Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1874: The Dangers of Red Meat, Building Lots of Muscle Over 50, Determining the Ideal Caloric Deficit for a Cut & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: August 6, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Here is an advanced technique that can almost help every person, progressive resistance with chains and bands. (2:44) When a hero comes along. (15:32) The things you notice about yourself once you have children. (17:59) Enjoying the phases of development. (24:47) This woman is a CHAMPION! (28:47) Busting the myth of overpopulation being a bad thing. (30:53) The shell game that is being played when it comes to our economy. (32:53) Planet of the Apes is happening! (36:11) Hershey’s brilliant strategy. (38:43) How Public Goods targets the environmentally conscious consumer. (42:38) Like wine, drink your Zbioitics first! (44:11) The history of the super-soaker. (48:37) BB guns have come a LONG way! (54:07) #ListenerLive question #1 - Is eating too much red meat bad for you, and why does it get so much hate? (56:30) #ListenerLive question #2 - How much should I start to cut to be effective without destroying my metabolism? (1:05:24) #ListenerLive question #3 - Should I be lifting more moderately heavy and keep relatively the same weight throughout the phases of MAPS Anabolic?  What do you recommend, being over 50, would be most effective to continue to see more muscle gains? (1:13:59) #ListenerLive question #4 - What is the best strength-based training program to follow for rowers? (1:30:45) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Public Goods for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Receive $15 off your first Public Goods order with NO MINIMUM purchase** Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! August Special: TOP SELLING PROGRAMS COMBINED FOR ONLY $99.99! Rubberbanditz Resistance Band Set Pizza Delivery Man Heroically Saves 5 Children from Burning House GoFundMe for Indiana pizza man who saved 5 from burning home raises stunning amount of cash Did You Know: One Woman, In Her Lifetime, Gave Birth to 69 Babies Have four or more babies in Hungary and you’ll pay no income tax for life, prime minister says Elon Musk blasts Wikipedia after it suspends edits of ‘recession’ page Japanese Officials Assassinate Leader of Baby-Stealing Monkey Gang Hershey warns of Halloween candy shortage | Reuters Hershey Brands Mind Pump #1682: Bacteria For Muscle Gain, Fat Loss & Health Lonnie Johnson Net Worth Mat Best Automatic BB Gun IG Post Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Seven Countries Study Most Dietary Guideline Advisors Have Ties to Food and Pharma Industries, Study Finds The Game Changers Review – A Scientific Analysis (Updated) Prime Bundle | MAPS Fitness Products MAPS Fitness Performance MAPS Symmetry Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Kelly Starrett (@thereadystate)  Instagram Mat Best (@mat_best_official)  Instagram Layne Norton, Ph.D. (@biolayne)  Instagram

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Again, this is all at mapsoggist.com. All right, here comes a show. Here's an advanced technique that actually can help almost anybody, it's progressive resistance. So you can use advanced techniques like chains to do this or you can use resistance bands. Believe it or not, adding resistance bands to your normal exercises produces something called

progressive resistance and the strength and muscle adaptations tend to accelerate when you do this. This is why all the bands, this is why all the bands are on the deadlift platform. That's all that. You know, so do you guys remember the first time you implemented this in your training and how it felt to you?

Yeah, for me it was, I don't remember what I was reading. I was reading something, I think it was a Westside Barbell Club and they used chains quite a bit in bands and they referred to quite a bit in bands and they referred to it as learning from the Soviets. So I went back and looked at studies and I said, this is weird because I always thought of bands as being like,

you know, second fiddle and kind of like, oh, this is nothing. And I remember adding bands to my deadlift and the feel I got from it was incredible. And my strength gains accelerated dramatically from using bands and chains. And now it's like a staple in my workout. Yeah, I remember I started off with like more fractional weights. And so it was just like one little like a quarter weight plate that I would put on there. And then like just

the magnet one incrementally. Yeah. And then you put those little yeah exactly. Those little like square magnets on the ends. And it was interesting to work out like that, but then once I got introduced to rubber bands and chains, and it was Westside Barbell, it did that. It was like, oh wow, I can work on these sticking points, especially with the squat too, where I was having difficulty in the hole there, but now adding rubber bands,

so it gets more difficult as you come up, was like game changers. The irony for me, that Westside Barbell was one that made it really popular, but it was introduced to me through sports performance. So I thought it was more of just an athletic tool. If you were trying to speed training, explosive training, and so I really didn't dabble with it till later. I didn't see the benefits of strength strength and muscle until a wait later.

Even though I know the West Side Barbell were the ones that really made that popular, but I was, what I saw it was like athletes that were using that. I totally disregarded it because, and this is bad on me, I didn't think about it. I saw it and just said, why would you add resistance with bands

when you can just add weights? And I didn't think too much about it. And then there was, this was probably, I want to say, 10 years ago, I started to think about it a little bit and I said, wait a minute, the band becomes more challenging the further it stretches out. So if I put it on a deadlift and let's say I have 200 pounds on the deadlift, at the bottom, it's not adding much resistance at all, you know, a few pounds. But as I pull up and the band stretches, the resistance gets heavier and heavier.

Now, why is this a good thing? Because in a deadlift, I become stronger the more I straighten out. I'm obviously the weakest of the bottom, strongest at the top. And so one of the challenges with traditional weights is that the resistance stays the same the whole time, but I'm stronger at the top.

What if I want more resistance to the top and less resistance to the bottom to match my strength curve? Well, that's what the bands provided. And once I threw them on, oh, it was a total game changer for me. Literally, I was at sticking points with my lifts and I saw them just blow through the roof because of it. Well, what you have to explain in regards to the strength curve, it literally takes an

exercise that maybe you've been doing for a decade of your life and changes it. Totally. Give me, you get used to that same strength curve because it emulates that with free weights. It's always going to be the same. No matter how much weight you put on or take off, like, no matter what kind of barbell you use, I mean, that strength curve looks the same to your point. It's really, really difficult. We're talking about a deadlift, really difficult to bottom.

It gets easier and easier as you get to the top. You simply flipping that on its head by putting like bands on there and actually the resistance gets harder as you get to top. It changes the exercise. It's almost like it's a new exercise. And so imagine training a certain way or a certain exercise for years and years and then someone all of a sudden introducing these tools to you, it's like them introducing you to a new exercise that you've never used before. It is. Let's be honest though. We got, we found that because chains are cool. I mean, that's, I'm thinking back, I'm like, oh, what, what are they doing over there? I was like, that looks so cool.

That's actually what I thought when I first saw chains. I thought it was just, oh, they're just trying to look cool for the camera. And so they're going to lift something other than weights, not because with chains it's the same thing, right? As you lift the chain off the ground, a link comes off the ground, so the weight becomes progressively heavier. Now I will say this,

and because you may look at chains in bands and think, oh, it's all progressive resistance, it's all the same. It's not chains feel very different than bands, and you can have a band tied at the bottom or a band assisted you at the top, which you think is the same because, oh, it's easier at the bottom, it's harder at the top, either if the bands are attached to the top or the bottom or a band assisted you at the top, which you think is the same because, oh, it's easier at the bottom, it's harder at the top,

either if the bands are attached to the top or the bottom. No, it still feels very different. So there's lots of different ways. Smoother for sure. Yes, and then here's another more advanced way of using bands. I think I did this with you Adam. You and I worked out once early days. Pulling away with the deadlift.

Yeah, I actually attached the bands at a slight angle, which made it so that the lockout was much more challenging than pulling away from the bands, and it changes the feel of the deadlift. Yeah, I actually attached the bands at a slight angle, which made it so that the lockout was much more challenging, I'm pulling away from the bands and it changes the feel of the deadlift. Then we took the bands off its side. You felt so strong. Well, I love that for the deadlift too, like for more acceleration.

So I can work on that, like, you know, decently heavy, but then that lockout part to really emphasize like driving that force and power in that lockout. Yeah, so I just did a deadlift workout today and I'm re-implementing dead lifts and I think I'm going to go for a PR at some point coming up. We'll see what happens if my ego ends up getting me injured or not. But anyway, we have this really cool rack. I've got the name of it where you could put, and we bought these really thick bands. I don't know if you

do this on purpose, Justin, but these bands are, it's, they're ridiculously tight. It's almost impossible. They're super hard. So I put a few of them on there at different stages, which is kind of cool. This rack allows me to put bands here, bands here, bands here. So as I'm lifting, the resistance jumps up the higher I get. And I had 315 in the bar, and I swore to go at the very end

when I had three stages of bands on it Felt at the top like 575. Yeah, so it's like 315 and then it get up up up up and then I'm like and it wants to rip the bar out of my hands But loading that way and here's the weird part. It doesn't seem to Cause as much damage on the body like I don't I recover Faster with a higher intensity with the bands than I would with the weights, for example. So it's a really interesting way of adding intensity without causing too much more recovery necessity. And you see really how much stronger you are in certain parts of the lift. It's just very obvious. Like you said, like you could increase that by like a hundred pounds, you know, midway through and

you're able to, you know, complete that exercise. But yes, I love working with them especially for all those sticking point reasons and to, you know, have the flexibility of moving the weight faster. Did you guys, did you guys speak in a band? Did you guys use bands first, first strength, progressive overloading, or did you guys use it for like distraction and like, corrective type stuff first? Corrective first. I thought that's what the value was. You know, that's interesting because I, I mean, assisted stuff like for, with clients,

I would use it for like dips and for, for pull ups, but in terms of like the demand distraction stuff, I probably came to that after the performance. So you were after performance? My experience with bands was, I thought it was, oh, if you don't have equipment, you could use this. And then it was, oh, this is good for rehab because physical therapists put off and use that. Kelly star at the dinner just like that.

And then when I grand opened the 24 fitness on San Teresa, the free weight machine area were under construction, but the cardio area was open. the 24-fitness on San Teresa, the free weight and machine area were under construction, but the cardio area was open. And so people were coming to work out and the trainers were like, well, how do we train people with resistance? And so, I'm like, well, let's use body weight and bands. And then I saw people working out with the bands

and these were clients that were beginner and intermediate advanced. And they started progressing really, really well. To the point where a lot of the trainers kept a lot of bands in their sessions, whereas at that point, you didn't see too much band training, but that was it, and then it was when I would read about

Westside Barbell and that stuff, and that's when I... Yeah, I'm trying to remember which one came first for me. I actually think I use band distraction for like, corrective stuff more than I use bands for like progressively overloading. I think I use that I've utilized that as a tool more than using it for strength. Did you guys use it the wrong way at first like I did with correction? Yeah, yeah. The very first time I did stuff like I would like when you for example opposite I did the opposite what I was supposed to do. Yeah, I remember that that was early early on. Yeah, because I

remember seeing that with I remember that being like like for example like somebody's knees collapsing in and then you were squeezing a basketball Why they were yeah, yeah, yeah I Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're making it worse. Oh, I had a client whose knee would trap was would like travel in yeah So I'd use the band to hold the leg out which just gave him more resistance I could have figured out what the same concept that's what you is exactly the thing the idea of the basketball was squeezing in. You're making, why is that confusing? So the trainers know that would be the opposite

would be extremely valuable. So if you had a client, let's say their left knee caves in when they do a squat or even a lunge, over time they lunge, you see it caves in, then actually taking a band and anchoring it to the right, right? So they'll say it's a left knee when I launch. So they have to actively push out. Yeah, so they have to actively push out

so the band doesn't cave them in. That's actually a really good exercise to train them to activate that glute mead that helps open up the hip right there. Very effective, very basic correctional exercise tool. And I apologize to all the clients that I did. I literally do the opposite. Oh, you're moving in, let's put this ball there

so that it won't get too hard. And I just made shit worse. So, so terrible. But anyway, I love the feel of them. And again, I feel like I must have done 10 sets. I just deadlifted for about an hour and 20 minutes with the bands and just moving them up and adding speed and stuff like that.

And it doesn't feel nearly as taxing on me as if I did it which is heavy. Less damage. Now what's your theory on the adaptation process? Do you think the body adapts to it really fast? And so it's a tool that you can only use for kind of a little while before you need to move along from it? Do you think that you can incorporate it and stick with it in your routine for an extended period of time?

Like, what's your thoughts on that? Like right now you're using bands. Yeah. Are you doing that one time to interrupt your training session? Or are you going to keep that in there routine? Once a week. Okay. Yeah, I'll do it once a week or once every other week is what I'm going to start doing. So like this is how long before you probably drop them. Well, okay, so this is personal. And what I mean by that is this is my own individual goal.

So this may be different to pay on the person, but I said to myself, because I went through a period of cutting because I did some photos for a program we're gonna release later on. And then I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna start eating a little more and then I saw my strength go up

and I said, you know what, the most I've ever pulled off the ground was 600 pounds. I'm 43, be great if I could do that again. Let's see how my body holds up. So I'm trying, I'm kind of like slowly moving that way. And so at the beginning of the week, I pulled, I was doing singles with like 5, 20, 5, 30, which felt like I had another 20, 30 pounds,

so it was a good workout weight. So that was Monday, so today's Friday, so I'm not gonna go put five plates on the bar and go heavy again, so I put 3, 15, use bands to practice speed and whatever. So I'll probably keep something similar like go heavy again. So I put three, 15, use bands to practice speed and whatever. So I'll probably keep something similar like that, depending on how I feel.

So I would do it for like four week block consistently every week, and then I'd actually wanna drop them completely and see how that translates into my regular training. See if I got something out of it. Yeah, I tend to do, yeah, similar, but usually I got two week. And I used it as like a transition into like another adaptation I was going to like go in a different phase and attack something else.

So, especially if I was doing like, you know, just more powerlifting, more like compound lifts and I'm trying to like press, you know, closer to PR and max range and then, you know, and then shift right before I like, like, I get to my max, I'll shift and do bands and chain work for two weeks, and then I'll kind of start over and do something else. Yeah, and I will say this, just for me, I enjoy the bodybuilding style of training, the hypertrophy, the pump, the feel. I also enjoy the strength and the way that that feels,

but it's the strength stuff that I enjoy the most. Like when I do this, it's just so much more fun for me. And it makes me sad because that's the one that I'm gonna have to do less and less as I get older. Because I can't keep pushing weight as I get older. It's just not smart. The risk versus reward at this point. Doesn't make any more sense.

But like today, I did this work out. It's just, it's the most fun. It's the most, it's like when I do that and I feel that and I feel the low reps and I feel the weight feels on my, I could care less about the pump in comparison, but I don't know, it's one of those things. It's kind of sucks. Did you guys see that?

Did I send you guys the video of the 27 year old man? It's okay, brought me to tears actually. It was actually, you don't see this very often. This 27 year old dude was driving home and saw, this is true, saw a house on fire. Oh yeah. Okay, yeah. Pulse over.

Pulse over, it gives me the chills. Pulse over, because there's no one there. And I'll pull up these, no one's a delivery guy, right? Nothing else, like there was no one there helping, right? Or so he pulls over, and he hears kids in the house. He runs in the house and saves each of these kids. Now, at the very, so after, I think he saved, it was like six or eight, it was like four or five kids, right?

Gets to the, where are the parents, what's four or five kids? I don't know what the whole story is. In a burning house? In a burning, I don't know what the whole story is, okay? But there's video of this, because at the end, there's someone recording and then the fire department gets there

and you see them running out. That's the part that made me that brought me to tears. I have children, so it's just, if this guy saved my kid, I'm gonna tell you right now, I would take care of this guy for the rest of his life. I'm gonna say something. Oh, so he runs and saves each kid. Obviously, house is just burst into flames.

It's getting worse and worse. He gets like the third kid out, I think it was, because then they're like the baby, the baby's in there. And he says, and this was the story, you're cooperated by people who are there. It was pitch black smoke, takes his shirt, wraps around his head. So he's blind, can't see anything. He's feeling around, going by the cries, grabs this baby, runs out, and this is when they catch my video. And you see this guy running out, and you can tell he's baby, runs out, and this is when they catch my video.

And you see this guy running out, and you can tell he's about to pass out, hands the baby over to a firefighter, collapses on the ground, and he's fucked. You can tell he's fucked. They got to take him to the hospital because he ingested so much smoke, and so he's been recovering there for days.

And there was a go fund me for him, which is raised something like half a million dollars, or something like that, because you see this, he's a 27 year old kid. He walks out, and he walks out, and he was a go fund me for him, which is raised something like half a million dollars or something like that because you see this, 27 year old kid, he walks out and he was here. He's hard to know to wrap the shirt around his head. I mean, I wouldn't even think, I would just like try and run and save him, probably pass out, die myself.

I wouldn't even have the awareness to even think about that. But the part that brought me to, like almost brought me to, it's the first time you see him running out and you see the kid. And so like as a father, oh please God, hope this kid, and you the kid was okay. But then you see him running out and you see the kid and so like as a father, oh please God, hope this kid, and you the kid was okay. But then you hear him as he's like on the ground, catching his breath and you can tell he's messed up.

He's like, you can hear him and he's like, I hope the baby's okay, I hope the baby makes it or whatever, that's all you can care about. Yeah, like man, we need more. We need more people like that. It's crazy you bring up that story. So I told you guys that I was talking to Brett on the drive to work today.

So Brett works on our marketing side, right? And he's about to have a baby. He's having a baby. It's gonna be his first baby, right? And in about three or four months, I think the babies do. And so I was asking him some questions. Like, does it feel real yet?

This and that. And he's just like, you know, honestly, a lot of my life hasn't changed yet. And I was the same way I said until, it doesn't really change till it happens. And then he was asking me, well, what things have you noticed about yourself that is like really different like as soon as the kid I saw?

You know what's funny? I said, there was two big things that I noticed. One, I got really weird financially. Like also, and I became like this miser. Like I was never, I'm in a place where I have more financial freedom today than I did, you know, say five, six years ago, but yet, unknowledge and I'm tighter with my finances than I have ever been. And I think that has a lot to do with just having the family

and stuff. And so then the other one was the one I shared on the podcast a long time ago. Remember when I told you guys when Max was new, and I was watching that, that Netflix show, the Medieval one. Oh, yeah. We're the, we're the, the, the, the, the King comes in. It's like part of the, the, the King comes in and takes all the first born sons. You know, and I remember getting all like teary eyed and like I was clenching up, like Max was sleeping on me. I was all by myself, like Katrina was out at a concert that night, it was my first night alone with Max. And we were watching, you sleeping on my chest

and I'm watching this, I was getting all emotional. I was like, that would have never have happened to me before. I said, those are two big ones that I remember that totally changed. Yeah, for me, and this I had this experience obviously with my first born and with each one, because I got three now, I got a fourth one on the way with each one, it's becoming different. This particular thing I'm going to say, but when my first born, when, you know, he was obviously in his mom's womb, it was, and I don't realize this, but it was just this

abstract idea for me, because as a dad, and if you're a new dad or you're gonna become a dad, this is really interesting for men, I don't think women experienced this, but it was just this abstract idea. Like, yeah, I know there's a baby in there. You know, I can feel it kick sometimes, but mom's connected. Like mom already has a relationship with this baby. It's not really real yet. No, she feels them, she feels them moving,

she's got all this stuff happening. You know, if the baby's not moving, she's worried, like she's connected to this human. As dad, I see it, but it's this weird, you know, and I'm like, yeah, I'm so excited, but whatever, soon as he came out, it hit me like someone took a break and threw it in my face. I remember like he came, comes out,

and it was like, kaku, like, there was a baby. Like this is real. It was such a weird experience for me. Now each successive one, I get that connection faster and faster because I know what to expect. But I remember that first one, it hit me like. Now do you attribute that to, because now this is gonna be for you and so it's each time or do you attribute that more just to being kind of older and more

in tune like that? Because I wonder the same thing too. Like, you know, with the next one or the next one, would I be more, more connected earlier and earlier? Or are you just at that part in your life? Like, I don't know what some of the things you did with your first two kids versus what you did now for baby three and four, like as far as when the baby was in the womb,

like, I mean, I was like reading the max when he was still in her belly, doing things like that and very, and very cognizant that there was a baby there and talking to him and remember where, maybe if I was 25, I wouldn't be doing some of those things. That's a good question.

I don't know. I have to say, it's probably both, but it's the, I had no idea is what it is. It's like you don't know what you don't know. So you remember before you had Max, how Justin and I would say, and even Doug would say things like, oh, you'll know, it's hard for you to understand

kind of what it feels like, but wait until you have one. Like that's what I mean, you ever talked to somebody without kids? Yeah, of course. It's just, you don't, and it's not bad or good. It's just, you have no idea of what that's, it's like trying to explain. It's magnitude of it.

Yeah, it's like if you've never had vision before. So you've never had vision before, and you're trying to explain to somebody what it's like to perceive things through visions. It's very hard to understand, because you've never experienced it. You know, that's another thing that I didn't tell my cousin that I think that was new for me was this was the first time time and the first time in my life I ever felt I truly love something more than myself.

Even Katrina be my partner as much as I love her and would take a bullet for her and do anything for her, it was different with Max. Having your kid took that to a whole new level and I think you actually talked about selling it grows. Isn't that weird? Yeah, from the minute it comes out, it is like you feel that feeling of like... And I think that had protection. I also think that had to do with like the whole finance thing.

The whole possibility. Why I got emotional about that is because like now like my mind is not on myself. It's 100% on him and thinking about him, which is why all sudden a sudden those weird feelings and decisions are happening and it does. It grows as the time goes on. Yeah, that's the part that it continues to grow. And then I remember having this thought

with having multiple was after I had my son, and then we were gonna have another one. I thought, I almost felt a little worried, am I gonna love this one? Like I love my son? How's that gonna work? Like what if I don't? what if I don't love her? Like, I love my son.

But what happens is it doesn't divide, it just grows. Yeah. And each time it grows. So I know Jessica's even talking about that with the second one for her. She's like, what if I don't love this one? Like, I love Aralius, I'm like, no, no, no, honey. Just wait.

Just wait, just wait. I remember we had a moment and we were driving, and this is when Courtney was pregnant with Everett, and we were driving with Ethan, He was in the back seat and he had just been like talking a lot and like learning ABCs and all this stuff and he just started singing a song and like we had that same thing. I really love this other kid as much. It was just like, oh, like broke us down because it was just like, you know, you had this like new bond that you just made with this kid already and then like, you know, you had this like new bond that you just made with this kid already.

And then like, you know, you don't know if like it's gonna take you away from that feeling or something and you're not gonna give the same. It was a trip though, it was just like, ah. The part that never gets old or hasn't got no for me and it's always shocking and surprising is the little, like, growth spurt and intelligence

and personality. Like right now, Aralius is just randomly saying words at a nowhere. Like the other day, like, what were we doing? He's got this, okay, so we actually, we got them for you guys. Do you know those, they look like big cards, but they're kind of smooth and you can use a dry erase marker on them. The ones that Max had in Cobbott, where you can like, circle objects and it's pretty cool, right?

So Jessica loved them, so we bought them for a rail use. And there's different pictures, and so they have to find like, where's the apple, where's the whatever? It's almost like where was Waldo, but it's made for little ones. Anyway, he's like, he's pointing and he goes, cake, like, you know how to say cake?

Tea, I'm like, where's this coming from? Whale, like where he's saying all of a sudden, all these different words, like what the hell's- Now, do you guys, I was asking my aunt and uncle are in town and they're watching Max right now because Katrina's out of town, so they're watching them while I'm at work. And they raised six kids, right?

So, and they have tons of grandkids. Each one of their kids have either four or five kids, so they have like, Tom. Oh, I know the same. Yeah, I should have called. So, they're with them, and so obviously, they've been around a lot of kids. And I was asking my aunt last time, like, what's your favorite age, like that of raising

the kids at? And Max was puzzling in front of us and so that. She's like, oh, probably this phase, this phase, the six, so three to six range. I say that four to six is like what I think is the coolest time because to me, that's when that cognitive switch comes on. Like right now, a rail use and Max are kind of starting to piece the words. Max is now putting like three words together. He's like, he's just coming up on that new phase where he's soon going to be asking me why

everything. Why daddy? Why this? Why that? And then that that switch where they're trying to piece everything together. I love that. Yeah, just wait till they become teenagers. It's really cool because they then you start to get, have deep discussions. You know, with little kids, you can't really have

a deep discussion. But now I'm having discussions with my oldest and he'll challenge me or he'll come up with a concept or an idea and it's cool to hear because I remember when I was his age when I would think certain ways or whatever. So now it's like, oh, this is really cool. But then teenagers also, you know,

they can get, and I was the same way. Like, you've learned a lot, but you don't have any wisdom, but you still think you have. So you have the greatest range out of all of us. And of course, and I know everybody says that every phase presents, you know, things that are awesome that you like better. I know if it's just, but if you had to pick a, you know, two or three year block of their lives so far, like what has been your- That's so hard, dude, because you know what it is, for me at least, is when the phase is gone, I miss it. That keeps happening. So like if I think like, oh man, you know,

12 years, because my daughter's 12, about 13. I, oh, I missed that when my oldest was that age, you know? And then Aralius is, you know, he's gonna turn two in a few months and I'm like, man, I remember when he was one, you know, or my cousin has an infant. Oh, I remember that. So I always miss what's gone and I don't know how to, I don't know,

it makes me want to be more present, but it's like that's always gonna happen. Like stupid Facebook with their constant, like, you know, hey, remember this post seven years ago, and I see my kids when they were little, and it's like, fucks me up every time. Yeah, I kind of feel like I get that because there's definitely parts,

like one of the things that is awesome about the first six months to a year is the sleeping on your chest all the time. Yeah, like that's cool, right? That was, I remember I had maxed during football season, and so I got to watch football all day on Sunday, and literally he would just sleep feed. Just cuddle with all day long.

And that was a very good cheer phase. But that being, and yeah, and I love that too. Like, you know what's funny? They tell you guys this, I don't know if I talked about this on an air day that I still every once in a while will go in and get Max into all rock him in the chair. These legs are like dragging bodies. He's like, that is he's sleeping?

I'm trying to pull it off. For a short while. So like, everyone's so, because I do miss that face too, Jessica, I used to rock him to sleep forever. And I don't put him down as consistent Katrina normally does. Every once in a while dad comes in and puts him down and they'll be like, you want me to hold you? Yeah.

You'll say, yeah. And then I'll pick him up. He's like, him rocking him legs are all hanging down here. And he's like trying to get comfortable. And so I'll rock him for about maybe, I don't know, five, 10 minutes. And then eventually I could tell he's uncomfortable. I'll be like, you want to get back in your bed, rocking for about maybe, I don't know, five, 10 minutes, and then eventually I can tell he's uncomfortable.

I'll be like, you want to get back in your bed, you'll be like, yeah, daddy. And so then he'll walk him back to his bed. He's just waiting. I totally do that. You know what's plenty, I saw him a touchy-feely person. Kind of like, I know you are too, Adam. I'll grab my mom and teaser, and then I'll sit on the couch and have her sit on my lap. And I'll hold her, you know, squeeze her.

She complains, but she likes it too. So it's a good time. What's that book? There's that book where the little kid is growing up and mom is holding him and taking care of him and at the end of the book, mom's old and the- Giving him a tree, right? No, I don't know.

I give a good tree's with a tree. He keeps taking from the tree. Yeah, that one concept. It messes me up. I hate that book. And then he's mom's old and he's like putting her to bed. Like, oh, come on, man. I gotta remind me before bedtime. Hey, speaking of kids,, man. Yeah, I really need to be before bedtime.

Hey, speaking of kids, do you guys, and I just read this the other day, do you know what the record is for how the most kids a single woman ever had? Oh, I don't know this. A single woman. So one woman throughout history. Throughout, well, recorded history, what we know has to be like one woman. Like one woman, okay, so you say 20 something. What do you think, Justin?

I don't know, like, yeah, I'll just say 30 to top out. 69. What? A woman had 69. Had to have multiple. Six, yes, triplets and stuff. She had, she would, she would kept having twins and triplets and then, wow.

One woman had 69 children. Her poor vagina. Oh, either that or it's the strongest vagina of all time. Wow. I don't know how you mean, and by the way, this was a long time ago. This wasn't like, I gotta pull it up. It's not like, you know, you get C-sections

left and right or whatever. Here. Oh, dude. Oh yeah, check this out. Oh, a champion, that's so many kids. The greatest officially recorded number of children born to one mother 69 to the wife of Fyodor Vesiliyov a peasant from Russia in 27 confinements she gave birth to 16 pairs of twins

seven sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets Whoa, yes, you ever have one child. I don't know, but I'm looking at a picture of her and all her children Yeah, she ever have one child. I don't know, but I'm looking at a picture of her and all her children She created a arm. What year was this? 1707 to 1782. Yeah, cuz I mean this was all natural birth. Yes, natural cuz I was gonna say like in vitro a lot of times Isn't it happened where you get like twins? No, this was this was a way before that. Yeah, dude, and they were all Vaginal deliveries wouldn't anomaly. Yeah, it's crazy Wow, I mean, how okay? So, does it say at what age she stopped,

she had to have been having kids pretty late too. I mean, she had to, right? I think at, I mean, at some point, she must have gotten so good at it that she was just like, oh, baby's coming. Boop. Here's the baby. I mean, at that point, you pretty much live your entire life.

So, I always pregnant always Hey speaking of kids did you guys know that in hungry the country of hungry? They passed a law a few years ago Where if if you had four kids you no longer pay the income tax? What yeah to promote where if you had four kids, you no longer paid in contacts. What? Yeah. To promote people having more kids. Yeah, I want to. This is actually a good topic because there's this myth out there that the world is overpopulated

that we shouldn't have more kids. This is total bullshit. By the way, you could fit every human on earth in Texas and it would have the same population density of like a normal city. It's only in like, you know, metropolitan like big cities where you see like this like crazy amount of condensed people on one place. But it's, if you look at the map and like how much space we have, it's insane how much space we have. It's not just space, it's resources. For example, oil, which is a very important resource, still, we thought we would run out of it or hit peak oil in the 1970s, but because people

are innovative, found new ways to get more oil, we have more oil available today than we did back then, even if you do it per capita. So resources, innovation, whatever. And this is why countries, so this is how you know that this is propaganda baloney. When they say, we need to like stop having kids or whatever, this is how you know it's full of crap. If this were true, you wouldn't have countries like Italy, Japan, Hungary, China.

This is a big problem in China now, because they're one child, I'm gonna say they still one child only. No, they stopped it and now they're screwed because now they're looking ahead and they're like, oh my god, this is going to be a problem. And this didn't I did I read somewhere like by 2040 or 2030 like the population will be cut in half or something 21 2100 I think. Oh, 2100. Yeah, it'll be cut in half almost 100 years. Um, yeah, so no, we need more people for innovation. We need more people to pay into systems that take care of older people. Uh, it's, this is, it's not a bad thing. I'm sure at some point there's, we need more people to pay into systems that take care of older people.

It's not a bad thing. I'm sure at some point, we're gonna hit where we have too many, but we're not, no, we're close to that. So, we're so much of our, I mean, we rely on our consistent growth in our GDP in order for everything to work. Like, look out, look how we're freaking out right now

because you have two quarters of negative GDP. Like, imagine if the topic, it's not a recession though anymore, Adam. Yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone we're freaking out right now because you have two quarters of negative GDP. Like imagine if the pot session, though, anymore, I don't know. Yeah, because we had to identify as one. Did I hear that they changed it and then Wikipedia, I heard you say that they locked it out? They changed it. Recession is always meant two quarters of contraction, so negative GDP growth, which we have. The White House comes out, changes the definition. It's on the White House website, and then Wikipedia changed the definition and locked it so nobody could edit it out. So, very convenient how these things start

just changing definitions of sudden. Yeah. That's happening across the board for a lot of years. Did you listen to the newest all-in podcast? I did. What did they say about it? That's what they said. They said it's a joke. They said we're in recession, 100%.

I mean, I would, how dangerous why not be honest about it? By not telling everybody. Oh, the reason why it's a joke. It said we're in recession, 100%. I mean, I would, how dangerous why not be honest about it? By not telling everybody. Oh, the reason why it's dangerous is because then the Fed Chair comes out and basically, you know, they raised interest rates but then pote paints a rosy picture. So this means that investors now are, are, you know, they,

because they base it off of what they say too, right? And the, and the way that they say it. So investors are like, oh, green light again. Yeah, I guess they're not gonna keep raising rates. Remember in the night in night, I don't know, I was in 1984, I wanna say? No, before that, vulgar, the chair of the Fed back then, we had inflation like we do now.

They raised interest rates, I was like in double digits. That was the 70s, wasn't it? No, it was early 80s. Oh, those late 70s. And 70s is when the inflation was bad, right? under Carter. So what they did is they crushed inflation. We went in a really bad recession that lasted a year, but then the following year we had explosive growth because, you know, the markets became more accurate and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. So, but and right now, they're afraid of going up to like, you know, 4%, 5%. I mean, I think they hit like 15, 16,

17% back then to crush inflation. So, well, now what I'm curious about because I've heard that if you actually calculated inflation the same way you calculate inflation, then, or double digit, yeah, they did that too. They played a little shell game too with how you calculated. They changed it. Like, they pulled, there's certain things that are not included in when they, when they factor in like fuel is not in the gas and, gases and food aren't even in there. Like how was that and not in there? When that's what's, what most people are feeling right now.

Yeah. Most people are going to the grocery store, are going to the gas station, and this is where they feel it. Maybe Doug, you can find when they changed how they calculated inflation, because fuel and food used to be in there, and then they took them out to, obviously,

this is all, again, it's a shell game, right? It's like, how can we change the numbers to make people feel a particular way because yeah if you add those in we're in double digit inflation I think like was it like 15 16% if you throw those in yeah I know it's really weird that's yeah maybe Doug what does it say there about when we changed I don't see the date that we change that but it's definitely not included food and energy sectors are not in control. Yeah, no, I know it's not because they say it's too volatile. That's so stupid. Maybe you could put, when did they change, when did they change, how they calculate inflation? Because I want to see, oh, there you go. Look, it's one of the top searches.

1983. Yeah, because why? Yeah, because it's one of the top searches. 1983. Okay. Yeah, because why? Because that's when there was huge inflation. You step after the 70s. Speaking of kids, you wanna hear something? I thought this was a fake story. This is your third speaking of kids. You got a lot of kids stuff. I know, it all worked out for kids, kids, kids.

It all worked out together. This has got to be the craziest thing I've ever read. And it's, because I said, this is not real. Oh no, it's real. Jackie sent something over that I wanted to talk about too. I thought it was really interesting. Okay, check this is not real. Oh, no, it's real. Jackie sent something over that I wanted to talk about too. I thought was really. Okay, check this out. Ready for this? Yeah, it's here. Okay. First of all, I read the title of this and it's this is a real thing. So the title of the article is Japanese officials assassinate the leader of a baby stealing monkey gang. Oh, what? What? It's a good baby

stealing like they were like... Japanese officials assassinate a leader of a baby stealing monkey gang. When I first read that I thought that there was a gang of people stealing baby monkeys. No, it's a gang of monkeys. Okay, because I seen a clip before of this, in the video, they said that they were having this issue

where they had like a monkey that they thought like somebody was sending the monkey out to grab and snatch kids and they're thinking it was a sex trafficking thing. Okay, so check this out. It was like really disturbing. So for the past several weeks, the Southern Japanese city of Yamaguchi has been under siege by a gang of wild macaques.

You love saying that. I know that. You can't watch out wild macaques. You love sin. I know that. You can't watch out for macaques. Hey, by a gang of wild macaques, hell bent on stealing babies and attacking women and the elderly. The troop of marauding snow monkeys has evaded capture while terrorizing residents. The planet of the Hitches is happening, you guys.

Oh, dude. And while terrorizing residents, and as this far responsible for over 50 violent incidents that include break ins and assaults and homes Schools and even a kindergarten pro most notably what is going on with with this behavior This most notably however have been the numerous attempts at kidnapping small children What so you know what the frick it you know what they did they went and assassinated the leader of the gang of this set, of this Mococ King. Wow. Dude, this is crazy.

How big are these monkeys? Isn't that it? He said, wasn't that in a movie where they had like a pet monkey that was like a thief and he would send it. Yeah. Right? That's in a movie. Oh, that's in the end of Jones. No, not the culprit.

It's in the end of Jones, dude. Raise the lost star. There's another, I guess maybe they've done it multiple times and it says, you're right, Aladdin did it. So Justin, you were wondering how big McCawx are I was McCawx are are normal size monkeys but they're monkeys bro monkey's a strong shit I guess that's okay I was hoping they're huge did you see the one okay yeah do you change the subject yeah Doug can you you pull up Hershey's ticker?

I wanna see what their stock is. I wanna see what your stock is right now. I might have a little prediction for you. Where are we going here? Yeah, yeah. Well, did you see the article that Jacky sent over? I think this is- Is it looking like a candy shortage?

Yes. So Hershey's came out with an article saying that they are preparing for a huge shortage come Halloween and Christmas, which is when they have the biggest spike in sales for chocolate bars and candy and all the other candies that they make at home. Because where's the short, like what ingredients?

I don't know what exact what ingredients to make certain candy, but a lot of their different popular. It's up. Oh, look at that. Wow. Look at that. Watch it continue to run too. Because of course, okay, think about this.

Never with the price. Never with the toilet paper shortage. Yeah. So imagine how brilliant. I kind of feel like this is like brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's a little early to be talking about Halloween. Candy. Don't you think? Yeah. I mean, we got a few months before you're going to be buying Halloween and Christmas. What ingredient is it that they're lacking? I don't know what exactly. I don't know what the exact maybe you can look it up. Listen, listen., okay, not many things will get Americans up in arms, but a candy shortage.

That's a civil war. That's it. That's where I go. I'm going to look up the article because I want to see what it is that people that they're saying is going to cause this shortage. It's a, yeah, it's there's an ingredient in ingredient or multiple ingredients in making a Hershey chocolate bars and I think Jolly Ranchers and some other ones. I'm not even a fan of that. I mean, wasn't it just grains specifically that we're worried about? That's more than that, dude. It's more than that.

It's not just, that's the main one I think that everybody's concerned about, but there's more than that that there's shortages here. Oh, yeah, I'm pulling it up right now. But I mean, Hershey's owns a lot of candies. They're not just, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hershey chocolate bar right away, that's it, but they have a bunch of different brands underneath their brand. It's the case supplies of cocoa edible oil and other food ingredients

So that's what's happening. Well, I tell you what man Renata candy Americans gonna be pissed. I mean gas goes up. Everybody's up right now No candy. I think it's goodbye. I think it's a good buy. It's gonna be a good buy till the end of the year So watch it watch it go on a run. Holy cow. Yeah, so they'll probably, they'll probably increase prices and then people will still go buy it all out of stock. Stack in Hershey bars. You will freak out. Not have a candy on Halloween. So we'll start. I guess. I'm even my favorite candy. I could care. Like, are you guys chocolate found out? Well, what would it be? How many brands? Sorry, Doug, I'm gonna put you work here. How many brands

are underneath Hershey? There are, that's a big company. They're not just hurt. It's not, it's not just chocolate. Listen, if I can't get candy corner for Halloween, is Reese's attached to I know I think I'm pretty sure Hershey owns Reese's. I think I don't know that. Just got word in fact. More than 90 brands, bro. That's the only thing I can do. Your favorite candy is probably under Hershey.

Look, it look up. What do we got? What do we got? I'm all about candy corn on Halloween. You like all the weird stuff right now? You know that there's two Hershey factories in the United States That's it one of them used to be in my hometown One is it this one once in Pennsylvania one's an Oakdale Oakdale and then they closed down the Oakdale one but when it used to rain in Oakdale the whole town would smell like chocolate

I'm serious. It was a coolest. It was like one of the coolest thing that I think this this little shit whole town out of the middle nowhere We had the Hershey plant there and so anytime it like rained the whole town would smell like a chocolate candy stick in your face Sorry Justin Reese's is part of the group. It is Yeah, dude, you're gonna have to make your own Jolly ranchers twizzlers who likes to get a bunker. Yeah, Twizzlers are still a thing Twizzlers are gross They're not even they're not even licorice. Did you see the meme I posted about it? I posted a meme in the previous? I posted a meme about it.

Red vines way better. Red vines way better. In the twizzlers. Yeah, I don't understand. Twizzlers taste like plastic. Yeah. No. If you ask me, well, they got a lot of different

chemistry than that. Artificial butter plastic. Under their, oh, I didn't know they do skinny pop too, huh? That's got really pop. I heard it's booty. Don't say that out loud, Adam. Skinny pop. Who cares?

Popcorn. Yeah. Who eats popcorn instead of candy. You know, since we're on this... You imagine handing out popcorn to kids at Halloween? That's a great way to get your house a- No, I just didn't know they own that brand. That's a really popular brand right now. You know, I'm gonna stay on the kids' theme

because we have a commercial today for public goods. And we're the other day we're talking about Max and it really is incorporating them and helping out. So, I mean, almost all of our products now in the house are pretty close to being all public goods now. And we have all, and then we have a storage where we have all the refillable stuff or whatever.

And that's one of his new favorite things to do is to go around the house and fill all the soap bottles and the lotion. So that and so Katrina, let's them carry it. You know, we talk a lot about chemicals that could be potential endocrine disruptors, zenoestriges and stuff like that. Those are a lot of the chemicals

that public goods tries to watch out for and prevent from being in their products. Yeah. So if you're, cause it could be really overwhelming. If you're like, okay, what chemicals could potentially affect my hormone system and what combinations or whatever?

Public goods provides lots of these products and they make, that's one of their targets is we don't sell products that have a lot of these known chemicals that can cause hormone disruptions and stuff like that, along with the fact that they're environmentally conscious, very environmentally conscious. Well, and they're direct to consumer. And so I give you byproducts like public goods,

because it's not like they're the only product that does this stuff. You're the price you're paying. Like you go to Whole Foods and you will get their dish soap, you get those things that I have. Chemical free or you're paying so much more than like your normal soap or lotion or things like that, where my lotion and soap hands soap,

all those things are actually cheaper through public goods and it's a better product than like your basic Safeway brands, to have. I gotta tell you guys, I don't even tell you guys, speaking of our sponsors, I have, I gotta DM from someone whose family makes wine. So they make wine, they have a vineyard, but they've always had such a bad reaction to alcohol

that they can never really partake in, you know, the family events. And they own a winery. That sucks. Yeah, you know. And they have a little bit, but in the DM, they're like, you know, if I drink a glass or more, I always feel so terrible the next day,

so I never was really able to enjoy. I heard you guys talk about zybotics, and I said, let me give this a try and see if this makes a difference. And it did. It did. They're like, you know, they're like, look, I'm not getting smashed. They're like, I'm just makes a difference. And it did. Wow. It did. They're like, look, I'm not getting smashed.

They're like, I'm just having a glass or two with my family now. But now I feel the next day, okay, I don't feel like I did before. Yeah, that's just cool, right? That is cool. Wine has been one of those where it's been always difficult for me because I think it's because

of the added additives and things that I guess like some wines have some of the cheaper wines. Because I've, like some lines have some of the cheaper lines, because I've always had, I think some of the cheaper lines and then I just got like introduced to some of the more expensive stuff, it's a good stuff and I didn't have the same reaction at all. But I mean Z-Biox of course that helps, overall with you feeling better than this.

The worst hangover I ever had in my entire life was one. Yeah, well that's what I mean. That always gave me the worst. I was, when I was, I used to do the sugar I think. well, that's what I mean. They had always gave me the worst. I was when I was that to the sugar, I think. Oh, I don't know what it is. Or if it could this dark cheap cheap wine is really, really high on sugar a lot of time. Oh, dude, I had that's a, that's a lot of like fillers and a lot of the current, a lot of the crash we feel. Aside from like, I know what the Zeebiotic pairs with in order to like eliminate that.

But a lot of the crash you feel is the spike in blood sugar. And then it's the dramatic crash. Doug, what if they add the wine here that they don't add and you're up soulfates? Soulfates. That can cause people to have a allergic immune reaction. That one got me a bit. Yeah.

No, I was in my 20s and my cousin and I, he had just broken up with his girlfriend. He was really sad. And we bought, went to the grocery store, you're in your 20s, you don't pay attention to like quality, you're just like, this is, this gets smashed. So I bought, you ever seen those jugs of wine,

they try to make them look old world, but they're in the grocery store. So it's like a jug. So him and I split a jug one night and just crushed it. And I had a hangover, that's the two days. I'd never felt a hangover back in my time. I believe it, it was the worst. Do you think, okay, so you've talked to the guys at Z-biotic,

and I don't know if you know the science behind this or not, but if you kind of regularly, like let's say you're somebody who kind of drinks occasionally, or maybe a couple of drinks on the weekend or what I like that, and you consistently use Z-biotic, is do you think there's a compounding effect that and a residual that stays in there so it continues to kind of help

Oh, that's a good question. I'm example like I actually noticed the other day I didn't have I remember I had a beer at work and that's like a total never happened. It's ever happened That was awkward. I think it was I think I think Andrew caught a clip of it or whatever But it's because Justin did that stupid commercial like I don't know two three weeks ago We've had those corona lights sitting in our refrigerator for a long time, and I was eating like a homemade burrito bowl, and I'm like, you know, it sounds really good right now? I've been drinking so much of that sevy,

and I'm like, I don't want that right now. I'm like, maybe I'll have that corona light. It sounds like Mexican. So it's like hard to resist, like whatever, yeah. So it went really good. But anyways, I did it have zbiotic, because we don't have any here right now. Thanks, Justin.

And I drank it, and actually felt totally fine, which normally sometimes even a single beer will make you feel it. So I wonder if there is, I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know how long the bacteria lives in your gut because what it does is the bacteria is in your gut and it produces compounds that break down

the acetaldehyde that doesn't make it to the liver. Yeah. So it prevents you getting all this acetaldehyde to ask about. Well, this is gonna launch like afterwards, but so today we're launching a commercial for Z-Botics on Instagram, and it's all about like the mind pump muo, so it's like the formula that I use for my recipe for yours. You know you ruined Moscow Mules for me.

I have yet to have a Moscow Mules. No, I need to have a Moscow Mule. Well, what I mean by that is I have yet to have a Moscow M No, I need to have a Moscow meal. Well, what I mean by that is I have yet to have a Moscow meal anywhere. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah, it's just that makes it with love. Yeah, that's what I know. Yeah, that's what get you to says like what food's like really good.

I made it with love. Well, you're a very specific way. Yeah, he does this thing with what is the leafs you put in there? Man, man, man. Okay, he takes the man and he's he claps his hand. He expressed the oil, man. I have no idea. I had no idea what you were doing.

I just thought it was a weird ritual. Like, let's just put some magic in there. Like Daniel Sutter. Or Rodic. He got you to get to mix meagi. Anyway, oh, go ahead. I was gonna say, so it was kind of a funny thing. I was reading about inventions and some childhood toys and things that people

have come up with. You remember the super-soaker, the coolest water gun of all time? Can we pause there for a second? Because people don't know this, we're not our age. The super-soaker revolutionized the water gun market. I remember the kid. No, it did. As a kid, you had two options. The water weeny, which was terrible. The water weeny was the only one that would give you a continual stream, right? But you had to hold this big ass.

He was like the hose before that, right? Yes, he had the juiciness. And then the other ones were just squirt, squirt, squirt. And that was it. And then the supersoaker came out and it was like having a machine gun against Musket. Actually, I would love to look that up. Doug, can you pull up how much money

the original Super Soaker made because you're right? That was like- The revolutionized water gun fights. It was insane, dude. It took over, it swept. So anyway, you wanna talk about the most overqualified person ever to invent this. I'll give you a guess as to what his profession was.

Was it an astrophysic? You're saying who invented the Super so you know, super so yeah. Was it an astrophysicist or something? He's very close. Really? Yeah, nuclear scientists, nuclear physicists. Really? Yeah.

Yeah, this guy Lonnie Johnson, I guess. Imagine going to school for that, probably working at NASA for real. Yeah. And then your big breakthroughs, you make the super soaker. Yeah. Oh, is this him? Is this him? Yes. Yes

300 million Fortune thanks to the invention of the Super Soaker Wow I got super early nine selling toy in the US in the early 90s and generated well over one billion in revenue Billion for a plastic toy. I need it. I mean, okay. We can't overspacing. He's done, he's a nuclear. Yeah, I know, so much. So you would be remembered for that, you know? Isn't that funny? How markets work?

Like he could have used his intelligence to like solve some like major problem. Yeah, right. In vents of water gun. I'll tell you what though, I can't overstate this. When I was a kid, it's still like this, right? Water gun fights were a big thing in my neighborhood. Summer time comes out.

Yeah, yeah. We're all blasting each other. We're getting water balloons. We're having a good time. When the super-soaker hit the scene, it was literally like, it would be like, it would be like you're an army and you're on horseback with muskets and then they show up with tanks and machine guns.

It was game over. And I remember the first kid with the super-soaker. You get destroyed. Oh, we're getting an asses kicked and I'm like, dad, we need to go buy one. I think I think as a kid, I think I got, for me, almost a decade of my life, it was like one of the toys I asked for almost every year,

because you know why? What they did was also brilliant, is they evolved it every year. Oh, it kept double super super great. Yeah, the double popper, then the backpack. You're almost like a suka. Yeah, dude, it just kept getting crazier and crazier. Like, I need that.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a g gotling gun. Yeah, the water weenie was cool because it was better than what else, whatever they had, but that thing got was. You know what, other one I remember, that we, so the water balloons that were like grenades. Yes. You remember those?

I had those. Oh, they look like grenades? Yeah, we go in the forest and like it was like all on assault. And I would actually, this is where I got into some trouble because I would actually like create like, booby traps and things like, dug like holes. And I would put part of the,

the forest has like a thick layer of like, you know, like foam leaves, whatever. And it creates this kind of thick brush. And so I could easily like put that on top of the hole. And I would have like these huge pits of like water balloons and whatever. And when the kids fell and I dug one really deep and he like heard him so. Oh, what was that? Like, what was I thinking? Oh, we all. Going back to your super, so I'm like super fascinated that somebody was able to invent some like this and make a run

that long made that much money, right? And it increases net worth. He had to have some sort of a patent on that. Because it would be on that because it would be such an easy thing to recreate a different brand. So he must have, yeah, but what can you patent with something like that? Probably the water pressure, like, yeah, the pump. So, okay, I'm going to have a theory. So there was a toy that used a similar technology before the supersoaker. It wasn't a water gun, though. And you guys already remember it as soon as they bring it up. Okay, first water gun patent was issued in 1986, another patent, okay. So what did he do?

And it could describe further. Air pressure instead of water pressure, that's part of it. Oh, okay. Was that the, it was the first one to use air pressure like that? Yeah, but I remember. The old school method was water pressure? Yeah, the old school, you'd have to pull the trigger every time you pull it.

This you pump air. And then that was it, right? So I, there was a chamber of air that you, there was a toy that used air pressure that is older than the supersoaker. It wasn't a water gun. Let's see if you guys can remember. It was a very common toy.

It was still the rocket. Yeah, right, right. Remember the rocket? I have, I love this. You pump them and you let go and it just, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I remember those. You ever fire those at your friends?

I mean, I bet you that's probably, that's what I wanted. I wonder if that's where he got it from, but that's, yeah, because now, I mean, you bought those guns, right? That are like a knockoff version of the brand. Yeah, now they, I wonder if the patent expired? Yeah, exactly.

Is it the patent's expired or the people found ways around the patent maybe by now? Because now you see all kinds of competitive products, but I mean, for someone to get away with a run for that long and you not make a competitive product, you had to have pretty tight and... What's the most powerful supersoaker now? What do they look like now?

I wanna see what that looks like, Doug, can we look that up? Yes, power. Like, I'm sure that's a bad battery. I'm not bad battery or CO2 loaded. CO2? Oh, CO2, yeah. Why wouldn't you think that, right? Like, you've seen all the CO2 BB guns and like, dude, did you see the new one Matt Best just

just, yeah, it's like fully automatic. What is it? Pull this up, Doug. Pull up, go to Matt Best Instagram. Sorry, we're like sending you all over the place right now. No, it's like an AR 15 kind of looking. Go to, go to Instagram, go to Matt Best and go to like maybe a post he just did about two days ago.

And yeah, yeah, that's him. Go down, watch this, you have to see the cell. There it is, right there. It's that first one actually. Play this for cell. And what is that? That's a fully automatic BB gun. Oh no!

The way T.C. like the... So I don't have one of those, but I have the hand... I'm black guys. Like the glocks, so I have like... I bet that's a big way. They've come a long way. How much do I bet you can't buy them in California? How much do you want to bet?

You can't buy that here. And it's a BB guy. And it's like not even in California. Watch him fire this thing right here. And it's a BB gun. Those are all like cancer everyone. Just watch the kids. No.

Can we get a bunch of those? I know, I'm so ready to get one of those. I want four. Yeah. I want all of us to have one. Yeah. Can we do that? Talk about like, you know, getting rid of my go for problem.

Yeah. You saw that already too. Yeah. Yeah. I saw it right away. Are they for sale? Or is it just he made it himself? No, no, no, he got the company.

He's not sponsored by the company. He says that in his video. It's just friends of theirs. Sent it to them and he pulled it out and it just displayed it. And it's well, hold on a second. If the company's watching right now and you'd like some free. You don't like this to talk about this. It's a wheel and deal here.

Send us some, don't say the name of the brand. We're fans. We all say yeah, but we will say if you send it to it, send us some fully automatic BB guns. We'll take those. Yeah. Hey real quick, there's a company we work with called Livon, Livon Labs, and they make some of the best supplements.

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I'm listening to y'all for about a year and a half now. My question was about the dangers of the red meat. So last year, I started eating myself a pound of red meat every day. And once I started doing that, everybody started telling me how terrible that was for me. But what I don't understand is that if one gram of red meat is more micronutrient dense than one gram of white meat and the fat content and red meat is better than white meat. Why is there so much hate on eating all this red meat? Where do you live Beverly Hills? Exactly. Good question. Actually, so there's two parts of this. First, let me address, is it bad

for you? Depends. Depends on the person. So, and I don't know the whole context. So, I would say depending on the individual, most people would be fine, but some people might have blood lipids that would look a little off or maybe get inflamed for meeting so much of one particular type of food. It's unlikely, but if you get your checkups done and your health is good and you feel good, you're totally fine. As far as why it gets all the hate, because it's politicized. Yeah, it was based on faulty science.

There was this saturated fat cholesterol model that was put out, I think it was a seven nation study that was put out and was accepted as dogma as to why there's heart disease, exploding in developed nations. We all know that that now was totally faulty. It doesn't really work that way. There's a lot more to the story

than just people eat a lot of fat, you know, type of deal. So because red meat tends to be higher in saturated fat and fat in general, everybody was like, oh, that's bad for you. So let's all eat the lean meat, which is like chicken breast and lean turkey meat. Don't eat the brown turkey meat. Eat the lean white turkey meat.

And you know when you eat eggs, eat just the egg whites and all that stuff. And so it was based off of faulty science. Really the most the danger of red meat occurs when you hunt the red meat. That's when it's dangerous. Other than that, you're probably okay. Or it's what you pair it with. That's really what it's up happening is the people that are eating high-reality. All right, you pair it with. That's really what it's up happening. It's the people that are eating high-reheated. I'm a meat. Sorry, go ahead. No, it's normally what they're pairing it with too. So if you're getting your red meat from McDonald's

because you're eating a large fry and a milkshake with it, that's where it gets bad. This is what I always times for those studies. They don't account for a lot of those other factors that sneak in there in terms of like what they combine their red meat with. But I'm sure there's some outliers out there don't do very well with red meat,

so I'm sure that exists. Yeah, that's it. Now, Justin and Adam are referring to as like the healthy buyer, healthy user bias, where because we've been told for so long that red meat is bad for us, that people who are health conscious now tend to avoid or a lot of people who are health conscious now tend to avoid red meat because we've been told for so long.

And so what happens is when you do a study and you don't have really good controls, you go, oh, look, people who eat less red meat tend to be healthier, but that's because these tend to be health conscious people. If I put out a message that writing a bike is bad for your health, and I do that for five decades, eventually healthy people are gonna avoid writing a bike, and then we're gonna have studies that show that, oh, people who don't write a bike tend to be healthier.

So you gotta be careful with that, but when you have all the controls put in place, it doesn't work out that way, not at all. Now, they're always outliers, there's outliers that'll have bad reactions to vegetables and fruit also. But for the most part, it's totally fine. And there's countless examples.

I mean, you want some anecdote. Like I eat a pound of red meat and eight to 10 eggs a day. And my cholesterol numbers are, I mean, what would be considered perfect based off of the, you know, the standards? But yeah, I wouldn't worry so much. Let me ask you this. Do you know what your blood work looks like?

Your triglycerides, your health markers and flammatory markers? Do you know any of that? I don't know. I know that next week. I'm gonna point in the next week. Okay. So I mean, if you get checked and everything looks okay

and you feel good, yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about red meat. Like I said, it was all based off of bullshit really yeah, and like Adam Adjusts and point about like what like all the studies always show it paired with That was you know to say process red meat or is like I'm not eating Like my ground beef not eating it with make Donald's fries and a darker pepper right yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You're not smoking a cigarette with it. Yeah. Yeah. And on people I have on a whole egg so much too.

I don't. I like these whole eggs and the quantity of people tell me. A lot too. Yeah. No, that's this. Where are these people? This is a dinosaur stuff. This is really, this is a big ship. That is hard to turn. You're looking at decades of messaging.

And I'm gonna bring this up on another episode, or maybe even this one when we record the front part of it, but there was a study that came out showing that the dietary guidelines of America, which is a council, who dictate our dietary guidelines and policy and a lot of regulations. 95% of the people on there had a significant conflicts of interest. So, and I'll tell you, if you follow the government's guidelines for health over the last four decades, you'd be sick and obese right now. So that's way more alarming to me. Yes, totally. So I,

I think you're fine, but you get your blood work. It checked every individual is different. So I can't make a definitive statement, but generally speaking, red meets one of the healthiest foods you could find on earth. Alright, thanks for calling in. My name is approved. You got it. Boy, that's so annoying to me, the messaging, I still know there's still people who are like, who are telling me that Margarine is healthier than butter.

Just reminds you, right? The information. telling me that Margarine is healthier than butter. Just reminds you, right? The information. Yeah, the information that's still out there that we heard decades ago is just like, it's still within the pop culture. Well, how many views, you know, how many views game changers got?

No idea. No, it went crazy viral. Oh, that documentary definitely made an impact. Yeah. It made a huge impact. I mean, I had family that I remember seeing not long after it released that all of a sudden were cutting out, you know, red meat out of their diet

completely and when I was like, what are you doing? Oh, did you see the game changer's document? Oh my God. Yeah, you know what's funny too, is that you'll get people like that who will cut out red meat and then they'll be like, I'm way healthier, look at my blood work and you're like, okay,

so here's what you did. You traded your higher caloric intake meat. So what you did is you cut your calories. It's just like when people are like, oh, I don't need any carbs. Look what happened. And you know, or I cut out. I introduced more fiber into my diet. Yeah. And therefore now my digestion feels better. Yes, because just eating lower calorie tends to improve things, regardless of what your diets made up. Lane did a really good, he wrote a paper and he did a whole video on like every point that game changer is made and just destroyed it.

Like he went, I think it was a long, it was literally a long, it's a long paper to read. But I mean, he went thorough. He went at every single point they tried to make in there and unpacked it for the audience. I thought it was probably one of the best papers and videos done on game changers for anybody who still believes that or thinks that the stuff they were promoting was true. What was it? What was the views? How viral did it go? It's supposedly one of the most watched documentaries of all time. What? What? Really? Yeah, you could argue that that's having one of the greatest impacts on that narrative right

now. Yeah, but you know what happens? This is propaganda. What happens is people switch because they've been scared to, right? So they watch that. Oh my God, I don't want to die. I want to be healthy. Then they switch.

And then within six months, the fail rate is like any other diet, and they go right back. So the only people that stick to it are the ones that really believe in the welfare of animals, don't want animals to be killed. But if that's not you, cutting out meat because it's healthier, it's not true.

It's false, that's not how it works. It's the only people who I think should cut it out. Yes. It really is. I mean, I totally support somebody who does that. That's fine. I got nothing wrong with it. Totally.

But otherwise, why the hell would you? It's like some of the best part of my diet. Delicious. I would miss it immediately. I know. And no more rib eyes than get the fuck out of you. And it's a fact. It's extremely nutrient dense,

and it's one of the last whole foods that Americans have in their diet. If you look at Americans diet, 70% is heavily processed foods. If you look at the 30% that's whole, it's usually meat, eggs, or milk. So you cut out meat, we're gonna replace that with more heavily processed foods.

That's it. Our next color is Aaron from Virginia. Aaron, what's happening? How can we help you? Good. How's it going guys? Good. Good. So my main question is I'm started to kind of try to fix my metabolism after several years of not really paying too

much attention to what I've been eating or how much just kind of working out as hard as I can, not track on protein or minimal track on protein. So I got started a little background on me. I got started with CrossFit, about 12 years ago. That kind of got me into a lot of the lifting, call lifting stuff like that, Olympics. And then I started on your maps program

with Annabolic about four years ago, enjoyed that, started running through pretty much most of your programs. I just finished up a couple months ago, aesthetic, and I actually enjoyed that one so much that I re-did. I'm starting, actually, I enjoyed Phase 1 so much, I just did it again, I'm just wrapping up with that. I definitely noticed a good deal of muscle building. I packed on quite a bit of weight for all my major lifts, you know, 10, 15 pounds for each of them over the, I did it for six weeks.

So, you know, I was pretty excited for that. I like this for the last question. What's that? That's a great commercial question. Thank you. Oh, yeah, gotcha. So for the last six or seven months, I really have been focusing on trying to rebuild my metabolism, as well as doing that crossfit.

I was working out two times a day, again, not even tracking, or probably not even close to what I was being needed to be eating. So I've been getting up to about between 25 and 26 hundred calories a day, 185 protein, 114 fat and 210 carbs. I'm usually low on carbs but that tend to get it kind of affects me a little more. I feel a little better with more fat my diet compared to the carbohydrates. In my off day, I do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu one to two times a week. Hey,

I just did a second play. One to two times a week for about an hour. And then I got some like pedal bells and bass clubs in my garage. I usually do Bip, Bip, Bip. That's so funny. Bip, Bip. Bip, Bip.

I want to hear from you say high real quick. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hey, let a master's question. Yeah, so I kind of do that just a little bit, not too much, just enough to get a little bit of a sweat and a pump. So my job on the firefighter, we're busy some days, some days we're not, you know, I can be walking three, four miles a day or some time, we're just sitting in our rooms all day

or doing trainings in a class. So my big question is, I feel like I'm pretty good with getting my calories dropped. I really haven't seen much weight gain, maybe fluctuating up on under two, since I've been eating, since I've been getting up to around 2600 calories. And I really want to know like the big question is how much should I start to cut? To be effective, but without like absolutely destroying my metabolism back to where it is which is like this is way too much for a candle this you know, you look at 500 calories, 700 calories, that's one big question. I don't want to kind of backtrack to where I was and just

um, so I'm uh five six, one, eight, eight, and I have this as of this morning. So. That's a great question. First off, it's not, you don't have a broken metabolism. It doesn't need to be fixed. It's actually doing what it's supposed to, which is adapting, okay?

So, broken metabolism would mean you're dead. Like, you can't thrive. But so you just want to get it to be a bit faster. You know, it depends on what the person's total calories are. That'll help, that'll tell me how large of a cut I'm comfortable with. He's at 26, 26. Yeah, I mean, I would say 500 is probably okay.

Although I'd like to see you maybe move up a little higher for your size. Okay, your size and as active as you are, I'd like to see you in the, you know, 3000 range before I were to cut you. Although you could, you know, about 500 maybe the most. I wouldn't bring it below lower than two to 2100 calories for cut. And you could try this. You could do a short cut, like five week, you know, five week cut at 2100 calories. And then slowly back, reverse back and try to get

up to 3000. Once you're at 3000, I think it'll be a good place to start your cut because then you might end up somewhere on 2,300 when you're, okay. Start to get to the leanness that you're looking for. But a lot of it depends when I'm answering this on the individual's total color can take their size. I don't ever like to bring women below,

and again, it depends, but I don't like to bring women below 1500 calories. I don't like to bring guys below 18-. I like to bring guys below 1800 calories usually. Unless that's going on stage and maybe you go a little more aggressive, but you have to have a good reverse diet afterwards. I don't even like to bring a guy lower than 2000, especially his size. Yeah. I mean, the other question I would have too that I think matters in this answer is,

how do you feel? I mean, do you feel like you're satisfied? Do you feel like you're stuffing yourself to get the 2600? Do you feel like you could eat more? Like, how do you feel? I, I feel stuffed. Okay. I really, good question.

So for about two years, I did a lot of intermedic fasting prior to this and I've been just kind of working on getting pre-prexist. Yeah, I'm so busy in the morning, you know, with work and stuff. I eat something like a can of salmon or something like a breakfast just to get something in me. With my macro, with the carbs I try to hit, it's a lot of fruit. It's about a cup and a half on cooked rice a day. At the end of each meal, like lunch and dinner, I'm just, you know, I'm so

full and bloated, so that's what I'm trying to. Okay. I feel like maybe if I try to go into a little bit of a cut, I might readjust my diet a little bit where I can start eating a little bit more, but I don't know. I'm just like at the end of the day, I'm just like, ugh, I don't want to look at food sometimes. Great question, Adam, because yeah, now it changes a little bit. Now I'm like, go for a cut. I think you're fine.

If you feel stuff, the other thing too is to try splitting up your meals. So instead of eating, you know, what you eat for lunch, maybe try cutting that up into two smaller meals. If it's convenient, if it works for you, I know you're a firefighter and I saw that you have a kid. So it might not be feasible for you. But that's another strategy. But if you feel full, 2600 calories, yeah, go for a cut. I go down to 21 or 21 hour calories, 2000

calories, and do that for a little while and then reverse back out. Okay. Cool. Appreciate it. Yeah. No problem. Hey, you said you've gone through all of our programs. Do you have maps prime or prime pro? Because I could see a lot of value in that for most people, but especially someone like yourself. Yeah, I try, I've got those two as the bundle and I probably spend 10 to 15 minutes either before going to the gym or at the priming, especially before like to do just doing stuff. I try to get there about 10 minutes early and I try to prime just about everything. Good man. All right. Good stuff, man. And thanks for saving lives, huh? Yeah. Appreciate it.

Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. I'm glad you asked that Adam because that made all the difference in the world. Yeah. I mean, well, that's the other factor, right? That is important because I could say here all day and say I would like you to be at 34 hundred calories. Or speeding himself.

Yeah. But if you're already feeling stuffed, I mean, that's like one of my favorite things to do, like when I'm trying to bulk or build muscle or speed my metabolism up is, I like to keep increasing calories and kind of pushing until I get to that point where I'm like, oh, just so much. And then I just naturally come back where I just go, okay. And it's easier.

Yeah, and then I just go, I'm gonna eat when I'm hungry, I'm gonna make sure I hit my protein and take, see where my calories land for a while. It'll probably naturally put me in a cut, run that for a while. Eventually, when you consistently run a cut for long enough, you start to get hungry again. And then when you start to get that feeling again,

where I'm like, oh, I'm hungry. Oh, I'm thinking about food. I'm dreaming about food. It's like, okay, let's go back to a bulk. Let me increase my calories again, and you kind of naturally go that well. Yeah, that's good because you can't take out the person's experience.

So we could say a number is great all we want, but if it results in them not feeling great, it doesn't matter because they're not going to be able to stick to it. So I'm so glad you asked that question. It completely changed what my advice would be. Yeah, I mean, because if he were to just ask me, I'd like I said, I would like you to be up

in the 3000 calories, especially if he would say, like, you know, I could definitely eat more. Yeah, exactly. You know, okay, cool. Let's push it. Let's keep going up. But he's like, oh my god, I'm stuffed. It's so hard.

Okay, well then that's, I'm not going to force him to continue to push that direction. Our next color is Diego from Florida. Diego, what's happening, man? How come we're helping? Why don't you say his last name, Doug? Do okay. Do okay. I thought we were getting pranked right now Hey guys, howl at him Justin Doug. How you doing, man?

I'm really pumped really pumped to be invited on this, you know pun intended, but anyway I am a certified nutritional therapist, so I got to say I got to commend you for the for the great advice and You know all the stuff you give on nutrition as well. I really respect your knowledge and you know what, I've learned a lot for you guys, really. Thank you. Thank you so much. So I've been listening to you guys for about a year now

and yeah, you got me. I went ahead and purchased the Maths on a mallet and it was as a novel workout to what I've been doing. And now I have three, three quick questions to you. First one of the background. I'm 58 years old and I've been bodybuilding for about since I was 17 years old, competed twice in my 20s, but since then I've been on and off. But the past eight to 10 months, I've been really committed to guys. I've that. I've been on it working out hard, hard-limiting a workout, put on some new muscle,

and got really like my pandemic, my pandemic belly. So, what I was doing, I was doing a four-day split, upper body one day, lower body the next day, repeat, you know, for the week. Be lifting heavy one day, and really, really light the other day, repeat, you know, for the week. Be lifting heavy one day, and really, really like the other day. So now that I've decided to change things up with your maps on a ballot, even on my age,

I've decided to go with the advanced version. So I'm doing three days a week. So here's my first question. I started the program, and you start the program with what, one for reps, so I started very program and you started the program with what one for reps. So I started very, very heavy. My second fundamental exercise went very heavy again. On the third foundational workout, I wasn't sure whether to keep heavy or to go light.

So I decided to go light. Or did you guys have in mind to keep a steady way and keep it the same throughout the program? so you know just I Don't know if you want to go to the next question or let me answer that one first. Let's start with that one first So two things one you've been working out for a decades, okay? So it's safe to say you know your body pretty damn well. Now we know how to program very well

But these programs are written for the general audience and if anybody who follows any of our programs has that much Experience and knows their body or is an expert or professional. It's always important to listen to your body and to or professional, it's always important to listen to your body and to individualize it because, you know this probably better than most people, there's lots of individual variances. Maps at a ballac is a great layout, foundational layout, but if I train an individual, I'm gonna change things based off how they feel

and how they move. So if you get to that third workout, and with your experience, you're like, you know what, I think I need to go lighter on this workout and just practice the technique, then you're right know what? I think I need to go lighter on this workout and just practice the technique than you're right. That's probably what you need to do. So it is laid out to stay consistent at a moderate, high intensity.

However, again, with someone like you, if you're telling me to train you, my question to use going to be like, how do you feel? What do you think is going to be right for you? And I'm going to trust what you said. The truth is, the average person probably doesn't know how to even get to the level of intensity that you've learned to do over decades. So when we write like three days like that heavy, because you're probably scratching your head like, man, so that's a lot of heavy lifting in a week. Well, heavy to a person who's only been training, you know, zero to two years of their life is relatively low compared to someone

like you who's been training for decades and really knows how to squeeze out that last bit of intensity. So you may be pushing yourselves on day, or foundation day one, foundation day two so much that you roll into three and you're like, man, I'm pretty taxed from one and two. And so if you were a client, yeah. So if you're a client of mine and we were actually training together,

I'd be like, hey, we're gonna take it back, intensity-wise, we're gonna lighten the load up and just work on technique because we really got after it on Foundation Day One and Foundation Day Two. So like Sal said, and that's something that we, I think we try and express on the show about our programs is that by no means do we think

this is perfect for every single person and that you can never beat having an actual coach who's like with you or tiny and you're your own coach. You've been doing this for so long that your gut probably told you like, okay, this is probably a little much for me. And so that's exactly what I would do. Scale back a little bit. And remember, you're not going to fail you're on these heavy sets. Remember that.

So if it's two reps or three reps, it's still 70, you know, 80% intensity. So it's not like what do you say? What do you say, for example, I% intensity. So it's not like, what do you say, what do you say, for example, on bench, what do you say it should be my reps and reserve? So I would do a more, yeah, I would do it more like this. Like let's say your max bench is 315, like you know that that's the most you could do for one rep. And now let's say you want to do a map set of ball of workout where you do a bunch of sets of one rep. I would go 265, 275. For one rep. For one rep, right?

So I'm going one to one, right? So 315 is your max for one. If I want to train for one, then I'd go 265, 275. If I was gonna do like two or three, I'd go down to 235, 245, something like that, right? And it depends on the individual. So you want it to feel challenging, but you're not going to failure.

If you treat the heavy workouts like you're maxing or close to maxing, you'll fry yourself for sure. Yeah, I probably did that my first couple of workouts. Okay. He's off a little bit. Okay. So my next question is warmups, especially with the compound lifts, I'm used to warming up two, three warmups, a pretty relatively lighter weight, but I keep going up.

And then I progress in weight. So for example, on your foundational workout one, you have six sets of benches, say, now we're talking about that. I progressively go up and weight and have a couple warmups. Is that what you guys had in mind or you guys think that I should, you know, do you hit a moderate amount of weight and just keep that weight? Do you have maps prime yet? I do not know. This is my first point.

So, okay, so Doug's gonna send you maps prime and you're gonna understand why Maps Santa Ballac is programmed the way it's programmed and why we do maps prime. So, maps prime is designed to prime your body before you get into your lifts so that you can get right into it. Because this is common, right? So, for many years, that's how I lifted, right? I get into bench and I would call my warm-up sets and then my working sets, right? So, if I'm doing a 5x5 routine, I might actually end up doing seven sets of bench because the first two were my warm up or priming types that's where in maps prime, maps prime is designed to complement

any of the programs that you're running, including if you weren't running a maps and a ballad program. The idea is that you go through our compass test and it'll show you areas of your body, whether it has imbalances or if you've got kind of rounded forward shoulders. And for since we're talking about bench, how you would prime your body to get ready to bench. Right. You'd want to set yourself up so you're in good position. You're able to light up and produce as much force as possible with these types of mobility movements and isometric positions. But in terms of like a warm up set, I mean, if you were to do that,

which, you know, priming is gonna be more beneficial, you know, you wouldn't really count that set within the mix. Yeah, and also the stronger you are, the more likely you're gonna have to ramp up even for your work sets, you know, like, if somebody's got a, you know, a one, if they squat with 135, like, you know,

they may do one warm up and then kind of get into it. You're squatting 400 pounds or 300 pounds, you like, you know, you gotta feel it out because you can have, there's a big variance between when you can squat 400 and when you can only squat 350. People don't know this, but the stronger you get, the more off you could be if you feel off

in terms of total weight. So don't worry about so much about like, it has to be the same weight each time. Listen to your body again for someone like you who's been training as long as you have. Don't ignore the knowledge you've already built over decades of training yourself. So if it feels right to you, to within those five sets, ramp up within those five sets, then I'd say to go for it. Right. Yeah, I just didn't want to go over on the volume because we don't want to do that either. So that's why that's one of the big things about the one. So you think I should do this this prime session and then keep the weight pretty even. Yeah, I think I think what you'll

find because I would I would compare you more like most of us. We've all been lifting for a really long time. And when I prime really well, I I typically and when I get into the big compound. So bench overhead press squat deadlift I only need about one one light warmup set and then I'm into it So I prime really well and then I get one light kind of warm up just and just and really what that warmup set is What is what salsa because you exit all of us probably can squat deadlift pretty good weight and? because all of us probably can squat deadlift pretty good weight. And you know, I could have had bad sleep or just feel off. And that really will affect my heavy deadlifting day.

So and I'll know that the minute I I pull 135 even if 135 feels kind of heavy for me. I know, okay, this is not a 500 pound deadlift day. Yeah. No matter real light like even 135. Right. But but then sometimes I'll prime really well. I'll hit that 135 and it comes up like butter. It comes up like I'm just lifting the bar and I go, oh yeah, like today I'm getting after it, right?

So to me, my priming is everything to get my body ready to go and I technically could get right into it, but then I want one warm-up set just to kind of gauge, you know, where am I gonna be today? And and then next set, I'm getting into working. But if you feel like you still need to ramp up, I would listen to your body, because I've had those days too, where I go, whoa, I feel strong. You know what?

Let me do another set, but this time with 315, and then I do that one. Okay, I'm definitely on, or you know what? I think I'm going to stay a little lower, because I can feel my SI joint, you know. So, you know, don't forget, listen to your body, why do this? But you know, you said about the volume that you gotta be careful for the volume. I'm gonna tell you this right now, just because of your experience

and how long you've been bodybuilding, I'm gonna make a guess that your issue will be the intensity, not the volume. If you overdo anything, it's gonna be the intensity. I wouldn't worry about the volume. Yeah, because body builders tend to have a failure mentality, go to the fatigue gets crazy and the pump is maxed out. So that's going to be hard for you.

So I wouldn't worry about seven sets of bench. Think more about like, am I overdoing the intensity? That's what's probably- Am I leaving too much? Oh, that's where I need to monitor more than intensity because I can yes, I go intense I go I go pretty hard. That's what I figure yeah, yeah I mean, I I tell you what that that's how I lifted for most of my career and one of the biggest game changers was switching over to the Two in the take mentality and it's hard. It's hard when you have you've pushed for so long

You gotta say that before and I've always trained with a lot of intensity and a lot of minds, my, my muscle connection. Um, but, uh, and I heard you guys say this before. So yeah, I guess I just need to hear it here. It's very different. It's very different. And it's hard. It's very hard for a guy that's been lifting for a long time. And it, cause you're going to feel like, Oh, I could have done so much more. Or I didn't get the pump, but trust the process and actually follow the programming, but then follow it with that mindset of, I'm going to leave two of the take and I promise you, once you've gone through a month or two of one of the programs, you'll see your strength gains.

You'll definitely see it in a blow your mind because you'll felt like, man, I could have totally got after those workouts way more. Okay. Well, I'm putting my trust in you guys. Like I said, you guys get great advice and, you know, I appreciate it and I'm going my trust in you guys. Like I said, you guys are great advice and I appreciate it. And I'm gonna take advantage of it. Anyway, my last question, my original program, it's pretty basic, but like I said intense,

the ride they're from, Bill Phil, do you remember that guy, Bill Phil? Absolutely. Yeah, Bill Phil, he's somebody admire a lot because he took bodybuilding back in a day and made it very popular, right? So, you know, and just made it for all of life, body of life, like he called his book. But anyway, so get in my age and my experience, what would be the progression after Maths on a Volga's The Nine Weeks?

Should I go back to what I did before or one of your other programs, you have performance, you have a lot of... Performance, the aesthetic. Or symmetry. Yeah, or that. Yeah, I would say, maps performance,

I'm not too keen on the differences between the three. Okay, so maps performance, mobility focus, much more functional. So you'll probably do movements in exercise. Which would be so good for a bodybuilder. Yes. Or symmetry, or symmetry, because it's all unilateral training. It'll be a little more familiar, but it's pure,

it's pure, I mean, there's long phases of unilateral training in there that will benefit almost anybody, but performance, I'll lead, because what Adam said, I think that edges it out, because I'm pretty sure at least half the exercises in some of the phases you've probably never really trained. I mean, guy would you like you with your type of goals, your experience. I would and if you were my client, I would run you on anabolic performance aesthetic and then I would use symmetry to interrupt that cycle and I would like run you on that for a while. That's indefinite

for me. Yeah. And that would be with the goal in mind of a more hypertrophy. Yes. Yes. Yes. Hypertrophy, keeping your joints feeling great, staying mobile, being strong, multi-directional, being able to move laterally well, looking good. That's what I'm getting from talking to you. We would literally run those three or four programs with symmetry indefinitely. That's like a year's worth of training right there. That's the challenge though. It's the one that's like a year's worth of training right there. That's the challenge though, it's the one that's gonna be unfamiliar.

And so the ego part of it's gonna be challenging in terms of learning something new, but that's where the benefit is, right? Everything you've found in your training, I'm sure once you learn something new, it unlocked a lot more potential for you. Also, Diego, consider this, if you do performance, the hypertrophy gains

are gonna happen after performance. That's right. Okay, that's not saying that during performance, you're not gonna see some differences, but because of the way performance is gonna balance you out and train your body, it's when you're done with performance and you go back to like a body builder style work out like Maths aesthetic or Math Split,

then you're gonna be like, holy cow, my body is responding like crazy. So think of that because when you're going through performance, you may be like, I you're gonna be like, holy cow, my body is responding like crazy. So consider that, so think of that because when you're going through performance, you may be like, I'm not getting the pumps, I'm not building like I thought I would, don't worry about it, after you're done with that three month program, that's when this stuff's gonna be gone.

After you're done, you have to buy more sleeveless shirts. So. I'm gonna send you performance too, because you're background you gave us great compliments so I feel really nice about myself. So I'm gonna send you mass performance as well. Yeah, I love you guys, man. Big hugs here from South Beach Miami. Thanks, man. Thank you. All right, thanks. I think the big lesson here and again, we did not start out as fitness podcasters or influencers.

We were trainers for decades, so we will never say that an individualized program is not as good as a general one that we created. So if you have a lot of experience, and even if you don't have a lot of experience, if your body is telling you something, listen to your body,'s more important. You do that than you listen to us Absolutely So if I say do this it's the best thing ever and you do it and it feels like you're gonna hurt yourself We don't feel good ignore what I said you just create a range Yes, and honestly that's that's the difficulty on our part is like it

Do we give them a very specific amount of reps because people follow things to the tea and sometimes we're like we got to give a little bit more Yes of a range here. So if you aren't feeling like, if you feel like this is too taxing, you listen to that. Yeah, I also think he gave some pretty good nuggets, though, when they're after talking for a while, that. I, and I know we said, like, hey, on that third day, probably scale back the intensity, you know your body,

but the coach of me, too, and you hit it right on the head because you know, like, he he's got this bodybuilder background that he probably chains to failure almost ever said. It's not the volume. Yeah, exactly. If he, I actually think if foundational day one, foundational day two, he actually truly followed it to a tee and actually left two in the tank and everything like that. He, day three, he would feel okay. I do. That's what I think too. Yeah. But because he

didn't, and he overreached, and he probably is pushing him. Yeah, he's pushing it really hard. Then, okay, well, now day three, we've got to adjust. We've got to adjust a bit too much. Yeah, now we got to adjust. Now we got to back off significantly and scale back on the intensity on day three versus if you would have just scaled back on the intensity a little bit on day one, a little bit on day two, and then day three you'd be okay.

But since we were full throttle on day one, full throttle day two, we'll day three, now we got to really scale back. Exactly. Our next caller is Audrey from Pennsylvania. Audrey, how can we help you? Hi, I'm so excited to get to talk to everyone. My first question pertains to maps performance. So to start out, I'm a lightweight

rower on the US national team. And due to some coaching complications recently, I haven't had any of my lifts programmed. weight-weight-weight-weight-weight-weight-weightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweightweight And I just started with phase one. I was wondering if that was the right phase to start with as I am about seven weeks out from world champs and was wondering if maybe starting with something like phase three to work on power and acceleration would be a little bit better for where I am in my season. Oh great question. We're seven weeks out.

The program's 12, right Justin? So I actually would try and we'd want her to end, like right as this is. Yeah, in terms of timing it out, the program's 12, right Justin? So I actually would try and we'd want her to end, right? As the same. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of timing it out, like I think your intuition is pretty, pretty on point. Yeah, because the beginning, we're trying to like create that base layer of strength and then move into more of the multi-planar type of strength. So phase three would be then timing wise in terms of having like, you know, another four, another eight weeks there to, you know, work on your power and conditioning. If that's the goal for you at this point,

you know, to kind of go into your competition. I mean, that makes the most sense to you. You could shorten the phases to go 2,2,2, so that it ends at the right time, but I have some more questions for you because so I've trained some competitive rowers and you guys have probably some of the most intense practices and training that I've seen with some of the athletes have trained. It's you guys, they beat you guys up quite a bit.

So I need to know what your training looks like now before I can recommend how you follow a mass performance because it may be too much in combination with your practices. So what do practices look like right now? Very good point. Yep. Yeah, so we do two to three practices a day. We're on the water at least twice a day. We'll do a combination of like study state work and some faster, more intense pieces. We do have two lifting days programmed in already.

So that's kind of what I was hoping to, you know, fill the gap with. Holy shit. Okay. Okay. And this is five days, and this is five days a week. Yeah. But that means six, six days week. Okay. So six days a week. So six days a week, which includes the two lifting days that they already typically will program. And so what you're trying to do. Are we dropping those? Yes, we're replacing them.

Okay, okay. Yeah, we have to do that. Is that correct? We're replacing those? Yeah. Okay, here's my next question. How do you feel? And I don't mean like, because I know you're tough, because like I said, I've trained

rowers and for some reason it's like everything feels great, even when you're not so great. So how do you feel? Do you feel stiff, sore? Do you feel like you need more sleep, more recovery? Do you feel joint pain? This is gonna really determine the direction that I put you. Yeah, for the most part, I feel pretty good. I do have, when I'm down on the one,

I do have a big emphasis on recovery and I use like max prime for mobility. Perfect. So I think I do a pretty good job taking care of my body because like you said, it's a lot of hard work and a lot of wear and tear. OK, so here's how I would do the two days. I would do one day recovery focused.

So mobility, recovery, maybe some core work. And then the other day is where you do, you pick your mass performance workout. And then you can pick one of the three from phase one. Yeah. One of the three foundational workouts from phase one. Just a three you're doing the two. Yes.

Yeah. And you do it like no, he's doing one. He's doing one foundation week. One mobility day. Yeah. So her two days of training would be, she would pick one of the foundational days and one she wants. And then her other training day would literally be a mobility day.

Yeah, mobility because I mean, pull from one of the mobility. Two or three days times a day of rowing is a lot. Yeah. And what you don't want to do is, so there's a difference between, you know, doing as much training as you can tolerate and then doing the most amount of training that's going to give you the best results. Those are two different things. So one is more than the other, but one gives you better results.

So we don't want to do, and here's a trouble that a lot of college athletes run into, is they do the most they can tolerate. They just keep going until they hit the red line. But what's happened there is they've actually gone past the sweet spot of maximum results. Well, also keep in mind when we wrote performance, we wrote it with the intent of this being the off season. Somebody's getting ready to go into the season. And if you're already training at that high of volume already, like I would never let you go through

maps performance the way it's laid out. It's just too much. Yeah, we wrote that without you practicing like in between. So, you know, their points are about, I think, you know, if you are to do those workouts, I would definitely like keep the load down, keep the intensity a bit down, just really hone in on the skill and the technique

and really the connectivity that you're gonna get from that. So I think that speed power, you really wanna keep the weight down and really get that explosive technique. Yeah, so again, just to lay it out, right? You got your practices. The first workout day where you're doing, you know, where you're lifting is mobility focused, recovery mobility focus.

The second one, you pick a foundational workout from maps performance. And then as far as the phasing is concerned, if you have seven weeks, I would do each phase two weeks each. So it gives you six weeks. And then you have that week before you compete, which you would probably, which I would do each phase two weeks each, so it gives you six weeks, and then you have that week before you compete, which I would probably have you take off or focus entirely on mobility so you could peak for competition. Or you could reverse it out. You could say you're trying to end the program at seven weeks and so then back up, seven weeks in the program, start there.

But you want to have some time before your competition where you're allowing your body to totally out of the week or two before. Does that make sense? Yeah, I also don't think I'll have access to gym for the week of and maybe the week before. Okay, so that's perfect. And then there's another part to your question. I notice here that you're because you're a lightweight, you have to keep your body at a certain weight, right? Yeah. Okay. So as a lightweight, I have to weigh in at 125.6 pounds to hours before racing. And previously in doing this, I had focused on one to one ratio of protein intake and body mass. I think it worked pretty well to maintain my strength through the cut. I was wondering if maybe you had one or two other pieces

of advice to focus on to help maintain the strength as I come down. What's your body weight right now? I'm at about like 134. Okay, so you got to drop weight as you're going into competition then. Yeah. Okay, and you guys don't do the cuts like wrestlers do

or whatever, right? I hope you don't do that because it's two hours before competition. No, we do have some acute strategies that don't get me, you know, like four pounds within just a couple of days. So that's something really reliable. Okay. Well, be careful because you're going to compete two hours after you weigh in and you

don't want to hurt your performance just to try to make weight. I like your one-to-one ratio. I would go because it's such, there's an anaerobic, anaerobic, basically factors with the type of competition that you're doing. I would go higher carb lower fat. I wouldn't go low carb higher fat.

You're gonna need the carbohydrates for the stamina and endurance. So one-to-one, but make sure you don't keep the carbs too low. As long as the calories are low enough to get you down to that body weight, you're gonna be totally fine. Okay. Yeah, she's not far from that weight.

She has plenty of time. Yeah, I'm totally okay. So you already have mass performance. Do you have, I'd like to give you something to help you with recovery. I'd like to see her with symmetry. I mean, that's something I would like every athlete to have in the season.

That's a great idea. To really address any kind of underlying issue I mean, that's something I would like every A.C. to have this easy. Absolutely, that's a great idea. To really address any kind of underlying issue and it's just one of those things. It's always surprising every time I have like somebody go through that. Well, okay, so with rowing, you could have dramatic imbalances.

I don't remember the names, but is this the one where you're, do you have two boards? You're going on boards, right? Do you have two orbs or, are you only on one side? Like, what's going on here? You're going on boards, right? Do you have two orbs or are you only on one side? Okay. What's going on here?

Yeah, so it's the lightweight quad I have two orbs. Okay, so she's balanced. Okay, but still symmetry, I think that's a great, we'll send that over to you. Audrey, do you have a clip or a video of you rolling with your team? I do, yeah. Could you share it with my team? Could you send that over in the email that you've been in contact with? I'd love to share that clip when we post this video.

Yeah, that'd be awesome. Very cool. All right, thank you. We're calling in. Well, good luck to you. Thank you. Bro, most of my clients were, I don't think I've trained somebody at that level.

I've trained some people that are rowers, but not at that level. Bro, I trained one rower on three fucking times today. I'll never forget. There's two athletes I trained that I literally thought they were making it up. That's the type of training. It was Polo?

Polo athletes? They live in the pool. And then rowers, I couldn't believe the amount of volume of training that they did. Like she said, two times. I'm not gonna say it, because I just assume that she's still training and leading, you know, leaning into that, but all those practices on top of like training

and working out, man, that's a lot of all of you. Oh, it's insane. And so you add, you know, full strength training. Oh, you cannot, you cannot risk her being so sore that it starts to hinder her rowing practice. Yeah. So it's like, it has to compliment it, which is your advice of mobility first,

so she helped her recover from all that training than just one day of strength training, and that's all you wanna mess with with someone like that much, that high of volume. Otherwise, you start taking from her skill. People, that's a thing too, and we always talk about this, that there's this idea,

and because we know how much obviously building muscle and training way, it can compliment or make you a better athlete, but it can also hinder it, if it starts to hinder your skills training, because nothing is gonna make you a better athlete, but it can also hinder it if it starts to hinder your skills training because nothing is going to make you better at your sport than getting really good at the skills of your sport. And so if you try to weight train so much to improve your sport, then it starts to hinder

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