Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1876: Ways to Speed Up Your Metabolism, How to Train After Being Sick, Powerlifting Competition Preparation Tips & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:03:36 that's a muscle that's doing that. It's called the TVA. We'll check this out. You can train that muscle to be stronger and actually shrink your waist without getting any leaner. It's not the abs, it's not the obliques. It's the transverse abdominis. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:51 It sounds like an infomercial. It does, doesn't it? And check out this new piece of equipment. It's actually nothing to sell. It's not new, it's really old technique. That's why it's popular. There's nothing you get attached to. I don't know what you would, like what you would attach to that.

Starting point is 00:04:02 Nothing, that's why. To sell, right? Yeah, nothing. It's nothing. Yeah, it's interesting. I I learned about this that the exercises and techniques to do this from old bodybuilding magazines because back in the day, there was a bodybuilding pose called the vacuum pose. In fact, they do it now in the classic bodybuilding division.

Starting point is 00:04:23 They have this new division where they're trying to make them look more like, you know, bodybuilders of the 80s. And they brought back that pose, right? Because Harkins back to the classic, you know, areas of bodybuilding. And basically it's hands behind the head. And we'll pull up a picture where you suck in your vision. You can see the ribs a lot more. Yeah, and you see the serratus anterior.

Starting point is 00:04:42 And you have to train it to really make it happen, and people who have a really strong TVA can suck in and really shrink their waist. Well, anyway, that muscle, if you work it and strengthen it, in some cases, many cases in my experience of training clients, that they would notice that their waist would get smaller, and they didn't have to get leaner, just because they tightened that muscle up. Yeah, and also there's lots of cool applications, especially for postpartum and like losing that access through pregnancy, like to be able to reconnect

Starting point is 00:05:12 to that muscle and be able to kind of get things back on track and be able to stabilize your spine, like all these muscles that are there for a purpose, you know, to gain that kind of accessibility again, is great. Would you teach this first or would you teach like a, like in a quadruped position drawn maneuver first? So that's why I see that's how I was originally exposed to.

Starting point is 00:05:34 I didn't really know the bodybuilder technique specifically. Yeah. I would typically do what you just, what you just said with quadruped, but I would regress back to just basic hands and knees. Let's see if we can pull your belly button up, especially when I worked with postpartum, women because they were so disconnected from, so think about that muscle as like the body's weight belt, so it wraps around the core, right? When you're pregnant, it has to atrophy and stretch, obviously it has to make room, so you

Starting point is 00:06:01 get this muscle stretch. And then often what happens is women will have a baby and then they'll go train their abs and the bleaks, but that muscle will stay kind of weak, and then they'll complain about as they'll say things like, you know, I've been working on my abs and my core and I'm lean, but I got this lower belly pooch ever since I had a baby. And sometimes that's due to the fact that this TVA isn't strong. So I would get postpartum women, I'd have them try to suck in and do this drawing maneuver, and they couldn't connect to it at all. And so that's how I would practice first.

Starting point is 00:06:29 And then once they were able to, then I would do something a little more challenging. Well, not so posturally too, like for me to address what you see a lot of times when overhead pressing, you'll see this arching of the lower back and lots of pain and tension in the lower back to focus on the TVA and really gaining access there to bring that rib flare down And good posture and stack your spine it absolves that issue So I would I would put a client the reason why I would do this too is for exact point is like a lot of clients can't even Activate their TVA right they're they're so disconnected and this isn't just a pregnant woman They some people have just completely disconnected from that area.

Starting point is 00:07:06 And when you tell them to draw in, they hold their breath. And they don't actually use that muscle to pull up. So putting them on all four like that, now we're using gravity. So we're using gravity. This feedback. Yeah, there's a feedback there.

Starting point is 00:07:18 And then I would take actually a PVC pipe and I would rest it. So I'd have them tilt their head down to where you have their cervical spine, nice and neutral and then they're low back. And so I'd want the PVC pipe to hit all three points, their head, their upper back and then their hips and that, because the other thing people do is they roll

Starting point is 00:07:37 their spine and arches their back to try and draw in like that too. So I want them to understand how to keep the neutral spine while they draw in and then also Can you actually breathe while you do that and breathe? Yeah, that's oh by the way that is hard. Yeah, people who don't have no It's that's an exercise in itself. I mean that would be a foundational exercise that I would teach a lot of clients when we first get started because

Starting point is 00:08:01 You have to first get that down and then if you do a good job of laying that foundation, then when you get to more complex movements, you can get them to organize their posture and their body much easier because you've taught that first versus going right into a more basic or fundamental movement that everyone's familiar with and then saying, oh, stand up tall or draw your core in. And you say that and then like, huh?

Starting point is 00:08:26 It's like completely. It's weird when you don't have connection to a muscle telling, it would be like telling someone to be like telling me to make this desk levitate. I have no connection to it. There's, I don't know how I don't know what I'm doing. So when you get someone who doesn't have a connection, understand the force. Yeah. It's weird, right? Like you would, you would get someone doesn't have this connection. And force. Yeah, it's weird right like you would you get someone Doesn't have this connection and as a trainer. It's your cues You have to I would I would put my finger on their belly button and I'd say see if you can lift your belly button towards your spine and

Starting point is 00:08:54 You would see them go like I can't I can't do I say well, we just gotta sit here and try and Sometimes it would take three sessions like three workouts before they go. oh, what is that? Oh, I could feel it. Okay, we're connecting. Now let's get it stronger. But yeah, that muscle, if you can't connect to it, it's not stabilizing. And so now you're relying on all the other stabilizers. This is why oftentimes people have low back pain,

Starting point is 00:09:17 even though they're training their core particular way. Or again, they notice that lower belly pooch. The reason why you get that lower belly pooch is because your internal organs is your standing gravity kind of pushes them down and out. So if that muscle isn't tight, it'll bulge out a little bit. And you'll have that kind of,

Starting point is 00:09:33 you know, you'll have the increased waist size from it. So yeah, it's a great exercise, a great way to strengthen and tighten your core. It is imperative for postpartum women in particular. This was one of the first exercises that I would do when they would come in after having a baby and I would tell them I would have them practice it on the run. It's an easy way to make yourself look like you lost 10 to 15 pounds and not losing any any weight at all.

Starting point is 00:09:58 You know, how many times have you done that? Pretty quickly, too. Well, it's also essential to keeping you in good posture. So when the transverse abdominis activates, I used to give this analogy of like, I'd have like this append in my hand, and I would be like, it'd be like loose. You're like, you're like pencil fist analogy.

Starting point is 00:10:14 Yes, right. A million times after. This is your spine, and then when you activate your TVA, it's like a vacuum, right? So now it's all, so, and that's what also holds you up into that good posture. So if I can get you to learn, first of all, how to activate that muscle, and then we train and strengthen it, you're gonna have better overall posture, low back pain, tends to go away.

Starting point is 00:10:33 You automatically look better, like I can take a client in assessment and have them posture up, activate their core, and then show them the reflection of before and after of what they look like. And you right away, you already look like you've lost 10, 15 pounds just by standing up. Totally. Yeah. If you think of the, when people talk about core stability

Starting point is 00:10:51 and you think of a spine, the spine is obviously made of a lot of joints and it can move in almost any direction. Like if you took a spine out and tried to stand it up, it would just flop over. So it's all these muscles that surround it and muscles that connect to the surrounding muscles that contribute to stability.

Starting point is 00:11:08 And good stability is the balance and efficiency of how they work together. And what happens when one muscle or two muscles doesn't stabilize the way it should is that the other muscles then start to take over and try to pick up the slack. And this is not a bad thing. This is a compensation. You need it. However, when this goes on long enough, you develop problems.

Starting point is 00:11:30 For example, a lot of back pain is not due to problems with the spine. It's very common for someone to have their so-as muscle have to do way more work than it needs to. And that's a hip flexor. You think, what does a hip flexor have to do with my spine? Well, it goes through the body, it attaches at the lower back. And if other muscles aren't doing what they're supposed to,

Starting point is 00:11:50 that's so as it's constantly pulling and at the attachments you get inflamed and what does it feel like? It feels like low back pain on one side or the other. The lower lats, let me let me know the lower lats are involved in stability, the glutes are involved in stability. And of course your abs, obliques, internal external, and then your TVA.

Starting point is 00:12:05 So, but the TVA being the one that oftentimes, because most people have no idea that that's even a muscle that you need to train or strengthen, that one often is, you know, is a bit of... It's overlooked quite a bit, yeah. Totally overlooked, yeah. So, by the way, this is when you, if you ever put on, like something stabilizing around your midsection, like you see people at home

Starting point is 00:12:26 depot, where those things. And they'll have a stomach like, oh, my back doesn't hurt anymore. Like, wow, you did that artificially. You can totally do that with your... You do that intrinsically. You can work on that muscle. You can totally do that.

Starting point is 00:12:36 Well, that's the... You know, and by the way, that is the problem with braces like that. Oh my god. And the weight belt would be included in that, especially for people that wear weight belts their entire time of lifting is that You're you're basically creating an artificial core

Starting point is 00:12:50 We can even with the one you have. Yeah, which which exactly the body will adapt me. I'll like oh cool I don't at this core your your actual core doesn't need to be strong because I'm you know Artificially propping it up with this belt And so you actually just get weaker in that area. And yes, you're maybe supported because you have this artificial support while you're working at Home Depot or while you're in the gym and you're lifting. But let's be honest, are you wearing that all the time?

Starting point is 00:13:13 Or do you wanna wear that all the time? Of course not, it's not a good idea. So anyway, I'm gonna change topics here, but I've been reading a lot about alpha-lipobic acid. So I'm, but I'm gonna get to why? I've been reading a lot about this particular compound. I brought it up I'm, but I'm gonna get to why I've been reading a lot about this particular compound. I brought it up before. Other than you being a dork.

Starting point is 00:13:28 Yeah. Besides that. Besides that, I like to read about breach. What'd you do for your week, adjusted? I'm a lot of rich studies on alpha-lipobic acid. Aren't you guys happy that? I think I, yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 00:13:37 You're right. You're right. Fair enough. No, it was really nothing. It's not a good question. Yeah. Every group needs one. Thank you very much.

Starting point is 00:13:42 So anyway, so here's what led me to that, right? So we've just, we've talked about now on past podcasts how the serotonin model of depression and its role in depression had just been flipped on a tab. Okay, and this is a big deal because for decades we've built an entire industry around this theory of depression that it's this deficiency of serotonin. And what ends up happening is you get funding

Starting point is 00:14:04 in that direction, you get more medications in that direction, they get approved by investors and all that stuff. And you end up building this entire house on a faulty premise, which is really crazy, right? Well, they did that with Alzheimer's. So Alzheimer's, it's coming out now that the whole approach to like the beta-amoloid plaque theory

Starting point is 00:14:29 of Alzheimer's, like this is what's causing the symptoms. Which what they're not saying is there is in a connection, but what they're finding now is that that was actually faulty and we've developed this entire industry around drugs that prevent beta-amolid plaques from building. And there's no research, for example, it shows that this new drug, yes, it reduces that, but it doesn't solve Alzheimer's,

Starting point is 00:14:50 it's not correcting the problem. So just huge amounts of money have gone totally in these directions that have been a complete waste of time, really, really crazy. But the reason why I got to alpha low public acid is because I'm looking at this Alzheimer's research. I talked to Max Lugavir a little bit. You know, this is a big area of study.

Starting point is 00:15:06 Yeah, no, I saw his post last week. And I did. That's what probably actually didn't know what it was all about. It was like, he was like big news in Alzheimer's this week. And he talked about two like main studies that were completely upended. Yes. So originally, so they found that like, there was a correlation between a beta-ameloid plaque buildup within.

Starting point is 00:15:26 They didn't find shit, it was fraudulent. So what it was is essentially, and I'm just trying to see where they got to that. I'm not 100% privy on it, okay, but from what I understand, they came up with a theory that the beta-ameloid plaques are the cause. And if we could just prevent those from building, we will solve Alzheimer's. And there was a study that now turns out that wasn't that great. But anyway, it came out a long time ago.

Starting point is 00:15:54 And everybody was like, oh, this is it. This is the silver bullet. Because Alzheimer's is a big issue. It's a big problem. It's chronic degenerative disease. It's growing. We have an aging population. Like, if you could solve Alzheimer's

Starting point is 00:16:03 like you're solving a big problem. And what happens when this happens is then the government comes out and says, okay, we're going to get funding towards solving that part of the problem. So then studies come out, more people are putting money that way, pharmaceutical companies are directing their efforts towards that. And it's not profitable or it's very risky to go in any other direction because you're not going to get funding investors are like, look, if you have a drug that's going to stop beta-amoloid plaques, we'll give you money.

Starting point is 00:16:35 But if you have a drug that's going to go in this other direction, what this other theory we have, we're not going to give you any money. So we build these entire industries around it. So that's kind of, you know, what's what's happened. So anyway, because of that, I started looking at the alternative theories. Now, I have said many times on the show, I know we have that. Some researchers will call Alzheimer's dementia type three diabetes that there's a connection between our inability to utilize glucose and our insensitivity to insulin to Alzheimer's. And we know that if you give someone who has Alzheimer's or dementia,

Starting point is 00:17:11 you put them on a ketogenic diet, we see improvements in cognition. So that shows us something. So there's this alternate theory that has to do with that and mitochondrial health, the health of the engines of ourselves. But not a of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of heart of the congeal health and very good for insulin sensitivity. Isn't that the one you told me to pair with my creatine? Yes, it is. Yes. So alpha-lipoc acid, great for metacondral health, reduces oxidative stress very effectively, increases muscle-creating concentration.

Starting point is 00:17:56 So even if you don't have creatine, alpha-lipoc acid seems to increase that. It's like I said, it's very, very potent antioxidant. So interesting. And so I've been supplementing it now with it for the last six months. So, you know, we work with a company called LiveOn and one of the products that have is alpha-lipoc acid and they put it in this liposomal packet. In other words, it's very absorbable. And I've been using it for a while. And I think I noticed a difference when I take it versus when I don't.

Starting point is 00:18:26 I did notice with the CGM. So I had the continual glucose monoron, and I noticed that my glucose did not do the same thing when I took alpha-lapoc acid. It does seem to have a sensitizing effect on the insulin. So I think it's a supplement that has got a lot of benefit for people interested in longevity health.

Starting point is 00:18:45 It sort of sounds like in terms of wellness and longevity. And you speculate too how Cretein was going to move into the wellness category. It sounds like the combination of both of those would be a great. If you can keep your mitochondria healthy, you'll probably prevent a lot of chronic disease. It seems like a lot of chronic disease is being connected now to poor health of the engines of ourselves. And that's so, that's what we should call it.

Starting point is 00:19:11 Wouldn't the infrared light fall into that category too? Yep. Okay, they're all doing that right? Yep, they all help that, definitely. Well, well. So, I thought I read that on that study that it came out that it was completely fraudulent. Fraudulent, yes.

Starting point is 00:19:24 Like they made false claims completely, people signed off on it, like Dr. signed off on it, like when they shouldn't have, like, you know what the problem is, and I'm gonna have, I'm trying to get max on the show to break this down because I, you know, I'm not, like I said, obviously it's his space, he's way more creative.

Starting point is 00:19:37 Yeah, and I'm not privy enough to really break it down, but I do know that in science, getting funding can be very challenging if you're gonna go, for example, I always this example, let's say you are a scientist and you have this like really novel, interesting alternative theory towards cancer. So like, you know what? I got this really interesting theory on how we may be able to be able to cure cancer. Getting funding for that will be really hard. Now, if I came out and said,

Starting point is 00:20:05 if that same scientist said, hey, I've got this new form of chemo that's safer and maybe kills more cancer cells because it's already in a category that's already established. You're more likely to get funding. This is why opiates like just, you know, and if you come up with alternative forms of pain, you know, medicine, it's hard, right? Plus, if you're a scientist, and you're so stupid of me, because it's like the opposite of what science is supposed to be. Science is supposed to be constantly challenging what we believe, and instead it's like, oh, we already believe this, so you can go do research and studies on that, because this is where we are already believe. That's where you get the funding, but we're not going to finance,

Starting point is 00:20:41 we're not going to help any of these ones that challenge any of these beliefs, which just flies right in the face of all these arcore science. It's really crazy. And also if you're a scientist and you are coming out to disprove, you'll destroy your career oftentimes. Yeah, oftentimes you have to you're really put not advantageous for them. It's not even advantageous for them to do what they're supposed to do, which is challenge these ideas. It is way more advantageous for them to fall in line with what everybody else believes, because that's how they'll get recognized, that's where they'll get the money.

Starting point is 00:21:08 It's such bullshit. This is where I think government spending could be valuable, because I am, you guys know, everybody knows, I'm a super free market guy, but I do think that when markets can't exist, that's where there may be value. Like I could see governments coming out and saying, I would love this.

Starting point is 00:21:25 We're gonna fund alternative treatments because there's no market investment by ability. Like investors, I'm as an investor, I wouldn't invest some weird technology that has no track records. I'm gonna lose my money. So that's where I think there's a lot of- So I don't know though.

Starting point is 00:21:41 So my challenge is I would still challenge that and go back to your free market belief because I would believe that there's enough, you know, 100 millionaires and billionaires out there that have that have been impacted by these things that need to be researched that if you were going to put your money towards any direction, that's, I mean, look at just like Max is a good example, he's dedicated his life to learning about this topic because it impacted him so close to home with his mother. So you can't tell me there's not money out there that's attached to people that have been affected

Starting point is 00:22:08 by these things that need to have researched onto him. I think letting the government involved is like your, your, look, it's one of those things where I think it's like necessary evil in some cases. I agree with you, but man, do you know how many billions of dollars it takes with no return for a long time? To me, that's a whole other argument, right? Yeah, because if you go back to true free market stuff, what would happen as you would free up a lot of that?

Starting point is 00:22:31 Well, I mean, if you really want to make it viable, what you do is you completely change our FDA because to get a drug from to Inception to market is like a billion dollars. So maybe I've said this before to market is like a billion dollars. So maybe, I've said this before, maybe what we had was a tier system where it's like high-risk drugs with very little evidence and it goes down and then the consumer can pick. So if you're really sick and you're like, I'll take, look, this one over here, I know it's got like one study that shows maybe it works, but I'm terminal. So I'll go ahead and try it out. You know, maybe something like that and then you'd have enough people using it Where you start to get data, but I don't know if people are ready for that, you know, I mean, I don't know if people are ready to let people take weird shit Hey, how is your weekend over there solo guy dude you've been solo since like what Wednesday or Thursday last week

Starting point is 00:23:18 Still solo yeah the kids and they're in Courtney went to Lake Corgdalene to hang out with my brother. But yeah, the great time. It was funny because I was like, well, they're probably going to stay in excessive amount of time. And so I don't want to take work off for nothing. And like, I want them to just have fun. So I was like, you guys just go. And so like, I'm just trying to catch up on stuff, which was good. And I'm like, kind of doing my thing.

Starting point is 00:23:40 But I was getting bored, dude. Like, you know, being by myself for too long, get bored. But they're sending me all these videos, like having the greatest time ever. Like, my kids, again, like I missed out on my kids catching a fish, like I took them and didn't work out. You know, like they went and learned how to like water ski, you know, and then like sending me videos,

Starting point is 00:24:00 I'm like, oh, cool, like that's awesome. Dad misses out a it. Later on. Yeah, we're going out tonight. And oh, by the way, I guess we found out that there's this private concert with Lenny Kravitz. And so we're gonna drive the boat and then watch a free concert. And then there's gonna be fireworks.

Starting point is 00:24:18 And it's like, I'm like, whoa, that's awesome. Good for you. Yeah, I'm like, you're home-toeful. You're home-trimming the you. Yeah, I was like, I was like, you're home trimming the edges. Yeah, dude, seriously. And I'm like, you know, take care of the dogs are like extra needy.

Starting point is 00:24:31 So I just was getting out and trying to like manage them for most of the weekend, but yeah, dude. I mean, I, again, it was just a loan. I was just by myself. Yeah, you didn't buy no one by yourself. Yeah, so I've done nothing. Yeah, you didn't buy anybody over, you just stay at home like a hermit. Yeah, I haven't done me over. No, I don't. Yeah, you didn't invite anybody over. You just stay at home like a hermit.

Starting point is 00:24:46 Yeah, I haven't done that for a year. You guys haven't done that in a while. Or you're just like, oh, you did that not too long ago. I did, and it's fun for two days. Yeah. And that's what I'm like. There's a cap to that, dude. It was like one day for me.

Starting point is 00:24:56 I was like, yeah, like, uh, you know, keep my feet up. Watch, you know, the man shows and like, all the action stuff and comedy that I can never watch. And then it was that was it was like it was cool and it was gone. Did you take a bath like Adam does? But the bubbles in the line. No, I didn't I didn't get that fancy. I probably should have. You know, like probably should have made about that. Just so good. Yeah. Just so read a novel. Pedals, you know, candles. Get really into a movie. Hey, your bro. Yeah. Well, you look like you had movie hate or bro. Yeah, sure

Starting point is 00:25:30 Well, you look like you had Max by I did you guys took you took him to his first movie bro Did he watch the whole thing bro listen to this so okay? So I have Matt I have Max. So I had him from Thursday all the till Sunday could you come back Sunday late late afternoon or evening and Like what day was it Saturday? I think it was. We, I took, I, I love to take him for a drive to put him to sleep. I already like driving. And like our kind of our thing is to drive the coast. And like I have this little route that takes about an hour. And I'm like cruising one and like he falls asleep. And I'm just kind of chilling, right? So that was like our thing. So we, I take him out at noon, he passed out in the car,

Starting point is 00:26:02 we drive for like an hour up and down the coast. And then where he wakes up, he wakes up all in a good mood and stuff like that because he got good sleep and we're heading back to the house. And I'm like, you know what? Like I wanted to swing by the movie theater. Katrina had called the movie theater, like I don't know, a week or two ago, I asked her to call down there and see what it would cost for me to rent the whole thing to ourselves. Because I was like, I had this idea that I first of all, I'm a huge thing to ourselves. Because I was like, I had this idea that I, first of all, I'm a huge movie person already. And I like, if I was gonna bring my son there,

Starting point is 00:26:29 I'm like, you know what, I heard that it's not that crazy expensive to like rent the whole thing. And maybe I'll do it for Max and a couple of friends and we'd have the whole place. So she'd call it down there and she got some kid who's like, like just started working there, had no answers for her, didn't help out. I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna go there

Starting point is 00:26:45 and see if I can go talk to the general manager. So I just rolled up there in the afternoon, I take Max out with me and we walk up, and this is like first time even in the movie theater. So he's like looking around, he's like so enamored by the lights, everything going on, I'm talking to the general manager and stuff and they're like, yeah, you know,

Starting point is 00:27:02 this place is really small, we don't do that. I'm like, you know, I live right around the corner, I said, I'll come on a weekday, when you be closed, when they're like, yeah, you know, this place is really small. We don't do that. I'm like, you know, I live right around the corner. I said, I'll come on a weekday when you be closed, when you're not, I was like, I said, I'm really flexible about when I imagine you guys could use the revenue and stuff like that. He goes, no, absolutely, you know what? Let me take your number.

Starting point is 00:27:14 We'll figure something out. We'll do something. Well, then I go to leave and Max doesn't want to leave. He wants to, like, he really wants to stay. And I'm like, do you want to go to a movie? He's like, yeah, yeah. And I said, okay, well, daddy's going to take you home. We got, yeah, yeah. And I said, okay, well daddy's gonna take you home. We gotta change real quick.

Starting point is 00:27:27 And then we'll come back, put some shoes on you and stuff. And then we'll come back and we'll go to a movie. And I pull up the thing. And these are the movie theaters where you can book your seats. You see how much of it's taken out. And I'm like, okay, let me see if it's not crazy. If it's not crazy packed and it's in 20 minutes, I'm like, it ended all lines.

Starting point is 00:27:44 And I'm like, sure enough, I got on there. It was minions. And there's not crazy packed and it's in 20 minutes, I'm like, it ended all lines and I'm like, sure enough, I got on there. It was minions and there's like six people in there. Oh, perfect. And I'm like, okay, cool. So if he acts all crazy and stuff like that, I won't be all that embarrassed. It'll be easy.

Starting point is 00:27:55 Yeah, if he moves around a little bit too, it's not a big deal because it won't be packed at all. So I picked a little spot where we kind of had plenty of seats on the little size. And so I'm like, all prepared, right? I packed his diaper bag, I bring his little snacks and his drink and everything I got going on. And so, and I take them there,

Starting point is 00:28:09 and right when we get there, the right up the road is the college. And a whole college class is in, like walks in front of us because we're walking him so we're walking hell slow. And I see them coming. And it's like a mob of probably 30, 40 kids, you know, college kids.

Starting point is 00:28:28 And they all get in before me. And they all go straight to the line. I'm like, oh shit. Right. And I'm like, I do not want to, and I'm standing in line with him. He was so good. Did I threw him on my shoulders

Starting point is 00:28:39 and just waited, we waited the whole time to get up there. By this time, the movie time is hit. It's already 240. I'm still in line to get the popcorn. I get all the popcorn. I get a popcorn. I get a water. I get a diet coke. And then the general manager see him and everybody, everybody was talking to him because they think he's such a cute fucking great kid. And so he's because he's behaving so well right in a place like this. And they're trying to give him a bunch of free stuff. He's like, oh, does he like bananas? Serpie. I'm like, oh, he's never had anything like that. And so the guy gives him free stuff.

Starting point is 00:29:06 I don't want that shit every time. So much. He gives him a free slurpee and he's trying to give him candy. I'm like, nah, we're good, we're good. I got some of those, you know, basically glorified candy, the fruit snack gummy things, which pretty much fucking. The drawer can. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:21 Basically, basically glorified gummy bears. You know what I was saying, right? So I grab those. So I'm like completely, my hands are full, diaper bags on me every night, and I tell him, I'm like, you gotta take the tickets. You gotta give the tickets for daddy because daddy's hands are full.

Starting point is 00:29:34 Okay, so he walks right up and hands the guy the tickets and he scans it, gives him back to him. We walk in the theaters, and he's so funny because he's just like, you know, looking all over the place people are behind him They got everybody was being patient. So I'm so glad I didn't have any rude people and I'm like, come on Some we gotta let like I let people go. Okay, so he comes up. We got pop them in his seat And now I'm like like full on like get everything my wallet and keys out

Starting point is 00:29:58 I got set that over there. I got to get his water up here Oh my god, we're wedging the popcorn perfect and I'm like playing defense You know, I'm saying? Like get ready for like, okay, my son gonna be like a handful to watch this movie. And finally, we get all situated and sit down and he fucking sits down and watches the whole thing. Wow. Whole thing. I mean, literally halfway through at one point, I picked him up and actually sat him in my lap. So I wedged the popcorn in between my seat like this.

Starting point is 00:30:25 And so for half the movie, he's laying on my chest with his legs all up, watching. Oh, it was so great. It was so cute too, because I don't know if you guys saw the picture or whatever. Yeah. He held the tickets like the whole movie. So he got he did the tickets. They gave him back to him and he never let go of the tickets. It's hilarious.

Starting point is 00:30:43 Yes, he's this whole thing. He probably thought you had you hold it to stay. I know. You got something you could do with him. I was ready to go the next morning, but I felt so bad because I didn't want to leave Katrina out of it. I'm telling you, I was so ready to take him to the movies again because he was so good. And he's never even sat through a whole cartoon or movie at home.

Starting point is 00:31:01 Yeah. So I was not. I was already prepared. I'm like, I told Katrina, I was like, the way it all went out, I was like, it was a matinee, nobody was there. I figured, I didn't even tell you because I was like, you know what, he's gonna wanna go.

Starting point is 00:31:12 And that's okay, I lose 30 bucks or 20 something bucks, whatever it was, whatever, just to test it, right? And see what it's gonna be like. Plus 30 feet in here, if that's 30 minutes, it's fun. Yeah, that's what I thought. That's like, even if I get 30 minutes, that was a new experience, whatever. Like, I had already made, already told myself that going into it.

Starting point is 00:31:28 Bro, he was so good. Bro, I didn't make it. There's kids that were noisy in there. He wasn't distracted. He wasn't talking. He was just into it. Oh, so I did that with my older kids right around that age and they did the same thing.

Starting point is 00:31:41 And then we developed this, it's like a thing that dad does with them. Until this day, we all love going to the movie. And I grew up that way. But my, so, Aralius, we took when he was 19 months, which is early to try watching a full movie. So we were prepared like, and the bet was, I told Jessica, no way he makes it past 25 minutes.

Starting point is 00:32:00 She said, I bet you he'll make it past 25. So I was the bet. 25 was the break. You see what happens? He made it an hour and I was the bet 25 was the break you see what happens He made it an hour and 10 minutes didn't watch the whole movie at that point though He started getting loud so then we took him out. Yeah, but an hour and 10 minutes I can't believe it and you know why he stopped we ran out of popcorn now. I know Bring more popcorn

Starting point is 00:32:19 Yeah, you know what actually ended up working to my favor was The line that we had to stand in to get the popcorn. So the anticipation of going up there to buy the stuff was entertaining for them because it was on my shoulders. We wanted to do that. And because we were like late to going into the movie, you know, the first like 20 minutes of the movie is all preview crap. Anyways, yeah. So it was actually good that I, and now I know I'm like, you know what? I'm actually just going to show up like five minutes late because you have your seats reserved anyways So he doesn't have to sit through like luckily I he didn't have to sit the 30 minutes before the movie even starts because then that would have probably been a little more challenging

Starting point is 00:32:54 Because they don't only play cartoons or playing other stuff during that and commercials That would have probably been hard but because it was like the cartoon like almost right away and it was funny too because But it's immersive too. It's the sound. He's ever been to the first like the first like three like parts where the you know speakers were loud you know and the surround sound hit on like some parts. He jumped but he wasn't scared. It was just like kind of startled him that it was so loud and he stuck with it.

Starting point is 00:33:21 Dude I go back to my original argument with that man. I swear like it's not going away. It may be novel, more novel, like going, but you see all the studios now, is removing a lot of the streaming options immediately for these blockbuster movies coming out. They want people in the theaters, they want them in the seats,

Starting point is 00:33:38 and then, you know, to highlight. I agree, I don't think it's disappearing. I think it's always gonna be like the experience destination thing. But I don't think it's disappearing. I think it's always gonna be like the experience destination thing. But I don't think it's gonna be like what it used to be where you had to go. Oh, reignited it for me. 100%. I mean, I was on the argument on the other side of like, and I for myself or for Katrina and I, I'm like, whatever, I'd almost rather be home.

Starting point is 00:33:59 But for him, I mean, I watched him the whole movie. Yeah. I was like so into him. He's just something to do. Into him watching an experience that I watched him the whole movie. Yeah, I was like so into him. He had to listen to him. Into him watching an experience that I was actually the movie, so that was cool. The only reason why I would personally, for me, without my kids, wanna go more to a movie to the movies than stay at home,

Starting point is 00:34:17 is if there's some kind of nostalgic, like if it's like a movie that I'm like, oh my God, it's a new matrix or Lord of the Ring. Like something like that, the anticipation is different. Like I'm in. Yeah, but most of the time I'd rather watch it at home. Yeah. They also have, I don't care what brand

Starting point is 00:34:34 and what they have, they just have never been able to replicate true movie popcorn too. Yeah. It's a liquid, like formula. There is, it's a liquid butter. Maybe, whatever it is, it's a liquid butter. Maybe. Whatever it is, it's not take the one you do at home. And I tried to like melt my own butter and do all this.

Starting point is 00:34:50 Like just does not, just never amounts to the same thing to me. Well, yeah, well speaking of unique and different experiences, like I got reminded of, it was pretty funny. I hung out with my parents a bit too, you know, over when I was hanging out by myself, because I was just like, well, you know, I guess I'll hang out with my parents for a bit. Hey, mom, can you come over? Yeah, they're like, do you come over?

Starting point is 00:35:11 And you like, you know, my family was gone and there's just like any opportunity where they can kind of pull me to catch up. Yeah. And so I was like, all right, I'll come over. And so we kind of started like riffing about old stories and things and like it came up when I used to be in a band in Chicago and we were like this crazy heavy metal band and they reminded me which I totally forgot about this time where it was mother's day and like I had already had like all these shows lined up because I was booking a lot of them in the band that was sort of my role. I was like, you know, trying to market promoters and all that stuff. And so we had this like show downtown Chicago and it happened to land on Mother's Day and

Starting point is 00:35:52 my mom and my dad were in town to see me, you know, in Chicago. And so I was like, yeah, come on. Let's, you know, so I literally like brought them to the show, like not even thinking about like how ridiculous like our music is, right? And like how much my parents say, it's like Dale's a chalkboard for this, but like my mom is very much like wanted to help.

Starting point is 00:36:16 And so like she was like video taping it with this old like VHS camera. And on the bottom it kept flashing like, Mother's Day, Mother's Day. Did you watch the video again? So I, she was trying to find it for me. I haven't seen it yet, but I don't want to see it. But like we came in hot and we were, we were obnoxious and we were annoying.

Starting point is 00:36:34 And it's like, it was so funny because I'm like picturing my parents just sitting there and it's like, yeah. Do you have old footage of you in the band like that? Yeah. Oh my God, you have to say that. Yeah, I do. Bring it in. So it, it was like nobody was Yeah, oh my God, you have to say that. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. So it was like nobody was there.

Starting point is 00:36:47 I remember that it was a really weird day. It was like, there was some crazy accident that like nobody could get to the show. So everybody came really late to the show and it was like, you were really humid, hot and all this stuff and it was just like, all this weird energy there. But my mom's sitting up front, you know, with this VHS like, film and VHS, like,

Starting point is 00:37:05 come on, film enough, like, like screaming and roll on the ground. Come on, stupid shit. You're a dad, bro. If you see your kid do something that they've worked hard at and they're proud of, and it's something that you're not into, like let's say, I don't know, your son's like doing ballet

Starting point is 00:37:20 and he's actually pretty good at it. And that's not something you're equivalent. You're always, you're still your kid, you know? You're still gonna be like, I mean, you know? You're still gonna be there. I mean, you say that, that's a good dad. I mean, I think that there's not a lot of Paris, I would probably say. Well, I know you guys are good dads to sit in through that.

Starting point is 00:37:30 Like, I totally get that, you guys would do that. Oh, but I mean, they're definitely chiming in of like, they're a little, you know, like, oh my god, my ears were hurting and ringing. Dude, when my son did robotics, I had no, I didn't know what the hell robotics was. I didn't do nothing of it, but when I went to go watch it, you better believe it. I was like, I'm gonna buy the t-shirt.

Starting point is 00:37:48 Yeah, I'm gonna have a flag. I'm thinking, I don't know what this is, but do I get to wave a flag or something to support? Yeah, exactly. It was funny, I was talking to all the dads. It was talking to the ribbon. I was talking to all the dads of the other kids doing robotics, and they're all like,

Starting point is 00:38:01 they're all like tech geniuses and tech people. And they're like, so what do you do? And I'm like, I'm in fitness. I don't know what they're all like, they're all like tech geniuses and tech people. And they're like, so what do you do? And I'm like, I'm in fitness. I don't know what they're doing right now, but it's here to do through. I feel like that change is so because you're probably, at that point, you're probably in your 20s, right? You're not a teenager, are you?

Starting point is 00:38:13 Yeah, you're in your 20s. So that's a little bit different, right? It's like one thing like supporting your kid doing ballet, gymnastics, robotics, what are that. But then they hit that 20 year old mark where they're gonna go off and do whatever the hell they want. I mean, how many, okay, how many of your family members listen to God damn show?

Starting point is 00:38:27 To our show? Yeah. Oh, not my immediate. Yeah, my mom did. To my mom did. Courtney really? My mom did. My mom did.

Starting point is 00:38:34 And that was like late to the party. Late to the party. And I've sent them, they'll only listen to like Bishop Baron or like one of the, you know, more, my family really religious. And that was like the whole thing. Like we talked about this for a, so that was my spin too, by the whole thing like we talked about this for a,

Starting point is 00:38:45 so that was my spin too by the way. So we were in a metal band, but we were also like playing a lot of churches and we were like, what? Yeah, yeah, we would like practice in the chapel at my college and like these, these people would come out that were like, you know, studying through seminary

Starting point is 00:39:03 to become like preachers and everything. We were playing really like borderline satanic stuff. Wow. But with a spin, a positive spin. And so I was trying to like, you know, this love you. It wasn't that obvious, dude. It was just more uplifting. But yeah, I was like, and I was trying to sell my dad on that. Like, this is kind of like a ministry.

Starting point is 00:39:26 You know, these kids, these, you know, these youth that are like really struggling and, you know, we're gonna fight fire with fire. We're going out into the world and, you know, and so he was always like, I just didn't see it. No, my mom, right out the gates, listen to our show, which you guys know what our episodes used to be like early on. So she did, I don't know if you remember you. She did. And then she stopped because it's too much. She just like, I don't know if I want to know all the stuff you guys are talking about. But she did listen. I think my mom started to, and then she stopped for like really quick.

Starting point is 00:39:58 You did. I only took a couple episodes for her to be like, I can't listen. You want to know how you want to know how I have. So I have cousins and family members that I don't you know They're just they're distant in the sense that I don't ever I don't talk to them. I'm talking for a long time But we're family. Yeah, and I get messages from them because I was on Relevant radio, which is a Catholic. Oh, yeah, it's a so they wanted me on to talk about fitness But they are a Catholic syndicated radio show. So not like recorded podcasts,

Starting point is 00:40:27 actual radio show where they're like, okay, you're gonna be on in five, four, three, like that type of deal. So I have cousins calling my parents going, oh, congratulations on your son. And they're like, what? Oh, I heard him on relevant radio. I'm always like, you've been doing it for like seven years.

Starting point is 00:40:41 Yeah. But I heard him on the church channel. Yeah, it's like you to go into their pool. You got to, then they're like, wow, you're a big deal. Dude, I got to tell you guys this story that maybe Doug's I'm going to like on my tell, but it's hilarious. So I brought, no, dude, it's hilarious. So I'm not going to tell too many details because I don't want this person to be called

Starting point is 00:41:00 out. Friend of mine. Okay. Friend of mine, hilarious story. So him and his wife were getting kind of, you know, frisky with each other or whatever and they pull out the sex toys and she goes to use a penis pump on them. So people, no penis pump goes on a penis,

Starting point is 00:41:18 it's a vacuum, whatever. I think it's self-explanatory. Yeah, yeah. He puts it on. Okay, you tattooed it, there's like this lever. Yeah, like a preacher and self-explanatory. Yeah, yeah. He puts it on. Okay, you tattooed his leg. Yeah, lever. Yeah, like a preacher. It's a complex plan.

Starting point is 00:41:29 You're rolling. Go ahead, though. There's a picture of a nice to me right now. Yeah, yeah. So she does it on him. Turns, you know, it starts hitting the pressure or whatever. Okay, okay. And the something happened where it got caught on his like his

Starting point is 00:41:48 His sack and his ball went through Yes, so because the whole I can he was trying to explain to me the whole at the bottom where you know Your penis goes through whatever. It's kind of small Well, the pressure was so much that it sucked his ball through so that he says bro It's like I got kicked in the nuts and And then he goes, and then I'm like freaking out, she takes off the pressure, but now I got to pull it back through the other end, he goes, we're still together, he's like that ruined everything. I was dying of like, I cannot imagine how this must have been.

Starting point is 00:42:17 And he's, I'm like, did you hear it? And he goes, oh, she heard it. Boop. I don't know if I've ever known anybody to actually use that as like a sex toy. That's a straight one. That's the guy that's using it to like either help with erectile dysfunction or actually on the mission. People use anything.

Starting point is 00:42:34 Absolutely. People use anything. Just grab it. That's true. Is there anything that people haven't used for sex? Yeah. Come on now. You've seen ER rooms.

Starting point is 00:42:43 Yeah. But yeah, he was like, dude, he goes, it's like I got kicked in the nuts. And then the best part was when he was like, I'm like, oh shit, you know, but then she turned off the pressure, you're okay, he goes, no bro, he goes, it took 10 minutes to pull it back out the other end.

Starting point is 00:42:54 Oh my God. Because it's such a tight, like there's a ring or whatever he's trying to explain, it's like there's a ring. And he goes, and the pressure is what pulled it through. And he goes to get it back out the other end, he goes, like, he goes eventually, I kind of had to use scissors to try and figure out to cut this thing.

Starting point is 00:43:08 Oh my God. Terrible. I'm like, sorry, bro, sorry. Yeah. You were finally going to get seven. They just went across my legs. Yeah, it didn't work out for you. Anyway, along those lines,

Starting point is 00:43:18 along those lines this year, more. So it's been reading and watching lately. So this may be a little sad, but did you guys know that THC, if that have studies, this is now the second study, I think it's come out that show this THC affects gene transcription or the way genes are expressed in your sperm.

Starting point is 00:43:41 So a man who smokes a lot of weed, or consumes a lot of weed with a lot of THC, he will get his woman pregnant and risks for certain things go up because it changed his sperm. What are the risks? More neurological issues, more behavioral type issues. So things that have to do with brain development, because of that, because it changes the sperm. How shitty is that? It sounds very correlation, not causation type of deal. No, that's okay. So here, I'm glad you said that. So one of the challenges with studies on certain things like this is there's a healthy or non-healthy user bias.

Starting point is 00:44:21 Right, right. So like people who are more likely to, you know, be able to smoke weed, also eat like shit or lazy, don't exercise right? Therefore, yeah. No, they've connected it to the THC. Oh, interesting. And THC itself affects that. Now, on the flip end of that,

Starting point is 00:44:35 CBD seems to, in other cases, mitigate some of it. Midagate some of it. And CBD doesn't work the same. There's a CB1 and CB2 receptors that cannabinoids will attach to. CBD doesn't attach to either one, but what CBD does is somehow allow your body

Starting point is 00:44:53 to utilize its own natural endocannabinoids more effectively. This is why CBD's got really good therapeutic effects, whereas THC, farm work, Q, and then lots of potential negatives. So if you want to gain the benefit of cannabinoids, and let's say you've read that, oh, weed helps with anxiety, depression, inflammation, go with the other cannabinoids, stay away from the THC, unless you need something to Q.

Starting point is 00:45:18 Well, what do you think about this? And you're the one who actually taught me this, and I normally have gummies, I don't have gummies to do it now, so I just use the the net, the full spectrum instead. But you were the one that that and this was before this study. Yes. You had shared before about the positive things of CBD, the negative things that we've seen potentially with THC. And so just for a safe precaution, you've always told me try and keep it a one to one ratio. Yes. So when I would now what I do is like, I just have a habit of like,

Starting point is 00:45:46 oh, if I'm going to smoke or I'm going to take this edible, that's high in THC, then I also take the full spectrum hemp or I take a gummy that's high in CBD to try and counter. Yes, because they'll show that the short term memory loss effects that come from a lot of THC, a lot of that gets mitigated if you combine it with other cannabinoids. So I highly recommend that.

Starting point is 00:46:09 And for people who want the benefits of cannabinoids, but don't want any of those potential negatives, like if you're not just trying to get high, if you want to, you know, for inflammation, for anxiety, for that kind of stuff, go with, you know, hemp oil extracts, really good quality one. I mean, we work with a company called Ned. It's the best one I've ever seen or tried. It's the best one I've ever seen tested. They do third party testing.

Starting point is 00:46:33 Go with that because you're not getting the THC, you're getting all the other benefits. So those negatives, probably not gonna show up. At least so far in studies we've seen. That's actually how, so I've, you know, originally when we first worked with them, this was before they had their mellow product. Anyway, I'd use it at nighttime a lot.

Starting point is 00:46:49 I've now become like every day I use the mellow before bed. So the, but what I use the now the full spectrum dropper for is exactly like I'm my preferred way of taking in THC is smoking joints, which I know is not ideal. But I also just make it a habit that I do a couple of those droppers when I sit down to do that to try and hopefully, I don't cancel some of that out. That's my thought. It just always reminds me with like plants how, you know, nature sort of has that balance already.

Starting point is 00:47:17 Like, it's tab is interesting. Yeah, and we like concentrate it, but then, you know, the antidote, you know, to treat it, but then the antidote to the negatives, like it's already there, we extracted it from it. And it's like, to try and get back to balance, it's. Well, natural marijuana used to, when it wasn't bread, to be like back in the 60s, it was like 6% 8%. It was very fast for me up if you ever heard, you see how it's funny, you talk to an old timer.

Starting point is 00:47:44 Oh, the stuff that we used to have back in the days was that was the real shit, but like get the fuck out of here. It was like no THC in it. Bro, it was so weak. It was so weak. We had to smoke like a couple joints. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:55 Yeah. I know, look, I know in my experience, when I really started researching it because I had a family member with cancer, I would go to the cannabis clubs, and these were legal cannabis clubs. So this is already a market above what I experienced as a kid when it was like full on a legal.

Starting point is 00:48:11 If you saw anything over 15% THC, that was a big deal. Go now. It's over 2022, 25. I've seen 30% THC. Like what the hell is going on? We keep breeding it to be super, super, super strong. Yeah, yeah, like what the hell is going on? We keep bringing it to be super super super strong Well, yeah, and then that's why that mark you got popular with all the waxes and stuff like that that everybody's doing I mean that stuff is like 70 80 90 even have 90 you're clear and so I think it's up in the high 90s like crazy

Starting point is 00:48:37 Oh, check when you're weak check this out. So this is just a stay on that negative tip so I'm gonna read to you guys Some studies have come out on the effects of the school closures on children that we did during the pandemic, which we've said since day one was a knee jerk fear based reaction that we all speculated would have far worse repercussions and sure enough it's what they're showing. So this is a quote, school closures in the US have had a devastating impact on children's mental health, development development and future earnings potential

Starting point is 00:49:06 And like we've said before it's not just now. It's what how it's gonna affect the future, right? According to data released last month by the National Center for Education Statistics 70% of US public schools have reported an increase in students seeking mental health services Okay, so 70% increase. Another study reported that mental stressors brought about by school closures, and they did some calculations here, would destroy about seven times more years of life than the lockdowns saved. In other words, however many infections are prevented and whatever, it was worse what we did with

Starting point is 00:49:44 the lockdowns. In its clear base, near New York kind of reaction. Crazy, this information is there, and it's readily available, and yet people still just don't want to hear it. And like still, you know, and it's a leadership problem. That's where I get the most fresh. I don't know, dude, I don't know if it's just a leadership thing. I don't know if you can blame this on fucking the presidency or who's running the government right now. It's like this conversation, I don't know if it's just a leadership thing. I don't know if you can blame this on fucking the presidency

Starting point is 00:50:05 or who's running the government right now. It's like this conversation, I had a really difficult conversation in the last month with like even my good friends who like we don't see eye to eye and a lot of stuff like that. It's like I can't even share like studies like this coming out. It's just they've, they've already doubled down so hard. It's hard to reverse that they agree with what we did before or thought it was the best thing. Bro, can I tell you guys the biggest like what's a huge objective?

Starting point is 00:50:31 You got to pull yourself out. It's crazy. These are like, this is intelligent people. I'm talking about too. Here's a huge like, you want to talk about reversal of public opinion. Five years ago, just five years ago, and before, you could not criticize on a national stage teachers. You could not, they couldn't touch teachers because they'd help our kids, they'd take care of our kids.

Starting point is 00:50:53 It was like, if you went up there and said, teachers are messing up, they're not doing a good job, like you wouldn't get elected, right? Okay, here's what happened during the pandemic. A lot of people saw how their teachers were teaching kids during it, didn't like it. So that's one, but here's the big one. The teachers unions were the ones that were pushing for the long, the public school teacher

Starting point is 00:51:10 unions. Definitely here in California that way. They were pushing the hardest for these lockdowns. Yeah. And a lot of people are upset about that. And that does not look good because you see the private school teachers were not doing that. Well, I mean, this is, it's probably because they didn't get paid if they

Starting point is 00:51:25 didn't go to work. So they're like, we need to open up. So this does not look good on teachers unions. And you're going to start to see now that that there's cracks in that particular voting block that you'd see in politics because we've needed to disrupt the education system for a long time anyways. I think so, but I think, whoa, that was, we really allowed our fear to take over and we did a lot of damage to our kids. Third rail now is even talking about the effectiveness of the vaccines. We can't even talk about that. Or even evaluate it or even be objective about it.

Starting point is 00:51:54 Yeah, because it's been so pushed. Yeah, well, I think it's gonna be very interesting over the next 10 to 15 years looking back. That's when we're gonna be able to say, I don't think it's that. Well, unfortunately, yeah, but it's a leadership issue to me because it's their responsibility to slow down

Starting point is 00:52:11 and evaluate long term, not just immediate knee jerk reactions like to appease them up. If true leadership leads you and reassures everybody, that this is a good plan long term. Doesn't get you elected. If you were up on stage,

Starting point is 00:52:28 I told you the other day, that's what Patrick Reddada was talking about. He said, man, that case. He said, he won't get you elected. So he said, like, if the right person, right, that made all those right. Shame on us, dude. For having no,

Starting point is 00:52:39 and that's where I put it back on us. Of course. And that's where I put it back on, like when I say, my friends and stuff like that, it's like, that's not, it's not leadership. And man, they want these people, they vote for Of course. And that's why I put it back on like when I say, my friends is about that. It's like there, that's not, it's not leadership. And they want these people, they vote for these people. Imagine a two politician.

Starting point is 00:52:50 Imagine if obesity was like the biggest national issue. Like everybody wants to vote on a B.C.D. Right? Which it should be, but it's not. But let's just say it was. And you had two politicians, one on stage going, all right, here's a deal guys, here's a solution to obesity. All of you are gonna have to make better choices with your nutrition. You're all going to have

Starting point is 00:53:07 to exercise more. You're going to have to make behavioral changes. And then the other politician goes, we're going to put forth a $3 trillion dollar solv obesity bill. Yeah, yeah. Who do you think is going to be elected? You just got to take three shots. That's all you have to do for whatever. Through all the imaginary money at it. Yeah, we're going to fund it in bio. By the way, you're you have to do for whatever. Through all the imaginary money at it. Yeah, we're gonna fund it in bottle, by the way, you're not gonna pay for the super rich or whatever, they're gonna say, we're gonna put money. But think about it, right?

Starting point is 00:53:30 Nobody wants to elect a person that's gonna say, hey, it's really scary thing that's happening right now. You guys all need to kind of like take your own risks and I don't think this is a smart idea because of whatever, it's the guy who gets elected or the girl who gets elected is the one that says, no, here's all the solutions to this, do that.

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Starting point is 00:54:38 can we help you? Hey, oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm on this show. I'm a new fan, new fan. So I love you guys and when my husband comes home and hears me talking or he usually listen to it, he's like, what are you listening to? I'm like, my broadcast. I really was later that that wasn't such a great term. They call you my bro's because of the bros science and all that. That's all right. We don't mind coming from you. What's your question? How can we help you? I have to find another term of endearment. Okay, so my question is trying to find the best way

Starting point is 00:55:18 for me to do a cut. So I have been working out consistently for about 15 years, but I did the whole higher up low eight taking classes that kind of thing and I'm 40 years old I'm five four and I'm currently around 117 or 118 and probably the beginning of this year I started listening to your podcast and reading books and realizing, oh wait, I should be eating tons of protein, I should be doing regress to overload and looking heavy and all that stuff. So I started that this year. But let's see, a couple years ago, I started cutting down on my calories to probably around 2000 calories a day

Starting point is 00:56:07 And I went from around 140 and I got down to 111 I was probably like not to hear 20% body fat I've been eating a little bit more because 2000 calories is Hard for me to maintain And I'm currently father at like 2250 But I'm paying you know six or seven of those pounds back and I know some of it is bad because my waist has gotten An inch or two bigger so

Starting point is 00:56:40 Yeah, I guess so my question is about doing a mini cut I'm starting to feel fluffy. In the years that I lost the weight, I had cut out starches. I thought that you were supposed to do that. I've recently added on that. But like I'm, and I've added creatin to my diet, but I'm starting to feel fluffy and I thought maybe I could do a mini cut because I really don't like being in a diet, but I'm starting to feel fluffy and I thought maybe I could do a mini-cut because I really don't like being in a cut, but I was thinking maybe decreased to about 1500 calories for maybe

Starting point is 00:57:14 four weeks. And then I was wondering as far as like the water weight goes when I think, which I kind of know the answer, I can think I know what you are going to say, but to tap into the fat stores in that short four-week period, should you try to get rid of the glycogen and the water weight by reducing carbs and creatin before you start your cut so that you're just tapping into fat stores? Yeah. You're overthinking it. Yeah. The answers now, um, creatine will help keep muscle while you cut.

Starting point is 00:57:49 So do not stop taking creatine because you're trying to get lean. And any water that you gain from creatine is intracellular. Mm-hmm. So it's just, it's in the muscle. It's in the muscle, which means they'll just feel more firm. Um, it's not the same thing as blow. So don't cut the creatine. Keep it, especially when you're

Starting point is 00:58:05 when you're dieting and you're cutting down. As far as a short cut is concerned, you can totally do that. You look very lean, you look really good. So I don't know how far do you want to go? Like, do you know what body fat percentage you want to aim for? I think I'm probably at 21%. Basically, I want to stay in my same pant size, but, man, if I could like eat 25 out of 100 calories a day, I have a big appetite. And even, I don't know how I'm going to even do 1500, because even 2000s are sometimes, you know. Yeah, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:58:44 Well, it sounds like the reverse diet angle is the direction which is good. And if you do a cut, I would do just a short mini cut and then go right back into a reverse diet. It sounds like the goal would be, can we get you up to 2,500 calories and maintain the body that you want? So I mean.

Starting point is 00:58:59 Yeah. So that's kind of what you'll end at the top that I feel fluffy now. I feel like I've put, you know, five, six, seven pounds on two and that. Yeah. What programmer are you following a verse right now? Don't yell at me. I don't.

Starting point is 00:59:18 There's another person that you had on your show that I actually got his part, his program first. I got his book. I heard about him before I heard y'all. So I was doing his, but I haven't got one of yours yet. Yeah, so no, yeah, we're gonna fix that this. If he's been on our show, he probably has a good program, but our program is always better. I'll send you one of ours. I think maps that a ball could be for you. Yeah, yeah. And you know, you can do a short cut if you want,

Starting point is 00:59:45 you look, you're 21% body fat, you're lean. I think, I mean, honestly, I think you should do a slow bulk. And yes. And in other words, slowly increase your college and try and build muscle. Now, the whole thing about feeling fluffy. So I've trained clients for a long time.

Starting point is 00:59:59 And whenever I hear a woman, especially when I can see them in front of me like you, say, I'm feeling fluffy, I'm always a little skeptical, not because I'm trying to say you don't feel that way, but building a little muscle, feeling a little fuller in terms of the glycogen and muscle, sometimes women can confuse that

Starting point is 01:00:17 with gaining body fat. Again, I can see you right now, you look lean, you look fit. So, I mean, and again, it's your body, so if you want to reverse out, kind of cut a little bit, that's totally fine, but mean, and again, it's your body, so if you want to reverse out, you know, kind of cut a little bit, that's totally fine, but 21% body fat, that's a great body fat percentage to be at. I've had the same experience with women,

Starting point is 01:00:32 and it's a lot of times it's like, when you put your jeans on, when you put the clothes on, it's a little tighter, but like, you know, as you're gaining muscle and building muscle, I guess, just gonna happen. Yeah, is your husband saying, man, you look good? Is he commenting on how you look and saying everything looks great? He doesn't. He like me. I just feel fluffy

Starting point is 01:00:52 in my belly because I've gained an inch or two. So I know that that's probably fat because I think I heard on your show like you don't gain size in your belly. So. Usually not, but also that could also be a lot of different things. It could be a bloat, it could be digestion, it could be a lot of different things. But nonetheless, I don't think there's anything wrong with doing like a four week, 1700 calorie cut. Well, we just sent you over a map's endabolic. If you were my client, what I would like to do,

Starting point is 01:01:23 because I actually would like you fed and calorie wise in phase one. So I would actually try and get you to increase calories a little bit for the first four weeks. And then when we moved to phase two, I'd let you do a little mini cut and then we'd go back to a surplus again in phase three. So that's what it would look like with me.

Starting point is 01:01:38 If we were to do this, we would run, I would try and get you to increase a couple hundred calories. So one to 200 calories a day from where you're at currently. So like 2350 or 2450 right and then and then follow maps and a ballic to a tee for phase one When we transition out of phase one and go into phase two, I would put you into a cut So now we would reduce your calories down maybe down to 2,000 or 1900 for that phase and then put you back up on the on back towards the increase On the final phase and see where you're, see where you're at. I would really like to see you just try and build some muscle right now. I think that is, if our ultimate goal is,

Starting point is 01:02:10 can we keep the size and look of kind of where you're at, but then feel a little bit leaner, but keep you, and, and, and also be able to eat like 2500 calories, then the ultimate goal is to speed your metabolism. Nothing is going to do that better than us building muscle. But the hard part, and I think the part that South's kind of alluding to is that the psychological part that you're gonna have to battle through as you're going. And it's the reverse for someone like me who was the, I was afraid of being skinny. So when I go on a cut, I freak out. As soon as I start looking smaller, smaller,

Starting point is 01:02:41 then I always wanna go back the other way, calorie-wise. When we're on this reverse diet, and I'm asking you to eat more calories, and you put on your jeans one day, and they feel a little tighter, not to freak out, and go, oh, I gotta go the other direction. In fact, the main thing I'd be communicating is, let's just focus on strength.

Starting point is 01:02:57 Let's just look at your lifts. Let's try and get stronger. That's our goal of this program with get stronger. Get stronger, get stronger. That's all I'm gonna speak to, while also trying to slowly increase calories. If we can increase calories by a few hundred and you can get stronger, I really don't give a shit about how your jeans feel temporarily.

Starting point is 01:03:13 I don't really don't give a shit about where the scale is saying up or down a couple pounds. That's what I want to hear. And then I would cut you from there and then get you to the exact size you want to be. That was gold. What he just told you was gold. I think if you followed that, I think you'd be very happy. Okay, can you do maps and a ball? I can't home all I have is a pair of select texts and like a ball.

Starting point is 01:03:34 I have a bar that you can put the select text on. The problem with squatting is I'm not strong enough to lift it over my head. Like if I put 50s on each side, legs can handle that, but I can't get in and out of position like that. So we have a dumbbell mod that comes with it. So there's a mod, modifications to you do it.

Starting point is 01:03:56 But now that you say that to me, so do you ever barbell back squat or deadlift? Have you ever, or, and it's, because you were, you told me you were like the high intensity class girl. So if you you not really done like a barbell lifting? Not really. I do free weights and then I've done classes. See, I would love to do that with, I mean, where you're already at with your experience, how good your physique already is. I mean, we have the dumbbell mod. Follow it. you're fine. But, yeah, if you joined a gym and followed

Starting point is 01:04:26 and did some barbell training, it would blow your mind. Yeah. Okay. But you don't have to, we have, the MAP Santa Ballac has the dumbbell mod, so you totally did to run it at home. I totally think everything we said still applies and you'll get great benefits from it.

Starting point is 01:04:40 But knowing your past, the type of training you've done in the past and what you're missing and kind of where you want to go as far as metabolism goes and sculpting your physique and everything, man, getting you to Barbell squat and deadlift would be just phenomenal for your body. Okay, there's a program that's a Christian God in there or... No, we don't do any inner because that's so individualized. I mean, even the conversation we're having right now, like what we're saying to you would be

Starting point is 01:05:09 completely different for somebody else who's running maps at a bulk. So there isn't that. What we can do is this is I'll have Doug throw you in the the private forum. So you have access to that. And in there, you have our community plus us floating around. So as you're going through when you're Manipulating your diet feel free to post and share and then get feedback there. Oh My gosh awesome. Thank you all so much. Thank you. Yeah, thank you You know, it's funny is After you train for so long there's certain key words that when I hear I know like, like, okay, let me, and the one of them is fluffy. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:46 When I hear a woman say, I feel fluffy, I'd say a decent chunk of the time, they're just uncomfortable with building a little bit of muscle or, you know, creating me, they're way go up two pounds because they have more interest, sell you the fluid and they freak out a little bit, you know what I mean? She looks so good already and the fact that she looks like that and she has never really experienced barbells. Oh, she would get blown away. So good already and the fact that she looks like that and she has never really experienced barbell. She would get blown away.

Starting point is 01:06:06 She would just, I mean, would be a fun client to train on a, like, little legit bulk. Like let's put some, let's, let's not worry about the jeans right now. Let's not worry about the scale. And I love the wrong. Yeah. Let's just see. Let's see where your squat is day one. And let's see where we can get it.

Starting point is 01:06:23 Let's see where your deadlift is. But she's already eating 2250 at her size and she's tiny and she in looking the way she does and her body fat percent. You know how much from a talisman can you ramped up? Yeah. I mean, she could be like 20 antarcalories, you know, no problem. She want to get up to what? 2500?

Starting point is 01:06:39 Yeah, easy. Easily. Easily. Our next caller is Brad from Indiana. Brad, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, what's up guys? First off, I just want to say this is awesome to be on here.

Starting point is 01:06:51 I was looking for a fitness podcast about a year and a half ago and I stumbled across to you guys. First 50 minutes, you guys are talking about like aliens and politics and I was like, I had to make sure I was listening to a business podcast. But you guys are amazing. So I just wanna say thank you for that. So basically, I'm five, 10, 22 years old, I'm 175 pounds now, and I'm about two years

Starting point is 01:07:22 off of playing College of Basketball. When I stopped playing basketball, I started doing these more high-perturbed fee bodybuilding style of training. It really carried over to the basketball court. I still play in Open Gyms and in Leagues. I find myself driving into the lane and really putting shoulder into guys, moving guys, and it really helped out my basketball. I've never been in a better position in basketball while I was. So my question is, why do you think I've seen so much carryover to the basketball

Starting point is 01:07:57 court by doing more of a split hypertrophy, mind muscle connection, style of training. And then the second part would be, you know, I aspire to be a basketball coach and a strength trainer and we're going to be bad for me to want to incorporate this style of training into my athletes. No, it's a great question. And this is a, I told you, muscle, I totally remember this, going to this, right? So I'd never lifted the at all really going through high school played basketball too. And I was a better basketball player in my mid 20s than I was when I was playing organized ball because I built all this muscle and I wasn't playing as much basketball. Uh, but it was my frame was missing that I was missing that size and strength. And so that's what you're

Starting point is 01:08:42 seeing right now translate on the court is you've got the skills, you've been playing ball for so long that you've already got great skills in the sport, what your body was missing was that strength and size. And the explosiveness, like I could dunk the basketball with way more authority in my mid-twenties than I could when I was 17, 18, playing basketball every day. So I could totally relate to that.

Starting point is 01:09:03 And I remember thinking like, God damn, I missed out by not training like this when I was younger and incorporating it. So absolutely. And it just goes to show that if you're always doing like strength driven type of workouts and you haven't actually like gone and changed up and shook it up in terms of like the style of training, like there's a lot of carryover and translation in terms of like the style of training. Like there's a lot of carryover and translation in terms of like the benefits of seeking a different adaptation. So, you know, your body given this,

Starting point is 01:09:31 getting this novel stimulus and also gaining size and strength, you know, is definitely going to contribute towards a better well-rounded athlete. So, you know, a lot of the times it's the opposite is the case too, like with bodybuilders and that never do any kind of powerlifting or never do any kind of, you know, functional training. So there's just, you know, we get in these camps and I think that, you know, that's what we always try to dress on the show.

Starting point is 01:09:56 Now, I'm going to be the turd in the punch bowl here. So I'm going to give you some caveats here, okay? Because what you just experienced is great, but what I don't want you to do is marry what happened, and then apply it as a coach to every athlete. Because strength, when you sacrifice skill, isn't very valuable when it comes to sports. So if you're basketball skill decreased,

Starting point is 01:10:15 but you're bigger and stronger, you're gonna be not as effective on the court. So remember that as a coach, so don't trade strength for skill. Number two, you did a bodybuilding style workout, which made you bigger and stronger, which is better than what you were doing before, but sport-specific functional training is even better than that. Okay, so if you're training basketball players and the option is zero strength training and bodybuilding, bodybuilding is better than zero,

Starting point is 01:10:38 but what's better than bodybuilding is more specific type of training for those athletes for their sport. So there's gonna be more functional, there's gonna be things like is more specific type of training for those athletes for their sport. So it's gonna be more functional. There's gonna be things like isometrics and plyometrics. You're focused more on movement than you are on mind muscle connection for the most part. So consider that when you are coaching other people. Well, think of it too like this.

Starting point is 01:10:58 So the majority of what you're gonna focus on is a sport specific training, but you know, in terms of phasing So this is why we face through our programming You're gonna lean heavily on that and come back to it, but you're gonna interrupt it with hypertrophy style training And this is what I do with my athletes And they did receive a lot of benefit from that because You know to besides that like it like mass building is is a part of that in terms of certain sports more than others.

Starting point is 01:11:25 If it's something that is going to benefit your specific sport, which basketball being very explosive, you're going to be shouldering people, you're going to have to get positions. So, being able to have a bit of mass in strength in those positions is going to be beneficial. Absolutely. And then, when you notice that you were bigger and heavier, but you could move better, because your strength or rate ratio got better. And the reason why I'm communicating that is because it could also go in the other way. Right.

Starting point is 01:11:55 So the example, that would be comparing what I was saying at, when I was 24, 25, after just a couple of years of strength and then me at 30, me at 30 was not better. Because you were a bodybuilder. Because I've been, I continued to keep bodybuilding and bodybuilding, and then eventually, that my physique looked way better, but then it took away from my skill. So I can't move at, you know, my late 20s to 30

Starting point is 01:12:16 as I did in my mid 20s, and that's why that was was like you. I played so much basketball. I had already acquired the skill. I had no real strength training. I started strength training like a bodybuilder, just like you, and the carry over to that, like translated to the court, but then fast forward two, three, four more years later,

Starting point is 01:12:33 and now the skill starts diminishing, and I become more and more of a bodybuilder. It's about strength to weight ratio, right? So if you double your strength, but you triple your body weight, you're actually weaker as an athlete, does that make sense? So even though you got stronger. Okay. So keep that in mind when you train yourself and other athletes and that'll guide you in the right direction. Okay. And part of the reason I'm asking this question is like, I remember

Starting point is 01:12:59 our style of training that we did in high school and in college. And it was very explosive like split snatch. And but like they would take like a traditional like bilateral shoulder press on a bench. And they would turn it into this like get into a split stance launch. And then you might have a kettlebell. And then somebody might be punching your abs while you're doing it or something like that.

Starting point is 01:13:22 And that's great for like that's great great for like balance and like, and I understand all that. But in terms of actually building a 3D more rounded dealt, like I didn't really feel like it helped. No. And for like a hard gainer like me and like a lot of high schoolers, especially at my high school, I feel like they could have benefited so much more from doing like, like, like you best call athletes, ever going to do like basis, like you know, basketball athletes

Starting point is 01:13:45 are ever gonna do like a rear delt fly, right? That's a good throw and spaghetti at the wall. Yeah, no, you, you're, where your head is at, you get you, you're, you're, you're thinking in the right direction. Actually, that split stance press with someone punching your stuff is stupid as fuck. That was like a terrible idea.

Starting point is 01:14:00 No matter how they try to just. This is just too far and it is. It's throwing everything at everything. Yeah, and your, and those athletes would have, to Justin's point, totally benefited from a phase of just pure strength training. Just pure traditional squatting, deadlifting, overhead pressing, even though that it looks nothing like a move on basketball, but because those young athletes have none of that foundational strength

Starting point is 01:14:24 or they lack that, they would get great carryover by running a phase of just pure good old strength training with your basic compound lifts. That's right. Right. That makes sense. Yep. All right, man.

Starting point is 01:14:39 Thanks for calling in. All right. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah. I'm glad you said what you said about your experience. Yeah, because you could I mean because he's Experiencing like oh my god, it's amazing, but I can already you know, I could you know see that oh he falls in love No, it's a bell curve like you're like you're explaining it and I remember like because my intention had nothing to do with basketball

Starting point is 01:14:57 I you know, I left playing basketball in high school and now I'm in my 20s and I'm on this mission to build a physique and I'm like Trying to build as much muscles. I can't I'm still I'm actually around 20s and I'm on this mission to build a physique. And I'm like trying to build as much muscles I can. I'm actually around his weight and everything, a little bit taller and skinnier. And I go to play basketball one day and just recognize how explosive I'm on the court and strong and I'm like, what the fuck? Like I'm not even playing basketball right now.

Starting point is 01:15:21 But I was lacking that. I never squatted in high school. I never deadlifted in high school. I never did any of those functional, strength type movements, and they do have great carry over to the sport. Well, this is so nuanced because you get benefit from that right away.

Starting point is 01:15:37 And so then you want to kind of lean further into that, thinking that hypertrophy, this is what was missing. And so now this is really benefiting my sport, there's a window to this. So if this was something like to your point of having the skill already to then build on top of that, made a huge difference in comparison to a body builder, let's say that just keeps body building

Starting point is 01:15:57 and then tries to do athletics. So in terms of just single joint focus and not having that kind of movement focused style training where, you know, you need to get the body to be in symphony, okay? And, and so this is just one of those things. The difference of athletic training is you need to be able to get, you need to be able to organize every part of your body at one time. And so that, that is the highest priority. And now, what we do is, is, you know, we phase this through so you get benefits of other styles of training, but very briefly.

Starting point is 01:16:27 Yeah. We always come back to that. Our next caller is Matt from Florida. Matt, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, just a pleasure to be here. First things first, I want to ask Justin, how he grew such a magnificent beard.

Starting point is 01:16:41 Tiny beard. He likes to keep a tiny beard. It's my mama. I got it from my mama. You got your beard from your mom. Wow. Wow. Shot splired, mom. You know, it happens. I before you guys have helped me do some tough times. The last few months have been tough. Just like I'm a college student. So just stuff gets crazy. But the one confidence that been listening to you guys every day. So I really appreciate it. So the premise of my question, you guys have probably

Starting point is 01:17:09 read it. But over the past year and a half, 15 months about, I've increased my bit of tables and from 2800 to like 4700. Wow. I know that sounds like kind of insane. Like you'd think like, oh, you probably just like look, sloppy now, but I've gained a good amount of size and I've stayed fairly lean.

Starting point is 01:17:29 I think I've had reverse body this more if you have this whole time because my friends are starting to be like, oh, you're not really that lean. You could still see like four of my abs so I could still consider myself like leaner than pretty much most of the population. So basically where the problem lies is that right now

Starting point is 01:17:47 I'm in running maps in a ball, like I'm in phase one. But I'm doing a powerlifting meet in December. So I wanted to obviously power lift, it would be to my benefit to be in a surplus. But I feel as if I bulked throughout anabolic, my metabolism is going to be above 5K. Once I end up highlighting it with school starting, it's just going to be like kind of astronomical to actually try to eat in a surplus when my metabolism is cranked up that high.

Starting point is 01:18:21 You also got a question for me at first. Did you just get back from Mardi Gras or a spiritual retreat? I like you in Italy, but I wish I was at Mardi Gras. Okay, I just wanted to clear that out. No, okay. So wait, you want to start the prep in eight weeks or the meat is in eight weeks. Let me get that clear. So I, so I wish I knew the exact date because I was looking into buying powerlifts. I have anabolic and op powerlifts and the weeks don't really coincide as well.

Starting point is 01:18:50 That's another question. But the meat isn't December. I don't know when yet. Okay. So we have plenty of time. So I actually would run a cut right now. So why don't, yeah, why don't you run like four weeks? Yeah, run a cut right now and then Doug will give you a maps power lift. So we'll shoot map, we'll shoot maps power lift. And then go on a bulk with it. Yeah, and then go on a bulk. Do you know what, wait, class, you're trying to compete in? I'm on a scene. No, because this I literally, you guys are the only reason I started. Barbell Benchink squatting deadlifting like literally I used to listen to all these influencers. I'm not going to them, besides like Greg or Seth. They told me all you don't need to do all these movements

Starting point is 01:19:27 and stuff. You just like, you don't have to be in a surplus tub, game muscle, they just told me all this like bullshit that really that you guys debunked on a daily basis. So I would've just started the big three whiffs like a few months ago. So I'm really just competing against myself, like whatever weight class I'm in,

Starting point is 01:19:44 I don't expect to score high, rank high or whatever, but as long as I PR, it's me versus me at the end of the day. Yeah, great attitude. Yeah, I have four week cut. You drop your, you have 4700, which is incredible. So I'd bring it down to like 4,000, 3,800, because you have so much room to go for four weeks.

Starting point is 01:20:03 After that, go on NAS PowerLift and then start bumping calories Slowly from there and then see what happens But that's a great great great place to be great attitude to about it. Yeah No, I appreciate that where what type of program? I know I'm in anabolic and I literally I finished the first foundational work out of phase one on Monday So and obviously in a cut, just gaining strength isn't going to be really the best thing,

Starting point is 01:20:30 or the most likely thing. So do you recommend, this obviously isn't recommended to any people listening to this of your viewers, but would you recommend going forward to the phase three or the muscle pump part of anabolic just so I can Like kind of speed through no and then No, no, no, so so the way power I know how power lift is laid out right is so power lift is gonna follow

Starting point is 01:20:57 Phase one really well because with power lift it actually ends Kind of like phase one So go ahead and do maps and a ball, phase one, do it for four weeks with the cut, then jump into maps, power lift, and start bumping your calories. It would be a great transition. So don't even go into phase two and three of,

Starting point is 01:21:14 no, you don't want him to finish in a ball. He's in a long ways before December, bro, is the power lift. Yeah, I know, but I trust my, I wish I could, but I was doing it. How long is power lift again? I think it's three months. Yeah, he's going to be. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, you want. Okay. So what I would have to go. You need to find out when the meat is. Okay. Ideally, the way power lift is written, it's written to take you right into a meat. So that's the idea. So we need to kind of get in somewhat of an idea of when you this week backwards schedule. Yeah,

Starting point is 01:21:43 and reverse the schedule. And so then you go, okay, I want my last week, basically, of powerlifting in the week before I go to my meet. So then, so then back those weeks out, the program, I believe, is eight is it eight or nine weeks? I think it's nine weeks. Yeah, it's eight or nine weeks long. So back it out that way. And then, if, and then from there, how much time do we have told to now, to now, which I think you were going to have enough time to run another program. Yeah. You can build a run all the way through.

Starting point is 01:22:09 That's a good job. Yeah. So you should be able to run all of Annabelle at timeline pretty close, if not all of it, and then run into then maps power lift. Yeah. And it doesn't matter that you're in phase one with a cut. It just keep it as it is. Yeah. You just, and I think you already have a good attitude about things. Obviously, you understand that if you're in a cut, that you're likely not gonna be hitting PRs, so what? Train like you're trying to, right?

Starting point is 01:22:31 Train like you're trying to build muscle, train like you're trying to get stronger, recognize you're in a deficit, and so there's, because you might, sometimes you do, good programming and following and being consistent, I've seen it happen in young guys where they actually even in a cut get stronger. It's not impossible. So especially if you get better at the skill, you are a relatively new squatter deadlifter overhead pressing guy. So you actually it's not surprising to see someone

Starting point is 01:22:57 like you get stronger even in a cut because that is those are such skilled movements that just you getting better at the skill, you get better at your lifts. So don't be surprised if you do, but you don't, it doesn't matter because that's not your focus. Your focus is to get cut, get lean while you're on it, and then you go to your bulk when you switched to power. We'll send Math power lift over to you, okay, Matt?

Starting point is 01:23:19 All right, yeah, awesome. I appreciate that. I think I'll be able to either maintain or even somehow improve strength because I've never done full body before. I've always done, I'll be able to either maintain or even somehow improve strength because I've never done Full body before I've always done I started Yeah, I was full extra week and I scaled that down to five and then four days upper lower split And I'm really excited to full body because I think I there's just like a stimulus there that I can tap and so that I never really

Starting point is 01:23:38 Experience 100% excellent. Well, I'm glad you're listening to us and not other people with high pitch voices Yeah, no you guys trust me You guys have been blessing and if there's anyone listening that's like well, I don't know if I should trust these guys These guys have changed my life And it's like a blessing to even talk to you guys right now. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you Having going guys Yeah, I mean, I mean great. I didn't even consider the time. He could totally run the program Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, consider the time. He could totally run the program. Oh yeah, yeah. It's not to back and he'd be so, you know, totally set.

Starting point is 01:24:07 I find it interesting that people still, that people would advise people to not do barbell lifts. I don't know. It's because it's click baity right now, dude. I know. It's because it's click baity. I mean, this goes back to the conversation that we had, and you know what,

Starting point is 01:24:17 perfect example of what we had that little friendly good debate with Eugene Tao on our show, like me or that. Yeah, it's just, he is a, what I, when we talk about barbell deadlifting and squatting, he is the avatar, he is the kid I'm thinking about because all these influence and people are telling me opposite and they gravitate towards that. You know why?

Starting point is 01:24:38 Because squatting is hard. Yeah, exactly. And so it's like, oh, I don't need it. You know, this influencer who looks jacked and looks awesome is telling me it's not that important. There's a thing you do. So you avoid it. And then guess what happens?

Starting point is 01:24:49 You finally find us. We convince you it's something for you and it changes your life. You start getting, so you start squatting and deadlifting. Also, you pack on more muscle. You build a faster metabolism. You've ever built your life. Oh, wow, look at that.

Starting point is 01:25:01 That's strange. Our next color is Mateo from Georgia. Mateo, how's it going, man? How can we help you? Hey, guys. Appreciate you having me on today. Like everyone, I just want to start by saying thanks for everything you guys do. I've been listening for about six months and I found you guys for six months, go, and

Starting point is 01:25:20 listening pretty religiously ever since. So the fitness content, obviously awesome, but really the other content, it's what I wanted to say thanks for. So I had my son about six months before I found you guys and kind of struggling with the new parent thing. And so here and you guys talk about your family and your kids and all that,

Starting point is 01:25:38 which was really cool and helpful for me to process everything. So thank you for that. Congratulations. Thank you, thank you. All right, so to my question. So two questions and I'll start with the first one. So I caught a stomach bug this weekend and it kind of took me out and I've been running a force cut really ever since. So not one to pass up a good opportunity. So what I'm thinking is should I capitalize this and run a cut for a week or two?

Starting point is 01:26:05 Or do I need to get back to some normal calories before I do that? So I just increased my calories to about 2900 a week before I got sick. And I've been eating way less for a few days. Yesterday was the first day I tracked and it was 1500. And before that I was probably a thousand or less. Are you over the virus yet? Are you healthy? I'm up and up.

Starting point is 01:26:28 So today I feel much better physically. I'm still weak, like just walking up my stairs, my legs burned, stuff like that. And so, you know, I'm eating more today than yesterday and each day is getting a little bit better. So that's the priority covering. That's the priority, but the priority is to get healthy. So cut, bulk, I don't care.

Starting point is 01:26:48 Have you guys ever done that before though? What, I've done that before. Of course. You know, have you ever done that before? You've never done that before? No, man, I hated being skinny. You're so late. So if I lost weight, what about you?

Starting point is 01:26:58 What about you? Yeah, well, just where I've done exactly what would happen to him right now. You've been sick for like three or six years. Yeah, four or a day, just running over days, you're already depleted like crazy. So you're just like, I'm already there. Well, he's still, he's still coming out of it. And so I'm saying like get healthy first.

Starting point is 01:27:11 So whatever makes you feel better is what I would do. And then when you're out of it, then you can go in whatever direction you want. But usually after a virus, the smart thing to do is to feed the body. Yeah. Not to continue to, to, to plead the body because your nutrients are probably low. Yeah. And you're already depleted. So I mean, the healthy thing to do is to feed the body. Not to continue to to to to plead the body because your nutrients are probably low.

Starting point is 01:27:26 And you're already depleted. So I mean, the healthy thing to do would be get well and then when you're well. Cause you risk getting sick again. Yeah. Yeah, you risk getting really sick by being depleted like that again. And as far as when you're sick, what to do?

Starting point is 01:27:38 Like you want to get healthy before anything else. So that usually means skipping workouts, doing light movement, walking, you know, what feels good. Not missing workouts when you're sick is not taking away from your gains. It's actually getting to keep more of your gains and if you work out when you shouldn't.

Starting point is 01:27:55 So if you work out when you shouldn't work out, that actually sets you back more than taking the days off. So remember that. And this is speaking from personal experience, it's really hard for me to take time off, even when I'm sick. I've had to learn this lesson at least 15 times before it finally said it We've tried the opposite multiple times so I know for for me like not feeling good Thinking that the workout was gonna help to kind of re-energize me and get me back on track

Starting point is 01:28:17 But in fact, yeah, set me back a few more days and I should have so yeah restoring your body replenishing your body with nutrients That makes a lot of sense. Totally. Yeah, I haven't lifted since Friday. I've been taking off. Today, I maybe I feel good enough to try, but I'll probably wait till tomorrow before doing it. But, I mean, as far as the cut goes, I've never done a cut.

Starting point is 01:28:38 And so right now, I'm running Mathesthetic. I have like a week and a half left, programs from grade. And so my plan initially was okay after I finish The static I'll go into a cut for maybe a week and then both two weeks three weeks and then back to a cut kind of go at that But since I'm already here. I'm like, okay, should I just obviously cutting calories in a half is too much But should I just go ahead and go back up to a little bit less than where it was or what should I do? No, I'd focus on getting healthy and you're probably going to want to feed yourself a little bit just to get those nutrients back in your body. You know, those viruses can be pretty nasty and

Starting point is 01:29:11 really deplete your body. Also, are you adding sodium to your water? Are you drinking electrolytes? That's a big deal when you have a stomach virus. Yeah, I've been drinking a body armor light. I don't have element here. I hear you guys talk about it all the time and I wish I had some already But I didn't want to order and wait or whatever still body armor and trying to do stuff like that Yeah, electrolytes are really important. The sodium is the most important part So I don't think it has enough sodium the one that you mentioned if I'm not if I'm not mistaken So I'd add a little bit Just a pinch of sea salt to even that just to kind of help keep yourself from if you're noticing muscle cramps and weakness and stuff like that, it's usually an electrolyte imbalance.

Starting point is 01:29:46 Yeah, definitely weakness, no cramps, but definitely weakness. So yeah, I'll try that. So, I mean, as far as running, you know, a cut tentatively, so my goal is end of September, I'm going to Mexico with my wife and so I'm thinking that's why I was like, maybe I'll try a cut to see what happens, see if I can add some definition or whatever. Should I, obviously you said get back to kind of normal. Should I wait until I get closer? I think we're like eight weeks out.

Starting point is 01:30:12 I bet you're gonna, you'll get more definition from going the opposite direction right now. Now, you know, three weeks before you go, four weeks before if everything's going well, you could do a little bit of a cut. But coming out of an illness like that, usually reversing and refining the body results in a leaner looking physique,

Starting point is 01:30:28 not the other way around. Yeah, you also look like a pretty lean guy already. So I would, I mean, four weeks out from getting ready to go to the beach, you would be wanting a time. I mean, I, four weeks out is what I did for, for shows, bro. So, if you, if you manage yourself relatively lean, you can make some serious,

Starting point is 01:30:44 especially if you're not somebody who cuts out, you may sound like you don't ever cut. So you're buying ever. Yeah, so if you actually go on a pretty aggressive cut for four weeks heading into, or even three, you're heading into vacation, you'll make some moves. And I would do kind of calories first and intensity, and then slowly start to introduce some cardio slash

Starting point is 01:31:04 walking, moving more, and then slowly start to introduce some cardio slash walking moving more and then start to slowly ramp that up all the way until I go to vacation and you'll lean out. Exactly. Okay, yeah, it's three, four weeks before and then I'll start. Okay, I'll go. Yep. And my second question is related to being sick. So like I said, I haven't lifted or done anything since the Friday. So going back into it, I'm in aesthetic. Do I just pick up where I left off or do I try to cut out focus days and do foundational to the stay on track? I don't really know how to go back into it.

Starting point is 01:31:35 I'm very routine oriented and that's why I like the structure. So I'm like, okay, what do I do now? Go, I would do the first workout back, do one set instead of three or four of whatever is recommended. Just do one, instead of three or four of whatever is recommended. Just do one, see how you feel the following day. If you're really, really sore, then do the same workout again. If you feel okay, then slowly bring yourself back up to what you were doing before. But don't go back to what you were doing before.

Starting point is 01:31:55 That's going to be overkillient. So slowly work back into it over like a week or probably. I think it's the time, so I feel. Yeah, I would restart that phase wherever you are at. So whatever phase you were on, restart at the beginning of it and take sales advice, you know, do at least a set or two less per exercise and then see how you feel. More than likely you've already taken enough time off

Starting point is 01:32:19 to where you actually probably feel sore from just getting out there and doing any almost anything. And then slowly, you know, each workout, I would slowly sort to ramp up to try and get back to what the actual program is telling you to do. It'll take like a week, probably. A week to get back to where you were. Okay, awesome.

Starting point is 01:32:35 Anything else that you do get back into it, you said sodium, obviously it might protein itself, but anything else to really focus on? No, that's a value. Sodium is a big one, right? Sodium, your magnesium, potassium, but mostly sodium I'd focus on? No, that's a value. Sodium is a big one, right? Sodium, your magnesium, potassium, but mostly sodium I'd focus on that. And of course, just eating, just feeding yourself properly.

Starting point is 01:32:53 Awesome. Cool. Hey, really helpful. I appreciate it. Awesome. Thanks brother. Appreciate it. You went on a cut after having diarrhea, huh?

Starting point is 01:33:01 Yeah, really weird bro. No, I could totally relate to getting sick. I get the mentality. Yeah, because you're already lost, like five. And your appetite's already gone. Yeah, your appetite's gone. So instead of like, but it's not good advice, right? Because to your point of, but I wanted to admit

Starting point is 01:33:17 that that's, I've been in that mindset before. I'm like, well, I'm already low calorie. I don't feel like eating a bunch. I'm gonna use this to an eye advantage. I'm gonna stay low calorie, like, but yeah, it's not. Yeah, what happens to me is if I do something like that, when I come out of it, I try to increase my calories and end up looking leaner through that process, you know, because I'm feeding my body. Yeah, it's giving it what it needs.

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1876: Ways to Speed Up Your Metabolism, How to Train After Being Sick, Powerlifting Competition Preparation Tips & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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