Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1884: The Value of Undulating Calories to Lose Fat & Stay Lean, How to Prevent Muscle Loss When Cutting, Using Static Stretching to Get a Good Night’s Sleep & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:38 Parents calm down, everything's gonna be okay. Climate change is not making your kids fat. That is going happening. That's going viral on the news right now. I can't believe that actually, as somebody would actually write an article, saying that climate change is contributing to childhood obesity in any significant way.

Starting point is 00:03:00 We've hit peak ridiculousness. It's peak insanity and it's no wonder people are so confused about health and fitness. It's no wonder. I mean, because I know there's people at home who are all scared about climate change anyway, right? Because it's this big issue. And now they're like, oh, so is it?

Starting point is 00:03:18 Okay, I saw this on the news. I didn't even see the written article. So it's making its rounds. So it's not like the argument person said this. This is parody or something. The argument is it's too hot for kids to go outside. Yeah, I read it. First of all, kids weren't going outside anyway.

Starting point is 00:03:34 Number two, I grew up in the Bay area. Okay, when it was... Did we've had heat waves since forever? We always went outside. You know what we did? We just sweat and we spray water on each other and have water fights and stuff like that. I mean, it's ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:03:45 It's a dumbass thing ever. It kids are fat because of the same reasons why their parents are fat. It's because they eat a lot of... A lot of behavior. A lot of heavily processed food. So you overeat. Kids do not play outside like they used to.

Starting point is 00:04:00 Any parent will tell you, first of all, you don't need a parent, drive through neighborhoods. When I was a kid, if it was after school and you were driving through neighborhoods, you would have to stop and slow your car down four or five times because there was a game happening in the street, wait for the kids to move, wait, kids on their bikes, they're doing this thing over here.

Starting point is 00:04:18 Now you drive through nobody's outside, it's quiet. And even now, when my kids hang out with other kids, you know what they do? They hang out to play video games together or to be inside together. They don't go outside. So that's the problem, it's not climate change. Now what do you, okay, so what do you guys do

Starting point is 00:04:37 to combat that? Like what do you got knowing that? Because you also don't want to like, I mean the kids video games are pretty rad and awesome today. So I don't- Plus that's how they socialize. Right, that's how they, so there's got to like, I mean, the kids video games are pretty rad and awesome today. Yeah. So, I don't- Trust that's how they socialize.

Starting point is 00:04:47 Right. That's how they, so there's got to be this balance of, okay, I recognize that these kids are just not going to move as much as my generation did, right? And I'm not going to be the old man who's constantly reminding them of, oh, I was a kid. So, it's just like, so what do you do as strategies as parents to negate the amount of potential weight gain that they'll have because they're sitting and they're eating while they're sitting? Do you guys have rules around how or what they eat? Yeah, I got rules.

Starting point is 00:05:12 One thing that I did over this week and I was going to bring it up anyway, but was just to kind of create more opportunities for them to want to go outside and to want to do things and be active in place. We have a trampoline, we have like, you know, an outdoor kind of course with like rings and pull up bars and whatnot, but I just set up a target range outside so that they can shoot their BB guns and bone arrows and whatnot. And so it's just like, if there's no incentive for them, unfortunately, now, like we have to create those things for them to get excited about, they don't just like,

Starting point is 00:05:50 no, to go outside and like, dig and find bugs and whatever. So you could, Katrina and I were actually talking about you and Courtney and your family with this in regards to this, actually. And I'm actually really curious about what you have to say more because I think I'm more like you As far as being a little bit more of a homebody. I enjoy watching the movie like Justin you and Courtney something I recognize from being traveling with you and being with you guys so much you as adults

Starting point is 00:06:16 Don't even like to sit in the house and sit Yeah, you guys both have you guys get cabin fever like we'll go to the trucky place all of us together and you guys both have, you guys get cabin fever, like we'll go to the trucky place all of us together and I'm completely content with, I might not leave this house for the next five days and just relax and veg, like I am like the, I'm like, where are you, you guys will not spend more than 24 hours, it's once,

Starting point is 00:06:38 if you spend a whole day sitting in that house, the next day you guys are for sure out and gone. So you've done a really good job of modeling that for your kids and so I'm sure it's a little bit easier for you. Well, you know what it is, is I think a lot about this because it's very different. When we were kids, we went outside because it was nothing else to do otherwise.

Starting point is 00:06:59 And so they didn't need to be stuff outside to do. It was, if you didn't go outside, you didn't see anybody. Right, you didn't play. And cartoons were not on 24 hours a day. Right. So we were kids, cartoons were on Saturday morning. So there was nothing on TV. There was nothing else to do.

Starting point is 00:07:12 You could read, which I would do sometimes, but kids would only do that so much, right? So you had to go outside and you had to figure out things to do. So what it reminds me of is how adults used to be active by default. Adults used to be active by default. Adults used to be active by default because work was physical. All work, in the house work was physical,

Starting point is 00:07:29 outside the house work was physical. So we were just active by default. So as kids we were active by default. So what do adults have to do to maintain activity? We have to do with our kids as well. So what is that? You got to structure it. Unfortunately, and I know it sounds crazy,

Starting point is 00:07:43 but I think the only way for most parents who have busy lifestyles to do this for the kids is you sign them up for sports and you schedule stuff. And maybe what you do is you say today no electronics and you turn off the Wi-Fi and you take everything and then you hear a lot of complaining, there's a lot of pissing and moaning, and you say, this is just, it's an electronic day and you gotta figure it out. And then you'll see that they'll start to do stuff. But I think you have to schedule it the same way adults now have to schedule activity.

Starting point is 00:08:12 So is that what you do now? Is that what I have to do? Because I think you have a better representation for me. I mean, I think it's a positive thing, Justin, by the way, too, is a nice slide at you. I think it's amazing that you do that, and I think you've fostered that, and I think your kids are gonna have those good habits

Starting point is 00:08:28 because you've done such a good job. I worry about myself because I'm less like you in that area, and I know I have to model that behavior for my son, and I do like to relax and sit in the house, and I'll watch a movie or do something like that. I'm less likely to be more physical and go out. It doesn't happen. Like, think about all the things in your life

Starting point is 00:08:48 that used to happen on their own. Like before you had kids, you know, when you're married. Like, oh yeah, we just have spontaneous sex and we just go out to dinner. And when you have kids all of a sudden, none of that happens because your schedule's busy. So you have to literally, when people will tell you,

Starting point is 00:09:02 schedule dinners in date nights and you think, oh, that's ridiculous. We used to never have to do that. Well, yeah, you're busy, you're schedule, your schedule's different now. Kids now don't spontaneously go and play outside because no one's outside. Imagine if you were a kid right now.

Starting point is 00:09:14 I want to go outside and play, you go outside, you're by yourself. There's no other kids out there, no neighborhood kids playing. So I think you have to literally schedule or it's an activity. Yeah, if you change it. To your point of that, I mean, like the hard labor that we used to have to do for jobs, literally schedule, sports and activities. Yeah, everything's changed. That's just it.

Starting point is 00:09:25 To your point of that, I mean, like the hard labor that we used to have to do for jobs, it's like we had to recreate that in the gym setting in order to be able to kind of keep your body, keep it upkeep. And I think that we don't consider kids as much because they seem to have all this like boundless energy, but now they're drawn to these electronics. They're drawn to just kind of hanging out. And like you said, they communicate all day with their friends on there. And so it's like, where's the incentive for them to run out and do physical activities?

Starting point is 00:09:54 That's where you see and hang out with your friend. My grandfather to this day makes fun of me for working out in a gym. He thinks it's the funniest thing. You go, you go, you go somewhere to lift heavy things. You go, I used to lift rocks like we could for work. So it's weird because I have to schedule work out. Think about art lives. How much activity do you guys do outside of your scheduled

Starting point is 00:10:16 exercise, right? So I think you just have to do the same thing with the kids. And we're just in that generation now that has to figure that out. Well, I guess I'm personally or selfishly curious about you guys because you guys are so much further ahead than I am. I know what I'm doing right now, right? So what I'm doing right now,

Starting point is 00:10:31 was a Sunday was an example that obviously Saturday I was at a friend's house pool swimming active no television, no iPad or anything. So that's easy, whatever, but that's the one off. But Sunday we came back home and Sunday I even personally was like, oh tired, We went somewhere. I was in the sun all day last two days at a pool So what that maybe I'll just lay around and our Sunday morning we get up You know cartoons came on first thing in the morning and I kind of snapped myself out of it and said you know I there's I the stuff I want to do I wanted to get the cars washed

Starting point is 00:11:01 I wanted a meal prep for the day. I want to make sure I got a training session in. And so I need to do this and then instantly took Max with me to do all those things, right? So, yeah, so he literally washed the cars with me. He did the laundry with me. He helped meal prep with me. And so all day we were physical and doing those things. What's great, and I'm lucky right now to face his act, because he's not at your guys' kids age,

Starting point is 00:11:26 which they may look at you like, F you dad, I'm kidding. To wash your car today, you know, this is child labor, you know, to get to the table. Where my son is, so he's so young that he's just so excited. It's fun. Yeah, it's very fun. So I guess I have figured it out for this phase

Starting point is 00:11:42 on how to do that and how to make it work. And it got, he's so cool to watch. We did laundry together. And I told you guys before, it's like, you know, one at a time. And he's so funny, dude, because he's starting to talk more and more and we're at this new phase where the last phase

Starting point is 00:12:00 we just came out of was, you know, the words are coming out like crazy. He's repeating almost anything I say. But now he's saying things that I didn't even know he knew or he knew. That's fun, I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he dropped something, he drops something,

Starting point is 00:12:12 he goes, oh, dropped it. And I went, without me saying it first, which that's what's happening right now, which is really, really cute to watch him. I love that. Watch him do that. I love that so much. No, it's not climate change though. I'll be honest.

Starting point is 00:12:25 No. Of all the things, you know, by the way, how many, do you think there's some people that are buying in that? Of course. You know what? Okay. Here's how you know, this is what I hate the most, right? That, and what they're doing is actually hurting the cause.

Starting point is 00:12:38 The cause. Yes. Because most people look at that and go, that's ridiculous. And then what you want to extrapolate is, it's all political and spoolship. Yeah. But it's like, no, what they're doing. Yes, there is there is political power behind any Issue and that's what's happening what they're trying to do is make a case so that they could push you in a particular direction and everybody scared now of Climate change did you hear what it's doing to kids see it's making them fat? It's like what else can we throw out there make no Susan you buying chips for your kids every day and letting watch TV and play

Starting point is 00:13:09 with you. You're kidding me. You're kidding fat. I'm kidding excuse. I've got I have got a kid's story for you guys. Okay so I'm with my I went over and visited my best friends and their kids. They're a little bit ahead always than I am right and one of our favorite things to do is you know this is I guess of at this phase that we're in our life for a season, we're at, you know, kids finally all go down, we put them all asleep, and then the adults get to stay up late and kind of talk. And of course, what do we have? Talk about the kids and crazy stories. And my buddy shares this, he goes, you know, he's, because again, he's a little bit ahead of me. He goes, whoa, man, I got my first my first learning curve on arcades

Starting point is 00:13:45 because I was sharing with him how I took Maxi arcade and like, he was on the motorcycle. I was like, oh, I saw the video. Yeah, yeah, and he was like loving that whole experience, right? So that was a absolute, absolute bass. And he's like, blast. He's like, oh, let me tell you my learning experience with arcades.

Starting point is 00:14:00 So you know the game, you guys, at every arcade has this and pizza parlor with the claw. It comes down and never wins the game. So listen to this shit. So he takes his boy to go, as he wants the kid wants to do it, right? So okay, he does it. He wins the first try. He goes, this was the worst thing I ever did.

Starting point is 00:14:19 I was winning. I can. So then every time they go to the arcade, he wants to go play that and then he fucking flips out when they don't win He's been with both mom and dad He's been with his mom is mom's time and Intel story Janice tell a story and she's like oh my god She goes anytime we see that thing he wants to do it and then when I fail and I can't get it He cries says daddy. You do it daddy can do it. You're not buying a stuffed animal for $150. I think you put the money in. I'm like, one of the chances, the first time you do that

Starting point is 00:14:52 game with your little three year old that he sees you win. I will. He thinks you're supposed to win. I wonder the statistics on like, you know, gamblers that like become addicts. Like if they won the very first time and then they're just, I bet you that is that way. I can tell you that I've had experiences like that, like the first time I've learned, learned certain gambling games and I actually was successful. Those are the ones I'm my favorite. It's crazy. I mean, I'm an adult in that imprint. So imagine when you're a child and you don't understand more. It's powerful. That's so cool. I die laughing because I would, I would even thought of like, that's the worst, but I will, no,

Starting point is 00:15:28 I will intentionally lose the first time on purpose if I ever do that game with him because I don't want him to think that we win every time. I was a hero once because we went to, we were at a carnival and there was like, you had to throw the ring on the bottle and they had this huge stuffed animal pig and my daughter was like, I want that.

Starting point is 00:15:46 I want she was like six. I want that. I want that. I said, nobody ever wins and I try to explain to her. They really grease the, it's just, there's a lot of tricks. Yeah. And I'm like, to nobody ever wins. Ships are like a little oval that I've ever.

Starting point is 00:15:57 And then the shapes are off. No, but I undersold it so hard. Finally, she's like, please, but I want to say fine. And I won it. I was a hero. Wow. Oh yeah, walking around as big as pig, you know, my daughter's off. You know, that's what they do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's fine. And I won it. I was a hero. Wow. Oh yeah, walking around as big as pig, you know, my dogs. You know, that's what they do with the basketball hoops, right?

Starting point is 00:16:09 They bend them. Make a baller. Yeah, they bend them. So they're more like an old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, Then the ones where you throw the ball in the basket looks like a softball in the basket. Yeah, yeah, okay You ever do it and it always bounces out. Yeah, yeah, and then the guy shows you that he can do it every time Yeah, like the guy operating. You know what the trick is what okay the back of it the back of the basket is springy So you'll throw yours in it always bounces out So what he'll do is you'll take the one that bounced out, he'll put it in there, be

Starting point is 00:16:45 like watch it's easy and then throw his in there. And what happens is it hits your ball that was in there, doesn't bounce out. Actually watch the video. Wow. Really? Explain that again. So you're trying to throw the ball in the basket. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:57 Always bounce it out. It's always a big ass prize. So it's the ball that's bouncing? No, it's the back of the basket. So then what he does is you try to throw it in and then he'll pick your ball up, put it back in there and be like, watch, it's easy. Then he stands back, but the reason why it doesn't bounce out is because he put your ball in there first.

Starting point is 00:17:11 Because the ball, oh, I still hit shit. So it hits your ball, goes into the spring. I watch the whole video. Wow. So I call the guy out after doing that. So he shows me and he goes, wow, that's cool. I said, leave the ball in there and I'll do it again. Oh, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:17:24 Oh, no. cool. I said, leave the ball in there and I'll do it again. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you get like the perfect throw Yeah, but for the most part like they'll reform and like ballots and and you know not fall off What's the history of the current trick like where did it like and they're all manipulative like that? You're so to make you lose of course 80% of the time for all say wouldn't have any make Brothers, so from I don't know if this is true Okay, so this is all this is all what I heard so remember I'm a 90s kid We heard a lot of shit that we think is true, but I heard that they take these people who are at risk or drug addicts or whatever, and then they give them jobs, and then they travel around,

Starting point is 00:18:14 and apparently it helps them because they have a job. I don't know, that's what I heard. But I believe it, because so they can just swindle everybody. No, I don't know. But where did that, like the hustle? Was it always like this this carnival hustle where there was somebody who was doing it

Starting point is 00:18:27 and they manipulated the game from the very beginning? Yeah, so because they traveled, but no, I don't know if they, if they're as bad as they used to be, but because they traveled for town to town, remember this before internet and stuff, they could rip you off. It's like snake whale salesman. Yeah, they would rip you off and then go to the next town.

Starting point is 00:18:41 Yep, and then everybody got ripped off of them. You get all mad, but then you're out. Yeah, the next town doesn't know about that. It's the same them. You get all mad, but then you're out. Yeah. The next town doesn't know about that. It's the same thing with that like a cup game in the ball where they like hide the ball. Yeah. And like they're really good at that like on the street

Starting point is 00:18:52 and they just hustle everybody's money. Yeah. Dude, I take, oh, I didn't tell you guys. I got punk so hard this morning. By who? Hard, bro. Three old Russian men. The punk, the shit out of me.

Starting point is 00:19:01 Lifting? No. And the steam room again. Oh, the steam room. So I'm working out this morning steam room chronic. I love it and I'm just ego this morning, right? I'm lifting heavy. It's like raw I feel like an animal. I go in the steam room in this three old Russian dudes walk in and They're like do you mind if I make it hotter? I say yeah, go ahead say throw the water on the steam It's like the guy goes you have big muscles. So yeah. Oh, thank you. How long you been working out? So we talk for a second He goes you mind if I add more? So yeah, go ahead throws more water on the steam, and the guy goes, you have big muscles. So yeah, thank you. He's, how long have you been working out?

Starting point is 00:19:25 So we talk for a second. He goes, you mind if I add more? So yeah, go ahead, throw the more water on. So now I'm audibly breathing. Whew. He hears me. And then they start speaking Russian, and he starts laughing. And he goes, you have big muscles.

Starting point is 00:19:38 That's why you cannot last. Is it what? I said, you say I can't last? He goes, ha, ha, ha. He goes, I add more. I said, okay, this fucker added water. As soon as the steam's done, adds more water. So it's just constant steam in that freaking room.

Starting point is 00:19:51 Bacon like a crab. Baking, baking in there. And I'm like, I can't bro. They were laughing the whole time. He goes, you were like, and I'm like, I can't, I can't add my eyes closed. I can't open my eyes. I know it's hot.

Starting point is 00:20:03 I can't open my eyes dude. Yeah, I know I have the talent for my face. And I'm talking to him, I'm like,. I know it's hot. I can't. I know I have the talent for my face. And I'm talking to him like, no, like this is too hot. I'm like, how are you guys doing this? And he goes, you would like a sports car. And I'm like, what? And he goes, always in the shop, always broken. He goes, you got you got you got the practice word I walked out. Like, these people, they were laughing in their speaking Russian. You know, the hack is you know, the

Starting point is 00:20:24 hack is to put the towel over the head right yeah, so that's the hack So your eyes my my so you're so part of what gives you that like I got to get out of here Oh, you're yeah your head heats up so hot and the brain says get fuck out of here I'm gonna do that next so you put a towel over and just that the temperature of keeping the head down by like 10 degrees You can push away. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah So this is on a hack for you. Yeah, yeah, so you can put this. So this is a sauna hack for you. So you were spot yours talking about these games and gambling.

Starting point is 00:20:48 So I was in a talk, Tahoe on the Nevada side. I went there with my cousins and my buddies. So by the way, I haven't hung out with those guys like all together for at least, I want to say eight years maybe. I didn't realize it was a guy's trip. I thought it was a family thing you're doing. No, and they go every year, every other year,

Starting point is 00:21:04 and I always don't go. So they call me Santa Claus, because they never come out. You only come out once a year, like Santa Claus or whatever. So I haven't gone a long time. So I finally went and I'm just too old for that, dude. I'm just way, bro, midnight hits,

Starting point is 00:21:16 and I'm like planning my escape. Like I gotta go to bed, dude. These guys were drinking and just up and gambling. I'm like, I can't do this. Which is crazy, because some of them have newborns too, right? Some of them have, yeah. I don't know how they, their brother was there, right? Everybody.

Starting point is 00:21:30 They were just going and I'm like, tired, you know, 10, literally, by 10.30. I'm looking at my watch. I'm like, I'm gonna be gone about 30 minutes. I'm about to smoke bomb this day. And they know too, I got to go bathroom real quick guys. You better come back, Sal. We know you're gonna leave.

Starting point is 00:21:47 I gotta go. It's like you have the perfect amount of drinks, like you know, I gotta have a great time. Yeah, then there's like, dude, have more. I'm like, no. I had that argument. I had that argument with him. Come on, do a shot.

Starting point is 00:21:58 A shot? I'm like, I'm 43, bro, I'm just a shot. Like, I know. There's no need to ever do a shot. I'm like, I know just how much alcohol I need all right, dude I don't want to go more than that. Yeah, but I can't hang dude. Those guys were all night up and you know two o'clock three I'm like, yeah, well, they must not like have any release, you know Like it's like the one time to get out of the house and it's like

Starting point is 00:22:16 Maybe I don't know what I was done dude done. I got fried next day wake up. Oh, I'm so tired. What do you do for the hangovers right now? Oh, so uh, no, you know what saved my ass over there, was the green juice. So I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did, during the day because obviously we're in garbage all day long. And then the red juice, I would have with a little bit of caffeine and I did some pure in the day. So during the day I had my, I'd bring a water bottle like we,

Starting point is 00:22:41 okay, so we rented a boat. Yeah. And we were out on the lake, which is just spectacular. Yeah. Just one of the most beautiful places in the world. And I was drinking the green juice mixed with pure during the day while we were also. These guys are all drinking and then you're over there. You're green juice.

Starting point is 00:22:56 I have my water bottle. What's in your water bottle? I just water. I don't know. Just water guys. I'm optimizing right now. Yeah, but it was, it was gorgeous out there. What a beautiful. How's it weather? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Starting point is 00:23:05 I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

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Starting point is 00:23:21 I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. which makes me laugh because I'm like you're a bunch of grown man You're gonna sleep on the couch what are you guys doing? But a bunch of them slept at my cousin's house and then me and my cousin and my buddy Got some rooms over at was a Harvey's You were in the casino and then oh you'll be proud of me, bro. Yeah, so you guys know how I never gamble I'm like gambling. Yeah, so my buddy air you be proud of me bro. I gambled. Yeah

Starting point is 00:23:44 I did your generosity. Yeah, no, no my buddy Erick you'd be proud of me bro. I gambled yeah, I did your generosity Yeah, no, no my buddy Eric he he plays crap and so and you know, you know What I've always told you's that I just it looks so complicated. There's so many things on the table Yeah, I know the gist. You learn how to play so I watch for an hour and while he's playing he's explaining to me Why why the odds how you bet here why they bet there. I'm like, what's happening over here? What's happening over here? So after about an hour and a half, I said, I think I kind of get it. And I could see how, perhaps actually you get slight odds or in favor of the player.

Starting point is 00:24:16 If you know, like how to play, right? Well, they're not in favor of the player, but the closest is splitting a 50-50 house odds is any other game that it's like the best. Yeah, and he was telling me, and he was telling me, play the odds50 house odds is any other game that it's like the best. Yeah, and he was telling me, play the odds. Don't play with your emotions. That's right. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:30 And he goes and come up with a system. How much are you going to bet? Play the odds and stick to it. So that's what I did, and I won. I literally won. That's how I got you asked earlier. Exactly how I got hooked is I finally learned how to play. Understood the odds.

Starting point is 00:24:43 Had a system. Played the system. And one really big the first time and like after that I was that was done. Oh yeah, I was $700. Oh yeah, 700 bucks. Yeah, yeah, it was about three hours. I know I love the game. I know I was like, dude, not to mention so the real reason why I switched I used to be a big poker player and Cassinos don't give you any comps for poker because you're playing players. Oh. So you're not really playing the house odd. They don't win hardly.

Starting point is 00:25:09 They make like they're they make a little bit of the what you call I forget what you call it. Every time the dealer scrapes his his couple bucks for every pot or what that but they make no money off a poker. So they don't want you playing poker. They want you playing. Sloters long right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:23 Yeah. I get to get $ dollars and play for eight hours Yeah, poker if you're a good poker player you could do that So yeah, the casinos don't want you playing that they want you doing slots, which is the fast so slots pay out the best Crap's pays out really well as the second best what's that one game? Buck Kai Bao Bao. Oh, hi gal. Hi gal. That one's supposed to have good at well Well, you push a lot so it's like I play that game so I can get drinks for free. I hack the system.

Starting point is 00:25:48 I'm here for the drinks. Yeah, I'm here for the drinks. You know what I noticed is, I noticed the amount of superstition with craps playing. Oh, I'm very much so that way. Oh, of course. So first of all, there was one guy that was rolling

Starting point is 00:26:01 and that's where I was making my money because I would bet that, I don't know what it's called, where you could bet like, oh, he's gonna hit an eight at some point and you let your money ride and all this stuff, right? But every time he would get the die, he touched them a particular way. Then he grabbed them and threw them. Then my buddy's gonna roll and his superstition is so obvious.

Starting point is 00:26:18 I was almost embarrassed because like, bro, come on, stop doing that. But everybody does it. He gets the dice and then he does this with his finger. He rolls it around until it's on a six and then he rolls the other around thing? It's spiritual, dude. I have to stand up. I have to stand at a certain part of the table. It has to be a three-two stack. I rub the table one time. I grab two dyes. I rub the table.

Starting point is 00:26:30 That's right. He's 10%. 100%. I have a... Hey, it is just like that. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I It has to be a three to stack. I rub the table one time. I grab two dyes. I rub the table. I try. 100%.

Starting point is 00:26:48 I have a, hey, it is just like it. So by the way, you can look this up too. Like, so the, the, well, guys that really, like pay attention to this stuff are, like some people just kind of see what others are doing and then they create their own thing, whatever. But the idea is actually to try and get the dice

Starting point is 00:27:02 to roll the least. It increases your, your odds. So the more the dice go bounce on all the points, which is why they try and get the dice to roll the least, increases your odds. So the more the dice go bounce in all other places, which is why they make you hit the back. They want you to hit the back so it kicks off and throws even more rolls. So when I'm tossing, I'm tossing and I'm trying to land right before that, so to minimize the amount of rolls,

Starting point is 00:27:21 so you have more control of the dice and consistency. So that's all you try to do is to create consistency. Is that really work? Yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah. Is it science? I'm not even saying that. No, of course. No, there's that. Look at, look it up. I feel like it's bolstered. No, no, not at all. I mean, it's like, so just like a batter, just like a batter gets up before it goes to any, it takes its cleats, any, does this whole routine or anything. It's to get into flow and to get in rhythm. You're the idea of the sequence of all that stuff

Starting point is 00:27:51 you're doing, everyone being different, is to get in the flow of the toss, so the toss is consistent. So if you're, if you bat and you're trying to avoid a one in 11, so if you hit a seven, you want to mimic that exact throw. Do you always have the same number? Three two, three two, three two, three two, yeah. See, my buddy was six six.

Starting point is 00:28:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everybody has to, and again, the point is, cause in Craps, you don't want one in a left, or excuse me, seven, seven, one or 11 when he first come out will pay you, but you don't want a seven and crap out, right? So I just want to not roll a seven. So it's like whatever order your dice are

Starting point is 00:28:23 that you find, when I throw consistent, I don't hit a seven for a long time. So order your dice are that you find, when I throw consistent, I don't hit a seven for a long time. So that's the idea is that you're trying to... So I broke a couple cardinal rules because I didn't realize it was so superstitious. One of what is that say right there? It seems that there is some type of technique to it. Absolutely. It's a physical skill which requires hours of practice. I believe so the times arrive one big and I've been really, really hot and I've rolled the dice for half hour, 45 minutes, which is you're going to make.

Starting point is 00:28:51 If you're betting correctly, odds like you're saying in a system, if all you have to do is roll for 10, 15 minutes, you roll for 30, 45 minutes and you, you could make thousands of dollars because you're, or if anybody else rolls for 30, that's all I need is a rotation table, one person to roll for like 15 minutes, I always recoup my money back. And if someone rolls for 30 or 45, I'm making big money.

Starting point is 00:29:14 So, and that's what you're looking for. So I made two mistakes. One was a casino mistake. I took my phone out because I was gonna take a picture of my chips to send to Jessica. And they're not allowed to take a picture of my chips to send to Jessica. And they're not allowed to take a picture at all. Oh, okay, because of cheating or something, whatever.

Starting point is 00:29:31 So then I made a mistake that's more of a superstition mistake. So I'm asking my buddy questions while we're playing. And the guy's about to throw. And I'm like, so you don't want him to throw a snake eyes and he looks at me and he's like, don't fucking say. Don't say it, as you go to throw. You don't say it out loud. Well and he looks at me like don't fucking say yeah Well the dirty looks I got it. It's like don't hit the golf ball in the water People look at me like he said the word Or your hands hanging over why someone's you probably saw someone do that right when someone's on the dice

Starting point is 00:29:59 There's always that one guy's got his hands. They're like hanging in the pit or what like that? It's like to get your hands intimidating, bro? Yeah. We were earlier talking about like tricks and stuff. Like, so I found out that, you know, in Michael Jackson's smooth criminal video where he like leans really far over. And it's like crazy.

Starting point is 00:30:19 It looks like he's on strings or something. Test him. Well, I guess that he actually had shoes that besides they're like reinforced on the inside, but on the bottom of the heel, elevated, had a hook. Oh, so stuck to the floor. It had a metal hook and they had a rod that came up from the ground and he slid his heel on there.

Starting point is 00:30:39 And so that way it allowed him to then push his toes to the front, no way. And lean like crazy. So he cheated. Yeah. He cheated. Wow. But it was a great illusion. Did you know that the didn't know that?

Starting point is 00:30:51 Did you know that dinosaurs and Jurassic Park are not real? Stupid. I'm just kidding. Of course they cheated bro. Everything else. Everything else. Did you see the list? They dug right up on all the dice.

Starting point is 00:31:00 Yeah. All the strategies and the rules and all that stuff. I think those are written by casinos. Yeah. You know what I mean those are written by casinos. You know what I mean to make you want to play. You know what I'm saying? Right, yeah. Throw them like, yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:11 They're awesome. They're all packed the casinos. You don't want you not to know. You know what I'm saying? You want to talk about some other gambling, okay? Metaverse, buying real estate in the Metaverse. Let's talk about this. Buying real estate in the Metaverse in November,

Starting point is 00:31:24 okay, not even a year ago. So like, what is that eight months ago or whatever? Eight, 10 months ago? The, there was $62 million a month in metaverse real estate transactions in November. This past month, it just registered at 600,000. So down 99% traction. So what you'reaction is buying fake property

Starting point is 00:31:47 In great investment. Yeah property where there's a limitless supply of real estate. Yeah, it's not a good idea We heard who to say you know what well if you were somebody who bought in January of last year You were four and then sold in November. I think that's the ticket. I think right now the ticket is when they come up with something like this, think to yourself, I wonder how many morons are gonna jump on this, and that's when you're about to. If you know that a lot of morons are in, you gotta get it. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of morons, speaking of morons, you know what I love more than anything?

Starting point is 00:32:20 You go sales and I talk right now. So here we go. I love it. I love it. I love it. Again, I love it. When we say something and we get, you know, a lot of people counter us and ridicule us for years. And we say, no, we stick to our guns. This is true. This is what happens is what we experience. We train lots of people. This is the truth. Yeah. And then studies come

Starting point is 00:32:41 out and say, Oh, yeah, you guys are right. Guess what? Guess what? Another study came about the frequency thing That's right. That is right. So study came out really good studies showing that training muscle groups five days a week Produced better gains than training muscle groups two days a week with the everything being controlled in other words all things being equal Volume everything being controlled. In other words, all things being equal, volume, everything being equal, five more frequency builds more muscle, which is, look, if anybody

Starting point is 00:33:11 who has maps at a ball, or maps aesthetic, this is, those programs are based off that. Maps at a ball, three full body workouts a day, but you also do trigger sessions on the off days, which really is about that frequency. Maps aesthetic, you do focus sessions, which is about frequency. And people always tell us, you don't need to do that. Study show two days a week is all you need. Anything more than that. And we're like, no, it doesn't work that way. We've experienced this counter study that we recently recently.

Starting point is 00:33:38 Just recent. Yeah, about there being no difference between like a few days versus. You know what the problem with that is, if you're hitting chest twice a week hard, and then another body, and then another article is showing that you're hitting, you know, same volume equated, more or whatever, a lot of compound lifts work a lot of muscle groups. So it's hard to say,

Starting point is 00:33:59 well, the biceps here that work in twice a week, be able to also work in them another couple days a week with back. So that's where it gets a little iffy. Frequency works every time, I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that.

Starting point is 00:34:14 I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. three sets a day after, that 24 hour period is like a long rest period and then you're training that body part again. So it's not enough to be more of a recovery, but rather like a long rest period and your adaptation signal is what's

Starting point is 00:34:34 really taking over versus not healing, not to mention you have to factor in skill acquisition. And we know the biggest thing. And we know this and this isn't debated at all in sports. Yeah. Getting good at a sport this isn't debated at all in sports. Getting good at a sport or getting good. Yeah, getting good. Anybody would tell you like, hey, you want to get really good at swinging a golf club.

Starting point is 00:34:51 Should I practice two times a week every week for four hours or should you go every day for an hour? Yes. Like everybody would be unanimous. Everybody would be like, oh, for sure. Practicing this year's swing every day for an hour and golf would be much better for you. The irony in that when it comes to, when it comes to building muscle, there's this huge debate because of recovery time and the other

Starting point is 00:35:10 thing and your intensity and all that. Yeah, the Soviets, you know, prove that already with the way that they train their Olympic athletes. Listen, the best studies on strength come from sports that are highly regulated and where there's lots of and where the results are objective. Bodybuilding, there's a lot of truths that come at a bodybuilding, but bodybuilding is not an objective sport. You win or lose based on how you look, Olympic lifting, powerlifting, it's who lifts the most weight. It doesn't matter, who lifts the most.

Starting point is 00:35:41 So their training is so scientific, especially Olympic lifting because you had whole nations in countries competing on a world stage, especially during the Cold War when if you won more gold medals, it was your way of showing that your political system was superior. It was like a bragging rights. So Soviet Union spent a lot of money, a lot of science on figuring out how to make their athletes the strongest. And they kicked ass doing this for a long time.

Starting point is 00:36:07 When the iron curtain came down, the lot of the coaches came here. We started kicking ass. But frequency man, so you're better off doing, instead of doing like three hours of workouts and two workouts or three workouts, you're probably better off doing 30 minutes a day where you hit everything, but less,

Starting point is 00:36:22 but so the volume is the same, same total set, same volume. It's just more frequent. And I look, I know this, if I want to get good at something or strong at something, that's exactly what I do. The biggest challenge I think with that is knowing how to modify intensity. And it, and it, it, it's really tough because we've, we've promoted this like beast mode and crush it. And like these, this like intensity model of

Starting point is 00:36:47 Intensity is what promotes this this growth so much that when people hear these frequency studies that come out go Oh, okay, I need to train more frequently and I can build more muscle I know the they think it's got to be they're gonna be it just as exhausted with all those right That's right, and so it's really hard. And I've challenged with this. And I know better. I've read the studies. I understand the science. I know what I need to do.

Starting point is 00:37:10 And Tensuyo, yet I still fall into that trap of being in the workout and being like, I don't really feel it that much. I need to get it a little bit more. Let me do another set. You know, let me stack a little bit more weight on, okay, yeah, now I feel the burn. But then I got to remember,

Starting point is 00:37:23 I can come back tomorrow or the next day and do this again. And if I'm really sore going into that again, I'm not allowing my body to fully recover and I'm over applying intensity. So what I, and so it requires you to be able to do this lift and go like, I kind of feel like I worked out a bit and then the next day be like, oh, maybe I feel my chest, I'm not sure, but it's okay because you're training it

Starting point is 00:37:44 so frequently, you want to be more like that than you want to feel like, oh, chest, I'm not sure. But it's okay, because you're training it so frequently, you wanna be more like that, that you wanna feel like, oh shit, I had just just been there. Intensity, that's a variable, it's a factor in training. It's an important one, I'm not saying it's not important. But just like sets and reps and tempo, you got to manipulate it and you can overdo it. You can rely, and intensity in the fitness space is it. You can rely and intensity in the fitness space

Starting point is 00:38:05 is oversold. Intensities, everything in the fitness space. That's false. It's a factor, but it's not the only factor. And you have to, the intensity is important when you manipulate it. Not when it's high all the time. When it's high all the time, inappropriately high all the time.

Starting point is 00:38:19 You're gonna get fry yourself. Your body just doesn't progress. I learned this look, you know, everybody knows the story, right, with maps and a ball. What I observed in my blue collar family was that the body parts that they had that correlated to their work, like the plumbers and the mechanics, they're not cranking on shit to failure every day.

Starting point is 00:38:39 They do this stuff, you know, 10 hours a day, every single day for 30 years. So it's like this mild kind of low, but it's like so frequent. All these people in my family met huge muscular forums, everything else to look whatever, huge muscle forums, or the male carriers of my family. Big old like ripped, defined calves.

Starting point is 00:38:56 Why, because they're walking all day long. So intensity is great, but use it right. Frequency is also great. Use it right, so as volume, so as tempo, so as all these different things. You put the right pieces together and what you end up with is phenomenal results, but it's not just about intensity and hate the fact that we glorify that. So damn much. It causes a lot of people problems. It really does. You guys see Viori running our ad?

Starting point is 00:39:22 Oh yeah. This is our first time we've, okay, so for people that see, that potentially see this, and this is a new thing that we're allowed, and I believe we allowed Viori, and I want to say organifier, the only two companies were allowed into this, but they're basically, they use our pixel, and they go in, and then pay for advertising for their company. So they're, we talk about it on the show,

Starting point is 00:39:42 they like what we said, that becomes their ad. Yeah. I know, that's kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, but it on the show. They like what we said that becomes their ad. Yeah, I know It's kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, and it's but it's coming. It looks like it's coming completely from us So we're not we're actually not paying for that advertising They're paying for that advertising, but they're using our our brand our message to I actually got compliments this weekend on What I what I had on people were my cousins complimented on it and then actually some random persons like hey Would you get that sure it's really cool? Yeah, oh your in my cousin makes a joke. Yeah code mine pump or whatever I could see I should have did I make the mistakes sometimes of like reading comments or whatever

Starting point is 00:40:17 It's just kind of funny. Oh, I was making some dudes uncomfortable because I slapped my ass and that Question them. Yeah, exactly. I was like wow you kind of shit. The question themselves. Yeah, exactly. I was like, well, you got some things to work through, guys. Yeah. You know, I read less. They did look good, though. Oh, where are you guys at? Yeah, it looks so good.

Starting point is 00:40:32 It makes you question your actuality. Where are you guys at with the comment reading? It's about that. I've, there's comments and then DMs. I just, I don't read very much more. Yeah, if it's at all negative It's like okay, you're dealing with some shit. Well, it's inevitable. You're gonna get negative Well, so like that's how that's the size of the show now is reaching enough people that I don't care how fucking perfectly

Starting point is 00:40:56 Somebody's gonna be up there's no changing minds anymore. I can always I can always tell when someone didn't listen to the show So they'll they'll read the headline on like a clip. Yeah, and then they'll say something that we'd said in the show. And so then I'll put underneath, you know, if I have the time, like, well, actually, we just caught him at a certain point of the day where they're just all frustrated.

Starting point is 00:41:14 Speaking of comments, I saw a couple comments. So a lot of people don't know this, right? If you're not in the podcasting space, there's hosting companies where we upload our podcasts, and then that company puts it out to like iTunes and you know, all these different podcast apps or whatever, and they are putting together now where they're, you know, piloting where they can put an ad in the beginning

Starting point is 00:41:38 and at the end, like YouTube does. Like if you watch YouTube, unless you pay for the premium service, YouTube will play ads, right? And you don't control the ads, it's YouTube's ads. Well, we have V Shreds on our YouTube. Yeah, somebody, we get companies sick. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:41:52 No, I got a message from someone who are like, Why are you guys promoting McDonald's? Am I flat? I'm not promoting McDonald's. I'm not promoting McDonald's. Well, there's a commercial for McDonald's, like, was it me talking? Yeah, me bro.

Starting point is 00:42:04 Yeah, we did it. That's the company. I said, I'm sure at some point, like listen, wasn't me talking? You have me bro. Yeah, we know that. That's the company. I said, I'm sure at some point you'll be able to pay for premium service for a while. I'm not sure that adds to the wealth. Yeah, I saw a couple of people, I saw a couple of people annoyed by that. And I said, you know, I'm sure that you could see.

Starting point is 00:42:15 You could pass forward by that. Well, yeah, and also, I mean, it's 30 seconds, right? And I also think that that's exactly right. I think Lipson is, this is the beginning phase. So okay, we have a little bit of a growing phase everybody has to go through until they have the option to probably pay. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:30 And then you'll, because Spotify has that right there. So does YouTube. Yeah. YouTube has that too. You can pay them now. Every platform has a, yeah, the expectation that hasn't been.

Starting point is 00:42:38 So I get it. Right, they hadn't had the Lipson, which is one of the largest hosting platforms. Just didn't do it before. And they're probably big enough. and they see an opportunity to make a Tremendous amount of money by doing it. So I totally think that that's the one. I think it's here's why it's a good thing Here's what I need because I had this conversation with my cousin because we're you know At the night, you know we're in the hotel room and I put the TV on and I never watch

Starting point is 00:43:03 Regular TV anymore. So the commercials come on, right? And I'm like, bro, how weird is it to watch TV with commercial breaks? It's so weird, right? And he goes, yeah, I was watching TV. He went on vacation with his kids and commercials came on the kids. They're like, fast forward dad and he's like, we can't. This is how it is. You got to watch the commercial.

Starting point is 00:43:19 I'm like, man, we're spoiled. And I said, you know, what's cool about this is that we have what these services are doing is they're allowing you to use their great services for free and the ads that they put are short. Like when we were kids, you had to watch commercial for two minutes every freaking seven minutes of TV. Not just two minutes. Each individual commercial is two minutes.

Starting point is 00:43:40 You remember in our TV time, most television shows were like actually like 15 minutes long, and then the... 15 minutes commercial. 15 minutes of commercials broken up every 10 minutes. You had to... And I told, and I'm like, you know, it's crazy,

Starting point is 00:43:54 is that they've all these free options, where you pay nothing, you get a little bit of commercials, I said, but then they also offer you an option where you pay a fee, and then you get rid of them. This is really cool because it's opening up services for everybody. You pay nothing or you pay a little bit and you don't get commercials. Yeah, I think it's really cool. I think it's a great thing.

Starting point is 00:44:13 No, no, no. I absolutely think it's absolutely brilliant. You know, speaking of services like that, streaming services, you know something that I predicted that happened faster than I thought was going to happen happen. But with Disney and Netflix streaming, guess who has more streaming subscriptions? Disney. Disney is now past. surpassed them. That's right. Was that just everybody that got rid of it and jumped back on? No, I don't know. It's total. Total subscriptions streaming services. So yeah, it's not like they had a bigger, bigger month. Now when you subscribe to Disney Plus, it's just their they had a bigger month. Now when you subscribe to Disney Plus,

Starting point is 00:44:46 it's just their content. There's no additional anything, right? I'm trying to think right now. What do you mean? It's just theirs. Amazon Prime right. Yeah, right. Although they have, they have the bundles

Starting point is 00:44:55 because they own Hulu and they own National Geographic. Yes, too. So what you pay for like the most premium Netflix, if you pay the most premium Disney, you're getting like Hulu, Disney, oh really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, so they're beating already?

Starting point is 00:45:08 Yeah, yeah, maybe Doug could look it up to give me the exact numbers, but I read this morning, this morning, or you're saying morning, that they just passed them up officially. Wow. I don't know. Wow.

Starting point is 00:45:19 That was quick, dude. Netflix was like the King of subscriptions. Like it's competitive market. That's it, we're gonna see more of this kind of stuff. Well, what I liked about it is that, I mean, why I thought it would back then and is that it's better quality. Yeah, Netflix is like fast food.

Starting point is 00:45:34 Fast food, yeah. I mean, Netflix no doubt has got a huge variety and they put out a lot of content. But. Wow, 221 million total subscriptions across all of its offerings. That's crazy. Netflix is 220. Yeah, just like they're almost identical, but still they were they started way late way, way, way, way behind when I brought that up not even a

Starting point is 00:45:57 year ago, they were a legacy, you know, come by the way, have you watched old cartoons on Disney Plus yet? Like the ones we grew up? You guys know the warnings in the front? Yeah, yeah. It's like this depicts whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, so I hadn't seen Pinocchio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A long time. Pinocchio is like, that's an old one.

Starting point is 00:46:17 Narly. I hadn't watched it a long time. I'm like, oh, and my son sat next to me and you know, he got Jessica's permission to watch TV because she's super like anti TV. I'm like, honey, can I watch it? Yeah, okay, fine. So I put it on.

Starting point is 00:46:28 And we put it on and then the warnings come up, right? And I'm like, oh, okay, who gives a shit? That's a terrifying cartoon. What was the last time you watched Pinocchio? Oh, yeah. My son was like, I haven't watched it for a pleasure island. These poor kids being turned into donkeys. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:42 All kinds of weird, the guy kidnapping Pinocchio. By the way, the worst stereotype of an Italian person I've ever seen in my entire life. Also played a huge role in that generation. Kids being toughest nails. Yeah, it's gonna shed you, it's gonna shed you. But that, but that, but that, it's gonna go to Pleasure Island.

Starting point is 00:46:56 What year is Pinocchio? That's like 60s or four. No, wait, earlier the 60s. Oh yeah, it's one of the oldest ones. I know it's up there with the, the Italian guy that kidnapped him. Bro, it's the worst, it's the most racist. Okay know it's up there, but the Italian guy that kidnapped them bro It's the worst it's the most racist. Okay. I got to watch you First of all 1940 1940 wow the so this guy who runs the carnival this Italian guy, right?

Starting point is 00:47:14 He gets mad and he babbles in a time. It's not even a time. They just made up a bunch of words Yeah, I'm on a minute. I'm on a minute. Wow You guys even use real Italian This is ridiculous dude. You know what use real Italian, bro. Awesome. This is ridiculous. Dude, you know what else? It's like Snow White was like, this is back, you know, and that time

Starting point is 00:47:31 was redone with Betty Boop, and it was like the creepiest version of Snow White. You've ever seen, yeah, it had like these ghosts doing things like, it was like, I was like, wow, no wonder. Like everything was like terrifying as a kid. Bro, the way that they used to teach kids back in the day. 1933 dude.

Starting point is 00:47:49 Wow. That's the Betty Boop wonder. Yeah. The way that they used to teach kids back in the day was, listen to your parents, don't like do stuff you're not supposed to. Otherwise, all strangers are fucking like those. You're gonna get kidnapped and killed or something like that.

Starting point is 00:48:05 Like this is how they talk kids. Did my mom used to tell me that like if I like trailed off in the grocery store, somebody would dye my hair and throw me in a van. That's what I believed that forever was terrifying. That's your thing. It worked, dude. I'm gonna recognize you anymore.

Starting point is 00:48:23 I'm like, oh my God, no. The details were going to throw the dying hair in there. Yeah. Oh my Jesus. Well, not just kidnapped. We will be able to recognize you and find you. That's the letter. Is that the order though?

Starting point is 00:48:35 Die hair and then eat them. Die my hair first, like in the bathroom, throw me in the van. The way that my mom, mom, sorry, the way that my that my mom would like scare us and like eating your dinner and shit Yeah, was the mailman so the mailman what? Yes So the mailman would come and she and here's the worst part. It was it was it was up This was like a long setup. It wasn't like in the moment. Yeah, we're outside playing mailman shows up Oh watch out man. Man's coming. What he's coming. So you'd be careful because if you don't eat, they'll come take you

Starting point is 00:49:05 You know this was during the day Yeah, we're gonna eat and then she bring it up and I remember the mailman coming during the day coming to our house Oh, better eat this I have a delivery Dude, he's the race kids, oh Oh, no! That was a good boy. Dude, he used to race kids, fuck the whole thing. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:26 Well, you know what, you guys just reminded me of something that I actually wanted to bring up and ask you guys his opinions on this. So I was watching like some of the cartoons and stuff that Max has on his iPad. And you know that there's this real popular thing that Disney does that's actually so brilliant

Starting point is 00:49:41 in so many different levels, but also concerning for me. Like if you have cars or toy story franchise or what's the one with Groot? Oh yeah, you have Galaxy one, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he has all these little, so the new thing is they do these little six minute cartoons

Starting point is 00:50:03 because the kids in a kitchen span. So they're like little shorts. I've seen those shorts, yeah, little shorts. So six minute shorts. Now what I think is really interesting about it, because I just, now I've seen the cars one, the toy story one, like that one didn't dawn on me

Starting point is 00:50:16 as much of like what they're doing right now, but then when I saw the Groot one, because Gardens of the Galaxy is very adult humor. My son shouldn't ever watch that, at least until he's like early preteen. Sure, sure. For that's a little, I think it's even rated R, right? Is it Ragnarok?

Starting point is 00:50:29 Yeah. Is it rated R? I don't know. I think it's PG 13. Oh, isn't like, yeah, whatever, till he's 13 or whatever. So they have Groot, you know, the little tree character, what do I with that?

Starting point is 00:50:39 It's those little shorts about him, right? You little six minutes shorts about him. And I thought, wow, how brilliant conditioning that, how long they can stretch that franchise out. They start grooming my son at three years old, little introductions of that character. And then he gets to all of a sudden, an older age and then he recognizes it.

Starting point is 00:50:55 And I mean, that thing will... That's smart. It's brilliant. That's really smart. And they're doing that with cars, with toy, like Toy Story has like, you know, the little fork figure and like each character in toy story. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:07 Has these six minute shorts. And so he's watching these six minute shorts on now. He can't say he wouldn't sit through an entire toy story movie or he wouldn't sit through an entire Gardens of the galaxy right now, but he'll watch a six minute short on a character and he knows the character and he's all he's in a Know all that's really smart. Yeah, you just you just reminding me by the way. Brilliant condition. Yeah. Oh, so it's PG 13. You just reminding me right now that we were playing music with the family or whatever and my son put on the song from up the the montage where he

Starting point is 00:51:39 meets his wife and does a whole thing and crush you in that in that movie, dude. Right out of the gates. My kids, as the music's going on, oh, this is when he finds out that they can't have babies. This is when they, like, what a terrible, what's the last time you guys watch that? That little thing. I only watch Emily one time. It was enough to destroy me. Yeah. I can't do it. Just listening to the song.

Starting point is 00:51:58 I was sitting there. That Pixar movies are like, you know, this is finding Nemo. Oh, don't worry. As we were watching it, I told my kids, I said, we're gonna watch Bambi. You guys ready to cry? You know what, I know the Tridale. And I don't know, have you guys ever tried you guys know that, right?

Starting point is 00:52:12 Like, almost every Disney movie starts with like a parent, losing a parent, stuff like that. You know that? Every, almost every, they lose a parent. Well, some tragic happens. Well, Lion King dad gets that you know dies. Neymar. Bambo.

Starting point is 00:52:30 Well Neymar, oh mom died. Yeah. They're almost lose that they almost lose a parent in every episode. But so I think some people have like a real sadistic way of looking at like oh, shame on Disney, but I think what they were trying to appeal to kids in that situation and give them hope and give them.

Starting point is 00:52:45 They're just trying to pull your heart strings. Make you. No, I think it's, you think you have to have the kids grow up in a blended, in a blended house or they lose a parent with a B through divorce or death or something like that. So talk about a cool story, a way to tell that story in a positive light through those through those types of movies. Also, the hero's journey. I mean, that's sort of the way

Starting point is 00:53:06 that they've constructed stories from forever, is to start out with tragedy and kind of working your way back to become the hero. Yeah, but the tragedy is almost always a parent thing. It's like, look it up, Doug. I think I'm pretty sure it's a pretty high. How many parents die in Disney's movies? Yeah, well, yeah, die or leave.

Starting point is 00:53:23 I'll tell you though, they make movies now. How many of them like include drugs and drugging, like, you know, like sleeping beauty? Oh, I know. You know, snow white eating apples. All the ones before 60s. All the ones before the 60s. And then like a dumb-o where like they're taking psychedelics

Starting point is 00:53:40 and, you know, like they had a lot of like interesting things. They did, dude. Yeah, absolutely did. Yeah, I get sad for different things now lot of like interesting things. They did, dude. Yeah, absolutely did. Yeah, I get sad for different things now. The whole bunch of more than half of Disney picks our feature films. Oh, yeah. Death or disappearance of the protagonist, mom or dad is a major plot. You know, you know, which one made me sad too, but only because I'm apparent now.

Starting point is 00:53:59 Uh, which ones, the one were the, were the kid, uh, her emotions and stuff or depicted in her mind? And it's those characters, it was like anger, disgust. Right. Happiness. What's that? I said, picks our movie, I think. Oh god, I feel like such an idiot.

Starting point is 00:54:15 It was really popular. Okay. What is it? Inside and outside. Oh, that's the one with the big white. That's the one my kid like bubble thing right. I tried. He was like, no.

Starting point is 00:54:24 Now, it made me sad because it's a girl. She's a little girl and she's only got a few emotions in there. Then she's growing up becoming a teenager and it gets really complex because the teenagers go, all of a sudden your emotions get comped and they show this conflict in her mind. I got a very smart. I got a girl's becoming a teenager.

Starting point is 00:54:40 I remember watching that, I was like, oh, I'll have to watch that girl. I'm like, I'm only gonna have to tear that. I'm only gonna have to tear it. I'm only gonna have to tear it. And watch that entire, that's the one with the big white. Inside out. Like blow up thing. No.

Starting point is 00:54:51 Yeah, like one little character. Oh, I thought it was like, it's angry and he's got like, what is that? What is that? No, that's big hero six. And then you go. That's actually really, that's really fun. Which inside out was the most sad girl character.

Starting point is 00:55:00 The real character. Inside out. Yeah, it's actually really good. Yeah. But if your kid is growing up, going through that age and you can see that your kid went from being like, they're either angry, frustrated, or happy, all of a sudden,

Starting point is 00:55:12 they're teenagers are complicated. Oh yeah, I haven't watched this one. It's really good, dude. It's really, really good. Is it Pixar? Is that what you guys figured out? Yeah, it's Pixar. Hey, real quick, do you like soda,

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Starting point is 00:56:04 How come I help you? I wanna know what's on the roof real quick. What's on the roof right now? Your room is. Yeah, what's happening, man? How come I help you? I want to know what's on the roof real quick. What's on the roof right now? Your room is... Yeah, what's on the roof? What is that? Oh, I just got a couple tapestries.

Starting point is 00:56:12 I'm kind of a hippie here. I'll give you guys a better shot of what's going on. There's a lot of Steve here. Kind of got some pink-floy poster going on. And yeah. And different stuff. And then tapestry on the ceiling. Grateful dead and yeah. And different stuff and then tapestry on the ceiling, grateful dead and such. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:28 I'm just leaving one that very cool. So you're a big Justin fan. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Let's party. I wonder if anyone ever smoked weed in that room. No way. Never had. Maybe. Well, last night, that's all good. How are you guys doing today? Doing good, man. How can we help you, brother? So, like the question said in the email, I do a lot of things, guys. So, I've been a skateboarder for 16 years. Sorry, I'm nervous. I can't believe it's happening. So, skateboarding for 16 years, been lifting for probably six or seven now and been a personal

Starting point is 00:57:06 trainer for about the last year and a half. So I think my calories, I do pretty good around 3,000 and I'm weighing in about 195 pounds, 190 pounds. I just cut down from 2.18 and I've cut a lot of strength from that cut, but now I'm wondering where should I be with my calories now? Back two and a half months ago, I got injured. I took four the ATFL and the CFL in my left foot and Spray some muscles in my knee, I believe. I didn't have to get an MRI or anything And I've done a pretty good job with my own rehab, but with this injury

Starting point is 00:57:41 lifting decently heavy Three or four times a week, skating three or four times a week, and always being on my feet, where would you guys think my calories should be if I'm trying to get the select to heal, perform at a decent level, and still trying to get leaner as time goes on. I know there's a lot going on right there, but that's why I want you all to help. Yeah, it's a good question and it's a common one, right? How many calories should I eat for this particular goal? Now one thing that I think is important to communicate is that the metabolism is never set in stone. In the sense that your metabolism is always adjusting and trying to reach homeostasis. This happens every second. Every second things are changing for it to try to reach homeostasis. And this happens every second.

Starting point is 00:58:25 Every second things are changing for it to try to reach homeostasis. So the answer that I can give you, maybe right now, but might be wrong tomorrow. So you may be thinking, well, what the heck am I supposed to do? The best thing you could do is observe your body, your energy, how you feel, and track,

Starting point is 00:58:42 and see what those calories correlate to. So let's say you eat 3,500 calories and that's where you're keeping it. And you're like, you know, I'm getting a little excess body fat on my body. Bring it down a little bit. Or let's say you're eating, you know, 3,500 calories. And you're like, man, I'm getting lean, but my energy's low. I'm losing strength. I don't feel very good.

Starting point is 00:59:02 Well, then maybe bring it up a little bit. So this is really the best answer I can give you is to pay attention to it I'm losing strength, I don't feel very good, well then maybe bring it up a little bit. So this is really the best answer I can give you is to pay attention to it on a weekly basis and since you've already tracked before, you kind of have a good general place to start, right? You kind of generally know where you want to start. So from there, that's where I would move up or down.

Starting point is 00:59:23 Now, if you were, if you never tracked before and had no general idea, then I would give this standard answer, which is track your calories for the next couple of weeks. If you're losing or gaining weight, that'll tell you if you need to bring your calories up or down. I like where you're at right now. I mean, for your size, and if you're not putting, if you're actually losing body fat

Starting point is 00:59:42 and hanging around 3000 calories, like I think you're pretty good. I'm reading more of your question. It says that you do like a couple of low days for like 2000 to 2400, then you refeed up, is that what I'm reading? Am I reading that correctly? Yeah, I've listened to the show for a long time

Starting point is 00:59:58 and you guys were talking about calories cycling and that was, that's definitely the easiest way it's been for me because I've noticed like, if I try to do a few low days in a row, which like I train in a bodybuilder's gym, kind of in the wrong spot, but I'm definitely not the bodybuilder in the gym. So it's like trying to be lean for a stage or anything. So I'm just trying to generally be healthy and lean. So with like two lower days, anywhere underneath 2500 to like 2200 calories. That's why I find pretty good for a low day.

Starting point is 01:00:28 And that's like, I'm starving, man. Like that's crazy to me that I've got my metabolism because I can remember 2500, that wasn't, you know what I'm trying to say there. Yeah. But I think like a maintenance day is around 3,300 for me. Cause I mean, I'm pretty active. I'm always out either skateboarding

Starting point is 01:00:48 or taking a walk or something's going on. And I can never get a chance to really chill out and rest as much as I'd like to. Yeah, I mean, I really like where you're at right now. So long as you're seeing what you want like to Sal's point, you know, this is still like a weekly or every other week kind of check in. And that's kind of when I'm adjusting someone's calories

Starting point is 01:01:06 and their movement, like, when we have a goal of leaning out or something, you know, I like to stick to something for a good solid two weeks before I make any radical changes, right? So let's say that this is where you and I are at, you know, and I'd say, okay, cool. Sounds like you're happy where you're eating. We feel like we're leaning out a little bit.

Starting point is 01:01:22 Like I'm not, you know, so long as you feel like you're healing and getting better every few days, you're getting stronger in your foot and stuff, then I'm not really worried about that. Then in two weeks, I'm going, okay, let's evaluate where you're at. Are we still progressing? Are you still leaning out with the calorie intake? And then if you are, I might just keep you on that path. If you feel like, I feel like I've stalled,

Starting point is 01:01:45 then we might adjust and mess with some of the calories or mess with, you know, in putting in 15 minutes of hit cardio a couple of times a week or stuff like that. But I mean, where you're at is a very healthy place calorie wise. And if you feel good where you're at, I would probably keep you there until we start to notice you slow down a little bit and

Starting point is 01:02:05 you're not seeing the same results and then we would manipulate the calories. That was a really good one. I'm really here the going in line that you like to. The biggest thing I've been trying to pay attention to as well, not only getting lean but my strength and the gym too, like cutting down from two 18 to 20, I'm definitely not as strong as I was, but I did lift it for the first time today and in three months. And my strength is not far off of where it was.

Starting point is 01:02:30 I'm pretty happy with the strength and such. And the metabolism, it's staying pretty high. So I think I'm in a pretty good spot too. And thank you guys for your opinion. I really do appreciate it. I think Asperr performance was a big help with speed and the metabolism up too. I really liked phase one of a masterformance. Oh awesome, awesome.

Starting point is 01:02:52 Yeah, that's a dude. You might not have asked how you hurt your foot, did you screw up a kickflip? Was that the movie dude? Adam Nailside. It wasn't a kickflip. If it was a kickflip, I'd have been so much happier than how it happened. So there was a ramp going up mellow incline and there was a rail coming out of the top almost like a rainbow.

Starting point is 01:03:13 So I was just trying to to slap into the rail and take it across. It wasn't a super big one. Brand new shoes brand new board. I mean just got to the skate park and I brand new shoes brand new board. I mean, just got to the skate park and I I feel like I may have had an imbalance in my hip that day. So I was trying to get mobile and such and I was skating probably before I was ready to do and the ankle my foot is Here was my board my foot was just over here and it's allowed it to roll Like that. Oh, and it was it was so loud. They handed me this wasn't the smartest thing to do, but I was so pissed and it hurts so bad because I've rolled my ankle a thousand times. This was way more. I knew I was going to be down for a while. They handed me triumphant. But in my flip since the injury the other day, after four or five, it gets tired, but

Starting point is 01:04:12 it felt really good. So we're getting there for sure. Yeah, you're in a good place, man. You're on the right track, my friend. Yeah, thanks for calling in. Hey, thank you guys. This was unbelievable, man. This is a, I'm not a, a dream, a dream country for you.

Starting point is 01:04:28 Yeah, I know. Appreciate it, man. If we ever end up in your area, I want to, I want to come hang out with you in that room right there. We'll go. I was, I was in California a couple of weeks ago, man, we're, we're, uh, we're definitely a little bit off schedule on that. When I wish that could have happened. I, I thought about it while I was out there, but there's no way these guys are going to want to get a lift with me or something.

Starting point is 01:04:46 Yeah. Only if you're not stronger than us, then we'll work on it. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's true. Thanks for calling in, brother. I did. That was super great, Dad.

Starting point is 01:04:55 You got it. It's interesting the types of injuries that each sport tends to produce, like rolled ankles, basketball, super common, skateboarding, super common. Only because I had friends that, by the way, not because I played you the sport, but rather because I had friends that did a lot of

Starting point is 01:05:14 both either sport and it's a super common, super common injury. Yeah, we tend to get people that call in, sometimes that I think they know what to do and they know what's the first. They want self-affirming, yeah. Yeah, and sometimes I, I think they know what to do and they know. They want self-affirming, yeah. Yeah, and sometimes I'm like, I want to make sure that we help them, right?

Starting point is 01:05:31 Or we give them something or something. But then sometimes it's like, dude, you're in a great place. It sounds like he's listening to the show long enough that he's built his metabolism up. It sounds like he's kind of in a new place where he's been able to eat 4,000 calories, got all of the 218. Now he's leaning down.

Starting point is 01:05:46 And he's doing, he's undulating his calorie, which is perfect. Yeah, feels good. And he's not lost. He's obviously he's down from 218 down to, what do you say, 190 something. So of course, you're gonna lose a little bit of strength, but the fact that he's been able to not dead live

Starting point is 01:06:00 for three months, come back, and then feel relatively close to the same strength. I mean, dude's in a good place right now. Yeah, totally. And then undulating of the calories, I mean, that's that for me was such a, such a big deal when I first really kind of figured that out. I do that now. I mean, my calories Monday through Friday kind of go up and down, but they stay relatively

Starting point is 01:06:17 high Saturday and Sunday. My calories usually are really low. And I come back Monday and my appetite's good. It's back. I eat more and it really helps me maintain a lean But yet, you know, I get to keep a lot of muscle type physique versus staying at the same all the time which Psychologically and behaviorally that that'll mess with you You know if you're always low or always high you end up finding yourself kind of in this position where you feel like you're you're white

Starting point is 01:06:39 Nuckling the whole thing. So it makes a big difference I really feel that what you just said attributes to your ability to keep yourself really lean and fit right now like because I think most people do the opposite. I think most people get work and busy and going all day long and then they may maybe miss meals or they're like they're they're constantly they're maybe even lower calorie when they're really active and doing a lot and probably working out following their routine. And then Saturday and Sunday is normally when people take it off. They take it off their training. That's normal.

Starting point is 01:07:09 At least one of those two days, they sleep in more than they normally would or they might lounge around and watch TV or they're either not as active. And then they also, this is when they go out to dinner or they have pizza or they enjoy some drink, some Friday or Saturday or Sunday. Like so I really, I mean,, that was one of the biggest hacks for me staying in shape was learning that if I could win the weekend, like win the weekend, the weekdays were easy.

Starting point is 01:07:34 I have a routine. I get up at the same time every single day, work it so long, like you're moving around, like, and that's, it's easy for me to eat the same meals and be consistent. So if I could just win the weekends and be disciplined on that, it would set up the whole rest of the weekend.

Starting point is 01:07:48 I'm stealing that phrase, by the way. Win the weekend. All right, our next caller is Chance from Indiana. Chance, what's happening, man? How can I help you? Hey, guys, just wanted to say thank you for all the content that you guys put out there. I started lifting about three years ago

Starting point is 01:08:03 and found you guys at the beginning and really helped me kind of felt like a cheat code of getting in and missing a bunch of the crap information out there. So just get right into my question. Does it make sense for me to do focus or trigger sessions to help target a specific body part I would like to grow, which for me would be my quads and my delts

Starting point is 01:08:26 while I'm cutting. And in other words, can I pinpoint growth or development while in a cut, where should I just focus on not losing muscle mass during that cut? Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, it's okay. So are you running Mapsesthetic right now? It cut out a little bit, but right now I'm running Mapsantabolic. Because you're describing Maps Esthetic just so you know. Oh, he said trigger sessions too. Well, yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, yeah, so I did start off doing Maps Esthetic, but while I was in my cut, I felt like it was a little bit too much volume.

Starting point is 01:08:58 So I only did about a week or two of that and then I went back to just phase one of maps and a ball like while I was in the cut. Yeah, smart. So, okay, there's a saying in boxing, which is the best defense is a good offense. So when it comes to muscle growth, trying to prevent muscle loss is not a good strategy, trying to build muscle while in a cut is a better strategy. So what's the difference? One of them is you're playing defense, the other ones you're playing offense.

Starting point is 01:09:28 Your muscles either grow or they shrink. The best way to prevent muscle loss is to stimulate muscle growth. Okay. Now this means not overdoing it. This means good exercise programming. This means appropriate calories and protein intake and that kind of stuff. So focus sessions, trigger sessions are excellent for building muscle, which makes them excellent for preventing muscle loss.

Starting point is 01:09:49 So the answer is the same, really. And I would definitely point to the muscle groups that you wanna develop the most. Yes. Because you can't just run endless volume, right? You gotta be very judicious with volume and where you're aiming that volume. So I would definitely aim it on the body parts

Starting point is 01:10:09 that you're most concerned with or the areas that you really want to focus the most on. And then do that. And at worst, you'll just lose less muscle in those areas. At best, you might actually build a little muscle. Yeah, I mean, maps aesthetic was created with this idea of like this was getting me ready for a show.

Starting point is 01:10:25 So, and every show I had a body part or two that I was specifically trying to develop. And so, even though I know that I'm in a caloric deficit, and that it would be more advantageous to be in a surplus, to build the most amount of muscle in that area, sounds exactly right. Like, at that point, I know I'm cutting, I'm losing, I'm catabolic. I definitely don't want to lose in the areas that I'm trying to develop. So I'm stimulating and I'm hitting that more than usual.

Starting point is 01:10:54 So yeah, so whether you're running anabolic, and by the way, still to this day, when I do anabolic, I don't actually do like this kind of full body trigger session. I actually always do the muscles that I'm trying to work on or that I care about the most. It's just like I'm only doing a little stimulation for what, eight, 12 minutes. So I tend to focus on the areas

Starting point is 01:11:16 that I'm always trying to develop. Yeah, well that's same sort of protocol applies, right? The moderation of intensity. So you're making sure you're not treating it as if it's a foundational lift day, right? So even if you're targeting those muscle groups, you're not trying to overdo it. You're just trying to get a pump and try to get stimulation there. But you could definitely hyper focus and target those specific muscle groups that you want to bring up. That's for sure, you know, something that you can do and focus on. Yeah. After Maps and Abolic, do you plan on running Maps aesthetic

Starting point is 01:11:46 and changing your calories or what's the goal? Let's leave it up to chance, right? I'm just too face-fested. Yeah, a little prone. I plan on running Maps aesthetic afterwards is what my plan was, because I'm only gonna go into a cup for another, you know, a couple more weeks,

Starting point is 01:12:01 just to kind of get where my goal is, and then I was gonna run run aesthetic in a bulk. Okay. Have you, do you have map symmetry? Yeah. I just got out of that one not too long ago. It's by far been my favorite program. Excellent.

Starting point is 01:12:19 Okay. Good. I was going to have you run map symmetry afterwards. But since you've already run it, aesthetic or symmetry would be a good option after Annabelle. But I love symmetry. Yeah, it's the most popular.

Starting point is 01:12:28 I'll probably change it before I actually go into the bulk, but I keep going back and forth between strong and aesthetic, but I've never run strong, so that may be the route that I get to go in. I just go back and forth. That's another great option. So all right, well, cool chance. Well, thanks for calling in.

Starting point is 01:12:43 I hope we answered your question, all right? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you guys. You got it, man. Yeah, what? What builds muscle the best is also what prevents muscle loss the best. That's what people have to understand because they tend to train differently thinking You know, oh to prevent muscle I got to do this or to burn more body fat. I got to do this thinking, oh, to prevent muscle I gotta do this or to burn more body fat I gotta do this. Lifting weights or strength training is best at building muscle, bottom line.

Starting point is 01:13:09 So whatever builds muscle, the most effective, is gonna be what's best for your goal. Whatever your goal is, whether it's fat loss, cutting, bulking, building, strength, whatever. Now that means you gotta change your routine up, that means you gotta face your workouts, all the stuff that we talk about. But if you get into this defensive play all the time, you're going to miss out, you'll

Starting point is 01:13:27 miss out. Well, what about do we have any such a sports analogy? I'm hitting them to do. He is all that kick right now. What do we what do we have to support like research-wise? Would it be beneficial to like I'm in a cut, okay, most days. And we just had a caller before this one that like how he underlates his calories Yeah, and let's say let's just say chance his goal is I don't know his shoulders and something else I don't remember this is his muscle. Let's just say it's shoulders right so he's gonna make his trigger sessions or his focus sessions What what benefits would you say are there for someone to make sure that the day he trains or the day after he trained his shoulders really well, that he's on his higher calorie intake. Oh, that's a great question, dude.

Starting point is 01:14:12 I don't know if it makes that big of a difference because, and there isn't, I don't think there is a study or studies to point. This is like a question I'd love to talk to like Lane about, because Lane loves to talk about this, the calories, right? It's all about calories and if it if the calories equate To a deficit at the end of the week then you're in your catapult you're going down, but okay Well, what if I what if I run a surplus though for two days and I schedule those two days around Yes, I'm a targeted group year. Yeah, yeah try to. So I mean, that makes logical sense.

Starting point is 01:14:45 It really does make a lot of sense. Like I never had any, I never had any, I don't, that's why I'm asking you, because I don't, I don't remember or recall ever reading anything to support that claim. It just always made logical sense to me. So I do used to do this. So when I was,

Starting point is 01:15:00 How did you mess with anything different? You need a specific growth. Yeah, did you mess with anything different to see if there was a difference between the two? In other words, did you go low calorie on other days? High calorie? Yeah, compared to two. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:15:10 Okay. And so again, this, that's all anecdotal, right? So me saying that, oh, I felt or thought I saw a difference, you know, it's, it's hard to say, right? Because of, you know, everything that I had going on, how consistent I was with everything like that. Like, what if I didn't do that? Would it would have made that big of a difference? I don't know. But personally, it just made logical sense that while I was in a cut, and I had areas

Starting point is 01:15:32 that I really wanted to develop, when I would train those muscles, I would make sure that's what I actually fed the most amount of calories, was around those. So you timed it? So yeah, I would take logical sense. That makes logical sense. Yeah, and you'll be most proficient in your lifts, too, on that day if you're fueling that, I would have soon. Right, because think of your total calories for in a seven day period is 21,000 is your maintenance.

Starting point is 01:15:53 21,000 calories is your maintenance. Well, what happens if I, when I train them, either the lifts or the muscles that I really, really wanna focus on, I put a bulk of those calories around those two or three days, and then I live in a deficit the other three or four days. Now, are you doing it? Because I do something similar,

Starting point is 01:16:10 but I don't know if it's the same. So I tend to fuel my body before the workout, not for the recovery. So I do both. So what I would do is like, it would begin on the, that those, it'd be like two-day refeedalments. So I would always try and make, okay, I want to be fueled in.

Starting point is 01:16:27 So I'd, I want to have energy, which would be honestly, it only took a meal or two before that lift. So I could have been coming from a real low calorie two or three days, and then I'm getting ready to go hit lifts that are really important to me or muscles. I'm going to train. Like two to 500 calories. Oh, that, so that, that really depends, Justin,

Starting point is 01:16:43 like where I'm at, at like because my metabolism has been Yeah, you're as low as 2000 some calories just highs 5,000 so it really depends on where I'm at muscle-wise So It would just I would be I would be pushing the calories more on that morning that I'm gonna be training like three four hours later Yep three or four hours later So that would fuel that workout good and then I would make sure after that workout, that was on the higher cali, it doesn't be crazy. I just don't wanna be in a deficit.

Starting point is 01:17:11 Yeah, so let's say my maintenance was 3000. That would be the day I wanted to be 3000 or above. And then the next day I wanted to be at least 3000 or above. And then I would go back down to say 25. I had another day of, day after, and then back on your car. Yes, interesting. Yeah, I've always done it leading into the workout. say 25 day of day after and then back on your cut. Yes. Interesting.

Starting point is 01:17:26 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Starting point is 01:17:42 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really thinking about it, but I know for sure that I consciously try to lead into that workout with more calories. That's always the goal for me. Which makes sense, because then you're gonna get after it more. Yes.

Starting point is 01:17:51 But I was also thinking like recovery wise, I wanna be fed, I don't wanna be catabolic right afterwards, right? I wanna, if I could theoretically prioritize those nutrients to go to building that muscle, I just stimulated and said, hey, we need this, in this area, right? I just did heavy, hard shoulders. And then, and I had the fuel to really get after it. And then it was, okay, yeah, I'm going to eat a surplus. So those

Starting point is 01:18:15 additional calories go to building. That was my theory and how I, how I dieted when I was training. It makes logical sense. I would love to see a study that would look at that. They would just have to control a lot of things. And I do wanna also say this, for the average person, this is a lot of splitting hairs, for the average person. But if you were that person that's really, kinda dialing things in, your sleep is good,

Starting point is 01:18:37 your protein intake is good, your workout programming is good, you wanna develop your glutes, or your hamstrings, you kinda know what you're doing. This is, I think, makes logical sense. I mean, I'm glad you said that because by no means am I being like, oh, that was a huge difference. Like, the huge difference was my sleep, my consistency,

Starting point is 01:18:56 all those other things. But when you were at the level that I was at, when I'm competing at the professional level of bodybuilding, like, I'm now starting to manipulate things like this. Oh, you're tracking, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's like everything. It's like, yeah, I'm only gonna be eating 21,000 calories for the entire week.

Starting point is 01:19:11 Hmm, what happens when I try and make sure I prioritize those calories around the days on the muscle groups that I'm most focused on? And then the ones that maybe I'm not so worried about, I go ahead and look at that. I would bet money that what you're talking about is beneficial, because what you're always trying to do is tip the scale to anabolic versus catabolic.

Starting point is 01:19:30 Why not tip the scale to anabolic on the days where you're training the areas of your body that you're most concerned with? And you're not worried so much about being a little catabolic on those other days when, you know, it's body parts that you're really strong and that your body tends to hold onto muscle width. That's right. Makes a lot of sense. Our next caller is Carlos from Texas. Carlos, what's

Starting point is 01:19:50 happening, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, how y'all doing, man? Good, good, man. Hey, first of all, I want to say thank you for everything that you're gonna do, all the content you'll put out. I know that thing that you'll do, all the content you'll put out. I know that I was just talking about your other morning to some of the guys and they were asking me where I get all this information from. And it wasn't the fitness information. I was explaining to them what a brony was, what a paper was, and stuff like that. So, what's engine life? Yeah, really important stuff. No, I appreciate everything you all do.

Starting point is 01:20:29 And I just got a couple of questions for you. If you need any background, let me know. But I don't think for these questions, there's much needed. The first one I have is, you know, I really enjoy doing static stretching. And I do it last thing in the evening. And my thought process on that is, I think I heard you all say that if we do static stretching, it is our CNS that is telling the muscle to relax. And so I'm thinking, well, if I want to be relaxed and get a good night's sleep, then that'd be the best time to do that.

Starting point is 01:21:07 What are your thoughts on that? I love that. Great idea. You hit the nail on the head, but there's a caveat there, Carlos. The caveat is, when you're doing the static stretching, don't hold your breath, don't push through with intensity. You want to get into the static stretch and breathe and Relax into it because that's telling the CNS that can relax

Starting point is 01:21:29 So that's a very important piece of this static stretching You know issue that you're bringing up. So while you're doing the stretch You want to continue to breathe and try to tell your brain it can relax tell your CNS to relax But yet that is the best time. I mean you literally Should get better sleep doing that. And people who have issues where they jump in bed or they feel like they have restless legs syndrome or they feel a little anxiety, I used to tell my clients to do this

Starting point is 01:21:52 and it worked like magic for a majority of them. So that's a great way to do it. Perfect, good. Yes, and I heard you sell one time, say that that you were doing, I believe a yoga class and you're instructor, you know, you were straining or you were tense and she told you, hey, just just relax a little bit. So I do try to do that when I do my static stretching. Beautiful in the back. I'm going to put it in the back. I'm going to put it in the back. I'm going to put it in the back.

Starting point is 01:22:28 I'm going to put it in the back. I'm going to put it in the back. I'm going to put it in the back. I'm going to put it in the back. I'm going to put it in the back. I'm going to put it in the back. I'm going to put it in the back. I'm going to put it in the back.

Starting point is 01:22:44 I'm going to put it in the back. I'm going to put your thoughts on that. I'm not sure if that's advice I should follow or not. I've heard that too. OK, so there's a couple of pieces here that we want to break down. One is, forget body parts for a second. Look at exercises. OK. Certain exercises just cause more damage.

Starting point is 01:22:58 More demanding. More, yeah, just way more demanding on the body. So look at exercises over body parts necessarily. For example, if I use a hand gripper, that's working my forearms. If I do farmer walks, it's working my forearms. But one of them is going to be way more taxing on my body, require more recovery than the other one, right? So look at exercises.

Starting point is 01:23:18 Number two, we tend to have body parts that tend to be more conditioned naturally than other body parts, just because of our day to day lives. Maybe you walk a lot, so your calves are gonna be a little bit more conditioned than say your upper body. Like when I would train runners, for example, man, if I train their upper body with, anywhere near the intensity that I train their lower body with, when I'd first get my hands on them,

Starting point is 01:23:43 it was just too much. So you wanna consider that as well. Now, as far as I do, some body parts have the ability to recover better than others. I don't know if it's inherent as much as it's individual. Like, if you use your hands a lot at work, you're kind of doing little trigger sessions throughout the day. You're maybe facilitating recovery just for moving them more and they may already be more conditioned.

Starting point is 01:24:05 But I think the bigger thing is looking at exercises. It's exercises more, because I could do leg extensions way more often than I could do barbell squats, both of them work my quads. So I think that's more of a, I think that's a better- It's always a cab for them and ab thing. I know. It's always said, and-

Starting point is 01:24:21 But those are all areas that we use all the time, and I think for the most part you with those all Yeah, so I think most people are just conditioned to use those Those three muscles on a regular basis all the time and so therefore they can handle More of a consistent beating but I also think that opens up an opportunity for actually strength training those areas That I think most people neglect that very few people do five reps for forum exercises. Very few people do five reps for calf raises. Very few people do five reps for abs. So basically strength training.

Starting point is 01:24:51 So instead of like, oh, I wanna do this every day, I would normally tell a client like, listen, you wanna develop your calves, one of you ever ran a five by five type of block for your calves and watch what happens. That was one of the biggest game changes for me when working on my calves was actually switching to five by five because I actually subscribed to the same theory of I was doing calves every day, but they're always like 15, 20, 30 reps, supersetting like burn, burn, burn, burn, same thing with

Starting point is 01:25:16 abs crunches. The most common thing. It's just like it again to the point of it being more demanding. Like if the focus shifts and now you're loading some of those body parts with exercises you're not quite as familiar with or you're doing it in a different cadence, like a five rep, kind of a protocol, you're going to get sore and you're not going to be able to keep continuing that kind of progress the next day if you're getting that type of a stimulus where it's really demanding and it's placing those muscles under that kind of strain. So really, like, what they're talking about for the most part is that they're doing, they're conditioned

Starting point is 01:25:52 already, they're doing, like, multiple sets, they're doing body weight, typically, or it's really just less demanding on those specific muscle groups. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. And I had one more question. So I was wondering if y'all have any quirks or any odd rituals or anything odd that y'all do while you work out and I'm going to give you an example. I work out in an old school hoodie and old school cotton sweats. And the reason I do that, my wife says I'm crazy because in our gym it's about, you know, it's 100 degrees plus. But the reason I do that is because it reminds me of Rocky when he was in the meat packing

Starting point is 01:26:40 plant and he was punching those cows and breaking those calories. But I was wondering if y'all had any weird quirks that y'all do while you're working out? Yeah, well, it's off. Definitely. Yeah, I want you to, while I'm answering your question, I want you to think about any free programs you'd like, because you just mentioned rock and roll. My heart just swelled with me. You know what, let me tell you something. Work out, especially if you work out consistently for years, it's more mental than physical.

Starting point is 01:27:06 So like any athlete, I don't know, I'm sure you, your athletes will wear the same socks during games or they got to tap the top of the door on the way out to the field or, you know, everybody has these rituals. Do they play a role in your performance? Yeah, man, it's all psychological. Do I have rituals?

Starting point is 01:27:23 You better believe it. I wear a wife beater every damn workout. Now, I don't always take off my t-shirt, but it's always underneath. Half the time I take off my t-shirt and then the wife-beater's on. But it's always on me. Why? That's how I worked out when I was a kid.

Starting point is 01:27:36 So it's just a ritual. I feel it. I love it. It just makes me feel good when I'm working out. I also have rituals with, like, if I'm bench-pressing a lot, I'm gonna wear a tight cotton t-shirt. I don't know why. That's what I did when I'm working out. I also have rituals with, like, if I'm bench pressing a lot, I'm gonna wear a tight cotton t-shirt. I don't know why, just that's what I do when I was a kid. Now I like wearing a tight cotton t-shirt. You're under best.

Starting point is 01:27:50 I bet it's like my thunder best. I mean, I like your athlete analogy because I think I'm more quirky when I'm training, right? So I have two modes of, you know, let's say exercise. I'm either exercising or I'm training. Sometimes I'm just exercising. Sometimes I'm just trying to stay healthy. I know I need to move, I need to go in the gym,

Starting point is 01:28:09 I need to live some weights. I'm not really getting after it. I'm really not trying to change anything big in my body. I'm just trying to stay healthy. When I'm like that, I'm less ritual. But when I'm like training and I'm trying to like improve my physique, I'm trying to get stronger. Like I absolutely have like how I prep,

Starting point is 01:28:24 how I get ready to go in the gym, to that down to the outfit that I wear, down to the music that I listen to. And I think it's very similar to the athlete, right? I think there's, I think if I'm a professional baseball player, every time I get up to the plate or get ready for a game, I have this crazy routine. Doesn't mean I can't go out and hit the ball with my son

Starting point is 01:28:41 and I don't have to have that crazy routine, right? So that's the exercise for training analogy. There's times when I'm very, very ritualistic, there's other times when I'm like, whatever. So, but if I'm training, I'm very ritualistic. What's your suggestion? Yeah, why do you think I'm in the mace bells, dude? Cause I'm a Jedi. Okay.

Starting point is 01:28:58 I'm a Jedi when I am doing mobility flows and then I'm a Sith when I'm getting after it. Are you for real? No, but I'm just not real to them real to shut up you can't take it back I want I bet you're thinking that you've got the music and shit background yeah yeah yeah anyway see my head is like I make the noise is the same all that shit I love it men do it Carlos can we give you a program can we give you anything? Sure. Yeah, I have, actually, I just started anabolic. I mean, I did the pre-phase because I just started lifting recently, I say recently, about six months ago, before that, I wasn't doing

Starting point is 01:29:36 anything. My most activity was helping with my kids coaching. And so, I just recently started anabolic. So yeah, just what if you want to have me? I'll be glad to take it. Yeah, let's go with symmetry. We'll send you map symmetry, Carlos. Do that after a map centabolic. Perfect. Hey, and I got one other thing.

Starting point is 01:29:58 And this is for not Justin. First of all, I want to say, my family's going to, going to freak when I tell them that, that I've spoken to the journey man. Yeah. Oh, man. Okay, I'm, I'm tiny beard.

Starting point is 01:30:15 Woo. I'm still a seer beard. And Oz. So yeah, they're going to, yeah. And for Adam, hey, Adam, anytime you want to throw down on some rib Do you let me know you and I can go? Yeah, we'll have a contest and yeah, and we'll make you go out I like it. You do have an edge though. I tell you best best ribs in my life best barbecue my life comes out of Texas I'm changing my life. Yeah, well definitely yeah, yeah, yeah, Carlos. Thanks for calling it man. I appreciate it. Thank you

Starting point is 01:30:42 Okay, I appreciate it guys. Thank you all for everything. Take care man. It always cracks me up when the stuff that someone takes away from Michelle has nothing to do with this. I love it. I love it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:55 And by the way, I'm making a journey man shirt. So it's coming. Like that is, that is, it's gone way too viral to not make a shirt on it. This year. I, uh, um, nobody commented on his go-t there. I was waiting for somebody saying that was like, Justin could, that took some time, dude. Justin's insecure with his tiny beard.

Starting point is 01:31:12 He's like, I see that. Yeah, but he's, I mean, he looks like a master. Like, I want to call it a master splinter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He looked like a kung fu master. And, and Adam, you, you say outfit when you're talking about your workouts, you change the work. Yeah, what?

Starting point is 01:31:24 Yeah, I got my outfit. I'm a winger, bro. Yeah, yeah. Let's say that I'm a winger. What do you call it? Adam you say outfit when you're talking about your workouts you change the work Outfit What do you call it what is your clothes Jim close my outfit Every time you say that Justin and I look at each other. Yeah, you're on a runway I picture you know what call on wait a second. Wait a call you out right now How is it any different if you throw on your chucks and your and your Viori pants and your wife beater? How's that not an outfit? I mean, technically it is. Yeah, but I don't say it's an outfit. It's like the difference between going to a salon and a barber.

Starting point is 01:31:54 Thank you. You know what? Okay, I'm gonna close. And I open it up. I want you to go to a salon. Hey, I want you to be honest right now. Be honest with me. You're very open. Do you put your clothes on the bed like you're wearing them to see what they look like Do you like I don't got to do that anymore that stuff I did I can high school you train yourself enough I know I know what looks good together Well, I can do his room and see you. Yeah. Oh, this is tomorrow morning. This is the night's workout

Starting point is 01:32:16 Yeah, good stuff All right, our next caller is Heidi from Alaska Heidi. How can we help you? Hi guys Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate all the knowledge you guys provide through the podcast as well as your program. So happy to be here. I'll start with my question and then get into a little bit of background and specifics. of background and specifics. It's kind of a high level question, but how does one transition from being an athlete into leading a healthy training-based lifestyle? For a little bit of background, I'm from Alaska, grew up in athletics, played basketball, and Flaud football in high school and then a couple of years of college basketball.

Starting point is 01:33:08 Those are obviously fall and winter sports, so I've always associated those times of year with training and routine and always having something external to show up for and then having like an off-season and summer, but now that I'm no longer playing competitively, it's been a few years I'm not fresh out of college, but it's kind of ingrained in me if I wanted to train during those months and have that consistent routine, but without that like external driver.

Starting point is 01:33:39 So just doing it for myself, but the seasonal aspect of it has led to a little bit of up and down progress versus just consistently over year. So yeah, just wondering what your thoughts are on making that transition from being an athlete to just living a training lifestyle. And on the flip side, are there any benefits

Starting point is 01:34:02 of training seasonally? The woman who loves the journey. Sorry. Walking. Yeah. Walking. I was just waiting for it. No, he's this is sports.

Starting point is 01:34:14 It's shit though. All those athletic questions, he should have to answer last. Oh, okay. I was hoping Justin would start. I was, you know, I still, I had something to tell you right away. I'm not going to have anything to call. I'm going to let. I'm going to let Justin to dance to a rift. And then I was, you know, I still, I had something to tell you right away. I'm like, I'm gonna let, I'm gonna let Justin. I want them to, it's a riff and then I'll give you the real answer. That's how I'm aesthetic.

Starting point is 01:34:31 Yeah, you get there. But it's a tough one. It's definitely tough when a nice struggle, even still to this day because I want a competitive element to what I'm doing. And it's just like, it's a shift in mindset, it's a big shift in mindset. And why I'm joking about the journey thing is because that's something I really had to find a different way to look at training in general in terms of like, I'm just doing this to benefit my body, I'm doing this to, you know, for the long haul. And so everything has to change in terms

Starting point is 01:35:00 of like, now how I approach intensity, how I approach different goals that I set for myself. So I've had to like, you know, parse that out, like which, what's going to drive me in the gym now? And so it took probably a good two years of transition from being an athlete. And I had off seasons, and I'm focused like purely on performance and like how I could, you know, be the strongest guy in the team or like, you know, how that would translate into like how I'm moving and everything on the field. So it was like a completely different shift and I think it's good to introduce yourself

Starting point is 01:35:34 to a completely different training style for a while. And that's something that I kind of went into more of that of like hypertrophy, then went into more body weight training and things that challenged me completely different in mobility. But yeah, this is something that you're just going to kind of have to look at sort of the options and see what draws you in. What might be scary a little bit because it's completely outside of what you would normally

Starting point is 01:35:59 do. But I'm now kind of finding myself back in to a healthier way to find competition and still incorporate that. So I definitely don't say that you need to eliminate that. Because if you enjoy sports, obviously, you know, that's a great activity to be involved in. It's just now we have to kind of manage sort of the intensity and your body upkeep in terms of your joint health and everything else. Listen, Heidi, of all of us that are here, I'm probably the best at this, I'm just gonna say that. So, I'm just gonna put that out there.

Starting point is 01:36:28 I will, so here's the thing, actually being an ex-athlete is definitely to your advantage. I just think that people use it incorrectly and to Justin's point or to build on Justin's point is, and what I learned to do was to take that competitive, because there's a lot of value in the competitive mindset, the consistency, the discipline, all those things are going to play into your favor. If you know how to steer them in the right direction, where people go wrong is they apply that mindset to always intensity, to like my training

Starting point is 01:37:01 session, I have to kill myself, I have to go beyond every every workout has to be better than the last one and they get competitive in the wrong thing. So get competitive with learning a new craft like Justin said if you've never swung a mace bell before You know take your athletic mindset and discipline into getting good at that If you've never done a Turkish get up really really well Take your competitive mindset and get good at that movement. If you've never been really disciplined and consistent with doing mobility flows every single day for 20 minutes, get disciplined about that and be very consistent with that. Those things are all going to serve your overall journey of being what you call a NARP, but a non-athletic regular person, right?

Starting point is 01:37:41 Is that a real love that you bring that? Yeah, is that a real term? Yeah, it's a real term. Yeah. It's a real term, it's probably a... It's normies. I never heard that in college football. I've never heard that before. Once the nars come in, all the rest of the students are there.

Starting point is 01:37:57 I didn't know that was... I had to throw it in there because I saw she wrote that. I was like, what is a narp, dude? That's so great. So yeah, so on your journey to become a Narpe, I just think that it's, athletes use it incorrectly, but there's lots of value of you being having an X, being an X athlete, and just learning how to shift

Starting point is 01:38:17 in the right directions. The number one mistake is they all just go the intensity route. Just think, oh, because I practiced hard, and that got me so far in sports, I'm gonna apply that in the weight room and that's just the wrong way to go about it. And you can still, like, go after things

Starting point is 01:38:33 with that same competitive, disciplined, consistent mindset, it's just lay off the crazy, I have to break myself off in the gym all the time. That's where the athletes go wrong. But I love that you said, like being competitive about mobility and being competitive about restorative types of stuff as well, because the tendency is to then sign up

Starting point is 01:38:54 for like OCR race or some kind of marathon or something like crazy to punish your body. You know, like so I guess it's just, you know, using that same competitive spirit but doing it in ways that are gonna benefit the body in a holistic aspect. Yeah, let's go a little deeper though, because when you're,

Starting point is 01:39:14 except trained athletes, we're trained quite a few, and the challenge is a lot of what they're saying, but the other challenge, which I think is actually the bigger challenge is, when you're in season versus off season as an athlete, when you're training, there's a goal in mind. It's a very specific goal. I have this game or the season.

Starting point is 01:39:31 I need to beat this other team or I need to run faster than my competitors or whatever. Then when you're off season, there is no competition. There is no specific competition. What it fosters is this mindset of on off, which I'm assuming is what you're being challenged with. And if it's on, it's on, and there's a specific target, you actually visualize your competitor, you visualize the sport that you're gonna compete in, and when you're off, you're like, oh, it's off season,

Starting point is 01:39:58 I don't have anything to train for. And the challenge with that is, okay, well, when I'm not playing a sport, how do I stay consistent with this? It is a complete mind, you have to completely shift your mindset. If you ever watch kids play sports outside, not competing, but just playing, what you'll notice is they're just playing for the sake of playing. They enjoy it for the sake of enjoying it. This is what you have to figure out for yourself. There's a lot of different ways to do this. One way is to make you take your competitive nature and to compete in different aspects

Starting point is 01:40:29 of training, like they're saying, or you can compete with mobility, you can compete with speed or power or recovery, but the challenge with that, the problem with that is you're still going to be stuck in that competitive mindset. You're still gonna find yourself sometimes being on and off and always seeking and searching for the next thing to compete for. So really what you really want to, what you really, the ultimately what you want to focus on is how do I do this for the sake of doing it?

Starting point is 01:40:56 Okay, how do I do this and enjoy it for the sake of itself? So this is a mindset shift and it really doesn't matter what you do. I don't care what you do, it could be lifting weights, it could be running, it could be rowing, it could be the sport that you enjoyed competing in. But that's what you're going to have to figure out. And that means you're going to have to be very present in what you're doing and not think about the next goal. In fact, with people like you, first off, ex athletes were some of the hardest people to train after they stopped competing because they didn't understand

Starting point is 01:41:24 that. It was either I have an on switch and it's full speed or it's off. They didn't understand the in the middle or how to like maintain this for the rest of my life. It was really hard thing to do. But the ones that were successful with it, were the people that did it because they just enjoyed it. And in fact, I would tell people like you,

Starting point is 01:41:39 I don't want you to make any goals. I think that's the opposite of what you should do. You're, you know why I'm gonna tell you that Heidi? Because you're gonna make them anyway. Without even trying, you're gonna naturally have these goals. You're gonna naturally remember what you did last workout. You're gonna naturally remember what your performance looks like.

Starting point is 01:41:55 It's like telling somebody within eating disorder, I don't want it to weigh yourself on the scale, even if our goal is to get you, you know, leaner. I don't want you to weigh yourself because that's a trigger. You know it's a trigger for hardcore athletes? Competition, goals, don't make any. Yeah, you're gonna make them naturally,

Starting point is 01:42:09 but don't make any. Instead, enjoy what you're doing. And what does that mean? I don't care. I don't care. Whatever you're doing, find a way to enjoy what you're doing. You know what's gonna happen? You're gonna do it consistently.

Starting point is 01:42:19 You're not gonna stop. There's not gonna be enough season. So ultimately, that's the direction that I would aim for. Sure you do. Okay, yeah, that's all great. I definitely do find myself needing some sort of competition or external driver, but I think focusing on the mobility aspect of it, that's something I've never really done. So shifting my mindset to that and just focusing on getting better or the scale of lifting, it's just needed. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:52 It's inside, it's not outside. That external driver is not gonna be there. And if you're constantly trying to create or find an external driver, it's gonna be really hard to get out of this particular space that you're in. And it's not an easy thing because you've trained yourself You probably were really successful with external drivers a lot of athletes are so you're gonna have to find that internal that intrinsic

Starting point is 01:43:14 Thing that makes you enjoy what you're doing so I could ask you right now. What's your favorite? form of exercise if you were just to do a form of exercise and Forget results forget goals, you just love doing it. Could you name what that is? Oh, it used to be high intensity stuff, but it has shifted to more resistance training over the past year. Okay.

Starting point is 01:43:40 So I would say go to the gym and just practice your lifts, get really good at your lifts, feel your body while you're doing it, enjoy the time that you're spending in the gym, enjoy that present space and develop that new skill. It's a new skill for you. It's not something that you've developed in the past, but if you develop it, you'll find yourself, you know, it's not going to matter what you do. You're going to go in and just enjoy doing it. And then that competitive nature, it's always going to be there. So I would just leave that alone because it's always gonna be there. It's part of who you are now. Just lean in, lean into what makes you nervous and excited. I mean, you'll find what you love, as long as you're still kind of focused on things that, you know, and that's the thing about athletes too, there's always like gonna be a challenge. There's always going to be that mindset's going to be in the back of your head.

Starting point is 01:44:25 It's like not something you're going to erase, but yeah, if you just kind of figure out, like I really enjoy this, like lean into that harder, you know, and do something that makes you a little bit uncomfortable and you'll get better at it. And then you'll get more love towards things that, you know, you're, you're finding enjoyment out of getting better at it. What was your, what was your sport of choice? Basketball. Good deal. Good deal. finding enjoyment out of getting better at. What was your sport of choice? Basketball. Good deal.

Starting point is 01:44:48 Well, yeah, I mean, do you enjoy playing basketball even if you're not competing? I don't mean in the game, obviously within the game itself, you're trying to beat other people, but do you enjoy just playing? Oh, yeah, I mean, I'll just go shoot that the gym by myself. That's fine for me.

Starting point is 01:45:03 Oh, so there you go. That's kind of what I'm talking about. You know, Heidi, I'm gonna send you a program that I think, I'm trying to think of a program that might help someone like you. I was gonna say symmetry. I'm starting week three of some of the time. Yeah, that a girl.

Starting point is 01:45:22 Do you have maps prime pro? I do not know. Okay, we'll send that to you because that's the mobility aspect. You got it. You got it. Right. Very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. You got it. Thank you. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. Thank you guys. Yeah. You know, you ever look at, you see like X pro athletes and a very high percentage of them are really obese. Yeah. Boxers, fighters, football, all like you said, that's switch. It's all or nothing. Exactly. Yeah. So I, you know, I didn't want to argue with you why we're still on with her because we were going to drag that out forever. But I don't know if I fully subscribed to what you said. I do agree with a lot of what you said. But it's really hard to tell somebody who is in, I mean, I think Justin would be lying

Starting point is 01:46:06 if he says that he still doesn't have that competitive that that I'm saying because I'm still lying. Yeah, that'll never die, Sal. I haven't said to kill it. I'm saying, don't feed it even more. So I don't know. Again, I don't know if I agree with that. So what made the progress for me in my, my mobility was my competitive mindset.

Starting point is 01:46:26 Like I became obsessed, like an athlete becomes obsessed about a sport, about becoming mobile because I sucked at it. I was so bad I couldn't get past 90 degrees. I agree. I don't think what you're, I agree with what you're saying. I think if you have a specific goal, it's very useful. The point that I'm trying to make is not about a specific goal, but the point I'm trying to make is,

Starting point is 01:46:48 how do I do this consistently forever without on and off, without doing long periods of being consistent? No, I get what you're saying. I get what you're pointing at. But what you're saying is true. I mean, anytime you have a specific goal, that's going to kick in, and you had that. You did that with the mobility.

Starting point is 01:47:01 Right. It turned on. Right. So I think there's value in that, but when you're talking to someone who's like, how do I stay consistent? Because that's what her question was, like, how does this on season off season thing, it's like, okay, for that, specifically, don't make it, don't, don't feed into that, that's going to happen anyway.

Starting point is 01:47:17 Well, I need that on my own. So that's, that's kind of how I've stayed consistent my whole life. I, what I've learned to do is to shift the focus on something different. All the guys have pie, right? So like if I'm, I was so heavy in the performance chunk of the pie, and now I'm just looking at a different part of that where it's like, okay, I could really lean into the mobility, I could really lean into power speed,

Starting point is 01:47:39 like you're kind of mentioning those different aspects and elements of overall health, wellness, and fitness. So it's just like, it's taking a broader picture of the whole thing and not just staying so hyper focused in that one realm, but you can be competitive in any one of those and keep it rotating indefinitely. You can, and that's what I'm trying to say.

Starting point is 01:47:58 I'm not taking away that at all that element. I think that's an important thing. I know, but it comes off that way when you tell her to completely, you would tell her to completely shift her mindset and then just do what you love. And it's like, that's cause I'm talking to her. I know. I, I, I, I, that's why I didn't, I didn't want to argue with you while you're on with her because I think you made some good points that I think are important, but I don't fully subscribe to that. I just, I, I, I have remained a competitive

Starting point is 01:48:23 athlete, uh, since the, since the day I picked up a ball and played sports. And I I just, I, I have remained a competitive athlete since the, since the day I picked up a ball and played sports. And I've just, what I've learned to do is to see the things that the, the addictive behaviors of the bad things that it can lead to, like you, you're, you're alluding to and the on and off, because I absolutely went through that phase. And what I've learned now to do is to just shift that focus to Justin's point of looking at, you know, being healthy and fit as this big sphere, and it's not this little tiny pie, it's this massive giant pie,

Starting point is 01:48:51 and that, okay, I'm just gonna be competitive, and sometimes being competitive is being competitive with recovery. Yeah, totally. You know, like, I'm gonna be, so I'm about to get competitive with myself, where I'm waiting for this cold plunge to get done, and you bet your ass, I'm already formulating

Starting point is 01:49:05 a competitive goal with myself of how I'm gonna use it. Oh yeah, I just, I mean, that's, I think that's a winning strategy. If you were talking to you, back when you were struggling with the on-off, right? Maybe when you were in your 20s, I don't know. When you were struggling with the on-off, Yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:21 That would be, the discussion might be a little different. Now, who you are now is very different. You've been doing this for a very long time. You you figured it out. You're obviously very consistent now, but you went through that period of on off. It's like, look, it's like talking to somebody about body composition, who has body image issues. Usually what I'll do is I'll say, don't look in the mirror, don't analyze your body, don't weigh yourself. Does that mean there's no value in looking in the mirror and weighing yourself? Of course not.

Starting point is 01:49:47 It's just in that period of time, we gotta figure out how to develop a different relationship. And then you can go back and it's gonna be there. The competitive part of you, and look, I get very competitive too, and I didn't compete in traditional sports, but I get also very competitive with things that I'm doing with my train.

Starting point is 01:50:01 I change it all the time. But I'm talking about all of it. I think we both agree on the destination that we want to go to, and I think we're, we don't completely agree on how to get to that destination. So I don't necessarily, again, I don't necessarily fully disagree with what you're saying, because we both agree on the desired outcome

Starting point is 01:50:18 that we're trying to get. I just have a different approach to it. I would just communicate that to somebody like her consistently, and just, you're right, at that age, you know, she may not have that completely, she hasn't come full circle like I have at 40 years old, but I don't know if necessarily trying to stifle her competitiveness would be the way that I would do it. Also, keep in mind, you guys already talked about that. I'm adding on top of what you guys said. So if you had you not said what you said, I would have definitely thrown that in because

Starting point is 01:50:44 I think that's all part of it, but I think it's a balanced, has to be a balanced. I'm gonna kind of add to your point, Sal, like in terms of like that transitional period. So for me, it was, there was a bit of an on-off where it was, like I was like, I don't know what to do. Like there's this transition of like trying to find yourself

Starting point is 01:51:04 because you identified, so strongly with being an athlete. I think that you challenge her mindset to then shift into just being in the gym is a valuable part of the process, just showing up. To then take you back into then, I can focus on something and have that drive again and use it towards things that are gonna benefit me in long term, but there's that window I had to really have that crazy hardship because I was such a strong, identified athlete.

Starting point is 01:51:36 Oh, it's one of the hardest, some of the hardest clients ever trained were ex-athletes because of that. Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, athletes are, it's really tough to get them out of the intensity mindset. Athlete mindset, yeah. And I think we all did point on something and said it in different ways that, you know,

Starting point is 01:51:52 go in there and focus on an exercise or a movement and be competitive with getting good at it. Totally. Like that, I mean, and part of getting good at it is, you know, you got to lighten the load and you work on technique, and you slow down the reps and you analyze the form. And can I be competitive in my mindset? Yeah, I get this to the point where I just enjoy doing it for the sake of it. Right, right, totally.

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