Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1898: The Truth About Tri-Release Protein Supplements, the Maximum Amount of Protein You Should Consume in a Meal, the Best Close Grip Exercise for Tricep Development & More

Episode Date: September 9, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. 1898: The Truth About Tri-Release Protein Supplements, the Maximum Amount of Protein You Should Consume in a Meal, the Best Close Grip Exercise for Tricep Development & More Mind Pump Fit Tip: Of all the things you can do to positively affect your health, supplements are largely a waste of time. (2:24) At what point can you justify wearing driving gloves in your fancy car? (11:24) Tony Horton is a scammer. (15:57) Biohackers will try and do anything! (18:24) Mike O’Hearn, stop it! (22:30) Lifestyles of the rich and the famous. (28:54) California politician’s sending out mixed messages. (36:18) Mind Pump’s favorite Vuori pants. (40:15) How Sal is making an effort to become more self-aware of his physical state. (43:12) The top things Adam has done for his psoriasis. (52:07) #Quah question #1 - Is it true that your body can only absorb 30g of protein in a sitting? (59:26) #Quah question #2 - What are your thoughts on tri-release proteins? Are they a gimmick or do they have legit benefits? (1:05:25) #Quah question #3 - I treat static stretching like trigger sessions, a couple of times a day for the specific muscle I’m stretching. Is this a good or bad thing? (1:08:14) #Quah question #4 - What are your thoughts on incline vs flat close grip bench press for tricep development? (1:14:46) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** September Promotion: Skinny Guy Bundle (MAPS ANABOLIC // MAPS AESTHETIC // NO B.S. 6-PACK FORMULA // INTUITIVE NUTRITION GUIDE // OCCLUSION TRAINING GUIDE.) HALF OFF!! Also, the Fit Mom Bundle (MAPS ANYWHERE // MAPS ANABOLIC // MAPS HIIT // and INTUITIVE NUTRITION GUIDE.) HALF OFF!! **Code SEPT50 at checkout** Riparo Genuine Leather Full-finger Driving Gloves Tony Horton Launches New Supplement Line to Help Build Muscle Over 60 SpermidineLIFE Inside Michael Jordan’s ‘unsellable’ mansion: the Chicago Bulls legend’s US$14.9 million former home has been on the market for a decade and still doesn’t have a buyer – but why? Watch Selling Sunset | Netflix Official Site Californians asked to not charge electric cars — days after gas ban announcement Tip: Determine Your Testosterone Level Instantly - T NATION WHAT IS EMDR? Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout** Which is Best - Mobility or Stretching? - Mind Pump Blog MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Build Your Triceps with Angles – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Tony Horton (@tonyshorton) Instagram Mike O’Hearn (@mikeohearn) Instagram Ronnie Coleman (@ronniecoleman8) Instagram Kai Greene (@kaigreene) Instagram Joe Donnelly (@joedonnellyfit2.0) Instagram

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but you have to use the code, S-E-P-T-50, with no space for that discount. All right, here comes the show. Of all the things you can do to positively affect your health, athletic performance, ability to build muscle and burn body fat, way down at the bottom of the list are supplements. They are largely a waste of time

unless you're super advanced and have everything dialed in, in which case they can help maybe 1%. I wanna believe those, so I really wanna believe. I'm glad you brought this up, because we recently had a live call or ask us a good question around creatine, right? And feeling it, new first time, lifter or relatively new lifter,

has heard everybody touting creatine decides to get it and is like confused on, I don't think I feel it or I'm not sure if I feel it. I'm so glad you brought that up because of all the supplements that exist for, that are erogogenic, right? Erogogenic type supplements, performance enhancing, build muscle, that kind of stuff. Creatines the best, it has the most studies. It's got a lot of thousands of human studies.

It's proven to work and even creating. You take creating. It's not going to blow your mind. Supplements are largely a waste of time. For 99% of people watching this, supplements are a waste of time to focus on. Now, the problem is that the industry is fueled by the profits that come from supplements. And I get this. Most of the money made in the fitness and health space comes from pills and powders. So it's natural that the information that we get from the health and fitness space

is gonna come through that lens, right? If I'm gonna write articles and blogs and do podcasts and do media, a lot of us can be directed towards helping me sell my products. So it's this distorted view of what's important, what's not important. I mean, the truth is, literally, if you look at a pie of all the things that could affect your health and improve your health and your fitness and all that stuff, 98.9% would be your lifestyle, your sleep, your diet, your exercise.

A lot of free stuff. And then 1.1 percent would be supplements. The only time supplements make a big difference is when you actually have a nutrient deficiency, which most people don't take supplements for that at all in order to have nutrient efficiencies that need solving, usually, right? When that's the case, it makes a big difference,

but it doesn't make, it's just one of those things. You know, this conversation also highlights, like because the kid was asking about not feeling it and not sure if it was working, but it also highlights why the largest category of supplement sales is pre workouts. You feel it. Because it's the one, it is the supplement that you,

and why the game is just keep pumping more caffeine, more caffeine. I remember when pre-workout first kind of at the market, well, I should backpedal first because I know there was things like Jack 3D, the Dr. Jack Hold Mr. Hyde stuff. Like, there was a few companies out there that was pumping pretty high caffeine, but I've watched, you know, it go up and up and up. Like it started off being like 100, 100 milligrams to 200 milligrams of caffeine. It had a fedra back in the day and then they got rid of that

and then had to go to the caffeine. And so anything to equate towards that kind of feeling had to be a high. Yeah. I remember when the pre-workout market, so the first actual supplement kind of brand that market itself is a pre-workout. By the way, I'm a supplement fanatic,

and I have probably an unhealthy relationship with supplements. So I'm communicating through that, right? So I understand, I get the whole, I get the market, I understand what's happening. Now I remember as a kid, there was a product called Ultimate Orange. This was the first product to be marketed as a pre-workout, and it had a fedricafian,

it had the ECA stack, a fedricafian aspirin. I mean, you take it, it's like, you're gonna feel it. But it wasn't super popular yet. It was really hardcore people kind of took it. And then it was like super pumped to 50, came out. And what they did with some of these pre-workouts is, and it was brilliant marketing. It was so brilliant, right?

The classic before and after, right? 30 days, this is what you could look like? 30 days is what you could look like. 60 days which you could look like. And what they did with these pre-workouts that was brilliant is they showed before pump after pump. So they took muscular guys, because the more muscle you have and the leaner you are, the more dramatic you look when you get a pump.

I mean, I look like I gained 15 pounds of lean body mass when I get a pump sometimes, right? Yeah. By the way, if you see a picture of me on Instagram, it's with a pump. It's never flat. By the way, too, see a picture of me on Instagram, it's with a pump. It's never flat. By the way, too, people are always arguing the wrong point

when they see that. I get sent, this can this be true, or this is it real? It's like, no, it's actually probably really that guy, and he probably really is the course of a month or whatever like that. You can dramatically change the way somebody looks with carbs, water, a pump, and lighting. I mean, dramatically.

Yeah, but let's also go. Let's also step back for a second. What they do a lot of is they take a shredded, you know, presentation stage at the back stage. And they say gain a bunch of body fat. I got pitch. That was, I got pitch that all the time. That's your posture.

And that will make that the before picture. When you go to shows, okay, so when you get into the competitive space, shows are dominated by supplement companies that, if it wasn't for supplement companies, bodybuilding shows wouldn't happen. They are the ones that sponsor and advertise. So when you see these backdrops and you see all these brands back there, they've all donated thousands and thousands of dollars for these,

these shows to even happen. And what they do is they send a Representative from that company that is in the audience watching and they are looking for somebody in the top five who's good looking Good looking top five and then they approach them afterwards and they try and get them to attach to their brand So they don't even have to never use their product before they got shredded that way without even knowing the brand They come up and they say, hey, we would like to sponsor you as an athlete, pay you to advertise.

One of the, okay, yeah, it sounds great. I was a broke body builder. This sounds like a great idea. I need money anyways. So you agree to it. And then one of the first campaigns they do is, here we are, you're already shredded. So let's take those photos and let's get you in this week,

if you can. And that's the after. And this becomes your after. And then go ahead and if you can. And that's the after. Yeah, and this becomes your after, and then go ahead and put weight on. And that'll be the before. Yeah, and then we take photos after you put on 15, 20 pounds. And then you switch those, and it's like,

wow, dude, got hella shredded. No, actually he was shredded and then gained body fat. And they switched those. The other thing that they do is they'll go after someone who's got a lot of muscle memory, who kind of got out of shape, in which case they can get in shape really quick or Like you said Adam. There's a lot you could do with lighting and super strict everything and crazy stuff and

Yes, you can make people look different But with they do these pre workout campaign, which was brilliant is they showed pre pump post pump So they said here's John before the workout and he's staying there And he's you know, he's cold. But you can tell you has a lot of muscle But he's kind of cold in the pump and then this is afterwards, he's got a pump, it looks dramatic. And then they're like, you know, super pump, 250 or ultra pump or whatever the supplement was. And it was brilliant marketing and people bought it and you're right, you can feel it. But these supplements do so little, they do so little for your success, they can be fun

to take, you know, you can protein powder is going to help if you don't get enough protein in your diet and all that stuff. But man, I got gotta keep communicating this. You know, I know we're sponsored by supplement companies. They know, we're very honest about this. I think that's one of the reasons why our audience trusts us. I'm not gonna lie. They don't make that big of a difference.

No supplements make that big of a difference. They just don't. I just feel like no matter how many times we say it, it's just the human psychology. I know. It's so much more powerful. This is always gonna work. And I mean, I catch myself even like looking at a picture and looking at like, you know,

and obviously, whatever you guys just described, or it's doctor or whatever, but I'm still like drawn to it. I'm like, oh, what is this? And it's just like, I don't know that, I guess I would compare it to like, you're going to a magician, like you're watching a magician on stage

and you know there's a trick to this and you know that like there's a slight of hand, you know there's like, you know, all this logical explanation for what's going on, but the same time you're just like, whoa. Oh, you also know magic, I think it's real. You also want to believe so hard that you could take something that will not require you to change your lifestyle.

But dramatically change the way you look and the way you feel. Western medicine feeds into this as well with how we use drugs and medications and stuff. Totally. And so it's, you want to believe that. There's also the factor of having disposable income too. Right. I mean, that's kind of how I've always looked at it. It's like, listen, if I have the extra the money,

and even if it gives me half of a 0.05% edge, and it doesn't hit my pocketbook. This is also after you're working out consistently, you're watching your dies. Yeah, yeah, you're watching your sleep. Yeah, no, true. I mean, that's definitely, there's no way I would be wasting some of those.

Like someone putting a decal on their car because I want to go faster That's the first thing to do is put a sticker But I mean if you want your car to look cool You can forward the decal it doesn't matter You know flames you know, I've been saying this the spoiler analogy forever and it is like throwing a Actually, it's like putting a racing steering wheel under car. That's even better I had this way this I totally did not think about this till right now. I had this, I was driving the day, I was driving fast.

At what point, like how fast of a car, or how nice of a car do you have, do you need to have to justify getting driving gloves? I really want to. I saw some of the other people. I really want driving gloves. Why, why do you wear driving gloves? Why do people wear them? There's two reasons why. There's two reasons why. And driving gloves. Why do you wear driving gloves? Why do people wear them? There's two reasons why.

There's two reasons why. And driving slow. Well, I mean, one, I mean, you get the oil on your hand and so it will tarnish like nice steering wheels. She have like really nice swaying or really real, real wood. So in like your Bentley or whatever like that, you don't want to tarnish, tarnish that from the oils.

And then also you get a better grip on the wheel. You know what I'm saying? So would you do what you're real bro? You know what what point what point can I justify putting my gloves on bro this morning. I was driving. I want to get a pair I'm gonna make that popular. I got a loan. Is there a rule dog? Is there a driving glove? I don't think so you have a pair don't you? I do not but now that you mention it you should do it Yeah, I don't think you need to have a reason to just do it. Oh, is that? Have you seen the Ferrari shoes?

Like, like, some of these guys were, that are just like all pointy and narrow, like, you know, red, just like their cars. I've always heard that was funny. It was rocking, like, and that was actually Ferrari one. There's Ferrari shoes for a jacket. So pretty. So pretty.

So pretty. So pretty. So pretty. So pretty. So pretty. So pretty. So pretty. So pretty. So pretty. that the hat and everything that and then not have one. I just think that's really. If I got it, if I got it, and someone's car, and then they'd put all gloves to dry. I'm gonna do it. My friend, you said,

why were you changing that as a friend? If you were up, the top selling, driving gloves on Amazon, and go ahead and order me a pair on the company. No, you're not. For that, I'm sort of, the move is you get driving gloves. I'm gonna get you an ass cut as well.

Like a scarf that goes around the neck. I actually have that already. Yeah, the key ring. So that, when my friends did that, and we used to go out to the bars or whatever, and he would have like a key chain of just like a Ferrari and like would just like throw keys in the bar. I'm like, do you hear such an ass-

You know what that leaves you? Hey, you know what though? We grew up in the era of worthless car accessories. Because remember when car racing got popular and you had the fast Japanese cars or whatever. And there was all these, you could get a short shifter. I had a hundred and seventy-five, I had a short shifter. I mean, all the stuff is adds up on racing

in the quarter mile, right? So that's where that's all. Which I never did, right? Okay, okay, let's do the... Bro, I swore to God if you were. I swore to God I will, bro. I want to do the ones on the back of the row. To back of the row. I think all those brown, actually, you know what,

let's do those brown ones though, the top left. Is that the highest rated? Uh, boy, let me see. Oh, there's red ones. Go the red ones, I'll match my tier here. Go the, go over. Go back, go back, go back, go back, go back. Okay, I went go back. Oh, man so much pressure. Oh, no, no, what's do? Okay, I'm gonna be fine I'm okay there we go. Oh, yeah, there you go. Oh

Yes Get me those I'm assuming you want the The knuckles cut out oh to free the knuckle yeah Yeah, I guess I'm actually the knuckles cut out. Oh to free the knuckle. Yeah, yeah, you have a knuckle. Yeah, free in the nipple. Yeah, I guess you you backhand your assistant or something of the back because you're that pretentious. Let me see the white ones for Justin. Oh, yeah, definitely hook me up. They got white and I think they go row and do that. So that's the end. Let's go. Can we start now you see me? Now you don't. Bro, you have you can do this. I'm not going to work. Let me see the other colors you weird. Can we start from here? Now you see me, shh, now you don't. Bro, you can do this too. I'm not gonna work gloves with the guy.

Let me see the other colors for Sal. We're getting one pair for everybody. I don't want card right away. Doug, what do you want? Doug, get the brown, the brown. Look at that. These are black with red stitching. Oh, those.

That's the ones you want right there. Those are the ones I want. I want those. You get the brown ones just to get the white ones. Sal doesn't get to be participate. Yeah, that's all right. You guys all have the same color. That's fine.

You don't get to participate in this. No, I won't be wearing no gloves on I drive. So it is still a thing. I mean, obviously they sell them on there. How many reviews? It's got a lot of reviews too, no? Yeah, almost 1200 reviews. People weren't, so there's at least 1200 people.

Yeah, people weren't workout. I'm gonna order lattes just like with those on. When I, when I, this, actually, I have a loaner car right now because I had to take my car in to get some noise fixed or whatever. So I'm driving this small like 330, you know, BMW 330,

yeah. And it's coming to work, and I was late to be on a podcast. I think I'll find it as a drive a small car. Do you know how it's power sliding over here on the side of the car? Especially when it's not yours. No, per-err.

You know how it's like to drive a small car but it's not yours, too? Bro, I scared the shit, cause there's a little home missing campment underneath the Overpass over there, so I power slide Yeah, it was a good time. It's good fun. I'm so excited. I'll reimburse the company. Doug go ahead and get those Anyway, so speaking of supplements. So here's just two things that got me on this topic one was that stupid ad you sent us from what's the name? Tony Horton. Yeah, did you know? Okay, so I he he from what's the name? Tony Horton. Did you know?

Okay, so he got what was the disease he got? What was the condition? It's the one that Bieber had. The Ramsey, it's what's called Ramsey or something? Something like that. Someone that Justin Bieber had where you lose Justin Bieber. I didn't even know Justin Bieber had that. Yeah, he did.

So he got Ramsey Hunt. Ramsey Hunt. Yeah, it's Syndrome. Neurological. Neurological. Peralysis in the face and yeah, and had the neurological looks like Bell's Palsy Bell's Palsy And he I mean he was like in a wheelchair He'd like lost all kinds of all kinds of anyways He had the ad the ad and it's a brilliant. It's a brilliant ad with so ridiculous

It's like this this attractive girl and she's like, you know, you know, there's this compound Did you know she starts off? Did you ever wonder what happened in the P90? What a guy and then he has a crazy story You know, you know, there's this compound. Did you know, she starts off, did you ever wonder what happened to the P90? What happened to him? And then he has a crazy story. Yes. And then they go down this thing like, like he lost all this muscle and like, you know, it was hopeless.

And but, yeah. And there's this compound, there's this compound that builds muscle without working out. And it's based on, and she goes, it's based on actual science. That's actually not, none of that other kind of stuff. Yeah, actual, nothing, but that P90 x science, you know what I'm saying? You based on actual science. That's actually not, not that other kind of stuff. Yeah, actual, not that P90x science, you know what I'm saying?

Propaganda science. You know what the compound is? The compound, it's first of all, it's a plant protein powder. Okay, great. Is that what it it was? Yes, and they added HMB. HMB is a metabolite of Lucy and I've talked about this before. And yes, there are studies that show that if you give it

to old people, that they build a little bit of muscle because it's a signal of muscle growth just like the amino acid leucine. I've taken HMB 5 bazillion times and you don't notice it. You just don't notice it. No, you don't notice it. And if you're protein and take is high, it doesn't do anything. But they would have. What a cock sucker.

If you didn't make enough money already on P90X, you still got to be scamming people and you're like 65 years old. Yeah. And do you remember? I remember the P90X, you still got to be scamming people and you're like 65 years old. Yeah, and do remember, I'm long, guys. Do you remember the P90X? It's a success for us, dude. Yes. Do you remember that?

My dad used to do them. I remember, I remember I was an early trainer. I was like when I was 20 years old and my dad bringing it to me and showing it to me and being like, oh, so he's like, ranting and raving all by. I'm like, dad, you do see it. Because it comes with a diet.

Basically, it comes with like a 1500 calorie diet and plyometrics six days a week. I'm like, yeah, no shit dad. You lost weight You say you literally starved your body and you went for being like a couch potato to do plyometrics in your living room And I feel terrible, but I lost weight. Yeah, I remember a client would bring it to me and they're like, oh man I couldn't even make it through have to work almost through up Is it great? Yeah, no, it's not a bucket is awesome So here's the second thing right so last night I was on with the NCI coaches and one of the guys on there, love this guy.

He's on there all the time. He brings up this new compound that the biohackers have been talking about because supposedly it's good for longevity. It's called Spurmedine. Is it real? That's the name of it. Is it in the name?

Like the name, that's in the compound. Justin's Call of Duty call sign. Yeah. I've seen him game. It's permadeen. It's permadeen. You know, he there's permadeen. It's so permadeen of my face.

That's what I think. Oh my God. It's permadeen of my fun. It's an active compound. So the guy brings it up and he's like, I've heard about this. It's supposed to be good for longevity. I'm like, spermadeen. I'm like, huh, I wonder where that's from. I brings it up and he's like, I've heard about this. It's supposed to be good for longevity. I'm like, spermidine. I'm like, huh, I wonder where that's from.

I looked it up, sure enough, it's a compound found in semen. And that's where they get the name spermidine. It's also found in food. It's a compound found in foods. And there are some animal studies that show that it might help with mitochondrial health and maybe longevity. Doesn't mean you should take it because who knows what it, you know

what's gonna do whatever but anyway it's just a new supplement and it's called springing and they find it in semen. Any okay any since we're we're ragging on supplements today. Send the study to your wife. Yeah. What drew him in that direction? I because I guess the these these biohackers are talking about it. They'll do anything. I well I mean, I'm sure, yeah, exactly. Any predictions on, I mean, I think a long time ago, we predicted like the, if there's gonna be a big breakthrough in supplements, it's gonna be somewhere around the myostatin block or something like that.

Do you still stand by that? That that'll be the probably the next. Well, I'd drug. Yeah, yeah, if they do that. My God, when they, when they experiment on animals and they, they mess with that myostatin The muscle they grow is it would make it would make anabolic steroids that like flinstone vitamins like nothing So yeah, that'll be the bit when if they figure that out that's like a switch. It's literally like a switch you try

I mean, what what about like peptides though? What would you put that in the what category would you put that in? Oh, peptides have real effects in the body. I mean, these are real... So does the supplements or else they wouldn't exist. Well, I mean, we are comparing them. No, I wouldn't use, I would not use peptides without doctor supervision because they have real effects on hormones in the body.

And that could be good or bad to pay on the individual. Whereas supplements largely do nothing often. So go ahead and take them, I guess, as much as you want. Although some do have lots of effects, like stimulants and stuff, but no, peptides, I would do do doctor supervision. But again, even antibiotics steroids are not gonna give you all these crazy results

without diet and exercise. Even that, even the most effective, ergogenic, illegal black market, whatever, is still not gonna make you. You could give, and I remember learning this as an early trainer. I thought bodybuilders and athletes looked the way they did because of steroids.

That's what I thought. Until I started working in gyms, and 50% of the trainers take a bunch of animal insurance. I'm gonna say, still. Until I start taking steroids today. So they're just, yeah, and they're just like super puffy and bloated, and they like were never getting muscle. I'm like, what's happening? I thought and they like were never getting muscle like it. What's happening?

I thought it was like I had a crazy fight for his experience with steroids I got and I was a skinny kid. I got I got leaner. I got pissed I was like I had the whole point of me taking off back then was I wanted because your diet wasn't great. Yeah Yeah, no, of course, you know, I just I I didn't couldn't figure that out I worked with this guy. I won't say his name, but he this was back when I own my had ownership of a gym down in Palm Spring area. And so Mexico is real close, right? So he would go down there with this trainer and they'd come back with all these steroids.

And this other trainer was kind of a bodybuilder had everything dialed in. I mean, you could tell that he would get on gear and stuff. This other guy was this sales guy that worked for me. And he was kind of into working out, kind of not a garbage. Anyway, he goes on, and he was a kamikaze kind of guy. So this is the kind of guy that, you know, if you go out drinking with him, he'll, he, like, he just goes crazy.

No regard for itself, right? Yeah. He was taking doses of anabolic that all of us were like, bro, you're gonna hurt yourself. You're gonna kill yourself. This is dangerous. Like, what are you doing? He gained like seven pounds, maybe seven pounds of muscle, maybe, and bloated.

He didn't look, and I remember, that's when I was like, oh, okay, this stuff is not magic. Yeah, like you know, since we're talking about steroids and supplement pedaling, I feel like we should bring up your boy. Hmm, yeah. Who? Michael, or boy? Oh, what about him?

Have you seen him right now? It's crazy. Dude, that guy, I don't care if you're on all the steroids. That guy looks amazing. He's got a superhero. He has a superhero. But why, why continue to deny the Annabelle use? Maybe it's like, maybe he's on his through.

To me, it, stop it. Well, hey, stop it. You've met pro athletes, you've met people that blow your mind, you never know. Bro, the guy's like 70 years old and he still looks amazing. He's fucking old now, dude. He's like 50 or 60. 50s or 60s.

He's in his 50s. He's 53. He's not old. He's old as fuck. He's not sure. Anyway, you know, it's amazing. Could you please pull up his Instagram, his most recent photos that he's got. He just did like some shoot or something like that. And he pops.

Well, look, here's a deal. He popped up in my feed. Maybe, maybe you're right. Maybe not. Maybe you're right. But boy, genetics can be crazy. Jack Lillain in his seventies. Bro, he, okay.

Yeah. He has all of it. He has the genetics. He has the work ethic and he has the anabolic. Like it's not, my point is not to take that. Like his physique is amazing. Even for somebody who takes all the steroids. I know, not, my point is not to take that, like his physique is amazing, even for somebody who takes all the steroids. I know, but dude, I don't know.

Okay, do you know what Ronnie Coleman looked like before he took anabolic steroids? I do, not like this guy. Oh, the page of you want me to start it. It's not his main Instagram, is it? Bro, yeah, that's his main one. Ronnie Coleman. Oh, I'm blocked from that one.

It's his other, it's his training. I wonder why. I don't know why he blocked me That's how part of why I'm talking shit right now because I never did anything or say anything about him ever or ever Comment on stuff and he's a guy I've been blocked. Yeah, well fuck him Block me and I never said any shit about Michael. You must have no I didn't I never when have I ever talked about him or or maybe you In a bad mood and I've never no no not at all Well, so Ronnie Coleman would get top 15 in the that when he was natural

Okay, you could pull up pictures of Ronnie. I see them top 15 natural and he was bigger than him for sure massive So I don't know man genetics are crazy dude. I don't know so who knows? He's strong as fuck. It doesn't make me when he was 19 years old. Michael Herne was a powerlifting champion judo champion, California judo champion. That's Ronnie Coleman natural right there. Pull him up right at the top. That's not Ronnie Coleman. There's it. Yes. That's him as a teenager, bro. Wow. Natural. You don't need to get a box steroids. Yeah. This whole story. He tells it's your story. I mean, I know he's amazing. That was him natural. That's natural right there. Yeah, this whole story he tells a story. I mean, I know he's amazing. That was him natural. That's natural right there Yeah, I still I still and then he got on gear and then he looked like I mean obviously Ronnie Coleman

Nobody comes close so you you still believe there's a possibility that my I think there's a possibility because I've seen some Okay, give me a percentage possibility then what do you think like one and a million like I'll do that I think he has the one and a million genetics So I would say that the possibility's 50-50 is what I would say. Oh wow, you think it's that close of a chance. Cause he's not, I mean, he does look insane dude. He looks crazy, but he's always looked like that.

And he's got crazy strength for a size even. Like even for a size, he's, Michael Herne is hell is strong. Yeah, hell is strong. Yeah, I don't, I mean, it doesn't take any parents. Or what bro, have you seen this little boy? Yeah, it's little boy. No, I haven't. He's got the genes. I mean, he's a fellow strong. Yeah, I don't mean to me. It doesn't take any parents or what? Bro, have you seen this little boy? Yeah, as little boy. No, I haven't. He's got the jeans.

I've got the jeans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As little boy already looks like, just looks like he's gonna be. I mean, it's really wild how crazy these genetics can go. What's his name? Who is that football player? I don't believe it. He came out.

He's a herchial walker. You're saying herchial walker at 57 years old? Uh, it's Jack. I mean, just insane. It looks better than I could ever look in this I mean low Jackson back in the day Yeah, but I feel like I mean the Ronnie Coleman that Ronnie Coleman picture blows my mind because I haven't seen that one before I've seen Ronnie Coleman before and I don't know I would question if that's one of his ones before steroids. It is. Yeah, yeah, that picture that actual picture

Yeah, the one that Doug pull up because I've seen you could look at him post and priest steroids and there's a difference Well, yeah, of course. I mean, he's a he's a he's a you know, who else was crazy looking before they took here? Kai Green. Kai Green used to compete naturally and he looked crazy and was muscular. Now he obviously looked totally different afterwards, but he looked. I also you're also missing one other fact.

The guy is 53 years old too. I mean, there's there's another part that is like, I was running Coleman look right now. Well, that's, you heard himself, bro. That's messed up. You're brutal. You messed the spine up. You know who, okay, so Jacqueline at 70, and now Jacqueline, nobody's gonna argue,

he took steroids, okay? Jacqueline at 70 years old for his birthday, pulled, robots full of 70, total 70 people, and swam from short Alcatraz. Pulling with his teeth and his hand and his feet were clothed. And that's recorded. When he was 50, I think he was 50, he set the world record and pull up some pushups

that took a decade. So you say 50, 50, just to where you at on it. I know you're not like a steroid expert guy. Yeah, I mean, me and I being like, in your guys world, I just look at him as a specimen. Like, there's gotta be some enhancements to that though. I don't know, I just can't, it's hard for me to see somebody that like super genetically gifted.

I mean, obviously like Ronnie Coleman, that look ridiculous to me. So I would give it like a, I say like more than the 80, 20 site. 80% he's probably on something. Has anybody tried to do the only one in advanced age? So what would you say? What I mean, that should, to him, he should be as a copy in somebody who knows what it's like to work out at that age.

Yeah, he's a different animal. I couldn't answer that. I wonder, has he done drug tests? He's done drug tests in the past when he competed, but has he, has he been able to do it? You know what's so funny about that? I'm on anabogs and I could time my drug tests to make people think that I'm not on steroids.

That's true. Like that's, by the way, that is like the most, you know, uh, you know, who does that? What's the other? I mean, Lance Armstrong. What's the guy that we had on our show? Every drug test. What's the name? What's the guy on our show that we had a long time ago?

Who does one? No, no, no, no, who doesn't like us? Oh, it doesn't like us. Oh, no, no, we did it jointly. Yes, thank you. Joe Donnelly did that, right? Guy's lied about being honest. That guy is like taking all kinds of stuff.

And then all you have to do is time your cycle. I mean, I take my shot once a week, if I were just to prolong my shot by 10 days, I would look like I have terrible testosterone because it goes all the way back down. Yeah, all ask me, I mean, in the football world, they do that all the time. It's like they time it out, so they miss it.

They do your drug test for us. Well, yeah, steroids, but there's a lot of other stuff we see here. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna do a muscle building here, but what else are you taking, dude? Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man, it's crazy.

Well, speaking of legends, what are I, did you guys see that Michael Jordan, I guess, hasn't been able to sell his like amazing mansion? Well, he's been trying to sell that for 2012. Yeah. Wait, since 2012, nobody will buy it. How much? Well, I think it's what they do.

It's some very specific number that adds up to 23, but it's like 12 million. No, it's a very specific number. It's either 23 million for his number or it has a significant. It adds up to it. So it's on the market for 14.9 million. Sorry, 14.9 million.

Yeah, but it might have dropped a bunch of times. Originally it was 29 million. 29. Yeah, so no 23. So here's the thing though. So the whole thing and I've actually, I've been there. Like I, like I used to, oh you see it? Yeah, because it's in dear field area

and I used to go to school there So Chicago Chicago we drive through there all the time in this suburb and it huge gates like 23 big, you know bold and then there's like a Where the security guys are like with this this whole like set up for them But like this compounds like enormous and you can't really see it unless you're like flying above it. Um, but the thing is it's such,

it's so specific to Michael Jordan. Like I think that's the problem. So that's so I, I watched a whole YouTube thing on it. Like, it's too custom. So when someone broke it all down and that's exactly what they said was just like you, you need to be a, first of all, you need to be close to it. Well, you don't have to be a billionaire, but you need to be a 100 millionaire to even afford the house. And an insane fan of Michael Jordan. Not just like a regular fan,

because the whole thing is custom to him. Yeah, so it's like, you gotta want like, you know. He's thrown in his own like every single shoe. Yeah, he did buy it for you. You buy it, you get every shoe. You get all the shoe and it's like, you know, I mean, it's novelty and it's cool, but like, it's, if you're on a live in a house and paid that much money,

like, you're not gonna want it to be somebody else's vision and dream. No, unless you're, unless you're filthy rich in a diehard fan and it's like, for you to be like, it would be like a collector's thing. Yeah, it's not even like you want to live in it. And then even then, you collect it, nobody wants to buy it

Wasn't there a house in California that was like one of the most expensive. Yeah, that what record was it was a hundred million or something 150 million Yeah, I don't give it up. But the most expensive household So I you know, I just you know, it just came out is the you know the show I was let max watch with me the Sunset selling sunset I was the max and I was get caught watching They have a new one out it's it's so the the the Oppenheim air group or whatever their name of the guy the two Tops is like so now they've moved down You know they have Orange County now. Yeah, So the Orange County one and the very first episode,

the first house they tour is a $100 million house on the coastline. I saw it. I saw it. Now what's the most expensive crazy house you guys have ever walked through? Walked through? Yeah.

Tony Robbins. Oh, yeah. Tony Robbins. Yeah, what was his health value that? Boy, I don't recall. I mean, 60 million maybe. I mean, I think it's more than that because he, remember, he built the bunker,

which is as expensive or more, it's more expensive than the actual house. So my dad, that had to have been the most expensive. My dad worked on a house with the crew, because at one point, he developed a name for himself with the stonework that he did, and they worked on a house in Atherton.

That this was back in, I wanna say, 2000, early 2000s, so the house was 50 million then, so who knows what's worth now? But I walked through that house, and it wasn't that it was so big, that was crazy about it, it was that every room, so the doors that went to the bedroom were taken from a, like a 10th century church in Italy

or something like that. And then there was this one room where the walls and the ceiling was made of wood hard and it was hand carved. So it was like that. Every room you walked into was ridiculous the stuff that they had on it. I feel uncomfortable living in a house like that. I mean, yeah, I mean, her's castle would be cheaters way to say that. But also, I was doing a job, and I think I brought this up before for Clint Eastwood's house. And so it was legit, huge,

probably in the 10 million kind of range there. I think it was near Pebble Beach kind of area. But it was, it was, and I felt like so uncomfortable, you know, because you got to put like things over your shoes. Like of course he wasn't there, you know, it was just like somebody else that was kind of managing it for him. Yeah, there was a head looking for him. There was a shower that was in this house that was the size of,

it was like the size of a bedroom and it was a shower. And the water would come through the stone in the roof. a bedroom and it was a shower and the water would come through the stone in the roof. So you turn it on the ceiling, so you turn it on and it's like, you know, like this is a shower. I mean, I've been in a lot of 10 to 15 million dollar range houses, but I'd say Tony Robbins has to be north of 50 million. No.

Yeah, I think he paid like mid 20s for it, but then he didn't he improved it. Yeah, then he did the whole underneath Awesome, but it was just like was kind of somewhat normal, but then there was that underground that just was like what Yeah, that had to been the most it had to been the most epic house that I I never The only way to get to it. No, there was a door never mind. It wasn't just the slide. Oh the bet There's a house over on top of it. The guest house. Wow. I went to one that was a $15 million house, and this was like 10, well, only 15 years ago, in actually, Kapitola, it was right on the,

the yard was the cliff to the ocean, had an elevator in it, and it was 15 million, 15 years ago. So, it's probably a $30 million plus house now. So my dad also worked on Steve Wazinex house, but this was in the mid 90s, worked on Steve Wazinex house, and I guess he had a go-kart track in the backyard, and then they had these caves that were built

in the backyard for the kids to go through and find treasure and stuff like that. This was in the mid 90s. I remember my dad coming. Were you guys into MTV cribs in the rich for the kids to go through and find treasure and stuff like that was in the mid 90s. I remember my dad coming. Were you guys into like MTV cribs in the rich and ruined lifestyles of rich and famous? I watched it, but yeah. I don't know, I watched every episode. Of course you did.

Yeah, it's absolutely. That probably did too. Did you watch, did you, y'all you did it, huh? No, I didn't. I'm so disappointed. I never watched MTV. Never did.

Well, lifestyles of rich and famous. Maybe seen one or two at the time. Wow, really? Yeah. Oh, I'm so disappointed. I never watched MTV. Never did. Well, lifestyle is rich and famous. I've maybe seen one or two. Wow, really. Yeah. That shocks me, actually. Would you be in great poupon, too? Remember those commercials? I do.

Those commercials were great. Those are great commercials. It just mustered. Everybody come down. You know what's really wild about that. So you do the math. Did you look up, you didn't look up the most expensive house on California?

What was it? Yeah, I did look it up. It was, I think it sold for like 170 million. 170 million. Now, trip on this case. Wait, what are the property taxes? I figured that out. I already did. What is it? So that's one point seven million a year. So almost, so one point seven million a year. So it's the taxes. So almost two hundred thousand dollars a month. Even your house is paid off. So say you're rich enough to go drop one hundred and seventy million. You have no mortgage payment. You're still paying a hundred and seventy to two hundred thousand dollars a month to have that property.

So somebody gives it to your bankrupt. Here's a free house. We got to sell it. I'm going bankrupt already. That is crazy to me. That while speaking of craziness with taxes and stuff, you guys see that? Do you see the message that the California sent out overlaid? Oh my god, for the cars. Yeah. What's here? It's my brain so, so much. Like I, the first they sent out, first they signed something that said no electric, sorry, no gasoline vehicles can be sold after 2035 in California. Yeah. Okay. By the way, this is classic bull crap, virtue signaling, politician crap. This sums up like everything. California's about because what they do is they'll pass something that's not going to touch them. It's for the next person to worry about, but it looks good, right? No, we're going to be we're serious about the climate.

Whatever. Yeah. Literally two days later, California sends out a big warning to everybody. Hey, please don't charge your car. Please don't charge your car's over labor. Because we're going to have blackouts because our power grid can't support it. I'm like, come on, dude. This is like comment. You need to get an electric vehicle. Because that's what we have. What are we going to do if that's the deal in 235? I see a side hustle happening right here. Horses? No. driving around in a diesel-powered generator with the hauling that so you can charge people's electric cars up over the place. Big old diesel monster truck bus.

Yeah, just pick it up. Or your gasoline. Oh, you still want to go to work? Come on me. You know what, I feel like it's gonna happen? They're gonna push this so hard, and then people are not gonna be able to charge their cars because our power grid in California

can't support our air conditioning let alone charging our cars. They're not going to do what's needed to build the power grid. It's so awesome. So why is there to make everybody right now? Why is that right now? Because typically that's like July.

So that's normally when the heat wave going on right now. Oh, there is. Yeah. This weekend's supposed to be like a record temperature. So that's why it's so it is. Okay, so that's why because it's going to be record.

Well, because I just got this message to I guess our football game is like went from like two o'clock up to like 10 30. Oh, because the heat because the heat I didn't know that was a case. Oh, wow. I don't know. We have a heat wave coming like that right now. Did you know that Doug? Yeah, I did. I think it's supposed to start today actually. Oh, interesting. Well, Justin, did you play football? I know you played football in the heat? Did you ever play the snow? Yeah. Yeah. Can I tell you something?

I don't watch lots of football, but when I used to watch football, I would watch what it called, NFL films, is that what it called? When they show them playing the football. Oh yeah, you watch like Green Bay versus the Bears. Yeah, dude. And they're breathing through their masks.

Yeah, or like football. It looks like four. New York and like, dude. It looks like war. It is., dude, it looks like war. It is. It's, it's, it has a totally different feel. And actually, it's one of those things like, you, you think it's going to be miserable. And it is, if you're on the sidelines, let's be honest, you're on the sidelines, you can freeze your ass off and like, hate life. But if you're in the game, blast, it's just like, I mean, cause you're moving around, you're warm.

I'd wear like a specific kind of like undershirt that would keep the heat in. But when you tackle somebody, and you get like a patch of snow, and you just to bog in their ass, for like 10, 15 yards. And you're like, yeah! I mean, you're still sliding away, I got you.

Yeah, you're talking shit as you're like sliding the whole time. I imagine it's got to be the closest thing to when you were a kid and you played like Mud Fobo. I mean, did you? Yeah, I love that as a kid. We're playing Mud Fobo. Because it's a lost arc. I mean, it's a, it levels the playing field athletically.

So I mean, when you're, you know, you run super, super fast, like, cut. Yeah, so it's like everybody's kind of on the same level. And so it's, you know, everybody moves about the same speed. It's a beautiful, it's just football in the mud. Yeah. Yeah, when it is rain, we would go out

and elementary school, we would be super excited when it get like a really big storm. And then like if we go find a field that is just mostly mud and you go play football. And like when you tackle people, it's like, you call your friends parents, you know how, you're trying to get, you're trying to ride your football. You're running in a sprinkler. Oh,

that's cool. Yeah. Oh, that's terrible. No, my football was a blast. Wow. That's a good time. Anyway, so I've been getting these Viori slack type pants. Were they called again? The meta, the meta pants. You know how many times people have asked me where I get these? Like crazy people keep asking me in I get these? Like crazy. People keep asking me. In person or in- In person.

Oh yeah. No, because they look like, like, you look handsome. I know. Because they look like normal, like nice looking slacks. Slacks, but- Look how strict you're there. Well people that have known you for 20 plus years probably think right now you're going through a time

in your life where you're the best dress you've ever been. Wow, that's very nice of you to say. Although, I feel like it's backhanded a little bit. Hold on a second. Why? I'm not saying that. I'm back there. I'm back there. Let me back up.

I missed the alien shirt. I forget the name of these that I'm wearing right now, but I really like these ones. I only have one pair. I need to get another pair of these ones. They're cuffed at the bottom, which they don't have a lot of them that are cuffed like that. You like cuffed. I do. Why? Because that's the style. What? Why? Why? Why? Why? I said I'll cut this ending. It's the style.

No, no, but why do you? Because these are cuffed. Like, there's a little pants on our cuff. Why do you like cuff so much besides the style? Well, I'm a shoe guy. And so like, one of the things I didn't like about the you don't want to cover the shit Yeah, with the arrow when we were when you know the big you know boot cut bottoms or whatever You know what that when we went through that phase for whatever it was like you want to show you don't have cancels like me Just it has to get boot cut just to face it just like Kacels your ankles are okay. I mean you just got the calf bro. Yeah,'t have cacles. Your ankles are okay. You just got the calves, bro. I have super small ankles.

Yeah, you do. I can almost fit my hand around my ankle. How close can you get? I can lock the shit out of you. Mine? Oh, so it's easier with a smaller ankle than it would be on? You get the one hand? Well, I just feel like it would break.

Somebody can touch it. Yeah. I'm sorry. I don't know. Are you joined smaller than mine? Oh, for sure, dude, come on. Can you get all, can you get your, well, kind of, but maybe, huh, maybe here's a little smaller, my mind. I know, can you get your ring finger there?

You get the ring finger. I mean, our hands are probably the same size, so maybe. That's your middle finger. Can you get your ring finger? Oh, my ring, no. Yes, yeah, I can get my ring finger. No. Like, really good. Speaking of fingers, we talk about this on the podcast middle finger. Can you do ring finger? Oh, my ring? No. Yes, I can get my ring finger. Like really good.

Speaking of fingers, we talk about this on the podcast. You know if you're ring finger. Oh, that's a classic jogger. Oh, a transit jogger. Oh, a transit jogger. Love this, especially when I'm in transit. Yeah. So you know if your ring finger is a lot longer than your pointer finger, that means you

exposed a lot of testosterone in the womb. I've talked about that before. That keeps getting backed up by studies. Isn't that crazy? So you're ring,, oh, don't try to short your re-finger. Justin the ocean. No, really, this, the ratio of your ring finger to index finger can predict testosterone. That's not one of those urban legends. No, it's real. Is that, I mean, is that one, too? Yeah, no, you got it. No, the distance from there to there,

they say. No, that's not, that's not an urban legend. I think so. Yeah. I mean, is that one too? Yeah, no, you got it. No, the distance from there to there, they say. No, that's not, that's not it. That's not it, I don't think so. Yeah. I mean, I've seen you in the locker room, so I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow, Doug.

I have to make a quick apology here. Okay. So, little self-realization. Sometimes you have these or whatever. Yeah, I told a story of the other guy that I kind of punked on the machine because he was in there, I don't know. Did you see him? I didn't, but I'm gonna apologize when I do

because I thought about it, I thought about it. You ever tell a story and as it's coming in your mouth, you're like, man, that's not like an asshole. Okay, that was me. So as I'm telling the story and laughing about it, I'm like, man, I kind of feel like a dick because obviously this guy, he's all masked up, gloves, or he's scared, right?

He's scared of people being around him, but he's got the courage to go to the gym. He's in there working gloves, or he's scared, right? He's scared of people being around him, but he's got the courage to go to the gym. He's in there working out. He's taking forever between sets. Who knows why? He looks like he was reading or whatever, fine. And here comes this big angry, hopped up on pre-workout guys.

Let me jump in and he says, no, probably because he doesn't want germs. And I'm like, and then I make him feel stupid and he gets up and walks away. I feel bad about him. That's so welcome, you. I feel bad, and then come on, shut up. I do, I feel like I'm in, and then I make him feel stupid and he gets up and walks away. I feel bad about him. That's so welcome here. I feel bad in the come on show. I do, I feel like I'm sure.

I'm supposed to represent, you know? Well, I always think you moral on the lines that when you were telling this story, what made you feel that way, you started to piece together the things you were saying about yourself. I was already irritated. I was just this, to me, that would be the like good.

I was already appointed. The self-awareness part would have been like, less about the dude, it was more like, well, I guess I was kind of on edge already. I know what it is. I was looking for a fight, maybe. I'm working with someone right now on a weekly basis to just try to become a better person, right?

One thing that I'm realizing is I'm just generally an anxious person. It's just generally tend to have this level of anxiety, energy that's kind of high. So when you throw like time constraints and caffeine on top of it, plus the fact that I might, you know, work out to me are slightly... How a little bit of a... Are you working with this person? Once a week. Oh, once a week. I would love to hear like cool, like breakthroughs, like you get or you hear.

I mean, that's... That's one of them. I'm just generally an anxious person. Oh, really? Yeah, I just have this general level of how did you guys piece that together? I mean, well, I kind of piece that together myself, but talking with her over and over again,

I'm becoming more self-aware of my physical states. So, okay, so long story short, I don't feel things in my body. And what I mean by that is I'm very cognitive, but I don't feel feelings in my body. So you guys have commented on how, no matter what's going on my life, we turn on the cameras and I can turn on, you know,

boom, podcast, intro, do the thing, whatever. And I've developed this, like whatever you wanna call it, this ability, since I was a kid for a variety of different reasons, I don't necessarily want to go into, but, and so what happens, I numb, I don't feel here. I can think, oh, I'm sad.

Oh, this is hard. But the only feelings I feel are happy, like happy, love, angry, and that's it. Sadness, I can, and there's been moments in my life where I've wanted to cry, like there's something really sad going I want and I can't I can't just doesn't happen But what you like and my kids do something loving to me I can get emotional So there's only certain emotions that I physically feel so that's breakthrough now

What is what is her take on that is she say it's really important that we get in in touch with all the different emotions Yes, that's how you process a lot of them. And you need to be able to process them through, otherwise they can build up and cause problems, or other people can't connect to you. Because lots of people read you based off of your body language and what you're feeling, that's just your words. I'm really doing my words.

I can explain I'm feeling this particular way, but if I wanna connect with my kids, for example, better, they need to be able to see and feel my emotion, aside from just anger, love and happiness, like sad, distress, vulnerableness. So which one of the emotions do you feel that you struggle the most with connecting to? Oh, boy, sad, for sure.

Oh, sad. Yeah, I don't feel, I just don't feel it physically. So, especially when it's really bad. And then any exercises that she's given you or does she tell you to how to get in touch with being sad. Like does she force you to like, let's go through something that was sad and traumatic in your life and let's.

Well, I'm gonna start doing something called EMDR which is gonna help with that. Do you guys familiar with that? Like a new dance? Yeah, it's a new dance that the kids are doing. No, it's actually. Exactly, we'll do it. No, I don't know, it's not EDM.

Yeah. It's very close though. There's this. So I'm not super familiar with it, but what it does is it allows the parts of the brain that develop these patterns that become second nature, it allows you to move that processing to other parts of your brain so you can kind of rewire. Now, I'm not an expert on this, and I don't know a whole ton,

so I'm probably mischaracterizing it, but I'm gonna probably try some of that, but really step one was just being aware of that, and then trying to kind of feel, you know, be aware, like, how does that feel when you're, is that why I got so many DMs yesterday? Oh, yeah. Oh my God, I got a bunch of DMs to tell you that.

The emojis. Oh, see, like Doug, pull it up. What does it say they're Doug about? It's called I Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing. That's the EMDR. Yeah. So you're gonna take a supplement that's supposed to help you? No.

Why do you think it's a supplement? Oh, I thought you said it's what I thought you said you did. No, no, no, no, no. It's like, it's like, it's a method. It's a method. I haven't done it yet, but there's different ways of doing it like where you'll hold these two handles that buzz and Then you'll go through I don't know a memory or something and then the buzzing brings

Processing of the brain to a certain place. I have I need to remove. I can't wait to hear it. You please share with us Yeah, I was crying on the podcast You know there was a point in my life where I actually wanted to be like a therapist. Of course. Yeah, I totally wanted to. You know, you can see that. You know, people who have, who've had to process the most challenging trauma and stuff, typically like to go in that space.

Yeah, I was like fitness people with body image issues, right? Yeah, I was super intrigued by it. And I still am today. Like I always, I mean, I feel like there's so much to learn. And I absolutely think that self-awareness has to be one of the single most powerful things that you can develop.

I mean, that carries over to all aspects of your life. You wanna be a better father, you wanna be a better husband, you wanna be a better coworker, you wanna be more successful, like developing self-awareness has to be at the top. Agreed. Of things that you do. Because what it is, it's not just,

it's not what you know that you need to work on. It's what you don't even know that you don't know. That's right, yeah. That's the self-awareness part. And then you have these transformative because you wouldn't have thought of it yourself. You just don't know that you don't know. And then when it comes to you, like,

holy shit, I'm like that, I do that. Oh God, and everything starts to make sense. And then you work on it, you process it, and you become a better person. But this woman knows how to motivate me. I'll tell you, she really knows. Oh, really? Yeah, because otherwise, I feel like it's a superpower. Yeah, cool. I don't feel sad in my body. So now, you know, that's how I get through to you, or whatever. And she's just like, it'll make you connect. It'll make your kids connect with you more. And I'm like, oh, well, you know what to say. Yeah. Don't you? Okay.

Yeah, but to your point though, many times the things that are the deepest issues like that it becomes superpowers, we've learned, you've learned to adapt and overcome. That's what they are. Yeah, adaptations. Yeah, but they can become mal adaptations because then you'll have them to everything, you know? But it also is what makes it very difficult for a lot of people to want to dig into it. Of course. Because it's like, oh, that's what made me successful. Why would I want to stop doing this?

You know what I'm saying? Or why would I want to give that trade up? And so it's hard for someone else to come in and tell you like, or you should really work on that. Or you're afraid what is gonna be on the other end of that? Who am I gonna be? What's gonna happen?

Right, right. And again, it's like I said she knows that I'm gonna be. Do you see her on same day, same week? So what day do you see her? So I know one to ask. I know one to ask. Because I know one has to pull it out of you all the time. No, no you know, so you see her on same day same week. Yep. So what day do you see here? So I know one to ask huh? I know but I have to pull it out of you all time No, I'll tell you off off off the off the podcast. No, I want to know on the podcast The audience is gonna want to know too. Why do you get messages and shit?

You're like the messages you like the messages Justin and I got all day I don't see what you do crying You're like the messages, you're like the messages Justin and I got all day like those messages. I don't know, I see what you dudes crying. I just thought my name. I did a story where I took a picture of Justin and I said he's having trouble feeling his feelings. Can you please send the pictures? Like, meds.

So you got a bunch, did you get DMs too, Doug? A couple. I got a bunch. I got a ton. You know what, Steve, funny, I got ones that were people that had never even messaged me before, but messaged me to do this. Yeah, me ton. You guys see funny, I got ones that were people that had never even messaged me before, but messaged me before. Yeah, me too.

But messaged me because that. That's such a good time. I love it. No, you gotta look, look, here's a deal. I think self awareness is important and you only grow from being uncomfortable. So the reason why we stay away from trying to become more self-aware is because

uncomfortable is shit. It's really uncomfortable. But how else are you gonna grow? You don't grow otherwise. Otherwise you just stay where you're at. And if you want to be a better person, like, you know, you got to seek that shit out. So that's all, but it ain't.

It's a jam in all areas. It ain't easy. I'll tell you that much. But nothing drives me like my kids, man. I'll tell you to be a better dad and you know, a better partner of course. Yeah. You know, that's, that'll drive this shit.

I mean, Doug, what were our commercials today? Oh, we have Caldera. Actually, I was gonna ask you about your skin since you fasted. Because you know how you notice changes in your psoriasis when you fast. Yeah, you know what? I actually was not happy with that. It didn't do anything.

I didn't see as much of an improvement as I thought. I definitely, like, I did not see it get any worse for sure, but I actually was kind of excited to see because I hadn't done 72 hours before, and I thought, oh, I wonder if my skin's gonna like really clear up, it's got nothing in my system. And it really didn't. Not like I would have anticipated,

that was really hoping for that. You look, and I'm not saying this, just because you gave me that weird compliment earlier, you look healthier than you've done in a long time. So I think it's coming into that, that workout that. You look, and I'm not saying this just because you gave me that weird compliment earlier, you look healthier than in a long time. So I think it's coming into that, that workout that you're doing, and you're doing your nutrition. I don't know.

I mean, I do feel, I mean, those are all true. Okay. So like my diet is more dialed right now and today, or even in the last month than it has been in the previous couple of years. So I'm the most dialed in, I've been in a long time. I'm back to being dialed in, I've been in a long time.

I'm back to being pretty damn consistent training wise. I mean, really consistent. No, I saw four plates on the bar out there. I did, although I did strain my hand. Oh, come on, Adam. I told you. Just a minor strain. And I did work through it.

Like, I was doing it. I hadn't, you know, I told you, I knew you had to pre-work out, you're gonna hype around the podcast. It was just 405, dude, I just thought I would be fine. You haven't done that a long time. And I was working triples, so I wasn't even going like to failure on it at all,

and it was the second or the third time I did it, and just a little twinge in my mind. Yeah, real minor, real minor. Like it's nagging today, but I could still go do, I'm still good. And I put it down to that, I'm okay. I knew it, because I saw you, you took pre-workout. You're all hyper on the podcast.

You're all excited about your workouts. You're looking good. I heard the music. I saw you with the headphones. I said, this guy's gonna go too hard. You know what, even bigger asshole move. I didn't even like really prime and warm up. Oh, shit. You were terrible. Yeah. Terrible trend. I mean warm up. Oh, I'm a terrible, terrible, terrible trend.

I mean, it just like, I'm gonna have, you know what, Justin, we need to start training out. I guess you can't do it today. Sometimes I feel like we have no business talking about fitness on this podcast. That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna take my own goddamn advice, you know what I'm saying.

So tell me about the top, like four or five things you've done for psoriasis because every time you talk about it, we get DMs. There's a lot of people who struggle with... If top four or five, okay, so the top things that I've done, vitamin D was a big thing for me. Obviously avoiding the foods that, I definitely think that gluten and dairy tend to aggravate it.

Okay, so that's first, avoiding that, vitamin D slash sunshine sunshine sunshine Sunshine Or if I don't get that then the the juve light so I use it the juve light a lot for that and then the the caldera serum So the serum is now replaced so I used to use the Cortisol creams or the steroids. Yeah, the oh wow the creams, they give you that's like 1% something steroid cream or whatever. And I quit using that and I just use the serum now. And so that has been a big one for me.

And I think that I would notice with the steroid creams, they tamp it down faster. Like I see a response like the next day I can tell it's cleared up more. The serum, I don't see like this drastic way, but it keeps it It keeps it down and it keeps it from getting really dry like that And I just got to drop like one little let those drop the serum is so the oil spreads so well So like one little drop on that and it'll it's really really good. Yeah, but I I I use the serum for that like directly on my Saris is and I'm in my cuz I haveis and my, because I have it on my head

and I have it on my legs really bad. And then I used the cream, I don't know what the cream is called. What's the, what is the, the one in the little? Is it the base layer? Yes, yes, yes. The, I use the base layer the most. Really? Yes, I, so we're, we're just gonna, I use serum all the way.

So I was originally because that's what got introduced to me first, but the base layer is the business. Yeah, I mean, I like when I wash my, do you use that dog? Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I love it too. That's my favorite product. So that's the daytime and what serum is at night? Or you guys do both?

I don't, okay, so I know and we talked about it before. I don't care what they're supposed to be there. Yeah, my routine is every morning when I get out of the shower because I have the other stuff that I keep in the shower. So I wash my face with the, I'm so bad, right? I'm selling their products. Clean slate. Thank you.

Thank you, Dustin. So, sorry. Just change the trainers. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So I use the clean slate in my shower every morning and night. I use it and I wash my face. And then when I get done and I dry off, then I use the base layer. That's how I put on.

And then again, the serum, you'll see me put on my psoriasis, and then every once in a while, you'll see me. You put that on your psoriasis. I put on my psoriasis. Yeah, I put on before we podcast, sometimes on my face. And then at night, I do the base layer again after I shower at night. I do it again.

I never used anything on my face. Now I use it regularly. I never put nothing, I have naturally oil leaves. I mean, I had never in before before Caldera, I had never had experienced anything that like I can see a difference immediately. Yeah, I know. Like I can literally put it on. Spurmedide. And you know, Justin, you're spurmedy? Yes, I know all this stuff is so for me over there guy. You even own a lotion bottle. Yeah, do you know? Quick answer. Justin's well your hand is so soft. No, you only want is like it's my heels dude Like I like every now and then like it's so bad that they crack and I just hurts. I gotta do something

Interfined with like Surremmorow whatever that helps. Why is it an angry old man or is it? one with like Surrey I'm aware of the house. Why is it an angry old man or I I sort of got one I know it's one 100% if a kid drives by your house. Yeah going too fast get out my yard. Yes As he's drinking out of his hose My Do you have a rope? Yeah, I'm, uh, whatever you call that. Rob, Rob. Yeah. Do you have a rope?

Re-ballin'. Yeah, I got a rope. I'm a big rope guy, too. A rope, too. Yeah, yeah. I got a big, I got a big ass rope. I look like a, I look like a king from Lord of the Black Lord. I do too.

But it's, you get so hot, so fast. So that's, I have one just like that. And it is the most comfortable thing ever, but it's, it's almost too warm. Oh, I get, yeah. Yeah, Katrina ends up, because she's cold all the time, so she ends up wearing it more than I wear it

because it's like, but it's great though, if I wanna go sit on my balcony when it's like, really cold at night, and I'm just wearing that thing, it's like really nice for that, but in the house it almost gets too. I oughta take it up to the truck. You just need to get a boxer out there.

Just like a blender boxer. Yeah, the hearts. Yeah. Check this out, there's a company we work with called Mass Simes. It makes digestive enzymes for athletes and people who eat high protein diets, low-carb diets. Basically, people interested in performance, fitness, and health. Did you know that you lose enzymes as you age?

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and then use the code mine pump 10 for 10% off any order. All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from Cole Cosnic. Is it true that your body can only absorb 30 grams of protein in a city? Yeah, I just, you know what I picture whenever somebody asks this question? Like a caveman, you know, he hunted, he killed the thing

and he eats, they stop. Yeah. We cannot eat no more. Just leg. Just leg, Just leg. Yeah. You know, this is a good example of what I said earlier in the podcast about the supplement side of the industry,

how information gets filtered through it. This is a myth and it was promoted largely because it's putting more than 30 grams of protein in a protein bar makes him take disgusting. Up to scoop of protein powder is about 30 grams, and I can fit more protein in a scoop. And so they came up with this lie, and it's not true. You can definitely absorb more than 30 grams

of protein in the city. What determines what you can absorb or not or whatever is your digestion? So if you eat more than 30 grams, you find digestive issues. Well, now that being said, let's say when you, 90 grams of protein in one sitting, it messes with your digestion. Is some of that not getting absorbed? Like, let's say if someone, I mean, if you got a real bad diarrhea, maybe, that's what I mean, let's say that happens. I mean, I've, that's happened to me before where I eat something that is too, too much like dairy and too much protein all in one shot.

And I'm like, I'm in the restroom right afterwards. So now I know, you know, my body is still getting the calories because I mean, otherwise you would never put on any body fat. You can eat as much overeat as much protein as well. Well, I mean, in extreme cases, when people have extreme digestive issues, they do have trouble gaining weight because they, everything they eat, they goes right through them. But I mean, that's an extreme case. If you eat 90 grams of protein and you digest it fine, you're absorbing all 90 grams. It doesn't happen instantly.

It's gotta get broken down, go through the system, and you will absorb all the, I routinely eat, routinely eat 70 to 80 grams of protein at a meal. My dinner typically is around. Yeah, but I think the more important point to make is what I was just asking about that. So you're fine. You don't have any, you don't, you're not, but if, what if you're somebody who does eat north of 40, 50 grams of protein or 30 in this case is what they're asking?

You, you know, 35 or 40 and every time you do that, you notice you have to rush to the bathroom. I mean, then you just, that's always number one, right, is your health. So that should determine. Testing number two. Yeah, thank you. Has to do with a ditch. Boom, nice.

That would determine kind of what you should and shouldn't eat more than anything else. But all things being equal, this is a total myth. You absorb all the protein that you eat, all things being equal. Whether it's at once or broken up, now there can be arguments as to why you might want to break up protein servings, it could help maybe with satiety,

make with behaviors. There might be a performance benefit to eating protein every four hours or so, but it's a small benefit, but this may be the case for high level athletes. Or if you're eating 250 grams of protein a day, well, you're gonna probably wanna eat five or six servings of protein at 50 grams or so.

But this is a total myth, and it was literally put out because if you buy a protein powder, a protein bar, I should say, 30 grams about to cut off. More than that, it's gonna taste gross. It's gonna be big, it's gonna be heavy. Yeah, you know that's where it came from. Yeah, because it's, I mean gross. It's going to be big, it's going to be heavy. Yeah, you know that's where it came from. Yes.

Yeah, because it's, I mean, they had to have a specific number and to standardize that, you know, it came from the supplement industry. It did. So it's like, there wasn't like this crazy study where they all of a sudden had a subiphany that 30 grams was the number that you could only absorb. There's so many other individual variances to consider.

Now, do you, do you think there is a sweet spot for the general population of like, because you gotta think that there's a tipping point for almost everybody, like you're, of course. Yeah, at one point it's gonna mess your digestion up. I mean, if you try and sit down and eat a, there's just too much anything. Right, so exactly.

I feel like you could train yourself too though, like in terms of like introducing more protein meals that are like a little train yourself too though, like in terms of introducing more protein meals that are a little bit higher in protein, like gradually. I'm sure you can even absorb more at that point. So I noticed a type of protein, is what matters for me more than I was like. I could eat a two pound steak and be fine. No problem.

But if I were to have like two, like if I were to put four scoops of way protein in a shake, that I would 100% of the dairy. You know, I would have to use a threshold. I would 100% be on the toilet, like right away after that. So I guess for me for trying to answer this question, someone was, yes, this is largely a myth and made up from the supplement industry. But also the most important thing for you to pay attention, forget the grams of protein, but pay attention to when you push certain types of proteins to certain levels, do you find yourself with diarrhea on the toilet right afterwards, and

then that's your indicator that you probably should scale back or pair it with something else. Or, or gas or flatulence that's really bad or bloating or constipation, like these are all signs that you need to change something you die because it's affecting your digestive poorly but digestion poorly. And when your digestion's off, everything's off.

People need to understand this. Inflammation is up, your hormones will get affected negatively, so it's a big deal. Digestive enzymes, by the way, can help quite a bit. I was just gonna ask you that. Yes, they can help quite a bit. So, and really digestive enzymes become more valuable. Well, when people have gut issues, digestive enzymes are like,

they're money, right? But if you're a high level athlete, you're eating a very high protein, like I weigh 200 and right now about 205 pounds. If I were to eat 205 grams of protein, which I try to hit most of the time, but usually I fall right around 170 or so, but if I hit over 200,

it can get a little high for me and digestive enzymes make a big difference for me. It helped me break it down, and people will find this when they- That's the mass enzymes, right? Yeah, that's the company we work with, that's the best. So when do you take that like right before your meal? Right with the meal, yeah, two capsules, right with the meal.

Okay, now I'm set. Next question is from Gregor 22. What are your thoughts on try release proteins? Are they a gimmick or do they have legit benefits? Please, the hell's that. Okay, so, so protein powder. I love when people ask questions about stuff, I have no idea.

I've heard this one. No, no, so when I explain it to you guys, you guys are like, oh, I've heard that before. Okay, so when protein powders really became, then that's one of the largest sellers in the supplement space. Small margins, oh my God. Is it what I think it is where it's like,

it's like the slow digesting protein. Correct. Correct. I just all combined. You hit the knee on the head. I can't wait. I've got to love the market one. You got to love it.

You hit the knee on the head. So protein is a huge, if not the largest segment of the supplement industry. It's how you attract your customers, and you talk to people who own supplement companies, they'll tell you, you don't make the money off your protein powder, but that's how you get your customers.

Then you make the money on the other stuff with the larger margins. So it's a big market. How do you outcompete other protein powders? If I got way, you got way, minds isolate, yours is isolate, like, like, how do we compete? Well, then we start talking about things that make, don't make a difference. Like, well, mine absorbs faster. It breaks down faster. And you know that anabolic window post workout, which is really a myth. Well, since mine absorbs faster, it's better for you. And then another guy comes out and says,

well, you know what I have? I have casing, which casing absorbs slower. I'll hold it down for a night time. You take it before beds, you got protein all night long. Well, you're in bed, you know, and so, and then someone might be like, well, what about in the middle of your workout? What about a protein for that?

So, so try release, it's just the gimmick. It's basically a blend of proteins, one's supposed to be fast release. One's supposed to be moderate release. One's supposed to be slow release. To give you I guess the a protein gram program more effective. Okay. But besides all that, if your protein is really high, then a lot of this doesn't matter. Like, if you take way protein, you take plant protein, you take collagen protein, but you all eat a super high protein diet, it doesn't matter. You're all getting the all the amino acids that you need. It makes a difference when your protein intake is lower, but this whole like fast release, slow release, whatever.

No, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever. All things being equal, probably the best protein gram program is way, an egg, an animal proteins or in that category, but way an egg protein are some of the best. They're high in essential amino acids, high in branching amino acids, but again, if your or some of the best. They're high in essential amino acids, high in bransion amino acids. But again, if you're protein and take us high,

it doesn't matter. And then release, like how fast they release the system, don't worry about that. We're really gonna come up with next. I have no idea. Next question is from Kingzii 31. I treat static stretching like trigger sessions a couple of times a day for the specific muscles.

I'm stretching, is this a good or bad thing? This is a hack. By the way, this frequency hack that we do with exercise, you can apply to almost any physical adaptation. So like mobility, you could do, you know, three, 45 minute mobility sessions a week, or you could do, you know, three, five minute sessions every day, space that. The frequent mobility sessions are going gonna get you there faster. It's just, and this is true for stretching too,

for static stretching as well. This is such a hack that I sometimes wonder if I would have made the progress that I did on my ankle and hip mobility as much as I did if it wasn't for me teaching orange theory. Because you had to do it in every class? Yes, because it became this ritual that any time I would sense so part of the class there's these like two minute

and three minute runs or whatever. It's like the class is very like, you know, baing, baing, baing, baing, move, move, move, and I'm coaching and talking. And then there's these moments where it's like, I set them off and I let them do something. And it's always like, you know, no longer than three minutes

and only somewhere between one and three minutes. And so, and at that time, I really don't have anything to do other than maybe check form. And if I have a advanced class or it's an easy movement, I don't have much to do. So, I made it a habit that every time I had those one minute, three minute breaks in the class every day, all day, I would just get

down and do like a little combat stretch or get down and I would drive my knees forward over my toes, like just, you know, stay in kind of active and moving and just doing that. And I think that that is what progressed me so fast and so far with with that. And I always wonder like, man, I wonder if I would have had the discipline to really make it that regular had I not had like a little ritual. Yeah, because you're trying to get as CNS adaptation. You're trying to get your central, because okay, what determines whether or not a muscle fires well or relax as well, right? Allows you to stretch it. It's your central nervous system. And your central nervous system responds really well

to frequent practice. So this, I learned about from Jessica with static stretching. So Jessica, in her past life, she was married before her and I got married. So she, obviously divorced, that's how we got married. But anyway, she was with a gentleman who worked for Cirque du Soleil, who was a performer.

And she was just a wife, you know, married to him so she followed along. Eventually, she worked for Cirque du Soleil as well and she made friends with the people that did the silks. So the silks of those long fabric things that you climb and she was so fascinated with it, she was not an athlete, she was not athletic. All she did was running at this point, she had nothing else.

And she said, I wanna try this out. And she became obsessed with it. And she said, she goes, I would do static stretching five times a day, 10 minutes. Anytime I get down the floor and do static stretching, she went from not being able to touch her toes to, and I'm gonna get a picture so we could put on this episode.

She would do a hanging splits with the silks or bend herself backwards and became hyper flexible from this method right here of this frequent daily stretching. And she's like, if you want to get flexible, practice stretching throughout the day. Don't do like two one hour sessions. It's not nearly as effective. Yeah.

I'm with you guys. However, the static stretching part I'm a little hung up on only because what's your desired outcome? Like what do you actually do? Because in terms of replacing that with mobility, movements, that would be my preference and only because in terms of like prepping me for other movement and getting me access and strength in that range of motion. If you're trying to just access further ranges of motion and to be able to place your body in those positions, I think static stretching is amazing for that. And also correcting, you know, posturally, you know, getting you in better alignment.

But in terms of like, we're at now, in terms of like differentiating static stretching with mobility with dynamic stretching. My preference is mobility. So I agree that mobility is superior. What I found was it was just easier to commit to the stack. It was like, it wasn't so all I would do is like literally just get down and sit in the

position and just, you know, so. But you also, you also throw out the week. Get mobility interconnected. That's right. That's what, you also throughout the week. Did mobility and connected. That's right. That's right. Because that's what she did, because she also practiced. Is it active with it, right?

Yes, that's the difference I'm trying to, so she would get, so she learned how to stat a stretch from the Russian performers in the Cirque. Yeah. And these were, I mean, they were hardcore, and they were brutal. And she said, you would get in a stretch, and then they'd make you fire your quad

and pull your leg up or push down against it or they grab more like P and F. Yes. And so, and she didn't know any better. She just did what they taught her. Yeah. And so she got this incredible flight. And then of course she practiced the silks, which you have to be active.

Well, I mean, this person is combining it with our training programs, right? So they're putting it to work. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. The only time this will be a bad thing is if you're hyper-mobile. I would not want someone hyper-mobile doing that. Sure. I mean, I just, I mean, I, I, I 100 percent, I think we're all on the same page with, with always promoting mobility, but it is definitely a lot easier to convince someone to get down and sit in it in a 90-90 stretch or what I thought while you're watching TV or talking or something

like that than like an actual mobility move or whatever. But yeah, ideally you do both. But the, I think your point you're making that I think is so true is just like, you know, a lot, there's a lot of people that like to take like a yoga class once or twice a week, an hour of some good static stretching. And if you are trying to improve range of motion, you are far better off, you better off picking one or two movements, in my case, the combats are throughout the day.

And just doing it three, four, five times a day, every day in little two minute shots, then you are sitting for an hour with them. You'll notice, I've done little stints of a huge difference. And I'm getting motivated actually right now to try and do more of this, but I notice my flexibility dramatically improve that day. And then the next, it's like you could see

the improvements happening so fast with this particular adaptation because it's all CNS. CNS can adapt so quickly when you do it right. Any time I can hang on a bar or like in the doorways, I'm always like promoting that position where I'm getting open again, just because it pays dividends. Next question is from Fulvio Castle. What are your thoughts on incline

versus flat close grip bench press for tricep development? Oh, I picked this for you Adam, because you're the first person that I ever heard say that they, first off, I've never seen, I'd never done or seen a close grip incline press. The only way I'd ever seen it or done it before was flat. You're the first person that ever said, oh, it's superior on the incline.

And I've tried it, and I do like it a lot. I love it. Yeah, I do. So one of my explanations for it is that because you're on the incline, it increases the amount of elbow flexion and extension, which is where the tricep comes from. So it encourages this like combination skull crusher press versus here on the flat. I might have a tendency to not do lots of elbow flexion

and bring my hands a little too low and get more shoulder. That's what I do. It is, it's the angle. I just, it feels way more comfortable on the incline than it does on the flat, on the flat. And also to the, you know, when you're pushing on the flat bench, you tend to kind of like the shoulders kind of roll

forward and push there where the incline kind of promotes that the shoulders stay in back and then really extending with the, so I fell in love with it. And it, you know, and there's, which one of those internet trolls was talking shit about us saying that incline, I mean, yeah, that close grip bench press is a terrible tricep exercise. Oh, is it somebody said that? Yeah, yeah, I think it was that one clown. He always getting a fight with the one that cares.

What's his name? Trying to be a nice guy. You know what I'm talking about? The one that I think blocked you later on. Oh, I don't want to say. Stairroided out due to the study. We've given him enough of the study. He's all time, because what they make these cases that,

you know, these isolation exercises, like a school crusher or tricep pushdown activates more of the tricep than this compound lift. I hate those studies sometimes. I know. And, you know, I was caught in that. I was caught in that same trap

that all I did was tricep pushdown, the school crusher and stuff like that, which great exercises for the triceps, I'm not saying that, but the close grip bench press in particular, the incline, put more mass on my triceps than anything else that I did, because I could get to a place where I was doing 225 in that position and load it.

Exactly, and I couldn't, I can't school crush that. I can't tricep push down. One of the only body parts I have, where I'm relatively gifted is triceps. And I can tell a dramatic difference when I stop doing close grip presses and dips and just stick to tricep extension, the gift that is triceps. And I can tell a dramatic difference when I stop doing close-grip presses and dips and just stick to tricep extension, overhead, cable, side, whatever. I can tell. I can tell my tricep development every single time. So those compound lists

for those smaller body parts, I mean, it's funny because nobody would make the argument for like chest and lats. Nope, because I could show you the same studies that show you that people say the same science nerds that want to use the muscle activation angle always. Just like, oh, you do a skull crusher or you do a tricep push down and it lights the triceps up and very little anywhere else. Where if you do a flat bench, shoulders get activated, chest gets involved in there.

That's a great point. You don't see that with the chest. You don't see that with flies versus like a bench press. Everybody knows you build more muscle with a bench press. I tell you what, if you did a really good straight arm pull down or you're really good cable fly, it would light up on those studies. You're gonna build a bigger chest doing that

than you are benching or bigger back doing straight on pull down the North with a barbell row. No, you're not. This is the same people that say that dead lifts don't build the back, which blows my mind. By the way, dead lifts, pro bodybuilders now are starting to do it. A lot of them.

I see a ton of them now. You know why? This is just bodybuilding. It's because if the champion does them, then everybody starts doing them. But I think now people are starting to feel and see like, oh, this actually makes a difference. It's actually contributes.

If you are trying to develop massive triceps, and you absolutely, in my opinion, have to have close grip bench press in there and or dips. Those two minutes. Now, I do want to say one thing is, don't go too narrow. This is the big mistake a lot of people make. Yeah, because this, it'll hurt your wrist. I mean, I coach shoulder width.

So, you know, right where you're at, go straight to the bar. So, yeah. And then the key is in the elbow extension inflection. It's such a good point to, because people get so hung up and like, oh, it's close grip, so how close can I get? No, it's like, and then you end up flaring way out

and just like, dude, if you, if you are straight on there, I mean, it's weird press. Primarily, triceps right there. It's just like, dude, if you are straight on there, I mean, it's weird press. Primarily triceps right there. It's such a great movement. It's one of my favorite movements. It's for tricep development. I agree. Look, if you like our information, head over

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