Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1899: The Difference Between Total & Free Testosterone, What Creatine Does to the Body, How to Get Client Results as a Personal Trainer & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: September 10, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. 1899: The Difference Between Total & Free Testosterone, What Creatine Does to the Body, How to Get Client Results as a Personal Trainer & More (Listener Live Coaching) Mind Pump Fit Tip: If you don’t ENJOY your workouts something is wrong! (2:18) A funeral director weighs in on Justin’s dark humor story. (13:23) Gym bullies or gym etiquette. (15:51) Are Twitter bots driving culture, and are these social media platforms doing our leaders dirty work? (20:19) Monkeys are crafty. (39:26) How supplementing with Acetyl-L-Carnitine can reduce mild depression symptoms. (40:35) Magic Spoon is EVERYWHERE! (41:53) Real-life Mario Kart! (47:38) Parenting hacks with Mind Pump. (48:56) Another reminder to stay present. (49:51) #ListenerLive question #1 - Is it normal to have clients drop off even when you’re trying everything to help them? (56:12) #ListenerLive question #2 - What are your thoughts on adding strength training during the offseason as a triathlon athlete? (1:14:09) #ListenerLive question #3 - How malleable is your metabolism? How high can I go without putting on much body fat? (1:24:39) #ListenerLive question #4 - How do I know creatine is working, and did I get ripped off? (1:41:03) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Magic Spoon for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! September Promotion: Skinny Guy Bundle (MAPS ANABOLIC // MAPS AESTHETIC // NO B.S. 6-PACK FORMULA // INTUITIVE NUTRITION GUIDE // OCCLUSION TRAINING GUIDE.) HALF OFF!! Also, the Fit Mom Bundle (MAPS ANYWHERE // MAPS ANABOLIC // MAPS HIIT // and INTUITIVE NUTRITION GUIDE.) HALF OFF!! **Code SEPT50 at checkout** Workout Because You Love Yourself Not Because You Hate Yourself – Mind Pump Blog The Key to Fitness Success is Self-Love – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1080: 21 Commandments Of Gym Etiquette All-In Podcast E93: Twitter whistleblower, cloud security vulnerabilities, student debt forgiveness & more A former employee accuses Twitter of big security lapses in a whistleblower complaint Ex-Twitter exec blows the whistle, alleging reckless and negligent cybersecurity policies ‘Egregious Deficiencies,’ Bots, and Foreign Agents: The Biggest Allegations From the Twitter Whistleblower FBI responds to Mark Zuckerberg claims in Joe Rogan show The Downfall Of Andrew Tate And Its Implications Monkeys in Indonesia use rocks as 'sex toys' | Live Science Acetyl-L-Carnitine Supplementation Reduces Depressive Symptoms Wheaties Fuel Cereal | MrBreakfast.com Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit - Official Site Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! The Most Important Skill For Personal Trainers – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Symmetry   MP Holistic Health MAPS Macro Calculator MAPS Fitness Performance Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum MP Hormones Pros and Cons of Creatine – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson) Instagram  

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So if you're interested, go to mapsfitinistproducts.com and then use the code SEPT50 for the 50% off discount. All right, here comes the show. If you don't enjoy your workouts, something is wrong. Either your workouts or there's something wrong with you. The only way to have long-term success with exercise is to actually enjoy your workouts. So I'm like capable across a little harsh. Yeah. But maybe doing it wrong. You know what? I know I said there's something wrong because either A, your workout programming is super off, right? So if you're hating your workouts, if they're making you feel terrible, like look at that. But then

there's another side to it, which is even properly, properly program workouts done correctly. They're going to be challenging, right? That's part of the formula. And you have to learn to enjoy that process. You have to learn to enjoy the workouts. So there's a, it's a dual thing. Like is my workout wrong for me? And is my mindset wrong for my workouts? That being said, I actually think this is a difficult thing for people to actually really gauge. In fact, in my experience, I've heard this many times from clients that, oh, I love this workout

or it's my favorite way to train and they say things like that because they've attached it to something like maybe they were in the best shape of their life when they train that modality or Nothing gets them to lose weight faster on the scale than that way of exercise and so they say they love it Right, there's some association there for sure. Yeah, like I'm not buying the like I love this work I think like you can you want to prove to me you like doing like for example I get people that like I love running you've been running for five 10 years straight every morning

You love running. Yeah, you love running. You've been running for five, 10 years straight every morning. You love running. You love running. You love running. I believe you. But if you tell me like, oh, I love Orange Terry fitness and it's like, that's your favorite thing to go on and off about all the time. No, no, no, no, I'm not buying that. I'm so glad you said that. One of the, like one of the hallmarks of somebody actually enjoying the workout is that they

do it consistently. Yeah. And that they've done it for years and years and years consistently. Yes. So, that's the context. Do I enjoy this workout? Is this something that I want to do consistently forever? And if the answer is no, you can have to look at the workout and maybe look in the mirror.

And the reason why I say look in the mirror is because there is a process of learning to love the journey of exercise, right? Learning to love the process of exercise. That is part of this lifestyle, you know, this long term lifestyle. But also, okay, to back to what Adam's saying, you gotta look at your workout sometimes.

Like if you love your workout because it beats you up, this is what a lot of people will say, right? I loved it, why? Oh my God, I got so sore. And I was so sweaty. Oh, they're so amazing afterwards. I feel so amazing afterwards, yeah. Okay, let's see how long that continues with you.

How long have you been doing it for? You know, the last month. Okay, well, let's see how long that sticks around. Have you guys had a client that came in and they were like, I just, I can't stand exercising. Yeah, oh yeah. And then you're like, okay, but you're here. Now what do we do?

Yeah. You know, like that's, man, but you're here. Now what do we do? Yeah. You know, like that's, man, that's a difficult place to be, but it's such like baby steps of introduction. I actually found an answer for that person, right? Cause they would, oh, I hate exercising. Exercising to me is like, I think right away, like that generation of people that would come in and hire us. Like it attaches that to like Jane Fonda,

circuit classes, sweating, body pump, like moving, like pushing, burning, like all that. And then I'm like, well, let's train instead. Instead of exercising, let's train. Let's find something you enjoy doing or find it. Like do you want to get stronger at this thing or have you ever done this type of a movement and then teach them that and be like,

hey, let's get good at this. And let's focus on that. Let's not think of this as like exercise and you have to get this sweat or this burn or get like this crazy workout time. Let's pick something that you do enjoy doing and let's try and improve a lot. I actually prefer, I would prefer,

when a client said that to me, when a new client, oh, I hate exercise. Well, okay, now I'm glad we're starting with round zero. Yes, because the person that comes in and hires me and says, well, I love running. Do you run? Well, no, no, I don't run. I have before, but I don't do it now.

Like, well, you actually don't love it. You know, you might have an association with it, but you don't really love it. So, okay, you don't love exercise, you hate it. So, here's how we're going to build a relationship with exercise over time. That's going to get you to enjoy. And one of them is, why are you doing this for?

Is it because you hate yourself or because you care about yourself? That's a big one. Number two, maybe your association with exercise, you feel terrible during and afterwards. Well, you know it's gonna be great about this. You're gonna, it's gonna be hard, but you can enjoy it during,

and you're gonna feel better after than you did before. It's because that's a key hallmark of a good workout is You have more energy after the workout than you did before it invigorates you No, it's a good point. I mean, I I totally see that in terms of somebody coming in with They've already had a previous experience sometimes that was like terrible and so it like put this bad taste in their mouth in terms of like What they were going to expect going into this and you're just going to punish them. And a lot of it stems from this punishing mentality of, I have to do this as work and it's

painful. And none of it has to be that way. We can actually do a lot of things you actually enjoyed and slowly introduce you to things that you may not have done before. I feel like it's they attach it to either the best shape of their life, they attach it to the best results. They have currently seen the way they've done things. And I'm reminded of like when I first started dating Katrina, she told me that she used to love running. And I'm like, what do you mean?

We've been dating for a while and I've never seen you run before. Well, I know I haven't had to. I need to get in shape now. And now I love to run. I'm like, okay, and then she'd go for these runs. But she had made that connection of that's how she managed her weight her whole life. If I got it, if she got 10 or 15 pounds overweight

in from where her normal weight is, she knew she could go hit the pavement, run it off, and she would get back down to that way. Therefore, I love running. That's how, that's the relationship with it. Once I taught her how to strength train and speed her metabolism up and sculpt and shape her body, that girl hasn't ran since then.

Yeah. What happened to love and running? It's like, no, she loves running better. They love that, that what happens is they, they had some sort of success with that modality. And then they've now attached that to like, oh, this is my, and they've probably tried other things, right? In the past.

And that one thing showed them the most results. Therefore, I love that way of training. It's very, no, you don't, though, because you don't do it even when you're not, to me, if you love something, you do it even when you're not motivated. That's it. You know what I'm saying?

If you like, like my brother-in-law loves downhill mountain biking. That guy could go up and down and wave, not care about his thing, he is mountain biking. No matter what. No matter what. Because he has such a deep passion for that. That is somebody who I think loves that modality of cardio and exercise. And we can build that into his training.

But many times when clients would give me this bullshit thing, like I love this way. And you can build this relationship by the way. So if you're listening, like, I hate it, like, you're not, your, our bodies were designed to move. There's a relationship there that needs to get developed to where you actually enjoy the process. And it takes a little bit of time. Part of it is understanding how it makes you feel, understanding the value, understanding it's a form of self-care, changing a relationship to pain, identifying appropriate pain with exercise,

and appropriate pain with exercise. And by the way, this is true. Of all the years I trained people off the top of my head, I think it was only three. There were three clients that I trained that became personal trainers. So they actually hired me, and then they trained with me for a while,

and they eventually became trainers themselves all three of them hated Exercise on the hired me true story one was a kid and he was Shy and embarrassed and insecure didn't want to go to the gym He ended up becoming a personal trainer later on another one was one of my first clients when I opened my studio And she would work out on and off anyway She became a trainer later on another Another one was somebody that literally, the day that she hired me, she said, I'm only working out twice a week with you,

and that's not doing anything else I hate to exercise. All three of them changed their relationship to exercise to the point where they became trainers. It actually became their profession. Yeah, I mean, I went through a few of these kind of clients and one of them was overweight and in a lot of pain and it was like there was a little bit of an experience before where the focus was just on losing the weight.

And so I just completely focused on postural adjustments and mobility and taking her through like different ways to feel good. And actually like, you know, give her energy and stamina. And you know, just really slowly introducing her into like lifting weights to where it was one of those things. It was a totally different experience for her and then she bought in wholeheartedly once it was like, oh man, I feel great. Now I feel like I'm motivated. A lot of it's tied to the results. If somebody is, I mean, it's like, how long do you go

to that job and then don't receive a paycheck? I mean, and then also tell people you love it. Like you don't ever see that. And it feels grueling and shitty. Yeah, no. So a lot of the... I'm so glad you said that because a good job, a good career, is not easy. Still challenging. Absolutely.

But it's not grueling. What I mean by grueling is when you feel a sense of purpose behind what you're doing and something's challenging, it's not grueling. It's hard, but it's a good kind of hard. And you're right, you get the paycheck, you get the dividends, you feel it. Especially when it pays you well for what you do, what you love to do.

So if you can find something you love to do and it pays you well, you really love it. And that tends to be similar to the relationship that people have with exercises. It's not easy, it's hard. And when it pays you shitty all the time, it's really tough to get yourself motivated. Why am I doing this?

Yeah, why am I doing this? It's not paying me the dividends that I want for. Same thing for an investment, it's not paying you back. Oh, really tough to get yourself motivated. Why am I doing this? Yeah, why am I doing this? It's not paying me the dividends that I want for. It's anything for an investment that's not paying you back. Oh, I hate this type of investment. Why? Well, because it doesn't ever give you the return I want. Well, okay. Once we figure out that piece, you completely start to change your relationship with it.

You know, I did this with nutrition, which I think is even harder. I think it's much harder to develop a good relationship with food than it is with exercise. That's 100%. And I'll stand by that. But I hated fish, and I hated most vegetables for most of my life. Not didn't like them. Hated them. Did not like, hated them completely.

And as I got older, and I learned more about the health benefits, and I had gone through some gut health issues, and I went on a trip to Italy to southern Italy. And I said to myself, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna be open-minded. I'm gonna eat more fish and I'm gonna consciously pay attention to how it affects my body, how I feel. Over the course of that summer, I developed a relationship with seafood that now I enjoy eating.

Now it's not my favorite food, so I didn't go from being something I hated to pizza, but I now enjoy eating it because I saw the value and I connected that. Same thing with vegetables. I hated vegetables, but through eating them and identifying what they did for my body and my digestion, and now I actually will crave vegetables,

especially when my gut health is off. That's one of the first things that I will crave will be I'm gonna get a bowl of vegetables, well cook vegetables because it makes me feel good. So my point with this is, you can create this kind of relationship and I can't think of a better way to be consistent with exercise for the rest of your life than finding a way to enjoy what you do. That'll do it better than it's got to be sustainable. That'll do it better than anything else.

I had an email I wanted to read you guys. I saw, I think Katrina sent to me something, let me get it real quick. I've totally forgot to share this with you guys. This is funny, it was regarding Justin's conversation around the, his funeral. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. His grandma's funeral.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody that works at like a funeral, what do you call those places? Home, yeah, memorial. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, this grandma's family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, somebody that works at like a funeral What do you call those places home? Yeah memorial? Yeah, yeah, so it's the funeral director. What are that? Where is that? I thought it was text to me. Did you guys get it to or no? Did you see it? No, bro your your ADD out rings mine. I know. I'm sorry Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was sent to all of us. Maybe it was emailed to me. Hold on. It's right two seconds. Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was sent to all of us. Maybe it was emailed to me. Hold on. It's right. All of us are looking for it. That's okay. Yeah. Let's see here. I can't find it. But I do. I don't know. Do you remember generally what it's? No, no, I want to find it. Do

you stop it? I'm gonna go. You can move along the conversation. I'll bring it to you. I want to read it because it made me laugh. I'm surprised you're Do you want me to read it? Oh you have it? Oh, okay. What group is it sent to me executive? Assisting you think it's in all you assholes. Come on Jesus to it literally everybody has it. How did you get me? I lose my phone and found it. You get me for some reason. Yeah, I got it. You guys fault. Yeah, it's good afternoon I'm a funeral director and I can assure the guys that casket lids are fastened in one manner or another. The type that uses a crank to close

are more secure than lids with latches, so the latch ones could potentially open with a sufficient drop. Either way, a few hundred pound of cascaded person sliding on top of a pole bearer as they fall into a grave is something that gives directors nightmares. That's the whole thing is like I had this vision of like so I was slipping and falling and it was like if I go down I'm still just gonna be me that goes down. Like I was pushing my brother out of the way, I was going down, I'm like,

Graham was gonna be on top of me. You know? It's like, it opens. It goes. We're going together. There's the off-fuck-it. Everybody just, just push the Jordan. It's been a good time.

Come with the family like half off. I was like, is this too dark to bring it? I thought I was hilarious. No, I mean, it's up was like, is this too dark to bring it? I thought I was hilarious. No, I mean, it's up to you. It's a grandma. There it is. Yeah, I wouldn't say it. Yeah, but dude, I tell you guys, man, this morning, I almost,

boy, the gym sometimes, right? It can be the happiest place on earth. And sometimes it's a boy. It's the one place I might get myself thrown in jail. I was working out this morning in a hurry. So I'm in a hurry, right? I gotta bring the car. So I'm already wondering who's fault this is. Yeah. You're the members. So I'm working out in a hurry a hurry, so I'm in a hurry, right? I gotta bring the car. I'm already wondering who's fault this is, who are the members?

Yeah, right. So I'm working out in a hurry. I gotta put my car, I gotta bring my car to service. We gotta come in here, get on some live questions, you know, the whole thing. So I don't have much time, right? I got like 25 minutes, and I've been experimenting with shorter workouts anyway, but I got, that's it.

I got 25 minutes, and I gotta get out. Yeah. So I get in there, and I'm doing some stuff and I see a machine That I want to use because it's convenient. It's gonna do what I want and I got I'm gonna do it Anyway, there's a guy using it. He's doing a set then he sits on it on the bench and he's texting on his phone Was it a darker machine? No, yeah, I was trying to really try to build my inner thighs No, so it was a chest press machine. So I see him and he's sitting down and he's texting. So I'm like, okay, I'll do this thing over here

and I'll wait for him to fit. So I'm watching him as I'm working out and keeping an eye because I want to make sure I jump on it. I swear, because not again. Wait, and give me the full visual here too. Are you down to the wife theater yet? No, that happens with you. That's full pump.

Okay. This is like beginning of your pump. It was as vany enough. Yeah, this is sparse. Yeah, this is not. This explains a lot of the probably why he'd get off the pump. Okay. This is like beginning of a pump. It was as if any enough. Yes, yes, yes. This is not happening. This explains the last probably why he'd get off the machine. Yeah.

Yeah. He didn't see what was happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, it is showing the full color. Yeah, you sure? Yeah, yeah. So I'm watching a listen, literally 10 minutes, he's sitting on the bench texting. Yeah, yeah.

Sitting, texting to, so I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna ask him if I can jump in between sets. So I wait for him to do another set, he does, he stops. Let me paint the picture a little further, okay. I hope I don't offend you buddy, but if I do, whatever. So this guy's wearing two masks, so he's in the gym right, he's got one, two, so I can see that there's two. Hoodie, goggles.

No, he doesn't. Hoodie, goggles, late text glove. Late text glove, okay. And he's young guys, he's goggles, late text glove. Late text glove, okay. And he's young guys, he's like in his 20s, okay? Really? Yes. All covered up, right? And he's got a condom on too.

And he's got a underneath this pants. We're gonna see belt. So I go up to him, hey man. And he's like a observer. Yeah, and he's got like headphones, he's like doing this. Hey listen, let me jump in real quick, what, you know, and he's like a observer. Yeah, and he's got like, exactly headphones was like doing this. Hey listen, let me jump in real quick. What, you know, why you resting? He goes, oh, bro, I only

got two more sets. I'll be done. I'll be done soon. So now I'm like, he triggered me right away. Because that's Jim etiquette. It's a selectorized piece of equipment. I get his move the pin. So I'm going to move it from your 10 pounds to my 200 pounds, whatever.

I'm going to move the pin, put it back afterwards to a thousand full stack. Yeah, I'm not taking plates off and do it. It's just, that's it, right? So now he annoys us. So as soon as he says that, he goes, no, I'm out, I got two sets, I'm almost done. I said, listen, I said, while you're sitting on the bench

for 10 minutes texting your girlfriend, I could do a set. And he goes, oh, my bad, bro, and he walks off, he takes off. This is the way I looked at it. Did my set, and we were done. People need, need to learn gym etiquette. She's a bully dude. I've never said no to anybody on a machine.

Now if you come to my deadlift and you want to take a clip for a forgotten thing. I don't understand that. It's like you're renting the equipment. You don't own the gym. He doesn't sound like a very advanced lifter to me. No. So it doesn't sound like so.

He's been lifting very big. And I'm sure he was afraid. He sounded like he's been outside. And he's never real get up. I've never seen somebody that so, he's been lifting very big. Yeah, I'm sure he was afraid. He's not like he's been outside. He's been out real good. I've never seen somebody that I haven't been in gyms lately. Bro, it was everything. But I, and he, that's not common. That's, that's nobody's like that.

But, and I have empathy. I'm sure he's, you know, he's probably afraid, right? Doesn't want to, whatever. And, you know, I, I, you know, I wiped everything down afterwards, but come on, bro, you're in a gym. That's, gym etiquette. And you're, and you're sitting on the bench for 10 minutes. Yeah. What the hell are you doing? Let me use that piece of equipment. That gym two times that's

happening to me with him, and then there's another guy in there that reserves like six pieces of equipment, like literally there's six pieces of equipment. And so what I've done now in the morning, and this is just as this is as a courtesy to the gym manager. So I'm doing this for you, gym manager if you're watching. I purposely go and use the equipment, when he's hoarding,

when he's hoarding, I didn't even want to do those, but I'm gonna do it. I didn't want to do it. Just to take a point of doing it. I literally walk over to one and sit on it and do like three, four sets. And then wait for him to try to say something

or get the guts to say something. Yeah. So I'm like, what are you doing? Six pieces of equipment? Come on. I do the same thing. Do you really? Of course you do.

Of course you do. Yeah, what you're gonna do. What you're gonna do? Jim bullies, dude. No, it's like, it's a Jim bullies over. It's corrections. Okay, like, yeah, we gotta bring it back to the etiquette part. Dude, you know what, it was hilarious

and I wanted to bring up to you guys. Like, there's this company that reached out and I'm not going to throw their name out there, whatever. But their whole thing is that they want to pitch to influencers. I'm sure within 50 to whatever 100,000 followers, a way to monetize and basically absolve them from a lot of the work that goes into it by basically copying how you post things, doing all this, creating an artificial intelligence version of you to then carry on your posts and be artificial celebrity.

So is it software that breaks down the out like C's, like, let's say my pattern is like, post of his son funny meme post Workout put like it is a phone a cell. Yeah, yeah We call me moody I prefer asshole overmoot. I know, I say it on purpose. You like being an asshole. I'm not gonna call you an asshole. Moody.

You see how accurate it sounds like a whoosh. I just wanna try it. Like, you guys wanna try it? But it also makes me speculate, right? So you know the whole thing with Twitter and Elon and like, you see, dude, there's like way more bots on here than it was reported. Did you guys hear that Twitter, the guy, the executive,

who he was higher. The whistleblower. Yeah. So he was, first off, I didn't know that the whistleblower law that they passed, I think it was part of Dodd-Frank. He did, and they get paid. I did not know that either. So it's part of Dodd-Frank, the legislation where,

if you're a whistleblower, you're entitled up to 30% of the settlement. So let's say you're whistleblower, you work for a chicken food company or whatever, and you're like, they're pumping antibiotics into the organic chicken or whatever, and if they sue them, you get 30% of the settlement. Plus you can keep yourself anonymous.

Yes, anonymous. Dude, I saw the, although that's almost impossible. That's crazy. I don't know if, I think, at all the whistleblowers, how do you mean, not only do they pay you? Like, two people have been anonymous, I think. They've already awarded almost a billion dollars.

Yeah, I know. I saw the list of the last 10 whistleblowers made over 100 million. Yeah. I mean, when you think about it, you're complete your blackball forever. It's true. Like if you're a high executive enough that you can blow a whistle on a billion dollar company,

you're not going to get a job. Yeah. You might get, you might win, but then you're, you're cashed out. You know, Monica Lewinsky never got a job in the White House again after all that. I don't know. So she wrote a book though that he wasn't a New York Times best job. She did. Yeah. What does she do? Actually, that's what where she at right now?

Let's see what she wants to do. What's she doing now? She's a cigar business. Oh, you serious? I mean, there's I mean, what's his name? Are you tired of dry cigar? Remember what's his name? Bob and when it's a porn after his thing got cut off? I would you would never thought that was me. He didn't make no money. Are you sure? I mean, who's gonna watch?

I mean, I guess, maybe you're right. I don't know. I guess a lot of people. I think he made a bunch of money actually. What was the first name? Andre? What was his first name? No, well, I know his wife was Lorraine a Bobbit.

Yeah, what was his first name? What was his name? Doug, you know him? John? No, no, no, no. John, you know what's him? John. I think he was John.

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Yeah, I agree with Sachs too. I mean, this was a top tech security engineer. So they hired, because remember, Twitter had this like breach where all these celebrities got hacked. So they hired this guy, this is the guy that came out. And also he says that Twitter allowed India to pay them to allow one of their secret service or not secret service, one of their

spies unfettered access to users' accounts and DMs and stuff. Now that's wild to me. I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, but in terms of like all these bots and just how influential Twitter's been over the last few years in terms of like how we look at culture. Like it literally is driving culture and driving all these narratives and driving like all these different like causes and things

and animosity and people that are upset. How many people are really upset? I just can't think that like, with that many bots and that many influences that aren't even real people that have like shaped the way that our culture is right now. Like how are we not looking at that as the major part? The part that really I think is interesting to me, and we've kind of like lightly discussed it before that,

because I know we can, we rag on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and these platform and stuff. But the guys who created this, I think most all of them are libertarian. Yeah, they were all very like, reanimation, different. Yeah, he's definitely that way. Zuckerberg was too. I mean, they're disruptors. Well, the internet, it's really unfortunate that, you know, and I think maybe when you first, you know, build this vision, right, and this idea of what you think it's gonna look like, and then it kinda gets out of control, or it's so huge that you kind of lose control

of the direction it goes. Well, the internet was, and largely is still, but definitely was in the early days, it was anarcho capitalist. There was nothing, and it organized and progressed itself to what it's become because of markets within that. Now, here's my theory. In this after September 11th, this laws were passed essentially that allow this to happen. If it's for national security, they can literally approach a company and say, you need to do this.

By the way, there's no judge trial or jury for this. There's no warrant. Okay. They have their own committee or whatever, their own panel. What was this with Zuckerberg admitted to? Well, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't listen to that interview about you. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. at least a statement in regards to his case. So if you look at some of the stuff that was passed after September 11th, Patriot Act, NDAA and some of the things, they can literally go to a company and say,

this is in national security interests. You, we recommend you do this. If you don't, we could take you to a secret court and or throw you in jail and not tell anybody. And by the way, we never, we don't have to admit it. And this is all law. So we were protected with, you need a warrant, they need to have to go to a judge,

you have to take a label to use the terrorist. And that's the end, that's a wrap. And so now it makes sense that all these tech companies that compete aggressively in the market simultaneously kick people off at the same time, which makes no sense to me. Like you look at what happened to Donald Trump, like him or hate him, the guy had hundreds of more

of those that are building the followers. It takes something more current. Look, let's happen to Andrew Tate right now. Andrew Tate gone, instant. Everybody took him off of every platform. Right, yeah. Alex Jones is the first. Right, well, okay, so take anybody, okay?

If you have Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, you know, you have all these different platforms, all these competing social media platforms, and one of them kicks off this person who's got a billion followers, or a hundred million followers. You as a competing platform are happy. You're like, welcome with open arms, right? Oh, come on over here, bring all your followers,

but all of them simultaneously kick people off. And remember, I brought up Donald Trump for a reason because you got kicked off everything at the same time. And then you got kicked in the servers that held an app that kept them on got kicked off. So that's all weird. I mean, that's like very conspiratorial. I think that, bro, tell me a time when you get back to doing it.

Yeah, but I think you could be as easy, I think it'd be as simple as, there's a very, woke group of people that are running, they're making the big decisions of those companies. It's not that far-fetched to think that, you know, the generation that's growing up right now that's been indoctrinated by our school systems is a much more left-leaning progressive person

and they are now the executives and the decision makers in a lot of these social media companies. They still continue the market, they still wanna make money. I, yeah, but you don't think all of them at the same time would do it. I think there would be one or two. Yeah, hurt services.

Bullshit, and look at Netflix, they had to change their change. They started losing, listen, listen, listen, listen, Linda. That it's does not, if Donald Trump gets kicked off of Twitter, Facebook ain't making that much more money if they accept him with open arms. I'm sorry. It is it is peanuts compared to what that like that is nothing. So yes, you're right. Competitively sure about that.

Yes. Well, it would happen to CNN after Donald Trump got kicked out and is off the internet. You're talking about traffic. If that CNN is not is not a money cash machine like Facebook and Instagram and Twitter are I mean those those I think it's still money on the table and my point is with when it comes to competition Look even the most progressive person will say this. I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you that it's not it's not I have no evidence This is I don't I don't disagree that it's not advantageous to bring

That person on and that it wouldn't help potentially help and it doesn't potentially hurt But I'm saying that it's insignificant to the size of that company that I think it's more likely that the decision-makers in all those social media Align politically How did it happen all the same time? We're in one camp. It happened all the same time. I mean yeah I mean that and you don't think they all communicate and are in similar circles. Okay, so you think they're all silken,

they're all silken valley, they're all here, they're all fucking eat and probably having coffee and shit the same place. Do you think so? Sure. I don't think so. That's like saying all the, I think that's more likely than the FBI CIA coming in

and saying we're gonna get rid of Andrew Tate because we think he's a threat to our society. I think that's less likely. I don't know, man I don't know. I would look up things like Operation Mockingbird You're bridging over to things that we know that you know what I'm talking about that is crazy Justin knows. Yeah Yeah, the infiltrating Hollywood. Yeah, that was part of the plan I just think that the simple answer

is normally the right answer, okay? And to think that it's this crazy orchestrated conspiratorial thing, I think it's more simple. What I'm saying, I think it's more simple than what you're saying. I think what you're saying is more complex. I think what you're saying requires more coordination

from competing companies who normally are fighting for users. What? You think that's exactly how much coordination to be the main person at Twitter and Facebook and Instagram to pick up the phone or meet him for coffee because we're all in the same damn city and go, hey, we're ripping Andrew Tade off next week. We're shutting him down.

Yes. You know what? Sorry, we knew that. We knew that if you guys met with Facebook, back when they were looking for certain terrorists and they wanted their back in, they wanted their back door. Yeah. And, you know, or Apple too. And then they publicly were like, oh, no, we're not going to do it. And then all of a sudden, after closed doors and a while, well, where do you guys stand on that? Do you not want our, our FBI CIA to be able to have acts?

Okay, let's say we have a real terrorist threat. I, and they're on that social platform. Do you want them to not have access? That's, that's not the right question. Of course I do. I want them to have to get a warrant. I want them to be, I want them to have to go through the court system. That's the only protection. Yeah, but the problem with that is like, okay, there's a bomb coming on Tuesday. We just found out about it today. Bullshit. What do you mean bullshit? No, that's bullshit. We're way more in danger from eroding that protection. Then we are from, we couldn't fix, trust me, you wanna get a warrant, the FBI CIA wants to get a warrant, they'll get it and they'll go in and make it happen.

If this whole thing about we need to be faster about it and we can't tell anybody or whatever, it's baloney. I don't buy that at all. And it's been misused so many times. We know that it's a problem. Well, to me that's the problem. The misuse of it is the problem of it. That's where I, I mean, I agree with you there. Like, it's not that I've said, oh, they should be able to do it. And then we should have be able to abuse it.

But it's like, it does put you in this interesting predicament that you pass it, you pass a law like it. Because Obama passed that, right? Was it Obama who passed that? And after 9-11, who was it? No, no, that was Bush. Bush. Bush. You passed it passed Obama railed against it and then became the president and then signed it oh okay and that's that's the game so Bush push okay so Bush put it out Obama signed it eventually and continued every president has continued to extend it okay so I mean so I mean so obviously there was a reason why we did it around that time and there's a reason why we've kept it going. And what we see on from our seats is the conspiratorial crazies. No, what I see,

there's real threats, no doubt. Yes. And that's something that we do have to consider. But also too, the whole speed thing is what I always get really nervous about. And just like, if you can take somebody bypass jury and bypass a lot of the checks and balances that we have in place for a reason, like to me, like I'm worried about the everyday average

citizen of that. I just, okay, okay, I mean, I don't disagree with you guys, but for you guys to think that, okay, what was the, there was a, there was a great documentary that we all saw that was the guy that was basically grooming women, like a Taliban guy that was grooming women and stuff like that. On Facebook, he would befriend them, get them to fall in love. Did you watch that one, Doug? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You watch it. We all watched it. I know we all watched it. I can't. But anyway, so this guy was, and I believe it was the Taliban, he was a part of, or one of those radical groups, right? And he would groom women and get them to fall in love with them. And you, okay, so let's take an example like that.

That really happens. That was a, okay. And we get word that he's doing that, which this happens in the documentary, where he they're considering bombing a city or doing something like that. And it's supposed to fucking happen tomorrow. And we want access right now to everything we can. And he's all over. He's using

social media as the platform for him to do this fucking dirty to orchestrate these people, to recruit these women. And we find out about it today and something is our inside person tell them and tomorrow something's going down. You guys, oh, we got to wait till Tuesday to go to court. And then I mean, you get no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I boy they have a bad track record for people like Martin Luther King celebrities like you know the Beatles and you can see historically how some of the stuff they did and this was back when you had to go and get a war now they can do I mean here's the thing I was and I'm playing Devils advocate with you because I think we all align on the free market the small government I'm not a fan of big government I'm not a fan on all this stuff like that.

But I can see both sides of this argument and therefore I'm challenged with what is the right policy? What is the right way to handle a situation like that? Because 100% I would want the CIA or FBI had to have immediate access to somebody like that who threatens the lives of somebody in our country, for sure. At the same time too, I recognize that it's a slippery slope where we're heading and now we allow these people to get in there and do a lot of fucking shit that we don't we can't control now.

So, those protections exist to protect the citizens from its own government, okay? That's what those, so if you look at things like COVID, oh my God, if we just controlled people enough, we would have saved more lives. That's the COVID, oh my God, if we just controlled people enough, we would have saved more lives, like the argument, right? Oh, if we just did what China did, and we locked more people down. Oh, you guys, you know, second amendment, we just had no guns, there'd be no more violence, right?

Oh, would you like the government going through your physical man? Well, you just, you just, you just, you just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just,

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Okay? We got word tomorrow. He's taking a bomb to your kid's school, and we need access to it. I don't think that, I don't think. I mean, so I'm torn, bro. I don't want them coming through my house because they have a hunch or some bullshit

because I do want my privacy protected. But at the same time too, I want them to have access to that if it means saving my child's life because we got some sort of inside information that this person is using social media to coordinate a fucking attack on a school. Well, I know that that's the argument that they make, but it's not, it doesn't get in the way.

If anything, it gets in the way of them abusing their power. If anything. And I know you can create scenarios and say, you know what I'm saying? But it's not black and white is my argument. Okay, that's what I'm saying. It's not as simple as, oh, stay out of it. You know, we shouldn't allow them.

Be it like, well, you know, maybe there's some sort of an exception to the role for certain things or maybe there's something they have to be able to prove or show in order to do it. What do you have to say, Doug? I think it's time to move on. That's what I have to say. I think it's time to move on. I think it's time to say.

Thanks, guys. It was exhausted. I know. I thought you had something to contribute. I do. That's my brilliant thing. I have to get to it. Gosh, it's a terrible contribution. I think it's a great contribution.

I think people will actually agree with me. Oh, great. Doug gets all the likes now. Appreciate that, Doug. Anyway, let's talk about the supplement, acetyl-alcarnitine. Let's change gears here. That's a terrible transition.

Hey. Hey. Hey, you're the one always telling Doug to cut us off. What a fool. That's fair. Although, I think that... Oh, I didn't stop, though. We can move here.

We can move on from here, but I think it's a conversation that, one, I think the two sides that argue about a lot of time, they don't argue it right. And I don't think it is as simple as this black or white. And as much as Doug wants to move on for this conversation, I think these are the conversations that people are really having. Like, and I mean, I appreciate it when I hear other people that I respect intelligent, I have an intelligent argument to defend inside. You know what I'm saying? I want to hear, I want to hear your side. Maybe we weren't that intelligent. Maybe that's why.

Hey, listen, listen, we'll get back to CLL carnitines because I got a cool study about that. But I'll, I'll transition to something a little lighter. Did you guys know that so monkeys apparently are evolving now, Justin? Yeah, some monkeys have been observed as to going into the stone age, so they're using like tools and stuff. And they found some monkeys now that are using tools, the sex toys, you guys know this? I swear to God, some monkeys are using stone tools as sex toys, you guys know this? I swear to God, some monkeys are using stone tools as sex toys right now, which is pretty cool. Female monkeys are more selective with their stones.

Is this in the wild? This is in the wild. This is in the wild. Research concluded, researchers concluded that some monkeys in Indonesia use stone tools to masturbate. Wow. Yeah, so they're coming for us, man. No pun intended.

No pun intended. There's patients zero for a monkey pocket. That's what you ask to be transitioned to. Oh, God, that's what you ask to get out of fun. There you go. That's the best thing to do. There you go. Monkeys are crafty, dude.

It's wild though, you know, it's funny because we do see that monkeys, like they start to evolve. They're use of tools and stuff they learn from each other. This is just something to do that we just observed. It's just kind of cool. In like a million years, they'll be using vibrators as well. Anyway. All right, back to C.L.L. Carnitane.

Actually read a study on, so we work with the company called LiveOn. LiveOn, they make nutrients, supplements, and they put it in a liposomal packet, so it's really absorbable. Anyway, one of their products is acetyl-alcarnitine. I've been reading a lot about it, and I told you guys before how alcarnitine can increase angiogen receptor density. So these are the receptors that testosterone attaches to. I also read some studies showing that for some people with mild depression, acetyl-alcarnitine

can help improve some of those symptoms, especially older adults. So this is like a supplement of interest for a lot of medical researchers at the moment. How do they track and measure something like that? Like what are the controls on a situation like that? So you know, we talk about like somebody who like takes supplements,

tend to also be people that care about their health. Oh no, this is these are controls. So take people to mild, mild, moderate depression, have them supplement with acetyl alchornotine, then self-report. Nothing else changes. Yes, and then self-report, if they feel better or worse, and it does have a measurable effect on depression, which is kind of interesting. Now for fitness, for training, it does seem to reduce muscle damage a little bit, supplementing

with this. So if you're like on the border of overt training or you constantly push yourself, it may be a supplement that you can use to get yourself to be able to work harder and longer in your workouts. You know, speaking of our partners, you know, I brought up, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago, maybe a month ago or so, the magic experience, you know, that target and the price. And we are doing, I think we're trying to do the math. I think Andrew corrected me later on like that. We were, it was like within what, a dollar or 25 cents or something like that and what the price was.

And I saw Target put it on sale. So it's even cheaper. So it was a dollar cheaper. So it's even cheaper than what our discount was at the time. And I'm like, that's so crazy that they offer the, at a retail store like that, a lower price than what the direct to consumer is. I always get frustrated when our brands do something like that

because I know they track the URL for our people. Well, our code gives you $5 off. Yeah, that's it. That brings it down the way. Yeah, it makes it close. Okay. But it actually, I mean, we're arguing over cents right now. Okay.

But I mean, one of the things that I always negotiate for us, I don't know how much you guys know this or not, but one of the things when I'm negotiating like with a partnership about us doing advertising with them, I'll take less money for us to be guaranteed the best deal. Of course, because that just for our audience. It's like, I don't want our audience like, oh, I found it on Amazon for this.

Oh, I found it over here for this one. So a lot of times I'll tell the company, like, hey, is this the best you offer anywhere? And they'll be like, yes, that's the lowest. Or if they say, no, sometimes we run these sales, I say, hey, is this the best you offer anywhere? And they'll be like, yes, that's the lowest. Or if they say, no, sometimes we run these sales, I say, look, I want the lowest price possible. You can pay us less money so we can guarantee that. So when I see that, I always get irritated at frustrated, but I don't know how much they

have control of that. Or you negotiate when you're with the, I don't know if anyone knows how that works. I don't know if you know when it comes to like, when a company farms out to like target or Walmart or price. Maybe price by so much of it. Yeah, that they have more control of the price And they and then like magic spoon doesn't have a say in it Do you know if that's how it works? Yeah, I have no idea what the negotiations look like But you think a company like target, you know, they have locations all over the place They're buying thousands of boxes of it. So well nonetheless, they're blowing up

Yeah, that company is that cereal is everywhere Exploded yeah since we started working with them. I feel like you'd even sell if you're a gym owner like you up the front member in golds gym they had like You know some protein shakes that are just like a one serving one and like some of the rip fuel and all that kind of stuff like Imagine I go single serving, yeah, cereal box. And you could pour milk right inside. That's just getting straight inside. Oh, I would.

You know, there's brand. So I, this was, I don't know if it was brought to my attention from a listener who, how were this came across this. But I saw Wheaties has a brand called Wheaties Fuel. And I thought it was new, but it was actually something that they've had in the past and then it's gone away.

So they've attempted like this higher protein type of... It's the market. It's basically crap. And it didn't do, who it didn't do very well. So, I don't know, I don't know why, I don't know the history on it, maybe Doug can pull it up and see if it still exists, but I know that they tried to do that

and it didn't have an advantage. The challenges that I would imagine with that market would be your typical serial owner probably really didn't care about protein. And so then when they see a box of because protein is expensive. So they're like, wait, Wheaties fuel, it's like 50% more expensive.

I 100% agree with you, Sal, because that, I mean, that's the biggest hurdle in challenge we have, even selling it on the podcast is I always see people, oh my God, that's so expensive. And challenge we have, even selling it on the podcast, is I always see people, oh my God, that's so expensive. And then I have to remind them, okay? It's way protein. It's way protein in there. So if you took your bottle of way protein

and you just put it in your cheap bottle or your cheap bowl of Cheerios, and then you did the math of your scoop of way protein, added to the price of the bowl of the cereal, it would come out to be about the same, or even more than what that is. It's that simple. It's like, yes, you cannot.

And so for the people that try and compare it to regular cereal, like yeah, no, it's not, you're not trying to replace, you're actually trying to meal replace. The idea is it's supposed to replace a balanced meal and Cheerios, okay, or shredded wheat or Lucky Charms. It's not a balanced meal. It's just carbs and sugar, you know?

Yeah, I love it. Do you guys remember when they put the red balloons in lucky charms? That was a big deal. No, you don't remember that? More of the colors you better. Yeah, they didn't have the red balloons for a while. Was that the latest one?

I don't know if it's the latest one. That's a good trivia question. That's the one I remember. Because I do remember like, in our lifetime, there's been a couple marshmallows added. Yes, yeah. Like what is the original Lucky Charms marshmallows? I remember if you would diemins.

Those diamonds, horseshoes. Rainbows. Rainbows, horseshoes. Clovers. Clovers. Clovers. I think that was the ones. After that, they started adding.

And then I remember he's on the red balloon. It's a red balloon. What are the blues, the moon? Right. I just remember my brother would beat me in the morning. He would not, you wouldn't beat me. He would beat me to get the cereal in the morning. And he would literally like eat every one of the marshmallows.

So I would just pick one by one. I would pick the marshmallows out. And then I would go pour myself a bowl. I'm just like, well, like I only have like a couple marshmallows. And then I finally caught him one morning just like, mm. Eating all the marshmallows. Like who does that psychotic rise but I wouldn't eat them by myself and I do is what I'd pour both cereal and then I'd reach in and get you know

I swear Martin Marshall Hey, do you guys think you asshole? Do you guys think lucky charms could make an all marshmallow cereal? Do you think they could do that? I just Marshall. This shit. I bet there is a I bet there is already something like that.

That's like the market. So you know cheese it. So every now and then they mess up and they'd have a burnt one. And people were like, I love the burnt ones. They made just burnt version. No they did it. Yes.

They made burnt cheese it. Really? Yeah. Oh my God, that's bloody. Yeah. The thing is somebody had, we were out of the car. I like the burnt ones. Somebody had, I was thing is somebody had, we were out like the camping. And somebody had, I was like, what?

Hey, they did that with like Starburst. I saw the gas station in the day. It was like just the red ones. I'm like, well, yeah, of course, because everybody's always like, give me the red one. Yeah, just the red one. Yeah, just the red one.

Yeah, read you the other cool shit. Doug, did you see, maybe you can pull this up so the guys can see this. The, and I don't know if there's more than one of these or there's only one is a real life Mario Kart. Oh, this up so the guys can see this. And I don't know if there's more than one of these, or there's only one, is real life Mario Kart. Oh, this is so good. So that basically go-carts, but then they have like, on the ground, I don't know how they do this,

and the cars have to have some sort of connection to some sort of digital screen that's shooting on there, because you can like, leave bananas and shoot rockets. Yeah, their car turns off and then it hits and it makes their car stop for a second. you don't screen that shooting on there because you can like, you know, leave bananas and shoot wrong. Their car turns off and it hits and it hits and it makes a car stop for a second. Stalls you literally. I thought that's so cool. That's so cool.

Isn't that cool? I want to find that place. I know. Find out where it's at, Doug. So you don't know. That's a good team building exercise right there. Andrew, if you can figure it out. There's one in Universal Studios.

Holly Wood is supposed to do it in 2023. I'm Luigi. You see guys. They have it in Japan. I'm Luigi, just so you guys. They have it in Japan and Bowser. Niagara Falls as well. You're 100% Bowser. Yeah, yeah, you are Bowser. You look like Bowser right now, bro. Yeah, I have a thing.

You look like Bowser. Hey, Doug's tone. Doug is talking. I have no idea. Yeah, yeah. He's a little mushroom, guys. He's a little mushroom, guys. He's a little mushroom, guys. He's a little mushroom, guys. Psychedelic.

Oh, piss off, I'm going to be wearing a Firmario Luigi. Dude, I got a hack. I got a parenting hack for you guys. Oh, I love those, dude. Yeah, you know, I know people are like, oh, I already knew that. And I remember the food from your house. He's like, you should create your children.

Like, you do your dog. Yeah. You could go anywhere. You could do it with your wife, put them to oh, I already knew that. And everybody feels like you should create your children, like you do your dog. Yeah, you could go anywhere, you could do it with your wife, put them to create, put them to food. No, so my youngest, if he hears like a rapper or something go off in the house, he'll find me. He'll come find me. And then whatever I'm eating, he wants to have some. Even if it's the same thing, I gotta give him some.

So it's this thing, right? So I don't know what we're eating. And it wasn't really spicy at all, but there was, I think there was a little bit of black pepper and the bite that I gave him. So we ate it and then poor kid is like, oh, I need to drink one, right? So I'm like, ooh, it's spicy. It's spicy. Oh, you got to drink it spicy. Didn't want any more. So I'm like, wait. Now you tell them all Oh, but by, and I'll be like, it's spicy. And he walks away. What? Everything's spicy now, too.

Dude, I had a dad moment. The day that was like, oh, it took everything I mean, not to cry. Like it was, so we're at that face now. I've told you guys that Max is like starting to put several words together and stuff. Katrina and I went for like this long, oh, hike the other day

and I had like, it was like, I don't know, two long hike for me, two and a half hours or something like that right where we were walking. We first pushed him in the stroll or he took a nap, then he woke up and then we kept walking and her and I were talking and stuff was a beautiful day out by our place.

And I was, I had just deadlifted like the day before and I don't know, like when you go for a long walk after like a good deadlifting session, my hips were all tight and locked up. And so my back is starting to get stiff. And I'm like, okay, it's time for us to like head back to the house. I need to do some stretching or something

because I'm starting my back, start to lock up. Well, Max gets how the stroller and he wants to walk. So we let him walk for a while. And then he's like, he always does this thing where he'll walk real fast and he'll get in front of me and then he'll just put his arms up. And then like just it's like second nature for me to pick him up.

And Katrina was already telling him, all right, if you walk, Daddy's not gonna carry you, you walk, you walk, okay, okay, and then he'll walk for a little bit and try and do it and she'll be like, no Max, no, she keeps telling him. And he's just too cute. He does it like three times to me and finally,

I'm gonna, and yes, so I pick him up. And Katrina looks at me and she kind of rolls her eyes because I just told him not to do that. And he wraps his arms on me and says, I love you daddy. Oh. Just, whoa. Dude, that was like the first time you'd like,

put it all together like that. Yeah, that's the first time he said that. Yeah, like that. He's said like part, but like in a moment like that where I wasn't coaching him to say it or do it. And then I didn't want it. Okay, I can treat it worse. Oh, do it. And then I didn't want it. Okay. I'm taking it back.

I'm treating it worse. Oh, I did. It's exactly what I said to her. I see told you this. He goes, honey, you're, she goes, honey, you're back. I said, worth it. You know, for sure worth it. I was like, oh my God, dude.

These moments happen like, I know I get home. Or really, it's here's my car. So then I'll see him open the door. And he's super excited. And just small things like that are just such a big deal, you know, really reminds you to stay present. Cause I missed that shit. I, you know, a long time ago, we shared it on the podcast

and you know, I don't know if we've revisited it or what I'm with that, but I'll tell you, one of the more impactful things for me as a father and a husband that I ever heard was that conversation that Joe, Joe Rogan had with Jordan Peterson. Oh, yeah. Where he says that? Everyone Jordan Peterson talked about comparing like how we as humans prepare for a vacation

for a week or like that. It's like you spend weeks and months planning it sometimes a year in advance and you know shopping for the hotels, the rental car, the restaurant. I mean, it's like all this effort into this thing that is only going to be a brief moment. Yeah. Five, yeah, five days of your life. 20 year. Right. Yeah. Or once a year, you know, say, one time you're going to do it, right? And then he's like, you will come home and you will see your wife and kid or whatever. And that 15 minute window, how impactful it is, the way you enter in that house, to what you say to your wife, what you say to your kid, and that time multiplied over days

in the week, over months and years in your life, is like an eternity in comparison to that. And it's like, yeah, we spend zero time thinking about that or putting effort into making it good. And that like hit me like a ton of bricks of like, oh my God, how many times do I storm into the house from and still thinking work? And so it's a common practice for me still this day.

And I'm not batting 100 on it. But it's hard. This is the eternal challenge for parents. I've decided. It's the how do I stay present in the moment with my kid because it's stressful. they're demanding your work, you have bills, like I did this with the other thing where Aralius, he likes to,

he likes, when we make a megs, he likes to stir the eggs. We showed him that he can stir the eggs and now he wants to do that. So now he comes up to me and he does the stirring sign that means he wants to make eggs. So this time I said, I'm gonna have him do every step of the, I don't care if it takes 45 minutes. This is like, what am I gonna do?

Hurry up and make eggs so I can play with him later. Might as well do it while we're making the eggs. So every step of the process, make sure you get the eggs at the fridge, bring them over here, crack it on the pan. We did the whole process and he was so happy to be doing that. Afterwards gives me a hug and I'm like, oh, why don't I do that kind of stuff more?

And then you go into the shame thing as a parent. Why don't I do that more often, say right? And my wife reminds me, don't make yourself feel bad. Just try and do it again. No, you just gotta remember. I mean, I think the advice that Arthur Brooks gave that one-time honor show where he, I think he was in a cab, right?

With some guy and some guy was asking him about, like what's the, what's like one tip to being a great father or whatever and his response was, you already, like what's the, what's like one tip to being a great father or whatever in his response was you already did it because he's thinking about it. So just a simple fact that you care, you're aware of that, you want to be a good father so like that you're already winning 50% of the battle.

So I know that I'm not, I know I don't bat a hundred and I know I definitely can come into the house and be the guy but it is something that I'm aware of. More than I ever was before, that's why that was such a huge moment for me hearing that. I'm like, man, I have never thought about that. So I try and practice when I pull in the driveway to just kind of take a brief moment and just remind yourself, yeah, just remind myself, I'm about to walk in. I'm irritated maybe for because of this or that, like my wife and kid have nothing to do

with that. And so I don't want them to feel that. And so when I come in, I need to, you know, give them a different energy. I have stupid argument with Sal about search and seizure. No one, without a warrant. Damn it. Really making me angry.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm surprised you're remembering me, so excuse me. Yeah, I've talked to you like four times. Yeah, I know. I was thinking about when I got on here. It's going to see you guys again. But thanks for having me on. It's really, I really, really appreciate it. What can we do?

So yeah, I'll get right into it. You know, I've been doing coaching for three years now. I played calls football. I played football all the way through college. I tried to be a professional when that didn't really go anywhere. I wanted to get to the point of understanding why I was never able to push myself to the level that I wanted to, why my body was always in chronic pain, which led me to get six certifications in personal training, nutrition and behavior change, and then allowed me

to be a personal trainer at the center that trained me then went to 24 hour fitness and then now became an online coach helping people get in shape and really reestablish their love for themselves and their fitness. And I got in the best shape of my life, even better shape than when I was a college athlete and it's been absolutely phenomenal and that's why I love doing what I do and coaching is what I meant to do is to do this, so I listen to you guys all the time, being able to meet you guys has been awesome. So my question really is I meant to do this, but I'm having a hard time being a part of multiple coaching groups, right? I've met you at the NCI event I just want to pick your brain and understand the line between me being able to be a better coach and the person being ready to make the appropriate change necessary to see the

changes that they want. If that makes sense. So like how far do you push them? Or you tell them about yourself personally, you tell them I saw personally with going through all the coaching and then applying it to yourself. So kind of in the sense of like, there's these two schools of thoughts out there, at least from my perspective, right, where

coaches are able to really connect with their clients and see the results, or help them see the results they want. And then there's another school that coaches that like the client doesn't want it bad enough. And I'm in this weird mixed up land of understanding like where that line is like, if I can't reach a certain person, and I know I'm not gonna be the right coach for everybody, but is there a line where I need to become a better coach or just to have to understand that that person may not be ready to make the changes that they need to see?

Well, both schools of thought are correct. Because I mean, there's gonna be people that just aren't gonna make the change, and then there's gonna be people that are challenging that requires you to be a better coach. So I don't think that one school of thought is more right than the other. I think they both. Well, I would say number one is, it's always your fault if you're the coach.

So it's always your fault. Number two is accept the stuff that you can do and what you can't do. So what do I mean by that? Well, first set some boundaries. And the best time to do this is what you can't do. So what do I mean by that? Well, first set some boundaries, and the best time to do this is when you first get a client. So listen, here are my policies, now that you're hiring me. If you cancel, you gotta give me at least 24-hour advance notice, otherwise you lose your session.

If you do this, you know, more than two times in a month or whatever you decide is right for you, then you'll lose your spot, or you could potentially lose your spot. Ultimately the results are up to you. I can't work out for you. I can't eat for you. I can't change behaviors for you. I'm here as a guide.

So ultimately the results are up to you. And you set the boundaries. And then you respect your boundaries. But beyond that, you can't force somebody to do anything. And you got to figure this out for yourself, where your boundaries are. I know for me, I had a realization where I was like, look, if the clients showing up twice a week to see me, and then they're, you know, eating bad on their own or whatever, so they're not losing weight, if they didn't train with me, they wouldn't even work out.

So I'm doing something. For me, that was my, I was okay with me. But if they'd no showed me, or they canceled a bunch doing something. For me, that was my, that was okay with me. But if they no showed me, or they canceled a bunch of times in a row, that was my boundary. Like, look, at least respect my time, I have a business, and there's other people that could fill up that space. So, you got to set those boundaries

and then just honor those. But at the end of the day, it's all your fault, which means if it doesn't work out, you got to accept it. Like, I couldn't figure out how to get to this person. I couldn't figure out how to work with them. And that's fine. That's okay. We're gonna have to move on.

There's also levels to this, right? Like when you're scaling like you are right now, I remember like the first couple of years of training clients, like, I would say I probably had a mix, I don't know, of 50-50. 50% of the clients, I really enjoyed training because they would apply the things I told them. The other 50% were kind of a headache,

inconsistent, lied about stuff. Could never get them to follow all the stuff. And at that point in my career, I was a little held hostage to still keeping those people on my roster because I needed to build a business. But over time, what happens is one, you get better at your craft, setting the boundaries like Southalsang, and then taking responsibility as the coach, you're getting better. Also, recognizing too that some people just getting them to show up is a massive win, right? And

you're already impacting their life there. So also understand that, right? Like, not everybody is going to be like hardcore, measure away their food, show up every single day, like check in like they're supposed to. Some people just aren't there yet and as a coach you got to kind of meet them where they're at. And you know, and Sal tells a story that he's told in the podcast probably a hundred times about the lady that it took him two years just to get to read one page, one nutrition page, you know, a day was and that was like a huge leap.

You know, I'm saying like he couldn't get it to follow a diet for two years because she was just so opposed to even following anything like that. And then he finally at least got her to accept, you know, reading one page two years later. So understand that you're going to have a wide range of people at all different levels and a good coach can meet those clients and and set goals for them that stretch them a little bit, but aren't so overwhelming that they're just not gonna add here to it whatsoever. So you're trying to find that juggle. And then as you get better at doing this,

and your roster gets more consistent and filled with the people you like, then you could kind of be a little picky and choosing. Then you'd be building a reputation. Like, once I got to a place where I've been doing this for a long time, I'd built this reputation that you couldn't even train with me until you submitted all the, almost like an application to me. Like you had to apply to train with me.

Part of that application process was you had to track your own food for two weeks, do these pictures. Like you had to do all this stuff before I would even take money from you. So you can start, and then that, what that did for me was like, it weeded out all the people that weren't serious. Like if you weren't willing to do that on your own before you even pay me, then you're not even ready

to become a client of mine. And so, but you can't try to do that when you're also scaling is also challenging, so I understand. And you may have different boundaries, like that was Adam's way of doing this. Right, that's right. Yeah, at that point in your career, right? Yeah, it changes.

I mean, in the beginning, too, you need the clients, you need the volume, you need the practice. So, to deal with all these different personalities is definitely a tough part of the job that you're going to have to navigate through and to be able to reach them and tell them and communicate what they need to hear in the most simplistic form from the begin. You're just going to get better at that and clearly conveying that from the beginning. So, that way you get that kind of buy-in but I mean honestly everything has to be clear up front like whatever it is that you know is terms of your boundaries in terms of the expectations of everything going into it and then you can't control the

rest other than just trying to communicate your best and feed them information that they need. Yeah and a lot of it depends on, if I was training a bunch of people who were gonna compete in a bodybuilding competition or athletes in a sport, or something very serious with as a targeted goal or whatever. Yeah, you don't show up and you're not serious.

You're out, I'm not working with you, right? Off the team or whatever. If I'm training the everyday average person, it's totally different, the context is different. I'm looking at for me at least, okay, this was me, right? I wanna be able to change this person's life, right? I wanna be able to help them develop a relationship with exercise and nutrition that will last them

the rest of their life. That's a long timeline. So you know Adam talks about, it took two years with this one client and I had clients that took them four years, lose 30 pounds, right? But then after that, they kept it off for the next 10 years, right? We're still on, now we're on year 10

and these people haven't gained the way back. So the timeline is different, individuals are different. And I think the key is this is, you know, you really gotta love people. And what I mean is I don't mean feel love for them. I don't always feel love for my clients, but I actively love them in the sense that I was honest. You know, I have a friend right now

who's dealing with a 22 year old kid who, their son, who's abusing drugs and alcohol and, and we have this conversation over it. And they were advised to kick him out. And they said, we can't, we love him. And the therapist said, look, that means you have to create, well, they said you have to create a bottom.

You have to, they have to hit bottom, you have to create that. And so loving them means you have to tell them they can't stay there anymore. You have to create these boundary type of deals. So, how does it supply to what I'm talking about with clients? You can be very honest, you know, John, the reason why you're not losing weight is because you refuse to do everything that I tell you.

That's honest, but then there's compassion. I get it, it's hard when you're ready, you let me know. You see? And then you have your boundaries. John, look, you know, show it on me. Remember, if you know, show on me again, I gotta give that to somebody else who's willing to respect my time.

Like, I would talk to my clients this way that I had relationship with with willing to respect my time. Like, I would talk to my clients this way that I had relationships with, we're trained for 10 years. You know, you could be very honest and compassionate at the same time and it was very effective. And some people just take a long time and you gotta look at them and the individual and say, okay, what's a win for them?

Like, okay, you know, she's not eating a bag of potato chips every day. That's a big deal for her. Like, she's been doing that for the last year that I've been with her. She just stopped doing that. Like, that's a big, or they're showing up. They're showing up every single time to their workouts on time. Everything else isn't great, but before that, they weren't even doing that.

So, but that was me, right? So, you have to paint that for yourself, be solid, communicate those boundaries, and then be consistent with them with empathy and honesty. And what you'll find is you'll be very effective. You're not going to be a hundred percent effective. It's just, it's just not, but you will be more effective. I want to touch on something that Justin said that I think is really important because it reminds me of even leading trainers just being in the leadership role period, which you are as a coach, you're leading this person or these people. And that was the laying out the clear expectation.

There was a clear shift in my career as a manager, leading other trainers when I'd have this challenge, like after I've had this trainer working for me for six months, and they weren't doing some of the things that I wanted to do. And it was why it was always challenging for me, was because I just expected that they knew, that they would see their peers, what their peers were doing, that they knew what the job and tell, but

I didn't really sit down and like communicate like here, here's the rules, here's the way I want things done. And that was, so it always made these awkward conversations and I was always in limbo and I let them stay on the staff too long and they got mad at me and they had resentment when I'd sit them down six months later and tell them they were doing these things wrong. And that shift was, it became very important that when I hired somebody on, I had this conversation that I had practiced over time that became very scripted of like, okay, here are my expectations for you as a trainer working for me, the same thing that you would

do with a client. And laying that out makes these future conversations that Sal and Justin are both talking about much easier. If you don't do a good, if you don't hold yourself accountable to having these boundaries like Sal's talking about and then like Justin's talking about, laying it out clearly at the very beginning of them hiring you,

then you're gonna be in these weird awkward situations where you're like, oh, I just assumed that. They knew they were supposed to do these things that I, I just assume that they knew they were supposed to do these things that I said, or I just assume that they would listen to me. It's like, no, don't assume. Sit down and be very clear from the beginning, your expectations of this coaching session

or coaching journey with you. And then it'll be much easier to have those follow-up conversations later. Yeah. Does that help you a little bit? That helps so much. Yeah, it that, is that help you a little bit? That helps so much. Yeah, it's just a lot of what I, what I thought, I knew you guys were gonna say it,

but hearing it sounds so much. And it's the exact reason why I listen to you guys, I try to emulate your guys' coaching as much as I can in my home. So yeah, that helps a lot guys, thank you. Awesome, thank you, Jenna. Yeah, thanks for calling out, man. Yeah, it was good to see you guys. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you, Jenna. Thanks for calling out, man. Yeah, it's good to see you guys. Talk to you soon.

You too, Matt. Yeah, I think it's important to communicate that it's a hard job. Yeah. Okay, so dealing with humans as well. Listen, I want to be very clear here. Okay. The three of us did this for over two decades. Lots of experience.

We were all in our space, right? In our local areas definitely considered some of the more successful trainers. And our fail rate was more often than not. So the truth is, as a coach, helping people change their life and change their behaviors, even if you kill it and you crush it, you're going to fail more often than not. Now, you'll do a lot better than the average coach, and they'll do a lot better than if they try to do it on their own, but it's just, there's a lot of fails. So you really have to love this

and you have to be very, very smart about how you approach your boundaries, how things are communicated, who you're working with. Otherwise, it's gonna be, it's, it could be so frustrating. It could be, a lot of coaches and trainers quit. They quit over something like this because they can't figure it out. And they're like, this is too hard.

Nobody wants to do what I tell them or whatever. I mean, it's hard. Well, this is a very common question for new trainers coming in because the passion is so high. And they want to change people's lives. They want people to adhere to this plan that they put together and everything to work out the way that they see it in this vision

for this client of theirs that they're so passionately trying to move them towards. And it's very tough to get to a place where you can communicate clearly how this is gonna go and also be able to predict somewhat based on somebody's personality. That's a good one. What types of directions to steer them a little bit

or focus on, to get them to at least move a little bit closer towards that vision you have for them. But it's reps. At the end of the day, it's gonna be hard. There's gonna be clients that don't come back. There's gonna be flaky clients. There's gonna be a lot of that initially. And it's everything that I've learned

in terms of training. And yes, it sucks looking back and being like, I didn't help that person very well. And there was a percentage that was a lot higher back then that I probably wasn't reaching. But I was doing the reps. I was doing the work. I was continuously trying to improve and I think that's really the mindset you got to have. Well, there's a reason for that and you hit it right on the head, Justin, that I think is so important and at least it resonated with me when you said it because there's two things

I remember as trainers getting started that they failed to realize was a big part of the job. One of them we all know is sales. We talk about that all the time. You don't sign up to be a sales guy or girl like normally to be a trainer. You want to help people. And so when that's such a big part of the job. The second huge part of your job that you don't normally sign up for and realize is leadership. You may think that, oh, I'm into this like coaching, passionate for people, helping people, but learning to be a good leader is a major part of being a good coach. You're not just an information center. No. And you're not just a counter or a programmer. Like you're leading people in a direction and it takes major skill to lead all different

types of personalities at all different levels and places in their life. And so that, just in what you said is such an important leap in leadership. And I remember that leap for myself, leading trainers, that massive struggle I had. And it was the same exact struggle. It's just, mine was communicating to my staff and getting frustrated later to have those conversations. And then thinking like, man, am I a bad manager? Am I bad at this? So I'm not doing what I'm doing. It's like, no, what I'm not doing is when they are first interaction together, that first day they meet me as their boss, I'm not doing a good job

of laying out the expectations and you can never over communicate that. So I learned to communicate that really well. And then those follow up conversations were actually pretty easy because you already said it. You know, a lot of times you don't even have to use to establish. That's right, it's already been established. And so I think that's such an important. It sets the stage for ownership for them, right? Cause they know the expectations,

they know they're not being the expectations. You do this with a client. You don't even have to say anything to you. They come to you, hey look, I know I did that thing. I know I didn't show up, I apologize. Hey listen, I gotta cancel again. If you need to give my time to someone else, I totally understand.

Because the expectations, they were already set. But you said something about predicting clients. This happens after a long time, but you develop the superpower. I know we've all talked about this when you train people after a long time, but you develop the superpower. I know we've all talked about this when you train people for a long time, where you can sound like a wizard, where you can tell them,

Hey John, this is what's gonna happen. Here's what you're gonna feel. I know you're this kind of person, they look at you like, how do you know, or when it happens? Oh my God, you totally rise. I've trained like 50 people just like, you're like, I have the carnival,

that's like, guess in somebody's weight. Yeah, right, right, right somebody's weight. Yeah, right. Or like, right on the money. Yeah. Exactly. Our next caller is Nick from Michigan. Nick, what's happening? How can we help you?

Hey, guys, what's going on? Good to meet you. Thanks for, thanks for the time. Yeah. Got it. So I had a couple questions. So I'll get right into it. So I do a lot of triathlon. And I know usually that's kind of a sketchy topic, but I recently

got into more of a consistent strength training about a year ago, and the benefits have been huge, right? So now that we're about to kind of wrap up this year, we've got one more race in just a few days. I'm looking to kind of switch years over these cold mission winners and ramp up some more strength training. And I'm trying to figure out what the best strategy to do that would be on as far as more strengths. Back in head or cardio or like an apps cardio. I'm also currently right now I'm doing like two days a week strength training

along with all this from me to biking and running. Also using a map sprime and the no BS apps. So it's kind of where I'm at now. Looking at moving forward with something else. Okay, Nick, let's get you map symmetry. Yeah, actually, before we do that, because I think that would be great, I think that's actually the perfect program for you.

But what is your routine that it look like in the winter with your triathlon training? How much running swimming is I can do? Yeah, so typically, I mean, I, you know, it's, it comes down quite a bit as far as how much, you know, I'll be pool swimming probably once or twice a week just to kind of maintain, say cycling will really drop off once the snow flies here. I don't do a whole lot of indoor cycling. It's mind-numly boring unless you have like one of those super high tech Trainers what they don't running probably two three days a week maybe but the volume

In the distances that I'll be running and intensity will both definitely come down Just to kind of let my body recover from all that Let's constant. Let's get more specific Nick because I've trained a quite a few trials Yeah, you're low your low level is like, I'm just going to run like 50 miles. Yeah, I know. It's going to be a big deal. Yeah, I'm going to do that. That's cool.

Yeah. So typically, you know, like this last, this next event is a half iron last year with a full iron. So as far as like weekly mileage would go, probably 10 to 15 miles a week running, maybe spend an hour or two a week in the pool throughout the winter. Okay. Yeah, it's not bad. Yeah, so I think you should do.

I mean, map symmetry would be good. Map Santa Ballically would be fine too. I think you should continue doing two days of week of training training. I don't think you should add more. Yeah, I think you should take that time to allow your body to build, recuperate. I, like I said, trat long training is, it's a lot. You're training three disciplines.

You have to get very technical with all three disciplines and it's obviously very stamina and endurance focused. So it's very, very intensive. The off-season needs to be the off-season, and you'll actually get better results in season. If you treat off-season like you're trying to allow your body to rest, repair, and build. And if what you do is scale the triathlon training down,

but then ramp the strength training way up, you're not gonna really do that. So I think you should keep the strength training twice a week. We're tweeting. Sorry. I'm glad you did. I'm glad you did.

I really hope so. I saw a pretty tattoo. Yeah. That dates us by the way. Is anybody else doing that? Yeah, I think I'm like the same. Yeah, I think it gets it for sure. I would keep it twice a week. But symmetry though, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I love symmetry. And then if you mentioned a map Santa Ball like one thing I would love to see is if you could like replace the trigger session with the mobility sessions from performance if possible. Well, you can get that symmetry. But you can get that in symmetry. Yeah.

But I can't really get into it. Yeah. So I haven gonna get that in symmetry. So there's, but I can't tell you that. Yeah, I'm not really getting into it yet. So I haven't really looked at it. I have access to it to Annabelle right now. Okay. Yeah, actually that's something to bring up. We do highlight the frequency builder type of workouts from each program from maps performance, maps, Annabelle and maps aesthetic.

So that's actually something that we included in that program just so the audience knows deliberately. So it'll show you our thought process through that. Before we wrote Maps Cemetery, I would say Maps Antiblog would have been a great call for you to go to. So your mindset is right, but I just think Cemetery is even more apical to you. I just think you're going to get way more benefits. Being a runner, swimmer, the unilateral work and

isometric work that's in there, especially you trying to kind of de-load and recover the beginning of that program is mostly isometric. And so that's going to give you that recovery that you need. And then you move into unilateral work, which I think is going to be super beneficial for all the sports that you're doing. So that's the pro and what to Salis Point, I would just scale back one of the days. So it comes with three days a week,

but I would pull back to two days a week because of all the other stuff that you're doing and allow yourself to recover and resist the temptation to wanna do more because you know you can do more. That'll be the challenge for you is because you're so used to a such a high volume of training, initially you're gonna feel like, such a high volume of training, initially you're going

to feel like, oh, this feels like nothing. Even like, and you're way more high volume than my wife is. And when I had her run symmetry and I had her run programs like starter, she's always going like, oh, I could do more. It's like, I know you can do more. It's not about what you can do. It's what you should do. And so, you know, you're going to resist that temptation to want to do more when you know

you can. Yeah. I mean, I totally get that that temptation to want to do more when you know you can. Yeah, I do, I mean, I totally get that when I was training for Iron Man, it was more about, there was a lot of volume, there was a lot of time spent training, but it was also knowing how to hold back enough to be able to go and do it tomorrow. That's right. And the next day, and the next day, and the next day. So, all right. And this is a second part of the question about low human blood. I did. So, um, I tend to, I like to donate blood like twice

a year. Um, uh, it was cool. I think it was you guys have heard that the benefits that I get from donating blood was pretty cool. But, uh, would you ever go donate blood? You see, they track your, you just, they track all your hemoglobin. And I noticed as I, you know, track all your hemoglobin and I noticed as I you know over the years dialed in my nutrition, got fitter, my hemoglobin levels would go up up up and then this last time actually went down and I can't figure out looking back like what

happened, what's so different now that I did you know if it was I can't imagine I can't figure anything in my diet or my fitness level that would have changed it. I don't know if you guys have any insight as far as what other factors other than the obvious ones, maybe even the obvious ones that could cause that to drop. I'm not, I'm still kind of in the normal level, but it went for like, I was at 15.1 in a drop to 13.1 from the fall to the spring. Not gonna be going back, probably,

donate here in the next few weeks. I'm kinda curious where it's gonna be, but I know if you guys have any insight on that at all. How long have you been donating blood? About five years. Okay. Well, I wouldn't donate blood once or twice. That'll make it, that'll probably make it go back up.

The obvious things need to be checked. So I would check iron, I would look at B vitamin intake or absorption, you know, blood levels. And then look at your digestion. Make sure you don't have any digestive issues, ulcers or inflammatory issues because that can cause some of those issues. But I would, yeah, donating blood, I think if you skipped a session, you probably see it go up.

Get in our form. Is the obvious one. Get in the MP holistic health form. Yeah, have you gone out of social media? Oh, okay. Have you gotten your, good for you, by the way? Have you gotten your iron levels checked? I have not.

I have not, but there would probably be a good idea. I'm kind of curious what it's gonna be this time around to the end and trending up until last spring. So and I guess at my wife, I got a wife that works at the, in the, she's a scientist at the hospital, I thought, you know, you could just get me a bag of some be positive, but she wasn't on board with that. Yeah. Go get, go get, go see what your, go see what your iron levels look like. That'd be the most obvious thing. And then if they are, in fact, a bit low, you know, eat some liver, some organ meats. I mean, you could supplement with iron, too, although that tends to mess with people's digestion. And you can overdo it that way. But I would get, we'll get some blood worked

on. Make sure it's not a nutrient deficiency. That's usually the first, I mean, that's usually what it is. If there is, in fact, an issue with with hemo globin. Okay. Yeah. Right on. You got it, man. Thanks, Nick.

Thanks for calling in. Hey, appreciate it. Thanks a lot, guys. Got it. Yeah. So is it possible that the that those levels are off because of like the timing of when he gets his blood drawn compared to his training. If he was one time he gets his blood done and it was maybe moderate training from it, because he's such an intense high-volume trainer and running and stuff like that.

Well, training like that should have a positive effect on hemoglobin, giving blood will lower it. And then it takes, I don't know how long it takes to replace it. This is why they say it's a good thing for men to give blood because we don't have a monthly menstrual cycle like women do. And so if we tend to build up iron store sometimes, not tend to, some men will have higher iron stores

or they'll get too much of certain nutrients that they need to kind of get rid of. This is why they call iron man. Iron man. That's good, Justin. I got it. That's great. Iron bloated. It'soded. This has a epiphany here. But I mean, you know, nutrient deficiencies our first, second would be internal bleeding ulcers or digestive issues. Third would be an issue

with your bone marrow, which could be something bad. Obviously. Okay. So six to 12 weeks, it takes to bring back the hemoglobin. So, I mean, it could take, it could be a bad, obviously. Okay, so six to 12 weeks, it takes to bring back the hemoglobin. So, I mean, it could take, it could be a thing. So, I would get those things checked for, and since he didn't do his blood work and know what his nutrient levels are, that's probably, if there is an issue,

that's probably where it's at. Our next caller is David from New Jersey. David, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Gentlemen, good to be with you. So like you guys age, I'm a 43-year-old male, about 6'1, 176 pounds. I've been training since I was 15 years old. I basically got into weightlifting, started my sophomore year of high school.

I started with typical bodybuilding type split training, which I did throughout my youth and in my 20s. Then in my 30s, I got more into endurance sports, which I did throughout my youth and in my 20s. Then in my 30s, I got more into endurance sports, and I was competing in marathons and triathlons, and then eventually just bicycle racing. Then COVID hit, and there were no more races on the calendar, so that kind of got me back

into strength training. I do have a set of power block dumbbells, adjustable 5 to 90 pounds, and that was just enough equipment with a bench to kind of keep me going through COVID. So, with that, I just got really back into strength training. I feel like with my experience, I've always known enough to design my own programs.

But then that was around the same time I was starting to listen to you guys podcasts. And so I'd never followed a program that was designed by somebody else. But after a few months of listening to you guys, I said, you know what? Let me give it a try. So kind of fast forward to this past spring around April. I started MAP Santa Balik and at the same time, for the first time ever, I started tracking my macros, which again was a consequence of listening to you guys. So it was sort of interesting.

I used the calculator that you guys have on the website just to kind of ballpark. I had no idea where I might be, and that told me, you know, around 2,900 calories. So I started out about 190 pounds, and then over the first few phases of anabolic with 2,900 calories, I dropped down to 178 pounds, which I was fine with. I really was like, let me just see where this takes me, let me learn. And obviously I cut some body fat before the summer, so I was cool with that. Then, I didn't want to continue to drop weight, so I started to take you guys advice, I think, and start to bump up my calories very gradually, first to 3,100 then 32 then 33. I'm

currently at 34 and my weight has sort of plateaued like I'm right around 176 give or take a half a pound on on either side. So I feel good about that and I'm really just wondering you know at my age looking out over the next decade or so. So my first question is about nutrition. How malleable, you guys talk about reverse diet and I guess I'm sort of doing that now, how malleable is it? And what is the ceiling? How high a guy might size my activity level? I should say I finished anabolic, I'm doing performance now and I do walk typically about 10,000 steps a day. So my first question is, I like to eat a lot. So how high can I go and anything else I can do to get it there?

Yeah, you're kicking ass, dude. Yeah, you're great. You're really all right. You're limit is 4,273 and a half calories. Actually, let me write that down. No idea, but there's no idea. So there's such a huge variance between people. But I've seen pretty wild. I've seen as a big swings, man. Oh, I swing massively. Yeah, I've seen and I've seen it myself. I've seen him in clients. I remember I had a young lady who was eating a thousand calories.

We got her up to eating like 2600 calories and reduced her activity even and she got leaner. You know, I can get my calories up to, gosh, if I want a really bulk, I got like five or six thousand calories at some point. So it really depends on the person. So I don't know, but I'd say 3,400 calories, 176 pounds, you look pretty damn lean on screen. I would assume you're probably no more than 12, 13% body fat at the highest.

Am I right in the range? What body fat percentage? You know, I use calipers and I take, I use the Jackson Pollux formula and I kind of plug in the three location four and seven. I know it's not perfect because I'm doing some measurements to myself and like occasionally I have my wife, I do like, you know, my back and so on.

So, you know, that always puts me around five or six percent. I mean, I'm pretty lean. You're shredded, bro. Yeah, you got a lot always puts me around five or six percent. I mean, I'm pretty lean. You're shredded, bro. Yeah, you got a lot of room, dude. Yeah. I would bump your calories 500. Yeah. Easily bump 500.

You know, here's the thing that I think you're going to, you'll eventually run into this because you are really lean. You're a big guy too and you're active. So you got plenty of room to go. I bet you can get all the way 4500 plus calories. So, and this happened, Sal and I talk about this a lot off air because this is like our thing. We're always trying to get bigger and pushing the calories

and then what ends up happening is you start to see some side effects. One of my side effects is I start snoring, I start feeling a lot of inflammation because I'm pushing that I'm building muscle and there comes to a point where your frame, you know, you just weren't made to carry any more muscle and you're starting to wrestle with that. And on top of that, you find yourself kind of stuffing

yourself food-wise and you're not just enforcing it. Yeah, and so I think the sweet spot that I'm always looking for is I've ramped my metabolism up to a place that anytime I feel like eating, I can definitely eat. As long as I make a good choice and balance nutritious meal, I never have to tell myself, I can't eat or I should I should hold back or restrict calories. That's such a good place I feel like to be. And so only you can decide what that is for you. But I definitely think you're at a you're at a place where you could definitely ramp calories, especially how lean you are. Yeah, I mean, the comment about wanting to be able to eat because in your notes, you wrote, you know, I want to be able to eat. I enjoy food. I mean,

you got a lot of room, dude. You got a lot of room. I would bump 500 calories and I bet you'll gain muscle and maybe a little bit of body fat at that. Maybe, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, so that's sort of, I appreciate that. And as I put in the notes,

and I plan to do aesthetic next, and I plan to do a bulk, you know, I'm sort of at a point, guys, where like, you know, 190 is kind of like with my genetics and my frame. I can be lean and strong and and that's about as big as I can get in a lean way. And honestly beyond that, I would need like a whole new wardrobe, which I'm not really looking to do anyway. So I'm looking to bulk up to that like upper 180s, but stay lean. And so I plan to do a bulk, you know, when I hit aesthetics.

So I'll do that. I'll bump up maybe instead of going in 100 calorie increments. Once I get there, I'll bump three or 400 and hit phase one of aesthetic and see where that takes me. So that kind of brings me to my other question, which was about I'm currently in performance. And you had a call or just I listened to an episode recently

that made a similar type of question, but I'm kind of struggling with on the one hand, I enjoy it. I'm the kind of guy that enjoys kicking my own ass kind of thing and that endorphine and dopamine rush of the workout. Like I need my daily workout. I love the mobility days. That gets me in the gym.

It's not strenuous, but I get, you know, that satisfaction of going to the gym. And I just think those are fun workouts to do. So I think you guys did a great job designing those mobility sessions. They're kind of like workouts. They've, you know, there's definitely mobility components, but they are slightly stressful, which I kind of like, anyway, you know, phase one, I liked phase two through four, I mean, phase two right now. I'm struggling with, it feels a little bit like just that, like getting a sweat, burning calories.

I don't know where I'm going, you know, so it's a good workout, but I don't know where I'm going. And I'm kind of starting to question, like, should I shorten those phases from three weeks down to two weeks? You know, still do the phases, but just do two weeks. And that way I get to aesthetic sooner. I don't know what you guys think about that

or if you would talk me out of that, but that's sort of where my head space is at right now. If you follow performance all the way through, you're gonna have way better success with aesthetic afterwards. Yeah. Yeah, phase two is about multi-planar movements and perfecting your form and technique. So it's about perfect form, perfect technique,

control, stability in different planes of motion. That's the key with phase two. It's not body building, it's not about getting a pump, it's not about lifting the most amount of weight, it's about perfect technique, perfect form. You wanna be solid as hell in every direction that you move and that's what phase two is all about. Yeah, I think, I'm not sure if this is the color you're referring to,

but I know we did just have a color like this where I was, I think it was, I think it was a female that I was explaining this to that. You got to really shift your mindset in phase two, a performance to just that idea of the way we program that it's supposed to be all about quality of movement. And so it tends to be a hard transition for a lot of people that just come out of phase one because you're pushing the way you program that, it's supposed to be all about quality of movement. And so it tends to be a hard transition for a lot of people that just come out of phase one because you're pushing the way, you're getting stronger,

then I'll send you move to this phase where you're doing things like the reverse lunge and the multi-planar stuff that we have in there. So when you do those things, worry less about the weight and the sweat and the short rest periods and that type of stuff. And actually, try and improve the form. And that's why you have mobility sessions.

You're trying to get a deeper range of motion in that lunge. You want better stability when you come up from the reverse lunge. You want your left to your right side to look equal and perfect. And so become, become obsessed with that over the weight, the sweat, the burn and that kind of thought. So think about the quality of the movement through that phase, and that's really what you're trying to be competitive with in that phase.

Yeah, and to the point of, so two weeks versus three weeks, and I know there's also a little bit of, we've gotten some feedback in terms of the volumes a little high, and some of these multi-planar movements. And I think it's because it's a foreign type of animal for a lot of people who just stay in the sagittal plane the whole time. And so it's mentally challenging,

more so than it's physically challenging. And to be able to get in that head space, you gotta think of it as you're patterning these movements so you get familiar with them. And so it was intentional that we raise the volume a little bit. So you get more adequate practice so your your body responds so much better when there's any kind of shift or it takes you out of the sagittal plane when you go back to lifting heavy and getting after it again.

I appreciate that. You know, you guys have sort of made a believer out of me. I have to say with antibiotic going down to even the three days, following the advanced calendar, I was a little skeptical, because typically I lifted not much more but four or five days. But even that reduction, I got amazing results from antibiotics. So if you guys tell me, stick it out and do the three weeks, I'm going to give it a shot and I'll do that. If I could just ask one additional question, if you guys don't mind, and I sell, I know

you had some experience with this. So I also had my testosterone tested a few weeks back. And so I don't know what to call, I guess the regular testosterone range was within normal. The free testosterone was below the standard range. And so my GP referred me to an endocrinologist. And so I have an appointment coming up. I wonder if you have any advice for me like I don't know if that the I don't understand the difference between the those two measures like free test osterone versus the regular. And like what if you have any guidance for me as

so far as like what questions to ask the doctor or what I might expect for the process? Yeah, we're going to get in our form. Yeah, so we have a form called MP hormones, actually wait a minute, is it mind pump hormones? Mind pump hormones. Mind pump hormones on Facebook. So I'm not a doctor, but I do know that free testosterone

is not bound by what's called sex binding globulent hormone. So when testosterone is bound by this, it's really unusable. Okay, so you have testosterone, but your body can't use it. Once it's free, now you can use it. So you can have high total testosterone, but low free testosterone, and you would suffer, you could suffer the effects of low testosterone, even though total testosterone is within range. So what causes high sex binding, a globulin hormone? You know, that's a question you would have to ask your doctor. I ask our doctors, we have two doctors that

are actually in that forum daily answering questions. You'll get an answer quick. It's free to you. Yeah, you'll get an answer real fast if you go there in the forum and ask those guys. And then if you want to work with a specialist, you go to mphormones.com and get yourself an assessment, have them take a look at everything and kind of see what's going on. And I would, you know, of course, we're biased because these are the guys

that we sought after and think are the best in the industry. But I actually went through a different clinic before and I was very unhappy with the service that I got. Just, they weren't able to answer the questions I wanted. They had me on extremely low dose. And Sal is the one that actually found Dr. Rand and his team and introduced me to you and they've been, and they're way better.

So before you maybe go down the rabbit hole with, because that's the GP sends you to somebody, they're gonna try all these things, they're gonna be real skeptical to do anything with you, they're not looking to optimize, they're looking like just to get you out of the unhealthy range, and what you'll get with Dr. Rand is they'll allow you to go to a place where you wanna optimize,

which they almost double the dose that I was getting from my other practitioner, and I feel way better with them than I did the other doctor. So, but the forum's free. So, you can get in there, ask whatever questions that you have, and then if you want to take the next step and book an appointment with them, and you can, everything can be done virtually. They'll have you go get your blood work, they'll, you'll send it in,

and then you'll actually have a consultation virtually with one of the doctors, and they'll go over your blood planals with you, and then give you your recommendations, and it gets shipped right to your door. Alright, cool, thanks a lot. Yeah, right. I appreciate your time, guys, and I appreciate all you do, especially, you know, you guys have made a big impact on my life with mobility, following prime,

and with the nutritional device you've given me. So it's been really cool to follow you guys and I appreciate all your advice. Thanks, David. Thanks, David. Appreciate it. Take care guys. You got it. Man, he's such a fan. He started cutting his hair like you. Homeboy shredded dude. Yeah. Five six percent. Yeah. When you said like 1230.

A hundred and eight no 12. They're do you present? I could tell he was single digits. But I know exactly that's lead. Well, he's telling me like it worried about gaining bodies. I'm like, you know, the highest. He's got to be the maybe 12. Yeah, I know. You know, type of dude.

He could easily push that to 4,000 calories, dude, if he wants. No, you know, the thing you said about the hormones, I mean, that's a big one because testosterone is a scheduled drug, right? Because it can enhance athletic performance, they put it in a different category. And because of this, the traditional,

I guess methods of the traditional, you know, doctors, I would say, they don't, they're very afraid to touch it or to supplement it. They're reserved there. Yeah, and even though it's an extremely safe hormone to manipulate, much safer than insulin, much safer than other hormones, thyroid, for example, that we routinely prescribe to people who have low thyroid. But they're afraid to do that. And you're right, they'll look at a range, and then your symptoms, they don't really ask you questions

about that, and people can be within range and have symptoms because their range should be higher. And other people, they take supplemental testosterone, they take testosterone, they'll be at a high range, and it's too much for them, and they gotta reduce it. Well, I mean, Dr. Ran explained it so well to me. Like he said, let's imagine all three or teens in 20s, you're used to having 1200 free testosterone.

And then over the course of your life, it's dropped down to 600. And then it finally got all the way after you ran what you went through where I ran cycles. And so that drops me down to 200 and something. And then I go see this general practitioner and they go, okay, we want to get you the normal range. And they bring me back up to five or six hundred. And he's like, yeah, and you still don't feel great. Like you're better. You're out of the danger zone and where you were before,

but you don't feel like you used to feel. And it's because your body is used to having double of that. And that's a significant difference. And so and that's not true. By the way, it's not true for everybody. I know people watch me. Well, yeah, of course, feels, that's not true. No.

There's people who go, they'll go and get prescribed testosterone and then they'll say, you know, I'm noticing these things, the doctor's like, well, we got to lower your dose. There is a right amount for quality of life. Well, there's not always higher. There's a definite sweet spot. I know, obviously, because I've competed, I pushed the limits and went up and there is a amount that when I go over that amount, I start getting all the adverse effects.

And I do not see the results or feel the way I want to feel at all. So there is definitely a sweet spot. But a lot of these general practitioners, they're all going to weigh on this side of, oh, you don't need it or you don't want to do it. It's like, I'd rather see a hormone specialist and doctor random them are incredible.

Our next caller is Adrian from California. Adrian, what's happening? How can we help you? Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for having me on the show, huge honor. So I started, I ran my maps on a ball like once and I really liked it, got great results from it. And then you guys had a deal on maps, performance

and aesthetic as well. So I took advantage of that. And then so I ran in a ballock again, and then thinking I was gonna do performance and add a ballock after that. And then, so I really had fun with it. I had a lot of fun with maps, performance. And at the start of phase two,

I actually started taking creatine. And I think that's kind of where I messed up, because I'm not really feeling anything from the creatine. So I just wanted to know, how do I know it's working and didn't just get ripped off? What are the effects of me taking it irregularly? And what's going to happen when I come off of it?

Okay, good question. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, did you get ripped off? It's unlikely, Crate Team now is so inexpensive that if it's pure Crate Team on a hydrate powder, it's most likely going to be Crate Team on a hydrate. I mean, if you got it from a guy in the back of a BMW, it's most likely gonna be Crating Monahydrate. If you got it from a guy in the back of a BMW

and it around a corner, there is a chance. It's not real. But if you got it a local store, why is it so hard to do any trache? Why powder like that? You might get the wrong stuff. No, so I mean, you could always look at the company and see if they have third party testing.

To what state party testing? I make sure. It's fine. How do you know it's working? Well, I mean, you get a little stronger, your body weight goes up, maybe a couple pounds. Is it going to have a profound effect? The only way to really know if you're going to have a really measuring effect on a supplement, even when like Crating, which is the most studied and backed, erogenic supplement in history, right? is to have all the factors be totally controlled and then you add the supplement And so this is how you would conduct a study you keep your diet your sleep your workouts exactly the same

Add, Crating and then see if you notice a little bit of difference But because you changed phases and things change it's hard you don't know what to compare it to so That that's about it. Now, is it working for you? Very likely. A small percentage of people will have issues with creatine. They'll have digestive issues, or they're called creatine non-responders.

They might need to take a lot more to get any effects in which case they start to develop gut issues, in which case I'd say don't supplement with it. What happens when you go off? Well, when you go off, you might lose the extra pound or two of water that Crating helps, you know, maintaining your muscles and you might lose a little bit of what's called ATP That's the energy that Crating produces more of in the body So you might lose at a tiny bit of strength. How does this translate for the average person when I when I control things really well with clients and with myself

Crating would add about five pounds to a lift for the average man. And maybe a little less one more rep. Like one or two more reps. Yeah. Okay, so it's not like this huge profound effect. But remember, we're talking about supplements. Okay, so in supplement land, that is profound. Most supplements will do zero when it comes to something like that,

if everything is the same. So that's about it. So it's not like you're going to notice this huge, crazy effect. What you might notice when you go off, you might notice you're not as strong, maybe a little bit, maybe you're a little more sore. Vigins tend to notice a cognitive boost when they're on it. But aside from that, if your digestion is good, everything's good, it's actually a health supplement. So my favorite part about answering this question is it gives us an opportunity to kind of highlight, and we've talked a little bit in the past about this, but this just goes to show you how little of an effect that supplements have.

We are talking about the best one. The best supplement on the market. It's almost certain that what you have is the real deal. But that's how minimal of an effect it really has on our overall results. When you think about the big things to focus on and you're taking the best thing out there. But I think that's a very common question I get with clients is because creatine is touted so much in the fitness spaces like the Holy Grail of supplements for building muscle, people take it and they're like, I don't feel anything, right?

Well, I don't notice anything and it's like, yeah, that's how insignificant supplements are in the grand scheme of things. And to Salis Point, like the only way, like even I feel it is, I have to be, you know, and of course I've controlled so many things, diet and training consistently for a long period of time, that I can feel a little bit of a difference.

When I take it, I feel like Justin said, I can get maybe one more rep out or like Sal said, I noticed that my body's holding a little bit more water in my muscles, so I look fuller, which I like. But it's so minimal. And I can tell because I've been doing this for so long and I've measured it with and without the average person, real, real hard to tell how much of a difference

creatine's really making. But it is helping. Yeah, and five grams a day. Just take five grams a day, it's about right for most people. Mm-hmm. God shoot. All right, does that help you?

Yes, sir, thank you so much. All right, man, thanks for calling in. Thank you. Boy, I tell you, it's the, the, the, how low the standards are in the supplement space, like, you know, Cree team is the best. Why, it's, it does something. It actually does something supplement space, like, you know, Crating is the best. Why, it does something. It actually does something.

Yeah, everything else does nothing, you know, for the most part. And then this does something. And it's measurable. Beta Align is another supplement that can measure in studies. But unless you're super dialed and you know your body, and you take it, you're not gonna notice,

except for maybe the tingly effect that gives some people in their skin. Well, you said something that I think is so important. It's like, him simply changing a program is... It's not going to know what to compare to. That is so significant. And like in the grand scheme of things, when it comes to building muscle,

getting stronger, losing body fat, switching to a new program will be more profound than taking and adding a supplement or tanning. Getting a good night's rest will be more profound, it is where being hydrated is gonna be more profound. I mean, there's a whole host of things that will be more profound as far as like, I feel the difference in my workout

than taking that supplement. And we know that that's the best in the market, but I think a lot of people, especially clients when they first get into the space, are sold on it because everybody pushes creating because of all the studies. Now there is a small percentage of people that notice a very big effect from creating

and they tend to be vegans who eat no animal products and low protein. And it's because they just don't get any in their diet. And then when they supplement with it, I've had, I remember I've trained a lot of people. I've only had maybe two clients who think I'll run out two in the whole, I've had, I remember I've trained a lot of people. I've only had maybe two clients, I can think of right now two, and the whole time I've trained people, where they took it, and maybe a week later,

they're like, oh my gosh, I can really feel this, but everybody else is like, I don't know. Yeah, what you're highlighting though is the deficiency, right? Correct, because that, I mean, that was the experience. When you hear me talk on the show, when I do commercials for Ned, and I talk about, that's how I talk about the magnesium

because I was so deficient. It's not that the supplement per se is like, oh my God, it's the holy grail of getting great sleep, but it was for me because I allowed. You were deficient. Yeah, it was deficient. So that's why that matter. And that's the, so that you're point about creatine.

It's like, yeah, oh, absolutely. If you're deficient, it'll make a huge difference. But most people, then you're gonna feel it. Totally. Look, if you like our show, head over to a huge difference. But most people, then you're gonna feel it. Totally. Look, if you like our show, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal.

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