Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1906: How to Address Low Back Pain Related to Squatting & Deadlifting, Fixing Imbalances Between the Right & Left Side of the Body, How to Get Kids Started With Strength Training & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: September 21, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: If you’re going to go vegan, do it for the RIGHT reasons. Otherwise, it’s likely to lead to worse health. (2:54) Things that Adam finds cool. (10:22) The brain blend from Ned is FIRE!! (17:13) Mind Pump on the controversy surrounding Andrew Tate and the dangers of censorship. (18:50) A clear example of obsessive fandom. (41:13) Remembering Bill Pearl. (44:54) The sex-tape formula for success. (48:19) ‘Buy My House’, the Shark Tank for real estate. (50:49) The meat sticks from Paleo Valley are a HIT with the kids. (52:54) Canada’s twisted law. (56:08) #ListenerLive question #1 - How can I measure if I am out of symmetry, and how can I improve it? (1:01:26) #ListenerLive question #2 - How can I stay satiated during Dr. Cabral’s 4-month Sibo protocol? (1:09:12) #ListenerLive question #3 - How do I program the right exercises to strengthen my lower back and core? (1:17:06) #ListenerLive question #4 - If you could design a template for extracurricular training for elementary, middle, and high school students that would span those years, where would you start and what would that template look like? (1:28:57) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP15 at checkout for 15% discount** September Promotion: Skinny Guy Bundle (MAPS ANABOLIC // MAPS AESTHETIC // NO B.S. 6-PACK FORMULA // INTUITIVE NUTRITION GUIDE // OCCLUSION TRAINING GUIDE.) HALF OFF!! Also, the Fit Mom Bundle (MAPS ANYWHERE // MAPS ANABOLIC // MAPS HIIT // and INTUITIVE NUTRITION GUIDE.) HALF OFF!! **Code SEPT50 at checkout** Debunking the vegan myth: The case for a plant-forward omnivorous whole-foods diet Dyson v15 detect Exclusive: Andrew Tate UNCENSORED Interview with Patrick Bet-David Put it in the books! Ty Cobb's dentures auctioned for $18K+ Bill Pearl’s 1967 Mr. Universe Workout Ray J Just Claimed That Kris Jenner Watched Multiple Different Sex Tapes Of Him And Kim Kardashian And Chose Which One To Release To The Public Redfin CEO gets into real estate reality TV with spot on new Netflix show ‘Buy My House’ Watch Buy My House | Netflix Official Site Some Canadian Health Care Patients Say They're Being Encouraged To Just Die Already Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout** MAPS Symmetry Mind Pump #1825: Man Cheats Death & Builds Cold Plunge Business Equi.life is offering all Mind Pump listeners an at-home Minerals & Metals At-Home Lab Test for 50% off! MP Holistic Health Add Windmills to Your Workout to Increase Your Deadlift Strength – Mind Pump TV How To Do A Turkish Get-Up – Mind Pump TV How To Do The Sled Push The RIGHT Way! (AVOID MISTAKES!) – Mind Pump TV MAPS Suspension Training Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) Instagram Derek (@moreplatesmoredates) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Wim Hof (@iceman_hof) Instagram

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Keep going after that. Yeah. We gave him like 30 days off. Yeah. No, okay, so study. I know. Keep going after that. We gave him like 30 days off. Yeah. No, okay. So I just healed. Another study came out of you study. I saw a max. We've ever posted it. Yeah. And it shows that striccity herens to a plant based diet leads to a much higher consumption of ultra

processes. All right. So let's clarify. When I say if you're going to go vegan do it for the right reasons, when you look at the data on vegans that not only do a better job going vegan, in other words, they make better food choices, they're less likely to get nutrient deficiencies because those tend to be more common in purely vegan diets.

And those same people who tend to stick to the diet because otherwise, vegan diets like any diet, people fall off after a certain period of time at something like 85% right. Those people who do well in on vegan diets, the main motivating factor for them is a deep passion for the well-being of animals. Their motivation is not weight loss. Their motivation is not improving my health. Their motivation is not helping the environment or the climate or pollution. Their motivation is I really want,

I don't want animals to die. Mainly animal cruelties, they're passion. Not just animal cruelties, but they have a deep passion for just, I don't want animals to die at all. Any life. And yeah, and this is why I'm doing this. And what happens because of that belief,

because it's such a strong core tenant for these people, that they do the work, they do the work of making it work for them in their life. They go through and try to eat it healthy and watch the nutrient deficiencies and they stick to it, they're consistent with it. Everybody else, number one falls off. They fall off like any other diet.

Keto diet, paleo diet, you know, cucumber juice diet or whatever, vegan diet. They fall off afterwards very quickly. Well, because what are you gonna replace your super satiating type of a meat that you need to make sure now it has to be like from a vegan source. Well, that's the main problem.

Because the people that watched the documentary that went viral what a few years ago, what the health was, what the health was called. That watched that documentary. And I had several family members that were not vegan before that documentary, that after that documentary, I'm eating dinner with them and I'm, well, what's going on with you?

Oh, I'm vegan now. It's the vegan? Yeah. Oh, no, they're not. That was, they're not anymore. And during that time, they would all go, did you see the documentary? What the hell? I'm like, yes, I saw it.

But what they do is they just cut out meat. They literally eat exactly the same. They cut out meat and then the only whole natural food that they have. And then the thing that replaces is all this artificial processed bullshit. And it's just not ideal. Now, in defense, okay, and I don't want to come to the defense of the vegans in this,

because I don't see much of a difference in my opinion in the keto diet. In fact, my experience going through the keto diet, I remember, you know, reporting back to the guys, like, you know what I find doing, is eating butter and macadamia nuts. Yeah, and bake it like a lot of all those foods. And that because you don't have a lot of options, those are the easiest things that you tend to find on your refrigerator and all I was doing was cutting out carbs.

And so I had to eat these really high fat foods and then also trying to get some protein in there. And I kind of found myself gravitating to a very small rotation of foods. And it was, I was like, this can't be ideal for me to eat like this forever. Plus, I don't want to be lame to say. Well, with a keto diet, what you may find, what's more common in a keto genetic diet is a deficiency in fiber, right? It's common in a keto genetic diet.

Why? You're limiting carbohydrates and there are lots of carbohydrates sources where people tend to get their fibers from. So they cut out carbs and instead of replacing those with like fibrous non carbohydrate type vegetables, they tend to not do that. So you run into like fiber issues. Well, with vegans who don't do it, well, well, plan with it, like what people don't realize is with the vegan diet, you have to kind of plan it in a more special way because you have to make sure that you don't

come up with nutrient deficiencies, B vitamins, iron, for example. A cold lean is very hard to come by in a vegan diet or actually impossible, right? So what you tend to see with vegans is either they supplement, so they supplement with key nutrients that they're not gonna get from their food or they plan it really, really well,

and it tends to be more or less whole food-based, and they tend to prepare their foods, okay? That's when people do it right. People do it wrong, what they do is they say, okay, I'm just gonna avoid all animal products. So they go to the grocery store, and they go, well, I could get some fruits and vegetables, but let me get this meatless burger patty.

Let me get these meatless hot dogs. And oh, are these potato chips? Yes, they are. Are these other snacks? Oh yeah, look at the label if it says vegan. Yeah, and they end up with often nutrient deficiencies because there's certain nutrients that are either hard to come by or you don't really find them in plant sources.

And you only get them in meat sources. And then to the point with the study that Max posted is, you know, if you look at the average Westerners diet, especially in America, and you were to analyze it, and this is creeped up, right, over the last few decades, the amount, the percentage of our diet that's been made up of heavily processed foods, which we all know lead to overeating,

tend to be less healthy, probably the main cause of obesity. Those, that food consumption, which is crept up on its own anyway, which now makes up about 60 to 70% of the average American's diet, if you look at the percentage of their food that is not ultra processed, it's usually eggs, milk, and meat. Okay. So it's like, now what you're going to do is you're going to take the only whole foods out of their diet.

And what they're likely to replace it with, which is what this study shows, is more ultra-processed foods. So now they're gonna eat worse than they did before. Their health is worse. They get nutrient deficiencies. They don't feel good. And you run to a lot of different problems.

That's a mention all the fake versions of meat suck. In comparison, since like, then you're getting less nutrients and then you're taking in something that just doesn't taste as good as what you're having before. Or less bioavailable. Yeah, vegetable oils and all that stuff. Or less bioavailable nutrients.

So sometimes what they'll do is they'll even make these animal products substitutes and they'll add vegan ingredients to make up for the nutrient deficiencies. Plant proteins and plant-based vitamin D, and plant, you know, other vitamins and nutrients and certain types of iron that you find in plants. The problem is many of these nutrients are far less bioavailable. For example, vitamin D, you can get a form of vitamin D

from mushrooms, but it's way less bioavailable than the vitamin D you would get from, for example, cod liver oil, right? Vitamin D3, right? Vitamin D2 is the one that you tend to find. In vegetables, that's one example. So you end up with a lot of problems, poor health issues, and then we can go down, of course,

the list of all the other problems that comes from, so really, if you view veganism as a diet, it's gonna fail, and you're gonna do terribly, and you're gonna feel bad, just like almost any other diet. If you view veganism as a way of life is part of one of your core beliefs, the data shows, you can make it work, it's gonna take some time,

it's gonna take some effort and some learning, but you're more likely to be successful doing it that way. And this is the advice I gave to clients the last probably 10 years that I trained people. Speaking of data, have you guys seen the new Dyson vacuum cleaner? I heard of you. You ruined my dad's. I just said that.

Pull this up. Dyson Dyson, I think V15 detect, I believe is the brand. I had, so I don't know how this works if it was like, I saw it in my feed first and then I get at like, all of a, because I clicked on it, I was like, do, now I see it everywhere. But it actually is picking, are you pulling it up here? I don't think I want the guys this. I'm grabbing it. Yeah, I want the guys to see.

I feel like his genius is so wasted. Like why is he innovating so much in like the vacuum space? Yeah, like he's so like, is that it right there? Yeah, it makes so many cool products, but it's like, who cares, it's still vacuum space. Yeah, like he's so like, is that it right there? Yeah, wait, check it out. It makes so many cool products, but it's like, who cares? It's still vacuum cleaner. All right, so what does it do?

So it actually has a percentage breakdown of what you, so it actually is breaking like, like mites and dust and like it actually, it gives you, it analyzes your dirt. Yeah, yes, it analyzes what you're, what you're cleaning up in your house. So you've got all the DNA there. Hold on, I love so much.

I love you so much, Justin. Does this thing connect to the internet? I don't know, that I don't know. Oh my God. Yeah, come with the composition of Adam Schaefer's home. Look at all the different things. It reads all kinds of stuff. Why would I want to know that except for

to make me more grossed out and scared? I know. Because there's mites everywhere. Do you guys know that? Yes, that's why it's showing up. What you would have known if you had like way more than usual? Hold on a second. Did you really know that there's... I know that I wanted to.

Do you really know that there's microscopic mites in your eyelashes? Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. They literally live in your fucking eyelashes right now. Little bugs. I shower twice a day. You know, sometimes you... You ain't getting no mites anymore.

eyelashes. You got long eyelashes too. Whatever it is, good time for a Caldare commercial right now. Yeah, I'll long eyelashes. You got long eyelashes. Whatever. You got my very caldera commercial right now. That's it. That's not our sponsor. Stop it. Wow. So that breaks down everything that's coming in.

Isn't that fascinating? You see that, Doug? Yeah. I see it. Do you think it's cool? It's cool, but why would I care? I mean, you don't care. I don't care.

I mean, I don't want to know. So this goes past like sort of the visible spec, so it'll actually like take all the little microbes and all that and break it down. What if you're like, your kids had a party and you're like cleaning up and it's 12% cocaine? What? Yeah, yeah, right. I know. It tells you what kind of substance is, like you're just, so what is it, what are those four

categories? What does it say? I'm not sure. I mean, it looks like mites, it sure. I mean it looks like might looks like viruses It looks like I don't know bacteria. That's bacteria bacteria. I would mold. I think it's bacteria mold I know that's a virus I know why they're doing this right because everybody's a freaking hyperchondriac now because the last couple years Yeah, I think it's clever marketing. You know, you know what this might actually do. Let's think of human behavior for a second Now this and now Adam is probably the most dysfunctional with this

in the sense that he wants things to be spotless. I bet this would encourage Adam to be even more cleaning shit up. Oh, yeah, it's like clean, but then you go, it's not dice and clean. Yeah, yeah, no, it's over. You know what I don't want to do is improve the percentages. We had honey 75% might last week. Never tell your brother's over here.

I don't tell you where he is. I picked up four toenails. Did you buy one? I did, I literally just saw this. You're gonna buy one. I might. I might. I can't admit that I got $800.

$800? That's Adam, 100%. Yeah, I guarantee. Do you have a good vacuum at home? I don't admit that I can't have a hundred bucks. A hundred bucks? That's Adam, 100%. Yeah, I guarantee. Do you have a good vacuum at home? I don't have a vacuum. Oh, because you have housekeepers coming to play? Yeah, I don't. I don't.

We might have one in there. I think I have. Have you guys ever had a door to door vacuum sales? I come home. I don't know how to do that. I mean, do you have any support? Oh, yeah. Rainbow vacuum.

Rainbow's, yeah. Rainbow's used to do that. That was a hustle for them. The one that worked for them for a while. We had let us. You see, something luck. Thousand to $1500 for those vacuums, by the way. Bro, they, they, those sales guys, can I say something right now?

Yeah. The sales guys that sold those vacuums were some of the best closers you'll find. And you wear in the world. In the 80s, they were. Like in the 80s, they vacuum sales guy is what we would consider like like the gym sales is like being like. And you know how much money some of them made?

Yeah, I, I knew a guy in the 90s, okay? Who's like. And you know how much money some of them made? Yeah. Big money. I knew a guy in the 90s, okay? Who's to sell vacuums and I made fun of them. I used to sell vacuums. Show me his check. I was making 15 grand a month. Something vacuum. Well, you know how, you know how, you know how,

quote unquote, poor we were whatever. We had one of those thousand dollar vacuums because- They're rainbow, yeah. That's why you were poor. But he sold my, you know, you know what it did what they used to do? They'd come in and throw dirt do is they come in and throw dirt all kinds of shit on your floor and you're like oh and then they they clean it all up and you know so what they used to so one

of their techniques which was brilliant by the way in the early days they had the spinning water they just have a spinning water in it okay yeah you're back in the drama had one back in the day by the way this was an early tactic this is true. You would open the door and they wouldn't even ask you. They'd fucking throw dirt on your floor. Throw it in there. They would, I swore to God. They'd throw dirt and they'd say, don't worry. Don't worry, I'm gonna clean your floors for you for free.

And then, and now later on, they would ask you for permission. And then what they would do is they would have you grab your vacuum, you get your vacuum and you vacuum it up. Oh, I can't hear you contrast. Then they use their vacuum be like, and then the water and the vacuum or whatever would get all dirty be like, look how much you missed. contrast? Then they use their vacuum be like, and then the water in the vacuum or whatever get all dirty be like, look how much you missed.

Hold on a sec, get your minivan and run this over. Yeah, still intact. Okay. Why is it that all is infomercial? When it runs shit over with the pipe. They always run it over, they explode it, they drive it off a cliff. It still works. It still is doing this indestructible.

It's running over a vacuum. They're like, this guy guys like a blowtorch. Yeah, it still works. Wow, that's a badass factor. I don't know, I thought that was really, I thought that was funny. It's okay, I have two things that I thought were kind of neat right there.

Do you know the fuller brush guy? The fuller brush guy, there would be people go around door to door and they would sell like brushes and spatulas and things like that. Oh, no, I don't remember that. No, when you were a young student, there's two big, the two big hardcore sales people,

I remember in the 80s were rainbow vacuums and world book. Oh, the encyclopedia. The encyclopedia's were like, we had all of them, yeah. I'll sure, yeah. I still have them. I think my mom has all of them too. So we had taught on the child books and world books.

Yeah, so we had taught on the child books and world books. Yeah, so we had two, three big bookshelves filled with encyclopedias that my mom pay expensive, right, a lot of money for. Yeah. And then every year they would send a new one because it would be a review of the previous year. Yeah.

I used to sit down. I mean, I know I've told this before. It's sit down and I take a letter, you know, like, you know, B through D and I'd sit down and I'd just read the encyclopedian just learn random shit about. So it was so cool. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, the kids version of it,

I don't know if that's the one you started on or not, but the kid ones were cool. They had like pictures and examples. I had the snoopy ones when I was real kid. So I was like seven or eight. I would read the snoopy encyclopedia. But those door-to-door salespeople, I vividly remember like how aggressive

they were and how often they would come around, you know, and eventually we already have it. We have a window. We need a second one. They were closer. But I got to say right now, the brain blend from Ned is fire. Fire. That was whoever helped them come up with the point of painting the next time I see my hands on it, you opportunity to stroke himself. I know. No, it's, listen. Who's behind you? I don't know, whoever advised that.

No, I, so I got the ingredients right here. So a single serving or a dropper full is 12.5 milligrams of CBD, 12.5 milligrams of CBG, which has got brain boosting effects. And then there's other cannabinoids. It's the gangster version. Then it also has Ginkgo. So Ginkgo helps with blood flow to the brain.

Go to cola, which is a mild stimulant, but copa, which also does blood flow to the brain. Siberian ginseng, it's got brain health effects. It's also kind of a mild adapted gin. Lions main, we know that as well as being another neutropic. Anyway, fire, you take this, I swear to God, people listening right now. You got some creative, or you gotta go to a party,

take it before you go to a party and watch what happens. Watch the crowd form in front of you. You'll be able to just tell them things you learn in a psychotic video. All day. That's crazy. That's never happened. You just hold court like you mean, it's weird. That actually never happened. You just hold court like me.

It's weird. That actually happened once. Doug and I went to this internet marketing convention years when we first started with Matt Stonabolic and we went to this party and I remember at one point I started talking about, I don't remember what I was talking about supplements and there was like, people were kind of coming around sitting around and dugs in the back smiling. He's like, yeah, we're going to make it. He does like no one would make millions of this guy.

I just put a quarter in him and turn him on. I'm gonna, yeah. It's a good stuff. Anyway, all right, so we have to talk about Andrew Tate. Oh, Andrew Tate. Yesterday, so he was on, hold on, he was on. Wait, wait, wait, I can just take him. I can just sit at the table.

I brought it to you, it's only fair. It's only fair. Well, actually, then let me back up. Andrew brought Andrew T Andrew to me first. So about three weeks ago, or YouTube producer, Andrew goes, hey, we should get Andrew Tate on the show. And I'm like, who the fuck is that?

I don't know who he is at this time. Oh, it was a long time ago. Yeah, so this is like a month ago or so. And he's like, yeah, you should check him out. And so I started going through his clip. Okay, and honestly, God, my response was, yeah, this should you should check him out. And so I started going through a clip. Okay, and honestly, God my response was Yeah, this is not somebody I want to show and I and I'd only probably consume some of his reels and TikToks and things like that But you know how the algorithms work once I clicked on some of his stuff now I'm getting fed all this stuff

So eventually I go down the rabbit hole watch a few things He says a few things that I agree with. I'm like, okay, maybe I'll listen to this guy a little bit So eventually I end up listening to a few interviews and I actually end up liking a lot of his content, but I know he's extremely controversial. So now I become interested in what he has to say. I know Patrick Bat David has a big interview. I believe, and I don't know if this is public knowledge if I can share this or not, but I won't say where it came from. So I'm going to go ahead and share it. So I heard that a PBD paid him a quarter million to a half a million dollars for that interview.

So, I think they met in Miami and they had this because it entertains like all over the place. They met and had like a five hour interview. Now I'm not all the way through, but I'm like three something hours into it. And I was really, cause Sound I got into an argument about him. Very argument. Yeah, it kind of started and I kind of have the same perception that

Sal had going into it. The perception out there is that they take little clips of what he's been saying and he sounds very misogynistic, he sounds very arrogant. Yeah, exactly, very boisterous. So immediately too, you guys know this. Anybody that's charismatic and is that confident, I usually try and cut him down right away. So that's, I was like, I don't know,

but I started to kind of watch into the content to get a little better understanding of what message he's putting out. Well, I mean, make no mistake, he is an Eagle maniac. He is 100%. And he definitely comes across as a douchebag in an asshole. So that's, make no mistake. He is an ego maniac. He is a hundred percent. And he definitely comes across as a douchebag in an asshole. That's make no mistake. I think that's, I don't think anybody can argue that right? I don't think any of us would argue that, but what I mean, not somebody

I would like, but what I will say towards that is all four of us in this room were rated high on the narcissistic test. And ego is also a, it's not a purely negative thing. Their ego is a very positive thing too. Oh yeah, you know, but his, his, his, his definitely, I don't know the guy personally, his definitely comes across as dysfunctional. There's a dysfunctional level narcissism, and he definitely comes across that way. But here's the thing that I came up,

because I'm watching it, and I've seen some of his content, I don't like the guy, but here's what I'm gonna say, and this is where I think things get interesting. I think right now, and this happened with former president Donald Trump too. There's a shell game that's being played with us. And here's what the game is. The game is that somebody gets kicked off the internet,

okay, and we'll get to that, okay, what happened to Andrew Tate, same thing that happened to Donald Trump. And then the narrative that gets promoted is, did he deserve it? Is he a good guy? Is he a bad guy? And everybody argues in debates about that. Oh, Donald Trump deserves to be on social media. Other people know he stoked the flames of the January 6th insurrection. Oh, he's this. Oh, he's that same thing with Andrew Tate. No, he's good. He says the truth.

No, he's an asshole. He's misogynistic. He's back and forth. This is not the conversation. This is a shell game. Here's the conversation. How in the hell, how in the hell did all of these extremely competitive big tech companies who otherwise kill each other for followers and money? Literally meta would crush Twitter if they could. They would crush all these other social media platforms. YouTube, they fight over audiences. Concepts, they are extremely compelling one of the most competitive markets in the world. How did all of them, and it turns out much more,

Uber, Stripe, Gmail, how did all these tech companies that compete so aggressively simultaneously? You raised someone off the other side. So I'm glad you went that way. Yeah, that's the conversation door for me to to concede our previous argument. Okay, so I think I gave you shit and Justin's shit with your 10 foil hats. Good conspiracy, which is that they're just paying attention that the government's out to do all stuff. But after listening to how coordinated that was, and all these other companies, I mean,

you know, you know, there's no rhyme or reason to it other than, yeah, there's no reason to it other than, yeah. Well, I mean, it's orchestrated. So my thought, the way I argued it last time was like, you don't think that a couple of these tech guys got it, but you're talking about, bank accounts you're talking about, Uber,

bank account, Gmail, now that's, that is way too coordinated now. I mean, I was diving into this content because I'm like, what is so dangerous about this individual that has government and has like a big companies so threatened by this guy? Yeah, well, there's two things that you need

to understand before we continue with this because someone listening is like, what's that doesn't make sense? And I talked to my son about this, because someone listening is like, what's, that doesn't make sense. And I talked to my son about this, because my son's in the age group of kids that listen to this guy, my son's not a fan. But I said, hey, I want you to listen to his interview and this specific part about all the things

that kicked him off. And so him and I got into the discussion. And he's like, Dad, why would government care, how can they do that? That's not legal. Okay, here's the deal. Post 9-11, this is true. We passed legislation.

Look at the Patriot Act and look at the National Defense Authorization Act. Those are two more specific ones, but there's more legislation after that. But those two specific ones that were passed post 9-11 allow, give the power to the government. To literally, if they think you're a threat to national security, they don't have to go to a judge, a threat to national security, they don't

have to go to a judge, a trial, a jury, they don't have to get a warrant. They could they could they could go through your stuff. They could go through a house. In fact, in fact, in fact, non-defense, the National Defense Authorization Act allows the government in writing they could come to you, throw you in jail in Guantanamo Bay, tell no one and keep you there forever, no judge, no trial, no jury. That's in the legislation. So, this legislation gives the power of the government if they view someone as a national

security threat, then what they could do is they could go to these companies, compel them. And maybe they don't go to these companies and say, you better do this or we're going to whatever. And maybe they don't go to these companies and say, you better do this or we're gonna whatever, but maybe you're the CEO of YouTube and the head of the CIA shows up, or FBI. It says, hey, you know, we think this guy's a national security threat. We really advise that you guys kick him off

and we want you to do it on this date. We think it's a good idea. Now if you're the CEO and you're getting visited by the CIA, you're probably gonna be like, either A, you believe them, you're like, I wanna help, or B, you're like, I better fucking do what they say. And if you don't visited by the CIA, you're probably gonna be like, either, A, you believe them, you're like, I wanna help, or B, you're like, I better fucking do what they say. And if you don't do what they say, what can potentially follow,

you're the target now. Not only be a target, but they can say, hey, by the way, we could find you, we could shut you down, and we could also deny it, and you can't take us to court. This is in legislation, this is law of the land. So I think that's what happened, because never in history, Zuckerberg described. He said the land. So I think that's what happened because no way, never in history. Zuckerberg described. He said the same. He said it. Never in history. You have competing

companies in a free market. Yeah, it's what. So readily left money on the table. Because if you're, look, if you're YouTube and Meta kicks Andrew Tadeff and this is the most search man on the internet and your YouTube, I, if I'm the CEO of YouTube, I'm like, hell yeah. Now all those people are gonna come over here. He's gonna make so much more money. We're gonna make so much more money. This is gonna be great. But no, they all did this simultaneously.

Yeah. And instead, what we're arguing over is, is he a good guy, is he a bad guy, is he whatever? I don't give a shit what he says. He has a right to say it. And yes, these are private companies. And so essentially what's happened is because of that legislation,

the government now can impose tyranny by proxy, they basically scorted the Constitution because they can't do it themselves. The government can't silence you, right? But the government can use a private company and the private company can do it. And then you could try to see the company and have this. The irony of all of this is that, and you brought this up off air yesterday, and I 100% agree with this, is you actually, and this is where the government is stupid, is you just made him more powerful.

He literally went to rumble. He's a martyr now. He went to rumble, and what took him five to seven years to build a following on YouTube, he almost already surpassed that. He definitely has more eyes on him on Rumble, because he was being shadow-banned forever. He's like one of his, so it was still growing, right? Just spike that.

He goes over to Rumble, blows up immediately, and has way more eyeballs on him than he had before. And now everybody is seeking him. Now all the stuff in my Explorer page, so even though his Instagram is a lot more. Other people are posting stuff. Anybody that's So even though his Instagram is other people are posting Anybody that's posting stuff of his stuff is going viral all over the place And so they literally just made if they're if your desired outcome was to shoot him down and hurt him and like shut him up

Like you literally just gave this guy what you've done is you've taken his base of fans look at Donald Trump for example Right, man, a miracle wait And then what happened Donald Trump was crazy. He got simultaneously kicked off all platforms, got picked up by another platform called Parler, who's like, we're gonna have you on. And then what they did is the servers that hosted Parler kicked them off. And the app companies kicked them off.

That was very strange. When that all happened, I was like, oh my gosh, this isn't good. But what happened to Donald Trump's most hardcore, his base, they became more so entrenched with it. Because now he's this savior, everyone's against him, you know, all these people in Andrew Tate, see, he's right about the matrix,

how he talks about the matrix. He's right. He's right. After all these things happen, so it's such a stupid, what you need to do is let him do his thing and then have people debate him. Have people do their own. And then if you break ideas, it's, yeah, it's a thing.

We need that competition of ideas and be able to have discord and discuss these things. And if you, and if you breaks a lot of them, go after them. If he does incite violence or he does do something like slander or whatever, there's a lot. This is the danger of censorship. I felt it was, what I was really, and how we got into such a

heat about why I was passionately defending his character, even though I don't really truly know the guy was, because I went through the same story arc, I feel like that you both went through, I just went through it first where I felt the same way. I didn't like him at first, but then I also had to check myself and go like, you know what, I've been mainly consuming his content in 90-second bits, 15-second bits. Out of context. Yeah, out of context. And I haven't truly listened to this guy, 15 second bits. Out of context. Out of context.

And I haven't truly listened to this guy, explain his points and these misogynistic comments that he's making. And in the Patrick Bad David interview, he does that. And he addresses every single thing. Like Patrick Bad David was great. Literally wrote every quote that he's been destroyed for. What he does, that's, I think, is bad. The reason why I don't like him.

And I have, I have only heard maybe, well now I've heard probably five hours of his content. So I listen to two hours of the interview and I listen to maybe two or three hours of other stuff. What he does that I think is bad is the way he communicates how he comes across, the way he presents masculinity, which is machismo,

this like loud and out there, bravado, which is not real masculine confidence. Like if you've ever met a really confident man, they're secure, they're not allowed with the bar. Yeah, they're not the loud ones with the bar being in their chest and telling you, they're the one that's cool. I've hung out with people like that.

I had a buddy who was an MMA fighter and I remember somebody trying to throw a drink on him and he was so cool about it. And I remember being like, man, what a confident guy, because in his defense on that, he actually gets into that towards about the three hour mark of the interview. And it's probably how he grew up.

I'm sure that's part of it. Well, yeah, I mean, there's definitely a dozen to hack. He does a lot of a lot of the stuff he says and does. He knows he's kind of fucking with people because he knows he's getting their head. He's making them emotional and he's like, that's the way that he's playing chess with them. And then, but okay, that doesn't justify completely

and it still doesn't combat your point. But what I do understand a little bit or I think I, or where I'm defending him now, is that he has had become aware of that in the, in just recent time in the last few months and he said, you know, leading up to my, I'm trying to change it. Yeah, he says, and leading up to the last three months

before I was banned, my team and I were sitting down and we were taking that into consideration. Even though this strategically, this is smart for me to do all of this, so that I'm also impacting a 15 year old boy that may be consuming this content in such a short form that he's gonna take that the wrong way, and that is not my desire to.

See, that's how I put myself in that, and I'm proud because my son is that target audience of his and my son doesn't like him for the same exact reason. It's a very impressionable demograph. And that's because my son has a good relationship with me, so I'm a good, I think that's what I would guess, and I'm a good, a better example of that. Now, if I were a 15 year old, 16 year old boy, I don't have a good male role model. I grew up really hard. Oh, 100, I know, I would be, I would look at this guy.

100% is why I'm John Tiring. Yeah. I didn't have a, I didn't have a dad role figure like that in my life. And I have that edge to me as a kid. And if you, if I was, so I can identify with, yeah, so I can totally identify with him. I was 12 years old. I would be drawn to that. And if you, if I was, so you can identify with that. Yeah. So I can totally identify with them as 12 years old. I would be drawn to that. I would totally, I could totally say it. And you're 100% spot on. The answer to someone as Andrew Tate, if you don't like the way he's delivering that message, because I don't disagree with a lot of things he says, is to be a better father, to be a better

role model, you know, to take the things that he's saying and be able to deliver to your son. That's not one masculine idea. Right. Right. No, Right, right. Now, and look, some of the stuff he says is wrong, by the way. He said something about women being worst drivers and then what's his name said? Well, you know, they get less action.

Well, because men drive more. That's not true. Insurance companies do a really good job of calculating risk and men get into more fatal and more terrible accidents because more bigger risk takers. So he tends to go wrong because he wants so hard to defend men all the time. But here's another underlying part of this. Besides the most important part,

what I think is we all, all of us need to be very alarmed that they could erase someone from the internet from these private companies and they can do so seemingly with impunity. That's a very dangerous precedent. That means that they could direct speech and silence speech and the most important freedom. That means that they could direct speech and silence speech

and the most important freedom that we have that's protected a speech. That's my strongest opinion. And I think that's the opinion of a lot of people who are experts on this. But what I think about the guy in this particular sense is I think he's a reaction. I think his popularity, the reason why he's popular

is because a lot of these kids, a lot of these boys, especially these boys without good male role models, keep hearing about how their masculinity is toxic. They keep hearing about how they're privileged if they're white, even though, I don't have parents and I'm poor, I keep being told, they keep being told how men are this, men are that, you're this, and men don't have a role in society like they did in the past where men had kind of clear defined roles.

Not saying that's a bad thing, it's just you're kind of trying to find yourself. And so it's like, it's a reaction, like I'm being told that I'm toxic, I keep being told I'm privileged, I don't feel privileged. I keep being told all these things. And then here's this guy on there telling you, you're great, pick yourself up, bust your ass, stop crying, be a man, whatever. And it's a very appealing message because it's on the opposite side and it makes you feel more empowered. It makes you feel strong.

The part that the inner struggle that I have with like, you know, coming out with like a decision on, how do I feel about this guy, right? Like how do I feel about his content? How do I feel about his content? And he went in pretty hard on Logan Paul. Well, actually, I've speak positively about, like, I think, Logan. His points on Logan were on point though.

They were very on point. And it actually made me think a little bit. Who is better for our society, gaining all this attention and stuff like that, is Andrew Tate or Logan Paul better for my teenage, like, my boy's not a teenager yet, but if he was a teenage boy, would I be more concerned about him,

like a massive Logan Paul follower and paying attention to all this stuff, or would I be more concerned about him? Wow, that's a good point. Think about that for a second. Yeah, because I feel like it would start great conversations. I think it would challenge maybe some of your sons' beliefs or, but whereas Logan Paul's like entertainment at goofy, you know, you follow follow the whatever the norm

You know wherever the wind blows he didn't stand up for anything that he believes in flip flops on some of the stuff He said in the past like man I and I think I would rather Have someone like Andrew Tate who's delivering a message that I agree with a good percentage of it, but I don't agree with the way he's delivering it. And then I can have that deeper conversation with my son like, well, son, there's some things that he's saying that are true and I like,

but you don't wanna come off this way for these reasons. And then be a versus him just blindly following some kid who's an entertainer. What it is is, and we talk about this all the time, it's not just what you're trying to communicate, but it's also how you communicate it. And how you communicate it makes a big deal. For example, he talked about,

and this is a very, you know, for sensitive listeners. I mean, this is this actually happened. He got in debate with a feminist, and the feminist was like, we need to teach men not to rape, and he's like, men know not to rape. We need to teach women how to stay safe or be more responsible.

And then he uses the example of like, you know, if a woman is in a dark alley late at night and then she gets assaulted, she bears some responsibility because she put herself in that situation. Now the way he communicates it was shitty. Well, and it comes across really bad. In that context, yes.

Yes, he went in deep on that. I know, but my point is the way he tends to communicate it when he goes off. Yeah, yeah. And the way I would communicate to my daughter is I'd say, hey, you need to be safe, be aware, but I wouldn't be like, if something happened or like, you've been sponsored.

Because I, I, I, he goes, he got later, I don't remember how far deep into that, because they actually touch on that twice. Like he briefly went over it. Yeah. And when he was going over the list, and then later on, he goes, I really want to address that, because it's one of the ones over the list and then later on he goes, I really wanna address that because it's one of the ones that bothered me the most

because how passionate he says I feel about women and stuff and what he does for that community. He goes, first of all, I intentionally did that because it was a feminist, right? So I wanted to rattle her cage. I knew that would emotionally fucking bomb in her head, right? So he did that intentionally to rattle her cage and then he goes on to explain in like great detail

on what he means by that and I and I and I I agree with them like the specimen. Yeah. Yeah, I said to me in the messaging that he's trying to teach It's not it's not at all to say he thinks it's a more dangerous message to be teaching women that like you should be able to walk around Naked all you want and actually think that there's not gonna be stupid men that will always be around I think you would never want to teach your dog. The most effective thing you can do, in my opinion, the most effective thing you could do is to teach men to protect women in situations like that. I think that's smart.

And I think to teach young women, hey, here's situations you probably shouldn't be in. Or here's a, if you go out, take a friend if you're going to go on a date With a guy that you met on Tinder or on a dating app tell your friends where you're gonna be at share your location Communicate to them. What's going on? Let them know what car he's driving like that kind of stuff I think it's or carry a gun if there if you live in a state where you could you can see or carry or His point that I think is so is so true is like, man, I'm not going to tell my daughter that, oh, it's, you know, let me, I'm going to get out there

and I'm going to make sure I get messaging around to tell these guys that, you know, to be better. Like he goes, that's, there's no world that exists like that where there's going to be perfect men that respect that. There's always going to be evil and bad and all this and that. So I'm going to, I'm going to educate my daughter on being saved. Totally smart and do this. And right now that's not

the messaging. The messaging is she should be able to do whatever she wants and men need to not do it. And it's like, that's a danger. He goes, that's more dangerous than what I'm trying to say. Right. So I have a friend. This is true. This is a true story. I have a friend whose daughter had just turned 21 and he was very good about this. He would teach his daughter, watch out for this, watch out for that, make sure you're in these situations, make sure you're not in these situations. And he taught her, this was years ago, he said, never leave your drink at the bar unattended. Keep your hand on top of it at all times. Say the cardinal rule. Okay. So she was doing that. So she was very safe about it. Her friend

wasn't because she was saying, I'm 21 and oh, I'm having fun or whatever. So she was doing that. So she was very safe about it. Her friend wasn't, because she was saying, I'm 21 and, oh, I'm having fun with her. And she saw a guy slip something in her drink. She actually caught that. She caught that. We're often, then people realize. Yes, yes, it's a real problem. It's a, I mean, thankfully, because he taught his daughter this.

And of course, you gotta be careful. You don't want your kid to walk around scared of life. But you just make them aware and say, hey, just keep your hand on your drink. And I think this idea of us shaming the guys that are doing evil and bad things like that is a losing battle Yeah, good luck. They don't give a shit no evil people and even if you improve that by all the messaging all the shaming Oh, you're never gonna eliminate it if you want to do something to them. I think Sexual assault violence

something to them, I think sexual assault violence against other people should be the most the worst punishable offenses in the law. I think it's crazy that someone get caught carrying you know, you know, 15 hits of acid in particular states will get more time than a guy that physically assaults a woman. I think that's insane. I think if you physically assault someone or sexual assault, it should be the biggest punishment. My fault. Especially if you're in a position of power. Yeah, especially. Oh, yeah. That's controversial. I know.

Actually, did you hear him break down the his whole because he's one of the things he gets in trouble for is saying that he'd rather live in a lawless place like Romania? That one I disagree with. I know where his point was and how he plays out. No, I totally don't disagree with that. I totally think that's a great point. No.

You know, what do you... I know because my, you know, Sicily in my parents' generation and my grandparents' generation disagree with that. I totally think that's a great point. No. You know, what do you, I know because my, you know, Sicily and my parents' generation and my grandparents' generation was like that. And it's not, you don't want to live in a place like that. I know what he said. He said in a place like that, where corruption is more available to the masses than he said.

But the reality is that people with more money still have more power. They still have the corrupt. Okay, so he clarifies that, like as who he is and he's setting his... Maybe for him, because he's a hundred millionaire. And so he can pay off, you know, he can pull over and have alcohol on his breath. He can easily drop $10,000 to the cop, you know, and be... And cop will let him go.

So, yes, I agree. If you're a normal person, I would not, I would want to live in a more protected, but if I'm at his level where I've got private jets and I can see his point. So yes, I agree. If you're a normal person, I would want to live in a more protected, but if I'm at his level, where I've got private jets, I can see his point. Yeah, yeah. So I don't disagree with that. I mean, I think it's a fair point to make.

Yeah, I could totally say that. Anyway, I want to hear what you were going to say about Ty Cobb in his dentures. Yes. Ty Cobb's dentures. Now, was he the first baseball card? Was he the most valuable baseball card? He's the most valuable.

I don't know if he's the most valuable. I thought he was the most valuable baseball card? Zee's the most valuable. I don't know if he's the most valuable. I thought he was the most valuable baseball card. I'm Mickey Mantle's card. It might be more in the big question. I don't know. I think Mickey Mantle's baseball card is one of the most expensive. Yeah, maybe Doug Cullic up the most.

Ty Cobb is up there. 100%. Yeah, he was the first big baseball star, right? Yeah, yeah, he's up. Boy, you're gonna challenge me on like exact year and stuff like that, everybody is. And who came first. I couldn't tell you that But anyways, yes, yes famous absolutely famous baseball player his dentures were just auctioned off for 18,000 dollars I just wow

Who wants those? I know if you're a hardcore baseball fan. This is so weird This is not the new baseball though. You know, like to me, that's where the sense of fandom is like dude calm down. Like what are you gonna get like, you know, his underwear or something like. Like how personal do you need to get to these like sports stars? And not only that dude doesn't even display well.

Like I so I'm guilty. I'm guilty of like, you know, sign jerseys and stuff like that hanging up in my, but I mean that looks cool on the wall. You know what I'm saying? It's decorative. It sign jerseys and stuff like that hanging up in my, but I mean, that looks cool on the wall. You know what I'm saying? It's decorative. It's not like Dennis Robbins and Saul. Yeah, that's the thing.

It's a sock. You know, Mike Tyson's a Q-tip. So Mickey Mantle is the most expensive, right? Oh, it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a record. What was Ty Cobbs for? And actually, let's look up Ty Cobb.

When did he play? Was it the, it was in the early 1900s? Wow. You know what's crazy about baseball back then? I don't know how huge, obviously I don't know a lot about sports, but I do know this. Back in those days, those guys smoked and drank, they drank, they didn't really crack.

Yeah, they didn't work out. Well remember, they're professional sports back then, you couldn't make any money doing it. So everybody's still, you gotta, it's like a pick up game. It's like, guys, it would be like us playing a softball. You still have a real job. I everybody drinks smokes and plays softball. So like you don't you didn't take it seriously like a

profession, you know? Wow. Okay. So he was a wow, look at that. He hit three 20 or better for 22 consecutive seasons. That's pretty damn good. That's crazy. So Ty Cobb is is actually quite a bit before him. Oh, I should have known he was he was 1907 and 1915. I didn't realize how far crazy. So, Ty Cobb is actually quite a bit before him. Oh, yeah. He was, he was, he was, 1907 and 1915. I didn't realize how far before him. So, um, wow. So, okay. So, with football back in the days, did each player play both offense and defense? Was that originally how it was played?

Yes. Yeah. Would they call it Iron Man or, I mean, making up a word, what's the word for that kind of style of football? Um, I don't know about that. Both ways, as you say. Yeah, I play both ways. High school, they still do that. Both football? Um, I don't know about that. Both ways. Yeah, you say that. Yeah, I play both.

High school, you still do that. Both ways, but like in high school, that's still called. Wow. Yeah, like I don't know if you have a player that do that. Oh, yeah. Only have like 23 guys. Yeah, so in high school, in high school, that's still really hard. That's still really hard.

In high school, you go, you play multiple games. That's when you're really deployed is. Yeah, your program's really depleted and you only have so many people. Yeah, I'm not. It's not to college. College to college colleges when you yeah I played both ways for a while I was my JV year and that exhausting I didn't know that oh yeah dude it was brutal would you play an offense I played I played guard a little bit of you did guard yeah really yeah I hated it I didn't like anything about offense so they never really put you know I hit people yeah I see offense, so they never really put this way. You just wanna hit people. Yeah, they just hit people. And so like during practice for the most part,

I would like wait and then they'd finally let me just be on Scout D and I'd go against the first team offense and bang them up, you know, because it was just, I don't know why, but it just for some reason, I was only there literally to hit people. I always just had this like, You're like, I don't wanna always play and cause and fucking stuff.

Yeah, I'm like, it's just fancy. Just them found their last. Just tell me who to hit. Yeah, how can I smash the water boy out there? Yeah, just run as hard as I could and smash the face. Wow. Hey, did you guys hear, do you guys know who Bill Pearl is? Powerlifter guy.

No, bodybuilder. Doug, look. Oh, right. So I want you guys to look at this bodybuilder because he was, this was before. Didn't he the one with the, the, the round barbell? No, no, no, no, you're thinking Eugene Soundow. Oh, right. So I want you guys to look at this body builder because he was, this was before. Isn't he the one with the round barbell? No, no, no, no, you're thinking Eugene Soundau. Okay, so Bill Pearl was one of the body builders

that inspired Arnold Schwarzenegger. Was he a black guy? That's how, no, Native American and white. Okay, so look at some of his old pictures, Doug, where he's flexing that one in the middle there in color. That one on the very left is when he was in his 50s. But look at the size of this guy back in. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Yeah. But there was a color picture that you could really see that one right there. He looks incredible. The that middle that middle one right there. Okay. So there's waste in his chest and shoulder. Yes.

What years was he bodybuilding? 1975. No, no, no, no. He was, I mean, he was in the 70s when he was older, but I'm talking about during his prime, when that one right there, look, go down. Keep going, there you go on the very left. I mean, look at this guy, he was a beat, 1967,

so that's towards the end of his career. So 50s and 60s was Bill Pearl, and this is when, I mean, they either took a little bit of steroids or no steroids, 20 something in charms. I mean, this guy was in crep- so strong, I think he was one of the first bodybuilders bench press. I want to say 500 pounds.

Anyway, he just passed away, 91 years old. Oh, he did. Yeah, 91, huh? 91, that's a total icon. This is like a big time bodybuilding icon, one of the greatest of the- So when you see someone like that, and he made it all the way to 91,

probably relatively healthy, dude. I think you died of Parkinson's actually oh yeah so do you think a lot of these early deaths that we see in in bodybuild you think a lot of it's contributed to all the drug to the ones that you start to see because you don't see that with bodybuilders from you don't see that from bodybuilders up until the 80s. It was when they got to the 90s. We have more 80s and 90s guys dying, or more 90s in 2000 guys dying, then we have like 70s and 80s. Yeah, it's like guys from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, typically make it to their late 70s, early 80s, or beyond. The 90s is when it got really crazy with the drugs and stuff,

so I have to assume that's probably a lot more important. Now what people like, what's his name? Derek from More Place More Dates, I really like a lot drugs and stuff. So I have to assume that's probably a one. Now, what people like, what's his name? Derek from more place, more dates. I really like a lot of this content. He tends to defend the anabolic and would probably say that it's less due to the actual anabolic and more due to just the stress on the organs.

Fourcing the body to grow. Probably, I mean, but that's an effect that they're looking for. It could be, but they don't just use anabolic steroids. No, they're using all kinds of different insulin, all kinds of different stuff. But I mean, we've got a lot of stuff on that, and I feel like it's less about the drugs and it's more about the size of the body.

It's almost like you're making your body and pressing it instead of recovering. Yeah, think about the food you have to eat and how much to push your body. Yeah, it is interesting. I don't know, because we have zero studies on those doses of antibiotics. We have the highest dose study that we have

was on testosterone and it went up as high as 600 milligrams, which is, that's like a decent, oh yeah, that's a big dose. You know, that's a decent body is a, that's like a decent, oh yeah, that's a big dose. You know, that's a decent body builder beginner, that's not a pro body builder dose, but like a beginner, you know, what a guy may take when he first starts or whatever is body builder.

And in that, they showed it was pretty safe, but these guys are taking all kinds of other shit, not just testosterone, but a bunch of other things. So this isn't, this is old news, but it's not like old, cool sports news or anything, but you guys remember the sex tape from Kim Kardashian back in the day, like with, with what's his name, Ray Jay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I guess you came out in the news recently and was like, he's talking about Chris, I guess is her mom that he was saying that she had to have gone through and watched multiple sex days between them to decide which one to leak and then, so she was part of it. So she was part of it? Yes.

Does he have evidence? And this is because this is all in the period. She wasn't really well-known. She was like kind of like Paraselt and Sidekick back in there because you brought her up the other day and how this billionaire, she's just crushing. But that's what she got her start. But that's like how she got her start

was like the notoriety, because Ray Jay's a big name back then, I guess. Well, wasn't there like a little moment there where a lot like actor Paris Hilton, some of that, where people saw that as a strategy, both Paris Hilton, Kamala Anderson, and I mean, a lot of people became famous after their sixth tape. Wasn't that kind of like a,

I think she probably started that trend, right? Yeah, like I thought I heard that. It's not working though, right? I think we're big. I think that's sick of it. I don't go and has a sex tape, that's all. Yeah, I, no, they're screeching. It was all hit.

I watched it. It was all, I'm scared of it. It was all hit. Can you imagine? It's so big. No. I mean, there was like a good like 10-year run. There was.

That was like part of the formula was like, go ahead and leak one of your sex tapes and you'll be embarrassed for a week but then it'll get you all this. So the story is that the mom did it on purpose to get her daughter, her star. Oh my god, twisted would you? Well, like creeping your mom's like going through,

like I don't know, this one's not good lighting. Like, there's rude, the mom is excited enough. Shrewd business person. And you could tell that's like one of our main values, right? So, would she do that? I feel like I'm not surprised by it. I don't know if she's a business genius. Oh, really?

She managed to manage all the kids. She's like, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. I haven't watched a whole Kardashian show. You don't have to watch, I don't. You don't. Like, I've seen clips. That's all I need.

Don't lie. He's a big whomy. You never watch it. What's all her name? So huh? I don't you know my wife watch I don't know my wife loves easy default right there. I never watch I leave room I leave the room I Dishes yeah, no, I don't care. Listen. I would say if I watch it. I don't care But but I do know through my wife because she knows everything about them She loves them is the the mom manages them, and it's like huge. Oh, you know what?

It's like the business genius. You guys just reminded me of something I actually didn't even have in my notes. Doug, could you help me out here? There is a Netflix show, it's brand new, it's real estate. Basically, they are completely ripping off of the sharks, shark tank. Oh yeah.

It's real estate. So it's with real estate. So they, and they have four real estate moguls. Okay. And it's literally a bite off a shark tank. They sit them up where there's all four like that. They, they pre-interview the home seller. And then the home seller comes in. And then they basically are bidding on the house.

You know, they have a number they want. They go back for it. They set up for them. Oh, I'm by my house. Dude, so not selling sunsets. No, it's said buy my house. Yeah, buy my house. Okay.

Where'd you see it? It was when Doug, when you went off images, Doug. Yeah, yeah, it's buy my house. So you have to present your house to them and then they give you offers on it? Yes, yes. So really cool show. Okay, first of all, it's not as good as Shark Tank.

I like Shark Tank better from, but because I'm so into the real estate game right now, what I love about it is they actually, obviously they have curated some of the better areas for investment properties because these are all real estate investors. There's a CEO of RedFin, there's like an XNFL guy, and then there's like these two girls

that are both like big powerhouse investors, and they basically go back and forth. They're trying through the cheesy, you know, talking shit to each other, like Shark Tank and all that stuff like that. But what's really good is they actually take homes in these areas that I've already researched. So I'm digging that.

Oh, so you can, but now the price is what you would, like, seeing that market, or are they doing? Totally. I mean, what I love to do, like Katrina was watching it with me and so I Be that house is 740 and see how close I am like I've been like almost dead on really yeah How bad do you want to be on a show like I do So it's cool. So if you're into that stuff I I enjoy that I enjoy and there's a couple areas now that have actually prompted me to go and do more research on because they weren't on my radar.

So some of these little towns, I had already been on the pulse of that and already looking up stuff for us, but then other ones popped up and I'm like, oh, this is cool, so now I can find some. Oh, hey, I wanna ask you, do you give Max the Paleo Valley meat sticks? Does he eat those? I have, I have.

Oh, okay. Yeah, we're all out though, we haven't had any, they haven't sent us in a while. So it's one of the few, I mean, products or supplements or whatever that we have food products my kids fight over yeah They they're not home to my kids all the time. They love the garlic ones those those purple ones. Yeah, both my daughter and my son Yeah, fight over them and they take them and they take them to school So you know it max will actually eat the jalapeno once really my son likes like spicy that's that spicy I mean, yeah, but for a kid, for a kid.

You're right. If I see spicy, to my son, I mean, he's, I've shared my jalapeno chip with him. I've had like, Saracho on like my meals. Really? Yeah, I could treat you like, don't give it to him. Hold on, can treat him. Does it even like spicy food?

No, she doesn't. Does anyone in her family like spicy food? Uh, her mom a little bit. Yeah, her mom a little bit. I've tried this. I've tried the spicy sauce that Andrew brought and has in the back. No, he's like real Mexican, dude. That is like, I'm a little bit, yeah, her mom a little bit. I probably tried the spicy sauce that Andrew brought and has in the bag. He's like real Mexican dude.

I'm like, I'm part Mexican. Bro, that is some, that is not. He's too Mexican for me. That's hot dude. Yeah, they probably use like the real spicy peppers. It's good though, I love spiciness, but I don't love what it does to me. I don't like it to ruin my day.

Like I really like it. Like I like spicy, but I don't like to be like the rest, my nose to get runny from it. I don't mind that. It's like widow maker ones. I was watching a show where those peppers, yeah, those peppers, they have like weird hybrids now that they've made that are just so incredibly hot.

It's a badge of honor of you in a few moments. Have you seen the video where there's these two girls and they look like their Teenage girls no Please Don't ever look at it. Is that still on the internet? I have no idea. I look it up. Can you type that out? I refuse so so anyway, this these are these two girls that are like I don't like teenage girls And they think it's gonna be funny to eat these super hot, dangerous, I don't know if they have ghost peppers or whatever,

on camera and they're on camera, and then they start losing their shit and they start crying, when one of them runs out, the mom comes in, the camera still rolling. Mom comes in, why did you guys fucking do this? Ah! Ah! One of them before, throw it up,

the mom's like spraying water to face it. It's hilarious. Yeah, what it what is so isn't it milk? They say to drink in that. I heard it's a milk or you eat bread or milk no milk. It's a base, right? I think maybe I think milk is the I would figure Doug would know this. I thought I think milk. I heard that water is not good I think right. Do you know what milk does help if your eyes right? That's what they call some. Oh, yeah If your eye's burned from chlorine, milk solves that right away. Yeah, my son went on weird. My oldest went on a science camp. Like I actually drop it in. Yes, he went in the science camp and they were swimming in the pool.

I guess there's too much chlorine in there. And his eyes were so red and it's chieny. He's like, I can barely see it, whatever. And the counselor just poured milk in his eyes. And he said, it went away instantly. So, okay, so does that work then for regular red eyes? Like, if you have red eyes and he's like I can barely see it whatever. And the counselor just poured milk in his eyes. And it went away instantly. So okay, so does that work then for like regular like red eyes? Like if you have red eyes and you took like clear eyes.

I don't know, I think it has to do with chlorine. I'm not sure though. That's the next time I get red eyes. I just put just pour some milk in there. Yeah, yeah. It can I feel it? Every once in a while when I smell a little too much milk.

It's like that blood shot look. I'm like, oh my god, I'm so embarrassed. Hey, let's film Adam pouring milk on his face. Okay, Milka's face. I'll report back if it works or not. All right, one more thing that's that miss me slightly controversial. Sorry, Doug. I got to bring this up. Yeah. Okay, so you guys know Canada has a policy assisted suicide, right? So if you're super ill or whatever, it's legal there where the doctors will come and inject you with a lethal dose of anesthesia. Go to sleep, never wake up.

Now do you have to use senesia? Do you have to put that on like a will or whatever I think? I think you have to authorize. But check this out. There's no- It looks like the whole doctor of work in- He did that for a long time ago, right? So here's the new addition.

They now are extending this to mentally ill patients, which I think is terrible. Because if, imagine the amount of severely depressed people, who now are like, I can go and just fall asleep and never wake up and who are gonna take advantage of this particular system, I read that and I said, I can't believe they're gonna do assisted suicide for mentally ill.

That is scary. That's crazy. I had to let that sink in. Terrible. Yeah, I don't know where I sit on it, dude. Well, think about how many severely, I write away get what you're saying. I totally get it.

Look, I mean, I've seen people that are mentally ill that like have also come out of it and recovered. But at one point in their life, we're ready to take it on. I know somebody personally who didn't commit suicide because they were too afraid of the ways to commit suicide jumping off the building afraid of the ways to commit suicide, jumping off the building, shooting themselves.

It was that was the hard part. Had they had access to go to a hospital, lay down, put you to sleep, never wake up, they would have done it. Now this person's very happy, they're married, they're spiritual. Wow, interesting. Yeah, dude, it's kind of wild. I read about that the other day and I'm like,

I don't know if that's a good idea. Do you have a lot of controversy around it? Are you? Lots of controversy. A lot of controversy. So, I don't know, that's a good idea. You use there a lot of controversy around it? Lots of controversy. A lot of controversy. So I don't know, maybe they're trying to save money, you know? Dude.

Yeah, well, okay. Just kill them. And I mean, the thing is the explosion of depression and everything, you know, over the past couple of years, like it's to me, that's even more alarming to now provide that as an all-terrier option. Well, imagine this. I'll turn it.

Now, okay, so we're not gonna go too crazy this, but Canada is a state funded healthcare system. Okay, so the government pays it, people pay taxes into a government, covers it. And as hospitals over there are trying to not spend money. Okay, so you have patients in there, someone's depressed or whatever, they're taking up a hospital bed.

Maybe someone goes in there and says, hey, let's talk about some of your options. Oh my God, dude, that's so twisted. Do you see what I'm saying? That's so twisted. Because you need another bed to come in. You're like, you know, have you ever thought about just, here's some of the options you have.

I've tried a sucks for you when you think about it. It's your life, it's a decision you can totally make. That's so fucked up, bro. You know, and they're like, well, what's it gonna feel like? Oh, you go into a gentle sleep, and then you just, they're like selling it to them.

Oh my God. That's what I'm saying, man. Well, imagine if they a gentle sleep and then you just like selling it to them. Oh my god. That's what I'm saying, bro. Imagine if they actually get the hospitals, I'm not for that, oh. What if the hospitals get big money? What if the hospitals get like, like it cost insurance? Well, that's what that money, they do save

because now they're saving money on them. Well, they, not only that, because they rotate and get a new bed in, but what if they, it also the method cost $5,000 for insurance companies and your copay handles 100 or whatever. Well, over there, it's single-payer, no insurance.

The government covers it. So maybe they do get more from the same thing. You say the government pays the hospital $5,000 for the procedure or whatever inflated number they have. They open up a bed and they make money. Or the way I would think about it is they're looking at their medical costs. And they're like, we can't afford this medical cost.

People are waiting too long, it's single-payer, it's their medical costs and they're like, we can't afford this medical cost. People are waiting too long, it's single payer, it's maybe whatever. And they're like, here's a great way to cut some cost off of assisted suicides. A good marketing for a... I don't know. I don't know. That part is just all, that's part of the argument on one side of it. I just think that's crazy that you would mentally ill people, you'll do assisted suicide.

You know how many mentally ill people will kill themselves if it's that easy? Wow. I mean, it's a very moral, that's a moral issue. It's very problematic. Yeah. You know, I, I know we were trying to wrap this up, but I actually, since you went down the controversial thing and you just reminded me something that I didn't know, I just saw a tweet that Dr. Cabral did and it said that 75% of the FDA funding comes from some part of pharmaceutical

companies. Did you know that? Yeah. That's crazy. You know, you know, you know, a majority, we've brought that up before. Yeah. Yeah. A majority of the of people that work in the FDA used to work in the pharmaceutical industry. And vice versa. I did know that people working. I've seen charts of like the people that have the crossover like how controversial that is. There's a lot of crossover. So that's kind of problematic. I think, I know. We'll see what happens.

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Our first color is Charles from California. Charles, what's happening, man? How can we help you? I'm great, thank you guys for having me. And I just want to say that I really couldn't have discovered you guys without my girlfriend. So shout out to my girlfriend. She's been listening to you guys for over,

I think three and a half years now and forever changed. Just how I look at fitness. And so my first question is really about symmetry. I noticed that, for example, I think my body is out of symmetry and some of the clues that I've picked up lately was if I put on a specific type of shirt, I don't know exactly what kind of material it is, but I noticed that it would kind of, you know, go in one direction in the right side of my dominant body. And it kind of tells me that it's pulling there more.

Another part is probably when I'm in the middle of my workout and sometimes it would consciously feel the muscles kind of when I'm doing a barbell press, for example, no, I'm sorry, a barbell squats. And I would notice that my bright dominant side would activate more than my left side. And so my question then becomes like, how can I measure if I am out of symmetry and how can I improve on that moving forward? So Charles, first thing we're gonna need to do

is if you could send a nude picture to Sal, his phone number is 408, 765. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no's easy, actually, well, relatively easy. Unilateral training. Just start training one arm, one leg at a time. And this will tell you quite a bit. You'll be able to see right away which side is dominant, which side is more stability, which one has a great range of motion, which side is stronger.

That'll tell you right away. And I would do an entire focus workout plan on unilateral training. So map symmetry is a program that we have that does a lot of this. Most of the phases in map symmetry are unilateral and it's designed to help bring balance to people's body parts. And that balance does help people get stronger on bilateral exercises. So squats, deadlift, bench presses, overhead presses. When you balance things out, you feel more stable, you feel more secure, you tend to be able to lift more

weight. And that's way to measure this would just be your strength on it. Yeah. Strength stability, like I notice what I do, I can sometimes lift the same weight on both sides, but one side feels more stable than the other side. So there's still discrepancy there. Yeah. If you really do notice like a visible discrepancy, like that's, it's going to be even more glaring

once you move over to unilateral training, which is, it'll be great because once you get that and regain that stability and go back to those bilateral type of movements, it's going to impact it substantially. Yeah, so we'll send you a map symmetry. Do you have map symmetry, Charles? I don't. Okay, although it feels like your question was kind of trying to get that for free else then to tune in. While I mean, I take it, it was offered.

Go ahead, go ahead Charles. No, I was just going to say your other question is regards to, do I think the Warriors are going to win this year? And I absolutely, I think we're going to win another championship. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely, that's why I'm representing right now. So I'm also from the Bay. So my second question is really more out of curiosity. Lately, I've picked up just the ice bath,

the kind of routine. I looked at, he forgetting his name, ice man from YouTube. But yeah, and I immediately felt the difference. But number one, I'm not entirely sure when is the right time for me to use that or is that something I could just even practice on a weekly basis. And on top of that, it's like just the other side of cryotherapy, just out of curiosity, I don't know anything about it. Like what's your opinion on that?

So it's the two part question. If ice bath is gonna give you more significant results than cryotherapy in my opinion. Best time to use it, really it's the, you wanna look at it at the time's not to use it. I probably wouldn't do it right before going to bed and I probably wouldn't do it right after a workout. But before workouts or first thing in the morning

or times when you need some energy, perfectly fine. And you can do it frequently. We just got one not long ago. We're actually waiting for Justin to hurry up and fix it. You can't go in this as well. I mean, I've actually been driving me crazy. Because I actually want to do it every single day before we podcast.

So yeah, every day. I think there's tremendous benefits to you doing it every single day. I don't think there's necessarily a wrong way to do it, but to Salis Point, I think it's going to be less beneficial going right before the back. It's probably wake you up, right? But you may be okay. So I don't, and then the reason why he's telling you not afterwards is because there's benefits to, to inflammation, right, to send the signal to build muscle. And so you don't want to dampen that signal right

afterwards necessarily. But it doesn't mean it's wrong or bad to do it then. I think the most optimal time will be sometime early in the morning before your training session. That's why I was going to ask is that you primarily use it to kind of get the energy up early in the morning. Yes, yes, almost as stimulating. How long do you usually stay? So we haven't started it yet, right?

So I'll start in album because the thing that the one we have, the cold, the cold plunges the brand that we have, we can actually adjust the temperature. And so I think the recommendation, the first time you get in, I wanna say is like 55, is that sound right, Justin? I think you started starting off. You don't need to go like the coldest season for you.

Yeah, a lot of people try and go like from cold turkey, never doing it, and then they go right into it as this cold as it can for as long as they can. No, you just, you build up a tolerance for it. So, one of the ways you can even start it before you get one of these plunges is just in your shower. I think that's Sal talks about doing that at all.

I do cold showers every day. And he also mentioned a cool little hack too, if you don't want a fully immersed, like you can dunk your head under there and get like a similar effect in terms of like that, to exhilarating kind of a stimulant effect to that as well. So if you just do your your your head and you dunk it in there a bit, it has benefit to it as well. So yeah, start off at a warmer temperature, start with a short period of time, say a minute

to two minutes and work up to and work up, you know, work up to where maybe you could sit in it as cold as possible for five minutes. I think that's you plenty of great benefits from that Perfect. Well, thank you gentlemen. I appreciate the time and honestly these were the questions I've kind of been bugging me and I get I got the answers now and thank you You got a man tell your girlfriend. We said hi Thank you appreciate that I'll be setting the new picture so

Thank you Charles Appreciate it. We're looking forward to that that's usually that usually that's an insult right? Hey tell your girlfriend I said hi, but she hey she listen to show She recommended that she recommended us yeah, yeah, you know it feels like it almost feels like like fiat if he called in and he's like Hey guys, I'm trying to get more anabolic and increase my performance. Which programs you've been doing lately? Wait a minute. You're trying to get a OCR race, but I have no direction. And I want to get strong, but I like to split things. No, you know, when it comes to balance,

and you know, Adore training has so many benefits, and even if you work out a lot, you would be so proud. Doug just went through a whole cycle of map symmetry. And I was talking about it yesterday and asking him how he felt about it. And I want maybe you can, you can talk about here how, how you, how you did not realize. Well, I didn't realize how horrible my balance was. Yeah. Just doing like the single leg toe touches and the single leg Romanian deadlifts. Man, I was just falling over at first. But little by little, of course, I got a lot more balance

And then when you went to bilateral, oh yeah, strong. Yeah stable. Yeah, makes a big difference Our next color is Mariah from Montana. Mariah, how come help you? Hi guys, um, I Wrote in because I recently did uh, Dr. Kerberal's heavy metal and complete Candida Metabolic Invitamins test. And I actually did this because my boyfriend has always had got issues. So I was kind of doing it more to support him. But I actually came back that I have CBO

and with that, they put me on a four month protocol and what it kind of looks like, I don't know if you guys have had to do this because I know you've had Cup Roll, but you're allowed to have, so you have your shake in the morning, and then for lunch you have a cup of protein and then two cups of vegetables and then same thing for dinner. My concern with this is just the lack of protein within all of this. And I know, like initially, they don't want you

to have like eggs, gluten, dairy, anything like that. And that's not really for me not a big deal. But just wondering, I guess on that protein side of things and working out, like, how to stay satiated through this process. And I will add, like, right now I'm actually I guess on that protein side of things and working out like how to stay satiated through this process. And I will add like right now I'm actually doing the seven day detox and I've worked out in a week because I've done this a few times and I've just starved to death and it's been

miserable. So I just kind of decrease my activity so I could make it through these first two days of fasting. Yeah. Mariah, you're doing a seven day detox and you're following Dr. Stephen Cabral's recommendation or you're just following his recommendation. Just this recommendation and it starts with the detox and then it moves into that SIBO. Got it.

Got it. Okay, so I'm sure you probably looked up SIBO and what that all is, but for the audience, it's a small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. And it can cause symptoms in people, some are obvious, like digestive issues, some are not so obvious, sleep disturbances, inflammation, skin issues. You can have just mood issues. It can cause stuff in the body.

When treating your body to improve its health, that is a priority over trying to improve athletic performance strength, muscle, and fat loss. Now, you are going to notice improvements in those things after you finish this protocol because you're going to be getting healthier. So, you know, if you were my client, I would say, listen to the team that Dr. Cabral is working with, follow their advice. After you're done with that and you have successfully treated your SIBO, then we can move into a different protocol, maybe one where you're focused more on muscle building or fat loss or performance, or whatever other goals you may have. But in the time being, I would just follow their advice

to a tee. That's their doctors. That's why you hired them. So I would just stick to that. Yeah, I like this question because I, I can see how I can get confusing, especially if you listen to, have listened to our show for a long time, you hear us preaching about, you know, most people under you protein, it's so important and balancing all the macros out and we, and we continually push strength training and then you have someone like this who's telling you to go through this detox, you're going to be kind of lower protein, lower calorie. It's like, and it seems like it's conflicting information, but it's not. It's your, your an exception to the role here, like to Salis Point, just to piggyback off

of it, like your, your priority right now is not building muscle, it's not fallos, is to get your body as healthy and as optimal as possible. And it may feel like you're taking a step back or two towards your body composition or your performance goals, but you're going to reach those goals even faster and have an easier time sustaining it after you go through this protocol. So it's well worth it, even though it may feel challenging and frustrating right now and seem like you're contradicting some of the things that you've heard us say, but I'm with Sal 100% in this case, I would defer to you follow with Dr. Cabral saying right now, he's far better at

helping you with something like this than I am. Yeah, and keep in mind the first, sometimes, week or two weeks of a of a sebo protocol, you may actually start to feel a little worse first because of what's known as die-off. So as you're killing lots of this bacterial overgrowth, they can produce, you know, kind of toxic bioproducts. You may actually feel, you may actually feel worse for the first week or two before you start to feel better. So kind of hanging in there, and I know this have done sebo protocols. I've done, I've done three of them in the past. And each time the first for me, it was like the first

like four or five days, right, just kind of feel worse. And then I start to feel much better. Stomach pains. I've done it before. And it was like it was head aches and kind of stomach pains, things that you kind of work your way through. But yeah, on the other end of it, obviously, it was much better. So yeah, out of curiosity, of curiosity, did you have any symptoms that you've identified that could be related to SIBO? Not at all actually. I eggs, I eat gluten, I dairy, like everything, I actually own chickens. So I haven't noticed anything. I don't, I would say like my one thing is like,

I got a new job in the last year and so my stress level is just through the roof because we're about to go live on some new software. But other than that, and that was a lot of the markers is just like stress level, but I think it's contributing to my God levels as well. And yeah, other than that though, no. I feel fine.

I was a little surprised. Interesting. Well, I'd be interested to see what happens afterwards. I had a friend of mine that tested just like you did, just general testing treated herself for SIBO and like lost a lot of water rate. Like she didn't realize that she was inflamed until after she was done.

So I'd be interested to see what your experiences at the end of that four months. Yeah, definitely. Well, and it'll be helpful because actually my boyfriend, he also came back, which we expected it. We expected him to come back with Seba as well. So I mean, at least I have someone doing it with me.

Yeah. The way I feel. Awesome. All right. Well, thanks for calling him, Ryan. Thanks guys. Appreciate it. You got it. Did you guys know that I believe I read this, maybe Doug can look this up while I'm talking

here, just a fact check me. But I think SIBO can actually be transferred between partners. They can be sexually through sexual contact. Really? Yeah. I know we share a lot of bacteria, which is kind of inevitable when you're that close proximity.

Is that how Justin got it maybe from you? Yeah, definitely. That one tricked Austin. Oh, that Iowa. That was very specific. Iowa's just... I remember it like yesterday. You know what she said?

She said, parted it on your sandwich. That's why. Oh, say me some fun about that. That's a fun. Yeah. You know, what she said though, I think that's an interesting one and saw you're kind of alluded to it is that, you know,

a lot of times you don't think anything is wrong because your body is just amazing at being able to adapt. And so, or you can even just be used to. What's I mean? Like you've adapted to all these foods and so you don't think it's affecting you negatively and you don't know what feeling amazing feels like. So to you, you feel good.

That's how I always feel. This is, I feel good, so I don't feel bad until you do something like this. And then it changes and you go, oh my God, this is what, this is what good was what I should feel like. Yeah, yeah, it's hard, you know. I have family members that are like, you know, I feel fine, I don't need to, you know, work out. I have lots of energy and then I, you know, convince them to start doing a little exercise.

And they go, whoa, I feel a lot better. I say, well, you hadn't done anything for decades. You were used to your state of being. Our next caller is Joe from Utah. Joe, what's happening? How can I help you? Hey guys, I appreciate taking time. You got it.

Yeah, man. Awesome. So my question is, how do I program exercises to strengthen my lower back and core? I tweaked my back a couple of years ago, dead lefting, and it's just never really been the same. So I've scaled back quite a few times, trying to focus on form, mobility, and I don't really feel any pain while I list. It's always just more than sore after or like the next day, or even after

things like yard work or I could pick up basketball game. And every once in a while, I feel like I tweak it again. Work out wise, I've done the RGB bundle, I've done a bulk second time with some modifications that I thought would help. I did map suspension to try and help on stability. And I'm currently through an bulk again, I'm working through that backwards. I'm adding the No BS6 back app,

like exercises in there to try and work on my core. And then I'm doing things from Prime Pro and things like BirdDuck, at Camel, Walpress, Windmills before I deadlift, some income mobility before I squat. I'm not too great at doing trigger sessions or mobility days on the program call sports. I'm working on that. And then other than that, I'm 32 years old and fixed for about 255 pounds. I don't have forward

shoulder, then to your pelvic tilt and poor ankle mobility from basketball and spring in that a couple of times. Long story short, guys, I just want to pull up proof my back and my core. And I'll do whatever you tell me to do. Yeah. How often you, uh, how often you golf. I never golf. Oh, you're not a golfer. I'm not a golfer. My second golf.

Okay. I saw the shirt. I thought maybe you were a major golfer and I thought maybe it might be a QL thing and not enough rotational stuff in your training. Yeah. I, you're doing a lot of the right stuff, but I think you, uh, you would probably benefit from a good unilateral training cycle. Like map symmetry, I think would probably benefit you.

Like a full cycle of it, right? 12 weeks of mostly unilateral training. There's some bilateral stuff at the end there, and I would even maybe do two cycles of that before going back to the bilateral stuff. Sometimes when you run to these stubborn issues where you seem to feel like you're doing everything right, it still seems to tweak, can't figure out what's going on. Oftentimes there's an asymmetrical imbalance, there's a balance, an imbalance between the left and right side. Any of their stability or control or something that's hard to notice

or see unless you're working out and training with a really good trained professional who can see these things. So I would go unilateral for just a full workout cycle and then go back and see, you know, kind of how you feel. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned a lot of really good exercises in there that you're working on and addressing. One thing like hip bridges, but like that emphasis on like addressing your interior pelvic tilt.

And even like holding the isometric pose and really emphasizing that at the top of the squeeze to just reinforce that and gain some strength and promote that there. In terms of the rotations to Adam mentioned, that's the windmill and really focusing on that and maybe some Turkish get-ups so we're getting everything kind of functioning and stabilizing you properly. There has to be some instability there. And so what Sal mentions in terms of the unilateral work

is there's really nothing better than unilateral training for directly kind of pinpointing where that problem exists. And then we can really kind of zone in a little more effectively there and build strength. Yeah, Joe, this kind of pinpointing where that problem exists. And then we can really kind of zone in a little more effectively there and build strengths. Yeah, Joe, this kind of happened to me relatively recently. I didn't hurt myself, but I had noticed that when I would deadlift and squat, not even like max or super heavy, but relatively heavy, I kind of feel my back was going to give out, or a little tweaky, or I get a little more pain. I couldn't figure out the hell's going on.

I feel like I have good technique and form. I've been doing these exercises forever. And so what I did is I stopped bilateral squatting and I stopped deadlifting for, I wanna say 12 weeks. And in that 12 week period, I did unilateral stuff for my lower body. So I did lunges, I did single leg deadlifts,

I did Bulgarian split stance squats. I did, I pushed the sled, which isn't necessarily unilateral, but it is, it's bilateral, but you're doing kind of unilateral movements each time, right? And I did that for about 12 weeks. Went back to deadlifts and squats and low and behold, I felt fine. So there was definitely something there. I couldn't pinpoint what the hell it was. I just had to start training unilateral.

Now when I went unilateral, there was definitely a difference. I could see the difference between right and left. And I said, okay, this must be it. And the reason why I had to stop deadlifting and squatting is because I'd gotten so good at squatting and deadlifting, even with moderate weight, I just continue to strengthen whatever the problem was, right? So even if I stick to 300 or 400 pounds,

I'm pulling or squatting, it's enough to keep that old signal alive. So I had to get rid of that old signal, go pure, you're allowed to roll with some exercises. Then when I came back, I was like, oh, there it is, I'm a lot better. So I'll send you a map symmetry if you don't have it. That'll be the perfect program. Yeah, even more detail prescription. A more detailed prescription, I would run map symmetry. I would do windmills, Turkish

get up and sled those three things, right? So those I would follow symmetry pretty much to a tee. And then those three movements I would incorporate into my week, just practicing them. You're not, you're not trying to break any records with that, just getting really good at a Turkish get up, getting really good at a windmill and pushing the sled. And all three of those aren't going to tax the body that bad to where it's going to should impede the rest of your training routine. But I would follow symmetry and incorporate those three movements and get good at those three movements. I think that'll have tremendous benefit. Awesome. So your point you're saying do those just throughout the day on off days or.

Yeah, it could be it could be off days, it could be even on training days, like you could start off or even end your work out with Turkish kid ups on one day. And then another day, you end it on pushing the sled. And then another day, you start your workout with a windmill, it you can build it into your routine, you could do it all by itself. You know, I don't know if you have a single kettlebell or a weight like that that you could do at home. Like, I have a few kettlebells at my house,

and so I, every time I have a kettlebell, I can do that with. Yeah, yeah, so I'll do this. Like, when I notice this about myself, like, I have a few, and I literally have them just for windmills, and I'm like, you know what, I need to incorporate that again in my routine, and I just, I'll go in the garage,

and I'll just do a couple sets on each side, and then that's all I do, you know, and just incorporate it into my routine a little bit like that. So it doesn't need to be like you have to build it in, I think, so I think just incorporating that with the benefits you're gonna get from symmetry, I think is gonna help you out tremendously.

Awesome, thanks guys. Thanks for calling it, man. Yeah, I appreciate it. You got to put a question. I'm trying to reverse diet. And I'm wondering if around 400,000, 500 calories is sort of appropriate for my size to get to. I've never succeeded in cutting.

And I think I'm just not. I'm so always hungry. I can't between weekends or I don't drink like I'm pretty dialed in sometime like throughout the week weekends I get up in the four five thousand calorie range and I'm just wondering if I can get my metabolism up there constantly if that would be where I need to shoot for to start a cut from. Well you need to shoot for I mean that cop from. Well, you need to shoot for, I mean, that's an individual thing. You're 255 pounds, 64, you're a pretty big guy.

4500 calories is a lot, even for a big guy like you, but if you have a really fast metabolism, like I know Adam would hit those numbers when he was training, he's got a really fast metabolism. I don't think he got up to 255 pounds. So it depends on the individual. It depends how it makes you feel. So I can't really necessarily answer that,

but you can aim for it and see what happens and see how you start to feel moving in that direction. You gotta remember too, when it comes to reverse diet and you gotta build muscle along with that. Yeah, I'm glad you said that because the one thing I wanted to see, you're kind of, they're not conflicting. And that necessarily can't do both at the same time,

but at the beginning of the question is more about bulletproofing your body, and we're trying to give you exercises to balance you out and protect, that's kind of the focus. And then if someone comes to me and says, I wanna get my metabolism roaring as much as possible, we need to build as much muscle and strength as we possibly can,

and they're not necessarily aligned goals, so per se, right? Right. So, I mean, I think I've been fighting with that a little bit. Yeah, so, and you, that's a normal feeling because you're kind of pulling, you're pulling two directions there. Like one thing, one, one part of you is telling you, hey, I should take care of my body,

which actually it'd probably be conducive to lean out a little bit and drop your calories, and then do this map symmetry like we're saying, and then the other side of you is like, man, I wanna, you know, get my metabolism up to 45, which is totally obtainable for your size. I mean, I was up over 5,000 calories at 230 pounds. So it's definitely obtainable for you to do,

and not an unrealistic goal to do that. But I also was training like an animal. I mean, I was training seven days a week intensely for competing and walking 20,000 steps a day. So I was training seven days a week intensely for competing and walking 20,000 steps a day. So I was doing a lot of activity in addition to that. And I had a lot of muscle mass to ramp that metabolism up to that point. So and I wasn't focused on rehabbing, taking good care of my body. I was solely focused on building a metabolism, getting as jacked as I could and getting on stage. And so, you know, just keep that in mind that if you're, if you're being pulled in those

two directions, they both don't necessarily serve each other the best. Awesome. That helps. Thank you. You got it, Joe. Thanks for calling in. I appreciate it. Thank you. The problem. When people say I train like an animal, I just picture like the lifting weights with their teeth. That guy's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

This isn't super common. Usually when someone's, you know, hurts himself repeatedly, it's more obvious. But I mean, he's saying all the right stuff. He's doing all the right stuff. And he's a big guy. Probably pretty strong. These are the times when I say, well, it's for the time being, avoid the exercises that are causing the problem.

Let's focus on these other movements, unilateral in his case, build that up and then go back to those favorite movements and see how you feel. It worked for me, but it took me, I wanna say eight to 12 weeks that I didn't deadlift or squat at all. Dude, what did we do before we had symmetry?

It's like, how did we suggest that? We would say you would just say, you don't allow a train to be like, cool, I'll figure this out. Now we have it all programmed out. Yeah, the irony of how long it took to create that program. We should have we should have created all that. That was a good idea you came up with.

Yeah, it was. It was yours wasn't it? Yeah, you can be credit partly on camera. On camera. No, I comfortable. I think the most important thing is the comment on what we ended that we're talking to him about because I think this happens a lot like how often do we get these callers

and they always got like two questions and a lot of times I feel like the two things they wanna do are competing things. And it's not necessarily competing. Not necessarily. But I mean, if you're chasing size and strength and you're also trying to balance out, the mentality is a little.

It's totally different. It's totally different. That's why I wanted to give on the analogy of like, when I was trying to get my metallic, I was not trying to take care of my body. I was 100% focused on aesthetics, ramping my metabolism up, looking a certain way. I'm in a performance.

Yeah, and then when I went to the shift of, okay, it's time to increase my squat depth and work on my ankle mobility. It's like, I was not going to have the most roaring metabolism at that time. I knew that I was probably inevitably probably going to lose a little bit of muscle muscle on the way. Like that's just it's just part of the kind of the process because your mentality has to

shift. So our next colors, John from DC. John, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Thank you, John. So much for your time. Really appreciate what you do. And thank you for bringing the intelligent, thoughtful commentary on fitness and health.

Really appreciate it. Thank you. Also, I extend thanks to Doug and your entire month, my punk team for supporting the show. I don't think they get enough love, but I want to say that I love them. Give Doug some love. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, yeah. So, Mike, now I want to be quick.

My question to you is regarding my family, my kids. My 13th old sentence approached me about lifting weights, and I have about, I have four kids from ages ranging from 13 to 7, and I've been thinking about how do I approach structuring a fitness regiment, or in thinking about big rocks for things that need to be accomplished at earlier ages before the actually start lifting weights. And we'll let your thoughts on how do I think about introducing other weights or interesting calcinics or etc. to my kids at different ages.

If you were a structure sort of a program ranked from ages 7 through high school What would you start with and what kind of progress towards oh gosh with the ages that you just gave us Bodyweight closed chain movements would be where I'd start so I don't care if they're playful movements Yeah, I don't care if you're 13 or 7 now once, once you get to like 17, 18, 19, you can start with dumbbell, barbell movements. But even then, close chain movements like pushups and body weight squats and pull-ups and dips. Dips.

So, a great program for your kids. That would be appropriate for all of your kids. So long as they do the exercises right and you watch them, make sure they don't do anything crazy, would be map suspension. Map suspension would be great. It's all body weight, it's all body control. And once they run through a cycle of that, you're 13 year old in particular.

Once they run through a cycle of map suspension, then I'd put them on something like, maybe maps resistance, or even pre-phase of maps at a ball, so long as their movement is good, and monitor their form and technique, and make sure that it's all form and technique focused, and that's it, but they're all of them. Strength training is appropriate for all ages.

It's not, it's not, it's only dangerous if you do it wrong, it's only dangerous if you're reckless, otherwise it'll benefit all of their movement, their health. Gymnastics, for example, is phenomenal, especially for your youngest, they're seven-year-old. Gymnastics right now would have so much carryover

for the rest of the life. Well, the reason why this question is a little difficult to answer with like really good prescription from us is because I've seen seven to 13-year-olds that just have this ability to put you as a dad, you show him a proper push-up. They do it. They do it like, you know, two or or three times and then all of a sudden they can do it. They can model it to a tee and then I've seen other.

You know 13 year olds you show them time and they are just hips are all over the place. They're dipping down. I mean they just look like an absolute mess. And so those two people, those two different scenarios, I can progress them completely different. I mean, if I got a kid who I can teach mechanics to, and I can see that they can emulate it relatively quick, almost perfect, right? They don't have to be perfect, but they can get it down pretty damn well, pretty fast.

I can really progress that kid to getting them to barbells and dumbbells relatively quick. But then if I have a kid who is just an absolute disaster and all over the place, I would probably stick to a lot of body weight movements for a long time until I can get them. I mean, you're gonna see that all the way up to the high school level I'm finding out.

So that's just one of those things that call it like the, you gotta structure something. If I'm creating something for a group of kids, it's like I gotta consider the baby draft, the one that's like all over the place. But yeah, in terms of those, those age spans, you're going to get a wide variety of abilities. And for the most part, in the beginning, like the biggest concern is for them to understand how to control their body and how to be able to stabilize and be able to go through these

movements with intention. So to create just an environment for them that they want to participate in, I think is the biggest thing. And so if that's some kind of a structured sport or something where you guys do it as a family, like you're just doing a workout and they kind of like and want to try something.

That's how I approached it with my kids and then created things outside for them to climb. I think climbing is a very valuable way to introduce a lot of control and strength and demand in that regard and understanding their body and control. Then progressively introduce them to other types of like suspension is a good one just because it does really force the issue of balance and stability control on strength. And then, you know, from there, it's just kind of one of those things. How much interest they have is how much I then start to incorporate, you know, the next sort of layer to that. It turns of like going from there to now,

can they maintain a position, and then also can I load that position? So that's sort of like just this constant progressive way of looking at where their abilities are and how I can match it. I really love Sal's recommendation with the suspension trainer, because you could do suspension, you could do starter, you could do anywhere,

they all could kind of fit in that category. But I really like the suspension trainer, because you could do suspension, you could do starter, you could do anywhere, they all could kind of fit in that category. But I really like the suspension trainer since you have all different age groups and you can easily progress it or regress it with one tool. It's easy. Just by their stepping, their feet away or closer to the wall, it makes the exercise that much more challenging.

I think the thing that you don't want to do that I think some parents do is they over-complicate it. I literally am gonna do do a push a pull a squat and maybe a handstand. Those are those four things. If I can get my kid to do like a push up a body row, balance on their hands and do some squat body weight stance. Yeah, either. Yeah, push stance squats or bilateral squats or sink, get eventually get you know, with the assistance of the

suspension, get them to do a single leg squat. Like, man, those four movements right there get really good at those four movements. And with the suspension trainer, you can progress it by making it more challenging where you put, I mean, that is. It's also fun.

You leave the suspension trainer up and just watch your kids walk by it and mess around with it and practice exercises. But I'm gonna send that program to you if you don't have it because I think that'd be perfect. I really appreciate that. Thank you so much. You got it, man.

Thanks for calling in, John. Yeah, my pleasure. Yeah, I remember first getting into strength training, how prevalent the myth was that strength training would stunt my growth. I remember my mom, you're gonna stunt your growth. You're gonna damage your growth plates. And of course, I, not knowing if it was true or false

and give you, I didn't care. I was like, I'm gonna work out anyway. And now we know. Muscle, I don't care if I'm short. Yeah, but now we know, luckily I have 14, I was already pretty tall, but no. Now we know that's a total myth. I mean, to damage growth plates,

you would have to load a kid to the point where they can't lift the weight anymore. They have to hurt themselves. So, but it's very beneficial. And body control is very important for little kids. Like being able to do strength training, but with their body, because it gives them such good body awareness.

Yeah, and to that point of the myth, like I was like all apprehensive to introduce kids to like compound lifts and things like that. But, you know, like if they learn really early, how to master the, you know, that technique and the mechanics of it, it really not loading it specifically, but having them go through that and you're teaching it,

that's something they can build upon the rest of their lives. Totally, and it's a skill that they can acquire young, which is great. It's just really about how you introduce it and you teach it properly. Completely. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to Mind Pump Free.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health

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