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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast, all those things. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered listeners' questions, but this was after a 58 minute portion, where we talked about current events, scientific studies, we talked about our kids, fitness, life,

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Starting point is 00:03:03 Easily one of the most underutilized. Here's the kicker. It's been around forever You guys want to guess what it is? It's a piece of tech and it's been around forever. It's been around for a long time. Long time mean like 50 plus years. Not like been a long time. It's a trick question or real like a share. No, it's real. The mere. No, that's not really tech. The claw. I mean, it depends on how far it could be considered tech hundreds of years ago. Everything's tech. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's fire. I'm serious. I mean, it would go on 50 plus years, 100 plus years. Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's fire. No, I'm serious, I mean, it would go 50 plus years, 100 plus years.

Starting point is 00:03:27 No, no, no, no, no, no. Just, let's go in our careers. It was used before that, but on our career. Okay, so okay, that's not true. Hey, I'll give you a clue, you guys have figured out. We, trainers used them all the time when we were trainers. You always had one of these on you, when you trained clients. Clipboard.

Starting point is 00:03:41 Stopwatch. Thank you. Stopwatch. So, you know, here's what's interesting. And I'm telling you, try this out. And I did it this morning while I was working out. So, I've been trying to be consistent with rest periods, whether it's 30 seconds, a minute, three minutes.

Starting point is 00:03:57 And I'm also trying to stay present in my workout, because I have a tendency to want to go on my phone, you know, either text or read or do stuff like that. And I noticed when I'm present in the workout, I have much better workouts. And I also noticed when I can pay attention to the rest periods, I either A, if it's a long rest period, sometimes I'll rest too short.

Starting point is 00:04:17 So if I know I'm doing a strength cycle, I'm doing three minutes, sometimes I'll probably rest two minutes or a minute half, because I feel like I'm ready, or especially if I'm doing a 30 second rest, I think I rested 30 seconds. It was more like a minute or a minute and a half. So I brought my stopwatch today and I said I'm going to do 30 second rest in between sets. I'm going light and trying to go for a pump. And that stopwatch of hit it, watch the time, 30 seconds do my set, hit it, watch the time. I'm so present in the workout.

Starting point is 00:04:44 And my sets are consistently 30 seconds apart. And I can see the value of this for people who have trouble resting enough time. Like we've all had those clients where, it's like, no, we're gonna rest two minutes in between sets, and they're like, what do I do in between? Do I do jumping jacks?

Starting point is 00:04:57 It's like, no, no, you gotta rest. Let your... So this is good for people, ADD. It's good for, I love you. I love you, I love you. Yes, this used to be my favorite hack when I would get a client who was, had been training for extended period of time, right?

Starting point is 00:05:13 So years of experience already, and they're hiring me because they were in a plateau. One of my favorite things to do is to just assess, we talk a lot about this, and we just talked recently on a show about how people identify with like a type of, you know, modality, right? So you're the, are you the circuit training person, are you the cross-fit person, are you the power lifter,

Starting point is 00:05:36 the bodybuilder, and typically when you identify with that type of a person the way you lift, you also tend to keep the rest periods like that all the time. So, you also tend to keep the rest periods like that all the time. And then my favorite thing to do to show them quick results would be to take them on the opposite extreme. So if I got the soccer mom who loves all the circuit classes and there's like no rest

Starting point is 00:05:58 period, it's like non-stop lifting like the body pump type of classes, the orange theories, I love to take her through a powerlifting cycle where I'm making her rest for three minutes. And how hard is it for her? So hard. If you didn't have a stopwatch, if she didn't have a stopwatch,

Starting point is 00:06:12 would she even rest three minutes? No, no, no. And then you also have to teach them how to like lift heavier because they're so used to lift your light weight all the time. And then the opposite is true, right? I get somebody who is a powerlifter and just loves

Starting point is 00:06:25 a lift super heavy, but then now wants to change body composition and wants to get leaner. And you know, it's been training consistently for a long time. Again, it says they're training. Oh, look, they have the rest three minutes plus all time. Put them on a 30 second rest period and be consistent with it and watch other body changes. It's one of the best factors within programming that you can change is very simple, that

Starting point is 00:06:49 changes the whole workout. Why? Well, let me break it down. Number one, obviously changing rest periods changes how your body adapts, changes the focus of the exercise, changes the feel, you know, you get more strength stamina or you get more just grinding strength. You get a better pump Whatever, right? But besides that Shortening or lengthening risk periods also changes how you do the exercise in the amount of weight that you use

Starting point is 00:07:13 Oh, yeah, like today I was doing 30 second rest and to give you guys some examples So I go do incline barbell press which if I'm doing my my heavy work sets I'm going anywhere between I don't know around two 25 is probably what I'm gonna my heavy work sets, I'm going anywhere between, I don't know, around 225 is probably what I'm going to stick to, low reps, right? Like five reps, I'm like that. Today, I'm like, I'm going to do 30-second rests in between. 135 is what I had to work with because with that 30-second, after I did, like once I got to the fourth or fifth set, like 30 seconds was a good rest period, and I was getting good, you know, my reps weren't super high at that particular point, right? So the shortening of the rest periods forced me to go lighter,

Starting point is 00:07:50 forced me to feel the muscle, forced me to focus on the pump. The long rest periods is the opposite. All of a sudden, like those clients here talking about Adam, the ones that are so used to circuit, so used to hit training. When I had to have them rest longer, they had to readjust the weight, because it had to hit training. When I'd have them rest longer, they had to readjust the weight. Because it had to use more. I'd say that that's the biggest challenge of this tip. And I think why so many people don't do it is because it also messes with

Starting point is 00:08:16 their weight, like what they choose to put on the bar, right? And we're picking on a specific avatar, but there's plenty of people that fit these categories. So, you know, the soccer mom, one of the greatest challenges, aside from getting her to rest longer, would be also to convince her she can do more. Yes, you can do more. I promise you, I'm watching your form,

Starting point is 00:08:36 I'm watching how you're moving this way. We can do, so that's also that part. And vice versa, the meathead guy who loves, you know, bench pressing, 275 plus, and now listen, he's gonna put who loves bench pressing 275 plus. And now, listen, he's gonna put 135 on the bar. It's a mental fuck on both sides. And so it's not just, oh, let's switch your rest periods because what I would see when you would tell someone that

Starting point is 00:08:55 is they do it and they never stick with it because it messes with their ego because they're so used to training also await a certain way that they would abandon the tip. So you have to stick with it. It's phenomenal. Literally, in a stop-well, I bought one on Amazon for less than 10 bucks.

Starting point is 00:09:11 I mean, they're cheap. And I got it in the mail yesterday. And so I brought it to work. And literally, what you do is say, okay, today's workout, I'm gonna go for 60 second rest in between sets. Which by the way, 30 to 60 seconds is faster than you think. So I go, I'm gonna do do, for me it was 30 seconds.

Starting point is 00:09:27 So I said, okay, I'm going to do 30 second rest. I literally hit the stopwatch when it was time to rest, hit it when it was 30 and did my set. If I didn't do that, and I'm feeling how I'm feeling, like throughout the workout, if I didn't do that, it would have usually stretched to 60 and 90 seconds without me realizing it. Because time, part of the thing with time and being accurate with time is,

Starting point is 00:09:49 we perceive it differently. The more tired you are or I get distracted, time moves faster or slower. I think Einstein has a famous quote where he says, about the theory of relativity, he made a joke and he said, yeah, you wanna see how fast time goes, sit next to a beautiful woman and have a conversation

Starting point is 00:10:04 with her and time flies by, right? Or do something that, yeah, you wanna see how fast time goes, sit next to a beautiful woman and have a conversation with her, and time flies by, right? Or do something that you hate, and you can see how slow time. So, our perception of time gets very easily distorted. So, whatever time, period of rest, you wanna set, bring it, stop, watch your workout, set it, do your thing, set it, do your thing,

Starting point is 00:10:20 and stay consistent with the workout, and tell me at the end of the workout that you don't feel a difference. Did Einstein really say that about a hot chick? He did. He didn't say hot chick though. He said a beautiful woman or something like that. I didn't even know that. I think I could find that. I was actually pretty funny. I never heard that. I've never heard that before.

Starting point is 00:10:34 Can we, you know, this is also, sorry, Justin. Yeah, yeah. I won't let you guys talk. No, no, no. It's fine. Keep going. Remember when we talked off arrow We're gonna do that one day Is this the day you guys are just trying to single me out and go yeah, see you later Our later just as it got worded no, I just wanted to finish on the close the the loop on what's out saying because You've heard me on the podcast before talk. Well, I've got a lot of flack for the the group the group X thing

Starting point is 00:11:04 Which should die the second thing I got a lot of flack for the group, the group X thing which should die. The second thing I got a lot of flack for was workout partners, terrible to have a workout partner. And a lot of people disagree with that for the motivation and the spot and all this bullshit consistency to get there. But this is one of the reasons why I didn't like a workout partner and why I think they can be detrimental to a lot of people is because when you have somebody else,

Starting point is 00:11:24 it's really difficult to do the time thing. Have you ever tried to do a time thing with them? You can't. I think they can be detrimental to a lot of people is because when you have somebody else, it's really difficult to do the time thing. Have you ever tried to do a time thing with them? You can't. The only way it works is if you're both in the same rest period, that phase of your training during that month or whatever like that, and you don't talk. And you don't talk and you just kick turns and then that matches the time. But who does that?

Starting point is 00:11:46 Anybody who works out with someone, bullshit's in between, gets distracted. It's like, you're not sticking to your programming that way, which is another one of the main reasons why I never like to work out partners because I did manipulate this and I do know what a big difference it makes when you're consistent with it.

Starting point is 00:12:00 You stay true. Yeah, I haven't messed so the stop clock, I mean, that makes perfect sense for rest periods. The cool part is now that they have those gym digital clocks that have the second hand. So I tend to use that for rest period, but also too, if you have one available to look and refer to that when you're doing isometric holds, I'll do 15 to 30 second holds and just real dialed in on that instead of just trying to count it in my head But totally changes the entire feel the workout

Starting point is 00:12:29 Yeah, and then the other part of it which this may sound weird to some people until you try it and then you'll be like Oh, okay, I can see a difference is it keeps you in the workout. Yeah, yeah, it keeps you present now one of the things I love about strength training is it's the most present form of one of the most present forms of exercise that you could possibly do when you're doing the exercise. So when you're doing a set with strength training, you got to be very, you got to be there, especially for it going heavy. Unlike other forms of exercise where if you're just doing the same thing over and over, you're running our treadmill or on elliptical and you can kind of get lost in your thoughts because it's repetitive. With strength training, it's harder to do,

Starting point is 00:13:05 especially if you lift heavy. So I love that about it. But the part where it gets screwed up is in between the sets. This is where we start to go off and we're not present. And with the invent of smartphones, that really messes the whole thing up. And I never really thought about it

Starting point is 00:13:20 because I have my smartphone, I'm on there, I'm working, I'm doing stuff in between, I'm reading, never really thought about it until not that long ago, I'm on there, I'm working, I'm doing stuff in between, I'm reading, I never really thought about it until not that long ago, I thought, man, I remember, oh, you know what it was, I was watching old bodybuilding videos, and as I'm watching them, I realize something like, there's no music in the gym when they're working out.

Starting point is 00:13:40 Like back in the day, when Arnold used to work out in the 70s, they didn't play music. That wasn't until like a little later. It's like the 90s. Yeah, they call you here. They call you here, whoo. Yeah. Yeah, they're just people are just,

Starting point is 00:13:52 I'm good music. They're just, I'm not saying I'm against music. Yeah. But they're just training. I remember thinking like, man, they had nothing but the workout, like how present they must have had to be. Yeah, very focused. And as I'm watching, because I'm watching in the background

Starting point is 00:14:06 I love old exercise equipment so I pause the video and I'm looking at it I'm like man look at all that old equipment and I'm like nobody's talking to each other They're all just trained they're all super present. I'm like, you know, I used to do that when I'd work out It wasn't anything for me to focus on other than my workout So let me try that. So I did it with my phone where I put it in my pocket and I'm like, I'm not touching it, made a huge difference. Stopwatch does it to the level, because I'm literally there.

Starting point is 00:14:32 You know, I'm focused on the rest or I'm focused on the lift. And I mean, that 45 minute to hour workout is like so present and that's gonna reflect on the psychology on the workouts and how you feel. I wish they still made iPods. I used to have this one that was just loaded with like workout songs. And so it was like there was no distraction of the phone to kind of interrupt that. And then you had like your hood and everything like you go in like almost heavy days and you just were just

Starting point is 00:14:58 all about business. And I haven't got back to that in a long time. But that was like the biggest hack for me was like making sure I had that all loaded up and it was ready to go, and there was nothing else that was gonna interrupt it. Did they get rid of iPods completely? They don't have like, the little shelf. The little shelf, do they?

Starting point is 00:15:13 You can get it by itself. Like not on Amazon, that's old, like new. No, like a new, like they're cheap. Just, I know, because that's what I did. I looked online, because that's the move. I feel like that's the hack. Now the reason why I didn't do it is because I have a pregnant wife and a baby. I'm like, ugh, something happens. You know, I know online. That's the move. I feel like that's the hack. Now the reason why I didn't do it is because I have a pregnant wife and a baby.

Starting point is 00:15:26 I'm like, ugh, something happens. You know, I know me. I'm a part like. That stuff is making a comeback right now, right? So I just saw our friend Max, look of here, actually, post, I think he's either partnered with or maybe he was just doing a shout out. I don't know if he was if he's officially partnered

Starting point is 00:15:40 but there's like these iPads or notes that he has this digital notepad. That just does that. That just does that, has no apps. I think that's the future. I do too. I think more and more. We're too distracted.

Starting point is 00:15:51 Yeah, I think more and more people are recognizing that they are. And yes, for convenience, it's nice to have everything on your phone, but then for distraction, it's not. No, it's not. Look how cheap it is. 19 bucks, you can get one. No way.

Starting point is 00:16:02 Yeah. No, those are all old though. Sal right? I those use dog or brand new brand new. They're just they're just like the new headphones It's like how good luck connecting them. Yeah, like unless they have like ports for the new now Now that what sucks about this though is so like I wonder if you could if they do they make any that like have like Spotify built into them to Or I guess yes, oh they do yeah, so you could get on and and have screening music. Oh, that's all for sure getting one. Yeah, that's all I think the really cheap ones are just music you upload. Yeah, that would be a pain they asked for me because I don't even have I don't even have anything.

Starting point is 00:16:36 I don't know how to do that. I don't know. How do I never did Napster? To Napster. It was huge. Okay, so college camps, we would spend in between every class, we'd go into one of my friends, like, common areas and we had a computer set up and every single guy would just think of, like, bands and download. We got up to thousands. It was, like, over 5,000 bands, just their entire catalog. Just stealing. Just stealing.

Starting point is 00:17:03 Yes. Putting it on little. I mean, we did all that. So we all lost it now. It's like, you know, irrelevant now. You know, do my son knows how to get to all those sites? Because now they do that one movie. Yeah, they do movies.

Starting point is 00:17:15 He's like, dude, he goes, I'm like, oh, movies out. It's going to movies. Like, what we can watch in the movies? I'm like, huh? Yeah, and he says the first version is always someone supporting it. It sucks. But then he says, very quickly within a week, they have a digital version. It's still degraded

Starting point is 00:17:28 It's to I at least yes, I have I have and I back when we first saw this podcast And he was you who got one of us on trying to do that And I remember like going home like all excited and we wasn't the firestick or some bullshit Yeah, those stuff that might sister in them are all into that I'm like dude That's I so it's like unprot, I'm one of those guys who pay the extra amount of money for your TV to be like the best, right? Like, you can go get my same TV, same size,

Starting point is 00:17:53 same brand even for half the price, but I'm paying for I want the purest quality. Same here, I don't give a shit, I'll pay for it. Yeah, yeah. So I thought, you know, the stealing, you guys just reminded me, so there wasn't even my notes to talk about it, but I watched this documentary last night,

Starting point is 00:18:08 and I can't give the names, a Netflix documentary that's trending right now, Doug, so maybe you could help me or Andrew can help me. Oh, he found the quote for Mindstein right now, also, four. Well, yeah, what is it? It says, sit with a pretty girl for an hour and something like it feels like.

Starting point is 00:18:21 It feels like a minute, sit on a hot stove for a minute, and it feels like an hour. That's a funny. That's how we explain it to the two of you. That's so great, though. So this documentary is about these two kids that basically, and they were the ones that really start. So everyone knows now, and I'm sure that it's because

Starting point is 00:18:41 of these two kids, Like about posting online, like when you're leaving your house for a week or doing stuff like that, like how stupid that is. Oh, yeah, right. They are the ones that made this popular and they actually did this to all famous people first. So this is a really popular, this happened in Hollywood. What do you mean they did this first?

Starting point is 00:18:58 They were like, this was my space. Okay. My space hit the scene, but in beginning of Facebook era, Paris Hilton's, I forget all the people they hit, they hit Paris Hilton's house like 18 times. Broken to it? Yes. And she had so much shit in her room,

Starting point is 00:19:17 so much money in her purses and shit laying around that they were smart. They didn't like rob like a million dollars with a jewelry out of their safe. They would just take all this like a couple thousand dollars. Yeah, she wouldn't even realize. Would even realize and wouldn't even report. And they kept coming back and kept coming back.

Starting point is 00:19:33 And all they would do is they'd watch these celebrities. Just to keep it. Yeah, where's my bag? They would watch these celebrities. And they started with like reality star celebrities and they worked their way up to like a list celebrities and they would wait until they were you know posting about being in Miami for the week or like that They would go to their house and then and then here's a crazy part

Starting point is 00:19:54 They wouldn't even break in they would just they would do this to so many houses in this rich neighborhood That so so many people would leave their their doors unlocked a slider open just walk a key under the mat Yeah, just walk in. They got away with this for, okay, 13 years. What's it called? The Duffering Bling Ring. Yes, bling ring. Fascinating story.

Starting point is 00:20:14 I had $7,000. They were, they were getting away for this for 13 years. This would never work. For my dad. Hey, listen, hey, my dad, literally my dad would be like, there was seven dimes here. Yeah, there was still, they were stealing from the rich.

Starting point is 00:20:30 That's why they got away with it. Six, six dimes. One dime is missing. Where'd it go? They started this in high school. They were doing this in high school. These kids were doing smart, listening to his wife.

Starting point is 00:20:40 They would go down the neighborhood one of the girl would hang her, he would drive and they'd go down like a Hollywood Hills, and they would drive along all these freaking sick cars and a Porsche's, and she would just reach her hand out, and just keep trying a door handle, until finally a door handle would open, and they would just go in there,

Starting point is 00:20:56 rifle through all the stuff, steal whatever's in the glove box, and then they were doing this forever. Eventually hit a Porsche that had left the keys in there. She stills the Porsche They got the smarts to go and put like the dealer plates when you buy a new car on there They drove it to high school all year all year Rolled up to with their fucking stolen Porsche to high school every day with their dealer plates Wow, it's a crazy. Is it a car? Obviously. I so I actually don't remember how the ending

Starting point is 00:21:24 I don't know what I was doing. Why I don't remember how though I got right. Oh, no, it's a crazy car obviously. I actually don't remember how the ending, I don't know what I was doing, I don't remember how they got, oh no, it's a series, that's why I didn't finish it. I think I'm on the second episode or third episode right now of it and it's super fascinating. These kids got away with this for so long. I don't know what country it's in because this wouldn't fly here,

Starting point is 00:21:39 but it was somewhere where there's a lot of theft and especially wealthy people will get robbed or whatever, they literally installed flame throwers in the car. Where if someone's trying to... What? Yeah. Flamethrower.

Starting point is 00:21:52 Yeah, like somebody trying to break in or carry out a whole car down. No, you push a button and flames come out the bottom and we'll just flame someone up. What? Look it up. I swear to God. It's not like it's not like in the,

Starting point is 00:22:07 I think it's in the last two weeks superhero movies, well, that's how to come from one year superhero. It's not crypto night, it's fire. We've done what fires. No, this is, it's like an emerging economy. So it's like in a country where you've got some really rich people, but then there's lots of potential crime and stuff.

Starting point is 00:22:21 I don't remember what country or something like that. Yeah, I don't remember what country it was, but it was perfectly legal. Like you could do this. It's like remember what country it was, but it was perfectly legal. You could do this. South Africa is a place. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd then pull it up here. Oh, yeah. No, this is real, bro. Now, as I watched this, I'm like, huh? I would have mine. The ultimate deterrent, right? Yeah. So this is actually how to LA. Somebody is this an actual video of someone trying to break into his car? I believe so.

Starting point is 00:22:45 He's out of dimmilling it, right? This reminds me of that one with the bike video, the guy that sets up anybody stealing his bike and puts an ejection seat on it launches it. It's for South Africa and it's to combat car jacking. Oh, shit. That's no joke. Yeah, I told you. What? Whoa, shit. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa's, it's, look, it's right there. So it looks like you're turning your car on. No, that's a problem though. It's like, yeah, I just did this one this morning. It's a mess with the car.

Starting point is 00:23:27 I want to go grab, I won't, I left my wallet in my other car, right? I go to grab the door handle and it was, it was locked. And what did you do? Like fucking like myself. No, no, no, no, no. No, you have to be in the car and you have to turn it on. Oh, this is for carjacking. Like someone's in the car.

Starting point is 00:23:42 Yes, it's carjacking. So people, this was a big problem where people are in their car. They pull up to their house. Someone's waiting. Then Like someone's in the car. Yes, it's car jacking. So people, this is a big problem where people are in their car, they pull up to their house, someone's waiting, then they sneak up with a gun, and either get you at a car, rob you, kill you, can nap you or whatever. So when you're in your car,

Starting point is 00:23:54 you, looks like you're turning your car on, there's a, it looks like there's a switch there, and then it just fucking, I like those armor vehicles for that. You show me a bunch of those, the bulletproof windows and tires and rims and all and then have like this like almost like a Gatling gun on the show you did I show you that SUV? Things like a little mean pain though, right? It's like 400. Yeah, but it's kind of it's kind of a V12,000 horsepower engine in it

Starting point is 00:24:19 Thank you You're on fire. I mean at one, do people start buying stuff like this downtown LA? You know, and I wonder if this, that is. Getting there. Is that more feasible than just having bulletproof windows? That's a good question. I feel like bulletproof windows would solve the same problem. It would, except you don't get to kill the guy.

Starting point is 00:24:42 He's trying to, you don't have to send him a fire. Like if I got my kids in the car and I'm in there and some do pulls a gun I would rather lie to my fire. Oh not me I would wait for that bullproof that's crazy bro. If you actually I'm cuz it depends on fire. He could be fire. You're right. I know both. Oh you can't shoot me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's true. Yeah. Okay. Now you're now your defense. The funny part is the video is showing us in this like 1980s BMW that you're protecting.

Starting point is 00:25:09 So you're fucking, your defense mechanism is more expensive than your cars. Yeah, exactly. Along those lines, Justin, you talked about those guys, I made those videos with bikes. Yeah. There was one where the bike seat, if you sat on it, there was like a small diameter pipe that would come through the seat. So you'd sit on it. So the sky, he put this bike out

Starting point is 00:25:31 and then videotape from far away, people trying to steal his bike. So they'd look around, and you can see these fuckers are looking around like, then they'd jump on the bike, they'd sit on the seat, woo, that it plays this music. Woo. I can't do this.

Starting point is 00:25:43 I can't do this. They get a pay. I love it, dude'm excited and also frustrated at the same time. That we have, it's been a while I feel like, since we have partnered with a brand that typically what happens, right? One guy brings a brand that he really likes. Oh, this is amazing, right? And all it takes is at least one other guy to go like, oh, yeah, I like it too. That's really cool for us to go like, okay, this is

Starting point is 00:26:11 cool. This is a this is a potential partnership. Someone that'd be cool to introduce the audience, right? It's not that often that we get a brand that we partner with that everybody is like, like all about it. Not just all about it, but we're fighting over the stuff all the time. So I'm getting the scraps. Yeah, well, I had that we just recently signed with Creatures of Habit, the oatmeal product, which we, all, protagonist.

Starting point is 00:26:36 Yeah, all of us, which by the way, I think he's changing that really soon here. I think the name is gonna be changed like in the next month or so. So, this is high protein oatmeal with omega-3 fatty acids, vitamin D, probiotics in there. Yeah, it tastes good. And I just, you know, I mean,

Starting point is 00:26:52 I brought it to guys going like, okay, I love this. I think they're gonna like it. Everybody, oh yeah, I like it. But then you can't even cut, we had case already here that was sent here is gone. Is what if fuckers take some home? No, you didn't take it home? No, I actually, I'm bringing more from my house.

Starting point is 00:27:07 So I have them, so I have a case now being shipped to my house. I have a case being shipped here. We went through all the case here. What you see me bringing is mine. Like you don't get it. It's always a quiet one, dude. It's probably Dylan. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:21 I mean, you guys, it's really, really, really. No, no, no, happen yesterday. I go, I go, I go to my tree. No, no, guys, it's really good. No, I don't happen yesterday. I go, I did too much. I did too much. I don't know, I go back there. Before we start the podcast, and I see a box of the protagonist, I'm like, oh good, there's, there's,

Starting point is 00:27:33 there's some oatmeal. I'll have that right after the podcast. Then we're doing our podcast and stuff. And then I look at Doug and he's got like a mug and he's eating something out of it. I'm like, son of a bitch. I go back there, it's gone. Yeah. Like, did you eat it, Doug?

Starting point is 00:27:46 I sure did. Yes, I did. Really good. Have you guys had all the flavors yet? Or no, are there some in the flavors? I've tried that maybe three or four. I've tried the banana, what is it? Banana, something chocolate.

Starting point is 00:27:55 Chocolate, vanilla, the maple is good. I've tried them all. Yeah. The apple cinnamon is my favorite. I like it. Yeah, apple cinnamon is really good. The maple one's on, the peanut butter banana's on. The blueberries by my second favorite. You're just doing water, right? That like it. Yeah, apple sediment's really good. The maple one's on, the peanut butter banana's on. The blueberries do my second favorite.

Starting point is 00:28:06 You're just doing water, right? Yeah. I go, I don't either. Macadamia nut milk or almond milk. So unbelievable. So do you heat that first? I don't know. I mean, you heat it first.

Starting point is 00:28:15 You're mixing with the macadamia nut milk. Yeah. So are you heating the milk? Yeah, I put it in there and I microwave it. Oh, okay. Yeah, no. We can read a cookbook. Prado step one your page one had to make ice cubes. No, it's I just poured in there and warm it up and it's really good with all the

Starting point is 00:28:35 milking. Oh, you poured in you warm it all together. All of it. Yeah. Yes, not how you do it. No, I don't know why it's weird. It comes out the same Adam. I don't think so. Yeah, it does. Yeah, comes out exactly the same. No, I don't think so, Doug. I'm not sure If I'm not matters that much. Thank you for no actually you thought he was back in you up But I'm saying you just you didn't listen the whole thing. Well, it's instant oatmeal, right? Consider it insta The one thing I did so oh is anybody making oatmeal cookies with it? Yeah, we made muffins out of it You did yeah, we made muffins out of it. You already did. Bomb. Okay. I want to do the cookies.

Starting point is 00:29:06 I think Savannah's doing that. She said she was going to. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, I'll try that. What I want to try. Really, really bad news. All right.

Starting point is 00:29:14 Some bad news. What? Did you guys see that there was a report came out of the UK that unexpected deaths, they're trying to figure out why sudden unexpected deaths on the rise. What kind of deaths? Heart related? Unexpected. What is that mean?

Starting point is 00:29:32 Is that a good car accident? No, I think it's like heart attack, blood clot, sudden death. No, I see. Now, hold on. No, everybody calm down. I have calm. Yes. So there's a so there's,

Starting point is 00:29:45 there's a lot of controversy around it, right? Cause people, some people are like, aha, it's the long-term effects of the vaccines you forced everybody. But what we don't have, and I wanna be always cautious with this kind of stuff. First off, unexpected deaths are not a huge number. It is higher, but it's still not a huge number.

Starting point is 00:30:02 But in comparison, but it's 10% higher. But still, you want to be like, what's going on? There's a few likely culprits. One is during the pandemic, when things were shut down, a lot of people didn't get regular medical care who don't have great health. So there's lots of deaths that are prevented because they go to the doctor and the doctor is like, oh crap, we got to put you on blood thinner. So shit, you need blood pressure medication or whatever. And that didn't happen.

Starting point is 00:30:29 Nobody went to the doctor. Yeah. Nobody was making appointments unless it was like, you know, like I absolutely have to go hospital. That's right. So nobody was going. So that's number one. The second potential likely culprit is obesity rose at twice the rate of normal during

Starting point is 00:30:44 that pretty time. Which is probably the biggest reason. Yeah, so lots of stress eating, lots of unhealthy habits. And then combine that with mental health, went terrible, depression, increased. So general health was worse and got worse faster during the pandemic than before. Plus not seeing doctors.

Starting point is 00:31:06 And then you could potentially add in whether some maybe unintended or unforeseen side effects of some of these vaccines, who knows? But there's gonna be more data. One of the many factors going into it. Yeah, but there's a lot of, they're looking into it. And it's actually becoming mainstream news over there in the UK.

Starting point is 00:31:25 I'm interested in seeing what that looks like in other places. Yeah. If we're seeing similar trends here in the US. It isn't going to be so hard, though, to pinpoint that this is going to be impossible. And there's other things too. You know what I think had to have been so bad for people was, was it last year? The last year, before, when we had all those crazy fires, like you'd imagine breathing that in for like three, four months. Like, you wanna know something crazy?

Starting point is 00:31:48 So I thought about that. So you remember when Chernobyl happened? Yeah. Well, we don't remember because we were whatever, but when Chernobyl happened, there was this big toxic radioactive cloud that kind of circled the globe. They estimate that there was something like,

Starting point is 00:32:01 I don't remember what number it was, but it was pretty big. There was a certain percentage more cancer that happened because of that worldwide. So you gotta think, with the smoke and stuff that we've now had that one year where it was just crazy, that's gotta have some effects on people who are susceptible to long-term, right?

Starting point is 00:32:19 It's gotta be. Yeah, no, I mean, and you're talking, we were seeing it here in the Bay Area And if you were living up towards up north, I mean it was apocalyptic. Yeah, apocalyptic Not to go outside and stuff like that. It's your breathing that in you know all day every day for weeks and months for a while Are we ever gonna be able to analyze it like that though? Yeah, with how like like politicize and pull it still is to talk about. Nope, I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:32:46 I had this discussion with Mike. Like, yeah, it's like how are we ever gonna get real scientists that even go through all the data and really give us real numbers? Well, first off, you'd have to separate everything and you can't, which is me, you can't. You're at best you're making a good guess. That's all you're doing.

Starting point is 00:33:00 Right, and then number two, that's why the answer is freedom. The answer is to just allow people to do it. Yes, but now that really what it is. The second part and this is the part I had this conversation with my family was if if indeed they find out, hey crap, there are some long term effects from these vaccines for some people and it's causing this, this, and this. Would they even want to admit it? Because they went through a whole period of massive coercion.

Starting point is 00:33:28 People getting forced to do this. Could you imagine if they came out and admitted, not to say that this is true or not, but let's say it was, and they came out and said it, that would cause massive social of people. So it would almost be like a national security issue where they'd say, hey, we can't let this out because it's going to cause some crazy worldwide problems. So I don't think we'll ever get answers on some of that stuff. Well, I'll just let you slide easier.

Starting point is 00:33:50 You shuffle it off. Since you opened the door for controversial stuff, did you send over the article that I sent that came out about the gaze against grooming? Oh, I did. And that day. And they shut them down on PayPal and shut them down on, like I think cash app. So this was a page

Starting point is 00:34:06 This is a page that's run by People from the LGBT community. So gaze lesbians bisexual and trans individuals and there the whole page is about the They're against the sexualization of children. They're against Some stuff that they're seeing that's out there right now. Like, they're good examples. Because they're using their community to justify what's going on. That's what they say, right?

Starting point is 00:34:30 That's what they're pointing at. Like, and they're growing fast. Yes, like an example would be like those, these drag shows that parents are bringing their kids to, and they're obviously sexualized. Some of them even have topless dancers or this teacher, by the way, the teachers in Canada in Texas,

Starting point is 00:34:45 you said Texas on the episode. The teacher who comes to school to teach, with massive prosthetic boobs, with huge nipples, and a tiny sheer fur. You know what, I was, I'm glad you brought that. And didn't get fired or anything for it. I'm glad you brought that back up

Starting point is 00:34:57 because I don't know how, and this is why I'm so skeptical, even of what we read and see in media, is do you think it's possible that could be a massive troll on his part? Like, maybe he's actually more on the side, on your side, and he's actually just proving a point.

Starting point is 00:35:13 Like, this is how ridiculous this is. I could come here with these massive titties with hard nipples and put a wig on, and they're gonna protect me. Well, no, because he's apparently she was been transitioning for a while. Oh, really? Yeah. So the school was like, oh, because he's apparently she was been transitioning for a while. Oh, really? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:27 Okay. So the school was like, oh, that's for sure. We've been notified. Yeah. Because after a while, I thought about it, we were going back and forth. I'm like, you know what, this is like so ridiculous that this could be just like a massive...

Starting point is 00:35:36 What a great troll job that would be. It would be a great troll job, wouldn't it? I mean, because it's so absurd. I'd like to see someone show up with a massive prosthetic dick and just show up in class with it coming through the pants and be like, yeah, this is just hell. You would except for if it wasn't your kid's school. No, I'm talking about for as a troll, like to troll.

Starting point is 00:35:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Troll jobs. But anyway, that page, that's their goal and they got shut down and wiped off social media. Not all social media. They're still on Instagram, so like that. They have like 170,000 followers. It was the, for them to take donations they were

Starting point is 00:36:07 basically shutting it down the shitting down I don't remember was paypal but you have the article dog by chance I'll pull it up yeah I think it was a I just want to make sure I get it right because the social media companies are in a really bad position that's just straight up the second they started editing content they open themselves up for litigation and they open themselves up for legislation. Well, they're feeding right into Rumble. I wish I would have bought that stock sooner. I know.

Starting point is 00:36:33 So mad that I didn't do that. It's so obvious that they're going to be explode because of that. I know. So they are on social media right there on Instagram. Well, that's actually not their page, but they do have a page. They're banned from PayPal and Venmo. Look at that. Yeah, this doesn't make any sense.

Starting point is 00:36:47 I mean, is there any response from any of these platforms in terms of like the rationale and the why? Well, it's actually done. If you go back, they'll tell you it says why they got banned. Yeah, so they have a couple of letters that they've received. It's in violation of PayPal's acceptable use policy regarding your use of PayPal products. It's so vague. It's so vague. I wish they were honest and they just said, we don't like you. So we kick you off and we can do that. We're a private company. But why? Why?

Starting point is 00:37:17 Why? I mean, I don't understand like an organization like that, you should be uplifting. They're trying to say they're hateful because they ridiculeing, I think, rumors. That term now has been banned on some social media. If you use that, so in fact, on Twitter, they have to black out the three or four letters in the middle of rumors because that particular phrase has been now deemed a slur, right?

Starting point is 00:37:42 I gotta look out for them. Weird, weird, weird. It's so strange. All, I know, I gotta look out for them. Weird, weird time. It's a strange. All right, let's go back to health and stuff. It is, yeah, here. There's this compound that I just learned about for Max Lugavir, that's really interesting. Hope I'm saying it right.

Starting point is 00:37:54 It's hydroxyapatite, I think it's called. And you can find it in toothpaste and it re-mineralizes your teeth. It's totally natural. Have you guys heard of this? So it fights cavities. It's not fluoride, it's not a chemical. It's actually part of what your bones are made of.

Starting point is 00:38:13 So they put it in some toothpaste and they show that if you use this, it'll, it'll, it can help heal. It'll heal it and help you kind of get it. It'll take your teeth. It'll help you heal cavities and strengthen your teeth. It's a alkaline water's supposed to be good for that too? I have no idea.

Starting point is 00:38:28 I thought I heard that. Really? Yeah, yeah, actually, my dentist told me that. Alkaline water? Yeah. Well, you know what, when I, because I have, I'd actually go next week to go get four cavities handled. So you get cavities easy, huh?

Starting point is 00:38:40 No. I've never had a cavity. I've never had to do anything in my life. Oh, is that one time you had to get to? Never I told you I'm fucking so skeptical because I've had it then it's going. So here's what happened last time. Here's how it's like.

Starting point is 00:38:51 Here's me and Minnie how bad I am right now. Okay, so the rock star does it. I feel like Adam's a undercover conspiracy theorist. Totally. You guys are so slow. You guys are up to get you guys. It's slow. Did it start real? Did it start real? Did it start real? Did it start real? Did it stir up the game? You guys are slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow.

Starting point is 00:39:06 It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow.

Starting point is 00:39:13 It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow.

Starting point is 00:39:21 It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's slow. It's's be honest, half of it's hustled. Here's, so, I- It's because you got one bad guy, that's why. No, that's not true, it's not just one. This is happening to me multiple times,

Starting point is 00:39:32 where I go in, I'm told, I've been told before, when I was younger, I was told I was like, 12 counties, my family could afford to fuck and fix that, so they're just like deal with it, right? So, your mom, hey, we're gonna have to give you soft food. I got a lot of them. Rob some testimony. I was like 12 counties, right? So, your mom, hey, we're gonna have to give you soft food. I'm gonna wash the wrap. Rob some testing on it.

Starting point is 00:39:47 It was like 12 cavities. Oh my God, what's the price of fixed one? Yeah, it's, which is half of that. You know, it's kind of payment plan you guys have. So, payment plan. I didn't, we didn't fix anything, we didn't do anything. Years go by, right? It's see another dentist like four years later,

Starting point is 00:40:03 like that, oh, no cavities. No cavities all of a sudden, right? So from having 12 to having none, right? See another dentist, like four years later, like that, oh, no cavities. No cavities all of a sudden, right? So from having 12 to having none, right? Same thing happens when I get into my 20s. Again, my 20s actually have a dentist who, she's, I train her and she's asking me how long you've been, I'm already skeptical to my, oh, I should probably go, so I go get a cleaning

Starting point is 00:40:20 and she's like, oh, I have a few cavities, right? Oh, you have a few cavities, like, what are, she's at, no, what was great, she's a client of mine, a friend, she's like, oh, I have a few cavities, right? Oh, you have a few cavities. She's at, no, it was great. She's a client of mine and a friend. She's asking about my diet and stuff. And I'm telling her all the things I do. And at that time, I was drinking like two rock stars a day. And she's like, oh, yeah, she goes,

Starting point is 00:40:34 that's eating away at the end of my own, your teeth. She goes, you really should stop that. I go, really? I'm like, okay. So before I decide to go do the cavities, I go, let me first see, because it was starting to hurt. It's actually, well, it was the first time

Starting point is 00:40:46 I actually like my teeth hurt, like you're hurting. That's why I went in, right? So then I go, okay, I'm gonna cut it out. So I cut out the rock stars, cut them out, and it took about, I wanna see like six months the pain went away completely. And then like, I think I waited a few more months before I went in and saw our cavities are gone again.

Starting point is 00:41:00 Well, cavities can, you know, they can heal, right? So that's part of the, they don't fucking tell it. Most of us don't tell you that it would be like, hey, if you change your diet and stop this or this, like, you may not, you may not need it. That's because nobody does that. Bro, it's like, it's like a doctor telling client, oh, your blood pressure is high.

Starting point is 00:41:17 Oh, do not defend them in this, right? Really? No, I mean, because they don't do that. It's just like my psoriasis with the, with them, with the same thing. They don't ask me about, I was asking them, probably, the question, is there something I could do in my diet?

Starting point is 00:41:28 Could I be lacking something? Oh no, no, here's the steroid, here's the cream. It's like, they don't even wanna address the root cause of it. They just wanna give you the medication and the prescription. The same thing goes with the dentist. I want you to have an issue like that. They're not asking me about my diet.

Starting point is 00:41:40 Yeah, but I wonder if that wasn't a common knowledge to them at that point. I think it might be what I'm not 90, bro. It's only freaking a few years ago. What are you talking about? How long ago was it? The world of the first time? No, no, no, the last time that you went with the. Well, it's been 12 years now. Okay. Yeah, 12 years. I don't know. That's good question. You know, I will back you up because I did have a client that was an oral surgeon and he always told me if a dentist ever tells you you need something, come see me and I'll confirm.

Starting point is 00:42:13 If it's... Yeah, if it wasn't for me having the client, I would have never learned this. Like I just, I thought it was a mystery, like how do the cavities come and go like that. And then she was the first person to ask me about my diet because she's, I'm teaching her about diet. And she's like quizzing me back, like,

Starting point is 00:42:30 well, what are you eating or what are you doing? You know, it's all about the microbiome in your mouth. Yeah. That's why you will or won't get killed. Which is also back to the original thing with the alkaline water. So the test of your health. She would tell me if you're going to continue to do them,

Starting point is 00:42:41 then what you need to do is, soon as you're done, is to rinse your mouth with alkaline water. Oh. And you go to and and regular water wouldn't do the trick. So I needed alkaline water to kind of rinse to rinse the teeth off. Have you heard of that? There's this, I don't know if he's an oral surgeon or not, but he's like basically applying this technique where you press your tongue up to the roof of your mouth and you can slowly manipulate, I guess, the space in your mouth over time, through strengthening your jaw and doing these exercises to avoid oral surgery.

Starting point is 00:43:15 Yeah, well, Jessica has read a lot of stuff and she brought this to me and she said, you know, when little kids, babies, she has a few tough things. When they chew on tough things and they work their jaw, it spreads out. They're atroying it over time. It spreads their palate and they're less likely to need

Starting point is 00:43:32 like wisdom teeth. Like, why is everybody getting a wisdom teeth pulled out, right? So that's kind of what she told me. Yeah, it's a Katrina's family to this. We had it for Max, you give him a piece of leather and they just chew on the leather. Really? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:44 Like it's just a leather strap, a leather strap, a leather chew on it. He used to do it. And also things that fuck it up are like pacifiers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The pacifier will mess up that, will end up getting like an overbite from sucking on it for two more days.

Starting point is 00:44:00 Yeah, it'll change the palette. Did you guys know, I learned this from Max Lugovier also. You know that mouthwash, mouthwash increases your risk of heart attacks, not heart attacks, a high blood pressure and heart disease in the future. Well, isn't it like, is it good at comparison? It's like doing mouthwash is like antibiotics for the mouth. So what happens is it goes in there and just fucking kills

Starting point is 00:44:23 everything. It does. Good at that. good in some cases It's good like like it can actually reduce viral load if you're like around sick people If you have an infection, I guess that's probably better than nothing, but using it regularly it destroys the bacteria in your mouth Which are responsible for producing what are called? nitrites and these nitrites they help produce nitric oxide. So they did a study where people used math wash post workout.

Starting point is 00:44:48 Yeah. And they compared them to people that didn't. The people that used it post workout had worse results, worse blood sugar levels, worse adaptations, everything, because they affected their body's ability to produce. No, isn't this same theory? It's very similar to like all the products

Starting point is 00:45:02 and stuff that you hear using your hair. Like, doesn't it kill that? Like you, by using certain sh all the products and stuff that you hear using your hair. Doesn't it kill that? By using certain shampoos and stuff that have certain chemicals in it, you're killing all that off. The oil that your body naturally produce in your hair, there's a lot. You shouldn't, basically, if you have one of those strong, chemical shampoos, you shouldn't do it like every day. Well, I mean, toothpaste, too, is kind of funny.

Starting point is 00:45:23 You know, toothpaste is all bullshit, man. Yeah, yeah, I remember first learning about that. Yeah. You don't, I mean, it's just use like the activated charcoal, right? Activated charcoal or nothing. You could just use water and it works the same. Just, yes. The difference is that it's scrubbing.

Starting point is 00:45:36 The toothpaste, it's foams up, you know, makes you feel like that. Does it really, is it really, that's the kind of condition to like it though? I know, okay, so now, is it really like just at the same like using just water brushing your teeth? Baking soda, I think. So you mean to tell me we've created like a billion dollar market on something that just doesn't even

Starting point is 00:45:52 isn't completely not necessarily. Yes it does. Really? Now the only difference is if you use product fact check in that dog plus there's like sugar in there. There's sugar. No, not sugar. There's artificial sweetener, but yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:04 Are there artificial sweetener? Not all though, right? Like I mean, come with like, tom's and stuff like that. That's what they, that's what we use. Or if we're using public goods, the reason that's flavor, it's like, you know, they're add some kind of sweetener. Right. Now, unless you use, like I just said, hydroxy, a petite, that's been shown to help remineralize fluoride. There's studies that show helps with cavities, but there's also controversy around that. What does that say? There's fluoride, there's studies that show helps with cavities, but there's also controversy around that.

Starting point is 00:46:24 What does that say? Toothpaste is not necessary to make your clean, teeth clean or healthy. Yeah, it was sound. Without toothpaste is just as effective in removing plaque. In some cases, it's more if I shut the fuck up. Yeah. Fuck, we're getting a hustle. One fucking left.

Starting point is 00:46:41 Right. Just taking left to right. Literally. Literally. Created. They lives whoever, what's the first toothpaste? What a brilliant son of a bitch. He invented. Armin Hammer.

Starting point is 00:46:51 He invented an entire market. Yeah. And he's just like soap for your mouth. How much, how much do we spend a year in toothpaste? Come on, give me some numbers here. I mean, it's crazy. You're using the kids toothpaste? It's a candy.

Starting point is 00:47:04 Strawberry flavor. Yeah, I remember when I was little, my brother, my mom used to have a watcher, because he would eat, yeah. Like no, no, no, don't eat it. Spin it out. Cause he used to like the thing. So in 2018, the US oral care market size was $8.2 billion.

Starting point is 00:47:20 I don't know if that's all toothpaste. Well, I mean, mouthwash the toothpaste to like the biggest freaking scams ever. Well, flossing actually makes the biggest difference. And that's y'all a toothpaste. Well, I mean, mouth-lossed toothpaste too, like the biggest friggin' scams ever. Well, flossing actually makes the biggest difference. And that's the thing that nobody does. Yeah, flossing. I'm a water-pick guy now. Yeah, more water-pick guys.

Starting point is 00:47:31 Those things are strong, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do the floss. Yeah, I have them in my bag and I use them all the time. Anyway, very interesting. I'd like to know about the Chupacabra just a little bit. Yeah, I know you have some facts on that. I did put that up there.

Starting point is 00:47:42 And I'm so interested in it. So here's the thing, you've heard of the Chupacabra, right now. Andrew knows all about, right? Andrew, Chupacabra just yeah, I know you have some facts on that up there. So here's the thing You've heard of the chipacabra. Yeah, Andrew knows all about right Andrew Cupacabra. Come on man He's not the chipacabra you've had it so apparently some lady Had not only okay, so on her ranch the typical signs of like the Chupacabra are that their livestock somehow get like their blood sucked out of them. Drained. This is drained.

Starting point is 00:48:12 It's a weird predatory habit that they've noticed this in a couple different ranches. And so they've all kind of described it as this kind of hairless creature that kind of looks like a main G kind of a dog or whatever. But it walks on Hindley, right? Well, I don't know. That's again, this is where everybody kind of creates their own version of it. But so she actually caught this creature and like somebody hit it with a car and so then they finally like were able to take it and get some DNA samples on it.

Starting point is 00:48:48 And so what they found was it's a hybrid mix between a American coyote and then a Mexican wolf. So it's a real animal? So it's a real animal, but they can't attribute its behaviors of like white feeds on blood specifically. Like it has like vampire like qualities to it like so they can't They can't like pin it down to that because there's no like real video evidence of it doing that specifically But they found it on the ranch and they've noticed it's it's coming in and out the official name of the animal now

Starting point is 00:49:21 Supercarver or they give it a different name. I don't know if that's just like a recent development in the crypto-zoology world. Wow. It's a real science. I'm still I still hold out. I think they're going to find big foot at some point. That's just the first one. You think so? No way, dude. Bro, the evidence is crazy. Really? Kind of.

Starting point is 00:49:44 No, that's really. It's kind of no really kind of crazy absent All these shows about it nobody catches they found hair yeah Smells Prince lots of lots of knocking trees. Yeah, I mean it would be so wild to even find Something like this at this point in our evolution. Oh yeah, so they, yeah, so that right there, they stuffed it and so it's like, she put it on display now, but it's a real, real animal. But you think about that in terms of mutations

Starting point is 00:50:13 in like hybrids, like, I'm sure, like, there's some messed up looking creatures out there. And they were going further, I was like, I was like reading about this, like how, I don't know, they, they were talking about scientists were talking about in terms of like what they actually think is still out there that we've never even discovered. It's like, it's, it's a lot like the percentage is really high of creatures they think are still, you know, in parts of the world that haven't been explored.

Starting point is 00:50:40 Yeah, we learn like every day a certain amount. Yeah, yeah, new, right? Yeah, there was one. I think it was a Tasmanian something that we thought was extinct. It was not that long ago and then we saw one of them. I mean, wouldn't it be sad that we just breed those tigers?

Starting point is 00:50:53 I think it's a Tasmanian tiger, maybe Doug could look at it. Yeah, so it looks kind of like, I guess they said that's a marsupial, which is weird, because it looks kind of like a tiger stripes on its back. Sometimes I love Justin, so it's so but yeah, I get into this stuff. Yeah, cuz he's a he's just weird as I am with some stuff Yeah, it's jaw it's jaw opens like a weird like an absurd length like it almost like it unhinges like a snake

Starting point is 00:51:19 Yep, yep, there it is like it's creepy look at, it's creepy. Look at that. Oh, yeah, look at the jump. Look at the jump. It's like, it's jumping. Look at that. The bite you're right in the butt. That is wild. It's a trip. Hey, so I got a cool, I got something that's really interesting article. I just, I just read this morning.

Starting point is 00:51:35 So this is, this is actually kind of fasting. So you guys familiar with these, what do they call the 4D ultra sounds they do on, on babies now? Yeah, yeah, that look all weird. Yeah, what's the fourth dimension? I mean, that's what they call it. Right. But did you get one?

Starting point is 00:51:47 Did they have one when you had your boys? Um, we just said it was like a 3D. I don't know if it was the 4D. Where you can like see their face and what it looks like. Yeah. Yeah, you can see. I think we do that forever. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:57 Okay. We did. Yeah. Really cool, right? Yeah. So we did one for Relius. We did one with the baby now, doll, yeah. And it's interesting because you can see features and stuff. So they're using this technology, and what they did is they're watching the baby's face

Starting point is 00:52:10 in real time in the womb, and then they're having the mom eat or take a capsule with strong flavors, like kale or carrots or beef, to see if there's a reaction on the baby's face. Oh wow. And you guys wanna hear something crazy? Yeah. The baby's react.

Starting point is 00:52:27 Babies make a disgusting face after eating kale. That's one of the things that they found. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha make a face like it's bitter or they like it. In the womb, while the mom's eating the thing, we're taking the capsule. How crazy is that? I mean, it's not actually that crazy when you think about it. We've talked about, we know already that what the mother eats is already affecting.

Starting point is 00:52:56 Look at this, scans conducted shortly after ingestion revealed that fetuses were more likely to make laughter faces when exposed to the taste of carrot and cry faces after encouraging kale or encountering kale, excuse me. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's wild. But it's so, I mean, this, this, so the study helps shed light on the development of

Starting point is 00:53:18 human tastes and smell receptors. And it could facilitate the development of healthy eating habits by familiarizing babies with certain foods. So you know what's gonna happen with this, right? Now logically you would think, well, mom's gonna eat healthy then, which she's pregnant, so that the baby can develop tastes for healthy foods.

Starting point is 00:53:37 But of course, I would take too much work and they're not gonna do that. So what are you think's gonna happen? Pills. Correct. There's gonna be a whole market for capsule. Supplements. Yes, where mom is gonna be like, all right, honey,

Starting point is 00:53:48 time for your kale, time for your whatever, and just take the capsules to kind of get the baby. Oh man, that'd be funny if they could have like that monitor, like as you're doing that real time and see that. Isn't that weird? I'm convinced that Maxis is so- I'd be like, I'm pretty good at you because of Katrina

Starting point is 00:54:06 and her diet during her pregnancy. She ate so dialed the entire pregnancy and I think that that's why. I mean, he eats everything. He eats everything. Yeah, anything we put in front of him. Is there nothing he didn't like? Nothing.

Starting point is 00:54:18 There's nothing that kid does not like. He really, yeah, he, you know what, I think that back. Eggs. Eggs don't sit well with him. Oh, weird. Oh, do think that back. Eggs don't sit well with them. Oh, weird. Oh, do they bother his guy? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:27 So he would get like red blotches on his face. Interesting. So we tried just yokes. I don't think Katrina did that. I think she just tried to introduce eggs a few times and then actually saw. Aralius was getting this kind of weird rash and we thought we're trying to figure out what it was. We're still not 100% what it is, but we removed egg whites because that's a very common one. So he just eats egg yolks. So I mean, because

Starting point is 00:54:48 I'm a sore, the nutrients are anyway. So in the morning, we make them two or three egg yolks. That's actually that's the only thing that he's not a, he's thrown up on it before. So I think that's why too. So he's thrown up on them and stuff. She's tried to introduce him multiple times. That is the only thing. Everything else. And I think she just hasn't really worried too much about it because the rest of his diet is so dialed. It's like if the kid doesn't have a black and eggs, it doesn't like eggs. So she tried enough times where she was kind of like whatever about it. But everything, I mean, he'll eat raw fish. He'll eat, I mean, he'll eat damn near anything, dude. So it's wild. And I really think that has a lot to

Starting point is 00:55:17 do with just, I mean, Katrina was so dialed in when she was, when she was pregnant. Yeah. A really is just anything neat loves me and will eat the hell out of me. She made him liver. Yesterday. Liver by itself. There was nothing in it. It was liver and salt.

Starting point is 00:55:34 Oh, not even mixed, huh? No, pure on liver. And he just crushed chicken liver, a whole thing. Wow. So she's gonna give them like a liver once a month or something like that. Cause you know, so, so, so nutrient-dancing, you don't want to give a kid. Yeah, it's liver too much iron or whatever.

Starting point is 00:55:48 But once a month, he'll throw down a liver now. I don't like it. Get on him, dude. No, is that great? Yeah, that's great. Anyway, so Justin, are those, those are fury. Yeah. They make cast and realize that camo pants.

Starting point is 00:56:01 I know. I didn't know that. Yeah, dude. No, there's a rip stop. There's a rip stop. Yeah, so it's. That's the one you want. I've had a few pairs of these, but yeah, the camo was cool. It's interesting.

Starting point is 00:56:12 Let me see the bottoms of them. Why don't you stand up and show everybody what's going on here. Look at this. Oh, yeah. Wait, don't make it weird. Yeah. Just show the pants. I like the rip stop. I work out in the rip stop, and then I wear the, I don't remember what these are called. Just show the pants. I like the rip stop.

Starting point is 00:56:25 I work out in the rip stop, and then I wear the, I don't remember what these are called. Not a good model. Are you two X in those? I think I'm XL. Oh, you're XL. I saw I'm two X in those, and then I X in the butt. And then a little comparison thing you see, you just did.

Starting point is 00:56:38 Yeah, I see. I'm bigger than the big guy. I'm a quadruple. I knew you're not on IG. Did you know I had jabbed it to you last week? No, I had the university shirts that does wear right now, the new one. And I was wearing it. I'm like, for all of you big guys that are my size,

Starting point is 00:56:56 this is what an Excel looks like. Because you're smaller like sell, it's a large. Oh, I'm gonna get it from Instagram. I miss all that stuff. Yeah, I miss all that stuff. I miss that. Yeah, it's more fun when I know you're watching. I toyed with the idea of getting back on Instagram for a second. Yeah, why don't you do it? Do the real thing? Because I know. Maybe mine pumps out like something. Just there's a piece of me that's just so annoyed. You know what I mean? Like I have to play your stupid game. I know, but it makes it's no fun for me to. I now I feel like all I'm doing is picking on Justin all the time.

Starting point is 00:57:25 Yeah, it's like, I get over it. Yeah. He's less mad. He's less fun to make fun of. He's like, I don't give shit. Yeah. He's a fire bad. Rrr.

Starting point is 00:57:36 I don't know. He's mad. No. Sometimes. Did you see the last video that I made fun of Justin? Did you, I don't know you saw that either? Did you? There's a video of, is like, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:57:47 I wanna say it's in the, a wins lady goddess. But yeah, like the super fan, I get so up and dance is what they're afraid to. And you know how many people have really thought that was you? I had so many people like me. I mean, that ain't close. I didn't think so either, but I got a hell of people going like, Justin really did that, like oh my gosh.

Starting point is 00:58:03 Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure those kind of skills. I got a hell of people going like Justin really did that like oh my god. Oh yeah. Those kind of skills you know you are a good dancer Justin don't pretend I am best. I got to get a few beverages in me first The best one of the group for sure Adam What's this thing about the Patagonia founder? Did we talk about this? I think this is pretty interesting. Oh, no, we didn't and you know what like okay That's it's a little old news. It's a week old now know we didn't and you know what? Okay, that's it's a little old news. It's a week old now. The Patagonia founder came out and just said that he is a hundred percent

Starting point is 00:58:36 donating all proceeds when he passes of Patagonia to to fighting climate change. So all his money? Yes. When he dies, go to give all his money to Greta Thunberg. How dare you. So really? Yes. So what are your thoughts on it? Because I actually, it's his money. So, I mean, of course, that's such the political answer.

Starting point is 00:58:52 Yeah, but that's so vague though, like, where specifically does that end up? Yeah. So that's a big one. Okay. Oh, so also okay. Somebody who is that talented to build something that big and create that much wealth, I feel like you could do so much more with it that will impact the environment positively

Starting point is 00:59:12 than just coming out and saying something like that. Donating it to the same. Who knows what's under what they're gonna do? I mean, I hate criticizing stuff like that. It's definitely, I tell you what, it's definitely getting people are all, I mean, I even saw in our forum. I saw some people say, oh, that's stupid.

Starting point is 00:59:24 They're stoked on it or? Yeah, yeah, people are stoked on it. I saw some people say oh that's good. They're stoked on it Yeah, yeah people are stoked on it. I saw some people say yeah, but I saw some people criticize and say this He's avoiding taxes somehow, which I don't I don't understand if he was a Well for some for maybe first kids. I don't know it was someone made some point I kind of really pay attention. Okay, so I mean look here's a deal I Stuff like this. It's your money. Okay. Do what you want Now if it was me and I wanted to fight climate change and I don't know if he's doing this or not But I would take my money and I would invest heavily in energy technology

Starting point is 00:59:54 Innovation that's how you need to that's how you say somebody with that much power that much money that much talent to build something like that You would be better. I mean, that's why I like Elon Musk so much right? So somebody who doesn't need any more money, he could also cash his chips at, he could also say like, Hey, Tesla's all goes to climate change. That's it. Or he could take his brain and his skills and build a company that actually does something that he could potentially really change the world, right? So, you know, to me, it's a, it's a massive virtue signal.

Starting point is 01:00:22 That's what it is. I mean, that's what I, that's the read I get on something like that. Because then there's kids and stuff. I don't know. Just look them up, Doug. That's where we have a producer. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:32 I was actually deep into the Patagonia stuff. What was your question on that? So he's asking if the kids, what are you getting to the bottom right now? Oh, well, I mean, one of the things I'd heard too is Patagonia's clothing is largely a lot of petroleum-based products. So I heard that too. So I thought that was an interesting thing. I was just doing some research on that.

Starting point is 01:00:52 So his kids, I do believe he has children. So that's the irony too. I heard that saying that Doug just said, is that, so it's like you have this largely-based petroleum-based clothing line. How about you do a different clothing line? So actually this could be a good, this actually starts, could spark a good conversation. largely based petroleum based like clothing wine, like how would you do a different clothing wine this way? This could be a good, this actually start

Starting point is 01:01:06 interesting. It could spark a good conversation. Let's say you guys had a billion dollars when you died. Yeah. Would you leave all of it to your family? Or would you take, or would you leave some of it? I wouldn't leave any just to my family. I would set my family up with things,

Starting point is 01:01:22 but I would not just give money to my family. What do you mean, how would you set them up? Like either through other businesses, right? So ideally, even what we're building right now, right? Like my son would hopefully manage the real estate portfolio and be in like, have to be in the business working and scaling and growing it. Like he wouldn't just get, and like,

Starting point is 01:01:40 he would get the proceeds of while he's alive and from it, but he couldn't just go take, I would set it up like a trust to where he couldn't go and just sell it and just walk away, and with $100 million and then like, no way, there's no way I would do that. I get torn like I think to myself like, because I almost feel like that could ruin their ability

Starting point is 01:01:59 to like take care for themselves and to find, I don't know, meaning it depends. If you do a good job, I feel like as fathers of raising them on some of the principles of hard work and finding their way. And here's the reality, I forget the stats on this, but it's actually, unfortunately, unlikely

Starting point is 01:02:19 that my son will even want to do any of the things that are ours. So, and that's kind of it, is like, I hope I can provide an opportunity and good lessons while he's raising that he has an opportunity to step in the family business and take it to the next level or do more with it. But I'm also not gonna not be supportive of him

Starting point is 01:02:37 if he's like, I don't wanna do my own thing. Like that's you, like that's your legacy, that's your thing you build stuff like that. Oh, I wouldn't respect that too. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's because it was it worn buffet like he doesn't Yeah, his kids don't get like nothing. I mean they get like some kind of safe Is that what is like a million? I think the other million is like a safety now Yeah, and I kind of like that in terms of like them being able to find their own purpose and their own clear path

Starting point is 01:03:00 But like to for me to Provide, you know all of of this, like, just excess. I would have, I don't know, man, I wouldn't think that I'm setting them up. No, you turn them into a spoiled brat. You'd be like a one in a million chance they don't turn into like a spoiled... I like the million things. It feels like trust fund babies. A million is not bad because...

Starting point is 01:03:21 Yeah, like, fun, a business venture of some sorts, but there has to be some kind of like stipulations behind it. Yeah, I like something like that like you You know I could give you a loan and but you'd have to come to me with a good business plan I'd also Position it like a real you know loan and a real potential partner. That's a cool quote right there Yeah, Warren Buffett is quoted by saying the perfect inheritance is enough money. So that children, children feel they can do anything, but not so much that they could do nothing. That's really that's why I said I was just getting raised a million

Starting point is 01:03:53 as a good number because a million is you're not living off of a million dollars to the rest of your life. But it's enough to start a business. And it's also enough to potentially wipe out any student loans, get you out of any sort of like that. Also put down a nice down payment on a really nice house or pay a house off completely. So at least you're like, you are safe and you're starting with a good head start, but you're not set, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:04:14 So I like that. I mean, I could see myself doing something like that where I leave a piece of money like that to where I'm giving them a head start, but I'm not setting them up so much that they literally could do nothing. It would be like one of those movies where the guy dies and then he leaves like riddles and shit for their kids to get there.

Starting point is 01:04:34 Well, isn't there another stat that's out there for like how many generations it takes to like squander wealth like that? Have you heard that Doug before? I've heard that. Like the third generation they say. They do, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:47 So it's like our sons will have been a part of seeing what we've done and built. And so they tend to carry it on a little bit, but the third generation is so disconnected from grandpa that they don't value it the same way and they tend to spoil it and fuck it off and just destroy it or whatever. I can't remember what I read. Yeah. So there's a staggering 70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the next generation.

Starting point is 01:05:09 With 90% losing it, the generation after that. Wow, man, that's amazing. So you're doing them a huge, just service by giving them a lot of wealth. Yeah, that's essentially what you're doing. Yeah, basically. Because they just, they don't learn how to, have a hundred percent by the third generation

Starting point is 01:05:24 and 70 by a second generation. No, no, 70 for the first, 90 by the second. Mm-hmm. That's what you said. Oh, I thought you said 70 by the, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like our son, our son has a 70% chance of blowing our shit. Yeah, 70% that's crazy.

Starting point is 01:05:39 And 90, his kid. Yep. Maybe, I thought about this, I would say something like, hey kids, you get a million dollars after you make your first million or something like that. You can do that. You can make a trust and put rules in there and say, you get this money after you do this or this.

Starting point is 01:05:55 So you can kind of prove yourself. Yeah, the only problem with that is then you're basically telling them they have to go into entrepreneurship. Like what if your kid ends up wanting to be an artist or a teacher or something that's never gonna make that kind of money? They're gonna get the money. That's it, you found that money's not important? Well, the other thing is a cool way it would be

Starting point is 01:06:13 to just provide, which I think is probably a lot of really wealthy people do is just provide the shelter, right? So like day in here at a sick house. It's like you just get a house, you know? You get your house, your house is. I don't know. I go back and forth on this, you know, what I would do. Because I don't want, I don't want,

Starting point is 01:06:30 you know, my family to be, to just not find that meaning, not build anything themselves, to not get that the value of that. But at the course at the same time, it was a really strong desire to take care of my family, right? That's inside, a whole inside struggle.

Starting point is 01:06:45 So I go back and forth on what that would look like. I think the secret, and I really like, remember when we interviewed Ben Greenfield, and they had the family, the legacy sort of set up. I think that's so, if you're gonna be that small 5% that make it three, four, five generations, I think that there's gotta to be someone in the family as a leader.

Starting point is 01:07:06 I really want to be this in my family. I really want to be the person in my family that kind of sets this going forward. That like you're proud of your last, you're very proud to be a shaker. This is what shafers do. We act like this. We have integrity.

Starting point is 01:07:19 We work hard. We don't hold the fine. It's very, yeah, like it's really, like the people that I've met that are from families like this are the ones that I see that have this generational success is because somebody in the family has created this

Starting point is 01:07:35 for the family and it gets passed out and there's tremendous pride in that name. I hear carrying that legacy. I hear stories from my aunt. She does estate planning and she, you know, when people die, where's the money go all that stuff? She said, you would be blown away by when somebody dies and has millions to leave, the fighting and the shit

Starting point is 01:07:58 that goes on between. Even when there's a will. Oh, bro, she's told me stories and I'm like, I can't believe. Especially if it's not clearly defined, it's sort of like, oh no, even if it is clearly defined. If it's clearly defined,. I'm like, I can't believe it. Especially if it's not clearly defined, it's sort of like, Oh, no, even if it is clearly defined. If it's clearly defined, it is still good.

Starting point is 01:08:08 Crazy. It's like, if it's not, you're guaranteed. It's gonna get like, Well, guaranteed. Yeah, yeah. It was crazy. Yeah, dude, did you guys see, so I don't know, did you send this article to me

Starting point is 01:08:18 as one about China being able to get some kind of mineral from the moon and trying to use that to usher in the vision fusion. Yeah. That's the race. Is that real? This is a big energy race going on right now. People don't realize this, but we had the big nuclear race.

Starting point is 01:08:36 We had this is the next frontier. The first country to create energy cheaply, effectively and cleanly, which Fusion has that promise. The first country to do that will be the superpower of the world. They will be. So this is a big deal. That's crazy going on right now. No wonder we created Space Force.

Starting point is 01:08:55 Yeah, it makes sense now. Dude, did you see Space Force? Don't they have like... There's a card, no, a card. Hold on, don't they have like, camo? Like, why do you get camo here in Space? It should be black, is that true? Is it true? Is it black with a colorful specks of light? Is in space? Yeah, she's really nice that true. Is it true?

Starting point is 01:09:05 Is she a black with a couple specks of light? Is it true? Yeah, I think so. Like blue Camo or something. Yeah, it was something like that. Like what do you what do you blend in? What are you hiding from? That's kind of funny.

Starting point is 01:09:14 That's a bit that is a bit comical, right? Yeah, that emblem looks like Star Trek, you see it? Yeah, we have a little Star Trek emblem. Did whatever happened to that show that was like a knockoff like it's terrible, dude. Like I was hoping for that. I was to that show that was like a knockout. Like it's terrible, dude. Like, I was hoping for that. I was Steve Carell and Ryan. I thought, was Steve Carell and I thought the story would be so.

Starting point is 01:09:30 I just, I don't know, I think Space Force would be sick. It didn't hook me, it didn't hook me. It had all of the makings of a hilarious sitcom didn't happen. That's Space Force right there? That is Space Force. Looks like they got a camel. Yeah. There's jungles in space apparently. Yeah, there is. I don't know if they're gonna be in space, we don't know what Space Force is space force. Looks like they got a camel. Yeah. There's jungles in space apparently.

Starting point is 01:09:46 Yeah, there is. I don't know if they're gonna be in space. We don't know what space force gonna do. Obviously they're gonna be on the ground too, so maybe that's what's going on. Yeah, who knows? Those are on the ground space force. This is interesting.

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Starting point is 01:10:56 but not bulk the legs? Hip thrust. Next question. The end. I mean, really, that's, I mean, also all the rest, okay, and good mornings. Yeah, I think you got to go. Okay, so when people say bulk, the legs, they're usually talking about the quads. I almost, I only have ever encountered, and this is probably a female. I've almost never encountered. I think I ever have encountered

Starting point is 01:11:18 a woman that said my hamstrings are getting to good point. Good point. Good point. So all dead lives would be in there too. Yeah, so deadlifts, stiff legged deadlifts, Romanian stiff legged, single leg, hip thrust, like all of those don't really hit the quads. Yeah. They work the posterior chain, the hamstrings and the glutes. And you could do all those exercises and not get lots of development, if any,

Starting point is 01:11:39 in the quads, lots of development, in the hamstrings or the glutes, but also keep in mind, you're gonna to do some kind of split stance squatting and squatting just to maintain that technique and that skill because it's a fundamental skill. Doesn't mean you need to train it hard or you need to go super heavy, but just enough to maintain that skill, that strength, protect the knees, keep your body moving well. But that's pretty much it.

Starting point is 01:12:02 I've never had, have you guys ever had a female client be like, my hamstrings are getting bigger? No, I think that's a really good, that's a great point you're making to that. It's so true, not only that, but I would make the case that, so what I used to tell bikini competitors that I would train was that the hamstring glute tie-in

Starting point is 01:12:20 is like what wind shows for women. Yeah. And a lot of that is just, most people have very underdeveloped hamstrings. It's not a lot of people know what to do, very few people deadlift. And so there's just not a lot of exercises in the gym. And so I think for the most part,

Starting point is 01:12:37 hamstrings are neglected in comparison to like quad exercises. So you're right. I don't think I've ever met anybody who has had overdeveloped hamstrings. It's just such a good look to develop that more anyway. So I mean, I guess that order for me would be traditional deadlifts, sumo deadlifts, and hip thrust and good mornings.

Starting point is 01:12:58 You could rotate those four big movements. And you can post your hip-hinging movement at that point that avoids the answer, like the, you know, the anterior. So we, uh, this was actually a challenge for my ex. She was a competitor, um, before Katrina Wright. Uh, she was, uh, she had these just crazy dominant legs. And like the her coach had her completely eliminate all loaded barbell dumbbell, anything

Starting point is 01:13:22 for her quad. She, what she did do to maintain was she had sprints and she had a body weight walking lunges. Mm. So body weight walks maybe, maybe, sled drives, if you want to interchange the heel sprints with sled drives. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:36 So that'd be enough to keep that back. Just some stimulus, yeah. Yeah, that pattern, although I would do light slits, because you could build on sled drives. You can, you could definitely build on sled drives. Especially for, especially're like genetically, you know, you respond very quickly in the quads But I mean I think the thing that with running hillsprints and or walking lunges is that's so functional You know, I'm saying like that's it like you're that that that coordination to do that the stability component that goes in there You're getting enough stimulation on the quads that they're not gonna, and especially that's a muscle you already think

Starting point is 01:14:06 is overdeveloped, you're not gonna lose much from that, and you're definitely not gonna gain a lot of mass doing that. So I think those are really good movements. But I will say this too, just a comment on this, and this definitely can exist, but it's usually not the case. When I've had a female client worry about bulking the legs, it's just because her body fat was too high. And when she got leaner, she was very happy. Women tend to store body fat in the lower body. And in the legs in particular,

Starting point is 01:14:35 hips and legs. And once they got lean, they were very happy because developed quads on a woman who's at a healthy body fat percentage looks phenomenal. It's a really nice look to the legs as well. It's not like it looks bad, but if you store body fat and you've got muscle, you can definitely feel like you're too big, you're too bottom heavy or my quads are looking too big. It's probably supposed to be a little out of balance. Yeah, the women that I know that didn't like this. I mean, it's usually not the case that the quads are actually too big. Well, you know, I mean, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:15:05 Usually, I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, I think that there's a lot of women that are very quad dominant. And they, and when they do things like squatting and stuff like that, they, the quads are just blowing up, then they have kind of a small butt or a flat butt. And then they have these massive legs. I mean, I trained a lot of women that, that was their, that was their thing. Was they had a hard time?

Starting point is 01:15:24 I mean, that's why it wasn't that the legs were too big. It was the imbalance. Is what I'm trying to say. women that was their thing, was they had a hard time. I mean, that's why. But it wasn't that the legs were too big, it was the imbalance, is what I'm trying to say. The same difference, right? Well, not necessarily. Like, you know, people who are like, oh my God, my legs are so big. It's like, well, once we balance your body out,

Starting point is 01:15:36 that size you already have is fine. It's not that you shrink them, you know, because I think the answer to them is like, I wanna make them smaller. Oh, I don't know, yeah, I don't think they necessarily want to go smaller per se I think they just want to reap the benefits of all their squatting and Bulgarian split squad and all their exercise are doing into their butt and see it there and not so much in their Swads and so I think that's that or at least that's my experience with training this type of a person and the movements that we just said is the move You know is is to pretty much eliminate, I mean definitely eliminate all leg pressing, front

Starting point is 01:16:09 squats, even barbell back squats, hack squats, like you don't need to know that stuff. For just do some body weight, walking lunges, and then the rest is all post to your chain. The rest is deadlifts, sumo deadlifts, Romanian deadlifts, your conventional deadlifts, your good mornings and your hip thrust. You build your entire lower body routine around that and you're going to have some good looking legs and you're going to build some glutes. Next question is from Jake Howsell. One, I have the Maps Esthetic Program.

Starting point is 01:16:36 It's great, but I have a hard time getting through all the workouts on foundational days. I get tired and still have three workouts left usually. Do I have the wrong program? So I'm assuming you need to exercise. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's probably wrong for you. Look, if you're doing a program, I don't care if it's our program or another program,

Starting point is 01:16:53 and you're like struggling to get through it, not appropriately struggling. Workouts should be hard, but I mean, you're like, you're dredging yourself through it, and you're starting to feel fried throughout the day from it. You feel exhausted the day after. You're really sore. It's not right for you. It's just too much. And Mapsesthetic, you know, here's a deal. We wrote Mapsesthetic. It's a high volume, where it's volume city. It is too much volume for me often, even. So people need to realize that

Starting point is 01:17:22 with Mapsesthetic. Maps ballac is more appropriate for most people This happens this I see this happening in our community when we have somebody who let's say Comes on it starts listening to mind pump and maybe's only been listening to show for a short period of time And then they go looking for a program, you know, and then they they go to the program that That they go oh they had to identify with. Oh, I like, I want to go to a static person. So I go to a static, right? Versus, and it's not their fault. I don't think we communicate this enough

Starting point is 01:17:51 and we don't definitely don't have it on the website. But when we wrote, you know, anabolic performance and aesthetic, they were designed to go in that order. No matter what, even if you are a competitor and you want to be a physique guy or girl, like I still think you should go through anabolic performance and then move into aesthetic.

Starting point is 01:18:09 It's, we designed it to slowly ramp the volume up and to be ready for that when you get into aesthetic. And it's not like doing performance and anabolic is gonna hinder your aesthetics. So if you think that you identify with, you know, the aesthetic program, but you've never done any of our programs, I highly recommend you go and a ball of performance

Starting point is 01:18:29 and then it's a- No, I'm gonna say this right now. 85% of the people who watch and listen to the show, including fitness enthusiasts, the volume in maps and a ball of is appropriate. 20 to 25% aesthetic in split would be appropriate. Okay, everybody else, aesthetics too much volume. That's just straight up.

Starting point is 01:18:47 I follow the aesthetic and when I have everything dialed in and I feel really good, I can get through it and it works. If anything's off for me and I have a lot of training experience, I've been doing this for a long time. So my body's got pretty damn good recovery compared to the average person. It's too much volume. Now, so let's say you go a mapsetabolic,

Starting point is 01:19:05 mass performance, mapsetetic, and you get to aesthetic, and you feel like shit, you feel too sore, if the same is true. Cut the volume, that's all you get to do, take the program, and instead of doing three sets or four sets on an exercise, do two sets, or one set, and just cut the volume down and see how you feel, like this person right here doing mapsetetic,

Starting point is 01:19:23 cut the volume down by a third, and if that doesn't help, cut it down by another third, see how you feel. Like this person right here doing maps aesthetic, cut the volume down by a third, and if that doesn't help, cut it down by another third. See how you feel. But if you feel this way, it's just not appropriate, regardless of what program you're following, even if it's a program that we created. Next question is from Pato F. Blanc. I hate crunches.

Starting point is 01:19:38 What are some good choices for athletic and functional core exercises? So athletic and functional. You know my favorite, one of my favorite types of core exercises for just function, involve rotation. I think rotation is one of the most functional, athletic, I guess, movement patterns at the core,

Starting point is 01:20:00 aside from stabilizing, right, that it's involved in. So cable chops, band chops, lots of different directions. Counter, you know, counter rotation, is really good for stabilization. So that's like where you have like a cable, arms close to your body, and then you pull it out this way. So, it's a pile of press. Yeah, what's that called?

Starting point is 01:20:18 Pell, pow, or a pile of press. Of press, okay. But yeah, I agree. It's really hard to program in rotation for most exercises. And this is an area for court. I'm always like trying to make sure that this is going to be an area where I'm going to add in rotational movements like cable chops or I'm going to add in like cable chops or I'm going to add in like a landmine rotation, trunk rotations. I'm going to do stuff with the medicine ball where I'm doing a side toss with the medicine ball to make sure I get some power in there as well as some core rotation. So that's honestly for me, that's usually where I

Starting point is 01:21:02 end up going for the most part for core to begin with because I hate crunches as well But I'd rather do probably decline sit-ups or something like that where I can focus I mean I agreed with you Justin and I'm like this person to like I'm not a big fan of I'm Sal is by far the most you know the biggest cruncher in here So the very crunchy. Yeah, you know what when you didn't say that I really like doing, it's less athletic per se, although I still think it has tremendous athletic benefits, because medicine to all ball toss to me is, I think we all agree rotational stuff for your forenabs is, for athletic endeavors, is probably one of the best things you do.

Starting point is 01:21:42 Medicine ball toss and or wood chops, I think are both great examples. I really like what I enjoy because I don't like doing this type of stuff, was getting strong at windmills. Yeah, windmills are great. Yeah. So because it has an anti-rotation component to it, that it has a regular rotation and strength component to it, like you have to-

Starting point is 01:22:00 You're getting some of what? It's mostly QL, but that's all core stabilization. Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, you still get, well, you start getting heavier and heavier and heavier, you'll definitely get oblique in there for sure. Yeah, no, you'll get, I mean, it's a, that's why I really,

Starting point is 01:22:13 I did not do it thinking that I would get good core ab work that was not my thought process when I was, went into getting good at the windmills. That was something that I found, I, the benefits I got from it though was that. So I think that's a fun one to like, get good at and add into it. You know, it's interesting when you look

Starting point is 01:22:31 at people's core workouts, there's a over emphasis and over development on abs and a complete under emphasis on both the external and internal oblique. And here's fun. Now it's all important. Okay, so I want to be clear, all the muscles internal obliques. And here's fun. Now, it's all important. Okay, so I want to be clear, all the muscles that stabilize the core.

Starting point is 01:22:48 And right now, we're focusing on the front side of the core because there's also muscles that wrap around. And there's even the lats are involved in course stability to some extent, but let's just talk about the front. When people talk about core, they're talking about abs and obliques, right? In athletic endeavors and for stabilization and protecting the spine,

Starting point is 01:23:04 the internal external obliaks are arguably more important. Really, really effective athletes tend to have really well-developed bleaks. Obliques are super important. When you look at most people's workouts, they involve an ab exercise and nothing for the obliques usually, or two or three ab exercise, and maybe one afterthought for the obliques.

Starting point is 01:23:23 I think that's a mistake. I know why they do it. They do it that way because people think the obliques. I think that's a mistake. I know why they do it. They do it that way because people think the obliques are on the side of the body, it's gonna make my waist tell a big. Not gonna happen. You're lucky if you add a fraction of an inch to the size of your waist because you've built your obliques.

Starting point is 01:23:36 But now you've got these really nice looking strong obliques, which really add to the aesthetics of the body. So really, I think if you're going to do a core workout and you're going to program it, I think you should have more of a two to one oblique to ab ratio with your exercise. And not the other way around. That's just my personal belief, but I think there's much more function in having really strong stable oblique than just having abs. Next question is from live and breathe. Do you believe in discipline or motivation?

Starting point is 01:24:05 And what is your definition of each one? Of course, I think we've been up. Do you believe in anything? Do you believe in them? I mean, this person is that. No, I just think this person's chimed in late because I mean, for the longest time, we used to shit all over the motivation.

Starting point is 01:24:19 Yeah. I just think that's a... I mean, they exist. In terms of it being overrated. Well, I mean, it's it's so heavy in our So so we came out early and talked a lot about all the hype, you know, the the beast mode the all-out the videos with the music behind it I mean, there's a reason why you don't see us do all that stuff get inspired. Yeah, motivating first off Motivation the feeling of motivation is intoxicating and it's amazing. And I've never had to, you know, talk a client into a workout.

Starting point is 01:24:50 I've never had to convince a client to work out harder or to eat better when they're motivated. A motivated client is an amazing client. They just do everything and they want to. And in fact, you have to pull them away or pull them back from doing too much because that feeling's so amazing. So I understand why people rely on that feeling

Starting point is 01:25:08 because when you do it, it's effortless. You just do all this great stuff for yourself because you're so motivated, but it goes away. It doesn't exist all the time. It's nitrous for an engine. It's nitrous for an engine. It's really nice. I mean, because I would not deny that there's not moments

Starting point is 01:25:26 where I'm like, oh man, I've watched you work out video. That gets me hyped and motivated to go to the gym. You watch me adjust and work out? Yeah, so. But what I'm very aware of what I'm doing, how I'm using it, and I'm also very aware that I never want to rely on that to get me to do those things. And that's why I say why you gotta build the engine.

Starting point is 01:25:46 You gotta through discipline and hard work and consistency and getting up when I don't wanna do those things. Doesn't mean that I don't see value in getting yourself fired up and hyped up. The problem is is so many people rely on that and they need that in order to get them up to do things. And then when that's not present or when a a hard day comes, or a challenge happens,

Starting point is 01:26:06 which is inevitable, they fold. They fold like a lawn chair. They don't have any sort of discipline that they've built in their life to get them through those moments. So that's my opinion on the whole motivation versus the discipline thing is that you absolutely need discipline

Starting point is 01:26:23 to be successful in your life. And anything. Yeah. Yeah. And all pursuits, you build that first. And then, okay, the motivation could be the nitrous on it that you add, you know, man, I'm getting ready to get it work out. And I want to push extra hard days.

Starting point is 01:26:37 I'm going to fire up a catalyst for you, right? Like maybe the motivation is the thing that sort of tips you over. And then, but in order to sustain anything, you have to create and build these disciplines that'll carry you through all the times that you're not gonna have that energy source, that motivation that just drives you like it did initially, it's just not gonna be there.

Starting point is 01:26:58 So what do you do on those days? You gotta think about that. Yeah, discipline is what gets you to do what you need to do every single day. Motivation, when it pops up, that's when you get breakthroughs. That's when you do, you have new achievements faster than you could have before.

Starting point is 01:27:16 So when motivation occurs, it's amazing, grab onto it, have a good time. When it goes away, what's left is discipline. Discipline is what's left over. And here's the, here's the kicker. Here's what's great about this. Discipline increases the amount of times you get motivated. Yeah. Okay. So if you like motivation, creates freedom. One of the best ways to get that feeling of motivation to occur more often is to be disciplined. Now, if you just wait for for motivation and you act upon it and you love it

Starting point is 01:27:46 and then it goes away and you stop, you're less likely, you're actually less likely to feel those periods of motivation. That's the irony of the whole thing. Well, I like how you said that it's, and I think it's important to point it out is that it's intoxicating. And that's the part I think I don't like it.

Starting point is 01:28:01 It's one of my favorite, besides falling in love, can you think of a feeling that is more incredible than that extreme feeling of inspiration? I'm charged to go. There's nothing better than that. That's why we love those movies and that's why we all gravitate to those.

Starting point is 01:28:15 Well, you get the chills when you get Instagram pages and everyone falls them. It's, but, I mean, you're falling into a trap if you use that stuff all the time to try to get you to do this. Now, here's where it gets interesting, right? Why is motivation then? So why do we revolve around it so much in the fitness health fat loss wellness space?

Starting point is 01:28:37 Why has motivation talked about, why do we advertise to it? Why do we sell products around it? Well, here's why. It is easy as hell to sell you something when I get when I make you feel that feeling of motivation. That's the bottom line. If I get somebody who wants to lose 40 pounds and then whatever, something happens, think of that spark of inspiration, that spark of motivation. And then they walk into my gym and I can sense it and I can feel it. Man, I could sell you anything. I can make you buy all the five year membership,

Starting point is 01:29:06 supplements, personal training, you know, access to all the gym, all that stuff. I could do that. So the fitness space, just like any market, knows the most effective way to sell you something is to give you that feeling of inspiration, that feeling of motivation, because you're gonna act emotionally.

Starting point is 01:29:22 It gets better than that, it gets better than that, because we know, and this is why, again, I don't like it, especially in our space, is this statistic show that 80% chance you're going to fail, especially if you don't have the real tools, especially if you don't get to the root cause of how you got there.

Starting point is 01:29:39 And so if I am a company, a fitness company, and I use motivation to get you going, I know that eight out of 10 people are gonna fail, and then you'll come right back to me again because you'll be motivated again, and I just keep making money off of you, selling you bullshit, and not ever really helping you get to the root cause of how did you get to this place,

Starting point is 01:29:58 and then how do you now fix that? Instead, I just need to hype you up and get you excited. If I get you excited, then you're gonna buy my supplement, and you're gonna buy my program, and you're gonna buy my thing, and you're gonna do it, and then you're gonna fall off, not do it again. You're gonna be unmotivated, then I'm gonna hype you up again, and it's just a brilliant business model

Starting point is 01:30:15 that the fitness space makes so much more. It's actually, it's like 85% fail rate after a year. Yeah, that's why it's a brilliant model, and that's why so many fitness people adopt it as a way of selling. So you know, it's interesting because this applies to everything. It applies to workouts, it replies to business,

Starting point is 01:30:29 it applies to relationships. We often get asked how the hell you guys can all work. It's four of you guys are all kind of different. How do you guys all work together and how have you guys been able to work together for so long? I'll tell you right now, motivation is like the feeling that you get when you really like someone and you wanna hang out with them

Starting point is 01:30:47 or you get that feeling of love with that partner. Discipline is like you're married. Look, I don't like, we don't like each other right now, but we're gonna do the work anyway because I value this relationship and this is life long, right? So how do we all get along? I'll tell you why because I love how disciplined you guys are. So I mean, truth be be told I don't like you guys sometimes. I know you guys don't like me sometimes guess what we do

Starting point is 01:31:09 We show up to work and we do what we need to do and we respect each other over You know what I'm saying could you imagine if this business was run off of Motivation and liking everything. I mean come on Adam and I would have broken up 15 times right now I know so I mean yeah It's just funny to listen because you brought up relationships and the whole time listening, I had this in really terrible analogy the whole time.

Starting point is 01:31:31 I didn't launch it, but I was like, literally, like, they're into me. It was like being horny. I'm like, it's just a thing, that's love. Yeah, right? So that's, oh my God, it's so hard. Are you horny?

Starting point is 01:31:47 Are you horny? Don't ever hold your analogies in. Don't ever hold your analogies in. Never again, I'm sorry. You have the best analogies. It's just think about that. If you want long, look, here's a deal. If you want long-term success in anything,

Starting point is 01:31:57 but especially in health and fitness, build habits and build discipline. And then when the motivation comes, welcome it with open arms, enjoy it while it's there, and be okay and accept the fact that it's gonna be gone at some point. But what's left with you is a skill of discipline that nobody could take away from you.

Starting point is 01:32:14 So stick with that. Motivation is bullshit, self-belief is everything. That's it, look, if you love the show, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our free stuff. We made a lot of free guides for all of our listeners that can help with all kinds of fitness and health goals. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at MindPump Justin.

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