Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1923: How to Know if Your Training Volume is Ideal for Your Body, Ways to Improve Knee Stability, How to Get a Christmas Tree Back & More

Episode Date: October 14, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Parallel bar dips are BETTER than the bench press. (2:00) Old-time feats of strength giants. (12:29) The benefits of resistance training for the older population. (18:45) Massive troll or real? (22:07) Justin gets roasted over his Star Wars knowledge. (29:06) Why Doug has been glowing lately. (34:03) The downside to Magic Spoon. (35:08) Social media use and its connection to higher rates of mental disorders. (37:31) The different levels of metal. (47:56) How Sal is fighting father time. (51:04) The origins of vegetable oil. (52:34) Dad life updates with the guys. (57:02) #Quah question #1 - How to get the Christmas tree back, especially the lower back/lower lats? (1:05:02) #Quah question #2 - What is your favorite way to strengthen knee stability? I can squat conventionally in the 400s with great form and depth. I recently tried Bulgarian split squats and was shocked by how unstable my knees were and how low I had to bring the weight to maintain proper form. (1:09:47) #Quah question #3 - Can you do too much low-intensity cardio? I'm currently in a muscle-building phase, averaging around 17k steps a day, my strength is going up, but my weight is the same. Should I decrease my steps or not worry about it? (I'm 17yo 6ft 115lbs and only started lifting a couple of months ago) (1:15:02) #Quah question #4 - What are the indicators that I am training with the right volume? (1:19:12) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Magic Spoon for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! October Promotion: MAPS Symmetry or MAPS Strong HALF OFF! **Promo code OCTOBER50 at checkout** George Hackenschmidt: The Father Of The Bench Press And Hack Squat WHAT IS THE THOMAS INCH DUMBBELL - CAN YOU LIFT IT? Growing older with health and vitality: a nexus of physical activity, exercise and nutrition Social Media and Mental Health “Metal needs a good f**king kick up the ass”: the story of Metallica’s Load Historical perspectives on vegetable oil-based diesel fuels Mind Pump #1920: The Best Foods To Build Muscle, Melt Fat & Fight Chronic Disease With Stan Efferding Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump #1840: Eleven Steps To A Single-Digit Body Fat Percentage MAPS Prime Pro Webinar MAPS Fitness Prime Pro MAPS Aesthetic Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Robert Oberst (@robertoberst) Instagram Dr. Rhonda Patrick (@foundmyfitness) Instagram Wookieepedia (@wookieepedia) Instagram Stan “Rhino” Efferding (@stanefferding) Instagram IFBB LEGEND FLEX WHEELER (officialflexwheeler) Instagram

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For overall, if you look at the whole picture, for overall strength, overall muscle development, carry over to the real world, dips are better. They're just a better exercise. I'm pretty sure I can get behind this. Why would I know if I can? Yeah. You know what it is. Tell me please. Well, I want to hear your introduction. I want to hear you

watching. I would say, you know, in terms of translation of, you know, usable strength, I think that, you know, you can make a good argument for that. Yeah, so exactly. So it's got a greater range of motion than a bench press. If you do it right, you're going to get better shoulder stability and strength. It's closed chain. So you're gonna get better shoulder, stability, and strength. It's closed chain, so you're manipulating your body weight. So it's like a pull up versus a pull down almost, not quite, but almost, right? I mean, the only downfall is the loading, right?

So you're gonna get that from bench press, you're gonna get like a lot heavier. Oh, I just did him today loaded. I got a belt, you know, one of the belt chains. Well, yeah, I mean, you have a chain loaded. You're just saying in terms of like, you know, one of the belt chains. Well, yeah, I mean, you have a two- again load. You're just saying in terms of like, you know, really increasing the load substantially. I, you know, that's where that's having it.

That's where I'm, I don't see myself, I'm trying to think of what the most I ever loaded my dips were. Well, think about, you already have your body weight. So you already got to have 200 and whatever, 20 pounds, 200 and 30 pounds. So 100 pound loaded on you, it's gonna be 330 pound press. Yeah, I don't know if I've done a hundred pound dip,

the body weight dip. So today, I think the biggest I normally do is like a 45 pound play back. I don't even, I haven't done that in a long time. So I've done, I've actually not done more with the kettlebell, you're right, well, okay, fair enough. We'll see like, okay, yeah.

I mean, now I want to go test it, now I want to see. Well, so I haven't benched 300 pounds in a long time, just because of the way it affects my shoulder and pec insertion, but to, you know, the other day, I did a total of 300 pounds on the bar dips. Now that's like, so do we need to excuse when you say it like that. I know, but that's in good.

I'm a dedicated because my pec insertion, I know. What are you gonna do, bro? Raise your hand if you've had five injuries in the last two weeks. Oh, it's a low blow bro. No, I just started as a low blow. No, you know what? You're right, however.

Am I useless? Yeah, that's what it says. But I did load the other, like a week ago, I loaded a hundred pound weights around my waist, which is over 300 pounds on the dip. And I did like two reps, which was hard. I guess you're right. Yeah, I mean, I've done that with like a hundred pound kettlebell, like a tatch and, you know, adding,

I mean, I wasn't, I'm not 300 pounds, but, you know, close, close. I think it's, you know what it is, is the bench press gets a lot of value because of the bodybuilding aspect of it. It's probably a, it's a better just chest exercise. Okay, yeah. That's a, and that's probably the people that are gonna probably jump on this

and get off crazy, right? Like, no way, you're gonna say that. Yeah, when you talk about aesthetics, then it gets, You said the table, right? You said overall. Yes, and so overall, and just overall muscle. I mean, everything from core stability

to shoulder mobility, to chest, shoulders, triceps, triceps, even forearm, and grip stability. Like, yeah, I mean, I could see, I could see you making the case for that. Obviously, if you're, if I'm coming from a body building perspective, and I wanna develop my chest, I mean, I think dips are one of the most underrated things that you could, so I, I, I, I, I, I, I, how I overloaded it over time and I controlled

the stability, and I worked through a appropriate range of motion and then increased my range of motion appropriately. So that's all, let's remember all that, right? My shoulder stability got better over time as I got stronger with dips. That's not the case with the bench press. Well, you'll notice with the bench press, if you only bench press. It's an issue in return. Yes, over time, you actually start to get shoulder stability issues. And you have to throw a bunch of other things in. With the dips, it was as if the dips were themselves improving my shoulder stability.

And I just think it's the angle on the range of motion. Now, you got to do it appropriately, because you could overdo it, and you could go through a range of motion, you don't control and hurt yourself. It's just a healthier, I think, if you do it right, a healthier exercise. Yeah, that reminds me, I was trying to make that argument a long time ago for ring dips. Just in terms of like, if I was to increase the difficulty of an exercise, it has like a really good transferable strength.

In terms of addressing the stability of the shoulder joint in general, like ring dips is like, it's hard of an exercise as you can do in terms of that and having benefit to it and not having that sort of a detrimental effect because it was on that level for me for bench press. Never be I'd hit this point where, you know, I would feel almost like a breaking point like I was going to lose, you know, shoulder stability. you're just gonna have some kind of a breakdown where it may lead to a strain in injury, like something, and then I would have to kind of back off either regress or, you know, move on

to a different type of an exercise. So like in terms of, you know, having that constant benefit, I think, you know, dips do have that. We can't understate the the value of novelty to right? I mean I had a question asked in my my story yesterday and it was like you know is you know squat the best exercise overall Best exercises that I said I mean it is until it isn't yeah, and that I mean it's one of the better exercise It's right. It is until it's isn't, but if all you do is only squat

and you never do a Bulgarian split squat, like now Bulgarian split squat is the best exercise for you. So if you are a traditional barbell bench presser all the time and you never go over and do weighted dips, oh my God, like huge, huge value. You know what's funny too about the bench press, if you look at like, I love going back and looking at old time strong,

they would call them strong men, but there were women that did it as well. But mostly men, old time strong men and the way that they worked out and what they considered to be feats of strength. The bench press didn't enter into those types of competitions till way later. They didn't even have bench press to set up.

They would have a bench. And if you wanted to do a bench press, you'd have to snatch it and then you'd have to lay back and do it. So nobody did a bench press. The number one exercise to demonstrate your overall strength was any thing over your head. Anything over your head. And then it was like a hip lift, right? They didn't even do squats.

They would do like a hip lift or a bent press. Dips and pull ups were always in the fray because that was gymnastics Yeah, those were old school exercises So these men and women developed these incredible physics with almost exclusively without the bench press and that includes Developed shoulders and chest. You know, it's funny. I was thinking about Some of those old pictures if you've ever seen the one where they're lifting a literal bench full of people Yeah over their head, that was their bench press.

Yeah, bench press. Yeah. But yeah, like some of those feats of strength completely different goals that they had. It is, and if you think about it again, a bench press, not saying it's a bad exercise, it's in almost every program, not every program that we have, it's a great compound lift. So it's not bad. Oh, I like it gets a lot of praise at the expense of other exercises.

And because of that, other exercises become underrated. And I think parallel bar dips are underrated. Now, they're not poorly rated. People will still consider them a great exercise. But people typically don't list them in the top, definitely not the top five, but maybe not them in the top, definitely not the top five, but maybe not even in the top 10 when people list exercise. They belong up there.

I mean, pull-ups are usually up there. Why not dips? You know, it develops the upper body very well. And then I'll point to gymnasts. I've done this before, but I'll do it again. Gymnasts, now of course, there's crazy genetics, so we're looking at the top gymnasts. You're looking at people who are genetically predisposed to build muscle and have incredible strength all that stuff But if you look at the development of their upper bodies, they look like amateur bodybuilders

They don't do bench presses They might do some pushups, but they do a lot of dips a lot of ring dips and they have very developed chest and shoulders From the actual center. Do you think the bench press got more popular because people had limitations in their in their Mobility and range of limitations in their in their mobility and range most of their shoulder and the stability so they avoid sort of avoiding dips more and went more towards the bench press. No, I thought the evolution of the bench press came from sport. Wasn't it designed for like linemen and football first? No. Football players didn't use strength training till way later. Well, I mean, I like like fully train it, but I thought

that that incline bench press, I thought was initially designed to help line in. Nope, it was before. So this was before, football would be the first sport that used strength training. Yeah, of all the sports are the first ones that embraced it. Pull that up, Doug, let's see.

I don't know the season. I don't know the season. Or origin of the Barbell bench press. Yeah, bodybuilders were the ones that popularized it because when bodybuilders hit the stage, this really massive developed chest was like this big thing. And what a lot of these guys did is they bench press. Yeah, but I mean, below it, really.

Who introduced it? I mean, where did it, I feel like it didn't become a staple and bodybuilders routines until the 30s and 30s. No, I know, but you're saying what's made it popular. I mean, where did it even come from? Like who decided we're gonna, here it is, right here. You know what I'm saying? There you go.

There you go, press. Yeah, that's a four press. So, but what about the bench press? Okay, so Hackensmith, I don't know if you guys know how I can spithelize, but he was one of the craziest strong men of, I mean, he was at the turn, look at the picture of him. Look at that picture of that guy.

This is before, this is in the late 1800s or early 1900s. This is before supplements existed. Look at the build on that mousse right there. I mean, and of course, he didn't lift weights full time. He had a job. He just looks strong. He doesn't look like a bodybuilder. He says he was the father of the bench press.

Now, he did a floor press, but is it the bench bench press? Like, we know where you have a bench with a rack on it. Yeah, I don't know. And it might have been one of those things that was invented, but never really widely used until much later. Because I know it was widely used much later, but it may have been invented way before that, right?

Interesting. Yeah, so yeah, maybe Doug could come back to that. Who invented the, maybe the bench press you'd want to put on there? That's what he did. I think, yeah, he did that. And that's what it came up. It came up with him first.

Well, Doug, I'm going to send you another link because I want you to pull this up. I know Justin's going to find this freaking amazing. Well, because I mean, I've also made the case a long time ago that overhead press in terms of like usable functional strength. Oh, my God. I think has way more translation than bench press. Oh yeah. I mean, you got to support the weight at the top. And that's one of the first things to go

in terms of strength. I wish I did that more when I was younger. Totally. I wish I totally, you know, always a hard exercise. I remember like the first time doing it. I mean, all this sucks. Bro, who would you rather tangle with? A guy who could bench a lot or a guy who could overhead press a lot? Who's gonna, you know, throw you around like, oh, this sucks. Bro, who would you rather tangle with? A guy who could bench a lot, or a guy who could overhead press a lot?

Who's gonna throw you around a little bit, right? Oh, yeah, right. Okay, now look at this guy, Doug scrolled in the last picture, or the second to last in the last picture. So look at this guy right here, I love, they lift like cannonballs. Okay, I love looking up old feats of strength

because they just blow my mind. So this guy is a French weight lifter, Ernest Cadine, was his name. This is 1923 when he's doing this. So the guy's five, six, small dude, you can see he looks built, but today he wouldn't even, you know, get too many likes on social media compared to all these physiques that we have, right?

Do you know how much he's pressing at the end there without one dumbbell? What is it? 211 pounds. No way. That one dumbbell at the very end, that's a 211 pound above his head with one hand lift at five six in 1920. This is definitely not, there was definitely no steroids.

Nobody was using animal. There's a video I know of our friend Robert Obris pressing a big heavy dumbbell. What did he get? Oh, the Thomas inch dumbbell. Maybe Doug, you can look that up. Who decided that they only have one strap? You know? Show one.

I've always wondered that. It's like, I'm the strong man. It's like, you only got the one side. Like, you don't have the full one. You know what? What is that? What is that? I think I'm going to speculate.

I think I'm right though. Like a loin cloth or something? Yes. It was, they used to, whenever they would do caricatures of cavemen, they would have them with this like one strap, like animal print type of thing. So strong men wanted to present themselves as like these cavemen or whatever.

Like my animal skin coming across or something. Oh yeah, that's probably what it came for. What's the Thomas inch dumbbell? Very, this is like a fee to strength that not too many people can do. We gotta get one of those, man. Why? Why? We want to move it in the Why just cut with the roller across the

Sorting the stuff like 300 pounds sandbags other that's never been moved My I wasn't a kick for a while there. You know it's so funny to like talk about you know how quick you It's a very specific So funny too, like, talk about how quick you, it's a very specific type of strength to be able to pick up a really heavy bag like that. I have a video on my Instagram, like that goes way back, like I don't know, this is like six years ago, or what that, and I was lifting it up on a,

Oh, I remember. Yeah, and I was doing as many as I could in like, and I think, or as fast as I could get 10 or something like that, I can't remember what it was. There was like a thing going around in our gym where people were like racing to see the time on that and they get it up on that. You know, and I was smoking 10 of those, you know,

pretty well, and I'm like, I have a hard time picking it once, right? Just getting it up by the way. Well, you know what it develops? Just through pure novelty, develops the shit at your biceps. Because you have, I mean, how often do you have to be careful when you tear them

if you don't train up to the really hard? Your biceps are lengthened, you have tremendous tension. Then your scapula and upper back is rounded and tensing. So all those muscles that almost never get that tension in that position. I mean, and you have to have some leg strength because you're pulling 200 pounds plus your body weight up off the floor in a deep squatted position,

or deadlift position. I love taking that and then tossing it overhead. So you do some kind of like, oh god, clean, yeah, I'm not doing that with over 200 times. Speaking of old time straight, maybe Doug, you could look up Paul Anderson. You guys know Paul Anderson is.

He's one of the greatest, well, greatest Olympic weightlifters of all time, but he was an American and he was a farm boy. So I want to say he competed in the 1940s and the ways he would work out, what's great about Paul Anderson is he changed, or he's one of the pioneers of how weightlifters worked out back then, especially American weightlifters. This is, remember, the Soviet Union was, they was they had the iron curtain so we heard nothing from them

Look at look at the pictures of this guy over here by the way. Oh, yeah, he's a beast He would go wagon axles. He would go in his barn and He would squat and he didn't couldn't afford weights So he'd fill up these hundred gallon drums full of concrete or you get big Like tractor wheels and stuff like that and you would squat and drink milk. You do this all day. All day.

Insanely strong. Doug, look up his record lifts. Now he did one called a hip, he was called a hip hoist or hip lift where he's kind of doing a bridge. So he's on his hands and on his feet but he's doing a bridge on the ground. And then they put a strap around his waist and then load it. And I believe it was, if I'm not mistaken, 6,200 pounds. Oh my god. He was

able to do this bridge more than brick and chairs for sure. Yeah, maybe Doug, you can find some of his his top lifts, but I mean, incredible. What's the time or the era when it went to say? 1940s, I want to say. It was the 40s. Yeah. Oh, in 1935. Oh, there's squat, 1200 pounds, bench press, 628. There they are.

Yeah. Clean and jerk, 440 pounds. A 1200 pounds squat, bro. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how they measured that, but. Okay, according to Anderson himself. Okay.

But, but some of the, Dude, I got a huge fish. Yeah, that's it. Some of them were obviously in competition. So his 440 pound clean and press, have you ever seen the clean and press from back in those days? So you know how the technical they are now, right? Like they pop it up and they under the bar,

and they snap and get it. So the bar didn't even move. They're just getting their body underneath it and pressing. You know, they're like muscling it up. Bro, his was a clean and a strict press, 440. And dress shoes, by the way. He came out there and like, the kind of shoes you wear to a wedding.

Yeah. It just breasted up. Well, I like to get this flat. I know. That's pretty crazy. It's a cool study on strength training. In fact, Dr. Rhonda Patrick posted about this. Strength training, I think we're in that phase right now where it's kind of getting

a limelight, which is pretty cool. So there was a study that examined men in their 70s and resistance training. Obviously, the study shows that it increased strength and size and the muscles, duh, but it also increased muscle re-interration. In other words, the connection between nerves and muscle. So why is this important? Because the loss of nerve supply to muscles is one of the main reasons why we lose muscle mass and function.

So this is a study showing that the connection to your muscles, right? Another part of the central nervous system, how much it develops through strength training. And these are not college aged males. These are remember the 70s who did this. Pretty awesome, right? Yeah. So, okay. Now let's speculate a little bit. Do you believe that there are certain movements that would generate more of that than other movements? I would 100% think it would be the big gross motor movements. I mean, I would think the same thing too,

because we're dealing with the CNS. But so you would think that an exercise that may show up on an East M, say a HACC squat, which would show the muscle more quad being activated would be less than a potentially the squat. I think so. You know what we don't do is we look very closely at the target muscle, so the acute direct effects

of an exercise, so like, you know, leg press and squat on the quads. But what we don't look at is the, are the systemic effects throughout the whole body. Anybody who's ever done barbell squats for a long time will tell you, in fact, there's an old saying in bodybuilding, add a hundred pounds to your squat and you'll gain a half an inch on your biceps. It was like this saying, something along those lines.

You get this kind of whole body effect from these exercises that demand so much on your body. So although the direct effect on a specific muscle is probably the same, I think you get more of a systemic effect from some of these exercises and when we're talking about the nerves And how they connect to our muscles. I would have to I would strongly think that it would be these big compound Lifts that require stability and balance and yeah, the louder the signal you think is those compound lifts that it would affect You know that connectivity between nerves and muscles. I can't wait for us to put more and more of that research together.

So we see the whole, come back full circle of everybody that made this easier to put the East End around the one muscle and isolate that study. And so that's like a lot more manageable. But yeah, to get other studies like that to find out the systemic effect would be way more interesting. Well, I'll have to start a new channel on YouTube called mind pump was right again actually you know what's funny we're entering into the golden age of strength training studies studies are coming out left and right on strength training to the point now where

you know mainstream medical associations are talking about its value and its benefit, and how soon the conversation is gonna be, not that you all forms of exercise don't have value. Ideally, you'd wanna do lots of different forms of exercise for health and longevity, but I think what they're gonna start to say pretty soon is that that'll be the primary form of exercise they recommend to people as age.

I think that's gonna happen. You should write a book about that. Absolutely, yeah. I should let people know. I did. Anyway, so.. Wait. I want to talk about how you're wrong. Oh, yes, we don't ever get to talk You've been wrong a lot lately. I want to point that out. It's a lot and well and a lot lately. Oh, so two and a two I'm all the last you think the pump behind scenes That's what we don't know yet. I talk moved me. Yes, and big titties now. Well, no, we don't know yet.

I talk about it. Yeah, what big titties, right? So, I got, so we obviously we talked about the teacher in Canada that put on the prosthetic boobs and we went around and said how ridiculous is it? And I said, I think it's a massive troll. Yeah. And he argued with me a little bit about that,

whether it is or not. I said, no, I'm almost certain that it's so absurd. This guy has to be trolling. So far, we hadn't heard anything about that. Well, that episode went live. And of course, our audience is amazing. And there's always people that are searching to prove one of us right or wrong.

And I got a bunch of DMs and people sent me this TikTok video of a guy who used to go to school there who knows obviously students that are still there who wrote like an email or something to him saying, like, this is a massive troll. This guy is the furthest thing from woke culture. In fact, he's been anti-woke culture and the whole staff there doesn't like him because he's this guy who is the opposite of that. In fact, he's been caught saying sexist comments and stuff like that and making jokes in his classroom and stuff like that.

And so this was his way of trolling the faculty because he knew. Like, you're trying to fire him, right? That's right. He knew they could, and they still can't, like so I, and the rumor is that they can't fire and they can't do anything about it. And so they're trying to get him to get transferred

into another Providence. So that's the end, and the more I thought, what I didn't, and they can't do anything about it. And so they're trying to get him to get transferred into another Providence. So that's the end, no, and the more I thought, what are the Provents? Provents. Provents. Thank you, Doug, for correcting me. And I'm waiting till the show's over. Yeah.

Yeah. The audience is doing a one-flop. Doug must be saying stupid shit all the time. And he knows how it's wrong. In the afterwards he tells me, what the fuck you not correct me when it says it. Yeah. You're batting 100% stupid shit. Yes, there's the other one that one I've ashamed of

I did it again after he had corrected me and I was that way out here with Katrina and I said bad 100 Doug says 1000 I don't want to do practice but off to bring up my my Star Wars information again Roasted I know we'll get there. No way. I knew you're gonna get hit. He's like, but I think. We're all failing today, but I know. It's sorry. I'm sorry.

I don't want. I feel like I want it. But I did not think about like, okay, let me ask you guys. So the thing that kind of dawned on me after this person sent this to me and I was just like, of course, of course, I shouldn't know that. But when I think about high school for me and I think, and I know I think they've done this, I know in colleges it is obviously, it's I think it's like 90% liberal,

10% conservative for professors. And when I think of high school, if I thought back to all my teachers, what would they leaned left or right or whatever, if there were any right leaning teachers, they were, would shop and would shop and metal shop. Yeah, for sure, for sure were any right leaning teachers, they were... Would shop and would shop. Metal shop. Yeah, for sure.

For sure that. And I'm like, of course, you know what I'm saying? This is a wood shop teacher. The likelihood that he's like a super woke left dude. Well, so like we looked at that, I watched what you sent. It's still speculation. So unfortunately we don't have evidence, right?

By the way, what's funny to me, is you make fun of Justin and I for being conspiracy theorists. But you are too, just differently. Oh yeah. We tell him, he's the cultural, social, conspiracy.

Everything A and E has to do with celebrities or media is conspiracy. Like Will Smith planned it with what's his name? Chris Rock with it. Okay, so I'll give you that. I do. So here's a deal. We're worried about the government.

Yeah, real conspiracy. So, that. I do. So here's a deal. We're worried about the government. Yeah, there's so, yeah, real conspiracy. So this, so, I have those fake ones. That's those fake ones. So this is speculation. Now, it's, here's what I think is funny about the whole thing. We live in a time now where we don't know. If that happened 15 years ago,

we'd be like, oh my god, it's a funny thing. Yeah, it would be like obvious, but now it's like, I don't know. Like you're making, like it sounds logical that he totally could be doing that because, you know, given that circumstance and that situation, it's like, let's just say you're, you're, you know, a teacher in that environment, you're frustrated with,

with everything that, you know, you're allowed to say, what you're not allowed to say, then you're just like, well, maybe I'll just lean all say, then you're just like, well, maybe I'll just lean all in what they think, you know, I should be like, yeah, none of them can't fire me. So now here's why I think it might not be a troll job because I think that the school would do diligence

in the sense that if he went from nothing to that all of a sudden, then maybe they would be like, well, we know you're. But they have their hands tied. They're the same time that you still have your hands tied. If I wake up tomorrow and say, I can't tell them that's not as I'm a teacher there. And I say, I identify as a woman like, you can't be like, oh, because it wasn't dated back to. Well, so are you. Or years ago, this doesn't flow.

No, no, but here's what I, so I read this too. And again, I just, none of this is confirmed. But I did read that they had a history that this person was going through, transitioning period. Now I haven't seen or read any of that. You said that, but I didn't see none of that. Okay, I'll find something, because I did read about that.

So in other words, this was part of it. So like, first he came to school and wigg, and then it was like a process. It wasn't just, well, I'm one big line. Well, maybe that was, maybe that was his process though. Yeah. I mean, look, here's the way I'm okay. I mean, if it happened over two or three Well, maybe that was his process, though. You know what I'm saying? I mean, look, here's the way I'm going.

I mean, if it happened over two or three years, I'd then I believe you, but if it happened over the course of this year, well, here's the way I was up in a wig first and he's put makeup on, then it is a prostitute. I mean, I'll be ultimitrol, right? Here's the way I look at it. I don't think it matters.

I think it's highlighting the absurdity of how far we go to try to appear to be inclusive for whatever to the point where we let people get away with shit that you would never Well, you guys remember the story of the guy that was down in LA that went in to get a Brazilian wax Did you hear about that? Yeah, it's like a woman. Okay went down to get wax and like we don't wax We don't testicle. We don't last. yeah. We don't wax, sood them. Now they're lost. I'm a woman.

So you need to provide the service. But the estheticians were like, I'm not comfortable waxing balls. Yeah, I don't wax. Exactly, that's not on our chart. You don't know, right? Now that was real. Yeah. And they sued the esthetician, the place, but they lost, thankfully.

Yeah, they did lose that. But that was a real deal. That's funny. Did you imagine? But. Yeah. They did lose that. But that was a real deal. That's funny. Did you imagine? But I mean, I just see that. Like, this is like being pressed, you know, like how far, like, what are the lines? Like at this point, what are the lines? You know what's gonna happen is people are just gonna be smart about how they present

some. So someone's gonna come in and be like, I'd like to get waxed. And I'd be like, you know, I have no training in waxing female testicles. I'm sorry. So now what are you gonna do? Yeah, yeah. You know, I have no training in waxing female testicles. I'm sorry. So now what are you gonna do? Yeah, you know, sorry my training is only on female But I think that stupid is that you're gonna have that's that's probably how that's gonna get solved I know you have to jump to some stupid hoop like this is the verbiage we have to use now to be inclusive is make sure that you say

Even though we don't do that service, but when they do come in you need to say it this way. It's so dumb I don't know Alright,'s all dumb, too. All right, so speaking of dumb, Justin. What? Good trend. You were a transition. You were our go-to. I don't like where this is going.

You were our go-to Star Wars guru. Oh, man. And you fucked up. Dude, I had a brain for it, and then you kept seeing and-or-and and I was like, what's Princess Leia's home planet? Like, I just couldn't, like, it didn't process. You got to be so mad at myself. Did your fans get so, you're the alder on, dude.

And so here's the thing, everybody was hammering me about Andor. I'm like, do we even bring up Andor in that? I don't think so. I know that's where the Ewoks are. I know that duh. Okay. Everybody knows that.

Yeah, everybody knows that. Also Andor is where the Ewoks are. Also, andoars were the, where the e-walks are? Andoars, the name of the character in the show that was on Rogue One. Endor. Endor is where, you know, the e-walks were in Return of the Jedi. Yeah, so that's the plan.

The best character's in all of those. Yeah, so I mean, I blame Star Wars now for like, you know, making them too close in names. Oh, okay. So what are people saying? You're like, they're all disappointed. I blame Star Wars now for making them too close in names. Oh, okay. So what are people saying you're like, they're all disappointed? Look, I believe you didn't know. No, the room doors were, yeah.

So I'm just getting all this nonsense, but. Are Star Wars fans, I guess they are, right? They're like super, like the super fans are really crazy about details. Dude, I mean, there's literally like Wikipedia, like, like, wiki-pedia. So like, that's a thing. It's a thing. Wiki? Yeah, wiki. Look it up. I didn't know that. Yeah, so I mean, you have like a legit website. Yeah, it's like all the definition. It's like basically defines every single character, every single place, like, that's the thing. If I ever walked up and I see you surfing through that, I'm gonna punch you today. Hold on a second. Just know that that's coming.

Click on it. See me in a convention. Turn off, and you turn off. I will have to go through that. Just stay relevant. Hey Doug, give me a favor. Click Wookie. Turn off Safe Search and click on Images.

Let's just see what pops up. Because I have a feeling there's some weird star wars that were with Wookie's. The fact that you know that. I'm sure there is disturbing. Not that I know that. I'm getting on that. The fact that you know that is disturbing to me? There's some there's some like I'm nervous to do this. I didn't even know that was a thing. What do you turn off? What did you tell me turn off safe search?

What is safe search? So Google if you click on images you're such a dirty old man. No, I'm not Everybody knows this really knows everybody knows this. Nobody here knew that. I didn't know I didn't I Didn't know that either I didn't know that either. I didn't know this. You're safe, search already off. We can talk about. When you go on, click on images, you'll have, first off, your Google, and I don't use Google anymore, say track everything, fuck you guys.

But if you did, you can make it. I'm saying the reason why you don't use Google. You can make it search. You know the data gets transferred over to Safari from like duck.go. I realize that too. No, it doesn't. Yeah.

What? Yes. I know, because I have tried to like, I know. I realize that. Yeah. What? Yes. I know. Because I was trying to like clear history. I'm in my Google search right now. I want to know what you're talking about. So click on anything. Click on a word. Yeah.

I'm on Wookie now. I don't know how to turn off safe turn on. I can't see your screen, so I can't point you in the right direction. Andrew's going to help you. Okay. Okay. We're says image it. Okay. Put something up, now what?

No, no, no, here, let me see your phone. Okay, can we just, can you, can't walk me through it? I can't remember, but you definitely can turn off, like you can make the searches moderate, safe, or off. In other words, it'll pull up anything that comes up. I did not even know that was a thing. Yeah, did you know that?

No, I didn't, I only, I only creepy fuck that you back in here. I did not even know that was a thing. Yeah, did you know that? No, I didn't Only creepy fuck that you Only one everybody knows that there. I didn't listen. There's five people in this room everybody That huh is that is that all the wiki papers? No, I wanted to see the, I wanted to see the web. What do you mean, like, what do you think we're gonna find? Oh, nothing. Just when you do that. Hahaha.

But you put it like, he's still like, well, this didn't go the direction I wanted it to go. Yeah, like, cause here's, okay, so they have like a burlesque show. They had a date. Do you see that? I heard about it. Yeah, so it's got all this like scantily clad girls dressed up as stormtroopers and,

you know, they do reenactments of like some of the movies. So I'm definitely like trying to plan it. Okay, so since we went here because of Sal, is there like a crazy like, you know, Star War sexual finished thing? Yeah, yeah, sure. What do you think? Name something that isn't. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know the name of the character, but it's like the one that's in Jabba House. Either tell me things I don't search. Bro, I'm not about searching, it's the internet. People have sex with cars, did you know that? There's people that literally, yes. I don't know, you're the one I'm gonna come to the whole place.

I was on that show taboo, I saw that. Yes, there was this guy. Oh, you know, I saw God's side that are right. Yes. I definitely know you're the one I'm gonna come to the whole world. I was on that show taboo. I saw that. There was this guy. Oh, you know, I saw God's side posted about that. It made me laugh. I saw him. He posted. Dude, that show taboo.

Was that on HBO? But it was like back in the day, they had all these like really like weird kinks that people had. It's so strange. Yeah. It's funny. I was fascinating to me. So, you know what's strange to me?

I've seen Doug using the organified glow lately. Well, it's just weird. It's just weird to me. Look at his face right now. I know, have you guys noticed? It's just, look how illuminating it. Beaming. We had to change the lighting in the studio.

I felt like he was doing, he was in the back doing it by himself. I felt like he's like a shame that he's got a pink body. I am a little bit ashamed. He's a little bit ashamed. You know what? My vanity exceeds my sense of shame. Hey, I have a theory at him. It's easy.

So I looked at old pictures. I mean, he does look the best. Well, I looked at old pictures. Yeah. Okay. And so when we started Mind Pump, you and I, don't look seven years younger. We look 20 years younger. It's been using these interventions without us knowing.

Doug looked older back then, looks younger now. I think he's sucking the youth out of us. I think he's pulling our youthful energy out. I believe that. That's what he's really good about using all these little products and just tell everybody that he's doing. I use everything. Come on.

Hey, how did you hear about Glow? You told me you got a bunch of reviews, right? Well, no, you guys brought it upon the show, and you said that some people were using it and were getting great results from it. Oh, I said, well, I better do it too. You know, even though it's a little bit ashamed. Hey, speaking of our sponsors, I did think of a downside to one of our sponsors, Magic Spoon. We had

that guy call in. It's gonna be great commercial. I know. We had that. No, what do you mean? So it's. We had that guy call in and he's like, remember that caller and he's like, Hey, guys, whatever. Oh, I want you guys to know I saw Magic Spoon about it for the first time and I ate the whole box already. I'm a lot of bread, you make it wrong. That's how it's supposed to work. Yeah, it's delicious, but also, yeah, you got to eat it. It's dangerous because I've actually, I've done the whole total calories on the box and it's not like, I mean, you could, you'll do way more damage having a treat eating, eating

like a ice cream, pint of ice cream. Have you been in the whole box at once? Oh, yeah. Dude, one thing. I've done it too. Yeah, yeah, I have too. A whole box box. Let me ask you, Adam, do you have different size bowls

specifically for that, right? Because I don't have like a big one, I don't give a fuck bowl. You know, I have like the medium bowl and I have the one I'm like trying to like manage myself. I don't ever eat out of a sissy bowl, dude. This is a sissy bowl. Right.

All I use, I use table search bowls. You're like a punch bowl for all food, bro. Be really. Yes. I'm double meat and double serving in almost any you try and fit a cup and a half a rice and 12 ounces of meat in a fucking sissy bowl. Yeah. You know, can't fit that in there.

That's a that's a that's a at most one cup rice and six ounce serving. That's what Katrina eats out of. I don't need out of that. I eat out of a man bowl. It's like this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We'll be seeing you bowl.

Six years of little Kim bowl just to... I'm a little about you. I ate all of it. And myself contained. Yeah, no, that was... Bro, you know, you just made me think of one of the first times I tried to track calories because I'm like, you know what, I know I'm trying to eat more to gain

because I was always trying to gain. I'm like, let me start tracking calories. I don't know how I came up with this 5,500 calorie diet, but breakfast was, it was a 10 egg scramble, two slices of toast, and then I used to eat a punch bowl of Cheerios, and it was almost an entire boxage, and I would do this for breakfast.

I just remember that. How do you guys think I felt going to school after eating that, by the way? Oh, it was not good. Captain noises over there. Would you say that was the worst breakfast that you ever... Just too much, dude. My mom would drive me to school, and I was in the...

I think I was a freshman. I'm in the back, I'm in the car, and I'm fighting... You don't try to have to throw up the whole time. We didn't last until third period, and then it was like time for lunch. And like seven sandwiches in my bag. Dude. How I'm not to do a bowl. You know what I mean?

Don't do it that way. We do anything to get gays back. Hey, did you guys see some of these, have you guys seen these posts on people who post a lot on social media? There's been a couple of studies have come out. Post on people that post a lot on social media. No, no, no, no.

There's a, there's studies about people who post a lot on social media. And then there's study on people who follow lots of celebrities on social media What do you guys think they found so people who post a lot on social media who like to post a lot of pictures of the rest of Themselves working out fitness that kind of stuff. Yeah, what I mean, there's all those things are gonna higher rate of mental disorder Sure, so there's a higher rate of what do you guys think that is? I have some theories. Well, I mean one you're you're constantly comparing yourself to everybody. If you're on their posting every single day, you're, you, and you're also obsessed with, and I mean, even I'm like,

this is like something that you almost like instinctually do. You can't help but post something, and then go back and look like, oh, did it get more likes than usual or less likes than usual? So I could see how somebody could obsess over that. You're too worried about how it's being received. Yes. You know, like if people like me, like, like, the whole time you're just, your mind is completely somewhere else and you're never really like present anymore. Like you're, you're scatterbrains.

The part that I think is really interesting in me is, and is I 100% believe on the, like, the, uh, the person is, I give a shit what people think about me. I think I would hope that I 100% believe I'm the person who's, I give a shit what people think about me. I think I would hope that you guys would agree that that's the type of person that I am as far as my, but even I find that I could get into that. I could go like, it sucks you in. Yeah, so if it has that kind of a pull on a person like me,

I can't imagine somebody who is weak in that area. Well, so here is where you're not confident where you do really get a shit about everything's about, I mean, it's just a trap. Agreed, I was thinking about this a lot when I read this particular study, so I thought, well, that's obvious, and I thought, wait a minute, is it the cause of the effect?

In other words, are people with more mental issues, more likely to post and want validation through social media, or does the posting and social media by the age of requiring, cause more mental issues? That's what I think. I think it's both. I think there's a feedback wondering,

okay, yeah, I don't disagree with that. I think it's both, I don't think it's either or I think people who have a tendency towards that post more, and then the more they post, the more feeds into that insecurity, that wanting validation, that comparison, that I'm not good enough. And then that makes you post even more and you go down this kind of death spiral.

You know, it's moving in the other direction though, somewhat, right? Like, okay, always like the trend is like, you know, what are the, what are the young popular kids doing? And it's becoming less Bob. And maybe Andrew, because Andrew's younger and also has younger kids, if you can correct me if I'm wrong here. But it seems that now like really popular younger kids, it's not cool to like post every day.

Like you don't put on your wall, you don't do that. You can do stories and do shit like that, but you're not. How do you know this by the way? I'll just pay attention. I follow a lot more people. I'll follow on a high school kid. I'm just gonna say, how do you know this people I will follow on a high school I'm gonna say how do you know this?

I'm gonna all the high school kids No, I don't know I don't know about a high school. Hey, hey, come here real quick Hey, what's cool right now? Can you tell me what's cool when you're seeing my my I just know I'm actually I'm asking I'm actually Andrew in my writer my right. Am I right? Oh, I see I'm actually I'm asking I'm actually Andrew in my rider my right am I right? Well actually let's start with this were you cool in high school? Yeah, okay, so you're you're credible your credible source here So I can't ask out these questions Now what?

It was 10 years ago. Yeah. Oh shit Yeah, 26 out probably 10 years out. Yeah, but he's still got a better post than any of us in here. Yeah, I mean, you know, we can just look it up By the way, we have we have the ability to look up anything we want We just do that. Yeah, but how would you do that? Okay, our kids posting are are is the younger generation posting more or less on social Oh, see the rewind don't think that's a fair because that those aren't the cool kids represent a very small percentage and they start to trends and then that's what everybody follows around. Yeah, you're definitely the authority on cool kids. So,

what? I'm just saying. Well, if you, if you, if you, if you Google something like that, you're going to get the, the match. Total. Yeah, we can do speculate, right? Like, I, and in terms of like the platforms, we have fucking kids out there.

Someone called kidding your own out. To Kyle or Dylan or Tuck. We do hire kids because they're cheaper. No, that's not. You mean it sound like we got a bunch of children out there? No, that's a white. If we want this company to last longer than 10 to 15 years, we better have some young people.

Bro, are young is them pleasing? They're mid, what mid, oh, I guess my son would be the youngest, but he's not very young. What are you talking about? Kyle and Dylan are younger than that. Then younger than my, no, not younger than my son. No, not younger than your son.

What are they in their early 20s? Yeah, they're super young. What's the ages? 21. Yeah, 21s, yeah. That's something that's fresh out of high school, do they know? He's trying to find some done. Well, I don't know if this is exactly the answer you're looking for,

but users between 18 and 25 years old are the only age group to see a decrease in social media use since 2019. Ah, wow. Oh, we found something that you're an authority. What, it's, oh, you're like three to row wrong and I'm right on the chair. I didn't say you were wrong. Give me the tally up here, Andrew, the tallys.

Hold on, this guy's been touting he's right all the time for fucking years. We don't know the boob thing is true yet or not. It's gonna be true. Okay. I mean, even you feel confident, I'm probably rising up. I feel like it could be, but I'm not gonna go 100%. Now, if it was orchestrated by the government,

I would say it's definitely true. For sure. It could be an aluminum listening. It's using his boob thing. Yeah, so my point of bringing that up, I know we kind of went off on it, a tangent and teasing each other about all this stuff, but I really do think that

The pendulum is swung really far that way. I think younger kids coming up are actually aware of some of these stats Yeah, you know, I think I think they're becoming aware of this stuff and it's becoming just becoming less cool More and more people are realizing like oh, there's so much fake social shit out there or everybody's What's the what's the terms? Basic and what's the term Andrew come on help me out here for like no no with like when someone's like trying hard. Oh What is that? Oh extra extra? Hey, you know, I know things Yeah, so and that was to me that was the beginning of that was

Like that the younger generation calling out people that are just extra like oh my god, so actually you're you're you're trying to look cool You're trying to use the younger generation uses a lot of just off of my experience with my I would say my daughter Conversation right now. Oh, yeah, that's what I started talking about my drip and all that like I'm out wow That's out nobody says it. Yeah, they say that. Still, that's the kids are saying that. Really? Yes. Well, boom, a drip. My, so my, you know, my daughter and her friends do a lot of,

they don't do a ton of social media, they do a lot of YouTube. So I think YouTube has now become their primary source. They do a lot of it or they watch it. They watch it a lot. Yeah, they watch it. No, I agree. And I don't, okay, so I'm very careful about making fun of the younger generation about stuff like that. We did that.

I mean, I don't know. We sell you a bunch of boomers when we fucking say when we make fun of it. But did we? Yes, we did. Hold on. Lingo and and with. Yeah, let's good slang, dude from groovy Yeah, no, give me something give me something from your era that was like something you use for a long time that we don't I mean a word that was popular Sweet Everything is sweet. I even made it into me. We're not that far off. Yeah, I remember And another one. Oh cherry cherry was another one. Oh, that's cherry. Oh Sweet cherry There's another one. Oh, that's cherry. Oh, man, these are kind of creepy. You don't remember sweet cherry? I'm not sweet cherry.

You said sweet. Yeah, I remember saying sweet. Yeah, I remember saying sweet like in sixth, seventh grade. So that was probably high school for you or what, what about that, right? Interesting. Interesting. Well, I don't know.

You may be right. Maybe more. More. Jesus Christ, huh? You're that old? Yeah. Wow. What are you?

You could have maybe sat me. You guys don't remember? He went to high school in Mesopotamia. Yeah. Yeah. Cost Mesopotamia. Yeah Cost you shuckles. Yeah, I'd take those big stone tablets everywhere. It's horrible. I mean it's it's You had a sleep shot. I mean what is that? What is that phenomenon that causes that right? Would you my my theory around that is that when you're young You don't want to be saying the same things that your dad and mom are saying. Of course. And so you come

up, you reinvent new swang that you're only hip-to when your friends are hip-to. So they're intended. They intentionally try and keep you the most hilarious one for that was like when you saw when people started using jiggy with it. it. Remember that? That was the most cringe thing I've ever seen in my life. Well, that was all because of the Will Smith song. That came out right? That was the thing. Well, I mean, you just wait till your kid say that. That's how culture works though, right?

So you have someone who is extremely famous at that time who says something or does something first and then, and because they have millions of people paying attention to him, that's how that gets taken off. Well, you just wait first off, the 90s is in style now, which means we're officially old, right? When that shit comes back around, right?

But you just wait to your kids in junior high. You know, it's funny. I'll draw my daughter off and she'll be like, well, we'll be listening to music together. Before she gets out of the car, she turns off the music. She don't want to. Yeah, that in no ways are making it.

The style dude, like, so I just took my kids to go get cuts from Vicki and, you know, Ethan's kind of going off and thinking on his own terms, like I want this haircut and he's like showing me Courtney all the haircuts he wants. And it's like backstreet boy haircuts. No. It's like, you know, part in the middle

and it's like all these, you know, like every sitcom you saw like back in the day in the 90s, like they all these, you know, like every sitcom you saw like back in the day in the 90s, like they all have this like specific kind of hair. I said you guys a picture of my daughter shoes yesterday. Jordans. Old, the old school Jordans. Well, yeah, that's, that's, I mean, those,

those are, that's never been out of style. Yeah, those have gotten more popular. In fact, old, I bet you, you could look this up. I bet you more Jordan ones are sold today. Then they were originally. Yeah, then they were originally for the first 10 years. I would agree. That's how popular that Jordan ones are today in comparison to what they were.

Even 90s music is big right now. My kids are listening to everything from the 90s. Whenever were because at night, we, you know, we dinner'm I'm I need for cool bro. I'm all for that. We do dishes And they put on Nirvana. They put on Metallica my kids are putting Metallica on like what the hell's going on here I'm so proud. Oh Metallica smashing pumpkins like we're all listening to bring up Metallica What I know Adam are you know this is don't chime in Okay, okay, so you know the load album. Yeah, right? Did you remember the cover of it duck? Can you pull it up? I don't know the load album. Yeah, right? Do you remember the cover of it? Doug, can you pull it up? I don't know.

You don't know the load cover. So it's got like flames. Right, so it has like these flames and it's, let me see if I'm seeing it. Okay, it's somewhat like, you know. I, I, I don't know what I mean. Artistically put on there if you will. Okay.

So there's a story behind this, I guess. So and there. Oh, there it is. So yeah, so this looks like flames, you know, and it's got a cool kind of vibe too. But so the artist that did this, right? I guess, you know, like what that consists of. So that's actually like the artist's giz, what?

And his blood. Whoa, you didn't know that. Why would he mix that? You didn't know that. Why would he mix that? Right. It's so James Hild was like, he found this out later, like Lars, like love. He's like, oh, like, it was all about it. And like, they're doing the reload album.

And James Hild was like, no, he's not doing that for this album. It was like adamant that they used a different artist or style. But I didn't know that. I always looked at that. Like, oh, these are interesting little flames. I was like, that's terrible. Yeah. I was actually having a conversation with my kids about metal

because we were listening to music. And I was showing them the different levels of metal. So we'd start with like Metallica, but not all Metallica, we'd started with like, you know, like a, I'm forgiven. Sandman, I'm forgiven. And then I got to, you know, masters of puppets

and then we got to, and then we went, we went Sepul Turan. Yeah. So there were levels where my kids were like, I like this. I don't know about this. And then my kids are like laughing. They're like, I don't understand this dad.

Like go the flates, you'll get it. You'll understand when you're doing it. I'm with them though. I like, I love Metallica. You guys are more pantera, although I do have pantera in there and I will occasionally listen to it. You know what's an album that I did so again because I was having this conversation with my kids?

You know, and I always forget that this group is one of the best groups to work out to. God smack. God smack, just so. Did you hear me? I've been on God smack kick for a minute. Oh yeah, I've been listening to him again. It's funny Yeah, they're pretty good. Yeah, yeah, I just

Week for Justin. I mean, I just found this band their names botched and it's they have one song and it literally blew my hair off Dude speaking of hair too heavy Yeah, you can listen to the thing that blows my like and we all like that We all like this music and I definitely you know get it into a heavy deadlift. You I all throw pantera and stuff like that. I fucking love rage. I mean, I love that music, but I have to be in the right mood for that music. Justin can be driving to work for it.

Eyes barely open at fucking. I just can't do this morning. I can't do that. Dude, we go into the airport sometimes at six o'clock in the morning all of us and he's driving and we gotta listen to some, I'm like bro I'm just not ready for this At least ease me rock wise like at least give me unforgiven inner sand mad and then take me to the air but like I can't just come out the gates without No, he meditation like exactly By the halls me down speaking a hair by the way. I got to tell you guys something very interesting

So as Adam is pointed out many times off air. Yes, my hair is starting to thin What happens as you get older? Oh, I've been held nice not to get you, bro I've been so nice. You're waiting until it's obvious I'm waiting and I'm waiting for you like to sting me really bad one too, because that's like a that's like a Well, I look I'm 43 this has been a slow long process over the last seven years, I know that, but you know, I do my, I use my, I use my, I use my, I was jumping, but anyway, I, so you know what I did, I bought, because I'm like, let me try a manoxidil. So this has been over the counter, it was originally, I don't know if you guys know what manoxidil was originally

researched for, when they found out the side effect was hair growth. No. To lower blood pressure. So it was a blood pressure medication. One of the side effects was hair regrowth. So of course they marketed as hair for that, right? Cause you got way more market viability. Anyway, I used it like two or three times. I'm like, let's just see what happens.

You gotta use it for like months to notice anything. Yeah. And I started feeling like shit. I was getting dizzy and I felt weird. And I didn't connect the two and I was telling my wife, I'm like, man, I feel horrible. I don't know what's wrong with me. I feel like something's wrong.

And you guys know me when I start to feel sick, I think like I'm gonna die. So I'm like, you know, honey, make sure you have everything in order. Whatever. But I'm not like, I wonder if it's that and I looked it up, sure enough, one of the side effects, potential side effects of that

is you could absorb too much through the scalp and it can cause like dizziness and light-headedness a lot of stuff. So I toss it out. You know, you just brought something up, I mean, I wanted to ask you guys, and maybe Doug could look it up if you guys don't know. The origin of vegetable oil.

Do you know it? I don't know if this is true. Do you know what it is? At all, do you have any guesses? Do you have any origin? Like, what was it made for originally? Machine all? Do you have any guesses? Or did you? Yeah, like, like, what was it made for originally? Machinery?

Yeah. Lubricant for like engines. Yeah. If that's true, I don't know that's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true.

And then they figured out how to make it not taste so shitty through processing and then they could use it in food for food. Isn't that kind of crazy? I know. Well, don't they have some petroleum-based sweetener that they were able to kind of reduce down all the way, break down to where it was like an artificial sweetener? I don't know.

I mean, I know petroleum is based for so much shit. Dude, they just, I mean, at that point, it's just chemistry, it's just molding. But isn't that kind of weird though, we made something like to lubricate engines in car? Yeah. And now I'm putting on salad dressing. Yeah, that's true.

Well, if I'm not mistaken, I think Aspertain was originally designed to be to kill rap hoys or something like that. No way. I think so. No way. I think so. I might be making shit up right now. Maybe. Yeah. But yeah, did you fact check me yet, Doug? I'm trying to find this and I'm not about it being used for industrial uses. What do you get? Original, Doug, just look up. Vesable, Vesable Oil was originally used to lubricate engines. That's all. Turned safe, Sir Trough.

I'm just kidding. I don't remember where I read it, but you just reminded me when you started talking about that. And they figured out how to make it so that it wasn't, so it had a neutral flavor and they were able to sell it. Because you know why? Isn't that a biodiesel fuel, like the, the least vegetable oil?

Yeah, that's different, the lubricant. Yeah, what they did was because like, when you take grapes and you make wine, the grape seeds you throw them away. So a lot of the stuff was tossed, and they used it for industrial purposes, and they figured out, oh, we could sell this as a food product. Yeah.

And that's kind of how all. Repurposing waste. I mean, it's been the game forever. I mean, that's how crutons made it in your salad, right? Oh, it was like the crust. Yeah, it's the crust, the leftover. So it just was like, would age and get old and then somebody hit, you know,

and you want to know something gross. I had a buddy that worked at a pizza place that we used to eat at when I was a kid. I don't wanna hear this. You do. I do not. They take the bread, right? And then turn it into the sauce.

He's like, bro, don't eat here anymore. I'm like, why? He goes, the leftover bread that people don't eat, they take it and they turn it into croutons. No, I know it gets cooked and all that stuff, so I'm sure it's done. You could do that? I don't think you can do that.

I think they did though. Yeah, I know. That's a capy legal, right? No. I don't think you can do that. I think they did though. Yeah, I guess they can't be legal, right? No, no. No, save a lot of money though. Margin's on those crutons. They're in the real. You can sell the same shit twice.

Yeah, to get MLM, scheming pizza. Hey man. Nothing goes the way. Yeah, bro, it's crazy. That's a real thing. Yeah, that's what at this restaurant, I don't know for the restaurants. I think a boss can't play with.

We used to go there all the time. I bet you know what the restaurant. I think a boss. Yeah. Can't play with. We used to go there all the time. I bet you know what? I bet it was hella good. Dude, there was a lot of good. There were so good. Everything was good. They had good video games there too.

I mean, when you think about it, your point, they could get at such a high temperature. I bet you any sort of burn off to be in a potential bacteria or a past. Yes, theoretically, of course. Right. But you don't want to know. And when you think about, yeah, anything you think about,

it's probably You're less waste, you know, so I mean that I think it's it's not a bad idea and if we were in a country or a world at a time when Food was scarce like you would actually want to give a shit Yeah, that was a community of people and that was their food like you what a restaurant was so weird like I look back And I'm like always like miffed at what I saw you know all the time like you'd see people that like I have a restaurant who's so weird. Like I look back and I'm like always, like, meft at what I saw all the time. Like you'd see people that like, I have a thing about other people's foods. Like, ugh, I don't, you know, touch other people's food,

but like some service had no shame to their game. Like they'd be going back, you know, in the back to clean up and they'd just be eating. Everybody else is already eating food. What? Yeah, I know I've heard that. I have a whole time. I was like, wow.

Wow, what did you see there, Doug? The thing I'm seeing is that vegetable oils should not be used as a lubricant. It leaves a residue, but what it has been used for is like biofuel. And this is fairly recent though. So I can't prove what you've said, Adam. When you're behind somebody smells like french fries.

Damn it. That's why I get for not saving the whole year. Never, never save your, you were batting 100 there for a second. when you're behind somebody smells like french fries. Damn it. That's why I get for not saving the whole thing. Oh, I don't hear it. Never, never save your fucking life. You were batting 100 there for a second. Well, you know, it wasn't even in my notes to bring up but Sal brought that up and I'm like, oh, that's such a great transition.

You see that? That was, you know, that's what I wanted to tell you guys. It's my fault. It's my fault. It's my fault. It's my fault. It's my fault. Yeah.

Sal's fault. Sal's fault that I didn't have that. Hey, you know what I wanted to tell you guys. It's really funny. You are a, because you're getting to this, I mean, I felt like once your, your son gets to like that, one and a half to, from then on, I feel like every week it's funny. Yes. I feel like every week, there's, there's, there's something that he does or not. We are now at the phase where he, like, like, where he's obviously talking when saying saying a lot more. He will repeat anything you say or whatever. But the newest thing is just like, he will say a sentence that I've never heard him say before.

Like all at once. You know what I'm saying? Like for the very first time, it just comes out of nowhere. I'm like, I didn't even know you knew that. So it's so funny to watch him to do that right now. And he's on this thing where you cannot, you cannot say anything to him without him, like you can't describe him.

If you describe him like good boy, tall, anything, you can't describe him without him. You're like, no, I'm max. I'm max. I know I'm max. I'm like, okay, yes, you're max. I get it, I'm just telling you to do the good boy. You're gonna get job. I'm saying like this. No, I'm max. That's so cute. Yeah, I know I'm max. I'm like, okay, yes, you're max. I get it. I'm just telling you to do a good boy. You're gonna get job

I'm saying like this. No, I'm max. That's so cute. Yeah, I know. It really says this thing now where he wants He's so into cars that he like he has to watch me drive off So he sits if I leave he goes to the front door and he sits down real patiently And he just washes me drive off and I hunk the horn and he goes be deep and I honk and I drive off so cute It's cute as thing ever now you you guys have He goes, be deep and I honk and I drive off so cute, it's cutest thing ever. Now, do you guys have certain things with your spouses that they can just do with your child that you can't

or vice versa, something that you can just do with them, but they can't do. Like, have you, can you think of something? He prefers me to feed him. Oh, interesting. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, he likes it when I feed him. So there's that, and I can't think of too much.

Does Max have his own? No, there's certain things, and the only reason why this is top of mind for me is because it just happened like two nights ago where I came out and she looked at me and she got like this dirty look. She's like, it makes me so mad you can do that. And I was like, she's like, I can't do that.

I cannot, he wants to cuddle with her and stuff like when she's, when we're tucking him in, and I can literally walk in there and say, okay, it's time for bed, good night. I'll sit there for like two to three minutes and walk out and walk out. And he's still awake. He'll pop up, you can see him on the camera. He pops up, he sees me go in, he closes doors like that,

and then he lays his head back down. If she does that, he'll cry for her, he'll get up and he'll follow her out. And she has to like be touching him the whole time. So there's many times where she'll be in there for 45 minutes an hour after we've read, and it's bedtime, and maybe he's a little restless, and so she can't get out.

But if I go in there and do that, I can be in there for a couple of minutes, and he can still be wide awake when I leave, but it's like, I kiss him and say, hey, that's it, it's time for bed, dad's going to bed. And then walk out. You know what's so great about that? What you just said, think about what he's getting,

because there's value in both, right? Absolutely. Think about how great it is that he gets both. He gets the value from you, which is, okay, well, I gotta do this, I gotta learn how to self-soothe, and then he gets the value of, I want empathy, I want hugs, and when I feel like. Well, and there's great in both, right?

So obviously it's nice for me that it's, I get an easier time doing that, but then you know what I lose out on, is when he wants to come and cuddle, he wants mom. So there's been times where we had a busy couple of days, right, and I didn't get home till really late. So I had very little time before his bed with him. And then he actually came and crawled in bed

like a five o'clock in the morning. And I, I guys set up and I'm all come to dad. No, he lives over here. Yeah, for like a minute, he'll put his head in the middle. See you later. Yeah, bold time. He went home and I'm like, because she's, you know, she is.

She's the nurture. She's, she's fostered that, which is also what makes difficult for her to get out, you know, and to let go of him and I'm so great. I feel this way. I feel for single parents because they have to balance all you have to try to be both with the balance all of that like when do I push when do I pull like man? It's hard when there's two parents or multiple people helping to raise a kid you can you know one person can be a little harder one person can be a little softer and kid, you can, you know, one person can be a little harder, one person can be a little softer, and the kid gets the balance of both. So we had, I'd stay in Effortine on just recently and we were talking about like training

kids and all that. And so I was like, inspired, I had already been kind of working with my kids in terms of like, I see this, this shift in their interest in weight training and like seem what I'm doing in there and then also like because they're You know they've been going through gymnastics and really working on body weight and all that stuff for quite a bit now And ever it's been really curious about what I'm doing downstairs And so he comes down kind of watches me sometimes So I had the opportunity the first time ever to teach him something. Oh cool And so I got to teach him how to deadlift and and we did that with

Kettlebells and so I got to teach him how to deadlift and we did that with kettlebells And so I had like a 50 pounder and so we started with that and then he did it like so easy And so I just grabbed my 80 pound like well, let's just see if you can do this and he's only I don't even know how much you Way he's probably like 70 something pounds, right? And so he just Rips it up like nothing and he's so proud of himself, you know, and he's like, and I was like, Q and him the whole way and I videoed it and everything. So he caught his very first deadlift. Yeah. It was pretty great.

And the best part about that is that, you know, the way you got to introduce that, that he came down to Sarah's to see what you're doing, not like the dad who, that has to be such and I'm not there yet, right? So we'll see like one of the challenging things I imagine is when there's something I want my son to do But then I also know better than I mean, obviously I've experienced that a little bit with the the sports and like trying to do that I know better than to like force it down his throat because then he'll reject it, right? So I have to be like Try again, man and playing ball over here He's like cool dad.

Not interesting. Meanwhile, Raylis is like throwing everything in the room. I know I get videos of Sal's kid like this. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, so, I, he, things, I mean, he, he, he spoke late, he's talking later. He literally, I have a video of him riding around on, like, we've had one of those strider bikes forever. My best friend's son, who's a year ahead of him, shit, two years, when his son was like one,

as soon as his kid could walk, he already thought it was cool to be walking around on the bike and then, like, by the time he was two, he was going down hills and then put his feet up on it. Like, I mean, Max has been like, nah. And like, and he's just now, he'll grab his bike and he'll go run around the house and it's over that, you know, he's over three years old now.

So he's just being kind of, so there's still like hope, right? It's on Katrina always, but just, you know, you'll wait. He'll, he'll eventually want to or he'll find interest in it. But yeah, no matter what he's gonna do though, you're gonna find, it's gonna always make you know. Well, you know, I mean, want to or he'll find interest in it. But no matter what he's gonna do though, you're gonna find, it's gonna always make you know. Well, you know, I mean, I, the things that he,

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All right, here comes the show. First question is from Saksam Nigam. How to get the Christmas tree back, especially the lower back, lower lats. That's a question for Justin. Yeah, put some white on you. He's like, what the hell is that? What the hell is that?

So for people who don't know what they're referring to, and this was a... This was cool the first time you ever built the back. Oh, sure. You have to see this. This is bodybuilding, right? So bodybuilders made this popular because it really developed muscles, and they also got really lean. and this was a- This was cool the first time you ever built the back. Sure. You have to see this. This is bodybuilding, right? So bodybuilders made this popular

because it really developed muscles and they also got really lean. What happens is when you bring the arms back and contract your lats, you'll see the insertions of the lats and the erector spina in the lower back. So hopefully we have a picture of what this can look like. And they call it the Christmas tree,

but really what it is is you're looking at a well-develop developed lower back lower lats and low body fat percentage. So if you want this look to your lower back, you got to have muscle and you got to get shredded. You have to get really lean. I would say the most important in this specific one is getting lean. I mean, that's going to be the hardest part. You have lats. And if you just get shredded, you're gonna, and the more pronounced the lats are, the more pronounced, and the more pronounced the lats are, and the more shredded you are, the more pronounced the, because you're just,

you definitely have to get single-digibody fat for this, for most people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I get pretty lean here pretty easily, I would say. So I feel really, so this happens. So when I was competing, my low back factors, like I don't know if this is anybody's competing, maybe they have friends that,

in the competitive world, like that's your buddies that are all competing and into that, like the way you check someone real quick is they're low back. They're low back right there, because that's like just the love of this. You go up to your buddy and check his low back. What do you think about that? Yeah, I'm gonna put my ornaments on you.

Yeah. I'm just like, what the hell kind of friends do? I mean, what's happening? The point of me bringing that up is that that's like one of the last places for body fat on men to typically go. And so yeah, it's, and so it's like this badge of honor to have seen the Christmas tree on your back.

It means you've got to a serious, low single body fat percentage in order to even, and you have to have a develop back. So the combination of having develop back and getting shredded. So if you're a guy and you want this, you're probably gonna have to get at least the 5% body fat range, not the kind of leanness that I would even consider for most people healthy. Now that doesn't mean you can't do it in a more healthy way

and it doesn't mean you can't get there and then get out of there. I definitely think staying there would be not a good idea for most people. You start to notice hormone issues and all that stuff. I also think there's a bit of a genetic component here too. Like, so I had like a pretty crazy Christmas tree when I was competing because, and a lot of that was because I had such a tiny waist and I had really wide shoulders.

So the more exaggerated it is, the more pronounced this is going to be. So if you have like a, if you have boxy hips and you carry, and you carry extra body fat on you, it's gonna be a little bit harder to get to this place. It probably has more to do too with your Latin certions, you know, low, Yeah, to be more specific, yes. Yeah, so low Latin certions, so long muscle bellies,

it's typically what you'll see with bodybuilders. It gives them this bigger look, for example, and you can have lats that attach high or attach lower. It doesn't affect performance. You're still going to perform great either way, but bodybuilders typically have a real long muscle belly. It's a low attachment to the lats. When they're developed and you're lean and then you do where they squeeze their shoulders

back pose, you'll see this kind of shredded low back area. And again, you combine that with the erector spinae. But if you want this, you're gonna have to get shredded. What does that mean? You're gonna have to track, you're not gonna get down to 5% body fat without really counting things. It's just not, you mean you can get down to 10%, 11%

without counting, just doing a good job with healthy eating and good training. Well, you can down to 5%, you're gonna have to start counting calories. It's less about the, and I know that this person is looking for us to give them an exercise, like, you know, do, do, do, good mornings or low back extensions, like,

it's not that those things won't help, you know, develop their rectus pinae and stuff like that, and say the insane pull ups and dead lifts, all those things build your, but what is gonna give you that? Like, if this person is asking this question, if you've been working out for a few years consistently and train your back consistently and you get shredded, you'll have. You'll have it. Yeah. Look up Flex Wheeler Christmas tree low back. Let's use that

picture because that's a really, really famous, him or Dory and the eight. They have the really famous Christmas tree look on the low back. How are they working on their Easter eggs? That's all I know. Yes. Yes. Next question is from Eric Rabay. What is your favorite way to strengthen knee stability? I can squat conventionally in the 400s with great form and depth. I recently tried Bulgarian split squats and was shocked by how unstable my knees were

and how low I had to bring the weight to maintain proper form. So this is not what you think, the great equalizer. Most likely to deal with the anchor, the hips, where the instability is up. This is not what you think. So the reason why you feel it unstable in the knee, so first of all, look at the knee anatomy. And really the knee doesn't rotate. The knee doesn't bend laterally. Yeah, it's floating.

It flexes and extends, right? So, you know, and yeah, we can get deeper into the anatomy of the knee, but it just bends, and it, so if flex isn't extends, that's it. You can't twist it, you can't bend it laterally. But what can twist, and what can bend laterally? Well, the hips and the ankles. So when those are unable to stabilize in those directions,

if your hips are having trouble, or your ankles are having trouble stabilizing twisting forces or lateral forces, then what you'll feel are the lateral ligaments or the meniscus of the knee, because now these ligaments are trying to prevent your knee from twisting in half or bending laterally. And so it's gonna feel like

you need a hard stability. But it's not knee instability. It's hip and ankle for the most part. Now, you can have knee instability. If you have imbalances in your quadriceps and your hamstrings and maybe your patella, which is your kneecap, is tracking improperly not stuff.

But that's probably not what's happening based off this question. Squatting 400 pounds of great form of depth, then I go to a bull game and I split stance squat. What's happening here? One leg is in front of the other and I'm probably getting lots of lateral tension, right? My knee wants to go out one way or the other,

or maybe rotating, maybe even my hips are a little unbalanced, and so I'm feeling this twisting, you know, force on my knee, and my knee doesn't do that. So what's feeling the pressure, my meniscus, my lateral ligaments, those are the things that I'm feeling, and it's gonna feel unstable, it's not gonna feel right. Well, my lateral ligaments, those are the things that I'm feeling, it's going to feel unstable, it's not going to feel right. Well, yeah, the simpler way to say this is that when you do Bulgarian split squat, the ankle and

hip are challenged with stability. When you do it bilaterally, both feet on the ground, you have way more stability with both feet on it. Especially if that's what you're trained. Right. So you're not challenged very much there. The minute you go into a split stance like that, now both are being challenged, both ankle and stability and hip stability are being challenged. And this could be a simple as good priming movements before. So if you actually prime those two areas really well, like the stuff that we have in prime pro, and then do maybe like a little bit of strength exercise for it, which you're going to get by doing some primal lateral sled drags.

Sled drags my favorite now. This is, I mean, this is what people don't realize. The body has these governings, like these checks and balances to be able to allow for more force production, more strength, and it won't allow for that if there's instability there that's glaring and it's obvious. It's gonna reduce that substantially to keep you safe and manage you appropriately that way.

So, if you're in a stable environment, you're going to be able to do a lot more weight and be able to overcome that because your body will produce enough force to overcome that. But in that situation, you're not going to be able to do as much weight because it's already that all those factors are moving against you. I love the questions like this because this is the part of training that I really enjoy is. Yeah, because for them, intuitively, it's their knee. Well, I feel in my knee. Yeah. You have no idea it's hip and ankles. Yeah. And here's the thing that happens, right?

So this where injury occurs is when people ignore this. The instability is there, but then they know they're really strong. They can squat 400 pounds. So doing, you know, 20 pound Bulgarian, that's so sissy. So I'm going to load it. And they still load it instead when the, because they know they have the strength in the quads and the glutes and the hamps to, to drive more up than their body weight. And so they assume that they can just keep stacking on, but they, what they haven't dress is the stability in the hips and the ankles. And now something's gotta give. And your body's already trying to tell you,

because it's all unstable and wobbly. It's trying to give you the signal that like you don't have good hip and ankle stability. Now get more stable and strong from doing those come back to your by-loaded squat. Wow, like what a difference and how much more weight you can lift. It's literally like if you've ever driven a car

and tried to go as fast as the car will allow you and then you hit the rev limiter, a lot of cars have a rev limiter. They can go faster than their the manufacturer allow you to so you'll drive, you're like, oh my god, I'm going fat and then all of a sudden the engine kind of shuts down. Your body's got rev limiter too.

And one of the rev limiter is, and this one of the main ones is, we're not gonna let you lift more weight than we think is safe. And if you don't have stability, that's what your body's gonna do. So you're not gonna be able to lift as much on a Bulgarian because your body's rev limiter

is kicking in way early. Now you go past it, like Adam said, injury. Now I hurt myself. And by the way, when I hurt myself, it's my knee. And so I'm gonna, it's gonna continue to reinforce. I have a bad knee. Correct. It, when I hurt myself, it's my knee. And so I'm going to it's going to continue to reinforce. I have a bad knee. Correct. It's going to reinforce the idea that it's my knee. No, it's probably not your knee. It's probably the joints around the knee that can rotate, that can bend laterally, that don't have the strength to support in those directions. So those ligaments were doing it and those ligaments gave out and now you got hurt.

Next question is from Luca Curran. Can you do too much low intensity cardio? I'm currently in a muscle building phase, averaging around 17,000 steps a day, and my strength is going up, but my weight is the same. Should I decrease my steps or not worry about it? If you want a gain decreasing your steps, you'll probably gain.

I mean, 17,000 is a lot. You could bring it down to 10,000 and still get plenty of stuff. I'm 17 years old, six foot and 115 pounds. Is that right? Yeah. That's what it says. Yeah. I would definitely decrease the steps, but I would also bump my calories through the roof. He's the lean. Yeah. Yeah. I would bump the calories. I would reduce the steps. But the question, the main question is, can you do too much low intensity cardio? Yeah. You could do too much of anything. Well, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we of anything. Well, we're, we're, we're, and what, why I'm pointing out that he's six foot tall at 115 pounds and he's doing 70,000. So he's probably where it's detrimental to

someone like this is, this person's probably potentially trying to build muscle. I would assume. Yeah, because I want to get more and doing that many, that many steps, you're burning away more calories. Yeah. And you're probably having a hell of a time eating enough to actually put on weight. So here is a case where even though we encourage our audience for the generally to walk more and more activity, here's an example of where the exception to the rule. I would tell this kid to stop moving around.

So if your goal is to build muscle and put weight on because you're 115 pounds and six foot tall. Just lift weights. Yeah, lift weights and do not go out of your way to add more activity and steps. And I mean, I wasn't this extreme lean, but I was like, I think I graduated high school at 135 and like six foot, so I get it.

I played basketball and like, one of the first things that put size on me was just stopping playing so much basketball, because I was burning so much. It's interesting he's gaining strength at the same time too, but yeah, for him to want to gain size and that being a calorie issue, and him doing adapting to such a high amount of calorie burn,

that's definitely something to manipulate to then gain size. Well, at 17, part's definitely something to manipulate to then gain a size. Well, at 17, part of what he may be seeing in strength gains is just the CNS adapting to it. It's all neural endopathy. Yeah, yeah, it's mostly that. Which eventually can lead to muscle if you feed your side. Right, right.

That's just him. He'll probably stay stuck this way until he gets to a place where he's actually consuming more calories and he's burning every day. And so, and that's the question is about his scale weight is staying the same. And I'm assuming that why he brought that up and gave us his weight is I'm trying to gain some weight and am I potentially doing too much less? Like yeah, you don't need to be doing any work. When I was 17 and I had been working out already at this point for a few years,

I think it was a hundred and I want to say 170 pounds, about six foot. And I had to eat, I graduated high school at 170. No, I graduated high school closer to 190. But I had two. Wow. Well, I remember, I was at 185. Yeah, but I was obsessed with building and gaining. Wow, you can support so much bigger than I was. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

Yeah, I know. Bro, I graduated high school at 135. Yeah, but you didn't really lift. You played lots of sports. You weren't necessarily able to live, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, early, see, I was five, three as a freshman. Wow. Five, three as a freshman, and then I got, I shot all the way up to like five, 11 my junior year. God, how hard, I mean, it would be hard for you to gain weight because all the calories probably want to grow in your height. And I was like, super active kid. Yeah, and all I did was lift.

And, but to gain weight, I had to consume north of 3500 calories. Easily. It just, it just wouldn't happen unless I ate a ton of food because of that age. So, the reason why I'm saying this is for this kid right here is who's you know wrote this question Look at how many calories you're eating every single day and bump them by at least 500 maybe closer to 800 calories a day That will make a huge difference in the weight gain huge and you have to do it consistently Here's the key some kids will do this and they'll do it for like three days and then they'll fall off for two or three days.

Like every day, day in and day out. All the school kids are trained. Yeah, they're just terrible at the consistency factor. Next question is from William Break. What are the indicators that I am training with the right volume? Okay, so you're progressing, you're getting stronger, you're getting better at your lifts,

and then here's the biggest one, you feel good. You guys just say you don't have aches and pains. You feel good, you're not sore, you're not lethargic and burnt out and tired, you don't need tons of pre-workout just to get you through the workout, you feel super energized, you feel healthy, and you feel good. Now here's the challenge with that.

I still get challenged with this to this day. I'm 43 years old, I've been doing this forever. When I feel good and I feel energized, the first thing I think is, let me add more, because I feel so good, I could do more. That's a huge mistake, because then you start to go down the other side,

which is the point of diminishing returns, and then negative returns. Actually, we'll start to get less for time spent, and then I'll push to the point where I start to get backwards with my progress. So those are the main things, it's like you got to feel good. The other challenge that people have with this too though is actually applying too much volume right out the gates.

Right, so. And we haven't set on the podcast a long time, I've been on here many times saying that, our goal is to do as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change. So if you're just getting started and you're trying to figure out, like, how do I know I'm doing the right volume? Well, the right volume is as little as possible to elicit change.

So if I'm actually doing just a few exercises and my body is slowly building muscle, I'm burning fat, I'm getting fitter, I'm getting stronger, leave it until you sort of see that progress slow or stall and then increase volume. And that was something that I didn't understand for a really long time. I always went to the hole. If I feel good, I could do more, do more, more will get me more muscle when again, it's not like that. It's like this fine dance that we're that we're doing. And if you are applying too much volume too soon, you may not see the negative things, like the joints hurting and maybe even stalling

of progress yet, but you're doing more than you need to in order to list at change. And so keep that in mind. It's not about how much you can do to get results. It's about how little you can do to get results. Literally, that's what it's all about. Because doing more or going past the point of ideal means you're gonna get less and worse results.

And then you combine that with the fact that you're using more time up in the gym, wasting more time in the gym. It's like a massively inefficient. It's a terrible approach to exercise. But it's a tough one because again, when you feel good, especially if you love exercise, you think, well, I can do more. By the way, before you add volume, because I know you said that out, I'm like, you feel good and your if you love exercise, you think, well, I can do more.

By the way, before you add volume, I know you said that out, I'm like, you feel good and your progress starts to stall, add volume. There's a lot of things you could do before you even add volume. Change the exercise, add the load, make the exercise itself more intense. Just your rest periods. That's it. All the acute variables, you can manipulate. Before adding volume.

Before adding volume, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I think that you guys pretty much nailed what I was going to say anyway. Well, I mean, I think where this time adding volume is one of the simplest quickest ways to build muscle. It's the it's the it's the best to form you love for that. Like in fact, I didn't become like a big volume tracker until the competitive days because that's when it really started. Like when I had to go show over show and if I was gonna win, I had to improve every single and that for the first time in my life, I had to get that crazy about it where I was in it. No, it's the formula used.

What was it? It was weight times sets, sets reps, weight, and multiply all them out. That's your total one. Yeah, and I did that per muscle group, right? So if I and then and then what I would do is Each show I would go okay, I'm gonna try and improve. I would maintain the rest of like maintain my volume on the My other muscles and then the one I'm focusing on I would drive volume up and I would creep it up over the weeks leading into

My prep how was there a number of volume that you would aim for like you're not gonna on, I would drive volume up and I would creep it up over the weeks leading into my prep. How was there a number of volume that you would aim for? Like you're not going to do a crazy jump in volume. No, like 5%. Very little. Okay. As long as it was going on. In fact, the goal was always to every, because here's what I found when I was interested.

So the goal was always to make sure I at least hit the same volume if not just a tiny bit more. Tiny bit. Yeah, because what I had found when I first started tracking, just like with nutrition and you like, so you have some eye opening moments is that, I was like, wow, and I've brought this up a long time ago on the show, like what I found is that we in our heads, we think we're progressing volume a lot of times.

And it's like you just have a good week. But then when it's happens, it's interesting how, when you're not tracking, you're not paying attention, how easily you kind of fall into homeostasis where you fall into a volume you like. And when I found when I first really started tracking diligently, I was like, oh, I actually kind of do this.

I'm not doing this. Or even like this. And that's what I wanted to do was like, okay, here's the beginning of my training. Here's my total volume. It doesn't matter the number, right? Because I don't remember what my training depends on how strong you are,

because obviously weight and weight can go up, right? If you're stronger, the total volume you move really matters on where you, just like our diet, where am I at now? And then how do I tweak from there? And so I figure out where, okay, this total volume on all these muscles gives me this physique. Okay, I want a better chest. all these muscles gives me this physique, okay?

I want a better chest. So now the training protocol the next three to four months, I've got to maintain the volume on everything I'm doing and slightly increase it just a tiny bit on my chest week over week. And when I was tracking, again, what I saw in the past was I would typically do this where now the goal was to just barely.

Now one thing I wanna add, because again, the formula for those of you that missed it, it's weight time sets times reps. Now that's within a, in a appropriate or reasonable rep range. And the reason why I say that, so I would go five to 15 reps is where I would stay within.

Because you can mess with this formula by doing like a hundred reps with a lightweight. Now it looks like you're doing tons of volume, but a hundred reps is not really muscle building. So because you kept your reps within those reasonable ranges. Yes. But within that, then you would do the formula. Well, what I really did was I followed our like maps protocol as far as our foundational training. And then this is, I mean, this is how we built a static. You know, I was following a very maps and a ball of type of protocol, but then the way I modified it

was increasing volume on specific muscles that I wanted. And that is the birth of maps aesthetic is, was basically how I would go after it. Now obviously in maps aesthetic, we kind of lay it out for people, but we know that it's going to calculate to be more volume because we're adding these focus sessions days. So that was the logic behind that programming was that is how I approached getting ready for a show is I had my foundational training. And then if I wanted to move, change body parts, I would just slowly increase volume on those one to two areas for show.

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