Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1934: What to Do When Fat Loss Has Stalled, Ways to Build VO2 Max, Tips for the Beginning Powerlifter & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: October 29, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: One of the BEST muscle-building hacks for fitness fanatics is to take time OFF! (2:20) Pesticides and glyphosates are everything these days! (12:23) In the belly of the best with the current state of the economy. (19:43) Money and power. (24:40) Why do we glorify serial killers? (29:37) When you get a weird compliment from a guy. (39:05) Busting the myth that it is more expensive for you today than your parents. (40:56) Caffeine is a hell of a drug. (44:58) Nesting is a real thing. (50:34) #ListenerLive question #1 - Is it okay to do more than the programming in MAPS Powerlift?  (59:03) #ListenerLive question #2 - Would you agree that rowing is a superior form of cardio exercise (compared to running, cycling, Stairmaster, etc.) if the goal is to improve VO2 max while maintaining or building strength? How would you compare the benefits of the rower to the benefits of the sled? (1:12:40) #ListenerLive question #3 - Any advice on how to improve upon an upper-to-lower body imbalance? (1:23:59) #ListenerLive question #4 - Any advice on helping my client lose body fat when cutting and reserve dieting isn’t working? (1:33:20) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] MIND PUMP LIVE Q&A W/ MAX LUGAVERE Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Kreatures of Habit the PrOATagonist for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MP25 at checkout** October Promotion: MAPS Symmetry or MAPS Strong HALF OFF! **Promo code OCTOBER50 at checkout** How Much Training is Necessary to Maintain Strength and Muscle? MAPS 15 Minutes Pesticide linked to chronic kidney disease High exposure to glyphosate in pregnancy could cause lower birth weights in babies Mind Pump #680: Dr. Zach Bush On How To Restore Gut Health New Study of Protein Powders from Clean Label Project Finds Elevated Levels of Heavy Metals and BPA in 53 Leading Brands TikTok Parent ByteDance Planned To Use TikTok To Monitor The Physical Location Of Specific American Citizens The Macabre Story Of Ed Gein, The Serial Killer Who Used Human Body Parts To Make Furniture Experts Call for Mass Killers' Names to Be Kept Quiet The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America’s Wealthy Man dies from caffeine overdose after drinking equivalent of 200 cups of coffee Watch The Playlist | Netflix Official Site Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Powerlift   MAPS Fitness Prime Pro MAPS Cardio MAPS Aesthetic Mind Pump #1745: How To Pack On Muscle To Your Lagging/Stubborn Body Parts MP Holistic Health Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Zach Bush, MD (@zachbushmd) Instagram Christopher M. Naghibi (@chrisnaghibi) Instagram Ben Pollack, Ph.D. (@phdeadlift) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Jason Phillips (@jasonphillipsisnutrition) Instagram Eric Trexler (@trexlerfitness) Instagram

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and then use the code October 50 for the discount. All right, here comes the show. One of the best muscle building hacks for fitness fanatics is the following. Take some time off. This one is the lesson I continue. I was just gonna say I feel like this is you. I should've talking to yourself, right?

Should I use the word learn or should I use the word learning? Daily after me. Yeah, I don't know if you really learned your lesson. Never. If you're still talking. You know, it's funny about this. So it's okay, look. The data's clear on this. When they show D-load weeks, so you guys now, like, people will program a D-load week.

So you work out for six weeks hard. Then you have your D-load week where you go in it, like, you know, 40% intensity or whatever. The muscle growth in the D-load week is significantly higher than it is on the hard weeks. Okay, that's what they're showing studies. Then there's studies that show, there's not one that we've coded many times out of where.

Yeah, one of seven. Yeah, we have those two, no, no, see the other one, they had two groups of people. And one group worked out three weeks straight, took a week off, three weeks straight, took a week off. The other group worked out every single week. Right. At the end of the study, the results were the same.

Okay. So it's just kind of crazy because a lot of weeks, that's one week off, every fourth week. At the end of the study, the results were the same. Okay, so which is kind of crazy, because a lot of weeks, that's one week off, every fourth week is off. Right. So, and then, reading about old-school bodybuilders, old-school bodybuilders would often take a whole month off a year.

Well, I also think that I would add to studies that I think of value to your point you're making right now is the other study, which I originally thought you were a little too, which is the one, and you only need one seventh of volume to maintain. I think it might even been one ninth. No, it's one seventh. Was it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's one, I heard you quote one ninth the other day and I was gonna correct you, but it's like whatever. It's a lot. It's a lot, so it's way less. Yeah, it's way less you gotta do to maintain than when it took to actually get there. So the combination of all those studies together

says to me that, you know, there's there's tremendous value, especially for advanced lifters, right? So this conversation is more appropriate for your ultimately consistent handboy of fitness, not necessarily your everyday average present, but that struggles to get there. Yeah, this is not for John who can't string together two or three days a week. Yeah. This is for, you know, I'm talking to John. I feel like John's consistent. I think it's Susan who's really inconsistent. Yeah, Susan.

Yeah, but you guys are shaming Susan. Yeah, I mean, this is for the person who's very consistent, weekend and week out. So I'll give you guys a personal story. There's always something that reminds me of this every year or two. I always fail to really learn this because it's so hard to judge. It's so hard to judge primarily because there's the right nut, we said this so many times, right? There's the right amount that will give you the best results, and then there's the most you could tolerate. There are two

different amounts. I have a tendency, I think like everybody or most people who are very consistent, we have a tendency to push towards what we can tolerate because we do the right amount, we get good results, and then the volume somehow goes up. And now here's where I got mixed up this time. So I think I've been on TRT now for over a year and a half, right? It's been a year and a half now. It's been that long? Or maybe a year or under a year? Maybe a year.

Because it was, yeah, because it was right when we started with regenerative. Right. So I was down. My testosterone was probably out of range or low. Now looking back at symptoms for at least a few years. So I was dealing with that. Then I bring my testosterone through medication up to the upper limit of what is considered normal.

So there's a big difference in terms of how I feel, way more energy, blah, blah, blah. So I'm working out and I'm just getting stronger, right? Because now I have adequate testosterone. And as I'm getting stronger, I'm just getting stronger, right? Because now I have adequate testosterone. And as I'm getting stronger, I'm doing more workload, I'm working out more in the gym. But here's the problem. Getting stronger, meaning you lift more weights,

that also adds volume to your total work. In other words, 10 sets of squats at five reps with 300 pounds is more volume than 10 sets of squats for five reps with 300 pounds is more volume than 10 sets of squats for five reps with 200 pounds. We tend to think, and this is the mistake I fall for, sets and reps, but I keep forgetting the load. Like, I'm lifting more weight just because I feel much stronger. So I'm looking at my workouts and I'm like, well, the volume isn't that much more. So it should be okay. But the reality is my volume was higher because I'm stronger. Anyway, what's the moral of story?

The moral of story is we I know I do this I tend to judge My volume by well, I can do it. I seem to be pretty recovered. I don't have injuries So I think I'm doing pretty well But I'm not necessarily counting all the factors because I don't track and all that other stuff So recently I hurt my wrist you guys know this, I don't know what I did to it. I had to take about three days off from working out. Low and behold, I get, I work out again and I go light because my wrist is still hurting and I'm like strong, I'm getting crazy pumps, I feel good, I look at Adam and I'm like,

of course, I had to take some time off, you know, I kind of got forced. So I think it would be wise, and this is now where I think the intuitive part of training Of course, I had to take some time off, you know, I kind of got forced. So I think it would be wise, and this is now where I think the intuitive part of training may be there's this is a challenge for a lot of people. I think if you're really consistent, you probably should schedule a week off every six to eight weeks. I don't think you'll do it by feel. What a hard, hard dance though, right?

Like, you know, Like most people and I would I wouldn't even include myself in this category is is always working towards being consistent and that's that's a consistent battle and struggle with life and so you finally get consistent and to think that and then you're like take time off. Yeah you know's such a, I think more importantly than the taking time off, I think would be just to really de-load, to really reduce the amount of volume that you're doing. And I mean, I think Maps 15 is a perfect way to do that. I think that, and part of why I thought, or why I think I saw such great results of reducing on that is because I had been training consistently pretty well,

and I was strong, and so I was able to do two exercises, lift with decent amount of weight, so I was able to maintain a decent amount of volume still to hang on to muscle mass, but then also reduce it enough that I wasn't feeling like the joint pain or inflammation going on, I felt really good going to each workout. It's just, it's interesting because it's, it's less than you think, usually, right? If you're super consistent, fanatic, with exercise, it's less volume, less intensity, less everything than you think you need.

And we tend to push it, because I like the mental effects, I like the workout itself. So I know I'm always gonna trend towards doing more and more and more. So my argument is it's probably wise to schedule it. So you said schedule like a deload week, sure. But I think what you should do is put it in your calendar and not wait till you think you need, you know,

like, oh, I feel like I need a time off. Because that can be hard to judge. I mean, I think I'm pretty good at it, but I'm really not as good as I think I have. Yeah, no, I don't think you're that good at it. I think you're, I mean, I think I'm pretty good at it, but I'm really not as good as I think I. Yeah, I don't think you're that good at it. I think you're I mean, I think you're out of the four of us. I think you would be the most borderline addicted to training that out of all of us. So you're, you're the most likely to do that. Yeah, when should you say that? I mean, that's a double, that's a double edge sort, right? I mean, it's, it's a positive sign. It's also what makes you amazing and consistent and disciplined and state that relatively

in the best shape year round, but it also means that you're more likely to lean on that than the other directs. Yeah, yeah, but also thinking about this way, like, even for you, right? It's hard to judge just because of your history and how fit you've been in the past. It's almost like it probably would be wise to schedule in your workout plan.

Okay, if I stay this consistent, then I'll make sure this week is one of these weeks. Yeah, I mean, I like the idea of that. But going back to my original point is I think that, you know, like if I said, okay, November, the week of November 20th, I'm going take that week off, that's my plan. Okay, well, if all things work out perfect from now to then, I'm really consistent, then that makes a lot of sense, but the reality is, my life doesn't tend to happen that way. It, you know, I get cold and then I cut back,

or I get busy, or something happens, and so that- So naturally, they're all- So naturally, that ends up happening, right? So, I think for me, the biggest lesson is just realizing that as I've gotten older, as I've gotten stronger, as I've also learned to have more effective sets, I just need less. Think about that too.

You guys have been, we've all been lifting for over 20 years. Think about how effective your three sets of squats is today versus what it was say 10, 15 years ago. That's exactly right. And so why is this, the reason why this is such an interesting conversation is because as you become more advanced and you're more consistent, you tend to think you need more and more and more.

Whereas you probably need less because, well, that's a great reason. Like three sets of a squat was someone who's got 10 years of experience squatting. They're going to make those three sets extremely effective, just naturally. You're not even sitting there trying necessarily. You just make them real good. Plus the load, lifting more weight because you're stronger. Well, that adds to the volume.

So all of that, and I know, like those of us who are consistent, we tend to do more than is necessary. And if you add that up over weeks, months, you know, years, well, that then taking time off makes a big, I took three days off, just three days. And you know what, also was that conversation we had with Mike Matthews, where he said he was suffering from insomnia for like a year and couldn't figure out what the hell it was.

Okay, blue light exposure, eating before bed, like he did everything, didn't work. And he's like, maybe I need to reduce the volume of my training. He cut his volume down by a quarter, boom. You got good sleep all of a sudden. I mean, it's just one of those things to pay attention to. And yeah, I'm definitely not immune to it.

You know, kind of crazy. Speaking of health and immunity, two interesting studies I saw in Science Daily, ScienceDaily.com, great website where you can go, you can find new studies that are published and you can kind of break them down and see if they're relevant or not. So there's two of them.

One of them shows that a commonly used pesticide has now been connected to kidney dysfunction, a 25% increase in kidney dysfunction. Okay. And then there was another one, this is a glyphosate study. So glyphosates are this popular class of herbicides. So roundup is a famous glyphosate. GMO foods are largely designed to be able to handle glyphosates. So genetically modified corn, for example, you could spray the shit out of it with glyphosates and the corn has been genetically modified

to not die from the herbicide, but all the surrounding weeds and stuff do die. So this is how... Do you know the mechanism with the insect eats it like how they die? It's like a poison basically, but like, is it, like, how does it disrupt everything? So herbicides kill plants. There are, I don't know if they're on the market yet, but there are modified plants that

produce their own pesticides, which is something different. Yes, something different. Yeah, something different We had all slightly worried that we're also pushing this agenda to eat bugs as a protein source And this is what fucking eats clef say it's all right. I know right like have we not thought about all this? Is that even has that been discussed at all? We consume the bugs we consume the vegetables and the plants and all this stuff that's getting sprayed to hell. I don't know which one of you brought up the conspiracy theory about why the aliens looked away, but I think that's the best conspiracy theory I've heard you guys say yet. I don't know who said that first.

That they're humans from the future? Yes. Because it looks like they have no genitalia. You know, that the big one. Yeah. And that's them kind of come back. If you were to put a simulation of evolution, like going into thousands of years from now, and you just would see, the genitalia gets smaller. Because it's already they're showing

that the distance from your butt and your fingers, basically, of the bunch. So the the the the the t-tank is shrinking. It's shrinking. Yeah. So what does that mean? I mean, they think it's it's environmental like estrogens. Xenoestrogens. So the boys are getting their basic because the stochonal levels are dropping. It's one of the theories. It's our for the most part is our business the same or is it

shrinking or getting I think it affects the reproduct it'll probably be shrinking problem is is so old guys are gonna be are gonna have the be packing the most heat is what looks like some young dude keeps going there's some perks Doug see there's some there's some perks you some perks. You know, it's not all bad. It's not all bad, dude. Some young dude talks shit to you, be like, just call him short-taint. Yes.

Anyway, shut your mouth short-taint. What? Anyway, so here's a point. Anyway, back to glyphosate. So here's a point of the so, and they connected glyphosates to lower birth weights and to higher risk of having to be put in intensive care when the born neonatal intensive care.

So what's my point with all this is that there's probably benefits going organic with certain products. There's certain products. For example, there's certain fruits and vegetables that will carry a high pesticide or herbicide load. And then there's others that are lower. Like if you eat an avocado or a banana,

you peel the skin off, probably okay. There's the next tier here, kind of a skin that you can peel off. Usually those are better options. I don't know where I heard that first, but I think that's just simple, great. And actually it actually changes a little. I grocery shop that way now.

I don't hardly ever buy organic avocado or banana anymore. Just to save the money on that because of that. For that exact reason, because it's like strawberries. I think of the ones in the world. Yeah, strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, all the berries for sure, apples, even, peaches, pears, like those are thin skins and you eat the skin.

Yeah, like you, yeah. So that doesn't make sense. But I think that you peel the skin off and you don't eat the skin, it would make sense. Well, so trip off this, right? So the problem with glyphosate in particular is they're so widely used that they often, you know, they go up into the evaporate and get rained down and you'll sometimes find glyphosate residues on things that didn't even get sprayed

with glyphosate. I remember when you did that interview with Dr. Bush that he basically said that we're fucked no matter what. Basically, he said that it goes up in the atmosphere and then rains down on the organic food. And the organic food's getting in there. So, organic, one of the companies we work with is actually, they're organic, but then they're gonna take a step further and also get tested for glyphosate residues.

So they'll guarantee that not only they're organic, but they're glyphosate residue free. So clean, clean, clean, you're not getting any of that shit. So I think it's this kind of stuff and I don't want to get people mixed up, by the way, there's an order of operation. If you're eating too much food or you're eating junk food, I don't care if it's organic. Or if you're not eating enough protein and taking that. There's way more important things. There's a hierarchy for sure. Right, but if you've handled those kinds of things and you're like, okay, well, what's important to be organic? I think protein powder is important because of all the

ingredients that are involved and what's in there. If you take it every day, I should say. So, if you take it daily, certain fruits and vegetables that get just hammered with them make a big difference. But then other things don't make such a big difference. Yeah, well, this is the thing. I mean, Organifi has been great about, even when that study came out about heavy metals that made their way through a lot of these like, quote unquote, organic or vegan protein powders, they definitely didn't show any signs of including that. So they've done the work in terms of like trying to keep their products super You know pure when it comes to that stuff and supplementing supplement companies notoriously just yeah unregulated or There's a lot of yeah shenanigans every time they come out with a study

Do you remember that one that came out while it was a long time ago? I remember what company did this was a third-party company Tested 10 I think it was 10 products. All big names too. Supplement products. And nine of them either didn't have what they said they had, didn't have nearly as much as they said they had in it or had other weird shit that wasn't on the label.

That's 90% of the shit that they tested. That's not like so bad. Not a good. Well, you know, the worst part about someone that, too, is the knee jerk reaction is to send in and have the government regulate. And that's the part that I get wary about talking about that stuff. No. Because you say that and then everyone's like, what the fuck?

Regulate that. You know, and then it's like, no, you don't want that either. So it's like, that's just going to be part of the game, right? Yeah, it's like having an infection on your foot. And then the answer is, we'll just cut your leg off. Like that would, that's not necessarily a better stuff. It's not what people think of regulation. Let's put, let's give, let's give the bad people more power.

It's got to find the good companies. Oh, that's it. Just looking for third party tasks. I can't even, I'll tell you what, finding good companies in the next couple of years is going to be really interesting. I tell you what, we're going to see very few people, our few businesses that we saw explode in the last, I think, five to ten years, I think, hang around for the next couple of years. What do you think?

Do you think we're going to see that? We're going to see a lot of fallout. I think you're going to see massive fallout in the next couple of years. I look back now and I kind of kicked myself on our timing of angel investing. I like, I know. Five.

I mean, we literally, when you really think about it, couldn't have timed it worse. I mean, we really entered that part of the market in the latest, later stage. Now, the saving grace is that it's their partners that we do advertising with the show. And so we've leveraged that. And so we're kind of playing with house money a little bit.

When I look at the people that we're working with, you could try and fucking put a dress on it all you want, bro, it's still a pig right now. Yeah, it's not pretty. It's not pretty. It's just pretty. I'm just it's just gonna be it's just everything was over inflated Everybody was you know 15 times eba da 20 times eba to so at the bare minimum everything's gonna come back down to reality And I think that also all these valuations that were you you know we bought into that I think are gonna dramatically come back down Which means immediately loss

of equity. And then if you're lucky, they survive the shit storm that's gonna happen in the next two to three. Where do you see, because layoffs usually follow. That's coming, right? I guess stock market goes down. It's coming right into it. How do you market this phone?

You saw what you guys see, you guys see what Elon said about Twitter? Oh, he's going to. He's going to. 75% of the workforce. It's gone. It's going to be better. Take there's 7,500 employees down to 75% of the workforce. It's gone. Take there's 7,500 employees down to 2000. Wow. That's cutting heads, dude.

And so, and the, and so. That's also embarrassing. How suck, how suck are you? Yeah, okay. No, here's the thing though. Here's the thing, okay? Yeah, yeah. So, they probably weren't doing much.

Supposedly, okay. This, he's like, he's going to be the first, but then all the rest are to follow. They've all been on hiring frenzy for the last five to 10 years. Just flush with money. Not even real cash though, just on valuation. So just keep getting money. We're growing, we're growing, we're growing, so it's just pumping more money into it, more money to it, higher, higher, higher, higher.

And so what the prediction is, is that everything's going to get tightened up. All these companies like Facebook, like Instagram, they're all going to have to scale back dramatically and start to show real profits in order. Now that is, I'm not saying that any of them are going to die, but to your question, I think that you're going to see 20, 30, 50% layoffs on some of the biggest companies in the area. Okay, I'm glad you gave smaller percentages, because I think of all the social media companies,

Twitter is the least well-run, least profitable, one of the worst converting. Like, meta is that- There's a lot of fat they need to cut. Meta's done a pretty good job. So they're probably at the top. I don't even I don't even know if I would consider them saying that they're doing a good job. I actually think that there's still way over overly.

Staff to yeah, I mean, yeah, okay. And then I don't think meta's going to I also think that Elon would be the the more extreme leader to do that anyways, right? I think that he's more likely to go in. I mean, he's one. He's buying it with that intense. He's going to cut heads. You guys remember the movie office space when the guy that they bring in those like efficiency as you come out.

Yeah. And then they just have the guy sit down. They go, so what do you do? What's your name? Naga. Naga. I'm not going to work here. You're not going to work here.

I've been such a good movie. They're gonna sit down with people at Twitter. So what do you do? I scan tweets for trigger words. Okay, and then I take that. Next, yeah. But I mean, imagine you're right, K. So, you know, unemployment or employment

is a lagging indicator on the economy. Everybody has to start all these big companies are starting to tighten up, which means we're going to see these massive layoffs. And you have massive layoffs and companies that were handing out shares and paying crazy inflated salaries. And so that is even, and that we're in the, in the belly of the beast here in the Silicon Valley. That's where most of these people are employed.

Do you see an increase in Uber drivers? That's actually- That's actually- Gig economy, dude. That's a fair assessment. I mean, there may be other- I mean, like, it's a temporary way to make money if you're gonna get laid off.

Like, I would immediately look at, you know, resources like that out there. Oh, oh, I mean, all joking aside, if I needed extra money, the first place I would look would be one of those. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, people make good money doing that. And not just that, it's just you could jump on it.

Well, and you could do multiple. You could be lift, you could be Uber, you could be door dash, you could be Uber, I mean, you could do all of it. And then, and work, yeah, I know there's a lot of people that make decent money doing stuff too. Speaking of social media, do you guys hear about TikTok? Monitoring certain citizens? Yes. No.

You think this was Adam's news? Well, I had read about it as well. But this is, and just because we're talking about social media. So this is one of those things where when people read about it, they're shocked. And so then I'll position it like this. A company that is owned, this is a social media company, it's widely used in America, that is owned by our biggest competitor, that is also ideologically opposed to us, or their communist country.

It cuts spying and is using that social media company to monitor certain citizens. Oh, what? How could this happen? I mean, the way that's worded though, like, don't you think that's happening on all these platforms? I mean, wouldn't you be like a really bad FBI agent if you didn't utilize all those tools that we have all these idiots that put all their information where I'm at, what I'm doing. If I'm trying to, if cave, I'm like,

I don't know anything about being FBI. I mean, my mind is on Tik Tok right now? Yeah. So like, I'll be doing this with Facebook. But I mean, I don't know any about it, but if I'm trying to solve a case, I'm probably gonna like look to all the social media platformers like, you know what? Hey, did anybody think about actually just looking at his name up real quick on Facebook and TikTok

and Instagram? Oh look, the asshole, the perpetrators right there. And I'm saying like so. He just took a picture of his family. I would think that there are everyone's being monitored somewhat, right? Oh, look, the asshole, the perpetrators right there. You're gonna say it like so. You just took a picture of his. I would think that everyone's being monitored. Yeah, but this is different, right? This is, first off, you already know my position.

I think this is, no government should use any of these entities to monitor you, because it could, I mean, we know that they don't act very well. But this is different though. This is a foreign country, ideologically opposed and competing with us. And there's constant back and forth espionage and messing with each other and siops,

that's always happening. Yeah, there were all a phones that had all that embedded in it. So, but it's just, yeah, this is to me, this is a higher, another level, right? But it's not shocking, I'm with you. It's like, like this is, oh, you just learned that this is a big thing, this is a thing and everybody's shocked about it. No shit.

Now, when you hear that too, like as you guys tend to get a little more worried about, the first thing I think of right away is just, you know, China's extremely competitive with us, especially economically. So I think that they're, it's just to make money. It's like, we're

monitoring people so we could sell them shit better. No, they're monitoring certain citizens. Well, what are the, who are the certain citizens? That's what the, that's what the data, that's what came out. They're monitoring people of interest. So probably people are interested, people that spend hell of money on e-commerce. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait a second. Who the top 10 people have spent money online? That's you. You might be right, but taking a step further. Maybe no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, right? Because they own those companies. Yeah, yeah. It could also be politicians, people who create legislation, or influence legislation, anybody of interest.

So if you're the country of China, I mean, it's basically, you want your companies to be American companies and you want legislation that helps you and you may want to promote images and messages through TikTok that disrupts society because that's what you want. You want us to be a weak society or push. Let's say you want Marxism to gain favor because that's your ideology and you're like it's not popular in capitalist countries. Could you mess with the algorithm to push out subtle messages that

continue push the youth in that direction? You could. So this is a very powerful, very powerful tool. I don't deny that. The question is, what are the motives? I feel like it's a win. I mean, really? Yeah, I mean, kind of, yeah, sure, to win, win over customers and make, make hell of money. I feel like it's always the money thing. Yeah, it's always that. Money and power. Yeah. I mean, I agree.

I don't disagree with that. I just think that it makes news and headlines and it seems I think sometimes scared than what it really is and it's really just bottom. Like they're getting good at finding ways to... Now here's the rub, right? So a politician in America would come out and say,

hey, this news came out, China is using TikTok to spy on us, even though they're spying on us too, with Facebook and everything else. So then what they'll say, we need internet regulation to keep you guys safe. That's the Trojan horse. Yeah, That's the Trojan horse. Yeah, that's the Trojan horse. Yeah, we need them to make sure they hand select the content.

You guys want to be safe, right? We need to be in control of the internet and we need to regulate all this shit because you never know what China's gonna do. So you guys were talking earlier about what's his name again, the, the, not Ted Bundy, the other one that eats people. Oh, Jeffrey, Jeffrey Dahmer. He's the one that eats people. Oh, Jeffrey, Jeffrey Dahmer.

The one that eats people. You guys see that it's a hungry guy. Did you guys see the whole upboard about the costumes? Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna lose that, but yeah, that was part of it. That's hijack your name. Yeah. That was part of it.

But you put your newstaker. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, the other point was like, so there was another one. I never heard of this guy. It was a serial killer. I guess he killed a few people, not quite as many as Thomas, so probably didn't get as much publicity, but he did some just real

nasty things to these bodies and actually went to the morgue and like dug up, you know, some bodies and all these things and made like furniture out of people. I had no idea this guy existed. Ed Gain, I believe his name is, but like made like lampshades out of skin. What? Made like little coffee tables.

Like, shut up. I was like, this guy's creating. You know what else did that? It's creative. That was, was it Dr. Mengley? Is he the Nazi scientist that experimented on? Oh, gosh. Choose. Yeah, he did that.

They did which yeah terrible. I didn't know that humans are capable of so I remember I told you guys that it would be you know, Domer would be the number one costume. And now what people are people are saying if you dress up like Domer,

I'm gonna get this. Well, no, there's you know, you know, who's coming forward are the fucking victims. Of course. Oh yeah. And they're enraged. They're enraged at Netflix for even making the show because they're like,

you've now glorified somebody who has fucking tortured our family for the last, I don't know how many decades. You know what makes me upset about this? Is I get the blame on Netflix, I get it. But goddamn it, take responsibility consumers. If you don't click on it and watch it, Netflix ain't making shit like that. Well yeah, but I mean, okay,

the victims aren't fucking watching it. It's everybody else. That's right. It's what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the victims. I'm talking about everybody that complains about shit. Like stop watching it. You know what I mean? Don't click on it. Don't watch it. I mean, it's such a weird thing to have to discuss, right? Because it's like, everybody in here is obviously pro-free speech and that we would never say, oh, you can't talk about this, right? Yeah. But then at the same time too, I have incredible empathy for the family that went, the family that actually went through all that stuff.

So it's like, where's the line here? There's a lot of it. It's a weird human sort of conundrum. It's like we're drawn to these tragedies and these, we're just like, there's this curiosity to it because it's like, I would never in a million years like think up these things.

We're also awful opportunists too. Like so like right away that that comes out and it's like you're a costume designer and you're like, oh my God, it's so much. Cause you know, cause you know consumer fucking lay up, let's me and costumes out of it, let's promote this on it, let's make memes out of it. So it goes like right away, you see the opportunity.

Cause you know consumers want it. You know, it's crazy. I mean, people know this. You got, I think you know this, Justin, because you know, we're shit. Serial killers often get tons of female fans when they're in prison. Love notes and women who like follow them.

What's the psychology behind that? What's the psychology on that? No idea. What's the psychology on that? I know psychology on that? No idea. What's it? What's the psychology on that? It's I can make him a nodding man or something like that. Yes No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no bitch. You got to know the door but watch this. Oh man, poor guy. Especially the ones that murder women specifically. They're like, oh, here's my number.

Oh no, no, no, no. Look it up. There is a psychologist. There is. I actually looked it up before. It's the same reason why vampires are so attractive to women. Remember, we read about this. Vampires are attracted to women because they're sexy looking,

but they have the wisdom of a super old man. They could kill you and they're murderous, but they're so enthralled by you that they refuse to kill you. So it's like this ultimate, like, so you got to blame Romeus novels. Yeah. Is that what we're doing now? No. I think it's connected.

It's like, he's a crazy, God poor guy went through terrible things, but I know if we met, if you just love me so much, right, he just didn't receive enough love. Yeah. He's not going to stab me. By the way, somebody in our forum commented and said, Hey, Sal, where's the data to support what you said about posting serial killers, names and mass shooters, names that it causes more of these things that happen. So I said, okay, well, I'll do the Google for you. And I, let me whip out the light machine. Yeah, you used the most advanced invention ever that we all have.

Anyway, I looked it up and sure enough there's data. And the fact that was an international group of scientists that had written, I think it was in 2017, had written a paper urging Western nations. Please, please, please stop printing these people's names, stop making them celebrities, stop whatever. Don't even talk too closely about the details because that will trigger other people. See, what's interesting to me is that we fucking know that because remember when I've shared

with you guys the stat on bank robbers. Yes. Like, that happens all the time and they don't make the news because we make they make sure to suppress that. They make sure it doesn't get out there because they're so goddamn successful. Damn, thanks. So, but I mean, think about this.

We're not willing to do it for a serial killer and stuff like that. We're not going to suppress that freedom of speech. Let everyone do it. We're trying. But it comes to protecting our, our, and, are fairly insured money. We're gonna, we're gonna keep that under on the rafts when the guys come in and rob fans of giving us

a shitty nicknames instead of like, the right ones. The tiny Peepy Killer, yes. Yeah, though, that way we do some prison. Yeah, it does make a completely out of it. How many banks are robbed a day? Or banks robbed a week? Oh, wait, hold on, hold on, this is the term, by the way.

Okay, hold on. Sentmental health experts have compared infatuation with killers to extreme forms of fanaticism. They view such women as insecure females who cannot find love in normal ways or as level-voident females who seek romantic relationships that cannot be consummated. And it's called, bris doffy

This is like an extreme version of the woman who like hunts the married man all the time maybe it's like these three like the ultimate I can't the ultimate I can't have them but I'm still gonna try and get after them There's a second though. There's a second theory here Because of sexual arousal triggered by danger. That's the one I'm more familiar with. I've heard that. That's what, is that why you wear the ammo belt around your chest when you have sex?

Yeah. You said that because it works. I keep a big butcher down there. I just walk in this. We're like coffee shops. What's that for? What's that for? This guy is crazy.

You'll see, you'll see. How was that to that? Hey, but I know you want to have sex, but I'm enraged right now for? What's that for? This guy's crazy. You'll see, you'll see. How was that to that? Okay, but I know you want to have sex, but I'm enraged right now. So let's just try. Oh my God. Is that blood on your shirt? That's too much.

I just killed someone when I have sex. But, you know, that's a true thing though, that they find that, there was this, I read this article, it's pretty funny. They said, one of the best places to take a date if you're a guy is to a scary movie. And they said that... Does the increased chances? Increases arousal and... Yeah. Is it okay to offer that? That's a really cool one. I tried that. We did a...

Statistically speaking, what is the... What is your... Whoa, would you just say it worked? The first date with Cortez, Hillsav ice. Did it work? No, it didn't work. Yeah, because it was, I don't know, it was a Rob Zombie film. It was like, it was like, Glory is too boring. It was like so gory. There was like mutants raping people. You need like, like boots.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You need a loose gear. Yeah, boots are not like, gory. Not like, you went too far. Yes, too far. You think I had Nightmare. You think you're gonna kiss or anything? I mean, yeah, yeah, but it was like a part ways kind of,

I'll see you next time. Oh shit, it's awkward. Thanks for picking the movie. Just, did you pick it? No, she picked it. Oh, she also. I'm sure someone's written a blog on this. There's gotta be like a thing on the like the most successful

like dates to take someone out on. Well, think about it. It's like, they said, in this article, they said scary movies, scary rides, haunted houses, because they get the fear, but then they're safe, and you're the dude that's there. I wonder if that's like a formula. So using that to like, that does sound kind of like a triple threat. You do like all of them. It I can guarantee you about that one guy. There was a guy that literally paid paid his I think was his friend. Oh, to like mug him to come mug him in this

girl. He was trying to date that's a move. That's a power move right. And he like flexed on them. And the guy got scared and ran away. I don't know where. That's a good one. I great. That's a good one right here. You bet you have to wait a bit. That's a good one. The guy shows up.

Oh my god, that's the guy. That's the wrong guy. That's a good guy. That's a good guy. That's a great one. That's a dirt bag, by the way, guys. Don't do a dirt bag. That's not a dirt bag.

Well, it's a good move for you. It's not hiring somebody to pretend to fight you. Hey, what's better than the magician hat guys advice? Hey, what if that a real guy treasurer show up? You get your ass. She's like, oh, you don't mess with me. My boyfriend will fuck you up. She talks shit for you.

Keep it in your mouth. Babe, we should leave now. Kick his ass. I can't one guy. He was way bigger. Oh, crazy stuff. It's crazy stuff. So, I gotta tell you guys, I got a very interesting compliment the other day. So you know how there's compliments you can get for men that are like good.

And then there's other compliments you get for men that are like weird questionable. You ever get a weird compliment? Oh yeah. I got a weird compliment the other day. I had a dude tell me, I was a Santana Rouse I was going to pick up a suit or whatever and this guy goes hey Where do you eat your pants? Like your pants like these are the jewelry. There's a store right over there

It's almost like they're painted on you and then I felt I felt super weird There's a dude dude just complimented me on my pants. Did you, did you, did you walk in, were you in the studio? You look like Justin. When Justin was just dealing before we got started. No. Okay, so well, obviously we're doing more shoots and stuff like that.

So Justin and Justin's in charge of obviously putting together. So he has to like track down models. And so he's looking for like a male model right now. And he's like, this is the worst part of my job that I have to like slide in some guy's DM. I'm like, ask him if I can take a little more. I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I'm the worst part of my job that I had to like slide into some guy's DM. I'm like, dude, ask him if I can take a picture of some photos of him. No, how do you start that?

He's like, I don't know how to start this conversation. Okay, bro, you look really good. I see. I was like, I noticed you fall, the blindfold. You know, you're familiar with us? Yeah. Can you send some. I'm part of it.

Can you send some sample shots? Yeah, it's like a sea. Can I see you in a little bit lighter? Yeah, I didn't know I was like, he's the best one. Oh my god, it's awkward. But I got compliment on, these are meta, right?

Meta, pants from Dory. It's the same one. It's the same one. It's the same one. I keep getting, well, I got a coin. We're matching today. I got the same ones.

Do you really? Yeah. It's like, they're the best. They're like, I can work out on these, but they look like slack matching today. I got the same ones. Do you really? It's like the best. They're like, I can work out in these, but they look like slack. Is that top of the Ori too? No. Oh, it's not. I thought it was the Ori too.

That's why it doesn't look as good. It's a good job. You're halfway looking into it. Hey, oh, about economics. I gotta bring this up. Adam, we were just talking about how everything sucks, right? Drop it in the ground. Hey, you too.

So I read this great article on, it was about the myth that it's way more expensive these days than it was a long time ago. So you know how people say the following. A relative to income? I'll break it down for you. It was really, it was such a great article. So in the article, it talks about how,

a lot of people, more and more people are having less kids, and the number one reason is, it's just too expensive. So a lot of people, like, I'm just having one or two, well, why don't you want more? It's too expensive, too expensive. So they said that's actually false, and they actually broke it down and compared apples to apples.

I can't wait to read this. Okay, so this is great. So in the article, they said, yes, we spend more money today than we did back then. However, we get more because of technology. Back then, you had one car. Yeah, okay, so that's, you didn't have a car too much.

Of course, that's the spend they're gonna be a poor stuff. That's not a spend, it's apples to apples. Because you know what people are saying is like, oh my parents, they totally were surviving off of one income. My parents can do it. I can't do it. And the article they said actually, if you had everything your parents had back then, you'd be way better off than they were.

For example, they didn't have cell phones and cell phone bills, internet, they didn't have streaming services. They didn't have two or three cars that they had to pay for and pay. I mean, I would have delicious and insane. That's always the argument though, you know what I'm saying? That's always gonna be the end.

So what's happened is we just, in the 50s, they would be comparing that back to horse and wagon. Not true. Even no, no, no, because partially, yes, you're absolutely right, actually, you're correct. When you compare apples to apples, today we just choose to have more shit.

Yeah. So it's one of those things, you know? But I loved it because they actually did the math and they took everything out. where apples and apples, today we just choose to have more shit. Yeah. So it's one of those things, you know? But I loved it because they actually did the math and they took everything out. But then the amount, like, okay, so I've seen articles too on like, you know, the average household,

especially where we live, like requires that two people work in order to survive and make, like where in the 50s and 60s, you could live off of one income. You can't even live off of one income now. Now you're arguing it in context. You can't. Yeah. If you lived like your parents did in the 50s and 60s, you technically could. If you had a plug-in phone and you had a $4,000 car you drove and you had one 36-inch boob TV in your house and well now that's extreme,

but I think it does really the lesson in this is you gotta weigh the things out. And there's always gonna be sacrifices. And people spend just on two things alone. There's two things alone that are crazy today versus any other time. The amount of times people go out to eat. If you go back 50 or 60 years, nobody went out to eat,

except for rare occasions. And number two is financing vehicles. People have, what was the average car payment today? Oh, it was 700 bucks. Yeah, over 700 bucks. Yeah. Is the average car payment. It's crazy.

You know, that alone, that's $700 a month that you could save if you just bought a carcass. I wish I would have read millionaire next door when I was as my teens in early 20s. If you're listening to this and you're in your teens or early 20s, I finally got Katrina Reed. She just read it. I wish I would have read that when I was much younger. The thing that I was most fascinated in that book was that the most common thing with millionaires had nothing to do with their jobs. It included plumbers, carpenters, lawyers, doctors,

all of them. The most common thing was the ability to live significantly below your means. And that's what they all had in common. And in fact, in that book, they do these really cool studies or whatever on people that, the way they spend their money and the people that make the most money actually spend a smaller percentage of that on things

like cars. Yeah. So as you get wealthier, that's... Well, why are they wealthy? Yeah, because they have those. They have those. You know what's a funny one that everybody brings up and it really rolls their eyes every time, but it's my favorite example is gourmet coffee.

Nobody spent a dime on that 30 years ago. You know how many people spend every day, $5? Or more on coffee? Well, growing up, coffee was like, was it? Well, you know what he says? You know it's crazy. You know what though? It's not that crazy because it's a legal drug market. Imagine if cocaine was legal.

There was still coffee back then. My point is the gourmet coffee. I mean, everybody drank coffee when we were growing up. Yeah, but they made a popularist yet. It wasn't as popular as it was now. It was something that like old people did back then. Black coffee. Once you got introduced to kids, once you got introduced to kids and we hooked them on it. Not to mention, you'll be interesting as you see the level of caffeine and coffee back then to what it is today. Excuse me, I would make the argumenters. Yeah, I'd make the argument that the caffeine content in a normal Starbucks today is extremely probably higher

than what it was. I don't know about that on a per ounce basis, but I would agree with you that people consume probably more caffeine generally than they used to, especially kids. Kids, when I was a kid, it was a big deal. I remember sneaking to the convenience store to buy jolt cola. I really think that just was... Jolt had like 70 milligrams caffeine in it, which is like nothing.

And like a thousand grams of sugar. I think it just wasn't marketed to the younger generation and it was a big aha moment when they did it was like oh my god we are totally missing out on getting all these young people hooked on this drug early instead of waiting till they're 50 or 60 and start drinking on it and that was it and then it was game on. You know the benefits of coffee they did a study to show that you know they're like oh coffee decreases risk of you know cancer and improves health and all that stuff. It has to do with the coffee and not the caffeine

because they do studies on decaf and you get almost the same benefits. So it's really just about you're drinking like a high-oxidant container. So it's not that caffeine it has everything to do with the bean itself that you're getting. Caffeine can have health benefits,

but it's a double-edged sword. It also can have health detriment. And the amount of caffeine and it's also addictive. Yeah. And we, I mean, how many people die from caffeine a year? It's actually pretty decently high. That's one of the, I, ironically, we don't talk about that. No. It's so funny that we don't. Or emergency room admissions, do you? Yeah, what are, what are deaths on, on caffeine ducts? But it's, it's pretty high when you compare it to life. It's more than you would think. Yeah. And consider we don't talk about it. Or emergency room admissions are pretty high when you compare it to life. It's more than you would think. Yeah. And then consider we don't talk about it.

Or emergency-rooted missions are pretty high with caffeine. People will go and think and they're having a heart attack or something weird in this list. No, you had too much. It's very rare. Oh, nice. Yeah, 92 reported deaths in 2018. Okay.

It's the admissions that's been and just hospitalized and over it. I thought it was higher than that. Yeah. It's actually remarkably easy to die though from caffeine. So I'm surprised that it's not higher than that. But I think people, you know what it is? God, this is a good conversation.

People are so, we're so well versed in caffeine. And we use it so much, people titrate it pretty well. Yeah, right? Pretty adapted to it. Yeah, like if nobody ever used it before and they tried it once, then they might have a tendency to go to. You went right to like the powdered version which was always problematic I could believe they started putting that in the the powder alcohol out there in the market

That was such a bad day. Did they pull that is that something they did they pulled the powder the caffeine Because there was a kid that he did he misplaced the decimal Mm-hmm. So it's in milligrams, he did grams. So instead of taking 200 milligrams, it took 200 grams. I'm like, God, died. Yeah. Just thinking of the times where I've misplaced the decimal before I take it stuff.

Have you, you like, really? Yes. I'm pretty sure I talked about the show before I've done that before. Right. Oh, oops. You know, right. The pharmacist. One of my first, well, you know, scary story.

Not the pharmacist. Scary, you of my first, well, you know, scary. Not the pharmacist. Scary, you know, scary story for me. Remember, what is the one that could fuck your thyroid up? That's popular. I mess with that and I'm, oh my god. Oh, why can't I think of the name? Oh, you're talking about this. Computer all.

Oh, oh. Computer all. I remember I didn't, oh fuck. Yeah, I missed, I missed Judge that and took like four X to dose you're supposed to and I thought I was gonna die I really do bad time. Oh scared the shit out of me yikes And I could literally like I felt like my heart was beating outside of my chest I was like okay, I'll never do that. There's been some term permanent damage, huh? It's probably some

Chalk it up Add it to work out Maybe offset it a little bit. Let's see what happens. Maybe. I have my share. I just remember the time. This is my favorite story ever.

People send this stuff all the time here. And some company sent us. There's another decimal miss at me. Bro, the sent us. I had a few of those. Hold on a second. A bottle of this like, it was like an edible, right, but it was an beverage. And it was like a cannabis drink.

Drink, yeah. And Adam looks at it and he's like, oh, cool, this is 10, you know, the number 10, 10 grams. It looks like a soda, this is drinking. Pounds a whole thing. Yeah. And then he brings, and then you had the werewithal to actually think, Sal, did I take the the right does after you're swallowed it? I looked at it.

And I said, well, there's 10 grams in the whole thing. And you're like, well, that's good. That's a dose. It's a no 10 milligrams. Yeah. Oh, shit. 100. Yeah. You were. You were in a secret. You had to pick you up. Yeah. I couldn't. That point was so bad. Yeah. That was bad. Yeah. It's a bit of have that point. It was so bad, yeah, that was bad. That's what I felt. Yeah, it's about Piqueties that day. Yeah. That was so...

I'm pretty sure I created something really cool after that. Oh, sure. I figured everything out. Hey, so I think baby's coming soon. Oh, boy. Yeah, is it? Are you feeling that way?

Do you know when there's that period right before? Is she nesting? Hard. Yes, bro. All of a sudden, she went from tired and everything hurts to my house is like, yeah, nothing's ass-soaked. Organized and clean and shit, she's never,

she's like organizing like pins. In like a color coordinate. Now is this a real proven phenomenon? Is this a real proven phenomenon that happens? It is, it's proven. It's not like a color coordinate. Now is this a real proven phenomenon that happens? Yes, it is. It's proven. It's not like a wives tale. No, look it up, Doug. It happens on average, I want to say a week or two before, the baby that they delivered.

Is it like that accurate, too? Like you can like, somewhat in a certain amount of time. Yes, if your wife starts doing X, Y and Z. She starts trying spicy food. It's what starts doing X, Y, and Z, she starts trying to use spicy food. It's what you got like two days, right? Oh, she's been doing all that shit, bro. Now, are you good? Okay, so she's trying to, like,

you know what I mean, she's trying to really, the urge to clean and organize is known as nesting. Nesting during pregnancy is the overwhelming desire to get you home ready for your new baby. The nesting instinct is strongest in the later weeks coming upon delivery. It is an old it is an old wives tale. Hold on, hold on. That once nesting urges begin labor is about to come on. That's the American pregnancy.org website, which I

don't go to a midwife website. But nonetheless, nesting is well documented. Nesting is a real... I mean, I've definitely heard about it forever, but I didn't know if it's like, you know, old wives tale that it means that that's coming or not or just, you know... Oh, here. Nesting typically starts towards the end of the third trimester around week 38 or 39 of pregnancy. A few weeks before you do date. There you go. That's not telling you. That's what to expect. Well, it's getting close. It's getting close. It's getting close. So, wait. It's It's yeah, her body's telling her something when Katrina and I because we were a whole month early so we were she didn't do none of that shit. We didn't even have a bagpact.

We didn't have anything. All right, if I told you guys, my right left the Rover running in the fucking the ambulance section. Yeah. Oh, doors, doors open. Oh my experience. Car was running. Yeah, if they came up. I was up and they're like, uh, sir, is that your cars? Oh, yeah, I come down there. Lully, all the doors are wide open cars running. Gees are in there. You think you're so calm. Oh, no, not at all. I remember. I remember we did have we did have nothing ready, dude, at all. So that one came a surprise. So are you are you? Yeah, no, Jessica got she got the go bag set. Okay. Go But hey, what's it look like? Is it help?

You know it cuz go bags for different people like I've seen go bags like this. Let's see It's like a duffle bag and in it we have Yeah, what do you have to remove a lot of your supplements from the bag? No, you know, make some room. She's like my way. No, she's she's actually pretty good She put she put do we really need your magnesium? Yeah. No more silly musk. She's like me.

No, no, she put all the stuff that she knows. Yeah, wait, yeah, let's all end there. Let's hear it, let's hear it, let's hear it. We got some snacks. Oh, we packed the creatures of habit, the protein oatmeal. Oh, okay, is she had it yet? Does she like it? Or is that for you?

Those are mine. Now, she'll eat some, but she'll eat some, but you know what, we're bringing for her. What? Because where we're going, the birthing center has a kitchen. So I'm literally bringing, so this isn't the go back, we have to keep in the fridge, but I'm bringing her eggs and she likes eggs and toast.

So that's what we're bringing. Oh, that actually tastes good to her, huh? Oh, she loves it. That was one of the ones that she's using. Eggs every day. Every day. Oh, interesting. Every single day.

So, that's for her. And then in there, we have like clothes, and then there's like this. We have candles, a lotion that I put on her. And to be honest with you, I don't know what else you put in there. Yeah. She mostly packed it. I just know where it is.

Yeah. Get that and bring it. And she put like a big post on it to remind me, don't forget the thing in the, I just knew it was ever it. I was not gonna I was gonna make sure like no Christmas music was on the playlist that that just snuck in there because I had

What? Yeah, I had like I had one of those bluetooth speakers and I had like a playlist that like she wanted kind of his background music and everything was nice You know what you're what you're like saw to a player's I just wanted music and saw Okay, yeah, so I started playing it and it got through the playlist I didn't make it long enough which was the problem So it's right into Christmas music and it was just like no, well Like she lost her shit on me dude over there fucking Yeah, I was like Scrambling dude just trying to Hey, and it's all Like she lost her shit on me, dude over there fucking yeah

Scrambling did just trying to make hey, it's all it's all calm music, but the leg dramatic. Oh, yeah Worst like his heavy metal list came yes, death metal I probably would have like had, you know, get a whole house. Babe, fucking push, babe. Oh, so good up, so good up, deep. Oh, oh. Bro, your wife giving birth has got to be one of the most, like, as a man. Stressful.

Well, you just can't do shit. We're just useless, dude. Let's just call it. Where's nothing? We can't beat any beat. Yeah. And we're still like a, like there was like a, there was like even a coach. Let's just call it. Where's nothing we can't beat any beat up. And we're still like a, there was like a coach. I don't get like a jersey.

Nothing is there. Nothing, you're there. You're there. And you're stressed out and you want to help her. There's nothing you could do. You're like, I can't beat someone up to help. Like, where's a towel? Yeah.

Let me just sit here. You know, don't touch me. Touch me. Push here. Okay, I'll do all that shit. Nothing else I could. Yeah, you know, just a point. You're doing great. You know speaking of a playlist Did you guys have you guys seen the new Netflix docu series that's out on Spotify? Oh somebody told me to check it out I heard it's good. Yeah, it's good. Maybe Doug can pull it up from you. It's not called Spotify But I mean you can't miss it because it's got like this. Oh, it's about playlists, right?

Yeah, I think it's called playlist or something like that. I don't remember the name is, maybe Doug's done sexting, he could look it up for me. It's like a, It's like a, It's like a, Over there searching for no, No, no, no.

No, we have a burglar alarm going off in trucky. Oh, we do. Oh, okay. You get a pass, Doug. Yeah. So we're getting robbed right now, but you check the, They're not gonna be the bear again.

That's how clean it is. Well, I mean the cleaner since you were there. There it is. Yeah, okay, that's where really like you went on. So what do you need? It's the new Netflix docu-series on Spotify. What's the name of it for the audience? So they know.

It is warning though, it's dubbed over. It wasn't made here, but still hell of good though. I mean, it's good sometimes, I don't know the full story of how that all unfolded. And so if you guys don't know how that all unfolded, I think it's a really cool, real quick, the playlist, the playlist. Real quick, Adam, are there still spots available for the live event? We're doing that.

Okay, there is the last I check, there was only, I think two seats left for the VIP, but I think we have half the seats still left, though, for the rating. If you want to come to the Mind Pump Live event here at Mind Pump Headquarters, you meet us. Max Lugovier will be here. Mindpumplive.com. You go there and see if there's something available. Also, since you're doing announcements, it's Friday, November 4th. Yeah, Friday, November 4th at 3 p.m. Pacific Standard Time is when I do the talk with

Chris Nagibi again. So that was so good. The first one was so good. So we'll see how this thing goes. I haven't had a chance to actually promote it on the show. So if we continue to get a good showing for it, I'll keep it going. If the showing sucks, then it's a waste of time to do that. But I mean, if the showing is as good or better than what it was last time, which was pretty damn good. Yeah, we'll keep it going. If the showing sucks, then I don't, it's always the time to do that. But I mean, if the showing is as good or better

than what it was last time, which was pretty damn good. Yeah, we'll keep it going. So yeah, it'll be on Instagram. So, and those of you that are asking, oh, it's so hard to do it on Instagram. Okay, Instagram is the easiest way for me to test this. If it gets legs, then we can talk about what it could be a potential YouTube video in the future or a Zoom

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That's livenlabs.com forward slash mp for that hook up. All right, here comes rest of the show. Our first caller is Zach from Arkansas. Zach, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, thank you guys. Yeah, just like everyone says, I just want to thank you guys for all the content. I really do appreciate it. My friend Dave actually put me on a couple of months ago to you guys. Thank you guys.

Yeah, so for reference, I am 5.8 and about 165. And I'm currently going through Maps Power Lift. I decided I want to use my weightlifting for something. Instead of just going to the gym, I want to start competing. So I'm actually going to start competing in January of next year. So I just had a couple questions kind of relating to powerlifting and the program. Okay. So first I want to ask, is it okay to kind of throw in like an extra day to the program? Like I know it starts off four days a week, is it okay to throw in like a full

body like on a Saturday or an extra day in there. I wouldn't do that. Yeah, of course it's okay. You can do whatever you want, but I think your question will help you, right? Or is it going to be better for your results? I got to ask you why. Why do you want to add an extra day? I know a lot of colors calling it say they have that athletic mindset and I do come from an athletic background.

So I was going about six days a week, and it's just kind of hard to limit myself. Okay, that's why. So are you looking, is this more for like mental, the mental aspects, or are you trying to get better at powerlifting? At both. I would say more mental, but.

So then I would go to the gym. I just wouldn't do the programs. Yeah, I would go to the gym, maybe do some core work, maybe some mobility stuff, accessories stuff. Stretching, just like recuperative kind of stuff. So you get that mental part. Simultaneously, you're not negatively affecting your potential strength gains with powerlifting.

I mean, powerlifting was written with Ben Pollock, who's obviously a high level powerlifting. It's great programming. And you gotta trust the programming. It's almost, the answer is almost never to do more when you're following something like that. Especially when it's your first time kind of taking a stab at this, I think.

And that was the focus of this program was really to take your entry level person who's never done it before and kind of build them up to the point where they can compete at their best. So, I also think it really matters even more so for powerlifting than it does for a general program because you're working with percentages and you're trying to scale up in the entire program and you overreaching even the slightest bit will set you back in a week which will hinder your progress, which is more detrimental in the game of increasing weight

on the bar more so than the average person who's just trying to be fit. Like if you were just following the program and you want to be strong, you want to look good and you know, doing an extra day, maybe you over train a tiny bit, not a big deal. But when you're trying to compete in power lift, like seeing incremental stress management and so everything.

Yeah, very much so. It's like an athlete. It's like a, when you get into playing sports, the professional level, it becomes stress management more than it becomes trying to get better at that sport. Like you are in season, like an in season type of an athlete. So overreaching can be very detrimental to you putting extra weight on the bar,

which is the ultimate goal for power. Yeah, here I tell you what, this will benefit both. Go to the gym and you have Maps Prime Pro. You're not. Okay, I'll send that to you, Zach, and this is what I want you to do. I want you to work on mobility movements on that extra day that will improve your skill, technique, and connection

to the deadlift squat and the bench rest. Okay, so you're gonna be doing something, it's structured, so you're not gonna go in there and gas because I don't want you to go to the gym. I don't wanna tell you, hey, go to the gym and just try to go easy because I know it's gonna happen is you're gonna do more than you probably should. So maps, prime pros, got mobility movements for the shoulders, the hips, the ankles. I think all of those are gonna, maybe if it's just those three, if you wanna be simple. 100%.

They just focus on those joints specifically. It will really help to enhance everything you're doing. Yeah, like one or two movements for each of those areas. Practice them on that extra day, you go on the gym, and they'll simultaneously improve your skill and technique with those three lifts, which is gonna make you stronger at those three lifts. So if you have better control and mobility

from a control standpoint, you're gonna be stronger in those lifts. So that'll hit both of them and it's some structure. So I'll send that over to you. Your next question was related to sticking in power lift all the way till April when you have a meat potentially. And I would say yes, because we're, again, it's like treating you training for a sport.

If it were your general population, I would say, oh, rotate to another program. But if you're trying to compete potentially in April, I'd say, run it and then run it back again, that would be my advice. Yeah, and I would, the only thing I would change is maybe adding a week in between, that's a delode. So run power lift, then a week after that,

you're doing like 30% your normal weight, you're just kind of going on the gym, just kind of take a total de-load week, and then start the program again. Studies show that de-load week after training meso cycles improves strength and muscle gains. It actually, it's better than not doing that break for most people. Awesome. I do kind of have like a two-parter question. So I struggle with my caffeine intake. I would say I definitely consume way more than I should in a day, and I find it very difficult

to kind of cut back. So that's kind of the first question you had. What's the best way to attack like limiting myself and caffeine and maybe eventually eliminating it completely? Yeah, very good question. Caffeine is no joke. That is a very addictive substance. The side effects of going off cold turkey suck. A lot of people get migraines or they're exhausted

or they get depressed. And it's just a shitty drug to come off of. So here's a strategy that I used on myself and I've used with clients and it seems to be the best to mitigate those kind of side effects of coming off. Take your total dose of caffeine. So I don't know whatever your dose is. Let's say it's 400 milligrams a day or 300 milligrams a day. Cut it down by a quarter. So do 25% less. Do that for about three or four days and then cut it by a quarter again. And then a quarter again. So after about, I don't know, three or four weeks, you'll be down to almost no caffeine or zero caffeine.

Now when you get to zero caffeine, you could take something like rodeola during that week or two, or I would recommend three or four weeks off caffeine and take rodeola instead. And then you can go back on caffeine and start at a low dose, because it would be resensitive. What about this, so I mean, this is how much you're taking right now, just to give us some clarity here. I would say four to five hundred. Yeah, so I would go down from four hundred to three hundred.

You're not too bad, bro. And then go down to two and then down to 100. So you got yourself like four weeks right there where you could bring it down. I would actually, so I mean, what is that? Two basically two energy drinks or two to three energy drinks a day? Are you doing like a pre-workout? 200 each. Two coffees.

Is that what? But a coffee in the morning, and then an energy drink, and sometimes pre-workout. Okay, okay, so the way I would do it is I would actually, just I would pull one at a time out for like Sal's time period, like he said, but I would replace it with red juice. That's, I saw.

I got the rodeo on it. That I had so much success with that. That made a big difference for me. And so then it would look like this. So you normally do three, I pull one of those off and I replace it with red juice. Then I pull two off, actually replace it with two red juices. And then eventually three. And that would like, it made me still feel like I was still getting my kind of caffeine, even though I wasn't, still gave me like this kind of natural energy without the crazy stimulant feeling that you get from.

Yeah. For people who are like, what's Redjuice? It's Organifi Redjuice. Yes, sorry. Yes, that was, and I've done this multiple times, and when I've done it without it, I have less success as when I use the Redjuice. Yeah, so it's got rodeo and it's got some other stuff that helps kind of mitigate that crappy feeling of coming off.

Definitely worth it. Okay, yeah, my last question was just kind of the diet aspect of Power Lift. I know it doesn't come with a particular diet. Is it just, you think I should just be heavy protein intake? Maybe out my carbs. You're going to be in a weight class? It's like surplus. I'm shooting for 165.

So your current body weight? Yeah. I think I'm a little, I'm like 168 now something like that. Oh, so you want to drop weight And compete just a little though, right? Yeah, so you're gonna have a little bit high protein Modder car moderate fat and eat at maintenance maintenance calories. Yes, stay fed that my my advice would be Make sure you hit your protein and take first and foremost every day and then stay fed now I'll say this right now and I've this is the advice I've given wrestlers and other athletes that compete in weight classes.

When you're on that border and you're questioning, you're thinking should I lose weight to go into lighter category or build strength and be in this heavier category? The answer I typically give people, and it depends on the person's experience and all that stuff, but you're new. You're new to powerlifting's a new thing for you.

I'd say don't worry about the weight class and go in the higher weight class. Cause it's gonna be hard to gain the strength that you want. While simultaneously trying to manage your body weight down to 165, at least for your first contest or two, and then from there you could kind of play with it a little bit. I've seen people just... Did I hear you, he's like three pounds off though, right?

He is, so he's gonna have to drop three while simultaneously try to gain like huge strength gains in maps, power lift. Like that's, you know, I mean, I guess you could do it, but it's your first competition. I mean, I guess, okay, so I think the advice that you're giving, and I think it's right, is don't worry about weight so much.

There you go. Like just try and get strong from now to April. And then when you get maybe like a month out, which week, last season. Yeah, when you get about a month out, then we could have set, and you know, I'll reach back out to us. If you get about a month out from your show,

we can talk about where your weight is at. Like, do I think it's a good strategy for you to drop 12 pounds in your final week of powerlifting to go to a week. Yeah, because you know what happens. I'd say no, but if you were only got it, if you got to drop two or three, because what could possibly happen if you eat good and balanced? You might, the if you were only got it, if you got to drop two or three, head, because what could possibly happen if you eat good and balanced?

You might, the little muscle you might lean out a little bit during the process, that would be the most effective. Yeah, because this is his first contest. So here's what'll happen. You'll look at the weight classes and be like, how much do people, I don't know, deadlift at the,

let's say 185 or whatever weight class versus 195. And the difference may be 25 pounds or 20 pounds, let's just say, okay, I'm gonna make it up numbers here. I know for me that I'll be stronger and more competitive at the higher body weight, even though it's a higher deadlift, for example, I know at the higher body weight, I'm gonna be more competitive

than I will trying to make the lower body weight. This is something you're gonna have to figure out, but I don't think it's something you can figure out right now as your first contest. So I would say go into it and whatever way class you fall in, well, that's the one that you do. I think that's good advice. Yeah, especially this is your first, this is your first one. There's so much you're going to get better at and you're going to learn. It's like the last thing you need to be is stressing a cut, a cut totally heading into that. That's like so much to juggle. Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah.

All right, Zach, we'll send you Maps Prime Pro, okay? All right, thank you guys. You got it, man, get back to work. Yeah, make those cool. Appreciate it. No problem. You know, the whole weight class conundrum is so, you want to talk about like a whole another level.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of like, that was good advice of like. That was good advice. That was good advice. I heard three pounds and I'm like, that's nothing. I mean, that could be just a little bit of water right before it goes. But you're right, after he's been training from now to April, he could potentially.

You could put some weight on him. Yeah, he could potentially put 10 pounds on. And the last thing you want to do is like to find a week you're going in and like, you try and do a hard cut to get it. And then you lose all your fucking strength. Plus, plus numbers go down. I got a shit. Yeah, plus, you guys know this because you guys are really experienced and he's then you lose all your fucking strength. Plus, plus numbers go down. I got a shit.

Yeah, plus, you guys know this because you guys are really experienced and he's not right. So he's new, but when you get more experienced, I know what body weight, the strength gain, start to like not make sense. Like, okay, if I go from 210 to 230, I may add, you know, eight pounds to my, you know, deadlift, who cares? Well, you also, you also... There's like that cutoff. You also know that there's such a massive individual variance in some, just like fighters, like some fighters fight at like the weight that they walk around at really.

Some guys can drop 30 pounds and be just a beast in that class and some do better by and do better by. Yeah, so I think that's similar, right? Where, you know, he's got to get a couple of these under his belt to kind of find, oh, where am I strongest at when I'm at? And then you try and be like more strategic about ways. Yeah, I used to train this wrestler and he was always trying to make weight and I convinced them once, just go in heavy, go in the higher, see what your coach says or whatever,

a coach agreed to it. And he's like, bro, he goes, I was so much stronger and so much faster. He goes, it was so different. I was so much better. So I'm like, I mean, we put so much emphasis on this weight thing because we look at these top level athletes who figured it out. Yeah. You know, when you're not like that level, where you really know, like, you know, trying to cut weight, like you oftentimes just show up,

depleted and weak and not feeling good. I mean, we didn't have any weight cuts or anything, but we were always like told to gain weight, you know. Opposite. Yeah, and so it was like, for me, I ended up putting on about 20 pounds over over the summer and then coming back like I was so unathletic, sluggish. I hated it. And so the next season, I cut back and I was so much better. Exactly. The player, you just have to figure it out. Our next color is Ricky from Pennsylvania. What's up Ricky? How can we help you?

Hey guys, how are you? Good, good. So first, yeah, I just wanted to thank you guys for all the content you guys produce. It's definitely been helpful to help me build my exercise habits and reinforce some concepts. So even though I've heard you guys repeat some things over the years, you know, hearing those messages when they're more applicable has certainly been helpful for me. Cool.

So my question for you guys is based around rowing it as a method of cardio exercise. So I wanted to hear your opinion comparing the rower to other alternative forms of cardio, as well as comparing it to the sled. So I hear you guys talk to sled all the time. I've used the sled and like the sled, but my hypothesis essentially is that

as long as you keep the movement explosive, that has that similar benefit of not having the eccentric portion of the movement and can improve your cardio fitness while maintaining or even building some strength for the full body. So my goal really is to optimize that cost benefit of adding in that cardio exercise while maintaining or improving strength.

And I'm essentially proposing the Rower as an optimal solution there. I love the Rower. Is this a bat that you made with someone? Because the way you wrote the question is, would you agree that the rower is a superior former cardio compared to that? I feel like you made a bet with someone. You're like, let me ask Mind Pump. Not necessarily.

So I did a Spartan race in the spring and a friend of mine who was training to do it with me. I had been touting to him along the course of our training that the rubber was one of the best ways to prepare for that. I'm definitely helping to have your guys, you know, I'm hoping to send a slip to him. I knew it. I knew it. I could tell. Okay. You know, if you can use the sled for a cardio, I just don't think it's as quite as like effective of a use of it in terms of what I'm in terms of building volume for the legs and having that type of a stimulus.

I think it's amazing for that. But I mean sprinting with it, doing more anaerobic type of cardiovascular with it, I think works. But you know, in terms of comparing that to the not even close on the not on the VO2 max low, not on VO2 max. So there's no way. I mean, unless you're unless you have like a mile off stretch, you can push it for days.

You can push the sled for a half hour straight, like straight forward, but the rowers are gonna give you that. Now, that being said, and I think we've talked about this on the show plenty of times, is that nothing would get you better at a Spartan race than running Spartan races, like as far as the cardiovascular endurance

that it takes to do that, right? So now I think the the roer has more carryover than the sled. If I had to choose, and this was to win an argument, and one of us decided we're going to go all all roer, one of us said we're going to just just push the sled, I think the person that got really good at rowing would have an advantage for sure over the person that just did the sled. It's okay. So Ricky, here's the challenge I have with this question. I need to know number one why and for what? So, okay, VO2 max, there's general VO2 max that you can build up,

but it means nothing unless it's applied somewhere and it means nothing unless we know why, right? So if somebody says, I wanna improve my VO2 max, the question is always, well why? Well, I wanna get better at swimming. So what's the best form of exercise for that swimming, right? Because there's a technical skill aspect that's involved. So like you could have a professional cyclist and a professional marathon runner, both have, let's say the marathon runner has a better VO2 max tested than the cyclist and a professional marathon runner,

both, let's say the marathon runner has a better VO2 max tested than the cyclist. Well, guess what? In a competition to see you could cycle the furthest and the best, the cyclist is gonna win, so it really doesn't matter. So I gotta know why you're asking this question and what for?

Now, if it's for just general VO2 max, then I mean, I guess we can make an argument for the rower versus others. But again, unless you're applying it somewhere, it doesn't make that big of a difference. Now if your question is, what's the best way to build stamina and endurance and not lose muscle or maybe simultaneously build muscle? That's sprinting of any sort on any form of cardio.

And I would say the sled, a sprint on the sled, is going to build muscle. Well, yeah, because you could load that. So it's not, it's not even, and that, it's not even close, right? So if it's muscle retention or building of muscle, while getting stamina. While getting stamina, the sled's going to win that.

But it's, but I mean, if it's just pure VO2, which one's going to be better there, the roar's going to be better than that. Yeah, but is there something specific of a capacity. But I mean, if it's just pure VO2, which one's gonna be better there, the rower's gonna be better than that. Yeah, but is there something specific you wanna improve this for? Is it for the Spartan races? No, and you guys kinda hit on it with that last point. So I've done Spartan races in the past. I'm not necessarily training for anything specific.

It's really that general cardio fitness for just an active lifestyle and recreational sports, whether it's pick up basketball or whatever the case may be. I see. So you're looking for something to improve your stamina for all the other fun stuff. Right, exactly. Yeah, well, I'm going to tell you right now,

your best bet is to do a combination of things in. Because if you're going to be playing basketball, rock climbing, hiking, surfing, you're going to want, I'll tell you a story, Ricky. When I used to train real hard in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, at one point I built up a lot of stamina. I could roll for hours with multiple opponents. It was really hard, but I built up this tremendous stamina.

Then I went and did kickboxing with a friend of mine who was a Muay Thai fighter. And I was fit for Jiu-Jitsu. I was so surprised how gasped out I got after 15 minutes of Muay Thai, okay? And he said he experienced something similar when he would go and do Jiu-Jitsu. And that's because of the skill aspect of it.

Like you can have incredible fitness, but just be so exhausted. You're not energy efficient with it. So energy and efficient. So if you wanna develop energy efficiency for like recreational stuff, well, of course, the best answer is to do more of the recreational stuff. But if you want to develop energy efficiency for like recreational stuff, well, of course, the best answer is to do more of the recreational stuff. But if that's not an option, then I would mix it up.

I would do some rower, I would do some running, I would do some, you know, some sled, because then you're going to get kind of this general type of carryover. So I hope that makes sense. Ricky, I think you probably need to stay home and watch more basketball, because if you think that that ISO ball that the Sixers play has any chance against the warriors your mistake. What? Sixers and a half is when I submitted the question it was before the season started and I saw it.

Yeah, hope they turn it around. Oh man. Doug just pushed me and just sent me a note. I just saw that. So I had a comment on that for sure. Ricky, let me send you, let me send you Maps cardio. It's an endurance-based program, but there's strength training involved.

You can follow the program as it's laid out if you really want to build endurance, or you can look in, see how we programmed it and get some ideas for your own work. Great program for him, yep. Yeah, yeah, that would be awesome. You got him much. Thanks for following him.

Thanks guys. You got it. Doug put that up there. That's fine. I didn't see that. Have you guys experienced that? Were you like super fit for a sport? You'll play something else and you're like, wow.

I've asked out. Yeah, and you're just like, why? Because I was in such good shape. Like, that's especially, it was like basketball. I forget. I think it was going into Muay Thai as well. But it's such a different, different skill set, a different way to move your body. So you have to learn all that and how to be efficient with

that because it's just like you're, you're trying to do all these things and brace and compensate and your body's just like working overtime. There's got to be some studies out. This would be really, this would be actually a fun study to see. On just VO2 max? Well, yeah, or just like, you know, somebody who just swam, who got, like, let's say a swimmer, who like got really good increased VO2 max, how much carryover that had to all these other general sports, this person just did it this way, like which one? Which one translates to that? Like I would speculate something like swimming, which incorporates the entire body really

well and takes a lot of endurance to do that. You know, would have more carryover than say something that's like a stare master. Okay, so you're just climbing up the stairs. You know, okay, so I don't think there's any specific studies like that, but there are studies looking at athletes to see which athletes do the best in other sports. And the ones that do the worst in all other sports are swimmers.

And now it's not because swimming is in a great workout. Oh, such a different environment. It's because what makes your body good at swimming makes it terrible. Yeah, okay, so that's really hard different though Right, that's different like I would I would I would speculate water a lot Well, I mean Michael Phelps is what six four or something like that and he's got the legs or as long as my mind right not conducive for Sports it's not conducive for other sports at all and And you do, you have to have this kind of read-la, it's not, it's different. It is.

It's never got a power and strength that was required to do it. It's definitely more in dirt. So I definitely don't think you have other. It's like, how would they test it though? It's probably up there. The question is, how would they test it? They do VO2 max test.

Well, what you would do is you would have, you would, they would all have their sport, they train, and then they would all do other ones and then you'd see like fatigue right you have to measure like fatigue or they don't they don't do to max studies to see who's measured the highest video to maxes in history lands armstrong and then there was this marathon runner that was up there maybe duck to look it up they both had hit like the highest scores I believe that they'd ever seen in vio 2 max But to test people in other sports, there's so much involved. It'd be so weird. That is, even like tennis would just exhaust everybody with so much lateral

movement. Nobody ever does, right? And so that would just gas somebody right away. Totally. So it's really, it would be a really hard thing to test, but maybe Doug can find the VO2, like who's tested the highest VO2 maxes in history? And I'm pretty sure that Lance Armstrong was up there as one of the, can you even use him as a counting key? I know, I'm a public drugist. Yeah, which by the way Just to give people a little sport is really to look at the do you see the difference between the top the best ever measured for man versus women

Yeah, 97 for man 28 for for a female. Yeah, no, it's crazy And you know a lot of people don't know this that building. Oh max. Oh, sorry Lance Armstrong's was 85 So how you know it's another cool thing that I've read about VO2 max that I find really interesting is how A lot of people don't know this, that building, oh, Max, oh, sorry, Lance Armstrong's was 85. So how, you know, it's another cool thing that I've read about VO2 Max that I find really interesting is how quickly you can increase that. You're right. Like, you know, it takes years to build strength. You're really struggling.

It's measurable within a week. Yes. Like, you can make a huge difference. Did you see what it said, by the way, so people understand the average person's VO2 Max is 45. So you had Lance at 85 and there's other people at 90 something which is insane by the way one of the easiest ways to raise your view to max build muscle More muscle. That's why men score so much higher muscle is a One way of being able to consume energy and oxygen. So just building muscle increases your VO2 max

Oh, interesting now of course there's like a fall off off, like it gets so much muscle and then there's, but average person builds muscle, VO2 max goes up right away. That is interesting, I wouldn't think that. Yeah, huh. It makes sense when you say that. We have our VO2 max guide and in there's like, breaks down all the ways to boost your VO2 max.

Our next color is Jessica from Massachusetts. Jessica, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi, how are you guys? Great. Alright. Alright, so I once let you guys know I've been listening to you for a little bit over a year. And I think you've taught me more than any of my certifications have. And I love your approach to health through all facets, not just physical but also spiritual and mental. Thank you. So before I ask my question, I'll give you some background

about me. I have my list. That's why I keep looking down, because if I didn't know, I would forget everything I'm supposed to say. So I'm 21, I'm 5'6, I'm 125 pounds. I've been a personal trainer for a little bit over a year, lifting consistently for about two years now. I've always worked out since I was about 10 years old, on and off.

Always tried to be smaller. I had a lot of disorder to eating when I was really young, so I've been about 115 pounds my whole life until the last couple years I gained some weight finally. The last five years I've been trying to get bigger gained some muscle. So my question is I feel like I have an imbalance in my upper and lower body more than I guess the average woman would because I see with my clients you you know, generally, there's something there, but I feel like mine is a little bit

more intense than other people. I'm just trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong or if I'm missing something. Because you know, it's harder training yourself than any of your clients. So my, some of my lifts, my hip thrust is like a one-rup max is like 300 pounds. My deadlift is 165, my squat, I have really long femurs, so it's 125,

but then my bench is like 75, and I even have a hard time now hitting 75. And even the look of them, my legs look a lot bigger, they look muscular, my upper body looks kind of narrow, small, just kind of lean. So I wanted to see if you guys have any ideas for me what I should try next. Yeah, well two things. One, I can't obviously see all of you, but I can tell you work out. You might be a little harsh on yourself. For sure.

With somebody, those numbers are all pretty, pretty, that's standard. Normal, yeah. Would you, are all pretty pretty that's standard normal yeah would you something let's somebody in your life that's close to you if you were to ask them do I look in balance and you know that they're gonna be honest would they say that you look in balance or is this something that only you would say so they have said it so I have some friends that don't work out and I've asked them like do I really even look like I lift and they've said like your legs do but your upper body is you you know, a little,

but not too much. I have some blunt friends, so. Okay. You look like one of those moms, that's good. You look like one of those moms in Pixar movies, is that what you're saying? I'm definitely glute dominant, but I also have, I guess bigger quads,

but nothing crazy. But yeah, my arms, my shoulders are really narrow. I just feel like I look kinda, I don't know. My upper body is not too crazy, but nothing crazy. But yeah, my arms, my shoulders are really narrow. I just feel like I look kind of, I don't know. My upper body's not too crazy, not too impressive. I mean, when we would have, when I'd have a client that would say this, we would just shift our focus on more upper body, which is not normal. Most people need more help developing their lower body

and there's tons of benefits of us doing that. But every once in a while, I would have a client that would say this. And even if I didn't think it so much, if they wanted to focus more on their upper body, that's part of my job is to help them do that. And we would just kind of build our programming around more upper body folks, which when you look at most maps programs, I'd say, and I would think they're evenly distributed, but then we would just shift some of those leg exercises over into other upper body movements

and just put more focus in that area. And I think you could definitely balance out. It sounds like you have a really strong lower body, so it's not gonna suffer from taking a day or two off of it a week and putting that focus on some upper body. Yeah, so really important, the part that Adam said, here's the most important part, don't just add volume to your upper body

without taking some off of your lower body. Okay, is that missing? Is it a really common mistake? Somebody will say, well, I want to develop my back more or my shoulders more or whatever. And then what they'll do is just add volume. And not take volume off. There's still a, like you still have a capacity

for total volume. So I would take some off of the lower body and then add that to the upper body. Also, you know, be patient with yourself, because here's a deal, everybody, except for like professional bodybuilders, everybody has parts of their body that just respond, everybody has parts of their body that just respond and other parts of their body that just seem

to take a lot longer. Everybody's like that. I can make my quads grow just by thinking about it. That doesn't work like that with any other part of my body. So I modify my workouts kind of accordingly. And then just be patient. You're young. Would you say you were like 21?

21, yeah. Yeah, and you just now started gaining kind of healthy weight. I could tell you look really fit. Give yourself a little bit of time. The muscle building process is a slow, it's a really slow process. It takes a lot of time. So I would just do what we said and then give yourself some time

and then over the course of a year, two years. I think you'll start to see the difference. Okay. That's it. Yeah. So what by the way, are you following any of our programs? So I'm not right now. I have before I am on a personal trainer's budget.

So you know, I do my best. I have prime, prime pro, and then I also have anabolic, which I did earlier this year. Right now I'm doing, I do, I think I do stuff like anabolic a lot, which might be my problem, no matter how much I try to get out of it. I tend to go back to something like anabolic. And I definitely, you know, change my rep ranges, go from like higher up to 15, then sometimes I'll do like higher up to 15, then sometimes I'll do like six sets of three reps. So I'm definitely switching it up with I'm doing with that, but yeah, I have definitely tried focusing more on like my upper body lifts, like just the bench, the bench, the rowing,

doing all my compounds, and then doing, I do a lot of accessory now for my upper body trying to change some stuff around. And I basically for my lower body, just do squats and dead lifts, just trying to keep them flowing. I would, I would, I'm gonna have Doug send maps aesthetic to you. Beautiful, I was gonna say.

When you, in part of that, you'll pick one to two muscles that you wanna develop. So pick obviously two upper body muscles you wanna develop. And then a simple tip that I would change in our programming, so when you look at our programs and then you have the workout of the day, always choose the first exercise, either bench, upper body exercise opposed to doing what most people do

when I is normally ideal, a squat, a deadlift, or any of the lower body. So leave the lower body towards the end of the workout and prioritize the upper body exercises. So, you know, I think naturally we always talk about like the squat and the deadlift, because of how amazing they are. But if you start to reframe your focus is more like the overhead press and the bench press are your big movements, like in the row like those three

I'm gonna be thinking about a lot as trying to get strong there and so prioritize them and in the workout when you're training Yeah, so upper body and then end with like wait till you done with your everybody then go lower body and then focus sessions Pick some upper body stuff. That's the perfect program, I think Okay Sounds good. Thank you guys and we'll send it. We'll send it right over to Jessica Thank you so much. You got it. Thanks for calling in I Feel like she's being really hard on herself. I think so too. I mean, it's hard for it

We can't she's in her cars hard for us to see but she looks good I mean, I'm sure that that's her I mean her low her legs would have to be huge because she had a really nice well-developed upper body Well, you know what I shoulders when I have and I what so and so is it from a muscle fiber standpoint or what, but I know that I forgot what percentage I've seen, or how many times easier it is for a male to build muscle in their upper body versus a female. I forgot. Like lower body were very close to the same. We're much closer. Yeah, and so a lot of times you could get a female client to actually get a damn near as strong

as a comparable male in the same way, lower body. Upper body, there's a massive advantage for men already. So when I get a client like this, that's all we would really do is we would just shift the focus over to upper body. I also think that it makes a big difference too as you lean out. So if she were to lean out a tiny bit,

she might really start to see the separation in her shoulders and things like that. So those things. That's her Instagram. I mean, she looks pretty balanced. Yeah, she looks great. But I know how critical she looks phenomenal. Yeah, so she might just be, you know what she's got?

She just has muscular legs because you develop. Yeah. And that's normal for women, but her arms look freaking amazing. She looks great right there. Yeah, Jessica, you're being too hard on yourself. But hey, look, nonetheless, as you'll work out, follow the way we say it. And you should be. I mean, I honestly, she looks so good that just simply doing the,

the prioritizing the upper body and the work. I think that's going to do wonders. So our next color is Isaiah from Minnesota. Isaiah, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Well, it's going on,? How can we help you? What's going on guys? Glad to be here.

So first of all, of course, I want to say thank you for existing. Thank you for everything that you guys have do. You've dramatically changed my life and put me in a position where I can change other people's lives. So for that, like seriously, thank you. Thank you. Awesome.

So I'm diving right into the question, a little info on the client. She's a female 61 5 foot 7 around 160 pounds Currently running maps and a ball like she's very familiar with you guys with the programs Well, we're running maps and a ball like three days a week eight to 10k steps a day And we started working together back in April So we reversed dieted from 1500 up to 2400. We were adding just 50 calories every week, mostly from carbs,

occasionally from fats, just kind of to keep them around like 30% of her calories. And then we went back into a deficit for about six weeks and literally nothing happened. We tried to go back even further around to like 1,600 just to see if maybe she needs a little more aggressive of a deficit to see things move along and nothing happened. So pretty low stress lifestyle. She was a bikini competitor from 2012 to 2014.

She was put on over 100 micrograms of sight-a-mel at one time, along with tyrosent. Wait, did you say 100? Yeah, yeah. So I'm lost her hair, a bunch of really, really, you know, bad stuff there happened with her thyroid. She's got, you know, that back. She's got her hair back, but you know, she's getting stronger. She's sleeping better. Her skin looks better, but just can't get leaner To save her life right now. We're back up to 2000 calories. I'm trying to get us back to around 2,400 and Really just hang out there for like three to six months and really recover, but I'd love to hear your guys thoughts. We've done some testing with cabral

So I could I could bring that up if needed. Oh, I'd love to hear what Dr. Cabral said Yeah, now I totally remember I so we talked on the coaching call NCI and I just thought this was a really interesting very challenging situation because as I was Throwing things out and he's like, yeah, we did that. Yeah, we did that. So he's done a lot of the things That we would probably recommend. I'd love to hear what Dr. Cabral came back with what testing you guys did with the functional medicine practitioners. For sure. For sure. So I mean we haven't spoken with Dr. Cobra all himself, but that'd be that'd be awesome. But um so progesterone is is pretty low, but I mean that makes sense given that she's you know post menopause. She's not creating that corpus luteum anymore. So now most of that progesterone, of course,

is going to be coming from her adrenals. So that might be something that we can look at, you know, maybe trying to heal the adrenals, but like her thyroid doesn't look, you know, terrible considering, you know, she's in her 60s postmenopause. TSH is a bit low. No, not really high on the antibodies. So she doesn't have Hashimoto's. A1C was a bit high. Vitamin D looks fine, free T4, free T3, both look fine. So it's like, what exactly could be going on here? Okay, so here's what I think is going on. And I ask you those questions about working with functional medicine practitioner because there could be something there, but it doesn't sound like there is anything

glaring there. And I don't necessarily think anything is wrong with her either. The human body has a really amazing capacity to adapt. And some people's metabolic adaptation, either through life experiences or through genetics or or combination of both, can really move in that negative direction. Okay, I noticed you put here in the in the in the questions that she competed as an in bikini in the past. Okay, and this was when did she compete in bikini? From 2012 to 2014 and in her words, she crashed and burned after the very last one. So she did two years in her 50s because she's 61 now. Yeah.

Two years in her 50s, so this is postmanopause and she, two years of competing in bikinis is not gnarly. Yeah. And she said she crashed. So there's this theory. In fact, I think it was Jason Phillips that brought this to me that said that you, when you do that to your body Sometimes it has this memory and it really really really develops this incredible ability to adapt in the opposite direction You cut calories boom it becomes super efficient

Right away because of its its its experience And maybe something that you did before like crash dieting that kind of stuff and she did that for two years I think she you need to keep her where she's at, and you need to focus on making her feel healthy and strong for a while before even attempting to do a cut. Because her body is negatively adapting, or you know, metabolically adapting really fast. You went from 2400 to 1600 calories,

saw no weight loss. Her body is like, uh-uh, I'm holding on to this weight. Now the fact that you could bumper calories without adding lots of body weight. Did she gain a lot of body weight while you did that reverse diet? Dude, like half a pound, like maybe a pound from, you know, 1400 up to 2400, it was great. Yeah, and how much weight is she trying to lose? What's the goal? Um, honestly, probably not much, you know, like maybe 10 to 20 pounds. Oh, but listen, don't put it on a cut.

I keep her here for a year. And I would have a conversation with her and say, like for the next year, we're just gonna try and sculpt, shape, strengthen, make it feel really strong in the gym. And don't tell her this because you always want to under promise. But what probably is going to happen is in that year of focusing on strength and mobility and health, she'll probably get leaner. But I wouldn't even say that because it might not happen.

But I would hang around there for a while. Her body is really real comfortable with the fact that food is coming and that she's strong and that strength is the priority. And I would, I mean, 10 pounds to lose who cares, keep her there for a year is what I would do. Yeah, and we've definitely been having, having that conversation, her mindset around it is a lot better now. She knows that's what we need to do. And honestly, I've experienced this myself because I know a lot of coaches in the space start from like a place of like being in sports and like they're a hard gainer Like I started on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. I was like five foot four 230 pounds. I sucked at sports

So I lost 130 pounds But I was so terrified to go to maintenance or to go at a bulk that I spent so much time in this chronic deficit that now even today When I try to go in a cut, it works, but like the hunger signal is intense. Yeah. Intense. That's that memory, I think you were talking about.

It is, and you can't, because we often do this as trainers and coaches, especially the science-based crowd, is they try to separate the physiological from the psychological. So, here's the deal, Isaiah. Are you getting, for you, are you getting a stronger, Grellen response? Are you getting stronger biochemical responses to go into a cut, then let's say someone else?

I don't know. Maybe it's the same, but your experience of that signal is stronger because of your background, which means it doesn't matter. Which it doesn't, I don't care. It doesn't matter. The experience at the end of the day is what matters. So, I think you need to keep your client in this high-calorie, strength-focused kind of phase for a while.

Oh, and a good way to remind her too is that, listen,, you did a ton and she probably knows that she did a ton of damage in those two years at that age of hard, hard, hard cutting like that. And so like, give me a little bit of time as if I'm a coach, I'm like, hey, give me some time. You know, you beat it up for two years, give me at least a year. So I'm really trying to and reminding her how far we've already come, the fact that we've moved the calorie intake from 1500 to500 to 2,400 calories. And you get a half a pound.

Yeah, and gain a half pound. We are kicking ass. Like we are doing really, really well. So just reminder that, because I know she's probably because of her past, she has this tendency to probably want to get leaner, but remind her too, that's what got her in trouble, you know, those back in her 50s.

And don't try to force this, because what you may be tempted to do is be like, well, let's keep reverse dieting you and get you up to 3,000 or 3,200 or. Right. Don't force it, okay? Because obviously her body is like trying to chill, right? Her body is saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no on the strength, focus on the muscle, and give it like,

tell her, look, for two years, you went the opposite direction. The same going to change in three months. You got to give me some time to really convince your body, it's okay, you're going the other direction. And I'm going to tell you right now, you stay here for a year, she's probably going to get leaner anyway. Yeah. And I mean, I experienced that myself when I finally bit the bullet and just ate at maintenance

or ate at a slight surplus. And it was very slow for sure, but I mean, of course, as you guys know, you feel better, you perform better, you sleep better. Yeah. What you said about not like trying to push it and go up to like 3000 calories, this is kind of what I was talking about, Adam,

about what Eric Trexler on Stronger by Science was talking about in regards to reverse dieting that like we don't have infinite metabolism. You can't just keep pushing it like at some point it's going to trickle over into just gaining body fat. That was kind of like their main takeaway and like kind of leaning more towards like just bringing people up to where their maintenance should be rather than this slow gradual increase. like the results seem to be the same. One of them just takes a lot less time. So that's kind of what we're doing this time,

instead of adding 50 calories every week again, we're adding like 100, 200, just to get back to homeostasis as fast as possible. Yeah, that's fine. So long as she feels good doing it, and it doesn't mess with her mentally too much, and all that, because you gotta consider all that, okay?

So you gotta be careful with science because science and data can make you ignore your client saying, oh, I don't feel good eating this much. Oh, no, no, don't worry, we gotta keep it, we gotta get there faster. Don't do that because you could cause a reverse effect from her psychologically, mentally, and then you're screwed because that's everything, that's everything with your client.

Eric's a great guy, by the way. We had him on the show, we're gonna air that at some point, really smart dude. So I love their information. But yeah dude, you gotta take your time bro. Have her take her time and have her change her focus. It looks like her body is like holding on, but what's cool is it adapted in the other way as well. So she's got like, it sounds like she's got great capacity

for strength and muscle as well. So at 61, that's phenomenal. So a reminder of that. Absolutely. All right. Awesome. Thank you guys. You got to say thanks for calling in. Yes, sir. Yeah, I remember how to client. This is kind of similar. Not the same. But I had a client who had chronic back pain for years and years and years and years. And they couldn't figure out what was wrong. They did MRI and listen to that and the doctors like, well, you got to slightly herniated disc. I guess we could try this surgery. And the doctor's like, well, you got to slightly herniated disc. I guess we could try this surgery.

She's like, no, I don't want to do that. I'll just deal with it. Anyway, she hires me and she says, well, my back get better. Like, well, how long has your back been hurting this way? She's like, well, you know, over 10 years. So I said, probably, but I'm not sure. But let's see what happened. I trained her for over a year,

and she got stronger, got more mobile, everything felt better. The back pain didn't really improve until like a year and a half later. It was a year and a half later that she started noticing that her backs are feeling better. And then a year after that,

it became no longer a problem. And her and I would talk about this. And she's like, you know, I think there's a big part of the experience of pain. I wonder if there's just how so used to it. And so, as it started going away, I started letting go of it. And then it totally went away.

I said, I mean, that totally could be it. But you can't separate the two, you know? And so like, you know, situation's like this, we tend to try to separate the two. Like, good luck. That's not how it works. Yeah, I think he's doing an incredible job. I mean, smart kid.

Yeah, no, when we talked on NCI and I was kind of going around with him, like, listen, I think you've done, you've checked a lot of the boxes that I would have checked like with her of like some obvious things that we need to be fixed. I think you're doing a great job as a coach and I wouldn't recommend trying to cut her anymore or doing like that.

But think about how important it is that he presented the right way. Sure. Because what if he presents it like, I can't recommend trying to cut her anymore. But think about how important it is that he present it the right way. Sure. Because what if he presents it like, I can't figure out what's wrong with him. Right, right. You know what I mean?

Like, what do you mean something's wrong with me? Yeah. Versus, hey, we looked at everything. Everything looks good. Your body's doing exactly what it's supposed to. And here's why. And you'll present it that way versus, you know, like something's wrong with you.

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