Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1938: The Best Landmine Exercises, Troubleshooting Gaining Strength But Not Increasing Size, Hacks to Get More Fiber in the Diet & More

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

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something you can only do 10 reps with. Watch what happens. Love this strategy. This is great. Especially for somebody who is just getting started to, just to put more emphasis on the form than always just loading it. People forget that you can progressively overload

the body many different ways. It's not always just adding more weight to the exercise. Sometimes dramatically slowing it down, you get incredible work. That's damaging, sometimes dramatically slowing it down, you get a incredible workout. That's damaging, and a totally different type of stimulus, which still promotes you towards that same desired outcome. Yeah, no, I mean, I actually, I like this for, yes, I like it for beginners, but I also love it

for people who are advanced, because at some point, as you get stronger and stronger and stronger, the risk versus reward ratio starts to change with the amount of. Yeah, the weight that you can lift. And I did this the other day. I took a weight that said, okay, I know I could do 20 reps with this.

And the goal is, can I make it so that the 10th rep is like, I can't do another rep. And so it's literally, as I'm doing each rep, like I start with the first one. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this is too light to do 10. So the second rep, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is too light to do 10. So the second wrap, I'm like slow, squeeze, stretch, pause. And you can adjust this as you get closer to the 10th rep. And it's great because you use less weight.

You do better form and technique and you have better focus throughout the set. And you're just exactly what you said Adam. You're progressively overloaded without having to add weight in fact you took weight off the bar I love to do this to when I'm feeling too lazy to change the weight I just got I just do the other day the other day I was like I wasn't even motivated to lift I'm like I need to get the gym and I'm like I need to set the squat rack up. I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do that and I'm like okay, so I got under there and I'm like I okay, so I got out of there and I put 135 on for squats, which is obviously really light.

And I'm like, I don't want to get up and add it. My 45s are a pie on my thing. I don't even want to add it. I did. I did. I didn't want you to work it out. I did. I want to move less.

It's so funny. You say that, though? That was like my go-to, especially when I was training clients in the really busy time, 24 hour. I was like training clients in like the really busy times, a point four hour, I'd be like, I only have access to these dumbbells. And maybe this one machine, and I have this one corner, like I basically can use.

So I have to like be as effective as possible. So I had to pull out all those tricks like with tempo and with angles and just trying to make things a little bit more difficult and challenging. Yeah, you're paused, I can eye smatcher stuff. I mean, I can make that 135, I got a gray worker, my legs were hella sore. You know, so I could, I just literally

just did this the other day. I just did not feel like. This is a good skill to develop. If you want to work out for a long period of time, for let me rest your life, this is, I would consider this an essential skill. Cause what are you gonna do otherwise? Keep adding weight, keep pushing the load,

at some point that becomes detrimental. I know it sounds like I'm being completely lazy in a half that's half true, but there is like part of the logic behind that is like, you know, I don't feel like putting anymore weight in bar. I was like, right away the thought that comes to mind is, oh, when was the last time? I did 135 on squats and did some pause and hold the bottom

or come halfway up, pause again, then finish. Exactly. I'll just, I haven't done that in a while. I'm like, oh, I don't feel like putting any more weight on the bar. This is a good day to do that. I'm going to do that. And so I think just think there's a lot of merit to that.

And it's not something that I would normally do, but I did, I just recently did this. Yeah, one of my favorite ways to do this, obviously you could slow the reps down. That's an easy way to do it. But one of my other pausing has got to be my favorite way to make a weight feel much heavier. And what I'll do is I'll pause

usually in the hardest parts of the rep. So like with a squat, it's like at the bottom. And I'm not sitting on my heels and resting down there. I'm holding it at the bottom and And I'm not sitting on my, on my heels and resting down there. I'm holding it at the bottom and creating tension. And if you do squats and you hold the bottom for five seconds, that way feels exponentially heavier. And then with a deadlift, I'll pause like I'll pull it off the floor, five or six inches, pause there and then finish

the lift. Oh my God. Like 200 pounds feels like 500 pounds. Dude, that's my go to anytime it's's been a long period of time. I haven't addressed certain lifts like for right now. A front loaded squat is something haven't done in quite a while. So I don't want to load it substantially, but I also want to start really getting my body to get in the groove that I used to be able to get into. And so I'll pause at the hardest parts of the lift and I'll really like take my time tensing up my body and feeling my way back to being able to stabilize it properly

and go through proper range of motion and all that. So, but I still get a good workout out of it even though I have like light weight and it helps me to bring myself back. One of the sets that I did, I actually, I took like a five, five, six second negative real slow with 135, pause at the bottom for about three seconds and then actually try to come up explosively. So like I built that and I did like five reps and I was roasted up there.

Just going that slow on the way down. I'm so glad you said that, because it was causing for a second. And then like trying to explosively come out, obviously I'm not gonna move the way that explosive, it's still 135 on back, but the thought of trying to explosively move out. Obviously, I'm not gonna move the weight that explosive. It's still 135 on back, but the thought of trying to explosively move out with that kind of weight.

I'm so glad you said that because I didn't even, obviously, that's you can lift a lightweight faster and dramatically increase the intensity. This is much more advanced, right? This is power. So you gotta have good stability and control, but the first time I experienced this,

I took my, I used to have a business part, and I first started my personal training business, I had a business part in my first short period of time, and we took a pair of light dumbbells and a kettlebell to the park, and we're like, let's do explosive, like let's throw these weights, let's see what we can do.

So instead of like, you know, like one arm dumbbell shoulder press, you know, I don't know at the time, I'm sure I could have done 80 pounds or something like that. We had a 20 pound dumbbell and it was literally, let's see who can launch it the furthest. And so it's 20 pounds, but you're pushing it with so much effort that you generate a lot of tension.

So I'm so glad you said that, because speed can also, you know, and that's how Olympic lifters lift, right? They'll use a lighter weight, but try to lift it as fast as possible in a particular part of the rep. And that generally, generally, tremendous, that really activates those fast switch muscle fibers. It'll build muscle as well.

It's more advanced because you have to be stable. Yeah. I mean, I got sore. I got plenty sore from a workout of moving 135 just for four sets. I mean, that's all I did of it. And it was enough to get me. And so I definitely think that, I mean, originally originally I said that this is my favorite for beginners. So I absolutely love that. And the reason why I loved it with beginners was it's already

difficult to get a client to keep their form when they're moving away. If you challenge them weight wise to where it's hard for them to move that weight, say five or ten or twelve times, then it's even harder to get them to keep the weight, say, five or 10 or 12 times, that it's even harder to get them to keep the form. Whereas if I put on a load that's like 50% of that weight that they could do, say, 10 or 15 reps, now it's really life for them. And then I teach them how to make it, you know, more difficult by slowing it down, but then it also gives me that opportunity to move their posture and get them in a position. But to your point, what you said, absolutely, advanced lifters, I just used it just recently,

where I'll manipulate that. I think it's a great tip and great technique. Yeah, give it a try, see what happens. All right, so I had some interesting speculations and thoughts this morning. In fact, I almost started a conversation with Justin because we were both here a little early. I'm like, you know what, let me hold this for the podcast, because this is really-

It props to you for holding out, usually. I just have to come out with it. I know. I did, I felt really, like, I just, you know, not realizations, but I just had some thoughts around something. So, Japanese scientists have identified a compound. Now, don't get everybody get excited.

It was done in mice, but still, I'm sure that at some point, we'll figure this out. They found a compound that, given to mice, the mice didn't have to do anything different, they didn't have to do any exercise, they built muscle and they got leaner. Okay, so of course the news picks it up and it's like,

oh, exercise in a pill and all that stuff. I think it's the actual myostatin inhibitor. It's, well, I think It's gonna be way more complex than, you know, the whole process of making yourself more fit and stronger and leaner is way more complex than people I think appreciate. So who knows when this real exercise and a pill that gives you the health fitness benefits, all that stuff.

But at some point, I think this will exist. At some point. Okay, how different is that then? Cause testosterone would show this too, right? Right? It can dent you. Didn't you talk about, you touted a study all the time that showed the three different groups,

one of the groups that did no exercise and just took limited, just testosterone, saw building muscle on burning body fat. Yeah, so lean body muscle go up, you'll lose a little body fat, but then it's done. Like you have to then continue exercise to keep seeing more, you know, results, more muscle growth, more fat loss and stuff like that. I don't think we're ever going to find it. So my stance is we won't you guys think that we will.

I don't think we will. I think I don't you still have to promote the work. That's the reason why you won't because it's a response, right? The building of muscle is an adaptation response to your body trying to basically defend itself. So the idea that you can take a pill to get the body to do that is chemically produced. Yeah, I don't think so because it's I don't think it's a.

I so here so here. Okay okay So I think at some point we will be able to because we'll be able to identify The signaling process that exercise produces in the body and now is it complex? It's super complex obviously So I'm not saying this will happen in 10 years or even 20 or 30 years, but at some point Especially with AI learning and biomedicine and all that stuff, it would be like a nano-butt pill. Something, I think at some point they'll figure out, oh, do this and we'll be able to trigger the response

in the body because we figured, but it's a long way from now. But my point with this is, at some point, we'll figure this out, what do you guys think gyms and workouts are gonna look like when this finally exists? So let's just speculate. Let's speculate. There is a exercise and diet in the pill.

So you take it and it's equivalent to working out three days a week and eating relatively healthy diet. I would imagine it'd be more of like a fun experience, like place, almost like, place to test your new skills, right? So if you have this like new able body that's strong and you have to acclimate to it, it's almost like a video game where it's like,

no, I'm gonna, maybe it's like, you get in a room and then you do like, X amount of exercises in there and just test your skills. Cause like, whoo, like, at that point, what does it matter? So that's, I don't think so. So you know what I think? I think you would revert back to the 70s. And all these gyms would pretty much for the most part go away.

All the money would follow the supplement industry that provides this thing that people don't have to exercise anymore. And the only people that would be exercising are the actual people that truly love the journey. And that have now made that connection and attach that. So they would shrink down again to the size of what it was in the 70s where you have these little tiny garage gyms

that a small community of people that go there and they would be the weird outcast people who like to work out when you could just take a pill. I agree with you, but I do agree with that. But I do think that fitness will take on more of a spiritual component. And what I mean by that is not like it's like you're worshiping it.

Well, let me explain. We're so godless that it happened. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not like you're- We're going the opposite direction. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What I mean by- We're going the personal growth, journey, like,

yeah, like you're going to have a bunch of fitness people doing hard things just because. Let's just imagine everybody looks, everybody, oh wow, everybody looks fit because they could take this pill. There's still gonna be people, kind of like monks who are gonna be like, yeah, but I still do this practice because.

Oh, that's what I, I mean, that's what you mean. Like churning butter. Yeah, that's what I mean. I think it's gonna be more of a spiritual practice and fitness people in this future. Sure, sure. It's basically gonna be like a practice. Like, yeah, I go and do this and yeah, I know I look good, but because here's a deal.

People who exercise for long consistently for long-period times, they'll tell you the benefits of exercise are not limited to your stronger and your leaner and you move better. There's a lot of other benefits that are in that spiritual realm of growth and acceptance and pain and challenge and meditation. That's the minority of the minority. Yes. So it will be a bell curve. We'll hit the peak of gyms and people in them and then it'll go all the way back down to what it was like at the beginning when it's just this small rare group of people that actually work out. That's what I mean. Yeah, too.

You still have people with smoke cigarettes, right? So there's always like the rebellious side of all this stuff, right? So I'm just like, I was kind of laughing myself thinking of like, because bodybuilding was, you know, got to the point where it's extreme, but maybe it's a lot easier to go in that direction, you know, but maybe it's like the hard way to do it now is to just like pack on a whole bunch of weight. That's just fat, you know, I'm like fat building competition. Yeah, I just think people are gonna work out

and it's not gonna be to build muscle and burn body fat. No, it'll be for a different thing. It'll be the minority, the minority. It'll be the small percentage of people. It'll be like their spiritual number. When you just had that conversation on the podcast of the day, that comment under our Instagram page, you say, yes, this is why that was about 30 people. Okay.

So as well, of the millions that listened, those about 30 people, they were like, yes, out. That's why I do it. Okay. Well, that percentage of people will still go to these gyms because they've made that connection that it's not just the aesthetics. That is why they work out. Well, that percentage of people will still go to these gyms because they've made that connection that it's not just the aesthetics that is why they work out.

Now, do you think that eventually that that, again, we're all speculating like the future, that you'd have less people working out and make us worse. It makes us worse people. But then do you, I agree with you, but then do you think at some point people will figure it out and be like, you know what, there's value in like moving

and stuff. No, I think we move further away from that. Right now, I feel like there's hope to like get people to understand that. The more pills, the more the men with that, right? Yeah, the more pills that we have to solve what they think is the root cause or problem, the less likely they're going to explore all these other things.

There'd be a large portion of people that are going to the gym currently right now at this moment that are in there because they're like, I just wanna give her this fat and I wanna look this way. Yeah, we lured them in. Yeah, and then it's our job to teach them. Yeah, but those people giving a pill would be like, fuck this, I'm taking that.

Yeah, why do I wanna go over there? And I've no desire to look further. I think if you're gonna look at the landscape now, like an indication of that, if it was the go in the direction you're talking about, so I would be to see if we are, in fact, swinging back into more of a religious quest and people coming back in that direction for answers

instead of what we've already been going towards. If that does happen, I would probably lean on the floor. It is happening. There seems to be a resurgence of Spiritual practice is a wisdom, you know like stoicism came back. Yeah, we'll see I'm like I feel like that feels like one of those news articles where you find one thing that correlates with that and then you attach it to like Oh, look church attendance has been up. It's up 15% over the last three years Yeah, I don't have any data actually supports the opposite

Yeah, it just feels that way. Yeah, don't feel that way to me. I actually feel the opposite. I feel like when you see it being removed from schools, you see more, I mean, when you read the book, Igin, it's more and more atheist are here than there were just two decades ago. So I don't get the sense of this resurgence of that at all. I mean, I think of the opposite. Do you think about, imagine how dysfunctional,

just think about this, how dysfunctional society would be, if you literally paid zero consequences for eating garbage, like how do you think, like imagine, just pure indulgence. Like imagine the dysfunction that that were produced. That'd be a weird scary. But now you're looking at other like unrelated consequences, right? Like what about your teeth health and what about like all these other like,

okay, I think we had an organs and like, so it's, I don't know. Yeah, but what if you do that in that? Yeah, but don't you think, don't you think we have kind of an example of this right now with technology? We don't have these parameters really set on those and there's unlimited indulgence of, yougence of pornography and photos and apps and entertainment and at the palm of our hand. We're living in an experiment right now. And we are for the most part.

Yes, like too much. Unrestricted. It's unrestricted. You can do as much as you want. So the only difference is you're talking about food and I think they each have different consequences. But nonetheless, I think they both have serious consequences. And I think we have yet to see that completely unfold. Yeah. And it's funny. We're going to see that.

My son had this thought experiment in his class. And this is what kind of spurred some of this conversation. It's like, um, okay, fine. Imagine, let's imagine a world where there are no, no negative consequences, just eating whatever you want, right? Just eating garbage. At some point, it would lose all its value, right? You'd be, ugh, this is kind of boring, like, I don't know what to do. So anyway, they did the thought experiment and they said, okay, well, what's the ultimate value, right? And, you know, one kid said, oh, like feeling good.

He's like, okay, cool. So we should just take a bunch of humans and hook them up to heroin and just give them heroin all the time. And he goes, but then they won't know the difference because they don't have a contrast. They have to also know what bad feels like to feel good. So then he said the teacher said, well, every once in a while, someone comes along and kicks you in the nuts while you're getting this. So they did this whole thought experiment and they went down the path. And they keep my son said that it was a great debate because all the kids realized like, oh shit, it's way more complex than we think. Like, you know, we think we want all this stuff,

but do we really? And really? What was the main thesis? Like, what's the ultimate, what's the ultimate value? What's the ultimate, what's the top thing? Of what? Of life? Of, and the ultimate value?

How was it presented to the kids? I just wanted to... I think it was like that. I think it was something along the lines of like, what's the ultimate value that we should aspire towards? Oh. Yeah. And it turned out to be basically

to be able to have the choice to live the way we want. But it started out with a bunch of kids saying, oh, feeling good and avoiding pain and not having challenges and not having struggles. And so the teacher like, takes them down that path. All right. And they realize, oh wait a minute.

Oh, wait, those do have value. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it helps to enhance those other traits that you're mentioning. The class was that. Oh God. I think it was- Glossity? No, I wanna say it was one of his literature classes

and they'll do like a type, like I think right now he's doing post-apocalyptic. I don't remember, like a category of books I think right now he's doing post-apocalyptic. I don't remember, it's like a category of books that are in this category and he's reading them and it spurred this like conversation. It's really cool though, because he reads these books that I've never read

that I've wanted to read. So I just get to like ask him. He's like my clue to notes. Oh yeah, what happens that book? So what's the deal about that? Filter it for me, son. This is what I paid for. Give me the meat of it.

No, yeah. Anyways, pretty cool. So more cool science. I just read this, Justin, I don't know if you heard about this, but they figured out, I gotta pull this up because it was really hard for me to kind of make sense of. They have figured out a way to transmit so much information through a single laser and a computer chip or a chip that they could literally transmit the whole internet

and less than a second. So it's a new record for how fast we can transfer. We can transfer. Yes. So so this is this is my headhurt. Just yeah, the ability of that. So check this out. I have some thoughts.

Go ahead. So the ability to transmit information, and we have like, we can test it and see what the records are, what the world records are, right? So the latest world record is literally so fast, it's crazy. So using a single laser and a single optical chip, researchers were able to transmit 1.8 petabits per second. OK.

So to tell you guys what that is,8 petabits per second. Okay. So to tell you guys what that is, one petabit is the same as one million gigabytes. And that amount of information is equivalent of transmitting twice the global internet traffic. And they were able to do this insanely large. Now, that doesn't mean that they were transmitting like it was just pure information. Yeah. But they can direct it with a laser guided directive of information.

This is where half of that stuff that just seems so out there in wild, people speculate, even the sun and the rays of light being some kind of information that gets transmitted to us. Like this is some weird way out there wild stuff, but like, think about, if you think about like how, too, even with, with crystal on people that are really into crystals, all the stuff, they talk about it being a, a natural way to store information. Yeah.

And, and so, and then traveling through space, they sent out like this gold record. Oh, 1970, I think it was two or something like that. Like even cross-agent was part of that, right? And like they have a, Yeah, dude, it's so funny to me. We sent out this rocket. I don't know if it was a voyager. I don't remember what, maybe Doug, you could look it up.

I think it just left our solar system if I'm not mistaken recently. It's been flying forever. Oh yeah, forever. Super, super high speeds. And we put on there a gold, this was the technology at the time, right? So it was a record, but it was gold

because that lasts the longest and whatever. And on there, we use mathematical equations so that alien civilizations, if they find it, could locate Earth, we have, they could understand our rules, laws, music was on there, noises from nature, from babies crying. Oh, there it is. It's the Voyager golden record. What was on there's also like a picture of a man and a woman on there. Yeah. Of course this is before we decided. Look at the back. There's way more of it. It's like in the 1977. In 1977. So and literally we put,

because we think that math is the universal language, right? Of the universe. So we put on there. And then when you think about it, like, why would you do this? It flies out in a space. Alien civilization finds it. We're giving them a map.

Hey, confine us. What were we doing? We're located here. And then they look at them, like, and they're looking at the like, they're like, oh, this is their technology records in a rocket. Exactly. Let's go keep it as real.

No, that are, we'll skip these guys. What's on there, Doug? I know that there's like, they say hello in almost every major world. 55 ancient and modern languages. Boy, there's other sounds like footsteps, laughter, inspirational messages, music. All types of different things. And there's also thunder animals.

There's also a printed message from the current US President of the time Jimmy Carter. We picked one of our worst presidents. Yeah, I'm the boy guys. Cool. And you know, when I hear some of this, I'm always so curious to like, what was the budget to do this thing?

Like how much, how many millions of dollars do we spend? Oh, yeah, like, we just threw some gold out. You know what, you know what's funny about this? So everybody's like, NASA, it's this wonderful thing that, you know, the government did just for scientific exploration? No, we 100% used it as a way to flex during the Cold War. Big time. So we said the space race, right?

Who can get to the moon first? We didn't give a shit about going on the moon. We just know that if we show the Soviets, we can plan on what the president said we're doing it. We have to. Yes, and also if we land on the moon, we could park a nuke in your backyard if we want to from here.

So that's literally what it was. It wasn't like, you know, for the betterment of humanity. You know what I'm saying? No. To show who's got the most power. Yeah. And we spent a lot of To show who's got the most power. And we spent a lot of money.

Who's got the best? $250 million. From that back then too, that's in 1970. 1972. What was that translate today? It was gonna be a lot. Well, yes. I mean, 25 trillion.

No, are you talking about yesterday or today? What? That's changed dramatically in the last day. When it's had this episode airs. That's 1972 dramatically in the last day. But it's had this episode of So Itters. That's 1972, $250 million. $77, I think. Oh no, 72, yeah. It's $250 million back then.

Oh wait, wait, wait. That's got to be like a billion. Yeah, probably. It's like a billion dollar project. Oh, it's got to be. It's got to be. Right? It's got to be.

I would think. Oh yeah, probably well over. Well, that's what the bare minimum, it's a billion. What can we do with that besides make a, throw out a gold record? I mean, we're just throwing trillions out now. So that's the big deal. That's a lot back then though.

That's a lot of, I wanna see what the calculation is that. Oh, you're doing a dog, I wanna see it. And I'm pretty sure that the, what does that say? What do you mean? Okay, so it's like seven X. Oh my God, bro. Wow. So that's all millions of dollars.

Almost two billion dollars worth of. Woo. Wow, that's crazy. That's insane. Money well spent, you know. Well, it made work. Guys, you know, just think positively. Now the Voyager left our solar system, I think, right, Doug?

Did we, we sent it out, look it up. So does that mean we can all over track it? It's gone. It left. It's the first human made anything. I mean, you think it's gone. That's left. Well, is Elon's a car still out there flying around? Oh, wait, hold on. And August 2012, Voyager one became the first spacecraft to cross into interstellar space. However, if we define our solar system as the sun and everything that primarily orbits the sun, the Georgia one will remain within the confines

of the solar system until it emerges from the, what is that, the orc cloud? The orc cloud. Oh, it's only another 14,000, 28,000 years. It sounds like it's in the Lord of the Rings. Yeah. By the way, weird stuff on that. Did you know the oldest, do you guys want to know

the oldest battery ever found? Yeah, the Baghdad battery. So do you think that the theory? Like thousands of years old. Yeah. What the hell? So you think the theory of why you do a project like this? Do you think the reason why you do a project like this

is more or less not to find some aliens across the sources and but more so because it's supposed to return to us. That because there's some people that theorize that we've been here we've done this before and we just keep we just we build up we get smarter smarter smarter until we're too smart for ourselves we destroy ourselves I think there's some truth then we start over and that's kind of like that we that's our perpetual cycle so maybe the strategy finally now we just implode the finally

this this this this generation decides that they're going to send this out. In case we are on pace to do that again, and so the new civilization gets this in 18,000 years. That's some planet of the ape shit right there, right? Now what are we going to do? No, not as good as it is planet. Planet is. I'll just go say that wasn't the only mission of the Voyager to get the golden record

out there. So they are doing close-up studies of Jupiter and Saturn and Saturn's rings and the larger... Real important stuff. I'm telling you right now, 100%. This, the funding, the government funding, they got public funding for this because they said space, it's great exploration, but really we had to develop the technology

to be able to launch rockets from here to wherever we want with intercontinental ballistic missiles. That's how we do it. And the Soviets were doing the same thing. How do you think the private sector's been doing since? Well, that, I mean, that's why after the Cold War, like everybody stopped caring. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We don't care. It was just dropped off, yeah, it was no interest. No, and the private sector picked it up. If you had people like Elon Musk, well, this is cool. We got to figure this out. Yeah, it's interesting to me to see how that kind of emerged and then how competitive it's getting now in terms of like,

you know, who can sort of take the first regular everyday people out there and like, what, you know, where we can set up hotels, you know, in the moon or whatever the hell they're planning. I'm actually excited about that. That's like the whole interstellar thing, like obviously going into my science fiction geekdom. I'm gonna be able to kind of wait for this.

Yeah. Did you know there's a meteor that is made out of pure, I think diamond? Oh, I heard that. I think trying to get, well, yeah, that's like the newest thing. That'll motivate us. Yeah.

Yeah. Let's go after, get this out. What is it got like full lithium or something crazy? I don't remember. It has something on it that's like super valuable to us. It was something, I think it was a diamond meteor if I'm not mistaken. Wow, exactly.

Literally. Yeah. That's it. Just tell your girl like, Hey babe, if you wait a little longer. What is the history of that tradition for us? It's like one of those weird things that we do that I think it's like, diamond rings.

Yeah, yeah. Did they control the market? I know, that's what. A few families, right? Yeah. The diamond mines, really control the market. Like, did they actually like, engineer that in terms of like, that's what I'm asking, interest, that's what I'm asking. That's what I'm asking.

I think so. Like what made it popular at what point in our? The royals must have set the tone for all this stuff. I don't think it was donning themselves in jewelry. I don't think it was always traditional that it was a diamond that was engagement. Maybe Doug can look this up. When was the diamond,

when did the diamond become the traditional engagement? Right, because before that, it was really about merging. I mean, it was like property at the point. I think other gemstones were appropriate too. I think before a certain period of time that you could give a girl a ruby or an emerald or something, and it became diamond.

That's the one you have to get. And I think it was their marketing campaign if I'm not mistaken. You did diamond, I get like three goats. What is this? Yeah, one of those two. Yeah, 1930s debirs advertising campaign. So the beers, we're here to that.

One company changed the way we do this forever. Seems to be the case. Well, we're click on that and see what, because see, time in this forever, that's like there. I'm telling you, before the 1930s, okay, because this is the 1930s I knew this before this time you could give Like lots of different types of gems though like now would be weird if you're like hey Will you marry me and you give you your limestone?

I try that Fixed one of those nurseries on the way home. Yeah, I hear a mood ring. Yeah, I just know. Yeah. Oh, I'm good today. Yes, yes. What does that say, Doug? Did you read what it said?

Yeah, it's too detailed. Oh, okay. It's too much reading for you. Too much reading. It's like, like, Shadow's working on the room. It appears. The beer is nice.

That's actually that. Yeah, that's, that's impressive. That's brilliant. Yeah. Isn't that, isn't that Yeah, that's impressive. Wow. That's brilliant. Isn't that just, that's gotta be one of the most brilliant marketing campaigns of all time? Yeah, and it's like so expensive, like, man, they just, they really did a number on it. So what they did was, now who bought into this women or man?

I mean, I know we both bought into it, but like, who really made this fun? Women. Oh yeah. We only bought into it because women bought into it. Yeah. So it's not like some guys,

I can't get this idea. I'm going to spend crazy money on this rock and I'm going to put it in there and give it to her. No way, some guy thought of that. Oh, according to this, they didn't become popular until 1947, when DeBierre is the British company

that Mine Diamonds in South Africa launched an advertising campaign with the help of Hollywood stars and the slogan, a diamond is forever, British company that mine diamonds in South Africa launched an advertising campaign with the help of Hollywood stars and the slogan, a diamond is forever diamond engagement rings skyrocketed in popularity. Wow. It would be cool to see it. It would be cool to see a graph on like how crazy that has gone.

I mean, to go from that's not even a thing that you would you would use to propose to someone to the staple. Oh, yeah. You feel like it's been here forever. Yeah, you're just a sue. It's just a thing. I mean, there's even things out there too. Have you heard people say things

that you're supposed to do like three months of a salary? That's bullshit. That's all ever, oh, that's not about that. I remember as a person, are you in that trap? No, push presents. Push presents. Dude, there's come up with presents. It's all mark opportunity. Oh, the three month salary one is if you really think about fucked up, but brilliant three month salary for ring.

That's a lot. So you got some dude who's like busting his ass. I don't how much am I supposed to spend? Oh the commercial said. Okay, so I do the math. Well, okay. I guess I get it. Is that before or after taxes? Either one is a lot still. That's crazy. That's funny. See my wife's counter-culture, so I'm going to give her up. Hey babe, here's an engagement ring. It's an emerald or something like that.

I think emerald's a roomie. It's better looking anyway. Dude, it immediately loses value, too. It's not like you're just going to go hawk it and sell it. Diamond half if it doesn't work out. Oh, why did they hold their climb? No? No, nobody wants a used engagement ring. Yeah. like you're just gonna go hawk it and sell it. Diamond if it doesn't work out. Oh, why that they hold their climb, no? No, nobody wants a used engagement ring.

Yeah, I mean, they probably keep buying it. They're same value, wait. No, I think they hold their appreciating. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like Diamond Ring or something like that, but if you get like a real guy, that's important. That's the flawless. You just crushed somebody right now. He's still that poor bastard. I can't take this back. I'm taking it back.

I couldn't think of anything less. I mean, did they sell the same? I didn't even know that. I didn't know that the other guy was the thing. Oh, here you go. Like a car, a diamond is a depreciating asset since it loses a large portion of its value, the second you buy it.

Sorry Adam. I think about gold and silver. Gold and silver. Gold and silver appreciates. Yeah, diamonds don't. Diamonds don't. Interesting. I assume that like a really good diamond

appreciated like gold and silver. It doesn't, huh? Soul marketing. Bro, they control the market. So there's like a few families that owned diamond mines and they only put out so many to make sure that they, because if they wanted, they'd crash. Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, because it's pretty abundant as far as I've read. Is it really that abundant? As far as I've read. Apparently, if they wanted to, they could flood

the market full of diamonds and it would keep the cash. You know, speaking of that crazy stuff, that you know, it reminds me what's going on in the economy still right now is that we still have yet to see, I have you, I don't know if you've seen reports on this, consumer purchasing is still high, dude. You have a credit card that is exploding. People are just charging. Yeah, I know. I know.

Isn't that crazy that it not enough people are scared to slow down the spending? Well, bad habits are hard to break. Well, not that one. And conflicting messaging constantly. It's like, oh, we're all good. Everything's fine. There's nothing coming. Yeah, they said this wasn't a recession.

Yeah. No, people are reluctant to change their lifestyles. That's what I've been reading. Like, they're like, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and just, you know, part of that has to do with, because I remember the psychology this, when I was in my mid-20s and the house that I had bought at 300K was being valued at 500,

there's a part of you that goes, oh, I got 200K in my savings. I mean, that's how I thought. So when I would go to buy something, say a car that is more expensive than I probably should, but it was easy for me to go, oh, it's not that big of a deal, I've got more than that in my savings in my house.

So there's a lot of people I think in the last three to five years have seen a massive increase in the value of their home that are probably thinking the same way. That's only that makes sense to me on what could cause you to keep be spending. We also haven't seen a significant decline in the economy in a long time. It's been like the roaring 20s for a while. So you're looking at a whole generation of people who... Everything was working. Yeah, everything was working. And then towards the end there,

remember during the pandemic? Shit was shut down. And people were just making handover fist on like NFTs and weird shit, you know, so invisible things Yeah, and it's like, it's this is great That's the I always trip out when I see like a you know a 20 something or even early 30 year old That's like you know given like all like huge on Instagram that's given all this out advice on like home flipping Like or stock picking Yeah, bro real hard the last 12 years to pick a fucking good one. That's right.

Was the joy still doing crypto? Yeah, the advice. I was like, dude, I am out. Yeah, I'm completely fucking out. That's the side. That day I sold everything. Yeah, that's when you go, bro. There's actually a same word of everybody.

I think it's a Warren Buffett saying that talks about that like when the once like the general population knows like it's all bad then, it's getting a lot of money. There's that one meme that's like, this guy's like, you know, before, you know, general population knows like it's all bad. That is going to be a lot of work. There's that one meme that's like this guy's like, you know, before, you know, investing in crypto and it's the guy's hand on a steering wheel. He's got a nice watch and it's obviously a nice car.

It's like after investing in crypto and he's holding onto the like paper. No, no, he's holding onto the front of us. It's all the friends. That sucks. I feel bad. Sorry if that happened. Oh, yeah. The old rules, you know, there's really, I can't talk too bad. Sorry if that happened. The old rules, you know, there's really

I can't feel too bad. That's I don't feel too bad. I said the people that you were taking the risks, the people that were that were going hard on that were they did it with conviction too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's a lot of people that were that would say that. I mean, I still get people excited. I had somebody call me a boomer. Yeah. On the internet. Yeah. I'm like, this is, I don't think this is a great way to tell people how to invest. You got to stick to the fundamentals or whatever. Okay, boomer. Yeah, that's how you guys used to do it, but this is a new economy. Yeah. And I was like, oh, you know, so I'm not sad for that guy. I mean, there's, I mean, there's, there's some truth to I 100% believe it's going to change

and NFTs and cryptocurrency or more so blockchain is the future. And, and, but to be so arrogant to think that because you've read a bunch of articles or you listen to somebody who sells crypto or sells NFT to be convinced that this is the one or this is exactly how we're going to implement it for the next 20-something years. The smartest people couldn't explain it. Yeah. And so it's like, you have some YouTube guy

that's like breaking it down free, that's great. But like, you know, I'm paying attention to people actually have all the money that they're doing. Okay. That's not razzled, dazzled byled asled by some dude that has good cash. I mean, seriously, some good advice is look at some of the most successful people, like consistently successful.

Not they just became successful overnight, because they just sold a, you know, board ape, you know, picture or whatever. And then what are they doing? Oh, look, they're taking the money out of the market right now. I think I should probably sell. Oh, look, they're taking the money out of the market right now. I think I should probably sell. Oh, look, they're investing here. This might be a good intention. So what I'm really curious about is what we're going to see with like the companies like

Facebook and YouTube and Spotify and Instagram and a lot of these, you know, Silicon Valley based type of companies that were built on valuations that were around growth, growth, growth. Doesn't matter, you're not making money. We're growing, doesn't matter, not making money. We're growing and like, do you think that they hit their peak? Do you think? Oh, 100%.

I think it's forever. I actually think it's gone. I actually think that that time of talking about 15, 20X, a company being worth is over. And I think we're gonna see a resurgence of companies like you're like an apple, I think. So you guys remember I talked about a book called The Four and it talked about The Four Horsemen.

And my pick was Apple would be the one to survivalist because it was the most cash rich. There's a lot of people. Yeah, Amazon back then, just because they owned all the, not servers. Amazon, Amazon thinks of the not servers. Amazon things. The cloud. The Amazon, maybe I might have alluded to the cloud

back then and how powerful that might have been. But you have Amazon, you have a lot of these companies again that are valued off of the growth more so than the actual cash flow. And I just think that it was a new way of looking at business. We didn't look at business that way 40 years ago. 40 years ago you wouldn't go like, oh, a multiplier of, we are adding this many people

that are paying customers, therefore we're gonna be worth this much. It's like, how much money did you make last year? How much did you spend? Those are your profits. Your profits compared to another company's profits is how you... Didn't we just do some layoffs right now?

All of them. I'm at snap. Am I saying the right thing? Well, actually look this up, because this is also what I think's coming down the pipe right now. Like say, top 10 companies laid off layoffs or all the big companies that are laying off. There's a ton right now.

And then you saw what Elon said right about Twitter. And I think they're all gonna follow him. I think he's gonna come in, he's gonna do the biggest cut, whether it's 75% like he said. Something's as a part of me, this is gonna sound mean. Okay, but there's a part of me that is, like, it gets a little happy about people

that Twitter getting fired. And people at Instagram and Facebook. Now, I know if you work there, I, you know, but I kicked off. So I hope whoever can be able to get to this is your truth. This is all out of spite. That's, you know, so that's what's going on. So I hope whoever can be able to get to this is your truth. This is all out of spite. That's what's going on.

Well, it's going to force companies to run more efficiently. And instead of just raising another round and getting a bunch of money infused and grow, grow, grow, grow, grow, you're actually going to have to go like, oh, you know, what is the average cost of every employee? Are they producing this much? How important is this job? Like did this... I could make an argument that I think the social climate

is gonna be a nice fresh air because people are gonna be like, really focused on shit that matters. I hope like paying for bills and like overhead costs and like, you know, not being super distracted by just like nonsense that's... I hope, and I'm... Listen, I was joking, honestly,

I mean, that's my hope. People lose their job, that sucks. It's really, really terrible at sucks. It's gonna be a hard time for a lot of companies. It's gonna be, there's gonna be a lot of people though. I mean, that's the, that's when we actually know we're really, really deeper in the recession. And many times, that's usually the last,

like the lagging. The lagging, and then, then they say, 15 to eight, or excuse me, 12 to 18 months later is when the bottom is. So we haven't even seen where the unemployment starts to right, like when it starts getting north of 5%, we start getting 5, 10% range, and when you start to see inflation come down, when those two cross is, when you're going to start to see the real big fallout. And that fallout should go, you know, 12 to 15 months based off of history.

Obviously, we're spec- I'm speculating, but off of what we've seen in the past. And so we're not even there, dude. We're not even- and we're not even close to- You mean, I feel great. And so, Doug, do you want to ask you real quick, Ed? What time is it? I just want to see which one to use. Oh, yeah, why are you not weird?

What's going on here? So, tracking steps at the same time, right? I am. And I have backwards because I don't care to use it for anything else but that. So, my sister-in-law works for Apple. So, I got this for free. And so, I have a very nice, you know, step tracker

is basically what an health monitor. So that's what, so it was offered to me and I said, you know what, I have yet to use their, their whole health, you know, circle phone, what do we call? And I'm curious to like how accurate. It's pretty addictive. I've used it a lot. It has a lot of cool features.

So I was interested in that and because I'm not paying for it, so that's why two watch is on you asshole for for that out. I was fair game for sure. I know I got although I'm gonna bring that back in style there was do you guys remember when you were in like six grade were used to wear two or three watches? Yes. Yeah. Swatches. Yeah. It was always swatches. Yeah. I had an I had an Apple I watch or whatever I gave it to Jessica Because I see no value in it. She wore it for why she took it off because it's like it just had my phone What's the difference? So there's a few features on there, but yeah, so I'm using it for the health tracker

I just started tracking you know and by the way along since you brought that up Justin boy, and You know, and I say I've said this before so many times, like, if I don't care how long I've been doing this for, every time I revisit, you know, using my tools and tracking or putting down my food to see exactly, I mean, I'm always surprised somewhat. Like, it's not like I'm, I knew I was reviewing. I knew I was low, but when I saw how low I was,

I was like, oh my god. Oh, bro, like 3000. Oh my God. Yeah. You know why I'm laughing? Cause that's probably me. All of us. I know. That is crazy low. I mean, that is so, so low. I, and I know, I get it. I know my day, and I knew I was low, but to see it and go like, and then to have like a day, we're where actually I was kind of moving around. We went to the warriors game and stuff and then for it to not even exceed like 10,000, I went, oh my God. You're tired. Yeah. I was like, that was a really active day. And I and it didn't even exceed that amount. So it was very enlightening for me to

start tracking again and just just become aware of that that, that like wow, I'm not anywhere close to where I should be. Do you speak of awareness, speaking of awareness and all that, I got a message from a family member that's like, oh my God, you guys are famous. I'm like, what? It sends me a picture of Adam's Caldera commercial. That's the same, That's the same one.

I'm like the hot Katrina's. So Caldera must be really put, you know why? You know what it is? Because it's face cream, face serum. So it's not like, and you have a nice face. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not why. You see, you have to cheer up, gee.

You know what it is? It's because it's a product that's actually hitting outside the fitness space. That's why. And that's why we're, because I got it Katrina's. product that's actually hitting outside the fitness space. That's why. And that's why I got it. Katrina is- Some people who are in the fitness space. Yeah, Katrina is a construction, you know, big old fat guy, old dude.

You know what I'm saying? He ain't working out. He ain't fighting. I know, he just says that. It must be, man. He's not listening anymore now. He's definitely not fighting any maps, programs. I'm taking my kill, dude.

You scoop on code, mask me, all fat guys. 50% for 50% for nothing. And face program. So yeah, so it's reaching him because obviously it's connected somehow. It's the algorithm figured him out for face cream. Nothing to do with fitness. So I think what's happening is that, you know, and Vior is another brand that you don't necessarily, even though that's athletesHLEAS you're wearing,

so it's kind of closer. But I mean, Caldera's completely could be out of our space. I mean, you could totally use... You know how funny? Can I say this? I know where it, like, this sounds like a big commercial, but this is true. None of us used any, like, face serums or lotions or,

none of us did. Maybe Doug did. Did you use anything? Yeah, I did. You of course you did. No, look at his face. He looks like a baby. None of us, the three of us do.

Now we'll fight over it in the back. Who's getting the eye cream? Who's getting the whatever? What's happening? You know what? Actually, it's because it works. You notice it's, you know, got me. You notice a difference.

I mean, the first time I used it, I could see a difference. Had it not felt that impactful, I don't think I would have been bought into it. it, I could see a difference. How did it not felt that impactful? I don't think I would have been bought into it. No, we got sold, yeah. Because we used it a lot. No, no, no, no, no. How funny is it, too, that I ever still remember when we were talking about doing the advertising,

we did not think that we could carry it. I didn't think that it was something that there'd be enough people interested in it. I remember Justin, he was like the most excited. No, he was the most opposed We had to lie to him. What are we doing? We had to trust Justin like there's gasoline like yeah, you're still money products. Hey, you got to be the one to do the commercials It's maybe I'd be the perfect like 30 day trial

Justin, it's made with gum powder and gasoline. Oh, okay cool. I'll put it on my face Hey, well speaking of commercials since we're doing it right, you there was something that you talked about the other day that was related to public goods. And I heard you say, hold it for public goods. We have public goods today. So microplastics, they are doing studies and they're finding microplastics

in a majority of women's breast milk and in a majority of babies, like organs, like they'll test and stuff, microplastics are everywhere. So the little tiny pieces of plastic that were basically now just is becoming a part of it. Okay, so what I would like to see on a test like that is something where they compared like the mom who, you know, or the family, I should say, so multiple generations were

like, I really didn't so multiple generations were like, I really didn't care, they eat, they do whatever, they use their, all the formulas, they do everything. They don't care. And then like the super. What's the difference? The super hippie mom who has like made the choice to like, all natural, 100% everything, oh, they did.

They've done that with organic versus non-organic. So they've done studies with families and said, okay, you guys go organic, you guys do conventional. And they definitely dramatically reduce the non-organic, like pesticide residue, glyphosate loads, that kind of stuff. So I don't know if they've done anything for microplastics, but the majority of the stuff you get,

the microplastics you get exposed to are the ones that the products and shit that you use. Cause you're gonna get exposed to some, right? Cause you live in the world. So how do you know, how do you know public goods is free of that? So public goods is not that they're free specifically about that, but public goods, that's like at the top of their list of priorities

is low chemical good for the environment. Good for the environment is less of these plastics, less of this waste, less of these types of things, less of these harsh chemicals. The types of the plastics. And there's certain plastics that we know that, I mean, we just removed, what are they called? There was that plastic that BPA? Yeah, we just, finally, like we know that causes hormone issues and shit in children.

That was, you know, nonstick, like, cookware still exists. For a fact, you use nonstick cookware, the traditional stuff, that chemicals, it's gonna be all in your body. It permeates into the food. And your food. You cook it. You cook with it, so that's why if you wanna use something,

that's nonstick, I use like, what is it, ceramic coated and stuff like that? But it's everywhere, it's everywhere dude. It's great. Plastic water bottles, so people like to buy, you know, water and plastic water bottles. Do you know that there's microplastics in that water? To your...

From the processing of the putting the cap on us. I think that's one of the biggest contributors. I agree, you know, because it's somewhere along the lines, I don't know when it was like, you know, the 80s or set, like when was it when water was bottled and that was a thing? Because I still remember drinking out of faucets and then of the hose That was 90s, bro. That was yeah, cuz it came it came in in our you know childhood when everybody all was said and you had to have like a Water bottle

Everywhere that you bought that you bought it's like the diamond thing It is we got hustled the bar title this episode the diamond and water break game diamond in plastic and Dennis from all of the years behind it to Hey, I have I have an interesting speculation. I love your guys is like from an evolutionary standpoint So do you know that one of the things that can trigger labor? So and I know this is just because Jessica's obviously we're towards the end of the pregnancy waiting for you come up Yes, you're the baby out real quick. No, uh, Seaman.

Seaman. Even better. Seaman's. You can buy the two. Ah, I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm scared.

Seaman. Oh my god. That's how you get divorced. What the hell did you just throw on me? Maybe. You got it. No. The pros the Gladens and there's certain compounds in semen that can induce labor. So it's just part of one of the reasons why sex, they say, you know, all have sex.

You build up your case right now. Huh? No, I don't know. It's all good there. But that's, so I have some theories as to why, because I was talking about this with Jessica, and I'm like, I bet, you know why it triggers labor? Think about it. For most of human history, like a woman

who's like close to giving birth, that's a very vulnerable time, especially during the delay process. Like you're given birth, like you could get killed, something could happen. I need someone to provide me with food for the next few weeks when I have this infant that I can't do anything. So the presence of semen tells the body,

this is my theory, okay. There's a guy nearby. There's a dude that likes you enough. There's gonna have sex with you. So you're cool, go ahead and have this baby. Guess he'll probably do shit for you. I don't know about that one. Does that sound like a good theory?

Or the body's just already trying to just competition, wanting to prepare and speed along, speed along the birthing process. Why would the semen do that? So because it's basically saying that it's time to make another one. So it's like, get this other one out, it's time to make another one.

That's it. That's my theory. Hey, we can't do anything with this. Let's get the baby out so we can move on. Yeah, I'm seriously. I just feel like it's like, it's like it tells her, you know, hey, there's somebody here that likes you enough to have sex with you.

So, you can have this baby. He's gonna stick around. You know what I mean? There's more to see men than you know. That's it. That's it. That's not trying to do anything. That's everything.

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Our first question is from Troy, our walker. What are your thoughts on landmines and what are your favorite exercises with them? Hey, aren't you getting somebody in here soon? I was gonna say who sells you? They're the bomb. Oh my god. That's how you make a joke where we take out the responsibility of it bombing.

Wow. We just pile down. No, Lamma, you're like a huge. I'm a big fan, yeah. So, originally actually I had one of my guy models was in here. It sounded worse. Come on, please. I thought we'd please clip that, please, please clip that one.

You got guy models? Yeah, guy models, you got girl models. Yeah. This is literally how it's coming from. Yeah, I'm going to get out is literally. I'm just coming. Yeah, I'm going to your mouth. It's where you're going. I'm honest. That's my problem.

Go ahead, you go. So you introduced me to this landmine university, which they're doing like a lot of cool sports-specific training and really just like a way to do a safer, less risk version of power cleans and powerful movements and snatch and press. And honestly, too, with athletics, it's a lot of contralateral work that you don't really, it's hard to construct programming for a contralateral type exercises. And so this really plays well into that and is able to

kind of load a lot of these movements effectively, but it takes a lot of coordination and skill to do. So, but I'm excited at what they're doing with the landmines. So based off of that, do you do you see an increase in popularity coming down the pipe for landmine stuff? Because it really when I was a trainer, it was like, I heard any movements or something. I mean, never. I didn't even see one. I did, yeah, like most of my training career, yeah. I don't think I saw a landmine until I got to like the private places like where you were at. Same here.

Way, way later. Yeah. I have a different perspective obviously. Because you're in the athletic world. Yeah, no, I never, I never saw a landmine show. It didn't, it still hasn't made its way to the muscle sculpting kind of bodybuilding world, but I think it's going to because landmines provide unique resistance.

First off, the anchor points on the ground, you're using a freeway and like, many landmines, there's lots of athletic movements. So that's a rotational stuff and you can work on power, which is great for sports. But for even traditional muscle building exercises, very rarely do you have a movement where the resistance is hardest at the bottom and easiest at the top.

So like for example, we have a shoulder press apparatus here. It's not a landmine, but it's similar in the sense that as you're doing the shoulder press, the weight is heaviest at the bottom, lightest at the top, which is interesting because I could really accentuate that full extension. From a bodybuilding perspective, that's hard to replicate with free weights.

It's almost never that way. So you could use landmine exercises to do overhead presses and lunges and back exercises like rowing movements. First off, the original landmine, quote, unquote, was a T-bar row. If you look at bodybuilders, they did T-bar, and they loved the field. T-bar row is still considered one of the best, which you still have attachments for that with the landmine. Yes.

Yes. So, I think it's going to become more popular. I think you're going to find it in the body sculpting, you know, muscle building. Have you nailed down a deck? Because I know he's going to set up, I think, a certification here. Yeah, shoot some content. It should be next year. I mean, they're kind of blown up much like some of these other, well, like, like David

Wack does a lot of like work in terms of like control lateral and running in real sport specific type of content. And so like I feel like a lot of that was adopted in with the landmine. And so they kind of combined a lot of that, which is really cool. But yeah, so they're all over the place, but we're trying to set them up next time, sometime in the spring, I hopefully next year in here.

Who's the other guy that you and I like? I think I shared him first with you. He does all the explosive movement with the lamb mines. Left to right. He catches and balances. What's his name? He does. He does.

He's fantastic sports. Crazy stuff. Yeah, yeah, he's really fun to walk. I mean, I've gotten so many ideas off of watching some of his stuff. Hopefully we'll figure it out when we finish the episode. Yeah, I'll look for it. I'll look for it out of you.

But there's a great, you ever try, have you ever done a like a, a rear delt row on a landmine at them? A rear, a rear delt what? So it's a row. So it's like you're doing it. It's almost like you're doing it one on a row. Oh, you do it right there. So it's kicked out the side over here.

Yes, yeah, yeah. No, either out, yes, either. And because the weight moves out, it encourages this like, like pulling apart motion. And you get this really amazing feel in the rear delt. I don't really care. So at Bernal, we didn't have, at least I don't remember, having a landmine when I was training there

when I was competing. I would actually use the T-Bar role. See, I use the T-Bar role I'd face, I would so it'd be perpendicular to me and then I would. And you feel in the rear delt? Yeah, yeah, no, cool movement. Next question is from Mike Browning.

One, why can strength go up but have no size increase after years of training? Okay, so strength, there's a lot, there's a few things that contribute to strength, one of which is bigger muscle fibers. So bigger muscle fibers contract harder and that's going to make you stronger, but that's not the only thing that makes you stronger. There's also your skill. So technique and skill, right? How you position your body, leverage, your ability to organize your muscles in an organized way is going to make you lift more. You also have...

Essential nervous system. Yeah, your central nervous system, which sends the signal to the muscles to fire, you can make that, like for example, it's said that the average person can only really summon 60% of the real potential strength, whereas Olympic lifters who are highly trained are closer to 90% percent, because they've trained their CNS to be able to fire and really be able to almost express most of their strength, because they've gotten those governors out of the way, the safety governors.

Well, yeah, to that point, I mean, if you've ever seen somebody do a sort of a super human feet where they have to lift the car, or like it just seems impossible, and all of a sudden they have like this like strength out of nowhere, it's really, they've removed like a lot of the limiters, the governings that your body keeps you safe with,

but they're able to access now that amount of force. It's under extreme duress, like the stories of the mom who like, lift the car to save her kid or something like that. Yeah. That's also true, so you're CNS. And then there's also leverage, like how your body's built,

like the attachment points of your muscles, they're like pulleys and levers and you might have better leverage than someone else. So you might be stronger at a lift than your friend, even though they're way more muscular than you are, but make no mistake. Eventually, if you continue to get stronger and stronger and stronger

and you're maximizing CNS output, technique, you know, leverage, all that stuff, at some point muscles will get bigger. So at some point you're going to see the muscles respond and get bigger. So strength is a very good, it's not perfect, but if it continues to improve over time, you can almost always expect to see muscle growth to fall.

There's also the potential that the person asking this question is Under-eating too Because based on what you guys are talking about you could potentially get stronger because of more practice Improve CNS stability muscles coming up all these you know just beating better at the technique And yet under-eating or not eating enough to grow Finding other ways to lift more that's right. So your body is getting more proficient at the lifts and so you're seeing strength go up but you're not seeing size because you're not feeding the body enough to actually grow. So that could also be potential. So I mean

this is kind of inevitable after you've been lifting for a really long time and you've kind of peaked out on your size. It maybe you might itch out a little bit of more strength because of your technique improving But if you were complaining to me if you're a client of mine You were complaining to me that you're just not growing and we've been training for a long time I would probably dive into your diet and see how we're I'm feeding you But initially Plus initially the strength gain to muscle gain ratio It looks way different when you're a beginner than when you're advanced.

If I gained 15 pounds on my bench press now, I would see some muscle from that. A beginner, you gain 15 pounds on a lift, you don't typically see too much muscle because a lot of the strength the beginner gets is just technique, CNS. Like it's not unheard of to add, you know, 50 pounds to a barbell squat in six months, you know, with the beginner. Like that's, you can do that. If I gain 50 pounds on my squat now, like you're going to see some muscle on my body. So that ratio of strength to muscle size starts to change as you become more advanced and you start to max out those other things. Next question is from RS Brew 76. What are some hacks to get more fiber in the diet on a consistent daily basis? This atom, you're good at this because you know, you work so much with coaching and bodybuilding

and fiber is, I mean, it's, some people would say it's an essential macro nutrient. Obviously, some people argue against it, but it's definitely connected to better health, better digestion. It's also neglected a lot in the bodybuilding community because of low carb. Because so many people low carb, and carbs typically are where the average American gets their fiber.

And so if you don't actively pursue it and you're following a bodybuilder type of diet, your fiber's low. Your fiber fibers low. Your fibers low. And so there's like what we would think are high, oh, oh, high fiber, high fiber cereal or high fiber processed, whatever. But like where would you get it naturally?

So I mean, I would get it from berries. That's my go to. I think it is the biggest bang for your buck as far as how much fiber and a oxidant and then it's ratio to calories, right? So it's not a ton of calories, but you can. Not a ton of calories. And it tastes good, like having berries. So I normally would tell a client to you. Any bearing in particular?

I like blueberries, blackberries, any of them are fine though. I mean, strawberries are probably the lowest of the high, they probably provide the most sugar and most calories in comparison to the other ones in relation to how much fiber content they have. But yeah, berries would be a mixed bowl of berries, and then I would do like a big spinach salad in their day. And that would boost up their fiber. And it would be common.

I'd get it. And this became a talking point for me more so after my experience in the competitive world because it was so common. It was almost always I would take on. I normally took on somebody else who had already been with a coach and the coach purely just did the whole cut calorie thing and cardio ramp up, screw up metabolism and stuff and then I would get them and then I would assess and one of the common things I'd see is these like chicken breasts, vegetable diets, low carb to

get shredded and I'm like, Jesus, you're getting like no fiber. You wonder why you haven't taken a shit in three days. You know what I'm saying? And like, let's have, and then I would, and it's funny because I remember originally too. That's one of the questions on the question here. Yeah, the last time I took a sh**. No, it became one of the first things I would ask.

You know what, in which, you know, I think maybe some trainers find that in awkward conversation, but I would, because it's so important for health. Yeah, it is. You know, I think maybe some trainers find that in awkward conversation, but I would, because- So important for health. Yeah, it is. And it's overlooked many times in the competitive diet world,

as like, because they're all purely calories looks and that's what they're talking about. And so, I mean, right away, I would ask that. And nine times out of 10, their stool would be off. And nine times out of 10, the simple fix was literally just getting them more fiber. Now, you know what's interesting about fiber is there's different kinds of fiber. And more fiber isn't always better

and it depends on the person. For example, people with IBS or Irrilble Bell syndrome or issues, too much fiber can be poison, can be bad. In extreme cases, fiber people react poorly to fiber is what you'll see people say, I feel so much better on the corner of or diet, right? Anything that causes fermentation or causes that's fibers, that's digestible in that sense can cause issues for some people. And there's

different kinds of fiber. Like, I can eat high fiber like brand or something like that. And that'll mess me up. If I well cook vegetables, I feel perfectly fine. Berries, I feel perfectly fine. So it's not all fibers created equal. So if you want to eat it. Yeah, what is it about that? Because I agree with you. That's the same experience that I have. It's like the difference of like a normal stool

to a like super loose stool, right? So eating some of the things that you're talking about, like that, I would get that feeling from that versus if I just have some berries or a big salad like that, I would sit so like that. Well, there's soluble and insoluble fiber and then there's fiber that feeds certain bacteria and some fibers that can can ferment in the gut. So depending on your gut microbiome, certain, you can eat certain types of fiber soluble fibers that will cause gas and bloating.

And then there's other ones that like I take, so I take Cylium husk two or three times every single day. Cylium husk is a non-soluble fiber. So it doesn't, your body doesn't absorb it, but what it does is it draws in liquid and it helps things pass through the system. And I find that it just really does a great job for my digestion. And people with like gut issues will find that it just really does a great job for my digestion. And people with like gut issues will find that as well. You can also do like a flax seed powder and stuff

like that. So they're not all the same. It's my point with that. Next question is from Guidaud 3. What are the pros and cons for each of you when it comes to having or not having a degree? Oh, that's a fun question. Did you see that for the first time in a long time, college applicants have dropped? I did see that. I saw, I think it was Gary Vee talked about that. He did, yeah, he pointed that out.

You know why? So this is a conversation that nobody had when I was a kid. First of all, layout, everybody's, everyone's schooling here between the four of us. What's going on? Well, Doug and Justin have formal degrees. And Adam and I Can drop out. Yeah

Have a BS degree for sure. Yeah, you both have degrees right both be done. What's yours in BS? Yeah, so I went business business Oh, you're a business. Yeah, yours is Kenny's or studies. Yeah, right? Yeah Yeah, you did you did you go you know, I actually I actually your AA right? I didn't finish my a I'm all I'm literally like, I think I was, I think you needed 72 units or something for your AA and I had like 58 or something like that. So I wasn't that far off from finishing. Yeah, I did over two years, even though I wouldn't count two years,

like two and a half years of like kind of going to school. Yeah, I took two classes, like literally. Like, when in, seven, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine. By the end of this like literally, like, went in, sat down. By the end of this semester, it wasn't actually a two classes for me. Yeah, I started off with always like a over a full load and then I would try to. No, I don't mean to like, classes like the whole class.

I mean, I showed up. I don't tell you. I should have believed it more than that. It wasn't very much so. It wasn't for me because I had a hard time. I love learning. You guys know that. I love learning.

I love learning. You guys know that I love learning. I love exploring things. I pursue knowledge and pursue information, but getting me to sit down and learn something I don't want to learn. Yeah. Like, you know, you're forcing you're forcing a square peg in a round. That's like, it ain't happened. You know what killed me was so I went to junior college so I have to confess that it wasn't I didn't have the experience experience of a state school or a cool university or anything like that. But I remember hearing everyone, that was much older than me talk about, oh, college years are so amazing, and college is so amazing.

And then it literally felt like extended high school to me. It was that's all, except for the teachers didn't give a shit if you showed up. That was the only difference. The classes, the stuff was I was learning, reminding me of most of the stuff I just did in my senior year high school. I was like, it was clicky, still the same way. It was just, it was such an awful experience that I remember after and I must simultaneously you started your career in fitness.

Yeah, I mean, I actually came over to the Bay Area to finish my degree to transfer from Deanza and go to San Jose State because it's Kinesiology Department is well known. And I fell into the job. So that actually was, the plan was to keep finishing school. So I was still gonna power through it as much as I didn't like it. That was it, I was like, I was cruising back home where I was with my friends and party

and a girlfriend and all that shit. And I was like, I need to remove myself from that. I need to come to an area where I know nobody. My grandmother was who lived in San Jose. And so I was like, I'm gonna live with her where I have no friends. I have no focus. But to focus and get this shit out of the way.

And between the time that I got here and the time that the semester started, I got a gym membership and then got a job that was originally going to be part time that turned into full time and the rest was here. Yeah, so I was going to go to school for physical therapy, became a trainer at 18. Within four months, I was a fitness manager, was a fitness manager for a few months, and then the college season started or whatever, signed myself up for classes, showed up twice,

absolutely hated it. And I remember I had a conversation with my manager and I said, I gotta figure this out, I gotta go to school and he goes, why? You know, what do you wanna do? And so I think I wanna do physical therapy because do you wanna work in a clinical setting? And I'm like, I didn't even think about it.

I was a kid and I'm like, no, I don't. I don't wanna work in a clinical, I wanna work in a clinical setting. I'm serious. And he goes, show me your paycheck. So we had just got paid to show my paycheck. Because you're making more than a physical therapist right now.

You like what you do. And I said, I love this. And he goes, why don't you just do this? And so my parents will be so upset. So my manager, who ended up becoming one of my first mentors, came to my house and sat down, had dinner with my parents. That's so wild.

And had this conversation with my parents. And me and him, dinner with my parents. That's so wild. And had this conversation with my parents and me and him, tag team my parents. We closed it. We sold it. And the deal was my parents were like, because you know, my parents are immigrants and like we want our kids to have an education and do all that stuff.

And I said, and I work, I look, I always worked hard I was always responsible. Did you give yourself one year like I did? That was it. So I made the deal. My parents say, let me do this for a year. I'm already making more than a physical therapist did. That was it. So I made the deal. My parents say, let me do this for a year. I'm already making more than a physical therapist is. I love it.

Let me do this for a year. If at the end of the year, then it doesn't work out. And I'll. I want to point out how important that, because the question is pros and cons for each house, right? So something that I think that is so important, because I remember when you for something, literally that was, I made a deal one year. I

said if I really love this thing supposedly and it's supposed to take me where these people are saying it's gonna take me and I know if I put my mind to it and I and I really give it everything I got then you know in a year's time I should know yeah right and I just think that that that is so important because if we would have just not went to school and had kind of a laissez-faire attitude about the direction that we were going along. Totally different. Totally different experience.

But the fact that, you know, we didn't even know each other and that was a very important conversation that you had with your parents and the conversation I have with myself, which is I'm giving this thing one year, which I literally took very few days off in that year. I was constantly reading, I was constantly learning, I was constantly reaching out for people to help me and mentor me.

You're doing it seriously. Very, very seriously. Same here, and I think that's the key here is that if they look at the data and they're like, oh, if you go to college, if you don't go to college, what's your earning potential? What they're not controlling for is a lot of people that don't go to college just don't want to do anything. But if you took the people who didn't go to college because they knew what they're not controlling for is a lot of people that don't go to college just don't don't want to do anything. But if you took the people who didn't go to college because they knew what they wanted to do and they worked hard, whether it be they work in a trade or they're entrepreneurs

or whatever, they exist and you control them against the college people who just graduate. I think you'll see a very different comparison. Well, it's like the only detriment really of not is not having the title. Like if you're going on a podcast and you're not, you know, the PhD or whatever, right? Like in terms of access or like, you know, the academic world, I would say that would probably be, you agree to that.

100%. And it depends on the field. Obviously, there's still barriers to enter. You know, you can't become a doctor without formal education. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's kind of my other point. point in terms of the value of actually getting a degree is really if it's very specifically necessary for the profession that you want to then go acquired.

So I was actually on that same path of trying to get my physical therapy and then go to school after I went to school. It was like, again, square, peg, and around hole for me as well to where I was just like forcing my way to the end in the whole time, not really, and working my ass off to just prove a point to myself and everybody else that it was just like,

I can do this and like, I was always overlooked or whatever, like my brother was the one that, it just came easy to him and it drove me crazy. Like school is really difficult for me in that setting. So that was really just, it was to prove to myself, like I set out to do this. I'm going to complete it. And you know, I'm going to see where the chips fall after this, but I readjusted my focus and kind of was just like, here, I'm just going to graduate and then I'm going see where the chips fall after this, but I readjusted my focus and kind of was just like, here, I'm just gonna graduate,

and then I'm gonna get a real job, and then go from there and like, try and like, work my way into a career at that point. And it kind of took me in different paths, and I got to the point where I was like in the gym setting again, and I've always loved the gym. And it was just kind of one of those weird things that like, it's loosely applicable.

You know, all the stuff I learned, like I definitely can kind of think back and I'm like, oh, there's some courses I took that I do somewhat reference mentally, but for the most part, I would see it being most beneficial for somebody that it's super specific in terms of like what you need to know in order to be good at your job. Okay, yeah, that's all settled. We all agree on that, but personally, from you and Doug, I'm really curious, like if you guys had to like list, like these are the pros for going, these are the cons. What is that list? Look at the money. Okay, right away. Just forever pay that off. Let's see, other cons. I would say, you just part of,

like that, I could be, I, what's hard to say, right? Because like, I could say that, like I could have got further in my career if I would have not gone to school and like knew what I wanted to do, but I didn't really know. Yeah, so.

Plus you wouldn't have, you wouldn't have done what I was doing. So that's taken to the pro. I would say a pro would be it helped you figure out your path. Yeah, right. Going through all these classes, you probably, if you actually hated what you were learning, you probably would have not came out and fell in the career you did, right?

So that's a Pro. Yeah, yeah. So that's a Pro. Honestly, it's, it's, because I love the experience I have friendships and everything I developed and went in. I was in a bunch of weddings of guys and whatnot that You know, I became really good friends with and so relationship-wise it was definitely

Positive there's actually there's a lot of positives for me because it really put me out of my comfort zone I had to you know move across the country get away recreate myself reinvent myself So it was it was a bit of like a journey for me in terms of like coming to where I'm now to move across the country, get away, recreate myself, reinvent myself. So it was a bit of a journey for me in terms of coming to where I am now. But it's really, it's the money that was just destroyed. You could have literally done all that for way cheaper and made money instead of paid for it

if you think about it. That's really the whole point. Yeah, you know what, okay, so I have- Wait, one of your ducks. Okay, I'm tired of hearing your story. Yeah, this is a very, well, no, I have a good point of view because I have kids that tired of hearing your stories. Yeah, this is a very, well, no, well, I have a good point of view because I have kids that are applying for college now,

but I want to hear Doug because when you went to college, very different than when Justin went, and now that my kids are going, it's very different in terms of the cost. Well, yeah, I think it was like $375 a quarter when I went. Yeah. Damn, that's it. $375 a quarter, and of course, you know, every quarter

it seemed to go up. That's for like an Ivy League soul suit. That was a public school, yeah. Okay. I mean, for me, I, I wasn't very clear of what I wanted to do with my life when I went to college. And by the time I got done, I wasn't still wasn't very clear. And I was kind of following other people's paths when I went.

But I felt like I needed a degree. That was like a mandatory for me. And so I went and a lot of the things I learned, I mean, I'll ask me now what I learned and 90% of the stuff I have no idea because it wasn't that impactful for me. I went to the business school. I had a double concentration in accounting and marketing.

Now, the accounting stuff is extremely practical if you're going to be an accountant, which by the time I got done with that program, I had no desire to be an accountant. The marketing on the other hand was, for me, it wasn't impactful at all. I mean, the stuff I've used in marketing since then has been totally outside of anything I really learned in school. So a lot of that was just kind of throw away stuff. So I think that's a really good example of stuff that you can learn on your own. Like marketing is something you can learn on your own. You could probably learn it better than you can at a university. Accounting is, you know, it's a more practical type of profession. So

that made a lot of sense as far as that's concerned. Now, looking back on it, I'm glad I have the degree. One, I couldn't have worked in Japan, which I did for six years without it. I couldn't have gotten my visa. So if you need a job and it requires a degree, then it's good to have it. It was a great experience. I mean, I think the discipline you get from going to class and studying and preparing for tests, I think there's some disciplines you learn from that process that you can take into your life as well.

But all in all, you know, looking back on my life, the accounting stuff I use now, some of it, not to the extent I learned it, but I learned a lot of tax information. I took a couple of tax classes at the university and those were actually a couple of my best classes. The guy I had the class from was actually a practicing tax attorney and he would bring in cases that he was working on in the real life, in the real world.

And so it was very interesting. So tax was actually interesting for me and I've been able to really do things for taxes not only for prior businesses, but even the current business. Well, I think that is unbelievably served us, you know, for sure, that your background in that, because of, I mean, you handle all of that within our business. And I have no desire to do that part or even learn that part. So the fact that even if you don't really like it as much,

you have the most experience and knowledge around it and you just kind of take that on. That's a very crucial part of this business. Yeah, and at the very least, you know what questions to ask. Yeah, that is the key thing. So when you say handle it, I don't actually handle everything. No, you just know that. I interface with the bookkeeper, the CPA,

and then I can ask questions. I mean, we have got to have the experience. We have different definitions of handling. I would still call that handling. Well, it's handling, but if you didn't do it, if you didn't oversee it, it wouldn't get handled. Yeah, I'm not preparing returns or anything like that. No, I mean, a good leader is not doing a lot of the stuff.

He's able to delegate much of what is getting done. But if you did not have that skill set to oversee that, it would be a gaping hole in our business, right? Yes, I don't think tax returns would have made it in for the past eight years. So if you guys are to go back now, so all things, if you were to go back and do it again, knowing what you know now, knowing what you're like,

would you do it again still, or would you not do it because of what you know now? That's a really tough question because it was part of the journey. Yeah know now? That's a really tough question because it was part of the journey. Yeah, bro, I mean, that's a really tough question. Cause it's like asking you, like would you change anything about your trial? I mean, you can't,

cause it's who you are now, so that's really tough. I felt it was necessary for me individually to put me where I am today, but it's just, yeah. Like I, it was all part of the development. Yeah, the market's so different now, that's the big thing. The reason why this is a question people ask now is the cost of the product is so expensive that now people have to do a market analysis.

They didn't have to necessarily before. Before it was just get a degree and they could organize your education for you, especially before the internet, right, Doug, you want to learn stuff. It was harder to organize and find information. They would facilitate it for you. And the cost was so low, it was really a no-brainer. Today, it's so expensive. This is a conversation, so I have kids

that have a son that's gonna college and have a daughter that'll be going in four or five years. So I have to really consider this. And what I tell my kids is, yeah, college is great. If the degree you get has market value that's worth more than the cost of the degree otherwise if you want to learn something you can learn free which is not very much anymore. There's not a lot that that decree 100% there's there's very few jobs unless it's very specific

that the actual degree will pay for it otherwise Otherwise, if you're gonna spend $50,000 or you go to a really expensive call, $100,000, and you get a degree in something that has no market value, you can learn the same stuff if you're really passionate about for free, because the internet makes it so easy. So it makes, and meanwhile, work a job

and actually pay money. Yeah, I was gonna say, like now they have opportunities like at Apple, Facebook, where you could come in and it basically get paid as an intern and like work your way up through the rankings, learn everything you need to learn and grow within that framework. So I mean, there's different, it's a different landscape now. So you come back to that question, like if I was in this setting now where there's more opportunities where I didn't have such high overhead to have that experience, I would have chose the less expensive path

for sure. So that's funny because, and the reason why I'm asking is because I actually have the opposite feeling. I would go, I would go. If I had the money and the resources to say go to a good, a big name college, I would go. If I had the money and the resources to say go to, you know, a good, a big name college, I would go, but my reasons would be different. One of them obviously selfishly would be

for the experience. I would just- You mean a fraternity? No, I would not. It would not be a fraternity. That's all rated. No, not only that, I'm the type person that, like, I start to get friends.

Yeah, yeah, maybe I would start one. Maybe I would be like me, start one I was an honorary member because I was like lived in a house. It was right next door So they all parties and I didn't have to do any other secret nonsense I actually think one of the most beneficial things that nobody said about going to college is actually the Networking that you get so I mean and I think of like, for example, Katrina's last job, she worked for JJ Albany, she's one of the biggest construction companies in the Bay Area.

I think they're in a thousand plus employees, a ton of employees. And it blew my mind when I was walking through the office one day and introducing and meeting everybody for the first time. And Katrina, I was telling her, oh man, everybody seems like there's such good friends of that. She's like, oh yeah, they all went to Bellarmine.

This one went to Bellarmine, this one to Bellarmine, this one, they all went to the same school. And it's a prestigious school, that a lot of smart kids are gonna come out of there. So I think that there's a lot of value. And I don't know how many times I've seen that before where somebody is working with somebody and they went to college together.

They were college buddies. When he got down with his degree, called him up and said, and so it's, you know, sometimes it's not what you know, it's who you know. And being connected to other educated people that had other opportunities, I think there's a lot of leverage and potential in that. There's total potential in the school and bones. Huh?

Yeah. You know, the same family or whatever. No, there's definitely that. For the average person, you know, because you're talking about like Ivy League colleges where you make the real connection, like go to Stanford, go to Harvard, like you're gonna potentially make some nice connections.

Yes, yes, totally. But like, yeah, I would not waste my time with that. I was going to, which is junior college and in some chiefs, college. But the vast majority of people, for sure, you know, they're not gonna do that because either they can't get in

is too expensive or whatever. And so what's happening right now is they're doing cost benefit that because either they can't get in is too expensive or whatever. And so what's happening right now is they're doing cost benefit analysis. Yeah, but it's so important though, back to my original point that I said is that, and the same thing that actually both these guys said for them that it provided the structure

they didn't know what they wanted to be. And I think at that time in your life, when you're like 18 years old, it's such an important thing to, and why you and I had such great success. We knew what we wanted. Yeah, we had a very clear goal. And we put our head, not only do we,

we had a clear goal, we had a timeline even. We would say like, I got a crush in a year. So we both applied, that had to be a massive reason why we both saw success we had as young as we did. But that's true for both. Like, whether you go to college or you don't, if you don't have that attitude and focus, give it college gives you four years to not have that focus. Bro, there's a lot of, there's a lot of Starbucks maristas.

There's a lot of degrees. Oh, no, there's a lot of guys that go to college and they fuck it off for four years and they get out and they're still high and drunk from the four years. And they're still at zero, you're right. But then there's a lot of guys like both of them who kind of figure it out and then they get out and they fall into something they do really well for themselves. I think that- So here's my question. Do you think that the attitude, if someone has the right attitude, it almost in my opinion, doesn't matter which direction they go, they're going to do well. If you have the right attitude.

Yeah, no, if you, if you're, if you do not wanna go into being a lawyer or- Yeah, some of that requires that, okay? And you're trying to contemplate school, but you are a highly motivated person, where if I, you're the type of person where you call me up and I said, read this book, then this book, then this book,

and then that book, and then get back to me, and then we'll move from there. You're the type of person that will go execute and do that, you're going to be fine. Because that is what I learned by not going to college, and I learned the hard way through hard knocks of failing and getting back up and failing is once I found that thirst for knowledge like that, and then that started to really accelerate. Because then I could focus on exactly what I wanted to learn, and then and in that started to really accelerate. And because then I could I could focus on exactly what I wanted to learn and then look at look for the best books, the best people in that space,

the leader and start to consume all that. And then in a relatively short time, I could go from somebody who knew very little about a subject to knowing quite a bit. And and and if so, if if you're the type of person that that fires you up, you will go after that, you'll go do that. Then yeah, school's a waste of time for you because you could be way more, you get a lot more done. You'd be efficient, effective, you can make money. You don't need to be wasting your time in history 101 because you've just consumed four books on marketing

or whatever, you know what I'm saying? And today it's a weird climate, right? Information is super accessible almost or totally free and higher education is super expensive. So their products are losing value left and right, which is why we're seeing the drop in admission. It's an interesting time. I think this is the beginning of the end of traditional

education, that's my opinion. Not saying it's gonna end tomorrow. I agree with that. But I think in 20 years, of the end of traditional education. That's my opinion. Not saying it's going to end tomorrow. I agree with that. But I think in 20 years, it's going to look very different because it doesn't make any sense for a lot of people. So I do wish people learned more history though, so we didn't keep repeating stupid mistakes and fall into proper data. Or stop rewriting history.

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