Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1941: The Best Way to Workout With a Hectic Schedule, How to Prepare for a Strongman Competition, Ways to Stand Out as a Personal Trainer & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:25 Include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Here's a super common mistake people make when trying to bring up a lagging body part. They add volume to that body part but they don't take that volume away from other body parts. In other words, they end up over training trying to bring up a lagging body part. We talked about this with a recent caller, yeah. We did. This is a common mistake. It's that where somebody, you know, because you have like studies will show that a certain amount of volume will provide the best results, per body part volume being like total sets, wraps, weight, that you'd work for that body part. And then there's a total amount of volume that your body can handle just overall, right?

Starting point is 00:03:05 And if you exceed that, then you're gonna get diminishing returns. And a big mistake people make is they say, oh, I wanna bring up my glutes. So they just add 10 sets of that. But they don't take those 10 sets from other body parts. They just throw it on top of their already, hard workout, and they end up over-training their bodies

Starting point is 00:03:22 because they're just adding too much total volume. Instead, what you need to do is take that volume away from maybe body parts that are strong areas that you don't necessarily need to focus on. That way you can apply it to the lagging body part. And then all of a sudden, you'll see results. I'm set old fallacy that to more work will equal more results. Yes. And I did this. I think I think you're not doing enough, but really in a sense too, it's the overall, so you have to make sure you count for everything else.

Starting point is 00:03:48 Yeah, I did this with when I increased the frequency of training my total body. I know you said you did the same thing at him, where it's like, oh, look, studies are showing, hitting a body part two or three days a week is ideal or better than one day a week. So I didn't, I didn't cut my volume into three. I just tripled my volume.

Starting point is 00:04:08 So that did 20 sets for body part three days a week. And then I was like, why isn't this working? Why is my body not responding? You have to account for all that. And this is just one of them. And we think because it's applied to a different body part that it doesn't affect the whole body, but it does. There's like body part specific volume

Starting point is 00:04:24 and then there's total body volume and there's a limit to both. Yeah, and do you think too that it depends on what muscle you're talking about too, right? Because obviously if you're trying to develop, let's say the back, the legs, the chest, the bigger muscle versus like tricep and biceps. Sometimes I feel like I can just increase a little bit more volume or frequency with my thighs and tries and not really change anything else and see a difference. Versus, oh, I want to build my back or my legs.

Starting point is 00:04:51 I had to be very careful on how much more volume I added to those things because of how much overall damage they do to the entire body. I would say it's probably, because yes, that's true, 100% agree with you, but I also think it's probably a better rule of thumb instead of looking at body parts to look at exercises. So some exercises cause more challenges or damage, if you will, to the body.

Starting point is 00:05:13 For example, quads are a big muscle group, okay? Adding extra sets of squats is gonna have a way different impact and adding some leg extensions, right? Biceps are a small body part, but let's say somebody listened to our episode, we talked about doing supinated grip, crow grip pull ups for the biceps.

Starting point is 00:05:29 That would add a way more damage to the body than just like concentration curls or something like that. So I think you gotta look at the total exercises. And that's, I'm glad you brought that up at them because if you take volume away from other body parts, but it's like, okay, I'm not gonna do cable flies, I'm not gonna do rear flies, I'm not, you know, all these little exercises, and then I'm going to throw extra dead lifts in, and extra squats in.

Starting point is 00:05:51 Well, that's not really an equivalent trade. You want to take volume from other body parts and apply it to the lagging body parts, but the exercises need to be pretty close and similar. Otherwise, you know, a few sets of curls traded for squats. It's not really an equal trade. You might get, you know, same total sets, but dead lifts or, you know, I was going to hammer your body way more than curls. Yeah, I wonder who's, you know, most guilty foots. I just see like so much emphasis on butt training as of late over the last few years and just like, I never see scaling the rest of the workouts.

Starting point is 00:06:25 It's just like an over abundance of adding, you know, more glute exercise, you know, based exercises to just like add on top of everything else that's going on. Yeah, but I see mostly when they do that, there, there are a lot of isolation stuff. Yeah, the backs, donkey pee, like, you know, stuff that's not really making a big difference. Volume or trying to make every exercise, like every lower body exercise, a glute exercise. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:47 So now I'm gonna do bands around my legs so I can do abduction while doing a squat or while doing a stiff leg of deadlift or while doing, which there's correctional exercise components to that, but yeah, it's not necessarily gonna build your butt more, for example, but this whole volume trading, nobody does it. I don't, most people, I'd say probably 80% and 90% of people who try to bring up a lagging body part do not subtract volume from other areas to add it to lagging body part.

Starting point is 00:07:15 They just add volume. Also, recognize there's a massive individual variance. Some people can handle a little bit more volume. Some people are going to be very sensitive. It reminds me of, and I feel like we should address the conversation that happened in the forum in regards to the Q&A or the live caller we had, with a live caller, that lady who said that the maps andabolic wasn't helping her legs grow.

Starting point is 00:07:38 And then that triggered somebody in the forum to be like, see, I wish the guys would listen when women say that there's not enough leg volume in maps and a ball. And you know, my response to that was, okay, well, you know, we've had a handful of women that I made that comment. Then we've also had, you know, 30, 40,000 women say that it was, is perfect. That's why we have mods.

Starting point is 00:07:58 That's why we tell people to run the program one time through exactly and then adjust it and modify it to your body. We wouldn't go back and rewrite the entire program because a handful of people said it wasn't enough volume for them, you know? Yeah, the individualized aspect of workouts is so important. You know, to be honest with you,

Starting point is 00:08:15 I don't know if I'd wanna put a workout out without a corresponding podcast so we could explain to people how I know. How can you explain all the nuances and the details of like how to navigate through Yeah, but I caution people because If you don't have tons of experience Training your body and being objective or training other people

Starting point is 00:08:34 then follow Programming as it's laid out so long as it's good programming written by good people I think we all know what we're doing here. So follow it one or two times through, then make adjustments. Because oftentimes your initial thought or how you want to modify it is wrong because you don't necessarily know how to program workouts and what works and what doesn't work. But that being said, there's always an individual variance.

Starting point is 00:08:57 People respond quite differently. Some people have body parts that respond well and others not so well. And there's different contexts and age and hormone levels and all that stuff. So although I would say that that is the exception to the rule because for the most part when I have somebody like that

Starting point is 00:09:13 and then I do a deep dive in their nutrition, their rest, all the other variables that go into play when it comes to seeing results, their technique, their biomechanics, like I start to address all that and it's like, oh, okay, it's not the programming, you know, this wasn't working, right? Or you weren't doing this correctly,

Starting point is 00:09:29 or you weren't feeding your body correctly, or you were overstressing your body. And so many times it's not that. Now, there is the occasion to your point that, you know, somebody is very, very sensitive to volume and they just need barely any, or there's people that need a lot more to stimulate into growth. But I think for the most part, if it's solid programming, and there's need barely any, or there's people that need a lot more to stimulate into growth.

Starting point is 00:09:45 But I think for the most part, if it's solid programming, and there's just no growth or no response happening, more likely than not, it's actually something else that's going on that we haven't addressed. Yeah, and the problem is with individualizing your workouts, when you're not like super experienced,

Starting point is 00:10:00 is that you don't know what you don't know. So you're basing your decisions oftentimes with your workouts based off of things that may not be important to consider. Like how sore you got, or how tired you were, or how sweaty the workout made you, or looking at the workout, meaning like, I feel like my arms got a hard to work out

Starting point is 00:10:20 than my legs. I feel like, right, you hear this quite a bit, it feels this particular way, which often is wrong. I, you know, it took me a long time, I still struggle with this by the way. The whole like, it feels a particular way. Like I tend to over train, even now, I'm doing, I've been doing this for 30 years on myself

Starting point is 00:10:36 over 20 years for other people. I still will oftentimes over train because of the feel part, like, oh, I feel like I could do more. I feel like I should, you know, feel more fatigued you know, feel more fatigue or whatever and end up slowly inching towards doing more and more and more only until the signals get so loud that I'm like, okay, I gotta take some time off

Starting point is 00:10:54 and then, oh look, it's working again. Oops, you know, this is, so for somebody to have that experience, I can only imagine what they're gonna end up doing. And if you allow people with minimal experience to, like if I let my clients who've worked out for a year, modify their workouts, oh my God, the workouts would have looked ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:11:10 I would have been like, why are you doing all these bicep exercises, or why are you, oh, I don't get sore in my shoulders, that's why I'm doing 15 sets for shoulders and two sets for everything else. Well, the comments in the forum came from two trainers, and so I think that was it just it is that they believe that they know better.

Starting point is 00:11:24 Sure, and so. Which is fine, that's when you start to modify. Yeah. No, that's, that was also part of my point. It's like, yeah. And if you know it's not then add, add the volume. If you know what you're doing in your trainer and you feel that you, you know better, then, then add the volume. Although, I would say that's not normally the case. Normally it's something, it's something else, you know. Yeah. But I think that, uh, anabolic does not have a lot of leg volume. It's crazy to me.

Starting point is 00:11:47 Every workout starts off with a lower body movement, whether it's a deadlift or a squat. And a big one. And I feel like too, it was a good introduction to those compound lifts that I feel like a lot of people avoid and they just go right to the leg extension and the kickbacks and all that kind of stuff. And so, you know, to really get them to focus on creating that loud signal and like loading substantial weight, that was always a difficult step with female clients that I'd have.

Starting point is 00:12:11 Oh yeah, I know. Speaking of the forum, great. I don't know if I'd say great, but discussion on cancel closure in there. What? Great? I don't know if that's the right word. So, I waited to, I'm glad you brought it up because I almost got, and sometimes I, you

Starting point is 00:12:30 did good. I'm going to tell you why you got good, because I read your initial comment and it was annoyed Adam started coming out a little bit. So I'm like, I better comment before he goes off. You didn't go off. I did it. You controlled yourself pretty well. I won't, and what I noticed was,

Starting point is 00:12:46 it's like the telephone game. You say something and then it gets misconstrued, right? I was referring to Grant Cardone is his response to the whole Peloton thing with Kanye West. And- Well, explain that for a second. So, so Peloton decided to take his music off. Right, it's part of the whole life.

Starting point is 00:13:04 And so Grant Cardone decided he's not gonna buy any more Peloton decided to take his music off. Right, it's part of the whole life. And so Grant Cardone decided he's not gonna buy any more Peloton's. My point isn't that Peloton, and I said cancel culture is dying. That was your initial comment. That was my initial comment. And my comment why I meant that is because it's a market response. People, I'm okay with Peloton canceling Kanye.

Starting point is 00:13:21 It's a private company. Do it, whatever, okay. But what ends up happening is not what they, I think they anticipate. with Peloton, Canceling, Kanye, it's a private company. Do it. Whatever. Okay. But what ends up happening is not what they, I think they anticipate. I think a lot of times these companies are virtue signaling and hopes that it's going to help with sales and I think it's starting to backfire. So that was my point of saying cancel culture is dying is that here are these companies all virtue signaling and hopes that it's going to help their sales.

Starting point is 00:13:42 But I think what's starting to happen is more and more people are speaking up against them, canceling them. And that's what I met by cancel holders. Not that I'm against pellets. I was a guy who played books. I was a guy who came out when Con Capron, it got fired from the NFL and supported the NFL because of the private company. He was disobeyed something that's written in the book. They ended up letting him go. People were, I rate and crazy about it. I said, no, it's a private company. Yes, they have every right to do that. So Peloton has every right to do that.

Starting point is 00:14:11 I'm not against that. But what I think is funny is that all these people that think these companies are so virtuous and they really give a shit about racism and all this. They don't give a shit about this. They give out a bottom line. When they get in a meeting, you know what they do? They sit around and go, listen, should we make this move?

Starting point is 00:14:28 And the decision isn't something that like, oh, this is what's better for humanity. It's, will this make us more profitable? Well, if it was, it'd be consistent in other countries that ban those like, very great, great point, Justin. What a great point. Yeah, I'd love to see these companies advertising

Starting point is 00:14:44 in countries where they throw gay people off roof top. Yeah, you know, no, okay, bro, if I could get up and hug you, I mean, I probably I would right now because that's what I 100% in fact if you you could find episodes where we talked about this At least three years ago and we speculate because this one is start when companies started doing this first off There's two two things I want to address here with cancel culture. One, cancel culture as a market response is perfectly fine. In other words, private companies, private individuals,

Starting point is 00:15:11 to saying they're going to or not gonna buy products because whatever they want, perfectly fine. Cancel culture as compelled by government with legislation or coercion, totally wrong. That's in a front to liberty and freedom. So two separate things. But the cancelature you're talking about, I agree 100%. I think it's a terrible failing business strategy. And I 100%. I think this is why here's why. When a company takes a position, they have to, they're assuming that they're perfect, that they have no history that

Starting point is 00:15:42 looks bad, that nobody could ever look at what they're doing and say wait your hypocritical here Here you're doing a good job here to like it's impossible these companies are opening the doors to get criticized and they all look hypocritical like Kanye people canceling Kanye yet you have people who said terrible shit about other people who still are allowed to do business or whatever so when you're a company and you come out and you say, we're not doing business with this guy because of what he said. All you do is open the door for people to go through your shit, you're passing, be like, wait a minute.

Starting point is 00:16:11 You're not consistent here. You're also politically dividing your consumer. It's just a stupid thing. You're in the business of selling bikes or selling razors or it's like, you're not in the political game. So why dip your toes in there? I think it, and I think they think it's going to be profitable for them and so they make that decision to do that.

Starting point is 00:16:32 And my point of making that comment is, it's blowing up in their face. Totally. And my point is cancel culture is dying. And so I didn't get all fired up because I don't remember who the girl was that was responding to me, but she totally misunderstood what I meant by that.

Starting point is 00:16:46 I wasn't saying, because she didn't she threw in my face. If you guys had somebody that was racist and saying all these things at work, would you not fire them? They're an at will employee, they work for me. If I didn't like them working for me, I would fire them.

Starting point is 00:16:57 That's the beauty of having the business and running the business and making decisions like that. I'm not saying that Peloton is at fault here. I'm saying it's funnyoton is at fault here. I'm saying it's funny to me that they make that decision, thinking it's going to be a better profitable decision, not because they're doing something for you. No, they're smarter to, like it's like Justin,

Starting point is 00:17:15 what a great example you gave. It's like when Pride month comes around, and you have all these companies displaying their rainbow flags and whatever, while selling products in countries that literally kill people for being gay and won't, they'll change their movies, they'll change their advertising specifically for these countries. So it's all fake. And what happens is, which is, look, completely lose me when they're nice. Here's a deal, if you say nothing, you're better.

Starting point is 00:17:41 You're better off. If you say something and you put you you signaled to everybody how great you are, you open yourself up for this kind of criticism and nobody's gonna win that. Everybody is gonna look bad. Nobody could be perfect on either, on any side. Yeah. So I agree with you.

Starting point is 00:17:55 Netflix actually had to reverse. Remember, remember Netflix, there was a big thing about Chappelle's comedy. And then the, they started losing people as a result and people were unsubscribed and whatever. So they came out and told their employees, listen, we host a we have a bunch of, you know, artists on here, you can do the deal with or not. Don't work here if you don't like it. That was a total flip from how Netflix was appearing to be originally. Why? Because they started to see,

Starting point is 00:18:19 oh, this is going to lose us money. Well, to your point, Adam is going to be interesting to watch the landscape now with Twitter having this whole new shift with Elon coming in. You're just seeing all these tweets floating around now that are very interesting, some fact checks to the fact checking and information that's getting promoted out there. They're like, wait a minute, this is what he means. Here's the context behind that. It's interesting because it is starting to shift

Starting point is 00:18:47 in terms of like, here's another perspective to consider. Well, you already see the narrative that's coming out to try and dethrone Elon from there already. Do you see what they say? The inward is up by 500% on Twitter this week because Elon is now taking over the company. What does that mean? What percent was it before?

Starting point is 00:19:04 How many are you talking about? Is that related directly to Elon? That's the narrative that they're going to push now. We'll see how long. He still has to make a platform that people want to be on. There's always going to be... He's already came out and said, just like Facebook, they're going to create a group that actually monitors himself.

Starting point is 00:19:20 I think it would be... I think it's... Look, here's a deal. First off, you want companies to be honest, so we have laws against lying to people and intentionally harming people. But what you want out of companies is you want companies to profit.

Starting point is 00:19:34 You want companies to come up with ideas and solutions and products that are profitable because that's how we innovate. That's how we move humanity forward through innovation. Now, that also puts the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the consumer. Because if all consumers want is drugs, alcohol, and pornography, that's what all of our innovation is going to go, right?

Starting point is 00:19:53 But people don't like this. Consumers don't like the mirror to be turned on them. Oh, wait a minute. Is the reason why these products exist? These terrible products is because we buy them? Like, yeah, it's because you buy them. It's because we buy them. Like, it's like when people complain about the WNBA

Starting point is 00:20:08 not making any money. How many of these people are buying tickets to these games? How many people are giving money to the WNBA so that they become super profitable? It's all bullshit. So I want companies to try to fight for our dollars and to be profitable because I want that responsibility to make those choices. And if I decide to buy something, then that's how I vote. Not this whole like come out and pretend

Starting point is 00:20:29 you let, you know, you're good or not. Like that's bullshit. Speaking of that, did you guys see the new feature on Instagram? What is it? So the new feature where, so they've rolled it out, I know we've been offered it. I saw I saw on the description. Yes. The 499 subscription. And what does that do? So basically they're coming after only fans. What? They're going to let people get making a shit like it on there. It's a subscription.

Starting point is 00:20:52 It's private. So people pay 499 and they get this little badge next to their name. And now they have a, I think, a forum and they can get, you know how right now you can do your story and only family members that you've put on. So there'll be content that you will be able to post that'll only, the people that pay that 409 subscription will have access to. Wow. Which is basically coming directly after only fans because right now, what's the hustle?

Starting point is 00:21:17 You see all these girls on Instagram and they're like in bikinis and half naked pictures and they get million followers on Instagram, but it's really to drive there Yeah, but it's Netflix going to allow like pornography. Excuse me. Not Netflix. Excuse me Instagram. Are they gonna allow pornography and nudity though? Cuz remember only fans remember they came out and said we're gonna get rid of that and they They don't know I don't know we'll see we'll see What they allow what they don't I mean it's private now so I mean yeah, yeah, but what private? I wouldn't know. We'll see what they allow, I mean, it's private now. So, I mean, yeah, but we're private. I wouldn't, but they're also publicly held. Like, that's that investors might be like, yeah, but the only way you see that

Starting point is 00:21:53 conscious, if you're paying for it, it's different. It's different if it's on a open public plat. I mean, it's, it's hosted by a publicly traded company and a public, well, it's not technically, it's not publicly traded because they're underneath Facebook, right? Well, meta is. Yeah. Okay. But I mean, I think because you're paying for it,

Starting point is 00:22:12 there's gonna be some loopholes on it, what they will allow, what they won't allow. They definitely are probably gonna skirt the line. I mean, it's a $1.2 billion space that only fans basically has monopoly on right now. Did you hear? So this is absolutely their moving. It's coming right.

Starting point is 00:22:26 I don't know what maybe Doug can look this up. I don't know what the percent of the 1.2 billion, how much you guys think of that is content creators that are not using it as nudity. Say like, is that like, because I mean, we could technically do this. We could have a show that we put on, you know, in that platform.

Starting point is 00:22:46 Have you wear a speedo? Yes. I'm not completely. No, think of what percentage you think it is. You guys think half, you think 80% is nudity. So I could see, I could see them saying, I could see them saying no nudity, no pornography. However, there's a lot of content creators on Instagram that could produce content in charge for it and people would pay for it.

Starting point is 00:23:05 So I think that that's probably the direction to go. I don't think that they go nudity and personal. So that's why I asked a question right now. How much do you think? I think it's significant. I don't know, I don't know what number to give up, but I think it's big enough. What would be that?

Starting point is 00:23:15 What would it be significant? Is 5% significant? Is 20% significant? I think, I know. I would say probably half. I would say, oh God, no way. No way. You don't think so?

Starting point is 00:23:23 No, only fans is 90% nudity really yes You don't think it's at least half no really. I mean, I don't even know one that's not well I don't know anybody uses only fans that is not putting out Rascade I'll tell you about one girl. I'll tell you one girl. Well, she figured out so she's a pretty girl right? Okay, she figured out how to instantly, very quickly, go from, like, unknown to the top 0.4% of only fan accounts. 0.4%, so she takes, she takes one of the feet. No.

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Starting point is 00:24:14 Oh, noxious. They made a break only a boyfriend. So they did, should I steal my boyfriend? It's so funny. But she made hell of money. But people just kind of running her life. It's kind of fucking really, really, bro. It's interesting.

Starting point is 00:24:25 I mean, do you remember those Tuesdays of your own venture books? Of course. Those were so popular. Those were, I love those. They tried to do that on Netflix. There was a little bit. I saw that.

Starting point is 00:24:33 Bear Grills had one my favorite. It failed though, huh? I don't think so. I think the Bear Grills one did okay. But yeah, they would shoot a couple of different options and then you'd go back and do it. I watched it. You know, speaking of streaming services

Starting point is 00:24:44 that are doing new stuff, did you see what Disney Plus just rolled out? They just dropped it like a couple different options and then you'd go back and... I watched it. Speaking of streaming services that are doing new stuff, did you see what Disney Plus just rolled out? They just dropped it a couple of days ago. What is it? The first short film that's AR. Oh really? Yeah, so you have to wear AR goggles? No, so you don't wear the...

Starting point is 00:24:56 So you actually download an app on your iPad or iPhone and then you stream the short film. It's just like their first rollout of it and then you're basically looking through the iPad at your TV and that's it augments that reality. What? Yeah, it looks like a waterfall and trees being growing inside your house and stuff.

Starting point is 00:25:14 Wow, that's cool. Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah, it looks really interesting and I could see, I know they're banking hard that like AR is gonna be the thing versus the virtual reality. You're trying to like come to the end. So if I had to guess, I would say AR too. It's the easiest, right?

Starting point is 00:25:31 It is, it is the consumer. It's the easiest for them to create. It's the easiest for them to have the consumer completely disappear into another world. That's right. And you can apply it to everyday life. Yeah, I do think that AR is more likely to take off first, so here it is right there.

Starting point is 00:25:44 See how the water falls in the living room. Did you try it? No, I didn think that AR is more likely to take off first. So here it is right there. See how the water falls in the living room. Did you try it? No, I didn't try it. I actually just read about it this morning. And this is actually the interesting article I was reading. But it's their first test in that market. And I don't know, it looks cool. I'm gonna try it when I get home.

Starting point is 00:25:58 I mean, I'm interested in it. Check it out. Speaking of shows, I have a show that I think you'll like and I know you're a dick about this atom. I was talking about whatever Sal recommends shitty shows. Yeah. No, this is pretty good. Jessica found it.

Starting point is 00:26:11 So I'll tell you guys a premise and you guys let me know what you think. So Steve Correll's in it, by the way, and it's not a comedy. It's actually a, it's like a really. I've seen some of his serious roles. He did a good job. And there's what serious role did I see him in that I really liked? He's done. Morning, Joe.

Starting point is 00:26:24 Yeah, more. Yeah, more issues. Okay, so listen to the premise of this fucking show. It's actually really good. So it's called the patient. So he's this brilliant psychotherapist who's an author and he sees patients and he helps heal them or whatever. He gets this guy who comes in and this dude is trying to get help from him and after so many sessions, Steve Correll, who's a doctor, is like, listen, you're not progressing because you're not being honest

Starting point is 00:26:46 and open with him. You have to be open, you have to tell me, you have to trust me so I can help you and they go back and forth. And the guy you can tell is getting a little irritated. He leaves. Well anyway, next thing he knows, Steve Correll wakes up. He's in this room and he's in this bed

Starting point is 00:26:58 and he tries to get up and he's chained to the bed. And he's like, what the fuck? And he starts panicking, whatever. Anyway, the dude that he was helping walks in and he goes, you know what? He goes, what you said I think is true. He goes, this is the only way I can be totally honest to you. And he's a serial killer.

Starting point is 00:27:12 And he's trying to not be a serial killer. And he tells Steve Carell's character, basically, I'm not gonna let you go until you cure me. Wow. That is so interesting. It's a fucking good show, dude. Interesting. His episode is pretty intense. What's a fucking good show, dude. Interesting.

Starting point is 00:27:25 It's episode is pretty intense. What's it on? What's it on? Hulu. It's on Hulu. It's an FX show. Oh, interesting. It's actually really good, dude.

Starting point is 00:27:33 That does that plot sounds good. Okay, good. I got you. Yeah, yeah. You can at least give me an alien. Aliens, come on. Just like, I'll watch it. What?

Starting point is 00:27:41 Yeah, this is cool. There's another docusies I saw on Netflix. Maybe you guys have seen this, it's called Aftershock. Have you guys seen this? This was during the 2015 earthquake in Nepal. And there was film captured by people trying to climb Mount Everest and that fucking earthquake triggered crazy avalanches.

Starting point is 00:28:02 It is frightening. Yeah, terrifying. It's like we're kissing in real. Crazy. 29 earthquake. I remember so the world series was going on the battle of the day at the time, right? And we went to the battle of the bay the day before

Starting point is 00:28:18 and we were up in the nosebleeds. And I remember going back over the bay bridge and like doing the whole thing. And then the next day just watching on TV, the Bay Bridge doing this and then like smashing cars. And you were just on it. Yeah. I remember just like, oh, yeah, my uncle was at the game the day before also. And then I remember being in the shower when that happened. I actually fell out of the shower. It was so bad. That was that was that was probably the worst earthquake I've ever experienced. Yeah. that's the biggest we've had.

Starting point is 00:28:46 So the other day, we're in here interviewing with Eric on the show. And we actually kept it on. Our editors kept it in the show. Yeah, that's great. As we're interviewing him, earthquakes starts to hit. And it starts rumbling. And it ended up being like a five point two or something.

Starting point is 00:29:02 Yeah, five point two. But for sure, you could tell all of us, we're just waiting for it to get worse. Yeah, that's a big one happen like this. Yeah, I'm like, is this the precursor? Sometimes it's like that like the aftershocks sometimes even bigger. Oh, yeah, dude I remember that with the in 89 it threw me off the couch and I just sat there waiting for it to end That was a terrifying No, terrifying experience. Well, speaking of terrifying, I'm finally gonna bring this up about the British pilot.

Starting point is 00:29:28 I know you guys have been like, antsy about it. Wow, that would happen. Dude, so okay, this flight, I don't know what year this was, but basically there was some kind of explosive, like decompression where the windshield blew off. Like it literally blew off as they took off. Of a plane? Of the plane.

Starting point is 00:29:48 And it pulled the pilot out, outside the plane. And he hooked his feet around the steering wheel to keep him from basically just flying off to his imminent death. And he was able to hold himself like outside and smash himself on the plane for 20 minutes until it landed. And so it went into auto-pilot. Landed, he survived and had bruises and things

Starting point is 00:30:12 like from just getting smashed. But yeah, that was it. I was like, there's no way. It sucked him outside. You'd think it'd be the worst thing possible. That is terrifying. Yeah. What's the closest, what are the closest

Starting point is 00:30:25 near death experiences you guys have had? Do you have any of that? No, yeah. Yeah, my tractor story to guys. I forgot about that. Yeah, when I was, I was 20 years old. I just, I was even younger than that actually. I took that back.

Starting point is 00:30:38 I was 17 years old. I just started working at the dairy, maybe my second week on the job. And the owner of the farm is like, hey, you ever driven a tractor before? And I'm like, no, I'm gonna teach you today. I'm like, okay. So we are going to, we have a hundred acres

Starting point is 00:30:56 and we're on the top of this hill and we are gonna go down and fertilize the hundred acres. At the bottom of the hill is where, like basically the main fence pole starts and it's like we have a telephone pole that's cemented into the ground and then all the fences run off of that. And there's a canal on the left and the right and I'm at the top of it. And he's teaching me how to use a loader and load up this big old tractor full of wood ash. So I learned how to do that. I fill it all up and then he's like, okay, now it's time to drive this one out. Now this is a real slow one. He's like, now when you get going,

Starting point is 00:31:29 he's like, this one doesn't have any brakes. So just keep it in a low gear. The tractor will slow itself down and anybody's ever driven like a tractor like that. If you keep it in a low gear, the engine will do all the slowing down. You don't need any brakes. So just keep it in a low gear as you're coming down the hill and let the tractor do all the work. And so I'm like, okay, so I'm actually right at the crown, so I need to come over and then come down this hill, and I put it in what they call granny gear. And it's like literally, I mean, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:32:00 the crawling. Yeah, it's crawling, it's gonna take me 15 minutes just to get to the tower. So I go to put it in the next gear and it's a little bit faster, I put it in the next gear and it's a little bit faster, I put it in the next gear, and a little bit more faster. Okay, so I'm starting to come over the top like this.

Starting point is 00:32:09 And now I'm coming over the top, and I'm like, okay, I better put it back down in a low gear. Well, I already gained enough speed. Well, you couldn't get it in. So, and then it's gaining more and more speed. And I keep trying to shove it down in a lower gear. And now it's a neutral.

Starting point is 00:32:22 And then it's a neutral. And now I'm heading down the seal. I got like a thousand pounds of wood ash behind me. And I'm in this trailer and it gets going so fast. My fucking front tires are bouncing. And I'm like steer the right, ganks through the right, steer left and there's a canal canal. And I have this little pathway that I'm trying to catch

Starting point is 00:32:40 the wheels and get between. And it's doing this down the hill. And I fucking, baaah!HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH But that scared that that was near death. I never heard that story. It's crazy. Yeah, I told it like at the very beginning of the, when we first met, I told that story. Remember I told you my welding story too? I had two near death experiences at the dairy. Yeah, so I had another experience where my boss was teaching, I learned all this like stuff at this place, right?

Starting point is 00:33:17 So I'm learning to weld this day. And he's teaching me how to do it. And he's like, hey, go plug this in over at the, you know, the 220 volt, whatever like that. And he hands it to me. And this welder has to be from like 1930. Like the fuck them thing is like, that it's all wires are all sticky out of them.

Starting point is 00:33:36 I'm holding it so sorry. I already, yes. So I'm already looking at it, and I'm kinda like, okay. Any minimal waste. Yes, yes, bro, okay. Any minimal waste. Yeah, it's just, bro, making $450. So, I go running over to where we were all the plug is at, which also happens to be in this like,

Starting point is 00:33:56 where we milk the cows. And we had just finished milk in the morning shift. And so there's like little puddles of water and stuff, and I'm in tennis shoes. And I go, this is what I was like. This is why I was exposed to 20, not just regular bro. Well, here's what I've actually had people tell me that I'm actually lucky it was a 220 and not a 110.

Starting point is 00:34:17 I was more likely to die if it was a 110 than a 220. The 220 was so powerful, it fucking went through me. Oh, okay, right. And it fucking went through me. Oh, okay. And it actually went through my feet and I like levitated, like six inches. Wow. It was the fucking- Did you get knocked out or you just felt it?

Starting point is 00:34:31 I didn't knock out. I just felt it, but then I felt so weird. Did you burn marks or did you? No, I didn't have anything like that. Like I didn't see electricity go through me, but I plugged it and when I right, when I plugged it, BWAH, you hear this? And it shoots me up off the ground. I come down and I kind of fall a little bit.

Starting point is 00:34:48 And I just, it let's entertain you. David Blain for a second. And then you went back to work. Yeah. You didn't go home. Then I went over there and learned how to weld, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. So those are two near-death experiences that I had for sure. What about you, Justin? Yeah, I had a few. And they're mainly like driving incidences, but this one was on black ice when we were coming back from we were practicing music.

Starting point is 00:35:11 And it was real. It was like two or three in the morning. And I was on a five lane freeway. And so it was we were in Chicago on our way back to Chicago from I think it was like Iowa or something. And we just hit this one spot. And I was driving. on our way back to Chicago from, I think it was like Iowa or something. And we just hit this one spot. And I was driving, and so I'm driving my Jeep,

Starting point is 00:35:31 and I didn't see it, and we hit just a whole huge patch of ice, because it was like it totally blended in, and so I lost complete control. And so I was trying to kind of steer, and then when I steered, it was like, ooh, and the whole car turned sideways, oh that's not it, and just a little correction this way, NEEEAR, the whole thing went the other side to the point where I started actually spinning around in a circle. And then I finally kind of got it to go straight again, but I was going the wrong way. Hehehe, so I was like, pointed straight, and then I saw in the distance, because it was late, there was a lot of cars on the road, but here comes like two semis.

Starting point is 00:36:06 Like literally, you could see, like I just vividly remember these headlights. And I was, and then my car stopped and I almost stalled it. And so I had to like literally, actually I did stall it. And so the whole thing died. And then I'm watching it all kind of encroach upon me. And so I had to turn it back on, literally like punched it

Starting point is 00:36:27 and it was a stick shift. So I had to punch it and then go and they darted like directly across all five lanes to get past and then, wow, they just like narrowly missed us. Wow. What about you, dude? You want some? I had, so one was legit, the other one's kind of funny.

Starting point is 00:36:43 So the legit one, I was in a car with all my friends. We were probably maybe 18, 19. In fact, I think they were, it was. It was friends of mine from 24, so some GMs and stuff. And we were my buddies Mercedes, we're at a stoplight, and we're all talking and laughing, deep into conversation, didn't realize that the light turned green.

Starting point is 00:37:03 So the light turned green for us to go, but he wasn't paying attention. Cars started honking behind us. He was like, oh, okay, and he gets ready to go. And a semi went through the red light and literally hit their brakes and slid in front of us. How do we go on when the light was green? That's very easy. And that wild one's shit like that happened.

Starting point is 00:37:19 That was weird because it literally was like watching out for it. There was like inches in front of us. We all like, oh shit, and just right in front of us. We all were, oh shit, just, right in front of us and kept going like, dude, if we went when the light turned green, we would have been dead. That's wild. Then the second one,

Starting point is 00:37:32 this one's a little more funny, but I was 16 and I was kinda, you know, in your 16, you're just stupid. So I had this truck that I bought and I put like an exhaust on. I thought it was fast. It was a four cylinder Toyota. But anyway, I was racing.

Starting point is 00:37:47 There was this bigger truck that was on the race. I still race everybody in my car. Always, anytime somebody I thought they were, could race, I would race them. Yeah. And what you did when you were a kid, I don't know if people still do this, but when you beat someone, you get in front of them

Starting point is 00:37:59 and you turn on your hazards. It's like showing them that you want, right? So there's this big truck, light turns green, I burr, and I get in front of them, I hit the hazards and I flip them off. Like, ha ha, I beat you. Anyway, I'm sure you didn't like that. He pulls up next to me,

Starting point is 00:38:14 and it's literally the biggest human I've ever seen my turn. It was this massive, roided out bodybuilder. Red veins, like veins in a red vein, and he's yelling so hard he's spitting through the passenger side.

Starting point is 00:38:28 I'm gonna fucking go and I'm looking at him and I go, I'm just a kid, man. I'm just a kid, man. I'm just a kid, man. I can't say no. Hey, man, I'm just a kid. Anyway, he's following me. There's a red light.

Starting point is 00:38:40 I couldn't go anymore, so I had to stop. He pulls him in front of me, gets out of his car, and he tries to rip my rear- review mirror off while I'm telling him I'm just a kid man, and I'm like try to back up like I have to run this guy over he gets his car takes off anyway I don't know a month later He comes into the 24 to work out with one of my trainers. This guy was a pro bodybuilder. Did he recognize you? No, he didn't Oh, thank God. So I see him walk in.'m like, oh, shit. All right, all right. Let's see what happens.

Starting point is 00:39:06 Anyway, he's just introducing himself working. And I'm like, bro, that's the guy, dude, that I was killed by my car. So I cut him off. I've been stuck in two blizzards, too. That was, I would say, one of the spools of, yeah, both those times were like, like the other events were like fast, right?

Starting point is 00:39:23 Like it was instantaneous. I mean, although it felt like a long time that whole crash and the tractor, the, the, the, the, the, the electric, that was like so quick. But two times I was stuck, one time I was stuck driving around Tahoe and I got stuck on a blizzard on the part where you're right over like incline village area where it's like a two lane and like between South and North.

Starting point is 00:39:44 Over if the winded out. No, we had, we had to drive, had to get home. We had to get home. We're South and Florida. We were like, no, we had to drive, I had to get home. We had to get home. We're in the middle, it was like midnight and we were, I mean, I just drove like four miles an hour the whole way and you couldn't see any road or anything. So that was scary as shit. And then I got stuck in a blizzard on riding,

Starting point is 00:39:57 I got snowboarding and I got stuck in a blizzard on top of the mountain. The alarm started going off and everything and it was so scary going down. I remember being with two of my friends and you were like, we were all holding hands and you couldn't even see the person like you were holding hands with how bad it was blowing from side to side and you couldn't tell where the path was or you're like,

Starting point is 00:40:16 you're riding like this with your hands out just so you don't hit a tree because you can't see anything. Wow. Well speaking of scary stuff, remember how I talked about recently this whole like, oh, watch out, they might put fentanyl in your kids Halloween candy. Whatever. Which candy? Always scary. This is an urban legend, by the way, that's been circulating for decades, right? It used to be razor blades and it was, you know, LSD and whatever. Now it's fentanyl. But here's the real thing you need to check your candy, your kids candy for. This is real now. There are cycles out there that will put almond joy

Starting point is 00:40:46 in your kid's candy. Get that shit out there. Yeah, the real psychopath. Who the hell eats almond joy? Nobody. Disgusting. Or the mounds. Even worse.

Starting point is 00:40:56 Yeah, at least there's no one's coconut. It's like candy. That's got to be what those kids. It's your 90 year old grandma. That's it. I feel like it's a candy that you either love or you hate. Because I guarantee we get some mad, some mad stuff. No, you got to be like 80 or 90 if you really love that stuff.

Starting point is 00:41:11 I like coconut but I don't even like coconut candy. Coconut candy is different. It's gross dude. It's not candy when I was a kid. I got it in some way. Chock the covered prunes or something. You always try to trade somebody with it. It's disgusting. It's so funny to me that that's something that I remember when it first came out

Starting point is 00:41:28 again this year and I called it right away. I'm like, why did they? It's like the same time of the year every year. So, you know, why this one's making its rounds right now because they're they're capturing parents. It's scared easy. Well, they're they're capped first. You're right. It's every year they do this, but they're capturing fentanyl, getting smuggled across the border, and it's being placed in boxes of candy. So that's why, that's what's going on. But the, again, the odds that a drug dealer

Starting point is 00:41:57 is gonna give away his drugs. Never. And easily get traced to his address. Never. Yeah, never. Like, if a kid gets it, it is 100% by accident. It is not like, nobody is like trying to poison kids with drugs. Plus, I don't know, taste it.

Starting point is 00:42:16 It doesn't taste like candy, spit it out. It's probably not candy. You know? I mean, also, you wouldn't do it in a, or I wouldn't, I wouldn't let my kid eat a, you know, like a homemade looking candy. I mean, if it's in a sealed box of good and plenty's

Starting point is 00:42:30 or something weird like that, like I doubt that. Bro, they used to give away, when I was a kid, I remember this one neighbor in my, because we used to trick or treat my grandparents in neighborhood, there's this one neighbor that would give away like, like homemade caramel apple. Oh yeah. Home made though.

Starting point is 00:42:44 That was a thing dude. I know. That was the one where we were kids. I know when we were kids you used to do the homemade stuff. But that's right, that's when it started to get to pop up in there. Well that's when they, yeah they stopped

Starting point is 00:42:53 they stopped doing that. That was popular when we were kids. I had like the popcorn balls. Yeah, popcorn balls, caramel apples. Like I mean when I was a kid we go, when we go trigger treating you would have at least like, I don't know, a third of the candy was like homemade treats. Yeah, that the, it was a kid and we go, when we go trigger treating, you would have at least like, I don't know, a third of the candy was like homemade treats. Yeah, that the, it was a different time back then.

Starting point is 00:43:09 And pencils, all the neighbors knew each other. They all talk to the pencil house, got teepee. Thanks. But yeah, I took, we took a, or the wax lips. What the, yeah, what is that? It's disgusting. We took, we took a map of, uh, trigger treating a wet, we went down to Salinas and we, we walked, um, up and down, like, so they do the thing where they, like, close the streets off and so the stores had it.

Starting point is 00:43:32 It's so cool because, uh, we don't give them candy. So he's so enthralled by the process of it. Like he didn't, he did this whole thing, all this candy. Totally forgot about it after his nap and he never asked about it again. So he's never got no ideas. He's no idea. Yeah, he just thought it was so cool to go. He's on a treasure hunt. Yeah, that's all, I mean, he's just into the colors and all the wrappers and all the stuff, you know?

Starting point is 00:43:55 And so he did the whole process of going trick or treating was a blast for him. And for me, I was like, you know, Friday is a dad. I'm like, God, is he? What are we, how are we going to manage this? Am I going to do this? Tite trait this?rate this and say, didn't even ask about it. It's funny how like costumes have evolved over the years. Like now it's like, you get all these inflatable costumes. It's like the new thing and like my kids are so into like,

Starting point is 00:44:16 so everyone can be like this sumo guy, right? And so it's so funny because he's walking around. He's like super wide and just like this huge like ball, you know, to deal with costumes have come a long way, dude. Oh, really good. Yes. When I was a kid, my mom used to buy my costume at the grocery store and it was the plastic vinyl. You put it over you. Remember the plastic mask and the plastic vinyl cover? That's what I used to wear. Yeah. Have you say like two little slits They cut out by by the way speaking of costumes Doug

Starting point is 00:44:48 Killed you guys. I know You won the costume Because everybody voted and then I'm like dude. How's this even possible Doug just smash because because Sarah and Justin who supposedly won cheated They filled themselves out like 20 times. And that's why Doug was second. I mean, they agree. But like, no, it was the first.

Starting point is 00:45:10 If anything Katrina and I were saying, I thought Katrina and I were gonna, you guys did too. And then we came and I saw Doug and I'm like, fucking Doug. Brought his egg. So good. So good.

Starting point is 00:45:19 But like, he was just, I didn't even know what's him. Yeah, I didn't either. He came in, like, like, like, Uncle Baby Billy, I'm like, yeah, it's bivin' to me like five minutes through your life and it's tugged.

Starting point is 00:45:29 With those, I brought the teeth, this company called Dr. Buck. It's online, you actually, you heat the teeth up with steam. And you, and it molds to your own teeth so you can actually wear them and talk. Now did you, did you like peace every part of that together or did you buy?

Starting point is 00:45:44 Like, cause it would look so good if you piece that together I piece it together. Yeah, I just got a wig on Amazon. I got the teeth and some glasses sunglasses I thought So good Baby Billy from the righteous to jump. Yeah, no, I have a video. So I'll have Andrew them through a video Yeah, so they could see I a video. So I'll have Andrew them through a video like this so they can see everything. I saw Justin, I knew it right away. You were, you know, with that. Yeah, Jack always the obscure reference guy.

Starting point is 00:46:09 I mean, I knew when you were together, when they were separate, I didn't know at first. Once they were together, then it was like, okay, I got to costume now. Yeah, I mean, you know, big trouble little China. Yeah, it's just like anybody who grew up, you know, like that was the go-to and I get sick or was raining or like, I watched that movie so many times. So I was like, it's weird to me that people don't know that movie.

Starting point is 00:46:29 That's great. There's a lot of people that know my family. So half my family didn't know what Katrina and I were like I had to have my family like, oh my god, that's so good. You guys are spot on and then I had other people like, what do you have? That's how it goes. Yeah, yeah. We were from Yellowstone. We were we were rip and I knew you guys. We were by didn't I didn't even watch the show yet. So, yeah, I'm not even like, oh, yeah, yeah. So we pulled from that. And so if you watch the show, you knew right away because I thought we were pretty spot on

Starting point is 00:46:51 with the costume, but Doug, 100% won. That's great. It is getting, the weather is changing a little bit. So that's why I know we're supposed to talk about Vury. Now I got my, I get to put on my long sleeves. Do you guys like their long sleeve stuff? I do. I love, this is the, this is the,

Starting point is 00:47:04 this is the, I think Andrew said this was the strato, tech, I do. Oh yeah. I love this. This is the, this is the, this is the Strato tech, I think. Love it. I don't have one. I have their Henley and I have one of their hoodies and then I have their, I like it because it's kind of like, like it, you know, kind of,

Starting point is 00:47:14 shape the Henley's body. They have a new flannel out. I was like, so excited. That's because of you. I feel like I've been like hammering them about it. They put that really cool one. It was like dark blue.

Starting point is 00:47:23 I have it and then they have a white one. I think they now have like a brown about it. They put that really cool one. It was like dark blue, I have it, and then they have a white one. I think they now have like a brown one. So I'm like, okay, my flannel stock's giving it up. So I went to the pumpkin patch with Jessica and the Relius. Oh, good. So I went there and just kind of hang out whatever and Jessica's getting pretty close

Starting point is 00:47:40 to having this baby. So let's walk around and see what happens. Anyway, I ran into, I forgot his name, sorry I can't give you a shout out, because I forgot his name. Jackie's brother was there. Oh yeah, so some guy comes up with his wife and they do themselves, real nice people.

Starting point is 00:47:52 And they bought me a freaking latte. I got in line behind them and they paid for my latte. So nice, so nice of them. That's the way a fan should. So nice of them. That's the way a fan should. By me shit. Why don't you do yourself. By me and get, then say hi. No, I was very nice. I mean, get fancy high.

Starting point is 00:48:07 I was going to get my shot up. Speaking of public, you just remind me. So do my son is like going through the stuff that's coming out of his mouth. It's like off the chain right now. So he just says random shit that I just would not expect him to say. So he gets, we take him to the Pungent Patch like almost a month ago now. And so he's been back to the Pungent Patch like four times a month ago now and so we I think he's been back to the Pungent Patch Like four times like just he has a blast and Katrina will just take him over there and there's lots of stuff for him to do

Starting point is 00:48:30 And I pick him up from school the other day and He's like daddy Pungent Patch and I'm like no, we're gonna go home We're gonna do this and he's like you could tell he's getting frustrated with me because he keeps saying it over and over I said max we're not going to the P the punk patch right now. He goes, daddy's bald. What? What? What? How does he know that that?

Starting point is 00:48:50 Yeah, so do you say that around you? Okay, so the other day was just like, that's different than observation. Right. He knows it's okay. So a few nights before that, we were reading in bed with him and he was, you know, he was at nighttime, he's the best. He's playful and funny and so like that. And he's, and he was standing up in his bed while I'm reading and he's, and I don't have my hat on.

Starting point is 00:49:09 So he's like rubbing my head and he's like, daddy bald, mommy hair, daddy bald, mommy hair. And he keeps saying that and I'm like, yes, yes, daddy's bald son, yes, daddy's bald. So that was the first time I'd heard it, which was already kind of funny, like, okay, that he's, he's that together. But he literally said this like a fucking jack to hurt. Yeah, it was like I was telling him no.

Starting point is 00:49:27 He was irritated with me and the look on his face was like daddy's ball. It's just like what did you start laughing at all? Of course I did. I was just like, I couldn't believe he said that to me, man. It's so funny right now though. He just the random stuff is the other thing he does too is a later. So like you'll tell him, Max, would you pick up your toys?

Starting point is 00:49:48 We're going to go, we're going to leave right now later, daddy. Later. No, not like he makes a. Hey, it's time. It's time for your bathroom now. Later, dad, later. Bro, right now, not later. Sheds, they're hilarious.

Starting point is 00:50:01 Anyway, we're supposed to mention Felix Gray today. And I, you know, I thought just to keep it simple, it's gotta be the easiest way to positively affect your sleep. There's so many things you could do for sleep to in terms of an intervention. Yes. Just wear the simple ones. That's it.

Starting point is 00:50:16 You just wear blue light blocking glasses. They make them clear so it doesn't change everything. Just do that and you should notice an improvement. So I have, obviously I have friends and family that wear them. And it's just an easy, you don't have to change anything. Just put them on two hours before bed. That's it. To me, it's the most realistic thing to do

Starting point is 00:50:31 because I actually tried not to. What I try and do is turn the lights off, do the fire, can't a light thing. And the reality of it is that there's many times, especially now that we're heading into winter and it'll get dark really early. This will be even more so. So I find myself using them even more now. Because it'll get dark and it'll get dark really early. This will be even more so. So I find myself using them even more now.

Starting point is 00:50:46 Because it'll get dark and it'll still be like five or six. So the TV still go on and we still have Florida sunlights inside the house. And so just training yourself to put those on. I mean, ideally, like we always talk about the natural holistic way is ideal, but let's be honest, how many people are disciplined not to, after the sun goes down,

Starting point is 00:51:03 look at their phone, get on their iPad, get on their computer, watch television. That's what I mean. We have to consider, when you consider interventions to improve your health, the biggest number one, I guess the most important factor is adherence. Is this something that people will actually do? Because there's ideal, and then there's realistic. That's an easy put them on, do whatever you normally do,

Starting point is 00:51:21 and you'll notice an improvement. Yeah, and it's a one-time purchase. Once you own it, you're good. That's not like something you have to be buying every single month. It's like you have it. And then as long as you discipline yourself to, and it doesn't make everything orange or red.

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Starting point is 00:52:01 Go to organify.com, that's ORGANIFI.com forward slash MindPump, then use the code MindPump for 20% off. Alright, here's the rest of the show. Our first caller is Pierce from California. What's happening, Pierce? How can we help you? Hey guys, how are you doing today? Good. All right. Glad to hear it. Glad to hear it.

Starting point is 00:52:20 So yeah, calling from California, I'm here in Davis, so I always feel like I'm kinda close to you guys. It's nice to virtually meet you Glad to hear you're having a good day. I guess I'll go ahead and get started with my question So I really started a new job and I really enjoy it, but it's quite stressful And I know my future academic and career goals will also involve a lot of academic and career goals, while also involve a lot of challenging stress. So while I would describe myself as a fellow fitness

Starting point is 00:52:47 fanatic, I'm realizing training hard for specific fitness goals. Doesn't seem to be the best for me right now. And may not be the best for me as I enter the field of medicine. So in the past, I've heard you guys talk about having your training complement your lifestyle. If your work or school is already very stressful,

Starting point is 00:53:05 as opposed to just training really hard in every area of life. So my question is, how would you advise that I approach and think about training as I continue down this career path? Which of my baseline training look like and my goal isn't necessarily to build a ton of muscle or have crazy fitness, but just be generally healthy

Starting point is 00:53:22 and feel good so I can enjoy recreational activities and push myself in my career. Oh great, you really good question Pierce and you positioned it very well. I like the way you asked what you asked. So right now you said you have a stressful job. What do your hours look like and what do you mean by stressful? So for me this is my first real job. I just recently graduated college so I'm not quite even working full-time yet. It's about 30 hours a week recently graduated college. So I'm not quite even working full time yet. It's about 30 hours a week, but the whole time I'm there,

Starting point is 00:53:48 it's kind of nose to the grindstone. It requires a lot of attention and focus. I'm working in a lab in Davis. And it's a, a lot of ways you can mess up the procedures I'm doing. So I have to be very on my toes like the whole day. Got it. And then when you start medical school, what kind of medicine?

Starting point is 00:54:05 I'm applying to both osteopathic and alopathic schools that's MD and DO, hoping to start next July. Very cool. Yeah, so definitely that whole process is going to require quite a bit of you. So, and the reason why I said I like the way you pose the question is you said, how should I start thinking about fitness?

Starting point is 00:54:21 And I think that's the right way to ask this question because I could give you, and I will, I will give you one of our programs that I think will probably benefit you. But the way that you ask the question is so great because there's really a way that you should think about fitness so that you can mold it properly according and base to your lifestyle. So there's a few things you want to look at when you're looking at working out in a way to improve your life. And one of them is, does is, do my workouts provide me with more energy? Do they improve my ability to do my job, improve my ability to be a good partner, to be a friend?

Starting point is 00:54:55 Do they improve my sleep? Do they just make me feel better? So that's the number one thing you want to ask, because workout that's too hard or a workout that, where your life focus is your workout does the opposite. Like I'm training super hard. So I have less energy to do good in school or less energy to be a good partner or you know I have to find time to take naps so that I can train so hard. So it's totally different philosophy.

Starting point is 00:55:19 So that's what you want to ask yourself and you want to do, Adam has said this a million times, you want to do the least amount of work to elicit the best results with that. So rather than thinking to yourself, what can I add to my workout? Think to yourself, how little can I do and accomplish these goals? How little can I work out and feel great

Starting point is 00:55:37 and feel strong and feel mobile while I'm doing all of these different things? And for most people, for most fit people, I mean, depending on how busy your lifestyle is, you know, it could be like 20 minutes every single day. Like 20 minutes a day, every single day with some structure strength training. And then in addition to that,

Starting point is 00:55:54 just trying to increase activity in your everyday life. So like, okay, after lunch, after dinner, I like to take a 15 minute walk, or while I'm, you know, reading these or while I'm you know reading these papers I'm gonna get on the floor do some mobility work or when I'm writing this you know Whatever I'm gonna be writing for school or whatever. I'm gonna stand rather than sit like combining those two you'll have Great results as you continue to move through all of the stuff. I Like I like him

Starting point is 00:56:21 of the stuff. I like him having maps and a ball like as like a foundation for like when you feel good or like maybe when your workload isn't bad like for right now and then maps 15 to toggle between what you would have a higher stress week, let's say. So and that's how I do it because I think I think maps and a ball is a perfect program for you that does require three days a week in the gym of one hour at a time or at your home gym I don't know if you have a home gym, but you have three hours basically a work a week if you have a crazy Work week then I think maps 15 would be a great way to kind of toggle back and forth between the two programs and you could totally do that So to me those are the first two that come to mind the only thing that I would potentially add to that is some sort of a mobility component to...

Starting point is 00:57:07 Prime Pro. Yeah, because in Prime Pro, you have all these different movements for different parts of your body. And you can learn a few that you really like. And then when you're doing something where you can simultaneously get into a position on the floor or if you have like a five minute break,

Starting point is 00:57:21 mobility, you really can't do, overdo it. It's not like a workout in the sense that requires tons of recovery, and the more you practice mobility movements, the better you get with the mobility and stability. So I think, but I think I agree with that. So we're gonna send you maps at a ball for free, but maps to be a great program, just to have, so that you can have 15, 20 minute workouts,

Starting point is 00:57:44 daily workouts, daily workouts when things get really hectic and crazy. Debbie, great. I actually already have a map stand of Bolic. I wanted a little plug to here. I actually was a personal trainer for about two years through the end of college. You guys really helped me just help a lot of other people. I wanted to thank you guys for that.

Starting point is 00:58:01 I actually still some things from end of Bolic and and stuff to kind of help some of my beginner clients and that was also helpful to me as I was learning how to Do effective programming and stuff. So thank you guys for that. Yeah, no problem. I appreciate it when trained a whole stuff We like that so in that case I'll send you massive team and then like I said maps prime pro would be useful and maybe even Mass performance would be useful now that I know that you've done maps and a baller, ready? Okay. Cool. Thank you guys. No problem. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. Have a good week. You got it. He totally positioned that obviously now looking back. He had the trainer background, right? Yeah. He asked it right.

Starting point is 00:58:38 So it makes sense why he asked it. That's why he presented it like that. Yeah. Because it's really about the mentality around your workout. That's going to guide you. Not so much what's the workout I can do because you have to be able to modify it as things change. Yeah, and to anticipate how your life style is going to change like that and to be able to start seeing.

Starting point is 00:58:55 This one will compliment me best in terms of my stress levels, will help me recuperate. You got to really understand too much volume, too much load. You know, we're going to need to back off. So having a plan going ahead is great to think about. I love too that he didn't have any real like aesthetic goals or major performance goals. It was really like, I just want to feel strong, feel healthy, feel good. I recognize what I'm about to get myself into.

Starting point is 00:59:22 And so what is like a good structure it looks like. So he's being realistic about it. But I mean, I can't stress this enough. If your workout improves the quality of your life, the odds that you'll continue to work out for the rest of your life are so much higher than if you don't understand that. If you don't understand that, you may get faster results in short periods of times or bursts or whatever, but it's so much less likely to keep it to maintain it for the rest of your life, because if it takes away

Starting point is 00:59:47 from the quality of your life, things are more important. Your family, your job, your sleep, and eventually things start to break down. So it's really all about, if you're looking at long-term, I wanna do this for the rest of my life. I wanna stay fit and healthy forever. It's gotta improve your life, otherwise,

Starting point is 01:00:01 it can be very hard to do that. Our next caller is Paul from Ontario. Paul, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi guys. First of all, I just wanted to thank you like everybody does for all the work that you do and everything that you've helped me accomplish. I'm sitting in my gym right now that through the last five years of listening, you guys

Starting point is 01:00:20 have helped me get to a point where I was ready to do that. So thank you for everything that you do for me, my family, and everybody else out there. Awesome. I've got a strong main competition coming up. I'm 31. I've decided instead of going to a later weight category that I would go up, instead of losing 20 pounds gain 10, and we're taking some of my strengths in the process. My thought, though, is I was wondering if I should run a tower lift before running strong to optimize my movement goals with the weight. I figured it would kind of

Starting point is 01:01:01 bode well with mini-bolt that I'm going to be going through. I've run through Poulift and it was very specific. I've only done my own kind of strong man training, working with the log and circus dumbbells and things like that. But I wasn't sure what your take on that would be and how long I could run strong floors. It was something that I could swap out some of the overhead presses or the presses for the banking press. It's going to be in the competition or what your NSA was.

Starting point is 01:01:36 Paul, is your main goal to do well in strongman competitions? Yeah, absolutely. I think that for my first one, I would like to, I would like to at least be able to compete. I look forward to participating, but I also understand that, you know, through the aches and pains that can come with that. I just ran through split and my body felt like the best it's ever felt in my life. And so switching back, I thought this was a safe time to switch to strong as long as I'm running my mobility work and those sort of things appropriately.

Starting point is 01:02:15 Okay, well, if your main goal is to compete in strong man, then you're gonna want to lift in specific ways. Strong man competitions, well, even powerlifting, where any strength competition, skill plays a huge role in how well you're gonna compete, or how much weight you can lift. So powerlifting, maps powerlifting is very specific to powerlifting.

Starting point is 01:02:35 You'll get good at bench press, the deadlift, and the squat. Is there carryover to strong man? A little bit, yeah, I mean, there is, but strong man or map strong will have much more carryover. So I think map strong is going to be the ideal program. And then what I would do is in the work sessions in map strong, that's when I would modify and add movements that are more specific to your competition.

Starting point is 01:02:56 So swap things out, add things, take things away, and make it more specific to what you're doing. And then as far as that's concerned, I like Maps Prime Pro and Maps Prime because mobility is a huge issue with a lot of the events that you do in Strongman. Your ability to move and twist and run with weight and all that stuff is going to be dependent on your stability and your mobility. I think those two Maps Prime Prime Pro will benefit any of your training and then use Maps Strong as a base.

Starting point is 01:03:24 I would modify it depending on the type of competition you're gonna do and what type of events they have. I'd also like to see map symmetry done after your competition. So I think using map strong leading up to the competition that's in a 100% agreeable that it's out saying, I'd modify it if there's specific movements in there that you know are in the competition

Starting point is 01:03:45 that you're not doing a lot of, I would sub them in to the program. And then after you do the competition, I think map symmetry would be great for your body before you go back into either strong or one of the other programs. Okay, very cool. No problem, do you have maps prime, prime pro strong? Do you have all that?

Starting point is 01:04:08 No, I don't I've got my maps prime I was actually going to purchase map strong and I thought that I was gonna be on the episode So I'll look at other double down So I'm gonna purchase that today. So yeah, I don't have the prime pro or the you know Well, don't get it until you get an email from us because I'm gonna send you some free stuff, okay? Wow, thank you so much. No problem.

Starting point is 01:04:32 Yeah, but okay, I think that's it though. I think that's the way you should go and then take it from there. I like Adam's advice though with Symmetry. I think of all the programs we have. That's got the most carryover in terms of correctional. Yeah, especially since he's gonna, he has done power lift, he's going to go real heavy, get on strong.

Starting point is 01:04:48 So he's doing a lot of bilateral stuff. I think some unilateral work and isometric work would be, would complement your, your current training. Obviously, I wouldn't do that now because right now we want to get as strong as we can, specifically for the strong man competition, but then post, that's what I would focus on. With the specifics, do you have access to a gym that has equipment like that, like Atlas Stones and, you know, some of the unconventional type of exercises you can do in there? Yeah, I actually have an atlas stone here.

Starting point is 01:05:17 I've got a 400 pound road, a big break, the stomach being, the log right behind me as well. So I've got all the apparatus that all needs for the competition. Hell yeah. Okay. That cool. Hell yeah. All right, man. Well, you're all safe.

Starting point is 01:05:29 Yeah. Well, you're set up. Yeah, because there's definitely sandbag work and all that circus pressing in the program. You're going to love it, man. Excellent. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate everything. Thanks for following.

Starting point is 01:05:39 Good luck, man. Thank you so much. Take care. Yeah, that's, you know, the skill part of strength is so understated I think or I should say under misunderstood by a lot of people I just read a study today where they had people doing quarter squats and full squats to look at where the strength gains would go And of course you do quarter squats. You're gonna get most of your gains in the quarter squat Right, you do full and that's it to that range of motion. And that's the same exercise, right?

Starting point is 01:06:05 Basically, right? And the full squats, most of the gains will go in the full range of motion. Yeah. With more carryover from the full squat than from the core squat because you're still quarter squatting in the full squat.

Starting point is 01:06:13 But nonetheless, if you're doing a strength sport, you got it, you want to practice the events themselves. We can't just do anything else. Yeah. You practice, you get better at. Like it has to be specifically focused at those movement, the movement itself for learning words of another language. So it can be directly that specific,

Starting point is 01:06:34 and to be able to focus on that, if he wants to do well in his competition, it will always help to include those, to be able to get the techniques and really work his way through that understanding with his body. What a great analogy, Justin. That's the best one.

Starting point is 01:06:48 Is that okay? No, that's phenomenal. No, man, it's true. One for 75. Hey, that was so good. Ram water, dude. That was so good. Every now and then I'll get one.

Starting point is 01:06:57 No, you know what? Because you can definitely like, you know, my dad speaks Italian fluently. And he understands some Spanish because of the crossover. But he ain't gonna speak Spanish as well somebody speaks Spanish very very good analogy there we go I've been working on it That's a top of your head

Starting point is 01:07:13 Our next color is Charlene from Pennsylvania Charlene how can we help you? Hi guys, thank you so much for having me here I'm gonna keep geeking for a little bit because I can't believe I'm on here anyways So I'm just gonna say yeah thanks guys for having me just like everyone else you guys do really such a good job Would you get you know your channel? So I like to watch you guys all the time and I was also gonna say I think even though Justin's a quietist is the funniest Yes, well, that's Thank you. He's also the handsomeist, the bestist.

Starting point is 01:07:45 Thanks, Charlene. Yeah. Negative one point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It goes your free program. Go ahead, share my favorite now. So there we go. Oh my gosh.

Starting point is 01:07:54 I appreciate that. So my question is, okay, so I'll give you a quick overview. You say that I understand what I'm coming from. So quick overview. So I went to college as an engineer. I'm a work for like four and a half years after I graduated. So I did that during COVID and then, well, I did that after college before COVID.

Starting point is 01:08:11 And then during COVID, I started hating it. Like it was really bad. And the corporate thing was just like, it just wasn't working out for me. I was like, I can't do this anymore. So I was working from home and I don't know. For some reason, it just got worse in terms of like workload and management I just hated it. So I got into fitness since it was something that I was

Starting point is 01:08:30 doing like in college and high school I've always been an active person but you know of course just like most people you don't do it like professionally so you know you have to go to school. So I quit my job a year and a half ago. So since then, I got certified, started doing personal training. So I bounced around from gym to gym, couldn't find a good gym until I finally found one that I really liked.

Starting point is 01:08:55 So I've been working there since June. So right now, it my job, starting to get more and more science. So basically, it's going pretty well. And I got the idea from Adam in terms of training as many people as you can, not trying to niche down already. So the other day, a member came in there and she looked like she had spinal issues or some kind

Starting point is 01:09:18 of issue, right? But she was looking for a trainer and she needed personal training, but she wanted to know what I specialize in. I was like, I mean, I guess I gave her my experience, but I didn't really have a direct answer for that. And my coworker is also saying that like, you know, he'd like to know eventually like what my specialty is, so that eventually he, if he knows what I'm good at, he can recommend

Starting point is 01:09:43 people to me when I'm not there. So I guess I just want to know, I want to be able to figure out, how do you guys figure out how to niche down? Is it really important as it first start training and if it is, how important is that? No, I don't think it's that important. And I still would stick with my original advice, but I will give you more advice in regards. And if I would go back and do it all over again, I had to reorder all my certifications and which one I would have done first, I would have become a corrective exercise specialist first because of what the

Starting point is 01:10:14 situation you just ran into right now. And that also applies to damn near every client you'll ever train. So they're very rarely will I ever. It's got so much carry over. It does. It has so much carry over. And even if longevity with your clients. And that's, and that type of client is one of the hardest clients to help if you don't have that background.

Starting point is 01:10:31 You don't know how to help her or teach her what to do or your concern or your fearful of like, oh, what do I do with this person? Because they have this spinal condition. Like if you get that corrective exercise specialist background, that will not only take care of that client, but it will carry over into everything. Athletes, high performance clients, your fat loss clients, your must, I mean, everybody

Starting point is 01:10:52 will benefit from that specialty or certification. And so I would highly recommend moving that just, which would look like this, either an ASM's version of corrective exercise specialist, Ken Stretch, Al Della, what other ones that I'm going to be. PPPBS has some of that in the two. Yeah, look up Kelly Starrett's book. They added one to many keys. And did you see PPPBS? CPPPBS.

Starting point is 01:11:18 Those are all, I think, good references for you as far as certifications and reads. And then you can then when a gym owner asks you, you can say, I'm a corrective exercise specialist, although I train all clients and I work with everybody, but that's my specialty. Let me add to that. So I'm gonna back that up 100%.

Starting point is 01:11:35 Somebody, a trainer that really understands correctional exercise can bring value to almost any client. In fact, I can't think of a client that wouldn't benefit from that. Now, the second part, which might be a little different, is when your manager, because I know what your manager's doing, your manager's trying to pair you with the best clients

Starting point is 01:11:52 for you, okay? So, as a manager, you're always trying to find, you're trying to match personalities, match goals, match schedules, so that the client that comes in works with the best trainer and they have a good bond and it works out well So the question that they're really asking you was not necessarily what are your specialties, but rather what kind of clients do you like to train?

Starting point is 01:12:12 Yeah, so that's the way I would answer that so when your manager asks you What are your specialties say well? I really like to train and then name the people that you like to train I like to train busy moms. I like to train executives I like to train people who are trying to build lots of strength. I really like working with people for fat loss, I like working with people in advanced age, like whatever you enjoy working with, just tell your manager and let them know. It can even be personalities, like, you know, I really like working with people who are shy to come work at work in the gym, or I like people who are beginners.

Starting point is 01:12:41 Like, I used to match my trainers to clients who, you know, of course, there were the specialties that oftentimes I would need to connect, but really was usually about personalities. Yeah. When I had a potential client and I saw that they were shy or, you know, I knew that there was a trainer that I had that worked well with them

Starting point is 01:12:59 or someone was loud and boystress. I knew that I had another trainer that worked with them. So all these things that are things you want to consider. To that point too, I remember back when Adam would give me all these really, really difficult personality people, intentionally, because he knew though that I could handle that in terms of if you can win somebody over that has a whole lot of reserves from the very beginning,

Starting point is 01:13:23 those tended to be my best clients, the lifer clients. And so if you can work through that between that and then the previous advice, which I think was really good in terms of like focusing on pain and being able to alleviate that through corrective exercise, through mobility, I think we'll set you so much further up in the future because it does translate to everything. And I think that that message doesn't get out enough to personal trainers to really put that tool in their toolbox first and foremost,

Starting point is 01:13:54 because weight loss and all these, like the normal things that bring people into the gym, your real value is to be able to solve pain and certain dysfunction that they have to then benefit their life and the pursuits elsewhere. And so I think that that's probably, you know, that's something that's really special to each of you. What programs of ours do you own already?

Starting point is 01:14:18 I got performance and antibiotics for myself. Okay. So I'm going to have, I'm going to have Dougson, you maps prime because I think that's a, that's a must have for myself. Okay, so I'm gonna have Doug send you Maps Prime because I think that's a must have for you. And then we'll send over some other things to look into, but that's an incredible starting point for you. Every trainer should have. Every trainer should absolutely have Maps Prime.

Starting point is 01:14:35 So we're gonna send that over to you and then look into the courses that I was talking about. And I think it'll do great. Charlie, one more question for you. So you went to school to be an engineer. So you had a degree in engineering. And then you quit your engineering job to be a personal trainer. How did your parents feel about that?

Starting point is 01:14:52 Well, I'm African. So you can imagine what they said. That was a tough conversation. Don't tell them it was us, right? Yeah, no, it wasn't good. My dad almost like, I think they were almost in denial. They were like shocked. And they're still kind of getting over it. I mean, this still my parents love me, but it wasn't good.

Starting point is 01:15:10 I mean, the same thing is me. So I knew I wasn't gonna get a whooping. I was like, whoop. I imagine the discipline it took though to finish your degree and the thing and you know, you'll crush. Yeah, you strike me as somebody. How you do anything is how you do everything. So I imagine that you will apply the same tenacity

Starting point is 01:15:27 towards this career and then certainly be able to show them your success there. And I think the questions you're asking are fair. I really think you go, go the correctional exercise route, Charlene. I could see that so much value. There's so much you can learn there and apply. And it really will make you extremely valuable

Starting point is 01:15:44 in the marketplace. The most valuable trainers in the marketplace. The most valuable trainers in the marketplace in terms of dollars, in terms of how much they could charge the businesses that they could build are specialists in correctional exercise. And along those lines since we're going to continue to push and motivate you in this direction now that we know your story a little more, I would start building relationships with chiro's and doctors right now because if you get if you start to get really good At the corrective exercise, especially as you're the perfect bridge for those patients

Starting point is 01:16:11 I'll send you all the rest. I got so many referrals I mean that was really the inspiration of maps prime and prime pro for us was to bridge the gap between physical therapy And chiropractors and the gym because they get all these people that are broken down and hurt and can't move well. They get them moving better and then it becomes okay well what does that look like? Do you throw them right into a strength building program? Well there should be a nice bridge to help that person move better inside the gym. That was prime and prime pro when we created that and so I think you going out building relationships with physical therapists, chiropractors, doctors, start building that network now while you're going through the education process of corrective exercise specialists and become that resource

Starting point is 01:16:54 for them that could drive your business by itself. Yeah. So thanks for calling. Thanks for calling in short. Yeah. Thanks. I'm honestly, I was going to say like literally all my clients are literally corrective and I think that's you guys just literally just spoke what I was, you know thinking so Perfect awesome Charlie. Thanks Charlene

Starting point is 01:17:14 You got it. Thank you. Yeah, I like her. She's gonna do all right. She didn't do all I think she's gonna do I mean can't you favorite so far? I know when I heard that though from engine she's young right she went from engineering to personal Trailer. Oh my god, oh my god, you're you're parents. You're shocked. I'm the parents. You bet you're being a dad. You know what I'm saying? I just spent how much you said you're college. You want to be a trainer. It hurts a little now as a dad. I'm kind of sitting on that side. I don't know. You do. You can do. You can do very well in our space. It's just hard. Yeah, but again, how you doing these, how you do I think? Right. So I'm if you got an engineering degree and I know the kind of job that is to do that,

Starting point is 01:17:45 you apply that mindset and discipline over in the training and I think she'll step up. But I think your point was just perfect. The most value I saw in the marketplace of fitness was through being able to get people to feel better. If I could go back and do it all over again. Like fat loss doesn't even come close. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:18:02 I think it's about fat loss. Everybody thinks about, no, no, no. If you're a trainer and you can make people move and feel better and not feel pain anymore, you are invaluable. It was like over six years. I can't remember when I got my CES, but it was a long time. It was, so a good chunk of my career, I didn't have that.

Starting point is 01:18:16 And then when I got that, it was like this whole thing opened up for me, like, oh my God, like I was missing this piece to my training. It applies to every client. And you being able to do that, you help somebody at the most basic level to the highest level of experience. Like you, how many experienced lifters

Starting point is 01:18:34 were you able to help correct something? Because the blood are mine. Yeah, blood are mine. They've been lifting for 20 years, but they've got this issue that bothers in my crazy and they can't put their finger on it. Their body looks good, because they understand nutrition and exercise is important but they don't know about how the body moves like that and how to correct it. Oh my god, that's a huge, huge one.

Starting point is 01:18:52 Our next color is Doug from California. Doug, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, thank you for taking my call. I really do appreciate it. To start off with the obligatory thanks. I've been listening to MindPunk for a little over a year and it has definitely changed my YouTube subscriber attendance as well as my life. So yeah, I really do appreciate the time. I'll just, I'll kick it off. So my story kind of starts, or at least my question,

Starting point is 01:19:23 about a year ago, I had gotten COVID, and then through COVID, I developed a pretty bad lung infection, which led to pneumonia, and then a heart inflammation. So I was out of work. I do commercial construction, but I was bedridden for about three months. Before that I was relatively, relatively lean. I waited about two thirty-five but during that period I six foot three by the way. During that time I gained about 30 pounds and my metabolism just went down. I don't know exactly what it caused that but it just started getting really bad.

Starting point is 01:20:05 But around that time, I started listening to you guys. And I wanted to take advantage of, I mean, at that point, I was 265. I was eating about just that maintenance, maybe 2400 calories a day, which was like, rough. So I wanted to start gaining some muscle. I listened to a lot of what you guys were saying about how reverse dieting would be beneficial at that point, trying to build some muscle to help my body like build its mentalism up. And I got some of a, I got maps powerlifts, I got maps performance and maps strong. And man, that was super, super helpful. So over, over about a year of programming, I stayed in powerlifts for about six months.

Starting point is 01:20:52 But I do, it was, I mean, absolutely life-changing, guys. I can't tell you enough. Like I seriously questioned every single workout and every single phase. I had never done full body workouts. Very like I was very much like why are they having me? Do these percentages? It doesn't make sense. Like I feel strong when I leave. Like I feel like I have more to give and dude I saw just tremendous. So I stayed just to give you like the nuts and bolts of it. I stayed at

Starting point is 01:21:25 265 and went from 30% body fat to about 20. Wow. Wow. And about a year. Wow. Nice. Yeah. My macros went from, or my calories went from 2400 to about 4500 at my like peaking. And man, it was props to you guys. I don't question the programs anymore,

Starting point is 01:21:49 but it was definitely counterintuitive. Until I started seeing those results, it's super, super beneficial. But anyways, I started cutting down weight, and this all kind of happened in around August. I decided, hey, I built a good amount of muscle. I feel strong. I feel active. I feel healthy I think I want to start bringing the calories down and then I injured my knee. I'm waiting on an MRI my doctor thinks that's either a

Starting point is 01:22:19 Pop diet T-band or a tormentous kiss But this is kind of what started to happen in men. Like my body started talking to me and I just started getting super, super tired. And I figured it was just something like no big deal. Maybe I've just been training for too long. Maybe I need to take a little bit of a rest. And then all of a sudden,

Starting point is 01:22:42 I just started feeling like super super irritable, really really grouchy energy level started going super low down and man I didn't know it was wrong. At first I thought like maybe I'm just like being crabby and I need to get over it. And then like my libido just absolutely, which is very strange for me. And so it really boiled down. I went and got some blood work. And this all kind of happened one day. I came home from work and my daughters,

Starting point is 01:23:15 they're asking me, Dad, if we go to the park, I got two girls six and four. And I'm just like, man, it was heartbreaking for me to just tell them, girls, I just don't have any energy. I can't even go outside and play kids. I just felt so slow, gush and low. Like I went from benching 315 pounds, like feeling like my muscles are getting sore

Starting point is 01:23:35 after doing like 10 pushups. So I went and I got some blood work done and it turns out I had like really low testosterone, which I thought was strange. And then my cholesterol was super, I guess for my age, really high as what I was told. My LDL cholesterol, I'm looking at it right now, is 227, but then my HDL cholesterol is below at about 15.

Starting point is 01:24:03 And so I just kind of ceased like every time I would try to exercise like dude it just hurts so bad. I feel like I have like no energy. And I was just wondering like what you guys would recommend moving forward. Yeah, 100%. I want you to go and work with functional medicine practitioners over at MP holistic health.

Starting point is 01:24:27 Is that the name of our forum, Doug? Is it MP holistic health? Yes. So on Facebook, we have a free forum and it's run by Dr. Cabral's team of specialists. They're all functional medicine practitioners or assistants and you need to work with the functional medicine practitioner. There's something at the root here that's causing all those things to go from where you were to suddenly having the slow testosterone, this really high cholesterol number.

Starting point is 01:24:53 I'm not even going to try to speculate. I'm going to throw a bunch of stuff out there. Well, you can tell this that those feelings are probably directly connected to what you just found out. Of course, blood work. But something's causing that. And so with the functional medicine practitioners, they can have you do a bunch of different labs

Starting point is 01:25:09 to try to identify what's going on and then use a holistic approach to try and get things to change, either through treating gut dysbiosis, working with herbs and lifestyle to get your body to work with itself, to get back on track. That's the place I'm going to send you.

Starting point is 01:25:25 By the way, this is, and this, you're a clear example of how we would recommend most people try and figure this out first before you do TRT. So TRT may be something that you explore in the future, but absolutely go this route first to get to the bottom of it of why this potentially happened right now and see if we can get to the root cause of it. But the recommendation may be to go HRT route in the future. But yeah, I'd go MP holistic health, go in that forum and then see if you can make an appointment with one of them and to get some recommendations for labs and stuff. And then take it from there because it sounds like there's something underlying.

Starting point is 01:26:03 There's something under the root issue here. maybe not just one thing, but a few different things, because from where you went, from where you were to where all of a sudden, you went, yeah. So I don't think it, yeah, you're going to feel bad from low testosterone, but something's causing your testosterone to get low. And if you're, yeah, that's what I thought too, because I had said, like I've done like a bit of research, but I'm not really like a research junkie.

Starting point is 01:26:25 It was maybe from getting an injury and getting more internal information that can affect testosterone. I don't really know, but it happened super. This all started in August, and I got that blood work done three weeks ago, and by that one, this is for the birds. I do not feel like this anymore. done three weeks ago and by that point, this is for the birds, like I do not feel like this anymore. I couldn't even explain how different

Starting point is 01:26:49 of a life it feels like. Doug, listen, it could be, you could have high levels of a toxic metal in your system, which could cause these symptoms. You could have some nutrient deficiencies that could cause this. You could have a underlying infection in your gut. Multiple stress factors. Yeah, and so there's like certain things can happen

Starting point is 01:27:09 that can trigger all the things that you're talking about, but you have to figure out what it is first. And so working with somebody who's in functional medicine practitioner, that's what they do. They look and try to find the underlying cause. So, I mean, I'm not even gonna sit here and try because I wouldn't need to see labs. I would need to do all that. And I'm not even an expert. I want you to keep us in the loop, though. I really do want, I want you to get connected with Cabral and their team. Spend the time, spend the money. It'll

Starting point is 01:27:35 be all of it. We'll be worth it for you to get to the bottom of this and help you out. And then stay in touch with us. So then when we start to hear what Cabral is telling you, we can help guide you potentially on the fitness side on what things we would do as far as strength training and stuff like that. If he says to compliment that. And look, not to give you false hope or like I said, I don't know what's going on, but I've had people with similar situations where they'll come to me and be like, man, it was weird. It was like all of a sudden and I noticed this and I was so much better before and

Starting point is 01:28:03 I'm like, well, what changed? Nothing really, I don't know what's going on. And it was like SIBO that they could treat or it was toxic metal build up that they didn't even were any more wearer. Yeah, so. And it was like, oh my God, once I fixed it or parasite, once I fixed that, my health came back. So not saying it could, it's a silver bullet, there's probably a few things, but something there's something at the root here It doesn't sound like you just oh, you know, you know, you know, I just my body. I'm getting older whenever I'm from what you came from bro You were just you were crushing it sounds like so Yeah, and I

Starting point is 01:28:36 This trip is I'm 29 and so I'm like yeah, this does feel like very or like none of my peers like people even at my work Like this doesn't seem like very calm and practice, you know like this was not like a easy transition So yeah, I appreciate the advice. No problem. Yeah, yeah, so go there ask see if you could set up an appointment work with one of them And they'll be able to figure it out and keep us in the loop. I really want to find out how everything goes Yeah, thanks Doug Okay, I asked one more thing just as far as how everything goes, Doug. Thanks, Doug. I appreciate it. Well, okay, I asked one more thing just as far as eating goes,

Starting point is 01:29:07 because I don't really know much about cholesterol reproduction or anything like that, because they're like a dietary recommendation that you guys have. That's good. I was gonna do all that, though. Yeah, I can give you general advice. I can give you general advice.

Starting point is 01:29:22 However, a spike in cholesterol could be due to something underlying That could be causing that or maybe to know that you had high cholesterol this whole time. I'm not sure but generally speaking Eating in a calorie deficit not and having a low saturated fat intake generally does lower Total cholesterol and help with LDL with people who are susceptible to having high cholesterol. That's general though So I think when you work with the team over there, though, because they'll be doing all the labs with you, that's definitely something they're gonna address.

Starting point is 01:29:50 Yeah, he's gonna talk to you specifically what to do. Okay, I appreciate it. Yep, no problem, man. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, man, thank you. You got it. Boy, that's tough. Yeah, that's really strange to go,

Starting point is 01:30:03 and 29 years old, I mean, to be crushing the way it's seeing great results like he was. And I mean, all the symptoms is like definitely the symptoms of low testosterone, right? So yeah, he sounds like everything. Everyone took it from her. I know it was to there. It does kind of sound, and I've heard similar stories

Starting point is 01:30:20 like this, but they were usually around like a parasite that they got traveling somewhere, or something like crazy like that, but yeah It's to speculate is just you know I love that he called in and they the listener can't see this But you know, he did ask that's why by the way I brought up the TRT thing because that was one of his questions was like should I go this route? There's a classic example of why you wouldn't want to do that in this situation because that might mask what's really going on inside.

Starting point is 01:30:47 Because I guarantee if you give somebody that's that low testosterone, a shot of testosterone, right? Or the right way? You're gonna feel better. You're gonna feel better when you were, but then you didn't address how you got. No, and you might not get back to where you were before

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