Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1943: The Importance of Total Protein Vs. Total Calories When Bulking, the Muscle Building Benefits of Zercher Squats, Hitting Accidental PRs & More

Episode Date: November 11, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Here is an EASY way to reduce your calories by 10-15%, simply eat while NOT distracted! (2:06) Are you using DoorDash express? (7:38) The benefits of using Seed for your skin and mental health! (12:56) Why you should choose Organifi if you want your supplements to be glyphosate-free. (14:54) Will insect foods become a trend? (18:49) Why is Justin prone to head injuries? (24:24) Pornography’s profound effect on the brain. (30:27) MrBeast is the future of media. (41:06) Will Jake Paul become the highest-paid boxer of all time? (48:15) #Quah question #1 - When bulking, does the total amount of calories consumed matter more than grams of protein? (53:28) #Quah question #2 - Can you use Zercher Squats to build muscle or is it a performance component in MAPS Performance? (58:52) #Quah question #3 - Do you think people can lift more weight if they don’t know how heavy the weight is?  Does knowing a certain weight is “heavy” make you perform better or worse? (1:04:34) #Quah question #4 - If you couldn’t be in the fitness space what would all of you be doing? (1:07:48) Related Links/Products Mentioned MIND PUMP LIVE Q&A W/ MAX LUGAVERE Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01™ Daily Synbiotic** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** November Promotion: MAPS OCR or MAPS Cardio HALF OFF! **Promo code NOVEMBER50 at checkout** PC Express ™ Rapid Delivery Delivery - DoorDash The Effectiveness and Safety of Probiotic Supplements for Psoriasis: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials and Preclinical Trials Equi.life is offering all Mind Pump listeners the Stress, Mood & Metabolism at Home Lab Test for 50% off! Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Glyphosate formulations and their use for the inhibition of 5-enolpyruvylshikimate-3-phosphate synthase Watching pornography rewires the brain to a more juvenile state Social Media Use Linked to Developing Depression Regardless of Personality MrBeast Is Looking To Raise $150 Million For His Empire, At A $1.5 BILLION Valuation! MrBeast Said He Turned Down $1 Billion Deal for His YouTube Channel #1788 - Mr. Beast - The Joe Rogan Experience | Podcast on Spotify Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout** Build Your Legs with the Zercher Squat - Mind Pump TV Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Jake Paul (@jakepaul) Instagram

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If you're interested in the 50% off discount, go to mapsfitinistproducts.com and then use the code November 50 for the 50% off discount. All right, here comes the show. Here's an easy way to reduce your calories by 10 to 15%. Okay, you don't have to count calories, you don't have to look at your food, simply eat while not distracted. Studies show that when people eat while distracted on their phone or watching TV

or doing something else, other than focusing on their food, they actually eat 10 to 15% more calories. So I actually think that this is going to get worse. I mean, we're always distracted. Well, not only we always distracted, but we're also living in this kind of time frame where, I mean, at least in our lifetime, I clearly remember what it was like not to have a cell phone everywhere I went.

And I even catch myself now where, I mean, if I leave a room and I don't feel it in my pocket or it's not in my hand, like I stop and go back and go get it, like it's just, and it's not even something I consciously think about. It's not like I go like, oh, I absolutely need my phone, because technically a lot of times I don't even need it what I'm doing.

In fact, it's so natural. You don't even think about it until it's not there. That's right. That's right. So I feel like the studies that are around this are still on the front end of this, the beginning of how ridiculous and how distracted we're becoming and how plugged in we are.

So the numbers of like, oh, can we get 10 to 15% difference? I think it's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how big of an impact, I think this is gonna make it a future. I agree with you, because what the studies do is they take people and they have them eat and then they have other people and they have them eat but while distracted and then they measure the calories.

But I agree with you Adam, because it's become such a big part of our lives that there's so many far reaching consequences or effects that we haven't even begin to identify them. But really the point of this is this, is that there's two ways you could approach cutting your calories by 10%. Because if you're eating, let's say your maintenance

is 2200 calories, right? Cutting your calories by 220, it's a small cut, but you'll still see some weight loss over time especially if you have a good workout routine Right, so there's two ways to do it either count your calories and try to cut 220 calories or Simply eat while not distracted and the reason why I like that is because it's it's easier for people to stick to or at least It doesn't feel as restrictive if feels restrictive when you're counter your calories and you're saying yourself No, I can only 2000 instead of you know 2200 or whatever doing it this way It feels restrictive when you're counter your calories and you're saying yourself, no, I can only eat 2000 instead of, you know,

2200 or whatever, doing it this way, it's like, well, I'm gonna eat like I normally do, and I'm gonna eat until I'm satisfied. I'm just not gonna eat while distracted. And the studies show it'll lead to the calorie cut that you're looking for. It just doesn't feel near to you. It's just an overtime thing.

It doesn't feel that significant that it's really impacting you like that. But to every single time that you're eating and you're observing something on your phone, you're watching TV, like your mind's elsewhere and you're just still consuming, I mean, it's pretty easy to see like a hundred calories, a 200 extra, you know, just over time

and week after week, how that volume's gonna really stack up and add weight. Yeah, I think this also just makes you a better person too. Yeah, the asshole who's sitting at the table on their phone while there's other people that are too rude. I also, the weirdest moves. And now, I also think that besides the initial calorie cut

that this would result in, you would also slowly over time notice more and more benefits because eating while distracted, one of the reasons, one of the theories as to why this leads to higher calorie consumption is that it it It keeps you away from or disconnected from to an extent The signals of satiety you get when you eat so the your body will send you signals It's okay. We we've eaten enough. I think we're satisfied But because you're distracted you don't pick up on them as quickly,

and you keep eating, keep eating until the signal gets strong and have to wear overcomes the fact that you're distracted, and you say, okay, I'll stop eating now, and that results in 10% or 15% more calories. But there's other stuff associated with that, right? Not being connected to my body's signals means I'm more likely to eat foods that aren't good for me, I'm less likely to be able to develop good relationships with food so I can have balance

with my diet. So, in my experiences as a trainer and coach, when I would tell people to be focused when they eat or present, I should say, when they eat. So don't have your phone, don't watch TV, just eat and pay attention to what you're eating. Not only did they end up eating less on accident, but they also started to develop a more attuned relationship to food, which led them to have more natural balance because we are so disconnected from our food

because of being distracted or because foods are designed to make us overeat, like heavily processed foods, or we eat when we're stressed out, or whatever, that it's hard for us to make good decisions because we're not able to read our bodies very well. We're so disconnected from it. So this doesn't just lead, in my opinion, to a natural calorie reduction, but it also

puts you on the path to being more connected to your body, which will lead to eventually a better relationship with food. Well, and I also notice, like, digestive issues as a result, too, of like it just promotes that sort of speed because your hand is just like constantly feeding you, you're not really chewing enough either. And so that whole process of like, you know, really break in the food now and getting the sliver production, you know, going through that process, getting to the stomach where everything has like a little bit more of a slower timing so your body is able to like adequately react the way it should.

I do that all the time where I have to like, you know, check myself on that because if I'm eating too quick, I'm gonna suffer, you know, and get the consequences of the acid reflux or things like coming up as a result of that. You know, speaking of fast food, have you guys seen the new feature on the DoorDash app? Oh yeah, you can make it come even faster with a little extra money. Yes. I know. little extra money. Yes. I know. Twice. Twice it got me.

Twice. Every time I order. Twice. I'm just, so okay. What is another four bucks or something? Bro, okay, it's $2.99. Okay. So here's what's funny about this feature.

Okay. So ever since COVID, we use DoorDash a lot. By the way, can I say this real quick? But, I'd say sorry, 15% of time they messed up my order. Are you getting it that much as well? 15%? 10 to 15%. Oh yeah, I'd say one at a, we want it this one at a 10.

Yeah. That's so annoying. Yeah, they got to fix it anyway. Yeah. So, okay, so we use the app quite a bit. So I was like, I was privy to it as soon as they hit, right? So because we're on there damn near every day from DoorDash just about.

And I see it pop up there and I tell Katrina, look at this, this is crazy. I'm like, there's literally an ability to make it express. And it's like, it shapes five to 10 minutes off. It's not even a lot. So it gives you your time range for the normal order or express for $2.99 more. And I laughed and I was like, that's ridiculous.

Who would pay an extra $3? You did. No. I said that out I was like, that's ridiculous. Who would pay an extra $3? You did. No. I said that out of my mouth, like the day before, and then the next day, I caught myself being like, because you know why? I was already spending like $100 and something on like a, you know, a delivered meal for her.

That's my book. Yeah, it's three more dollars to make sure it gets here. So, and I was tired of the time before we had to put max down for bed. And I'm like, oh, if I do this, it might cut in that. So I was just like, oh, it got me. And it got me again. So, crazy at the psychology of that.

So, brilliant. I've done it quite a bit. And I've actually looked at the time. The real time, because the estimates will tell you like 10 to 15 minutes. So the range will be like 15 to 30 minutes. And then if you do the normal option, it's like 30 to 45 minutes. Yeah. But reality, it's like more like 20 minutes.

So if you actually cowl the time that it takes to get to your door versus how much it usually will, it's like a 20 minute saving, which how funny is that? It sounds, I mean, 20 minutes sounds like a lot because we're so used to shit that's instant. It's a lot of thing, right?

So what I think, okay, so I think the way they solve it, and what I actually think is really interesting is I think that they were actually addressing one of the, at least one of the biggest problems or one of the things that I was most frustrated with personally and I can't, I don't think I'm alone on this is a lot of door dash people will run multiple orders at once. That's exactly it. So I think if you do an express, it's a direct shot.

So they can't do a second order, which that to me is almost worth the extra $3 because one of the things, I hate worst of my order to be messed up, my order being freezing cold. By the time it gets there, and I see the guy going around. It's like he's literally not that far from my house. Oh, I'm definitely gonna eat your fries.

So that used to happen, but you know they made a thing now where they seal it. So that doesn't happen. Oh, okay. You guys not doing that very much? I'm not a door that No, never they don't come to your place. That's why huh? Yeah No, we're always looking for like ways to get out of the house

I think that's part of it and also you know, it's good way to keep my weight under control Now I know your life. I'm always looking for those my weight under control. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're lying. I'm always looking for those. Yeah. Those little hacks. Bro, I so, so I mean, that was like, I wanted to bring that up. But last night, this was not planned to even talk about this, but I was going through my finances.

And I just, you know, I try and do this every, I don't know, say six months to a year, just almost like, don't tell me how much it costs the or by food. Can you make me regret me out, right? Dude, so it's okay. So I mean, I, I, I believe that, I'm going to be able to do this every, I don't know, say six months to a year, just almost like. Don't tell me how much it costs the food. Can you make me regret me out, Ray? Dude, so, it's a lot, dude. So, I mean, I believe the same type of disciplines with our health is our financial health. I still, I believe the same thing too, like just tracking, becoming aware, right?

It's like, I understand how to manage my, I'm very good at saving, very good at investing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I still, but I still will recalibrate every six months to a year and just, just track, just to see what I'm doing. And holy fuck, the door dashing is in the thousands of dollars a month on top of what our normal grocery bill is.

And when I looked at like opportunity to like, easily save like a few thousand bucks here and are like, it's that for sure and it couldn't believe how high it was. I mean it was, I mean I hit like two thousand dollars in less than two weeks. And you just you could train it in your son. Yeah. I got three kids almost got a fourth one on the way. I know.

I look at mine. So, you know, I tell Jessica now or not tell, I mean we both work through this all time but we try to finish our butcher box box. And so, I tell Jessica now, or not tell, I mean, we both work through this all the time, but we try to finish our butcher box box, we try to finish food that we have before. We're the food and we save it for when convenience really needs to happen. So she's like, honey, I gotta go to this appointment,

I got this going on, I'm not gonna necessarily have time to cook or whatever, or we're really tired, but it can easily get away from you. Oh, it's gotten fully away from us, for sure. And, you know, in the just, the way I justified it is like, listen, I mean, that's half a wire, work hard, and make money. So I get that time back, right?

So that's the justification my head is like, oh, well, I'd have to go to the grocery store, then I have to prepare all this. Instead, I get to have someone deliver to me. So it's the convenience of it. So I play this game in my head of justifying why I should, should do that. But then, again, like anything else, it can get convenience of it. So I play this game in my head of justifying why I should do that. But then again, like anything else, it can get out of control.

And it absolutely has gotten out of control. And I was just telling her this, you know, now I'm like, we have to rain this in. It's just ridiculous. It's too much. Dude, speaking of, oh, I gotta ask you, Adam.

I just read a study on probiotics and skin health in particular, Sarai,iasis and eczema. Really? Yes. Are you using, you're gonna make me mad, I know it. Are you using seed regularly? I'm not, I'm not, so come on. I'm not even, bro, I'm not even good with,

with just being honest. I'm not even good with Dr. Kableh's protocol. I was so good for 30 days and saw a big difference and yet still use the seed so bad about the good thing. You know what it is about? I know what it is, you're honest, dude. It's because you don't have. It's because you don't have gut issues.

Because gut issues are obvious. No, you're right. And this is being honest. Because I use it every night, but I have gut issues. The thing is, I mean, married, have a kid, I'm like psoriasis is like, yeah. So it is, it bothers me a little bit, but it's not like debilitating, right?

It's more vanity. It's like, oh, it hates the way it looks, but it doesn't like really affect me, like your gut probably gets affected. And so, yeah, you're right, I'm less motivated to stay on top of it. If you use it regularly, how it affects your skin, because I just read a study that showed that

it definitely can help skin issues. It also, probiotics and also positively influence mental health. They actually have a study showing that it helps with depression and anxiety for some people. Because that got brain access. Yes. So, pretty great.

And seed is, by far, it's by far the best, I've never used a probe, and I've used a million different brands. It's by far, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what people I've heard that from? It's the best by far. Yeah.

Doesn't even come close. Well, let's get to know, because I was actually just approached one of my friends who coached the JV football team this year. His girlfriend has like, Sirice is trying to work through and was asking about, because we do some commercial of Caldara and some things and some interventions we've talked about

with like the red light and things like that. You know, what has the most impact with that? So it's like, it's interesting. Speaking of which, so I double checked on something that we learned about, so we didn't interview with the CEO from Organifi and one of their product developers. And they mentioned something that sounded so crazy to me. I definitely think they're honest people, but I went and looked it up just to make sure. I did not know this.

So glyphosate, these are the chemicals. These are the herbicides that they spray on GMO plants, right? So GMO plants are... Two kill weeds. They're genetically modified to not die if they get sprayed with glyphosates. So what they do is they grill corn and then they blast the whole field with glyphosates that kill the weeds, but the corn survives.

So this is the whole deal. And people always talk about, you know, well, the studies will show that glyphosates are probably not good for people. I did not know this. So they mentioned this. I looked it up. I had Doug write it down. I have it know this. So they mentioned this. I looked it up. I had Doug write it down.

I have written down in front of me here. United States patent 777-1736. If you looked that up, glyphosate were originally patented as an antibiotic, not an herbicide. That's wild. So we're literally blasting the earth, the soil, and then people are eating food with glyphosate residues, which are antibiotics.

But to make matters worse, I'm gonna make this even crap, everybody out there. Which by the way, we've now come full circle on those on antibiotics and know how terrible and how destroying they can be, it's not ideal at all. Well, they absolutely have to. Well, check this out. Glyphosate is oddly effective against lactobacillus

Bifidobacteria and Enturococcal species which are known as being beneficial bacteria for humans. It's also I'll sell like a joke to no Now here's the other parks. It's also an ineffective antibiotic against colostrinium, and both, excuse me, colostridium and salmonella. In other words, glyphosate killed good bacteria and don't kill bad bacteria quite as badly. And we're literally eating glyphosates

in the residues all the time. That's fucked up. Totally like hurt. Narcissly inside. I I would I think this is I mean, this I'm going to speculate, but all the food allergies and shit that is exploding all the autoimmune issues. I bet this is playing. There has to be a core.

It's got. So anyway, the reason why I bring this up is, uh, organifies one of the companies that not only are they organic, but they also go to another third party company that also tests their supplements for glyphosate residues. So something could be organic, but still have glyphosate residues, either from rain or cross contamination. Organified is organic plus they test for glyphosate residues.

So it's glyphosate residue free. Now, so do you know like the pathway for insecticidesosate residue. So it's glyphosate residue free. Now, so do you know, like the pathway for insecticides is a different chemical. Yes. Completely right. So what, like, are they testing in terms of like that prevalence in all kinds of other avenues as well? Is that showing up just as much as the herbicide? Yeah, so there's, there's, there's, there are studies that'll show that certain synthetic pesticides may have an effect, but, you know, remember DDT famously, which then they took off the market. But the herbicides work through something called the shikamati pathway, which is found in

bacteria. So it's found in plants, but also found in bacteria. And, yeah, it's not a big enough dose. You eat some like GMO food. You're not eating a big enough dose to have a huge effect. But every day, you have this little level. But we know that it's not a good idea to just constantly inundate your body with these antibiotics. So if it like has that same kind of an effect,

like that's got to be detrimental. That's right. And supplements can be very high in glyphosates because they're concentrated. So they'll take and make proteins or whatever and concentrate, and you may end up with high glyphosate residues. So, you know, it's just one of the ways you could reduce your exposure to these types of things.

Did you guys get the DM from the cricket farmer? Yeah. I did, yes. What happened there? Yeah, because we were having this whole business out of a cricket. Well, first of all, she was saying that we were spreading the conspiracy theories around the criticized. that there's the the glyphosate world economic forums kind of pushing us. Well, that the that

first of all that the glyphosates would get in the the crickets and the crickets have to be raised in this like organic fed organic safe like type of environment. And then that that's like a conspiracy theory that we're going to be forced to eat bugs, which by the way, the telling people that they're saying or talking about a conspiracy has become massive gaslighting. To the point where it's pretty fucking funny when we look back the last two years

on how many things were said. How many things are true? Where conspiracy theories that have now come true in the last two years are relevant. So now it's, yeah, you've completely lost the power of that word to say that to somebody Just like dude now if anyone says conspiracy. I'm listening now more Can you just go me listening now more consistent than things I've heard you know being passed as policy

The study I brought up talked about how insects are have high Prevalence of parasites that could be that was the dangerous alarm People yeah, it wasn't glyphosate. I said that. Oh, so I made the comment of like yeah have high prevalence of parasites. That could be dangerous for people. It wasn't glyphosate. I said that. So I made the comment of like, yeah, now they, how they controlling the bugs, potentially getting, so I made the comment of that.

And then so she's obviously addressing what I said, which whatever. Look, here's the ironic though. Did you know that she was inspired to go do that from our show. Back in 2017, we had we had, we had Thrive Market as a sponsor, and remember we all tried those cricket chips, and I was like, fuck this, I can't do this.

Remember that? I didn't think they were bad, they weren't good. Oh man, they were just, they messed with me. Just because it's a crunchy, it's crunchy, and it's supposed to be crickets. That just didn't work for me. I didn't care what they did. There's no like little legs or anything,

it wasn't like, you know. I think insect foods will do okay as processed foods because you can't tell if they're insects. I think insect foods as whole foods, so like we're always advocating for whole natural foods. That would mean you literally go to the floor. A shish kabab of like huge crickets or tarantulas. Listen, there's not gonna work.

No, there's gonna be a massive market for it because I imagine it's gonna be way cheaper to produce than it would be like a way or something. So, I mean, I love the idea of it hitting the market to fill a need for people that can't afford. We talk about high protein is so important for people to build muscle and to be healthy. And one of the complaints that people say is that it's expensive.

It's expensive to eat healthy and to buy steak and chicken and some of that. So I mean, I love it as an option for that. I mean, if you can't afford to get steak or chicken and some of that, then you can have some fucking chicken. What's the profile on like grubs? You know, like it was those big fatty, because I always watch these survival shows.

They're always like uncovering some bark, and there's these huge like grubs, and they're like, oh, these are so packed with grub. Look at the calories of grubs. Let's look at the macros. Yeah, I mean, they're one of the highest casting, but yeah, you'd think that, okay, if so if that's the case, I want to be gathering those and then smashing them down.

I'm sure they will. I mean, maybe crickets and then smashing them down. I'm sure they will. Yeah. I mean, maybe crickets reproduce at a faster rate. If you do. So that's probably why. So maybe that has a higher protein, but as far as how fast it reproduces in comparison to product market. So grub is 15% protein.

Okay. And 19% fat. It's actually a higher fat. Yeah. The protein is not that fat. Yeah. It's a little fat. I mean, I wonder why does you look that fat. Yeah, it's a little fat. I mean, I wonder why does you have any idea

why the crickets and not the grubs? I mean, that would be my speculation is that you can reproduce at a higher volume. Probably because I think you're right. I think as crickets, trying to sell grubs is probably harder, that's what I would think. Oh, you think so? I do.

Would you, what would you rather eat a bunch of grubs or crickets? It's equally disgusting. It looks juicely bite into the I'd rather you dead dry cricket than a dead grub. That's interesting to me because I don't I disagree. I think it's I think it's equally disgusting. It because you have like legs. Legs stuck in your teeth.

Oh, I'll show you that. Leg. I don't know. Squishy grubs like a gummy bear. Did you know? You guys just know this, the thing we talked about this once. If you're one of the best ways to clean a wound, that's like getting bad. So let maggots eat it.

They eat the dead, the dead necrotic tissue away and clean this shit up real good. I had a surgeon tell me that. I had an old surgeon. The guy was almost Ray retired. He's like World War I stuff. Yeah, he's like, you're ever getting infected or whatever. You let maggots eat at the wound, they'll clean that up real good for you.

Like what? Yeah, and is it true? Like I heard like originally for cuts and things they would use like glue, like some kind of like. Oh, my dad used to do that on a job. Yeah. Super glue. He sliced his finger like, oh, wide open from like a razor blade and then like super glue it close

It works. I did that one time. I'm just a wrap with duct tape for the day And then that's my dad was so much It was a fucking yes, bro. That's exactly what is like a saying My dad actually used to tell me this when I have a cut to be like put your hands in the dress for a minute Don't make it stop me I'm I have a cut and be like, put your hands in the dress for a minute, I don't make it stop bleeding. I went on those chemicals with my blood, bro. I know. What do you tell me, dad?

Oh, you don't much gasoline, I huffed. Dude, bro. Wait, why? Because he was driving it back in the truck. Oh, he was talking about this. When he was open, it was like a pure just chemical cloud that we would go into the basement. Between that, your CTE, right?

Yeah, okay, so I'm gonna talk about this. Like I'm concerned, I'm alarmed a little bit. Like I cannot stop like just like totally injuring my head. It's because your maybe your head's too high for your body. It's too big, is it like, I mean, you guys be honest with me here, because you do a big hit. Yeah, it's like, okay, so I was putting my trash out and this is before the party and everything.

And I have this shed that slopes down. And so the back of it's sloped down. I'm putting something right behind it. I'm down on the ground and then I go to stand back up and I stand back up and I hit the top of my head right on the two by four. Like with so much force, it stunned me. I saw stars, I fell right on the 2x4, like with so much force, it stunned me. I fell on the ground.

I was laying the ground for like five minutes by myself. Now try and come inside and explain what happened with any kind of like, I was like so out of it and they're like, what's wrong with you? And I'm like, you have to really explain what just happened because I just like hurt myself. Bro didn't a year ago you fall after you fell off your snowboard and blast yourself. Yeah that was like near Z. That was right before 2021. Okay so it's right before you start wearing a helmet. Everything just went to hell. Yeah right. You know what it is. I'll tell you what the problem is. I'm gonna go away to the only game. By about one day. Oh, man.

I'll tell you what the problem is, dude. You're too rough. You do everything. You take zero repotions. You do everything rough. Yeah, and my son, like I see it completely, like the pattern is continuing. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he a toy and then, you know, there's the ledge of the counter or something just bam. And I'm like, dude, do you just got to go slow and gentle?

I'm like, I'm like, literally, you don't have that here. You're resonating to me. So, yeah, my brother, so my brother was like that too when he was little. He would climb shit, like the most dangerous scary stuff. It was like he had no, either no fear or no comprehension of fear. And so he would always scare the shit out of my mom. Knocked his teeth out once and, another time, I think he was three.

He climbed, we had, you know, I grew up in a two-story house. He climbed the outside of the stairs and was standing on the outside where the, like the banister is. And he couldn't figure out how to get back on the right side. So he's like, almost, if he fell, he would have died. And then he's like, mom, mom, after like 10 minutes, he's like, what?

She walks over, he's like, I can't get down. She's like, don't move. So that's my brother, right? So now we both have sons. Now, oh, I'm the opposite. You guys know me, I'm very cautious. I don't like, I'm not gonna do nothing scary, dangerous, or whatever.

Unless that involves taking crazy supplement concoctions, I usually don't take big risks. And I was like that as a kid too. My son is just like me and his son is just like him. So his son, well, like if you don't keep an eye on him, you were just telling me he was doing something all right, I'm like, damn, he's way younger than Max. Max wouldn't even do that.

He will climb and jump and you gotta keep an eye on his kid. And it's just like my brother, he's such a twin. Like super happy, smiles laughs, just like my brother did. Also, keep an eye on his kid. And he's just like my brother. He's such a twin, like super happy smiles laughs, just like my brother did. Also, keep an eye on him, because if you keep taking your eyes off him for a minute, he's gonna do some shit. My son, Aralius, like he won't,

he'll, you know how he goes down the stairs? He just started now doing it a little bit better, but he'll literally sit down, like five feet away from the stairs and slide. So he gets the stairs, he can slide down. Just just because like what's he doing like that's my son Tell us safe we never have to worry about it falling down, dude. I've like max is that way too He's super cautious like he's like he's not and which is I can't remember I had to ask my mom on how much of a risk Take her I was at really at a really young age. I know I I was

Like a late bloomer so I know I was like a late bloomer. So I know I got into probably stuff like that later. He's definitely liked that right now. And as I'm watching him, I'm always trying to think, okay, what are the positives of this and what are the negatives? Like how am I as a dad? Am I really going to have to encourage and push him to take risks and do things like that or hold him back?

And I'm trying, or is he gonna be so different than this and I'm like, I shouldn't even be paying attention. But I feel like you can tell, you can tell your brother was gonna be that way at a very young age. I feel like you can see it in a kid and you can tell your son is just like that. Ever it was just like you.

You can see the way he does everything. You know what's interesting though? Is I did take big risks with cars and other things. It was certain things. I don't know how much it carried over. Well, see, I wonder if big risks with like cars and like other things. It was certain things. So I don't know how much it carry. Well, yeah, I wonder if you were more like me where we just kind of like late bloomers that like the wrist stuff came for me like in my teenage years like as a young kid. Well, I know you're right.

But I mean, when I think about the cars and snowboarding and the things that I did, I did a lot of that stuff as I got older. It wasn't just it's's gonna be 80 years old. It's been doing some stupid shit, Rick. What are you doing, bro? Broke it up the snow will be a man. Broke my arm twice in the same year, dude. Like I've done some shit.

And of course, like, so ever I've taken him to the hospital, at least like four or five times. So, you know, he's already put us through all that. Dude, yeah, I've never had stitches. I've never had a broken bone. That's the two. Why? I've had a couple stitches.

No broken bones. No stitches, some ligaments. I tore ligaments, which are like freak accents. Right? I had a guy playing basketball, I fell on my knee. That's how I tore my ACL and MCL. And then I blew the Achilles just running up the court. So my major injuries were not doing crazy.

Rest of, now I've been knocked out before wakeboarding. So that got me, but I had never broke. You're at stitches, huh? No, no stitches, no, bro. I got stitches once on my head. Yeah. I was trying to do karate move off the top of the off the bookshelf. Didn't we all think we knew karate after watching credit. Dude, it wasn't just karate kid. It was old Kung Fu movie. Yeah. And Bruce Lee. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely tried to be Bruce Lee. The most stupid. Yeah, those stupid movies got me so much trouble because like one time my cousin and I thought, this was our math, we did this math.

Like your eight and I made, that means we could take a 16 year old together. So we said you math like that. And then we knew Kung Fu moves because we watched the movies and we'd go and talk shit to older kids. Yeah, it causes trouble. And you find like the big oversized gloves

and just beat the shit out of each other. Yeah, that's bad. All right, speaking of the speaking of the brain, study came out on pornography's effect on the brain. It actually rew... So all of the characteristics of something that will, the addictive substances that model the brain. So drugs tend to model the brain or change the way the brain's wired because of the high dopamine that you get from it. And the low amount of work or the little amount of work that you need to do to produce that dopamine. So with the drug, you take a drug, boom, big dopamine boost.

And we're starting to realize now that dopamine isn't necessarily the bad thing. It's the fact that there was no hard work leading up to it. So there's no balance and it creates this. Right. So now, are we talking about that in terms of relationships, like how that's affected or like just the association with sex? Well, I'm going to pull it up. It's addictive. It's addictive and it rewires the brain to a more juvenile state.

So literally changes the brain so that it looks more like the brain of a more juvenile state. So literally changes the brain so that it looks more like the brain of a younger person. More, you're more apt to take stupid risks. You're less logical. You're going to be more impulsive. It's pretty crazy. It creates sexual dysfunction. Marital quality starts to decline with lots of pornography use, but really they're finding now that the hyper stimulating effects of it damage the dopamine reward system. And it leaves it unresponsive to natural sources of pleasure, which is pretty wild. So it's, it's, and this is, look, they're showing that people who consume lots of pornography report greater, greater depressions lower, lower quality life, mental health.

So question for you guys, because you both, you have a boy that's a full-blown teenager, and then Justin, you have one entering with Ethan. Is this a conversation? Do you share these studies with him? Do you guys talk about it? How do you talk about it?

Is it, so the conversation I've had with my kids, because I know that it's going to be impossible for me to prevent them from having this kind of exposure. It's just so accessible everywhere. Right. So my conversation, well, with my son was exactly that. How it affects the brain? How it changes how your brain responds to a rousal?

How it'll make it harder for you to become excited and rouse around a real girl, how it distorts your views around sex and relationships. And I think that his generation is actually starting to figure it out because they're developing like the, you know, no fat or, you know, no fat November or whatever, that's all internet created. Young man saying, I'm gonna avoid pornography because I'm noticing these negative effects myself, which is kind of interesting. Yeah, yeah, pretty interesting. What about you, Justin?

You guys have, you guys talked about that a few, yeah, a few talks. And mainly it was like, we're starting to realize that he's like in that frame of mind where he has that kind of access. I think he's just realizing it. And like, I know he's like starting to get real interesting girls. And like that's, you know, like he's mentioning things to me. And I'm like, okay, so we got to have this talk because it is like, it's, I'm not going to, and originally I was trying to like screen a lot of what he could have

access to. And I thought that maybe that's sort of the we could like sort of drip the the introduction of all these things because they do have cool software out there now that you can kind of monitor a far you can like describe like so I can I can have it so it allows like swimsuits it allows like you know, it allows like, you know, some kind of like a skin or you could do like none of that. So like just it doesn't even, it'll block certain websites and access to these things. So I was like originally kind of like, you know what? Like it's, they're at school, their friends, like everybody's, this is sort of the world we live in. It's just better to teach kind of navigate through all that.

And so we are kind of talking our way through just like how to, I'm having more conversations with him about girls in terms of like how to approach them, how to have these conversations, like just like get to know them and like, you know, kind of court and date girls because he just, he's still trying to figure that part out. Yeah. It's like versus now I'm competing with, with like half naked girls in Instagram and all the other stuff. Now you guys don't even, he's not, is he on Instagram yet?

Or no. So he, you still won't love. Now when you're going to do that, you know? Um, that's a good question because for the most part, I'm, I'm trying my best to kind of like educate him around what kind of detriment's surrounded. I mean, is he asking for it on a regular basis? Yeah, or no, originally he was and he wanted more TikTok.

Like Snapchat. Oh, Snapchat. Yeah, we've already talked our way through TikTok. So he's kind of on board with not doing that one, which is good. But like, there's a couple other ones that are out there that are a little less, it's more just like kind of chatting with the friends and less on like the pictures and the videos and all that stuff. Yeah.

But I have no idea. I mean, he's going to When it when it becomes I think Maybe when he gets more into high school that's gonna be more of a thing It's like a status thing like I have my Instagram account and all that and we'll kind of work our way through that when it presents itself Yeah, yeah, but it's not like he isn't he's not super urgent to have it I'm like cool. Yeah, I'm telling you the the reason because this easy ease of access to pornography Is it relatively recent and and they and the studies are just now coming out showing it's negative effects.

It's wild. It's got classic drug symptoms, classic. Like if you use a drug that has addictive properties, you'll find that you need more and more of it to elicit a similar result. Pornography, so these people who study it are showing that conventional pornography is not popular. It's getting more and more violent, more and more extreme.

In order to capture, it's only way you can go to get that same hit. Getting capture people's attention, and they're speculating that this may lead to more violence and more and violent sexual encounters. As people find that less and less of this is actually giving me what I want, then they go and search for it in the real world.

It's kind of weird. It is something that I think needs to be discussed because we've never been encountered with. We've never encountered anything like this. Didn't they have a similar study about depression with social media recently? Yeah, so that was one that we referred to. I talked about that, you know,

to kind of present that to Ethan. But yeah, this is another great one. I will definitely have a conversation with him surrounding that because it's a, it's very much an issue that's going to become like, how are we going to get a hold of this? Yeah, you know, I try and, I try and think about like what I, what I, what I would have done as a teenage boy, if my parents told me I couldn't have Instagram, or be on those platforms, like whether I would sneak around, create a profile that doesn't have my face and name on it

and my, I feel like that's what I would do. Like I would probably get on there still, but then I would use a fake name, I would use a fake picture, all my homies at school, you know, and the girls I like to talk to, they wouldn't know who I am, and it would be like our inside secret. Yo, my parents don't let me get on these platforms,

and so this is how I do it, and I think that there's probably, or you have like what Inzo told me about, which is like you have the front, which so your parents know about, you're real name, all your stuff, and it's like you never really use it, but it's there, so your parents think, oh, look your real name, all your stuff, and it's like you never really use it, but it's there so your parents think,

oh look, he doesn't really do it in there. They're monitoring that one, why they have a ghost account. You have your ghost account that you're really doing it. I think that, but I think that was all inzo's generation. And what I hope, I hope you're both right, that like Ethan's generation and average generation

and Max and A Arilius, they're them coming up that the pendulum will swing the other way where they'll become wise, like hey, you know, yeah, we can have access to all this stuff, but it could lead to this, it could lead to that. So maybe they'll titrate themselves, I don't know. You know what, there's data on binge drinking. So alcohol binge drinking and kids who give them

those alcohol poisoning, you have to go to the hospital or whatever. And they find that kids that grow up in households where alcohol is severely restricted and demonized are more likely they'll go in excess. Yes, versus kids that grow up with like wine in the house. And oh, I had it a little bit of here with my dad. I would not like this big alcohol issue, but where it's, and they know how to handle it better because they've grown up with it more.

So my approach is trying to be more like that where I'm like, okay, here's a deal, here's what's out there. Here are the pros and cons, and here's why you need to develop some discipline around this kind of stuff, because I feel like the other option is impossible. I don't see how you can,

unless you go move into an omniscience, you know. Well, I think that's, I mean, unless you go move into an omniscient, you know. Well, I think that's, I mean, I think it goes back to what I think is, the general principle, which is just, your kids, it's less about what you say to them and tell them it's more about what you show them. So how does dad handle alcohol?

How does dad handle social media? How does dad do those things? And that's, in my opinion, probably the best way to probably get them to titrate themself because if you, like you said, if you completely restrict or say you can't, and then yet I have one, right? I have the account and I say you can't have it,

or I say never can you touch alcohol, yet I drink every day, like that would be, I could see a kid completely rebelling in both those situations. So I think the answer is to show them more that it is. Well, think about your bad experiences with alcohol. It was all when you were young and you didn't know really how to handle it or what was an appropriate amount or how you would feel or whatever.

Until you get older. Too much too fast. Yeah, you would just, you would consume it. And then it would, man, you would pay for it. But sometimes you'd learn the lesson from, you're having to pay for it so bad. Sometimes you wouldn't, you just repeat the same mistakes. But yeah, to that point, I'm in terms of me using my phone.

And I'm always conscious of that. I'm like, they're watching me. They're watching me on, like, yeah, I'm doing work, whatever I can justify. But they're watching me with the phone. And I'm like, I'm just modeling this. So I have to watch myself. Right.

And then also, it's like, I want to out-compete it. So now that things have kind of slowed down in terms of me helping football or doing these other things, like, I'm like, let's get out there, let's ride bikes, let's go for these hikes and play sports and whatnot, but just do things in the world. The world. Be here.

Like, anything we can do to be here. You know, speaking of social media stuff, I bring up to you guys the whole Mr. Beast thing and he just opened a fund and he raised, did you see that? What's going on? With like a $1.8 billion valuation. What is it?

Yeah, so he opened his own, basically his own fund, right, to fund him. So, and I think he took, I don't know how many, 100 something million, maybe Doug can fact check me real quick. Mr. Beast, $1.2 billion valuation or raises money. I'm sure that'll pop up. What was he raising money for? Just to basically fund all the projects

and stuff that he wants to do. So, literally people just gave him money? Yes, like I said, a $1.0 billion valuation. He got offered a billion dollars for his channel and basically laughed him out the door. And I actually heard, I think it was, I think, I'm sure it's, yeah, over time. Way more, way more.

I actually heard Pat just, my David do a really cool breakdown of, he's like, he picked his number one video that has gone by with 250 million or something like that. He broke down how much a commercial is for the Super Bowl, which is like a million some dollars for 30 seconds for like one million, like I think a hundred million views or something is what the Super Bowl gets.

So he says just based off of that math, he goes that one, that one viral thing is worth like 800 something like million dollars, something crazy. He's like, that's one of one video. Imagine all his videos, what is it? 150 million dollar investment. Yeah, on a what, 1.5 billion dollar? I believe so.

Yes, yeah. Wow, crazy, right? I mean, that's the future. So this is the future. So this is why I bring it up, is like this is the future right here. You have somebody who, these are the future media moguls.

Yes. I mean, the power that he has and the fact that that there's that many people that are willing to throw that much that that much money at him is is unbelievable. Have you ever heard him tell he when Joe Rogan interviewed him? No. Yeah. So like he's like super conservative with his money and everything. Like doesn't even have a fancy car. Lives in like a regular old track home. Yeah. yeah. Just like, he just uses them a lot of it. He just dumps it right back in these videos and these ideas and he's just like, it's amazing to me to see what he's created

just by really just meticulously going through what makes videos better and like getting feedback and like tweaking things and like, he's just a master of his craft. Yeah, that's interesting. That's the future, man. It has changed so much in such a short time. We're probably, I mean, how long do you think

it's gonna take before? Less than 10 years. Old media's gone. Less than 10 years. I think, yeah, yeah, I really think, for example, it's around the corner that your big companies like the Pepsi's and Coke's and stuff like that are gonna spend less and less

money on Super Bowl commercials and being in the middle of like the biggest sitcom or what about that. And it's gonna be find someone like this and you know and and pay them huge money to represent the company. I think that's gonna become as powerful or more powerful than Michael Jordan's or your big athletes. Now let me ask you this because you got to got like Mr. Beast, right? And so what's a big like Coca-Cola sponsorship typically?

20 million, 30 million? Oh, do you get from a brand? Yeah, so let's say Coke, Sponsors, and Athlete. What's a big? Well, look up what a Haines Pays Michael Jordan, or look up like something like that will give us an idea of what, you're trying to figure out what a brand would pay like a huge, super athlete. Yeah, I yeah, how much does Haynes pay Michael Jordan tell me what what that number is?

Yeah, I don't know what it is. I would imagine that's probably good guess. What is it? $480 million between 2000 and 2012 So 12 years so for a divided by 12. What is it's I mean? You're right on, that's about 20 million years. 10 to 20 million a year, did you? No, no, more like 40. 40, yeah. 40 million. So, okay, so now imagine a company going to mention

that Mr. Beast and saying, we'll pay you, I don't know, $30 million for a year to advertise with us. Mr. Beast could make way more than that, making his own soda and putting it out. He's already proven stuff like that. So I wonder if, I mean, it's the same, it's the same, we make the same decision with doing sponsorships.

We could technically go make, you know, Oli Pop. We could technically go make the hemp oil. We could technically go do all that stuff, but at one point, when do you recognize that building a business like that is a lot of stress? No, I don't think he's gonna build it. What I mean is, I wonder if it's gonna get so competitive that these companies start to pay flat rate plus a percentage

or plus, because it's gonna be very competitive and these guys convert way higher rates. Well, I imagine he'll do what we're doing. I mean, I don't know too many people that are doing what we're doing where now when we partner with a company, we actually invest in the company where someone like him, it would be smart to get, so let's say something, we have 10 companies right now

that we're sponsored by and we also are investors in the company, right? You gotta think that those companies in the future would go to him and be like, we actually put capital into these companies, right? We had to put our money in there. We're not quite Mr. Beast type of power, but someone of his power, it'd be worth for me to give him shares.

Like, dude, I've got this company, I'm on my second round of funding, we're gonna be doing it. We're gonna name the whole brand after you. Yeah, I'm gonna give you 5% of my company. Total. Just co-sign it. That's what I mean.

I wonder if it's gonna start to change. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because these guys, companies offering them that. Cause these, quote unquote, new media influencers, they have way higher conversion rates than the old school media people

because they have their own networks, their own channels. They have their own, does that. Well, there's nothing more powerful than a referral to a business than a friend. That's the most trusted source, better than any advertising you do. When you own these platforms, when you have a podcast, when you have a YouTube channel,

you build a relationship with your audience. Yeah, exactly. So it is the same thing as like, you know, you tell your best friend, like, you go check out this burger joint. It's the shit. And so if you build a loyal audience and you, and you build trust with your people, then when you point in the direction of a brand, that's what I mean. Like I I think I think mr. Beast could sell more like Haynes than Michael Jordan perhaps because he's got his own all right I 100% agree with that so that's what I mean I bet you the future is gonna look quite interesting with oh yeah it I mean to me this is just showing the big this is just the tip of the iceberg you know this is exactly where this is heading and he's the first massive one that's gonna get like I mean he's gonna be

a he's he's gonna be a billionaire before you know it and that's the first massive one that's gonna get like I mean he's gonna be a he's gonna be a billionaire before you know it and that's to think that this dude turned himself into a billion. Yeah when did he first start posting on social on YouTube 10 plus years Andrew you probably the best guess okay so over 10 years now wow okay yeah I think he. But I don't think I think the majority of the money start happening last five years. Wasn't like he was crushing that whole time. That's a good question. I don't know. I mean, he's it's just come in compounding, right? I mean, now he has, how many channels? Yeah. Because we get like million dollar budgets for some of these videos that he'll make like the one that he did for was that big one that was the show that was like super popular

or it was like a game. Oh, Squid Game. Squid Game. Yeah, that was one of his biggest ones with the big ones. Yeah, he talked about just how much money went into production. Well, speaking of social media people and influence stuff like this, this is, this is, you were on point with this atom. So Jake Paul, right?

He beat Anderson Silva unanimously. Yeah. Now, forget the fact that Anderson Silva's 47, whatever, he's a legit fighter. Jake Paul can very well become one of the highest paid boxers of all time. I mean, he's kind of stuff. He's got to be already creeping up there, isn't he? I mean, I don't know what. That's crazy. Yeah, I'm, I'm just crazy.

I mean, I'm all for it. He's not a boxer, because I think I think it's really interesting to see it's getting all shaken up, right? Like, I'm not against him. He's not a boxer, you know what I mean? I think it's really interesting to see it's getting all shaken up, right? Like I'm not against somebody like forcing him not to. People pay, they choose to watch it, you know what I'm saying? But God of be, that would just crush me if I was a professional fighter.

You know what I'm saying? I've been, since I was a kid, like grinding in the gym and like trying to get good at my craft and like, you know, taking knockout after knockout to climb the ladder that hard way and then you see this dude who now, obviously none of that would have been possible had he not built the network that he has. And he's no one would give a shit if he was a nobody. Yeah.

And he's training for reels and he's fighting for reels. So, you know, I see it happening all over now. I mean, I see people in our space, fitness space, fighting I mean I see I see it happening all over now. I mean I see People in our space fitness space Fighting each other and that's like the new way to network is find somebody else Who's got a massive following? I mean that's how his brother and KSI did it originally You know they he's a huge youtuber in I think London or somewhere like that right and and he decided that he has millions of followers The Paul brothers have millions of followers. Hey, let's fight each other.

You're like, cause a good portion of your audience doesn't know me. And I don't, my don't know yours. And so instantly they cross over two to four million people and then like double their growth right away. I mean, that's kind of like the thing now. I feel like you're seeing that in a lot of spaces. Now, what do you call,

call someone out and fight them? Well, I mean, what do you do if you're a boxing promoter or like Dana White? And you see this, because it's money, but Dana White's a bit of a purist, right? He likes to fight sport, whatever, but at some point, this gets loud enough to where he's gonna have to consider doing something like this. Yeah, not really. I think both will kiss.

It's still a bit of a circus. It is. Okay, so, I mean, remember, remember, I mean, it's a pop quiz. Remember MMA in Japan, pride, which beat Well, I mean, remember, remember, I mean, it's a pop quiz. Remember MMA in Japan, pride, which beat the shit out of UFC back in the day. Pride had an element of this. So there wasn't like all the fights,

but everyone's widely thrown a fight that was kind of like weird and I think. Yeah, well, let's speculate on how this unfolds. I think, and I did think this was gonna happen, but I also think that it's gonna get oversaturated. I think we're watching that happen right now. As everybody loses novelty. It is gonna lose its novelty.

And when most people look back and like, oh, I watched 20 of these Influenza fights and 19 of them were absolutely trash and one of them I caught like a cool knockout. You're gonna start going like, okay, I'm gonna stop wasting my money on some of this shit. And it doesn't mean that there still won't be certain people that do like, and one, the other thing that Jake Paul is good about is like he's great at talking shit and caught like making you like you want to see. He plays the heel.

Which has been a part of the fight game for a long time. Right. He plays the heel really well. And so, half the people are paying just to see his ass kicked. And he keeps winning, so it's brilliant. So everyone's just like, oh, this is going to be the one. I mean, it's too much a bridge between the like wrestling professional wrestling and regular, you know, professional sports. So it's like, it's interesting because you're never going to see the WWE go away. People like are into that. They're into the narrative behind it. Like who's doing what? They're more into the story of what's going on

versus the actual matches. That's a good example, Justin. I actually think that's exactly how they're gonna co-exist. You're gonna have people that are purest, that care about the fight game, that care about the sport, that are gonna continue to watch it, that they're gonna be totally... That's a good point because this is gonna be like

the WWE of boxing. I agree. I actually think that's a great I think that's a great speculation because I remember which by the way the WWE is a bad show in the street and I remember it was huge, huge, funny. And I remember when when there was a period there where it was like a secret not really a secret it was like an open secret that it was scripted the fights were scripted. Oh yeah. And then it came out and it became a thing and it didn't hurt them at all. At all. Yeah, no, because they're like, keep going.

Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that's a good speculation. So you probably will see, you know, two things. Blah! Hey, look, you're not where you eat, you're what you're digested.

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First question is from Mato, Sibli, when bulking does the total amount of calories consume matter more than the grams of protein? Oh, I hate these questions. Yeah, because they're equally important. But it depends. Okay. So if you're eating protein is essential, meaning you have to have a certain amount in order to just thrive and survive. So if you're eating, you know, adequate protein, then calories are actually more important because you can have a high protein diet,

but your calories will be too low and you're not going to be building the muscle. You can also eat a low protein diet so long as protein is adequate, have calories be high and build muscle. Now you're not going to build as much muscle as somebody who eats high enough calories plus high protein. That's ideal. The part that makes this question hard to answer is adequate. And what is adequate for you?

Like, if I ate individual variants, if I ate 40 grams of protein a day and tried to build muscle on that, even in a calorie surplus, I'm not building muscle. Well, 40 grams of protein a day is not enough to support that for me, even in a calorie surplus, I'm not building muscle. Well, 40 grams of protein a day is not enough to support that for me, even in a caloric surplus. Now, if I hate somewhere like around 130, which is still not ideal, which is not still towards the upper limit or where I get the most muscle from it,

I could probably build some muscle on that, so long as I'm in a calorie surplus. So it's like, how does someone judge what's adequate for them? Well, you know, so this is an argument that vegans make all the time. So they'll show like, yeah, that's not as much as needed as necessary. Right. And they'll need it. It is needed, because it's essential, but they'll say something like, you know, I eat 50 grams or 60 grams of protein a day, and I've built, you know, so much muscle. So essential protein is what I'm talking about, like enough to cover your basics. And that case calories are more important.

If you don't get the essential protein, you can do all the calories you want. If you're not getting enough of the essential amino acids you need from food, you're not gonna survive, forget building muscle, you won't survive. You won't survive, right? But if someone's eating in a bulk, they're probably getting enough protein, usually,

not always, but usually. So, you know, when you're, when, in that particular context, you know, enough protein versus, you know, enough protein in high calorie versus high protein, but not enough calorie, well, not enough calories, just means you don't have enough energy. So you can eat, you know, 200 grams of protein a day, but if your calories are too low, nothing's gonna happen.

Your body's not gonna build in the muscle because your calories are low. Have you guys ever witnessed a very wide range of how people respond this way, meaning like, I've seen clients that eat very low protein or moderate protein, but you build muscle, they respond. Their diet isn't even that great. They're just slightly in a surplus of calories,

hitting weights, and the body just, boop boop boop boop boop. Looks like it packs on muscle. Then I've seen other people that could be dialed in, and it's like slow, gradual, build a little bit of muscle, fresh plateau, hard forever, take five steps back. If they miss two days, two days of not hitting their protein and taking calorie intake, and then they go back

the other direction. Like so I also think there's this massive variance of like how people respond to weightlifting too. And so my answer, if this was a client of mine, is like, don't miss either one. Right, yeah. If you really, if the goal is, you wanna build muscle, and that's a major focus, and let's say you're having

a hard time and your question to me is, which one's more important? Well, they're both really important to you because you're struggling with building muscle and we haven't been able to consistently do that. If you are missing your protein intake and you're not seeing results, but you're in a calorie surplus, well then maybe you're one of those people

that gotta have a higher protein intake to see the response that you need to see. So, the part that's obvious is that protein has calories too. So I haven't hit my calorie targets and I haven't hit my protein targets. What should I go for first? Well, both because protein also has calories. So if you go out and get the protein,

you'll get more calories as well. And in that case, I would say if your calories are low and you need more protein, then get it from whole natural sources like fatty meat. You're gonna get the protein, plus you're gonna get a lot of extra calories from the fats that'll help you hit both of them. So the reason why I don't like a question like this because it's, you know, when this happens, this happens when I would work with someone. Let's say I'm working with a woman and the goal protein intake for is 120 grams and. And she's at 100. But her

calories are high enough to where she's in surplus. And she says, should I eat the extra protein? And I say, well, we don't want to gain too much extra body fat. Your surplus is already pretty high. Let's keep it where you're at. Like that's where I can see the conversation become a thing. Okay. So agreed. But I would also go back and I would critique what she ate for the end. Of course. Yeah. Okay, so agreed, but I would also go back and I would critique what she ate for the day. Of course. Exactly.

Exactly. So for the day, I'd be like, yeah, that's a great example to bring up, Sal, because I have been faced with that exact question from a client of mine. And I said, no, no, no, don't need more. We're fine. But let me look at your day. And then I go like, see where you had this in this. You should eat this instead.

And I will steer her into making more protein dense choices for the day versus carb heavy which she ended up doing because that's what put her over the calories. Totally. And said, hey, it's not one day this low, not a big deal, but we want to consistently tar that. So that's a very good point. And in that context, I would not go, oh, just eat more protein because you need it too because you've already gone over on the surplus of calories.

But I will say I would go, okay, well, then we need to rethink what you're choosing to eat all day because you're going over your calories, but you're not able to get your protein in take and we want to be able to do that. Next question is from preacher man Joe. Can you use zircher squats to build muscle or is it a performance component in map performance? Zircher squats are one of those exercises. It's underutilized because it's hard. It takes time to learn.

It's uncomfortable at first, especially at first, right? And it doesn't have a current history in hypertrophy training or bodybuilding training. If you see someone doing a Zurcher squat, they're probably a strong man. Maybe a power lifter, maybe a functional kind of person. Zurcher squats are great muscle builders. maybe a power lifter, maybe a functional kind of or a career or something. But searchersquats are great muscle builders. They work the posture your chain very well because of the placement of the bar

and it makes you lean forward a little bit. And they really develop, it develops the upper back because it creates this upper back scapula rounding lifting position where your scapula is somewhat rolled forward. So not a rounded back like your low back is rounded, but rather than your shoulder blades being pinned back, they're kind of rolled forward, it's called rounded back lifting. And it's going to develop the muscles in a different way or provide a different stimulus.

So I noticed when I do zircher squats, I build my arms and my upper back and my hips really well from doing them when I practice them on a regular basis. Well, they're asking if they get any hypertrophy benefit from it. Yeah, or is it just performance? Yeah, these annoy me because it's like, you're in it for getting strong. Like let all that happen on it's own. Like, why is everything you have to be about,

like how it pumps your muscles up. These are shit. So with us, care how we look, bro. Okay, yeah, okay. You have to fuck up. You can do that with the other ones that promote that. That's right. To build strength.

And it definitely fits within like an area you wouldn't, you wouldn't, you know, be very focused on otherwise and having that sort of placement of load to where it does translate a lot towards most things. You're going to pick up. You're going to be in this kind of round of back position with any kind of a heavy bucket, a heavy sandbag, a heavy, whatever it is, that's like right in front of you that you need to pick up from point A to point B.

So it's gonna make you overall stronger, which is then something you can build upon from there, but to just really focus it into hypertrophy, I think it's just stupid. I mean, you will, though. One of the biggest variables that you can manipulate in order to stimulate muscle growth is novelty. And that is a very novel exercise.

It feels very unique. Yeah, picking exercise at similar to a surgery. There just isn't. Yeah. You know, so you will build muscle. You how you will have hypertrophy from it. What how this is what happens with the camps of, you know, the hypertrophy guys, you guys that have hypertrophy in their your Instagram name or whatever, and they talk all about muscle building, pumping, and they compare exercise.

I should about slid or talk about deadlifting, like deadlifts on a great exercise for back hypertrophy, like get the fuck out of here. You kidding me? Some of the best backs I've ever seen are guys that could deadlift serious weight. So no, I mean, it absolutely will do that. And then on top of that, I really liked them, cause it was something that was introduced to me

way later in my lifting career. It's probably the closest thing to me that emulates me picking up a couch. You know, or something heavy up off the ground, keep it close to your body. Yeah, you kind of kind of rounded forward like that. Like that, that is more like that movement than a barbell back squat, which I love too. So I mean, I find that exercise, you know, you get really strong, tough doing that. Watch how that carries over to other things that you do in your life.

So, but yeah, absolutely you can build muscle with zertrish cool. Yeah, I got gains from it. And I did them regularly for a little while there because they're in map strong. So because it's one of the, it's one of the, it's programmed in map strong. And I got like back and glued. I could feel my back and my glutes building from it. It's actually a great, let people know this. It's a a great, let people know this, it's a decent glute exercise. In fact, it's surprising that more women don't do it. I think it's because it's kind of like relegated to that.

Functional strength. It's incredible too. I mean, in the career elbow and all that. Well, there's a way to do it. It's always like really hard things. It just makes me feel like I have to struggle. There's a lot more struggle with an exercise like that than just the comfort of something nice

like sitting on your back. Well, to piggyback off what you just had saw, it's physics. It's because you have the barbell play, like normally the barbell be here on your back, your barbell is over here, so it's wanting to tip you forward this way. You're gonna activate that move.

When you slide the hips back into a squat, it's the glutes that move the hips forward to lift you up. And so literally the barbell is opposing the glutes. So I do think it's a great glute developer. And like one of those hidden secrets as far as like training that for that reason. And I just to not do an exercise because you think there's a this you know, I'm going to say gonna say this to yes it is uncomfortable and the crook in the in the crook of your elbow but barbell squats when they weren't popular one of the biggest complaints people would make is it hurts my back and my neck yeah because you have to learn how to place the bar now

people who's a lot of curve yeah like I could put 600 pounds I can't even squat 600 but I got arrested on my back quite comfortably because I know how to position it. When you practice a zircher squat, it takes some time to figure out how to really position your arms, hold them in position, and it not hurt your elbow. So it's an exercise that takes practice.

It's uncomfortable at first, just like a back squat was, probably for your back when you first started. I mean, I get the same thing with kettle bells and pressing, like just with the weight on the back of the arm like So annoying just fucking tough it out Next question is from Luca Curran Do you think people can lift more weight if they don't know how heavy the weight is?

Does knowing a certain weight as heavy make you perform better or worse? Did you bring didn't you bring that story up? There was a real story where a guy put more than his max on for an event, right? So Olympic lifter, maybe Doug can find it. Where they, and it's been, this has happened in power to think too, where they'll miss load a bar or put more on that the lifter knows.

And they'll think that they hit the world record or they're close to it, but they actually broke it. There's some science behind this. Now I would surmise that this could go with both rounds with me. Killa, oh, that's why I live with Killa Grans, because it's like, you'll do more. Because you can't do the math.

And nobody want to do it. Justin's like, that's too much math for me. It looks like less. Yeah, it looks like this. Put some green and red ones on. Yeah, the green, the red, the blue. You know, but I would surmise this could potentially go both ways. Like, I, oh yeah, I think so too.

Yeah, because I tend to, I tend to not be, heavier weights tend to jazz me up more than, make me feel intimidated. I'm trying to think what exercise. There are some exercise. No, I agree with that. So I actually used to do this a lot with like female clients in mind that didn't want to like really lift heavy. I'd say you stop worrying about the way it let me worry about that.

I know how strong you are and stuff like that. Because if I, if I, if I, if they saw, I told them, I'm putting on 50 more pounds this week, they'd be like, oh, I don't do that. Whereas I said psychological, don't worry about, it's my job to worry about the way you just focus on what I've taught you form wise. I used to cover the dumbbells.

Yeah, I'd tell them, I would tell them afterwards and I'd be like, you know that you know what you just did and they'd be like, what will we do? And I'd be like, we just increased our weight by 25. I used to do that all the time. What? Yes. All the time. You're getting strong.

In fact, on selectorized equipment, it was easy because I'd move the pin in the stack and they wouldn't know and they'd lift it and I'd say, guess how much you just lift it. You know, 90 pounds, no, 130 pounds. Yeah. No, this 100, no, 130 pounds. No, this 100% can be an issue. And it's even been shown to be something that advanced athletes could take advantage of. The problem with this is,

how do you take advantage of this? Because you know what you're putting on the bar. And also, you also know if you're trying to get tricked. Like, don't tell me, put it some way on the bar. And also like a coach, this could also go wrong. Like Justin's like, I'm about to hit a five pound PR and Adam and I are like, we're gonna make him lift 15 pounds.

Little dizzyed. And then he heard some arms get a rip off. Yeah, and Justin, Terence is packing. Okay, we got something to tell you, bro. Thank you. It happened. We were trying to help you out. It's a little,

that did you find any of the, I did not. I know it's a story I've heard before too. And I mean, a classic example is what we just said with our clients. I used to do that all the time. It was definitely a great strategy. But I mean, that's where, I don't know how you would do it

to yourself. And I don't know how beneficial it would be to go into really, really heavy lifts and to not know what you're getting in the flow. I've done this to myself purposely. Well, I'll load the bar and I'll just throw in weights on and then I'll not add the weight and just add weight until I feel like I can't lift anymore and then I'll add the weight afterwards.

Well, there's definitely like a mentality going in because I could see what you mean in terms of like it being heavier than you expected and then that all of a sudden like, you know, sparking this. Oh, no, like panic and then you're not as apt to do it versus like I see that weight and I'm getting, I'm charging myself up to hit that weight. Next question is from CMOS 23. If you couldn't be in the fitness space,

what would all of you be doing? What would you guys do? Should we speculate on each other instead of ourselves? We did that many a long time ago. It was stupid. I know it was a bus driver and some weird shield. That was like, not real stuff. Bouncer and a teacher. You know it was a bus driver, it's a weird shield. That was like not real stuff. Bouncer and a teacher.

You know, I could tell you, I know what I would do if I wasn't it. I definitely wouldn't be in tech. I wouldn't work at a desk. I just, I've tried it out before and it drives me crazy. Yeah. I would be, I would be a teacher of some sort, you know, professor of teacher.

I see that. I feel like that's close enough to what I do. And I like working with, you know, I wouldn't mind working with kids, not young kids, more like probably at least teenage years and up. And I'd teach a subject that I really enjoy. And I think that would be fulfilling. But I can't see myself doing really anything else.

Like, oh, be really hard to work. I mean, you say that, but we all know that if put in the position where you had to, you would. Yeah, you would. If it came down to survival or taking care of your family, you would do whatever it takes. I would, you know, it's funny, this is probably a different answer today. And then if I had thought about this question maybe five or ten years ago, I would sell luxury homes.

I would sell high-end, you know, 15, 20 million plus homes. So I'd get into real estate and then work my way into the luxury homes and sell high-end homes. There's some good rips in there. Yeah, that'd be a well is that why or because you also enjoy you enjoy well Yeah, that's why I enjoy I mean I enjoy Doing the real estate side of the house anyways, and so it's already something I like doing that's why I mean Okay, I think no matter what we all left when did the smart thing to do is to move into another space That you enjoy I mean that's still the for the formula for success is to find something that you would damn near do for free, right?

So obviously we found that within this. We love doing this, then we made a business out of it. I mean, I already, I mean, I'm on Zillow and Redfin every single night anyways, because that stuff interests me. I'm reading those articles all the time. So it makes natural sense for me to go in that area because I already like it. And then yeah, the fact that I could make good money

doing it too is a bonus. Yeah, I'd probably find myself getting more involved in learning film and music and in some sort of both together in a combo. Oh, so you'd be broke? Yeah. That's why I'm here. It's not that, it's not that much worse

than the fitness industry. We all pick. That's true. It's true. One of the hardest ones I've never really cared about, like being the gizuelian air and thing like that. Like I just wanna do what I'm like passionate about. So yeah, I don't mind being broke.

That's the thing, but it's better not being broke. For sure, I'm not gonna see here in good plane. But yeah, I just wanna get what gets me up and when we're having an opportunity to create, even if it's consulting and doing creative projects, I guess creative projects, I would say. I don't even know if that is a category. But I'm gonna put it out there. Just so we do a job that doesn't exist.

You guys want me? I have a degree in creative project. You know what's funny is if it were, now if money were something that were really like you have to make a certain amount of money, then my answer may actually change because. Oh yeah, teacher, yeah. It would be tough. I mean, so that would change this, I would think. Okay, so fast forward five years from now, my pump is stayed on this trajectory, right?

So five more years of this trajectory, you've established a certain lifestyle for yourself. And now it implodes, we make zero dollars from this business. We have no one, let's pretend we don't have investments with passive income. You gotta go out and go rebuild or do something different. And you ain't going to be a teacher. Well, you know what, you're gonna go fucking painting.

I know. Actually, you said painting, yeah. Make happy trees. Actually, you said painting. Make happy trees. Actually, you know what though? I could do teaching just not in the traditional sense, right? Do you go back to New Media? Or yeah, you could go YouTube and be like teaching a lot. No, I could see, so that's the good thing.

I think that's a good thing. Doug, what would you do? I'm kind of with Justin, you know, I'd be a photographer. Oh, you'd be broke too. I'd be broke too. You guys could be broke, you'd be broke too. I'd be broke too. You guys could be broke together. Well, we'll start a business together called creative things. Creative.

That's cool. Maybe together, you guys would actually be part of it together. I could sell and educate your product together. There you go. Adam can sell houses to support us. Yeah, exactly. So much. The band's back together.

I get to support all your bullshitting guys to do it. A little studio. Just believe it. You believe the product. I like this. Yeah, if I had to just make money, it would be sales of some sort. But God, it would be so hard. It's so hard for me to sell something.

I don't really love. I tried doing that with investments. It was torture. Yeah. It was, and I mean, the banking investment industry, you can make a lot of money selling there. And that's really, I mean, that's an, to me, that's like the extreme,

like it was just boring. Yeah, boring type of sales. Like there's stuff in between that I think you would like, I mean, imagine how fun it would be to sell like luxury yachts. That'd be fucking cool. I mean, maybe, no, maybe for you. I yeah, definitely. You would love that.

I would totally love that. I mean, I think a lot of things I could sell that I would enjoy. Like, you're a yacht. Hold on a second. I gotta go take these people, I gotta take these people out on this. Not regular yachts.

Yeah. Oh, regular yachts. No, no, no, no, no. I only have the luxury yachts. It's gotta be a million in a bottle. You're like a Ferrari. Yeah. I don't think there are,

can you buy a yacht for less than a million? I can get like, little mini ones and use ones that are underneath that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I had a girlfriend's her dad bought like a small smaller version I think he paid a half million really have you guys seen leaner than our capriots yacht You're seeing is I'm only interested in his yacht because he's always preaching everybody about how you need to stop spewing stuff into the air Save the earth. It's like it's it, it burns up in a fire with like 500 fuel or what? Bro, his yacht literally is like, I think it produces more carbon than like, like a thousand people would do in a year.

Yeah. He's up there with one of the most expensive yachts, isn't he? Yeah, man. Tiger Woods, who's got some Jeff Bezos? Who's got some of the biggest monster yachts? I know, who's Connor McGregor has a crazy one, right? He's the Lamborghini boat. Oh, the boat. Yeah, which is like, I think it right? He's the Lamborghini boat. Oh, the boat.

Yeah, which is like, I think it was like a multi-million dollar, you know, jet boat. You know, it's like crazy. I feel like a yacht is the ultimate like survival vehicle. Like shit goes down, zombies are everywhere, get on the boat. We're gonna float in the ocean real quick. Let everybody go. It'd be safer in the ocean or up in the air.

Well, you can't fly forever. I'm going to Mars. I'm going to Mars, dude. Just the air. So don't they already fly forever. I'm going to Mars. Don't they already have like planes that are big gas tankers and some of that that are always flying around? I don't think they have nuclear powered. No, they're not nuclear power, but I mean, I think they're they have big tanker planes that you, well, they're like the jet pulls up and fills up. You have to have that too, then you have to have people come and fill you up all time. That's fine. That's fine. I mean, that's great. Look,

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