Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1946: How to Know if You Are Overdoing It in the Gym, Getting Back Into Sports Without Hurting Yourself, Adjusting Your Training as You Age & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: The BEST form of exercise for REAL flexibility is strength training. (2:41) Cold season is here. (6:03) The drawbacks to stimulants and how Ned’s hemp oil can balance things out. (13:57) The daily behavioral surprises of toddlers. (16:29) Is it easy to become a billionaire if you start with a million dollars? (19:11) The guys speculate on the future of Twitter under Elon’s helm. (25:03) Pumpheads are the best! (30:47) So, you want to be a fighter? (32:58) Mind Pump Live events are back! (38:18) Preparing for the holidays with Mind Pump. (43:13) Absorb your vitamins the right way with LivON Labs. (47:47) Exercise and alcohol. (50:33) #ListenerLive question #1 - How can I prepare myself (and potential clients) for getting back into athletics and competition in a way that minimizes injury, keeps me somewhat explosive/powerful, and in the game consistently? (52:21) #ListenerLive question #2 - Did I choose the wrong program based on my hectic schedule? (1:08:22) #ListenerLive question #3 - As an advanced lifter, can you address the emotional side of lifting that we must give up or change our goals to stay healthy and free from pain? (1:13:46) #ListenerLive question #4 - Which program do you guys think would best coincide with my soccer training? (1:28:06) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] MIND PUMP LIVE Q&A W/ MAX LUGAVERE Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! November Promotion: MAPS OCR or MAPS Cardio HALF OFF! **Promo code NOVEMBER50 at checkout** Cold water immersion to boost immune system and manage stress White House Deletes Tweet Taking Credit for Social Security Bump Forget paid check marks: Vine could be Twitter’s best path to profitability Amazon’s Gift Wrap FGF21, a liver hormone that inhibits alcohol intake in mice, increases in human circulation after acute alcohol ingestion and sustained binge drinking at Oktoberfest Hormone may be key to suppressing alcohol consumption Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 15% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01™ Daily Synbiotic** MAPS Fitness Performance MAPS 15 Minutes Mind Pump #1792: The Secrets Of Happy People With Arthur C. Brooks Prime Bundle MAPS Symmetry Mind Pump #1927: Performance Training Secrets From A Top NBA Trainer With Cory Schlesinger Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness) Instagram Elon Musk (@elonmusk) Twitter David Friedberg (@friedberg) Twitter Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere) Instagram Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks) Instagram Cory Schlesinger (@schlesstrength) Instagram

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Oh, that's not true. Oh, yes it is. You know what, this is going to be controversial, but let me explain. That was a bar method. Let me explain what I mean here first. When I said real flexibility, what I mean is functional flexibility.

So this is the kind of flexibility that's actually usable in the real world. So what does that mean? That means you have a range of motion that you're also strong and stable and not just a range of motion. So to give you an example of like something, someone that would be really flexible

but not really a functional flexibility would be like a two year old or a one year old, right? You can like, they're super limber and flexible but they don't have very much strength and stability. So putting them in those ranges of motion, it's they're super limber and flexible, but they don't have very much strength and stability. So putting them in those ranges of motion, they're not stable, and in fact they get injured under load. I don't suggest you do that with a one-year-old, but you get my point here.

That's true for adults, right? So you can have lots of flexibility. But in fact, flexibility without strength is massive instability and a huge injury risk. So why is strength training the best? Well, with strength training, if you do it right, and you get a full range of motion, like a really good full range of motion,

and you work on improving your range of motion, you work on control and stability, you get more flexible, and you have strength in that range of motion, so it becomes functional. Well, I think that's what people don't consider, is that when you train, that's why it's important to go full range of motion

and be able to have access to you know, that different range. Otherwise, it's, you get into that position where what we train the most is where our strength is. And so now like, you're going to have those moments where you're going to be tight, you're going to be restricted, your body starts to kind of protect itself from unfamiliar areas. So it's, you know, if you do it right and you go through that full range, I agree. Yeah, how would you explain to somebody who would argue to you guys and say that?

I totally disagree. I know how I feel when I lift weights all the time. I feel super stiff and tight. There's nothing you can do to convince me that I have better range of motion in that situation than the other. How would you communicate that? So just to see how you work out.

Well, yes. So there's two parts. This one is when your muscles are sore, they're going to be more tight. So if you train often, you're going to feel tighter. That's normal. Here's a second. This is a big one. If you don't constantly work on, and this is an appropriate way to do this, by the way,

I want to be clear, you don't just push yourself through new ranges of motion because you'll hurt yourself. You have to go very light, you have to understand stability, you have to know how to work on mobility in order to work into these new ranges of motion. But if you don't do that, and you just train, like you just squat to parallel, you just do overhead presses to a certain point,

and you train within just particular ranges of motion, you get really strong, like Justin said, in those ranges of motion, and then you're even weaker in comparison outside in those ranges of motion, and then you're even weaker in comparison outside of those ranges of motion. In other words, the ratio of strength to weakness now becomes larger when you go from where you train to outside the way you train. So then your body keeps you in that range of motion even more. The potential for injury goes up. That's right. And that's why you see like people lift a

lot of weights and they do it in a particular way. They look tight. They move like they're tight. Now, if you do it right and you challenge ranges of motion, you work in all different planes, you work on stability and mobility, you'll continue to build strength in newer, longer ranges of motion. I should improve your flexibility and it's the real kind of flexibility. It has real applications in the real world and reduces the risk of injury, the greatest. This is an off question, but I had my aunt call me last night and she has COVID. And we haven't talked about this in so long because I think all of us are so over it,

but I know you're normally up and up on the latest, greatest stuff. So are we spiking in that right now? And is there, what are you seeing with COVID cases and stuff right now? Are we? Yeah, it's, and like death rate and all that stuff. I haven't paid attention to that in so long now. Death rates really low. Yeah.

Because the, you know, the strains of COVID now are not as deadly. And a lot of people have a certain level of immunity, either from prior infection, vaccine or both. So death rates going down. It's actually, I think it's lower, if I'm not mistaken, it's lower than the flu. But it is spiking because it's the season.

Yeah, isn't there? There's also flu and other colds like flowing around right now at the same time. So it's, yeah, it's just kind of in the mix now with all these other sicknesses that we have to deal with in this winter season. Yeah, COVID is kind of like- And I get a hug too, Ro. COVID is like, it's just an endemic yearly thing that people are going to,

you know, sometimes get, like every year people get a cold. Not the flu, I haven't got the flu in years, but cold, you know, I'll probably get one a year or something like that. Yeah. So it's going to be like that. But, but it's becoming more mild for sure. And you can see that the way they talk about it now is the fear of you guys have anybody personally who's got it more than twice. Yeah. Oh, you have people that have caught one twice. Uh huh. You too. Yeah, but no, I think you're both lying. What do you know? I have it, but they're, yeah, there's, I mean, they were all vaccinated. No, which is irony. You know how you want to deliver that one.

Well, is it okay to say that now? No. Like, you want to say, you guys really know people that have, I do for a fact. For a fact. For a fact, yeah. I have some friends and family members

that have had it two times. One person I know has had it three times. That's what I was asking three. I know, I had it twice. Oh, oh, oh. What I recall was, I think Mike Matthews had it three times. If I'm not mistaken.

No, he had, and I don't take that as, I never, Mike didn't even test on like one or two times. So I want three positive tests to confirm that. I have yet to meet anybody who has tested three times positively. I've heard lots of people go like, oh yeah, I definitely had it. And then like back in March, and then I tested positive last month,

and then I got again, it's like no, no, no, no. Like I haven't heard of somebody literally testing three times positive. I've heard two times is the most important. I know one person who tested three times, I can't say their name or anything, but I know one person and it was really mild. The first time was like everybody else fever

at a whole deal. And then it was mild, mild, tested and it showed up. But I know a lot of people who had it twice. I think it's gonna be like every other coronavirus, you're just gonna, you're probably gonna get it every couple or three years. And I imagine each time it should be less and less severe, right? Like the cold, you know, think about the last 10 cold you had out of those.

Probably one of them was like, oh, this is a terrible cold. And the rest of them were kind of like, you know, a little sniffly. Well, that's normally because it's a new strain, right? When you hit you pretty hard like that or something. It's a variation, right? So like you have environmental stresses or like I mean, I wonder how like you don't worn down your body. It's the time that you receive it. So that kind of so you want to trip off this. My grandmother. So my grandfather just passed away. It's very hard on my grandmother. She's 86 and she does not have super great health.

She's on medications and all that stuff. She caught COVID because during the time when my grandfather died, lots of people are visiting. She hadn't got COVID ever. Okay. She caught COVID, because during the time when my grandfather died lots of people are visiting, she hadn't got COVID ever, okay. She caught COVID, all of us freaked out, because she's definitely the category of people who are not supposed to survive, okay. This, you wanna know what happened to my grandma? 86 years old?

She kinda had a little sore throat, they tested her. Oh my God, you have COVID. She's like, I'm tired, I'm gonna go to bed. Woke up the next day, no symptoms. She was negative two days later. Wow. I don't understand. Two days later, wow.

And I thought maybe she must have been exposed to another type of coronavirus before and had some kind of immunity, because otherwise, like, she's not like, just bowing right back. She should, she supposed to be the person that that goes bad for. It's really weird.

You know, I don't know if you guys, I've been back, uh, doing the cold punch consistently. Again, I didn't do it today, but I had been consistently doing it, um, throughout the week, like last week, I think I did it three times. We could for that. I think it did five times. Like, so I'm back to like, like really consistently doing that. Uh, and perfect timing because I'm starting to see a bunch of my family getting sick. That's what kind of promoted this conversation is.

I've had, I just had my aunt call me since she had COVID. Max was sick not just a few days ago. I had my mother-in-law. We've had a lot of people sick in the family. I swear to God when I am on when I am consistent with that. There is definitely something to that. I can I can personally feel now. I'm sure that I noticed such a big difference because I'm somebody who is has such a weak immune system that I get I normally catch everything if so I'm sure that I noticed such a big difference because I'm somebody who has such a weak immune system that I get, I normally catch everything. If I'm like, I'm the type of guy who, if someone is sick and the vicinity of me,

I'm like, oh great, I'm already planning for how I'm gonna be sick the next day because I catch everything, except for the stent that I went through in my life, which was about a year there when we first started doing the podcast where we were doing the cryotherapy and the cold plunging and so that. That was the healthiest, for the longest period of time I had ever felt my life and I swear to God I'm back at it again and I feel like already I've been around it and I not caught

nothing. I just found, I mean literally while you're talking, several studies, one showing that cold water immersion and sauna both elevate the immune system or strengthen it I found another study showing that cold temperatures can stop autoimmune diseases from attacking the body. It's almost like those stresses are immune regulators strengthening what needs to get strengthened and bringing down what may be over active. So that may be what you're noticing Yeah, just hmm. It's wild to me. It's very, very noticeable.

So right now I could go in there, because I brought stuff today, but I haven't used it. I could just jump in and get out. Filters running on it, Jerry bought towels, like three towels for all of us. There's a thing for you to hang your stuff and dry inside the locker in there.

Like it's all set. I'll use it today. So, and I start it, so I'll tell you, I start it two minutes and, right off the gates. Yeah, that's not very long for me. Yeah, it's not very long for that tell you, I started at two minutes and right after gates. Yeah, that's not very long for me. Yeah, it's not very long for that. And we're not at the super low. So we're at 40 degrees, Justin, is that what we have? Yeah, 40 degrees. I think it's where he started us at. Is that how cold was it? I think it was 40. I think it's 40. I think it's at that time

we put ice in it. In comparison, remember we put ice in it. That would be colder, I think. Yeah, this is bearable. And I actually, it only took me that first week of doing it every day to get to, like pretty comfortable at two minutes and now I'm doing four. So I'm already doing four minutes in there. I'll try it today. Yeah, yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. It's been life changing for someone like me who always gets sick. It definitely, maybe got lucky with one encounter, but not three encounters during winter when everyone's getting sick, that just doesn't happen for sure.

So now, do you do the sauna after before, like using the cold plunger? So I was using the sauna like crazy, and I've always been pretty consistent with that. One of my favorite things to do is to train and then sit in the sauna afterwards here, especially when everybody's kind of gone, I kind of do it by myself,

and now we have that little private room. So I've been doing that because I am not doing them in conjunction because Doug, for example, you're doing more cold about the sweat getting inside the bathtub so I won't do that. I don't know. But if you did it after, it wouldn't matter.

Yeah, I could do it after. And I thought about doing that. But I might be there because I'm gonna be there. I'm gonna be here for a while today because I have the NCI call later on. So lately it's just been cold. Just cold lately. Okay. That's the main thing.

Because I already, I actually train the hot heat all the time. So I've been, and that's the reason why I'm like focused more on cold, but my favorite is to do both. Like when we go to that, the refuge. Oh yeah, I love the contrast. And, and, Oh speaking of contrast, and, you know, I guess people who,

it's a bad commercial, but people who use drugs have combined uppers and downers for a long time knowing the awesome effects. Anyway, here we go. I can't wait for this commercial. One of the bad, I know I'm thinking of this right now because you're drinking a nitro, right? Is that nitro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's nitro.

So nitro, I love nitro. Coffee best. It's just, and it's strong, right? The best thing to take with that is cannabis and theine. It's bro. You're the one to introduce that. The hemp oil? Yeah.

The net hemp oil. Yeah. With that and theine. So theine relaxes the body, the hemp oil's obviously calms you. And what it does is it gives you the great effects of the caffeine and it takes away the negative effects. Because anybody who's ever taken a lot of very smooth. It's a very smooth.

It's a very young. It is It's a very, it is up. And you just don't get the jitters like you normally would. Yeah, because one of the drawbacks to stimulants when you lift weights is sometimes you get at a breath and it's too hyped and whatever. This makes it so you like focused clear and smooth. So you take the hemp oil with caffeine, the best. You introduced that to me even before we were working with Ned. I mean, we you had me doing that.

So funny, I can recall the first time I did it. Was that remember when we rented that house on the Delta when we wrote one of our programs? That one? I remember that weekend. We did a hit and split the same weekend. Is that what we did? I couldn't remember what we did. Oh yeah.

You wrote hit, you went all the time. You guys were finishing up split. Okay, you're right. Yeah, so at that house, when we did that, I remember we wrote you wrote hit you went outside and you guys are finishing up split. Okay, you're right Yeah, so at that house when we did that I remember we had all the stuff at the house And so I'm like oh, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna sit out there or the water going like oh Yeah, it's a fantastic Since then I've been sold it's the best yeah, the the hemp oil. I mean, I don't I don't think it's a pre workout But when you take it with your pre workoutworkout, I feel incredible, incredible. It's like the best combination.

So I like it. Some pre-workout companies. I like it better because I don't mind the jittery feeling that you get from caffeine and stuff like that when you're going to work out because I feel like I get to get rid of some of that energy. But when I want energy, but I'm going to be sitting like this or like riding or typing or reading, like, then I want the alertness that you get from like the caffeine or what that,

but then I don't want the anciness that you get. And that keeps... Try it. Next time you work out and you take your pre-workout, take the Ned with it. Yeah, because I've never done that. Watch how you feel when you work out. It's like the best stimulant, smooth stimulant effect.

You're stronger, you weigh more stamina because you're seeing this and so ramped up. Interesting. Yeah, it's the best combination. Anyway, I got it, dude, I'm having so much fun at home right now because my youngest, every day is doing something new, saying something new, like he's, and I don't know where he got this.

What are you at 16 months or so? No, he's two years old. Oh, he's two. He's gonna turn two. In fact, he's training two tomorrow. I fight, yeah, tomorrow, he's training two. Tomorrow? I know his birthday. Oh, he's two. He's gonna turn two. In fact, he's training two tomorrow. If I, yeah, tomorrow he's training two. Tomorrow? Tomorrow's the birthday. Tomorrow's the birthday.

Oh, wow, awesome. So, he, I don't know where he got this. We don't watch, like we watch, the only cartoons we watch is Franklin. We watch cars and we'll watch Mr. Rogers. He doesn't watch anything else. So, I don't know where he got this. But he started this thing where he'll just,

he'll get into this position and he gets into this like superhero position and he says, and he started this thing where he'll just, he'll get into this position and he gets into this like superhero position and he says, and he goes, run. And then he runs, like real fat, or he thinks he's fat because you can tell he thinks he's going real fat. Dude, I saw that video cracking up. He literally is in this like sprinter pose. He's got his arm all the way back, flash.

He's like, go. Yeah, and he runs, but he repeats it like a hundred times in a row. He stops. He does it again. So then again, I don't know where he got this from. I'm like, I'm going to put a cape on him. And I'm going to see if he gets excited about it. Now, he's never seen a superhero movie. No, right? So there's got to be something, I don't know, instinctual about it. Maybe. So I got a towel and I put tucked it in a shirt and I said, now run fast. bro. It's like I gave him Like turbo juice. He's of course and you can tell in his face. He thinks he's like

And I encourage him like you're going so fast. I can't even see where you're going He's like two to five has to be some of the best years dude I really think and I mean I'm only at three right now, but I've had you know five-year-old brother and sister before I've had five-year-old nieces and nephews. And just at that time, the development of the brain is so neat. I mean, it seems like, and right now, every day to the surprise you, every day. Right now, he maxes at this place right now.

We're like, he'll also surprise you with like a full-blown sentence all together. I don't know where, that you didn't even know, or a word that you had no idea, or a phrase or a thing he picked up, because he's going to school, right? So he is around all these other kids and they play all day. So he'll all of a sudden have this behavior

or thing he's doing that I'm like, where did he get that? I didn't teach him that. You know, we totally do not even realize how much work is happening in their brains to have them leap so quickly. Like as adults, you don't leap like that at all. You don't even come close to that.

It takes you years to make a leap that like a two year old will make. In a week. In one week, it's super crazy. I think they're bringing a cheat code. It's just like boom. Well, the brain actually prunes neural connections as they get older.

So it's not like they have to prune them because they have so many that the brain has to kind of fine tune itself. That's how like plastic it is when it learned, when you know, in terms of learning and stuff like that. It's good stuff. Anyway, good time with that. So I saw a tweet, was it a tweet?

I think no, it was on Facebook. And it was so infuriating because people have a fundamental misunderstanding of success, but to be more specific, billionaires. People just really have, so right now Elon, buys Twitter, so right now he's being targeted by all kinds of people, right? And in fact, did you see the fact checking

that happened on the White House? Yes, oh my God. I love it so much. It's just good to balance everything out. They did a post where it said, senior citizens got the biggest increase in social security in the last 10 years. Then the fact checkers or contexts,

whatever they put context was, that's because inflation, because it has to match inflation, is the highest that it's been in decades. So obviously the White House was embarrassed, they took the tweet down. They actually had to delete their own tweet, which makes it look even worse.

The nerve hilarious. Yeah, it's crazy. Anyway, there was a post about billionaires and people were commenting and this one person, the post was, it's easy to become a billionaire when you start out with a million dollars. And someone, someone underneath that. It's sad.

Said no entrepreneur ever. Yeah, and so it's funny because this is the reality now. It's exponentially easier to go from zero to a millionaire than it is to go from a hundred million to a billion, a hundred million, not just a million, but a hundred million to a billion. This is why there's so few billionaires and so why there's so many millionaires.

A lot of people have no idea just how difficult and challenging it. Well, in the point you're kind of describing to me earlier when you brought this up, it was just like, he's got in every industry that is the most difficult, it's almost like you're setting yourself up for failure immediately. Like, I want to get into the auto industry. I want to get into rockets. Like, are you kidding me? How do you like, how do you even like create something that substantial where it's successful almost right out of the gates or four billion I think four companies right four billion dollar companies are three.

I don't know how many he's got this the solar Tesla's a PayPal I guess you can get a lot right now. Yeah, he's got more now. He's got more now. I mean he built that many billion billion dollar company. Yeah, it's insanely. But the last time you talked about it, we got a bunch of stuff. I forgot what everyone was saying on YouTube.

So the last time you were talking positively about it, there's always like, he's very polarizing. So he has, I don't know the guy personally, he could be a asshole. But he pisses everybody off, and that's why I like him. It's like, he was saying, this is working. I get, because right in the left, they're pissed. I get where the mistake, though, that I think were the fallacy around,

you know, if I just had a million dollars or if I got to start like that, I would be able to do that. I mean, there was a time when we were in this business and I remember us talking about it that we were scaling and growing and all that's starting to get a little bit of traction that we would have fun and speculately,

oh man, could you imagine if we just somebody, you know, through 10 million dollars that has to go and do all these things that we want to do and so like that. And then your head, you think like, yeah, that would be, oh my God, if that would just happen, like we would crush just hire these people. Yeah, we have hired these people. I've never hired and they've failed. And so the truth is, and we know from just even the experience in the last six, seven years that Probably all the things that we would have thrown a million to ten million dollars at six years ago

Compared to what we would today is Totally different and we probably would have actually lost all of that through those ideas like you know, Justin's porn advertising That we all thought was broke. We all worked on for like two days. You guys just didn't go all in. It was our bad. You just sweared it with the idea. It was our bad.

I mean, but really though, exactly. For you to become a billionaire, unless you steal it or you're forced, like the government forces people to give you money, let's say your pharmaceutical company that the government requires everybody to buy from, let's say you're a pharmaceutical company that the government requires everybody to buy from. Let's say you do it in a market, okay? If you become a billionaire in a market, it's because you innovated at such a tremendous level that so many people found you valuable enough

to give you their money. So you've literally done something like so difficult, so challenging, and what society has deemed to be so valuable. I say society because it could go in a lot of different directions. Or you created a market that didn't really exist. Well, I mean, that's because you're the first one there, right? First one there, so you can get away.

I mean, imagine how like expensive some things were until everybody got into the space and made a competitive. That's right. So when you're first to market and in a brand new emerging market, you get a chance to reap a lot of the spoils until everybody else comes in and makes a competitive. Space shuttles used to just like come back in pieces. You couldn't use them again. He was able to figure out how to bring them back and land themselves.

So that is the case. So if I understand correctly, Space X is not so much the the profitable side of the It's because he created starlink and some other things off of there. Starlink and also companies pay him to use their rockets to launch that lights Okay He what he did was he said I want to fly to Mars and then he created a profitable billion-dollar company Like impossible then he said I'm gonna start start a car. First of all, the auto industry before Tesla, so because now people think, oh, it's open. But before that, it was the hardest industry to go into.

So regulated, so controlled, so much red tape, so impossible. Like you had the big auto makers, and then you're going to introduce a new auto company, like good luck. He not only did that, but he's going to make it electric. Yeah. And I'm not going to go through car dealers's gonna, I'm gonna make it electric. And I'm gonna innovate. And I'm not gonna go through car dealerships.

We're gonna sell it directly. And he turned it into a billion dollar competitive. So what do you guys think is gonna happen with Twitter? What's your prediction? Well, I don't know, man, because he's gonna, he has to, he's changing the model. So he could fail. Did you say the news about mine?

What do you, he had them, think about working with them? No, so they owned vine. That was a Twitter product originally. I don't know that. And so they have the code to it. So I guess he reached out to the original coders or whoever that created the code for vine and said, let's revive it or supposedly bring it to me.

I don't know what the exact conversation was, but there's now rumors around him potentially, which I think is brilliant when you look at Snapchat, Instagram, story, all the things that talk to you. Tiktok, Tiktok, these short videos. Have you guys familiar with WeChat? That's the chat. WeChat. Isn't that the Chinese social media? No, it's not WeChat. It's called something else.

It's called, um, yeah, there is a WeChat. I think there's, I think there's, what you're thinking of is the one that is like all income seen pay, you can pay people, you can, I think it's Wechat. Maybe Doug looked at it. I know exactly what you're talking about. I know some of you.

So somebody speculated that maybe Elon's gonna kind of look to them as like, well, I mean, with his background and PayPal, he would be the person to do that for sure. And that's what they say is the thing that's really missing with a lot of these social media platforms is the merging of that, you know. Yeah, is it we chat?

Is that the right name? I think so. It might be. I'm not sure for. Yeah, it's basically in China, it's the all-in-one platform, right? It's used to pay these social media. I heard so they were speculating that he wanted to have

like for your blue badge he wanted to have like for your blue badge, you'd have like an $8 monthly judge or something like that, just to kind of incentivize some kind of continuity that he's gonna add into it. It's brilliant, yeah. So I mean, that's besides that, I don't know that the model of Twitter, I don't think, because it's so effective at just being sort of

your first thoughts, like somebody reporting something immediately, it's like people actually, for news, they'd start going to Twitter exclusively, right? I mean, I think he can make the company extremely profitable by simply cutting the staff in half and making a model, just like that, where you pay for verification. Anybody who provides the right information to prove who they are can get verified through payment and proof. Is that it?

Yeah, it looks like we chat. Okay, cool. They do have payments, they have a voice video. That's the one I was talking about. That's sad. I was reading articles, someone saying that speculating maybe he'll go in that direction because that's so successful in China. I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

There was a comment. He did a, I think a tweet or a comment that said that something like he had, I don't remember it was like 10 managers for every coder. Yeah. That's what he said. You know, I don't know if that was like a serious coder. It was like a sarcastic thing he said, but I saw the same thing that it said that like there's like someone asked him like what's one of the biggest problems he sees.

And that was his response. Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. It'll be really interesting. I mean, with his track record, you have to bet on him, I guess, right? Although, I'm like, I don't know how you're gonna do well. Well, I just think it'd be great

if you can really kind of sift through all the bots and figure that problem out and make it more, like more real people involved on there that have voices that you can sort of trace back. This is a real person versus like, you have no idea. Other than the thing I'm most interested in is how he navigates the current climate with the,

how do you regulate what is acceptable on the platform and not. And we've had debates on here before where you guys have said things about, you know, Zuck and them. And I've been debates on here before where you guys have said things about, you know, Zuck and them. And I've been like, you know, these guys, they were more libertarian when they started these platforms. This idea that they are,

you start to make it a business people want to visit. Right. And so I don't think they were these, you know, hardcore, liberal type of people that are running these platforms. I really think that they are down the middle, but then now they get all these outside pressures of what you're supposed to do.

And then I think they succumb to that. So what I'm curious about, we know where Elon is, and we definitely know that he's not easily manipulating that direction. So if anyone is going to push back on those, like the government or someone are leaning in on him, he would be the guy. So how is he going to navigate these, you know,

tough situations where it's like, do you, do you platform this person? And I heard, so I heard someone explain it this way. I thought this was brilliant. One would be to have a terms like, here's what we allow, what we don't allow. And to be very basic and clear, and in try to stay as black and white as possible.

So not a lot of interpretation, you know, like, you know, with the way social media is now, you could say something and they'll be like, oh, that's hate speech, like what? Because there's very clear hate speech and then there's like, well, I mean, depends on the angle and what you're, so something that's black and white and stick to that.

And then the other one, I explainedation I heard or idea was to have you as a user be able to choose an algorithm. That was from Freeberg and I think that's brilliant, right? Yeah, I think you could choose the algorithm. To me, that's the answer is nothing gets censored. You as the consumer decide what you want since that's right. So if you want this type of stuff that would go in this category,

follow this category, then you chart, I don't want none of that stuff. You want no political, no religion, no bad language. No, it's like, okay, and then now they have built right in the software that it just, oh, if that gets flagged, it doesn't get removed, it just gets now categorized in only these people will be able to see that because you're talking about X, Y, and Z. To me, that is a brilliant way to run a true, true free,

freedom of speech type of platform without like, instead of government daddy coming in, yeah, that you as the consumer get to choose that. And I think that's the way, and allow the people that are okay with those types of things or wanting to have it. I like that too, because what an easy counter. Oh my God, I can't believe you guys allow. Change your algorithm, make sure you don't see it.

That's all I can get up to you. Yeah, you opt out of it. Opt out of it, and you can still use the responsibility. Yeah, so I really, really like that idea and I hope it goes that way. I got to bring up something hilarious. So yesterday I was on the phone with some of our customer service people.

And one of them told me that she got an email from a fan who sent a video and said, please let send this to Justin. So this guy created a mobility routine using a lightsaber. Wanna suggest it? Why didn't he just send it directly to me? Why are you my middleman? I don't know.

Maybe because they knew we were gonna give you a hard time. No, she showed me because she's like, I don't wanna send this to Justin. Just show, thank you for showing me this. I don't wanna deliberately make fun of it. You guys, okay? Any, the video of the guy does like mobility stuff. He's got like this obviously, I'll fake,

because there's not real light saber. Yeah. And you can hear him explaining the moves. And first then you swing over here, and then you use a reverse grip. And then you, and I'm like, this is so just it. Because you know, when the cameras are off, Justin's gonna cut you so much.

I did. I'm all about it. I think it's so cool to see, you know, because when the show first started, it wasn't big enough to really see like a difference in the audience. There is a very clear, like group of people that follow each of us individually.

There's obviously plenty of people that enjoy the conversation, enjoy everybody, but then there's definitely like people that are like they are adjusting people for sure. And like I feel like that would actually be a fun over here. It's like if we got like, if we got like 20, like hardcore mind publics anders, right, consistent listeners,

and we got 20 profiles of like Instagram profiles that we could go on look and see if we could, and they all admit that, oh, I'm a fan of one host more than the other. If we could actually categorize them based off of there, I bet you we would be at least 80 to 90% right. Do you think so? Maybe 100%.

I think it'd be closer to 100%. I think so. With some of them, right? They'd be too obvious. Yeah, there'd be some that would be very, very obvious. Very obvious. Like, no one's going to send me a mobility video, but especially lightsaber videos.

Yeah, I just kind of did on. I mean, it's my wheel. I even tease people was just sending me a mobility video, but especially lightsaber. Yeah, I just kinda dead on. I mean, it's my will. I even tease people when people send me stuff that I, it's like, this is me, right? You're, this, send this to Sal, this is it for me. It's why you ask me that shit. I don't care. Did you guys ever do that when you were kids

where you'd watch like a karate movie or a Kung Fu movie and then you go in a backyard and you practice like moves and shit you stuff so you guys that too. Of course I was a kid. I was a kid. I actually had a routine dude. I actually literally at one point. I try and break boards.

Of course I did. Dude, I was in a break in my hand. Oh my god. Yeah. I'm like real to my four. Oh yeah. That bruise my whole arm. Just scratched it.

Did you do what I did? You quickly realized you maybe like that. That was a particle border. Yeah, I'm really gonna get the pin. It's like foam. Or just my dad taught me too, is like you're trying to break this against the grain. That's why you're not gonna be able to break it.

You don't understand, right? You know what I did? I wonder if you do this. I took a two bikes and my dad would and he works in construction. So I went in a backyard. I don't remember what movie it was that I watched. It might have been a kickboxer with John Cloud Van Dam. This is the one where he does the Moitai or whatever.

And I'm like, that's it. I was probably like 11 or 12. I'm like, I'm gonna practice every day, Moitai. So I went in the backyard and just made up. I don't know what the hell is doing, but I practiced every day for like 40 minutes. And there's that scene where he's kicking the banana tree. Oh yeah. And you know, they break it down or whatever. With more Thai guys, I'll do this. Thailand. Yeah. And I was watching this and I'm like, I want to practice, but I'm

going to start with like my forearm, right? So I got a two by four. And I just thought, and I hit it right in a hurt. Oh, and I couldn't, I was like, oh, it didn't work. I'm like, you're stuck in a grave. It's my, I'm not doing it. I'm not going through. I'm not doing it hard.

Bro, I literally almost broke my arm. Yeah, because I was so hard headed. I kept, I hit it harder and harder and then finally I stopped. And I was like, what am I doing? I know. I mean, that tendency didn't completely disappear though. Like, because I ended up going in and I trained at a Moitai studio for a while.

And they would have you like jump rope and so I was like, man, I really need to toughen up my shins a bit. And so I'd go jump rope, bear foot outside on the cement. And it's just like, great. They're trying to like, okay, maybe this is gonna help. And this is obviously before I was a good trainer or anything. I was just like, you know, thinking that this would toughen up my shins and I was gonna, and oh my God,

I'd get to the point where I can barely walk, you know, just over and over and over again, like try to toughen it up. The first time you kick a heavy bag, because you think, especially when you're a kid, and you know, I had a friend whose dad had a heavy bag in his garage, and when you're a kid, and you've never hit a heavy bag,

and you see the movies, a heavy bag looks soft. Yeah. They hit it and they had a bends and they, oh my, oh this is soft, and I went in his garage and I saw it and I went up trying to throw heavy bag looks soft. Yeah. They hit it and they didn't bend. And they, you know, oh, this is soft. And I went as garage and I saw it and I went up trying to throw it as hard as I could. And I almost hurt my hands so bad. I was like, what? Dude, I thought it was soft.

I didn't know, too. You got to pack them in. Like when you first get them, and they stuff them and they put everything in them. Like, so there was a whole period where you have to kick the shit out of it. To get it to like, settle. Yeah, settle.

And inside, do that, you'd hit like a wrinkled spot. And it was like, basically just a rock. You just kick a rock. And like, I remember just like limping off like, oh my god. You ever seen them? You ever seen them? So a traditional, like, thing that they would do to, they would do to like quote unquote tough in their shins. Really, I think what they're doing is they're,

besides micro breaks in the bone, which make it stronger eventually, I think they kill the nerves, what they do. That's what they do. They'll take a stick. They'll take a stick. They'll grease up their, their, their shin and they'll break it.

And I, they would do this. I mean, that's basically the, the shin do adapt, right? And be able to handle it. You know how much it hurts? Oh, I'm sure. If I rubbed one across your shins twice, the way that they did it, you would want to stop. Because you see them doing it, you're like, oh, it mustn't be that bad.

I guess if you do it over time. No, right away. This all these fighters just always fight hurt. Yeah. They're just, they've figured out how to just not even feel it. Well, to your point, the micro breaks and tears actually ends up solidifying. I mean, you've seen like trees. I mean, I think I've shared this on the show before.

I told you guys, you used to do, it's called low level stress training on the trees for like marijuana plants. And so I remember learning about this and I would take when they're in their veg state, when they're not even that big, I would take them and I would, and you'd hear it and you like, and you twist it until you basically, but you're not even that big, I would take them and I would, and you'd hear it, and you twist it until you basically, but you're not breaking it to where it would follow. Just enough. Just enough to where you can hear it.

And then it would actually form like this knot, and then it would get really solid. And then that would end up being a stronger tree, and then it would produce better flowers. Yeah, so when you look at bone, I actually watched a documentary on this. When you look at bone, it's got this kind of interesting honeycomb kind of pattern where

there's like sponging in the middle. Yeah, like a sponge, right? And there's spaces in between. What happens over time? I was a documentary on karate. So old school Japanese karate is freaking hardcore. And one of the practices of old school traditional karate is toughening up the hands where they'd hit boards or they'd hit boards or they'd

hit rocks and they'd hit the backs of their hands on things. And if you look at it, like a traditional karate expert, their knuckles are massive and deformed. And this documentary is talking about what happens is that spongy looking area that creates micro fractures in there and their bones become denser. So they have less space in between in their bones, less of that spongy looking space, a more just solid bone.

Over time, so they literally have harder hands. So you get hit by a karate dude. In the face with their hands, like a rock. They're good in the face. It's pretty crazy. How excited are you guys for live events? Been almost three years, right? Excited.

It's been three years, Doug, when we did Ohio? Yes, almost. Almost three, right? I'm excited, man. I am too. Yeah, it's gonna be, it's gonna be, it's always high energy, dude. Like, it's fun to just see everybody kind of interact

and be able to jab at you guys and get some like real laughs, not just like, you know, silence. That's fun. It's super grounding for me is what it is. It may like totally brings me to the roots of like, I do you know why I enjoyed doing this because you know we we talk we get emails it's not the same though when you meet someone in person yeah and then they ask you questions and they talk about maybe something you said or did that really helped them or whatever and then it brings me back to when I was like first trainer like what one of the things I really loved about is there a part you guys are looking I mean this is one of the first times to that

We've actually organized like this where we have this many types of like events with it right we have everything from the live event that we're actually doing with everybody We have the live interview where some will be able to sit in and listen to us interview Max in the studio We've got the fireside chat that we're gonna we're gonna do that's private and then we also have the the Christmas party that a select group Will come to is there a is there one of those that you're looking forward to most? The fireside chat. Yeah, that's awesome. That's the fun. That's going to be a good time.

Yeah, that, I mean, for me, it's always, it's interesting because somebody will have a story that always like, I'm like, no, it's not going to happen, you're not going to make me cry. So I'm going to do it. Every time it's like, right here not going to happen. You're not going to make me cry. So I'm going to do it. Every time this close, every time it's like right here, like, but yeah, there's always somebody with some so powerful that you're like, it just reminds you, you actually impacted somebody on that level. It's, I don't know, I just love like the main event. It's funny how it will, it will still get you like that and surprise you.

Because when you think about it, and that used to happen to you as a trainer But it happens now at a greater scale and we feel it less That makes it like so when you were a trainer at all times you guys probably had anywhere between 20 to 30 clients that you were a training Right, so we're in that range and of those 20 and 30 there was always one or two or three of them that would come around, you know, a year that you like, life changing, right? That would just, I mean, there forever would be a lifer and they come to you crying and tell you how much you helped them. And so you would get that maybe a couple times a year from people where now we don't get

any of that because we're in this, this virtual game. But we're also reaching way more people than all of us could have ever done combined in our career. And so it's, I read a lot of like emails and DMs and stuff of stuff like that, but the difference is you don't have a relationship with the person. You don't know them, you don't see them. You don't see them.

Yeah, it's different too when you see what they tell the story themselves. When you see someone in person and then they I'll never forget this. This is the first. This was only we were only two years old at the time that the show. We went to paleo effects. That's what it was. That girl. Remember we were all like there and we were brand new. She did make me cry. Everybody cried. We all did. We were on our way out. I was like a 17 year old girl and she like stopped Justin because we were all ahead and then we turned on Justin with a guy who's crying. Like what's going on? We all go over there and she had been hospitalized with an eating disorder

and listened to our show in the hospital and she told us how it saved her life. And we were all sitting there, bunch of grown man, you know, you know, you know, we all started losing it and that was I was like, man, this is is crazy if this is some of the stuff that we're doing. Well, I get that off. That one surprises so much too because at that time the audience, it was rare to get a young, a young girl like that that was a listener. Yeah, that was kind of not our demographic when we first started started out. So to see that we work, like I would have never guessed. Like if you say like, oh, you have to paint the picture of someone's life you helped or changed. What does it look like at that time?

I would have never painted the picture of a 17 year old girl with an eating disorder. Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't have thought that we were impacting that demographic of people. So that was a really powerful. I wonder what happened. I wonder what happened. Because that was like six years ago. I love to find out.

I love to see where she's at now. I know. If she listens to it, let us know. I hope so. I hope so. You know who, God, who was it? Okay, so you know Margaret, how she does some of our chat on the website or whatever. Do you know who contacted her, who she knows personally?

Do you guys remember years ago, we were doing an episode, this is like maybe a year old or two years old, and we were talking about childbirth, a year or two, in the podcast. And we were talking about childbirth. A year or two in the podcast. And we were talking about childbirth. And I said, oh man, thank God for modern medicine because women used to dial a time for childbirth. So dangerous.

And a member went to midwife contact and said, no, you're told wrong. That's not what it's like. I'm a midwife. And it changed my paradigm. I looked into it and I'm like, oh my God, it was so wrong. That person contacted, it knows Margaret. Oh no.

And said, hey, tell Sal, I'm the midwife that, that, that God, I'm, or whatever. Oh wow. That was pretty in nose Margaret. Oh, no, I tell Sal. I'm the midwife that that, you know, that got them or what? Oh, wow. That was pretty personal. Oh, yeah, she's still. Oh, that's cool. That's the listening and stuff like that. That's really cool. Anyway, holidays are coming up, right?

So are you guys excited? We all have a little kid. So they're way fun. Yeah, yeah, speaking of that before you go into your commercial, the commercial, but it's not. Oh, you know, you're transitioning to a commercial. Sorry. Yeah, very good. So good oh, you're transitioning into a commercial. Sorry. Yeah, very good.

So good here. I'm really, really, really, really, let me ruin your commercial. Okay. No, did you see what Amazon is doing this year? So brilliant. What are they doing? So brilliant.

So, so, just cut me off talking about your own thing. No. I don't want to steal the whole thing. Sorry. You just go ahead. This wasn't planned for me to talk about it. You just reminded me when you said that and I wanted to tell you guys.

So go, go, go, Amazon now ships all your stuff right now in these already cool, Christmassy bags with the little place to put a name tag and a barcode if you wanted it. The whole wrapping for you already. Yes. Talk about it. I love what I thought they were doing that before. I've never seen that before. Or you could buy a present and have a gift wrap to the person?

No, it's like gift wrap. It comes wrapped like a present. Yeah, it comes in like a present with a bow around it and then it has. Like they really make it feel. Yeah, yeah. So I had it out there earlier. It's fantastic.

Isn't that cool? Yeah, that's smart. I think they had to because so many people were, you buying gifts for people across the country or whatever. There it is right there. That's smart. I think they had to because so many people were, you buying gifts for people across the country or whatever? There it is right there. That's the way to do it.

Oh, well, and even then it's better because, dude, how lame is it just sending out gift cards? Wait, I thought they did that for a long time. I'm almost positive. I've been, every Christmas, Katrina and I order everything from Amazon in a day. We've been doing that for over five years now. I've never seen this.

Really? So either it's a new feature that they're I don't think it's a new feature. I literally I send gifts to my goddaughter because they're up in Sacramento and we often don't see them for Christmas. And I gift right. What does that say Doug? Yes. Can you find out when that started? Well anyway, whatever. So you've seen that I have I have. Yeah, I've never, I've never, never seen it. There's a, there's a section. You can actually select like gift, receipt and gift wrap and it's an extra fee. Yeah, you have to pay for it.

Yeah. So it's not included with everything. Well, to, to your question, like, so this year's going to be completely different for us as a family. It's really like we're just kind of throwing the board out and, and we're going to go traveling over to Scotland and Iceland. And that's like the big present for our family. Now are the boys pissed?

Are they okay with that? They're so excited about it. Really? Now do they think they're getting both? No. Oh, they know. No, they know. They know this is the deal. Like this is, who's getting pissed? It isn't like my mom.

Yeah. Oh yeah, I can't like,. Yeah, because we're leaving. But we'll do stuff with them before we go. But- Finna post card. Yeah. Yeah, wish you were- Remember the one of my favorite Christmas movies

is Four Christmas's. Oh, I love that movie. They lie to their family about where they're going to the top of the news. Yeah, I don't know. We're not going to wear tropical though. Yes, that's like, you know, that's okay. We figure it's like-

So you lie to your parents and tell them that you guys are doing like something like for the homeless or something like some children. Yes, it's like, you know, that's okay. We figure it's like, to be light of your parents until they're doing like something like for the homeless or something like some children. Oh yeah, so they can't guilt you, you say? No, no, no, no. I'm like super honest, like I've learned to do that. I, so I'm in a unique position because I have, I have two older kids, a one younger one and a baby about to come.

My older ones are teenagers and when they get to like, as they start to get into later years, like 10 years, the fun of the holidays, you start to lose it because, you know, your kid like Halloween, you go trick or treating with them with their little, then they're like 14, 15, you know, I go trick or treating with that. They're gonna go with their friends.

And so you lose that. And Christmas, it's exciting when they're little, when they're teenagers, like, what do you want for Christmas money? You know, like, it's like, well, let me get you something, no, I don't care. And it's not the same. Yeah.

So I get the two little ones and I get to relive, you know, when it comes with the at cost last year, Everett believes in Santa. Yeah, 100%. He's already borderline and like we're trying to help, have Ethan help us keep it alive. Yeah, one more year. Well, so my older kids are gonna do that

with the younger ones now. So they are gonna do the whole like, you know, he does his gifts and all that. And we're gonna do the like, you know, that we're gonna have fun with it. Make it look like reindeer walked in the house and Santa Claus was here. And everyone's gonna play along, you know, so it's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah, so I'm excited about not I was gonna say it comes with the cost like a no sleep. Lots of stress. Obviously, you know, little kids are just whatever.

Is this the commercial? No, it's not a commercial. It's a commercial. What would that be a commercial? I don't know, but sometimes you little kids are just whatever. Is this the commercial? No, it's not the commercial. It's not the commercial. What would that be a commercial? I don't know, but sometimes you get really good at it. No, I think. You wanted to do it. You wanted to do it.

Small kids for Christmas, not a awful slap of my tongue. You're a new partner, I don't even know about. If you're not a joy or holiday, we'll send you a small kid. You're an organized nutmeg protein powder. No, no, no. All right, here's the commercial. I just looked at this. You're gonna create that here's a commercial. I just looked at something.

You're gonna create that. Now you have that. I just looked us up. Okay, the delivery method for nutrients makes such a big difference where if you take a supplement, you take vitamin C, you'll absorb a certain amount. If you take it in a form where it's absorbed or delivered to your target tissue is better,

you'll absorb far more. It makes a huge difference, and this is for live-on. So live-on does the liposomal technology, which is a phospholipid, and it uses the phospholipids as a way for your body to absorb the more. So even something that's water soluble like vitamin C, like they have a vitamin C, you look up the research on it, liposomal vitamin C, you just absorb and utilize way more. So it's like all nutrients, and they have lots of, like a B complex, they have glutathione, they have magnesium,

I said vitamin C and others, you take it in this form, you'll notice a difference if you're not absorbing enough of your old. Yeah, you're good about handing me over the smelly juice. Yeah, he was good at that. I saw him taking it today. So if that's true, Sal, then why don't all these other supplement companies use this technology? It's expensive. Oh, it is. It's more expensive.

I'm not sure if it's yes, it might be available to other people as well. But I know it's expensive. And especially the way Livlon does it. I mean, you got to deal with the taste and all that stuff. That's what I thought. I was like, you know what, like how crazy is that? That like you, what a risk you take as a supplement company, like them of going like, you know, we are, forget, we're gonna just throw out the whole taste thing because this is, people are taking it for nutrient deficiency or they need something.

So we'd rather give you the best possible and we're gonna sacrifice that. There's, I feel like there's just a lot of the wrong ingredients. Certain percentage of people that will appreciate that. Totally. Speaking of, you know, sub-liposomal technology and they have a glutathione, which by the way, if you drink alcohol on a regular basis,

you should look into supplementing with things that raise glutathione or that provide your liver with glutathione. Really? Yeah, because the liver is being stressed with alcohol. I feel like I never heard about glutathione until COVID. And now I've heard it a ton of, and now I'm continuing to hear it positively for so many other things that's starting to sound like it's one of those. It's the master antioxidant, so it's literally the main antioxidant of the body.

Okay. And if your levels are low, not good, and if they're right, you're doing good. You could take too much, of course. Okay, I don't know this is true, but I've actually heard some people that have taken glutathione and they've gone out for a night of drinking and actually, it was a little sketchy because they felt

they could drink a lot more than they normally could. I don't know about that. I don't know about that, but I do know that if your liver is being stressed, it is utilizing a lot of this antioxidant, and it could have not enough. And so supplementing with this can make, and iglooothions got other effects too.

I hope it's a recovery, I think that's the appropriate way. Yeah, now speaking of alcohol, there's this article of study that just came out. So Dr. Rhonda Patrick just shared this, and I pulled it up. There's a hormone that's produced by your muscles when you work out, that it's called the FGF21 hormone, okay? FGF21 hormone. This hormone in animal studies, when they give it to animals like mice

and rats and monkeys, reduces their alcohol consumption by 50%. So for whatever reason, this particular hormone reduces your cravings and desire for alcohol or in animals. Now, this also may be why we've seen in studies on exercise. When people exercise, they tend to want to drink less alcohol. Now, it was believed before that this is mainly due to the psychological effects. Like, well, I'm doing something for my body and my health. So I'm probably going to eat better and I'm going to reduce my alcohol. But it may also be because of a physiological effect where you work out, you produce more of this hormone, this hormone makes you want alcohol less. Interesting, right?

Very interesting. Very interesting. So they're going to look more into it because right now we just have animal studies. But this could be like potential treatment for people who have issues with it. Oh, that's wild. I mean, I've definitely made that connection, but I always thought it was a psychological problem. That's what I would say too. And that's where I'm gonna lean still

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having the opportunity to listen to you guys just for a few months now. And I've gleaned so much information, just kind of binging two or three episodes a day now. And I just am really stuck on you guys So awesome job great job putting out the content. Thank you. Thank you Yeah, for sure. All right, so here I am I'm a new relatively new trainer here just about a year of actual practical hands-on experience here

and What I found myself in is getting Trying to understand how to more accurately use our bodies, right? So And what I found myself in is getting, trying to understand how to more accurately use our bodies. So I've been encouraged to find a new hobby. So here I am, I found a dolly baseball. So I'm getting back in the baseball scene, 40 years old. I have felt very comfortable in the gym setting,

felt very comfortable with the way that I moved my body and can control it. However, when I was approached with getting back into baseball, my mind is just like, fuck yeah, you were going to go do this. However, my body is saying, no, we're not doing this the way that we used to. So getting back on the baseball field 20 years removed from the last time I was on the field, things are not functioning the same way. So I'm noticing that my body moves. There's different discrepancies in the way that my body is moving and that I can feel like some of my muscles may not be firing on all cylinders the way that they should be. And granted, I understand some of that kind of comes with age. But I also feel that I still have the ability to be athletic and to be explosive and still generate a certain amount of force and skill

into being an optimal player for my age. And the second part of that idea is, I have, being a trainer, I've got a lot of clients who are newly retired and they're getting back in the athletic scene for in some degree as well. Maybe playing tennis or a golf or picking up pickleball. So they may have come from a deconditioned kind of state, maybe being an office or whatever the background

may be, and I'm hearing some of those same aches and pains that you're dealing with. I can't reach the same. I don't have the same flexibility or that same dexterity and the power that I'm looking for. And there's so many other things that go into that, like being able to accelerate and decelerate, and use our body in ways that can be very performance driven on the court, but at the same time, just functional in real life as well. So my question is, how do I being at my age and also kind of coaching those who are a little bit older, how do we take our bodies and kind of mold that into a functional motions, but also how we can still kind of have a good experience getting

back into sports and being physically active. Yeah, that's a good question. And I want to comment on that real quick. I think a lot of the reasons why people who are 40 who have an athletic background, notice aches and pains, it's less to do with their age and more to do with the fact that they just lost the skin. They're not the same patterns anymore.

Yeah, it's all skill, right? It's all skill and how your body moves in sports is very skill-focused. Will you get slower as you get older eventually? Yeah. Will you not be as explosive? Yeah. But if you lose the skill, forget about it.

Hint's Tom Brady, right? I mean, excellent, excellent example. So real quick, you said, how do I do that? Well, slowly, and you start one step at a time, and that should include practicing the sport at low intensity levels. Like the easiest way to hurt yourself is to go play without building your body up to,

or to play hard without building your body up to that capacity, because the risk of of injury becomes really high in that scenario. So it's like train your body slowly, multiply and then slowly practice your sport at low and then moderate and then high degrees of intensity over a period of time. Yeah, I would say like to reiterate that like mainly on the slow part is to get through those movements. The movements that you're less familiar with, you know that you've lost a bit of range of motion, especially with any kind of a rotational movement, a shoulder, rotational movement.

This is something I found was kind of like the best thing I could have done in terms of like I decided to sign myself up for a football game later on in life when I'm almost 40 years old, which is a ridiculous idea. And everybody thought I was crazy. But, you know, what I did focus on was not so much about like I'm gonna be so strong and like in shape going into that,

it was more like I need to focus on a lot of these movements that my body's not familiar with leading up to this so that way it can respond appropriately. And so we were focused a bit more on the mobility side of it and just trying to reconnect with a lot of the lateral movement, a lot of the rotational movement, a lot of stability. So in terms of a list of priority, I highly suggest, like if with any ex-athlete that they just take the time to get your body to go through those ranges of motion, connect with them, add isometric tension to them.

So that way, two, you're better connected. So that way, now you can add some more stress, you can add some more load, and then work your way up sort of that ladder again to get to the explosive, the acceleration, the deceleration, the force generation, all of that takes a base again. So to kind of take it in those steps and be methodical about that would be my suggestion. Well, this is really, this is math performance.

Yeah. So I'm gonna have Doug send maps performance over to you so you can use that. I think that's a great place. That's the perfect program. Yeah, that's a great place. Sorry. And really what it is, it's the stuff that Justin was

highlighting that we, you know, as we get older and we stop playing sports, we really stop moving in the frontal plane. We don't do a lot of stuff in the transverse plane. We don't do a lot of rotational and anti-rotational movements. And that's really where the injuries occur or why you feel slow or less responsive is that you've just you've stopped doing movements like that. And so and then you go out on the on a field or playing a baseball and

those movements are required. And then you and your brain tells you, I know how to do this because I did it for many, many years as a young guy, but you haven't done it a long time. So the body doesn't seem to catch up and that's where injury tends to occur. So laying the foundation with like a map's performance

type of a program with Sal's advice of, getting back to playing the sport, but being very mindful that that just because you could do a lot of those things in the past that you haven't... You're gonna play slow. Yeah, you haven't built the foundation. I mean, this is what keeps, I love basketball. It's one of the Katrina and I just talking last night.

I miss it so much. And the reason why I just don't get up and just go play ball is because I know that I haven't built a foundation that I should before I get out of the court because my brain is really tough when I, because I played for so many years, I ride away, will want to start to do certain moves and play at a certain rate and I just, I haven't laid the right foundation for that for my age and so, and because I've neglected it for so long. So, performance is the place I would start.

And that's really where performance, that was a big part of our motivation was to dress that because there's a lot of people out there that just want to get into recreational sports and like continue because sports are awesome and they're fun but it puts a lot of wear and tear and stress on the body. And so I mean if I was to kind of stack our programs together for somebody that's like you know been out of the game for a bit and wants to kind of really do a good job of addressing a lot of these issues. I would go prime, I would go symmetry,

then I would go performance. So, you know, looking to that is a potential option, but it would help cover the basic. Symmetry would be perfect before or after, right? Performance would be great. And then prime is just gonna show you some of those movements that'll help you work on connecting to different ranges of motion.

You know, as far as timeline is concerned, because you're fit, because you've been working out, it's like you're not fit. We're not dealing with a deconditioned person. Because this was something you did quite a bit, but 20 years ago, and there's going to be some muscle memory there, obviously. It's not like you've never played baseball before. Because you're fit, I can see you're not overweight, you're obviously at a good body weight. You just haven't practiced playing baseball for a long time. You should give yourself about six months at least before going to play hard

baseball. That would be the safe thing. So, I would give myself six months of working up to being able to go and play hard baseball. And so, and then here's the other mental challenge. Like Adam talked about this with basketball. You could go play baseball, just play it a low intensity and play slow so you get used to the movements again. Just like Adam could go play a slow game of basketball, but I know Adam, and I know that when he's playing, it's not gonna work that way, right? Cause he's gonna be playing the game.

And how do I play this game without playing hard, right? So, if you got to really, really have that discipline to be able to do it, and it may mean you go out in the field by yourself, and you mock play and you play slow and you do this two days a week and then three days a week and then four days a little harder. And then you go play with like a bunch of men who are like, you know, way older than you. So you're playing at their speed and then eventually go down to like, you know, recreational players and then competitive players at your age.

But I give yourself about six months just to keep it safe. Gotcha. And I hear what you say. And I really appreciate the feedback there. The league that I am in is 25 and older. Being 40 years old, I'm one of the younger ones on the field. So I feel like I do have that advantage. But I'm also looking at these older players

and they're coming off limping or the Monday, they're calling off the work because they're just like, they're out of the game altogether. So I'm trying to avoid that. And I've listened to you guys long enough to hear you say, like just focus on mobility, focus on joint health. And those are certainly key things that I really want to ensure that I'm touching on and being very conscious of,

because also I need to take care of my own body because I'm going out and training and teaching classes and doing one-on-one sessions. So for me to have a functional and still, you know, athletic body and purposeful, then I need to, you know, just be mindful of what I was doing. One last thing I have before we let you go, I want to make sure that you understand, yes, mobility is important. Yes, joint integrity is important. But what's equally important is relearning how to apply the skill of what you're trying

to do. Because you can have general mobility, but then you can go try playing a sport and you're not familiar with a particular movement or skill and still place yourself at an unreasonably high rate of injury, for example, or risk of injury, I should say. So it's not just mobility and joint integrity. It's mobility, joint integrity, stability, and I got to relearn the skill. There's a way that you move.

You know this as an athlete or as an ex-athlete. You know that there's a way that you move that, yeah, you can have strong muscles and you can do all whatever it would be flexible. But if you don't know how to move that way or you have to relearn a way that you move that yeah, you can have strong muscles and you can do all whatever be flexible, but if you don't know how to move that way or you have to relearn it like that's that takes time. So it's all of that stuff. Thanks for calling in Ivan. By the way, I want to make a comment.

He said, oh yeah, it's guys that are older than me or my age. I've seen guys in the 40s and 50s who have continued to play in a really good job. And they're they're they're never stopped. That's why I brought up Tom Brady. Right. Yeah, what is he 45 now? 45, 46? Yeah, and he's the best in his position. So yeah, I wanted to actually through this because Andrew went through this process of going back into baseball and like,

does he have a mic? Because I wanted to ask you a bit about like, what were your first steps in terms of like getting getting back in and competing at that level again, because you went through this entire process that he was describing about getting back into baseball and competing at like a high level in terms of erect leagues. So you did the same thing. So what did you consider first? Yeah. So, I mean, for so a lot of audience knows I'm only 26 years old and going out there, I

imagine this guy excited to play the skills still there, but your body is just not used to like once was and think about when you're in high school. You're training every day of the week and now what I'm at, not training at all and pretty much is going out there on Sundays, what I realized was I was going to get hurt very quickly. And so what I had to do was basically build up the intensity, like you guys talked about the skill of it and break it down on the, for each exercise. So like running the bases, throwing, like we're just going out there and throwing out a net and just kind of building up how much of us throwing

or how much of us running. And that really made the difference for me. So you broke up the skills. I broke up the skills. So like based on the position, saw my picture, play the outfill, I run the bases. And when I went out there and I didn't do that, and I tore my hamstring and my shoulder was

dropping like the next day, and the Monday. And so I took me like four weeks to get back into it. So I broke it down and just kind of build everything back up little by little. One day I was just throwing, you know, 20 pitches in the next day. I was just picking it up, picking up the intensity. It's perfect.

You know, it's wild. Is someone like you who actually has an extensive background and baseball is at a higher risk than me getting a person who's never played before and then wants to go play. Yeah, because of the muscle memory. Because, yes, because you know the type of velocity that you can put on a ball or how quick you could turn the basis or how you can turn the bat over to swing. Your brain will try and do that still. We're someone who's like, it's all foreign. It's like, uh, their body's only going to kind of do with their work.

They're way up to that. That's right. They got to work their way up to that. And so they're less likely to get hurt, which is not, it's kind of counterintuitive because you think, like, oh, I've been an athlete my whole life. Like, I'm going to get out there and I'm going to play right away. One actually, you're at higher risk because of your background and what you know that your body's capable of doing versus the total green 26-year-old who

goes, Hey, I want to try baseball. Never played my life. Like he's less at risk than you had to add to that because someone might be listening to me. Huh? How does that make sense? When you have a particular skill that you've learned in a sport, it typically involves a type of movement and mobility that's specific to that skill. Like, you know how to get down real low, you know how to angle your foot, drive particular way, and this is all intuitive. Well, all of that requires the capabilities to manage that skill. Now, the average person who's never done that sport, when they're turning the bases, they just turn their body, not knowing that there's a way you can do it in angle your body.

So they just do it in a way where they intuitively aren't going to hurt themselves. So this is why it becomes a problem because you get someone like Andrew, you know how to twist and turn. You know how far back to whip your arm or as if I throw a baseball, it's going to be very stiff and whatever, because that's what I do. If I didn't have your skill, I'd be like, no, I got to bring it way back here, whip it over this way. Boom.

Torch my shoulder. You killed those carnival games though. That's good. That's good. You guys all time. One last thing to add to exactly what you're talking about is it's all the antagonist muscles that kind of have to get restabilized. So like even if I was throwing with my right shoulder,

my left back was the side that was hurting a lot. And it's because it wasn't used to taking that load. It wasn't used to decelerating. It wasn't used to a lot of that extra work. Cool. And you know, the audience needs to know that Andrew, just he does our YouTube and he knows more fitness than your trainer does. So that's the staff that we have here.

Step the game up. That's what we got here. Yeah. Our next caller is Colton from Nevada. Hey, what's up Colton? How can we help you? Oh, how's it going guys? What up?

All right. I'm just, first off, just want to be that guy, you know, everyone says thank you. And I do appreciate you guys I like the uh The little introduction you guys got makes me laugh at work when I'm at night shifts Keeps me like Good stuff, man. I yeah

My question for you guys is I'm doing maps aesthetic and I I work as an underground minor over here in Nevada And my schedule is super crazy. So I leave my house at three, like in the morning, I get home to the bus stop at around 0730. So doing the maps, like the aesthetic program, it's taking me like an hour and a half to do the workout. And so by the time I get home, say hi to the kids and eat dinner and go to bed, I'm not falling asleep till like 11. I know you guys are super big on sleep, getting enough sleep.

I just want to know if I'm taking too long between sets or if I chose the wrong program or what I got going on. Is this 730 at night? 730 pm, you got it? Yeah, damn bro You have that my work swing shifts. Yeah, you I think I work swing shift So sometimes it's 7 30 in the morning 7 7 30 at night, but it's always I leave it Leave my house at 3 30 and get home at 7 whether it's her get to the bus stop at 7 whether it's

I don't know. I don't know how you have so much muscle with that kind of schedule I think it's all just fake. I'll just show I did just get back from the GM. I'm on my days off. So you're you're a minor. I just sweet pump. Yeah, you're a minor underground. I'm pretty sure it's real. Yeah. All right. Here's a day. You need to follow maps 15. Yeah, I just gonna say the same thing. I'd say go map 15. I think that right away is the better program. Do the advanced version in there obviously. Yeah, yeah, the mass 15. And then if that's awesome, the next progression that would be anabolic. So aesthetic is just a ton of volume.

And you don't need it. It does take a long time for you. Yeah, you don't, I mean run, run mass 15 and see how good you feel off of that. And by the, the advanced is more like 20 to 30 minutes long. So it's still not like super, super short But I think that program is perfect for where you're at and then if you want more to that Then I would go into anabolic after that aesthetic is just a lot, dude

That's it. Yeah, it's a lot night I've been kind of just throwing my own thing into it like the the nights I get to the gym super late It's like oh well. I'll make sure I do all my leg workouts I got little tiny baby legs. And so I can, oh, but instead of five sets for back, I'll do four sets here, three sets there. Kind of just trying to save some time. But I don't know if that was bad collar,

if I just made the wrong choice on the programs. I do like it. Like on days off, I have all the time in the world. So it's just. I think you probably have a really high tolerance for workload and stress, which is why you're getting away with what you're doing. It's way too much volume with the schedule like yours. You're actually get better results working out less. You'll get way better results working out less. So yeah, I can't wait to actually hear you after you go through this. So I was gonna send you maps 15 on us So we'll send that over to you and then I would love for you to follow back up with us

You'd be a great person to okay to hear how that goes after you've been running it for like a month or so I think you should see see and feel a difference just by scaling back on the volume do the do the advanced version to by the way I want to make that clear so there's a there's a beginner version of the advanced version do the advanced version too, by the way. I want to make that clear. So there's a beginner version, the advanced version. Do the advanced version. Okay, sweet. Awesome. Thank you guys. I really appreciate it.

Yeah, what part of Nevada you in? Elco, little tiny minor town Elco. What's the closest? Near Reno, that direction, or is it more Salt Lake? It's like four, it's closer to Salt Lake. So it's like three hours away from Salt Lake, just right in the middle of the desert. No trees for a hundred miles. It's not the boonies.

Good stuff, dude. Oh yeah. All right, take it easy. Thank you. All right. You know what? I got to say this again, there's just some, and it's usually blue collar or people who have probably been doing it for years.

Their capacity for stress and workload is so crazy. Yeah. That it's so hard for them to realize. You can just handle so much. They just don't realize that they're overdoing it because they're like, well, I always, you know, what you might always do. Well, when you think about working out, you always think of working out to be more stressful

or more challenging than your day-to-day life and work. And when your day-to-day life is that high, it's like hard to be like, oh, that's all I'm gonna do in the gym. My work day was harder than this. Yeah, we got it. like, oh, that's all I'm going to do in the gym. My work day was hard. Yeah, I'm going to do the same reaction. But yeah, I mean, he's going to blow up, especially the amount of muscle he's carrying doing that kind of with lack of sleep and all that. He's going to explode. Yeah, I didn't ask his age. We didn't say he says he's got a family though, right? So is he a dad? Did I read that? He looks like 30s. I don't't know, maybe 40. Yeah, in his question, he says,

before you know, when he gets home and hangs out with the kids. He's like, I'm 20. That's how you do shit. Oh shit, no, yeah. That's not black asleep. No, yeah, that's how, man, talk about it. Serious schedule, dude. When I hear a schedule, that makes me feel like such a woos.

I know, that feels soft. Yeah, right, yeah. Could be complained about my commute. I'm excited. I know. I know. It's a tire just talking. He takes a bus. Yeah. Fuck you, right. Yeah, they complain about my commute. It's a tire just talking. He takes a bus. Yeah. Fuck you crazy. I had to rate the leaves of the

the daily. Oh, man. Too tired for this. It's like, it's just too much. It was like 4 p.m. Our next color is Jess from Ontario. Jess, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Well, you know what? I've been an avid lifter and a coach for many years now,

and I started off in high school lifting, not really knowing what to do, developed an eating disorder from that, and just a whole bunch of bad experiences all along the way, went into college and started to actually learn how to bodybuild to address my eating disorder and kind of a fast-ackwards way of going around it. Bodybuildings not necessarily the greatest place for a person with an eating disorder to go into but and then I just fell in love with lifting and got my exercise science degree and coaching pretty much ever since.

Spent the last about 13 years in the US military service as an army captain once I got over the whole eating disorder debacle. And so I've had a good amount of bodybuilding experience, competed, and then more of a military athlete type of background. Whereas I was always the person to go to for PT and you know, how do I, how do I lose this blood, sir? And then after that stint, somehow I ended up on in Canada. Apparently I like French girls. And

in Canada, apparently I like French girls. And then started up my own fitness business up here, Smash a Strength Lab, and got into heavily into power lifting, which I really fell in love with. And I power lifted for a good eight years. And then all of a sudden, 40-year-old, years old comes along. And it's like, oh wow, my joints are just fallen apart. I got diagnosed with osteoarthritis

and a hip injury, which is kind of shut down the heavy lifting. And so beans, I'm an avid listener of the show, and I love to listen to you guys when we're on log bro trips and whatnot. I was like, you know what, I bet these guys wouldn't be able to chime in on some of the emotional aspects of being a really fit person all your life and then all of a sudden it's just like you've got this huge roadblock that makes you go, oh wow, I can't do the same stuff I was anymore and you're just kind of a husband and you're

just kind of going, well, what do we do now? And I feel like a lot of other people will benefit from that because we have such a large population of this newcomers into fitness and people that have been in fitness their whole lives, like myself. And so how do we navigate the mental toughness aspect of like dealing with like, well, like can't squat 500 pounds anymore? Yeah. This is such a good question. And this is why, really what you're highlighting

is when I mention how fitness is this kind of unassuming, very powerful vehicle for personal growth, that's what you're experiencing right now. Like you've already gone through some big changes with your fitness that we're challenging, like going from eating disorder to healthy lifting

and bodybuilding, right? That was a big shift and it required some serious personal growth. Well, you're just, you're going into another one right now and, you know, fitness will teach you a lot of lessons if you pursue it appropriately and if you pursue it and keeping yourself or your self-care is a priority because what you're learning now is,

well, how do I do this without hitting PRs? How do I do this without competing and driving myself like I did when I was in my 20s and my 30s? And you'll figure it out. And one of the things you'll figure out is how to enjoy it for the sake of doing it. And you'll also figure out that you can have goals that are different.

Like maybe your goal is before would get a 500 pound squat, but maybe now your goal is to improve your mobility past a certain point or to be able to get into a position you couldn't get into before or to improve your stability, for example, or just maybe the challenges loving the workout for the sake of doing it. This is, and it's not going to stop. This journey is never going to stop. Jess, if you meet people in their 70s and 80s who've been lifting weights for decades and decades, I used to love it. Like, this is, and it's not going to stop. Like, this journey is never going to stop. Just if you meet people in their 70s and 80s who've been lifting weights for decades and decades, I used to love asking this question of those people because they would explain,

it would talk to me about like the different times their lives when they had to go through acceptance, they had to go through what they thought about exercise and how it applied to their life and how they grew from it. So you're going to run into many more of these challenges as you continue to do this, but you're going to grow the whole time. That's just really what the journey is all about. I'm going to tell you what I would do if I was in your exact situation at this part of your journey.

It reminds me a little bit of where I was just a couple of years ago as far as how I felt and what was on my mind. This is when I got heavily into the mobility thing. So I think this would be a great time in your life to become, I mean, you've been the strong, strong guy, the powerlifter, you've been the bodybuilder guy. Now maybe challenge yourself to be the, the mobility guru, you mobility guru and try and become that, or put your energy, your competitive type of personality towards improving your range of motion and joint health and stability and control and just dive deep into that.

This is what I would do. So that may not appeal to you. You may not, oh, I don't wanna do that, but normally that's how I felt too, which is what made me go that direction, is like, oh, I was resistant to it. that, but normally that's how I felt too, which is what made me go that direction is like, oh, I was resistant to it. I didn't like that guy. I didn't want to be that guy, but I'm like, I know the benefits that are there and how I ever really gone deep in that direction.

I feel like you're at a really good place in your life that that might really benefit you. The other thing that I would give as far as advice right now is this is when I find myself at moments like this in my journey, I like to find a movement or exercise that I've never really done or I'm not good at and go really deep on getting good at it. So what a great piece of example would be for me at one point, I remember I'd never really done a Turkish get up and then that became like this major focus like I'm going to get good at the Turkish get up and I'm just gonna break that movement up,

I'm gonna practice it and try and progress it over time and get really good at that. I've never really done windmills. Like okay, let me get really good at the windmill. Which encompasses also all the mobility stuff that goes into it and then also practicing the movement. And so instead of being hyper focused on the strength or my body, now I'm gonna be focused more on movement

and that allowed me to take my athletic competitive mind and shift it in a direction that was probably going to serve me at the place that I was in my current state. Yeah, the second part about what you're bringing up was what I was gonna get into even more. So like for my own journey, it was definitely, I've been in that same situation in place, where, you know, the workouts are kind of like, I feel like I've just done most of what I could do in terms of like trying to go for my strength gains, my PRs, like, I played sports, I grew up with

fitness as like a thing always. But then I started to find out a lot of unconventional lifts, a lot of tools out there like mace bells and Indian clubs and kettlebells. And there's so much skill to that. And there's a lot to learn in that direction. And really for me, it's always about like finding areas of discomfort. And so that could be in any direction of life. For me, it was obviously right here, right now, with me speaking, this was a huge area of discomfort for me. And I knew that there was opportunity for me to grow in this direction, and I didn't want to, but I did it

anyways. And this is just like sort of an ammo, you know, that I've found within myself of just finding those opportunities, either rising to them or avoiding them, but that's all things you can find within the fitness setting. There's lots of opportunity for that, whether it's mobility, whether it's learning a new skill, or you know, you obviously have done the bodybuilding thing, and there's different pursuits in those directions, but there's lots and lots of areas in fitness, in health

that you can kind of find. Like, wow, that sounds scarier. That's something I would never do. And I would lean all into that and just, you know, it may feel a part that was void, that made, you know, encompass more of a holistic perspective that you didn't have before. Yeah, and that keeps it fun. Yeah.

All of that keeps it fun the entire time because it's so fun to learn different things and to push yourself in different ways. So I love what you guys just added. Yeah, embrace the suck. Yeah, and it makes it fun. It really does. There's so many different skills and things you can learn in practice. And maybe you spent the first half of your lifting career trying to make light heavy weight feels light as possible. Maybe now you try to make heavy weight feels light

as possible, right? It's like this is another direction you could go. So, but it's it's going to be a journey. You're going to run to more of this as you continue to get older, but I hit that one right around your, you know, a couple of years ago too. I think we're all in the same age group. So. Yeah, yeah, it's challenging for sure. So like the one option with using catabels is not something that I'm not familiar with. I've branched off into using, you know,

I've always used kind of a hybrid method of training anyway. Like we use catabels and the proller sleds, whatever tool we have that is actually a decent training tool. Other than most of balls, we don't use both of balls at all because those are for scarbages. But finding new techniques and different ways to kind of like using resistance bands in combination with barbell training or dumbbell training is proven a fairly useful tool, I think, in terms of just trying to push the muscles harder, but not really push the joints of the sword. And I wondered if you guys had any like perspective on that type of like unusual training methods

for that type of thing. Well, have you ever, have you gone hardcore on suspension training before where you ran your entire program? For like Olympic rings. The Olympic rings. I got into that. Yeah, so one aspect that I'm gonna try to pursue

is getting more gymnastics type training. Yeah, there you go. Which is, you know, a whole great new thing for me in terms of, you know, just body weight, calisthenics and making just movements with the body heart. I feel like that combined with isometric training, combination of cables and bands and then, you know, whatever barbell or dumbbell move feels good, we'll keep that in the program and then just keep on development from there. So my kind of new mission right now in life is just to try to branch out and see what I can do for other people that are having the same issues and are kind of like at a stop

road. It's like, well, I used to be like super awesome and now I'm like super flat. And we got to build up without hurdles. Arthur Brooks talks about the challenge that people go through when they retire. It's just I think is applicable here where they go from doing to teaching. And those are the people that have the most life success. So people who do and then never go into teaching, they notice this huge drop off. But the people who do and then as they get older, they start to teach.

They find a similar purpose and meaning behind it. But here's what I want to do, because you have an exercise science background, you obviously know what you're talking about. I want to send you maps prime, because I think that's something that'll be interesting for you to look at. I'd love your feedback on it.

And then if you wanted something else, I think prime pro and performance would be too that might be valuable for someone like you. I would also consider symmetry for its isometric component, too That's a good point. I can't remember I bought a couple programs off you guys before but I can't remember the one mobility one I really liked that one that you guys had out probably probably prime pro or performance Yeah, but we'll say we'll send you one of those and and yeah, I'd love your feedback, but I appreciate you calling in Well, thanks for having me guys. I appreciate you guys you guys are doing great. Thank you

Progression it. Yeah, that was that's kind of like a all of us are going through You do I mean you stick to this long enough. I mean you got to have to learn a lot of lessons about Acceptance and you know what you know your relationship with exercise and your body and fitness, because you get older, things change, your life changes, and you can't just keep applying it the same way, and maybe your ego used to work before and now it ain't gonna work now and just get a learn. The silver lining is you're never gonna be completely balanced. There's always something to learn and to focus on that's different. You just have to do a good, you have to be very aware of like, okay, I know I hate doing this,

but I'm willing to get out of my comfort zone to now go in that direction. And the hardest part about this is dissolving the ego because we all tend to do this where we're getting camps and we identify as a... And you gotta let go of that. Yeah, it's a hard, it's very hard. And to me, the hardest part of that,

I mean, with his background and knowledge of it, that like, you know, doing all suspension trainer, all body weight or all mobility guy, I'm sure he has the ability to do that. It's less about, can he? And it's more like, will you? Will you put yourself in that position when you've become the body builder, strong guy,

and you've identified with looking away or being strong a certain way. And now you're gonna throw all that window and now become this super movement guy, a mobility guy, and maybe that was people that you made fun of before. And so that's a really tough place to go. But it's an unbelievably rewarding win when you push yourself in that direction.

You know, in the spirit of challenging yourself and growing, I the spirit of challenging yourself and growing, I think all of us should sign up for a marathon, that's what I think. That really makes me as good as I mean, a jazzer sized guy. I'd rather do jazzer sized than a marathon. We're Elliott Tards.

Our next color is Peter from Maine. Peter, what's happening? How can we help you? So, I'm training right now to for a professional soccer tryout that starts in December 11th, 10th and 11th. And so I'm 24 years old playing soccer pretty much all my life. I just finished your maps, anabolic, went really well, but I heard about the trial and I was like, okay, I think I'm going to start transitioning focus more on soccer.

And I have your Maps 15 program and I was debating on either starting that or doing Maps performance. I wasn't sure because of my busy schedule because I worked Monday through Thursday, eight to four. And I also want to be able to keep up with my soccer throughout this month as I also live and stuff, but my main focus is necessarily to get bigger, just kind of maintain. So most of my focus is on the soccer aspect of it this time,

but I guess my question is, should I do performance or should I do map 15 because I know there'd be three sessions throughout the day, Monday through Friday or Sunday and then from ask performances three days a week. So I wasn't exactly sure. Well, you know why? You know why I like this question? Because you're a high level athlete, obviously you're trying out for a professional soccer team. And when you work with an athlete of your level, a coach or trainer, the first thing they look at is,

I don't wanna do anything that'll mess this up. Okay, so what I mean by that is you're already performing at a very high level. And the bigger risk is that I have you do a workout program that actually takes away from your performance. Because you're already so finely tuned at your specific sport. I honestly think Mass 15 would be appropriate.

That would be a great idea. A great idea. I wouldn't add anything else to that. That's right. Mostly play soccer, and then Mass 15 is enough touching the weights that it'll... The right amount of stress is, you said you have busy schedule and everything else,

and it'll complement it well. We'll add too much to what you're already doing with soccer. So I think it's perfect. And by the way, we wrote that in a way. So it's a six day a week program, but we wrote it in a way that you could also like, push the two days together, like Monday and Tuesday could go together.

So if you find there's days where you're gonna play more soccer and a day like maybe you're off Like I might go I might combine two of the days on my off day and then take the day off of weight training on my soccer day So you could also kind of play with it like that So it's written in a way that you could make them into you know a longer 30 to 40 minute workout or you can make it in the the six short 15 minutes and I would I honestly like the short workouts I like the daily short workouts better. I think that the longer workout might be a little, honestly, I think it might not be as effective for you.

And if when you do do the workouts, do them after your, if you do play soccer that day, do it after soccer later in the day or whatever, not before. The only thing I would say is like, if you're gonna be able to pull and extract a bit from the mass performance would be the mobility day. Like maybe take one of those like per week just to kind of like go through the joint

integrity and make sure everything's moving and connected. But other than that, like just running the mass 15s, going to do you have you have you have performance already? Yeah, you say, no, he didn't say how do you say he was saying about doing it? I've dug send that to you. And you do have Matt's 15, right? Yeah. Yes, I do. So Doug's going to send you a performance. And the only thing I would add would be like if you want more stuff like prime pro, prime

or symmetry post soccer. And then symmetry post soccer where you're not when you're not in season. But yeah, really the big thing for you is Peter, don't, there's a big mistake that young athletes at your level make is they think, okay, now I'm going to go to the next level. I got to add a bunch more stuff to what I'm doing. And you would end up happening, you might actually reduce your performance. So really, like, what you've done has already got you to this point. So you don't want to add too much more. You have a little bit and just be more consistent. And that's about it. Adding a ton more, it's like,

you know, what's been working for you's been working. So you don't wanna go crazy with that. And it's different now, if I was talking to like a high school athlete, they just started playing sport, it would be totally different conversation, but at your level, like I said, it's like, we don't wanna mess anything up, that's the biggest risk.

Yeah, and so going back to what you're saying before, so you're saying, because right now, because of the three sessions a day, and I wanted to do soccer first, should I just do like a 30 minute session of soccer in the morning and then do my training lifting after? Yeah, sure. Okay. Yep, you got it.

After we hang out with you, you're going to hear sound, I argue about this a little bit too, so you can get a picture you listen to that because I don't know if I fully agree on the everyday and necessarily because if you have days off of soccer I personally would rather see you do a little bit longer. I can see either way. I really can see either way. Yeah, so I would go by how you feel. So I would take both of our advice on that. Like he's saying 15 minutes every day for the six days a week. I'm saying hey, if you have some down days of soccer or those days you maybe take off, I would go a little bit longer on the workouts and combine them and then take time off on some of the soccer days.

So try both and see what matters most is performance and soccer here. I care less about how strong or muscle you feel and all that shit, like right now, it's like you're trying to get at the professional level right now. So to me, if I'm your coach, I'm like, hey, how was practice this week? The way we trained, like, did you feel better on the field? Did you feel worse on the field?

And then I would let that steer me in the direction of how I actually... And then email us, let us know if you made the team or not. Okay, I definitely will. That way we can take the credit. You got it. Thanks Peter. Yeah, thank you so much you made the team or not. Okay, I definitely will. That way we can take the credit. You got it. Thanks Peter. Yes, thank you so much guys.

Have a good day. Okay, so you know why I said 15 every, I would have had you ask me that question a year ago, I would have said what you said. The reason why I said every day is when we had Sleshinger on the show and he talked about you know what, what's one thing you would have changed with your college training and what's he doing now? And he talks about these micro sessions and just frequent training in very short, like one or two lifts.

That's why I went the 15 minute every day. Well, to that point, he changed everything and ramping it up. Okay, so that would be fun. So Peter, if you're listening to this, make sure you do go back and listen to that episode with Corey Slesinger because that was such a good episode. Based off of that then,

and because he's doing three micro soccer sessions a day too, right, it wouldn't be bad for him to do soccer and then do one exercise after that. Do soccer, then one exercise. Another exercise. Yeah, if possible. If he's got access. I like that.

I like that. That based off of that information from Corey and to your point, then it wouldn't be bad to actually look at the week of all the exercises we have and actually go like this. If I'm doing three micro soccer sessions a day, then I'm just going to do like one movement after it. I'm going to train my soccer for 30 minutes. Especially with the suspension trainer.

You hooked that up right there on the field. Yeah, he blew my mind with that where it was like the opposite of what I would lead them in in terms of peaking them and then sort of like tailing it back off like in season. You know, as he kind of like ramps them up towards the end of the season. Yeah, but really it makes a lot of sense when you really think about it. I think another point I want to hammer home is at this level because if you're like a fitness person or a trainer and you're listening to us and you're like, what are you talking about 15 minutes a day, he's a high level athlete wherever. I'm telling you right now,

the biggest mistake trainers and coaches make with high level athletes is they mess them up. Yeah, totally. They mess them up. Like, that's the, and it's so easy to mess someone up, performing at this high level. Like if I snap my fingers and added five pounds of muscle on this frame, his performance would decline.

Cause he doesn't have the same coordination and skill with that bigger body. For example, you ask the average person, they'd say, oh, that would help them. Not really. So really what you do when you look at someone like that, you say, all right, what can I do? That's not gonna mess them up.

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