Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1948: The Many Benefits of Overhead Farmer’s Walks, Why Rest Between Sets is Important, the Value of Smelling Salts for Big Lifts & More

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: The winning mindset when it comes to fat loss, muscle building, and fitness, in general, can be summed up in the following...focus on what you can CONTROL and ACCEPT the things you can’t. (1:48) Storytelling is powerful! (13:48) The guys speculate on the future of gambling in sports. (24:59) Jake Paul is shifting the industry of boxing. (32:31) Manual transmissions save lives! (40:00) The benefits of red-light therapy for your skin and hair regrowth. (44:38) Boys and their trucks. (47:16) Yes, there is exotic shotgun ammo. (51:00) The one downside to wearing your Felix Gray’s. (1:01:19) #Quah question #1 - Are overhead farmer walks worth incorporating into my workout? (1:04:10) #Quah question #2 - What's the value of smelling salts? Are they dangerous? (1:09:48) #Quah question #3 - What is the best midnight snack if you absolutely can’t help yourself? (1:17:20) #Quah question #4 - I’m doing Maps Anabolic now. Please explain why rest between sets is important. After doing Bootcamp style workouts where rest periods are somewhat active (walking in place, jumping, etc.) between circuits, I’m not sure what “rest” truly means…..do I sit and do nothing? Or move around a bit? What is the goal? (1:23:10) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Joovv for an exclusive BLACK FRIDAY offers for Mind Pump listeners (Link active Nov. 25th)! Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! November Promotion: MAPS OCR or MAPS Cardio HALF OFF! **Promo code NOVEMBER50 at checkout** Training with Jean Jacques Machado Online and in Person Mind Pump #1115: The Amazing Adventures Of Tommy Caldwell, Star Of Netflix’s The Dawn Wall Watch High: Confessions of an Ibiza Drug Mule | Netflix Official Site Disney’s ESPN and DraftKings near deal as views on sports gambling change Watch Untold: Operation Flagrant Foul | Netflix Official Site Fans claim Jake Paul’s win over Anderson Silva was ‘rigged’ as video suggests knockdown punch ‘didn’t land’, but slow-motion footage proves otherwise The 10 Highest-Paid Boxers in 2022 Red Light Therapy Benefits & How it Works | Joovv The Real Bling Ring: Hollywood Heist - Netflix Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout** MAPS Fitness Performance Improve Your Overhead Press & Build Your Shoulders with Unilateral Kettlebell Carries – Mind Pump TV Visit The Cold Plunge for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for $150 off your order** Mind Pump #1612: Everything You Need To Know About Sets, Reps & Rest Periods Mind Pump #1237: Why Most Group Exercise Classes Suck Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Tommy Caldwell (@tommycaldwell) Instagram Jake Paul (@jakepaul) Instagram Jon Call (@jujimufu) Instagram

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Go to FelixGrayGlasses.com. It's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y glasses.com forward slash MindPump. Also all month long we got a sale on two workout programs. Maps OCR is 50% off and Maps Cardio is 50% off. So both programs half off. You can find both of them at MapsFitnessProducts.comcom Just use the code November 50 for the 50% off discount. All right. Here comes a show The winning mindset when it comes to fat loss muscle building and fitness in general can be summed up in the following Focus on what you can control and accept what you can't ignore the things you can't control and focus on all the other stuff I feel like that's advice for even for like financial health. That's advice for life. Like everything.

That's life. You get to play so many directions. But it's so important fitness, right? Yeah. So important fitness, it's like, what inspired that tip? What's your thought? It's what inspired that?

Yeah. God, let me think what inspired that. He had nothing else but... No, you know what it was? No, actually, you know what it was? I know what inspired it. I saw a post, I sent it to you guys yesterday. Someone did this post of like Brock Lesnar

when he was a kid and then grown up. And there was a picture of him when he was 16 years old. It was an absolute beast. 16, he looks like a pro bodybuilder at a 16 years old. Yeah, just crazy genetics, right? Crazy muscle building genetics. And I remember when I was 16, there was a period of time there where I was like,

really, it's like pissed me off that. You know, I don't have these crazy muscle building genes. I got over it real quick because if I didn't, I would have stopped working out. So that's what made me think about it. It's like, yeah, I've been working out forever. I always wanted to build muscle, all that stuff. I don't have, you know,

I don't have superior crazy muscle building genes. I don't have superior, crazy, muscle building genes. I have skinny guy genes or whatever, but I got over, accepted it and just moved on. And if I didn't do that, I think, I don't think I would have been able to continue to pursue fitness, I really wouldn't have. So that's what kind of brought that up. But I think it's so important,

because you guys know this when you get a client, clients that come to you with that winning attitude, they almost always do great. And then clients that come to you with that winning attitude, they almost always do great. And then clients that come to you with that, the opposite attitude, you have to change that before you can ever really make any long term progress. Well, I like that too because how many times did you guys get clients that would come in with like a picture too of somebody that they wanted to look like? And they're like, you look at them and you're like, oh, shit.

We can do a walk. Here's the comparison show. You look nothing like this person. You wanna know what I said to him? Six inch height difference, you know, waist to hip ratios with different, like just, not how they like just take like, their arms and they like,

it's like this Frankenstein approach, I'm like, I want this and then I want her butt. I want this person's butt, it's person's shoulders, this person's, I'm like, actually, I'll just get in the butt. I want this person's butt, it's person's shoulders, this person's, I'm like, I'll just get in the lab. I actually made a joke once to a potential client and I read him so I knew he would laugh, but this dude comes in and he's an engineer

and he's like, I wanna look like, and I remember when he showed me this picture of like this, like, look like a fizzy competitor, it's Jack, I said, look, I know you referred to me by your friend who said, I'm really good, I am really good, but I'm not Jesus. I can't perform miracles. I just started laughing.

It was a great start to our fitness relationship. You and Jesus. But this is super important because there are definitely things you can't change. For example, maybe you have a lifestyle that doesn't allow you because you have other priorities, right? That doesn't allow you to work out for an hour, five days a week, or maybe you have a new baby

and you just can't get optimal sleep all the time, or maybe you live in a household where you have to eat a particular way, or maybe you do have genetics that aren't optimal for fat loss or muscle building, or you're comparing yourself to other people. When you focus on those uncontrollables, those things that you really have no influence over, you are making yourself disempowered.

You're literally living in this kind of victim, disempowered state of mind, that will make this impossible. You're never going to be able to move you forward at all. Not only is it not making you move you forward, but it makes it a very negative, crappy existence. And eventually you'll quit because you won't want to be in the space anymore where everything sucks. So this is a very important state of mind to get into if you want long-term success.

If you can always find deficiencies, you can always find something that you can focus on that is a negative or it's something that's like, you know, well, it can talk you immediately out of pursuing a goal like fitness. Like you can, you can look at past history of health and genetics and you can look at, you know, body types and whatnot in your family and you can look at your friends and their experience when they went through this and then, you know, you can latch yourself

on to their experiences. It's just like, it's endless. What you can do, if you really start like going down that rabbit hole. So, be honest, how often do you guys have to have this conversation with yourself? Oh, you mean this is like being a human? You're constant.

You always have to. Especially the comparison thing, right? That's like, especially because it's so everywhere right now, social media, especially because it's so everywhere right now, a social media, like, internet and general, you can always find, you know, some example out there where you're like, wow, I could see myself kind of looking like that or like, I like what they're doing and you just sort of kind of get drawn into that. For me, even more than that, not so much in fitness anymore, but just in everyday life.

Like, okay, I can't work out my garage. It wakes up to baby. Okay, I got to accept that. Oh, the economy's not great right now. So these things I wanted to do, I can't do anymore. So, okay, I got to accept that. The weather, you know, your kids are in a particular mood or, you know, my son's gonna be going off to college.

That's gonna be tough for whatever. Like, all these different things, like like this happens every day, I think. But you have to have that mindset where you look at something, say, do I have influence over this, or do I have no influence over this in reality, and maybe I should just stop focusing on it. It's a stoic philosophy, and it's one that's, again, if you ask anybody who's successful, I think they'll echo something that sounds very similar. Yeah, I think the idea, or at least for me, the practice is to look at everything as it happens for you and not to you. Right, in life. Like, just everything is an opportunity for something good to come out.

That's just a mindset shift, that's all it is. Right. Whether it's true or not, doesn't matter. Right. Right. I mean, 100%. That's all it is. Yeah. Whether it's true or not, doesn't matter. Right. Right. I mean, 100%. I mean, no matter what, hard times are going to come,

no matter what challenges are going to happen, no matter what, you're going to fall. There's always going to be somebody who does something better than you, looks better than you, makes more money than you. That's always going to be there. So constantly getting in the trap of comparing yourself to others like that is just it's a losing battle. you're far better off looking at like okay, everything that does happen in life that it's like oh, it's happening for me, even if it's a bad thing and it's hard and it's like okay, where is the opportunity or the silver lining in the way there's great examples of people who've overcome.

of people who've overcome odds where in most situations, I think a person would say, okay, this is not possible, but the person accepted their limitations and went forward anyways, one person that comes to mind is a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner from Brazil who became a world champion. He's one of the legends of Jiu-Jitsu. His name is John Jacques Machado, maybe Doug can look him up.

He was born with a genetic... Is he like a thumb only in one hand? Yeah, you know who he is, okay, so he, in one of his hands was born, he was born with a deformity where he only has like a thumb and a pinky. And he did Gijitsu. This wasn't no Gijitsu, where you're grabbing the key. So essentially, he did Jiu Jitsu kind of one-handed and modified moves and positions to work with his hand

with the fact that he lacked fingers in one of his hands, became one of the best Jiu Jitsu fighters of all time. One of the most influential Jiu Jitsu fighters of all. And it's just one example, but there's lots of examples like that. There he is right there. So you can see where he is. Like what about the drummer from,

what's the call? Def Leopard. Yeah, losses arm continued being the drummer for great rock band. Yeah, or the famous rock climber that we had on the Caldwell. Yeah, last time, yeah, who, yeah, I mean his whole, he had, he had their justice entire climbing

because of it losing Didn't he lose like fingers? Well because of stories like this I always find it interesting that we just assume That being privilege is the advantage and I know that's not a popular thing to say because that we're in this time Where we're all the oppression Olympics who's more oppressed and it's constantly like everyone's a victim when we feel and like Oh my god, you have you have more privilege than me, but it's like, I actually think my experience that if I was more privileged growing up, I think it would have been a disadvantage to me. Now, maybe in the short term, it's not when I was young and I was coming up through

that, but the skills that you were forced to develop to get through those things have now played as an advantage for me later in life. So when I go back and I think about like, okay, well, this person was more privileged than I was growing up and I go, would I have rather trade places with them? Like, it's such a quick no, no, I wouldn't. Like, I see the skill sets that I had to build

and develop over that and I don't think I would have been an advantage had I been given so much more. And so it's funny to me that we just assume that, you know, being privileged, having more opportunity, having more money, having more success is necessarily the better thing. Because then you also see examples of suicide rate and drugs and things that are ultra wealthy. What makes everybody think that having all the money in the world, having all the privilege, what is actually a better life? Well, they have data on this, by the way.

It's like, once basic needs are met, you don't really get any happier or have more life fulfillment with more. But you're right, it's impossible to quantify because first off, what would be considered a privilege? Let's list all of them. So I could come up with literally, you know, a hundred off the top of my head from your height to how smart you are genetically athleticism, how pretty you are, whether or not you had

money, you have two parents, do you have grandparents that are live, where you live, I could list like a million and one different potential privileges and then combine them and then add mindset. Now here's where it gets really crazy because you just said this yourself and this is your story item. Your mindset turned your what would normally be considered disadvantages into advantages. And there's a lot of stories like that. Like for me when I had a really bad health care in my early 30s, that sucked. It turned me into the person I am today. The voice that you hear on the show today is started from that period. Had that not happen to me, I don't think I would be here right

now talking the way I do. So it's, you can't quantify it. You really can't compare yourself to other people necessarily. I think the key though is to, I think what you said was beautiful, like things don't happen to me, they happen for me. What does that mean? That means when shitty things happen and you go through it and you process it, you look at it and say, okay, what's the opportunity?

What's the benefit of this? What have I learned? Where can I grow from this? Otherwise, it's just hard. Like something shitty happens to you. If you don't turn it into something positive, it's just hard. Like something shitty happens to you. If you don't turn it into something positive, it's just shitty. So it's literally up to you to take this thing

and turn it into potentially something that could be good for you. Yeah, I don't know how you don't get competitive with yourself that like, no matter how, because there's plenty of people listening right now that had it way shitter than I do. And that was something that I pieced together too. It's like there's plenty of people

that had it way harder than me, that made it way further than me. So why would I ever wanna play the victim or feel sorry for me when I know, and this is true for everybody. Well, everybody in the worst situation out there count all the things that happened to you that were so bad, there's somebody else out there

that had it worse. There's always inspirational stories. That's what most of the movies consisted of with us growing up. People that overcame and defied the odds. And POWs, for instance, or somebody that was literally being tortured all the time and made it through because of their strong mind. And I feel like that's what needs to be propped and elevated.

You know, you just brought something up, Katrina and I are talking about the other night that I thought was interesting. We were talking about like the algorithms with like Netflix and the shows and the things that like the kids are watching today and stuff like that. She actually made a comment about not, she didn't want to finish Dahmer.

And I'm like, what, she want to finish Dahmer? I hate that too. We're in the middle of something. And I'm like, actually into it and she's like,mer? I hate that too. Like we're in the middle of something. And I'm like, actually into it. And she's like, no, don't you see what it's doing to our algorithm? And I'm like, what? She's like, look at all, look at all this stuff

that it's feeding us now that we are watching. So I'm so not motivated to even watch it because I don't want to be fed that. And I'm like, oh, that's an interesting, an interesting. Wow, you know what we just maybe think of is, so let's supply this to nutrition, since this is more along the lines of expertise. Imagine if there was a food algorithm.

So you eat chips or pizza or candy. It's like, oh, you like that. Here's some more of these foods that you're probably gonna like, right? What if there was an algorithm that you could pick that was like healthy algorithm? So you watch a depressing murder series and Netflix is like, okay, you pick the healthy algorithm, here's some uplifting stuff.

Instead of stuff like that. So I really love the idea of what Freeberg suggested for David Freeberg from the All-In podcast suggested for the Twitter algorithm future. I actually think that that might be the future of a lot of these apps that we have. As people become more savvy to how detrimental it can be to continue to feed yourself this type of content or information that maybe these platforms will be forced to create these self-regulating filters

that now you opt in. So I opt in an effort and I go, you know what, you know, minimize the murder, crime stuff, give me more, you know more overcoming adversity stories or adventure or this and that. And so you can then start to shift the content that is being fed to you because we're becoming more aware of that cycle.

But where I was heading with that, just that we started to talk about, is just, I do remember as a kid, like the hero story was so different. In fact, I don't remember, and this could be totally wrong, and this could be just my experience. But it seems that in the last couple decades,

there's more and more popular, and I'm guilty for liking these too, is the, and I forget the name of what you call these movies, where we make the villain the hero. Yes, anti-hero, or or yeah, what's that call? Like, yeah, it's not what it's called. You know, like, like, for example, and Disney even did that with like 101 Dalmatians, like they told the crew a devils story from her angle and you end up falling in love with the evil character,

the bad character like this is like breaking bad. And it's yes, it's a lot of these like, yeah, they glorify, I guess, that somebody that kind of like, goes from being kind of good and then like becomes this ultra villain. Yes. In a sense. Like I don't remember a lot of those stories as a kid.

They were, you know, you're good and bad and good, always prevailed over evil and that was kind of like the storyline as a child. We're now actually see, there's a lot of the heroistic story sometimes is the villain or the bad person. Well, I think that might be more because humans are very complex.

And so when they do that, it's not like they're taking someone, there's always an element where they're trying to make you understand them a little bit or like them a little bit for some, you know, from one other reason. Plus, you know, it's not real. So you can kind of like, okay, this is cool. But we're really, you know, humans are really complex. I actually prefer that because when you put people on a pedestal, like they're perfect, you know, it's like this is the conundrum, right? Because it is programming.

So we were programmed a different way growing up. Like that was something that we started to notice was like you're propping all these people way too high when they're actually flawed. Yeah, and so that became like, this isn't real. Like we were always trying to kind of find more real examples to kind of go on on to versus now. It's too real or it's switched kind of roles in terms of life.

Well, we've seen everybody fuck up, you know, and we've seen people lie to us like all the time. And so now we're getting all these like super exaggerated examples of that. Right. And we're not getting any of like the good behavior examples. And by the way, I'm not saying that it was necessarily better when we were kids.

I'm just saying it's an observation that I've made that like it's shifted. It's shifted dramatically. And I'm not saying one is better than the other necessarily, but I do recognize that that was not as prevalent as it is today. I wonder if that's because there were stories like that. It's just the difference was the bandwidth was so limited back then, like back then to tell us really couldn't come up with a really good exam. Well, so I'll tell you something, but one that comes to mind, but you know, back then if you want to tell a good story,

you did it in a movie in a movie typically last like two hours, right? So two hour movie. Yeah. If you want to take someone and develop this complex character that you hate and like at the same time, you need longer than two hours. The sopranos did that. It was one of the first series to do that. That's a good example.

And it's like, you know, if you told that story in an hour and a half, it'd be really hard to build that story. So I think the bandwidth is longer so we can tell stories. More books have done this for a long time because books tell long stories and comic books did this for a long time. Comic books. It's the classic Batman versus Superman. The people who like Batman versus people who like Superman, the difference is people

who like the Boy Scout, like the Savior versus people who like the flawed human who wants to do good but has also got that capacity for evil. Yeah, but that's punisher. To me, that's still different because they're still fighting evil both those characters, both the Punisher. To me, that's still different because they're still fighting evil, both those characters, both Punisher and Batman. These are people that like, we've now like the Jeffrey Dahmer story, like we've turned bad people into characters that we are putting on pedestals. There's a difference between liking Batman and the Punisher versus wanting to dress

up like Jeffrey Dahmer for Hollywood. I don't know, I think there's a clear difference between the way we've highlighted these characters too. I don't know, to me that's not a good example. We've dressed up as Freda Krueger. Serial killers have always had women writing them letters, love letters in the prison. This has happened for decades.

I think people are just fascinated. I would say most people don't like Jeffrey Dahmer. I'd say the vast majority of people say, no, I don't like that guy. But it's fascinating and it's interesting. But there's always the phenomenon of the sort of the person that's gonna mimic them, right? In real life.

Like serial killers win that story prevails. There's people that will repeat it. I tell you, there was a, international team of scientists that was pleading with Western nations. Please stop posting these killers names and specifics on what they did because they often write in their manifestos that that's what they want. They want to go out with a bang. And they said if you keep letting if you keep putting them out there in the media, we're going to create, you know, create more of these. You know the first time I remember as a kid,

the difference between the superhero, that was like invincible and like the regular guy. The first time I watched Die Hard, do you guys remember that? When you were a kid, when Die Hard came out, the action hero was Arnold. So Vestus alone, they were jacked. Like they could get hurt. They made him the divorce, the divorce dad smoking cigarettes.

He's got like a dad on. Yeah, regular dude. And I remember when I watched it, my dad rented it. And he's like, oh, I got an action movie. Cause I was young, I was probably the 13 or something like that. I'm like, oh, cool. I love action movies. And I looked at him like this.

Stupid. He doesn't look at roses. He doesn't have muscles and like, look at that. This is dumb. And my dad's like, I heard it's good. So I actually watched it as a kid. I remember as a kid that's shift that happened in my brain. Like as I watched, I was like, this is really good.

He's like, every day guy, you know. I could be a hero one day. He's saving the, what is it the building? Not gonna tell me you building, what is it? That'd be fun. Because at that time, it was all the opposite. Yeah, it was all great. By the way, bro, comic books were like this for a long time.

The punisher, you brought them up. He was not just a good guy. He was not just like, he was not a good guy. He was not. He would torture and murder and who was I. Yeah, but he didn't know to bad people though, right? That's his story. They were, but when you, but I know, I know. We're like the Wolverine. You applied the same tactics that it was just, it was revenge. Like it was like revenge porn. It was the opposite of like Superman who won't even kill the most evil person.

He like refuses to kill anybody. Yeah, totally different. Yeah, it's just these are fascinating stories. But I mean, I don't, and on, and like the whole point of me bringing the conversation up is just, it's more of an observation than it is me making like, it's sort of strong statement that this is bad or this is good.

It just, I find it interesting and then I wonder how much it affects just, you know, because it is stories. I wonder how powerful it is. Yeah, and that's, I guess that's my point to the program. I wonder how much is driven by actual, like, the audience that wants it versus, like, you know, what they're actually, like, subscribing to versus, like, what's actually being

promoted and pushed for, for our acceptance. Dude, I just watched a series on, I think it was Netflix, you guys will love this. It was about this young girl. It was, it's about drug smuggling. I can't remember the name of the series. And I guarantee it's popped up in your, I may have seen it, what about it.

Yeah, and you might not have watched it. So it's this Irish girl who grew up kind of poor or whatever, wanted to get out of town, get out of her town, her small town, family, 10 kids or whatever, wanted to get out of town, get out of her town, her small town, family, 10 kids or whatever. She saves up enough money to buy one way ticket to Ibiza. Goes to Ibiza, parties, has a great, super naive, like young, you know, girls.

Just like 21 or 22 or something like that, 20 maybe. And she's out there partying, meets kind of like the wrong people or whatever, some dude. She kind of falls for this dude. He convinces her while she's on drugs and parting whatever. He convinces her to, hey, go pick up some drugs for me. It's not a big deal, I'll pay 5,000 pounds, which was a lot of money to her.

Anyway, it turns out he sent her to Peru. She even knows she was going to Peru, ends up over there, ends up smuggling back a bunch of cocaine. It turns into this big thing because what they do with these big cartels do is they, well every once in a while give the police because they pay the police off, they'll give them a sting operation to make them feel better. So they got caught, meanwhile thousands of pounds of drugs are going through over here. So this innocent girl, not innocent because

she agreed to do it, but she's not even shit. Goes to a jail in Peru and it's fucked. She's like this. Like the worst, if you could imagine the kind of girl that would probably get killed in prison, that's her. Yeah, man. Anyway, she goes in there and she taught, this story's amazing. As she's talking about it and that they interviewed prisoners, after about a year she made this shift in mentality, exactly what I'm talking about, where she said, I decided to focus on what I can

control and ignore what I couldn't, and I accepted my fate. In the prison there, she made a hair salon, was able to make money, apparently the way the prisons run over there, that they allow them to run businesses if there's a... It's based on true story. True story. Oh, it is. This is true. Oh, interesting. She made a salon in there, made enough money to pay to get in front of the court again, to run an appeal and pleaded with the judge or after three years she was let out she was supposed to be in there for 16 years and became this like great success story. So totally reminds me of, you know, it's kind of a work time.

It's really really good. I don't know the name of it so maybe you know along the lines of narratives and talking about these big storytelling companies. Did you guys see the Texas and over to you guys last night about Disney and gambling and all that, so like that? Okay, so, so, what do you say rumors? What do you mean by that? Well, I mean, that's, I mean, I've sent over the article. There's articles about it.

The OBSPN. So I bought shares years ago. I don't know the OBSPN by the way. Yeah, they own the OBSPN. So I bought shares of draft kings and I bought shares of the bar still one pen gambling years just because I see what's happening with sports gambling and it's becoming while it was like huge no no forever and I know. And if you if you've been watching sports for the last decade you've watched the evolution of it being completely demonized for so many years to now well Yeah, the announcers talk about the spreads while they're talking about the game like that was never apart

sports and so and Disney for the longest time has refused to touch gambling like so they've been offered millions of millions of dollars to Put gambling on their on their cruise lines. It's very popular to have gambling on cruise lines Most cruise lines have gambling, but Disney boats don't. And they won't let them use their Disney characters on gambling because they recognize what it is, right? So I put it on alcohol or something like that, right?

But because they have their, I don't know if you call it their sister company or one of their companies that are underneath the Disney family, you'll offer ESPN is in conversations now with draft kings and working out some sort of deal. And that could be, you know, imagine the power that Disney has and stuff getting behind potentially the gambling, which is why I sent that over to you guys,

okay, just FYI, this was something that I bought years ago and it's not, I mean, it hasn't exploded yet. DraftKings, I think trades at like $16 a share, which is pretty low for right now, and if they actually pair up with ESPN, you'll be, you recommended we buy it. Yeah, maybe. I know it's a, I mean, I don't recommend anyone buy stock right now.

I think it's, I think right now is a really tumultuous time within the, both the stock market and real estate right now. So, you know, buyer beware, and then I'm not giving anybody stock advice right now. I'm just telling you what I personally did because I follow sports that closely. I also gamble, and so I think that these gambling companies, if they merge with sports and they start merging with some of the biggest networks out there, I mean, it's going to be like the, I don't know, it used to just be like a blatant like conflict of interest, right?

Yeah. When you're presenting sports, but then you're also like, you know, throwing wagers in there and commenting on them and like getting background information. I got two, two comments on this. One is for people who still think that companies are, you know, either good or bad and try to to be true as, like, no, okay. The whole reason why they didn't do gambling, the whole reason why they may do gambling

is because of the consumers. We drive. That's right. What the companies do, the companies job is to make money. They couldn't, you know how this got into it? Fantasy, fantasy football and fantasy sports exploded. Yeah, because that was like accepted gambling. It was.

It was something that, and it became so popular that ESPN and NFL network had to dedicate a Dedicate an Animal and a dedicate a a Channel of people that literally just want to hear the analyst talk about the fantasy picking who to pick up who's on the waiver wire Who's statistics that matter? Yeah, because yeah you said, Sal, we've demanded it. There was such a huge popular portion of the audience that was following fantasy sports. And of course, a lot of people gamble with it.

A lot of people pay like you put your money in the pot and then now there's money on the line with it. And so I think that was kind of the introduction of accepting gamble. So here's my comment about, or speculation, or I don't know, opinion. I'd love you guys, because you guys are much more,

especially you Adam, so deep in this, gambling has always had kind of a negative, I don't know, relationship of sports because of potential cheating, right? Boxing is the most common, most famous one, where boxers throw fights. It's true, but there's famous accounts in sports where a referee, you know, kind of makes a call that's really,

I don't know if that was good or not. Quite a few examples of that. There was a huge controversy in professional soccer. There's a great documentary on that right now. In professional soccer on the basketball. On the basketball run told. Yeah. Okay, so what do you guys think now?

Because gambling's always, you know, it's been a lot of money. It's had potential influence, you know, whatever. With all this new money flowing in, do you guys think that this is going to, that this is a stronger incentive for sports to be? Of course. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's ever, so there's a joke in the within my buddies and I that all gamble

so I call it the blue phone. And the blue phone is Vegas, that's what I say. I always say like, Vegas old. And that's, remember I told you guys a story other day where I was at the game in Atlanta right on the spread, like, there's times, so many. I wonder if they're looking at the spread.

They're like, I would say. Yeah, so we always make this joke that like, when it, when, I mean, some games are uncontrolled, what should happen. But then there's times where I feel like the game is so close to the spread that a simple time out or a ref making a call one direction makes it fall on the other side that easily.

Regular calls that you're just like, why would they do that? You've watched things before. You've watched NFL games before where the game is over and there's no, you would just kneel it out but then they kick a field goal but that field goal was enough to put it over the spread and Vegas was heavy on that side versus the other side and you go like dude come on I have friends are completely convinced so yeah there's you guys like you guys you tease me or do

you guys tease you guys but conspiracy there is I have a conspiracy theory around that that there are definitely times where Vegas makes a call and they have they have I don't know what's going on about conspiracy theory. I think it's just observing human behavior. I think it's hilarious that people just write it off right away conspiracy theories. All you do is pay attention to human behavior and where that ends up when money is an incentive. I think it's more than plausible. We already have real accounts of this happening many, many, many times in high-level professional sports, huge controversies. Courts got involved, people getting fired. It's happened so many times, you really think. When you watch,

actually, the one that Justin's referring to, the untold on Netflix, the one on the ref, I can't think of his name right now, but I mean, he did it for like, I want to say for like five, five, six years, and he was like one of the best in the game at it. And just by subtly, you know, making a couple calls, it's so hard to tell. And that can be pinning on them. It is, it's too, it's really,

I forget how he got caught too. I got to go back and watch it was a really good. Especially in a game like soccer, where they don't do replays or whatever. And the refs make the call. That's it. Yeah. Well, I think it's even harder and something like basketball There's so many points scored. There's always a like right now. Okay, so this thing did you replay in basketball? They do okay, but I mean like you you got you got two hundred something points a game or being scores That's two hundred opportunities for you to have some of the line right? Yeah, and there's so many calls It's like oh you foul them. oh, you know, you didn't.

And you can manipulate the clocks so easily, but it just there it is right there. It's right there on the whistle. Operation flagrant foul. Yeah. That's his name right there. Yeah, Tim Donahey. Yeah.

For years, bro, for years he got away with it and flew under the radar without people knowing. And so it's not hard to, and these are businesses, these are all money-making businesses. You, NBA, MLB, you know, NFL. Yeah, you're not talking about a little bit of money here, too, you're gonna want millions and millions of dollars

that are getting bet on these games. So yeah, to think that it's, yeah, unfortunately, I think it's being influenced already. Did you see that there's some people saying that, the fight, Jake Paul fight with, there's this video of when he knocked down Anderson Silva. Yeah, he kind of didn't even touch his face when he went down. Oh really? I see. I didn't. I see. It looked like he rocked. No, there was from another angle. Oh, it looks like he did. He like barely brushed across his nose and then he went down. Oh, man. So you think that the whole news? So the rumor came out. I don't know if it was true or not. This is again, I'm speculating on this. I heard that Anderson Silva was, you got knocked out twice by his sparring partners. See, look, Jake Paul's win over Anderson Silva was rigged.

Maybe if you click on that, there's a, you know, he made last year in boxing. Who? This is what I like to look up. Look up top 20 professional boxers income salary income for last year Jake Jake Paul made 40 million dollars last year and Batten in boxing what what's that place them? I don't know. That's why I'm curious. I have no I read that I'm like how much do he make oh yeah? Boyd definitely I mean

I'm like a hundred He got like a hundred. Right, right, right. But I mean, you're talking about Floyd Mayweather, right? Who is the one of the greatest. Most accomplished greatest of all time. So the fact that someone like Jake Balka come in and fight a bunch of bums and make 40 million, do you got me so mad if you're a professional boxer?

He's like number five. He's under five. Well, hold on. Well, he's basically Don King and he's on Yeah. He's like number five. Wow. Well, hold on. Well, he's basically done King and he's on everybody. Everybody at the same time. So we got, we got Floyd Mayweather. Number one. Anthony Joshua.

Two. Tyson Fury. Three. Deontay Wilder. Four. Those are all robots. And then Paul. Wow.

Wow. Wow. Top five boxer or dude, yeah, purses, just like that. That's insane. It's pretty incredible. That's crazy. It's crazy. I mean, it's, it is incredible because it's completely

shifting in industry. Yeah. That, I mean, that would never been done before. So for us to do this like this and then to see that it's going to, and I think what we talked about last time is what's most likely is I don't think it's gonna change the sport of boxing per se, like it's not gonna change all the how. It's just another, it's gonna be a new thing.

It'll be like the WWF of boxing. I think that you'll, and I think people won't give a shit. I think there will be enough people that follow these characters that go like, I know it's not the best boxing, but I want to see this dude fight. I mean, I want to, at one point, do we have our politicians getting really awesome? I would just be into that.

I don't care who wins. I just must see one of my friends. I get sucked out. Like get their ass kicked. Yeah. I'll cheer for that. There's already locked down. There's already lots of of these fight, like not leagues or competitions around the world

that are fucking weird. And because of the internet, they're making a lot of money. For example, the slap competition's big right now. Then there was one I saw where it was like to tie each other's wrist to each other. There was like this big chick, like this big woman. And she fought these two like small dudes.

So they like tried to jump on her and she's fighting a plot. There was one where they were fighting at Justin, I saw this. This was the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. Is it the phone booth? No, that was hell of a phone booth with my favorite. Yeah, that's great. Or in a car.

They're in a car and they fight each other. No, the craziest one ever saw, they literally had on full medieval armor and swords. Yeah, they weren't fake swords. Didn't they have platforms too and they'd like jump off? I mean, they were fucking each other up with swords and hitting each other with their shield. I was like, wow dude.

Yeah. What do you guys do? Isn't it interesting that like that it's how, I mean, since the Roman times, right? We've been since before. Right, yeah, even before. You're either in war or you're some form of entertainment of war. Right, you know, like,

I mean, sports is the mildest version of that, right? I mean, that's because we don't have to call CM to death anymore. Football is in boxing, you know, and I mean, still animals, man, like, we can't get, we can't shed that part of us. Is that what it is that that draws us to that? Is it is purely an animal is that draws us to that? Is this purely an evolutionary advantage? There's an evolutionary advantage

to having a level of that, right? Because for most of human history, if you had your tribe and food was scarce and there was another tribe, you had to have those guys that were like, I'm gonna go and fight them, because that's what helped us survive. So I think it's cool when it's controlled and there's rules,

which is our civilized way of taking these instincts, and not letting them turn into actual insane war, which we still do, although, far less than we used to. So that's, but I mean, look, let's be honest. I mean, we all got a lot of fights when we were kids. I hated him, but they were also exhilarating at the same time. I hated him, and then afterwards, oh, especially if I won, afterwards all got a lot of fights when we were kids. I hated him, but they were also exhilarating the same time. I hated him, and then afterwards,

oh, especially if I won. Afterwards, I was like, yeah, exactly. But what was interesting about it was, there was a mutual respect for the most part when I'd get in a fight with somebody, and we were done, and then we just kind of like acknowledge each other at that, okay, we worked it out.

I feel like there's so much less of that now. Nobody ever works it out. Yeah, that one document I showed you a long time ago, it was a knuckle that showed those Irish, uh, travelers. Oh, yeah. And they just, that's how they settle the rules. Yeah. They still like that. Yeah. I don't know, but they'll pick like a, like a family, like a representative from each family. And then they have rules. And they actually enforce the rules and they haven't fight. And then they, they bet money on it. And that's it. Is there anything from those, like, back way back in the times that you wish that we were more of today?

I do wish there was more honor in that kind of stuff. Because I could, you know, like, like, look, the way my grandfather and father grew up, it was rough. Like, my dad, he grew up real poor, insistly, and the police weren't really involved unless something major happened and half the time They were paid off by organized crime. So you kind of had to handle your own shit and People would fight and if somebody showed up with a weapon then the whole town was like that's not fair You can't so it's kind of like oh, it's fair. It's a fair fight. Let them do their thing and figure it out

That doesn't happen so much now, right? It's more like sneak attack, weapon shoot. And I think the whole, like your word is your bond. You know, that's like an really old principle that people used to share. And for some reason, because of the information age and technology and being autonomous, and the autonomy of it like not being

who you really are like having any any responsibility for your actions whether it's what you say, what you do like you know physically the thing is I just feel like we can we can just dismiss that a lot now and and be able to get away with just shitty behavior without consequences. We had societal pressures because towns were small. Yeah. So if you shook hands with the baker, you said that. Yeah, you shook hands with the baker and you say, I'll pay you and then you don't.

And then the town knows about it. You're a pariah. Yeah. Nobody's gonna do business with you. Yeah. We have to have like the law now and in, you know, actual signatures because I guess we're so big. Too big, yeah, you could rob a baker and then live in that town

and never get knowing what even know that you develop a reputation before. And then nobody wants to work with you, nobody wants to do anything with you because you're that coward, you're that person that back down of the deal or whatever. So, you know, speaking of bet, don't show me a car. Wow. Wow, we still got that good. It's coming. No, I never wanted so I could't show me a car. Some of you. Wow. Actually, we still got that car. It's coming. No, I never wanted to.

I could bring it up a little. No, no, no. We're almost there. We've almost arrived. We've almost arrived that I could buy a car as a fucking joke. You know what I'm saying? I'm still waiting for the bet where somebody has to get a tattoo or something.

Oh, God, that's crazy. Oh, that's crazy right there. I think a funny little clown car. That's a small piece of shit. I'm going to buy you a. a funny little clown car. I know I'm gonna buy you a little smart car and I'm gonna plaster your face on it or I will That's hilarious for this podcast it's we will definitely I will have you Hey, I lash speaking to cars cars, obviously this is going extinct,

but manual transmissions, right? So hard to find. So hard to find. My buddy just bought a sick Corvette and I asked him, I'm like, did you get a manual and he's like, no, you can make him problem. You don't. He's so lame.

Yeah, I got a list of cars here. The ultimate deterrent for getting your car stolen, right? That's what police will tell you. Yeah, they say if you drive a stick shift, no one's gonna steal it. I got a bunch, I got a list of cars getting your car stolen. That's what police will tell you. Yeah, they say if you drive a stick shift, no one's gonna steal it. I got a bunch, I got a list of cars that still offer manual. So there's a, like the super cars,

Porsche 911, there's the Ct5V Blackwing, the Cadillac, that's the way you guys liked. There's another pay, the Cayman GT4, Porsche Boxster. Then there's a Mazda Miata, that's a seat, too. That's what I buy by you. You can have it. I buy you a Mazda Miata. Hey, you make fun of me all you want buy you. You can have that one. I buy you a bunch of mjada. Hey, you make fun of me all you want.

You want it one of them. How would you buy that one? Just to take it and just wreck it. Yeah, I think that one was power-swipe. You would enjoy that one too much because it's convertible and stuff like that. I guess you would own that one. Smart car, make you a crazy kick in the

the Ceramaglottis. Super RZ. I mean, there's a few cars that, you know, Hyundai, a lot of, a lot of, yeah, very few. Yeah, there's a, there's a Honda Civic that they come, they come to S type R. Oh, the Civic Type R. Yeah, the type R type R. Yeah, they still have Volkswagen GTI.

I love Stick Shift. You know what though, back in the day, Stick Shift was faster than automatic, but they make the automatic timing so much better. Now it's actually faster. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You have to be, you have to be really good at launching.

I mean, I feel like it's kind of always been that way. Even when I had a stick as a kid, and my buddy would beat me a lot of times, he had, we both had the same kind of car, and he had an automatic, and I had the stick. And, unless you have, if you're really good at launching, you know, yeah, and that's spend your tires out, you spend your tires out, and then the automatic is gonna be.

You know, I was thinking a good way, if you're worried about your kid texting while driving by a mistake shift. Yeah. Cause then they got to keep their I mean, I actually some busy. So I learned when I was 14, I learned how to drive on a stick. And then my first two cars were sick. And I actually think that that has that now here's the where you have bring that back. Yeah, I mean, it makes you so much more alert. I remember I vividly remember the

like the first day of like learning to drive and and every and you're so focused as a kid doing the clutch and the shifting that I would like look down, maybe, maybe drifty, you know, like, hey, we were in on the country, right? So it was okay. I know cars coming here like that, but I remember that was every time I do it, I would like, the first time you get like stalled on a hell. Oh, bro. How nervous you're. You're the first time you drove a stick shift in San Francisco. Oh, yeah, I did that literally.

It was like three months after getting my drivers last. When I was in the high school, I would I would drive only in certain areas because there was there was a fact there was a grocery store in our town that was like down in this bowl. And I would never go there because I know that that possibility of, I would get stuck on this hill and you had to go out across this double,

terrifying, highway area. So it was burned out on accident. Oh my God, it was terrifying. Did you guys learn how to do it like the beginner way, right, with the handbrake? Is that how you guys learn how to do it? Oh, on the hill, yeah. Oh, yeah.

That's the beginner way. Oh no. So my dad said, look, I'm gonna show you this now, but you gotta learn how to do on the hill. Yeah. Oh, it's the beginner way. Oh, no. So my, so I, my dad said, look, I'm going to show you this now, but you got to learn how to do it the right way. But just in case you goes, when you're up in the hill, put it in, you go in neutral, put it in the, put the handbrake up and then start, you have it starting pushing, pushing, and then take the handbrake off. They take the handbrake off. Oh, yeah. No, I never did that. Yeah. Otherwise, you don't fall back. Otherwise, you do the half foot thing, right? Where your foot's on the, on the, you know on the break in the gas and the flesh.

You know, type of deal. But yeah, I went to San Francisco three months or so after getting my license. And I was just waiting to write this bro. Because the other thing about San Francisco is learning the one way streets. Like if you've never been in a town or didn't grow up like around,

I still can never turn left. Yeah. Without without navigation. I was following Katrina just, and she had Max's freaking, she turned down the one way that I come right behind her. I was like, just she had max as freaking she turned down the one way and then I come right behind her. I was like, oh shit, we're on the wrong side. I don't even remember where we were at,

but yeah, and if you're not familiar with that airway, I think we're in Oakland. If you're not familiar with that area and you don't know about one ways and San Francisco is all like that. Yeah. So Adam, I want to ask you this, just change gears here.

You have the most experience using the Juve red light for hair regrowth. It was a period of time there. Well, I actually wasn't, that was like a side effect. I don't know if you remember this, but I remember telling you, I don't know if we, I don't think we talked about it on air, but I was using it way back when for the testosterone

and psoriasis, but I remember telling you that I felt like I noticed my hair, and then it was you who came back and they told me that there was Research to support really good research, but I wasn't doing it for that. That wasn't the main I just had to I had the full panel and I would sit there in my like office chair And I cut the phone. Yeah, I totally would I would be like this on my phone Just come 20 minutes sitting there in front of it and then I remember like feeling my head going like I feel like I'm getting like the it reminded me of when I was messing with,

what's that, Bosley or what is it? It's like Monoxidil. Yeah, I remember I would feel like this, like peach fuzz growing back when I was trying that. So the best research on red light therapy, like the most, like the strongest research is for skin, like how it makes your skin look, like with wrinkles and healing, and hair.

Hair regrowth is like, definitely, definitely, definitely works according to the data and the research. So the reason why I'm bringing this up, so Jessica had, she made these photo album books. Really nice, right? I don't know if you guys know you can do this. You can get, because everything's digital, you send your picture, there's a website you go on

and she puts the pictures on like this book and they print it and mail it to you. It's really nice. It's really nice. Yeah's a Shutterfly. Yeah, Shutterfly. Okay, so I saw, I told her I was just the 90s. Anyway, we have them from my...

It's crazy technology. There's a box, right? Yeah, it's a good thing. Guys, there's this box, you hit a button, and then you see things, but it looks like there's people inside, but they're not really in there. I checked, I opened it.

Dude. So anyway, we got all these like these photo books all the way back from 2016, and my son Aralius loves them for whatever reason. The other day I went to the bathroom real quick and then he was real quiet. I went, oh, you have a two year old and shit gets quiet, usually that's bad news. Anyway, he's on the couch and he's going through the,

oh, cute. So I go and I look at them with him and I hadn't looked at them, like really looked at them, and my daughter comes home and she goes, wow, look how much hair you had, dad. Oh, oh. Oh, okay.

I'm like, I know what's happening slowly. Okay. Maybe, so I'm gonna start using it, I think, on a regular basis. Oh, there you go, dude. To try to, I know. I actually love the skin, like, I feel like, and I can notice it right one time,

one time of doing it, afterwards your skin looks like it's glowing, it almost looks like I was in a, like a tanning bed for a few minutes. It's what it feels like afterwards. So it's got a different, speaking of my son, he turns to today. Today. Yeah.

That Uber did it. Bro. Hey, so what is, I'm meant to ask you this, because yesterday I was playing with my son and we were, he has this huge dinosaur book. He absolutely loves. So I'm meant to ask you this, because yesterday I was playing with my son and he has this huge dinosaur book he absolutely loves. And I was trying to remember, I was thinking about your son because I knew his birthday was coming up

and I was like, you know, I wonder if a really says getting into dinosaurs yet because I remember Max was about one and a half and he became infatuated with dinosaurs. Is he into dinosaurs and you were into dinosaurs when you were a kid? I was huge into dinosaurs and sharks. into dinosaurs when your kid I was a huge into dinosaurs and sharks

He likes cars trucks and buses. Yeah loves them loves them So when we drive when he's getting like and seeing the back seat I open his window and I'm like look at truck look a bus look and he just loves it It's his favorite thing to do. Oh, his favorite day of the week and this is just perfect out work So today's his birthday, it's also the day the garbage truck. Isn't that funny how kids love that? They love it.

My buddy Chris, who I'm talking to, he's there, like he has to go up there out religiously. That's like, he's like, he's trained his son on what days. And if he does it, his kid will flip out. So he has to go out there and they have, they live like in these townhouses and he's gonna let the trash guy get all the trash cans and the kid wants to just sit there and just watch. Oh, they honk at him. So that they know him now and they hon, they live like in these townhouses and he's gonna let the trash guy get all the trash cans and the kid wants to just sit there and just watch them. Oh, they honk at him.

So that they know him now and they honk at him. So, you know, part of it, I'm like, wait a minute, honey, are you out there with him? She's like, yeah, I'm like, hmm, the garbage guys, honk. So, Katrina, it's so weird, right? So, Katrina and I were talking about this. Woo, and I had, I was into semi-trucks. That was my thing.

And I, so I remember I had this, you know, what's the brand, Doug probably remembers this brand. It's a tonka. No, no, no, no, no. Semi, like the diesel truck. No. No, the orange ones that take people's furniture and stuff like that.

It's called, it's all orange and then it has like like stripes that go run diagonal on it It's it's a company. It's been around forever. I know you guys know it. No, I can see it now Yeah, I cannot believe I can't think of the the new by the toys of that. Yes And it was like and as a kid I knew I didn't know until later as an adult what that toy was I remember seeing like these moving trucks all the like, I had toys of a moving truck of a movie. That name is that. How late was that?

I had no idea what it was until way later. Oh, I was in the same thing. I mean, with like, concrete, brown orange and yellow in the truck. Brown orange and yellow, and it's a, and it's like,

John Deere tractors and everything. I was into the big, like, earth mover ones, you know, the big constructors. What are those called? There's a, and it's a, and it's like John Deere tractors and everything. I was into the big like earth mover ones, you know, the big, those constructors. There's a name for those. I forgot. Like a you, a you, it's actually you. I thought it was called an earth mover. They're like a dumb truck, but they're like way oversized.

I, so I just looked up orange truck toy and it don't look toys, so it wasn't like a normal toy. That's, it was like a moving company. And I had the, I had their, their semi truck that I played with forever. It's gonna drive me crazy Yeah, we got to find out with orange moving company. Is it Penske? Oh, I think it is Penske Let me see what it looks like. Can you show me? Let me look it up right now. It's gonna drive me crazy. I have to be really important. It might be Penske, dude Yeah, I think you're right. It's like orange orange brown and yellow colors. Yes. Yes. Oh no, or is it hurts?

Allied no, it's allied. Oh allied right here I guess I I put up moving tricks that are orange it was like all over I'm your phone listens to you and does like Yeah, it's allies. Okay. Oh, yeah I remember that one and it has like this my grandma might have still have it somewhere I'm gonna give it to your boy. I just think that's hilarious that it was like, I was hardcore into that toy that I can remember all the way back to almost his age of playing with toy.

Is that your favorite toy? It was. You know, my favorite toy was? You guys remember, this is back when it was cool to play with toy guns, which I still think is cool. But this is not Brown, this is black. It was out there. Okay, do you guys remember those toy guns

that shot the discs? Yeah, that was my favorite. That was my favorite because the discs kind of hurt when you hit them. Yeah, they went down. So it was fun to shoot. But I think back at guns that were actually cool as a kid that act,

cause you remember the kids who used to some of the guns were just like lame. Yeah, you wanted to actually shoot, you shoot it, you're, you're like especially water guns, like if you had the ones were just like lame. Yeah, you wanna actually shoot, you shoot, you're, yeah, do like, especially water guns, like if you had the ones that are like these plastic, it had the little, like, you had to like, fill them up upside down and then plug it in,

it like only would shoot out this far, and then super-soakers came out. Never when I brought that guy up, the engineer or whatever I thought that patented that, and made bejillions of dollars off of being the super-soaker guy. I use the water weini before the super super. Remember that thing?

I do. I do. I do. I do. And until it breaks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. but you know, he liked it. So this is, by the way, I don't know. I think this is like an old school Italian thing because I've seen memes about it, but they all like to wash their yard with their hose, just washing the front. Let's like wash it off. Yeah, but anyway, this is really long hose. So when we'd have big water fights in the neighborhood,

I'd come out with this long-ass hose, look it up. And I could cover like two or three houses with that. Yeah, but you wanted to find like any kind of little weapon or something that hurt just the naff. Yeah, even if it was snap and pop. Otherwise it wasn't fun. Yeah, we would take our shirts off and throw snap pops at each other and they would like explode.

Yeah, and there's no consequences of getting shot. It's not that it's not that fun. It's stupid. There has to be some consequences. Which is why I think paintball and airsoft ended up in a way. Airsoft went crazy now and I get it. Yeah, that's why I was like a little apprehensive about it for them like I totally get it.

I would have been into it. Speaking of weapons, did you guys know that shotgun ammo can be made into crazy, exotic, weird shit? Did you guys know this? Well, you just brought it up and Google my mind. Exotic shotgun ammo. So what?

So I didn't know this until a while ago. I was on YouTube and there was this dude that was like testing all these different. Now I'm familiar with like a slug, right? That's like a big one big butt shot. There's double-op, right? Which is the balls, like a few of the balls, heavy balls, there's bird shot, I mean.

And then there's like variations of each. I thought that was it. No, no, apparently there's all kinds of crazy different types of ammo. One of them is called fire's breath. We're literally shoots out flames and they'll have like a dummy and they'll demonstrate it and you're like, you could set someone on fire. This shotgun shell. There's another one that's called a legal. Yeah, well, not in California. Nothing's legal here. Yeah. But in some states, there's one that's called a- Are they legal? Yeah, well not in California, nothing's legal here. But in some states, there's one that's called a fleshet round

and it shoots little spears. A hat of the shell. That's crazy. There's another one called the Bolo round. It's got two lead balls with like a wire connecting them. So you shoot it and it's just like spinning it to a f**king like an empty hood. Oh my God. Yeah, I cut into you. Yeah. It's just they're wild crazy rounds. There's a home called the 50 Cal BMG. I wonder what would be

them. I would think the buck shot would be one of the best for home protection, right? Well, so there's a lot of controversy over that. So buck shot definitely, especially if you're at relatively close range, each one of those hits with the force of a 9mm or close to, right? From what I read, someone's going to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure, but it's like devastating, right? A slug, especially at close ranges, like, let's say a cannon. But you've got to say for home defenses, they say that you got to be careful because that goes through the walls. You know, so I've heard arguments for people who say use bird shot,

but bird shot's not gonna really kill anybody. So when I read this article on this guy said, when you load your shotgun, the first round is bird shot, the second one is buck. So the first one's like, boom, and this guy keeps coming at you, not scared, and you hit him with the next one. Oh.

Yeah, type of deal. But that's too much thinking. Yeah, I've heard arguments, but I mean, in terms of like you wanna have a lethal, if you're gonna be shooting somebody, you want it to be lethal. You know what I'm gonna say? That's what I'm gonna say.

Otherwise, you're giving them the opportunity, then you shot me, now I'm gonna kill you. It's just like, what are we doing here? Yeah. You should shoot somebody with a frickin' a workshop, but shoot somebody. Yeah, it's true. You know, what are we? What are you even doing at that point? Yeah, it's true.

Yo, I mean, I get your point. I get, but I feel like if someone, if someone, some guy, let's say creeps in and he's holding like a nine millimeter, so that I come around the corner with my bird shot. You're fucking blast. I'm pretty sure you don't drop the gun. You're pretty sure he'll drop the gun. Am I or am I not? I mean, he has a leather jacket on. And it's not going gonna go through the leather jacket

He'll be it not birch hot It won't go. Are you sure about that? Yeah, the thick leather jacket that ain't gonna go through. Oh, wow, okay. I didn't know that I thought I thought I would we got you know We have gun enthusiasts all the way either crazy either I know dude It's for like you know, I don't fuck you Go get your own show. I hate the I hate what I, we, I can't talk about MMA, I can't talk about any, because there's always some extra in your lane.

There's always somebody expert online. Well, so, my, go start your own podcast, talk with your buddies. So my sister's a long time boyfriend. You have a podcast. No, we listen. So my sister's long time boyfriend. He's a, he was in the military for years.

He's a police officer. I had this conversation with them about home defense and stuff like he said, the most important thing you need to consider when you buy a gun for home defense is that you're super well versed in it. You practice it so often that under states of extreme stress or duress. He was kind of calm and said that you can handle it. Actually a lot of people on thinking that. They think, oh, I got this gun, but they're not so like he says you got to be so comfortable with it. You could do it in the dark eyes close like it's like it's like it's like buying a freaking supercar but not being

on a driver well it's like kind of common sense to me well worse than that because you fall back shouldn't buy the thousand horsepower if you can't drive it he said if unless you're gonna practice all the time all the time he says a revolver a classic revolver is pretty good because it's hard to mess up there's not like a savior to load yeah they're they're not a safety or whatever, it's there, and you just pull the trigger and it's still good.

The only thing that they say, huh? He said that because guns have safety and stuff, and if you're not super well versed and you're stressed out, and you point and you're not doing the safety right or whatever, I mean, the guy could take the gun from you, and then you're, especially if it's your wife, right? With the revolver, that's it. That's why the biggest thing I think is being able

to aim that thing, man, especially with the kick on a revolver and stuff like that. I would be like, That's why I think the good shotgun is like the way to go. Well, he said, he actually told me, not likely to miss. I asked him with the shotgun and he said that, he has lots of stories of when they cock the shotgun,

the guy leaves. Yeah. Not in front of you, he's like around the corner and you have the the gun, you know, I've heard that. I've heard that that's why it's one of the best is literally just because the fear of like, you know, they know like an intruder knows that too. If I'm an intruder and I'm carrying a nine millimeter,

like the thing I would be worried about is that someone carrying a shotgun. Do you guys have a buddy? I think everybody has a buddy like this. Do you guys have a buddy that's like way over-prepared? Of course. Like what are you doing, bro? You're not going to get attacked by the cartel vision and just like all the tactical gear.

I'm like, dude, where are you ever going to use it? You imagine this burglar bridge? You know, it shows up around the corner with night vision. What is it? Get the right angle. It's like that. What is it? And how does it end up like the like statistically? Does an intruder normally have a gun?

Do they normally end up wrestling with the owner? Does it normally turn into a knife type of fight? Does it normally turn into just a physical altercation? It's rare that an intruder will break in when you're home. It's very rare. Yeah. That would be a dog. That's what they do.

And then when they do, how often are they conference? Do they create the confrontation? They usually want to get out. Right. They don't want to get caught. Right. So if you're getting, if you're getting attacked, that's part of that what they confident, do they create the confrontation? They usually want to get out. They don't want to get caught. So if you're getting attacked, that's part of what they want to do. They've been stalking you to attack you, basically.

But it's rare, it's actually quite rare. Usually they go in when you're not home. You know what the most common time, because everybody thinks that night, everyone's gonna break in my house at night. It's not middle of the day. Is that true? Yes.

Really? Because everybody's at work. Yeah, that's the thing. Like you just got to pay attention to people that are constantly kind of driving around your neighborhood. Because a lot of times they'll just be there scouting, picking up patterns. So that way they know, like when you leave for work, and we're pretty predictable. So where my business is? We make it so obvious now with apps. Yeah. You check into a restaurant across town and you're done looking at your Facebook. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I my more

my business was in Los Gados, this is a very wealthy part of the Bay area, like one of the richer towns. That's where I had my wellness studio. There was a period of time there where there was just like rash of home burglaries. And these are like really nice super wealthy neighborhoods. And it was like a it was like a gang. And they'd scope out these houses. They'd figure out when people weren't home, they'd know where to look and what to get or whatever. And there was like four or five of these break-ins

that happened within a year period. It was like a big deal in the town back then. What was that documentary that just went out with the two kids that were robbing all the famous people and stuff like that up in the highway with Hills? Was it like Paris Hilton or... Yeah, they were hit in Paris Hilton. I brought that up on the show and I'm not talking about that, I was like, what was it? Like Paris Hilton or? Yeah, they were hit, they were hit. Paris Hilton, I brought that up on the show

and I'm not talking about that. That was like, that was super interesting to me too, that they were like, they got away with that for like years. Yeah, because they were just do like one item at a time. Yes. And just, it was real expensive, but they just didn't feel it because they lost it. They thought they, they thought they lost it because it was like,

oh, she'd come home in her purse at thousands of dollars With that is cash and so they're gonna keep track. Yeah Oh, they were they were disciplined they had she had like a safe full of like you know hundreds of thousands of dollars of jewelry But they knew better than to take all of it and they would just pluck one or two things yeah one or two things of value And just keep getting it out of there and they just they got away with it for you know that reminds me Do you guys remember that plot that's the bling ring all the bling ring by the way The one I talked about with the girl got caught smuggling the drugs was called high. It's a great guy. Yeah, I agree to you guys remember that plot and maybe that plot I think it was Superman 2 or 3 I remember where there was like a computer program that would take like fractions of a cent of each

Transaction. Oh, yeah, that was also an office space. Yes, that doesn't say that was the other fuck up with the death fuck point. He did he fucked up the math, right? Is that what he did? He meant he fucked up the death of a boy. So much. Yeah, that's such a good movie. Oh, it's like, oh shit.

He waged up the next. I'm gonna be somebody's bitch. So good. All right, we're supposed to mention Felix Ray in today's episode. I do want to say one downside to Felix Gray. I don't know if you guys have noticed this. Do you guys ever put them on at night to watch a movie

and you can't finish the movie because you start to fall asleep? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one thing. It makes you tired. Okay, so that's why I have. So they have their day time and they have their nighttime. And there is a clear, which is folks.

So I actually can get a time and outright. So I can see the day, like I don't know if you guys do this now, because I actually have like three or four pairs. And I have the time and out right. So I can see the deer, I don't know if you guys do this now because I actually have like three or four pairs and I have the days and the nights and I have the same frame and one, same style in these two. And sometimes I make the mistake

and I put the nighttime ones on because unless you like really look at the lenses, it's hard to tell because they're not colored or anything like that. But I do notice if you go back and forth you can see a difference Yeah, so there's something that that that that night time is it's way more thicker So the day when I'm watching TV it has a different like my eyes receive it differently And and if I got it on for 30 minutes at night like 9 10 o'clock at night. It'll make me drowsy That's it 30 minutes I timed it. It's 30 to 40 minutes.

Drowsy. Oh, good night, night. So the day ones block the dangerous blue light, but allow some blue light in to keep you invigorated. So use it at work in front of computer, and I can fall asleep. Which is cool, and this is how I do it, is like, so if I don't want to fall asleep,

and I'm still working on the computer, so I'll put the daytime ones on. Right. And it won't make me drowsy, sleepy. Now, if I'm watching TV to wait, sometimes we do this, like Katrina, it's 9, 30, 10 o'clock and we're like, oh, we're still a little awake.

Let's wind down while watch TV. And I really don't care if I start to get drowsy. I'll put the nighttime ones on and then by, it's like 30 minutes of watching the show. I'm like, great. I can't get past 30 minutes. I start, oh, I don't know. Oh, it's these glasses.

No, they work. It's super effective, for sure. I'm glad you went that route because I was just gonna say, you don't have to have like a man bun to where it's great. Which is great to get the benefit. Why would you need to be?

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First question is from Jason Snurb, our overhead farmer walks worth incorporating into my workout. I feel like that's a made up lesson. Yeah, I had a lot to do. I wanted to see it. What problem we do that in? Do we do that in performance,

or do we do that in strong? We did it in performance. Yeah. So first off, overhead holds, isometric holds are extremely valuable. They're extremely valuable for stability and function. So it really makes you stronger in that particular position of a range of motion.

Strength and control. Yeah, but talk about the why that is in in comparison to many other because we okay Enrange emotion strength is important for all muscles and joints, okay, but In particular that one is it is even more valuable in my opinion because of how many people lose the ability to even Extend their arm up next to their ear and above their head. And a lot of people when they do overhead presses, don't hold that top position very long, don't fully extend. Can't even do it. They can't even do it.

We actually had body, but we had like a high level pro-Z competitor. Pro-Z-Z-K. Yeah, do some exercises for some of our videos. You had a tough time fully extended, because you never trains in that particular way. Now, from a muscle development standpoint, anytime you address a muscle development standpoint, anytime you address a weakness

in a particular muscle's ability to attract or have strength, you're gonna see improvements. And that's an area. I had tremendous benefit from doing this. This is when I first met you guys in Justin. I think we all worked out together and he had us do these overhead kettlebell carries. And I was really bad at them.

I found, I was like, my God, I'm really fatiguing. So I incorporated it in my shoulder workout. I would do like one set. And my overhead press has got stronger. My shoulders got way more developed. I got more stability. So I think it's super valued. It doesn't cause a lot of damage either.

So it's really cool. You can just add it to your workout, not cause too much damage to the workout. Well, there's value to different methods of training, but I feel like strength athletes, like really, this is something that is massively beneficial in terms of like compartmentalizing different parts of movements and lifts, and really focusing in on some of those weak points.

And so having that extended range of motion that's a lot of times like you had mentioned, like people don't go to that full extension. And for some reason out there too, it's some people are afraid to do that, thinking that it's gonna be harder in their joints and bad for their joints. I'm glad you said that,

but you'll say it's the elbows, right? Oh, I protect my elbows. You don't straighten your arm out and lock it so that it rests on the elbow joint. You have to maintain tension. Muscle tension. Yeah, so controlling it. You don't set your arm out and lock it so that it rests on the elbow joint. You have to maintain tension. Muscle tension. Muscle tension. So controlling.

You don't set it on the joint. That's where you can cause problems. You have to hold it up there. Yeah. So it's definitely, there's definitely, you know, technique to it and being able to learn how to pack your shoulder correctly. So that way you distribute the force appropriately. So it doesn't sit and rest in the joints of a shoulder and in the elbow.

So yeah, so it's, I mean, in terms of all of that, you see that that then translate when you go to do an overhead press with a barbell, like how much more strength is now applied because you don't have any of that instability or uncertainty that's feedback bringing it back to where like you start losing force production. So if you don't feel like you're familiar with that portion of the exercise, you lose a bit of force. So I would do these to start my workout. So if someone's asking if you don't have maps for performance, you're not following one of our programs and you want to program it into your program, it would be like a primer for me. I would do one to two walks back and forth. Have you ever done at the end?

I have, but why a crazy pump when I do this? So why I like it before though, especially if I'm doing a full body routine or I'm definitely doing upper body stuff when I get into my shoulder pressing and my chest, waking up all those stability muscles in the joint have served me time and time again in bench pressing. Like for me, bench pressing is really common to feel like a little bit of quick clicking or just my shoulders not staying packed and down. And when you do that exercise to prime and warm up,

it really wakes up the shoulder and all the stabilizers in the shoulder. So then when I go in to do like a heavy loaded bench, I feel very locked in and secure, whereas if I don't prime that really well, then I don't feel that. So I like it personally. Now someone may ask, well, why the walking?

Why the farmer walk? Why not just hold it in place? You can just hold it in place. You don't have to walk, but walking adds an element of instability. Because you're moving, you also to really like emphasizes your your core stability and control with your lower back. Because like what we're doing is that's a weak point. It's a massive weak point for anybody that's doing an overhead press. And

so this is a way to address that in a more challenging environment. Another reason why I love it as a primer is doing it first, because you also have to stabilize your spine and draw on your core. And that's such a huge element to being good at bench pressing and overhead pressing is getting that all to work synergistically is to be able to brace your core like that,

pack your shoulder in that position, and then press. Primes that really well by doing that. So it sets you up to bench and overhead press really well. Next question is from Halo 2 made him nauseous. What's the value of smelling salt? Salts, are they dangerous? You guys don't have a ton of experience with them, right? Just a little bit.

Can I comment on this name? You know that actually happened to me. I think it was Halo 2. Did I talk about that on the podcast? Oh yeah, that's been a lot of fun. Is that like a jab, right? But be right there. I don't even know. Yeah. So I stopped playing video games around Halo 2 because it made me it made me nauseous. It made me dizzy. And so I no longer. Oh, wow. I wonder if he's fucking.

I don't know. Jumpy. I can't remember if I brought that up on the show. You did. Did I years ago? I talked about that because I used to play video games all the time. That would be a hilarious, that's a nod. But I stopped playing video games because I would get nauseous because the one player still weird. I wonder. So you guys have some experience?

You've used it before I lived? Oh, he art of using the smelling salts for bench. So it was weird because I hadn't done it before and I was feeling good that day and I felt like I've already got like a bit of a PR and my friend was just like, you know, I feel like you have more. I feel like I'm like, what are you talking about? Like I just totally expanded all my energy in this. And so he cracked open one and he was like, I want you to hit it right after this. And so I did, whoa, the powerful, it was like the most powerful ammonia,

like just got that hair on my arms like stood straight up. And it was this weird, like it almost felt like when you see in the movies, like your pupils just like, boop, like everything dilated and ready to go. And it was like a super focused lift. And that's really how I can describe it. I try to look up studies to see if there's studies on it. And it does.

To support it. It does, it does boost one rep max strength. Of course. It's a physiological stimuli. So it's like a, it sets off your CNS a little bit because it's very, it's a strong hit. Like you smell it and it's not a drug, so it doesn't have like drug-like effects,

but because it's got this kind of irritating effect in the nasal passages, it accelerates heart rate and makes someone feel like they're more aroused, right? You know, well, they used to use them right to wake people up that were knocked out, right? Yeah, like you just, so that they talk about like, being very careful to use them right to to wake people up that were knocked out right yeah Yeah, like you know that they talk about like live them being very careful to use these so these to this is sports and people get a concussion They get a concussion. They have them to smell a spot go out there and play. Oh my god. It's just masks The yeah, that's what they said. It's very dangerous because it could mask the issues. I mean I throw in the category of

Squat shoes belts I throw in the category of squat shoes, belts, no, it's way less useful than those things. So, you can use all the time. Well, that's my point. I can't imagine it being good. It's like way down the drain. That's my point. I throw it in the category of tools like that that I definitely feel, I've hit PRs using smelling salts,

but I don't wanna get in the habit of having to use a smelling salt every time I go to lift heavy in the gym. Same as I don't wanna get in the habit of having to use a smelling salt every time I go to lift heavy in the gym, same as I don't want to get in the habit of having to use a belt or use a strap every single time I lift heavy in the gym. So I think it's a fun tool to play with to get a little more out of a lift every once in a while, but something that you do not want to find like that's part of my routine. I wouldn't program it. I would just, yeah, use a for fun. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't know. So and that's what I mean by putting it. I would just, yeah, use it for fun. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't know. So, and that's what I mean by putting it.

It doesn't mean that I mean that salts will get you more than a belt. You know how they use the smelling salts every time they work out. There's guys that do that. They're not lifters there. Like even power lifters. You know why they shouldn't use it every time?

You wanna save its efficacy for your math and maths. I use smelling salts, so I use it the most. I've seen guys use it every time for their top-end set. Every workout? Yes. Every end on their top-end set. It's in their bag, and when they get to the top-end, it's that last-sale.

I use smelling salts probably at the most once a month, at the absolute most. We should do it one time before podcasts. There's a last very long. Woo! Yeah, so you know what I used to do at work. So the very first time I discovered Smelling Salts, I was, I don't know, I was a 20 year old general manager

and we had it in our first aid kit. And I'm like, oh, I've never used these before. And I cracked one and I'm like, holy shit. So what I used to do is it sneak up behind sales, my sales people or my trainers. I crack it and then I put it in front of the nose. No, you did. How you did. And I, that's a I put it in front of the nose. Oh, you did. Oh, you did.

That's a total laugh. It's so powerful, even if you're somewhat close proximity. How far do you think it travels? Oh, you get it. It's like at least five people do that to me or something. Yeah, quite a ways. Now, have you guys tried the power lifter grade? Because the ones we use are the ones like...

I've used you move who makes one, I guess. The nose, core, or whatever. Yeah, I've tried both. Yeah, they're gnarly. Oh, yeah I was once I could crack it here and you will feel it. Knock me on the house. Yeah Yeah, and then there's other ones where you have to kind of get a little bit closer just to even get a hit from yeah, but it's not it's it's I mean I guess you could play with them. It's a cool toy, but it's not a workout. I mean you're not okay with that that analogy that I'm giving as far as putting the category of I would put it so far down I can't I can't think of it. Not not so you're you're you're you're understanding this incorrectly It this is not me comparing which ones give you the big biggest results It's how I would you do your fun right right? Yeah, it's in my bag of stuff

I do am I and I anti belt no I got a belt and I have a strap I have used those things But it's like I also don't't wanna get in the habit of using that on a regular basis, but having them in there every once in a while to go rip out an extra 50 pounds, and I would have, like, chalk school. It's gonna be more useful, for sure. But you're not gonna get it. And also okay to use every time.

Hey, hold on, Roots, that's what I said. That's just an extra 50 pounds. You're not gonna get an extra 50 pounds of smelling salts. It's not gonna make you look 50 more pounds. I'm saying in the category of all of the things, the belt, the belt. I just wanna say that because I know someone would listen to me. Yeah, what do you think it would produce? Maybe 10?

Maybe, no, not even. I think I could get like a couple percent, maybe more out of my body. Well, a couple percent on 500, one percent on your very top left. Yeah, like five pounds maybe. Maybe, I mean, I can psych myself up to the same. Oh, it's what's 3% of five hundred pounds. No, 1%. Like a math guy over there.

It was saying, you're like, you're like, four pound numbers that are just countering what you're pointing. It's like, that's exactly what I think you get. I think you get 10, 15 pounds down. Yeah, I don't know. On a squat? I'm gonna tell you right now,

anybody watching or listening to this, they're gonna be disappointed. They're gonna use it and they're gonna go left and they're gonna be like, well, that wasn't 10 pounds more than it's it's well okay Here's a thing it's not it's not gonna counter shini nitis rest bad look But if you're if you're fed and you're you're you're prime for a good workout and then you throw that on there You might you're gonna hit a PR. I mean I fit a P.O. I hit PR's on it

So it's it's still my best did left my best quad. I hit smelling salts. So it helped for sure. Vals out of belt and other things too. So I mean, it's I mean, we're spitting hairs arguing over how many pounds it's gonna get. I'm trying to find a specific study to see, you know, what the performance increase was. It was enough for them to say it has some effect. But there's still a debate as to whether or not. You know what I mean, you know what's one that I haven't really formally tested that now that we have this cold plunge, I tell you what, I, I, Well, I bet that's the way.

I had some of my best workouts when we were messing with the cryo therapy, and then I'll go into a lift, and the way I feel when I get out of that cold plunge, boy, I tell you what's it's better than any 400 400 milligram caffeine pre workout I've ever taken it's that it feels that good and the way your body feels from it the whole body not just like you being Amped up energy wise

So it'd be interesting to test out to see what you can get out from it Next question is from ionic senior what is the best midnight snack if you absolutely can't help yourself? Midnight snack, so this question is tough for me because what do you mean you can't help yourself and why are you waking up in the middle and I? It's in beef sticks, hungry. So I do. Well, that what that tells me if you're waking up in the middle and I starving or hungry

to the point where you can't help yourself. You didn't eat it enough. Yeah, you're not eating enough the day of. Well, okay to the point where you can't help yourself. You didn't eat it enough. Yeah, you're not eating enough the day of... Well, okay, I have a lot of thoughts around this. So first of all, if it fits in your calories and macros, and it's okay, then then eat it. If it doesn't, and that's going to put you over, well then welcome to dieting. That's your hungry. That's part of...

You guys ever woke up in the night, so hungry? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I used to wake up and eat like two peanut butter jelly sandwiches in the middle of the night and do crazy stuff. Really? Yeah, yeah, I've never done that. But I mean, I was a monster though.

You know what I'm saying? I was freaking 230 something pounds and 200 something pounds of lean mass only. I was eating 5000 calories. So 200 peanut butter, two peanut butter jelly sandwiches for me is like some, you know, a little 115 pound girl taking a bite of beef jerky. It's like the same thing, you know, so.

Yeah, I mean, if it fits in them in your mac roast for your goal, then whether you're eating at midnight or eat at 9 p.m. or 6 p.m. really doesn't matter. Now, if the snack would put you over your calories and your goal is weight loss, well, again, I say, welcome to dieting. I mean, that's, it's this idea that we have around,

like I can never feel hungry. Yes, like can I eat in a way that I never feel hungry and get the body I want to get super lean. It's like, no, if you're going to restrict the body of calories in a place, just post the fuel. Yes, and you've been, and you've been someone who has been overeating for an extended period of your life, whether that be weeks, months, years of your life. And now you're going to start to try and deliver a caloric deficit. One of the things is learning to become

more comfortable in that state. And it's like, you're not going to die. You're, you're not going to starve overnight. You're, you're not gonna die. You're not gonna starve overnight. You're not gonna lose all kinds of muscle, but learning to become comfortable that many times a glass of water will fix it. Yeah, so what you're talking about is your relationship with the feeling of being hungry because you can feel hungry or you can have the signals of hunger and then it's your relationship to it.

And I noticed, just through training people that there's some people that have such a poor relationship with the feeling of hunger that they say this, I couldn't help myself. There's so impulsive around it. So that's an issue you need to work through yourself. But by the way, there's some... You know I used to tell clients,

you know I used to tell clients, and I know there's a bunch of science nerds that are gonna get all butt hurt about this, but I'll give a shit to help my clients out. I used to tell my clients, that is our body switching over and metabolizing fat when you feel that. So when you feel that... You're helping them get that, help my clients out. I used to tell my clients, that is our body switching over and metabolizing fat when you feel that.

So when you feel that. When you open them, get that, like accept the feeling. That's, well, that, that was really what I was playing this cycle. I was, I was like, so man, when you get that feeling, I mean, you could go jump up and go feed it, but now your body's now gonna use that sugar as fuel.

And so you're no longer reaping the benefits, but when you're laying in bed and you have that hunger feeling, that's your feeling what's happening right now, your body shifting over to metabolizing fat to get you through the night. So yeah, you can get up and go having that healthy snack, but now it's gonna utilize that healthy snack instead of utilizing the extra body fat.

I guess the other angle I just kind of wanna address with this question is in terms of like your quality of sleep. You hit the nail on the head. So what are we doing in a sense of like, what am I accomplishing by now feeding myself, which then interrupts my sleep, which then all the recovery and all the benefits happen if you maximize your sleep?

So that would be my concern in terms of waking me up versus me then having to address that earlier to make sure that I'm preparing myself better. You hit the nail on the head. It's not just calories and macros eating in between sleep has other far reaching effects that are negative. Like your digestive system also has a circadian rhythm. So yeah, but you also can wake up and have bright light.

That tells you brain the sun. There's also different scenarios on it. How you're gonna approach this. Okay, I'm how I'm coaching right now my sister in law and I'm looking at our nutrition last night. She grossly under each protein every single day and she only eats like 1100 calories. If she told me this was her calling in and she's like, hey, it's the middle of night and I'm getting I'm hungry and I see she's eating a thousand calories a day. She's hitting 70 to 80 grams of protein everytier day. I'm gonna tell her I'd rather, I want her to eat. Because she's grossly under-consuming.

Yeah, but you're gonna say something like, okay, now I'm moving forward. Let's have you eat more today. Well, of course. Of course. Because here's what happens. Yeah, you eat in the middle of the night. Now what you've done is you've disrupted

your the beneficial recovery hormones. Your circadian rhythm now says we need to be awake because your digestive system also influences your circadian rhythm. says we need to be awake because your digestive system also influences your circadian rhythm, you've got worse sleep. Then, ground is higher the day after, meaning cravings are even higher because you had poor sleep. So, although you might have satisfied your appetite

in the middle of the night, you've actually made it harder for yourself the day after. This is like a loose, loose, loose situation. Really, what you need to do if this is used, you need to figure out the hell is happening during the day to make it so that you wake up in the night, so damn hungry, and fix that because this is not a good- I agree with that.

I agree with that. I think you 100% this is not a like, oh, just there's a snack that we're all gonna say, oh, this is a great midnight snack that you should eat. It's like you should address your potential deficit or your lack of nutrients that you might not be getting and you should be having it the other day. If you're getting your what you need and you're just hungry because you're low calorie because you're dieting and it's not abnormally low, right? It's not like my my sister-in-law who's eating a thousand calories. If you're at

2400 calories and that's a deficit for you and you're losing body fat and you wake up hungry, well welcome to the club That's what happens. I mean you get you get hungry when you were low calorie and you're used to feeding the body 3500 all time. Next question is from Sandy Toe's seven. I'm doing maps and a ball. Like now, please explain why rest between sets is important. After doing boot camp style workouts where rest periods are somewhat active between circuits, I'm not sure what rest truly means.

Do I sit and do nothing or move around a bit? What's the goal? This is a new listener for you. This is common question. So I'm gonna say something that might sound controversial, but it actually is very true. What makes strength training, strength training, or what makes resistance training, resistance training,

is not the weights, it's not that you're lifting something heavy. It's the rest period. The rest period is what makes it strength. The strength. So much that I'm gonna go out and tell this person that was running this bootcamp. You know what you all you were really doing? Was cardio with the weights.

This is just a bunch of cardio with different pieces of equipment. You were not resting and you were doing act, what they would call active resting, where your bootcamp infrastructure had you doing jumping jacks before you got ready for your next circuit of weights that you're gonna do, and then you do ropes, and that's how you did. You're doing cardio. That's all you're doing.

You're getting mostly the benefits from cardio, very, very minimal to no benefit for lifting weights. You may as well just done jumping jacks or whip the rope around that tire. That's right, and I'll say this, the vast majority of these that I see, you could insert whatever exercise you want in their circuit, doesn't matter. They use a bunch of different things that make you feel like you exercise you want in their circuit. It doesn't matter.

They use a bunch of different things to make you feel like you're doing a much cooler stuff. It's 100% the only real benefits you are getting for those, is the calorie burn and the stamina and the stamina ability. That is it. That's all you're getting for right now. So here's why you rest, right? So there's different types of energies that you use while you exercise. The first type of energy is what's called ATP.

So ATP is, it burns burns hot but it burns very quickly. So that's what you get when you do explosive movements like a sprint or you do things like strength training. Once that's burned up then you move on to glycogen which is this, it doesn't burn is hot, it doesn't burn as fast, it lasts a long time and that's the kind of muscle energy you get when you do like long distance running or when I'm doing like a hundred reps of squats or a hundred reps of curls or I'm doing circuit training. The energy system that you target is what gets your body to adapt in a particular way. If I train my ATP, ATP system, I'm going to build muscle.

If I train for glycogen to burn lots of glycogen and stamina, I'm not going to build lots of muscle and strength. I'll just get lots of stamina. So if you're not resting in between sets, you're not doing strength training. Even though you feel like, oh my god, what am I doing? I'm just sitting here. That's what makes it strength training. That's what makes it build muscle. That's what makes it speed up your metabolism. The question was, what do I do with the rest periods? Nothing. You do nothing. You sit there. If you really have to do something, read, but don't do anything physical, because what you want is you want to replenish the very

hot burning, but fast burning ATP stores, which takes about 60 seconds up to maybe three minutes or four minutes. Yeah, let it replenish and then go train it again and build strength and build muscle. Otherwise, you're not doing strength training. And it's true, right? It's the rest periods that makes a strength training. It's not even the exercises. Yeah, it's just so funny, because this is a very, very difficult one

to pound in that kind of a person's head. Because it is, it feels like, well, the workout's worthless now, you know, because I'm just sitting here. And then shifting the mindset of also being able to really try to ramp up so they address their weight lifting and actually push themselves to full exertion in their weight training is a completely different mindset

instead of just moving weights and moving, moving, moving and feeling busy. So this is definitely a challenging one, but it's just funny, because we haven't had that type of a question in a while. And this is still very common. I can picture this moment. I can picture so many clients like her.

I'm gonna guess Sandy, that first off that you're a woman and that you're probably late 30s, mid 40s. Your kids are old enough now, so now you're going to the gym and you are super busy, do everything all the time, and you like to sweat a lot and get real sore in your workout. That's a very typical class setting.

You love class setting. This is the group training right there. And then you can't figure out why your results suck so bad, like why you have to try so hard and why you have to eat so little and why it just doesn't seem like your body wants to respond. This is why. If you want your body to respond, do what we say,

which is build strength, build muscle, boost your metabolism, the workouts are gonna feel totally different. It doesn't feel like a cardio workout. You're not gonna be sweating and at a breath, but you will get muscular fatigue. You will notice that your muscles are such a shape in build. Well, she's running mass and bulk now. Yes, don't be a freezing load.

Get strong. Yeah, that's the focus. Absolutely. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump. Justin, Adam is on Instagram. Mind Pump at him and you can find me on Twitter at my pumps out. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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