Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1959: How to Improve All Lifts With Priming, the Truth About Detoxes, What to Do When Strength Plateaus & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: December 3, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Here’s the key to LONG-TERM fitness success, hard things will make you the happiest. (2:04) Sal started another movement! (17:29) Shout out to The Cheese Shop in Carmel, CA. (20:28) The FDA is a racket! (25:13) We don’t choose supplements because they are cheap! (32:29) Sal’s ultimate dad hack. (36:33) Who’s the strictest father out of the Mind Pump crew? (39:11) Going down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. (43:28) Public Goods goes the extra mile to align with their values. (56:20) Shout out to @JailhouseStrong on Instagram. (57:06) #ListenerLive question #1 - Are the sets in the MAPS Programs total sets or are they working sets? (59:20) #ListenerLive question #2 - Will a 21-day detox ruin my metabolism? (1:10:11) #ListenerLive question #3 - How should I start back into the MAPS programs with my goal of building muscle in mind after being so low volume for a couple of months? In what order should I do the programs I have? (1:21:35) #ListenerLive question #4 - Coming off a stint of heavy-weight training, could you recommend an approach to take me thru the next few months/year of programming? (1:28:50) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Cyber Monday Sale: ALL MAPS Fitness Products & Bundles 60% off!  **Promo code CYBERMONDAY at checkout** (Code expires Friday Dec. 2nd) Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP15 at checkout for 15% discount** Visit Public Goods for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Receive $15 off your first Public Goods order with NO MINIMUM purchase** Mind Pump #1792: The Secrets Of Happy People With Arthur C. Brooks Home | The Cheese Shop Inc. Telefèric Barcelona | Authentic Spanish Restaurants FDA Releases Final Guidance on Enforcement Discretion for NAC FDA Halts NMN Supplement Approval, Citing Pharmaceutical Potential The FDA's cozy relationship with Big Pharma - American Thinker Mind Pump #1945: How To Formulate A Supplement That Works With Shanais Pelka Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** MKUltra - Wikipedia Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia Watch Orgasm Inc: The Story of OneTaste | Netflix Mind Pump #1480: How To Find Peace & Meaning Amid Chaos With Bishop Robert Barron Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Priming Exercises You Should do Before Lifting Weights – Mind Pump Blog Dr. Cabral Detox MP Holistic Health Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks) Instagram Alex Hormozi (@hormozi) Instagram Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness) Instagram Bishop Robert Barron (@bishopbarron) Instagram Jailhouse Strong (@jailhousestrong) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram

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Go to public goods.com forward slash mind pump. Use the code mind pump to get $15 off your entire order, even if it's a $15 order. Basically get $15 with a free stuff. All right, here comes the show. All right, look, here's the key to long-term fitness success. You have to realize all of the benefits of fitness that have nothing to do with building muscle, burning body fat, or improving physical performance.

There are tremendous benefits in the challenge and the struggle in overcoming obstacles in accepting your body, accepting your limitations. Those are the real benefits and part of the reason why fitness provides those is because it's hard. So believe it or not, things that are hard and challenging will actually make you happiest. Do you believe that you have to connect those dots in order for it to be, like is it mandatory to connect all those dots to make it a life long pursuit?

A healthy life long pursuit. Yeah, because if you're just- Otherwise, you're tortured. 100%. If you're obsessed with just the- Because look, building muscle, burning body fat, health benefits, physical health benefits, the physical performance benefits, those are all real benefits, right? Those are real.

But if that's all you ever focus on, oh my god, what's that going to look like in 10 years, 20 years of you working out when your older or life challenges happen, you're not gonna hit PRs, you're not gonna be as lean as you can, you're not gonna look the same way or you end up, it ends up becoming this really unhealthy. Do you guys remember meeting? Just depressing.

People in advanced age that still struggle without, that like they're, they, let's say they're fit and they're in shape, but they're still connecting it to vanity. Yeah, it's like mostly, we usually see a lot of like cosmetic work. Yeah, like lots of like added plastic surgery and like injections and it's just like whatever they can do

to kind of slow down the process of, you know, how they aesthetically look versus, you know, finding other values that they should put in. I saw it in ex-athletes, models, celebrities. Those are where you see it most. Yeah, people that were put on pedestals earlier on and they're age.

Their identity became how they looked. And that's a hard thing to let go of. Yeah, yeah. But I feel like most of my clients that were like, you know, average Jener Joe, person know what that nobody knew of. By the time you got to your 50s or 60s and if you were pursuing health and fitness,

I can't, nobody jumps out to me right away of like somebody who was really strong. You're right, the vast majority of people who do this forever, the reason why they just scrubbed that, right? They figured out. Yeah. Actually, I'm inevitable. Yeah.

In fact, you don't even have to be 50 or 60. I think you just have to do it for like 10 years. Like if you do it for 10 years, you end up, you have to come to these realizations that, okay, wow, I'm getting a lot of value because I learn how to overcome challenges. Like, here's what I mean by that. When you start working out, you suck at stuff. You just do. And you're going to continue to suck at things as you try new things.

And as you are encounter new challenges with your body or your lifestyle or you lose your job or you have a baby or you get old or whatever, you start, you figure out how to overcome these challenges, how to use fitness as a way to improve the quality of your life, meaning that your fitness changes and molds itself, and then you start to value that, and you go, wow, this is really cool, this is something that just makes life better.

There's a lot of acceptance too. You may start off with, and most people start off this way, with these real cosmetic goals, and you may idolize someone, like you may look at, like for me it was like, you know, I looked at Arnold Schwarzenegger, I wanna look like that. I wanna be a bodybuilder. Let's some point I realize, like,

I'm never gonna look like Arnold. I just, I don't have his genetics, I don't have his build. I'm not gonna do what he did to look the way he did. But then I continue anyway, right? So I accept it, and I continue moving on. And it's also the, think of how little value exercise will provide you guys, because you guys been to this for a long time. How much less value would you get if it was easy?

Like if you went out there and there was no challenge, no struggle, no pain, no hard sets, no heavy weight, no burn, no gasp for air, like how little value it would provide you. Well, anything worth doing is difficult. Always. Yeah. Always. It's the, it's like a life, it's like the conendrum

that we have to face. Arthur Brooks is an expert on happiness. It's literally part of the formula of happiness is the challenge. It's also, too, it's like in small doses, in terms of what you can handle. So it's like, well, you can obviously do a really difficult workout and try some real new difficult skill

in that direction. But I think it's just a great way to just train your mind, win-facing real life, like crazy challenges that come your way, because of all the experience that you've just accumulated by overcoming one little thing, the next thing, and it just gets, you know, more, you can actually handle more and more, you get stronger mentally as a result. Why do you think evolutionary that we want that? Oh boy, it's because it forces us to evolve and grow. Because life is gonna kick you in the teeth,

no matter what. So we had to evolve, I mean, that's the prevailing theory. We had to evolve requiring challenge in order to feel purpose meaning and actually feel happy, because if we didn't, then we would die. We would suffer, die, crumble, and fold. Life is always hard, right? We make certain aspects of life easier, and then we have this terrible realization where

it's like, actually, it's not, it's actually still hard, like, what's going on here? I have air conditioning, I have easy life, I don't have to, it's just a different hard. It's just, well, actually, it's not, it's actually still hard, like what's going on here. Like, I have air conditioning, I have easy life, I don't have those. It's just a different heart. It's just, no matter what. It's like that scene is one of my favorite scenes from the Matrix, which there's a lot of philosophy in the original Matrix, but there's that scene where

Morpheus is sitting, they captured him, right? Agent Smith captured him and he's like, they're trying to crack into his brain to figure out the codes to Zion. And Agent Smith says, you know the first Matrix trying to crack into his brain to figure out the codes to Zion. Agent Smith says, you know, the first matrix that we created was a perfect utopia. Life was easy and everything was amazing.

And he goes, we lost entire crops of humans because your minds couldn't comprehend life being that way. And he has his own theory, but the philosophy behind that is it's totally true. We have to have struggle and challenge in order to have value. Now, why is this so valuable? Because if you start to understand that value, you're gonna wanna pursue your workouts.

If it's all about how you look, all about muscle and body fat, at some point you'll stop, or you'll kill yourself. You'll develop this terrible relationship with exercising, you'll kill yourself. You know what's interesting about that? Is that most all religions have a belief that the after world or after life or heaven is this paradise of like everything being perfect.

And if we believe that now that we desire the struggle, we want that to feel good, to have purpose, all those things, why would we even want an after life of eternity that's all good? Well, you ever thought about that? I do. And I think that we don't, I think that we. I think it's misinterpreted. and want an afterlife of eternity that's all good. You ever thought about that? I do, and I think that we don't, I think that we, I think it's misinterpreted.

Yes, I think so too. I think that, I mean, I think a lot of, you know, I don't think we can comprehend that. I think a lot of religion has been misinterpreted. It's what we decide that we think is it's supposed to be and in reality, it's like, we can't even truly fathom it. So just wasting your time thinking that you know

what it's gonna be like is kind of ridiculous. It's like that saying when you raise your kids, like you can either change the world for your kids or you can make your kids strong for the world. Which one's, which one are you gonna succeed at or more likely to succeed at? Exactly, I mean, I've been kind of milling this over a lot because I know that

you kind of get like two different types of mentalities where one is very drawn to safety and one's, you know, a little more risk adventurous and like we'll kind of go in that direction. But honestly, like safety is an illusion. It's something that we seek it a lot, but at the end of the day, like a meteor could blow us up. And it's about being fit and feeling like you're able to withstand challenges and be strong in that direction. But honestly, we could do whatever we want to feel safe,

but it's a feeling. It's not real. I'm gonna add to that because someone may be saying, well, you should wear a seat belt, you shouldn't speed, that's not but it's a feeling. It's not real. I'm going to add to that because someone may be saying, well, you should wear a seat belt, like you shouldn't speed. That's not what Justin's talking about. It's not what I'm saying. Yeah, I'll give you an example of the illusion.

You could say to yourself, working out, that takes a lot of time, it's hard. I got to pay for a gym membership, so it costs money. So that makes life harder. Is it, or is it harder to be unfit, unhealthy, and develop chronic disease? Is it more expensive to pay for a gym membership and to buy, let's say, food that is really healthy or supplements that are really sourced really well, for example? Is that more expensive or is it more expensive to pay for heart disease, heart attack, cancer?

Right? So, it is a total illusion. It's a complete illusion. The safety illusion, the ease illusion. Like, oh, life is easier because I watch TV, I'm relaxed, I don't have responsibilities. Is it really though? Well, on every time we try to solve problems like that and make our life easier, we also create problems. And it's just sort of like that double edged sword

that it just, it seems like always our pursuit to make things easier and have ease towards work that's in front of us, but really the work is, that's part of the journey. That's what you need to experience. So what I find, we talked about the software, we didn't talk about this on the podcast, but because of what you're talking about right now, don't you find that interesting that we had,

we have this kind of attack on the privileged as if the privileged is a better place to be. I mean, that's assuming a lot, right? That, oh, you have a head start. Oh, you have this opportunity. You're making an assumption that they're privileged. Right. Because that's what I'm saying. You're assuming that having all the opportunities, having all the money, having the big

house, having all the private, that's the money, having the big house, having all the private, that's technically a better life. It's assuming a lot. And I thought about this a lot because I went through a phase in my life where I definitely thought of myself as a victim, right? Definitely felt sorry for myself. And then as I got older and I saw the growth

and everything that happened from going through those things in my life. I looked back now and I go, if I was asked, hey, if you were brought up in a home like X, Y, Z, and there was a time when I used to think, oh man, like if I had the head start that my buddy had, or if I had the parents that my buddy had, I'd be here, here, and here,

and I had that attitude for a portion of my life. And now I look back and I go, I wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want that position because I recognize that all those things that I had to go through built the character that I have today and I like that character and I don't want, I wouldn't want it any other way. And so I actually now view the hardships and challenges

in my life or the setbacks or the less privileged part of my life as being more privileged. Yeah, well, judging, I mean, just to even say that and I get, yes, you could objectively be like, well, it's easier if this and it's harder if that. And I know there's extremes where that makes a lot of sense. But that's a very arrogant assumption. Oftentimes it is because you could look at somebody and be like, wow, they drive a nice car, they make a lot of money, and not know they're on two different antidepressants that they have tons of anxiety

that they're struggling with, maybe mental illness. I feel like we have such a great example of this when we look at celebrities. Oh, yeah. I mean, when you look at alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, anti-depression, I mean, it runs rampant in the most wealthy, most

privileged people. So, the idea that we don't even have good examples of that to me is silly is it's like you, and then we all idolize those people ironically. I know. It's wild. It is crazy. But again, bringing it back to the pursuit of fitness, which I've said before is a great vehicle for personal growth. And I used to do this with my clients

in the second half of my career, as I would point out all these other values, just like with nutrition, it's like with food. We all understand that there's a hedonistic palatability that comes with certain foods, and that is a value. Oh my God, this tastes so good, right? Cheetos, ah, they're so pleasurable. But there's so many other values to food, and if you don't acknowledge and realize all those values,

the only thing you'll ever chase is palatability, which we know what that leads to, right? If the only thing you ever chase with fitness is getting lean, getting muscular, athletic performance, looking good, you're going to miss out on 95% of the other tremendous values and it will lead you down a terrible dark path. You're gonna take this incredible tool, which all tools are like this, all valuable tools in life are double edged. Everything that's valuable in life can either make you or break you, that's what makes it so powerful.

And if you don't understand all of the other values, like wow, I overcame that challenge, wow, I'm able to move better. Oh my god, I wake up in the morning now, and actually I've structured to my day because I exercise. Wow, this is me caring for myself or as before, I really didn't do that. And now I am, right?

Wow, that was so hard for me, and it's still hard for me, but my relationship with hard is different now. Now, I don't cringe, and I'm not fearful of the burn of the pain. Now, it's like, I embrace it. And that's a huge piece of growth. Once you understand all of the value of exercise, wow, it becomes this incredible tool. But if you don't and you only value how it makes you look, you're going to be screwed. I promise you. Either you won't stick to it or you're going to hurt yourself or cure yourself or find yourself in a very dark place.

Yeah, you really learn how to reframe a lot of these like hardships and challenges and look at it as an opportunity to learn, to grow, to get to the next level. It's the same kind of way I look at the feeling of being excited versus being anxious. You could either have that kind of negative connotation towards it or look at it as a positive and really like lean into it. Yeah, I remember the first time, and I say first time because this happened several times, I know you guys have two because we've talked about this before. The first time I had a new client, this always happened with somebody who never experienced like who really never exercised or never

played sports. So it was like total deconditioned average, you know, person, typically they'll hire me in their 40s because they're like, oh, I got it healthy and fit. And then they'll hire me in their 40s because they're like, oh God, I got it healthy and fit. And then they'll hire me and we'll do an exercise and they've never felt what like muscular, like good muscular pain feels like. They perceive it as pain. And I remember the first time this happened to me, and it's happened before.

I had a lady doing tricep press downs and I don't remember what rep she got. She let go of the bar and the way crash. She heard my triceps. And I'm like, what's matter? She's like, oh my God. You heard my triceps. And I'm like, what's matter? She's like, oh my god, I think I hurt myself. And I'm like, explain to me what you feel. And she's telling me, and I'm testing her,

and I'm moving on, I'm like, oh, that's just a muscle burn. It's a burn. And I remember the first time that happened when she left, I like sat, had a little break, and I sat there thinking about it. I'm like, does she feel more pain from a tricep press down than I do? And I said, no.

I said, first off, she was nowhere near failure. I can push myself to failure and beyond. I mean, the difference. I'm familiar. The difference is my relationship to the pain. That I feel the same pain she does. Actually, I feel more pain than she does. My muscles are bigger.

I'm pushing myself harder. I can go much further. But my relationship to it is different. So I'm not so scared of it that I drop the bar as I go through it. That is a tremendous value that you get from exercise. I actually hear that from women, especially when they'd say that they felt more confident because they got under a heavy bar and struggled through lifting something heavy. And then every day life, they're like, man, I feel so confident. I feel so much more confident with just, you know,

moving around and taking it all on. Totally. Absolutely. So anyway, important lesson that I think all of us should learn. So, hey, I want to talk about, we're supposed to mention Paleo Valley today, the protein, the bone broth chocolate. Oh my God, I'm getting tagged all over the place. Hold you. And all of you started. It is, it's the best tasting protein

I've ever had a time on. I'm intentionally not gonna have some now. Just such a wrap. Two, yeah, it's a lot of chocolate. I'm intentionally not gonna have some now. Just such a... You're such a rapper. Two, yeah, it's two populations in case. You want to be cool. Yeah, I don't want it. That's cool for me to do that.

People are going nuts. Yeah, no, I see it. I mean, I see it all over people now. They're totally loving it. And I was trying to get some more and... You're such a good salesman, didn't tell you? No, it's real. You're a good guy.

It's real, dude. It tastes like chocolate donuts. I'm not making that up right now. Well, Doug Cosine for you. So I trust him for sure. So I actually haven't been having to do protein protein powder lately. I've been pretty consistent with getting, but I mean, I was back to, although today

I didn't, I'm saying that. Are you bringing your food? Yeah, I'm back to bring. Whenever I, if I prepare, I'm good. It's when I'm not prepared when the shakes and the bars and the things like that, I feel like become necessary as when I'm not prepared, but if I'm prepared I've got my meals made. You know why it's because Food is so accessible and easy that when you're not prepared

It's super easy for you to just I'll just get this yeah, I'll order that. Yeah. Yeah, no totally And protein in protein is hard. It is No, even even what even I brought this up not that long ago Even when you order out what we would consider a protein meal Restaurants don't serve you well the guy your size, you know, you're probably looking for what 50 grams of protein for Yeah, what you're talking about you ain't gonna get 10 to 12 ounces of a meat Yeah, and you'll get one third of that. Yeah, you get four ounces is kind of the standard serving size for You'll get one third of that. Yeah, you get four ounces is kind of the standard serving size for eating out for protein.

And that's eating something that you would look at and go, oh, this is a protein, chicken, rice bowl, and vegetable. Like, oh, that's a healthy, good choice. But you're sitting on four ounces of meat. Like, I had to eat nine of those for me to hit my protein. Was it you that pointed out at Chipotle? Yes. You don't tell them after they've given the scoop.

The first scoop. You know, that's funny. You know, that's after the after they've given the scoop. Yeah, you wait. You know, that's funny. And I've been talking about that for a long time. I've actually seen all kinds of stuff on Instagram viral about that. Yeah, no, I've totally, in fact, I think I actually watched Alex Ramozy talk about it in a video not that long ago where he was telling people that's a strategy. I mean, I've been saying that for a long time.

Like, I remember going there and like, wait a second. The you tell them double meat first and they give you little tiny portions. You do them after the weight. You wait. Oh, wait real quick. That would be the same hack for five guys. You order another fry after they give you the first one. Because they always do like a five guys, you give you a small fry and then they fill the

whole bag up. You order your fry and you go back, okay, get another fry and then you get like, totally amount. Versus if you were to get two small fries, it would end up being the same as if you were to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I don't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a fry hat. But I've never ran into situations where I need,

I know, I've never had, I've never needed more fries from five guys. They've never even tried to figure out those fries. Right here. I cannot, I cannot stop eating. Send the standard over. French fries are potential chips. I can't stop eating the standard over French fries or potato chips. I can't stop eating that is your that's your

kryptonite. I do see all eat it. I'll eat them until I hate like beyond hate myself. I'll just just as cheese your fries or chips. Yeah, I'm ice cream for sure ice cream or cake. Yeah, I blame you for introducing me to that cheese shop in Monterey. I'm occurring online now. Oh, are you serious? Yeah, bragging like cheese wheels. Hey, at least you're doing it. I swear to God.

Oh, yeah, but at least you're getting like legit. I mean, they have everything in that place, cool. Wait a minute. They'll deliver it to your house. Yeah. When they delivered over here, or they have to be in Santa Cruz. Yeah, they'll deliver it here. Really?

Yeah. So I'm a huge, I love, I see. It's cool that I loved about that place. Shout out to, it's a cheat, I think it's cool that I loved about that place shout out to it's a cheat I think it's called the cheese shop right in Carmel and You they have every cheese in the entire world and then they have somebody behind there. What's a what's a Somalia, that's what you call the wine. Yeah, the wine. Yeah, but they're a cheese one. Well, they yeah They actually they show you how to pair

Well, yeah, they actually, they show you how to pair, pair all these cheeses from all over the world with like the appropriate wine to go. If you have the time, yeah, you definitely want to hang out there because they'll take you through that, like pairing with wines or they'll just let you try, like basically any of the cheeses you want, like they'll give you a little piece

and so I'm just there for you. You know that hour, like, whoo, that is. I don't think about it. This part of the reason why we moved out there was because of this experience and if you get a chance and I've actually had several people DM me and I've pointed them in this direction like one of the most epic weekends that Katrina and I would create for ourselves all the time would be going to the sanctuary

which is one of the best places in California to stay on like stay on the beach you've all stayed there is a lot of good restaurants down there. Well's beautiful. You go down to Carmel, which is 15 minutes up the road. You go to the cheese shop, you get yourself, you know. There's a lot of good restaurants down there. Well, no, this is what, this is the hack for us, is to do that. Go get a cheese. Bring it back.

Bring it back and wash the sunset from your room. It is like, you know, we did that after you said that. I mean, that's what made us live out. I mean, we were doing that so often because it was such an incredible night or weekend that we'd stay there. And we like, we have to, we're doing that so often because it was such an incredible night or weekend that we'd stay there. And we're coming out here so much, like why don't we just move out here?

But I love that. It's such a cool date or experience. You know, real cheese connoisseurs, like the stronger the cheese is better. I'm assuming you're that way, Justin. So you like cheddar, but you like extra sharp, more than, yeah, I'm saying here. Yeah, all the way.

Even though it's funny, because my kids, I just had them try blue cheese and I'm like, you know, you just ate a bunch of mold. You know, but dude, I would have like, been grossed out at that when I was a kid, but like, I remember the first introduction to it was on a steak that I had, I think in college, and then that just like blew my mind.

Change your life. I was like, okay, I'm going like all in on a cheese. I told you about the famous cheese from Sardinia, right? It's got actual like, yeah, that's great. Oh, maggots in it. I mean, you'll eat the maggots. I don't get limb burger and all of the real stinky stuff. I've never tried limb burger.

Yeah, I've used it for pranks, I haven't actually. Now, have you, since you've been doing this, have you been introduced to one as anything new that like you've never seen or heard of, and then you had, you're like, damn, this is, have you found you've been doing this, have you been introduced to one as anything new that like you've never seen or heard of and then you had you're like, damn this is have you found anything like that yet? Well I mean I'm stuck right now in Mimolette because it's like it has these like salt crystals in it

and it's a real hard cheese. Oh I love hard cheese. Have you tried that, Doug? I have it. I'm going to though. I love hard cheese. I love hard cheese. It's the best cheese I've ever had.

And now is this the kind of cheese that you grate on stuff or you're supposed to eat it? You just have to slice like, it's kind of hard to slice, but yeah. Doug's writing it down. I am. Yeah, it's, do you like, now do you like pecorino

and like the really hard, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. Yeah, but some of those like, do you have to kind of grate them to be able to get access to? Doug, what's the name of the restaurant that you just introduced us to

that you took Mike and Justin, all of us to? Yeah, telepharic. Telepharic. Or telepharic. I'm not sure the penloste. In Los Gatos. Do they have more than one or is that the only one? They do.

Well, they have one in Barcelona. They have one at the pre-welvent. It's Bartholona. Okay, well. Is that what you say? Is that Bartholona? Is it supposed to say Bartholona? No, it's the Spanish pronunciation.

Sal is attempting. Yeah. Yeah. Shot's coming. I was attempting Bartholomew. No, it's a Spanish pronunciation salad's attempting. Yeah. Shot's coming. I was attempting. There's nothing more awkward than somebody, like just throw it like just one word accent. Like everything else is normal and they're like, but then, they go back to like talking normal. That's just to stop.

Yeah, I'm very torn about that with like Japanese, like for example, kombucha, right? I try to throw a Japanese pronunciation on kombucha Pretentious right dinner with your girl. Yeah, I really enjoy this nice drink kombucha Or karaoke, right? Cut okay, cut okay. I like that, I'ma use that. No you're not. I'm shit. I remember it.

Hey, so you gotta go try that restaurant, I will. Yeah, yeah, I have written out. You guys will like that for sure. So dude, I gotta tell you guys about some fuckery going on with the FDA right now. You know the FDA, that wonderful regulatory agency, that's totally not corrupted. Never.

Somebody, okay, mess with us. I wish we had that, somebody showed me like a, so they're so annoying. How many people were connected to that? It's all big. They never corrupted. Never. Somebody, okay, I wish we had that. Somebody showed me like a, they're so annoying. How many people were connected to that? It's all big. It's all, it's a joke. So check out what they're doing.

So they started this. The first time I heard of this was during COVID. So during the whole COVID, you know, debacle or whatever. They, there's a supplement called an AC, an assistal, an assistal system. But by the way, it's been sold as a supplement for NAC, an acystyl cysteine, which by the way has been sold as a supplement for like two decades.

And what it does is you take it and it raises glutathione levels in the liver. So it's a great antioxidant, you know, boosts antioxidant levels in the blood. Well, they found in studies that NAC may be an actual great supplement to take when you have respiratory illness, like COVID, because it prevents severe issues in the lungs.

Okay, so they showed this in studies. Well, lo and behold, FDA comes out and says, hey, supplement company, stop selling NAAC, we're gonna regulate it because there's this weird, like provision in US law that says, ready for this, it bars ingredients from being marketed as supplements if they were ever first approved or even investigated as drugs.

In other words, if a pharmaceutical company puts out a paper that says, hey, vitamin C, you know, that may be something that could treat the common cold. And then they're like, ah, we're not going after it. The FDA could go back and, hey, 30 years ago, Pfizer said this and now we need to regulate vitamin C. What? So they tried to do this with NAC.

They're trying to do with NNN. Let's eliminate all competitions. So NNN, it raises NAD levels in the blood. Well, now, because there was some paper that was written, and it wasn't even NNN. It was like this, like a derivative of it or something like that, was investigated as a pharmaceutical drug at first. Now the FDA is coming out and saying, oh, you know what we need to do? We need to regulate this. like a derivative of it or something like that, was investigating as a pharmaceutical drug at first. Now the FDA's coming out and saying, oh, you know what we need to do, we need to regulate this.

So basically based off of this provision, any supplement that's ever been mentioned by a pharmaceutical company, especially if it's got any efficacious applications because they're not gonna regulate shit that doesn't work, right? As soon as it looks like it's starting to work on do something, they're gonna jump on it

and they'll say it needs to be regulated. Why? Because the FDA sure they have lots of functions, but one of their functions is to protect their friends and the big farm companies because you can't have supplement companies selling a product if it's- Lupert even to do so. It's such incredible bullshit.

It's crazy to me that we're like one of the only countries that even allows medicine to be advertised and marketed like that. That's not funny. It's ridiculous. I mean, what's so crazy about it is that we're one of the only countries that do it. And then that's like 80% of all.

Of all. Yeah. I mean, that's like huge difference. It'd be like one thing of like, oh, we kind of allow a little bit of this or we allow certain drugs to do be marketed or talked about. But it's like, no, everything's fair game.

And most of all of our advertising money is spent in that direction in the entire country. So that's fucking wild. So I want to go, I mean, I'll go a step further, right? So, and I understand why the FDA exists. So I get why they exist. I think that it could be totally, I think they could do a much better job

and it could save us a lot of money in terms of how much we spend going through them. But a lot of the people that work in the FDA used to work in big format. Either they were executive. I've seen somebody do a post that shows all the, how they're gonna, it's interesting how like some of it runs in the FDA

then all of a sudden gets hired by some of the pharmaceuticals or yeah, and it's just interchangeable. Yes. So what that means, it is interesting. It's like a political game. Well, it doesn't guarantee that they're shenanigans, but it does. So come on. Potentially, there could be lots of conflicts of interest.

And so what'll happen is they see a supplement that's efficacious, like, oh shit. This is really treating osteoarthritis. And then they can go back and they can try and find some obscure bullshit. And then they can go back and they can try and find some obscure bullshit and then they can say, oh, sorry guys, that actually belongs to this company. Did you hear what the guy said on all in about the FTX guy that was doing all the regulating for FTX

like 10 years before was doing like some shady gambling stuff? I forgot what that was. I so don't, I can't remember what he, but he was the one who was like putting all the helping them with all the regulation structure of the business for FTX. Meanwhile, 10 years ago, he had got caught up in some like crazy scandal. So my big issue with this is.

Is that not like a massive red flag? Oh, it totally is. Yeah. So, and now here's a big issue. Then you get people who say, well, the supplement industry needs to be regulated by the FDA because there's lots of supplements out there that lie, they put, you know, they don't put what they say is in the label in the actual bottle or they have other stuff in there. This is all true. There's lots of companies that do this. But what you need to consider is, is it better than the

alternative? Because if the FDA were to regulate supplements, first off, you wouldn't have 90% of supplements that are out there because it would be way too expensive to even pursue putting them out there. So your choices would go way down. Then you'd have even more control over an industry that tends to protect these big farmer companies. So you don't want that. Now, again, people always say,

well, what about supplements? There's lots of these, and there are tons of companies that are shitty, that are what, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're not regulated. There are regulations. There's lots of these, and there are tons of companies that are shitty, that are what, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're not regulated. There's, there are regulations. There's consumer regulation. The supplement doesn't. Which by the way, that's extremely powerful in today's society. You do something wrong. Or you, you cheat somebody on the internet today. It moves back. I mean, you got, within minutes, it seems like you've, you, which that was never like that in history.

No. So there's, so there's that, but then there's also this. There's all these third party regulatory agencies because there is a market for regulation where they could go to this company that has nothing to do with this company. It has nothing to do with, so if I'm, you know, a supplement company, A, I go to this third party company, I say, test us for glyphosate, test us for the fact that we have what we say we have in there, test us for impurities. And these are third party companies, and they'll do it. And the third party company's interest is in being accurate.

Do you think that should be, do you think that that should be how almost all markets are ran is instead of having any regulation whatsoever, you just have companies that figure out them going out of their way to pay for third-market- So market advantage for them to do that? That's right. I don't you think that the many- I'm trying to get one that would-

That's why I asked you to. Many markets. I haven't heard a compelling argument for regulating environmental stuff just because sometimes the timeline on that could go out 100, 200 years. But for like products, I definitely think so. I think it puts it in the hands of the consumer. These third party companies exist. And so here's a deal.

If the FDA, if something slips through the regulation or they don't protect consumers, they get more money. It becomes an incentive to get more. So the FDA says, oh my God, these drugs came out that actually turned out to cause heart attacks. You know why? Because we're not funded enough. to get more. So the FDA says, oh my God, these drugs came out that actually turned out to cause heart attacks. You know why? Because we're not funded enough. We need more money.

And they'll get more money. Now, if a third party regulates a supplement company and then it turns out the third party actually messed up, do they get more money or they go out of business? Yeah. So the incentive, the incentive for the third party regulatory agencies is to be accurate and honest, because they mess up once they're done. Nobody trusts them anymore. Now, this does put the responsibility in the consumer. For example, sometimes we get criticisms

when we promote a supplement company. For example, we just co-branded a kind of pre-workout, energy supplement. I was wondering if you were gonna say something about it. I knew, you know what, shame on the audience, right? To come after you or to make comments about peak performance, the supplement that you just, it's like calling your baby ugly, bro. Yeah.

What do you guys, like, seriously? And you did not think you didn't think Sal was going to say something like, come on. I knew that was coming. Well, no, so, so getting a lot of good reviews, but there was ugly people who are like, oh my Well, no, so getting a lot of good reviews, but there's ugly things. People are like, oh my God, it's so expensive. Well, first off, since day one,

our priorities were never to be the cheapest. We never work with, if we look at a company, we never said that. We never look and say, are they the cheapest or whatever. We look at quality, are they, are there lots of third party testing? Do we like the owners? Do we like their direction?

Like all that stuff? We don't care. Like, if I'm gonna promote a supplement, you're gonna take on a regular basis, it's gotta be amazing. And if it's expensive, then don't take it. Well, that's a little more. Our message has always been that if it's expensive,

we've always pushed whole natural foods as the way to go. And if you wanna save the most amount of money, then do that. Right. So peak power, it's, they make sure that it's organic, so that's tested. Then they make sure it's gly it's, it's, it's, they make sure that it's organic. So that's tested. Then they make sure it's glyphosate, residue free. That's tested.

There's 30 party tested that tells you that what's in the bag is actually in the bag. That costs money too. So what you're paying for is a supplement that actually says, has what it says it has made. It isn't just the stems, you know, it's the actual fruiting body. You could go find something that says it's similar, that costs you half as much, okay, you can roll the dice if you want to. Or you could pay. So that's the whole point that I'm trying to make, that it goes on, it's on the consumer and they exist.

These regulations do exist out there in the supplement industry. You don't want these blanket, FDA, believe me, it'll be much worse if you went, you know, in that direction. What do you think people's desired outcome is making comments like that? I Think that the supplement industry has Conditioned people to value price above all else. They say things like we have the same thing But we're cheaper and we're doing this like race to the bottom and people don't I think it's in all markets

No, and a lot and a lot of markets, but the supplement industry is done that like a ton and people don't... I think that's in all markets, no? In a lot of markets. But the supplement industry is not like a ton, and people don't consider, you know, because you don't know, you're taking a supplement, okay fine, it's got something there you don't want, you might not notice for 10, 15, 20 years, and then you may never actually connect it to the supplement that you're taking.

Or the placebo effect, yeah. You know what's funny? It's that I was talking to Mike Matthews about this, and you know what a common common hustle is would be to that Some of these some of the companies will do is they will give a competitive product like that for It cost or at a loss in order to drive you into their network to sell you some bullshit. That's like margins are crazy Yeah, I mean that's that's such a that's a hustle is to get somebody. It's I mean when you think about it's smart I mean it's a smart strategy for making money,

but it's unfortunate because as a consumer, it's so hard to figure out like, if I'm getting duped or if I'm getting a great product, does this really work? It's like, yeah, totally, 100%. So, for me personally, if I'm gonna take something, it's gonna be good. Otherwise, I'm gonna stick to whole natural foods.

And also, what are they comparing it to? In terms of the, like, so it will be something that's a lot cheaper, but just go back and read those reports of all those companies that had, like, fillers in there that had, like, heavy metal toxins in there, like, just look, like all the stuff is out there in terms of, like, the cheaper options, it's there.

The protein powders that had the highest heavy metal content when they did that study were organic vegan protein powders. So you're a consumer, like, oh, it's organic, it's vegan, it's good for me. But they're not going out of their way to test for heavy metals. And you were literally consuming

potentially toxic amounts of heavy metals, not even knowing. Just to, you know, again, you're the consumer, it's your responsibility. And that's the way it should be. It's your responsibility, nobody else. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, stuff cracks me up.

I wanna hear who had the dad hack, is that you? Oh, that was me. Oh, dude, I got it. So we've talked about this before. Jessica taught me this, and I wish I knew this as a younger dad. So, you know, I'll paint the scenario, right? So I'm trying to do dishes and a railiest, he wants to play with me. And so I'm trying is a younger dad. So I'll paint the scenario, right? So I'm trying to do dishes and Aralius,

he wants to play with me. And so I'm trying to keep him occupied while I'm doing dishes real fast so I can stop and then go play with him. Instead, and this is just, you know, I told my cousins who are new dads this and I showed them a video. So I have a video of me washing dishes with Aralius.

Like instead of doing your chores super fast, you can go play with your kid while your kid is waiting for you and being crabby or whatever, make the chore the game and have fun. And so that's what we do with everything. Washing clothes, dishes, sweeping, it's just, it's a blast. So, I really, he does what he can.

He's only two. So, he'll hand me something or I'll give him soap and he'll, but it becomes the game. I'm so curious how that's gonna, like, especially someone like you has, you have two kids that are much older and you didn't do some of these things now you're doing it. And so you will you be able to see,

be able to compare and contrast the behaviors and stuff. Cause we do that with Max too and I always wonder like, you know, are we setting him up really good for when we do have chores and things to take care of? Like it's just been built into him since day one. And so he just accepts it, or why I still get pushed back, or would have not made a difference.

I'm really curious. Obviously, I know in the now that it's already a hack, right? It's already a hack that, like you said, like I'm rushing to do these dishes done, and so my son can play, or he's distracting me, or with that, why not just integrate him into the process and have fun with it and do that with, like that's a no-brainer.

But I even wonder, like, okay, take that a step further. Like building that routine in them. Cause he maxes the dishes, he's done laundry, he does the washing the car with me, picking up the dog poop, like all of that's been that. So, you know, will I carry this on to where when he's a teenage boy, he's just like, he's just known to keep doing all that stuff.

I'm really curious to see if that's gonna happen. I think so. I also think it makes them if that's gonna happen. I think so. I also think it makes them feel like they're contributing. You know what I mean? That's what it means. Like it's just, this is what we do. You know what I'm saying? It's not a chore per se.

It's like we are, we all help to keep the house in order and clean and this is just what we all do. And like will he just accept it? That's, I mean, that's kind of like what I've been trying to do the most is just like this is just what we do on a daily basis. Cause like the whole been trying to do the most is just like this is just what we do on a daily basis because like the whole chore thing to me, it just seems like now you're putting all this like

negative energy like in that you have like anytime, I don't know, I've been looking back, I've grown up like a lot of things like I had to do where we're promoted by force, you know? And I'm like how can I, how can I do this in a different way where it's not like I'm just imposing this and my what I want like on my kids versus like,

you know, pulling them in and selling it a little bit better. So yeah. So along these lines, I have a question for you. I wanna try and be better at this. You know everyone's well when I do the, ask me a question or what about that? Sometimes people ask like really good questions that I wanna propose to you guys.

I answer it, but I wanna hear what you guys think. And someone asked, who is the strictest father of the four of us? How would you order the four of us? I know how I ordered us, I'm curious how you guys would order us. Oh man. Doug, you have an answer for it right away?

I'm probably the most lenient. I had you last. Yeah. I'd say, well, I don't know, Sal, are you the most strict? I'll say the order I had. Yeah. Justin. Sal, me, you.

Yeah. You know what though? That's a tough one because we're all consistent. That's what makes it fun. Yeah, no, but we're all consistent. You know what I mean? So, okay, lenient strict, but we're all, whatever we do, we're consistent.

It's not like you say to Max. Sure, and I think that's why I was fun and questioned because I don't think what they're proposing there is if one is better than the other, whatever, it's like, whose style is more like that? I agree, we're all very consistent with the way we father it, right? So we're all pretty close though.

I think Justin's the most stern in straight this. I think Sal is next. And for different reasons, the way you guys do it. Yeah, different. Yeah, like Justin's more hard straight line and conservative about his values and views and he's gonna stick to his guns and like he's very consistent with that.

You are like to me, very like a protective father and always thinking like that and it's like I'm looking for out for you and that's the way you deliver that message. I kind of feel like maybe I'm a balance of the two of you guys a little bit that way, and then Doug, I feel like is probably the most easy going. I would say too, like just in terms of words,

in like just the way that you already have like natural gift of like cell, selling, and so for me, it's like very cut and dry, you know, and so that's why it might come off like that. Sure. Because I'm just like, I'm just very economical with the way that I'm like trying to address issues. No, you're actually a great way to explain it.

You know, I don't need to sell this. I'm your best. No, exactly. I'm not going to see you're in the fluff out. That's a great way to compare the three of us is that you, it is that way. Sal and I are selling the idea Your paint the vision always

Yeah You don't have a choice But then our kids are like well, I don't want to do it still well actually still have to do it. I'm just telling you why I mean would you guys order it that way? Do we probably accurate? Yeah, that's pretty close. You know what's funny is that the whole thing with Doug and the dad thing, he was like that with us

without us realizing it when we started the show. Totally. Very much so. Let us do our stupid shit. And that's saying much more Zen about it. Letting us figure it out, that's wisdom right there. We use the oldest dad, so. Yeah, no, he's for sure the most patient, I think,

when it comes to stuff like that. Oh, yeah. I mean, I've definitely been checking my own self with a lot, because that was like something that affected me, I could tell, because of just like everything I wanted to do, there was always like, it was implemented on me through force. And I'm trying to like get better better about finding another way to present it. That's something I'm challenging myself to do.

You know what Jessica does really well? I don't know if it's going to work because your kids are a little older now. I don't know if you could do this now if it'll work anymore, but she's really good at giving two options and both options are desirable for her. So she'll say, you know, she'll say to Aralius, hey, do you want to brush your teeth now or do you want to brush your teeth after we play with your blocks? And then he'll, she'll pick.

And it's just because what it does, it gives your kid like a family. It empowers them, but at the same time, too, you're controlling it. Totally. Totally. She's really good at that. Like, really, really good at that.

Whereas, you know, I tried it a couple of times, I remember my oldest son, and he was really sharp at a young age. I remember he did it to me. I think he was three, and he comes up to me and he goes, but can I have one popsicle or two popsicles? I'm like, huh? Like did you just use my trick on me?

No popsicles. No popsicles. Just become the master. I know. It's so funny. Anyway, I got something cool to bring up. I got to end down a rabbit hole yesterday on some videos on social media. So Adam, you're familiar with MK Ultra, right? Yeah, you guys have talked about it before.

Have you heard of Operation Mucking Bird? Mucking Bird? I have both of them, but you had to remind me which one is which. So MK Ultra? I know they were originally government conspiracies that we now know or no longer. It's not a conspiracy. This is what they actually did. MK Ultra elements were experiments using psychedelic drugs. This is during the Cold War. To see if we could use psychedelic drugs to as part of a process of brainwashing, programming, programming, conditioning, so like, could we take somebody and turn them into an assassin without them knowing,

or get them to obey orders with a trigger word, or whatever, through this, and we did some pretty crazy tests. This is the stuff that they revealed to us. And then Mockingbird was the CIA trying to put operatives into media and Hollywood because they recognize it as being as subliminal messages and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, so I went down this rabbit hole.

Do you know how many videos there are of celebrities like acting hell a weird, like freezing? Yeah, all of a sudden or somebody says a word and all of a sudden they go, and they like for 30 seconds, it was freeze like their robot or they'll act super strange. Have you seen some of those videos? I've watched, there's a few montages out there where you're gonna see like your Katie Perry's You're gonna see your al rooker's you can see all these people like all of a sudden like something they'll just freeze

Like not really the right thing. It seems like an attorney. It's like 17 seconds or like 30 seconds But they literally like you don't even blink. They're just like frozen dude It's so what is that called though. Dude, it's so weird. What is that called though, where you, there's so many examples or something, it's really easy to, like it's like when people predict when the world's gonna come to an end and they have like all these great like,

because this was said here and then this had one. It's just weird, because there's a name, there's a term for that. Is there where we're- Confirmation bias? No, no, it's more elaborate than that. That's like, that's basic. Like this is like, you can cherry pick all this data because there's so much of it that it's more elaborate than that. That's like, that's basic. This is like, you can cherry pick all this data

because there's so much of it that it's, it's all, it's all. You're making connections that you aren't necessarily connections. Yeah, I don't know, man. There's a term for it. There was one with Drainmond when you're boy. Yeah, yeah.

And he literally, it looked like someone froze the screen for a while. He just sat there, weird. I've never seen someone do that in real life. That's weird. I mean, well, to that point too, because we see this from celebrities and pro athletes where they have all the eyes on them. The pressure is quite more substantial in your everyday average person than when they're

put on the spot. I can see how maybe their brain might short circuit a bit like when they're delivering some kind of speech. But I mean, sometimes though, you're just like, that's weird, it's almost like they're about to have a seizure with some of these videos where they just get these kind of ticks and weird things happen with their eye twitching

and it's just like, I don't know, do you know how to explain it every time? Like it's weird. Well, plus I'm good on gravel. I'm gonna give this a Dremons one of the good ones. So I can't be, so that's why I can't be true. That's why they did a good job. We did a good job, bro.

You believe you do. Yeah, I don't know. It's pretty funny. Like that was like back in the day when I used to go down all these like, conspiracy holes. And MK Ultra was a fascinating one because there's some truth to it.

But then you can get some people that take that information and then they apply it to so many other things. Like, all of these major celebrities go through some kind of ritual thing with some secret society and then they come back and then they're just, I mean, how much, because that's a lot of people have speculated on. I mean, Kanye came out and alluded to it

just not that long ago, even though we know how crazy he is. What, where do you guys stand on that? Like, do you believe there is this underground cult that gets together and dark black capes and they slice you know, slice each other's fingers and then they all chant and the underground and tell everybody how we're all

gonna be billionaires and take care of it. Hasn't happened. Yeah. I believe it. Yeah, that's fair. I don't know about it going as far as you're saying. Yeah, I think there's, that's the part. So okay, I don't over exaggerate it. That's what I think. I think I don't think it looks like skulls, the movie. I don't think it far as you're saying. Yeah, I think there's, that's the part, so okay. I don't over exaggerate it.

That's what I think. I think I don't think it looks like Skoles, the movie. I don't think it's gone to that level, but I do think that, I mean, look at, we see an example that we see this that is more obvious and accepted is internet marketing. Internet marketers that are extremely successful, figured out a long time ago.

Hey, even though we have competing products, there's so many people in the world for all of us to reach so we can all get rich. So let's cross for them. They create syndicate. Yeah, they create syndicates, and they all take care of each other. So I do believe that it looks something like that

in the music world. Or underground network. Well, let me, okay, so I'll give you two examples of why. And I think it's, I think it's been painted as this crazy dark. I'll give you two examples of why I think I think it's getting, I think it's been painted as this crazy dark. I'll give you, I'll give you two examples of why I think that there's some of this stuff going on. Who was that producer that finally it came out

that he was sexually abusing all these actresses and was it Harvey Weinstein? Harvey Weinstein, okay. That's happened for decades. Yeah. And he got cut and everybody covered up for him. Yeah. Everybody kept coming.

And there was one actress or musician that said, hey, watch out for this guy, don't, you know, whatever in interviews. And then all of a sudden her career took a tumble. But he was seen with Oprah and all these people, holy shit, you're great guy. This shit was happening forever. Why did they allow it to happen?

Because he held the keys to fame and success. So here's the second part. You have a bunch of people, when you're talking about celebrities, who tend to be more on the narcissistic, tend to be more arrogant, and are also willing to sell their souls for what they worship, which is fame and fortune.

So it's not hard to imagine at some point, they get to a level where they get these wealthy executives who are like, hey, here's a deal. You just signed an NDA, so everything I say right now is... See, I think it's less of selling your soul and it's more like internet marketing syndicates. I think it's more like that. It's like, hey, you're in the Good Old Boys Club now. Let us show you how things work around here.

When things, when news comes out about us or some of this, we make sure we take care of we get our brothers and sisters back. Here's a politician, do you support? Here's the position. I feel it's more like that than it is like this. Like you're gonna sell your soul to me. And this is, if you wanna get in the club, this is, I don't know, bro. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I do know that I think we're, we conveniently kind of dismiss a lot of old rituals and like ancient practices that some people still subscribe to like there's some people that really do Research back and they find their way into some weird

like Setting where people have now kind of attached themselves to certain belief systems and rituals and things that, like, for instance, we talked about this cult recently where this lady was like started out just fingering people. Oh, or guys, and make it. Yeah. Right.

And then what she did, she started taking, oh, you watch it. I watch it. Yes, she started taking other rituals, other parts of different religions kind of piecing it together and putting it into this thing so she could elevate the practice and create some kind of beliefs. Bro, look at Epstein. Epstein. Literally. Okay, all that should happen.

Nothing else has happened. He was in a cell with surveillance cameras and guards. Oh, surveillance cameras turned off. Oh, guards were looking. Hung himself. Hmm. So is it, is it the power of statistically, though, is it the same as the entire population,

and it's, and as it is in that select group, because what I'm saying is like, remember when we talked to Bishop Barron about the whole, oh, I hear you're saying like there's, there's crazy people, there's, there's, there's, there's devil worshipers,

there's crazy people, there's all these people in as a percentage of the entire world. Yeah. And celebrities, there's millions of celebrities. I think it's devil worshipers. There's crazy people. There's all these people in as a percentage of the entire world. Yeah, and celebrities. There's millions of celebrities. I think it's a higher percentage. Okay, so that's the part I'm asking. Yeah, I think it's I think it's a higher percentage because people who seek that Do you think that we get highlighted so much because they're already in the limelight and when something like that happens It gets talked about like crazy. All it takes is one Kanye West to go off the rails and it's the headline to every single thing. And now it's like, everybody is conspiracy theorist.

Yeah, well now like two guys. I think there's a couple maybe that are like really into it, but they like cross pass and circles a lot. I mean, I get associated with some of the bad seeds out there. But I mean, even look at a Bohemian grove. That was real. What about, what do they call it, spirit dinners or something like that?

Yeah, exactly. Spirit dinners where they eat off of people that are naked and they throw blood on. Or they eat soups made with blood. Like there's some weird shit that we don't get talked about. There's a video, there's a literal video of like, it was like a party and as much as the celebrities there and they have this body on a table and it's like,

it's food but they made it look like a human and it with entrails and everything, they're eating from it. Yeah. And I'm like, why? Why are you guys, that's gross. And honestly, I think it's a novelty thing because like you get all this fame and attention

and like, I do weird shit. Yeah, you just get into weird things and like you get tron into like gurus. Yeah, so you're gonna get pulled in by some guru out there that's like doing weird shit. Who's that one baseball player that video that came out is farting on the, what was that guy? He's out, he was like Chuck Berry.

Yeah, you got Chuck Berry dude. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's getting blasted. Yeah, because he did all the normal stuff. He got bored. I mean, it's a good point you may just in that it is and say they, they're just seeking novelty because when you make that much money, you have that much access. You've done all the things that most people dream and, and hope to do one day.

You've already done all of it. So it's like, oh, I gotta do some weird ship. That no one's thought of. Yeah. We do some shit that no one's thinking about that because I've already done everything else. Let's try this out. That makes, I mean, also like the whole, the theories around Epstein was that he,

if in order to be a part of the crew, you or group, you came and engaged in some of these behaviors, but then they had video of you. Now they have blackmail. Yeah. I think a lot, that, see, that's another point to it. I think that, you know, like, deviously, like, I think it's just a way that people always have something on somebody else.

Like, especially in the political realm, I feel like to get in there, even in the network, to get in the network, like, they want to be able to have some dirt, some information on somebody, a potential candidate or somebody. So that's why I believe it's kind of like the Good Old Boys club where you just, if, let's say like Epstein's kind of like the good old boys club where you just if let's say like Epstein's house where I thought if you're there you're part of the you don't

necessarily need to be part dissipating in any of the crazy shit's going on but you're part of the club which means you can't say anything about the people that are and so you're on the list now. Yeah and then I think that he was one of those people that saw an opportunity to blackmail all these people that are part of the circle or he worked for a group right he was a toy now that's an opportunity to blackmail all these people that are part of this circle. Or he worked for a group. Right. He was a toy. No, that's taking it to the next level. Stuff like that. Again, I, what's that thing again, the Razer's lot, what's the, it's the, it's the, Occam's Razer.

Occam's Razer. I think again, it's the, it's the more simpler answer. It's just like, listen, you get to that level. Yeah, you get to that level. There's definitely a good old boys club. We see examples of this, even in the, in the fair game playing world of internet marketing and stuff like that. You're part of it. We take care of you. Somebody bashes you in part of that group. We're all going to protect you in that way. If anything bad happens within our group in our circle, we don't ever rule each other on the bus. It's like, and then you

have an example like this of somebody that was intertwined with some of the most powerful people and saw an opportunity because he's greedy and wants more and more and more. I think Adam just wants to get invited. Yeah. Yeah. He's trying to be cool so that they invite him. I saw it all, but I wasn't part of it. Yeah. Then he'll say no, but he'll come back.

Because you'll see this in fraternities, sororities. So it's not uncommon that they want you to go through some weird initiation or some kind of like ceremony or something. So that way it's like, you're part of the group. And so I think that could get exaggerated in the pageantry of it, they could just add blood now. And then now everybody thinks it's crazy,

it's a Satanic ritual. Yeah, see I think it's more like that. And I think it's a great analogy too, it's bringing up the fraternities and stuff. And again, another great example of how we see that play out, it out in the open, I mean, I've seen where you go to a big company that's got thousands of employees, and conveniently, there's hundreds of those employees

that all went to the same school, because they're all connected. I'm going to be the worst. I know you guys are the same way. We'd be the worst people to invite to one of those things. I know of you, because we're already dicks when we go somewhere, and everybody just kind of like claps at the same shit, and all of us are like,

oh God, everybody's the same. I know, oh. Did you imagine? I did, I'm like, get us out of here. Yeah. Anyway, I gotta mention public goods. I didn't know this. Did you guys know that their bottles are made from sugar cane?

What? That's how biodegradable. Can you eat them? I never, I don't know if you think. I don't think you can, but they're biodegradable. They're really made, sugar cane. That's what they say. The little white plastic all of it?

That's how biodegradable they are. No, it's not cool. They're totally biodegradable. It's so disintegrated at some point. That's it. Wow. It feels like plastic. I know.

Wow. Isn't that great? Yeah, that's really cool. I did not know that. I had no idea. It's so time we've been working with them. I never, I never even heard that. They even go the extra mile to, you know,

align with their values, which is to have minimal impact on the environment and of course, and provide products that are free of, you know, harmful chemicals. But that I just learned today, which I thought was really cool. Hey, I want to stay consistent with recommending somebody that one of us is listening to, reading, or whatever, does anybody have anything to go to something? Oh, I was going to bring up Jill Howe Strong,

which is a great page that you like them. I like them. I'd like to refer us to old power lifters, old strong men, and I don't think they follow. It's on Instagram. Yeah, it's just got really cool references You know Mike Tyson Henry Rawlings like a lot of like cool quotes and just like lots of real bad-ass people I don't know. It's a fun page to follow. No, I love that. I mean that's I that's what I'm I mean selfishly part of why I would do this one

I want to obviously add value to the audience and and provide them some of the stuff for because we all how often you guys get asked Where are you reading this or where you're that? And I wanna include, Sal, so you know, cause I know you're big on the forums and the place, that counts too. It doesn't necessarily have to be a person, it could be anything from Instagram, YouTube, blog. No, what a great one, you picked, Justin,

I love this page. Yeah, I'm not even following, I'm gonna fall. Oh, bro, they got, it reminds me of all these old bad asses that were super strong like some of their old lifts and everything. So oh yeah You're gonna see strong strong men from the turn of the century from the 60s to 70s. Yes, it's cool I'm on a bill cast my other some great bill cast my are clips on there Which he's keeping in my opinion one of the Goods. Yeah, oh dude. I met him when he was 60-semit years old and he rolled up a frying pan right in front of me.

Yeah, right in his hands. I held the frying pan or anything. You're like, this is gotta be fake. No, it was real, bro. And he just rolled it up as a part of a demo. And did a bunch of them in front of people. That's wild. Hey, check this out.

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for Fermi to you guys about three, four years ago and yeah, ends up a little together ever since. Good deal. So my question is, so in your programs, I have a couple of them, anabolic, symmetry, and kettlebells as well. And I noticed that in the sets, is it total sets or the warmup sets, but it's like working sets, are you warming up to the working sets? Because I've done warmup sets and the working sets and I've done over training So I just want to get the insight on that. Yeah, that's a good question when we put the sets in a program those are work sets So it doesn't count

What you need to do to warm up or prime do you have maps prime by the way? I do I'm I have prime and prime bro So I try to And I do mobility girls all the time a lot of my sword parts is my shoulder but I think I have a fly-set then and I just saw a flight problem but I've been doing I modified the ketoblostor aesthetics to almost look like If I had the ketimals for aesthetics, the almost look like math 15, could I do it at home? Good deal.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's worksets. It's worksets. And the amount of time that it takes you to warm up to get to your worksets is going to very tremendously, depending on the lift, how strong you are and the individual. For me, for example, it takes a long time to get to work sets when I'm doing like a deadlift or a squat.

I have almost no, it takes me almost no time to get to a work set to like a curl or a lateral, or even an overhead press usually, because usually by the time I get to overhead press, I've already done some kind of bench press or incline press. So you got to feel ready to get into the work sets, but we list the work sets. Now we created Maps Prime to help people get ready to lift in those work sets better and more effectively because traditionally what people would do is they would just do a

bunch of warm-up sets of the exercise that we're going to do. And that's not necessarily bad, but it doesn't really individualize what your warm up or priming should look like because, you know, if I'm going to bench press and let's say Justin is going to bench press, you know, we could both do a bunch of bench press warm ups, which is okay, but him and I may have different needs, you know, we may have different shoulder mobility issues or, you know, maybe mid back activation or stability that we need to work on. So, Prime was designed specifically to individualize that and get you into the groove faster so that your work sets are more effective. But yeah, there's a pretty wide range of individual

out. And you may even find this for yourself, Matt. You find that sometimes, it just takes you longer to get to where you feel like you're in the groove of your sets versus other times where you feel like you can kind of jump in and you feel good. Yeah, a lot of it. My lower body responds pretty quickly, but my upper body is still like my shoulders, responsible, slower. So it takes me a little longer to get in my working position with my shoulders, especially because I have in my right shoulder,

I think in five to ten nights, so I go a lot lighter and a lot slower, so it doesn't take me a little longer. Yeah, so someone like you, you're a perfect example, like I'd want to do either, like a zone one wall test to get you going or handcuff with rotation, that's what I would do with you to prime you, and then we go into your shoulder movements. And then hopefully you can get right into your working sets within the first set, if not the second set right away. So, and to Salis Point, like there's certain people that they're gonna be able to get right into a squat

and by the second squat, they're already in the groove. There's other people that are gonna take three, four sets or they're gonna have to do a bunch of combat stretch and 90, 90 stuff, like. And that was a lot of me. I had to do a lot of that work before I could really get into a working set. Now what's cool is if you're diligent with the priming and you don't not only do you prime before you do those lifts, but you get good about priming those shoulders all the time, even when you're not training, you'll have to do less and less of it to get in the

groove. So what I just squatted yesterday and I literally had to get down, do like a couple of minutes of priming, and then I'm like working into my squat right away. But before that was like a two or a three minute before that's 20, 30 minutes to get me to, I had to get it 90, 90, I know it was growing stuff. Frog, I mean, I was spending 20 minutes to get into my squats, where, but I was consistent with that for a couple of years.

So to a point, to where now I just, you I was consistent with that for a couple of years. So it's a good point. To where now, I can warm up, prime real quick, and get right in my squats, which I wasn't like that just a couple of years ago from me. Yeah, that's a really, really good point, Adam. To make is that the better you get at this, the less of it you end up having to do as you continue to progress.

And if you find that you need more and more warm-ups, more and more priming, as you and more priming as you continue. Usually means you're not addressing the root cause. It usually means you're doing some kind of band-aid work, right? So I used to do this with foam rolling. Like foam rolling can be a great part of proper priming, but by itself it's really a band-aid. And when I first did foam rolling, I thought it was magic. But then I found as I continued to work out time and time again, I have to foam roll more

and more and more. And that's when I realized, okay, like I'm not really addressing kind of the root issue. You know what's your bicep tendon inflammation aside from the shoulder mobility, static stretching, not before your workout, but afterwards during between workouts will really help. So bicep static stretching and lat static stretching. Sometimes tight lats can cause issues in the shoulder when you're pressing and that can manifest with bicep tendon inflammation. Three. Yeah. What are you going to follow after this? Because I would like to see you

follow symmetry. Well, no, he's got symmetry. Do you have map strong? I don't have map strong. I have three three catabels and a higher pound sandbag at home with some dumbbells as well. Yeah, I like map strong for you afterwards. Maps performance would be great as well if you don't have that. I think those are two programs that would be good follow-ups to what you're doing. Probably performance because he's working out from home. First, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Well strong, you could do quite a bit of it if you have a barbell and dumbbells.

I think you could do most. I did at home. Yeah, as long as you have a barbell. Yeah, yeah. So let's say. I don't have any alcohol. Yes. Okay.

Okay, well, well, math performance then. We'll send that over to you. Sweet. I appreciate that guys. No problem, man. Thanks for pulling in. Thanks. You know what's funny about this is that the, as individualized as a workout needs to be,

warm ups are even more individual. Of course, of course. You know what I mean? Yeah. Which is the flip of what people think. It's not something people consider a lot. No. And I'm glad actually this question was asked because it's a very common one in terms of like,

is this an actual work session? Because if you get really good at this and you're able to identify those areas that you need to add in and warm up, especially for stabilization or putting in a good position, it's really gonna get you right into the mix and get you to write to the work sessions if you do right

Yeah, this is an area where not everybody agrees in our space Yep, there's there's this idea in the strength community but from very intelligent Experience lifters that the this idea of priming or doing shit before you work out as a waste of time And you just need to do the exercise. Do the exercise more squat more and that'll warm me up and do that. And I don't agree. I just feel like, can you, yes, will that work possibly?

But if you don't do what you said self, you don't address the root cross. For example, I had really poor ankle mobility. I could have just kept squatting more, squatting more. And that would have improved my squatting. I'd be a little bit better at it. But because I put so much work even outside of getting ready for my squat, doing it at home,

I increased my range of motion on that. Now, when I get ready to go squat, like I can literally get right into a squat and do it right away, and it be effective versus if I always would have just had the whole, this mentality of, oh, let's just squat more more or shoulder press for three warm-ups sets before. It's like I'd be in the same position. I wouldn't have increased my range of motion. Yeah, so the reason why I think that there's a lot of strength coaches that are smart, smart people that just say, oh, just do

the exercise and warm-up is because there is some truth in it. Now the challenge is, first off, if you're experienced, you could identify like, oh, I need to press my knees out as I go down more, or oh, I need to pull up on my toes as I go down to work on ankle mobility. So you could theoretically do that just by practicing the squat. But if you don't have that understanding experience, it's gonna be really hard. You'll just keep doing the same squat and you'll get a little warmed up

and you're not really addressing, you know, some of those reclaws versus getting into positions that illuminate it, right? That make it obvious. Like, oh, I don't have any extra work here. That's such a good point, Sal, because the guys that make the argument are in girls that make the argument are, like,

biomechanically, like experts. That's right, I mean, so they can totally feel and they often work with other high level athletes. Yeah, with the average person. Correct. Doesn't quite know how to connect the micro adjustments. Yeah. On the spot. And I mean, like, to the other point, like, for me, if I do do the priming, but I still feel like, you know, maybe I'm not quite as stable, like, I have an account for all these things as I'm going into the exercise. I might do like, you know, one set

where I'm like really feeling my way through and even pausing and connecting to it, but that's all I need. And then I get right into the work sessions. Yeah, and it depends on the exercise. It depends on the person. I've worked with people that jump right into a squat. I'm not one of those people.

A squat for me takes a while. A deadlift, a little less, but still takes a while. You know, you give me an overhead press. I could warm up one set, and I'm ready to rock and roll. Other people, it's like that guy we just talked to. For him, it's all upper body exercises. And it's funny because in our space, people think that the workout needs to be the most

individualized thing, and that the warm up is this generalized thing. In reality, they're both individualized, but if I had to pick one to be more individualized as the warm up, of course. That's the most, that's why Maps Prime was so hard for success. This is why when we created Maps Prime,

it was by far the most challenging program we ever created. We were stuck for a day and a half on some of the problems that we had to solve with that because it's like, how do we create something that allows people to individualize to solve with that because it's like, how do we create something that allows people to individualize it to the point where it's effective, not just giving people general warm-ups. Our next caller is Ed from California.

Ed, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, it's great to be on with you. I know your time is extremely valuable. I see how big Adam's bets are on his Instagram, so I'll just dive right in. I see how big Adams bets are on his Instagram, so I'll just dive right in. I'm 41, 5 foot 10, 190 pounds, and I started strength training about 10 months ago. So I'm newbie to it.

Before that, I was a typical cardio guy. So I had a Dexascan last week, and it showed I added about 7 pounds of muscle since I started strength training. Nice. But my body fat percentage is also up. It's at 25%. So I'm mentally committing to losing 15 pounds of fat over the next year. And I was thinking of doing Dr. Cabral's 21-day detox to kind of prime my body. It'd be my first detox ever. But I'm concerned that the detox will crash my metabolism. My BMR is about 1800 calories maintenance is about 2500 and I'm in the middle

of nap centabolic. So any advice on how I should run a detox to kind of kick off long-term weight loss without crashing sort of my hard earned metabolism? Yeah, it's unlikely that it'll happen in 21 days that you'll cause that kind. People who really, I don't know, for lack of a better term because it's not like people are breaking their metabolism. Their metabolism is doing, because it's not, it's not like people are breaking their metabolism, their metabolism is doing exactly what it's supposed to do, right, it adapts. Usually that comes from weeks and weeks and weeks.

Chronic for a long time. Yeah, chronic diet and chronic overtraining, you know, long periods of time, women are more susceptible to it than men as well, men tend to rebound a little bit better than women do. I wouldn't worry about it. And you're in a good place. Yeah, and really Dr. Crabral's,

you know, their goal is to make you healthy. So being in a healthy place is going to set you up better. So I wouldn't worry too much about it. I wouldn't try to make PRs or anything like that during that period of time. After that, then you can go back to, you know, trying to eat the way that you feel like you need to to build muscle and burn body fat.

But 21 days is, that's not, that's not. I love this idea. I think this is a great, I mean, you have a great goal that you set for yourself. I think it's a great way to kick it off, especially if along the way part of your goal is to try and get closer to understanding what foods maybe disrupt your digestion versus what foods don't.

This is kind of how I like to restart. If I were to go into a kick right now, I'm like, okay, I wanna get shredded or get lean right now. The very first thing I would do is do a two or three day fast right away for the same type of a concept. And then I would slowly introduce foods to kind of pay attention to what foods are agreeing

with me and which ones aren't. You having cabral actually take you through this is even better than that. So I love this. And I think you're in a good place. I think you're eating 2500, 2600 calories for your size. You've put on some good lean mass recently. So I think you're in a great place for this.

I would love to hear how it goes. Yeah, I mean, I've just been following what you guys have been talking about. So I'm all in, you know, built up my metabolism slowly over the past year. It's been great. Excellent. How much longer do you have of anabolic?

And what's your plan as far as the programs? What are you following? Yeah, so I have the RGB bundle. And after anabolic, I was thinking of doing performance. But it was going to just depend on how I felt with this 21. So I was going to do the detox after I finished anabolic. I didn't want to do anabolic well, and the detox at the same time. You I didn't want to do anabolic well, and the detox

at the same time. You know what actually you know, be good to go with that is the is our maps 15. Yeah. So while you so while you're doing the detox, that's 15 would be really well, we'll send Matt's 15 over to you, switch over to that because that'll be like lower volume. So you're still lifting, staying active, but you're more focused on the diet, the detox side,

and then transition into, if I was coaching you, that's what I'd see. I'd say, hey, let's run 15, maps 15, while you're doing the detox, and then I'll transition you over to performance after that. Don't get too caught up on any lean body mass or body fat percentage changes during this 21-day period. Because really the idea with this is to reduce inflammation,

reduce the stress load on your body, identify food intolerances, that kind of stuff. So water rate can fluctuate. That shows up as lean body mass sometimes. Inflammation can change. If you do lose a little lean body mass, it comes right back because of muscle memory. So I wouldn't get caught up during that 21 day period. I wouldn't get caught up too much on, you know, performance, strength and muscle. I would just focus on it. Totally. 100%.

Okay. Cool. Now that sounds like a plan. Thanks. And you know, my experience with maps on a ball like is like, it's worth 10 times what you guys charge for the entire RGB bundle Wow, yeah, I'm gonna use that clip. Yeah, let's do that Everybody gets mad I used to go to your gym. I used to go to your 24 hour fitness gym. Oh, did you really? Yeah, yeah on Keto Oh, I'm saying all my time avoiding you because you'd walk around with this like huge yoga ball And like just like try and talk up people and I see'd see you bring them into the room to do the yoga. Wait a little second, you were actually working out there when I was managing it? I did, yeah.

You'd be there at the front desk with the associate and greeting people and you'd offer to spot people. You stood out in my mind because it was a manager who was doing all these things. And, but yeah, we tried to avoid you most of the time. Because we couldn't, we couldn't lift. We were intimidated by the big buff guy who was like, you know, walking around trying to take a blow. So it's ironic. That's all you know.

Yeah, Sarah Togo was this tiny little club. And wow, Sarah Togo. I was only there for a few months that because before I went to Sunnyvale and then became a general manager. But it was kind of like a test. I was so young. I was 18 and they were like, wow, you remember that.

That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, because we had the past. You kind of go to every once. We also went to the Sunnyvale one as well. Oh, I could do that. Did I ever sell you? Did I ever sell you anything? Did you ever buy anything?

No, we were super shy. Like I just go straight to the cardio machines. You avoided you, dude. Yeah, we avoided you. I don't want to embarrass myself on the yoga ball with Sally. Hey, listen, I played the long game. I played the long machines. You avoided you do. Yeah, we avoided you. I don't want to embarrass myself on the yoga ball with Sal. I played the long. I played the long. I got you. You are now 12 years later. He got you. Yeah, it's like 20 years later. I want it because you stand out like and I'm calling you now. So did you so did you? Did you find the show and then piece that all together or did you actually find

him because of that? How did you? How did you? Yeah, so I found the show and then piece that all together or did you actually find him because of that? How did you how did that? Yeah, so I found the show and then I piece it together because like this guy looks really familiar You know, and then and then you started talking about 25 hour fitness like oh, and then you mentioned keto And then you also mentioned that there was a hot tub that never worked and like that's that's the one Wow, what a small world He looks just like this guy and he looks at me more hair. I tell you, I tell you what, and if you're ever in the area with your buddies or what I like that, you want to come watch a live recording, send us an email, and then send you to your nearby.

You can come stop by and say hi. It'd be great to catch up. Thanks for calling me. Yeah, I love to because I feel like you guys have done so much. You know, I just want to find a way to thank you guys, you know. For sure. You did, you did. Come say hi, Ed.

Thanks, Ed. We'll do. All right, man. Thanks very much. That's that's the location. Wow. I think he remembers it's so great. That's 20 years 20 years ago, bro. Years later. I was such an aggressive kid too, back then.

I was literally I walk around. Oh, you know, it's funny. That's so aggressive that he remembers such as some yoga. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Leave me alone.

Hey, do you take supplements? I, uh, that's the location where somebody passed out. Let's do some yoga. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, leave me alone. Hey, do you take supplements? That's the location where somebody passed out in the jacuzzi, and I had to squat down and pick up this like 250 pound wet dude out of the jacuzzi, put him on the floor, ambulance came and everything, you know, he was okay. But I was a kid. I was 18 years old. Like, somebody gonna die.

You know, my watch is like. Wow. Tiny little club. It was a tiny little club. They don't even own anymore. They sold it. Oh, they don't own a city. Yeah, I was a tiny, tiny little location.

I remember it. I didn't know they sold it though. Yeah, it was really small. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Wow, it's so great. I mean, so back to his question, what we really, what he called in for.

I love this. I'd like this idea of why. Yeah, so do I. Because I mean, this is, we've talked off air about when we kind of get on these kicks, I just did it recently. It was just a month ago or so when I did my little three day fast, like, I love to reset myself before I go into like, okay, I'm going to get focused, start prepping my food again and I think it's a great idea for people to do that. Yeah, I think it brings a lot of insight.

Yes. This if you're coming in with, I just want to get healthier kind of mentality with that. And also, I mean, it's pretty similar to like, I think anybody should do like an elimination diet at some point, you know? So this is kind of in line with that way of thinking. Yeah, and you know what, we should be clear because working with a functional medicine

practitioner or functional medicine team, like Dr. Cabral's team, is not the same thing as 90% of the detox fresh start diet, whatever, those are all complete bullshit, they're all terrible and they do cause people problems. This is different. So this is a functional medicine practitioner, they're trying to identify intolerances,

work on stress inflammation, and that's a great place to get started. I mean, it's not the same as those other things. I actually don't like that they use detox. I don't like that, maybe. Because it's got such a bad communication. Because really what it is is a scheduled controlled, supervised elimination diet. That's a big part of it.

That's what it is. It's really a controlled by a doctor elimination diet, and I love this for a start. Especially if, like, one of the coolest parts about running a fast or doing something like this, this detox for 21 days is as you start to reintroduce foods, if you've never really paid attention to your body's natural signals of a food agrees with you, not, I think it's so, I think it's so enlightening. It's illuminating. Yes. It's empowering, because now you know,

how to navigate going forward with your food decision. Well, and I always notice something that I didn't catch the time before. That's it. I always get a food that I'm like, oh, I thought that agreed with you. And consider that's you. Right.

It's an experience. Right. So what you're doing, now the average person doesn't even have your experience, they get blown away by the stuff that they figure out. Oh my God, I always eat that. I can't believe that's the thing that's causing my hard births or my sleep issues or my skin issues.

And what it is, you know, some people that have never tried it, it's crazy because you're so sensitive because you've kind of, you know, quote unquote detoxed that when you take in a food that doesn't agree with you, the signals are much louder. So like they say you're somebody who has an intolerance, let's say to wheat and you didn't know it

and you always had wheat in your diet all the time. And you have up and down days when it comes to your stool and you don't really know what it's from, but then also you do this elimination diet and then the first time you have some wheat and you're like running to the toilet right away or you feel like a rock and you're so, like that is your body telling you,

like it does not agree with it. It's hard to hear sounds when everything's loud all the time. It's easy when everything's quiet. Then you can hear little sounds and pick things out, and that's exactly what's happening. Doug, is there a website we could send, because I know we have our forum,

but if somebody wants to go to the Dr. Cobrall site and work with them, let's get that, let's get that site so I can... Yeah, I have to look that up. Okay, that's right. I think it's Dr. Steven Cabral.com-for-slash-minem-pump, and I'll double-check that. And then you also have the access to the MP-Holistic Health in the private free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- free- and you can ask in there too. So if you're just curious and you want to know more questions about it, like go inside that form. It's actually stevencobrawl.com. Fort Sashmime pump.

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cursory thank you. I've been an avid listener for about two years or so. And, you know, the content you guys put out is really, you know, helped me a lot. And there I say change my life. Right on, man. But so, so I have a tendency to, when I get nervous, kind of try to make dumb jokes.

So I'll just just stick to the script here. Hey, we're all, Daniel, tell us about your cock on the wall back there. Yeah, we're all dads here. We love, we love to say that. Adam's the first always spot cock. Yeah, and he's, he's as kind of so much as well. So this is like employee housing, you know, so that's not my cock and somebody else's cock. Oh, okay, okay. Explain somebody else's cock. That's a big one too.

I'll jump in the background. I've worked out, you know, straight trying not enough for at least 10 years. But I've been super consistent for probably about 18 months now and a lot of that I can attribute to listening to you guys. You helped me stay consistent there. But my wife and I had a baby in September. And so before that, I worked through anabolic performance. And then I kind of blended those two for a couple months. And it did kind of my own deal with those two programs.

And then I got strong and went through that, loved that. And so then of course after the baby was born, I didn't really have time and consistency to really get a full workout schedule in. So for a little bit, I just kind of basically did mobility and some unilateral work, scattered in wherever I could fit it in. And then luckily, at that perfect time, you guys dropped maps to 15 and I picked that up and I've been doing that for a little while.

And it's been fantastic as well. It's kind of perfectly with my life right now. But the baby is basically at the point that it's, we're lucky enough that he's almost sleep with the night now and he just started daycare. And so I'm kind of getting back to where, you know, pretty soon with the next few weeks, I'm gonna be like, you know, physically

and schedule wise able to kind of go back to a full program. And, you know, of the 18 months that have been consistent, it's basically almost all been focused on trying to lose fat. You know, I did, well, I did strong. I did, you know, probably four, maybe six week bulk there, but it really wasn't very successful. I kind of got sick and stuff like that. Anyway, so now

I'm at the point that I kind of want to turn around in the next year, focus on really building muscle. And so my main goal is over that year to probably put on about eight to ten pounds of muscle and just not, you'm not gonna lose that while I do that, but at least try to maintain kind of. And so my question is, with that new goal in mind, how should I kind of start scaling back up my volume after having two months here where my volume's been very low

and kind of physical stress demand of having a new baby. And should I start back with antibiotic and kind of run through the program just like I did last time, antibiotic performance and strong, or should I look at a total of new program, or how do I set those up to maximize the gains I want to try to make over the next year. I'm looking at your programs right now that you have. I would love to hear what the guys have to say, but I'd love to see you do symmetry, and I'll have Doug send symmetry to you.

So as you get back in, you're running 15 right now, I would go to symmetry first, then out, andabolic, then performance, and then I would run a static after that. Or power lift. Or power lift would be great. Are you doing the advanced version of Master 15, or the... I am, yeah.

Yeah, the advanced version. Oh, yeah, you're gonna be good, dude. I like symmetry right after that, so have Doug send you symmetry. And then I like the power lift or aesthetic after your, uh, andabolic and performance. Yeah, no, you're gonna be good. And, you know, scaling down volume,

which maps 15 does, you didn't stop. In other words, you went from, you know, maps at a ball, or whatever, to maps 15 advanced version. So it's not like you stopped completely. Is that true? No, yeah, I stay consistent throughout. Yeah, you're gonna be okay. You can jump the volume back up and you'll be,

you know what'll happen is you'll feel, you'll probably get a little extra, you'll get extra sore for the first week, and then you're gonna be okay. You can jump the volume back up and you'll be, you know what'll happen is you'll feel, you'll probably get a little extra, you'll get extra sore for the first week, and then you're gonna be fine. When you really need to pay attention to scaling the volume properly, is when you go from nothing to back into working out. That's when it really becomes a issue.

So really the thing to pay attention to is the intensity. So maybe that first week of map symmetry, just keep the intensity moderate, and then go into, you know, maybe more intense. Actually, to be honest, I- I-I-Sometrics. You're right. No, map-perfect.

That's why I think it's perfect. Yeah, I-I-Sometrics, then go to unilateral world. Yeah, you're fine. And then you go to anabolic, and then performance. Okay, really? Yeah, so Doug's gonna send you symmetry on us, and then if there's any programs that you would get later, I'd say aesthetic and power lift.

Okay, well fantastic. Thank you so much. Cool. So, as far as aesthetic goes, I guess just a side question here. The reason I didn't do that last time is because I figured that it had a bunch of kind of cable work and I have a home gym and I just really don't have, you know, cable set up is that, so should I look toward power lift or is that, is there modifications I can do to that program? You can modify either one.

Yeah. You know, with the cable exercises with aesthetic dumbbell exercises can be substituted in bands. Bands. And bands can be substituted as well. And we have that. The dumbbell mods on that one, right? Yeah. And also we have that home blueprint for that too.

If you want to do just the dumbbell version, but yeah, I think he bands will suffice. Yep. Totally. I mean, remember cables, it's not like cables are like these big compound gross motor movements. They're really designed to, you know, connect and squeeze and you can get that with bands, no problem. Okay, awesome.

Yeah, you got it, man. And congratulations on the... Thank you guys so much. And congratulations on the baby, huh? Yeah, absolutely. Having all the fun. Yeah, man, good stuff, man. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, that's Good stuff, man. Thanks for calling in.

Yeah, that's a good, you know, I forgot about that. Symmetry starts off. I spiritually. Yeah, props to him for, you know, sticking with it. Like, I think we literally created Mass 15 for like a new parent. Yeah, it's the perfect program for that. Oh, that's the time you get. Yeah, 15 minutes.

Oh, you get. Yeah. And to keep it going and be consistent is going to be so much easier for him to get right. I mean, I love to hear somebody who has a story like that who's been using our programs for the last couple of years, had all these great results, and ended up having a kid, ends up transitioning into maps 15. It's like, but never really stopped.

It's keep a beat. Yeah, one of the biggest myths with fitness and challenges that people encounter is they think, if I can't do it this way, then it's not worth it at all. So if I can't do it the way I was doing it before, then why waste my time? It is never a waste of time. Exercise should be molded to fit your lifestyle. That's how you get all the value out of it.

And if you fall into that, well, if I can't go crazy hardcore, then I'm not gonna do anything at all. You're gonna have a rough time with your progress over the years. In fact, you'll find yourself just taking two all, you're gonna have a rough time with your progress over the years. In fact, you'll find yourself just taking two steps, four, two steps back every time. Our next color is Arturo from Indiana. Arturo, how can we help you?

Hey guys, happy to be here. I want to do the thankful bid of the introduction first. You've helped me and you've helped me help my family and friends. So double things for that, just any of your introductions and even products that you promote are especially good for us. But in my background, I'm 33, 510, about 88 kilograms, which is like 195, relatively new to weight lifting. As in two years due to the pandemic is when I started, you know, the cool programs or workouts out there, like the Wolverine

workout or the 300, you know, beginner stuff. Eventually, I started running into your guys' content, running the ball, like 18 months ago ago and just fell in love with it. Then got into performance and right before you started promoting power lift or strong, I started doing five by five mode of training. Been liking lifting heavy, been getting strong. I haven't focused much on the weight on the scale as much as the plates on the bar, how I feel, but that's what brings me to you. I've been feeling pains, I've been feeling stiffness, some joint issues, I've been running for about 12 weeks now and it's getting to the point

that every plate as little as it be on the bar. I'm like, well, I don't know if this is going to be the one that snaps it or can I keep going? Because of all the content that you put out there, I know that there's a ton of ways that I can sort of pivot from here, whether it's like multiple plates of motion or more mobility or like short of workouts, lighter weights, but I now have analysis paralysis and I have no idea which way to go from here and if that's going to be the best one. Yeah. First off, I want to say that if five by five, you know, or strong lifts, this is a very

kind of old school tried and in true tested workout program. And it's good. It's actually one of the better workout programs. But like all workout programs, there's positives and negatives and the longer you stay on it, the more you get the negatives and the less you get the positives. And one of the things that you're experiencing is quite common. Training this style, eventually what you start to notice is joint pain. You start to notice in balances, instability because it's very, it's basic, which is what makes it good, but the

basicness, the working on one plane of motion, is also what starts to cause problems. So, it's definitely time to switch to something that's going to create more balance in your body. I think map symmetry would be perfect. That would be a perfect program for you to follow. And then after that, you could try something like map strong or even map aesthetic, you know or split which is more bodybuilding style, but symmetry is gonna I it's gonna totally tackle all of the issues that are coming up for you right now following Five by five. I think you've just gone too long on it. That's what that's what's happened

My recommendation would be exactly that would be symmetry and then go towards more because it sounds like we haven't Spent much time in the bodybuilding type of mentality, and I think that would serve you right now. As amazing as the 5x5s are, and amazing as anabolic is, like, those type, that way of training, I think your body's talking to you now, and it's time to take care of it, symmetry, which is isometric unilateral work, which I think is going to serve you very well, and then going to something that's a little bit more bodybuilder focused, like aesthetic or split, I think is the move for sure for now.

And then you could go back after that, then you could return to like a power lift or a strong 5x5, but give the body a little bit of rest on the real heavy, heavy 5x5 type of training, and just see how it responds and see if you notice you feel a lot better. Yeah, you'll build more muscles, what's going to happen? Do you have a Maps Prime Pro? No, I only have the Prime. Okay, so Prime is good, Prime Pro is gonna get even deeper, and that's gonna allow you, if you really like

the style of training, because look, this is me, right? I go in and out of different training styles, but I like to live mostly in heavy style training. It's just what I enjoy the most. So I tend to go there most often. And Prime Pro allows me to stay in there longer. Now I'm not saying it's the solution, like I could just stay in it forever

because I have Prime Pro because eventually I have to move out of it too. But it allows me to stay in there longer so I can do what I enjoy more. And that's what Prime Pro does. It allows people to train the way that they love more often without having to move into something else.

Not saying that it's an issue moving into something else, that's what you need to do, but everybody has a preference. And that is a value. Part of the value of training is doing what you love. And if you want to continue to train this way a little bit longer, stretch it out a little bit more, then Prime Pro, I think, would be something

that would help you out. But we'll send you a map symmetry. I think that's the start. Yeah, start there. I think everybody agrees. That that would help you out. But we'll send you Maps Symmetry. I think that's the start. Yeah, I think everybody agrees. That's the place to start. Totally. Definitely. Thank you.

Yeah, my goal is basically that just strength and mobility. The aesthetics are not an issue for me. I like to look good, but I know that's a byproduct. I do like that feeling of feeling solid, full. I just pumped with air. So yeah, I really appreciate the advice and everything. You got it, man. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, I appreciate it. You got it, I care. You know what this reminds me of? What's that saying in business? It's like, you got

to do this stuff. You don't want to do. So you can do the stuff you want to do. You know, I mean, so things you have to do now. So you do the things you want to do later. That's it. That's the one right there. And it's just if you're going to do this for a long time, I mean, you know, that's what you have to do eventually. Eventually, the perfect program is not the right program. Well, what I love about symmetry too is like we have that at phase four. Like you're going to be able to see what that does literally to a five by five style of training. It's really going to enhance that. And I think, you know, between any power lift or any strength athlete in general should really just take that extra time

and go through a phase of unilateral training. And look, I can't stress this enough. You will hit PRs doing this. And I think that the fear, and I know this, because I'll feel it myself, is if I move away from the style of tremoloos strength, I'm not gonna hit that number that I want to hit, no, it's like, you know, what do they say?

It's like, you know, pulling back a bow, right? It's like, yeah, you got to take a step back, but only so you can fire the arrow much further. And that's exactly what happens. And I just experienced that now, hitting, you know, some numbers I haven't hit a long time because I went through a long period of training in ways that, you know, I tend to neglect.

Well, you hit it on the head on the thing that's probably the most challenging for somebody who goes into symmetry is to especially like this because we tend to recommend it to somebody like this that would serve their body well is, okay, I love heavy five by five and go into isometrics is a dramatic difference. I mean, it's the complete opposite of the spectrum. I mean, it's a shell shell.

Yeah, here's no weight, buddy. You know, just squeeze and work. So, I think the hardest part is the mental shift for someone like that. And then even after they run a phase of isometrics, then you tell them, oh, you gotta go unilateral. So again, they're totally different. Doing a lot less weight than what they're used

to putting on the bar. So, I think the biggest challenge of symmetry is disciplining yourself to follow it as it's laid out, but trust the process because then you get to the phase where you get to go test what happens when you actually take care of your body like that. 100% look, if you like, Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out our guides.

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