Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1963: How to Determine Your Ideal Body Weight, the Truth About Lifting to Failure & Muscle Growth, the Real Value of Supersets & More

Episode Date: December 9, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: When you are looking at your fitness routine and diet, there are a few things you want to consider: Longevity vs. quality of life. (2:20) Welcome to the world Dahlia Magdalena! (14:27) Family pride. (20:24) Moms are champions. (25:20) Why are the guys embarrassed for James Cameron? (29:03) Adam is a BIG corduroy guy. (36:24) Recapping the Mind Pump Live event with Max Lugavere. (38:05) When a conspiracy theory may be plausible. (42:52) The meatball showdown! (46:45) When will consumer spending slow down? (48:38) How fatherhood changes the brain. (52:46) An update for the Mind Pump Rental in Utah. (55:35) Twitter is becoming AMAZING! (59:42) Shout out to @realgame.athletics! (1:03:34) #Quah question #1 - How do you find your ideal weight? I’m not sure where I should be. (1:04:49) #Quah question #2 - I normally train with high intensity but leave a rep or two in the tank. Is going to failure every set better for hypertrophy? (1:12:12) #Quah question #3- Are supersets necessary if time is NOT an issue? (1:16:11) #Quah question #4 - If all affiliates are vetted for “our interest,” why do some get dropped? Did their product change? (1:18:54) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! December Promotion: At-Home Holiday Bundle (MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Suspension, MAPS PRIME and The No BS 6-Pack Formula all for the low price of $99.99!) The health benefits of strong relationships James Cameron,‘Avatar’ Director, Calls Testosterone A ‘Toxin,’ Here’s The Response 'Liver King' ripped after leaked email claims $11K a month steroid use Polybius: The Most Dangerous Arcade Game in the World Black Friday online sales top $9 billion in new record Fatherhood Changes Men’s Brain, according to Before-and-After MRI Scans Bullet Train (2022) - IMDb Watch Wednesday | Netflix Official Site White House fact-checked by Twitter's community notes feature on jobs creation claims Twitter user growth is at "all-time highs" under Elon Musk Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Overtraining Is KILLING Your Gains! (How Much Is Too Much?) | Mind Pump TV Mind Pump #1142: Nine Signs You Are Overtraining How To Use Supersets For Maximum Muscle Gain – Mind Pump Blog Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 15% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01™ Daily Synbiotic** Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere) Instagram Liver King (@liverking) Instagram Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks) Instagram Brooke Elle Waters (@brookeellewaters) Instagram Elon Musk (@elonmusk) · Twitter Alex Whitehair (@realgame.athletics) Instagram

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want to consider. One is longevity. Will this help me live longer, but also balance it out with quality of life. Am I also enjoying my life more today and now? So the reason why I'm bringing this up is because... Yeah, explain that. That can be a little confusing because quality of life versus longevity seem like they would be kind of the same, one and the same. Yes, so here's a great example, right? I'm going out, I'm gonna go out with you guys. We haven't gone out in a little while. So we're hanging out, we're having a good time

and we're drinking alcohol. We're enjoying ourselves with some drinks. What's probably my fault? What's Justin wearing? Yeah, what do you want to pick the picture? Let's pick the whole picture here. Not a lot of really short words. Dude, so sorry, I really just, I really did it for you.

So anyway, no, but like we're going out and we're hanging out and having had that with you guys a while. And we're getting, and we're getting drinks and we're getting a little tipsy. I'm definitely not contributing to my longevity, right? I'm definitely not contributing to my quote unquote, like physiological health in that, in the,

I guess the conventional standings or setting, but I am improving my quality of life. I'm enjoying my life. I'm enjoying the time that I'm spending with you. And this is an important thing to balance. So fitness fanatics sometimes mess up because they sacrifice quality and enjoyment for this like either performance or they sacrifice for enjoyment for this performance

or they sacrifice for longevity's sake, they sacrifice enjoying themselves with friends, families, birthday parties, that kind of stuff. And then on the flip side, you can also be at a balance where it's all about right now. It's all about eating food that I enjoy right this second. It's all about relaxing right now, but they're sacrificing the future and the longevity.

So it is this balance that you have to look at. And this is why you'll hear us talking about enjoying ourselves and having fun and we'll smoke the occasional joint or we'll have the occasional drink. That's, we're definitely not thinking about like longevity when we're doing that. We're not thinking of health and the physiological sense.

We're thinking more of like well, this is quality life I'm connecting with people and I'm enjoying myself and it's this balance. Well two biohacking two thoughts on that one That's dead. There's a very fine line there. I feel like it's a balance um and then two I actually think you can make the argument that When you are making that decision for, you know, quote unquote, quality of life, it is also longevity though. I mean, when you share the research around the importance of relationships in relation to longevity,

the, it plays a bigger factor than many of the things that we do to pursue longevity. I'm so glad you said that. So, 100%. So there's actually a part of that where it may not feel like you are pursuing longevity by making a decision to drink with your friends at night. But if it enhances your relationships

with other people, friends, family, and acquaintances like that, then there are values to that that are attached to longevity. I'm so glad you went there because that's very true. There are things that we do in the moment to enjoy ourselves that also, I believe, in the data, like you said, Adam, will support, will also, I believe, in the data, like you said, Adam will support, will also contribute to longevity.

For example, you have some studies that'll show that one glass of wine a day contributes to longevity. These are poorly done studies because the controls aren't phenomenal. What I think that's happening is people who have one drink a night, not tan or fiber, just one drink, they're probably doing it with people around them and bonding with them. So what's contributing to longevity? Is it the wine or is it the socialization

and the connecting with the people around them? Yeah, I think a lot of that is misleading because you'll get a lot of certain things like that that'll come up, resveratrol or things like that. They'll try and kind of pin it to like one specific thing, but I think it's just really just the flexibility. And like taking a little bit of the air out of the intensity of always having to be super rigid about, well, this is like the most healthy option for me always. And I have to stay in that lane to be able to, you know, drag

this out for, you know, more years. It's's gonna add more years to my life versus really the social component, the flexibility, the ability to navigate through and do things that you enjoy with everybody else. It's true for workouts too. There's definitely, I could construct a very balanced, ideal, perfect. This is what your workout program should look like,

long term for longevity, mobility, flexibility, strength, the whole deal. But like, what if you're like super like, you know, yeah, that's cool and I'll do some of that because I love bodybuilding or I love powerlifting. Like that's my like real passion with fitness and it may be a little extreme and yes, I could be devoting more time

to these other fitness pursuits in the pursuit of longevity. But man, I love like lifting heavy. Or I love, you know, training in these extreme ways sometimes. Also, I also think that that's not just okay. I think that's probably the way you should do it. Because you want to find that enjoyment. I was actually talking to somebody at the live event that we just had and we were talking about that in terms of like just looking at it more as a cyclical thing.

It's a big pie that like inevitably there's going to be a part of the pie that's like you're going to neglecting. And you know, to be able to constantly kind of address and see where those deficits lie and just adjust and do them sequentially in season. I'm gonna focus on this, but then I know this is probably gonna drop off, and then I'm gonna come back and revisit it,

and just keep that accountability of I've been focused a lot on performance right now, and therefore I have to come back and maybe address my joint health and kind of slow down a bit and add more lifestyle focus. So it's just like something that life is dynamic. It's not like this linear thing that it's always just gonna work out in a straight line.

Now, how much self-awareness you think is required for this, though, I feel like you quickly can start smelling your own farts and thinking that. This is for my longevity. This is better for me. And then you start justifying these behaviors and then it becomes the opposite of your pursuit of longevity. So how much self-awareness is required for someone to be able to do this? You need good friends.

Yeah, and you need constant practice where you can. To check out yourself. Yeah, where you examine self-awareness. So for someone that might look like prayer or it might look like meditation, where you kind of take this big view of everything and you look at everything, you know,

is that really like I know that, you know, drinking can sometimes improve my quality, but am I really drinking to improve my quality life or is sometimes it to avoid life, for example, right? Or to distract myself. Yeah, I know I like to train a particular way, but am I really going too far and is it causing problems for me?

Am I being honest with myself, you know, that type of stuff? So I think that's a big part of it because otherwise you're right, you'll get lost. I mean, we all do. I've gotten lost in the, you know, oh yeah, this is great. Oh yeah, and then eventually, I'm killing it.

Yeah, the signals get so loud you can ignore it. And you go, yeah, well, I wasn't being very honest with myself. I wasn't really examining it from that standpoint. So I think that's a constant thing. I mean, I feel like we've seen a lot of that in particular the cannabis space, right? Because the pendulum has swung so far in the opposite. Like just 10, 15 years ago, it was so taboo

and it was still considered bad and like definitely nobody in the health and fitness. And then it cured everything. Yeah, now it cures everything. It's so amazing. Maybe every like, all over a bottle. And I'm guilty of this, right? I'm just as guilty of attaching all the things that when I think about all the positive things about it,

when I also recognize that it has a dark side to it, it can still, even though it doesn't have addictive properties in it, it still can become an addictive behavior, especially when you start to rationalize how good it is for you. And I feel like I've seen that more in the last three to five years than I ever have, and including myself. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, it was good for me. All these health benefits.

It's just like, okay, when you start doing that and justifying some of these behaviors that are probably not benefiting you. and it's just like, okay, when you start doing that and justifying some of these behaviors that are probably not benefiting you. Well, okay, so let me ask you, cause anything can be bad, I guess, quote unquote bad for you. If it becomes, if you develop a bad relationship with it or if you start to develop addictive,

I guess an addictive relationship to anything, right? Exercise can do that. Pornography, television, food. Yeah, yeah. I mean, even a friend, you can develop a bad relationship it could depend do that. Portography, television, food. Any food. Any, I mean, even a friend, you can develop a bad relationship, a code-dependent relationship. So what does that look like for you

when you're looking at something like that? When do you say to yourself like, okay, I need to back off? Are there signs that you look for or things that you? Yeah, but I think that when I consistently am doing something like that, that I know is not ideal and healthy. Like when it just becomes too often, too frequently.

When the frequency of it, and when I catch myself justifying it, like when I catch myself going like, oh yeah, or I'll say something to someone else, I'm like, oh, I can see I'm selling myself my own bullshit. And I'm aware of it. When we're the biggest buyers of our own bullshit. Yeah, no, 100%. And I tell you why, and you'm aware of it. When we're the best, we're the biggest buyers of our own bulls-y. Yeah, no, 100%.

And I tell you why, and you've brought this up before, that this podcast has been one of the coolest, you know, tools of reflection, because, you know, I want, I'll either hear myself say it later on and then edit or something, or someone else will say, oh, you said this or Katrina will say, like, I didn't know you felt that way about it. And then I'll be like, I don't know, do I really?

Or I did say that, didn't I? Like, do I believe that? So, yeah. Yeah, how many times that's happened to me where I'll listen to one of our episodes, and I'll hear myself and be like, oh, yeah. That was, that was,

it's actually one of my favorite parts. I'm not quite how I was trying to articulate it. Or just like, that sounds like I was selling myself. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's one of my favorite parts about this business that I didn't go into it thinking. Like, I didn't think it was like, hey, I want to get into podcasting with you guys,

so it would be an awesome growth vehicle. Yeah, that was not what I did for the therapy. Yeah, no, I didn't think of that at all, but it's naturally happened because you do. You, we record something and we put it out there. It's forever out there. And so it really makes you start to evaluate what you say and do you really end your beliefs. You imagine, what if couples, this would never happen, but what if couples,

like, when they're about to argue, they hit record on something? That way they could play it later. Well, you remember that? Wasn't that a very linear episode? Yes episode where you could go back and replay. Oh my god. Oh, yeah. I want to freak me out because it's like, that's feasible.

It seems like I feel like they really could do something like that. It very just. Yeah, like imagine that. Like you could just go back and I actually zoom in. I actually think we're going to see it. I mean, I mean, you see, uh, you know, you samples of that in sports with mean, I mean, you see, you know,

you samples of that in sports with how far the replay has come and everyone thought that you could. Talk about an ego check. That's not what I said. That's not what I said. Oh yeah. We play the tape. Oh, yeah.

Has it ever happened you? So what text will do that sometimes, right? Like, I'll, you know, be talking to Jessica. And she'll be like, well, you said this. And like, no, I didn't. She says, yeah, you did. And then I'll scroll up and be like, oh, shit. I totally, like, I'm not even pretending to no, I didn't. She says, yeah, you did. And then I'll scroll up and be like, oh, shit. I totally, like, I'm not even pretending to think

that I didn't. I literally believed that I didn't say it that way. Yeah. Pretty wild. That'll be a super ego. Shack of blaster. What did you, what did you guys think? I mean, it's crazy.

We really haven't been together. That was such a unique last two weeks for us, right? We had a week around Thanksgiving and then we had the... Well, you know what, let me get in there because we... So we recorded ahead of time with podcasts so that we could air them because we were preparing for... Your baby. The baby.

And I haven't announced on the podcast, but the baby... Baby, Dahlia Magdalena was born. She was born on the 20th of November, which was perfect timing. So, no, wonderful. Baby was born right when it would have been perfect for us to take time off. And it was, dude, I'll tell you this birth

was such a different experience from the last one. Really awesome. Oh, bro. On the positive side, I imagine. So we experienced with the railiest the what they call the the sequence of intervention or the cascading interventions that happen when you go to give birth in a traditional hospital and so the the everything feels like a crisis. Well, what happens is you you show up and of course they prod you poke you test this test that

that tends to cause either conscious or subconscious anxiety in the mother, because it feels like an emergency situation, right? Everybody's rushing, freaking out a little bit. That can cause the labor to slow down or stop or things to tighten up. And then of course, you're not progressing enough or fast enough, so the next,

the first intervention tends to be Potosin. Potosin causes contractions that are far more intense and without the natural breaks that tend to happen between contractions naturally. So you get these hard contractions. They're really, really intense. They come one after another because they're artificially happening.

And then you can't tolerate the pain because it's just relentless. you get an epidural. Now you have an epidural, you're disconnected from half your body, which then makes pushing a baby out or making that process happen more challenging. You can't get up and move, right? Cause you're stuck. You can't move your body.

Which by the way, I would actually, I would add to that, that's already an area that is challenging for a woman to connect to, like muscular one, muscle-wise, right? It's like teaching someone to draw on their core for the very first time, and they're like, what do you mean by that? You have to push and relax at the same time.

Right, right, right. And so you're asking someone to do something that is typically very difficult for the average person. And then you put, you numb them. Like that, I've always thought that was really crazy. Like that we expect a woman to be able to control those muscles while also being numbed in that area.

Right. And because the environment in a hospital, my hospitals are phenomenal at treating emergencies. And pregnant women going in for birth. It definitely gives you that vibe, like this is an emergency. And so then you get the epidural and then it's not happening or whatever. For whatever reason, oh, baby's heart rate

is starting to slow down, C section. So the C section rate in some hospitals is almost 50%, which is insane, absolutely insane. That makes no sense evolutionarily speaking. So anyway, we experienced that with the railiest, partially because we had scheduled a birth with midwives, which midwives are, they are experts in natural delivery. If anybody in the world understands natural childbirth, it's a midwife. That's what they do. OBS deliver babies, but they're surgeons, that's what their training is in. So we had it scheduled, but because it went past two weeks,

past due, the law says, midwives are not allowed to deliver your baby, you have to go to the hospital. So our options were stay at home and just do this on our own, which we're gonna do, or go to the hospital. So that's why this all happened. So then she had the C section, and then through that process, the rate, there's a lower rate of successful latching

for the baby, the breast mocus and cumbersome fats. So it's just much more challenging thing, plus you had a major surgery, the whole deal, right? Well, with Dahlia, luckily, you know, we scheduled it in a birth center with the midwives, and the experience was so crazy different. It was remarkably different. Like, she's going through some of the early labor at home and we have a doula, we call the doula and the doula

is, we have this app that tracks the contractions. I know you guys use it to you right where you're looking at the contractions and the doula is like, oh, you guys are moving quick, get to the birth center, we get there, doula meets us there, we're waiting for the midwife. And so Jessica's laboring in the parking lot. And just the way that the Dula and the midwives, first off, I've never been in such feminine, wisdom, energy in my entire life. I literally was in awe the entire time. The calmness and the energy and

the, just the wisdom that these women had, like I felt zero anxiety. I felt like I was in the hands of just these, these goddesses that knew exactly what, so we had two midwives there, the doula, we're laboring in the birth center. So we have the tub and the bed and the whole deal and the contractions were different than when she had Potosan. So we have the tub and the bed and the whole deal and the contractions were different than when she had Potosan. So it's almost like her body, when she would get too exhausted, the gaps between the contractions would lengthen a little bit. And there was a period there before we were at the end where her body almost gave her a break for like 20 minutes. And they told us, oh yeah, this is going to happen. This happens. Your body's

giving you a break because we're going to pushing. We're almost you know there or whatever and Then you know we had the baby and it was the most remarkable Insane crazy like I'm not you guys know. I'm not like a big like I don't cry a ton or whatever I lost it man baby came out and I was just it was absolutely incredible It was the most amazing experience in my entire life and then you know four or five hours later We go home. We don't spend the night there. We go home because the first deep sleep, they said it's really important you go home, the baby needs to sleep real deep.

So we drove home and then it's just so different. Night and day different. So, so, I mean, she's healed better. The latching happened faster, everything happened faster. It was just, or better. It was remarkable. That's so, that's so incredible. You cried. I cried. Did you cry over the's so that's so incredible. You you cried I cried

Did you cry over the holidays cry? Yeah, why'd you cry over the holidays? I Cryed at my Thanksgiving speech. Oh, yeah, I didn't I didn't see that coming either I You know we have this tradition where we right right before we eat We say a prayer and then everybody goes around the table and says something they're thankful for and We were up at the trucky house and And I I totally knew what I was gonna say because it was on my mind during that week that I was with family But I didn't realize how heavy it was until I set it and then I started I couldn't get through I was like crying so bad grab my brother and everybody started the whole table started crying What it was I I kind of chuckle when I think back

like what it was, because someone else would be like, that's kind of funny that you would cry over that. But I felt so much love for, because we were with Katrina's family, mostly Katrina's family had someone mind, but mostly her family was there. And we've had the opportunity to experience that house now for I think three or four years.

Are we going on the fourth year Doug? Four years will be the next. 2019. Yeah. So that's three years. Three years going on for that we've had had this place and have had the opportunity experience it with a lot of family, a lot of friends. Most of all my family and friends have now been up there at least once or twice. And every time I have lots of people there, it's not very relaxing for me. I find myself. Like, is your hosting? Yeah, one, because I'm hosting too, because the place is so nice.

And I want it taking care of. And so I've, and a lot of people in one place, it's, it's, it's, so I'm running behind everybody. I have a lot of pride. And as you guys do in that place. And her, her family is just the best when it comes to, especially her brother, Andy, who you guys know pretty well.

Like every time I would come out of my room with that, like he would, I'd seen with the the broom sweeping the floors or doing the dishes or changing light bulbs for us. I was fixing sinks if there was any sort of drip or I mean, and it gave me this like sense of, like I could just be there for the whole week, be with the family, not be thinking about the house the whole time and like, I didn't realize how much emotion was built up from that when until I started saying thank you, Terba,

then, whoa. So I cried, then everybody else started crying. I was like, oh my God, I don't know, I knew it was a big deal, I don't know it was that big of a deal for me that I didn't feel like. But I mean, do you guys feel that way? Yeah. You see me.

I mean, you guys go up there with family. So like that, how do you guys feel? I mean, that's how it is for me. Fortunately, with my family, everybody's very respectful of the house. I mean, they all have nice houses and so they're used to it. But yeah, so I've never really had a lot of people come up. Usually it's just me and the girlfriend or just a couple other people.

Your brother or whatever. And everybody's been really good. But not everybody does share that same respect for the house. I mean, I've taken off my shoes at my own house for, boy, 25 years. Yeah, me too. And we do that up there. And a lot of people have a real problem with that. It's like, why make us take our shoes off? house for boy, 25 years. Yeah, me too. And we do that up there.

And a lot of people have a real problem with that. It's like, why you make us take our shoes off? And it's like, well, get me walking outside and stepping in dog crap and all that. Well, especially in there, because you got mud and rain and snow. And so you don't just track in a little bit. You track in like all kinds of mud. It's always funny to me that there's resistance with that with some people. Yeah, it's ironically though, it's funny.

My wife's family is way better at that stuff too. They're very, very attention to detail, helpful, very respectful to place, more so than even my own family. It's interesting, and I do definitely appreciate it. Notice it. It's just one of those things you just see, you know, how people kind of like carry themselves and like help out and they're just like doing things.

It makes you feel way better. I always thought it was weird when, like if I go to someone's house, I'm care whose house it is and we eat or whatever, I always try to offer to clean up and help, you know, watch the dishes or whatever. I was kind of raised that way. I just said that's part of your culture.

It is, it's weird when you have people over and they don't do that kind of stuff and they just sit there and okay, whatever, but it kind of raised that way. That's part of your culture. It is. It's weird when you have people over and they don't do that kind of stuff and they just sit there and okay, whatever, but it kind of feels weird. Yeah, like hey, don't you? I don't know, it feels nice. And I'll tell people to sit down, by the way, I don't expect you to help,

but I do like the offer for you to get up and, you know. Yeah, it makes a world of a difference for me. I mean, it was the first time that I had spent a week up there that I felt like I really got to just relax and enjoy the place. Many, a lot of times we'll go on like a trip like that and then afterwards I'll take a treat and like I want to go up there by ourselves next time. Like I want to go right back.

So I can actually relax. Yeah, so good relax and actually feel like I enjoy the place because I felt like the whole time I was like serving everybody which I don't mind that too. Like I liked, I like to share my things with people and I like to show people a good time. So, but no means am I complaining, but I realized that I do that a lot and I didn't realize how much it was so nice to just relax like that.

And it all came out when I said thank you to my brother and my family, so much. Yeah, I think for me, the big thing besides the baby being born, which obviously was remarkable, is watching my wife be just a warrior. And then as a man, I can't do anything like to take it away, other than hugger and holder the whole time. And so watching her do this, and just be just a champion,

just bearing the entire burden of this process. And being so, I don't know, in awe. I remember you saying that. Yeah, you know, that's, I talked about this the live event with some people that asked about, like just admiring her strength and what you did. It's like, wow. I didn't have the, I didn't have the typical first time father response that I heard from so many people,

like so many dads I know, didn't feel connected to the baby very much until the actual birth happened and then I mean I've heard the story from my mom, my father cried, she'd never seen my father cry, he cried when I was born. Like I hear that story a lot like it hits man like when the baby gets there then it's like boom this over one. I didn't have that so much for Max like that. I, the thing that rocked my world was my connection with Katrina. That was, and it was exactly what you just said, was watching her champion that whole process

and like just, it was like watching her in the most brutal fight and her wanting to give up but then still getting back up. And then like, and I can't do anything but be there and cheer her on and being like, oh my God, I would quit if I was here. She was so exhausted in between contractions. She'd pass out, fall asleep. Like she was out.

And then another one would hit and wake her up. And I'm watching her do this. I'm like, oh my God, you're a beast. I saw a fear in Katrina's eyes and I had never, I had in 12 years I'd never seen in that like just fucking, melted me, I was like, oh my God. Quit, just quit, we don't have to do it. You know what?

Go ahead, go ahead, quit. Well, so one thing I did, right? Is I filmed from start to finish, I did a bunch of filming. Now, I wanna be clear, I'm not an asshole who gets the phone to film all the time. She was very explicit with me beforehand. You need to film everything. I got all these videos of her, you know, like, you know, going, you know, you know,

Have you guys been watching? Oh, yeah, we've watched all. But it's funny because I show people that and I'm like, I wonder if they think I'm like, you know, why my wife's like, like, a social media guy. Yeah. Oh my God, this guy's so narcissistic, did he put his phone down? She's totally in tune. No, she literally packed tripods. No, we don't want to phone up here. I want to phone up here recording.

I want to do this and that. So I'm like, all right, you want a chapter in this. Bring this steady cam. Yeah, that's pretty fun. I mean, there's part of me that probably wishes that I have had a clip of that moment. I mean, it's forever ingrained in me that I feel like I can replay it in my own head,

but it would probably have been neat to see. It is cool. We have a save now, so. I mean, I like hearing the story from her mom and her sister were the only two people that were in the room. And so here in them tell the story of us at that time. So I have, like I feel.

Dude, I had a moment with my, because we had Dahlia, it came home, and then, you know, we have Aralius, and my older kids. There was a moment where I was on the couch, and I was holding Dahlia. Aralius was next to me. My other son's next to me,

and my other daughter's next, there's all of my kids, like, four of them, sitting with me on the couch. Just a big full family. Are you kidding? Dude, I felt like my chest was gonna explode. Like, there was too much inside. Oh, it's the greatest feeling all the time.

That was great man. How asleep going though right now? Wait, I mean, it's challenging, but it's way better than it was with the Relius. So, but she's still, you know, obviously, of course you have a baby, it's gonna be, especially if you breastfeed, it's gonna be, you know, it's gonna be some sleep deprivation involved.

Now speaking of men crying, James Cameron, you guys see his tweet? Oh my God. Wow. I've never wanted to slap this guy. Something related to testosterone. I don't know if you could pull it up. It's literally the most ridiculous embarrassing,

inaccurate, very embarrassed for him. It's so stupid. And for people who deny that there's this kind of like mainstream media war on men, no, there is 100% a war on men. And it's constant. And he's an example of him talking about how testosterone is toxic. Yeah. Well, can we read the actual quote?

Because I mean, it's, it was something about like trying to get it out of your system completely, like, like, men need to work it out because it's a toxin. Yeah. It's testosterone. What you got for a toxin? Yeah, I'm trying to open it. It says avatar director James Cameron says testosterone is a toxin. Men must terminate from their system.

Okay. First of all, is he trying to do, first of all, if you, if you, obviously testosterone in the context of conversation is proxy for male, men, right? So if I say estrogen, estrogen should be, should be eliminated,

I'm talking about women. So he's talking about men. Number one, number two, this is, it's physiologically inaccurate because men with low testosterone are more aggressive, more irritable, less innovative, worse fathers, worse husbands, they're sick,

they die earlier, so it's just totally unhealthy. And it's inaccurate that testosterone is toxic. It's not a talk, it's a hormone, and we have a balance of hormones and a man with healthy testosterone is... Okay, I don't know with healthy to stuff. I don't know if I buy it. I have such a hard time right now with the amount of bullshit that we see on social media and how much stuff is fabricated in order to get attention. The liver king, right?

We talked a little bit about that with Max, when Max was here, and I mean, I 100% believe he had the foresight on all of this. You have to know that eventually, you're running around with your shirt off and you're jacked on, you know, $15,000 worth of hormones that sooner or later it was going to come out and I don't think he fucking cared.

I think he knew that he was gonna get enough attention. The same thing goes for something like this. Sometimes I think like James Cameron has the avatars coming out again, right? Hopefully is another massive blockbuster he's hoping for. And what a great way to stir up conversation about him then just put some bullshit post or tweet

like this out to get people. No way. Talking about it. Here's why I disagree with that. That is going to get them less sales watch. So most people would say that about liver king. Most people would say him lying like you. Totally different market. That's a totally different market.

I, you know how many? Same game though. Different market. I don't know. You know how many movies have lost because of the producer or the director or the actors make it like this like Weird political thing. I mean listen to get sales. I'm not necessarily saying that for sure It's that scenario, but boy am I so skeptical about anything that gets posted these days because Many times it does come out that it was a or he knows he's gonna get a lot of attention and limelight

because the movie's gonna do what it's gonna do regardless. It's now that he has the shining attention. It's like, I'm gonna go ahead and put out my own thoughts and agendas and political stances and whatever because I feel like now I have this platform that everybody's paying attention. So here's what I, so I'll read you what the quote, what the tweets say. And then I have my own theory.

What did I say? Doug highlighted what did I say? Low T is probably why this took him 10 years to get it. Yeah, I'm a tarseed call. Yeah, 10 years. So, so here's what he wrote. And then I'll tell you what my theory is. This is the tweet, a lot of things I did earlier,

I wouldn't do career wise and just risk that you take as a wild testosterone poison young man. I always think of testosterone. So as a toxin that you have to slowly work out your system, here's what I think. I think who's he hanging out? No, I think you'd be more beta. I think some shit is going to come out about James Cameron when he was younger. I think either he got confronted or some bullshit came out and he's trying to make it like, yeah, no, you're just a young stupid kid. That's probably, you know,

that's what it wasn't your testosterone. Interesting. That's what I think. That's not a bad theory either. I think to me, there's like more that meets the eye here. Like I don't think that it's as simple as maybe this is like really, I believe there's probably some sort of play here,

whether it is to get ahead of something that may potentially come out later, so he can use that as his defense and say that, you know, a apology or whatever, or my point of just creating drama talking about it. Is he all in on the whole climate issues and veganism? And like, I mean, I think he's like attached to all that stuff, right?

Maybe. Well, I know, okay, here's like attached to all that stuff right? Maybe. Well I know okay here's one thing I can throw shade on him though. Like I know he for sure put out like a state a long time ago that like he had all these same ideas of Star Wars and was really mad when it came out that like he didn't put his out at that. Yeah he literally said like he came up with like everybody has that. Everybody has that. And still like what I do in Vigica about I was like, I invented, I had that idea.

I had that idea. Well, thank God. Did you pronounce it been dark shit? Hey, my dad does that, except not heating and inventing, Italians invented it. I don't care what it is. You know, an Italian was the first one. I had a friend to come up with that idea.

Like, come on, dad. Everybody's everything, we invented everything. Listening to my conversations. No, I, it's, it. Everybody, everything, we invented everything. Listening in on my conversation. No, it annoys a shadow of me because it promotes this narrative first off that somehow testosterone is a bad hormone. It's not a bad hormone, it's just a hormone. And a man that has balanced healthy testosterone levels

is less likely to be mentally ill, less likely to be negatively aggressive. Because here's the thing, there's a lot of confusion. Like testosterone increases aggression. People think aggression means, like I'm gonna go beat someone up or push someone down or get in their face. That's not aggression, that's being an asshole.

Aggression is like, I'm aggressive to hit my goals. I'm motivated to work harder. I'm motivated to be a better father. That's aggression. Now of course you could be in a violent type individual, but that's not the aggression they're talking about. So I hate that they continue to perpetuate this bullshit narrative, like the toxic masculinity thing.

You know what's funny about that? Men who display what they would consider, I'm gonna do in quotations, because I don't, I hate that they named it this, but men who display the quote unquote toxic masculinity, the vast majority of them lacked masculinity in their lives. They didn't have a good role model that was a man that taught them how to be a good man.

Overcompensating. Not only overcompensate, they become the masculine that they see in media. And what do you see in media with masculinity? Violence, you know, you know, bang your chicks and hos and this and that and that's toxic. So if you wanna talk about contributing toxic masculinity, it's popular media, it's not men.

So men need men in their lives so that they don't become what the media says that men are supposed to be through again, through popular media. So crazy. The day we have to mention Viori. And I, so the last time that we got, like they send us stuff every month, right?

So the guys and I all get like a fit that they'll send us that's normally what's like newer, whatever. And they sent me these corduroy pants that I actually sat in my closet for probably. Those ones? No, not these. These are actually padagones. That's what made me think of that right now.

I'm wearing the Patagonia corduroy right now and I actually don't like them nearly as much as I like the violaries. My point I was making was that I had them for like three months and I didn't wear them because I didn't think I was gonna like them. I'm not like a huge corduroy guy, but I do like these and I'm like, I don't know if I'm gonna like those. I put them on unbelievably comfortable.

They're soft, they have an elastic band, so they stretch on the waist, so they're way more comfortable. They're tapered more than these patigones, which I like better too. And now I like, I fell in love with them. And it's my first pair that I've had. They're called the Optimist. And I went on the other day to buy,

and the color I wanted, I wanted this color in them, and they're completely sold out in that color right now. And so obviously they're... Well, I'm wearing their slacks right now, and I could literally, I could work out in these slacks. That's how comfortable and stretchy, but they look like professional slacks. It was pretty funny at the live event,

because there was, you know, they only have like three different colors of flannels. And I made friends with, you know, other people that were wearing their flannels and like, it's like, oh man, we all have the same idea that day is like, oh, white. I'm so glad I did wear a mug. Yeah, you would have the same one that I ran out and bought it. The after I saw you wear that day, I really, I like grays, grays and whites are like, I wear a lot of grays and whites and I didn't know

they had that. And when I saw you wear it, I'm like, oh, let's talk about this lab event that we did. This was my favorite. It was my favorite. It was my favorite. I felt like we were, or most comfortable, the people that showed up were, I mean, they're always awesome. We were always me.

We were also, you know, we were at home, right? So I wonder if that played in a role at all, do you think that bass? You know what I think it was? When was the last one that we did? Almost three years, Ohio. So there's a lot of, because okay, so here's the thing, we're not media people.

When we started the podcast, we were trainers and we get better at presenting ourselves just through practice, right? Just through doing the podcast, getting on the show, it's like it's reps, right? It's like an exercise. You just get better and better and better. I think it was three years of practice,

and then we went and we got to talk to an audience and we just felt. So you think it's that? I think so. I think so. I think so. I think so. I think so.

I've watched our podcast three years ago versus now, and you see a big difference. Two things I felt were really impactful. Our staff, man, is our team now, this is the best I've ever felt. The best organized for sure. Yeah, but I mean, we're starting to build a pretty large team and everybody's been in their position.

For the most part, everyone's been in their position for quite some time now. And for some people, this was their first live event to experience. And I felt like the way they expedited everything was incredible. A lot of times I feel like, you know, and I know Doug can probably attest to this too, like, stressing out during those things, like something not working or the flow, I mean, it felt so smooth for me that that's all I had to think about was enjoying our people and speaking, right?

It didn't, I didn't have to think about the logistics because so much of that was taking care for us. That played a big role for me of actually being able to feel comfortable and just talked to our people. And then I actually think your idea, the trivia was so fun. I thought that was a really fun question. It was a really clever idea because what it it did was not only did it give away a bunch of cool products to people,

so everybody loved that, but it organically made us go down memory lane and tell some old stories of everybody at the time. You know the person who answered the question about who's been to jail was not a listener? She, someone brought her. She came to me afterwards and she goes, I don't know you guys, I came with someone so, by the way, I loved the event. I think you guys are awesome start listening

She goes I just guessed I just looked up there I was talking about that oh Man, I guess you got a face for that. Well, there was somebody who guessed completely wrong on that one that I thought was like one of the most obvious ones. I thought that was maybe the person who did it. No, that was. Remember that one? It was, what was the question?

And she was way out. Everybody, I felt like the whole audience knew about her who it was. And she was like, um, um, and I think she gets. You guys like I slipped in at one question like, who is always right? Yeah. And I'm asking you. I'm the one giving away the prices too. Better answer this correctly. You guys like I slipped in at one question like who is always right? And I'm asking I'm the one giving away the prices to better answer this correctly Because what did you think dog of the event? I loved it. I mean it was easy for me as well

All I had to do is worry about the audio and that that was it and I never saw you stressed No, no, I didn't need to be stressed right we had a massive crew of people handling all the details So this was great. This was on point. So yeah, you're good. I like my, so my favorite part about it. I think we didn't lose any money too, so I thought I liked that part. Yeah, oh, they're not making some money.

They're people, we don't do this to make money. The reason why we do selfishly. People would think because you sell them. No, we have to pay the staff, we got to pay, you know, we had a, we rented out a bar or lounge for a holiday party. Then we invited about, I don't know, was it 10 of the people that came, they did the VIP experience or whatever?

We do sick gift bags too, that we don't tell people about. Yeah, so it doesn't make its money, but we do this selfishly because we've talked about this so many times. There's something that we lost when we started doing this and we stopped training people in person. And the thing that we started to lose was just being grounded.

Because it's one thing to hear, like I read comments on YouTube or we get DMs, it's not the same as when you meet someone and you see the impact and you know what you're doing is right or wrong or maybe I should communicate that different. When you're a trainer, you get that. You get to see the person, you get to guide them along the process. We don't get that. You get to see the person, you get to guide them along the process. We don't get that when we do this. And so we start to become less grounded and becomes more and more of this show.

And when we do these live events, it brings me back and I feel like a damn trainer again. I love it and makes me feel better. It makes me feel more driven. Yeah, it was good, dude. It gives you feedback of like, what you're presenting and like what people who are picking up on that you didn't realize, like it brought them value or didn't bring them value or whatever. And so that's why I want to bring up some

conspiracy theory right now, just because I had a lot of people like, I appreciate when you bring in some, some of these like unknown type of conspiracies that turn out to be true. Oh, weird, right? You said, I might not know this one. You might not know this one. This is one I just, somebody sent me, and I thought it was pretty cool and something that makes sense.

So apparently there was this video game that was an arcade game that had made its way to an arcade. I don't know where exactly it was. It weren't real specific in in this video, but Polly Bias is was the name of the title of the game. And the game was like ahead of its time like graphics. Everything was like super like futuristic for the time period. I think it was like in the 70s. And I guess it was like always a crazy line for it. And there's actual fist fights around being able to play this game. Unfortunately, there was like side effects to this game. So they go home and they had like migraines, they

had like all of these like like somebody had had a seizure finally where they ended up having to bring it off the market. That's it right there. Yeah. And so it's the most dangerous arcade game. So this is like speck of this isn't like totally fact checked though. So it's like it's been circulating and I didn't know this was a thing like even the Simpsons had like a little reference to it. Of course they did. Yeah, because they're on top of everything.

Yeah, dude like if you go through all their stuff, but I didn't know about this and I thought it was interesting. So they think that black suits came in and they would kind of like take data from it and so that it was like a grand kind of like human psychology experiment. Like try and gather data on this whole that played it. Like let's see if we can alter behaviors. If they can alter behaviors, if they can manipulate their mind somehow through this game that they're playing.

So that I was like tripping out. I'm like, wow, they had this all the way back then. Imagine where we are now. So I mean, I, I, I, it seems like a, it seems plausible. Yeah, it's plausible. Here's why I think it's plausible. Maybe not with polybias, maybe so. But here's why I think it's plausible. Let's with Polybias, maybe so. But here's why I think it's plausible.

Let's say you wanted to do an experiment on a grand scale. One of the best ways to do it would be to create a product or an app or a social media app or something like that that people will adopt on their own. For example, somebody told me this one. Take talk. Yeah. The one where you age.

Remember how the data they got from us? That's Russia, right? Yes. So somebody actually said this to me once and they said, Sal, they said, how could agencies collect personal data on you for free? Were you voluntarily tell them what you like, what you're reading, post pictures of your family and yourself? You create a killer product.

Right. You just have to provide that. Yeah. Like things that you don't, that you like, dislike things that you don't like. Like, could you imagine if you're reading post pictures of your family and yourself you create a killer Right thing you just have to provide that like things that you don't that you like dislike things that you don't like like could you imagine if you came up with Facebook Yeah, I'm like oh shit the ultimate hack for Intelligence it is so either they could be a part of creating it or they could you know They got their back doors or whatever set up who was it we were talking to someone I can't I'm not gonna say too much because I don't want to give this person Who was it? We were talking to someone, oh yeah, I can't say too much because I don't wanna give this person out. But this person we were talking to worked at high levels of intelligence. And him and I got in this conversation,

I don't know who you're talking about. You and I were talking. Yeah, we were talking to them. I'll tell you all fair, because you were there too. Everything's deliberate. You were there too. You just weren't,

you were talking to the other guy. He was like high level military, so. Oh, okay. He used to be high level military. Okay, tell me. And he said 100% they have, they 100% have back doors. They go in there, they control algorithms that they want. They do what the fuck they want.

Yeah. And either the company doesn't know, because they do it so well, or they do, and they can't do anything about it. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. I also like, I want to kind of bring up a bit of a commercial too that for butcher box, it was interesting

because Courtney decided to do kind of a little social experiment of her own and she makes killer spaghetti. And it's the best. It's really meaty. There's meatballs, there's sausage. Did you finally try the meatballs? So she snuck in butcher box meatballs and also her own meatballs

and then just kind of blended them together and like, that's a dangerous experiment. That could go bad for her. It could go bad. It could go bad or it could, you know. But your box has meatballs or the meat, you had to have meatballs. Yeah, they got meatballs and they're already amazing.

Ready to go. I was so blown away by them how good they were. Yeah, so they were good and and Courtney's are really good too. So it was like, yeah, I had no idea. It actually was pretty similar. Like I couldn't really distinguish the two, and I tried to kind of lean and tell her that hers were honest. I was gonna say that you're trapped.

I was gonna say that's why it's gonna be a dangerous experiment, bro. I think you get set up a little bit like trap, you know? Well, these butcher box ones, they're all right. Yeah, she's sitting there like, she's the commercial next week. is experiment bro I think you get set up a little bit like trap you know well these butcher box ones they're all right yeah She want to like feed back for the kids. He's sitting there like you're the commercial next week those butcher box meatballs were amazing Yeah, so so we were saying Justin is there almost as good as Almost almost as good as pretty damn good I got your back I haven't you guys got to get him I we've now or I think this is the third go around that we've got him

I haven't seen him because what is it the add-ons must be all right. This is the Oh That's true put the Italian test yeah, it's a meat the ball. You know, can I tell you something now? Italians don't eat meatballs in the pasta just they just we just don't not no that's an American thing Is it yes? We mean me followed by themselves. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, that's You know me you know me dishes Americans Americans did right though. They create invented and say it's you know They do this with all kinds like like Mexican food like you know what else like a chalupi. I'm sure people are totally different Yeah, you know what else is interesting about Americans. I find it really interesting that there was like record sales in black Friday this year.

Well, we are in this crazy time. I feel like I called that inflation layoffs and we saw record sales in. There's some economic data. What? There's some economic data that's coming out that's still showing that nobody worried anymore. Well, no, what's happening is that it's starting to heat up Meaning the Fed has to raise rates more aggressively probably Because it's not working like they thought

That's are we gonna see like crazy stuff like it was it was it the 80s dug when the like early 80s when the 13 13 14 15 percent interest rates on Home and stuff were yeah, I mean I think it was late 70s or 80s, you know, during the Carter administration and it rolled over. Yeah, Rogan came in and I think I just said not Rogan, excuse me, Reagan and it was vulcler, right? Vulcler? Paul Vulcler. Yeah, he had to raise interest rates to crash. So here's a funny story.

I don't remember how old I was, but I had like $10,000, I'd saved up. And I got a CD at 18%. Holy crap. 18%. So this is one of the positive things about this. You could put it in like a guaranteed CD and make it fat percentage. Well, those are already starting to come back up, by the way, too.

So that's the positive side of all that happening is to encourage people to put money back in the bank and save, we should see a rise in interest rates on bank accounts and CDs and stuff like that. So there is a silver lining in some of the stuff that's positive. Yeah, that's wild. But I just think it's wild that what we've gone through

in the last year or two and of course with all the news and inflation and I just thought for, and layoffs, I thought for sure this was gonna be kind of a murky, you know, a black Friday, but I heard so many companies broke records. Now here's the other side of it is that maybe because people are starting to tighten up and maybe because,

cause here's what happens and this is how inflation can become runaway. When people start to think, I need to buy this now because it's gonna runaway. When people start to think, I need to buy this now because it's going to be way too expensive a year from now, then you get runaway inflation. I think that's been happening already. My theory, you don't think on Black Friday, everyone's like take advantage and buy all the shit you can.

So my theory is that there is a big percentage of people that took advantage of these low interest rates in houses and bought in the last three years or before. So three years and beyond. And actually, if you bought two years and beyond, and you are almost anywhere in the country, you're sitting on anywhere between 50 on the low end, probably, to as high as half a million dollars in equity.

And I think, and I remember being a 23 year old kid and sitting on a quarter million dollars in equity in my first house and thinking I was rich. It was, and thinking in my head. So they don't feel the pressure. Yeah, like it's like, you know, even with all the bad stuff going on and, and, and by the way, I remember at that time, okay, I remember when there was a comp plan change and my income got reduced. And I didn't slow down spending because in my head, I, I justified my credit card spending because I had a quarter million dollars in my bank account in cents, right?

If I really needed to, I could pull a home equity line and I would be totally fine, I could live off of that. Yeah, because home prices have dropped a little bit, but not a ton. No, and not if you had your house beyond three years. I mean, if you bought last year, come, you know, now, then like yeah, you're probably flat or hurting a little bit,

but not a big deal. If you bought four, five, yeah, you're probably flat or hurting a little bit, but not a big deal. If you bought four, five, 10, I mean, you're sitting on so much equity right now that I bet a lot of people feel. So the real pain isn't gonna happen until house prices really start to do. That's what I think. That's because so many people have their wealth

tied up in that. Right. I mean, that's very true. I think that's very true. Hey, so I want to share with you guys a study that Arthur Brooks shared with me. Arthur Brooks, one of my favorite people in the world, by the way, such a great guy.

If you don't know who he is, you've got to look him up. Just a super intelligent man. He's a Harvard professor. I tell everybody to watch a documentary that precedes. Oh, it's okay, he's an economist, but he's also a behavioral scientist and his expertise is unhappy. Anyway, and just a great human.

He shared this fascinating study on brain changes and men after becoming fathers. Oh. And it was actually a well done study. So it was like they did controls and all that stuff. So this is like real brain changes do to men becoming fathers. You ready for this? So I read the whole study, it's really deep.

And I didn't spend a lot of time on it. And so I just texted him. And because he sent it to me and I texted him, I said, what is this, like, do you have a few seconds to kind of tell me what's going on here with the study? This is what he sent me. He says, you have more, this is after you become a dad.

You have more synapses dedicated to your pair band and to defending and caring for your kids. He says it's like you're mentally ready to fight a hyena and more in love with your wife. And he goes, it makes you manlier in the good ways. How awesome is that? I definitely feel the, so I mean, Katrina felt that. She'd tell you that the love she received from me after our son

was so different than the pre-previous. It's true. It's true. Oh, yeah. It's true. Yeah, no, there's a The two parts were really wild. It's that that you that you're more you want to bond with your partner more But also the synapses that make you defend and care for your young. Yeah, also I honor them and then yeah, you also want to be the provider, the protector, like it's just this crazy overwhelming feeling. Like this, literally your brain is wiring itself. Okay, I know you didn't go deep into it,

but I mean, how do you know how they were measuring this? Like how was it? Yeah, they were before and after MRI imaging. So this is a, this was a longitudinal longitudinal gray matter Cortical volume reductions and and there's evidence from two international samples and they use brain imaging So it's like they had good controls they had they tested them afterwards and they tested them later So it's a really well done so yeah, because in contrast to that wasn't there like a study saying like there's a natural decline in test Osterone because of like like a sleep and all that

Well, that that was different and that's short term and that I think might be more related to the fact that there's lack of sleep Yeah, more stress and that kind of stuff It's come right because they tried to speculate was oh lower testosterone, but no again It's not nicer. That's actually not true. It's not true at all again If you if you study men who have low testosterone and raise their testosterone, they become less irritable, less depressed, less anxious. Basically, we have two James Cameron. James Cameron. You can read a little bit.

Sneak him a little shot. I mean, you probably haven't watched any TV whatsoever. I finally got these guys to watch bullet train. What did you guys think of it? You guys like it? Sick. Great move. I enjoyed it.

I thought it was fun. I mean, maybe I didn't like it as much as you did. I loved it. What's it about? You normally are right on page with Justin Loved it though. It was awesome. Yeah. It was about action pack and witty dialogue. Like very kind of quittin' Tarantino meets,

what's the other direction? Guy Richie. Yeah, Guy Richie asked. Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt. There's all kinds of cameos too. Oh, I saw. Much of like British actors.

I saw the trailer for it. It trailer looks like shitty. I didn't watch it for like two months when it was out because I didn't think the trailer looked interesting. Watched it one night with your name. Now, granted. It's a fun movie. I was telling Doug this. I was like, granted, I went into it thinking,

oh, this won't be very good. So it exceeded. So it exceeded my expectations. I hyped it up like crazy to Doug. And so he was like ready for the movie. And we got to watch it in our new theater. Yeah How cool how cool actually no, I did watch something I did watch something Wednesday the series

Really I like it. Did you watch it? Yeah, really good really really good writing. Yeah, it's very good writing It's obviously like a mystery and she's trying to find a murderer. Really clever writing. Really well done. I didn't think I would like it. My daughter kept talking about it. I love it. I love it. I love it. And so, you know, Jessica and I watched some of it. It's really good. We really missed you though going out to Utah. That was a really cool experience to see that finally all. It's been such a long project. Yeah. Yeah. It's stressful and it's cool to see. And I tell you what, I really, Doug will test this too.

Like we were really nervous about your choice of color in the kitchen because originally, when it first got finished and it wasn't the furniture had just started to come in. It didn't look good. And now? And now looks great. Yeah, it really.

Good job, Tom. Yeah, there you go. Are you sure you're not trying to make me feel better? Yeah, I'm just trying to make my interior designer. I dug and I went there, good job. Sounds good. Yeah, there you go. You're sure you're not just trying to make me feel better now? No, no, I'm a tier designer. Doug and I went there, you know. It's only, it's, that's what, I'm not a big, like I don't have a lot of opinion on the way things look, except for stonework, and that's just like rope around it.

So that's it. Yeah, it looked, came out real nice. It did. It came out really, really good. Shout out to Brooke, who was incredible. I mean, she's, she's a great job with the furniture. Yeah, she, we really leaned on heavily on her to go and pick out a lot of stuff for us. And there was things that we originally wanted. Then we couldn't get because it was going to

push it back months. And so she really had to piece a lot of things together. I do want to say something on the podcast that I wasn't intending to this until right now. I just thought of this. I want to I want to reach I I want anyone who is a landscape photographer to reach out to me via email at adam at mineputmedia.com. If you would be interested in consigning professional photos in the house. So originally we were gonna go buy a bunch of art, we bought some pieces and I thought,

you know what would be even cooler is to find an artist who photographs, you know, lands highlighted in the house. Yeah, and we'll highlight in the house. And when I put your competing pictures up in there, make it look dope. No, no. The one you were in the bear rug.

It's very, it's very, there's very little mind pump, anything in there right now. Other than like our work. So for people who don't know, the idea is that this is a rental that is all optimized. So red light therapy, cold dip, sauna, PRX gym,

Ler, like in the bed, steam, steam, smoothie theater. So you go in there and then we'll also have, some of our partners will provide supplements and products. So you'll go in there and you're in this amazing place in your park city, so it's all the stuff to do, but also in the house itself. Yeah. It's like all the stuff that we talk about and you could optimize a shit at your day. We had another kind of funny moment where Doug was sort of editing and whatnot and decided to kind of throw up the

podcast on the theater screen. And then there's Sal. Like huge. I was't in there, you guys were almost sitting in the fear watching your mug. We were gonna attend a video. Yeah, we're like, oh Sal would love this right now. Yeah, I'm just gonna love this. We're just just drinking it in. You guys get caught up in one of my stories. Yeah, we went on a crazy journey. I just got some amazing,

and I'm so amazing. Oh, it's so good. You're so dumb. Hey, did you guys see? So, can I tell you guys right now? You wanna talk about Sarah and Dipadis? I got kicked off Twitter, sorry, Instagram, that everybody freaked out for a second. I got kicked off Instagram, went to Twitter

and then Elon bought Twitter. And now Twitter is amazing. Twitter is becoming amazing. And I feel like it was perfect timing because I got myself a little bit of a follower. I don't have a huge follower base. I just got on there and I thought long ago. But it is amazing place right now.

And I don't know if you guys saw this. Did you see, did you see, go ahead, sorry. Well, no, I gotta tell you that. I don't, maybe this is what you're gonna say. So the White House or Biden, Biden's tweet or whatever, got fact checked. Remember the fact checking on social media? And it was obviously, half the time

the fact checking was bullshit It's still kind of a rampant. Well on Twitter. It's pretty balanced and takes out this is amazing So Biden puts out a tweet and it says We're building an economy from the bottom up and the middle out by creating more jobs in any administration and history At this point in a presidency and then here's the fact check at this point in a presidency. And then here's the fact check. Hmm. That's so great.

This graph is leadingly credit spied in for the creation of new jobs. The spike in jobs is more accurately attributed to the lifting of COVID-19 restrictions at the state and local level. These are not new jobs, but instead jobs that are returning to the economy. Which is true.

People are going back to work. Which is true. That's 100% true. But how wonderful is that? You're taking credit for it. What I thought was really cool. Like are going back to work. Which is true. That's 100% true. Yeah. But how wonderful is that? You're trying to take credit for it. What I thought was really cool. Like, propaganda's not going to work.

You know what? I thought was really cool was Tim Cook taking him to lunch real quick. Did you see that? Yeah, because he said, can didn't he say that Apple was doing okay? So there was rumors that were going around that Apple was going to remove Twitter from their app store. And so he basically put a tweet out saying like, that would be really unfortunate.

I would hate to go have to make a competitive product to iPhone. Fucking three days later, Kim Cook is having lunch with us. No way. Yes, dude. Yes, dude. Just letting them know we have no one takes that gangster. We have no intention of doing that whatsoever. You believe it.

Oh, bro, even even. Okay, he's a wizard. Yes, even if he's not going to go take it down, I don't think Tim cooking it, but oh, he will definitely take a bite out of your pie for sure. Well, have you seen that's a golden goose? Have you seen the Twitter data? They're users have gone up significantly. Oh, is that true?

I thought it was the other way. No, so they've lost some advertising revenue, which is true. But if you go to Elon's page, he list, he lists the graphs. He's very, like, here's the numbers, here's what's going on. I'd have to scroll down to look at it, but he posted a bunch of like their data and they're actually crushing right now. What do you think about him taking Kanye down? I think that was interesting. Oh, well, bro, Kanye really has a lot of minds. Well, yeah, bro, he's really got great. He was, you know, why he got, he got removed from Twitter, right?

Oh, yeah, he posted a swastika inside the star of David. Yeah. So that was, that was the tweet that got out of his mind. Yeah. Yeah., here we go. Look at this new user signups are an all-time high User active minutes at an all-time high Hate speech impressions are lower and reported impersonations are down All since he took over that's damn good. Can you imagine he turns us into one of the top social media companies after going,

where they were like one of the worst now. I mean, yeah. My favorite meme was the one that the guy wrote that Elon, breaking news, Elon comes out, will be charging people with pronouns, they, them in their bio, will now get charged $16. A more than double the eight. Is there more than one person?

I fell out of my chair. That was so good. That's not true, but it's a funny view. It's just a joke. All right, so here at the end, what we've been doing now is shouting out people on Instagram or social media that we like. Justin, you said you have something.

Yeah, I did have somebody that like Adam and I kind of referenced him a few times. It always puts out like really incredible athletic type, training exercises and content and all that. It's realgame.ethletics. Oh yeah, that's the thing. I like that guy a lot. Yeah, I wanted to make sure people knew that.

He does like a lot of plyometrics and things that are very sport specific that I think people get a lot of value. Super unique. Give him a follow. Hey, what kind of training do you do? Do you like to do strength training, weightlifting, Olympic lifting, bodybuilding?

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Go check this company out. It's the best home gym equipment you'll find anywhere. PRXPerformance.com forward slash mind pump. And if you go through that link, you'll get a 5% discount. All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from campus, junior zero five. How do you find your ideal weight? I'm not sure where I should be. Okay, so there's a there's a bit of a challenge with say what? Is there such a thing anymore? Yeah, well, I mean, I guess there is, but you have to paint contacts.

Like, what's my ideal way for lifting the most weight in the gym, or what's my ideal way for having the least amount of inflammation, or having the most stamina? I imagine this person is comfortable. I imagine this person is asking for health, right? Just overall. Yeah, I feel like that. I feel like if you were asking to be strong, to be fast, you would add that to that.

If you're like, what's my ideal weight, I feel like that's a question that is for someone who's looking just, I want to be healthy. What should my weight be? Yeah, so if that's the context of it, now I could give general answers. For men, a body fat percentage that probably sits between 10 to 16% is like the range of healthy for women. It's like, you know, 16 to 20, maybe 4%, something like that might be considered healthy. But I really think it's not paying attention to your weight, but rather paying attention

to how you feel. Are your workouts making you feel good? Do you feel mobile? Do you not feel lots of joint pain? Are you sleeping well? Do you eat a diet where you feel healthy? You have good digestion. You're not force feeding yourself.

You're not also super restricting yourself. And then where does that weight put you? Like what's your body weight when you feel like your life is very balanced and you feel very healthy? And then that is probably close to what would be your ideal weight. I wish the medical community put more emphasis on body composition. Because they're still going by overall weight. And I understand when there's morbidly obese people, the big concern is to lower the weight.

So there's not so much stress on vital organs and there's a concern there. But in terms of like overall health, you'll get muscular people that might be a little bit higher on the weight, but they're composition. I mean, they're in thriving health and able bodies. So even body fat percentage is tough because if it's for health, there's so many other things that affect health.

For example, I find this really interesting about my own personal journey. I have been as low as probably 180 pounds, it was highest 240 pounds, and I've been everybody fat percentage from 2% all the way up to 20% at all those, so I've had a huge range. And I'm probably somewhere right now,

I would say probably 14, 15% body fat. So I'm on the higher end of body fat percentage, I would think for what I would consider fit or healthy for myself right now. You think so? You're looking more like 13, 12. Yeah, maybe. I mean, I'd rather estimate on the higher end

and then I come in a little lower, but let's say 13 to 15%. Okay, so I'm 13, which is on the higher end and then I come in a little lower, but let's say 13 to 15%, okay? So which is on the higher end for me, for most of my training career, I hovered around 10, 11. So it sounds 13, 15% right now body fat give or take. I definitely don't look as good as I do when I'm much leaner. I feel some of the healthiest I've ever felt in my life.

And just a lot of that is the other things that are balanced out, right? I feel like I'm eating consistently better choice of food. Doesn't mean that I don't indulge every once in a while. I do, but then I'm right back on track. I'm not like going off the rails for long periods of time. I'm getting relatively good sleep in comparison to what I have in the past.

My libido is really high, so my hormones are all balanced out. So, here I am at a higher end of body fat percentage for me, and I feel the healthiest I've ever felt. Which your body weight? 220, about 225, I'd say. Would you say that this is right around then, kind of idealized for you, because you feel so healthy?

I think I would be even better around 215. Okay. I think I would feel even better, so I don't think I'm the healthiest I could be. I think I could be a better. Well, this brings up a good point though, because my point is how nuanced it can be though. Yeah, and also the balance aspect of it,

because you could try to drop, let's say, 3% body fat, but that might require you take away from something in your life right now that you're finding more value from. That's why this is like a tough one. It's tough, it's so individualized, man. Because I mean, I had to go kind of to the extremes

to find where that range is, for me personally, even having to gain a ton of weight for football, I was like, I am not comfortable with this. Even though it was a lot of muscle, there's a lot of fat on top of the muscle, but it was just like carrying a substantial amount more weight. I just didn't move well, I didn't sleep well,

like there's factors, I guess that's kind of the assessment there is to kind of checkpoint all those things. Like what kind of quality sleep am I getting? You know, how much energy do I have? Like, how strong do I feel? And just kind of go through all those things and feel where that weight kind of resides and then also where your bifurc. Yeah, I think the longer you do this, if your pursuit is honest and you're really trying

to create balance and longevity and do this for a long time and not be super extreme or maybe you would do experiment with the extremes which I think does give you some insight. Then you tend to find out what that number is for you. I've been as low as when I competed in Jujitsu, I was like 190, 185 to 190. I've gotten my body weight as high as to almost 240, which for me is really, really heavy. I feel best between 205 to 210 to 215. Maybe 210, I'd say 210 is probably where I feel best, just overall balanced and healthy. But there is a bit of a range there.

There's a range and there's also in relation to, right? Because you could technically get down to that 210, but then your sleep could be way off, you could be fighting with your wife, you could not be so fan. Maybe I'm not enjoying meals as much as my family. Right, right. And so it's, and I know this is not the answer this person.

I can tell you what a non-ideal body weight is for someone, right? I could do that. Right, right. And I think that's why I gave a range of body fat percentage and things to look for. I think an ideal body weight, here's the other myth is that there's a weight, there's a specific number, like 207.5.

You're just not gonna get that. No, it's probably a range. You're probably gonna have a range of body weight that's within 10 to 15 pounds, if I'm not short, you are or whatever, 10 to 15 pounds. And what determines if you're on the lower end or the higher end is your life. Like I just had a baby.

I'm probably not gonna work out as much or as intensely as I did before I had a newborn because my sleep isn't gonna be as good. There's more responsibilities now, especially in the first six months to a year. So my body fat percentage is probably not gonna be, it's gonna fluctuate a little bit. And this happens for everybody.

You may have an illness, you may feel more motivated at sometimes less motivated, maybe you're more into doing things or other parts of your life that maybe make you add a little bit of body fat. But there is a range, and I think the best way to ask this is what's your ideal range of body weight? And that's something you kind of find through experimenting with balance, with your workouts and diet and sleep in lifestyle.

Next question is from Hubey Swole. I normally train with high intensity, but leave a rep or two in the tank. Is going to failure every set better for hypertrophy though? No, it's a different question. No, it's not. Yeah. Okay, so think of going to fail. First off, intensity is important.

So you definitely want to work with a certain level, work out with a certain level of intensity. Failure is when you lift the weight until you can't lift it anymore, okay? But you could still get close to that where you stop about two reps before that, and that's still intense training. Think of failure training as a novel stimulus. In other words, it's a way to switch things up, change things up every once in a while to get your body to respond again or to change up your programming. Don't use failure as if this is what I do every single set.

That is a very fast way to get your body stop progressing I mean I look at it more like it's It's me testing my body because I've been putting all the good work in of Training consistently and dieting consistently for a while and now I just want to see like oh what happens when I push to failure Like it is the line. Yeah, where's the line? Is it a new line? Have I have I increased my strength in this category and I only need to do that one time and then I'm out of there Mm-hmm If I increased my strength in this category, and I only need to do that one time, and then I'm out of there. That's it. I don't need to be doing it every workout

or multiple exercises in a workout. And I mean, this is one of the things that I see TikTok and clips of ours, where some dumb kid will try to get on there and argue and debate this conversation around hypertrophy and failure training and the studies that are out there to support the benefits of that.

And it's just, you cannot take one study and how it supports the benefits because there is benefits to going failure. We're not saying that there is not, but... You have to use it right. You've got to draw it out too and see how long that's gonna benefit you. Right.

It's not like it may be a brief window of opportunity there, but yeah, I think this is just one of those. We always see is overused. And I think that's kind of our concern is that you're more likely to over train and then like keep over training, which then doesn't provide that adaptation

that you're actually seeking. So are you really doing what's best, you know, with your training method? Yeah, such a good point is when people talk about the risk reward, you know, factor with something like this, they think risk and they think like injury. And so somebody who's like, oh, I'm a safe lifter. And so I'm not worried about getting hurt.

And so there's not much risk for me. So I'm gonna train to failure all the time to get the max benefits. But that's not the risk. I think the risk is, you know, overtaxing overreaching. Totally. The risk is it's less about. And yes, of course, it's increased risk for injury too, but it's normally a hardcore fitness person that's attracted to the over training who's not that high of risk and injuring themselves per se, but more so of consistently overreaching and not allowing the body to properly recover.

The problem is, is I have yet to see, and there's some well programmed workouts out there, and they typically reside in the, in the strength sports, where it's like powerlifting, Olympic lifting, just because they're, there's such objective sports that workout programming has gone further there. Mathematical. Yeah, but I have yet to see really good workout programming that programs failure properly. It's either you always go to failure or you don't go to failure. You can program it properly, but it's got to be used as a novel stimulus. You know, stay tuned because we may find a way to program this into programs for those of you that enjoy training with that intensity. But I will say this with when you look at the data on training to failure, it's not necessary.

Not only is it not necessary, if it doesn't seem to yield any better results. So my argument is, okay, so you're gonna work out harder for the same results. I mean, I guess if you're just like working out harder, that's fine, but my argument is most people over do it. So unless you really know how to program and really know how to program in novel stimulus

like failure, then you're better off probably keeping one or two reps in the tank most of time. Next question is from Anisea, Steph, are supersets necessary if time is not an issue? No. No, but supersets are great if time is an issue. But what if it's not an issue? Why else would you use supersets? Still novel. Yeah, it is. It's a very novel stimulus. It's a great way to work on strength endurance.

So, I could do a bench press for 25 reps. So I'm going to work strength endurance there. But here's the difference between doing 25 reps on a bench press or doing 10 reps on a bench press and then 10 reps of another chest exercise like a fly. Because I changed the movement pattern, I hit the muscles slightly differently and it's a novel stimulus.

And bodybuilders love supersets for the its ability to produce a crazy pump in the muscle. And there's so many different ways to use supersets. So I use supersets when time isn't an issue still for those reasons right there. I like the pulse. Yeah, I feel like this person's saying that because they've heard me say that on the show.

That's your favorite way. Yeah, that's my favorite way to do it. And there's enough times when I wanna cut my workout short or I have to cut my workout short that it just intermittently ends up in my training. So I tend to save it for that. It's not that I don't think that there's value in it when I'm not in a rush. I mean, if you're somebody who always gets your hour

to train your three to four days a week and you never miss that hour, and then you're like, well, I'm never in a hurry. So I'm not going to use the supersets because Adam only uses it for when he's in and it's like, no, don't do that. I mean, that's not my point. My point is that that tends to happen to most people enough times in the year of training that they have to cut a workout short or they have a smaller window than they anticipated. And so, or maybe they just don't feel like working out for an entire hour.

To me, those times present themselves of enough times in a- It's naturally programmed. Yeah, it's naturally programmed in there. I save it for those moments. It's like, oh, this is perfect. I'm still going to get a great workout. I haven't done super sets in a while. And I got to get out of here.

So that's how I use it. Of all the strength athletes that, you know, or the athletes that use strength training as a primary form of training, it's bodybuilders that most use super sets. So that kind of gives you a clue in terms of what its value is. And the value is the pump, maybe sarcoplasmic hypertrophy,

which is increasing the capacity of the muscle to store fluid capillaries, giving that kind of round full look. And it's probably contributes to hypertrophy in maybe a novel way, especially if you never do them. So super sets definitely have value when used properly. Meaning you don't do them all the time, you do them. So, uh, super sets definitely have value when used properly, meaning you don't do them all the time, you do them sometimes. And when you do them sometimes, especially if it's something you haven't done in a little while, I, you'll see some benefits. You'll see and feel some benefits from doing so. Next question is from CMOS 23. If all affiliates

are vetted for our interest, why do some get dropped? Did their product change? Oh, who picked this? I did. I'm glad you picked this. I'm glad you picked this for you Adam. Yeah, I know. I we get a lot of questions around this. I don't think we've ever like addressed it. Sometimes the businesses just don't continue to align and it has nothing to do with the product or the people. We could still love them. Matter matter if there's several brands that we've worked with, I'll name a few, Dr. Squash, Thrive Markets, Ease, four-sigmatic, these are all brands that I still, someone asked me, I would say, are incredible,

great brands that we like. But unfortunately, that's not the only thing that keeps us in partnership. We have contracts that we sign. But unfortunately, that's not the only thing that keeps us in partnership. We have contracts that we sign with people. And after a contract is over, we evaluate how it went for them and how it went for us. And another thing that happens sometimes, my pump is now got to the place where we have a lot of volume, a lot of people, a lot of companies that we partner with are either startups or smaller businesses that are still growing, and not all of them have the resources and tools to retain as many

members or leads as they need to justify the spend on the podcast. So just because we, you know, quote-unquote, break up with a partner, it doesn't necessarily mean there's bad. In fact, it's rare mean there's, there's bad. In fact, it's rare that there's actually bad. I don't think there's any that we have that we, we stopped working with that. It was bad. There's never, I don't know if there's any been bad, but there's sometimes more,

we're like, eh, we don't want to do it. We don't want to work with anymore. It's not a product that we, we care enough out. Or there's a better, right? Sometimes, um, sometimes we, we love a product. We find something we're working with them for a while, and an even better brand comes along. It doesn't mean that we don't still think

that first brand was not great and awesome still, but if we find a brand and I'll use this example, something we're going through right now without saying names, is we find a brand that is cheaper for our customer, more professional, faster, can handle more volume, can have more resources. We may have opportunity for an equity play with it and it covers all the things that are matter to us

as far as aligning with our brand. Yeah, then just how it's just business. It's not always, I mean, I think people on our forum and stuff, they see as a lot of... Just-marriage, they feel a lot of things. Yeah, it's not like someone cheated. Yeah, you know. I get that. I mean, people do really honestly respect, kind of like our opinion on a lot of products

and things out there. And we present it that way. And that's, you know, all part of the process, but also two were business owners. And, you know, and their business owners. And so maybe their ideas like of expansion or elsewhere and you know, that's happened before. And you know, we have ideas too that we could help kind of like promote things better.

And so it's just a matter of like how it all like blends and works in the timing of it all. Yeah, our commitment is not to our partners that we do sponsorships with. Our commitment is not to our partners that we do sponsorships with. Our commitment is to our fans, our listeners, the people who buy our products or listen to our advice. That's number one. So we can love a company.

And first off, there's a vetting process when we first work with the company. And that is, is it a product that we use and that we like and that we trust? Is there third party testing? Are they do they have integrity? Then we meet the owners, do we like them? Cause they could have a great product, but if they don't like the owners,

we're not gonna work with them. Do we like the owners? Do we like their integrity? Do we like all that stuff? And then we end up working with them. So that means we like, we like them. But if it doesn't work great for our fans and listeners, or if it just doesn't align super for our fans and listeners,

or if it just doesn't align super well, then we may not work with them. And then sometimes it just doesn't work for the partner either. Like sometimes like Adam said, sometimes they don't necessarily, they may count their returns in ways where maybe we don't deliver necessarily because they don't necessarily see the, what we bring to the table,

they may look at just numbers and say, well, we do better if we just advertise on Facebook or whatever, and we think that's a mistake, but that's totally their prerogative. But that's pretty much it. Yeah, no, we just gave an example of the breakup with Dr. Squatch. I mean, we were all really excited about that brand.

They are in superhyper growth mode and spending tons of money on advertising and they purely look at just the dollar ROI. So they spend X amount of dollars with MindPump, it should produce X amount of dollars to them. And they're comparing that against things like Facebook ads. And when you partner with a podcast brand, it's a slower, longer play. You're building a relationship with an audience. You believe in that that podcast and it's growing and so together You're gonna grow and you're gonna cross pollinate and you're gonna do launches and things together and some brands really like that and appreciate that and they and they don't they're not so worried that oh

We spent this much on ads and we only got this much return and we could technically go to these other other mediums and make more money. Some of them see the value of like for example like brands that really love us and they don't make a lot of money off us. Seeds an example of that. Seeds a probiotic that is a real is in sales words. The best probiotic on the market. They don't make a ton of money off of us. They could make it more of the ads, but they really need somebody to communicate that message and be able to explain the science as well as Sal does on the show.

We have a few partners that they value our ability to communicate the product so well that the dollar does a measurement. Then we have other brands that the dollar is all that matters. And if we can't produce up to the amount that they want for what they're spending, they, and we don't fault them for that either because it's a business, they have to scale,

they have to manage those things. And so many times it's an amicable split, and we part ways, and we still tend to be friends on the outside. I'll say I'll tell you this much right now. This may be to our fault. If it's not amicable and there was some shenanigans going on, you'll know, because we have no problem. We can make or break a company and we have no problem breaking a company if they, if they do the wrong thing.

But we have yet to have that happen. Yeah, nobody, nobody does anything dirty. I know, I know sometimes social media wants there to be more drama. It's put its business. And sometimes we have to cut ties with even people that we like and brands that we really like because the businesses don't align as well as they could and or there's another business out there

that aligns even better than the one that we've found. But I do take a lot of pride in the fact that we don't tend to hop a lot of brands. I mean, I think it's really, I think it's gross when you see fitness influencers hop from supplement protein powder to protein powder to protein powder. Like I've seen some really popular, famous people that have had five, six protein powder brands that they've worked with, that they've dropped another one, another one, and it's like, it's all the same.

Neither one of them are better than the others, just whoever's paying them at that time. Now, we've aligned with brands that we tend to stay with for a really long period of time. Well, that's Kudos to you, Adam, because a lot of people know this, but Adam, he really runs the show on that, and he does a really good job of making sure that it's going to work out for everybody. That's why there's so few companies that we,

you know, we no longer work with it. Usually we do a pretty damn good job. Yeah. And that's on you. So thank you. Good job. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to Mind Pump Free.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help with almost any health or fitness goal You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at mine pump Justin Adam is on Instagram at mine pump Adam and you can find me on Twitter the freest social media site you can find at mine pump Thank you for listening to mine pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and

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