Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1968: How to Train After a Poor Night’s Sleep, Tips for Relieving Tight Muscles, Grass Fed Vs. Grain Fed Dairy & More

Episode Date: December 16, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Lift weights to increase your sex drive. (2:32) The importance of caffeine timing. (10:12) Making the mindset shift with it comes to diet/nutrition. (15:44) Busting the myths surrounding what high protein is. (17:57) The ultimate NCI x Mind Pump Giveaway to Coaching Con 2023! (25:40) The politicization of the Brittany Griner incident. (26:42) You should get paid what you EARN. (31:24) Shout out to The Rabbit Hole. (34:51) Is everything fake? (37:23) Weird News with Sal: De Beers miners and a surgeon who left his mark on his patients. (40:29) Is taking birth control halting your gains? (42:48) Would you like to know if you were prone to genetic predispositions to diseases or cancers? (47:23) How LMNT contributes to greater milk production. (57:02) Combat juggling is a thing! (59:38) #Quah question #1 - How would your training change if you slept like absolute crap the night before? (1:02:05) #Quah question #2 - If a muscle is tight, is it better to continue to train it with weight or focus on mobility exercises? (1:08:44) #Quah question #3 - Does dairy need to be avoided if it isn’t grass-fed? (1:14:02) #Quah question #4 - I really enjoy learning and teaching about health, strength, fitness, and nutrition. I already make good money, though, so how would someone step into that space without going broke while waiting to make enough to support themselves and their family? (1:18:33) Related Links/Products Mentioned NCI x Mind Pump Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners!  December Promotion: At-Home Holiday Bundle (MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Suspension, MAPS PRIME, and The No BS 6-Pack Formula all for the low price of $99.99!) Effect of Exercise on Sex Drive The origin of “randy” @hubermanlab Instagram Post on Caffeine Timing Mind Pump #1757: The Truth About The Anabolic Window & Protein Timing Biden slammed for swapping Russian ‘Merchant of death’ for WNBA’s Griner: ‘Most lopsided trade in history’ United States Women’s National Team earns more money from men’s World Cup than its previous two women’s tournaments Disney Has Always Been Woke - YouTube Workers of the De Beers mines were X-rayed at the end of every shift before leaving the diamond mines in Kimberley, South Africa. Doctor Carved His Initials on His Patients' Livers During Surgery Oral Contraceptive Use Impairs Muscle Gains in Young Women Beyond the Pill: A 30-Day Program to Balance Your Hormones, Reclaim Your Body, and Reverse the Dangerous Side Effects of the Birth Control Pill – Book by Jolene Brighten Chris Hemsworth Changed His Life After an Ominous Health Warning My Medical Choice – Angelina Jolie Combat Juggling - The World Juggling Federation Visit Path Water for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout for the discount** Which is Best – Mobility or Stretching? – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1550: How To Get Rich As A Personal Trainer Mind Pump #1595: Your Ideas Suck… How To Be An Entrepreneur With Netflix Co-Founder Marc Randolph Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (@hubermanlab) Instagram The Rabbit Hole (@watch_therabbithole) Instagram Jolene Brighten (@drjolenebrighten) Instagram Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere) Instagram Dr. Andy Galpin (@drandygalpin) Instagram Marc Randolph (@thatwillneverwork) Instagram

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All right, here comes a show. There's one thing you can do that'll increase your sex drive, improve the quality of your sex and give you better orgasms, it's exercise. And specifically, it's lifting weights. Let me show that lifting weights properly, gives you more sex drive, gives you better sex, and improves the quality of your orgasms. You had it through orgasms in there.

Well, that's what I was so okay with your intro until you went that way. You know what? It's important orgasms, especially for women because the studies show that women experience better and more frequent orgasms because this can be an issue more commonly in women where they maybe have a trouble achieving orgasm. I don't feel like you're qualified to talk about this. Wow. That's true.

You have to have Gannick do it. You have to have given someone an orgasm first before you get to it. Oh, man. Yeah. All right. But tell us, tell us, professor. No, we'll just study this.

The studies are pretty clear. Now what's interesting about this is studies will also show that too much exercise in particular, too much endurance-based exercise, long distance running, cycling, overdone does the opposite. But appropriate exercise improves everything. And then strength training has been shown to do to be the most effective health with all of these things. All kidding aside, you know that I think I've talked to off-air with you guys a little bit about this but when I actually reduced the volume of training that I was doing I noticed a difference in my sex drive. It was one of the one of the things that I noticed

the most. It was more appropriate. Yeah, yeah. I think that one of the things that we tend to do is fitness enthusiast is we tend to overreach probably more because we like to work out. Totally. And when I had scaled back my training, one of the things that was like the side from seeing strength go up and my joints feeling better, one of the other indicators was I also noticed like libido, sex drive. I noticed that I had more desire to do that and felt better from scaling back on my training. I thought that was a really interesting thing. I didn't go into it with that intention. I wasn't like, oh, I'm going to scale back.

I remember way back and this became quite commonplace, but as a trainer, I did not expect this to happen, but especially when I trained older people, people over the age of like, let's say 65, is they would always come to me, and this would be like, I don't know, three, four weeks into training, it's like a month. And they'd say, I remember one lady in particular, she was like,

yeah, she's like, so, so what are some of the effects of of of exercise? And I'm like, oh, you know, you get stronger, you feel better, you know, you burn body fetch. Like, are there any other effects? I'm like, I don't know. Like, what do you mean? She goes, well, you know, like, you know, in the bedroom, and I said, I saw a laugh. And I'm like, you noticed the difference is she's like, oh, yeah, and she's the word Randy. I have a much more Randy, you know, she, she's obviously old. She's dated her. I know, but that became commonplace. I would have, and I never brought it up. I never

tell clients, hey, you know, we're going to make you horny. It was something that they would come to me and say that they would notice improvements on their own that they would notice these changes and how they feel. We're happy, hungry and horny. Where is the origin of Randy, Justin? Randy, this... I feel like it's something like you, I feel like you and your people would use it. My people. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. Who are Justin's people? I mean, you know, I'm not the shoulders. Yeah. We get Randy. Yeah, where's the origin dug of Randy? Did you ever use Randy?

No, I can't say I have, but it's a good word actually. It is a good word. I like it. That's why I'm like, we're, I mean, any guesses, or but it's a good word actually. It is a good word. I like it. That's why I'm like, we're, I mean, any guesses or where something like that would come from? Do you think it has like a sitcom tie or something like that? Do you think it has something like this? Just one real thirsty guy named Randy.

Oh, that's why I thought I'd sit calm. Like maybe it's like an old sitcom and a guy that was had a- Oh, Randy's like, meee. It's calm down, really? What do you got, Doug? What do you got for? I mean, probably originated with an old Dutch word, ran-ten, meaning to rave or talk foolishly.

I don't understand why they put that, but. To rave? Yeah. There's just in raving again. Man, I thought there would be such a better explanation. I think so. I'm looking for a better one. Yeah, keep keeping.

There's a few different ways that it's speculated or observed, I should say, actually, because they've observed this, that exercise does this. One of them is it stimulates the sympathetic nervous system. So like dopamine, you know, serotonin, or epinephrine, all of these play a role in sex drive. In fact, they play more of a role in sex drive than even testosterone. Now testosterone plays a big role when it's really low, but when it's within range, it's the sympathetic nervous system that plays the biggest role in sex drive. And this way, some drugs, for example, have been known, like people will use them for sex

and stuff like that. Well, I imagine, yeah, just the closer you are to balanced, you know, in all directions there, stress, hormones, everything else, like you're gonna be more likely to, you know, feel those feelings of sexual drive. There's also increased circulation everywhere. So circulation to the genitals is real important. Obviously for erections, but also women also experience, you know, what you could be say is kind of like a,

almost like an erection themselves, where they get bloody bones. We used to call it that, yeah. What, what do you mean we, maybe you guys don't remember a long time ago Almost like an erection themselves where they get blade bone. We used to call it that. What? What do you mean we? You guys don't remember a long time ago in the podcast we had a whole hashtag LadyBoner. That's right, that's right.

That's right. So how much does strain training, or let's say a single training session improve blood flow and blood circulation? Oh, wow, that's a great, no, I don't know. If one, I know it will. Oh, I think it will. But I know that long term, I know the study's on long term. And I wonder if it's kind of like a bell curve,

like it, as you start to, the first session already starts to increase blood flow and then it gets better, better, better, and then at one point it has to like, peak out, it has to optimize. And then it probably, you know, it's not going to stop. Well, I know this's out. Maybe like. I know those long-term adaptations because as muscles get bigger,

you need more capillaries, more blood flow. So you just get you end up building more than capacity. I know that. I imagine it's like any other system that the more you train it, the more it'll adapt and more efficient it will become. Well, think about the pump, right? So when you're working out and then you get a pump in the muscle, that is blood flow, that's improved blood flow.

And you don't necessarily get a pump your first few workouts. In fact, one of the signs that your muscle is starting to develop is when you first start to get that pump, like you'll train somebody with really, you know, let's say underdeveloped shoulders and they do an exercise and they'll feel the burn and everything.

But I know like four, five, six weeks later, when they're like, oh my God, they're really tight. Like I know, okay. Yeah. So the capacity for blood flow, I think improves as well. But then there's also body image. When you feel better about yourself, sex drives go up.

And then I read this article on strength training in particular for women, because there's this interesting phenomenon with women where they, if they feel strong and secure, then their sex drive tends to increase. So safety is a very important factor in libido in women. And because strength training in particular improves feelings of strength and security, that that may be one of the other reasons why strength training in particular tends to have the the best effect on

Lovito. Interesting. But evolutionarily speaking it makes sense right if you're unhealthy your body's like we're not going to have you Procreate because then you're going to have to support another mouth and you're obviously barely supporting yourself I'm not doing very well and then when you improve your health and you know it's the opposite your body's like you're healthy We need more of you go procreate. You're a lot more likely to do the lights on. Yeah, it's another benefit. That's the other one. I had some science to share for your science corner here,

although I don't have the study or any of this up, but it was something that Andrew Huberman said, and I was actually talking to Andrew about this the other day. Hubs. I want to start calling hubs. Hubs? Yeah. That sounds terrible. want to start calling hubs. Hubs?

Yeah. That sounds terrible. He's riveting. I read a post that he had done a few weeks back and I thought it was interesting. I think Andrew heard me either talking about it bring it up and he says, yeah, actually I've tried that and I actually noticed a huge difference. So I thought, oh, let me see if I noticed a difference and I have. And what that was was, did you guys see this post that he talked about caffeine intake in the morning? Yeah, later, wait a little, wait a little bit. Not a little,

like an hour and a half to hour. Yeah, that's a lot. Bro, you know what a big deal that is? That's the big deal. That's what the fuck does that? I do. Huh? I do that. No, you don't. Just I do. If you get up in the morning of five o'clock in the morning You have a pre workout before you work out. Yeah, I don't work out at 5 30 So we get up at four o'clock and then no no no no no no no no no no no no no I wake up at like around 5 30 my workout typically doesn't start till about 645 And I take my pre workout about 6 15. Thank you Doug. I think he's lying No, I'm telling you never talked about this thing because it let me tell you something I'm not talking about it. Let me tell you something. Oh, I didn't talk about it because I know it was such a thing.

It's a big difference. Yeah. Andrew was the one that got me to it, because I saw it and I'm like, oh, that's interesting. I wonder how much of a difference is, because when it comes to science like this, I'm always like, okay, cool.

Can we feel the difference? It's gonna make that big of a difference. Do you know why? I can't, that's what I don't know. I don't care enough to let get to the truth. What's the reasoning behind it? So there are chemicals at your body, your brain naturally produce, that will wake you up.

And ingesting caffeine right out the gates. It doesn't allow that to naturally. Well yeah, it influences it. So you want your body's natural wake up chemicals and stuff to happen. And then you throw caffeine on top of that later and you don't get the crash. The crash. You don't get the crash.

You don't get the crash. That's what I really noticed is the, interesting. Now it's difficult, right? So my, typically how I start my day, it's probably like Justin is, I roll out of bed and I fire the coffee maker up first thing before I do anything.

And it's like, I need my cup of coffee and I'm probably drinking it on the dry, which is, so that means I'm probably drinking my coffee 30 minutes or so from wake time. I'm already sipping on the first cup of coffee. Maybe I push it to 45, but never much longer than that. So I've been actively waiting to hit beyond that hour and a half mark,

and I notice a big difference. It's noticeable. So I didn't do it on purpose, because I didn't know about this, but then I read this and I said, oh, that's cool, because it worked out for me. Because normally I wake up,

I read, I use the bathroom, I get my lunch prepared, I'll, you know, whatever, if I'm gonna make breakfast for Aralius or for Jessica, whatever, I'll do that. So it's usually about 90 minutes or so before I have caffeine before my life. So my theory is that, you is that somebody like you who's unintentionally

kind of already doing it probably is not going to see a huge difference between 90 to 120 and somebody like Justin and I who have trained themselves for so long and probably Andrew too. I'm sure that's why he did it who like drink their coffee first thing and consistently do that all the time, disciplining yourself one morning to kind of fight it off for an hour and a half or two, and then have your... That's gonna be a battle.

It was for me, it was a little bit of a battle. It's now, you know, it's turning into a little bit of a game for me, because it takes me an hour just to drive here. So I'm already when I hit my drive, I'm already a bit up for about a half, or 45 minutes to an hour. Yeah.

And so then I'm like, how much further can I get in the drive? Like, can I wait and so I keep stretching it and I notice that when I stretch it to- Is that safe to drive without caffeine for you? Yeah, it's actually okay. Um, and- but I- I feel a noticeable difference. So if you're somebody who's listening and you are like Justin and I and Andrew where you consistently have coffee first thing when you wake up, delaying it by an hour and a half to two hours, I've noticed a big difference. That's going to mean you're going to have

to wake up a little early Justin. Yeah, forget that. Yeah, because otherwise you wouldn't get just. I mean, listen, I was skeptical of like, am I gonna feel it? I felt it enough that it's worth you trying. Yeah, okay, so I'm just gonna be like, nobody talked to me, I'm gonna make it real clear. Yeah, that's key to it, my car. I'm gonna, you know, put the podcast on, whatever, and then just like a zombie, I'll get here. No, you're right.

That's the key is to avoid people you love. And so, until, so you So it has me any questions. Well, I mean, okay, so the reason why this is hard for some people is people often set up their morning so that they wake up at the last fucking minute before it's time to like get. Well, I'm guilty of both of these. And that's why it's a child's.

I'm guilty of, yeah, me too. I'm guilty of pushing the limit to how close to shower, brush my teeth and get out the door time. That's because you guys go to bed late. If you went to bed earlier, yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm a knight. I mean, that's what all the fun happens. I agree.

Mom, I'm wondering, we overrated. Well, give a shot, see if you know what I mean, I get what you're saying. I have no option because of the way I'm not gonna be able to work out. Well, yeah. So, you know, that's what I mean. No, you've made it yourself.

Yeah, I think I'm gonna stop working out. I think that's what it is being used. You're just gonna to work out. Yeah, well, yeah. So, you know, that's what you've made it yourself. Yeah, I think I'm gonna stop working out. I think that's what it is being used to cut that out. Just cut that out. It's not being work. Yeah, it's not turning into a whole new workout. It's all fit this thing, you know? Yeah, I don't know. And we'll do a 90 day challenge in the reverse.

Let's follow Adam as he becomes less fit and healthy over the next 90 days. You know, I tell you what, the thing that I have honed in the most and I would say the last five years or so is the balance of nutrition and relation to training, intensity, and volume and consistency, right? Like, I was so on off for so many years of... So like if you were off the workout diet,

that's true. Yeah, I was also making the bad effect choices. And I think it's more common than not, right? I think it's more people, because I also think that when you're not consistent with that, the discipline's harder because it's the cravings, oh, I haven't worked out, like all these things are compounding,

so it's easier to make those bad choices, which is already by the way, even when you are training difficult to do. So it is mentally more difficult, but it's been my kind of way of like, hey listen, I haven't earned this, I haven't been consistent on this, so I'm not gonna indulge on that ice cream,

it's gotta sit there, I'm not gonna have it. And then back on my, okay now, and just shifting that ice cream, it's gotta sit there, I'm not gonna have it. And then back on my, okay now, and just shifting that mindset of, I'm not gonna allow those things to creep in my life unless I'm consistently training and vice versa. And I find that I've been able to manage my fitness level in overall health way better in the last five years by making that a great way.

That's wisdom, that's wisdom that for sure setting in because that's so calming, right? It's more calming than not where, and by the way, this works in the reverse. You'll see in studies where people will start exercising and they'll naturally, typically, also start to slowly improve their diets. In fact, I learned this as a trainer

and I often didn't touch diet for the first 30 days that I trained with someone. I wouldn't even touch it with a client. We would just start working out. No, you're right. You'd naturally just start making a little bit that it's just because they're exercise. And they would typically come to me

and then want more advice on diet, and then we would, and diet is objectively more challenging. Anyway, you know, you work out, you show up, you're gonna get a workout. The diet part was more challenging. So I wouldn't touch diet for like 30 days, sometimes longer, and I would wait for the person to kind of tell me that they were ready,

and I'd let them know what was happening. But you would see them naturally make different choices because they started working out. So it works in the reverse. Yeah, can we expand a little bit on the conversation that we had with that lady on the live caller the other day? I just think that, I don't know if you guys saw, I did a little, I had day in the

live yesterday and so I did the story and I talked about her case. And I guess maybe it's weighing on me because I'm helping my sister in law at the same time and it's like the identical problem. And I think that it's, it has to be from their perspective, one of the most frustrating places to be, right? I'm a female, I'm overweight by anywhere between 20 to 40 pounds. I am eating what I would consider good, because I'm eating low calorie, 1,300 to 1,500 calories.

I'm strength training three times a week, and things just aren't happening for me. Like, I don't get it. And then the natural desire to want to go burn it off by running or get on the treadmill or even restricting more or just thinking, something's wrong with me. Right, right. It's just my body's what's going on and you'll hear that often like, I don't know what happened and I don't know why my body's responding or not responding. I don't know what's going on and you'll hear that often like, I don't know what happened and I don't know why my body's responding or not responding. I don't know what's going on. And then you

look at their diet and they're consuming minimal protein. Like, like, they're consuming just enough to not have health effects from not having it. I think it's definitely a good conversation because it was so frequent. It was so many clients that I had similar issues with and Courtney as well that I've had to kind of talk through that process. It just seems like it's not very intuitive to really seek out protein heavy meals. And too, it's a lot easier to kind of pick and eat like a bird almost.

It's like just smaller meals. There's a lot of myths around what high protein is considered. Like, people will think, oh, I, you know, I ate some peanuts. So that's protein or I had a yogurt. Right. That's got, that's got protein in it. Or I had a slice of cheese. Or you even have one to two meals with a big protein serving.

Yeah. You eat a big chicken dinner. But that's it. Yeah. Or you have a turkey sandwich for lunch. But it's like, okay, your subway turkey sandwich has four ounces of meat on it. That's 20 grams of protein.

And then your huge chicken dinner is maybe 40, 35. Well, that's, and even she gave the example of like her go to's like, deli meat and eggs. And it's like, you're just not even getting close to it. Yeah, it was one egg and bruschetta or whatever. Yeah, that was common. I mean, that was the same exact kind of thought process. Push everything and bruschetta or whatever like that. That was common. I mean, that was the same exact kind of thought process that we've been with. Oh, that's what it was.

Quarantine, I say bruschetta. Bruschetta's the bread with the tomato. Oh, prosciutto is the one that's prosciutto. It looks like a big thing that never gets old and you carve off of it. Yeah, it's like a tie and bacon, I guess. Yeah, if you think about that. Yeah, and in her head,

it's like, those are both protein choices, but what, an egg's got four to seven grams tops. She had like 12 grams of protein for breakfast. I know, it's like, I remember talking to clients and I'd say, well, you know, do you get enough protein? Oh, yeah, I have, I had some cheese, you know, for a snack and I had like, cod is chanful of almonds.

And, you know, I had two eggs for breakfast. I'm like, you've had, all day, 35 grams of protein, which is actually barely enough to even keep you from noticing health effects, negative health effects, let alone the optimal amount of protein to build muscle. Well, I think too,

because it's satiating, it, you know, maybe just a foreign idea to keep going. You know, it's just like, well, I'm, it's almost like the eat-till are satisfied. And this is something that Courtney was expressing to me. It was like, yeah, but I'm done, I'm full. I'm like, yeah, but you haven't even got close to the marks I'm trying to get you.

Well, that was, so that's my sister-in-law, right? Like, when I was pushing her up, she's like, I can't eat anymore. It's just so much fun. It's like, you know, it's crazy is that like, we got to this place where you're putting on all this extra weight from eating too much food, but it was the food choices you were making

of over consumption. And now that I've got you in this place where we're strength training, I need you to hit those protein turns. Otherwise, all the stuff you hear us talk about, the these great benefits of lifting heavy weight and building muscle and speeding your... You're getting a fraction of those benefits because you're not giving the body

the nutrients it needs to go and build that muscle. Imagine being in that situation. You'll build some muscle. So minimal though. It's going to be so hamper. So hamper. So more drawn out. Basically like you're giving the plans to build the house But there's no workers there. So it's just sitting there your body is Building the house you know, saying like one person is working. Yeah, yeah So so it's so it's so common and I can't stress that enough to The listener out there that if you are in this position where you feel like you you eat good, right? And that's what's hard to is like him my sitter is like

Then I out of my I don't make bad. I don't eat candy. I don't drink sodas. I don't do alcohol I don't like by the way. this is why some people, especially women, when they add one protein shake a day, it blows their mind. No, you're right. And then they think there's something magic about the protein shake. It's like, no, you literally doubled your protein because you took 30 grams of protein.

No, you're right. And that's what you're noticing. 100% you're right. And also, I know we always talk about the, you know, going the route of whole foods always, but this is an example of where I typically have to like tell a client to like include a protein shake because they just can't, they can't get it. And so it's like, okay, in this case, and then, but we always tell them when I say, listen,

I want you to add a shake every single day, but the goal is eventually to get to a place where that becomes a real whole food meal. This is when amino acid supplements make a big difference as well. I had it. There was a guy years ago in Jiu-Jitsu. He was a vegan and we were talking. He was like, God, I have such a tough time recovering and my muscle's hurting this and that. So I had him supplement with branch human acids and it was a game changer for him.

Now the reason why it worked for him so massively is because of protein intake. Whoa, protein. It was so low. I mean, he could have just increased his protein intake but it was really challenging for him because he stuck to whole natural foods. They don't want to take protein powders,

which is interesting because he did take the BCAAs. But that's when those make a huge difference is because your protein intake is really low. You know, this is the type of, I'm reminded all this, I know Doug, I think you had the NCI talk yesterday or whatever, but this is one of my favorite things about Jason and their team is,

you can read the science around calories and protein and building muscle, but it's these types of conversations and how to apply that science to your clientele that I think is the difference. Well, look, you can say, and this is what I would run into as a trainer. I know you guys did as well all the time, you can say high protein, and the person that you're talking to has a completely different concept or understanding of what high protein means. So to them, okay, high protein, I'll have an egg.

That'll be, that's a protein meal, or I'll have a small yogurt cup or whatever. So that's got protein in it as well. It's like, okay, it's six grams of protein. Or I eat this cereal that says it's high protein. It's like, well, it's got five grams of protein, it's not much. So you have to really spell it out and show people, no, no, actually, you know, or I eat this cereal that says it's high protein. It's like, well, it's got five grams of protein. It's not much. So you have to really spell it out and show people, no, no, actually, you know, you weigh 130 pounds. I want you to get like 110 grams of protein a day. And this is what that looks like.

And you know, what always blow their mind like, I don't, I can't eat that much. It's like, well, try it and see what happens. See what happens to your results. By the way, speaking of NCI, they're doing a giveaway, Doug, you pull it up there on the screen. Yes, so they're gonna give away an all expense paid trip

to Arizona and April where they're gonna be able to hang out with us and what they're gonna get is they're gonna get flown out, they're gonna get all expenses paid, they get a VIP ticket, so they get to have a great seat and they get to learn from the world's best nutrition fitness marketing sales. And more, you have Alex Hormosi speaking, Tom and Lisa Billu and many other people.

And then we'll be there as well. So you'll attend, you'll get all the stuff paid for covered. And then it's, and you get a course, you get a course included with this. And this is going to be the winner will be announced December 19th. And what's the website? What is that? MinePump? Yes, ncy-mimepump.com-forge-c-2-3.

So go on there, enter, and then see if you win. I don't think you and I are speaking at this event. I think what we're doing is they set up this is like gonna be like this private fireside. Yeah, we're gonna hang out. Yeah, I think that's what we decided. We're gonna do this time. Anyway, I wanna get, we gotta talk about the,

what's the girl's name? Brittany Griner. Brittany Griner. I knew you were gonna bring this up. Yeah, we're not sure. You okay, so here's what happened, right? Totally fair trade, by the way. She gets, this is, we'll get there.

So she gets thrown in jail in Russia because she had a vape pen with, I think some THC residue on, right? Yeah, yeah. So, and that's highly legal over there. Throw in jail, I don't remember what the sentence was, it was a ridiculous sentence. And we negotiated her release by releasing

the world's most notorious illegal arms dealer. Totally fair. What's his name, but maybe Doug can find it. The WMBA can now continue. Yeah, so here's why I'm annoyed with this. Not that I think she should be in jail. I think it's silly to throw someone in jail for possession. It's a victimless crime. If you hurt somebody, you do something stupid

or whatever I get that, but if you're just processing how many people in our own country are in prison over stupid dumb stuff. That's still. But none of them playing the NBA, none of them are minority lesbian basketball players that got politicized. And so nobody gives a shit about the thousands and thousands of people in our jails

who are thrown in jail for releasing pedophiles over people with these minor offenses. Yeah, and their possession, and yet this girl does this, it gets politicized and we release one of the most notorious evil people ever in order to get her back. Do you get the name? His name is Victor Bout. He's also known as the merchant of death.

There was a movie that had it. Okay, so it was Nicholas Cage is called Lord of War. That's based off of this guy. Okay, put your tinfoil hats on. We got to get some new negotiations. I didn't take it off, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, put your 10 full hats on. We gotta get some new negotiations. I didn't take it off, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So keep your 10 full hats on and tell me this,

do you think so on, because Putin was involved in this, right? Putin is one of the things. So do you think that Putin is this much of a mastermind that one of my buddies are in prison in the US and I go, I don't worry about it. We'll get you out, you know, I'll seize an opportunity. I don't even know.

You know how politics are over in the US and the things that move the needle in the news. And you go, you just are waiting, you're waiting to seize that opportunity of, and you target, like you go after like, I don't think they, I don't think they, she was there. He found an opportunity. Yes. It was like, it was like somebody just like gifted him this.

That's what I'm saying. So you think it's more like, yeah. It was hurt, it was hurt. It was hurt. Uh huh. It was hurt, Vapen, she admitted it. No, I know, but, but I mean like, uh, to, to push the, that, that type of a sentence and to go like I feel like so it he had to be he had to know that he was gonna

Do that the laws the laws there is more on our Motivation. Yes, that's my question. So the laws there are very very Strict in harsh when it comes to possession of certain substances where you know like marijuana So I think she got caught. She's got some notoriety. It's a WNBA basketball player. And at this time, Russia and the US don't necessarily have the best relationship.

So I definitely think Putin sees the Pondit. But I don't think he sees the Pondit for the trade. I think he sees the Pondit to show his people and the world that just because you're a famous American, you're not above the law. That's what I think he did. And then our politicians were the ones to seize the opportunity to go,

oh, we got this basketball player chick who's a minority and whatever. We got to go save her. Let's make it happen and it looks good for us to do. That's what I think. Because I think it could have been a random American. Like if some other American got thrown in jail, nobody would give a shit.

No, no way, they would care. They would be rotting in prison right now. Nobody cares. So I think it was our politicians were like, oh, this is going to work for us politically. Because look, we save this girl. And we'll do whatever it takes. And then, of course, Putin's like, cool.

You're coming to the bargaining table saying you'll do whatever it takes. Well, this is what I's like, cool, it's, you're coming to the bargaining table saying you'll do whatever it takes. Well, this is what I want. I want this dude, you know, to get released. Ridiculous. I don't know, I got a lot of questions. It's, yeah, it's silly to me. I don't, again, I don't think she should be in jail.

I think that's terrible. Yeah, of course not. But man, we just gave away somebody that was responsible for some terrible shit. I mean, this guy was dealing with illegal arms like for some acts. And many of these arms were, you know, could have been implicated in terrorist attacks. But the war is just things that just look bad. The optics of it overall.

And I mean, I hate to bring up how we left Afghanistan, but that is just not. We left it. Yeah. That was a disaster. Crazy. So speaking of just to kind of hammer this home, women's sports, did you guys hear about the women's soccer team? How they're going to get money from the men's soccer team? They negotiated. It was called like a revenue share. Well, I mean, the NBA has been playing for the WMBA for a long time.

It's a losing, it's a losing, by the way, I got all kinds of followers from that. There was a viral video of, I don't even know the, the, the ladies name that's a WNBA player that was being interviewed. And she was talking about where, you know, we're not asking for the same pay as, you know, LeBron James, that we just want a revenue share of the, the profits of all the stuff that's being sold off of our name and stuff. But the thing that's so crazy and ridiculous, I made some comment about zero of zero is still zero, right? It's like, you're not, the WNBA doesn't profit anything. It's completely propped up by the NBA pumping money into it so that it can actually even operate if it was a legitimate business that had to run itself, it would be out of business,

and there would be no profits to share. So this idea of give us a share, a higher share of these, there are no profits. It's not profitable. If it was profitable, then I'm sure. Nobody watches. They would get paid more. It makes me upset because all the people who are like,

but they deserve, and it's not equal, and all the, you know, they label themselves feminists or whatever. If they all just went to the games, they wouldn't need to take money from the NBA. If all you people were super, it's always somebody to who's fighting for it. It doesn't fucking watch or could even name five. I watched a podcast. That's the irony. I watched a podcast where this girl was all super pissed off and the dude's like,

all right, name three players. She couldn't. And he's like, oh, so you're so upset, but you've never been to a game. You don't pay for tickets. You don't buy their jerseys, like you're full of shit. I mean, this is the point that I made with Katrina. Like we were sitting around,

I think it was during COVID and we were talking about all the, remember when that big old ordeal happened with the girls not getting like the same kind of equipment? Yeah, the men did, and so Katrina and I, the first time we ever had even discussed something like this. And she was kind of taking the defense of the girls in this situation. And I said, I said, can you name me five WNBA players? And I mean, how many games have you watched this year? Like, if you really want to support them, and you really want them to have these, these things, then one of the best ways you can do that

is buy a jersey, buy some tickets, put watch the channel so they can get more advertising. Like, I mean, you guys are all screaming and yelling and protesting and making, this isn't fair, it's not equal. It's like, but then you don't watch a game. You don't buy a jersey. You know what I'm saying?

It's not up to everybody else. You got to be the one initiating it. And by the way to talk about that doesn't mean like your anti-woman either. It's like it's business. It's that simple. No, you should get paid what you earn literally in the marketplace. And that's all. And just the fact and again, all the people were mad if they went and bought tickets,

they'd be making a lot of money, but they're not. They just want it appear to care and tell people how angry they are. So now the women's soccer team is sharing revenue with the money from the men's team. Yeah, interesting so that they could you know, I mean, it's the same thing like I said They're doing the very so all the women's soccer team I think is a Far more well-known way more popular than the WNBA. Yeah, they're way the women's soccer team is way more popular I think WNBA. Yeah, so they actually do. I don't know that as a fact. I just assume I'm pretty sure that. Well, I know more of their play.

It was definitely back in the day. We were watching it. It was very popular. Yeah, so anyway, anyway, I got some, I found this page, I know we normally do this at the end, but I'll do it now. I found this page that is really, as showing Justin, we could get lies

in this. This page, it's on Facebook. I don't know if they have an Instagram page. I wrote it down, it's called The Rabbit Hole. Oh God, it's on Facebook. I don't know if they have an Instagram page. I wrote it down. It's called the rabbit hole. Oh God, it sounds like a page. Oh dude, you too. It's all these crazy stories and conspiracies

and a lot of them are true. And I watched one and I, and this is true by the way. So is it any, is there an underscore space? It's just the rabbit hole. Oh yeah, Facebook. Okay. Yeah, it ties a lot of funny stuff in there too, like some mythical creatures and things.

So it does kind of cover the full gamut of. Bro, I'll get lost on there. Okay, so there's not, they're not on Instagram. This is only Facebook. Facebook, okay. So there's, so this is true. I looked this up. Have you guys heard of the German Christmas story

about Krampus? You ever hear about Krampus? No, I saw that there's like a movie for it. I don't really know its origin. This is an actual story. By the way, back in the day, lots of children's songs and stories were designed to get children to behave. Well, they do have an Instagram too.

We're fucked up. Like the stories back then. Like kids, hey kids, if you don't do this, so Krampus. So Krampus can eat you. So this is what crampus does. If you're a bad boy or girl, crampus shows up, throws you in his bag

and kidnaps you, takes you back to his layer and tortures you and eats you. And they still kids. Wow. They said, wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

I don't want to be on the naughty list. This is why kids are so weak nowadays. We tell them stories like this. Yeah, you gotta set them straight. I was actually talking to, who's I talking to, my mom about stuff like this. And she goes, and we were talking about like, man, they used to say terrible shit to kids.

And she goes, well yeah, you have nine kids. You don't have a dishwasher, you don't have a washing machine, you gotta do everything by hand. She's like, you did everything you could to keep your kids in line. One of them was, you act up or cramp is gonna kill, crampus is gonna show up in each.

It's interesting to think about that because what is it, the fairy tales, the gram? The gram. The gram. The gram. Yeah, so all of them had like some kind of reason and moral in there, right? So it's like, they don't want kids

just wandering aimlessly into the woods by themselves, you know, because they're gonna get enticed by this candy house and then moral in there, right? So it's like, they don't want kids just wandering aimlessly into the woods by themselves, you know, because they're gonna get enticed by this candy house and then get eaten by this. Is it fattened up? Yeah, you get fattened up by some witch and eat them. You know, it's, I don't know. There's always like something there that, they're trying to tell it,

but it's really, everything was based on scared of the shit out of them. I mean, Disney did this a lot too, like with all of its earlier movies, speaking of Disney. Did you know Disney? So you're over here the conspiracy theories like Disney's like run by like these pedophile groups and all this other shows like conspiracy around this. Did you ever watch? Yeah. There's an old Mickey Mount old black and white. That Jackie shared this morning. I did. I shared it. Oh, you shared it. You see it? No, I didn't see it.

So it's old Mickey Mouse cartoon black and white and he's on a conveyor belt making Swiss cheese and do you know how he's watching the holes in the cheese? Yeah, because there's just regular cheese un-hold, right? Yeah, but according, so Mickey just decides, hey, I'm gonna like add a hole. Kaboom with his little, with his Mickey Mouse boner. Yeah, you can see it in the cartoon.

It's insane. I'm like, pretend. Did you go to our, oh, I see it. Okay. Yeah. The actual cartoon shows Mickey banging the cheese each time it goes by to turn it into Swiss cheese. And I mean, there's a, if you could,

there's like another video that he actually has a little, he has a way. He's got a little chubby, dude. Oh, it's not I mean he has like it's an it's clear. It's very clear It's clear. It's a this is real. Yeah, yeah Come on That's really old so I mean back then I feel like it probably like got through somehow and people didn't You know get all upset about it initially. I don't know, maybe it just turned to blind eye to it or something. This totally collaborates with the, you've seen the cover of the VHS for Little Mermaid.

It's got boners on it and the priest is getting all excited and like it is pants. I mean, I always, okay, so I think that's less, the liminal stuff. I think that's less like Disney is an organization and more of the Disney has animators. Yes, there's tens of thousands of employees that work there and I'm sure that

there's fucking with each other. Yeah, yeah, that have like crude humor and stuff like that. They're like, hey, let's make this look like a penis. They'll never know, you know, or they'll know way later. Tabit, so I think that that's what I used to think or they can't prove it, right? Like prove to me. I was dropped. That's that's what I used to think until I saw these old ass cartoons were Mickey's, you know, big and cheese.

Now, like, wait a minute. What the hell? I mean, that's very obvious, right? So that's not an accident. That's not like, hey, we'll slip us by. That's like, it's in your face. Yeah. It's not real.

It's not real. No, it was created on a site called beta board. I was just I was just gonna say. by that's like it's in your face. Yeah. It's not real. It's not real? No. It was created on a site called Beta Board. I was just kidding. I was just gonna say. Did we get bamboozled? Yeah, so we did. So it was.

It basically took Steamboat Willie and a bunch of older stuff and they took pieces of that and they combined it to make it look real. Oh, that was a good cut, too. Man, it looked real. I'm looking at that. Man, after you saw that Steph Curry thing, you gotta think that everything

would be just fake, bro. This is where we are now, right? Like, that's how- So many ways to dot your videos. I don't think Disney's the talent. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. That wasn't Mickey O's.

I think you, yeah. I can see it. Yeah, I can see it. I fell for that one for sure. Tick you the mouse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Again, I think it's how fucked up is that that we're disappointed that's fake. That's it. We should be relieved. We should be relieved. Yeah, yeah, again, I think it's how fucked up is that they were disappointed that's fake We should be relieved. We should be relieved All right, well here's here's some real shit from back in the day This is real shit. So you guys know debiers who debiers is they own the diamond mine The one that started the the whole why we should get diamonds for weddings Yeah, and you know if you know how crazy that like how they are both controlling the markets and also did you guys know in the 1950s,

they're miners, and I remember where their minds are, or in other countries or whatever. Do you know where they're in Africa somewhere? Somewhere right? They would, every time workers would leave to go home, they would x-ray them. So they'd get x-rayed every time they lost to see if they stole anything.

They had any diamonds inside their box. That's healthy. They're already in a coal mine. Just x-ray the shit that I had. In the mine and then they got X-ray. Every single day, every time they leave. What a hustle, dude. Yikes.

Such a crazy husband. All right, here's something else that's interesting. I found this this morning. This was real. I looked this up. This is kind of, this is actually real messed up. Did you guys, this is surgeon? Let me see if I can find his name.

There's this surgeon that he went to jail. A British surgeon, okay, Simon Braumhal. So he was a surgeon at the Queen Hospital in Birmingham, England. He got in trouble because he would whenever he'd operate on someone, he would carve his initials into their internal organs. What? That's gank. That's kind of an artist. I mean, if you're a surgeon, you're doing like serious work like, you're like Zoro's, you're kind of understandable.

How messed up is that? So he would- How did someone find that out? That's a good question. Yeah, that is a good question. I mean, they were doing like, just having these- Because he's probably thinking they'll never find out. Yeah, yeah, like how are they gonna find out?

I don't know, maybe someone got an autopsy or something. Yeah, enough people, they're like, what is this crazy? And how's the all these love and how stupid is he to put his initials? To find out I mean if you're gonna do it does that we could do it. That's how do you find that out? That's a good question. Yeah, somebody had to say here In this win what era when was this you said? Oh, this was let me find out 2014. Oh, this is recent I thought yeah, I heard you say 50. Yeah, if you got in he took it scalpel to the abdominal was patient. Oh my god

Yeah, he used an argon beam. This is a tool used to control bleeding from work. So it basically It kind of like it was a laser. Yeah, and he would write his initials on somebody's Conor is it in there. Yeah, that's messed up. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. I know, crazy stuff. Anyway, here's an interesting study. Adam, you shared this with me on Instagram.

There was somebody talking about birth control. Oh, yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. I wanted you to talk about it. And it's effects on muscle strength and muscle. So, it wasn't new to me because I had read this before, but I didn't think it was interesting enough to bring on the podcast.

So birth control has been shown in studies to significantly reduce muscle growth from exercise and adaptations. So, it's got a negative adaptation effect on the body. So women who are working out lifting weights trying to build their bodies who are also on birth control are getting less results. Now is this the hormones? Is this directly connected to what's going on from from an estrogen level? Like which the hormonal level? Yeah, just in general. Yep, in general. So the hormones themselves are, you know, are reducing the adaptation process in the woman. So she's not building as much muscle.

Pretty, I mean, interesting. I don't know if it's necessarily like, I don't know how many women would stop taking birth control for that, because you know, okay, I mean, now you build more muscle, but now you accidentally got pregnant, but. Well, I just think it's good information. But I don't think it's good information

because when I grew up, I think most of my girlfriends that were taking birth control just assumed it was benign. I don't think anybody really... You're right. That to me is... They were never told potentials. I was already marked. Yeah, it was always marketed that way.

Yeah, I mean, it was just, it was all around safe sex in that direction. And there's no like, hey, you know... No ramifications. Yeah, no one's talking about the potential repercussions of that. I mean, Katrina's the only woman I've ever dated or met in my life that actually has never taken birth control for. Oh, wow. Yeah, she's never she never she never she's

jacked. Yeah. So what it says here in the study in this speculation, the diminished lean masking may be related to the effects of birth control on anabolic and catabolic hormone levels or the androgenicity of progestin that may bind to angriogen receptors and inhibit its function. So in other words, progestin type hormones in birth control may actually bind to the angriogen receptor is blocking the effects of the angriogen receptor so that testosterone can't necessarily Now does the study go into if this is a from can't necessarily. Now does the study go into if this is a,

like only when that while they're taking it, or does this actually potentially affect them even post taking it? What do you mean? Like, so? Yeah, so they stop. So like, if it potentially hinders building muscle, not potentially, it does hinder building muscle.

So does that, is that still true post taking it or is it only while they're taking it, are they getting it? Not aware of any long-term muscle building negatives, although I would speculate that once you go off and everything goes back and regulates back to whatever normal that you probably go back to where you were before, although I will say this, long term hormone use, I know they advertise long term hormone uses, like, oh, you go off and you just go back to where you were before.

I don't know if that's necessary to the case, especially the longer you've been on something. I'm sure it would depend on how long that period of time was. I would imagine, right? Because there's gonna be some adaptations that are gonna occur, and the longer you're doing something the more like I have friends again this is all speculation but I have friends who were on birth control for a long time went off and had a lot of

challenges getting pregnant. Is that kind of normal? They say it takes people a year or two years before they self-regulate and get back. Well I from what my understanding I think you're supposed to be able to be okay within six months. I've heard stories of women like, I forgot one pill and I got pregnant right away. So I think it depends, there's a lot of different factors. But you're right, I don't think women are necessarily aware of all of the potential risks,

like depression, mental effects, and then, you know. I mean, I think that was really Dr. Julian Brighton's motivation, right? Yes. Because there really wasn't a lot of information around all the adverse effects of taking that, because it just wasn't promoted to, you know. It's interesting.

She's the only one I can think of that's really a big voice out there of, you know, explaining long-term birth control use, and maybe, you know, to consider ways to get off of birth control and see what that looks like. I think that's where her popularity comes from is that she was one of the real original authors to write a whole book beyond the pill. I think that's the name of the book.

That was it, right? It sounds right. Beyond the pill. Did you guys hear about Chris Hemsworth? I had to look this up just so I don't misrepresent what's going on. Did you hear about what's up with Thor? He did a genetic test and he found that he has two copies

of the APOE4 gene. Those are both connected to an increased risk of Alzheimer's or they are connected to increase. So if you have one of them, you get an increase. If you have two, which is rare, you definitely have a huge increase. And so, I guess he's like this freaked him out. So he's like predisposed. Very much so. Yeah, very much so that because he's got both of these. And so he's like, I think what he's talking about is like he's looking at things he can do to prevent this and you know Stop this because the odds now are significantly higher because he found these genes

So you know, I think that's gonna be one of the the biggest breakthroughs that we're gonna have or I shouldn't say breakthroughs Maybe the one of the most positive or greatest like evolution or greatest like evolution, evolution of science when it comes to preventative. Like I think that, and I heard the all in guys talking last year about some of the tests that you can take now. And that will predict like cancer

and some of the things like so early. Like I really think that we're gonna get better and better at that, which is gonna be awesome right, cause hopefully, and I know, you know, the studies show that people still don't change their behaviors. I mean, I know I would.

I know if I could take a test right now that said, hey Adam, you're on pace to have X, Y, or Z, it would definitely show. So what would you guys do from what you know now, if you found that you had this genetic risk for Alzheimer's? What would you guys end up doing? If there's appropriate steps nutritionally, that's probably where I would start. Max Gavir became my best friend.

I'd go ketogenic. I need a mostly ketogenic diet and I'd really look at controlling insulin. I would start now to really try to make it a ritual in something that's not like foreign to me. Now the challenge with this is when you find these increased risks, it's not a guarantee. And some people, I forgot, who I think was Angelina Jolie, she had the, maybe you can look this up, Doug, the Braque, BRAC, gene, which really increased your risk of breast cancer. She did elective double mastectomy. So because she has this increased risk, she went and just removed her breasts. Completely. She did it. Yeah, so and the risk, you know, the challenges that is,

my God, what would, you know, what people overreact? Like how much of an increased risk? What does this look like, you know? How much can you, can you reduce the risk by changing your lifestyle? So that would be, that's a thing. Like you could cause undue stress on someone by,

like imagine if you did a test and they're like, oh well, you know, Adam, it's a 13% change. I'm not sure. Yeah, you have a gene. I would want to test well, you know, Adam, it's a 13% I'm not sure. Yeah, you have a gene. I would want to test for like everything, you know? Oh, really? Yeah, because I don't know, dude, because yes, I would start like future trip and then thinking about

like way too many things that would bring me anxiety versus just like being present. That's a really interesting thought and discussion, because you know, quickly I would respond, oh, I would want to know, I would want to know everything. But maybe you're right, maybe, you know, maybe telling me that I have a 7% chance of getting something would have more adverse effects than it would have positive effects

because it's already kind of low, but it's enough of a chance that I'd be like, oh, shit, maybe I should make some, some lifestyle change, but now I'm thinking about it all time or stressing out when I do something that I'd be like, oh shit, maybe I should make some lifestyle change, but now I'm thinking about it all time or stressing out when I do something that I know isn't beneficial. I just don't like to be negatively motivated anymore.

That used to be a big draw for me, like a fuel source of like, you know, like, whatever pain I'm gonna use that as fuel, like barrel through and like, I don't know, I've been trying to think. And also percentages are interesting, right? So let's say you get, there's a gene that it's the BRCA gene that I was in and I'll get to that in a second,

but it's like, okay, Adam, you have a 40% increase risk of heart disease or something like that, right? So now you're like really freaking out, but if you look at the numbers, 40% of whatever the number is, not saying heart disease, but it's pick another one that's maybe not so prevalent, that 40% increase means it's not a big number because your rate was 2% to begin with.

So now you're, you know, 2.5% or 3%. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I think that would matter. That makes a big difference. Yeah, that makes sense. We gotta be careful because people get freaked out. And, you know, what role does stress play? Yeah, I'm gonna stick with it.

I would want to know. I think I would want to know these things, including what you just said right there. Like 40% of 2% is virtually nothing, but a 40% chance of it happening to me, okay, which means it's almost 50-50, it could happen to me. I would want to know that. And then, and whatever that is,

so I could be, you know, training my body and or mind and adjusting my nutrition to put me in the most, you know, optimal position to handle or work through. Well, so with the BRCA1 and 2 gene, it's actually pretty, this one's pretty terrible. 13%, I don't know this, by the way, 13% of women in the general population

will develop breast cancer some time during the lives. I don't know that, 13%. That's more than one out of 10. By contrast, 55 to 72% of women who inherit the BRCA1 variant and 45 to 69% of women who inherit the BRCA2 variant will develop breast cancer by 70 to 80 years of age. Wow, so that's a big risk jump.

So I can see why maybe she wanted to do, get a double mastectomy. I don't know, man, that's crazy. I would wanna know too, but I wonder how much the stress would play a role, and then you would, anytime you felt something, you'd be like, oh shit, I got that gene. Yeah, I know.

I think for someone like you, it'd be almost a bad thing. Cause I can worry a little bit. Yeah, just, if you have any hyper-conjurex tendencies, I would think that I would caution to throw the kitchen sink of variables of everything that could go wrong at you. And just because it would spend a lot of people out

that are prone to that, I would think. But that's a tough one, because I could see a point too of like, well, if I at least just knew, okay, like potentially down the road, I could be susceptible to this type of disease, this one. And if I just make better habits and go in this direction, at least epigenetically, I'm not gonna express that.

Especially if you're potentially doing something that is really not helping in that direction, and you didn't know any better, right? You had no idea, let's just say saturated, the overconsumption of calories and saturated fats is going to promote the growth of this or accelerate the potential of that. And it's like, I mean, I love saturated fat,

but not enough to where it's like, wow, if it's putting me at that much higher risk, then maybe I do choose different types of foods. There's other ways for me to enjoy food and cut back in a specific category, right? You know what's challenging to about this is, because genes are really complicated. So what's the relationship to the other genes?

And also do these genes contribute to behaviors that also increase the risk of certain things. So for example, let's say you have a gene that increases your risk of Alzheimer's, but what that gene actually does is it increases your sensitivity to like light and poor sleep. So maybe it's the poor sleep,

or maybe it increases your appetite for sugar or something like that. And that also contributes. When you're looking at the group of people that, and maybe not so clear like the BRCA one, that's a pretty big percentage, but maybe looking at other ones, it's like, okay. Now let's look within that group of the 80% of the people

that didn't get cancer, what did they do in their lifestyle, and what did these people do in their lifestyle? Because then maybe if I do those things, what percentage of them end up getting this particular disease? Oh, none, or 1%? Well, okay, that's not that big of a thing. So we don't necessarily know enough about some genes we do,

but a lot of other stuff we don't necessarily know enough about to make these big decisions, which is why I think, this is why insurance companies, health insurance companies don't test for enough about to make these big decisions, which is why I think this is why insurance companies, health insurance companies don't test for a lot of these things. They'll test for like a few that are very clear, but other ones they're very careful because it doesn't necessarily mean, you know, what you might say. Do you know that Brad Pitt can't remember people's faces?

Oh, yeah, I forgot what that's called. Yeah, I heard that. I can't remember. You got a weird disorder. Yeah, it's like, yeah, I forget what it's called, but when you're you know because there's a baby that's like One of the biggest things in development process is to recognize faces and like distinguish all the different characteristics and Apparently like it's called pro so Pagnosia pro prosopagnosia,

face blindness, face blindness, there it is. Yeah, so he can't like distinguish in a crowd like who's who? Which is weird, yeah, it's like, so it's probably like nobody believed him either because it would probably be like, I see you guys and then until I hear your voice, I don't recognize you. Oh, that's Justin, okay, what's up, man? Yeah. Isn't that weird? It's really weird. I know, it's hard to like process like this.

There's another disorder, maybe that's what I'm talking about. I mean, his vision is okay. Yeah. So does his brain perceive it? Yes, yes. Wild. Yeah, there's also this one disorder that you'll recognize someone,

but you were 100% believe that it's not that person and rather it's an imposter. So I'll see like Doug and I'll recognize someone, but you were 100% believe that it's not that person, and rather it's an imposter. So I'll see like Doug, and I'll be like, God, man, that guy looks just like Doug. It's not Doug, it looks just like him. And you believe it so strongly. And that's an actual disorder that some people have. Oh, that's a weird shit. Yeah, right?

Anyway, we're supposed to talk about complicated. Another one of our sponsors, LMNT. I gotta say this, so obviously Jessica right now is breastfeeding and Boy does element T play it really contributes to her milk production. Yeah, I remember when we had a Raylius That this way first started working with element T They told us that there were lots of women who were nursing who were saying oh this makes a big difference it increases Milk production was sodium rob wolf that brought that up there were lots of women who were nursing, who were saying, oh, this makes a big difference. It increases milk production.

Was sodium. Rob Wolf that brought that up? He did. I remembered that and was like, I've never even thought of that, but it totally makes logical sense as well. It totally does. No, Katrina did it.

It was a big difference. You could see a big difference. Oh, yeah. I mean, I couldn't see. I mean, kind of, I could see. But... I mean, it really was her routine. Why do you keep giving me element?

Every fool today. Every fool today. Every fool today. Every fool today. It's like it doesn't work after the baby, Adam, after I'm done. I'm not going to talk to you anymore. Maybe if we rub it on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just put the powder on. No, it was, she also had these things that she, I think they were like, I think there's like, they make these cookies or whatever, crack. Like, I think they're cookies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that would like to those two. There's also, what do you think? The whole beer too, like beer does it,

the wheat and beer does it. There's some, there's these compounds, this class of compounds called galactagogs, maybe Doug can look them up. But these sounds like something of transformers. It's galactagogs. They, I think I'm saying it right, they increase milk production.

However, one of the side effects is it gives, it can give the baby gas. So, you know, so we try, there's these tea, this tea called Mother's Milk and we were trying it. But then the baby was having trouble. I think she tried that too. Yeah. Fennigreek is one of them and then there's, oh, galactical, I did say it right. Synthetic or plant molecules used to induce

maintaining increased milk production. Yeah, there's like goats' rue, is another one. Goats' rue, Finnegrique, and I can't remember. I mean, I know you're early right now, but what are, or are there any challenges you guys are having right now? Like, are there anything that she's having like, latching has been fine, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, how, like he likes to like, he'll try to jump on Jessica

or grab while she's holding the baby. And so now she tells him, when I'm holding the baby, you have to sit on your butt so he'll just sit down and not jump as much. I'm smiling laughing inside because you just reminded me about like my favorite new sport to watch. It's called juggling, It's a combat juggling. So the juggling pins and then they're like hitting each other and they're like juggling. I swear to God, this is a real thing. What?

Watch the video. It's gotta be in Russia. Yeah. It's gotta be somewhere totally. So, okay, so is it more than one or is it like one on one? Me and you are fighting or doing something? Yeah, I think it's like it's like teams. And you have three of these bowling pin things that they normally juggle, right? And they're kind of like running around, trying to knock the other guys' pins as they're juggling. It's hilariously like weird.

Like why? Like who you've thought, like, yeah, I'm juggling, you know, I'm just imagining some kind of mind like getting messed with. And then he's just like, it I'm juggling, you know, I'm just imagining It was kind of mind like getting messed with and then he's just like It was the jugular's association trying to figure out how to like become more popular like you know We haven't been popular for decades nobody cares about us. What do we? Juggling extreme. Yeah, that's not that's not as cool as what the the the fights that they're doing now and tie each other Yeah, I mean the phone booths the phone booth file like pretty

that they're doing now. They tie each other up. Yeah, I mean, the foam booths. The foam booths fight like that. It's a pretty epic. Funny, dude. Those are epic. Or in the car, if you see the one in the car. Yeah.

Or the one where on that platform and then they jump down off a platform and you know, attack somebody. That's a good tie. I like the one where they're like, they're tied to each other and they have to fight each other. Oh, arm wrestling.

Yeah, yeah. You either win by arm wrestling, or not going to go out. You know which one I watched that I thought would be way more cool Than it was it actually looked I couldn't watch it. It was terrible. It was a gang. It was like group Combat so it's like four I was like five against five Yeah, and you think like in the movies like this gonna be freaking red

But here's what actually happens in real life Somebody gets knocked out and then it quickly becomes five on four, then five on three, then five on two. And then you're like, oh, I don't wanna watch this. It's like two guys, it gets five dudes, it gets jumped. That's it. And then you think about it like the times that you've ever, I don't know if you guys have ever

been in a big group fight. Oh yeah, that's exactly how it works out. It's the worst. Yeah, get out of there. Check this out. We work with a company called Pathwater is the first certified refillable and 100% recyclable

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First question is from that guy KC. How should you, your training change if you slept like absolute crap the night before? Well, because you said absolute crap. So there's like, my sleep wasn't as good and then there's like, it was terrible. You're probably better off skipping your workout or going through and just doing very light movement to alleviate stress inflammation, just kind of

move through it, but you're probably okay and you might be better off skipping the workout because training on top of the stress of terrible sleep, So training itself is a stress on the body. If your body's already under a lot of stress because one night of really, really bad sleep plays a tremendous amount of stress on the body. So then you're gonna exercise. Not only are you not gonna build muscle and burn body fat, but what you're gonna do is gonna amplify the stress signal,

making your body wanna hold on to more body fat, make your body wanna get rid of more muscle and increase your risk of things like craving. So if it's that bad, you're probably better off skipping the workout. I would venture to say like your average person doesn't really realize there's a way to train recuperatively. So you go in and you don't have to necessarily lift in such a way where it's still going to be demanding and intense. And, you know, I think some people know how to kind of lower that intensity,

but there's a way to really kind of, uh, promote more recovery, more and facilitate, just blood circulating and, and, um, to be able to go through the movements. So that way it actually brings you overall stress of your body down. This is such a hard one to answer because I'm for sure know that each of us would answer different to five different people with the same thing. There's five people, all five of them had terrible sleep the night before, but given a little bit more information about that client, I could foresee you giving

advice different, at least a handful of different pieces of advice. For example, if I have a client who is extremely inconsistent with their training already, and they also got a bad night's sleep and we are just catching momentum in our training. I care more about the consistency of them staying in their routine than I care, are we gonna make any progress in this workout because of your lack of sleep last night. And then also, am I, are you the type of client that is looking for excuses all the time,

not to work out? And how often does this happen? Is this something that just so happened? Is like just, as if this was like, you normally get great sleep and then this is like a one off, like take the day off. When you never happens, it was a really rough night or go your route.

Go to the gym still, keep your routine but then do something more recuperative. Do that mobility, do stretching, you know, go for a long walk for an hour instead, maybe not do something so high intensity. So, you know, it's hard to just give a blanket answer to this. I can tell you what I used to do with clients, because at some point I made the switch where,

and I realized that I was doing a good job when clients switched from calling me to cancel because they had bad sleep or because they felt like they're shoulder hurt or they're back hurt. So they call me and say, oh, I can't make today's workout, my back hurts or I got poor sleep. And then there was a switch at one point. And this is what I knew I was doing a good job

when people call me and say, hey, I don't have a workout schedule with you today, but my back feel stiff, can I come see you? Or, hey, I got really bad sleep less than that. I feel terrible, can I come see you? Or, hey, I got really bad sleep lesson. I feel terrible. Can I come see you? And what I would do is I wouldn't work them out. I would do stretching. I'd do my facial release. We'd go on a walk outside literally. They'd show up and it's okay. We're gonna do 15 minute walk outside, especially if it was sunny. Then I'd bring him inside. I would do some stretching with them. I do myelthascial release, which is just a fancy term for some kind of deep tissue work

You know to the limits of my expertise And then we would do kind of like full range of motion low intensity movement so that they felt better Yeah, so that they felt like they got a workout and then they would seek me out for this and then it would do what you said Adam it would Maintain their consistency because with a lot of people missing a workout, they start to get, it's hard for them to stay consistent afterwards. It's like they, you know, once the ball is rolling, what do they say, right? You've got to keep it rolling. So yeah, but that's when they would be with me. Now, when I'm, if somebody's doing this on their own, you got to be really careful because people don't do a good job of doing that when they go to the gym. They don't only know how to work out.

And then what would you say, or how would you address, you know, I've referenced Dr. Andy Gowl and a few times when he talked about this a long time ago, about the benefits of actually, you know, putting our bodies through these kind of like stressful, like with, that's not ideal. It's not optimal for building muscles, not optimal for many factors. Yeah, but then the benefits of you pushing through a stressful time like that to teach

your body to be able to overcome a situation like that. So that it has a little bit of value too. Yeah, I think it's more of a mental benefit, right? Because you learn how to kind of be tough and not, you know, be able to work through certain things. And I think there's value to that, for sure, especially when you're training athletes, high-level athletes, or of course law enforcement or military, where yeah, we're not here making it more fit. I'm just making it tough.

Yeah, and I think that's just gonna naturally occur. It's not like something you need to go seek out. It's like, I'm not going to sleep and, you know, I'm going to intentionally do that. So that way, I'm going to get this kind of strength benefit as a result. I think it's just, yeah, it's a matter of being able to deal with what life throws at you and be strong and general mentally with that, but also be able to know that you get, you can bounce back. But I will say this, nothing negatively impacts my workouts. No single thing negatively impacts my workouts

as much as poor sleep. Poor sleep destroys my progress, completely crushes it. I can get away with a bad diet for a little while before I start to see really, really big negative impacts. And I can get away with training suboptimally for a while, but like if I sleep really bad, after a few nights, my workouts are not just worthless, they become damaging is what I notice with myself.

So this is, so because this person said absolute crap and not just like, oh, it wasn't the best. Right. That's when I'd say, okay, if it's absolute crap, like you slept a few hours and that's it. Go get some sleep, please. Yeah, exactly. Next question is from Hello, it's Ivy.

If a muscle is tight, is it better to continue to train it with weight or focus on mobility exercises? You know what's funny about this is this question, and I know where it's coming from. There's a myth that a tight muscle is a disadvantage. Well, it becomes tighter because you strengthen it. That tight muscle is a strong muscle and a weak muscle is a loose muscle. In fact, oftentimes, the opposite, oftentimes a tight muscle is a weak muscle. And the reason why it's tight is because your CNS has identified that

outside of a particular range of motion, there's a high risk of injury. So it tightens the muscle up. It tells the muscle to stay tight all the time. Full range of motion, appropriate strength training actually helps to loosen that up. Like if you feel really tight in your hamstrings, really light, stiff, like a deadlift, would actually loosen them up, where you actually challenge the stretch a little bit with some weight. Now mobility exercises are phenomenal here, but there's, again, another myth with mobility

that mobility doesn't involve strengthening. Real mobility exercises. It is strengthening. It is strengthening. It's not static stretching. Static stretching can be a part of mobility routine, but a mobility exercise itself, you're connecting to the muscle

as you're moving through these ranges of motion and you're trying to build strength in new ranges of motion. That's what improves mobility. Usually you're working a little bit more on in range strength. So a little bit further beyond maybe what you would be working out with weights if that's the case, but yeah, that's one big different feature from that and static stretching. It's just not passive. It's very active.

You're very much trying to support and by activating your muscles and getting them fired up. That way, it has a kind of a accurate response to protect the joint. But yeah, in terms of muscles being tight, it's an advantage as well for performance. So it's not like, so the question itself for me is a little bit flawed. If they're referring to a muscle that is limiting you from function and daily things that you should be capable

of, it's really, it's a protective response, right? And that's something that you can work through with mobility specific exercises to get your body more familiarized with those ranges. Yeah, I think somebody letting us know what muscle is tight would give us more insight on how exactly we would address it in the workout to your point right there,

just if it's tight and it's limiting me from doing another exercise really well, I might actually stretch it and to get it to kind of relax so I can then train the opposing exercise that I'm trying to work through. If it's a tight thing, like let's say tight hips or something like that, I would probably do something like mobility work first in that area, in the hips, and then do a strength training exercise afterwards. And so that's how I would address a tight muscle, but it would depend on exactly where this person is tight and for what reason, and then what we're trying to accomplish on the exact prescription of what I would do.

So here's, so I actually learned that what I'm about to say, I learned this from a physical therapist I work with and she was one of the best when it came to correctional exercise. And I'll give you great examples. So somebody's like, oh my neck and my traps are tight. And you'd think the last possible thing we should do are trap exercises because you're already super tight there.

But what was super effective with this particular case was I would work on, and again, I learned this from somebody who's really good. I would work on the reason why they're tight in the first place. And with tight traps and neck, usually you're looking at poor, you're looking at weakness in the mid back, you're looking at weakness in the muscles that drop the shoulder blades, you're looking at some shoulder mobility

that changed your heard properly. But before I would do that, I would actually do very light, super full range of motion shrugs with dumbbells, where they come up squeeze and then let the traps drop all the way down, rest, and then come out heavy, but just moving the muscle through full range of motion because what it would actually do

is it would actually tell the CNS to chill out a little bit. And then I would go and do exercises for the muscles that were being protected in the first place with the tight trap. So again, there's a myth that training a muscle makes it tight, that's not the case. A tight, like you're giving me another example, if my body believed that my eight, my elbow was unstable,

which is very rare, but let's just say it did. And it's like, oh my god, your elbow's super unstable. My bicep may just be super tight, so it keeps my elbow in this position. And so I'm like, oh my god, my biceps are tight. Well, it's not necessarily the bicep that's the issue. It's the fact that my body thinks that it's unstable outside of this range of motion.

So I'm trying to keep it in the short and range of motion. So what would fix this type bicep is to let my body know we're actually safe moving outside that range of motion. It's sometimes it might be a past injury that then you compensate for or maybe it's just the way that you've always limited yourself range of motion wise. It just tells the body that we're just uncertain about going a little bit further to that. So we want to protect you so the injury doesn't occur. Next question is from LAPD. Does dairy need to be avoided if it isn't grass fed?

Oh, great question. Not necessarily. So first off, so long as you can tolerate it because dairy's one of the top foods that causes gastro issues for people. So what is the percentage of our population now? Do you know? I like how many people are...

It's gotta be, I want to say 10%. It depends on who you're talking to, by the way. Like Mediterranean, you're going to have a higher percentage in northern New York. Everybody in the Midwest somehow. I mean, the reason why I'm asking that though is to make the point that 90% of you would probably be fine. I think you know if you have a daily intolerance, it's.

It says 68% of the world's population has lactose malabsorption. Yes, but that's because how big of a population is China, for example. And I know that Asian populations have a higher percentage of lactose. Like if you're northern European, you're probably fine. And you talked about the Midwest. The Midwest was like heavily populated by northern Europeans. Exactly.

Like Africans tend to have high lactose issues, except for a certain region of Africa where... Yeah, that one. I wouldn't try, but I remember it's very... The Messiah, heavily. Yeah. You drink this. Hellenic. Yeah, northern Europeans have a lower rate at 18-26%.

So that's lactose, but then there's also dairy and ton. Anyway, my point with this is if you can tolerate dairy, it doesn't cause intolerances. You're fine. Dairy is one of the healthiest foods on the planet. It's actually one of the healthiest foods on the planet. It's very nutrient dense. It's got proteins and fats that are very beneficial. What's the difference between grass fed dairy and traditional dairy?

The fats. By the way, this is where you'll see a difference in beef that's grass fed versus beef that's not grass fed. You don that's not grass-fed. You don't find it in the protein, the proteins are the same, it's in the fats. And the fats in grass-fed dairy tend to be higher in CLA, which is a type of fatty acid that's got some health benefits. And there's certain nutrients that are a little bit higher.

If you have a lot of milk, you drink a lot of milk and you have a lot of cheese, I mean, lot of milk and you have a lot of cheese. I mean, this is like a big staple in your diet. Then you probably, I would say it makes sense over years and years and years, makes sense to go for grass fed. If you have occasional dairy, it's not really like this huge, big staple in your diet,

then it's not gonna make that big of a difference. And I think that's true for grass fed beef. I mean, would you, I would make the case that if you can afford to go that route and you look to your point, eat a lot of, of dairy, that it would, it would behoove you to, to move in that direction. It's not going, it's definitely not going to hurt you by going grass fed.

And if anything, there's, there's one, because okay, so the real difference in the, the fatty acid profile is the, there's a lot more in the grass fed, higher amount, higher concentrate of omega-3s versus the commites. There's more omega-3s, there's more and then higher CLA. Okay.

There's another one. Right. And so you have something that is, you know, you come, if you go non-grass fed, it's potentially higher inflammatory markers, correct? Yes. And if it's three, then you're, that's, it's, it's not a huge difference. So here's the thing, it's not a huge difference. So here's the thing, it's not this massive difference,

but it's enough of a difference to where if you have a lot, I know people, by the way, who will drink like half a gallon of milk a day. Yeah, it's depending on your consumption. Yeah, now it makes a difference. All you, yeah, how much of that is included in your everyday diet and also to the overall calories.

Like, so it just reminds me of like going organic versus, you know versus having just regular vegetables. It's in terms of like if you check the boxes, you're going to check the calorie box first. Yeah. And then after that, we're going to like try and refine and get more quality. It's like grass fed beef. I eat on average a pound to two pounds of beef most days. For me, it makes a lot of sense to go grass fed. Yeah, if you have beef once a week, twice a week, it's not gonna make that huge of a difference.

That's a big difference. But if you eat a lot of it, it makes a big difference. Same thing with eggs. You know, I eat eight to 10 eggs every single day. Pastorase makes a difference. But if you eat like, you know, an egg here and there, it's not gonna make that bigger difference. Same thing with dairy, grass fed versus non-grass fed. If you have a ton of dairy, then it makes sense.

But again, it doesn't affect the proteins. It affects the fats. Why am I saying this? Because you'll see way protein that's grass fed versus traditional way protein. Now, unless you're looking at the like carbon footprint and all that stuff and it's better for the cows, that's grass fed versus traditional way protein. Now, unless you're looking at the carbon footprint and all that stuff and it's better for the cows, that's different, but in terms of a nutrient standpoint,

way, way, way, it doesn't make a difference. Next question is from Justin Lifts Wates. It does. Yes, we do, all his justins. I really enjoy learning and teaching about health, strength, fitness and nutrition. I already make good money though. So, how would someone step into that space without going broke while waiting to make enough

money to support oneself and one's family? I like how you position this guy. Exactly. Yeah, I like how you put this question. I really love helping people in training classes and so on that, but I also don't like being broke. I don't want to be broke. I don't want to be broke. I don't want to be broke. You know, there's definitely some spaces.

I feel like we did a good job of like, a precision. I'm glad you've released like, little reserve. It's the truth. Look, there's some markets where it's gonna be a lot harder to make money. Like, you want to be an artist, you probably should have another job as a backup

because it's gonna be really hard. Now, some artists make a ton of money. But most of them, right? It's the, I mean, typical 80-20 role, right? 80% of the people are making 20% of the money, 20% of the people make 80% of the money in the space. And so, the number is bigger, smaller to pay the market. Like computer engineers, bankers, investment bankers,

fitness, you know, investment bankers, fitness, you know. What do you mean? Well, if you're, if you work in investment banking and you don't make that potential. Yeah, you don't make that much money for that space, you're still gonna make more money than like. Oh, I get what you're saying.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, no, or for comparing the engineers and financial advisors and stuff like that, like, well, if you do that, then even if you're in the 20%, you may only make as much as the bottom percent of the financial advisor. Exactly. So to that point, but I mean, there still is potential.

Obviously, the three of us had lots of success and fitness, even before MindPump, we were successful financially. And so, I believe this, it really is a question of like how passionate are you about this? Like if you really love it, and it keeps you up at night, and it's something that you do even when,

like I know what we have to say at that point, that's how you have to kind of, you know what I knew that this was gonna be, the path for me was, when hours after I was on the off the clock, I was still hanging around in the gym talking about our job and stuff like that. And that it's the and it's the hours and days and weeks and months and years of that time that I spent that compounded and gave me the advantage in this space.

So if you find yourself, and I think this is true in any career path, if you find something like that that you love so much that even if you're not getting paid, you're going down the rabbit hole of getting better. You're going to be good and you're going to make money eventually. It just might take a while and fit. It's a space that I use art because I think it's similar in the sense that, you know, you don't go into fitness thinking,

I'm gonna make a lot of money. You go into it because you're like, I love this, and this is what I have to do. It is not a space you should go into and say, well, I kind of like fitness, but it's a great way to make money because it's not, it's a challenging way to make money. It's not, it's different than other spaces make money. It's different than other spaces.

Like I said, investment makers, I'm sure this passionate people who are super passionate about investment being, but you know, there's a lot of people who do it because it's a cool job, it's all right, but hey man, it's a great way to make a living and I only work nine to five and you're consistent. Yeah, so you have to have a tremendous passion

for fitness to be able to build it into a career because it's challenging. It's challenging to work with clients. You have a high-fail rate. It's not a huge money maker out the gates. It takes a lot of creativity, a lot of hard work. And if you're passionate about it, no, that matters. If you're so passionate about that,

that that doesn't matter, then you know that it's for you. Likewise. So let's pretend this is one of us. We make really good money in the, let's say, the financial sector. Yeah. But you're also passionate about finance. Maybe we don't really love the financial sector, but we obviously love the paychecks. But we want to move in that direction.

How would you guys, I imagine, especially with the way you can make money and fitness today, I doubt that I would cut my job cold turkey as a financial advisor or whatever and go right into training. I think there's a way that you could to mitigate the risk a bit, like really, I think about your angle. I know, I would have to really ponder like, what my strategy is.

I mean, is it really, you suckers did that for this business? Totally different. Totally different. Totally different. Why do we mean? But we just ready to set go. Yeah, we're already working on it. He's asking, I didn't ask anybody. Yeah, and we also had decades of experience and fitness

so that we could talk about it. It wasn't like we came into it and we're like, oh, we don't know how to do this. No, I know, but that's my point though. It's like, you not only did you have all the confidence, experience, and knowledge in the space, we still eased into this. We did because we waited a long time before you even cut the ties, experience, and knowledge in the space, we still eased into this. We did because we waited a long time

before you even cut the ties of your other stuff. Yeah, we did, but imagine becoming a trainer for the first time and just doing three, four hours a day, and I'm gonna turn this into my career. Yeah, I mean, you're right. So, and I know the point you're making here is that, I mean, I stand by the, I love the 10,000 hour, you know, thing. It's like it takes, it takes damn near that to get really, really good at something.

And especially in training, if you're going to make good money enough to where you'd walk away, being a financial advisor, you're going to have to get pretty close to that many hours into. And if you're only doing two hour, I mean, do the math, it's going to take you 40 years. I think if you put that 10,000 hours in, I think if you're only doing two hours, I mean, do the math, it's going to take you 40 years. I think if you put that 10,000 hours in. I think if you're really, really passionate and you really want to do this, then you save up enough money to give yourself a buffer. It's okay.

For the next six months, I can earn minimal money and I'll survive and I'm going to give it myself six months to do well. And then I think the easiest path, not easy, easiest path, would be to work in a big box gym and move up the ladder there. Because I think if you're motivated, you do good with sales, you work your ass off, you could become a six figure employee within a year

working in a big box gym. Now, if you go off and you're never trained people before, and you're like, I'm gonna go do this on my own, and I'm gonna try and build a six-figure business, and you've never done it before. So, we've way harder, just doing it like that. But I think the big box avenue, because a lot of big box companies, UFC gyms,

and even 24 fitness still, you could go get a job there and perform, and within a year, there'll be opportunities to get into management, and then make more money. This is the whole thing. Yeah, this is where I think I've changed my thought process on this a bit because most the gurus out there that are all about leading with your passion is just quit your job and then go all in.

I just cautioned that. And it's knowing, so we talked to Mark Randolph, right? And his whole thing was like to be able to test it at, with minimal risk as possible, you know, minimal investment does your idea, is your idea solid? Is it something that you could actually build and is this wanted by consumers? You get all this data, like right away. Go test it right away.

You know, for this person, I would almost apply something similar in terms of like, well, go offer your services to friends, family, whatever. Like try and get like maybe a part-time job, get your feet wet. Is this even something, or do you just have this sort of glorified vision in your life?

I love that piece of advice, Justin. So I think I'm more on your page with how I would approach this. I mean, it actually is very similar to my path. Like when I first got into fitness, I was still going to school. The main goal was to finish my kinesiology degree. And I actually told the guy at 24th fitness,

like, no, I only want to work part time. That's all I'm going to work. Now what sold me on giving it a year was that literally, every paycheck was bigger. At every two week mark I got paid, it was a little bit bigger. And I could see the trajectory. I had enough of a test like, wow, this is me applying myself half of my commitment and time the trajectory. I had enough of a test like, wow, this is me applying myself,

you know, half of my commitment and time towards this. I've got kind of a knack for it. I'm loving it. I'm spending my down time thinking about it and learning about it. Maybe there's something here for me and then it was, okay, I'm gonna give it one year of my life and pour everything I got into it

and let's see where it takes. I did the same thing, but so I think this, here's something that's in common with that, is that we went to work for a large company that already had the game plan and kind of had the road set up for you. All you had to do is show up and perform.

They gave you the leads, they had the systems, they had the agreements, you had a- I mean, that's what this person's asking. Right, so what I'm saying is, what I'm saying to them is, if this is what you want to do, either A, work in a big box gym or that road is clear. Oh, I 100% agree. Or B, or B, work under a mentor who's very successful, who's willing to mentor you, which is very difficult to find.

Or C, if you do want to try and do this on your own, find a company that trains it, like NCI does this. NCI is a certification company work with, but they also have a business side that specifically works with trainers and coaches and teaches them, this is how you build your business. Because otherwise it's hard, I'm telling you right now, it's really, all the fitness passion of the world is great and it'll help you because you'll weather the storm

or it'll help you weather the storm. You have to sustain it. Man, there's so much stuff. Half the people in our NCI group that I talked to are exactly this person. They have a career somewhere else that they're successful in but they have a passion for fitness and they're trying to make that leap and NCI is an incredible.

They've been making that. But I agree with you and I think that's Justin's point too. This person's saying like, how would I do it? Not to go broke. A way you could go broke is by trying to build a business outside of a large facility on, that would be it. Unless you already maybe had like a large social media presence, if you need some way to generate a lot of leads

and a lot of practice right now. And if you haven't drummed generate a lot of leads and a lot of practice right now And if you haven't drummed up a lot of leads going to work for a franchise or a big company is one of the best ways for you to get those reps Yeah, I would argue even then that'd be a mistake because they haven't built their expertise yet Yeah, and they're craft so like you don't go in the big box But it really helps you to refine the craft of it. Oh, you're saying if they had just a following one. Okay. Yeah. No, I don't disagree. Look, I did both. So I had trainers work for me in gyms and big box gyms. And then I had trainers rent space for me in my wellness

facility. And a lot of the trainers that work for me in the wellness facility were also people who didn't have. It's not like they transferred their business over, they didn't have clients. They came to me and said, hey, I'm thinking about building a personal training business. And I'm going to tell you right now, it was exponentially, and these are people that I trained develop because I own the facility. So it was my best interest to make sure they were successful, the way they couldn't pay me rent. So I would be very involved with helping them build their business at least for the first

90 days exponentially more challenging than when I when a big box gym I could take a trainer you get five clients the next two hours like this no problem Look at the people working on the floor. I'll get you five clients no problem When you when you came to my facility boy was it hard it was way more challenging so we got silly It's the lead see I'm saying mean, you get a big box gym on average, just seeing 1500 to 2000 workouts a day. You work in a little private studio. Like, here is what you get nobody 20 people and they already have trainers right, right? Like, so

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