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Starting point is 00:02:34 B-Fit 317, and Justa Reves. And for Facebook, we have Michael Kazzada, Hannah Elise Cantrell, and Jennifer McCurdy, all seven of you send your name and your t-shirts, those over to iTunes at mime.media.com and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Most people get blood work when there's a problem, but there may actually be more value in getting blood work when you feel great.

Starting point is 00:02:59 This gives you a baseline, so you know what feeling good looks like with your blood work. Then if something goes wrong, you get a blood test, you can compare the two, because there is a great individual variance from person to person when it comes to things like hormones in particular. Very logical. I love that advice.

Starting point is 00:03:15 I mentioned on an earlier podcast that was something that Katrina's mom recommended to all of her kids. And you know, at first I didn't think that was that important. I figured like, oh, you know, like all, if I feel bad, then I'll go check my hormones, then the doctors will tell me if it's good or bad. And obviously through my journey of, you know, hormone replacement therapy and watching my blood work and also that what I learned was that, you know, there's such a huge range of what is considered normal or okay, that you could waiver from being at the top end of okay,

Starting point is 00:03:50 move all the way down to the bottom end of okay, and a general practitioner will go, oh, you're fine. You're not in any danger in this range, but you may be suffering from these symptoms of feeling terrible. Like, oh, I just don't have energy. I don't have the drive I used to have. Like, my libido is down, but then I go get my blood work.

Starting point is 00:04:11 And the doctor says, I'm okay. So then you're like, what the fuck? But had I known that I run at this level on the high end of normal, and I'm now at the low end of normal, which by the way, could be a 50% reduction. Like you can't tell me that that's not a significant difference. Well, what it's known that would be huge.

Starting point is 00:04:30 Yeah, and what it does, it gives them, it would give them an accurate reference point because otherwise the reference point is based on a super-engineer. Yeah, a general sample. So they've actually done studies on this on, on for example, on testosterone. And they found that, and the study was actually to see how much testosterone levels affect

Starting point is 00:04:49 things like strength and muscle growth. That was actually a study that was kind of cool. What they found was that, and these were all men within a healthy range. It wasn't like they took people with super low, super high. I was like, okay, we're all within a range of each other. What they found was that the testosterone levels didn't have an impact on the muscle growth and strength. It was the Androgen Receptor density,

Starting point is 00:05:12 meaning one person could have 30% lower testosterone levels, but because they have more Androgen receptors, their testosterone is actually having exerting more in effect. So what does this mean? Well, it means that if you don't have yourself as a reference point, then the best you could do is start to play around and start to gas. Well, I kind of feel good, I kind of don't.

Starting point is 00:05:32 Like what's going on? This can also be true with nutrients, like vitamin D levels, magnesium. If you look at any lab that you get from your doctor, whether it's nutrient levels and flammatory markers, blood lipids, whatever, it's gonna have a range that's gonna say, here's what is considered normal, but that's so general. It think it's far more valuable

Starting point is 00:05:53 to have a reference range of when you feel good. So if you feel great, now you have a snapshot of that, then if something goes wrong, rather than going off this general lab, you can say, when I felt great, here's where I was. This means, also, by the way, because people sometimes think more is better, not necessarily, more testosterone might not be better, more thyroid may not be better, even if it's all

Starting point is 00:06:18 within range, more vitamin D levels may not be better. You could go to the doctor and be like, man, I feel terrible. Doctors like, okay, let's do some tests. Then you compare it to your reference and you may actually be like, wow, I'm within range, but my magnesium's so high compared to how it was before and everything else seems similar. Maybe it's too much.

Starting point is 00:06:38 You know, I had a client once that she was suffering, I'll never forget this. She was getting like these kind of neuropathic issues. She was like fingers tingling and all this other stuff. And she had done red and she talked to her doctor and they're like, oh, your vitamin B levels might be too low. So she was like supplementing, supplementing, supplementing. Finally, she found this other doctor who says,

Starting point is 00:06:57 you're taking too much vitamin B or Bs, and that might be what's causing it. She brought it down and then she found that she was okay. Now, had she had a reference, she might have been able to go and see, oh, it's so much higher than what it was when I felt good. So there's such a difference because it's not just nutrients,

Starting point is 00:07:13 it's uptake of nutrients, it's cofactors, it's receptors that hormones attach to. It's also the ratio of hormones. For example, you may have high testosterone, estrogen may be in range, but the ratio of estrogen is just testosterone is no longer ideal for you. So now you feel like you actually have low testosterone. In fact, it's just the ratio. So having a reference is so valuable. I wish I had a reference when I was younger.

Starting point is 00:07:38 I think that's a big misconception. The general public is like, if they see a deficiency, you know, one thing especially with hormones, because it's so complex in terms of being able to get them all to be in perfect unison and balance, that just raising one, if it's deficient, is gonna like solve all the problems. When in fact, they also have to kind of figure out how the other ones interact with the other one.

Starting point is 00:08:01 Totally. And then, you know, make sure it's the right dose. And maybe it's bringing up a different hormone that didn't even consider, this is what's happening, too, with my wife. So it's like, it's interesting to see how they're being able to kind of manipulate it. So it gets back to the optimal balance.

Starting point is 00:08:16 Yeah, and so what happens is, if you don't have a reference for yourself, then what they end up doing is end up using this general reference. And then it's a game of, how do you feel, wait three more weeks, how do you feel, wait another 90 days. Let's try this, let's try that. When if you had a reference, you could very easily show your doctor, your practitioner,

Starting point is 00:08:36 and the doctor would be like, oh, let's try and match those. Those levels that you had when you felt great. And now it's like the guesswork is gone. Like you've saved yourself, you know, cause I know like even a hormone like thyroid, which if you had to supplement with a hormone, thyroid is pretty good. It's, you know, I'm gonna say this for lack of term,

Starting point is 00:08:56 it's an easy fix, not easy, but it's an easy fix. But I know people who've had to go on thyroid, and it's like a year process. But getting a dose right is a long process. Totally, yeah. Well, is that one of the things that Courtney is about? She's been battling that and, you know, And it's like a year process. But you're getting a dose right is a long process. Totally. Totally long process. Well, is that one of the things that Courtney is about? She's been battling that and, you know, dip into testosterone.

Starting point is 00:09:10 And then two, finally figuring out she's a little bit estrogen dominant. And so it's like all those factors combined, you know, they have to find, because it took like a good year and a half or so for just for the thyroid medication to really take effect and like find that right sweet spot. year and a half or so for just for the thyroid medication to really take a fact and like find that right sweet spot. Well, I'm even on my my third hormone clinic, you know, by the time it's taking me this long of adjusting the days, the dosage, the monitoring, the blood work every three to six months to really kind of like fine tune exactly where I think I feel the best. You know, it's cool about

Starting point is 00:09:44 you bringing this up and I know we haven't announced this on the podcast yet, and we're not due to officially announced it, but to kind of forecast what's coming for the audience, which is really cool, and I love that we're doing this, is our partners transcend with the hormone therapy, is gonna start giving for free blood work for our audience. A month. So that'll be one of the, when you hear us talk about,

Starting point is 00:10:08 this is not one of those times, but since you brought this up, you reminded me of that. You will announce it when we get it. Yeah, this is something that we officially negotiated in the contract this year for our audience, is that just straight for, for blood panels, basically free for our audience, and we'll figure out how we'll gather that

Starting point is 00:10:25 or figure who the winner is every single month, but it's something that we wanna do consistently every month for the audience. Yeah, if you want more information on for yourself, you just go to mphorimones.com and then we have experts on there that can work with you. But I wish I had a baseline for myself because otherwise, you go in off of,

Starting point is 00:10:44 to give an example, another example, and I'll use just because this one, I know the most about, right? I'm by no means an expert in hormones or nutrients. I have some knowledge by no means am I an expert, but just with testosterone, for example, let's say you go on testosterone replacement therapy because you've exhausted all the natural methods

Starting point is 00:11:02 of trying to raise testosterone, whatever, and you're just in this place where you're like, okay, I'm gonna use exogenous testosterone. The process by which your body produces testosterone also produces other hormones, other pro hormones, DHA, pregnant and alone. You have estrogen balance with it, estradiol, this free testosterone. So it's way more complex than just, here you go, here's your testosterone,

Starting point is 00:11:27 let's raise it. And initially maybe, oh my God, I feel great in that after a few months, or six months, you're like, well, I don't know if I'm feeling so good, and then they got to go back and look at all these other things. So when you have a baseline, oh my God, the value, it would be so great. I wish I could do that.

Starting point is 00:11:40 I wish I could have gone to someone and said, oh, here's what it was when I felt pretty damn good. And then they're like, oh, cool. Now we have some levers and get us back to that optimal balance. Well, think about it. Think about how individual your workouts are, like how your workouts, the most effective workouts

Starting point is 00:11:55 you can do need to be individualized to you. Think about your diet, right? Think about your lifestyle. Now when we're talking about blood levels of hormones and nutrients and inflammatory market lot stuff, like it gets even more, it gets even more crazy and more individualized. So you could have two people and have their panels look identical and one of them can feel great and the other person can feel terrible.

Starting point is 00:12:21 And then you're going to play this game of all right, well let's mess with some stuff. Wait a month, mess some more stuff. Wait a month. And that's kind of a long drawn out process. So, aren't testosterone supplements? One of the most profitable or the most sold supplements on the market. Not most sold, but definitely one of the most profitable. The margins on them are pretty. Is that true? Yeah. And for the most part, too, they're a kind of a waste of money, no? Yeah. Some of them work, but they work when you have low test austro, like really low test austro, and then there's also kind of this, like limited span of effect. So let's say you take a supplement like Ashwaganda or Tom Katali, both of which have been shown to race testosterone. Do you shelf to that? Yeah, do you continue to see and feel the effects

Starting point is 00:13:07 a year after taking them? In my experience, no. In my experience, you don't. My experience, it's like 60, 90 days. And then after that, you kind of don't get the same effect anymore. And then you got to go off and then go back on type of deal. But I can definitely see the value of them in combination with things like lifestyle factors and other things. So I don't think they're not valuable, but the other thing too is there's so many products out there that will improve the symptoms of low testosterone

Starting point is 00:13:39 but not actually race testosterone. So like there was a very popular supplement back in the day for testosterone raising. It was called a tribulous terrestris. That was the name of it. And it was always sold as a test booster. It doesn't race testosterone. But what it does is it increases libido. So guys would take it and be like, oh my god, it's working. My testosterone's going up. It's like, no, you're just, you're getting horny. It's more horny. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:01 You know, well, I mean, I mean, that's what I experienced For the listeners that have been listening for a long time, they may recall when I went through that process of trying to naturally raise my testosterone for, it was over a year. I mean, we were doing everything. Yeah, and you had me on all kinds of supplements, all the ones that you listed. And I remember that, the initial feeling of like, oh, bro, I think I'm feeling better. And feeling like I was on the mend, and then feeling it kind of plateau, and then kind of dip back down again.

Starting point is 00:14:30 And yet I was still consistent with it and then being like, oh man, that sucked. Like I felt a little bit better from it, but then after that, it kind of felt like it ended. And it really was maybe a couple months. It didn't last very long. Like that feeling of it was getting better. And then of course, when I went to the blood work what I saw was it really hadn't last very long. Exactly. That feeling of it was getting better. And then, and then, of course, when I went to the blood work,

Starting point is 00:14:46 what I saw was it really hadn't moved the needle. Yeah, once I hit my mid-30s, obviously this is all hindsight, right? So it's clear now, but it wasn't so clear then. Once I hit my mid-30s, I was cycling supplements like that so often because I would feel so terrible. Now, looking back and obviously realizing that I had, kind of permanently negatively affected my hormones because of some of the actions I took in my early 20s, which by the way,

Starting point is 00:15:08 now the studies that show that if you take hormones in your late teens early 20s, the odds that you'll have that you'll struggle with low testosterone in your 40s is high. Yeah, yeah, it's really high. I mean, that's what I attribute mine to. I mean, I have openly talked about my steroid use in my early 20s and not only using it, but then using it so inappropriately, not knowing what the hell I'm doing

Starting point is 00:15:30 and thinking that I was invincible then and then paying for it when I hit 30. And that's about when I felt it was 30. So I had done it in my early 20s and that off and on through my mid 20s and it wasn't until I hit 30, did I really start to feel good? You know what sucks about that? And I'm gonna be really honest, right?

Starting point is 00:15:47 Because I, you know, I went that route too. There was, I've talked about this in the early 2000s, they had all these over the counter designer steroids. And so I think I felt better about it. It was the same thing though. And had you told me, then, hey, if you do this, we have a high chance, you're going to have to go on testosterone replacement therapy in 20 years. I probably would have been like, all right,

Starting point is 00:16:08 I'm going to keep going. Oh, I know. I mean, I knew the risks that I was taking. I'm like, that's, I knew, like, people ask that too a lot, right? So I've been asked that. And I don't regret it. Like, it's also given me the opportunity to communicate it because I'm not the only person that's done something stupid like that. And so Like it's also given me the opportunity to communicate it because I'm not the only person that's done something stupid like that. And so I feel it's given me the opportunity and we have a platform that I can share my story and tell people to be cautious and be smart.

Starting point is 00:16:37 But I don't regret it. And I know that if 40 year old Weiser Me came back and tried to talk to 20 year old Meiser Me. Even if it was you. Even if you appeared. Oh my God, it's me in the future. I'm going to be alright. Cool bro.

Starting point is 00:16:48 Yeah. See you in 20 years. You look alright. You look cool. You're doing fine. Yeah. You look alright. You're doing alright.

Starting point is 00:16:54 How funny is that? So, so you know, you, you, you, like, just and your kids are getting to the teenage years. I have like, you know, two kids, one at the beginning, teenage years, one that's deep in them. And you just realize how, and I think back to when I was at age, and I'd say up until my mid 20s,

Starting point is 00:17:10 it's funny too, because research shows how the brain develops. It doesn't fully develop until you're like 25. When I think back, there's, you could not have told me, you could not have convinced me. I thought I knew, like for sure, I know what I'm doing. I know what I'm talking about.

Starting point is 00:17:27 So to be in that place now is a dad. How frustrating that is to be like, oh my God, and it's so confident. Yeah, you know nothing. Yeah, but yeah, that's just one of those things. And that's why it's so critical, like, as they're growing up and they're getting exposed to all these things that I can now. things. Respecting that could affect their overall development and stay with them long lasting

Starting point is 00:17:50 effect through the later years. It's like you got to be conscious of all these things. I also, that also makes me think about, now you guys are ahead of me, all three of you are ahead of me with age, with kids and stuff. But that always makes me go to, I can't. It's going to be interesting when I'm faced with these types with kids and stuff. But that always makes me go to, I can't, it's gonna be interesting when I'm faced with these types of situations and conversations with my son,

Starting point is 00:18:09 because, and I already see, I already see so much of myself in him, it's gonna be hard to be actually mad, because, and I don't know, like, you guys, so when I see a dad get really pissed off about his kid doing something, I'm just like, he's you asshole.

Starting point is 00:18:24 You know, it's like, how can you be that mad? How can you be that mad? I'll tell you when you get mad. When you see them, when you see them. Like, you get mad at yourself too. You know, like, you do get mad at yourself. Right. So that's how I feel like I would be.

Starting point is 00:18:35 I'd be more like that. Right. Damn, that's a shitty ass trait of mine. You know what it is? You know what it is, though? It's tough for what I was experiencing. I was talking to a friend of mine who's an expert, right? With, she works with teenagers quite a bit.

Starting point is 00:18:46 And she said two things that like, I was like, oh, I guess you're right. She said number one, teenagers have this remarkable ability to know where your line is and to go cross it, right? So like, my line is way different than my parents line. Like way different. Like if one of my kids was like, hey, I wanna try, you know, pot, you know, or I wanna drink at a party. Like that would have been my parents would have lost their mind. Yeah, oh yeah. So my line is like, hey, I want to try, you know, pot, you know, or I want to drink at a party.

Starting point is 00:19:05 Like that would have been my parents would have lost their mind. Oh, yeah. So my line is like, okay, so your kids will know, and this is like, and she told me that she goes, this is actually a part of the program. It's programmed in us, right? Evolutionary. So they'll know what your line is, however far it is, and they'll go to that and pass it. So that's number one.

Starting point is 00:19:22 And then number two. So, okay, so to that point, so whatever your line is, bro, as well as to that point, the image is that as a dad is a smart strategy pretending like your line is much lower. You know what I'm saying? So like when my son does remember, pot what? How dare you? You don't say it but inside of my God, whatever.

Starting point is 00:19:36 Yeah, maybe that's the move is to pretend your line. Yeah, I was like, way above that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's funny. We're talking about this because I wasn't sure whether or not I was going to bring it up on the show because it's like, you know, people like probably have different ideas whether or not this is like socially acceptable or not. But like, I mean, I've told you guys, like, I'll let like my kids

Starting point is 00:19:56 like take a little sip of alcohol for you. Yeah. So we were in Scotland and we went to this bar because we were like waiting in between time before we had to go to this different location where this tour guide was taking us and everybody's going to the bathroom and all this there and we're ordering a scotch. One of the kids that was with us dipped her finger in her mom's scotch and then Trang was like, you know, like had that reaction. I thought it was pretty funny.

Starting point is 00:20:28 And so I brought Ethan over and to try mine. And then he, he tried to play it off like he was all like cool, cool guy. Because you know, the other girl too, and by the way, she's like a little cutie and like she's about his age. And so he's trying to, yeah. So he's trying to impress her, he's trying to impress her. Like the whole trip was pretty hilarious.

Starting point is 00:20:48 But so he takes a sip and then he's like, yeah, like pretends everything's okay. He's like, I'm like, yes, like that's the exact response I wanted. Yeah, you know, like it's that's such a taboo thing now that my grandpa like, I mean, I had to smoke a whole cigar with him to put where at sick.

Starting point is 00:21:07 Because he thought you, my mom did the same thing with cigarettes with me. He just wanted to do that. You know what? I bet it kept you away from cigars. It did. I never touched cigarettes, cigars, until way later.

Starting point is 00:21:18 You know what? The strategies in the back in the day were to traumatize the shit your kids were doing. I swear to God, dude. Everything, okay. So even like, you are, they're like, I swear to God, dude. Everything, okay, so even like, you know, like all those, what do you call them, like, fables and stuff.

Starting point is 00:21:30 It's always about like, you're gonna die. Like, all the, it's the shit of the shit out of the kids if they leave, they go into the woods, they're gonna get eaten by some witch. So I was taught, I was, I was, I was literally talking about this with a friend of mine and I said, you know what, it makes sense though,

Starting point is 00:21:44 because back then, you had six kids. You couldn't pay attention to all of them because you had to go wash clothes by hand and go like make food and like, dad is out, you know, breaking rocks. So you're like, how do I keep these kids like safe? You scared the fuck, you traumatized them. I'm scared of living hell out of them.

Starting point is 00:22:01 You just traumatized them. That was always the go to. Bro, read the stories All the Vikings the same thing They like stories about like all like that. Yeah, all of eyes where they would talk about throwing them in the crevice of a glacier hustle the Greta like the woman's fattening up the little children so she can eat them exactly That's the stories and we've actually It's a lot of time. Oh, it's terrible. You know ring around the rosy. It's about the bubonic plague

Starting point is 00:22:23 Yeah She's about the black death. Yeah. You know, I talk about kids being like, sweet. I, you just reminded me, uh, and, and Doug got to experience a little bit this up in, uh, trucky, um, you have, bro, you have to make an effort to get with Jason and his family just so you can hang out with his little daughter. Oh, great.

Starting point is 00:22:41 His, she, she, him, bro, she is so him. She is a little female. If you're talking about her, it is so funny to watch him have to like navigate it and discipline her and like keep her, and it's like the whole time, he's got these three daughters and they're all amazing. And the one though is like demands his constant attention

Starting point is 00:23:01 and constantly having to corral her and so so that. And you can see it in him like the frustration and the pride at the same time. Like frustrated that he's constantly having to do this, but also like to probably like, oh my god, she is told me. I mean, when she, I hadn't seen I haven't seen her in a long time. How does she know? Uh, would you say 10? Oh, or 12, I'm not sure. Oh, no, it's gonna good then. Oh, bro. So I walk, she walks in and I hadn't even seen her yet. And I come, and I'm still learning each of the daughters,

Starting point is 00:23:33 which ones which and everything like that, right? That we've only been around each other that much since they have all grown up. And so I come walking around, she comes out at laundry room and she like steps right in front of me. She goes, so you're at him. And I just got smaller. So you're a little bit bigger than I thought you were.

Starting point is 00:23:49 Right? And then I just kind of say hi to Dad. I walk around. And she does it again. Like later on, she cuts me off in the kitchen. She goes, we got a problem, bro? No, yes, dude. Like literally this is like my experience

Starting point is 00:24:01 of like really hanging out with her for the first time. Like this. Oh, she's, and she just cuts right into Conversations Oh, she has so she has this charisma. Oh, she's got the I mean the whole time she was hanging out with the older teenagers She oh, she would I mean Bri and Max who are you know much older than she is She wasn't even interested in the young kids or what anybody else was doing She was hanging out with the teenagers the whole time.

Starting point is 00:24:26 She God hasn't waved. Mouth and off to them and everything. Like she's like, she's so funny. That's hilarious. Yeah, the other thing that I learned about teenagers is that their brain because of the way it's structured is incapable of comprehending that they may perhaps feel completely different five years from now

Starting point is 00:24:44 or a year from now, and how they feel now, it's like they're on Adderall. Dude, and how all the confidence that our life experience yet. And then the other part of it that is, so they can't even, so for you to try and tell them, like, you know, this might be a bad decision in five years you may, whatever,

Starting point is 00:25:02 like they can't even process that. And then to make it worse However, they feel now is how they think that they've always felt so she gave me an example And I thought oh my god, it's so true. So like let's say because of their their timeline because it's their brain structure Right, and then what I mean that that though is like because there have only been on earth for 15 years and only in five of that is like this You know young adulthood version of that, which seems like, I mean, that's one third of their life. It's like a lifetime to them.

Starting point is 00:25:29 It's no, it's literally this at them, and this is the part that took me out, because I thought the same thing. It's exactly what I said. It's said, oh, it's because they've only been on earth, so she goes, no, their brain is literally structured different. They don't have the capability. She goes, so for example, when you have a kid,

Starting point is 00:25:43 and they like a food, they love it, they eat it, and then all of a sudden, you bring it out, and they're like, I don't like this. And you go, what example, when you have a kid and they like a food, they love it, they eat it. And then all of a sudden you bring it out and they're like, I don't like this. And you go, what do you mean you liked it before? No, I never liked it. If you've ever had that experience, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And you think that they're bullshit in you. You're like, get the hell out of here. It was like two days ago, you're eating the hell out of this. They literally believe that how they feel now is how they've always felt and how they're always gonna feel. So tell you how frustrating that is.

Starting point is 00:26:07 So the other thing that's frustrating is that and I know some parents are really good about teaching their kids to respect elders, but you don't as at that age, because I remember, you can't even fathom how much value there is in talking to a 50 year old when you're 50. You have zero idea of zero concepts.

Starting point is 00:26:25 You think they're stupid. Right, you think they are. You think they're old and they don't get it because, and you don't realize how much wisdom you gain in a decade. I mean, just think of ourselves where we're at it 40 something years old and 50 something years old when you go, ah, look, thinking of yourself 10 years ago, how much wisdom you gain.

Starting point is 00:26:42 So different. Yeah, so different. And so if you had that perspective as a 15 year old, you'd have a whole different attitude about every chance you got to speak to somebody who was 40, 50, 60 years old because you go like, man, as smart as I think I am right now at 15, this guy or girl has four more decades on them than me.

Starting point is 00:27:00 Like, I just want to hear what they have to say, which you don't think like that at all. I told my oldest exactly, I said, do you know what the difference is between like a kid who's maybe up to like 20 something and like when you're like late 30s and 40s, you know what the difference is? This is the big difference.

Starting point is 00:27:16 Once you hit the older ages or middle age, you know, you don't know. You now realize I don't know anything and I'm gonna know a lot more in 10 years. That's the biggest difference. But when you're that age, you think't know. You now realize I don't know anything and I'm gonna know a lot more in 10 years. That's the biggest difference. But when you're that age, you think you know. Do you think it's even harder for a kid like your son or you two who's smarter than the average kid too?

Starting point is 00:27:33 Totally. So it's like you're even more blinded right? 100% because you already perceive yourself as like, yeah, he's talking about most people, not me. I have. I'm well read, I know more than this. I can have intelligent conversations with 30 year old already. So you already Because I'm well read. I know more than this. I can have intelligent conversations

Starting point is 00:27:45 with 30 year old already. So you already. I was so full of knowledge that I thought I had all the wisdom. That's 100% that was me for the longest. So this year boy. You know when I started to realize it when I was in my late 20s and then I would train older clients and then they would start to like talk to me about certain things and I started to realize like, oh my god, like that's some serious wisdom. I didn't know that. Wow, that's incredible. So they really appreciated it. But in my early 20s, I was like, oh, here comes,

Starting point is 00:28:09 you know, Mrs. So-and-so, and she's gonna tell me the same stories. And I'm gonna work her out, you know, trying her out. I mean, too, it's a big cultural thing on top. Because there are some cultures that do a better job with that. Totally. It's like integrating people in like, old cultures. Yes. I think we do a terrible job in America. job with that in terms of integrating people in the whole culture.

Starting point is 00:28:25 Yes, I think we do a terrible job in America. But yeah, I think if we did pay homage and did look up to our elders and had them included a lot more, that's the other thing that you see a lot too in these tech companies and they're always getting rid of older people. And not keeping them around to balance this drive that all these young people have, I think they know everything. It's because we are a consumer-based, productivity-based culture,

Starting point is 00:28:55 and youth is amazing eroding wisdom. Yes, so youth is amazing for productivity, right? You can work your butt off, you can produce, you can be innovative because you tend to think differently, right, so you tend to be less set in whatever ways, you just kind of like look at things differently, and you consume, like you're not gonna sell, like try come out with a product

Starting point is 00:29:14 that you're gonna sell to 60 year olds, in or versus 16 year olds, right? Which one's gonna go viral? You know, there's a good movie that actually covers, did you guys ever see the movie with, I think it's Sandra Bullock and it's definitely Robert De Niro. Did you see that one, Doug? I didn't.

Starting point is 00:29:29 So she is like a young entrepreneur who built this multi-million dollar internet company selling clothes. And he is a retired ex CEO who's bored as wife died. He has nothing to do. And so he's like, I'll get a job for the hell of it. And he applies to be like her assistant. And of course, there's this like, oh my god, this guy's a fossil. He's older like by four times. He's like breaking down the reed. The intern. Yes. Oh, I guess he's never seen it. It's a good movie.

Starting point is 00:29:56 Oh my god. I saw a long time ago. Yeah, it's actually it's actually a really, it's a it's not Sandra Bullock. It's someone else, huh? And Hathaway. Yeah, so it's been a long time since I've seen it. But it's worth the watch. If you've never watched it, if you've never watched it, would you say? The other brunette. The truth is so better about that. Like, did you see? I never forget Robert De Niro, though.

Starting point is 00:30:18 That level of gangster movies, that's why. But yeah, if you haven't watched that movie, it's especially around this conversation that we're having. A lot of that is played out and it's a good comedy. Oh, I remember it so, and then the funny thing is too with your parents, when you're real little, they're gods, then you get older, they're idiots, then you get older and even older

Starting point is 00:30:36 and have your own kids and they're gods again. Now I look to my parents like, like, oh my God, you're so like, give me advice, like, I need to talk to you or whatever. But when I was a teenager, early 20s, like, oh, my old-fashioned parents don't know anything. Yeah. They understand.

Starting point is 00:30:49 It's so funny. It's so fun. Speaking of which, just read an interesting study. I love your guys', I guess, opinion on this, right? So a study come out showing that, and they've been already showing this. In fact, you brought up a book on this, Adam, a little while ago. So this is a new study.

Starting point is 00:31:04 They're calling it the great decline in adolescent risky behavior. And what they're finding is that adolescent risky behaviors have declined markedly in high income countries, is between 1999 and 2019. So less alcohol, less smoking, less risky sex, drugs, crime. So on those ends, adolescents seem to be doing, I don't know if you want to say better, but definitely less risky behavior. So I want to know what you guys' opinion is on this. And if it's effectively scared the show. So I, first of all, the book I reference. And if you like information, yes, I gen. and if you like information. I just write. Yes, I just. So if you like stuff like you're, and I think it's gene, Torre or something like that, something like that, is, or I think the author, if you, the whole book is just nothing but studies like this.

Starting point is 00:31:54 And I thought it was really, I can't remember the conclusion that the author came to around this, but I believe, and I don't know if I believe that because it's what I read or it's just what the conclusion I came to is that I think that it's because of how much information that a young person can gather around somebody. You could literally Google right now, you know, what are my statistics if I get married before the age of 21? And it pop up how likely you are to get divorced or how easy to for me to contract an STD if I have this many partners like you can Google that type of information and instantly be told and I just think that there is a more awareness around the dangers the pitfalls

Starting point is 00:32:37 you've bombarded them with the world's problems right like we didn't grow up with like all the political problems and like you and what's happening overseas. And everything around the world right now could be just popped up in their feed and they could stress out. So that's my... So I have a different theory. So I've been reading about this

Starting point is 00:32:57 because this is actually something that people are talking about right now. And I read some interesting articles. And again, I'd love your guys' opinion on this. So the theory that I have is that it may be a side effect of some negative things that are happening with teenagers and adolescents. In other words, kids are more lonely.

Starting point is 00:33:17 They're not meeting with each other as much. They're not getting the driver's license as young as we used to. They're not hanging out as much. They're staying at home more, parents are helicopter parents more, and the more isolated. Yeah. So, I can see that.

Starting point is 00:33:28 So, there's a good and a bad to it. So, kids are more anxious. So, at the same time as they're having this reduced risky behavior, they're coddled. They're also more depressed, more anxious, and more lonely. And the, if you look at all the studies on this one article I read, talked about like all the growth periods of as you're growing up. And one of the things that is like a hallmark of being a teenager is going out and testing boundaries.

Starting point is 00:33:52 So it's like a toddler. Taddlers do the same thing. So toddlers, boundaries are like this. Yeah. A teenager's boundaries are like this. If you go out into the world and mom's not watching you, you don't have your phone connected to them. They can't watch your location. You're not at home on your computer. You're out with your friends all the them. They can't watch your location. You're not at home on your computer, you're out with your friends all the time. Like we were, like when we went out, nobody knew what the hell we were doing. We just had to be home at a certain time.

Starting point is 00:34:11 You're going to engage in more and more of these risky behaviors, which is negative, but then the positive is, you're not as depressed, not as anxious, not as lonely. So it's this, it's like, it's almost like we think we fix one thing when in reality we cause other problems. It's kind of weird. It's interesting. I was just watching, I don't know if you guys have watched this yet, but I think it's called

Starting point is 00:34:31 like class action park and it's on HBO, but it goes over this park that's in New Jersey that was like the most dangerous like amusement park, water park that they ever made and some guy made it like everything that was like engineered was like super fast and like sketchy and they knew that there was risk that people were getting injured like left and right but they fucking loved it and they're feeding their alcohol and kids were just talking trash to each other like there is this one like tarzan swing where it's like freezing water below. And like it was really way too high. And like people would try and do all these like crazy moves

Starting point is 00:35:12 off of it. They'd flash each other, you know, like take their pants off. And like, yeah, you should watch. Is it exist still? No, no, no, no, no. I mean, again, class action park, like they had tons of losses. I think that's what the end of it. I didn't get to the end of it, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no go there and it was like, they don't get hyped about it

Starting point is 00:35:45 because like, there was that thrill that you could really get injured. Yeah, so I mean, I think everybody's right. I mean, I definitely don't think any of the things that we speculate is contributing to it is not. I think they're all contributing to it. I think the bigger question would be which is contributing to it the most, right?

Starting point is 00:36:03 I mean, to me, it's like all those things would obviously play a role in that. It's like which one is the... It could, but I think about it like the social stigma and fear around getting pregnant, for example, was really strong back in the day. Yeah, really strong back in the day. And that didn't prevent teenagers and kids from doing certain things. It was stronger than it is now. The teen mom showed it the most.

Starting point is 00:36:26 Yeah, I mean, before birth control existed, like that was a real deal. Like, oh shit, your pregnant will now get a little more. So it's not those statistics that I think that deters them. I think it's things like how less likely they are to make more money, how much more likely they are to have a divorce and have their parent. Like I think it's all those things

Starting point is 00:36:41 that they're researching and going like, less about, oh, it's risky to have a kid. But all the things that are attached to that. Because it's... What's up about teenagers? Do you think they're logical? Pro, they... It's not so much.

Starting point is 00:36:52 It's a logical thing as much as it is. I can Google it in two seconds and get a feedback on... Yeah, I still want to experience it. Like, I don't know, man, when I was a teenager, like, you could have told me how dangerous some of the shit I did was. Oh, they were. Okay, here's a deal. You're right. But I was out there. No one's gonna say that to me. But if of the shit I did was. Okay, here's a deal. You're right.

Starting point is 00:37:05 But I was out there. I never said that to me. But if I went and found the information for myself, I would come to my own conclusion, totally different at 15. So if dad tells me, don't get pregnant, or don't get a girl pregnant at 17 because this, this might happen, I'm gonna go, oh, whatever. But if I go, if I searched it on my own and it goes,

Starting point is 00:37:24 oh, these are this, and it's an outside piece of information that I'm receiving, not from my parents, I'm more likely to listen to it and maybe add here to it. That's it. I don't know. I mean, I hear what you're saying. I don't know. It's like, with human behavior, if you pull one lever, other things get affected.

Starting point is 00:37:40 It's never, oh, just do this thing and we're totally cool. So what we did is we pulled the lever of, we just made him depressed and anxious instead. We did, is we pulled the safety lever, safety home, with me watching you constantly. And then we don't realize that now that changes how they are able to develop and the side effect may be depression, anxiety, you know, fear,

Starting point is 00:38:04 that kind of shit, you know. So I don't know, man, it's really weird. It didn't like depression, anxiety, you know, fear, that kind of shit, you know? So I don't know, man, it's really weird. It didn't like drivers, people getting drivers licenses, did that go down, you're blind, right? Dude, you know that, like, sure. They talk about that too though, right? Like, and there's actually a real logical reason why that is. And again, I don't think anyone's wrong here.

Starting point is 00:38:19 I think all the things that you guys would speculate is contributing, but the ability to just Uber. I mean, we have grown adult friends that are in their 40s that don't even own cars that are millionaires because it the asset, how easy it is to use Uber and the logic, oh, I don't have to pay insurance for that. I don't have a car payment for that. It comes and gets me wherever I want.

Starting point is 00:38:39 I can still text and talk to people while it's driving. That's a big one, too. It is a big one. It's to stay at home and text and get on your computer. Right. Do you remember when we were kids, how if you wanted to hang out with your friends, but not be around them,

Starting point is 00:38:51 the only way you could do it was get on the phone. But the challenge was, if you're on the phone, mom or dad's gonna pick up the other line, wanna make a phone call, you're super limited. So you're at home bored as shit. TV isn't what it is now. TV you had like so many channels and there wasn't like wall to wall entertainment.

Starting point is 00:39:08 Do you remember having the, you had to make plans at like a park and like you'd meet up. Do you remember having the super long phone cord so you could go and remove it? Yeah, I can't go in and close the door and it's like attached to the kitchen. Totally.

Starting point is 00:39:20 Number three we calling. It wasn't party line or whatever. Mom, I wouldn't party line. That's so, that's it. I know. It wasn't party line or whatever. Mom, I want a party line. That's so nice. I know. It's pretty well stuff. Mention one of our partners right now. We have a Mention one of our partners.

Starting point is 00:39:31 Oh, well, you know, let's talk about Paleo Valley because they're the chocolate bone broth that I keep telling everybody about how it tastes. Is it flying off their shell? How it's still been alive. It's also, I'm sure. I see it like crazy. I've never had a mind-tired life.

Starting point is 00:39:43 Everybody agrees. It is literally, I don't know what they did back on but it's the first protein drink in my life ever They're actually drink I would drink because I like the taste you you added to like macadamia nut milk on my milk or whatever Oh my god Well, it's so good their beef says keep kept me going man He kept me surviving when I was traveling though. That's such a convenient thing. Cause like dude, all you got is carbs. Like carbs, carbs, carbs for like just something to pick up and grab, you know, like you never know.

Starting point is 00:40:10 I didn't know what kind of like meal situation I was gonna have. So I just packed a shit. Oh did you really? Yeah, my suitcase full of those things. That's become a staple now for Max. I told you guys that's been one of the challenges is getting him like a protein source at school because they don't have a microwave. And so it's like, all right. So like, we do just kind of chop up the chop up the beef jerky is getting him like a protein source at school because they don't have a microwave.

Starting point is 00:40:25 So it's like, so like, we do just kind of chop up the chop up the beef jerky and give it to him in a little sandwich. Which one does he, with flavor? I hope he whatever I have. I mean, I'm in love with opinions. Yeah, no, I won't give him the whole pin, although he will. So Max will have whole opinions.

Starting point is 00:40:37 Really? Yeah, he will. So, and Katrina, I was like, you know what, let him try. I mean, he'll find out if he doesn't like or not. I'll have like whole opinion of chips, which are really got a kick to him. And he'll see me, you know, he'll come over and he'll have a cool, but you know what, let him try. I mean, he'll find out if he doesn't like or not. I'll have like, hallopino chips, which are really gotta kick to him. And he'll see me, and he'll come over, and he'll have a cool, but you know what? He self-regulates, so I know it's like a little spicy food,

Starting point is 00:40:51 but he hasn't, like, it hasn't given him the chance. It hasn't like freaked out or cried or what that. So I figured that's the way to keep it really is for meeting what I'm eating. So if it's so, so, so, so, it's a little too bad for him.

Starting point is 00:41:03 No, so I'm too spicy. Sure. Like, we'm too spicy. Sure. Like, we get pistachios, right? And we get two bags, one's original, and these are all sheld, and the other ones like chili, whatever flavor. So I'll pull out the chili flavor ones. He's like, bubba, can I have one? I'm like, it's spicy.

Starting point is 00:41:15 And then I'll kind of put one on his tongue. And that's it. Now any time I say something spicy, that's such a dad hack here to learn, like, what the kids won't eat. You know, I start like really buying that in bulk. That's hilarious. Yeah, anyway.

Starting point is 00:41:28 So do you guys hear that NASA? I think I want to pull it up. I believe in 2020 is going to be launching a asteroid hunting. Yeah, 2028, an asteroid hunting spacecraft is going to launch in 2028. Asteroid hunting? Yes.

Starting point is 00:41:43 So I mean, what is it you can go and find and then shoot them and blow them? No, just identify them. Oh, okay. So, so here's the challenge. Asteroids that come within 30 million miles of earth. What does a title do? Asteroid hunter.

Starting point is 00:41:54 Yeah. That's an actual show. Wait, hold on, I think that's an actual cool jacket. I think that's a cool jacket. Yeah, like you got a mullet. Cool patches on it. Like blades.

Starting point is 00:42:03 Yeah. So, asteroids that come within 30 million miles of Earth are called near Earth objects. And if one of them is wider than 460 feet and they hit the planet, it could flatten the city. And if they get within a certain distance, they've calculated that none of our current technology would be able to deflect it with enough time. So if it gets even within a certain, you know,

Starting point is 00:42:25 it's far, we could blast it with our technology, it's still gonna probably hit Earth. So what they're trying to do is identify as many as possible within that range so that if something does come in with that range. What we got to do is assemble a team of the world's best drillers. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:42:42 We've come up into space. I think there's a movie about this. We all get on the company here best drillers. I'm gonna show you them up in the space. I think there's a movie about this. Y'all get on the, cut the meteor and the drill. You know, I watched this video that kind of broke down like the theories that people comment theories for like stopping asteroids. And they said, yeah, you got a huge asteroid

Starting point is 00:42:59 headed for Earth. And if it's within a certain distance and you're like, oh, let's go blow it up with a new. Well, now you've just turned one rock into a good rock. I don't know. It's just like a shot. I'm like, death.

Starting point is 00:43:11 Good job. All right, everybody. We're totally effed. Yeah. Do you guys think that NASA would tell us if there was no? No. Do you think the government would tell us if they knew inevitably we're effed?

Starting point is 00:43:23 No, I do not. I do not. I do not. Because you know, why did we wait till like, you know, an hour before, or something? Why? I don't even know they would. I think they would be more concerned about the chaos and the deaths from the chaos that would potentially happen if we knew that was happening.

Starting point is 00:43:38 I don't think we would get warmed. I really don't. Do you think we'd get a alarm scene, a bunch of like, uh, spaceships just taking off left and right, you know, and they're not telling me. I mean, I guess the biggest question would be, would it leak out? Because I don't think they would come out and announce it,

Starting point is 00:43:52 but maybe they had family members. You have somebody who's working in that, in that department, right? And you're sure shit, not gonna not tell your family, right? You're like, they're like, okay, just top secret, don't say anything. You're over there texting your wife, right?

Starting point is 00:44:03 I'm like, get the kids back to the bags. I think it depends on the estimation, because if they're like, okay, it's gonna take out a city and we have two weeks, then maybe they'll tell everybody, but they're like, okay, well, the Western hemisphere of earth is as rude. They're what we're gonna do, and I guess anything. Yeah, I don't know, yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:20 That would suck. You think those really deep bunkers that are over and like Wyoming and stuff that all those millionaires have? You think that would be pretty good? Oh, the nuke protector. Yeah, I think suck. That would suck. You think those really deep bunkers that are over and like Wyoming and stuff that all those millionaires have? You think that would be protected? Oh, the Nuke protector. Yeah, I think they would sort of, I'm not even listening to me, your slams right on them. Well, yeah, not if they hit a direct hit,

Starting point is 00:44:32 but you know, there's, or the meteor could hit Yellowstone set off the Supervolcano. Damn, I'm really, that's always the potential. So I thought about this one, I was on Isling, it was like, all active volcanoes, like everywhere. The whole place, they could just go anytime. And they were just so chill. Was it like that?

Starting point is 00:44:47 Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. But that stupid show on Netflix with the, what was it called with a book? Yeah, I couldn't finish it. With the, it was in New Zealand. Terrifying. What do you know?

Starting point is 00:44:58 It was a volcano. Oh, the blue. And the green was washing it up. That was a true story. Yes. Steam just burned the hell out of it. You got video, like there's video. I was like, it's nervous about that. Oh, it was watching it. That was a true story. Yes, steam just burned the hell out of it. You got video, like there's video. I was like, it's nervous about that.

Starting point is 00:45:07 Oh, it was terrible. And the story like, like we, they're grabbing onto each other and their skin's like ripping just flesh off. It's terrible. All right, let's change topics real quick. We got to bring up the chair bender. I showed you guys her video.

Starting point is 00:45:18 That was a great video. Bro, I don't, it's old video apparently. I guess it was, it was happened in September, but for some reason it's going viral right now. It's old video apparently. Yes, it was, it happened in September, but for some reason it's going viral right now. It's made the news and of course everyone's talking about us who's getting millions of views. She's just gone. Bro, on Twitter, there were like,

Starting point is 00:45:33 never challenge a white girl that works to a fight that works at the Waffle House. Yeah, that's a tough lady. That's a tough, bad bitch right there. Bro, she was, when she grabbed that chick and she's like, you know, right, cross, upper cover And then the they call it the chairbender because she got chairs thrown and she literally deflected them like she was like, man, you was hilarious. Looked like, like, we're out of a Kung Fu movie. Her interview

Starting point is 00:45:54 afterwards. So she did a video explaining, I tried to watch it. It was long. I couldn't get all the way through it. It was like she talked on that on there for it. She's as you would imagine like, like that's what you would imagine. She would say like, hit her vape pin. Well like that's what you would imagine she would sound like. Hit her vape pin while she's talking. Tell her story. I know. Speaking of which, there's this page that I follow.

Starting point is 00:46:12 I'm not gonna give a machado, because I don't think it's, I have someone else to shout out. But anyway, they show all these like fight challenges where people off the streets walk into martial art schools or boxing gyms, and challenge the streamer's bones. You got to be the dumbest person on earth. Apparently that happens every now and then.

Starting point is 00:46:33 Or you're looking to get beat up, you know? It's so dumb. Why would you even, there was this, I saw one this morning where it's this dude challenge, off the street challenge day, like a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a like a Keele Kishin black belt and karate, to a fight. And I mean, after the first kick, you're like, oh, this is not gonna go good. And you did like this flashy spin kick

Starting point is 00:46:54 and knocked the guy completely out. Like why did I do that? It was like a video game combo. He put together and then like finished him with this roundhouse to the face. He had not to completely shift gears, but I'm going to anyways, because I actually wanted to ask you,

Starting point is 00:47:07 you would send a text over, I think it was last night, or maybe it was even this morning about layoffs again. I hadn't read that yet. Who is it? Maybe pull that up, Amazon? It's Amazon. Yeah, Amazon is.

Starting point is 00:47:19 They already had a big wave already. Did Amazon and Salesforce, right? Yeah. Oh Salesforce too, huh? I think that was it. Amazon and Salesforce was in the text. You saw the Facebook with the and Salesforce, right? Yeah, oh Salesforce too, huh? I think that was it. Amazon and Salesforce was in the text. You saw the Facebook with the big fines, right? Start off the 400 million.

Starting point is 00:47:31 400 million. European Union. Because now what was it about? Because they were using some privacy fines. They were doing based off of people's time using, what was the amount of time they were scrolling. And so they pinpointed, went to like Target and with ads. Yeah, Amazon will lay off more than 18,000 workers.

Starting point is 00:47:53 Wow. 18,000. At what percentage, it doesn't matter what percentage, it's a lot of workers. That's a lot. There's a lot in Amazon though. And Salesforce is cutting 10% of the workforce. So this is like, you know,

Starting point is 00:48:05 we're starting to see the beginning. Yeah, it is. It's very beginning. It's just going to get worse. No, everybody, everybody, I mean, about six months ago, there was denial from, I don't know, say 50% of the economists that we were heading into a nasty recession. Now, it's a hundred percent. I mean, most people that, you know, it's inevitable. We will technically, we were already in one. Technically, but we've changed that definition. So you think they'll change,

Starting point is 00:48:33 you go back to Webster, you know, you're right, a definition. Oh, those just changed the name. We understand. This is a slow growth phase. Oh, wow. God, they have 1.4 million. How weird would that be?

Starting point is 00:48:43 Just think about it for some. Imagine how bad we think we are already with being able to spend time with all of our employees. Like we openly admit that we need to be better about that. We're not good at it. And we have 1.4 million. Yeah, we have like 20 employees. 1.4, you'll never meet half a boss.

Starting point is 00:49:01 No, impossible. Ever. It's so crazy to think that. You know what's stuck about that that is imagine running a company like that and then finding out that a huge segment of your hate you or something. Well, or just was treated like shit or something happened. Yeah. And you're like, you weren't even aware. But you know, it's on you, right? Because you're on the company. But you had no idea.

Starting point is 00:49:19 Did any of you, you, you, that, did any of you listen to that interview? I saw Joe Rogan posting about who was like a guy who goes in there and like looks at the conditions of like a lot of these. Oh, no, I didn't. What was it? I didn't want you to know the name of me. Oh, you guys maybe pull up his Instagram because he posted it saying that like the conditions of what?

Starting point is 00:49:35 Like, like he was, he was this guy, like this is what he does. He goes in and investigates big companies like Amazon about the work conditions, the pay, all those things like that. And you know, Joe posted about it maybe a week ago, saying that it was like one of the more enlightening conversations he's ever had. So I just thought, I mean, you guys are bigger Joe Rokin, listeners than I am.

Starting point is 00:49:54 I thought for sure you would have listened to it already. Yeah, I was listening to one. It was on my list to actually ask you about because I thought, oh, just no one of listening. I'll probably listen to it now. Oh, there's his name right there. It was Siddharth Kaura. Is that it, Doug? Oh oh I don't know that's

Starting point is 00:50:07 Andrew and there thank you so d'Arthcara was the guy you know what episode does it say episode number on there you know nineteen fourteen now I do is this the same guy he's at nineteen fourteen we passed Joe yeah we passed Joe

Starting point is 00:50:19 oh wow we that's listeners past it's hard to get past I wish we could pass his income. Yeah. I would be. We got, yeah, five more thousand episodes to do.

Starting point is 00:50:30 To be as good as he was five years ago. Is this the same guy that was talking about the lithium mines? That's a different guy. Okay. Did you see that one? I saw clips. I didn't see the whole thing. So he was talking about how these companies are like,

Starting point is 00:50:44 oh yeah, we don't have any humans mining the stuff. This is all done by machines. And he went in there with a camera. Oh, same guy I think. It is called cobalt red. That's it, cobalt, how the blood of the Congo powers our lives. That's the one. So it is the same guy.

Starting point is 00:50:57 It is, that's the energy. It's cobalt, that's what it was, not lithium. So he went in and with a hidden camera, it took pictures. And this is like, and they're not supposed to be using humans from the one where it's like just littered with people just digging. Yes. Oh my god. And I can see that.

Starting point is 00:51:11 This is what's actually happening. That's fucked up. That is fucked. Yeah, I mean, I thought for sure you guys listen to it. So I'll have to go listen to it then I'll check it out. I mean, I've, you know, being completely honest. I don't think I've ever listened to an entire Joe Rogan episode. It's all that's three hours.

Starting point is 00:51:24 That's why. Isn't that crazy? They're long. They are. But I mean, I obviously continue it on the drive back. Is that what you do? Yeah. Yeah. I just see you come here and then go back and then you're almost done. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Did you guys see, boy, it's just terrible. I mean, I guess it's good marketing for Tesla, but it's a terrible situation. Did you guys hear what happened with that guy that tried to kill himself and his family in the Tesla?

Starting point is 00:51:46 That was here. Was it? That was by Justin. No. You didn't hear it? Yes. I didn't know the location. No way.

Starting point is 00:51:54 Yes. That was a crazy story though. Right, wasn't it over here, Andrew? I don't know. Yeah, Gio was talking about it yesterday at work. Here I pull it in. And he said it was started out as like it was on 17, I think. Pasadena. Oh, Pasadena. Oh, I about it yesterday at work. He or I pull it in. And he started out as like, it was on 17 I think. Pasadena.

Starting point is 00:52:06 Oh, Pasadena. Oh, I thought it was there. So he took trip off this, right? He's got, he's in his car with his wife, the doctor. Him his wife in two kids. He drives the Tesla off a 250 foot cliff. And lives. Everybody survived.

Starting point is 00:52:21 Everybody survived. And now he's amazing. And now he's being charged, right? Of course. Wow. All of these survived. Yes. So that's being charged right of course wow Yes, so that's why it's like bad, you know, I guess it's just I mean Well, they try it wasn't it initially the news came out and then it was like like trying to use that as like kind of blasting Tesla and like making them look bad and why would a blast Tesla? Why no? They survived now that they survive. I don't think we should. Yeah, our cars are so safe.

Starting point is 00:52:46 Well, I, yeah, there's a special place in California like that, dude. I think that's just a, that's awful. Terrible. Did you guys see the, the new law that just got passed in Tennessee? What is this remind me of this? Oh, did you see this about, okay, so if you're a drunk driver,

Starting point is 00:53:01 it's right. If a drunk driver kills somebody and that person is a parent, you are now liable for child support. Oh, I agree with that. I know. I thought that was like, what a cool law. I mean, shitty situation,

Starting point is 00:53:15 but I mean, what a way to, I mean, because you don't know whatever, I mean, I never thought it might have to take away, you know, from family. Now the only problem with that is you're gonna, how, what uses it? Because you're gonna go to jail, you're gonna earn shit. So how would you be able to,

Starting point is 00:53:33 you will when you get out, I guess. Unless it gets you have money, maybe if you already have money, then they, Well, how long do you normally go to, how long does someone actually go to jail though? I think it's considered murder. If you're intoxicated and you crash into someone and you kill them. So I think you go for a little while.

Starting point is 00:53:49 Look that up, Doug, because I bet you something like that, because I think they still get away with it being. It's not intentional. So I don't know the levels of, you know, first, second degree or even water. Like I don't know like how was man, and then you know that whatever they get sentence, they could easily get out in 50 then you know that whatever they get sentenced, they could easily get out in 50, you know, 50% less time

Starting point is 00:54:08 if they're on good behavior and you so that. So I bet you they're not in there as long as you think they are. Well, something that's, you know, quote unquote, acts a death the first time. Yes, it might be a few years, like 10 years. Or maybe for one of my friends that happened to, so 10 years. Okay, so California is four, six for 10 years.

Starting point is 00:54:24 Okay, so 10 at the most and you could be killed in multiple trials. So you can end up happened to, so. Okay, so California is four, six, or 10 years. Okay, so 10 at the most, and you could. Because you killed multiple people. So you could end up serving five, bro. So you're back making money within five years. Yeah, but now you're in jail, you're a felon. You come out, the kid is already now older, maybe an adult, so do you still pay it? Like, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:54:37 I wonder how useful, it would be useful if you already had money, I guess. If you already had money and then they could take some and give it to the kid. I mean, yeah, obviously it would be more useful, but I mean, I still think it's a good log. So do I. Yeah, I mean, I think it's just one more thing

Starting point is 00:54:51 that's gonna deter you from doing so. Totally agree with it. All right, so we're supposed to mention element T. I wanna say this, this is to moms out there who are breastfeeding, very valuable for breastfeeding moms, very valuable. Remember when they recommended it to us when Jessica was breastfeeding Aralius

Starting point is 00:55:11 to improve increased her milk production and made a big difference. And now she's using it a bit with all of it. It made a huge difference for us too. Yeah, I was like Katrina, I remember when she first started doing it, she was like, oh my gosh, she could feel, she could feel the difference instantly by increasing it.

Starting point is 00:55:24 But I mean, it's a significant amount that you're bumping up. So if you're at all deprived in that area, and I know that's the sodium, the sodium helps you retain more water so that you now can produce more. Which is at the same thing. Hydrates, you've been. So the old, the old, like, hacks is like, I've, like, even like beer, like the wheat and beer is supposed to help help that. Yeah, I think that there's, there's they make these,

Starting point is 00:55:45 well, like lactating crackers or something like they call them, I don't forget what they're called. Yeah, there's products, there's compounds for it. I think they call it galactagogs. Uh, but I mean, okay, so my question, my question, Sal, my question, my question, Sal, is, is it the same thing that's in those that really,

Starting point is 00:56:01 that are getting the same benefits that, no. Oh, it's different. Yeah, so, um, the multiple different. Yeah, so multiple factors. Yeah, so if you talk to like a lactation specialist, they'll say, if you're not producing enough milk, step one, two, and three is to drink more water. That by far will make the biggest difference. Then, then you can look at things like galactic hogs,

Starting point is 00:56:18 which are compounds that can increase milk production, and they make those like. Is that real or is that a star one? It's a star one. I or is that a starwatch character? Transformers. I think it's a starwatch character. I know it sounds like a lot of other things. You can look at words that just to test that.

Starting point is 00:56:30 No, galactic gog. The vendors of the universe. I see. We, what movie was that? Was it The Troopers? The Super Troopers were they like insert the word? They care the meal? Like the cat when he's like, we should do stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:56:42 Chicken par. No, it's real. Watch. It is a galactic hog substance that increases milk supply. There it is. Oh, look at you. I remember the most random. It's so funny because I have the perfect memory

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Starting point is 00:58:47 Just, I don't know why I'm like fanboying right now. This is pretty awesome to be talking to you guys. So thank you for having me on. Just a real quick background. It's in the military for about seven years. I've been working out off and on for about 10 years, but probably the last two years have been kind of serious. I found you guys in about June of last year and started to really take control of my life because of you guys. So I thank you guys for that. But straight into my question.

Starting point is 00:59:28 So I'm someone who I'm 5'11, I'm about 2'45 right now. And I decided because of you guys to reverse diet all the way up to like 4'2400. And shit, that was going to hard to be honest. I did that for like four months. And I actually saw great results. I got hell of strong. I was doing power lift at the time. But my main question kind of focuses on the cutting aspect. So in the last phase of power lift, I was about three weeks into a cut. And this was the last phase, as people know, or if you don't know, you kind of go for your max is almost 90% at least. And I was way stronger than I anticipated when I was doing it.

Starting point is 01:00:29 I had never benched 315 in my life and boom, I did it. Hit about 520 on deadlift and about 425 on squat. So I was hell of strong. But my question mainly is around the whole cutting and the strength part. Because in the past, I've cut before, I didn't cut correctly before. I was definitely a person who went kind of extreme before. And I would feel like complete shit. I was super weak and I honestly didn't know what I was doing back then. But yeah, this time around, it was crazy. I still felt like the effects of the cut, like as far as like, oh man, I'm feeling kind of like hungry and feeling a little sluggish, but when I was in the gym, I was like, I felt like a fucking beast.

Starting point is 01:01:26 And I just kind of, just more curious to anything as to why. That's a world. We're gonna have to clip this for a commercial because I mean, this is a perfect example of when you do it right. I mean, you actually got to see strength gains even in a cut, which is incredible. But that's just a testament of you putting the work in of doing it right, getting your

Starting point is 01:01:49 calories up to a very healthy place for building some really good muscle. And that just goes to show, I mean, had you stayed in a bulk, you probably would have PR'd even harder. That's what I was going to say. You hit PRs in spite of the cut because of the reverse diet leading up to it. And good programming. And very good programming. Good workout programming makes it tremendous. I mean, you could go on a bulk and have bad workout programming get weak, you know. So this is not uncommon when things are done right. Plus the cut you were in was only three weeks. So with good workout programming and you had a good reverse diet, I mean, you're

Starting point is 01:02:25 still going to see strength gains many times in a cut, especially in the beginning stages of a cut. Now, if you were on a cut for 12 weeks or longer, then I wouldn't, I would suspect that you wouldn't see strength gains. But to add to this point, how do you stay in the bulk? You would hit more or higher numbers than you did in the cut. So the fact that you hit those numbers in a cut, it just goes, it's a testament to the workout programming really. It's in the fact that you did a reverse dieting. I mean, that you did in the cut. So the fact that you hit those numbers in a cut, it's just goes, it's a testament to the workout programming. Really, it's in the fact that you did a... And the reverse dieting. I mean, you did a great job.

Starting point is 01:02:50 I mean, I think that's the takeaway here is like, fuck yeah, bro, like this is what you wanna see. Oh, yeah. This is a great, and then I mean, I would run the cut for a while, and then I go back to kind of a mini bulk, and it depending on what your goals are. So if you're more strength focused, I would run a smaller cut, get back in the bulk,

Starting point is 01:03:08 and then keep pushing the strength. If you wanna lean out right now, that's more of a focus. Then I'd cut for a while, interrupt it with us a little mini bulk, and then go back to the cut. But I mean, what you're feeling and where you're at right now

Starting point is 01:03:20 is a testament of training properly and eating properly. And that's awesome, dude. And that's it's awesome, dude. I mean, it's a great place to be. Totally. Oh, not. I appreciate it, guys. Like, I mean, truly, I know I said, thank you in the beginning, but like, I was, I was one of those guys who was, uh, who was always afraid of the scale going up and, uh, like, basically, I was just afraid of being fat. If I'm just being straightforward. And because of you guys, I decided to like take a chance per se or whatever and just start

Starting point is 01:03:53 increasing my calories. And yeah, not only the difference in the gym, but just the, my role as a husband and everything. Like, I felt like I was just more present and everything feeding myself and actually doing it all right So I really attest like a lot of that to you guys and I couldn't be more appreciative so yeah, you guys are awesome It's great now you're in a cut and you're probably eating something close to 3000 calories, which is which is amazing. Yeah Yeah, I'm currently because of you guys also. I'm I'm in like This week I'm like in a mini like a mini bulk mini main maintenance stage, I guess because Yeah, I've been in it for like about probably five four or five weeks, and I thought like oh Well, this is kind of this is kind of sucking a little bit. I know it's all they didn't know it's three thousand

Starting point is 01:04:44 Which is still kind of nice, but it's still kind of sucked and I wanted to eat more So I said yeah, I'm just gonna take this one week off to kind of Eat a little bit more and kind of throw my body a little curveball to Keep it going to then jump back into it, but I love that. Yeah, you guys are Appreciate it guys. You're doing it the right way trusting the process and you're gonna get to you're gonna get to your goals You're gonna feel good while you're doing it. So yeah, Mark. I'm gonna have I'm gonna have Doug. You're not in our private forum. Are you? So to be honest, I have I have slaved away a lot of money at you guys already I have

Starting point is 01:05:29 I'm in the forum. I have probably five or six programs Well, I don't you know, if you guys do like hand me something or I'll be grateful, but truly I just wanted to like just get Gains of knowledge and just just talk to you guys. So I'm all in there. I'm like a big fanboy. Larva, pick a program you don't have. Yeah, man. I want to say something. Let's go. Don't you have something to you? I mean, it's so funny.

Starting point is 01:05:51 You guys always talk about like anabolic and like soon, like less volume will eventually be better depending on where you are. So that's the only one I don't have. I think is anabolic. Well, we'll send it right over to you. Well, send it over there. I appreciate it, guys. And make sure you keep us posted in the forum, right? and don't have any thing as anabolic. Wow. Well, we'll send it right over to you. We'll send it over there and get in. And make sure you keep us posted in the forum, right?

Starting point is 01:06:08 We were in there on a regular basis. So tag us and keep us posted on your journey, because I love hearing stuff like this. It's so awesome to hear where you're at and you're doing a great man. Appreciate it, guys. You guys are awesome. Thank you so much, you man.

Starting point is 01:06:20 I mean, that's what happens. When I go to the right, you know? Trust in the process. I've had that happen where I've gone into a cut in the first couple of weeks, I still hit some PRs. After about five, six weeks, obviously, it doesn't tend to happen.

Starting point is 01:06:32 But that's when I know, like, oh, this is everything I'm doing, everything right. Well, really feeding his body, you know, for that time. And leading up to it. And leading up to it, that had to make it better. Yeah, it's an example of when somebody, even with some experience is off on their programming and is off on their nutrition.

Starting point is 01:06:48 And then you align both of them at the same time and you get to see something awesome like that. It's like, he said it right away. In the past, I cut way too hard. He was starving his body in the past. I don't know exactly what it's programming, but we're gonna assume it wasn't as dialed as probably the maps programming is.

Starting point is 01:07:04 And so programming off a tiny bit, also starving yourself nutritionally and some of that, you feed yourself properly, get in some solid programming, and guess what, even in a cut, when you should be seeing a decline in strength, you still saw a strength increase, which is awesome, man. Our next caller is Aaron from California. Aaron, what's happening? How come we help you? Hey guys, how's it going today?

Starting point is 01:07:23 Good, good man. Good. I just wanted to say, you know you know as always I appreciate all the information you guys put out there and I'm about a month behind On the podcast right now on Spotify and so literally just yesterday Sell you announced you announced your baby daughter. So congratulations on that. That's amazing Oh, you still haven't given caught up to Justin sex change then have you? Yeah, that's the whole process not quite not quite looking forward to that one. Yeah, that's coming up. Just happens. So yeah, my main question here is, you know, everybody has a super busy schedule. I would cut that 530 in the morning to work out and

Starting point is 01:08:01 From you know, kind of the minute I wake up until I get home at you know 5 kind of the minute I wake up until I get home at, you know, 5.30 and then make dinner and hang out with the wife and the daughter and everything. I, you know, I'm busy from 5.30 to 8.50 at night. And so my main question for you is with only about 45 minutes or so to work out in the morning, I hear you guys always only about 45 minutes or so to work out in the morning. I hear you guys always talk about sleep and in priming. And so I'm wondering if I should kind of wake up a little earlier and and try to prime before my workout. If that would be more beneficial for me or if the sleep that I'm getting, you know,

Starting point is 01:08:42 is kind of more beneficial for me at that point as well. I have two alternatives for you, two solution. One, if it's either or, and that's it, that's the only, like the options we have, sleep is more important. Yeah, sleep can be more important. That being said, you can actually get some of the benefits of priming the day before. So you could actually, that night, when you put your kids down or whatever, do 10 to 15 minutes of mobility priming, and you'll still get some benefits to your ability to connect to muscles. There's also another alternative. And I honestly would actually put

Starting point is 01:09:14 this back on you as a client. I'd ask you, I said, well, Aaron, what's more important to you right now? So if you came to me and you were complaining about joint pain a lot and my low back is bothering me and a lot of things that I know are crippling you are your lack of mobility and addressing priming and addressing mobility exercises. And I'm hearing that from you. I'm gonna throw you on a program like Map 15 and I'm gonna add 20 to 30 minutes of programming

Starting point is 01:09:41 of mobility work in there instead. But if you've come to me and you're like, out of my full pretty good, but I know you guys talk about the benefits of priming and I want to get the benefits of that. I might go, well, if you're not noticing anything that's hindering you and you're getting great workouts, I would prioritize sleep and I'm not going to be so worried about you missing some of your priming sessions. So it really depends on how you feel at that time.

Starting point is 01:10:04 And that doesn't mean that you can't weave in and out of it. So let's say, because I have this, I have weeks where I do feel, oh, low back is tight and my shoulders are bothering me and I just really haven't been addressing mobility. That's where I might transition to kind of a Maps 15 routine but I end to 20, 30 minutes of mobility work because I know my body needs it.

Starting point is 01:10:21 It's talking to me. And there might be other times where I've been squatting deep, I've got good mobility, I don't feel stiff, I feel good, and so I'm priming and doing mobility work less, and I'm focused more on driving strength. And so even though we create these programs with this rigidity of like, oh, follow it to a T, here's where the flexibility of kind of having all of them

Starting point is 01:10:41 and how I would mold and change them based off my client and their feedback. What? Yes, just go ahead. So it's definitely the latter of the two that you just kind of laid out there. I have pretty good mobility as it is I don't really have much pain when I'm when I'm lifting on a daily basis. I just kind of thought that I Never really focus on that. I never focus on mobility and honestly, like just being so busy throughout the days and the weeks, it's tough. I followed anabolic and performance, and it's just tough to get those trigger days, those mobility days in, you know,

Starting point is 01:11:15 basically every day. So I just never really have done that. So yeah, I just wanted to kind of add it in and see what benefits I could get on kind of the strength level there because that's really really my focus. I do really want to get stronger. Yeah, this is where I would like to recommend Map Symmetry in terms of like how it like specifically addresses any kind of underlying issue in terms of mobility. It really strengthens a lot of support around the joints, just naturally going through this unilateral training and also it has kind of built-in workouts where you're doing isometrics and you're doing

Starting point is 01:11:51 types of mobility that you're gonna be able to go through that entire program, get to the end to where we do like a five by five and see what kind of result that produces at the end. So I love that. And by the way, what you just gave me as feedback would also change how I recommend too. So I love that. And by the way, what you just gave me as feedback would also change how I recommend too.

Starting point is 01:12:07 So because you said that it's something you've never really focused on, I might as you're, if I was your trainer go, hey, let's actually scale back to Maps15 and put a lot of emphasis on mobility. So since I'm limited with time, right? So you're telling me I've got this much time to work with in the morning,

Starting point is 01:12:21 I might scale your weight training back and I might increase the amount of mobility just so I could show you how you might feel if you were actually consistent with it for say, you know, three or four weeks. And then hear back from you like, Hey, what do you notice? Because what you may notice is you scale back on the weight training, increase the mobility and you got stronger and you feel better and you go, Oh, shit, bro, I didn't know I was missing.

Starting point is 01:12:43 Or maybe you don't. Maybe you feel a little bit better mobility white. Maybe you feel a little bit better, but you don't feel much stronger and you liked training more than you liked the mobility side. But because you told me that I've never really been consistent with it, I actually as your coach or trainer might go, I want to make you do that for a while. Or I might make you do what Justin said,

Starting point is 01:13:01 which take you through a program, which it's programmed in there. So I can then show you the benefits of, hey, if you actually incorporated this a little more, even though you think you're fine or you don't really need it that much, look at how much it's benefiting you and let you see the difference.

Starting point is 01:13:14 And so, yeah, there's nothing wrong with experimenting, just to see, you know, how your body reacts and how you feel. Yeah, honestly, both of what you guys said kind of makes sense there, and I'll take that advice for sure, but You know add them to your point The 15 minutes of working on I've been an athlete on my life The 15 minutes of working out and then it's been in the rest of the time on mobility

Starting point is 01:13:33 And I always hear you guys talk about it with with you know people on that It's just a it's tough to do you know, it's a tough mindset to get yourself into to only you know lift heavy lift mindset to get yourself into to only, you know, lift heavy, lift, you know, the way to improve the difference in knowledge. Which by the way, which by the way, and I know you've probably heard me say, it's normally what we need to do, you know, the stuff that we are most resistant to or we tend not to want to do, tends to be the things that our body needs the most. And so for that reason, you know, if I was coaching you, I would at least make you go through a small

Starting point is 01:14:05 period of time to just see because I could be completely off. I could make you do that and you come back and you go like, Adam, three weeks won't hurt. Right. Yeah, Adam, I don't like it because that matters too, right? Even if you felt a little bit better, but you don't like it and you hate it and you're not going to stick with it, I also wouldn't force you as a coach. But I would go, hey, give me three weeks, man. Give me three weeks of like doing what I'm telling you to do, even though you kinda don't like it,

Starting point is 01:14:28 and then give me the feedback on your strength, on your energy, how you feel, all those things, and if you see all positive benefits, then you're probably gonna sell yourself on the idea of doing more of it. If you're kinda like, I don't really care, I don't really know a specific difference, I miss my hard hour training session.

Starting point is 01:14:44 I'm not gonna force you to do that. I'm going to say, hey, man, your consistency is more important to me than me telling you, you need to do a little bit more ability. But I would at least want you to experiment with you and at least get you to go towards that thing that you're probably resistant to just to see if you're missing something you don't realize you're missing. Cool. I can totally give that a shot.

Starting point is 01:15:06 And just in what you had said about symmetry, that I really like that as well, because I've worked out for a long time now and I have done squats and dead lifts and all the main lifts there. And after starting your as program with you're doing an antibiotic in performance, I have already with just those programs noticed

Starting point is 01:15:25 kind of surrounding muscles and supporting muscles getting stronger. And I used to hurt my shoulder a lot and it's been relatively solid recently since doing those workouts. So here in that you're saying that symmetry is even more so that is very intriguing now. I think I'll definitely try both of them. I'll give you a month's shot in the 15 minute workouts, and then I'll have the symmetry after that. Well, we'll send symmetry over to you. So you got that.

Starting point is 01:15:48 So Doug will see you on it. Awesome. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right, Aaron. Keep it up, man. All right, guys, take it easy. No problem. Yeah, usually the either or questions have another option, right?

Starting point is 01:15:59 It doesn't always, I didn't have to be either or, but if it's either or the answer, I would say it would be sleep for most people. Yeah. But in his particular case, I would say it would be sleep for most people. Yeah. But in his particular case, I mean, we had lots of different opportunities for him to try and see, because what's it going to hurt? Three weeks of testing out, training less, doing more mobility. Worst case scenario, you come out of him and go, yeah, it wasn't worth it for me.

Starting point is 01:16:18 But I think it would be. I think he would do it and he'd be like, well, I love questions like this because it allows us to keep asking more and like find what the root of it is. Right, and my answer would started to change as I heard more information from him and realized like, oh, okay, so you have this athletic background, you love to get after it, you only have a small window,

Starting point is 01:16:38 you hear us talk about the benefits of mobility, but then you realize you're gonna have to sacrifice some of that hard training. Probably feels like it's a waste of time. Yeah. You know, that's definitely a psychological bearer. Totally. Totally.

Starting point is 01:16:49 And, you know, again, I would only make him do that for a short, a short enough period of time that he, I'm not forcing him to be consistent with it for a long time, that we can at least measure how you feel from it. And if I, if I can't sell you on it in that three to four weeks on how it's improving your life and improving your performance, then fine. Then go back to how you're doing because at the end of the day,

Starting point is 01:17:13 the consistency is, you consistently training, the way you've been training is better than you inconsistently training the way I want you to train just because I think you need more mobility in your life. So, but I at least would want to show you that because more often than not, someone does that and they go, oh my God, I'm doing less lifting. And I'm evaluating.

Starting point is 01:17:30 Yeah, I see more results and I feel better in my squats better, my deadliest better and I'm stronger and then they go like, oh shit, that's what I was missing. And so I'd at least want him to experiment with that. Next caller is Micah from Indiana. What up Micah? How's it going?

Starting point is 01:17:44 Hey guys, how you doing? Good, amazing. All right, good to hear. So I'll go ahead and give you a little bit of backstory here and give you some context. So last year, I did a whole lot of just split training before I found the show. And then I heard you guys talking about full body training. And so you sold me on that idea. And I went ahead and got anabolic.

Starting point is 01:18:05 Eight weeks in, I absolutely love it. I started doing the muscle pump and that's not too much of a problem because I've done like 15 reps before, but what I found was the 30 second rest breaks were absolutely killing me. I've come from doing one minute to all the way up to three minute rest breaks, just talking to people, more powerlifting style stuff. So for me, like 30 seconds just doesn't feel like I can fully recover before the next set.

Starting point is 01:18:36 So what I'm wondering is, should I just really focus on dropping the weight way below what I'm used to doing or is it worth doubling the rest periods to kind of focus on adding more weight. Oh, first option. Yeah. Reduce the intensity and go lighter. Use the weight. Yeah, because the point of that phase is strength, stamina is the pump. You're gonna have to go way lighter than you could. You could also incorporate cardio to help you with this too. A lot of times this happens when I fall off and I haven't been training consistently any sort of cardio at all, and then I go to short rest periods and I'm like, gas.

Starting point is 01:19:15 That's because I have no cardio endurance at all. You could one, lighten the load up and stick with it and then allow your body to adapt and get good at it. It will. It'll eventually catch up. Or you could start to introduce some days or some bouts of cardio, like hit training in there and watch how that benefits your sets. You'll see that you'll get better at those sets just because you've started to incorporate

Starting point is 01:19:39 some. That's the drawback of never doing any cardio. And this is also why we're not anti cardio. I mean, here's an example of where I would recommend somebody add some cardio in there if you don't want to have to reduce weight. I can totally relate to this, too, by the way. Like, this is one of those where I started working with Adam actually, and like, who's taking me through some of these

Starting point is 01:19:56 like hypertrophy style workouts with like cut in the rest periods. And it was an ego check because, you know, I just want to lift heavy weights and to reduce it down, I had to go pretty substantially lower than I thought I could do within that rep range and then breaking that up with a shorter rest period. It is one of those transitional things. You'll get better at it the more you practice it, but if you haven't been incorporating that style of training, the whole intent is based around that, so stick with that. Yeah, when I do face like a phase three style like this, the first week is terrible. It's by the end of the second week, I start to feel like I'm getting it a little bit, but just

Starting point is 01:20:33 to give an example, let's say at the end of phase two, I'm doing sets of squats for 10 reps with 315. And then I go into phase three where I'm doing sets of 15 and there's 30 second rest. I'm down to like 155, like half, like half the weight that I normally would. And the first set doesn't feel that hard. The second set, oh my gosh, this is getting really hard by the third set, I'm like, oh crap, like this I think I'm going to pass out. So that's what you got to consider that when you do your sets. That I got to be able to do this the third time as well.

Starting point is 01:21:05 Cause the first set will feel kinda easy with the amount of weight that you should be using that's appropriate for this style of training. So you gotta go much lighter than you are now. Otherwise you're gonna find that you just can't get through it. Okay, awesome. And since I'm not used to that style of training, would you suggest maybe doing more like four or five weeks

Starting point is 01:21:24 instead of just the three weeks of the phase three? I can't. It's not bad. It's not a bad decision at all. You can. I never do because I hate it. I like it. To that point though, I like that.

Starting point is 01:21:34 I mean, I like that attitude of recognizing that man, I'm like really bad at this. I haven't done this. I don't do this enough. Yeah. Therefore, I'm going to make myself stick stick in this week or two longer than it's asking me to, so I do get good at it. I like that. That's a good adamant.

Starting point is 01:21:48 First is what most people do, which is I'm gonna spend an extra week or two in the shit that I'm good at, and that they do a lot of, which get less benefits from where you get more benefits from sticking in the stuff that you don't like and that you're not good at. So I love that attitude, and I would totally agree with that. But it's gnarly, It's a gnarly feeling. It's what it's the, it's the, I'd rather lift the weight that I feel like it's gonna crush me. Then do you reps where I feel like I'm gonna pass out, you know, it's just,

Starting point is 01:22:12 it's a, it's a, sure, yeah, it's sock. It's hard to see me. Well, good deal, man. Do you have any other questions? Not just just one of the sides to appreciate all the stuff that you guys talk about, especially, you know, the kind that you guys talk about especially you know the Kind of bringing awareness to the mental health and spiritual aspects of working out and how that all bridges together That's something that I think a lot of people should talk about more. So it's really awesome. Excellent. I appreciate that. Let me send you a program. Do you have mass performance? Yeah, I performance and aesthetic. Oh, yeah, so you have the RGB bundle. All right, then we'll send you a map symmetry I think that'll be the next one that you can get some value from Okay, yeah sure. Thanks. No problem. I got thanks for calling in

Starting point is 01:22:51 Yep, see you guys The the switch from high-wrapped low-rest period to heavy weight and low and a long-rest period. I love that Yeah, the switch from heavy long-respiried. I love that. The switch from heavy weights, long-respiried to short-respiried and high-wraps, socks. Well, you know what that is, because we're so brutal. Well, none of us are endurance guys. None of us are, you know, if you were an endurance guy and a cardio guy, it would be the opposite. Don't love that. Yeah. You love that because it's, that's, by the way, I love the kid's attitude. I love the idea that he recognizes, he sucks at it. Because of that, things he should stay in there another week or two, which is the opposite

Starting point is 01:23:28 of what the average person would do. The average person would be like, fuck this. I'm out of this. Oh, I did the three weeks amount. Yeah, get me back to the stuff I really like or cutting it short, going like, oh, they only do two weeks of it, then they move back to what they love to do, which is a very common habit

Starting point is 01:23:41 of people that train themselves. And his attitude, he'll get more benefits, more in practice is the better he'll get. Absolutely. Totally. Our next caller is Sebastian from Nova Scotia. Sebastian, what's happening, man?

Starting point is 01:23:54 How can we help you? I'm not trying to help you guys. You're good. What a cute baby. Yes. I tried to make her happy, sitting down, but she lost to be part of this. So I'm not wrong. All right. I tried to make her happy sitting down, but she wants to be part of this.

Starting point is 01:24:13 Yeah, first of all, I want to say congrats to you, Sal, on Delilah. She's absolutely beautiful. I've been following you guys for quite some time and really appreciate what you do. So thank you for that. And the last time I was asking you a question, you guys hooked me up with Maps 15, and I've been doing the advanced program. And I'm here to ask some questions about it. So in Phase Two, I noticed there's no shoulder exercises. And that's kind of one of the parts of my body that I like to stay consistent on because I don't know I guess I'm self conscious but I want to grow my shoulders so

Starting point is 01:24:55 I just like to do a bit of a focus on it. So there's something I could add into phase two to keep my shoulders kind of stimulated or I know there you have the reverse flies or whatever in there. So is that enough? So it is, it is if you consider the first phase and the third phase. So. And also that you're doing compound lifts like rows and things. I was just going to say, so map 15 is not a, although you're working out body parts, right? You are training body parts. Not a body sculptor. It's not a body part program.

Starting point is 01:25:29 It's a movement program. So without getting too deep in the weeds here, you can generally, this is very general, okay? It's a very, very general breakdown I'm going to give you, but you can generally look at workout programs, strength training workout programs as either body part focused or movement focused. So to give you kind of two extreme examples, power lifting routine, movement focus. Okay. Body building routine, body part focused.

Starting point is 01:25:55 Both of them have value. Both of them have a lot of value. Now when we're considering writing a program where you're only going to work out 20 minutes a day, you're going to get much more value focusing on movements than you are going to be focusing on just body parts. Otherwise, what it would look like, a 20 minute a day, or 15 minute a day, body part focus workout would look like

Starting point is 01:26:17 a single body part a day for like two exercises. So it would be this really weird body part split routine. You wouldn't get enough volume or frequency. It just wouldn't give you much for the time being spent in the gym or in your garage or whatever. But Maths 15, we knew, okay, we got limited amount of time. We need to maximize the person's results. And in that context, movement focused is more valuable.

Starting point is 01:26:40 The focusing on movements is gonna give you better results. So in phase two, you do do the rear flies, but you are doing horizontal presses, like bench presses, whatever. And then phase one and phase three incorporates more, if you wanna look at it from a body part perspective, shoulder direct shoulder work. But as you go through the program, you'll see,

Starting point is 01:26:59 I mean, it just, it does train the whole body is what you're focusing on. Now, that being said, okay, here, this is also where there's room for modification and adding to or taking away from some of our programs. So to South's point, if we were to, if we had only 20 minutes, this is how we would comprise these exercises.

Starting point is 01:27:20 This gives everybody the biggest bang for their buck. For overall body sculpting, overall strength building. It's a good time to get back the muscle. So like, and if I only had that much time, I would follow it to a T. Now, let's say you have days where you can be in there for 30 minutes or you have a little 10 minute window,

Starting point is 01:27:38 some other time in the day, like, and you really, you have an area like your shoulders that you wanna put extra energy towards. That's how I would do it. I'd say, hey, when you really, you have an area like your shoulders that you wanna put extra energy towards. That's how I would do it. I'd say, hey, when you got an extra five to 10 minutes later on the day, go get some shoulder presses or some lateral raises. Or if you got, that day instead of only 20 minutes,

Starting point is 01:27:56 you got 30 to 40 minutes, add some shoulder presses into the workout. Because you have something very specific that you want to focus on while doing this, I would incorporate them like that. But if you only had 15 to 20 minutes, I would follow the program as laid out because I think it's the biggest bang for the buck.

Starting point is 01:28:15 But that doesn't mean that I couldn't find ways to modify it for somebody who has a very specific goal like yourself. Sebastian, we lost a camera there for a second. Yeah, my video just died on me. We'll start back up, but I'm still here. Okay. So you heard everything, yeah?

Starting point is 01:28:30 Yeah, I got you. Okay, so does that make sense? I mean, so you can totally modify that, how you feel best as far as adding some more shoulder work in there, if you feel like they're not getting enough tension. And by the way, this is something for me too. So like shoulders and area I like to focus on. I notice when my shoulders are developed,

Starting point is 01:28:47 it just makes my entire upper body look better to me and because I tend to be aesthetic driven, I care about that. So even when I run through our Maps 20 protocol, I might add more shoulder stuff into it. But that also extends the program sometimes longer than 20 minutes. And the goal for us was keeping it down to that 15 to 20 minutes.

Starting point is 01:29:07 Therefore, certain things we would have to sacrifice. And a basic lateral raise is going to get sacrificed when I only have a certain amount of time with a client. Okay. So you do have a dumbbell presses there on two of the days. So if I substituted overhead presses instead of the bench. Yeah, you're fine. Down the all bench press. That's cool. Totally fine. Do I'm standing?

Starting point is 01:29:33 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And then other questions with that, there are only three week phases. Would there be a benefit to extending those phases? Because I really like the program. Like I work shift work and I have four kids. So it's just awesome being able to duck out

Starting point is 01:29:50 into the garage 20 minutes bang out of work and back to the middle. Just cycle through it. You cycle through it. Phase one, phase two, phase three, back to phase one. Or add a week into one. Or add a week. Either one's fine.

Starting point is 01:30:01 You could add a week into there. You just want to be care. So I mean, most of the research is what? three to six weeks is where the optimal time is we lean towards the three just so you're constantly kind of changing and moving through that. If you let if you did four or five, I think you would be fine. So you could extend you could extend the phases or do it. Salisad, which is Sal said, which is run through it and then just run through it again. You'd be okay. Yeah, either one. Okay, and it is, I'd like to do maps for performance. That's, I bought it. I'm kind of, would like to do it.

Starting point is 01:30:33 Is there any way to do that, being a shift worker and not having, like what I do is one week, I work two days and then the other work, the other week I work for five days. So is there other work, the other week, I work four or five days. So is there a way to do one week, do like the functional workouts and then next week focus on mobility and just alternate like that without work?

Starting point is 01:30:55 Yeah, I mean, you can do, I'll recommend it. You could definitely, and this is when, you know, individual lifestyle and variance makes a big difference. You could definitely work out more when you can and work out less when you can. There's nothing wrong with that, especially if you have some experience training your body and you know how to do that

Starting point is 01:31:12 without really compromising the programming. So you could definitely do that. Mm-hmm. All right, that'll make sense. All right, I think that's all the questions I had for you guys. I'm glad you're enjoying maps 15 though. A lot of people don't realize.

Starting point is 01:31:26 Oh, man, absolutely. Like I was worried about it because I was going from, you know, working out three times a week, our workouts, and I'm going to that. It's daily, but the wife's happy with it. She doesn't mind me ducking out for 15, 20 minutes to the garage. So it's just still convenient and the results are really good as well. Like I feel like I'm kind of doing a bulk right now and I feel like I'm filling out my shirts a little better. Yeah, absolutely. Love it. So thank you so much. It works. Awesome. Awesome.

Starting point is 01:31:54 Thank you for calling in. Thank you. You got it. Yeah. I mean, that's how we all felt when we did, when we were experimenting with the program, like I didn't expect to make strength gains. You just felt like it was a pure sacrifice, but when you start getting into it, it's actually one of those things that blows your mind, like more energy and a lot of times you get those results that you weren't getting. It does.

Starting point is 01:32:16 And again, you know, and this is important for people to understand, when you're doing a movement focused workout, the focus of the workout is on the movement, not necessarily feeling the body parts and the muscles and squeeze and pump and all that stuff, versus body part focused workouts, where you're not really necessarily concerned

Starting point is 01:32:34 with the movement aside from good form, you're trying to feel the target muscles, both have value, they both have value. Beneficial, you know, you're gonna run a cycle of both. I'm glad we got this question, because I'm sure there's people that have purchased the program that were probably wondering the same question, and it's just like, listen,

Starting point is 01:32:51 if someone came to me and said, hey, Adam, I have a bodybuilding competition next, or in a few months, what programs should I run? I would, regardless of their time, I wouldn't say math 15 is the ideal program for them. But if someone said, I only have 15 to 20 minutes, how do I get the biggest bang for my buck? That's the program. And you're not going to see certain exercises in there because they take up time and don't give us as much return as other ones. And so we had

Starting point is 01:33:14 to make that that decision as we are programming like, hey, sure, I would selfishly because I like shoulder work, love to throw this in here. But then I'm I'm missing out on a row. Oh, man, we got to put a row in right there. Or oh, hey, we should I, love to throw this in here, but then I'm missing out on a row. Oh, man, we gotta put a row in, right there. Or, oh, hey, I would love to do these because I love these exercises, a hamstring curl, but oh my god, then we sacrifice a barbell, back squat, of course, not, we're not, you know what I'm saying? So those decisions have to be made,

Starting point is 01:33:36 you're gonna have to sacrifice certain movements if we're limited to time, and that was written to give you the biggest bang for your buck in the shortest amount of time. Totally, look, if you like mine pump, head over to minPumpFree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you

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