Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1993: The Truth About Training & Eating for Your Body Type, the Nutritional Value of Whole Milk Vs. Non-Fat Milk, Training With a Coach Vs. Following a Program & More

Episode Date: January 20, 2023

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burning body fat, improving athletic performance. If you have poor gut health, yeah, poor gut health will get in the way of almost any physical pursuit. So if you have digestive issues, heartburn, chronic constipation, diarrhea, just don't feel good in your gut. You sneeze a lot.

You sneeze. Maybe, you're all signs. It does control it. It is the seat of the immune system. But yeah, a poor gut means you have a poorer absorption of nutrients. It means you have a poor absorption of nutrients. It means you have systemic inflammation. You have a chronic low level stress signal

being set throughout the body. Hormones are gonna be thrown off. Production of cataclysmines will be off. Serotonin will be off. I mean, you can pretty much forget about whatever physical goal you have if your gut is off. So, that's gotta be ignored. The signs, I mean, this is just part of it, right? Like, most people will just like blaze through the day, Whatever physical goal you have if you're gut is off. So don't get ignored the signs

I mean this is just part of it right like most people will just like blaze through the day like oh, yeah You know, I didn't wake up so well this morning. I had diarrhea, but you know I'm just gonna power through yeah, you know This is finally made its way into the bodybuilding community even yeah, it was like ignored for I mean at least so we when we talked about it We were like groundbreakers in the space. Oh, yeah. Nobody's in nobody. And even it's still not, I mean, I still think that it's, I don't, what would you say, like the percentage of fitness talking heads, like how, how prevalent do you think it is? Half, you think we've,

we've asked them to threshold of more than half a people. I would say half speaking to it as an important factor. I would say half. We're speaking to it as an important factor. I would say half. I don't know if they prioritize it, but I saw, it wasn't that long ago. Like when we started the podcast and we talked about gut health, nobody, nobody, and the fitness space was talking about it.

And people. Wellness people. Yeah, some of the wellness people were talking about. Now if I go back even further, when I owned my wellness studio, I was very, I mean, in hindsight, I was very blessed because I always had, you know, my market in mind. And I realized that in order to better serve my market, there was value in different modalities. So at the very least, I was at least aware enough of that.

Now personally, I knew none of this other stuff. I was a fitness guy, I knew exercise, macros, calories, that was it. But I knew there was value and other things. So I actually had somebody who did gut health testing, who worked with people's gut health in my facility, and I thought it was like whatever. But because I worked with this person on a daily basis, and I saw people's results, and I would overhear conversations because it was a small facility, I just learned a lot, and I started to realizing its value.

And this was like 15 years ago, 20 years ago, when she was talking about the stuff, and people thought it was crazy, and it's out there, and what are you doing? And then I would see the benefits, and then of course I had my own gut health issues, which really solidified its value. But yeah, nobody was talking about it,

just seven, eight years ago, not really. But now everybody's starting to talk about it because it's a big deal. And again, if you're trying to build muscle or burn body fat, you could kiss that goodbye if this is off. This is off. Forget about it. Is there, do we have studies like to show like comparisons to, you know, somebody who is on a diet to lose body fat and they have a healthy gut,

and then they test it for, let's say, 12 weeks or whatever, and they show somebody who's got a compromised gut, and then they're trying to do it, how dramatic of a difference their results could be. We don't have stuff like that yet. We don't exactly have those, but we have some pretty interesting studies where we take a gut microbiome from one animal and put it in another, and that animal will get leaner. Having they done studies of that where they've encapsulated

poop basically and then taking somebody else's bacteria. That's a person though, a rat, right? These are all rats. No, there's human studies too. Oh, there is human studies. Yeah, there's some human studies that'll show changes in mood, changes in body composition, hormones. Is that why it still hasn't been fully adopted, you think, because a lot of the research has been done in animal studies, and so we haven't been... No, the gut is so complex. Well, that's...

That. Like, for us to figure out what the right fingerprint is for you in the moment, let alone on an ongoing basis, like, there's a lot of people like the universe and alien argument. It's, yeah, dude, there's so much, so, so complex, we have no idea. We know, we have an idea of, like, some microbes have beneficial effects, and we stick to those in most probiotics. We know, for example, that there's bifiddo and lactobacillus strains of bacteria that seem to have beneficial effects in people.

But we don't know what the fingerprint looks like. I mean, the best we could do is look at your poop, but that doesn't even tell us a whole story. Story story. That kind of tells us the bacteria that died, not what's alive now. We also don't know the interaction of each of those bacteria is with each other and there's so many of them and so much going on and then fungus that's in your system and then your body's own physiology and all that stuff. I think we will in the future though. You know, it's weird. So there's treatment facilities overseas.

They don't do this here because it's real risky. But people will go and do some of these fecal transplants in other countries or they'll get parasites on purpose because it cures their autoimmune issues. Rebuilds a stomach lining that relationship between, yeah, so if that leaky gut syndrome I've heard that they go in that direction.

It's weird. It's really weird and there's a lot of potential there. So we'll see what happened. But like on the probiotic front, for example, here's what's weird. Dead beneficial probiotics seem to have some benefit. So you could take a probiotic and the bacteria is dead and you'll still get some benefit, which is weird.

Just their presence of these dead bacteria. Now you're not gonna get as much of a benefit as if the bacteria were alive, and you're not going to get as much of a benefit when the bacteria doesn't survive the digestive tract and gets deposited in the parts of the body you wanted to. So, the delivery system really makes a difference. Huge, just provide an experience.

So, okay, this is probably a terrible question. I'm going to troll for this. Is seed dead or live bacteria that we get? Seed is alive. Oh, it is alive. For all intents and purposes. And it can stay alive in the capsule like that in the bottle. You don't need to refrigerate it, you don't need to do anything.

No, it's like they're hibernating. And then the capsule itself was designed to release the bacteria where you are supposed to release some survives some of that digestive. So remember, remember with seed, they have like a gut simulator. Artificial metabolism simulator. Yeah, it'll show how long it takes.

So I knew that about it, but I couldn't remember if it was live or dead bacteria. Now, is that common with most probiotics? Usually you'd have to get a refrigerated probiotic for that to happen. Okay. But even dead, again, even dead probiotics have some benefit. So a lot of people will take a probiotic

and see benefit regardless. But if you get a really good probiotic, it's weird. It's dead and you can still get it. Yeah. In some cases, do we understand why? No. Huh.

Like the presence of the bacteria does something to the immune system and your body reacts in a particular way. Now the presence of live bacteria Obviously changes the microbiome or offsets the over development of other certain bacteria And then maybe they produce their own you know what's going on Do they survive long enough to stay it's not like you repopulate your gut necessarily either? That's why you take probiotics on a regular basis because then they eventually die and then you got to put them back in there. It's so complex, it's very weird. It's a really a science that's interesting.

Plus you don't know. And bacteria have their own cravings and that's what's so weird. It's like you feel like, how much of my brain am I consciously driving versus bacteria? You have more bacteria cells in you than human cells. Yeah. And to think that they're having evolved to influence your behaviors to promote their own survivability.

Right. It's silly. So it's a populate. You with beneficial bacteria seems to me. Like, that should be a big emphasis. Well, I think just try it and see for yourself. Like, I've used, I don't know, at least a hundred different probiotic brands because because I have,

and seed is the first one that I notice consistent good results from, and I don't get these, eventually with a probiotic, I'll take it, sometimes get good results, and then I'll get bad results. And I think because there's like an overgrowth that happens or something, I'm not quite sure. Seed is the first one that I could just take

all the time and always have good benefits from. Now, I'm not, you're consistent. You're really good about every day taking it. I've trained myself to be good about doing it when I know I'm going to eat something that is going to offend my gut, right? I know that if I don't take anything, I have issues afterwards. So I've at least trained myself that, okay, if I'm going to go eat this take anything like it's, I have issues afterwards. And so I've at least trained myself that, okay, if I'm going to go eat this, knowing that it's not ideal, and I can see a significant difference in how I feel afterwards. Now, do you, I mean, Justin, are you like Sal, or you take it religiously, or are you

inconsistent? How are you with it? Yeah, I'm more like a, I guess, reactive with it. It's a proactive with it. Kind of like you're saying, where I'll notice things are off and then I'm like, oh, now I got to go through a protocol again and really be diligent with like taking the probiotic and helping my gut kind of get back on track. So it's usually like, reacts.

I would like to say I was like, you know, super consistent with it, but, you know, that's usually I take. Yeah, I know. Being honest with the audience. You guys aren't big supplementing. No, I'm terrible with all. It doesn't matter if it's create. It doesn't matter if it's the most.

I know it would benefit me more if I was. I mean, is that a fact sound? Like, I mean, would Justin and I be in a way better position if we were just really consistent about the way? Yeah, because you have a cute anti-inflammatory effects, which is probably what you guys are noticing. When you take it, when you have a meal, that's bad. It also could probably prevent, you know, whatever bacterial overgrowth from happening

in that moment or within the next few days. But if you did on a consistent basis, you'd be set up better than you would if you just did it on a semi-regular basis or occasional basis. But you guys just aren't supplement takers. Yeah, I noticed that if I want you guys to take something regularly to test,

I have to be the one to control, like I have to be the one to give it to you guys, which is what I'll do. I'll come in. I don't know what that is. I grew up in my parents, like has those like pill trays and they're just always putting stuff down.

That to me was so an appealing thing. Well, I actually want to avoid that at all costs. I mean, I think, I'm not sure, but I think we're more normal. You are. I don't think most people are as regiment as you. The only other person I know that's as consistent as I am with supplements is Doug.

Yeah. I don't know anybody else like that. Doug like measures them out, plans them to the whole thing. My uncle would be the other person. I don't know anybody else like that. Doug measures them out, plans them to the whole thing. My uncle would be the other person. I don't know anybody else that's like that. I'm on the other end of that. I'm not into homeopathic stuff, you know. That's all I was just like, I'm excessive though.

I get, I experiment. I like taking things for the hell of it. I like to take 15 different things at one time. So I have my own dysfunction. I mean, I mean, I love that you are like that. It's nice to have somebody that's a close friend who you also trust is knowledgeable that does things with that. It's nice to have somebody that's a close friend who you also trust is knowledgeable that does things with that.

It reminds me of like Ben Greenfield. I mean, I feel like you and Ben are some of my favorite people to talk to because I know how healthy of a person you are. I know how much you, and I know how much you prioritize the big rocks first. And so I'm always curious about your opinion on, you know, now I tease you about like, you're like,

the guy who's like, as soon as you take it, I feel something, I notice something. I notice something. Like, bro, come on, calm down, dude. So I know I tease you, but I genuinely am interested to hear what you have to say about it because you're not just some random dude. But hey, up until now, if I've said,

you guys gotta try this, I'd say it probably nine at a 10 times, you guys notice. Yeah, we'll try it. There's like a one at a 10 times or you guys might not try this. I'd say it probably nine out of 10 times. You guys know it's right. There's like a one out of 10 times where you guys might not like it or it doesn't feel right, but nine out of 10 times you guys will, that's why this whole like peptide world now that I've been introduced to is a good and a bad thing.

It's a good thing because it's fascinating. I can learn about it, I can talk about it. It's like endless reading now I'm doing with it. It's just so big and crazy. Bad because now I have this like connection to an endless supply of different types of peptides. So that's why you guys need to kind of watch me make sure to go live it. List options. Yeah. I'm going to crazy with all this stuff. Dude, I have to tell you guys this about my son. So it was really funny. So this last week or so Katrina Katrina and I battle a cold,

seems like maybe he's starting to battle a little bit. And Katrina's like, man, she's like, I forget, our son is so good that when he's even slightly off, I get this parent like, oh my god, what do I do? She's just like, he's so consistently good, and then when he's off, even the slightest bit, it's like, what is wrong with you kid? But he is and she said it, we were just talking. She's like, I said, hey, I was Max doing today.

She's like, God, he is just so moody. Oh, no, no. And what it looks like. We get that from him. Yeah, well, you know, what it made me laugh about it, because I know that's the joke around here with me is just like, I wonder, did I, did I have these type of stuff? I have to ask my mom if, if she would describe me the same way.

And what it looks like. So yesterday, I go to work. Yeah, what is the three-year-old who's booty looking? Okay, no, I'll tell you what it looks like, right? So, I, I, yesterday I went to work and I drove the truck, Katrina drove the truck the day before. And so I had a lot of maxes stuff in the back seat And when I took off I didn't even realize it. He's on he's going through this phase right now Where so he has this like giant T-Rex?

He's got a stuffed animals Stakeosaurus and then he's got a you know mr. Grinch That's like and they're like kind of bigger like for him. They're like life size right like his size and That's like and they're like kind of bigger like for him. They're like life size right to like his size and He they're his friends and he brings them, you know when he plays with his monster trucks He brings him he puts them in a circle. That's great. Yeah, he's a new phase. He just started doing this It's funny. Breakfast. He he puts all three of them in their stools and then he sits in the four stool and he Yeah, I talked to him. How does he like it? Yeah, so he interacts with them. You like you as you tell him what to do So it's kind of funny to watch, right?

And that's like, you're gonna show him what to do. You're gonna show him what to do. So Katrina remembers me sharing that with her about like some old footage of me, like, come on, friends, like organizing the neighborhood kids and stuff, so she's like, I think it's so cute because I remember when we first started dating, you showed me that video of you when you were like,

so he's doing that too. Yeah, that's cute. So it's kind of cool. Well anyways, I didn't even notice it until I got to work. You know, T-Rex was in my back seat, and so was Mr. Grinch, and they were in the back seat,

and I took him to work. And she's like, you know, he came out, and he was just like, you could see he was just so pissed that his things were, and he just gets an attitude in short about every little thing. And like everything begins to irritate him for the day. And she goes, and so she had told me that before I came home. So I knew I walked in the door with T. Rex and Mr. Grinch. Yeah. And I started playing the characters like they wanted to come to work with me. That's why they came. And when he saw me walk the door and I started playing the characters, like they wanted to come to work with me, that's why they came. And when he saw me walk through the door

and I was holding him, the look on his face was just this like, you could tell, he looked like he was wanting to cry and he was so angry and irritated with me. And so I started playing the characters and everything like that. And you could see he wanted to be really pissed about it, but because I was playing into it,

he kind of like let it go, didn't say anything, wasn't happy, you know, asked him to ask me to put him over next to him, and he was eating. And he had these, those, I think they're called Asian pairs, whatever that I love and so does Max, and I saw that he had some of them. And I was like, oh, I want one of those. And he just looks at me, then he looks at his mom,

he looks back at me, and he just like starts, he gets that, you know, that famous Michael Jordan meme of him crying. And he just looks at me then he looks at his mom he looks back at me and he just like starts to get that That you know that famous Michael Jordan meme of him crying. Yeah He made that face you know, look at me just and that's not like him normally. He's like okay daddy He shares and he's all the last straw. Oh, yeah, it was just started crying and I'm like oh my god, dude calm Fuck down I won't take I won't take one of your Fuji apples or whatever Asian pairs, whatever.

So yeah, he's got this funny thing when if he's at all off, right? Didn't get a good sleep or he's a little sick, just everything, Bob, he's like everything is like he's on edge on everything, but he's not like screaming, yelling, he's not doing that to the mood. Yeah, he's just in a bad mood.

I think I told you, yeah, like the other day, like what I'd noticed about Everett, and it's the same lines with that in terms of like knowing yourself really well, and like Courtney's having a hard time with Everett, it was in a bad mood. You know, I was like, yeah, trying to talk to him too, and he was like snappy and blah, blah, blah, and like, you don't want to do anything.

We keep suggesting all these things. You want to do this bud,. And he was like snappy and blah, blah, blah. And like, he didn't want to do anything. We keep suggesting all these things. You won't do this, bud. You won't maybe like, you know, play with your, your play-dose sand thing and, you know, whatever. Like, be constructive. We didn't have power. And he's like, you know, pissed off. Cause like, he can't like interact with his friends.

And I was like, do you want to wrestle? And he's just like, mm-hmm. You want to wrestle, dude. And he's just like, mm-hmm. You want to wrestle, dude. And he's just like, mm-hmm. Yeah, I got enough. Just was beating on him. And he's like, yeah. You know, like, you just wanted to get beat up.

And so I like, I, you know, his birthday's coming up. So I'm like, we got to get him a punching bag, dude. Like, this, this is energy. He needs to express that energy and get it out. Like this is just one of those things. I had to deal with it. I needed that. I got an idea for you.

Huh. They sell grappling dummies. Have you seen these? Oh, the ones that you pick up and you slam. You can slam them. Yes. They have like joints so you can like twist their arms. You can choke an idea.

Yeah. Get him a frickin grappling gun. Yeah, that's funny. Like, what is it about, you guys are the same, I don't know if you are the same way with this. What is it about dads that you like, when you see that, you know that, I guess even when I see myself, there's a part of me that wants to poke it.

Poke it and fuck with it. You know what, cause it's a chance. Yeah, because it's getting mad at me. Yeah. You know, cause I, I just know like, he's, you want to test them a little. He's in one of those moods, I just, I saw I mess with it a lot.

I'm like he's he was like sitting down and he was watching. Um, what was the, oh, that I think it was Mr. Grinch, Dr. Sous thing, whatever. And it was like one of the theme songs. And so I started singing it. You know, no, no. And then I'd stop and then I'd search singing you. No, call the fuck down, guy.

Relax, you know? Good you do, like, stop fucking with him. You know he's in a mood, like, so, I just think it's so funny, because he's never liked that with him. Well, because, too, his friends are gonna do that, too. Right. They're gonna tease him. Is that what it is?

Is it, is it, is it, like, is this not like a guy like really actively thought about, like, I'm gonna fuck with my son. It's just, it's just, it's like nature. It's also prepping him a little bit. Yeah, well, it's also cute. I mean, I'm sure you wouldn't do it past the certain time. No, right, I don't, I don't like, when he, I push him right to that point

where I can tell you what's to cry, I'm like, okay, I'll go back off. Yeah, just back off a little bit. It's cute, that's, I might, today I dropped my, speaking of music, I dropped my daughter. Whenever I drop her off at school, but like, as soon as you start pulling up, she like reaches up, turns the radio way down.

Come on. I'm embarrassed that you're using that dude. It didn't matter what I'm playing. She has to turn it down. So when she opens the door, what do you think I do? Prrr, turn it over, hold on. Roll the windows up. See you later, honey.

Oh, death metal. I put death metal on. Yeah. I'm gonna ride by, drive off. Now what, okay, what is it? What is everybody's kids? I kind of know a breeze, because I've heard some of her music.

I probably relate, probably to some of hers. What is, what are the kids, all your kids listen to? My older kids. Am I in line with you? Are they totally different? No, they're actually quite in line. My kids are pretty in line.

So when they wash dishes, they'll usually put music on. So long as the baby's not sleeping. And it's usually rock or alternative. And it's from all, by the way, this is something that I noticed too with this current generation. When we were younger,

because our music was filtered through radio stations, we either liked, we liked a genre because we listened to the rap station or the rock station or whatever. We didn't get a whole wide variety and then to listen to like different era of music, unless your parents listen to it, you really didn't have any way of hearing music

from different eras. Well, because of YouTube and technology, kids today are so, their scope of music is so wide. So my kids are constantly bringing me music that's from the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, and it's alternative. It's hip hop, it's rock, and it's not weird.

When I was a kid, you either rock or pepper. It's one of my favorite features of Spotify. If you listen, if you find something on Spotify that you really like, they have all the other artists that they recommend, and they, I mean, it's... And it doesn't matter what error, or what? Yeah, it doesn't matter what error. I know. Yeah, so it's cool. Yeah, so it's interesting, because Ethan and Everett

are different. Ethan's been through phases of like kind of strange. He'll like rock, but then he likes some weird techno, like video game music stuff. And then he just doesn't even care. It doesn't, like, it doesn't interest him really. He's like into other things. And whereas, you know, Everett's a lot more musically

inclined and he'll, he loves, because I've definitely influenced him a lot with like a lot of stuff. So it's like classic rock or it's grunge or it's all that stuff and you start to sing it now in the shower, which is hilarious. You know, we'll catch him like singing a popular song. Yeah. So he like told me the other day too. He's like, my top three, it's like, uh, Led Zeppelin's Black Dog and then he really likes, um, uh, like Led Zeppelin's Black Dog, and then he really likes, I think it was a royal blood song. And then, these are good choices.

Yeah, dude, it was really good. But then the third one sucked. It was called, Hot Night Joe. I was like, ha ha ha ha ha ha the knee, but cap, blah, blah. Yeah. Plus 10 points. Plus 10 points.

Mine is 50 points, son. Exactly. How dare you? No, they have such a wide breadth and scope of music. My kids have shown me musical the time. Dad, have you heard this before? I'm like, writers of the storm. It's the doors.

Oh, it's the doors. Yeah, you never heard that before? Or you'll play a song that'll hear in a commercial or something like that. Oh, people make one of those videos when montage videos. That's a montage video song. Like this is a great song, it's all YouTube-based for the younger generation.

That's pretty wild. Now it's cool to see that these traits in your kid. My oldest, he started displaying certain traits for me because he's not exactly like him, but there's a lot of traits that were similar. When, I don't remember what grade he was in, fourth grade. He might have been in fourth grade, he was young, and we did a parent teacher conference,

and the teacher's like, yeah, he's doing a great job, and everything's good, but can you, there's one thing I'd like to you to talk to your son about. I'm like, well, what is it? She goes, well, he tries to correct me in front of the class. Ah, boys at you. Hey, and I'm sitting there like, you sweat? Yeah, sweat started to beat, you know?

I'm like, where do I wear that from? Hey, so here's the best part, right? He just is. Here's the best part. So I'm like, well, what happened to that? Was he right? Of course he got to his definition. Yeah, he was right.

He was right. I was, well, he was right. Come on. I was sweating a little bit and I said, well, what exactly happened? And she explained it to me. She's like, well, I made this mistake and you know, whatever.

And he was correcting me in front of me. I'm like, so you were wrong and he helped me. He, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he was a problem. He didn't like it. Yeah, he didn't. Yeah.

It was in front of the whole class. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. That's funny. I know. They are, they're a lot like you too. And they're dark since a humor, dude.

Oh, I can't even repeat. Oh God. I love it, though. I mean, I think that's so, I mean, that's gotta be so neat because you obviously didn't train that. It's not like you're doing dark jokes like that. No, not to my kids. Yeah.

And at that young of an age, so to see that, you know, like manifest itself on them as a teenager or whatever I'd that, you gotta be like, here. I'll tell you one of the jokes. And you can edit the sound bug if it's too much or be. Well, listen, if you preface it with they have a dark sense of humor. No, no, this is the one I think I can share

because other ones I want to do. But my daughter comes up to me and she goes, why should you, if an orphan invites you to their house for a party, why should you go? And I said, why is that, because a parent's are home. All right. That's a problem.

That's a nice, that's that terrible joke. I mean, pile on. Yeah, to me, what makes it way more funny is you have to know Alessia, like if you've seen her, she is like this sweet. Yeah, this tiny little cute, little quiet kid that's like, you just do not see that coming out of her mouth. Like I can't wait to catch that.

That's why I want, we know we need to do something with Marcucci, your daughter, his daughter. Yeah, because they'll probably drive. Oh, they will. They will totally drive. It'll be fun to watch that. That'll be fun. Hey, did you guys see the,

did we talk about the, the new recommendations from the medical associations on children, on obese children? You guys see these? No. Did we talk about these? It was basically talking about like ushering them in to like the new like pharmaceutical drugs.

Okay, so I had a way like intervening as soon as possible. Listen, tell me I wasn't like rushing it. Tell me that we weren't right 100% on the whole obesity disease and what they're trying to set us up for. That comes out where they're pushing this disease thing. They're not trying to hide it. No, next thing that comes out. Pharmaceuticals immediately.

Is that they're now recommending surgery and or pharmaceuticals for children, so 12 and 13 year olds, who are obese. They're now recommending that as a treatment. So you take your 12 year old, you take your 12 year old to the doctor and the doctor sees that their BMI is high. This will now be, oh, we're gonna prescribe your kid,

or a stat, I think is the one drug, you guys know what that is? Maybe you can look that up, Doug. I think the drug that they're recommending is or a stat if I'm not mistaken. I think that's the one drug that you guys know what that is. Maybe you can look that up, Doug. I think the drug that they're recommending is Orlastat, if I'm not mistaken. I think that's the name of it. Like, how evil of a person do you have to be to write these things? Like, where is your or the chest flight in their mind?

Where's your moral compass as a writer and editor when you get this dropped on your desk and you create some shit around this. Or just the medical associations. What's wrong with you? Okay, so here's- It's gotta stop somewhere. So you don't have to write it, man.

Let's crazy. So Doug, as you're looking that up, so here's what happens. Okay, because I do think pharma drives the medical industry at large, but I definitely don't think doctors and obesity experts and stuff are evil people. I think at large they're good people trying to help, but what happens is the scope is so narrow that they're looking at these kids who are 12 and 13,

saying, okay, they're obese now. Here are the risks associated with obesity as they get older. So the surgery is going to outweigh the potential negatives of obesity. But here's why that scope is so narrow. You're taking a 12 year old and you're considering or assuming they will never change their lifestyle. You're assuming they'll never become empowered. And you're also discrediting all of the other potential side effects that have nothing to do with obesity from a surgery or a drug. For example, is the drug called Orlestat?

It is, okay. Orlestat. FDA-approved too. Yeah, so Orlestat is a drug that you take that blocks the absorption of fat. So this is the one where the side effects are oily stool, an oil in your poop or whatever. Okay, do you know what it means to block the absorption of fat? You're also blocking the absorption of fatty acids

and fat soluble nutrients. Yes. So you can take children, they're gonna be malnutrition. And you're gonna cause vitamin D deficiencies or vitamin A deficiencies or vitamin E deficiencies. Oh, but don't worry, we're gonna also put them on. But there'll be supplements.

Correct. Medical, medically prescribed vitamins or whatever. And then they're also not considering all the potential effects from the surgery. You're messing with their gut and their digestive system, are there gonna be mood issues with that? What does a surgery tell the kid? What kind of message are you sending him?

You know how or less it is, because you know what this really is? Parents. Yeah, parents, dude. 100%. It's always that, of course. I mean, it's just frustrating because I mean, yeah, if they would have got the right education and upbringing

in terms of like, you can handle this and you can take these steps towards a healthier path, you know, like that's, it's just, at this point, it's totally a powerless message. You know what, you know what, you know what, what would make a bigger difference with something like this? Simply saying, and I'm not forward this kind of regulation, but I think this will make a bigger impact. Heavily processed foods are not allowed to advertise to anybody under the age of 17 or something like that. I bet that would have a bigger impact on childhood obesity than any other thing that they would do with pharmaceuticals or surgery. I bet. You know, I don't

even know if that, well, I mean, I'm sure that would help someone. It's, to me, I feel like it's... That other parents buy it. It's the introduction to a lot of it that probably causes it. I feel like that. I mean, you give that to a kid at such a young age and you change their palate and then they,

then, then, because what I get is, because everybody understands what it's like, or anyone has kids understands what it's like to have like a kid that is just nagging nagging nagging all day. You're busy busy and so and they're wanting something and you know if you give it to them that they'll shut up Yeah, you gotta say no You're the parent that's but that's where I think this is where this gets out of hand is that they you choose the easy path of It's just like the thing with text with slow drip with the iPad

Yeah, but that means the parents have to change their behaviors. That's why it won't. That's right. Yeah. And it means it's going to be more typical for them. I mean, that's the truth. Like, obviously, it would be much easier just to hand my son candy every time he cried about it. Because if I, if I did, he'd be happy, which would mean you have candy at home. Yeah. You know, that's, that's the big thing because where you find obese parents, you almost always find obese children. Yeah. So it's tough. And we also don don't teach this is something I'm more aware of now that I wasn't 10 years ago we also don't teach

food relationships to children the right way in a modern environment so What that means is when this happens when they're really on once they're past a certain age then Then it's different then it's more education and this is what this does for you, and this, you know, does that for you? When they're like two, three years old, food relationship is more important than nutrition in terms of priority. Now, it doesn't mean you don't prioritize nutrition. It just means that this is when you start to develop the relationship or help them develop

a relationship of food where they understand how to eat when they're hungry, when they're not hungry. Do they eat food when it's meal time, and when it's not meal time, they don't eat that kind of stuff. That's something I wasn't super aware of with little ones, but we just don't know how to do it. We learned how to eat from our parents and their parents who all learn how to eat when there was no food. So it's a totally different game, the game that we learned or the strategy. We learn when we were kids is you better finish everything on your plate or your ground You're not leaving to a clean now. What are we seeing as far as you like the nutrients that children are getting is now

They're overconsuming so I'm assuming that they would have an abundance of that or they also like They're they're missing vital nutrients and then also overconsuming on calories Yeah, depends on the your process, right? Yeah, I know you see that still. Yeah, you're seeing nutrient deficiencies. Vitamin D is quite common. You see the ones you find in adults, you're starting to see in children. Because they are eating, now a lot of processed foods are quote unquote fortified,

but the nutrients that you're getting in them aren't pretty aren't very well absorbed or they're not balanced. Sometimes you have too much of some stuff and not enough of others, but they're not getting lots of fruits, vegetables, and fresh meat or in eggs and stuff like that. In fact, the only unprocessed foods that kids eat regularly now are like milk, eggs, maybe meat here and there,

and that's pretty much it. Everything else is processed. or like milk, eggs, maybe meat here and there. And that's pretty much it. Everything else is processed. So this year you approved a company for us to work with that is a children's multi-vitamin. What was the thought process on that for you when you gave the green light to Contrinity? Well, they have, first off, the supplement market's not regulated. So you'd, they have, they have, first off, they, with the supplement markets not regulated.

So you'd want to have a company that allows for third party testing so that has what it says it has. That also uses the right amounts. So it's not too much, not too little. And kids' multivitamins are typically glorified candy. So if you ever seen like the gummy candies or whatever, oftentimes too high in vitamin A, not high enough another stuff. And it's like candy.

It's like you're just giving your kids. You're just giving your kids like little pieces of candy every single day. So you're doing a whole lot? I mean, is it something that's sweet enough that kid will eat it? Or like, how's it? Oh, okay. So they still...

Not your kid eats gummy bears every day, maybe not. Oh, yeah. But it's, I mean, a real yes. Oh, yeah, Max had it like it was Eight it like he thought it was candy. So he thought it was sweet But it when I tasted it and I didn't think it was that it didn't taste like it was a no It's the Flintstone vitamin. No, it's naturally sweetened. It's like monk fruit. I was gonna ask what it is So it's monk fruit. Yeah, so it's not it's not like sugar and stuff like no artificial sweeteners and things like that in it

Okay, so this is a good it this is a good company and you know, it's good for if you're to fill any nutritional gaps with your kids. Now, if your kids eat lots of whole natural foods in a wide variety, especially if they eat lots of things like fresh meat and eggs and stuff, then they're probably okay. But the amounts in these multivitamins aren't so high either

where you're worried about. Over. Yeah, that's another thing you gotta be careful for is you take these vitamins and they're so high in certain nutrients that, like, I don't know if that's a good idea. Yeah. And you take them on a regular basis.

Right. Anyway, Justin, I want to ask you, you've had this note up for a while. I want to know what the hell it is. Which one? The man with three legs. Yeah, I was, I was growing around and like looking at all that's interesting. I think this is where I got it from.

It's a page that we didn't, we're not recommending or anything, but I should have. But, uh, this is, this is one of those pages that like brings up, uh, old stuff that I was like totally unaware of, like this freak show, side show, kind of, um, people that like, and it's sad on some level, but some of them are, you're just like, I like what? Like I would have never guessed. So there was a man with three legs, like legitimately had three legs and two dicks.

Whoa. Yeah, to go with that. And I was like, wow, that's way more interesting than the three legs. Exactly, right? And so he had two crutches, therefore he had two crutches. They're for you had two crutches So really what happened was they he absorbed a Twin oh, so he's basically part his twin in himself functional functional. Oh, yeah, functional and had kids

You know married kids to yes, were they both I don't know that's why I was so curious I was like I wonder if they both? I don't know, that's why I was so curious. I was like, I wonder if they both worked. You know, I'm like, Hey, I was just fascinated by that. He'd go back to back, right? Yeah, this one's done, but we got this one go. It sounded like, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, well, Sal was gonna be happy. I think he's Italian.

His name is Frank Lendini. It's, what? Frank Lendini, the man with two weenies. Wow, Frank, the tricycle. Yeah, like, man, he's just, I know I've been accused at times. But that's the funny, that's always the joke. He's like, oh, you know, tripod, you know, and it's like, you know, he's got the third leg.

But it's literally, he has like two crocs. Imagine how confusing it is. This is the only time this has ever happened. One man. I can't think of any other example in his career in this guy. This guy would be a bad ass attack window, right? If it's, that one leg doesn't look very functional. It's like just a prop. Well, I'm curious if you guys, both this things are working. Both wings. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. They did functioning. Yeah. He's actually born in Sicily. Wow. They both were functioning. Oh my God. Could be a relative actually. So he gets two bones? So could he double orgasm? I mean, if they're fucking. It doesn't specify. No, I got, okay, no, no, no, no, hold on a second. Hold on a second.

Okay. He has one central nervous system. Yeah. So that means that they both get it, he gets it recklessly. So it's like a lighter, it's, no, they're both simultaneous. So it's not like he uses one and then it doesn't affect the other one. He probably orgasms it with both at the same time.

It's one CNS. Sorry guys. Yeah. I mean, imagine if they imagine you can alternate. Yeah. Give this one a rest. Come here. What's the famous porn star?

Everyone knows what's his name. You know that musical chairs, you know what I mean? What's the famous Ron Jeremy? Ron Jeremy. Ron Jeremy, eat your heart out. You know what I mean? What's the famous Ron Jeremy? Ron Jeremy, I'd eat your heart out. You know what I'm saying? Oh, disgusting. Anyway, I guess this is my new favorite specimen.

Oh wow, that's weird. How confused you'd be hearing those footsteps? You mad in the dark? Good, good, good, good, good, good. What's going on? I don't know. This is wild. Dude, did you guys see, I got hit with this ad and I actually was curious.

And so it was actually like a 30 minute is all on those like short ads on Instagram. But then if you clicked on it, you watched the full 30 minutes. I couldn't finish the full 30 minutes because I was like so disgusted in it was. It was a Tony Horton ad. And it was you hear who? Sorry. It's your shirt. Yeah, it's all related. He He What I didn't know what happened to me had some disease. Oh wait Muscular disease and he lost all this muscle is hospitalized. I didn't even know either. So I guess he had kind of fallen off for a long time.

Everybody was like, where's he at? This has had happened to him. He's come back. He's healthy again and better. And he's now using that story to pedal a supplement. Attributing it all towards like plant-based protein. And it's like, it's plant-based protein, I think, even like this.

Like to save my life, type of deal? Yeah, bro. I really pull in the heartstrings. Yeah, like it actually, I actually didn't even realize I was watching like a supplement ad at first. It was just like his story. And he even had like another girl was telling a story like how mind blowing like this supplement was.

And so it got me. Oh, no, I see this. And I'm watching it. And I'm like, oh, I didn't know. Oh, that's where he's been. And I'm like, I wonder how many people that really kind of pulled in. Oh, I pulled me in just from the story

and it took me at least, I don't know, a few minutes into it before I realized what was happening and I went, oh, shit. This is a powerful, the powerful tool that a lot of these influencers will use to just push for. Oh, crazy. Do you have to be to do that?

I know. Part of me is like, gets upset with that. Part of me is like, well, I mean, he had some terrible happen. I mean, he spun it into a new business. Part of it. You know what I mean? Like, good on him.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, okay, so what, okay, my family starving. I'm out on the street. It's do or die. This happens to me. I lost all my money. Like, would I do something do something crazy like this probably if it came to my family You know I'm saying like to but I don't think he was hurting like that. No, I think the guys worth a lot of money Man, so I don't think what happened. What was his disease? I forgot the name of it called Ramsey hunt

I think oh Ramsey hunt. Yeah, it was like a muscular atrophy type of disease, right? That it was that one is like a form of shingles. Oh, oh, really? Oh, that's messed up. You know, I never liked them. So it doesn't really, it doesn't change my opinion of the guy. I don't know him, so I don't know how I don't know. I don't know, I don't, okay, thank you.

I don't know the guy. So when I say I don't like him, I don't like the whole, his whole fitness advice media thing. It was like the part of the fitness industry that's like, I I don't like the whole fitness advice media thing. It was like the part of the fitness industry that's like. I mean, I'm kind of doing the same thing everybody was doing. I'm careful not to judge because there's been too many times in this show

where we've met somebody and I like didn't like him. They're really like him or somebody I really liked and I can't stand him. So I'm like, I don't know, but regardless about him, that was a dirty way. That's a dirty way to sell supplements. I don't care. I don't care.

I don't care how, I don't care if I love the guy when I meet him. I would still say that to you. Like, bro, that was, that's a dirty angle. Part of me, it's funnily funnily just to that one thing. Yeah. Come on. That's not the whole story. Again, you know, part of me is almost like, God, because that's gonna be terrible, right? You're like a fitness icon. You make a ton of money with P90X, a lot of stuff. You're supposed to be this like trainer, that's like healthy. Then you get this de-abilitating disease.

I mean, I can kind of understand. Like, I'm going to re- I'm going to re- See, like you launched a whole new supplement line on help build muscle over 60 years old. And the- I'm looking at it. The crux of the marketing is over. I looked at the products, there's nothing in there that's- Yeah, that's what I mean.

Ground breaking. Nothing groundbreaking, but they use like this crazy story of what he went through and then now he's back and saved his life. And it's just like, oh God, that's crazy. That's the most powerful tool is a story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Puls of heartstream. Especially if you know, people love Americans love, especially like a... The underdog, like the overcomer, yeah. Yeah. So it comes back from the dead type of thing. Speaking of influencers and the underdog, Yeah, the overcomer. Yeah. So come back from the dead type of speaker of influencers and the underdog. You know, first of all, one, I didn't know that David Goggins only does like a couple interviews ever.

I thought I've seen so many clips of him. Yeah. And just assume he does tons of interviews. And it's like all just broken. Yeah. And then our dude at modern wisdom with Chris Williamson. Oh, two. That is that is all that's all he does. And he's got that interview dropping with Chris Williamson coming up. I know we interview Chris and this coming month. And I heard

a clip. This up kind of crazy. Goggins is. Goggins made, okay? He took all the hate comments that were set on Instagram and his YouTube and also that recorded himself saying those comments to himself on video and then made it into a mixtape and then he listens to that shit where he fucking runs. What the fuck, bro? 16-year-old me would be like, fuck. Oh, yeah, bro. That's exactly what I would have been off of. Bad ass dude, like, you know, he's a fucking savage. And I know he's not our style as far as like, you know,

because that people ask why we had in Bratamons. Yeah, it's kind of the opposite message of what we try and present to people, some of that. But that's an individual. But exactly, does not mean, and I want to make that clear on the show because I've actually made comments before in the forum, and I think people probably assume

that I don't like them where I'm hating, because we don't have them in the show, and because I say I don't agree with the way the messaging he's giving, because we try and I think we come from a total different perspective as coaches, and the general population, that doesn't mean, I don't think he's a badass, and I don't think that that fucking rat is fueled.

Oh my God, who else did that? Was there somebody that we knew, was it Mark Mastroff that said that he would take people's comments that would say this won't work, you can't do this. He'd post it notes with them up in his mirror. Well, so I use some of the best athletes would do that. Like Michael Jordan was notorious for that.

And they would like tally it up at the end and like, like, you know, address each one of the haters, like specifically. Well, I had posted notes all over my bathroom of, like, so like most of them were like goals, but then I had one that was up there that was where I brushed my teeth at. That was, it said, beat Neil.

And Neil at the time was like the top trainer in the gym, and I got really irritated because I have that personality of like, I, like coming to people and wanting to learn, pulling on your shirt, being like, hey, teach me, type of deal. This must have been when you were a new trainer. I was brand new. Yeah, because you're a steamer on me.

When somebody crosses you, I was the same, I would like. Cause I know, okay, I'm gonna, I know who you guys talking about. You steamroll them, so I was going to you first started. Oh, and I did, it only took me about a year or so to catch this dude, and I remember that, but that was like beat me, you know what I'm saying? I had that because he blew me off like that,

and so it stung, and so it stuck with me, and so I had that up there every day where it was like, Little Ditty-no, he created the monster, look in the beast. Oh, that's wild, man. It helps to use that stuff. that he know. He created the monster. The woken the beast. That's wild. It helps to use that. Some people can be motivated by hate on a consistent basis.

I actually, okay, so I don't, Patrick, Patrick, that's a great strategy for most real people. I do think it is, but I think you need to have the self awareness of to not allow it, not to not identify with it. Right? Yes. Like there's nothing wrong to me. I think I still to this day do that. Like if someone tells me I can't, you don't identify with it. Like you said,

which means you're not, because then what happens is we have a good friend like this who is so motivated by me. The same thing that they're looking for it. Yeah. They need it. Without it, they need it. Where I don't think I need it. I think it's I go like, Oh, thank you. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.

Extra motivation for me. So I mean, Patrick, David talks about it in his book. Your next five moves is being able to utilize that as fuel. And it's very powerful. I even think the psychology around it, right? Because it hits like an insecurity. There's a lot of potential fuel there. And so to not utilize it would be, I think naive,

but then to be careful because you can then identify. Yeah, and then when you need it, you end up creating it. Right, so I do think there's some power. I do think it does build up yourself, believe, on some level, right? Because you can overcome a lot of the forces against you. But yeah, if you keep feeding that,

and that's your only well that you're going to, you know, never believe that leads into a dark path. You become the very monster that you are constantly fighting against. Yeah, yeah. I got something interesting, this is kind of off topic, but really cool. I learned about this group of people in the world,

maybe Doug can look this up, the Baju people. Look up B-A-J. I think it's, I don't know, say you. I don't know, say you. I thought that Baju or Baju might be, I thought that was a bougie thing. The bougie people. Well, it's not a no, it's like,

bougie people. Not like Louise Yanry. I don't know that I wanna go there. There are these bougie people. Yeah, look, come up and pull it up. Pull up a picture of these, okay, okay. So this is a, now it's a shrinking population of people, but it's the only people in the world

that live exclusively on water. They live on the water? They live on the water, and they have a genetic mutation. They have a genetic mutation that they've adapted because they've been doing this for, who God knows how many thousands of years. They're here webbed?

No, what? They could dive to depths that no one else can dive to. Yes. If they can hold their breath and go down and dive to and say, so they're like some of the world's best natural diver experience. Like spear fishermen. Yes.

And they build structures that float on the water and they're whole from birth to death. Wow. They live on the water. That's kind of cool. Isn't that crazy? Where did you say it was, where are they at? It looks like like the Philippines are where.

Indonesia. Oh, Indonesia. Doug, look up their genetic mutation. I want to read up a little bit more on that because that was what was fascinating to me that they've been doing this for so long that like world. Now they have gills behind their ears. Well, like champion divers will try to hang with them

and be like, wow, this is, this is like an old man. 80 year old old just go down Yeah, on one breath. What does it say there? One such gene cause people a blood to be squeezed out of the limbs and non-essential areas of the body so that the brain heart and lungs could continue to receive oxygen so that's The mutation the C no man. Do we have an example of like how? Another thing is they evolved to have bigger splines.

They have bigger splines. So blood is getting much better. They're blood carriers. So I mean, is there some stuff like, they more than a minute longer than the best divers or like, that's crazy. Or is it like so, is it like negligible? No, it's not negligible, that's for sure. But I'd love to look and see like, I'll see like the difference, it's crazy. Or is it like so, is it like negligible? No, it's not negligible, that's for sure.

But I'd love to look and see like, I'll see like the difference, right? Like how far, are they diving like, you know, so many meters deeper than the best divers, or they can they stay, hold their breath longer, what do you got? Yeah, I'm trying to get that. So the deepest dive was 259 feet,

which is very deep, just over three minutes. See, that's a lot of pressure too. Like what's your name? From Mendiz. They can hold deep. Just over three minutes. That's a lot of pressure too. From mendic, they can hold their breath for over five minutes, it's 259 feet. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. That's insane. You know, it's crazy about that too,

is you have to do that in stages. You can't just go down and come up. Oh yeah. If you come up to some, yeah, have you ever said to the bottom of like a 20 foot pool, like that's like a, well, no, what happens at those, at those depths is the pressure causes some of the gases in your system

and blood to liquefy. And then it goes to different parts of the body. Hope I'm getting this right. And then if you come up too fast, it gets, turns back into a gas and the wrong parts of the body and you get what's called, it's the thing it's called the bends.

The bends, yeah. Where they get this, it's like it could kill you. No, I heard that. Yeah, like tremendous pain. Well, this is where the keto diet, I guess, is shown to be helpful, right? No, not for that, that's for,

I thought it was for diet. No, that's for re-breathers. Re-breathers. Oh, re-breathers. So Navy SEALs will use what we call re-breathers so that there's no bubbles coming up when they're trying to be stealth, but it causes so much hyperoxidination

that it can deduce things like seizures and the ketogenic. So these people can hold their breath for over five minutes. While highly trained divers from other populations can only hold it for three or four. So that's a big difference. That's huge.

Yeah, yeah, that's almost no. Isn't that wild? Yeah, that is wild. There's also, I mean, like if it was like, oh, 20 more seconds than the most time, it's like, I remember you brought up a fact a long time ago where we were talking about,

like, you know, you're in the water and you prune after a long time. And like, why we actually do that is for a better grip. I've shared that fact. That's the CNS. So many people had no idea. You know, I didn't really understand the word. I thought it was just skiing absorbing the water. Yeah.

No, it's not. But that's the CNS. That's your CNS is causing things underwater. Yeah. That's fascinating. But that's a CNS. That's just CNS. It's a great thing. It's under water. Yeah. That's fastening. This is interesting. So they, this one inclaims that they can stand or water for as long as 13 minutes at depths

of around 200 feet. Okay. So what I was trying to figure out when you said, when you said 259 feet that they've, they've to, the amount of time it would take just to swim down that. Like that's what I said, if you ever swim down the bottom of a 20 foot. Oh, yeah. Knowing you have to go back up. Yeah, you got to go down almost what, 12X that.

And then you also have to come all the way back up like that. I remember you have to, I don't know how many. I don't know how many feet, but if you watch free divers, they have to, they go down as deep as they can. And then what they do is they come up and they pause. They're equalized. To equalize at certain stages to allow the, right.

So imagine how many times just to get down to that depth and how long that would take, that would take like several minutes. So there's also along these lines of adaptations and interesting facts. There's also this region or this, I want to say this town or this population in Mexico of these people who run, they live in a mountainous region, I think, and they run from like the second they can walk to the day that they die.

And this is like what they do is they run, and run, and run, and you'll see it's like 80, 90-year-olds continuing to run, they run mostly barefoot, and they have this tremendous stamina and endurance, no injuries. This is like Kenya like that? Is that how Kenya is or no?

That's also a big part of their culture. But this is a region of Mexico. I don't know if Doug can find it Chihuahua area of Mexico. Oh, okay. They're being chased by the run. Chase by little dogs. Get out. Oh my god. Yeah, that was a commercial. What happened to that commercial? That was a very popular commercial. I think it got That was a commercial. Come on, what happened to that commercial? That was a very popular commercial. I think it got. I don't know.

Don't come after me, dude. That was a real commercial. It says, born to run secrets of what? What is that, Tara? How do you say that? Yes, I mean, Tara, who, who Mara, I guess is it? Those are, that's the paper, those are the people. The book probably references it.

Yeah. And in some of them will make shoes, they'll cut, like, they'll take like a, because they're poor, they'll take a tire, they'll cut a strip of the tire off, and just slap at the bottom of the feet, it's like a sandal, and they'll run for like 30 miles. Like every day. Oh, you know what, Tombott's shoes,

you know this whole like AI thing is, that's another market that can get disrupted, like is, I was even a shot. You can be able to. You don't say Adam. Yes. I know.

Tell us about it. No, keep going, man. I know. I have to do that. Well, so Nike, so of course Nike's trying to, you know, what do they do to stop this, right? You brought up with your daughter and stuff like that, what's been happening with the market with these, you know, the fakes that are looking so real and stuff. So Nike has got this new thing out where you can buy refurbished Nike's. So let's say like someone like me who's got, I've had a pair of Jordans for four or five

years and they start to wear a little without use. They have now a, I can send them in. They refurbish them and then they put them back online and they sell them for a ridiculously like. Oh, wow. Yeah. That sounds pretty cool. That's brilliant. That sounds great. Make them like new again. Just by then they look they look they look brand new Actors it's really it's really cool. It's just getting really popular right now And but it just makes me think I was actually thinking about my my shoe collection. It's probably be worth nothing in another year To so I was like fuck that's great. Um, because I that was like half the like I'm holding on to the Maybe I'll flip up. I'm sure I'm kind of going to invest me.

Boy, it was a retirement play. It's so security right now, fuck, I'm fucked in 10 years. Better than FTX. So yeah, so yeah, that's an industry that I think is going to be really interesting because, you know, the stuff that probably makes up shoes and the ability to do that I think isn't that complicated when you think about 3D printing and the things that we can do. I just picture like you're you're you're you're hell of porn the future but you're

hell and I shoes. How do you afford no shoes? Yeah I invested a lot shoes and I was really honest to go off. So my my theories it's gonna it's gonna really drive that I mean I think that we're I think right now you really think it's gonna really drive that. I mean, I think that we're, I think right now, do you really think it's gonna hammer the shoe mark? I think that we're gonna, I think in our lifetime, shoes, and I'm trying to think of an example of something that was so crazy expensive, and then now it's just super cheap, right, to have it, right?

That's how, I think shoes are gonna become really, really cheap. It's interesting, because it seems the more popular, I don't know that a lot of new designs out are like super, like are more popular than the old nostalgic kind of shoes. I don't know if you know this. Are you saying they are? I have, so I guess Yeezies and all that when that came out

was like probably kind of took a lot of the market share versus like say your old version one, Jordans. Oh, that'd be interesting to search because I think that retro shoes are probably more popular than like new stuff. That's what I was, Oh, I thought you were seeing the opposite. No, I thought you were seeing the absolute.

New stuff has been, had sort of like, yeah, flatlined. No, I think it's way more, yeah, way more popular. One of them are bringing Jordans and Yeezys and chalk. One of them are bringing back like your retro shoes seem to be way more popular. Yes, so to your point of that, I've like me just wanted to refurbish

like those designs, like I would be much more interested in that. Yeah, and that's why I think that's gonna crush this market because those are already more popular shoes. There's already a fake market for it's like, it's driving the prices down. It's becoming so competitive. It's becoming a thing now where kids openly buy the fakes because they're like, why wouldn't I? They look just as good as the fucking real ones. It's like, so what? You get the box. You get the Jordan box. I mean, I throw my boxes away anyways and put them in different containers. So what do you care if it's if it's fake?

99% of the people wouldn't be able to tell. So yeah, no, I think when are they gonna bring back a British Knight? That's all I want. I'm gonna go in LA Gears. Bro, check out, you know what did come back. Doug, look up Reebok pumps for sale. Watch out much.

Oh, you know what, pumps? Of course. I almost, I almost, remember that annoying ass kid that before he did anything athletic, we'll hold on. They, they, they, yes, of course, almost, I almost remember that annoying ass kid that before he did anything athletic hold on They they they even make them now to look didn't make retro and old like they've been worn for 10 years and there's and I think they sell like for like 600 They make them look old. Yeah, go like or like look up

Stock X Doug and then Reebok pumps. Cause you're what you're looking at a bunch of like, do the big old basketball. There's a little basketball on it, squeeze. So cheesy. Yeah, I totally wanted those back in the day. Everybody does. There you go. There they all are.

Wow. That was the era of gimmicks, of shoe gimmicks. Uh huh. Yeah. They were cool though. They were. It was a big deal to get those, man. Dam and Jordan's like were, were.

Yeah, you're either Jordan or a pumps guy. Yeah. Yeah. I was a kid's. Kids. Or kids. It's your British nights. The British nights, when was it lit up, right?

No. British nights was just LA gear. Was it LA gear? Yeah, it was lit up. British nights at pay last shoes. Was it LA gear? I don't remember what you were talking about. Who lit up? Who lit up first? That was LA gear.

No, it was LA gear. Yeah, they were on the lights on the heels. My son has rain boots that do that. They had like castles. Shit, like all this stuff. No, I bought, I bought, I don't remember who made them. There was a basketball shoe and the commercial show to catapult in the heel.

What? Yes. Now he shocks you. No, it was, no, it was, I don't remember who made a converse with someone there. It was, it was the year, this was the decade of gimmicky basketball shoes. It's like, this has a catapult in the heel, like, oh, fuck. I'm gonna jump hell high with those.

Didn't do anything. Never mind. What's that brand right now? It's really popular on social media, the, the, the insoles and the guy, the, he, he's added on a basketball court and that he shows like the, like, he's benzoom and they shoot all the way up to like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the and the guy, he's adding on a basketball court and that he's been, he's been them and they shoot all the way up to the hoop. It's such a good ad. This will do it for you.

Yeah, because of the teenage kid, I was probably like, oh, I gotta get those insoles. Hey, I got a shout out before we step off here. Big little feelings, great page on Instagram. This is, these are toddler experts, so for parents out there, it's a huge page, 2.9 million followers, but great advice for raising kids and toddlers and stuff like that. Yeah, it's a good one. Check it out.

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Yeah, they're tasting music, maybe about the same. Yes, it's such a general thing like to look at someone and see some marketing tool. Yeah, it's not very effective. Now it's effective marketing. I could put together programs based on quote unquote body types and you're gonna want to buy it. He's like, identify with one of these.

Like, oh, this is me. This is for pear-shaped people or apple-shaped people. Well, there's a lot of correlation that goes with it. That's why. Because there's a lot of, like when you look at somebody who is like an ectomorph, they tend to have a lot of things in common. They have less or appetite.

They seem to be more active people. They fidget a lot of time. They have smaller bone structure. And then, oh, they're also really lean. And so I think there's a lot of correlation to that that then you can then piggyback off that and say, oh, well, these body types need to eat this way. You know, so it's, yeah.

Yeah, I wouldn't, even for yourself, number one you want to look at, like, what's realistic and doable for me? Like, what does this feel like for me? How do I feel about doing these things? What's realistic and doable? Then the next thing is considering that, so that's filter one. So think of it this way. Like, you have a bunch of filters,

and you're putting rocks and sand and dirt through the filters. The first filter is to filter out the big rocks, and that is your psychology, your mental state. Like what is the most realistic for me to do consistently? Then the next filter is, now that I know that, what's the most effective considering those parameters? And then after that, then you can look at male, female, body type, that kind of stuff.

But by the time you get down to that filter, it really doesn't matter. Because the first two, the ones that I labeled, that I just labeled are by far the most important will cover 99% of what you're looking to do. And there may be a percent there left with body type stuff, but there's really not much. By the way, the whole body type theory was invented by a zoologist who came up, we tried to come up with a way to describe people. Yeah.

That, and by the way, in his descriptions include personality. This is where the whole myth of the fat Jolly person came from. Oh, really? Yeah, so people who are endomorphs to be happy in Jolly and people who tend to have, you know, it's what's that one study of the of the skull, where they study the bumps in the head. And then they try to tell you that your personality based on that. It's like along those lines. So how much science behind it is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, it's like astrology.

Next question is from Pete on the gram. when is an individual better off hiring a coach versus following a program like maps? You're always better off hiring a person if they're a good coach. Yeah, nothing will be that right. Even a maps program like that's the, I think we've always admitted that. Now the challenge is, where's the threshold or where's the line of where like you need to have a pretty dang good coach before It is actually better and any if you're a subpar coach then you're better off just following a maps program than having somebody who's not

Gonna give you really good advice, so I think that's the challenge is knowing where that where that line is But if it's a really good coach if you have a really good coach You're gonna get a lot of insight individually that way. Well, yeah, and also like the need to be able to pivot, I mean, how often did you guys do this as a coach? I've got my workout plan for Suzy, she's coming in in 15 minutes and I know what we're gonna do, and then she gets there and we get in the first exercise,

and I can just see, she's either off, or I could tell she didn't sleep very well, or she communicates that to me, or I could see the way her body's moving, or I noticed something for the first time that I hadn't seen in her before, that oh, we should probably correct that, and that's more important, and then you pivot.

And so, and if you were following a maps program, and those things occurred, you should still pivot and actually focus on and address that, right? And so a good coach sees these and calls the audible real time where like we obviously can't do that in a digital program that was a coach is a good coach is a guide. And there's nothing that'll ever replace. I't know about ever we were talking about all AI so who knows but up until now nothing is more nothing's going to give you a better guarantee of success especially long-term than a good guide or coach but they have to be good but even you know even some of the more the other I guess

benefits are pros with like a maps, as it's inexpensive in comparison. Hiring a good coach is going to be a larger investment by far. Like a good trainer, one-on-one, is going to be anywhere between $60 to $120 or more per hour. An online coach is going to be hundreds of dollars every month. Whereas a maps program is a fraction of that, and you have lifetime access to it. Here's the best way to use a maps program is a fraction of that and you have lifetime access to it. Here's the best way to use a maps program. If you're looking for long-term success, the best way to use it is to follow a maps program,

then follow another maps program, and then another one, because each maps program is going to train you differently, is going to teach you more about your body, and then after you go through nine months or a year of doing this process, then you can go back and you can start to modify and change them based off your individual needs.

This is when you start to learn how to train yourself. What you also have to do with a guide. When you train with a guide, what a good guide or coach will do is teach you, the best coaches will teach you, how to start to figure this out for yourself, but it's a long process, right? So that would be how I use a MAPS program.

Well, I think the ultimate insurance because like it's really hard to find a great coach. Like this is something we could ask all the time and you know, there's obviously signs and red flags look out for and but to be able to even if you have like an average coach and you know, they do they do a good job of like showing up and taking you through workouts like to now combo that with a maps program and get them on board with teaching you like the concepts and the right technique and how to perform these exercises within that structure would be like you know that's probably the best case scenario. Next question is from Jen Garner. Can I train for a bodybuilding show and a half marathon at the same time?

Yeah. Terrible. At the same time. Hold on, hold on. Terrible. Are we getting blind? I don't even want to hear you. Hold on, I'm thinking, she's not asking,

she didn't ask if it was a good idea. Can you? She said can I. Okay, well, yeah, you totally can. You can also, you can also try and practice meditation while listening to heavy metal. I don't recommend it. You can also wash your clothes and gasoline at the end of the day. So here's a deal.

You can do whatever you want. This is a terrible idea though if you're asking if you should. This is a guaranteed road towards over training, injury, and sucking at both. You're going to suck at both. They're so contradictory. And a bodybuilding show, by the way, you're not asking, can I lift weights

and do a half marathon? You're asking about a show. A show means you have contest prep. You are so depleted. Depleet your soul. And so new trends and calories. And then you do a half prep. You are so depleted. Depleet yourself in new trends and calories. And then you do a half merrily. You get sick. You're in trouble. You're on on that and do.

Yeah. I want to say that's the question. The joke. This has to be a joke, right? I would guess this. I'm not going to look. I don't know who this person is. I'm not, you know, but I would guess that this person has a dysfunctional relationship with exercise already. If they're asking this, that they're probably already overtraining constantly.

It's a pretty safe bet. And this is kind of, you know, par for the course of them. Terrible idea. If you did a show and a half marathon, you're, I'm gonna guarantee you that you're gonna hurt yourself, not feel very good.

Yeah, and by the way, talk about two of the most extreme areas that like, when I get somebody who's like addicted to marathon running or addicted to bodybuilding, so like that, like they're, talk about a lot of dysfunction. Like those are two of the worst, like when it get somebody who's like addicted to marathon running or addicted to bodybuilding so like that like they're talking about a lot of dysfunction like those are two of the worst like when it comes to stuff like now you could train with some bodybuilding style workouts and train to run a long run every now and then yeah yeah but the show part of if you've ever done pre-contest you know like what is it what's the typical pre-contest 16 to 12 weeks? 12 weeks usually? Yeah. Is that right? So yeah, 12 weeks, aside from maybe the first three or four weeks,

after that, you're gonna, you're gonna try training for half marathon during that period of time. That's silly. You can barely get through your workout, especially by the time you're like, I was a terrible. I just think about this. Yeah, it's a terrible idea. I mean, you're far better off doing one than the other. Yeah, that's all. And I think that's, I think that's a terrible idea. I mean, you're far better off doing one than the other. I mean, and I think that's, I think that's a great idea. You know, focus on being a bodybuilder. Then reverse diet, healthy. Yep, and then reverse diet. Build your metabolism back up,

and then go train for your marathon afterwards. And then at the end of the year, I bet you'll look back and have seen, like, oh, I've got lots of benefits from both of these, but to do them at the same time is just be silly. It doesn't make any sense. Next question is from Mama to Mace, which is better for you? Whole or low fat milk?

All right, so, so long as calories are not in the conversation here. In other words, if the whole milk is making you overeat, then we can make the argument that low fat would be better. But let's just say that, chlorically, you know, chloricant take is good. Everything else is fine. All things being considered, so we can make a direct comparison. Whole milk is healthier. In fact, I believe, and maybe Doug can confirm this, that nonfat milk was connected to bone fractures, to bone fractures. You might be thinking, how's that possible? Because milk is supposed to be good for your bones. Well, the vitamin D that is in whole milk

or that is in milk is fat soluble. So if you drink low-fat or nonfat milk, you're not absorbing the fat soluble vitamins that are essential to help strengthen and build bone. Whole milk has all the essential nutrients. Fats, proteins, it has some carbohydrates. You can now absorb your fat soluble vitamins. It's the way that milk It's the way that milk comes as a package. So low fat, by the way, low fat and nonfat milk is a relic of the fat is bad for you, era.

Aren't you going to get more of the lactose than low fat as well as you remove a lot of the fat nutrient inside of whole milk? It's the same. It's just now, well it's the same, but now that's more hot. It's now just sugar protein in there. But yeah, what did that say? Low milk intake. Oh, it's low milk, not low fat.

I'm sorry. Look up nonfat milk and bone fractures. Yeah, bone fractures. But yeah, this is a relic of the fat scare craze of the 80s and 90s. That's when, you know, before that, nobody had non-fat milk. In 60, 70s, to help out that. I'm trying to think of a situation with a whole food

where you extract something out of it and it's ever superior than in its natural state. Is there an example of that? You just talked about the eggs the other day and how now more stuff has come out at the whole egg is as long as it's the edible parts right? Right, so where is it where we have found taking a whole food, taking something away from it is superior to it in its whole state? That's a good point. I don't think there's for trying to make some kind of pharmaceutical out of it. No, not that. Not condensing it and then turning it into a drug or doing it.

And I'm like, where is it nutritionally healthier for you? Ever. I don't think there's, I don't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't think of, I can't think of a situation where you take a whole thing. Well, here, let's, let's think of, let's track something from it. Let's think of some examples.

Whole legs versus egg whites. By the way, that's also a relic of the, the beans maybe? Of the fat, you know versus egg whites. By the way, that's also a relic of the fat, you know, is bad for your era, right? Whole eggs better for muscle protein synthesis, builds more muscle, burns more body fat when calories control for. It's got brain healthy nutrients.

It's got, you know, full late in it and other nutrients that are essential for brain health. So egg whites, when all things are controlled for, are less healthy than whole eggs. Let's look at fruit. You could take fruit with its fiber and its skin and its seeds and all that. And you can extract just the juice. Now you have natural soda, essentially.

You just have sugar water. But whole fruit doesn't have nearly the potential negative effects of fruit juice. Well, when you say like a wheat or something because you have to process it down in order to make it like digestible. That's a good point. But yeah, that's a very good point. There are certain plants that in order to be able to consume them, we have to strip it all the way down to like a tree to like the fruit at bears and saying like, yeah, you probably shouldn't eat the roots and the trunk. It's not gonna be very, just a fruit for it. So I don't think that's even an example of that.

Like I can't think of a whole food where we extract something from it or take something like off of it. And then it's healthy. I'm telling you, for all of the history, for all of history, when we consumed milk, up until this baloney hypothesis that it was fat that was causing these heart attacks that were starting to appear, up until the seven country study, which was highly messed up

and it was fake, it really didn't prove anything because it took out the countries that didn't fit that model. Up until that point, nobody drank anything other than whole milk. Then all of a sudden fat became the enemy and there was a market for the dairy industry acted, right? Oh my God, everybody's scared of dairy because of the fat content. How do we continue to sell milk? Oh, low fat and nonfat milk.

When we were kids and you went to your friends house and you had a bowl of cereal, nine out of 10 times, it was low fat or nonfat milk, nine we were kids and you went to your friend's house and you had a bowl of cereal, nine out of 10 times it was low fat or nonfat milk, nine out of 10 times. My house was the only one that had that whole milk. Why? Because we thought it was disgusting. My parents were like, who's gonna drink this water? It's have some whole milk. But that's that's really what it comes from. So as long as your calories are controlled and you're drinking milk. Whole, don't go non-fat or low fat. So waste of time. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to Mind Pump Free.com and check out our guides.

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