Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1999: How to Avoid Losing Muscle on Vacation, Ways to Maintain Fitness as a Busy Parent, How to Balance Out Upper & Lower Body Development & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: January 28, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Here are 4 ways to get a novel body part to respond. (2:07) How there is so much we do not consider. (10:45) Learning how to ask better questions using A.I. (16:22) When you solve one problem, there is another on the other end. (18:10) A good friend does not call another friend for a move. (28:30) Being an advocate for your health. (31:30) The origins of “I, Pencil.” (39:55) Caldera works! (41:19) Has Dana White ‘jumped the shark’ with this new slap league? (42:27) Kim Kardashian knows more about business than you. (45:24) Is blue-collar work making a comeback? (51:04) The tech layoffs are just beginning. (52:37) A fitting example of why you do not want your government building things for you. (54:06) How cheating is more about opportunity than reality. (55:24) Shout out to @jasminestar. (56:51) #ListenerLive question #1 – Any advice on how to keep my gains while on a month-long vacation? (58:13) #ListenerLive question #2 – Does intense conditioning diminish the effects of muscle recovery? (1:13:47) #ListenerLive question #3 – How do you get over the bodybuilding mentality of always chasing that pump and wanting to always bulk diet to try and feel bigger and bigger? (1:24:08) #ListenerLive question #4 – Is there any way to transition my lower body into a trimmer, more dense muscular structure? (1:36:19) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit SleepMe for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** January Promotion: NEW YEAR’S RESOLUTIONS SPECIAL OFFERS! (New to Weightlifting Bundle, Body Transformation Bundle, and New Year Extreme Intensity Bundle) You get massive savings with each offer. Mind Pump #1745: How To Pack On Muscle To Your Lagging/Stubborn Body Parts Mind Pump #1632: The Truth About German Volume Training In Silico and AI: Computer Simulation in Drug Discovery Humanity May Reach Singularity Within Just 7 Years, Trend Shows Why Elon Musk doesn't want to live forever - Business Insider Vaccine Safety: 57% Want Congress to Investigate CDC U.S. CDC still looking at potential stroke risk from Pfizer bivalent COVID shot "They Were WRONG!" - Neil deGrasse Tyson In Heated Vaccine Debate I, Pencil by Leonard E. Read - Foundation for Economic Education Milton Friedman - I, Pencil - YouTube Kim Kardashian torched for 2-hour Harvard speech: 'This is hilarious' JAMBA LAUNCHES AUTOMATED SMOOTHIE STATION WITH ROBOTICS COMPANY BLENDID Visit Mobility Wall for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Suspension Training Resistance Training While Traveling-Mind Pump Blog MAPS Symmetry The Most Overlooked Muscle Building Principle-Mind Pump Blog MAPS 15 Minutes Tom Platz Shows That At 65 Years Old, He Is Still The Quadfather! MAPS Aesthetic Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) Twitter Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) Instagram Jasmine Star (@jasminestar) Instagram

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So if you're interested you want to learn more you just want to sign up go to maps January calm all right here comes a show So if you're interested, you want to learn more, you just want to sign up, go to mapsgenuary.com. All right, here comes a show. Here are four novel ways to get a body part to respond when you use strength training. Here they are. Let's say you're doing 12 sets for body part. Here's four different ways you can do that. Option one, four exercises for that body part, three sets each. Option two, three exercises for that body part three sets each. Option two, three exercises for that body part, four sets each. Option three, two exercises, six sets each, and option four, do one exercise

for 12 sets. All of them are different. All of them provide different value, but all of them build muscle. Where did go math guy? The magical number 12. I know he wrote that down and rehearsed it like five times. One and 12. Let me give my back to you. I love that battle. No, you know, do you guys remember when you figured this out where you didn't have to do, like you could do the same amount of sets, but do like one exercise,

or just two? Like they're all valuable, especially when they're novel. Like if you always, because I did a tweet on this, and people were like, well, isn't it better to do more exercises? And I said, what, you know, because I did a tweet on this and people like, well, isn't it better to do more exercises? And I said, well, you know, generally, yes, but if that's what you always do, I said, try going to the gym on Chester or Shoulder Day, pick a big, gross motor movement and do just all your sets with that one movement.

And watch what happens, watch how you feel. It'll blow you away. Yeah. Yeah, how often do you guys change this up? Like where you, this was one of those things that, you know, we talk about how like, oh, you shifted something and you're, you're training or thinking around, you know, programming that like made this huge leap for your games or whatever. This was one of them where I, for the longest time, I was three sets, three sets of whatever

exercise and. Well, because it's promoted as as the best muscle building zone. Yeah, three to four sets was the standard for hypertrophy training. And so that was the area I was to. I actually remember just this way, and this was before I even really started to track volume or any of this stuff, I trained in the three set thing forever. And it was again, I think somebody who gave me that advice, asked me another, an actually good trainer,

who I was talking to, was just like, well, have you ever organized it to where you have four, you do four sets of everything? And I'm like, I don't know, I've never thought of that. Whatever, remember doing that. And like, see huge gains, you know, that was actually for the first transition. I'm going like, okay, well, this is,

all I do was really increased the volume. And then also recognizing that, oh man, I'm going like, okay, well, all I do was really increase the volume, and then also recognizing that, oh man, I can do just like what you said. Three sets, four sets, I could do six sets, like, you know, and we can start to play with that a little bit. I do that all the time. Yeah, and you can keep the volume, like you can keep the total sets the same.

So it's not like you, you know, you did four sets, now you're doing a bunch more sets. You cut out an exercise or do less of other exercises. The first time I figured this out, I was reading about Paul Anderson. He's one of the strongest athletes of all time. He's an Olympic weightlifter. American, he's one of the most decorated American Olympic lifters. And I was reading about how he would, you know,

had a farmhouse and he would go and do squats. And he would do like 15 sets of just squats. I said, God, you know, I've never done a workout. Like I always do the same thing. I would do three sets of this exercise, three sets of just squats. I said, God, you know, I've never done a workout. Like, I always do the same thing. I would do three sets of this exercise, three sets of that exercise. And I said, why not, instead of doing, you know, three or four exercises for chess,

what if I just did bench press and I just did all the sets, just did all the sets of just bench press. And I remember the pump I got, how I felt my strength gains. I was like, oh, it was like paradigm shattering. I said, oh my God, I could do this for any exercise, any body part. It doesn't, by the way, it doesn't have to be a compound gross motor movement either. You could do 12 sets of laterals, you know? Obviously, that's not going to be as loud of a signal. But my point with this is you can have

that flexibility and it's one way to change your workout, make a novel. So you're going in to do X amount of sets, you can still do those sets. You can do, in fact, you can go as crazy as doing one set of 12 exercises. Well, that's what I was just gonna bring out. It wasn't 12, but it was 10. And I remember doing that with a buddy of mine

and Collegiate was like, well, let's try this out. We had heard it from somewhere. I don't know, it's like a power lifter or somebody that was talking to us about, you know, like structuring it that way. And they were like, well, let's try this out. We had heard it from somewhere. I don't know, it's like a power lifter or somebody that was talking to us about, like, structuring it that way. And they're like, well, let's try this. And let's see, of course, we're like, picking a weight that's like pretty close

to our max rep. Oh, yeah, you got to check it out. Because it's only one rep, right? And then, oh my God, it just buried us. Like, it was insane. But then, like, I did it again in a better way in terms of like shaving down quite a bit of like more like 70% of intensity and it was so much better.

And it actually got a lot better. My performance increased because of the rest in between and then the approach to it was totally different. Yeah, that's something else too to consider too. If you do something like this, and you're doing all your sets with one exercise, consider that by the 10th set, you have to be able to perform the reps

that you're looking for. So if you normally do three sets of bench press with X amount of pounds, you're gonna have to go a lot lighter if you plan on doing 10 sets of that exercise. Well, especially if you never do it, that you, I think that's a mistake I make a lot, right? When I do these, I think that's a mistake I make a lot right. When I do these interrupt

my training with a 10 set day, like the GBT type of training, and a typical training, programming for me is somewhere between the three to maybe five or six set ranges, where I, so jump in all the way to 10 or 12, you really overestimate what you can do, you know, say, and it's amazing how adapted the body gets to these amount of sets. And that always is such a reminder to me. It's just like, I don't think on that much weaker, but I'm so used to stopping it like set five,

and then I don't have to do it anymore of that. When I push six, seven, eight sets and something like that, I get dramatically weaker. But this always for me, it just highlights such that different mindset going into these different structures. Like it's just, it was so different for me to just get in and like, you know, you kind of get into the groove

when you get more of a, a lot more reps, like you're able to kind of like work your way into the rep. In a sense versus like, I really had to like laser focus and then get ready and then perform, you know, for just that one reps. Oh, you did 10 singles or whatever? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I love that.

I love that. Yeah, it's so awesome. So, how, Kay, you didn't say 12 sets of, I mean 12 exercises of one set. You could do that too. You could, but would you make the case I would, make the case that that is, I think anything under two and even two is pushing it. I know in some of our already face stuff we go two sets. Yeah.

But you would have to be pretty, like, advanced to the point where you could get into the groove with one set. A lot of people need to do one set before they can do another set. Well, I would make this case, though. I'd actually say it's the two extremes. Either you'd have to be very advanced or so new that just touching, you know, I'm saying that you get stimulus and change from that, right?

So I feel like the two-inch of the spectrum could get away with one set of an exercise, one or two sets of an exercise because if you're extremely brand new and a squat or anything one set of them and There's a good chance that you'll you'll get sore and you'll feel that even if they if they aren't the most effect done Effectively, right then the other in extreme If you're really really advanced and you can you've already maybe primed your body and you can get connected really well Maybe you can get some better challenges like most people can't think of 12 exercises. You know, like 12 shoulder exercises, like, you know what I mean?

Yeah, unless you're a trainer, that'd be pretty tough for somebody. I don't like personally. I don't like going less than three. And again, I know that in our pre-phase, we do two sets that obviously for the thought process behind that is a brand new person. That's a total exception of the rule. But it, even with my priming, I still feel like I want about one set

to really get in the groove. I isolation movements I could do less. Because those are pretty easy to jump into. That's a good point. You know, like a cable movement or a... That's a good point. Yeah, the compound stuff I agree with you. Same thing.

That's personal preference. But my point is that I think we get it, I did the same, we all did this. You get stuck in your pattern and you think change exercises, change reps, maybe change total volume, but nobody thinks that they could go in and do less sets, more exercises or less exercises, and more sets and hit the same volume. That's something that most people don't think about. This is why you brought up GVT, which is German volume training, what they'll tell you to do 10 sets of 10 reps of an exercise or 10 sets of five reps of an exercise. This is why when people switch

over to it, they get such crazy gains because it's so radically different from what they're used to, that it's so novel. So you're advanced, you're working out for three, four years, and you've never done this before. Try it and watch what happens. Your body all of a sudden responds. All right, so I'm gonna go at the risk of Adam going off onto a tangent, because I know the AI conversation's been long. That's what I mean.

So far we haven't gotten any complaint, or at least I haven't gotten a complaint yet. Most people seem to be interested. So that's the thing we're all, yeah, dude. It's a big shift, you know. I'm sure people are all speculating right now what's gonna happen here. And to be fair, everybody's talking about it.

So I'm empty. I really like to tease you though. Dude, I just learned something about AI that is remarkable. I didn't even think of, and this is just highlights, there's so much that we don't even consider, the possibilities that we don't even consider. So check this out, when pharmaceutical companies

are creating new drugs to try to target a particular receptor or to treat a particular disorder or symptom, there's two main ways that they will test a particular drug or new compound. There's what's called in vitro. And in vitro is in a petri dish or a test tube. Okay, so vitro meaning glass. Then there's in vivo, which means it's in a living organism.

So an animal, and then of course, human testing. So in vivo, in vitro, well, they have a way of testing now that AI is starting to make, like not just possible, but this is going to be how pharmaceutical companies are going to narrow down their pipeline. So let me back up for a second. A pipeline is pharmaceutical company gets their scientists together and they come up with a hundred different concepts for different molecules and compounds that may target a particular

receptor. And then through that, they have to pick the ones that they're going to test in vitro and that's expensive. And then through that, it narrows down. And so there's potentially thousands and thousands of possibilities that they're going to test in vitro and that's expensive and then through that it narrows down. And so there's potentially thousands and thousands of possibilities that they never test because they're too risky, it's too expensive. And when you're a farmer company, the FDA process is, it's like a billion dollars to take something from concept to market through all the trials, which means if you're a pharmaceutical

company, let's say you're going to make a pain drug and your options are an opiate, so a different type of opiate. And then this new radical, different compound that is something we've never tried before. You're not going to take that risk because you're like, I'm not going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars on something that's probably going to fail. Opiates, we know they work and whatever, so we're just going to stick with this particular compound. Well, now they're doing what's called in silica. So AI is able to now take a compound in the computer and test it through the computer, simulate through the computer.

Like you're doing it in vitro or in vivo. So you guys remember Ironman, like when Ironman was testing like compounds and he's doing the thing with his hands and he's testing different things, that's what they were showing in there, is that he's basically his computer is testing compounds before he ever tests it in real life. AI is going to be able to do that now.

So they're going to be able to go in, have a target receptor or a protein or a pathway and say we want to work with this pathway, we want to agonize this receptor and antagonize this receptor, affect this particular pathway, whatever. Here's all these different options. Here's 150 different.

Different on all labs that they've been able to collect and record. And then it just takes a little bit more. They'll be able to take a molecule, change it in the computer, plug it in, how's that going to work? Oh, it doesn't work, change it this way. Or the AI itself is going to say,

we're going to figure out, you'll, you'll, you'll sit, you'll put the molecule in or the compound. And the AI itself will make it work for whatever target you're looking. Then it'll spit out. Here are five ways or five different compounds or molecules with a, according to our testing, 98% effective rate. Now the pharma company can take those out of thousands of options and test them in vitro and save tremendous amounts of money and just open up the doors for potential drug discoveries. Just an immediate disruption. It's crazy.

I don't think people realize just how radical. It's such a, like you said, the barried entry, it's insane. The billions of dollars you have to pour into test something So was that unlocks like all new potential for different compounds? We are we are on the verge of a breakthrough in biology and in medicine That's gonna be it's gonna make antibiotics look like vitamins it's gonna blow our minds because because what's going to happen is once we

absolutely ate mold. Yeah, no more prize. Exactly. Accidents. Yeah. They were all accidents. So we're going to be able to put in a receptor, a pathway into the AI and then say create five potential, you know, compounds that can affect whatever we're looking for and show us the ones with over 95% accuracy that you think whatever and then it'll spit them out. They'll be okay with the drugs. I'm not sure. The script did. Hmm. Saving too much.

Billions and billions and billions of dollars of development. Can we slow down? Yeah. So, It's all this year. So wild, right? It's going to be this year. I mean this year we're going to see I think when everybody kind of wakes completely up.

Obviously it is popular a lot of people are talking about, but there's still a lot of people that don't. When I did that post the other day, at least half of the messages I got were, what is that? Or, how do I do that? Or, oh, tell me more, like, there's a lot of people that still are not, you know, privy to exactly what it's doing. I think, unless you've gone on chat GBT and play with it, I don't think you really can grasp the capabilities of it. And then also how to, I'm still challenging myself on to think this way, right? Like we have so many habits of like how we would solve problems,

you know ourselves, that I'm trying to train myself every time I have that better question, right? Right, so I mean, here's another one, right? So Katrina, talking to me yesterday, she has interviews today and we're looking for somebody for the apparel side of the business. And she's like, hey, and she knows that for a long period of of my career, a lot of it was spent doing interviews. And so, you know, I've learned some good things to ask in interviews for getting, you know, out the character of the person and so like that. And so she's, hey, could you sit down with me and help me prepare for some of

these interviews that I'm going to do? I said, have you thought about using chat GBT? And she's like, how would I use that for an interview? I'm like, okay, well, prompt it first to ask, what are the best characteristics for somebody to have an apparel business? Or what are the best characteristics for a- have an apparel business? Or what are the best characteristics for a... What are the questions I should ask somebody? And then after it gives you the characteristics of what makes a successful apparel line or what about that, then ask how to ask questions

to get those answers from somebody and then ask it to limit you to 10 questions or whatever, the top 10 questions to ask for those characteristics and now you have basically an interview. 10 seconds. And yeah, just instantly. And I'm like, now I have the ability, because I've been doing it for a long time, to probably sit down with you for an hour and formulate that.

But I mean, you could literally prompt chat GBT with maybe two or three different unique prompts and get a better, probably interview than I would probably give you. At least a baseline, then you can. I mean, so add to it or subtract. So that's what I mean. I mean, that's, it just is learning to think like that. Like, you know, how, so I've really tried to be, you know, cognizant of that as we go through the day now

when there's like little things, it's like, okay, well, yeah, I'm gonna, I would go search or read or reach out to someone and ask, well, what if I prompt chat, I would go search or read or reach out to someone and ask, well, what if I prompt chat GBT to get to the bottom of it? Well, I just, just productivity, yeah, it makes perfect sense. I just read an article, so you guys note the singularity is, well, in physics, the singularity is like, when you pass, what's the note is the event horizon

in a black hole where you go pass the event horizon and the singularity is the point of a black hole where the gravity is so strong, nothing can escape or whatever, but they've taken that term and used it for AI. And I think it was Ray Kurzweil who came up with it first. And the singularity with technology is when AI gets so intelligent that it can create AI smarter than itself.

And they call that the singularity because there's no turning back. At that point, AI will evolve so rapidly that we will be left in the dust. Once you can design things smarter than itself, and then that can design things smarter than self, then that's it. We don't do anything anymore. And so there's this organization in Rome, this, I think it's a university if I'm not mistaken. And that's what these scientists do is they come up with ways to figure out when would this potential singularity happen? Well, they just came up with the number. Seven years.

They think that in seven years that their best calculation is within seven years we will reach the singularity with AI technology. In that wild. I liked when it was like 25 years. I had a little bit of like chill about it, man. But it does seem like that. Everything's moving so quickly. That's not that far of a speculation. Now when you guys sit in like ponder on this, I'm sure we all do think about this outside of here.

Do you go more the optimistic or pessimistic view of it? Like do you naturally gravitate and go like, man, you start thinking of all the negative things or all the things that boy, this could be dangerous and lead this way, or do you have more of the attitude like, wow, this is gonna be really interesting. All the things that's going to dissolve and fix and help. Unfortunately, I kind of go to,

well, you're the anti-Christ believer of the day. I so I know where you go. Well, because I painted history. So there's civilizations hit a peak. And this is a peak that we're facing. So I don't know a civilization that survived once we've hit this kind of a monumental shift. And so it scares the hell out of me to be honest with you.

But I think that you're gonna have, I'm gonna have to listen to somebody that can sell me on all of the benefits to it, like long-term, to really kind of like pull me out of that dark place. Yeah, I could flip or flop back and forth, depending on my mood. So on the positive side, I'm like, okay, we now have, we're pretty close to having the potential to solve

all of our biggest challenges like energy travel food productivity efficiency, you know that kind of stuff and then the other side and this is more recent is that I can get negative with the I guess the philosophical moral question, which is, if, you know, if every person has the ability to get everything they want, if every person can walk around with a genie, like, imagine if every human had a genie right now, like, that would be a

disaster. What would that be like? And at best, we're going to be challenged with things that we don't even, we can't even fully comprehend. Like for example Elon Musk just did a, he did a post a couple days ago where he said, like two of the most, I don't remember what the other one was, but one of them was like two of the worst curses, one would be to live forever and people were debating him. And I'm like, no, that would be a curse.

Like lots of meaning is provided because life is finite. We humans have never lived forever. I don't think we can even conceptualize what challenge that would place on us if we lived forever. If we just lived forever, what would that do to us? It would be a philosophical boy, would that be a challenge for us? Yeah, I think it depends on the person you're speaking to as well and where they are in their journey in their life.

So if there's a paycheck to paycheck, there's a lot of crazy struggle, this could be a godsend in the future in terms of alleviating them of this constant grind and being on the hamster wheel of like trying to make it work. You know, like this is going to help resolve like a lot of people's who are like in the trenches in terms of like trying to make sense out of like purpose and like making. But again, to like thinking long term, I just I feel like we're're gonna lose sense of our own purpose, our own driver,

and will to make sense out of why we're here. Yeah. I mean, you gotta think that the fact that you can walk in and switch on a heater or turn a flight switch and my fireplace comes on, or I can have somebody else fix my plumbing when it goes. I mean, you have to, You got to think that there's there's a scary bad side to all of those even simple things Yes, just adapt to to right like if I had to build my home

I would be fucked right if I was out and if I had to go hunt for my food I would be fucked there and I and we've just let go of those skills. And so if you were to travel back, you know, thousands of years and say, this is what I'm gonna, you're not gonna be able to do a start of fire. I'm not gonna be able to build a home. I'm not gonna be able to hunt food. They'd be like, oh, you'd be, you're gonna be decimated. You're never gonna survive.

You'll never live. So I always try and put myself into that frame too, that, okay. That's how I see it right now, because it seems like how could we give up the skill of critical thinking and learning and reading and so like that. I mean, audio books came out, I'm sure there was a fear of like, oh my God, we're gonna lose how to read,

because these books just read to you now. No, you're making a good point. I think anytime we think of something radically changing, it sounds scary, because we don't know what to anticipate. But I don't know. I think historically, whenever we've solved one problem, there's just other problems on the other end of it. Like we solved food in modern societies,

and now we have obesity. So not saying one is better than the other. No, you're right. That will be both. There just be a little more on the extremes of like, pure euphoria and pure hell. I just see it in terms of things that we're going to be challenged with the whole new thing that we probably didn't even consider.

There'll be some people that will really take advantage of it, and there'll be some people that will be completely decimated by it. Yeah, I, that's how I think. That's how I'm plugged and plugged in. Yeah, no, I definitely, I think we're gonna, it's gonna be like that. But I definitely think that there's going to be, it's going to solve some more problems than,

I mean, think about how crazy the internet was, like how many problems that solved it, how many things it made better, but then look at all the things that we're seeing now with kids and pornography and like there's there's a lot of really bad dark sides of the internet and what so that's exactly what's going to happen with this I feel like it's going to maybe arguably solve more problems and make more things in life better than maybe anything that we've seen in our lifetime, but it's the same in the same token or same breath. In terms of struggle.

It will create new problems that we never even knew would probably. Here's the positive side, I'll say. Maybe it pushes humanity to progress psychologically, philosophically, in a philosophical way and spiritually, because we will reach a point where we're gonna get everything that we want.

So, why am I saying this? Because if we get everything that we want and we're left sad and anxious and depressed, then maybe then people will start to look in that direction. Okay, well, we got everything and I'm still feeling this way. So it might do that, right? It might just drive us to a positive progress. So I agree. Now that that's the one pessimistic or scary thing that I see. And that's just because we will, it'll be our lifetime and probably

our kids lifetime. They'll have to go through the shit for us to look back on history and go like, remember when we thought we wanted everything? Like, it's not gonna happen quick. That's not gonna have a quick. I mean, it's gonna be... Yeah, we don't learn fast like, I know. No, I mean, it took, you know, almost 30 years of my life

of chasing this dollar amount that I thought was going to make me happy. And then when I got there, it doesn't matter how brilliant of a person could sat me down and said, listen, you're going to realize that this is not it. No, fuck you. I need to find out for myself. Oh, and then justifying, I'm looking my life. It's so amazing. I'm having such a good time. So, you know, to me, that's a small example of what our entire society is going to have to go through for probably decades before we can then reflect on it and go. Remember when we thought we wanted everything.

Unless the AI can simulate and teach you that. Can simulate it. If we go on this path, what's going to look like in 25 years and then it spits it out. Now we would have to accept it and be like, okay, I think that's, we're going to believe this. So, I mean, I don that's, we're gonna believe this. So, I mean, I don't know. It's so wide open, right? I think this has been one of those things

that like philosophers and people have been trying to kind of anticipate because like the whole argument of do we even have free will, right? Or is it all predestined? Yeah. It's like, we're getting so close to that point where we may actually lose all free will if we completely abandoned you know our own autonomy in terms of like the way that we cognitively

rationalize thing and think our own way through it versus like dependency on machine. You know, it's weird about this Is that old wisdom is so it just never goes away. Oh, it's so applicable like the like the eating the apple in it just never goes away. It's so applicable. Like eating the apple in the Garden of Eden, that story of knowledge, right? And then what that created, Pandora's Box, a story of Pandora's Box opening it up for all the knowledge. And then it's, oh, we can't close it now.

We're totally screwed. It's just so funny how, like, they've known this for thousands of years. We've talked about this and the dangers, or the potential dangers I should say. And yet, here we are. That's pretty. But it's coming. I'll get the popcorn out.

Yeah. All right. Adam, I want to ask you about your move because I know you've been you've been moving and that's a pain in the ass and you had to do all the moving yourself. We did. I shouldn't say we didn't do all of it ourselves. We contracted about a quarter of it out, all the heavy stuff, which was really funny to do with this.

Justin and I appreciate that, buddy. Yeah, I didn't call you guys, right? It's a good friend. A good friend doesn't call another friend for a move. That's what I'm going to start with. For a ride in the airport. Yeah, yeah. Good friends don't do that to their good friends, you know?

So I didn't call them bug you guys. I'll tell you a funny story since today we, this episode's brought to you by Sleep Me. So this is a great commercial for them because we got all of our stuff. We're all situated and got our bed set up, got our sleep me set up and everything. And I always talk about how they save marriages. Well, they could also cause a divorce in a marriage too, right?

Cause Katrina woke up like enraged at me because I didn't, when I moved, I didn't like tag you. Which was also her side for us. And we didn't have Wi-Fi, so I couldn't go in and change it. So she wakes up in like three, five o'clock in the morning. Like, she every goal, like,

I got your ulla, she's like so pissed. And I was over there hot, though, sweating because of hers. I was all pissed off. So I didn't even think about it. Didn't even dawn on me like that. I might have, yeah, I might have flipped off them on accident. Isn't that funny how individual that is? Yeah, yeah.

Freezing for you, sleep good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hop for her sleep. Oh, yeah. She woke up, oh, she woke up shaking me up, all mad at me, so I thought, I've got your ulla. It's freezing over here woke up all she woke up shaking me awake. Oh, mad at me. So I thought I've got your alerts freezing over here. So what you guys do just switch sides and I haven't even switched it.

That just happened literally just happened. And so I but we we get Wi-Fi handled. So I'll be able to go in and you have you messed with the feature where it warms up towards the morning to wake you up. Yeah. So that's so that's how minus set minus set to you get into bed and it gets really, really cool. And now the reason why we didn't know this was because we had plugged them in that night. Oh.

So it didn't get time. It just started getting like two hours. Yeah, it kicked on. And so we didn't really know what either side was going to produce until long, we'd already fall in a sleep, right? But mindset, to get the coolest setting setting and I set it to normally two hours before when I have Wi-Fi to control of it. I have it set to kick on.

I'm really cold. And then at like, I think I have it at five in the morning, five, 30 or so, it starts to slowly warm up and then hits its peak towards like hot. Just wait for it to get up normal. Yeah, if I'm not at a bed by six, 30, my bed's like, it will make me wake up. It'll be so, so warm inside there. It's so cool because it simulates how we evolved to wake up with getting warm. You know, I try, you know, Katrina listens to the show and she knows that and I know she's

heard us tout all the health benefits of sleeping cold with that. She still ignores all that and she sleeps hot the whole way through it. I'm just like, how do you do that? She's like, I don't feel hot. I'm like, I don't know how you don't feel hot. It's like 90 on your side. So I just posted this to him on Twitter. There was a Rasmussen report.

You guys know what Rasmussen is? Okay, so this is a polling company. And they do polls and they're, I mean, there are people respect them. They do polls for like elections, who mean, they're, you know, people respect them. They do polls for like elections, who's gonna win, polls on what people think on policy, what people think about certain things happening in the world. And I mean, they're so accurate that they'll influence

Vegas odds and they'll influence politicians, okay? So, Rasmus in posted on people who got the COVID vaccine, seven percent, okay, so seven percent of people, according to Rasmussen, got side effects from the vaccine that were bad enough to have to go back to the doctor, the hospital, and or take time off work. Wow, okay. So, with that right there, now that's,

is it, Sal, isn't this CDC right now launching a big old, yeah, on strokes, right? Yeah, potential strokes. Okay. So we were potentially going to see a lot of stuff come out. Well, so, so, so based on that data, and then add to that the data that would accept, this is all accepted data. So that that 7% isn't accepted. That's based off of a trusted poll source. But let's just put that aside. Add to that the data of how effective the vaccines are, how long they last in terms of their effectiveness, and whether or not they prevent transmission,

which they don't. And then you add to that the profit of these vaccines. What we have currently are simultaneously, this is wild when you think about it. We have simultaneously the most dangerous based on these side effects, based off the Rasmus and pole, the most dangerous least effective, because these vaccines will provide with protection for like three months. They don't reduce, they don't stop transmission, you still transmit it, least effective, and also simultaneously most profitable vaccines.

I think in history. Of all time. I think in history. So most dangerous, least effective, most profitable. This is insane. Yeah, and see, I was always promoting vaccine, but the one thing for me, and this was not really that controversial for me in the beginning,

it was just like, why is this protected from any investigation before it even was like mandated? I'm like, you know, to have this kind of like safe asylum and, you know, no real human trials, like I didn't have enough time to adequately go through the normal process of being able to find these kind of side effects. And then it's just pushed through. That was enough of a red flag for me to wait. Yeah, and you were not in a category of people

where you were high risk. You don't have- That's the other bit of it is you're not old, you're healthy, you know, you know, well, again, I would consider it if I was unhealthy based in that. Not all this stuff coming out. And at least in my family, my circle friends,

so I thought, I don't have anybody that's changing their tunes still. Oh, you do. Yeah, I have some family members that got it and they're like, I wish I didn't. Oh, because they were healthy. I haven't heard that. I've just, I've heard the double in doubt.

Like I've had friends now that like, they got, they've now finally got COVID once or twice and they're like, oh man, thank God I was vaccinated because I probably would have died because that was so sick. Well, I got it. I'm just like, well, or maybe it would have been the same. Well, based on the current data, if you're older and you have cold morbidities, then there's a protective effect.

If you're young and healthy, there seems to be a no net positive. And it's just based off of what I've read. And in some cases, and that negative, if you look at this is accepted data. So, but the part that blows me away is, first off, just based off of what's accepted under normal circumstance.

Obviously, we push these through very quickly, pandemic, right? Governments like we need to get these through. But under normal circumstances, these particular vaccines would have never passed, try ever, because the standards for vaccines is so high, it's so high that you could have one or two, you could have like two or three cases of something happening amongst, you know,

50,000 test participants and they'll halt it. So it would have never passed, but it's wild. It's wild, it's the most profitable on top of all this stuff. It's pretty wild. And this is again, it's a Rasmussen poll, so it's not a scientific study. But if it comes out that 7%, or even 5%, 2%, if 2% of people had side effects that were bad enough

that they had to go to back to the doctor hospital, misworked epidemiol, that sucks. that's a terrible, that's terrible. Yeah, there's been some examples of, you know, people, public figures of people kind of coming out and saying like, you know, admitting that, you know, at this point, it looks like it was the wrong decision. Scott Adams.

Scott Adams came out. Scott Adams came out. EdtivX was one. He said they won because he said, when you don't trust people who don't trust the government and big business, especially when they're partnered, he says you almost always can't go wrong.

And I agree, historically, when they partner together, that's like the unholy reliance. Yeah. And you know, that's when you, now you know, if you listen to our podcast, you listen back, you know, I was I was I'd be on the fence I go back and forth, but I would look at the data and consider my health to well

You know, I'm not in this category of people were I'm really high risk So I think I'll wait is what I kept saying I think I'll wait I think I'll be advocating for our own You know thoughts and their own health. Yeah, it's like I gotta be my own advocate. Pretty, it's pretty wild. Have you guys, have you guys listened to, uh, uh, Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about it with his, I heard him in Patrick Bet David. He, he has a fundamental misunderstanding of what freedom is. I'm talking about Neil, Neil, uh, deGrasse, fundamental. He, his understanding, which is wrong is that, you know, you are not free to get somebody sick.

So you have to get that. First off, that's not how it works. You are free to take your own risks, meaning in a world with diseases that are out there, me, I have the freedom to go out and to meet with people or talk with people or not. Also, if you own a business or a home, you should have the freedom to put a sign on your door

that says you can't come in here unless you're vaccinated or you can't come to my house unless you're vaccinated or vice versa, that's freedom. Freedom is not, go out and then, oh, you can't get me sick therefore you're infringing on my freedom. No, no, no, no, you're free for yourself, not for other people.

That's how it works. You had a complete, he completely doesn't understand it. Yeah, I really thought I was surprised that Patrick Betteva didn't go harder in that angle with him. He got more into a debate with him about the efficacy of the actual vaccine and stuff like that. And if the process of how they do it, and so it turned into him defending, like listen,

this, where it's at now, it doesn't matter. We did it the best way we could have done it back then. And so they got into that argument back and forth where he didn't jump all over what he said about freedom. And I thought, I think you're right. I think that would have been the argument. It's just like, that's not what freedom is. Like you can't force somebody else to do that

for the sake of your health and your family's health. If you're that concerned, stay in your fucking cave. Stay in your cave and hide with your family as you have the right to do. And again, if you own businesses and homes and your neighborhood and everybody decides is what we wanna do, you should have the freedom of saying nobody can come in here

unless you're vaccinated or unvaccinated or whatever. That's how freedom works. So he had a fundamental misunderstanding of it and that annoyed the hell out of me. But he did make good points. It's like we didn't know during this period of time. We didn't know and we were pushing these things through and it was kind of scary and I get that.

So, you know, I'm not like hammering people during that period of time. But now, now, like people who advocate for children to wear masks now, and I say children because there is a medical protocol to wearing masks. And if you don't have the right protocol, it doesn't help. If you touch it wrong and touch your face

and don't use the same mask over and over again, then it doesn't work. So to force kids to wear masks, if you advocate for that now, you're an idiot. And I have no sympathy for you. Now adults, you can make your arguments or whatever, but I don't know. Do you know any adults that handled masks according to medical protocol and didn't use the same one over and over again and then touch them like like you know so but with kids if you advocate for kids You know third graders like get get out of here, you know your fears as harming children because you're a coward. Yeah

That's my opinion you know speaking of a freedom you remind me of You know the eye pencil thing, okay? That I've heard you tie lost so many times. I'm feeling freedman said that. Do you know? Did you know that's not Milton Friedman's? Yeah, I know. He quoted someone else. Yeah, I didn't know that. I've heard that so many times. And I know you tell that story.

It's actually from the 50s from a guy named Litter-Dread. It was an essay that he wrote. I had no idea about that. That's a whole essay on it. Yeah. Yeah. I found, I don't know how I came across. Oh, you know what it was. I was reading this, uh, Tuttle Twins ad and went down the the rabbit hole of all the books and stuff. They stuff because for Max and everything. So I get hit with some of

their stuff because I bought books for him. And I was just really interested in. And then they start sharing the the the pencil story. And they rewrote it, which then and you know, attributed it Milton Friedman, who then he said, like, well, then it really originally came from a guy named Leonard Reed. It just really highlights how well, like, how markets encourage people to work together, who've never met each other, don't have the same beliefs. And for anyone's never seen, it's a very short, classic four minutes long, three minutes long. Anyone who hasn't seen it, maybe we'll attach it to the sun, YouTube.

You can watch it, but it's brilliant. It's the first video I saw of Milton Friedman, and then I became a huge fan of his watch. That was the first one. First one I saw it on YouTube, and I'm like, what? And then I watched all his stuff. I read his books and everything. It was great. It was pretty awesome. Anyway, speaking of science and stuff, you know Caldera runs their own tests on their skincare products. Oh nice. And in their all, third party, I mean, they're all, you know, cross-reference or whatever.

96% of people who use their skin, so 96% of men who use their skincare products report getting better skin, 96%. And this is studies, these are studies that they actually put together. So they do, that's a huge deal. Well, I think the last time we had an ad firm, I think one of the things that I was pointing out

of why it's done so well with our audience, it's one of those things that you see the immediate return. I mean, that's like one of the things that is such a great selling point for any product. Like, you know, how many times have you bought something and it's like, oh, you gotta take it for a while or wait till this, it's like, that's one of those things that you, you use and then like instantly look in the mirror like, oh, wow, that looks different

and looks better. Like, and so I think that's why. Yeah, just build more credibility when you actually use it and it's just one of those probably, you have to like actually physically go through that process in order to really become like an in-avid consumer of it. Yeah, I told you guys, have you been watching this power slap league that Dana White invested in? Yeah, I heard you, okay, you made a comment about this, if he jumped the shark, you said that. I don't know, I don't know if I agree or not.

Like, I don't know if I would consider that jumping the shark. I don't know, man. Have you watched it? I mean, I have and I saw the guy, the guy who got really injured just recently, and it is- The guy, the one guy's face was like this big on one side. I prefer the ones where I saw these girls that just slap each of his butts instead. No, that's not.

I support that one. Not this face like melting like pouring, like I'm like, dude, he's ruined this guy's face. Yeah, he's so cute. So, this is a butt slapping Lee. Yeah, that's hilarious. That's amazing. Yeah, so, there's a butt slapping Lee. Yeah, that's hilarious. That's amazing. There's something for everybody now, man.

They're really, I don't know. I think Dana White jumped a shark, dude. It's, I do not know. Well, what's okay, do you know, do you even know how, maybe Doug could look to suffer us? Like, how invested is he? Like, I wanna know how much,

like, he's actually risking and like, is it really like a, because I mean, he could be, he could be hardly leveraged at all to be in that. And he's just, you know, it's kind of like his partnership with UFC gyms. I mean, I think that's like, I doubt he's like the major controller of all the decisions. Maybe he's just got a little bit of a... But you know, someone who represents fighting the purity, because he always, he's always hammering these other leagues about how they don't have good fighters, it's not fighting. And then he invest in power slap?

Well, do you think it's a response to, you know, sort of this circus freak show thing that Paul Brothers has created? Yes, I do. You know, he's just like, oh, well, they're profiting, you know, my as well, fights. That's an interesting thing. I do. That's an interesting theory. 100% from bad.

Oh, that's an interesting theory. I like that. That this is his response to like this This new fight league division type stuff that's coming out with them like that's you know I'm especially for like Instagram and all that like you're gonna see probably a lot more influencers getting in this thing And just getting the slap So much of that now I can't even keep up. It's crazy how there is a fight seems like every week of some other influencer person that is fighting another influencer person that's.

You know, people think though, like because you're slapping someone that you can't give them brain damage or something. Oh my God. Like, first of all, if you hit somebody defending it, you're just taking it. You might not break their skin like with a punch, but you hit someone with a punt, like especially the heel of your hand on their jaw,

on their chin, you put him to sleep, you brain it and they're just taking it. Like they have to, that's the, it's the boss, boss root and fucking slab, you're out, dude lights out. Oh, I know.

But I watched some of it. There was one dude, his face was, I couldn't watch it because his face looks so deformed. Yeah. And he kept getting hit and that deformed side. I was like, oh, He actually won that one. Yeah.

That's what tripped me out. And he said, he won $5,000. He did all that from $5,000. I know. His doctor bills are gonna be more than that. Like, come on. I like how they chalk up their hand. So when they hit each other,

you just see the smoke that's like the best. Nope. Okay. You know, speaking of business, did I hear you say that Kim Kardashian was getting heat for speaking at Harvard for business? She's smoking Harvard. And I guess some people at Harvard didn't want her to speak, which I

think is fun. So Harvard Business School, she's talking about business. She knows more about business than most of their professors. That's my opinion. She's a brilliant business person. She really is. So some people were all pissed off. It's things to say that, but it's true.

It is true. Yeah. I mean, she's built massive businesses, and yes, she's got her following and all that stuff, but you can only go so far with that. Yeah, but that's why she built it. Yeah. She built it with the intent to, you know,

use it to monetize. I mean, it goes all the way back to their parents. I mean, they saw that as a strategy early on it was it was more about the the ability for them to make money and and make business but you can only go so far right she has like it doesn't isn't one of her businesses a billion dollars isn't one of them worth a billion dollars i think she yeah her net worth is 1.8 billion like you don't, you could become a millionaire with fame, okay? So you could be famous and people know you

and you become a millionaire, but to become a billionaire, you have to know what you're doing. Because to go from 100 million, to a billion, just since 2014, from 2004. I mean, I love to use the second analogy that I use the other day for something like this to highlight the point you're making right now Like the difference between a a million seconds a billion seconds and a trillion seconds to the leaps are Unbelievable so when people just like discount somebody who's worth millions of dollars like oh well

She started with million her family's rich and she has millions and now she's worth a billion like do you understand? The gap between that? It's crazy. It's far easier to go from zero to a million than it is to go from a hundred million to a billion. It's a hundred million to a billion. I could give 10,000 people a hundred million dollars and none of them would turn it into a billion dollars.

That's how hard it is. So for her to be worth a billion, $1.8 billion, it's yes, she's famous and people know her so she can use that and leverage it. She knows business. She knows business. She knows business. She knows business.

She knows business. She knows business. She knows business. She knows business. She knows business. She knows business. She knows business. She knows business.

She knows business. I mean, were they mad about her coming in? Or were they mad about like the speech she delivered? Or were they mad about like the speech she delivered? Or were they mad about like the speech she delivered? Or were they mad about like the speech she delivered? Or were they mad about like the speech she delivered? Or were they mad about like the speech she delivered? Or were's a, she's a, she's a drama reality show. Yeah, but she have a lot of agree. She also has a lot of agree. I think she passed the bar. Really?

Yeah, Doug looking up. I'm almost positive. I mean, you guys, your house is the house that's washing the Kardashians, not even so. I don't like, I'm not gonna argue with you on this one. You got me though. Well, there was that whole thing with her mom, like, who's it, what if for,

who's her first boyfriend that had the sex tape? Anyway, that came out clean was like, her mom put it out there deliberately. Doug, she's got a what if for, who's the first boyfriend that had the sex tape? Anyway, that came out clean was like, her mom put it out there deliberately. Doug, she's got a lot of agree, right? Yeah, in 2021, she passed, oh, what, just recently passed the bar. You know who else just recently passed the bar? Chad, GBT.

Yeah. Yeah, dude. It also got an NBA. Yes. Yes. It's messed up, dude. Yeah, that's so messed up. Yeah.

Yeah. So poor. They're gonna have to create AI anymore. They're gonna have to create AI to be able to find AI. You know what I mean? Like you'll turn in your test and the teachers can use AI to make sure that's what they're already have. That's out already.

So they already have software out that's already making its rounds and it's already behind. Somebody's gonna make a lot of money on that's what it's already behind somebody's gonna Make a lot of money on that for schools and so that just schools are gonna have to adopt it because there's this whole idea of Everybody has to write in in class is gonna only last so long They have to do homework they have to do you know I'm saying so they're gonna have to find out I wonder about that right like because I know I told you my brother's approach to that and look what they're doing this school

But like I mean how much of it can you do? Like, if you're doing a math equation and then you have to like show your work and like do all that, like go back to like the old school way of, you know, proving with just pen and paper. I mean, there's lighting essays and yeah, I mean, I imagine that's, you're gonna have to do the same thing. Like show me your notes, show me your brainstorming,

show all these things with it in order to prove because, oh, you have to do the same thing. Like show me your notes, show me your brainstorming, show all these things with it in order to prove, because, oh, you have to do it in front of me. Otherwise, how much are you gonna learn otherwise? And even then, like the example I gave with how I have Katrina getting right from the interview, I could still show you the work of putting that together to make it look like that. We formulated it, or we thought of most of it.

I'm saying so it doesn't. It's gonna be interesting how they try and stuff. I guess it's narrowed down. You have to narrow down to this, there's the value in learning for the sake of learning, and then there's value in learning for the sake of your value in the market, how you support yourself, right? So you can learn all kinds of awesome stuff,

and it improves your character, it gives you depth, helps you grow as a person, but not necessarily improve, or help your market viability. So in other words, if you need to learn something in school to give you skills for the market, at what point is it just learning how to prompt and use AI?

Like at one point is that that, and not show me the work, show me by hand, like what use is that gonna be in the market? When the market requires none of that. Courtney and I have speculated, even before all this chat GBT stuff of like, there's just gonna be an influx of developers, programmers, everybody's so focused on building these aspects.

It's just gonna be over-saturated. So we're like, I'm okay if the boys wanna go and go trade school route and literally get back to the basics of being electrician, being a plumber, being somebody that is relevant. And we know so many electricians and plumber that are crushing it right now, making a lot of money.

Well, I mean, it's such a shit on profession, which I think is hilarious to me. Well, no, you make a good point out the, it's how interesting when that be of like blue color work makes a comeback because that's where A.I.A.s, we're not going to be out of deficit there. Where the robots are going to take over a lot of the blue color work at the bill robots. Now, the, now, the, it will assist electricians. I'm probably trouble shooting like things and so that and make the, but you'll still need some, but Along those lines you just remind me something. I know our audience is probably tired of this conversation

But so did you see the job of juice? Oh, I did. Did you see that? Yeah, it was all automated 100% yeah 100% You go in you order in a computer and it makes that the machine makes it's like a key arm It's like a kiosk and you walk up and you order it and then it does, it's a little arm, robotic arm and it blends it, makes it, waits for you to pay it then serves it to you. All I think I read that it up to 12 or 18. It's so worth, can't you know, 18 different,

you know, Jamba Juice drinks that it makes right now. So Jamba Juice is full, I mean, look out to see those. All over the place. I was listening to all-in podcast, and they were talking about AI engineers. Based on these AI companies, and how much they're getting bought for and valued,

they calculated that the average AI engineer is worth two million dollars. So I totally conveyed this to my son, because he's going off to call it. Okay, by the way, AI engineers right now, like there's the worth so much money. So you're going to go to computer science, maybe if you're interested, go into AI science. For sure. Wow. And you know, yeah, yeah. Kind of cool, right? You know, speaking of tech, did you see the the January total for layoffs? What would it have been? What was it? For intact 55,000 people, just in January alone.

Is that a lot because I looked at the unemployment numbers they look good. Yeah, they still I hear that there's there's there's there's a I mean are they messing with the numbers are they taking people out who aren't looking anymore in or I mean like yeah you know they do how are they parsing that I mean I just there's still a lot more to come that's for sure you know it's not it's it's not done anytime soon. So I heard it was somewhat skewed because of, you know, they're not really interviewing a lot of these people that, like, I have no desire to go back to work. Like, it's sort of like, there was this, uh, lol of like, um, after pandemic where there was, like,

a substantial amount of people, it just weren't. So that, that's what they say. One of the most interesting stats right now is the amount of unemployed people to the amount of available jobs. Yeah. There's plenty of work, but the opportunity's there, but it's not. Which is, which is weird, because that's not normally the case.

Normally what happens in the recession, you have just a bunch of savings. Like, how are they able to do that? Yeah, like, like, mortgageing, like, that's, that have to be. I mean, credit card debt is at all time, a hit highs. You have more equity in the average home than ever so yeah people are living off of fake money, right? Equity that is you know They're now but maybe not be there in say five years or what I thought and you have credit card Buy now pay later all record record highs. I mean there's all kinds of stuff like that. Yeah, it's strange

Yeah, speaking of speaking of fake money pay later, all record highs. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff like that. It's strange. Yeah. Speaking of fake money, I know we're almost at end here, but I gotta read this to you just because you guys have been a part of, you guys have been to California's longs I have. Remember in 2008, when they had his vote to build a high speed rail for Bill A to San Francisco?

You guys remember that? I know. Yeah, shenanigans, man. 2008, this is just a great example. I just want people to just understand this. This is a great example of why you don't want your government building things for you. It just always turns into crap.

So in 2008, we voted here in California. I remember this, and it was to pay for a high speed rail from Los Angeles to San Francisco. And it was supposed to be done by 2020. And they said in the, you know, what you voted for, they said the estimated cost will be $30 billion. Okay, here we are, 2023. Okay, here's the high speed rail.

By the way, it's not high speed, it's a normal train. It's no longer from LA to San Francisco, it's from Bakersfield to Merced. Ooh. They're hoping it'll be done by 2030 and the cost will be no less than $170 billion. So. That's the biggest bait and switch I remember.

Yeah, wow, bro. But we just need to be taxed more so we can give them more money to create these projects. Who's gonna take a high-speed rail for, you know, what was it when I say biggest field of percent? Yeah, 70 billion. Who's motivated for that? What can we have done with that money?

Wow, dude. What, once you look into like who profited off that, too? It's really interesting. One last, one last step before your shout, shout out, hanging up that I saw this morning that I thought was really interesting. Over 50% of divorces on the, you know, the paperwork you gotta fill out

for a divorce and that, attribute it to social media, Instagram, TikTok, what? Over more than half. Wow. Have that written in the divorce, something along the lines of TikTok Facebook Instagram with that work. Just like a hopeful, cheating, yeah, cheating and stuff like that.

Do you like a picture? Yeah, yeah, dude, so it's not crazy. More than something that didn't even exist just 20 something years ago is now more than half of divorces. They say that cheating is more about opportunity than it is about morality. So it's like you got, you know, people.

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It's real easy to be faithful when nobody's like, because he was comparing to some super famous guy who got caught up cheating with him. I'm not impressed by somebody's like, I never was like, well you couldn't. Yeah, I'm impressed by the person you could, but it doesn't. Yeah, definitely. A hundred percent, right. That's funny. So for our shout out, I have somebody who is new for me. I just started really following her content. She was in this mastermind group that I own. And I was just so impressed with her story and what she

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Before I jump in, like so many other listeners, just wanted to say you truly changed my life. I've had a complete breakthrough in mindset and understanding of health and fitness since being introduced to you. And frankly, especially as a woman lifter, feel more empowered than ever. So just wanted to say a big thank you. Awesome, awesome, great to meet you.

Now that that's all the way back, more importantly. I wrote in with a three-part question, but I promised to be super efficient. For a little bit of context, I started weightlifting in 2017 after about a decade of exclusively practicing yoga. In 2018, I started with my first CPT and was with them for about four years. I thought I was in really great shape,

but had no idea what I was missing out on. We primarily trained, hit, high rep, low weight, minimal rest, lots of sweat, not to mention the fact that there was just a zero plan in place as far as what like week over week, month over month, year over year was going to look like. Last summer, I transitioned to a new CPT who eventually introduced me to MindPump. I originally was super skeptical of her programming because it was really different than what I was used to. It was higher B, lower volume, longer rest periods. I frankly just felt like I wasn't doing enough every day because I wasn't

leaving with this crazy sweat. But it wasn't until I was introduced to you guys that I started religiously listening to your podcast. I was going back through hundreds of episodes listening to listener questions. Um, and really eventually it just clicked for me. And I decided last summer it was time for me to take control of my own body and programming. And that's when I purchased aesthetic, uh, which I started in September. And y'all, I have never experienced transformation like this in my entire life. So thank you. I completed aesthetic. I went immediately into performance and then transitioned into anabolic a couple of weeks ago. Yes, it was backwards, but probably not surprising that I went for aesthetic. So I don't have a baseline from when I first started aesthetic, but in four months, I lost

11 pounds of fat and gained 5 pounds of muscle, and I also went from tracking zero food, no macro at all, to tracking everybody and making sure that I never ever miss a protein target. So, that's going wear in that long intro, but my question is this, I am going on a month-long vacation in February for my birthday, and I'm really anxious about my gym routine. I'm being out of it.

One week kills me much less for, but at least with one week, I can take your advice around having some break and the rest of recovery and what it does for my body. And so, I'll have limited access to come, you know, subpar hotel gyms, and I did go ahead and buy maps anywhere, but I'm wondering, is this enough? I'm really worried about regression, and I just have made so much progress. So I wanna make sure that I'm like doing everything I can

to continue the progress and be in a good spot when I come home. Yeah, this is awesome. You're okay, so two things I'll say to that. One, first off, you're very fit. We could see you're very fit. You've made tremendous gains in progress with awesome things.

Awesome, great job, sir. Really good. Even if you did regress in a month, whatever regression you made in a month would come back in like a week or two of coming back. So even if you were to regress, it would be so temporary. And the trade, in my opinion, would be worth it

because it's a break from counting every bite that you put in your mouth and being so structured to, being on vacation. Now, that being said, if you did maps anywhere while you were gone, you probably won't regress at all. You'll probably be totally fine. And if anything, you might even come back a little stronger because it's different, it's novel,

and it's gonna give you a little bit of a break because maps anywhere doesn't use much equipment except for maybe bands. So you literally have nothing to worry about at all. Remember the way you thought originally when you first did a maps program and switched from your kind of training you were and thought, oh my God, I'm gonna lose it.

That same mentality you have right now, and if you were to do anywhere, I actually don't even think you need to do that, but if you wanted to, you could. I think if you actually hit the gym once a week while you're out there. They're like a full body workout for 45 minutes. You would maintain most everything you got,

and even if you had a tiny bit of a setback, it lit right, right way. As long as you don't do this, here's where the mistake that people make when they go on a vacation like this, is they go from being so dialed Like you are right now to the complete opposite in the spectrum where they eat like an asshole Don't train whatsoever and then they that's where you so what he means by that Cameron is that you're it's not that you're not

You're going from tracking to not tracking. It's that you go from tracking to binging to binging Yeah to just where you're eating till you're uncomfortable drinking every night I mean yeah, like like you're it's like you're pushing it in the opposite direction. It's more of a behavior thing So that that's where you know some damage can happen and most of the damage even then Wouldn't be physiological will be psychological Because then going from that to having to go back to tracking it really kind of encourages this on off Kind of mentality. But I think you're totally fine. You're going to be completely fine going over there. So here's

it. Let me ask you this question, Cameron, how valuable are your workouts for just setting your day up in the mental aspect of it? Forget the physical physical. Is it real important for the mental part too? I mean, I spend like two hours every morning in the gym when I wake up, and it's not all lifting for two hours, but just like being there and doing mobility and like I never miss a trigger session. I never, I love being in the space

to your point from a mental perspective. Okay, so try this then, because I get most of the benefits I get from exercise now are mental for me. I really value it for that. So when I'm on vacation, my workouts aren't at all like the workouts when I'm home. My workouts more are like, I'm going to start my day with 30 minutes of something just to, it's like coffee for me or like it's like my antidepressant. So I wake up, I'll do 30 minutes in a hotel gym. It usually looks like a full body,

machine to machine to machine, couple dumbbell exercises, and then I'm done. So I just start my day that way, just because it feels good. So I mean, you could even do something like that where you do like a 30 minute something. It could be yoga. You said you did yoga before.

It could be a few machines, just kind of touch each area of the body and just kind of feel good. And that's very valuable. But I don't want you to think about like physical fitness. Yeah, I think the one thing you're going to eat, the common thread you're going to hear from all of us is that so long as you don't go binge eating, drinking on your four weeks off, and you have some sort of attempt to do any sort of exercise, whether it be 15 minutes, 30 minutes, once a week, couple to, you're gonna be totally okay.

You really are, you're gonna be fine. And in fact, because you've been so consistent for a while now, your body might want a little bit of a rest and you might see some actually real big benefits to kind of scaling back a little bit for a month and enjoying yourself. So I think you're gonna be just fine. Yeah, I'll do it. Kind of what sales talking about in terms of like, you know, something just to

get me up and alert and, you know, enjoy my day more. So if that helps just like a cup of coffee or just like planning activities that you're just moving a lot more and like visiting and doing things that you normally wouldn't do, like paddle boarding or whatever, things that I'm structuring, I know I'm going to have some physicality to it, you're going to be just fine. It's honestly, it's a good break for your body. You know, one more thing in regards to the eating part, if you do anything, even though you're going to be on vacation, I don't expect you to track and I wouldn't make a client do this, but if you wanted to mitigate any sort of muscle loss is stick to the protein thing at least.

So that would be kind of like, so I, what I know. Shoes high protein meals. Yes. Yeah, choose high protein meals or at least just pay attention to kind of the grams of protein on it on it on a during your time off because that's an area where you could see. So if you were to over consume junk food and alcohol and also under consume protein and also not lift weights, you could see a pretty dramatic change in a month

of like falling off of all this work you've done. But if you do a good job of eating most of your meals being protein centric, you know, getting a few workouts in while you're out there and not binge eating, you're gonna be just fine. But I would add the combo of not eating enough protein could you could lose some muscle mass. Let me put it, phrase it differently.

Okay, so two things to this. One is that if you look at the studies on deloid weeks, and they even have studies where people will do a deloid for two weeks, so these are people like you, consistent, they work out, they're totally on, and then they'll do like a D-load is basically essentially no exercise or minimal exercise. They gain more muscle in the D-load week than they do during their consistent weeks. So that's from a physiological standpoint, but this might help, okay? Think of your mental health more than your physical health

when you're on vacation. That's gonna give you, that's gonna point you in a better direction than thinking about your physical health. So, to do it, to kind of talk about what Adam said about protein, you could think to yourself, I need to eat the protein so I don't lose the muscle, but I think you'd be more effective to say,

I need to eat the protein because protein's gonna make me feel more satiated. I'm gonna be less likely to wanna eat junk food. It's gonna give me more consistent blood sugar, so I'm not gonna have these energy highs and lows, while I'm on vacation, it'll help mitigate feeling crappy from alcohol that I make. So think of things from a mental standpoint.

Another example would be, instead of thinking I need to work out, because I'm gonna lose muscle, think, hey, I wanna tomorrow, we're gonna go do that, that snorkeling, or we're gonna go hiking, I'm gonna do some mobility beforehand, so that I can feel really good on the hike, okay? If you think of it from a mental standpoint, then physically you'll actually get better results,

then if you think of it from a physical standpoint. If you think of everything from a physical standpoint, you'll enjoy your vacation less and you may fall into this off on type of mentality. That's where people tend to screw up. So think of it from that standpoint. I think that makes the biggest difference. Also, do you have map suspension?

Because that's another great travel program. I think you named the one program I don't have. I think I own 12 or 14 programs one program I don't have. I think I own 12 or 14 programs. So I don't have suspension. Well, you got suspension now. We're going to send it over to you. We're going to send it to you. And if you have a suspension trainer, like super easy to travel with, and then you don't

even need a hotel jam, you can hang it on the doorway and then you don't even have to leave it right in your cell. I believe when we send, I don't know, Doug, when we send it for free, does the email automatically kick her the 50% off? I believe it does, okay? So you should, when you get the program for free, that we normally send an automatic email for 50% off of those straps, too,

so you get a really good deal on those straps. So we have them, so just so you know. For sure. Yeah, I'll definitely do that. So really quick follow up, I will leave right close to the end of phase two of anabelle, which I'm loving. I just started to be scope, but it's been awesome. My strengthens have been crazy in two weeks.

I've been really surprised. Would you want me to start back where I left off when I come home or repeat something? And then lastly, what programs should I do next? You could do the Yeah, I would do the program over a whole month. Yeah, a whole month I'd start the program. It doesn't, honestly, it really doesn't matter. What matters most is that you give yourself a week, because you're gonna take a month off, so I'm gonna assume that you're gonna take a month off

of like hard lifting. Mm-hmm. Give yourself a week of easy lifting, so I don't care where you start, really doesn't make a big, so people think Maps and Obolic goes from phase one, two, and three because it scales. That's not how it works.

It's just novel, just new novel stimulus. So phase one can be harder, easy, depending on who you are and so on. So really doesn't matter, but give yourself a week when you get back of easy workouts. So I would do a week of pre-phase and then jump into whatever phase you want.

You can start over if you want to do it that way. Doesn't make a big difference. And then program next. Have you done map strong? No, that's so much like I have it. Do that. You'll love it. Yeah, you'll love that.

It's like one of our most popular programs by women. Yeah, they normally avoid. Yeah, it's one of the ones that they avoided. And then they do it. And they're like, oh my God, it's my favorite now. That you'll love it. Because it's like shorter every day has so, something so much fewer exercises.

So it's very different than what I'm used to doing from a volume perspective. But wait, yeah, wait till the other, the work sessions. The work sessions. It's totally different. Yeah, strong is kind of flip-flops. lots like you know how trigger days are your easy days Work session days are harder for a lot of people than the foundational days. Yeah. Yeah, yeah

Yeah, it'll be it'll be very different from what you've been doing So it'll be a nice shock for the system. You'll like it awesome fantastic Really grateful for all the information and it's so awesome to meet you guys in person. Thanks, Cameron. Have a good vacation. Keep killing it. Yeah, you got it. Bye-bye. Did you see her?

Did you see her stats? I did. She sent them over. Great progress. That was even not easy. That's not even her taking it from the start. Man, anybody's listening and they're doing like the traditional circuits and tons of running and all that stuff, and especially for female, just listen,

you have nothing to lose. What's the worst thing that can happen? You try something for a few weeks, you go back to what you're doing before. Try one of our programs and watch what happens to your body. Watch what happens to your metabolism. Watch how easy it becomes to lose body fat. It will blow your mind.

The hardest step is gonna be just making that first step. That's the most difficult part is to get in that headspace that I'm gonna do something completely outside of my norm. But if you do that and you trust in it, man, the results will come. This is also why we take so much heat around the cardio conversation is, because people think that we're anti-cardiode.

No, it's just that we know that that is our average client right there. Yeah. She is somebody. She is the 80% of the people that came to me over those two decades. That's how they worked out. Worked was just like she was as far as her mentality towards lifting weights and to get them to transition from that thought process and the run and burn calories and thinking that way, to getting strong lifting weights, long rest periods. And I mean, it's just, that's why we keep hammering that message. It's not because we don't think people should do cardio

and it's not healthy for them. It's that most people, especially if you actively listen to a fitness podcast or you're looking for information on that are in very similar both. Especially if you're a female. Yes, especially for your female. Our next caller is Todd from Utah. Todd what's happening? Todd. Todd. So guys, yeah, I appreciate you bringing me on. Um,

fairly new listener last couple of weeks really just been been a bunch. So, oh, wow. Appreciate that. Um, so I've just learned about trigger sessions. And I think I understand about trigger sessions and I think I understand the basic basic concept there but I just wanted to ask something kind of in regards to that. So a little backstory and kind of my goals. I've been working out for a long time. The last couple years I've been doing more like F-45 style training, but this year I'm really just trying to work on like strength, like traditional gym strength exercises. Part of the reason for that is I think due to my snowboarding and wakeboarding my left leg is significantly weaker, so I really want to focus on kind of bringing that up.

That being said, on my rest days, I do like to do that more high intensity cardio, whether it's like sprint intervals or rowing intervals or more like explosive plyometric type training. But is that too much for like those trigger sessions? Is that going to be a trigger session that's going to actually weaken the rest or where's the balance there? Yes, the biggest mistake that people make with the trigger sessions is actually doing too much. They're designed to facilitate recovery, not build muscle. Yes, that helps build muscle, but the thought process of going in there, tearing

and breaking down, and the way you approach the foundational days is completely opposite of how you approach the trigger session. The trigger session, you're literally just sending a signal, pumping the muscle up with blood, you're not trying to get a major burn, you're not trying to get sore, that blood, you're not trying to get a major burn, you're not trying to get sore,

that's all you're really trying to do. And so, yeah, biometric work for sure would be, I mean, it's on the far end of the other spectrum of trigger sessions. Yeah, well Todd, why are you doing the intervals in the circuit training? Do you want endurance to stamina to? Yeah, exactly.

I just, I wanna keep my kind of athleticism high and kind of, yeah, that performance athletic aspect. So I'm not necessarily doing it for the burn, but obviously that's a side effect of sprinting like your legs are going to burn, right? You'd be surprised. I don't know if I can just push that out to a different cycle of programming and kind of avoid that altogether. Or it depends. It depends what you're looking for. Like, so part of your question was, is that too much damage?

I mean, too much for what or who? I mean, it depends on the context of your own recovery, your life, and what's going on. If you want to continue to work on endurance and stamina along with strength, you'll get less of both, but you'll get some of both. If you want to maximize strength, then you should do less of the other stuff. If you want to maximize endurance,

then you do less of the other stuff. So if you're okay with getting a little of both, but not a lot of either, then that's totally fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Most people want some of everything, rather than a lot of something less of other stuff. So it's fine, you'll build less muscle and gain as much strength

likely, but if you want this stamina and endurance along with some strength gains, there's nothing wrong with that. Now, how do you know if it becomes too much? If you're not getting either, you're just burnt out, you're not getting stronger, you're feeling stiff, sore, you're not getting good sleep, then you're over-trained, and then you need to probably drop the volume and intensity, improve things like sleep and nutrition.

You know, I struggled with this a lot, you know, being an ex-athlete, and this is like the challenge for me and the mindset going into every workout was always to crush every workout, was to, you know, bring the intensity. And so, you know, with this, I would say too, to really try your best to focus on being able to reinforce

and stabilize around your joints. So you're thinking longer term in terms of like high performance. So in order to maintain and keep that high performance accessible, we're going to need to, you know, make sure that our joints are responding and the functionality of them maintains for as long as possible. And the more you get into mobility, the more you get into these types of trigger sessions where it's benefiting active recovery, you're going to see the benefit like you've never seen because this is a brand new focus. So in terms of cardiovascular endurance, that's something that you can adapt

towards fairly quickly. So, if we just take a break and take a moment away from that and really just focus more on, you know, reinforcing the body in order to apply more of the stress onto it, you're going to do so much further than you would be. Yeah, I like what he said. I like what Justin said a lot. I think it would be great for you to just focus on building muscle and strength for a few months. I agree with that. Now, depending on how important the wake boarding and snowboarding is to you and, and staying up with the ability to do that, what I might do this. So the program that comes in mind, their order for me would be symmetry, performance,

then aesthetic in that order. The days that you're not weight training foundational days, I would do 12 minutes of hit cardio. Because I know that when you when you snowboard and when you wakeboard, you're not you're not up longer than about 12 minutes. Okay. So you're not you're not going to be, unless you're just cruising behind the boat, if you're doing any sort of tricks or playing at breast at all, you probably ride for five to seven minutes then crash and get back up and then do your thing. Same thing with snowboarding. You're never riding down the mountain longer than, you know,

five to eight minutes to get down to the bottom, even if you're riding one of the big places like Squall Valley or like in Park City area, like you're not riding long. so that 12 minutes of hit cardio will give you enough of the stamina endurance that you need to to be good at your your sports that you love doing and it's probably not going to impede that much on your strength training. If you were to go do long bouts of cardio lots of plyometrics in addition that I don't see you building on strength but I think you can absolutely build strength

and still keep a little bit of that cardio and endurance that you want. So when you hit the mountain or when you're wakeboarding, you don't feel like you're gassed. Well Todd, are you gonna be, cause this brings up something else. Are you gonna be, are you able to snowboard now? Are you doing that now while you're training?

Not as much nowadays more than I used to, Are you able to snowboard now? Are you doing that now while you're training? Not as much nowadays, more than I used to, but yeah, I'll still go up. I'm going up to snowboard for a week next week. I'm here in Utah, so I'll go up quite a few and then I wake up a little bit in the summer. If you snowboarded once or twice a week while doing pure strength training program, you'll be fine. That's not realistic. I i don't know i don't know how long unless he's unless you're i'm not gonna go that much yeah yeah he just wants to be able to keep it so that's what i'm saying you do two to three days a week of twelve minutes of hit cardio that will give you what you're looking for for wakeboarding and snowboarding. And this is coming from somebody who does both of those.

That's plenty of cardiovascular endurance for that. And then, strength train. And I love symmetry because you made the point about having discrepancy between your left and right. That's what that program is designed for. That would be huge for us. It's to balance that out. I love performance for all the points that Justin was bringing up to follow that program

up. I love performance for all the points that Justin was bringing up to follow that program up and then aesthetic to take the symmetry thing even further. I love that order right there and then I love the idea of 12 minutes of Hit Cardio while you're and what that looks like is elliptical, stair master, treadmill, going after it hard for 20 to 30 seconds, hard sprints, hard like that, and then letting the heart rate come all the way back there. That's awesome for that. Yeah, or a salt bike, any cardio tool, going as hard as you can for 20 seconds, and then

walking or slowing way down and letting the heart rate come all the way back. A mistake that people make with hit is a good online and they follow some protocol. It's like 20 on one off and then they don't necessarily need that or they're not allowing themselves to fully recover. The heart rate to come back down, the real benefits of that is what happens of the heart recovers and then goes really hard and then recovers. That's where you get the max benefits for that. So if that takes you 45 seconds to fully recover, that's fine. If it takes you two minutes to fully recover, that's fine. Also, so, you know, fill it out based off of where you're where you're endurance is at. Do you have symmetry Todd? I do not. All right. We'll send that to you. Okay. I really appreciate it, guys. You guys, thanks for calling in.

You bet. You know, the irony is of having one side significantly stronger than the other is that what will likely happen is as he balances himself out, you'll get stronger on this strong side as well. Because there's that kind of, there seems to be a limiting, you know, like a limiter in the body that doesn't allow one side to get too much stronger on the other one. So in other words, people, his performance will probably improve on both sides because he's working on the weak side, you know, a radiation effect too. Yeah, absolutely. You know, this is such a common thing that we get where, you know, you want to eat your cake and have it too.

Right. Like it's, you know, and so it's always, it's always, it's always nuanced. But this, you know, a lot of times I think people need to really ask themselves, what is it I want the most? Or at least have some sort of, that would help us, right? Here's my hierarchy, like this is most important to me than this, than this, and this, because then the advice changes, otherwise we have to sit there and ask a lot of questions

to find out because if he started with, I wanna build strength, I wanna build muscle, well okay, well then, plyometrics and cardiovascular training and endurance is not the most ideal thing for us If that's really what you want But then if you go like whoa, I love to snowboard and wakeboard and I do that a lot and I don't want to lose performance there Okay, well how important is that in comparison because there's a lot of different ways that we can Approach this programming with someone like this, but what really matters is what you really want the most right?

desired outcome Our next color is Jeff from Illinois Jeff. What's happening? How come what up Jeff? What's going on? Thanks for having me on you got it I've My question is based on the psychology of getting away from the bros splits and the old bodybuilding lifestyle. So I started out mostly like other people, started working out in high school because of sports and just got hooked on it. And I had great success with the bros split for a long time, probably 15 years. for a long time, probably 15 years, but then me and my wife had children and there's just not the time to be in the gym, six hours a week, seven hours a week every week.

And I've run through your guys, Annabolic and Performance programs and I loved them. They got me in tremendous shape, but I always have that like itch to go back to the bros split for the hypertrophy, the pumps that just just the feeling. So I didn't know if you guys experienced that, if you guys went through a time where family, I mean obviously family always comes first, but I didn't know how to if there was a program out there to put on, get those hypertrophic feelings back, only go into the gym like three days a week or how that worked for you guys. Have you done aesthetic? I haven't done aesthetic, so I looked at it And my only concern was the two hours, it's the three days a week, the two hours in the gym, real realistically, I have about an hour to an hour and 20 minutes on my three days a week that I can actually hit the weights. Yeah, you know, you know, when I switched from body parts splits to full body, the progress I got is what always kind of kept me there.

That got me more excited, but I also like strength a lot. And so when I see my strength going up, I tend to also be motivated by that. You know what's funny is I hit a PR recently in a deadlift from doing maps 15, from doing kind of 20 minutes a day. It's kind of how mine looked about 20, 25 minutes a day. And I hit a PR So that always gets me excited, but the mental aspect is I mean, that's gonna be kind of what you make it

It's I get the whole like you know going every go into the gym every day hitting us, you know one or two body parts getting that that awesome pump But I don't know for me it was you know when the pump went away, I didn't get the same kind of gains. So it wasn't hard to kind of leave that behind. Now we do have split programs, like maps split, but that's six days a week in the gym. You can only go through as a week, you know, I think maps at a ball, it's gonna be the way to go. It's gonna be the way to go.

Unless you wanna do something like maps of team, where you're just doing 20 minutes a day. If you have a barbell at home, you could be able, you could even do that at home and follow that kind of 20 minute advanced version of it. And like I said, I hit a PR. I hit a PR lifetime PR in my 40s from doing that. Yeah, I mean, I totally remember going through this. And by the way, there's, there's nothing that says you can't phase in and out of doing

kind of a, you know, broish split, you know, pump type of phase, where you get a little bit of that and then transition back to more of the full body stuff. Just the challenges mentally attaching the results to why you do those things, right? Is this that you know, you've already gone through some of the programs, so you know what good of results you get

by running the full body. And so reminding yourself that, you know, you've already gone through some of the program, so you know what good of results you get by running the full body. And so reminding yourself that, you know, that's part of why I do this. Now, part of why we do this too, sometimes that was just for the enjoyment of working out. So where you're at in your life, too, matters. So like, there's times where I'm training. And I know that the way I'm training

is not resulting or is going to elicit the best results for me. But I don't care because it's what I want to do. Cause I'm in a mode of, I want to get good at my Turkish get up. And so I'm prioritizing that and I may be ignoring some other things. So there's that factor too. And I think when that really kind of hit home for me

as I transitioned into fatherhood and my priority started to shift and it was just like, I've already proven to myself, I can be the super buff guy. Now I do this more for staying healthy and fit. And yes, I know if I were to follow MAP's anabolic protocol, this would be the best for building muscle

and getting strength in my metabolism and that's ideal.. I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time.

I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time. when I was doing my bros split stuff. So there's also that aspect, right? Like we don't always have to be hitting the gym with the most ideal way to live. Sometimes you love, if you love getting a pump and you want to do that, then do it. But I'll be mindful of that there is obviously there's tradeoff. Did did so going back to maps and a ball because in terms of your scheduling and everything but I'll be mindful of that there is obviously- There's a trade-off. There's a trade-off. So going back to maps and a ballac

because in terms of your scheduling and everything, I agree, I think that's probably your best option of what you're trying to accomplish. Did you take full advantage of the trigger sessions? Did you apply multiple times a day in between? I know for me personally, in terms of hypertrophy, that was something that helped, you know, at least like give me that kind of stimulus,

especially, well, even phase two, phase three, I mean, it's very hypertrophy focused, it is a different because it's like total body. So I think there might be that kind of an adjustment period to that, but honestly, if you keep maintaining and doing, you know, multiple times a day, especially with the trigger sessions, you're gonna get, you'll get that trigger sessions, you're gonna get that pump.

Yeah, you'll get that pump. Yeah, did you do those consistently? So I did the trigger sessions. I only did them once a day, and the reason that I did that was, I, on my trigger session days, I felt great, but then when I went back to the weights, there were times that I felt certain muscles were kind of sore,

not so sore that I couldn't lift, but the trigger sessions, I felt like I wasn't getting the most out of a weight because I was getting a little bit sore from the trigger sessions. You're going too hard, you're surprised me, because you're going to be... To intense. Yeah, go much lower intensity. Just get a pump in more frequently.

Just get a pump with the trigger sessions. Don't do nothing in ten. I love having my, and I don't know if you were in your house. This makes most sense. My other house I was at, I had a door that was right by the living room where the TV kitchen was. And I used to just, Katrina and I would leave the band strapped up to the door so they just were there.

And like, you know, if I caught myself sitting watchin' sports for an hour or two at half time I'd get up and get a cool little you know five-minute pump real easy and then sit back so you fill up, you know me stop. Yeah Yeah, are you do you have do you have access to maps 15? So I have Maps and a ball like performance and 15, yeah. Okay, good. Have you tried it yet? Yes.

I actually enjoyed it. It was, I felt myself focusing more on the time limit than what I was actually lifting though because it was, I was focusing on getting it done. So I enjoyed the workout and I felt like I did get a workout out of it but I felt like I wasn't as intense as I could be on the lift because I was more focused on like, okay,

I got 20 minutes, I got to get this done in 20 minutes. Right, and I mean, if you have to get it done in 20 minutes, sure, but the other thing is someone might make the mistake and say it's gotta be done in 20 minutes, even though they don't necessarily have a timeline. We need it maps of 10, because you couldn't do the workout in 50 minutes. If you want to stretch it out to 30 minutes, that's really fine.

Here's another thing too. There's nothing wrong with doing an upper body, one day, lower body, another day, upper body, another day. You're not gonna hit the body parts as frequently but you can do more volume. Yeah, I split anabolic like that sometimes. I love to do that where I'll take anabolic's protocol,

but I'll run the upper body one day, the next day I go lower body, and then I just alternate back and forth. And then I end up doing like an extra set for each body part so I can get that kind of pump feeling more because it, you know, sometimes just one exercise for a body part. I can't quite, but by the second exercise or the second or the additional sets, I will feel that for sure. Oh, okay. All right. That's an option. Yeah. Awesome. All right, man. Well, good luck. I know you're a dad. So, you know, balancing family with all this could be real challenging.

So, it's a whole new ball game. Yep. Yeah. Well, I appreciate it. Thanks for all the info, guys. You got a job. Stay, stay, stay excited. You didn't like any of our advice. No, I think, I think, I think he's just kind of taking it all. Everybody's always looking for that silver bullet or whatever you're gonna give them. Oh, that's what I was missing. And I wanna reiterate the point that I was trying to make is that people ask us a lot of these questions and you can hear this underlying,

well, I really wanna do this. It's like, well, then you can do that. You then do it. But just, if you're gonna ask us what's the best for whatever desired outcome you have, we're gonna probably try and steer you as close as possible. But then there is times in my life when I know I'm not doing what is the best for me.

Especially if you enjoy that. That's right. You look forward to it, like go for it. Well, you know, come back and change it up. But yeah, if that's something you thoroughly enjoy, there's nothing stopping you. Also, this is a hard transition when you have kids. You've got two little girls who said in this question. Were they really little?

I thought he had been a dad for a while. It says I'm a dad of two. I guess so. So maybe they aren't little, but he's got two kids. I mean, here's a bottom line. Nothing's going to be the same anymore. Like go out to dinner. It's true.

Go out to dinner with kids. Life just sucks now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. See, that's the problem. It's different. It's, yes, it sucks if you think it has to be the same. No, yeah. If you think it has to be the same

and you can't accept that it's different, it will suck. Like go out to dinner with kids. It's a very different dinner. You know what it is. It could be very fun, but if I expect to have this deep conversation my wife connecting romantic and it's quiet with kids,

I'm gonna hate it. Now if I go and I expect it's gonna be hectic, but we're gonna have fun. Am I kids gonna throw food? I'm gonna throw food back. We're gonna laugh. Get the hell out real quick because, you know, the kids are just,

like you gotta expect something. So like I work out in the couples couples dinner I work out at 6 a.m. in the morning like I don't expect to get the same workout I would get as if I worked out at 1 p.m. which is the ideal time for me. So it's everything's gonna be different you can't have everything. No you're right I think that's I think it's such a great point is especially with fatherhood you either you either embrace it and look forward to the change in the new way that you're going to do things or you resist it and keep trying to find ways to go back to how you liked things or did things before.

And I guess I was lucky where I was at. It'll be so late in life, like I was so ready. You were ready to change. Ready for that transition that I have embraced this new way of training and the things that I care about. And so just the motivation. You know who struggles the most when they have kids are people who are like, oh, I'm going to be exactly the same.

I'm still going to go out. We're still going to the same stuff. Well, you know why? You know what that is? You're going to have a poker night every weekend. Yeah. There's actually, you know why? Because there's like one side that talks about,

oh my God, you have kids and your life is over. It's all this and it's whatever. Then you have the other side of like, that's not true at all. We brought our kids into our life and our life. We still do all the same thing. It's still different. My cheer goes to the nightclub.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I think that that's the mislead people into thinking that it's still different. It's gonna be just like it was before. No, it's gonna be very different and hopefully you're excited about what very different. I know I had friends like that. We take our kids on all of the occasions,

like, well, good for you, but they're not the same, are they? That's not the same. So. Our next caller is Riley from Georgia. Right, what's happening? How can I help you? Hey, mind pump team.

Thanks so much for having me on. And everything you guys do to help improve the online fitness space really helped my life dramatically in the lives of others. Really look forward to the content you guys put out each week. So thank you for that. You got it. Thanks, man.

So I've always naturally had large muscular legs. I've played sports which emphasize lower center of gravity. Squatting came really easy to me, able to move significant weight at a young age, probably some genetic factors at play. I'm basically in the category of lifters that can catch a glimpse of someone squatting at the gym and suddenly the pants don't fit. I've tried to transition to kind of a trimmer, leaner, more functional, proportionate, lower body and despite very consistent work on my upper body. I've not really seen a balancing out in my physique. I never really squat nowadays,

but do all the other core lifts typically skip leg day pretty frequently, but you can never really tell by looking at me. I do carry a little bit of body fat at the moment, but even at my most trim, I still felt disproportionate. Wondering, is there a way to transition my lower body into a trimmer, more dense muscular structure, or even just shed size, would you recommend squatting at all, higher rep ranges, or other training modalities instead?

I feel like avoiding legs altogether is probably not the answer, but I would like to get a place where I feel more kind of symmetrical from an upper lower perspective. Screw you, Riley. We don't help you guys like you. Yeah. Riley, I thought that might be your response.

Riley, besides, okay, so what you're saying is you got really big legs and your upper body doesn't match your lower body, right? Yes. Minotaur. And then do you store a lot of body fat in your lower body too, or do you store body fat like the traditional way that men do in the belly area? I do store in the belly. That's where I notice it the most.

I have had like caliper tests done and they often like get a very small reading on my legs. So I do think I carry not as much body fat in my legs. Okay, okay, because I was going to give you a different answer if you also stored in your lower body, in which case I'd have you get your hormones tested. But if it's muscle, I suggest, are you familiar with Tom Platz? Do you know who he is? The name sounds familiar,

but I don't think I can place the philosophy. So Tom Platz was a body builder, P-L-A-T-Z. Greatest legs ever. In the 70s and 80s, known for having the best legs in bodybuilding, but he had this similar problem. Where? His lower body, when he first started, just was far more developed in his upper body,

but over time and over training, he was able to balance his body out quite a bit and actually became quite a successful bodybuilder. So I would read up on him and what he did to kind of balance things out. As far as making your lower body shrink, yes, any kind of strength training is gonna keep your leg size.

You can focus on mobility and flexibility in the lower body, which will maintain movement. And, but that'll also prevent the muscles from building. So you could simply strength train your upper body. And then on leg day, your goal is to work on mobility, stability, flexibility. So you're still doing something, you're just not doing any strength.

Yeah, I would do like body weight stuff, like these long, like walking lunges with like a balance in between. Like I do stuff like that or multi-planet or lunges and stuff like that, caustic squad. It's like I would do movements more like that, addestability component in there. Are you flexible?

Definitely could improve on that. Comes and goes. Even static stretching is fine, especially if you're not gonna do heavy strength training for lower body, like really focus on getting really flexible in the lower body, that'll help with movement and the mobility stuff. And then in the meantime, focus on heavy strength training for the upper body. So a routine may look like, how many days a week do you order the gym?

Four to six, I would say, depending on kind of where I'm at in my program. I would do, you know, you could do three days a week of upper body, one day a week of lower body with core. And on the lower body day, it's like mobility and stretching. Yeah. I mean, you could do something like that. And give it time. Over time, you'll start to see things balance out.

But I mean, I hear what you're saying. I'm reading your question. You're saying that the first time you ever squatted, you could rep to 25. The first time? Yeah, so I mean, yeah. there are times when people just genetically, and yours is lower body, I knew a guy like this with his upper body,

like with his shoulders, he was just crazy. And when you have this kind of genetics like, actually in fact, I had, in fact I had a female trainer with legs like this, and she did long distance running in her legs grew. This is how sensitive her muscles are. Same thing happened to me. Yeah, so I thought endurance training would be the answer,

couple half marathons and still. They blew up. Not surprised that they grew, but. Yeah, so I mean, I would do flexibility, mobility, just to maintain movement, because you don't want to get, you know, you don't want to lose movement, mobility, lower body, that suck. And then just strength train your upper body and then give yourself some time.

Give yourself some time. Do maybe a slow reverse diet. You wrote down your body fat percentage of 16%. That's not bad. I would maintain 16%. Slowly reverse diet. So you can build in the upper body and give yourself like a couple years, like try to gain, you know, five to ten pounds of lean body mass in your upper body to kind of balance, you know, balance those things out. But I mean, I hear what you're saying. It sounds to me like you're just the 0.1% of people, at least with your lower body, where it's just muscle fibers. Like they just want to be better.

Yeah. Yeah. Not a bad problem, not a bad problem to have, Riley, just to let you know. Yeah. Yeah, no, I knew that was, you that was kind of the reverse chicken leg situation. I feel like it's not something that would drop very often, but I get it though. I mean, obviously, if you feel like there's a huge difference between your lower and upper, I mean, I think most people would want more symmetry there, but it is as simple as really

backing off all of latering. And the only thing you're really doing is addressing mobility and functionality, being able to move in different planes, good range of motion, so all body weight type of stuff, and you're really not training it hard at all, and then just getting hit in the upper body consistently. Yeah, man, he also squatted in the 500s in high school. Bro, 225 repping your first time, I can't even took me half my life to get to that. Adam can barely do that right now.

It's hard for me, bro. It's so crazy. But yeah, look up Tom Platz. Tom Platz was like, Branch Warren. Branch Warren is another bodybuilder. And if you saw him towards the end, you would never think that he was lower body dominant. But when he started as a bodybuilder, it was like, that's what he was known for.

So I'll give you three body builders. Branch Warren, Tom Platz, Paul Demayo, Paul Demayo's passed away. But those three body builders, um, uh, all were known for having disproportionate lower body, upper bodies, but then towards the end of their careers, became very balanced. And so you can find articles and stuff about, interviews and stuff like that, about how they balanced out.

And as bodybuilders, it's not like they wanted small legs, they just want to look balanced. You know, it's, I mean, I have the opposite problem. My life, I had the small legs, but I had upper body developed. And so what my training has looked like for most of my lifting career now is that I never miss a leg day. So in your case, I would never miss a body.

And so if I've taken a couple weeks off, even if the last thing I did was legs, I'm starting to get on legs. So I'm always thinking that way. And that's kind of how you would be the reverse mentality. It's just like, hey, you never miss that upper body training. And even if you took a time off and that was the last thing you did, you still start back up again with that.

In fact, you have maps aesthetic. Yeah. I do not know. Okay, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna send you maps aesthetic, and here's how I want you to modify it. I'm gonna have you do maps aesthetic, and on the foundational days,

don't do the lower body exercises, except for one of the days. And even then, if you want, you could substitute the lower body exercises for just flexibility. So essentially what you're doing is mostly, if not all upper body exercises on the foundational days. And then on the focus session days, you could do target upper body exercises, isolation stuff. So it's going to be mostly upper body type works. I'll send that to you. Okay. Awesome. Thank you so much. You got a man. I'm right. Yeah. Thanks guys

So I have this massive dick and I don't know He didn't bring out the fact that like he played hockey for like years Yeah, like come on dude like you know how much leg development? For like hockey players get like this. They all lack attributes. 500 pounds in high school. Rapping 225 the first time you. Yeah.

Oh my God. Have you guys ever seen, there's a sprinter cyclists for the Olympics? Yes. Have you ever seen these guys? Yes, dude. I mean, they shake their legs and they're like, oh my god It's like humans inside the big, huge flesh. It's but I mean look, I get it because as a man You know, you expect a woman to be lower body dominant, right? As it for a man It's not and you know, I hope I don't hurt his feelings, but it's not aesthetic

You're it's gonna be more aesthetic to have a big upper body in a smaller lower body That's not ideal either but from an aesthetic standpoint I understand what he's saying is like because if you're a man and your legs are big and you look like a pair, right? more aesthetic to have a big upper body, a smaller lower body, that's not ideal either. But from an aesthetic standpoint, I understand what he's saying. He's like, if you're a man and your legs are big and you look like a pair, right? You're gonna be insecure about that. But it'll take time, it's gonna take like two years.

That's the thing, decades of playing, you gotta put in perspective how long of a period of just focusing exclusively on the upper body to kind of build and develop that to even come close, is gonna take a while. I felt like it was at least five years for me of consistently having that mentality of never missing legs, right? So, and still this day, this is how I have to think, right? Because I've put so much training volume into my upper body in comparison to my lower that if I am all falling

off or inconsistent, I let arms and shoulders and so on that all the time, I miss, but I don't miss legs. I got a squat, I got a deadlift, I got it. And so it's just a reverse mentality. It's just over the course of the next five years, you never miss that. Narotic about your upper body. Yeah, and you know, work.

You should see that I'm pulling it up right now. I'm like, you look at like Branch Warren when he went nationals versus when he won the Arnold Classic. And you can see he really brought his upper body up because he was so lower. So it can happen, it's just gonna take time. Look, if you love the show, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides.

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