Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2003: Pre-Workout Supplements Vs. Coffee for Performance, the Best Way to Sculpt the Arms, the Effectiveness of the Smith Machine Vs. Free Weights & More

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: When you are trying to bulk, the MOST important factor to consider is the digestibility of your food. (2:20) Why Big Tech is so annoying. (12:07) You’re a fool if you think there is a left and right side. (18:54) Peter Linneman is pretty spot on. (24:25) How ChatGPT will force us to restructure how we educate kids. (27:15) The brilliant research on red-light therapy’s effectiveness on wrinkles. (34:16) Strange News with Mind Pump: Bigfoot study, the mysterious mokele-mbembe, and finding new species. (36:52) How 1/3 of millionaires never made six figures. (45:11) The sad moment you realize your kids don’t want Dad around anymore. (48:06) Mind Pump Recommends ‘Physical: 100’ on Netflix. (53:36) Come see Mind Pump at NCI’s Coaching Con this April! (59:48) A gorilla of prisoners. (1:02:38) Shout out to Jeff Dye. (1:03:38) #Quah question #1 - Are there benefits to taking a pre-workout supplement over something simple such as black coffee or an espresso shot? (1:05:25) #Quah question #2 - What exercise, if any, would the smith machine triumph over a barbell for an advanced lifter given they have access to both? (1:12:09) #Quah question #3 - What’s the best way for women to get sculpted arms? (1:17:45) #Quah question #4 - When doing unilateral movements, should you switch the limb you start with? IE, the 1st set starts with the right side, set 2 starts with the left, and so on? (1:20:56) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump x NCI Coaching Con February Promotion: MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, and MAPS HIIT are all 50% off! **Code FEB50 at checkout** Mind Pump #1952: How To Bulk The Right Way This MAN Broke the Female Deadlifting Record, Woke Culture & The Internet! | Zuby on Mind Pump Mind Pump #1997: Zuby Goes Off On Woke Culture, Freedom, Abortion & Other Third Rail Topics The Daily Wire Steven Crowder Feuds With The Daily Wire Over $50 Million Offer Why did Nicole Arbour walk off Candace Owens' Daily Wire show? #1933 - Jordan Peterson - The Joe Rogan Experience The Linneman Letter | Linneman Associates 89 Percent of College Students Admit to Using ChatGPT for Homework Red Light Therapy for Skin Health | Joovv Data scientist suggests many Bigfoot sightings may be bear sightings Mokele-mbembe: a living dinosaur? The National Study of Millionaires Physical: 100 – everything you need to know about hit Squid Game-style reality series Watch Physical: 100 | Netflix Official Site Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10 – Marcus Luttrell The Strongman who Bent the Bars of his Cell to Escape the Nazis Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP15 at checkout for 15% discount** Mind Pump #1755: Insider Secrets Of The Supplement Industry With Mike Matthews Theanine — Health benefits, dosage, safety, side ... - Examine.com Visit Organifi Peak Power for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump #1417: How To Get Stubborn Arms To Grow MAPS Symmetry Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned ZUBY (@zubymusic) Instagram Steven Crowder (@scrowder) Twitter Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson) Instagram Joe Rogan (@joerogan) Instagram  Alex Hormozi (@hormozi) Instagram Jason Phillips (@nci_ceo_jason) Instagram Jeff Dye (@jeffdye) Instagram   Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness) Instagram

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So if you're interested, go to mapsfitnisproducts.com and then use the code FEB50 for the 50% off discount. All right, here comes a show. When you're trying to bulk the most important factor to consider is the digestibility of your food. Nothing will get in your way of a successful bulk like feeling bloated and not be able to eat enough. So when you're considering the foods that you're trying to gain on, always pick foods that are really easy to digest. This is a hard one to figure out. Do you have any studies that you would reference that help support this argument?

I mean, I know it to be true of experienced it myself. I don't think there's any studies on that. There really isn't. No. That's why I think this is why it's a tough one because until you have tried to bulk for many years and gone through digestive issues and continue to push through that for a long time

and then finally submitted and said, oh, let me fix my gut first and then gone back and seeing the difference. It's hard to explain this one to someone. Well, such an individualized experience. Like in order to figure out which ones work best with you, you have to do the work of knowing which foods to kind of incorporate in that that do the best. And you can, you know, don't have any inflammatory response or anything that you might be potentially allergic to. Yeah, I told you, I mean, I'm going through this now,

so I've been on this kind of, I've been on a bulk now for maybe about six weeks. And usually I have to stop because, you know, guys know, my gut issues are always, always play a role. And now for me, it's a very big difference because poor absorption versus being healthy, it's a huge difference for somebody who's dealt with gut issues. So I always really pay attention to this, but when you're bulking and your calories start to creep up,

if you start to eat foods that you don't digest, well, you're just not gonna be able to eat it enough. You're not gonna be able to hit your targets, and then you're gonna be force feeding yourself or stuffing yourself. And then that lasts the next day, and it just becomes totally miserable. If you only wait to do this,

there has to be something to Salad, be said about if you are eating like that, and you eat a food that doesn't agree with you, that you're literally on the toilet five minutes later, and shitting it all out. As graphic as that is for someone to hear, I know people have experienced that, especially someone who's someone to hear, I know people have experienced that,

especially someone who's trying to bulk. And I know those, it's not like you shit all the calories out and you don't get any of the energy or calories from it, but you gotta think that. You're losing nutrients. You are definitely losing some nutrients. Hey, look, speaking of not getting all the benefits from that. Speaking from personal experience,

the difference between when my gut health is good versus not is like eight pounds of lean body mass. That's a lot. That's a lot. Eight pounds of lean body mass is the difference for me between good and bad gut health. But beyond that, even if your gut health is relatively good, you know, if you start to reverse diet,

which is a bulk, right, or you're just trying to bulk, at some point, if you don't eat foods that you can digest well, you're gonna be met with this like, forcing yourself, stuffing yourself, oh, I don't wanna eat anymore, I feel so lethargic, I feel so stuff. Foods that tend to be easily digestible are typically non-gluten containing foods,

I'd say typically because some people are okay with those, but usually it's non-gluten containing foods, meat tends to be easily digested. Rice is really well, well cooked vegetables, that's another one. A lot of people don't realize this, but raw vegetables tend to cause digestive issues in people, so people are like, oh, I eat a lot of salads.

Well, if you're bulking and you're eating a lot of salads, you'll find digestive issues as well. So things tend to be, you usually have to be really well-cooked, gluten-free, for some people dairy is okay, for other people dairy, is not okay, but pay attention to that. So when you're constructing your bulking diet, look at the foods and of course macros are important,

but consider like, is this something I can eat a lot of and not have any digestive issues? Like you may be tempted, and this is why I'm communicating this. You may be tempted when you're bulking to throw in fast food or hyper-palatable food, because you're like, well, I got to eat 4,000 calories. Let me throw in some pizza. Let me throw in some pizza. Let me throw in a burger.

But then how do you feel afterwards? And then you're screwed for four hours. You feel like you can't eat anymore food because you're so bloated and your digestion's off. So definitely consider this. My guess is that the young male is our biggest offender of this. Sure.

Mainly because I think when you're in that bulking mindset, it's like it's just such a calorie driven pursuit in and to and you're younger too. It's like I'll do anything I can to get size and get big and go through that process all, I'll just cram it all in and suffer the consequences of whatever it is. And like that was kind of like my mentality going into it.

I just feel like that still exists in this message itself is like, look, you got to find the foods that agree with you the best in order for you to actually maintain and keep the nutrients in order to build the muscle. So, you know, you're actually doing a disservice to yourself and it doesn't have to be that much of a struggle. Well, this is true. Then it would be logical to assume that this falls

on some sort of a spectrum too. Meaning that there's these foods that are very obvious that don't agree with you, that you don't digest very well, that are probably potentially affecting you in the amount of nutrients that you're getting from, for example, like I used, you eat it and then ride away, you're on the toilet with that. But that's the extreme. There's got to be somewhere in the middle there too, like, oh, you're still eating things that aren't really toilet with that. But that's the extreme. There's gotta be somewhere in the middle there too, of like, oh, you're still eating things that aren't really agreeing with you. And it's upsetting your stomach,

it's inflaming you a little bit, but you're not throwing up, you're not shooting yourself. And so you just, you stay in that, that those patterns of allowing those foods in the diet versus, you know what, let me try and eat something that agrees with my body more and see if I see a better performance

Better results better recovery better everything from it. That's where I think actually a lot more people land in because It's hard for them to make that connection. I mean, I mean, I'm a for as a trainer and coach So right and I know these things. I think there's still things that I go like oh damn that doesn't affect me Yeah, you know. So here's my test. So I'll ask myself, because you're 100% right, there is a spectrum. There's like super easy digested foods,

and then foods that are obvious, like you eat them in right away, you notice, and then there's stuff in the middle. So I ask myself, is this something that I can eat a lot of over and over again, and I'm okay? Is this something that I feel lethargic afterwards, or do I feel that repeating on me afterwards?

Do I notice any changes in how I feel? So I have foods that I can put into category of, I can eat the hell out of those and I'm really, really fine. For example, for me it's well-cooked vegetables, it's white rice, red meat, eggs, chicken, and fish, all in the super easy digest category. Then there's foods like, I have to be careful with, like I can eat potatoes, but if I crush too many potatoes,

then I start to feel a little bloat. So that's kind of off that a little bit. And then there's things all the way over here, things like gluten and dairy, where one meal contains those, and I'm not gonna feel good. I also think there's a combination of those. For example, and this is top of mind for me

because just literally two nights ago, I think it was, Katrina and I ordered five guys. One, I hadn't had five guys in at least a month or two. And the last, I don't know how many times I'd order five guys, I had ordered just the, what do they call it? Lettuce wraps, right? And then I turned into like a salad, right? And Katrina said, do you want your usual lettuce wraps

or do you want the burgers? I was like, you know, I want the burgers. I haven't had, I haven't had a burger in a while. I was like, I was craving it. I'm like, give me two of the double cheeseburgers from there, right? Oh, it fucked me up. And so, and I'm always reminded this when I tease it out

for a while, and then I reintroduce it, and then it reminds me of like, damn this. And really what it is is a combo of what I found of the bread, the cheese, and the meat from there. It's like one of those, and I isolated in my diet, isn't enough to really... It's all three.

Yeah, it's a good point. It's all three of those are enough of a fender combined together in an over-consumption of calorie meal, and it is like the absolute bond. Yeah, and also consider this, right? When you're in this kind of low state of inflammation, it's gonna affect your hormones, it's gonna affect your recovery,

it's gonna affect your cravings, you're not gonna burn fat as effectively, you're not gonna build muscle as effectively, and then consider this, when you're on a bulk, and a cut, but when you're on a bulk, you really wanna hit your protein targets. It're on a bulk and a cut, but when you're on a bulk, you really want to hit your protein targets. It's hitting a bulk with low protein is going to encourage fat gain. It just is.

So as you know, I'm a, let's say I'm 200 pounds. I want to aim for 200 grams of protein in my bulk. But let's say I only get 100 grams of protein, but I still hit my calorie targets. I'm more likely to gain body fat. So especially when you're trying to hit your protein targets, this is something that's real important in terms of avoiding things that are heavily processed

and junk food. Junk food typically will give you lots of calories, but not very many grams. This was the trap I fell into as a young teenage early 20s kid trying to put weight on, was I was really just looking at calories and until I actually started tracking macros, this was far way before I FYM or even any of the tools

that we have now, we had to do everything by hand. And I understood law of throwing dynamics and so I was so focused on calories that I never really tracked macros and I remember the first time I went to track, and I couldn't figure out why it wasn't building muscle. And I went go on these bulks and I feel like I just put mostly body fat on.

I was grossly under eating protein by a lot. High calorie low protein. High calorie. That's like a pro fat game diet right there. Yeah. And it would just put body fat on. I got very little, if any muscle by just being at this huge, so I did the same thing.

I was more common than not. Dude, I did the exact, I had the same epiphany. I was eating like 4500 calories at one point. And I remember one of my trainers, like how many grams of protein, it's gotta be high, right? I mean, like 100. Was that 120 grams?

Yeah, I was like, oh wow. Same thing. This is probably why, you know, I got up to 230 pounds and I gained like three pounds of lean body mass. The rest was body fat. The rest was not the best. That's probably a reason why. Yeah.

Anyway, I want to change gears here and talk about YouTube for a second. So we aired an interview with Zubi, which by the way, he lots and lots of positive reviews. People really love that episode. Great feedback on that episode. Three hour episode. Zubi actually gave us a great compliment. He says out of the hundreds of podcasts, he's done interviews. This was one of his favorites or one of his best ones,

which was really cool because we think the guy's pretty amazing. But here's what's interesting, right? So we air that podcast on YouTube almost immediately. It gets demonetized, meaning they will not, we're not going to make a single dollar off the Zubi interview on YouTube because they're not gonna put commercials on it. Essentially, it's almost like a shadow band in the sense that they take away commercials and or it's probably reaching less people or getting less recommended.

The reasons that they said that it got demonetized was for using profanity, so bad language. Which I'm pretty sure I was like the cleanest episode we've ever done. It was. I don't even remember swearing once. I saw some drug reference. Which I took me while the fear that I think we mentioned

mushrooms, psychedelics, it was. Yes, right. So it's interesting. So briefly. Briefly. This is why big tech is so unbelievably annoying and frustrating. That would be okay if there were if there were

some consistency, but every single episode we do, we have profanity. So I have a theory around this. Okay, and here's here's my less conspiratorial brain how it goes. Okay, since I'm the least although I'm slowly. I'm slowly. I don't know. I don't know. What's the difference between the facts and the good parts? Yeah, six months. It's down to six months now. Proven to be facts. So what I think happens is I think that YouTube, Instagram,

these things, they have their algorithm that's designed to comb any episode and pick up for any of these things, like have their algorithm that's designed to comb any episode and pick up for any of these things, like you just labeled that we got nail for. I don't think it gets set into effect until a bunch of enough, and I don't know what the number is, people complain about an episode. So because that episode had some very polarizing topics in it,

even though it was received by 90% of the people as a great, even though they didn't agree with that, that what I was really impressed that interview was a lot of people said I don't agree with everything that he said but to listen to the way you guys ask questions and allow him to articulate his answer I really enjoyed it But because an it triggered enough people that actually and those are the same type of people. I'd probably do even listen to the episode. Right, they go out of their way to complain about it. I think that then triggers another thing on YouTube where they're not taking the time and listening to everyone's episodes.

They say they go, oh, hit the filter button, see if it has any of these things. They hit, yeah, they hit the, but well, they wait. Hit the button, the button combs it real quick. Oh, wow, there was drug top, there was this. That's enough for us to fly. And that's what happened. Here's why.

That's my theory. So I would normally agree with you, but here's why you're wrong. We sent in a repeal. We requested a repeal. YouTube went through and looked through it and came back and said, yeah, nope, demonetized. Well, no, okay, so I still think that every episode you're not gonna just say, shit yourself

in this episode in the first five minutes. I don't know, I don't know. This episode will get monetized. Yeah, but here's how you monetize it. But this one, but unless we talk about something extremely polarizing like that, that's not enough to go send 100 people, let's say, to all complain.

Like maybe every episode, we're big enough now that every episode there's at least freaking 10 trolls that like, you know, are some girl that Justin broke her heart when we were in high school and you know, there's a few of those. There's a few that hang around. There's a few that hang around. You know, thumbs down. It thumbs down right away.

Did you know that? Did you know that Justin, that fucking guy? Did you know that Justin, that fucking guy? They're digitally kidding his car, yeah. That's exactly right. Doesn't even matter what we say. Who are you? So, so I think, so I think that happens no matter what.

I think we've reached the size where of course it happens. But then when we have enough of a polarizing conversation, there's a larger group, let's say it's just, like again, I have no idea, making numbers up. 100 people go and say, this is false. And that triggers that. And then when you repeal it, they go back and said, well, no, it picked up all these things. Therefore, it's so inconsistent. And also, that's why it's inconsistent, though. Don't you think? Yeah, that's more realistic.

Maybe, but ever since Twitter came out with the Twitter files, it was very clear, very clear. They had people from the FBI working in Twitter. They had done, you know, politicians had requests to certain things that happened. There were specific types of opinions that were censored heavily and others that were promoted. I think YouTube is part of that. I think Instagram, Facebook is all part of that. I think it's bullshit.

I think it's complete bullshit. I mean, literally of all of our episodes that had the least profanity. And it probably had, we've had episodes that had the least profanity. And it probably had, we've had episodes that were entirely about drugs. This is the first time it was flagged. And I mean, we did, we did hit every topic

that we could. I'm convinced just like Sal getting kicked off of Instagram, it's because it triggers enough people. Because it triggers enough people to go and complain. By the way, I can't, and it was good traction. Oh, wait, no. I can't be let back on. You were that bad.

They went through, so we had somebody who apparently could find out, you know, get you back on Instagram, whatever. What? They went through and they came back and said, it got flagged as a permit. We, they went all the way to the end. Like, okay, we're gonna get it.

We're gonna get it back. We're gonna get it back. Then they got there. It was flagged as a permanent ban, and the reason was because it got, I got kicked off more than eight months ago. So because of that, they're like, sorry, we can never bring back.

What do you say? No way, dude, literally Donald Trump just made it back. Get on. Donald Trump made it, you're trying to tell me, you're more controversial than that dude. No, get out of here. No, no, no, no. I really do think it just has something to do with. My face. Yeah. Yeah, my face. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, It's most likely and but by the way, it doesn't mean that I don't think that the the algorithm is favorite or

You know one sided or bias. Well, I I agree with you But then what happens is and here's my prediction once you're looked at Once you make a little bit of noise because the algorithm picked them up You got some complaints or whatever. Yeah now here's my fear. They're gonna go back We have like I don't know how thousands of episodes on there. They're going to go back and we're going to start getting messages for old shit or now future stuff. Now they're going to be more strict.

This is what happened on my Instagram. Hey, I wanted to ask you since we're talking about some controversial stuff and tech stuff like this and also, so our audience. So Doug doesn't stop sweating over there? No, we're going to stay in this lane. Sorry, Doug. No, I'm actually really curious of your thoughts, or have you been paying attention to the heat that daily wire is getting right now? It's just over the whole Stephen Crowder thing. Stephen Crowder, well that was what kind of,

like, made me pay attention was Stephen Crowder's contract thing. He recorded a conversation. His argument is that they're still, they're still pandering to big tech, you know, even just because they're conservative. It doesn't mean that they're not fighting against the war with big tech. That was kind of his, his argument. And then I saw what came out with Nicole Arbor and her thing, her beef with Candace Owens. And so it just made me, I paid attention. I wasn't really paying attention to them. I'm not a subscriber, so I don't know a lot of the details

of daily wear. I know it's obviously a very strong conservative social platform. I know they're growing exploding right now. And their whole thing is supposed to be pushing back on big tech censoring, you know, kind of conservative type values and views, but this is two situations in this recent month

where I have heard that they're also kind of pandering to big tech also. Yeah, actually, and I was listening to Jordan Peterson on Rogan and he brought up a good point too. In terms of like, do you go on there again? Is it a new one? Yeah, it's a new one.

It was a lot of what we heard when we went to go see him in this talk. He's kind of bringing up a lot of this around the whole global climate, religion that's being drummed up. But what he was talking about to be concerned about too is even as much as he's liking stuff that's going on in Florida with the Santis and some of that movement in terms of like, trying not to censor and all this dirt. Meanwhile, like getting rid of critical race theory

in schools and all this, they're starting to kind of get into conundrum where they have to censor certain information, which then now let's gonna lead them down that rabbit hole of like, what can you actually censor? Because it's there's less subjectivity to it. So that so this is what I'm hearing from Stephen Crowder side and their argument and the

same thing from Nicole Arbor, both of them were saying that you were you're censoring or you're canceling somebody else. So what makes you any better than the crazy left now? You're just the radical right. Right. Right. Two things to look at. One is that we tend to think that because people have similar ideals that they're all

going to get along like each other and want to do business with each other. So just because Nicole Arbor, Stephen Crowder, Daily Wire, you could put in that conservative camp, I guess. Doesn't mean that they're all going to agree with each other, want to work together. Yeah, no different than the, the left. It doesn't just because you have left leaning politics doesn't mean you're like the radical. It's like a monolith wanting to cancel every right.

Right. So that, so there's that. The, the other part is in regards to when you have, I am against censorship and I'm against tyrannical government overreach. Anytime it happens, this is the problem. The problem is that everybody's against it when the other guy does it and everybody's for it when their guy does it. When Trump is in office passing executive orders,

conservatives are like, yay, when Biden does it, conservatives are like, no, you have to understand that it always sets a precedent and DeSantis made it, he did something that I was totally against. Now a lot of stuff he does, I like it, conservatives like, no, you have to understand that it always sets a precedent. And DeSantis made it, he did something that I was totally against. Now a lot of stuff he does I like or whatever, I did not like the way he was with Disney. Disney was outspoken and against him

and against whatever his bill was. And so then he went and threatened Disney to change their tax status because he's the governor, he could do that. That's tyrannical. I don't care if you agree with, you know, if you're against Disney or not for what they did, you should always be against government doing that kind of stuff

or at least be consistent. So, and that's the thing we gotta do because what ends up happening is when you're guys in office or your people are in power and you support them doing shit like that, that means the next guys end up doing the same thing when they're not on your team. And meanwhile, the boots march towards more power,

more government, more to me. I mean, to me, to me, with this conversation what it highlights more than anything else is that, you know, you're a fool if you really think there's a left or right side. Yeah. They're on the same team. It all moves in one direction.

They're on the same team. You're on the military industrial complex. I mean, the biggest warhacking right now is from the democratic side of the fence. Yeah. Like, that was always a big concern. It's because they're in power. Yeah. They're the same thing. They're not, I don't hear any of the concerns from the, no, you know, when they, they both accept that we're going to disagree on these things and we're going to fight over it. So when it comes to war, when the, when the right is in power, the left

is pro-peace. We can't be killing anybody for people. When the left is in power, it's all okay. But it's packaged differently. When the left is in power and there's war, the right is against intervening and we can't be stepping in other people's business to focus on ourselves. It's positioned differently because it's the same thing. Whoever's not in power is the pro-peace party. And it's always just enough people that they can't, I don't have enough power to stop it, but they can say enough to appease the people who don't want to go to war. Or spending, everybody's like, oh, whoever's in power spends all the money whoever's not in power opposes the money spend. And then

they flip and it's the same thing. It's always the same thing. It's just two sides of the same coin. coin, unfortunately. Did any of you guys get a chance? I bet you didn't know and listen to Peter Letterman thing yet. No. I want you guys to listen to that. I just, I think it's supposed to. I was supposed to.

Yeah, yeah, no, they didn't even. He's super positive, right? About the economy and. Yeah, yeah, no, he, well, that's a strong statement to say. He's super positive. I would say that he, or more optimistic than what he's. He's very optimistic that we're in much better shape than a lot of people,

than a lot of headlines would make you feel as far as. Didn't, wasn't his predictions like in the 90%? Like he only had like a few of them that he said that he was wrong. Bro, he's, he's, he's spot on a lot, dude. He's become one of my favorite economists to listen to as far as he's pretty level headed. Now, my buddy, Chris Nagibi, his argument to him is like,

he's like, you know, he's a really smart guy and he goes, I agree with most of what he says. He does have a slight, he says, real estate slant. And so it's in his best interest to be bullish on the housing market. So with that, because that's a lot of where he's in his best interest to be bullish on the housing market, so with that, because that's a lot of where he's made his money. And so when you have that, you tend to be more optimistic in that.

But he goes all in all though, I mean, the statistics and the things that he puts out in his litamin report and what he talks about is true. It's not the biggest thing that we've been talking about is like the credit card debt and all that stuff with that that's going on right now, which is pretty bad. But then when you look at the average net wealth

for average home, it's up significantly way higher. And even the debt, when they give you the numbers on how crazy the debt is, they're comparing to last year or the year before. When you look at it 10 years ago or like that, it's actually nothing. Oh, so historically, it's not crazy. Yeah, so there's a lot of these, so now I'm, it's so hard, right? When you see headlines like that, it's like I can't just take, even if it's from a good

source, right? These are good credible sources, and it's true that, oh, we've had this huge increase in the debt, but then if you just go back to like, oh, eight, and see how upside down it was like, wait, tough, because alarmist kind of headlines like capture, always, always. And so even myself, I have the things. Which headlines are gonna get more close? You have things gonna be okay, or like,

oh my God, we're gonna tank in the world's gonna have to. And then the climate, I mean, yeah, if you alarm everybody, like we're gonna have an apocalypse, then you know, you're gonna get some kind of like, policies of commit. No, you're right. Yeah, which is why I like Linumman, because I think you're gonna get some kind of like policies of combat. No, you're right. Yeah, which is why I like lineman because I think he does a really good job of being

pretty, you know, optimistic. And he's not saying that we're not, we're not due for a correction and coming the other way, but when you look at it from a, you know, 5, 10, 20 year lens, it's not as crazy. We always like to go like, oh, it's up 25% of what compared to last year or, you know, the year before, it's like, what over the course of 10 years, what are we that bad compared to? Yeah, so it's a good list.

You guys don't know what I'm talking about. So we can have a homestown. I got something for you Adam. Yeah, so they just did a poll. How long has Chad GBT been out? What's it, it's like a couple months, right? It's like only been a couple months, right? As far as I know, is there any months or so?

There's a new study that came out, ready for this? This is crazy, but not for a few months. 89% of college students admit to using chat GBT for their home. 89%? That's so high. Oh my god, because I even saw an article in our local newspaper, like, not the Sentinel, but it was one of these, and they were already like, oh my God,

like this chat GBT is gonna like completely change our entire education system. I'm like, yeah, where have you guys been? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mealy, what a thought. I'm 9%. That I know kids, by the way. I know kids, high school kids, seniors and juniors,

who've already turned in papers and got them graded, nobody knows. I mean, this is getting wild. What does that say, Doug? The genius out of the bottle. Launched in November 2020. Two, 20. Two, that is wild.

So from November till now, you already have 89%. So that's just a last November. Yeah. Oh my God. 89%. I mean, to me, that's a testament of how effective it is, right? Yeah. Like you would not have that many kids adopt a new technology.

Like that, unless it was extremely effective. It worked. You know, everybody just does like a text message, like, hey guys, like this is what I did. Well, you know what, remember we've talked about this, is, you know, dating ourselves, but I remember when we talked about could you imagine being back in school with TED Talks and YouTube, I feel like I would have crushed school

just from that, be able to go to a resource that allows me to listen to a lecture by somebody who is a great at lecturing and giving me the information I need and go right very specific to what I need to learn. To do the only thing close to it that I remember is when we got those calculators that could actually do all the

different form, yeah, the formulas for all the different graphs. And because you had to remember and memorize all those things previous to that, then it's like, do we ban these, do we allow them? In the class and they finally allowed them. There's actually a really cool story around the Texas Instrument Evolution.

You have to look that up from a duck. Look at Texas Instrument, no calculator story. We'll circle back to that. Cause you can literally write in everything too and it would store it. And so when you go to take the test, you literally could just scroll on your, like

it's a computer. Like you could like, and so they didn't, they kind of were just like, oh, well, you know, this is part of the curriculum now. What are they going to do with this? Because I don't know how they're going to get around it. They can make right stuff in class. So they're, okay, so there's software that's already out. That is to combat it, right? So they already actually have software. It's way behind though. That's the problem. It's like it's like you it's like drug testing the Olympics. Exactly. They only test what they know. I mean you're right. I mean I who was it that came up with the we interview was it I forgot who we were talking to but they said maybe both they'll do like they do with athletes. So if you win the Tour de France

they'll store your urine and blood for 10 years and test it. Yeah, that's it. Because the technology catches up. How much does that mean? You're like 10 years into your doctor. You're gonna doctor, take it. Oh, no, then this takes you. We're pulling your PhD out

because we just found that like, we just found another portion of your test so done by chat GVT. I mean, actually lazy, sorry. How also the, you know what that would be an effective threat though? Because you might think they're never gonna catch me like, well, that'll work. Okay, so what How also do you do it? You know what that would be an effective threat though? Because you might think they're never going to catch up with that. Well, so what do you guys think about this?

Because this is one of the arguments, like, if that's something that you can use in real life, why would you limit a student to teach themselves through a tool like that? It's the same argument for a calculator, right? It's like, why would you tell them they can't use a calculator for these things and force them to do? It's just, why would you tell them they can't use a calculator for these things and force them to? It's just like it. I feel like it jumped so many steps. I think that's where the alarm sets in. It's like, whoa, like this is way more powerful than those previous tools. Yeah, it is, but the truth is it's going to be here. Yeah, you're right. And they're going to be able to use it in real professional fashion. So that so it's almost kind of silly to try and like, I mean, you're right. That's the future. Right. So obviously right now there's going to try and like, I mean, you're right, that's the future.

Right, so obviously right now, there's gonna be an over correction by teachers. They're gonna be like, okay, everybody writes by hand, essays only done in this classroom, thinking that that's the right way to handle it. But it's like, okay, well, that same student, when they grow up and they're 25 years old and they're an executive for some company,

they're gonna have that resource. And this is where part of me gets like, so if I'm the most negative out of all of us, probably about all this stuff, but the positive side of it and optimism to me is this is gonna have to restructure the way we educate kids. And I think that this whole memorization thing

has been bullshit since day one. In terms of how we've been trying to educate kids, you have to memorize all these facts, you have to memorize, but you're not applying it very well in the real world. Well, literally, the intelligence gap between me and you and Sal is literally Sal's a better Googler. That is it. Yeah.

Literally, you and I would be like, that was such an underhanded I was a slight. I mean, what's he going to say? I give you. I'm a pretty great, little guy. He's a fucking brilliant Googler. He is. We'll be standing here.

I'm gonna teach her that. That's the most brilliant Googler you ever met. Like he's really good. Like we can be having a debate about something. And when his memory is, you'll have a PubMed study that defends his point and I'll be still trying to Google. You know, I'm trying to figure it out. He's already got three studies from the wrong. You know, I'm trying to figure it out. He's already got three studies from here.

You know, we're just killed to that. Listen, listen, 100%. Look, if you look at situations where it's very clear, you need to know who's going to win and who's going to lose. Look at war, okay. We don't teach soldiers today. We don't spend a lot of time teaching them sword fighting skills for a reason.

Why would you teach all your military had a fight really well with the sword when the battlefield, the victory or their losses determined by the advanced weapons? No, that's a great argument. Why don't we just have all of our forces use Call of Duty as their training for warfare? Yeah. Just do play Call of Duty all day long. Let's not actually get a gun, I actually go out there and do a lot of things.

Well, my point is like, if the future of work, the future of productivity is utilizing these tools, then what they're gonna have to do is we're gonna have to teach students how to maximize these tools, not how to do the work that these tools do. Learning how to do the work that these tools

can actually do for you is wasted time, in my opinion. Yeah. It's wasted time. Now the fear is what are we gonna do if we don work that these tools can actually do for you is wasted time, in my opinion. Yeah. It's wasted time. Now the fear is, what are we gonna do if we don't have these tools? Well, I mean, what would happen now if we didn't have electricity and, you know, modern food production?

Elon's the whole thing is to become, you know, to be the cyborg. So you basically just incorporate yourself with the technology. I know. Which is, I mean, again, like this is all like stuff that's like we watched as science fiction growing up and it's like these are real things

that we're wrestling with now going forward that I'm pretty like, wow, this is crazy. Speaking of advanced technology, I've been doing more reading on, we're supposed to talk about Juve, which is red light therapy, right? That you could have in your house. The research on red light therapies effectiveness

on wrinkles is profound. There isn't a single thing that will make your skin look younger, aside from improving your health, right? Then red light therapy. Like literally, if you look at the studies and you compare red light therapy to any other method of reducing the appearance of wrinkles.

That compared to like topicals and everything. Oh, crushes it. Oh, but doing the other option. You got it's like Botox, right? That just paralyzes your skin. It destroys it because it stimulates collagen production. Literally, it does. The reason why your skin changes as you age is it produced, you produce less collagen, the matrix underneath your skin starts to break down. Red light therapy does the opposite,

actually promotes the growth of collagen, promotes these collagen matrix to build. So literally, reverse this time, if you will. Why do you think that Juve hasn't came out with one of the face mass ones yet? So when you talk to them, there's a big difference between the red light therapy you see in studies and then the common red lights and you could buy online. I think just the engineering of like how to get the maximal amount out of those like red light bulbs.

There's a certain spectrum. There's a, I know. So your theory is that probably those ones that are the face mask ones are aren't as effective. Not close. No, no. Cause to me that would be really cool. Like, I mean, I would totally have a go.

I know they're almost need to be like a helmet. I know, but I would totally like, so imagine you like, I wish I was that it would make me more consistent, right? If it was something I could just kind of slide over, slide over my face and I could put it on it, it would be on a timer for 20 to 30 minutes. I could either do something else or even just laying in bed before you go to sleep,

having that over and then be able to do. I mean, they have the go, which is like what behind you. I know, my sister's good about that. So I don't have a job where I'm sitting still at a desk, or I'll stop to me, it'll be perfect. That's what she does. She literally puts it up right next to like your laptops right here and then it's next to it.

It's like shining on her while she works. I think that's brilliant. That's what Jessica's really. Yeah, yeah, she'll just have it on her watch. Yeah, if you have a job, to me, if you have a job or you, you let the city to computer for an extended period of time consistently every day, to me, that would be the move.

There's just to put it right next to, right next to your computer. But the study's on the skin, on changing skin appearance and actually like objectively changing the skin itself. I mean, it blows everything back. Great crazy. And it does it because your body does it. It's not like fake, it's not, you know, paralyzing muscles like Botox and that kind of stuff.

It literally makes your skin younger. I didn't know that. That rivaled all those things. Oh, precious. You're interesting. Oh, Justin, I got something for you. So I had something for Adam with Chad G. P.T. I got something for you.

So I pull up, they did a study on Bigfoot. Yes. It's an analysis. Watch, man. What's it? It's an analysis. And here's what they found. Okay.

For every 900 black bears in an area, in a given state or province, there's expected to have one big foot sighting. So because of this data, they're saying that they think that what people think is big foot is actually a black bear. Because the phenomenon of it is that like black bears, they've shown walk on their hind legs.

And they they'll do that for an extended amount of time sometimes just playing around. And some people see that like it's a upright ape. Yeah, so they think that that may be it because they did the math and like, okay, for every 900 black bears, there seems to be one bigfoot side. That makes sense. Now, the other argument is that that

maybe black bears live or book foot lives. So they all live in the same place. Yeah, I don't know. But what do you think? I still like big foot as an interdimensional time traveler that pops in and out. And so he's real elusive that way. That was my favorite. You know, it sounds crazy ridiculous, but the the part of me that is like, okay, I could get on board a little bit with this is I remember when I heard the stat on how many new like species or whatever that we find. Oh, yeah, it's actually really crazy. Like you we like every day. Okay. We we find like a new animal or

species. I mean, that's kind of crazy. It's really Chilean mubembe. What? You guys ever heard of that? No. Okay. So there's this place in Africa. I don't know the exact country, but maybe the Congo, but it real dense jungle. And there was all these crazy noises,

like a prehistoric, dinosaur kind of noises, right? And there was like this claim that they saw. It was like not a brontist's source, but it was like a really, like a lot smaller. It looked like the same type of species as like those plant eating dinosaurs. So anyways, there was like sightings of it and there's like this crappy video of it

But so there's there was that right and that was like one thing and then there was another one too where it was like Recently and I saw this on like a Joe Rogan clip and they're kind of like talking about this this What's the the the small Humanoid this, what's the, the, the small humanoid species, right? The one that's that was like, they call hobbits. Hobbits, yeah, like hobbit people. And so it's not, it's not, because you know, in the pygmy, like people,

or they're like real small, like, so it's not pygmy. But there was this other place. I think it was in, this one was in India, I think, but they were riding dirt bikes. And all of a sudden, this little person just runs right out in front of them, like it was this real tall grass. And they were like chasing them for a while and then like just darts into the grass. And it was, it was, it was weird looking at this little person just running. And I'm like, you know, of course, it could be doctored and like, there could be messing with the video.

I just thought it was funny that they have some clips like that. Oh wow, so that's the, what did you just call that? I called it the Moquilimo Benba, as just for my memory. Bro, these tropics are crushing for just a minute. I know, I think it was on boy. I actually think it was on, Olivia Dottas or what the fuck?

Boom. Did they find it? So. I don't think so. I think it's, I think this is, I think this is, yeah, they've created a photo to make it look like they found it. Oh, have you guys, have you, Justin, you know this?

But I've heard the audio and it's trippy, dude. You guys should listen. Justin, you've got to know this. So I went down the rabbit hole of lizard people. And apparently there's another happens. So lizard people were alien species that came to Earth and they took over the Earth. And then there's another alien species called Anukai.

Anu, Anunaki. Anunaki, yeah. I knew you would know this. And apparently there was this intergalactic alien federation, right? That kind of controls everything. They came down and they told the lizard people and Anunaki, they said,

you guys gotta leave Earth, leave it to the humans. And the Ananaki said, okay, we'll leave. And the lizard people said, no, this is our home now. That was the story of the story. So that's the battle. Doug, did you look up how many species a day are found? That number for me, so I get my track straight on that. You know, I saw that I just ran into someone's Instagram page.

You brought it with dinosaurs. Look up Ananaki, two-way geochine. It was like one of those sp with dinosaurs. Look up on the top two I got you. It was like one of those spools where they walk around the street and they interview people. And this guy was asking people what they thought about Joe Rogan killed a triceratops, recently in one of his hunting.

And the people that were like out. There was so mad. Yes. Oh, from that Jurassic Park picture. I don't even know where he just did this thing where he's walking around saying, like, did you hear what happened with Joe Rogan, his last hunting, you know, exploration or whatever,

the last thing they killed, he killed the Triceratops and they're in a dangerous piece, is it? And you should have seen some of these people that were like, yeah, they were going on these rants about how wrong it is, everything I thought it was. No, that's fine, because that reminds me of when this, so you know when everybody was getting upset about the trophy hunting and like,

Cecil the lion and all that kind of stuff. So there was like, there was this sort of onion article or something that went out and it had one of the actors from Jurassic Park who was sitting in front of this dead dinosaur. And then it surfaced on social media and everybody's getting up, I can't believe you killed this. You know, there's majestic animal.

So maybe that's it. Maybe that's a dinosaur. It was pretty fun. Bro, look at this. Isn't that crazy? So the year 2016, science described around 18,000 new plant and animal species. That is equivalent of 49 species per day.

We're 400, what is that? 49.3? Wow. Species per day. That's what, okay, so that's on Earth. I remember when I first heard that stat, I was just just a new guinea. I was blown away, because of course, I mean, I want to tease you for something like that, but it's like, is it really that weird to think that we've found some new species when we were on average?

We're finding 49 every single day. No, there's a stripe. That's why. There's this striped, I think it's called a striped tiger that we thought was extinct forever. And they found it and they saw that it was actually, it was in a striped tiger. It was like, so there's this whole movement too.

And you guys have heard of the whole thing of like bringing the woolly mammoth back and like they're literally genetically trying to, you know, clone them and then it was also the Tasmanian tiger. Oh, that's the one. Tasmanian. So they're also trying to, like, a small just, I can't wait to get my pepch. Genetically, clone them and bring them back. It's crazy.

It, dude, like, yeah, this is where my brain gets all, you know, it fires like on all cylinders. There's also like within Antarctica, like just so much there that is like mystery, right? Like there's just like places where there's a cave where it's, you go underneath it and because of the geothermal heating and everything, it's like, it's like a tropical climate underneath the surface of this Crazy like like Arctic tundra and you're like people could live down there. Isn't that with a Nazi basis?

I mean, this is what this is where it gets like you guys won't listen to me if I and take me seriously if I bring back Your conspiracy theories I got you at your conspiracy theory since that's a little more wrinkle in the realistic stuff. I'm gonna let you guys can lay that research. Look it up yourself. That's what he says. Yeah, it's pretty well dug. Look up the on anarchy. I want are they were they giants that were that were here giant Yeah, so and that's the other thing.

It's like a you look at like biblical So you look at accounts of what do they call those? The giants. They lived for a long time. They lived for a long time. Yeah. So there's some weird correlation between a lot of religions and myths that kind of explain why giants might have existed.

Here's an interesting fact. Did you guys know that Antarctica is the continent with the highest IQ? Why, because they're all scientists? That's it. Because there highest IQ? Why? Because they're all scientists. That's it. Because there's so few people, but they're all like super smart science. Of course. I just learned that. I have a staff for you. That's interesting. That's not on your guys' conspiracy science nerd, but it's in the financial world.

I thought was interesting. One-third of all millionaires never even made six figures. What? So they went from nothing to millions. So one third of all millionaires never made an annual income of six figures. No, it just means that they learn, may I've brought up the staff before? They said what the number one thing common of all millionaires I've shared this

before is that they know how to live well below their means. And so one third of today's millionaires never made six figures. So that's just from their wealth growing because from being for being from living well below their means and investing income then like you're bringing home. Yeah. They don't make an income. Right. They became one third of all millionaires net worth. Right. So they could be their house. People wherever never made six figures. But I that's such an alarming number when you think about like one out of every three actually never even made six figures, but that's such an alarming number when you think about like one out of every three actually never even made six figures, six figures, but yet they're millionaires. Over 80% of them two are self-made, so meaning they didn't inherit anything that I get money from. Do you know how many

millionaires in wealth live in the Bay area, people who immigrants who came, like my parents, my parents on paper are millionaires because the house that they bought, you know, long time ago for 200 grand now is worth one point, whatever. So on paper, they're technically millionaires. Now okay, so I wanna say something though to commend them because the average person will just dismiss that as like, well of course, they bought a house 30 years ago.

As you know the discipline, you know the discipline, you know how many people I know that actually bought a house 30 years ago and they don't have millions of dollars because they look at it like a giant savings account and they've just pulled out on their property five or six times. You're fine all the time. So yeah, so I mean, I don't think it's fair to dismiss somebody who, you know, bought a house 30 years ago, held on to it and then be like, oh, well, they're only me.

Oh yeah, but you know, the discipline it takes. Of course. To allow a home to appreciate like that over decades and never, you know, dip into it like most people would. So, I mean, I just think that's really interesting because as a kid who wanted to be a millionaire or so bad when I was younger, you know, I would have been, I was always looking for the jobs. What job pays me the most money and how quick can I get to making that much money when in reality,

the strategy should be more like, oh, how can I live on the least amount of? I can serve the meat. There is no different than this. It's like trying to get lean by speeding up your metabolism. First, it's trying to get lean by burning calories. That's right. Trying to become wealthy by taking your money

and figuring out how your money can make money for you is a smart strategy. Trying to make the money yourself by working more, that is a tough strategy. And there's a lot of people who have a millions of dollars in net worth, very much fewer people who actually make millions of dollars in income. That's a much smaller number because it's much more,

you know, much more challenging. So I have a dad story for you guys. I know the last, I think I told you off air before we started today that it almost made me cry, but it wasn't like a good cry. It was like hurt my feelings cry. Oh, I had my first experience with that, right?

So Katrina and I, this is a couple nights ago, we're laying in bed and Max comes in and we're like actually we're up watching TV. And he hasn't been feeling really well, so we kind of let him just climb in between us. And so he like, muscles in between us, we're finishing up a show right then. He's like, you know, trying to sleep and he's uncomfortable. He's uncomfortable because the lights are on in there, and he can't get comfortable between the two of us and he kind of sits up, he's like half awake. And Katrina goes, do you want daddy to take you back to your bed?

He goes, yeah, my bed. I say, okay, come on. So I take him and I walk him back to his bed. Or I carry him actually. And I'm carrying him back here. And normally what we do when we put him down like that, we normally will lay in lay next to him for a little bit until he kind of falls asleep and then creep out

or whatever. And Katrina does this most nights. And so I'm like, Oh, I haven't I haven't since the we've been at this new place. I haven't even laid laid with him one night. So I'm like, I'm I wanted to lay with him. So I lay him down and I lay with him. And he and he, I first lay him down. He's his head's facing the other way.

And I'm laying there, not even for like 30 seconds. So and then he flips his head over and he sees that I'm laying there with you. And then he sits back up and he goes, I need water. And so I had him as this thing and he takes a drink of the water and he goes, go and I go, huh? And I go, what did you say? And he goes, I don't want you in my bed.

And I said, you want daddy to lay next to you? Like totally deaf ear to it. You want daddy to lay next to you? No, go. And I'm like, okay. I said, good night. I kissed him and I'm like, this ear to it. You want daddy to lay next to you? No, go. And I'm like, okay. I said, good night. I kissed him and I'm like, this can't be, he's gonna get up, right?

I'll walk out the room, go in the room. Katrina's like, oh wow, that was fast. I said, yeah, he told me to leave. I just looked at him, sucker went right to sleep. Layed right over, what's it? Did it again the second night, dude? Two nights in a row, he's done, bro. He's like, yeah, it's totally because of that because if Katrina goes in there

He wants her all cut a lot, but even I've always been able to do that This is now where there's new face now or you don't want that embedded that's too big and hot I remember going through that oh Dude I was just like oh you just what well now you're getting into the teen years, you just wait where you're like, you know I'll text them, they'll be in the, hey, you guys wanna watch a movie together?

Nah. Yeah. Like, ooh. Yeah, then they watch a movie. I made popcorn. You guys wanna hang out as we get, I've got all these plans with their friends. Yeah.

I mean, it's like, dude, well that actually like made a point of, because ever it's like, just young enough, have that like small window left. We went on a hike for like three miles, like in the woods and we just went as far as we possibly could pack the lunch and everything.

Cause I'm like, dude, I don't have this kind of time with him, like it's very short window. So we did that, oh, I was a great time this weekend, but it was like, dude, they're already every weekend, everything is all accounted for now with their friends. Like, their conference, their texts and friends, they're on, you know, their devices like talking to them. It's like, we're just way less cool.

Yeah, I was giving them food and then I got up to do something, Jessica's there and he goes, he goes, Papa, feed me. So I'm like, oh, you like him with Papa, feed you? He goes, yeah, I said, who's your favorite mom or dad? You know, Jessica there, who's your favorite mom or dad? And he looks at me, goes, yeah, I said, who's your favorite? Mom or dad, you know what Jessica there? Who's your favorite? Mom or dad? And he looks at me and goes, mom.

No way. No hesitation. I go, mom's your favorite? And he goes, yes. And I said, oh yeah, but who's the most fun? Who's the funnest? Mom or dad? And he goes, mom.

Like, oh, no, no, no, no. So now I'm trying to trick him, right? So I'm like, who smells the most? And he goes, dad. I'm like, oh, you know what you're saying, damn it. You know? And he looks at his mom too, like, uh-huh, I'm on your channel. I'm like, all right, whatever.

The only plus side to it for us, I find you thinking that you're for us is that there's been times and I always feel bad, but I also go, ha, see, is that he wants her so much that when there's moments when I'm like, poor Katrina, she's just like wants a break, you know, where she's just like, I don't, but she'll ask him. Do you want daddy? Daddy will go take you. Daddy will go lay down with you. He's like, no, no, no, I want mommy. I want mommy.

I got the youngest. I got dolly in now, right? She's two months old. I'm like, gonna cross my finger. Be a daddy's girl. I just want one of those. You know what I mean? I just want a little girl that's just, so if you're having anything with daddy. I think she will. Now, is there, I imagine it's still though, at the, obviously her young age, that it still will be the attachment more to the moment.

When does the, the, the daddy's girl phase normally start? It depends. I have friends whose, their daughters were like that. So my older daughter was never like that. She was never daddy's girl. You don't think she was now?

No. Oh, really? No. I feel like your daughter's dad is. She was never Daddy's girl. You don't think she was now? No. Oh really? No. I feel like your daughter's dad's. She loves me, you know, all that stuff, but she's not like that. Like I have friends with daughters where they're like Daddy's girl, you know? But my daughter was, she's never been like that.

Now, if she really needs something or whatever and you know, something happens, she'll talk to me. But I mean like that Daddy's girl where, you know, they follow Dad around, whatever. No, I never... My uncle has that. So I'm like hoping like my younger... He has two daughters has that. So I'm like, hoping like my younger. His two daughters like that, like I think as a,

if I had a girl, I would aspire to have that relationship. We're there 20 years old now. And if their dad's sitting on the couch and they come to the living room, like both girls, like lay on him. Really? Yeah, just, we can be, middle of the day conversation and doesn't matter how the seating arrangement is in there,

they'll come over wherever he's at and you know, like a leg over him or head on the shoulder. Yeah, and just and it's so and you see it every time we were around like, oh, that's so cool that he's built that. Dude, I got to tell you guys about a series on Netflix. I was going to bring up. I want to bring it up before this intro ended. It's called physical 100 on Netflix.

Have you guys seen I did see? No, I watched a preview and it looks very squid game-esque. Well, I mean, it's because it's Korean. They're both Korean, but it's not racist. No, no, no, actually, I see why because it's like, it's like games, right? Yeah, yeah. And then it's not in English either. No, so it's brilliant though. So Jessica and I started it last night. So what they did is they took the best physics and athletes from Korea. Everything from bodybuilders, power lifters,

runners, Olympic gold medalists in judo and Taekwondo, MMA celebrities that they have, female athletes, boxers, wrestlers, gymnasts. So just a wide variety of what they would consider the best physiques. And then the premise of the show is they put them through these challenges. Some of the challenges are,

because I saw the previews, I only watched one episode. Some of them like definitely reward brute strength. Others reward agility or stamina or skill, like there's, because as I'm watching these athletes come in and they're kind of talking about them, they'll show who they are. I see like this one MMA fighter

and then this one like judo black belt. And I saw on the previews that there's like, where they have to wrestle each other, I'm like, oh, they're gonna kill everybody in the wrestling. Yeah. But it depends. So the first event, they all go out, there's a hundred of them. So they all go out and the first event is the ceiling comes down and it's these bars

and you have to hang on the bars with your upper body and then it goes up and the first 50 people to fall loose. So they have to figure out how to hang on to the bars. Yeah. And I'm like right away, the power enough to somebody was dead. Yeah, yeah. Those guys are going to hate me. Oh yeah, true.

They were these, they were these, uh, and then they had some like, some guys on the weren't even athletes. They were just like massive dudes. They fell pretty heavy. Oh yeah, dude. They were these, they were these, and then they had some like, some guys on, they weren't even athletes. They were just like massive dudes. They fell right away. There was this one girl that, she had great technique. She put her arms over the bar, and then hooked him around her leg, and then brought her legs together,

and I told Jessica, I said, she's gonna beat everybody, and she almost did. What was her, what was her, that? She was, I think she might have been a YouTube, there was a couple of YouTube stars. Oh really? Yeah, but her technique was really good. She's watching that YouTube video. She was like, I there was a couple of YouTube stars. Oh really? Yeah, but her technique was really good. She's watching that YouTube videos.

She's like, I've seen a video on this. It's gonna be walking on my lost YouTube influencer again. It's gonna be interesting though, because I can't wait to see, because I think I can predict, I thought the gymnast would win the hanging thing he did. He killed everybody, obviously, gymnast, he better. But then they're gonna be one where they're gonna lift like a super heavyweight.

Yeah, arm wrestle or whatever, like you're gonna obviously the boots, But then they're gonna be one where they're gonna lift like a super heavyweight. Yeah, arm wrestle or whatever. Like you're gonna obviously, the boots, right? It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a fun. I mean, what would you say? Well, did they have like a CrossFit Games guy or girl? They also had like special forces people. And you can see when you look at,

so Jessica and I were playing this game when they were walking out, Jessica was telling me like, okay, what do you think they do? What do you think they do? And some of them might get guests right away, like bodybuilder, power lifter, some of them more challenging. I picked out the wrestlers. I can always pick out wrestlers, but it's pretty interesting here. So to me, not just their ears, like the female wrestlers came out, they said, it's really wide now. So if you guys were to guess, so on who would probably what type of athlete would do the best in a competition like that?

I would lean towards actually like a CrossFit Games kid if they don't do a lot of athletic endeavors like sports like by ball sports throwing a ball hitting a ball. So that's where they will that's where they'll get their ass kicked by like another athlete like I say somebody who's just like well-rounded like you know player could play volleyball, basketball, football, it doesn't matter. They're athletic like that. They'll actually, so if they just do it around strength, stamina, endurance, flexibility, I feel like the CrossFit Games athlete would be one of the more well-rounded.

I think they would do well. I think gymnasts will probably do really well. The wrestlers are probably going to do really well. You're probably going to see the winner for the men is probably gonna be around 170 pounds, 180 pounds muscular, and for women, probably around 135, 40 pounds. For me too, the special forces mainly

for the mental fortitude that we would have over that. They have a special force person in there. So, so I'm so interesting you said that. So on the hanging one, I said the gymnast was gonna win because for anybody who doesn't know, if you've ever seen a gymnast hang on a bar, it's like you're looking at a chimpanzee, like they'll hang there and just,

like they'll eat a sandwich with the other hand. And this guy was, there was this gold medal gymnast. He was great with their toes. He was crushing everybody, but second place was this instructor for special forces. And he was a lot bigger, but you could tell that he didn't care if his arms broke off like he was up there Yeah, his arms hung over the bars and he just and you could tell his mental fortitude

You know pain a lot. Yes, and the gymnast was they interviewed him afterwards And he's like I definitely couldn't lose because my friends would all make fun of me if I didn't win this event He goes but I was looking across I would take this special for I didn't know there's a special forces person. You know, they, I mean, because that's all mental, that's all mental. Well, and they also tend to attract like the ideal body type for that overall thing.

I remember when I first, what book was that that I read that I wrote, a loan survivor, and I remember reading that, and they went into like buds and talk to me. And I didn't realize like what the average weight and size of like the guy who not big dude. No rarely ever does the big Jack dude make it out of those things.

He's they're normally like a 5, 10 ish and 180 pounds or so guys are not far. Yeah, it's just yeah, just really yeah, like good natural strength, not too tall, not too short, not muscular and fit,, not too tall, not too short, muscular and fit, but not too muscular. Like it's interesting to see what comes out of that. Which so someone like that body type, I think, would do.

If they have some athleticism too, because that's where you'll get crushed by some of the athletes is if they do a lot of skill stuff throwing, hitting, involved in it, so. Yeah, interesting. But yeah, the bodybuilders are gonna get their asses Unless it comes like the pure strength like this is like a mere event Yeah, yeah, there was just one chick that was a female bodybuilder and she was like she's like twice as big as me, dude

You're showing her flexing and stuff before she goes out. I'm like Oh, she lost her way She had bad technique too. She was just hanging on with her hands. Like, what are you doing, hang over the bar, idiot? Yeah, you get your ass. It's not about movement. Doug, I had a question for you. I know today we have NCI for a commercial.

Is, when is the event that we are all going to in, in Arizona, right? I should know these because I've been asked and I don't know the topic. Yes, in Arizona, it's in April, the exact dates. Let me see if I can pull those up. Is April, is right now you can me see if I can pull those up. Is right now you can enter to win and go there for free.

Is that what the entry is? No, there is actually signing up. So we have an event there, those who sign up this week, as well as book their hotel. We're gonna have an event at the hotel and it's gonna be us there with the participants. The only way to go to the event and see us is if you were in that hotel. That's correct.

I know they have a bunch of great speakers that you have access to, but to have access to our private thing, you have to also stay in that hotel. You want to know what's really crazy? We had NCI come by, or they brought some of their coaches and trainers we met with them all. We've now been to, how many events have we been to at a coaching con?

Five, I like five, yeah, I say somewhere else. The amount of coaches and trainers, so online coaches and trainers, the amount that make, like deep six figures a year, which is if you're a personal trainer, and you make over deep six figures a year, which is if you're a personal trainer and you make over a hundred grand a year, you're better than 90% of the trainers in America, okay?

I can't believe how many of these trainers I meet and they talk about their, because they do lots of business coaching, making one girl, 700 grand. Yeah, I know. I'm always, as a coach. I know, I'm always so impressed because, you know, I've had success outside of fitness,

but the most fit success I've had with in fitness has been with you guys and what we've currently built. And so when I hear these other coaches and trainers who I know look up to us a lot of times and admire what we've done and built, and I see what they're doing, I'm like, you're doing a lot better than I was, but I'm like, you're crushing what I did.

Yeah, I mean, so you gotta make sure you patch yourself on the back every once in a while now. They're like, oh man, mine pup, all this time. I'm like, listen, first of all, I've got three other brilliant men that I have partnered with and we have an incredible team of people. You have the Googler. I'm gonna use the best Googler on our Googler. I mean, for you to have built a business like that,

several of them, 300, 400, 700,000 a year. I can't believe that's so impressive. But there's so many I've met, so I thought it was like a fluke, but we've gone so many times down. I meet so many of them who are making tremendous amounts of money doing online coaching, and then it's iterative. They continue to do it every single day. No, Jason has done a really good job. A really good job. I mean, they have an incredible system input.

Something I would have needed if I, because I'm not very very organized and that was always my bottleneck or Achilles heel, in scaling my personal business, having someone like that that I could lean on to help, systemize everything for me would have been, it would have been, totally. Big advantage, you know. All right, one more thing, I got, this is just short, but I saw this and I want to bring up, because I think it's really cool. I read about this French waitlifter who was jailed by the Nazis. Remember the Nazis took over France, they, whatever. He was a waitlifter.

He got, they threw him in jail. He broke out of jail by bending the bars. He bent the, I have a picture of him here. It was dead. Yeah, his name is Charles Riggleock. I don't know if I'm pronouncing right. He bent the bars escaped and then beat the guard who took hell to bid there and escaped. What? You imagine

an actual prisoner bending the bars and escaping. How strong do you have to be to do that? I didn't even think that was possible. I thought they would have. I feel like that would be something that they test before they put the bars in prison.. Like, don't you think? Like, there should be some sort of like, I feel like if you can bend the bars. I feel like if you can bend the bars with your hands, you deserve it. I know, I feel too. I feel like, I'll let him out. I'll let him out. If you can escape, you can get out.

I'll let you go. That's what I'm gonna say. Yeah. What do you guys have for a shoutout? Did you guys have somebody on your list? I do not. I do not. Oh, look at you guys.

So, I'll find, I had this, this comedian that I've been sharing and I actually had so many people ask me and so I should do it just for that reason because I, I didn't tag him. By the way, I have that repost app that Justin turned me on too. That's when, so people that have asked me like, how come you don't put the person's name on it?

When you do the repost app, but just automatically puts their stuff out there, but it doesn't put their name. And his name is Jeff. I wanna say, Jeff Dyer, he's really funny. I really like his stuff, and I've never seen him before until right now. So it is Jeff Dyer and Dyer's DYE. So Jeff DYE.

You've shown us this. Yeah, I've shown you guys, I don't know if you guys are following him yet or not, but I had never seen him before. I.E. You've shown us this. Yeah, I've shown you guys. I don't know if you guys are following him yet or not, but I had never seen him before. He's, I love following. I love finding comedians and just artists in general when they're like smaller like this and up and coming, you know, like I think a tie fish is another, a tie their fish is another guy that I follow that.

I remember finding them when they were really small and like watching their, their fame as they grow that Uncle Azar that Uncle Lazar who he's like, he just quit like working and he's full time going into comedy because he's done so well. He's getting pretty big. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. So this guy's a good one, good follow. What's up everybody?

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First question is from Steffers in Progress. Are there benefits to taking a pre-workout supplement over something simple such as black coffee or an espresso shot? Oh, I love this question. I like it because there is some benefit, however, it's not huge. So if you look at pre-workouts,

much of the benefit that comes with pre-workout is from the caffeine. That's what people feel the most. That's what's contributing the most to improvements in performance. Now, pre-workouts will typically contain other compounds like citrulline, for increased blood flow. There's some studies that show that might help.

Beta-alonine, which seems to help with things like stamina. And then smart pretty workouts will have compounds that will balance out the caffeine. Like theanine. Yeah, like theanine or other herbal compounds that help or mushrooms smooth it out so that you can have long lasting performance. Now the difference isn't huge. So for somebody who's like really into working out, I think it makes sense. But otherwise it's not that big of a deal. Just regular caffeine seems to be okay for a lot of people. And pre-workout, the category of pre-workout, they didn't exist up until maybe 15 years ago. Before that, it was pretty non-existent. Well, even when we talked about, uh, trying to increase pump, like what we had talked

about for the most part was that drinking more water was pretty much the fights when it came to, you know, getting that same kind of a feeling and effect. But they do have those other ones that you'd mentioned in terms of like trying to enhance that a bit further. But I honestly, I think in terms of feeling something, and like if you're not, you don't have that like immediate access of energy, like caffeine in whatever

form I think coffee is plenty sufficient. Well, what are, okay, so what are the most common compounds that we find that are in pre-workouts that have been proven in studies to show some sort of benefit? And then if you were to extract each one of those, like how would you rate them? For example, beta-allene, citrilline, branch chanel amino acids are probably the top three things that are added to pre-workouts that are most common, would you say? Yeah, I mean, and explain to me,

and I know the research, I know I've talked with our good friend, Mike Matthews, who talks a lot about his pre-workouts and he's got a lot of his stuff is dosed really well and and and solid stuff right. What when you look at it like and I what what is the difference is it like really speeding hair. No, yeah, that's small. It's small. You know who it matters. It matters to the person who's a fanatic. So like, you know, I work out five days a week every single week for the most part. And so for me, it's a big deal.

It's like, you know, it's like somebody who's a car aficionado, like small details are gonna matter versus somebody who just drives a car to work. So that's where it kind of makes sense. Other than that, it really isn't that big of a deal. In terms of results, it's not gonna make that big of a difference. Really, it's about feel.

It's about the enjoyment of the workout. So the way I like to look at pre workouts is, is this going to make something I like a lot, or I love a lot, even more enjoyable? That's how I tend to pick a pre workout. Not am I going to take this pre workout and build more muscle or burn more body fat. Now, you can make the argument

that the more you enjoy the workout, the better it's going to contribute to better results. And that's a fair argument. But to say that there's this dramatic difference between coffee and a pre-workout, I mean, there really isn't. I don't necessarily do coffee, because coffee

can sometimes bother my gut. But aside from that, I mean, coffee is natural. It's packed with antioxidants. It's good for you. And it's got the caffeine that people are looking for. Now, I mean, coffee is natural, it's packed with antioxidants, it's good for you, and it's got the caffeine that people are looking for. Now, I will say this, you could take coffee, take some fiending with it, and you'll get a better benefit. If you look at pre-workouts, I think the way that you should look at them is rather than what's going to give me more blood flow or better pump, like that comes from water being

healthy. I think you should look at it and say, what's gonna give you the most the best mental effect? That's where you can find pre workouts that might make a difference. And you wanna look at compounds that balance out the stimulatory effects of caffeine.

Things that make the caffeine, like I don't know about you guys, but have you ever had too much caffeine where you work out and it makes you feel out of breath? Yeah. Cause you have too much caffeine. So that can happen to some people with caffeine. So have something that makes the caffeine feel smoother,

feel more steady. So you're not shaking on the bar or with the dumbbells where you feel more concentrated, not just gacked out of your mind. D. A. D. Anine is amazing for that. D. Anine does that for sure. It's one of my favorite things that you've got me to do. But like cordo-step, social ganda,

there's lion's mane can help with that kind of stuff. You know, a good test for the person asking this question for sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure.

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So you got to give your coffee a fair shot if you're gonna compare it to a pre workout on the dosage. So, and even cheaper and easier ways to get straight caffeine pills. Straight caffeine pills are hell, what should I do some time? And they come in 25 milligram doses, normally 25 or 50 milligram doses.

And you know, pop. You should time it a little bit better though. Yeah, it takes a little bit longer, maybe 30 minutes or like that. 30 to 45 minutes. Yeah, 30 minutes I can, especially if it's early the morning and on a, on a, little bit better though. Yeah, it takes a little bit longer, maybe 30 minutes or that. I do 30 to 45 minutes. Yeah, 30 minutes I can, especially if it's early the morning and on a long time. That's how I do it. Yeah, if you eat it with a meal,

you probably give an hour just to be safe. But, you know, compare, you know, do the exact amount of caffeine pills to what your pre-workout is. And I would make the case that you'll feel pretty much the same thing energy wise in your workout with what most people. And here's what I do.

I work out five days a week usually. I save the pre-workout type stuff. So I'll take peak power, that's organized supplement that you could classify as a pre-workout. I'll take that on my most important hardest workouts. The rest of the time I'm doing just caffeine or something mild. This way you can either save money, but besides the money saving, it's really about maximizing the effects because if you do something high-powered all the time, it loses the effect anyway.

So I would recommend to clients, I would tell them, use this on the two workouts of the week that you really want to get after it, the longest, hardest workouts. That way you really feel it and it makes a big difference. Use it all the time. It starts to lose its efficacy. Next question is from Danielle Pizzano. What exercise, if any, would the Smith machine triumph over a barbell for an advanced lifter given they have access to both?

Yeah, I picked this one because I noticed that one of the coolest hair I'll slap this question. I tell you what, I'll say this. Okay. I have some. So do I. I would look, for most people, you know, 90% of people. You're gonna arrest a push-up. There's a landslide.

I have a code hanger. Usually that's what I would do before. I push up her body row. But for 90% of people, you know, you don't really need to use a Smith machine. Now, for the 10% out there that are advanced, a Smith machine, you can really target and isolate and squeeze muscles because you don't have to worry so much about balance. Like, for example, if you do an incline barbell chest press

or a barbell bench press on a Smith machine versus with a barbell, with a Smith machine, you can focus just on really squeezing the pecs. So for bodybuilding purposes when you're advanced, I could see it having value with a lot of different actually. Same thing with a barbell row. You do a barbell row versus a row on a Smith machine. With the Smith machine, you can really just focus on

squeezing the lats and the muscles of the back versus having to balance the bar. But for most people, I don't see... For chest and shoulders and training hypertrophy and the ability to take it up to failure without deviating in form and not worrying that someone's gonna catch it because you don't need a spotter.

And it's on the same track. Or doing drop sets, I could see, value in it. Now, I never like to use it for lower body. I think that's where the most controversy is with, and here's my theory on that. I know there's people that love to do split stance squats on there, even regular squats on there. In my experience, training people, so many people have so much dysfunction in their feet and lower body that using a machine like that's a terrible idea And it's a very and you can make that case for up or two Which I know that would be Justin's argument like Justin be like I would never do upper body on that even because

Kettlebells and free weights so much better for the shoulder joint and I know he'll come from that angle for sure And I don't disagree with that at all But I think there's less risk and it's less of a bad choice for like upper body stuff like shoulders and chest. I think it's a terrible choice for lower body for the reasons that I'm bringing up that most people have weak ass feet and you and have terrible ankle mobility and have terrible hip mobility. And if you put it on a Smith machine track because you want bigger quads or target the glute

better or whatever you're using it for lower body, I think you are really missing out on what most people really need to be focusing on when it comes to lower body, which is getting their feet stronger, getting the better ankle mobility, getting more stability in the hips, and you are really losing that, losing out on that. To to me, that's the reason why I would never do it for lower body. Yeah. I'll give you two exercises for lower body, where if you have good scale, good technique,

you're somewhat advanced, that I think are okay. Split stance, so like split stance, like a lunge, or squat where the feet stay stationary, and a front squat. And it's not a traditional front squat. A front squat on a Smith machine, you stand, your feet are in front to view, almost like it's almost like you're doing a hack squat,

like a sled. So your feet are in front of you, you're kind of staying back with the bar. Now you're considered obviously an advanced lifter, but I don't think I would ever see you do a smith of that. Oh, okay. No. So even caution saying advanced,

because you could be an advanced lifter, and really good at lifts, but then you have a ton of dysfunction in your lower body. Yeah, I just say you can get away with more when you're that advanced, and you can isolate and squeeze, right? I mean, I agree with you. Yeah, also inverted rows.

Yeah, I agree. Two things. I mean, did I hit what your point would have been as far as I, I mean, that's why I didn't contribute. I mean, did I hit what your point would have been as far as like that's why I didn't contribute. I mean, that's you guys covered it. Well, I don't disagree. And I know that I think that's a very smart valid point. And I just don't see why I would ever do that with a client. Now, does that mean, though? Okay, that today you're chalking today up as a lazy day. And it's one of, I think where you get into trouble is when it becomes a regular thing, thing right that doesn't mean like you would never catch me on a

Smith machine if I was going to do bench press day and every bench press was taken the Smith machine was open I haven't used the Smith machine for bench in two years. If I'm doing all there is is cardio equipment and I'm on vacation and there's a Smith machine or something. Yeah. God forbid somebody sees me doing it. Look, if I'm bodybuilding and in a bodybuilding where I'm just isolated, you'll see me use it. You'll see me use it for certain areas that I have trouble feeling. I don't even want to say trouble feeling.

I'll use it as a way to get a pump and it kind of add novelty. But it's just, I wouldn't place the Smith machine in the top 10 of, you know, valve. I would just caution people from making it a regular thing, especially when you have all these areas to be addressing in your lower body. And that also applies for upper body too. If you have all kinds of shoulder dysfunction

and you're using it too, it's also not a good idea. But you got all the stuff that you should be working on with your feet and your ankles and your hips, and then you're getting yourself on a machine. And that by the way, that would go for a hack squad or any other machine too. I would just encourage body weight or free weight squatting, lunging, Bulgarian splits. There's so many other step-ups, so many other great movements that you should be doing and not neglecting instead of using the Smith machine. Next question is from KDC Soto. What's the best way for women to get sculpted arms?

Easy. Same way for a man to get sculpted arms. Okay, let's think about this. Let me hear your sexist answer. Yeah, it's, well, it's for anybody, right? Build muscles in the arms and get lean. That's really it. Yeah. And I think when people ask this question, they don't realize that that's the answer because they use things like sculpted and what about for women as if it were any different, right? As if it were any different from anyone. If sculpted means shape, the shape comes from muscle. Build, muscles in your arms. Let me tell you the biggest challenge that the most common challenge that I saw in my career with women in this for this question is in order to get sculpted arms to South's exact point, you need to build muscle. And building muscle requires a calorie surplus and a quote-unquote

bulk. Right. That is a big uh, so so you get, I get a female client, common goal, lose body fat, lean out, get sculpted arms, get a flat tummy. That's what I want. And you say, I really want sculpted arms. I say, okay, well, then what we should do is go in a calorie surplus and a bulk and build your arms. And then we will cut down the body fat and then reveal the hard work that you've done. And the challenges, they also want to trim down

at the same time of sculpting these arms. And what we really should do is dedicate a part of your training in a bulk and building and letting go that, oh, your shirts might fit a little tighter or your arms might look a little bigger temporarily while we build this muscle. That freaks them out. That freaks them out.

And also, I mean, it's the multiple rap thing of, I don't have got gone through this multiple times, even with Courtney, too, of like, you know, really trusting the fact that if we're a strength training now, like we need to actually just be more conscious of loading. So, you know, press ourselves a little bit more intensively on, you know, the amount of load we're lifting for the arms

as opposed to just like getting that burn where we're just like continuously doing reps in order to feel it. So much of proper training is psychological, it's not even funny because if you're trying to get, you know, if you're trying to get sculpted arms, the last thing you want to do is feel like your arms are big and bulky. Well, if you're in a bulk and you built a little bit of muscle in your arms, you're not going to build a ton of muscle in your arms because most women can't build massive arms, but you're going to build some. So let's say you add a quarter inch

of muscle on your arms and you're in a bulk. So you're not necessarily getting leaner because you're trying to build. Now your arms just feel bigger and they're not, they don't look leaner. So now you're freaking out. It's just like when a guy is trying to get leaner and at first he just feels smaller. So he freaks out. So it's so psychological to trust the process. Because what you don't want to do is get in this position where you freak out.

So then you go on to cut and you just end up with skinny arms. If you just want skinny arms, we're just okay, lose weight. But if you want arms with shape, you have to build. So there's going to be a time in between where they're just going to feel bigger and bulkier. And by the way, they feel bulkier than they look. I know a lot of them come out of my arms.

They're like, so bulking. I look at them like, I don't notice. If anybody, it looks more shapely. Yeah. Yeah. So it's so psychological. Next question is from Lift for Carbs. When doing unilateral movements, should you switch the limb you start with?

For example, the first set starts with the right side, the second set starts with the left side and so on. Only if both sides are perfectly equal. If both sides are perfectly equal equal, then you can totally do this. Now, that's not true. Oh, right. Okay, let me clarify this because it took me a minute to unpack what they were saying. So they're basically saying like, let's say they are doing because it took me a minute to unpack what they were saying. So they're basically saying like, let's say they are doing single arm dumbbell curls. The first set, they start to single dumbbell curls with right arm and the second one they go left.

Cause it makes a difference which, so my answer would be actually be almost never. Because rarely ever is there not some sort of a discrepancy, even with really advanced lifters, like all of us in here, I would still say that I still have a little bit more dominant side than one side or the other. Always start with the weaker side. So that's dominant side, first always. Always the weaker side. The weaker side dictates what

the other side should look like and you should pretty much always keep that. And even when you are really balanced, you're always going to have a side that's a little bit stronger than the other side. And so you start with the opposite side. And by the way, so we have a program called Map Symmetry, which is about bringing balance between the right and left side. And we actually had a young lady who is on her forearm, very fit. Oh, yeah, she did the bio thing. And she did a dexascan where they, dexascan will tell you how much lean body mass you have on your right arm versus your left arm, right leg versus your left leg.

And she had it before and after. And in the before, there was a discrepancy between right and left, which most people have this. Most people have one side strong on the other. And she was somebody who was fit. So the discrepancy is larger, likely larger with people who are not fit. People who are fit tend to have more balance. Nonetheless, there was like a point three or point four pounds of lean body mass difference between the right and left side. She did map symmetry and followed our advice, which was start with the weaker side, and she balanced them out perfectly, perfectly.

The crazy thing about this is that's muscle that would not have been built as she trained bilaterally, because bilaterally mean both sides at the same time, your body's used to, it's imbalance. So because she did eat a lot of our training, because she started with a weaker side, because she let the weaker side dictate the reps and the weight for the stronger side, the stronger side maintained while the weaker side built,

which would have never happened. And so she ultimately built more muscle as a result. Yeah, you'd allow that strong compensation to persist, which then would keep developing it at the rate it was developing when in fact, addressing it, allowed her other side to catch up, which then gave that more symmetrical appearance. That was such a great testimony.

Because she actually tested beforehand. So, yeah. And then, so good. We're sure everybody did that. We went to that product. But again, you want to start with your weaker side. Let the weaker side dictate the reps and the weight. And then when you go to your stronger side, even if you feel like you could do more, don't

copy the weaker side because the goal is balanced. The goal is not to maintain the imbalance. You want to maintain the imbalance and find you more reps with your stronger side. But the idea is to maintain balance. So start with the weak side. If everything is perfect, which that's almost never the case, then yeah, then you can switch right to left, but that's almost never the case. Look, if you like Mind Pump,

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