Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2009: What to Do When Fat Loss Stalls, How to Be Fit to Age 100, Cutting Fat vs. Cutting Carbs for Fat Loss & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:03 Contrary to common belief women do not prefer a dad bod. Sorry gentlemen, that is false. It is not true. I know right now there's a. I thought that was true. No, well, that's not true. Let's talk about it. Or is are you changing the definition of what a dad bod has become? Well, I think if you're a dad, then you have a dad bod, right? But no, all joking aside, there's another, I don't know what it was, a study or a poll done and women per se that they prefer to dad bought. By the way, these studies when they go deeper, it's like, who would you prefer to have a one night stand with? I think I, who would you prefer to have a relationship with? Right. Dad bought. So we got to look deeper

Starting point is 00:02:44 into this. The safe guy and the dangerous guy. Well, isn't that because he's more likely to stay faithful if he's not as attractive? Is that what then? So that's the insecure female, I guess hypothesis, right? That the female is insecure. So if a guy looks too good, that she won't wanna be with him

Starting point is 00:03:07 because she feels threatened, right? That he's gonna attract too much attention. The other theory, which I think is true, and if you actually read what women say, this is probably what it is, is that women perceive a fit guy, somebody who's really fit, they perceive him to have a type of personality,

Starting point is 00:03:28 any type of narcissism. So because he looks fit, or really fit, they think he cares about. Just make all these assumptions. Yeah, he cares a lot about himself. He's not gonna wanna pay attention to me. He's too in to himself. So it's probably not somebody I wanna be with.

Starting point is 00:03:42 How much truth do you think of those? That's a great, great question. I think it could be true, but I also think that somebody, because we know this, we know people are fanatical. That's a very political, correct way to say that. Of course, it could be true. I'm asking you, what do you think? Do you think it's more common than not?

Starting point is 00:04:01 Do you think it's rare? I would say it depends. If the person has been doing it for a long, long time, then they're more self-aware, more growth-minded, more disciplined, they're a better person. If it's like this short-term kind of thing, especially if they're young, then yeah, you might be dealing with somebody who's like obsessive, you know, about how they look and...

Starting point is 00:04:26 What do you think? All that. Well, isn't there less people with six packs than millionaires? Yeah. Yeah. Right? So, I would think, I mean, that's a very small group of guys that are very obsessed with a very specific goal.

Starting point is 00:04:43 I mean, if that's what we're talking about is these guys are like obsessively fit or are we talking about just fit in general? No, like pretty obsessive fit. Like really obsessive fit. They're just, they're just, single-digibody fat. Well, how about that?

Starting point is 00:04:54 Well, when in this, in this study. I think the majority of them, I would say, probably lean a bit more in the narcissistic range. Well, we have to be careful with assumptions because there's also assumptions that a millionaire or a billionaire inherited their money. They got lucky You're not really so hard or hard to working. Yeah, that's right I think would I think the point just is making I think I don't know I could get behind that The that the majority is that that is all

Starting point is 00:05:19 Exceptions rule doesn't mean there's not people that are single-digit body fat maintain that have a very good Healthy relationship with their with their image, their body image, my seating and training. Yeah, but I said fit bod, not body builder. I think there's a big difference. Well, you said single digit body fat. Okay, well, that requires a certain level of, you know, maybe obsession. But I think, okay, so, okay, so maybe we should clarify what dad bought and fit body body, bodybuilder body to me is sub six percent. Yeah, a ripped fit body to me is six to nine percent, even 10 could float in the 10, even

Starting point is 00:05:57 maybe borderline 11. A dad bought is 12 to 19 percent. They, they showed in these polls that the dad bod was 16 to 18%. Okay, that was a little higher these days. Yeah, okay. I mean, that's where I said, round there. So I guess the 12, 13 range is not quite there, but I mean, okay, so back to your point though.

Starting point is 00:06:19 Now, what do you, where do you, I think that there's two things here. One is it's misleading because people are going to hear this and be like, oh, chicks are going to be way more attracted to me if I am fat or if I have this quote unquote, dad, bot or whatever. I think the truth is, if all things being equal, the fitter-looking person is going to be more attractive.

Starting point is 00:06:41 And what requires the disciplines and skills and practices that require somebody to be fit. Now, I'm not talking about shredded or obsessed, just fit or good things, not bad things. That's the point that I'm trying to make. Because what they're doing is they're painting fitness. This is part of the game, part of the whole thing that we've been talking about here where they're trying to demonize fitness and they're trying to, so they're trying to make these people look like they're these terrible people. And it's worked because now a woman looks at a guy,

Starting point is 00:07:09 look, you go back in the 1970s and there was a man who looked really fit, when we're like, wow, that looks really good. Now all of a sudden, oh, he's a narcissist or he's got this terrible personality. That's because of the, I don't know, lack of veteran propaganda. Now that how do we paint fit people on TV and in movies, right?

Starting point is 00:07:28 Self-obsessed and absorbed. Well, don't you think that the person who was, say, really fit in the 60s and 70s compared to someone who'd be considered really fit today is a big difference? Somebody who would be considered really fit, when you pull up somebody in the 60s and the 70s, like, I don't know, doesn't look single-digit body fat. Somebody who would be considered really fit when you pull up somebody in the 60s and the 70s like I don't know doesn't look single digit body fat They muscular but not no they don't they look and then somebody like there's a there's a new level of like

Starting point is 00:07:55 Ripped in fitness today then there was just a decade and a half ago Yeah, I wasn't like I would say we'd have to because when they show pictures. They're showing typically Like a 10 to 12 percent body fat. They're not showing like an Instagram shredded, fitness person. It's like a fit woman versus like a social media extreme type woman. Like that, you would also look and be like, oh, that looks like there's something going on there

Starting point is 00:08:22 versus, oh, she looks healthy and fit. Yeah. So that's this kind of conversation that, you know, that's the point I'm trying to make. Well, is this article like resurfacing? Because I know this was, this study was kind of done years ago, right? The dad bod, like survey or whatever,

Starting point is 00:08:38 of what girls preferred. I'm sure, I, like, and that's the thing, like, is that the current status? Like, I don't know that that was like. Here's why it's bullshit, I'll tell you why. When you look at what women would fantasize about, it's typically a successful, older, disciplined, fit man. Because that people are associating fitness with narcissistic self-absorbed,

Starting point is 00:09:08 not going to care about anybody, but themselves, that makes them unattractive. That's my point. My point is, you can't make that assumption when you look at somebody. Now, you can maybe when they look real extreme, but beyond that, I'm on normal fitness. No, the assumption you would make is they lead a relatively healthy lifestyle. It would be a better assumption. This is my point. Well, yeah, I mean, I guess where I was going

Starting point is 00:09:30 was like the last, I don't know, five, four to five years has been not a whole lot of portrayals of masculine manly men in general. And so to stick out, being a muscular physique, having any kind of masculine traits, I feel like, you know, would, if you would do a survey now for women, I think the majority,

Starting point is 00:09:52 well, at least the higher amount of women would be more attracted to the more masculine because of the fact that it's not being as publicly portrayed. Yeah, okay, look, if you're, like, if women had their partner, and you said, would you prefer, if everything were the same, would you prefer them at 11% body fat or 17% body fat? Would you prefer them strong or not strong looking?

Starting point is 00:10:16 They would prefer the strong and fit. It's because of the perceived assumption that comes along with it. In fact, I did a post on it and all these women came on and they said exactly. That's exactly why a lot of these women say they like a dad bought because they think that the fit guy is an asshole. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:34 When the poll says nothing about the personality, they're just assuming because of what we've been told or what is, I guess, put out there. So that's why this is an important conversation because there's a lot of guys out there who are gonna be like, why work out? And look, first off, I don't think it's a good reason to work out.

Starting point is 00:10:52 Dudes work out for other dudes. That's the, you literally a little never, you like. I mean, I don't know. Like, yes, but let me ask you this. I remember the first time when you got a compliment from a girl. Sure, sure. Did that motivate you on what?

Starting point is 00:11:03 I mean, sure, but I mean, it's I mean, to the level that guys work out, like it's for other dudes, whether they subconscious, or whether they realize it or it's subconscious, they get more, I mean, I was just having a conversation this week and running to some old friends, good, really good friend of Katrina and her husband. And he was telling a story about my physique like six years ago. And his wife goes, I'll never forget when he first met you like that's all he

Starting point is 00:11:34 talked about was your shoulders. And I laugh. He actually having this similar conversation about, isn't that funny how, how like no woman has ever said, Oh, you're an out girl. Well, you're an outlier. When you walked in, your shoulders were like dudes recognize that on other dudes more than women pay attention to that level. Women notice we obsess about it in the gym, thinking we're going to attract and get more women

Starting point is 00:11:59 because my shoulders have an extra inch on in diabolism. Well, I guess my point of trying to bring the current culture into the mix is like, I guess my point of trying to bring the current like culture into the mix is like it changes. A lot of the preference kind of changes based on like what we see constantly in culture. And if you're an outlier, you stick out. And so like even back, you know, in the 80s,

Starting point is 00:12:16 you'd have the whole glam thing, right? Where guys would actually put, you know, like eyeliner on, like where the wigs and not like, you know, very, but they were like all about getting chicks Like it wasn't like you know it is today, you know where it's I argue you have the time it is still getting about getting chicks. I would argue that it's still like that They just true, you know, there's an angle there like we call that what's that the cuddle fish? Is that a real thing? No, but I want to make it a thing

Starting point is 00:12:42 Is that a real thing? No, but I want to make it a thing. Okay, I was watching the Discovery Channel and you watching, the cuddle fish has this, so there's a dominant cuddle fish. This is the one that's like the male that gets most of them, right? But then every now and then there's like a weaker, smaller one. And what they actually do is they change their characteristics so they look exactly like a female. And so they get close to it because the male, he kind of hordes these women cuddle fish.

Starting point is 00:13:17 And so for him to get access to it, he pretended to be a female, kind of works his way in. And then as the male goes of goes off to get food or whatever, he's in there banging all the female kettlefish. So, I mean, they might be nature- We see this strategy in real life, right? With men, you see that for sure. Oh, you know, were they white night? The white night.

Starting point is 00:13:40 Yeah, syndrome, all that. Is that a real thing? Is that something? White night. Oh, really? Yeah, it's the doom here to save that a real thing? Is that something? What? Oh, really? Yeah, it's the doom here to save you from all those toxic guys. Yeah, whatever. I'm a feminist too.

Starting point is 00:13:49 And I, you know, and it's like, you listen, like, you're the creep, you're the biggest creep. Like, I actually've talked to my daughter about this. I said, be very careful of a guy that says anything and everything to, you know, be on your side or your team and talk crap about every other guy and how bad men are and how poisons they are. Because he's a coward and a snake. So be very careful. He's a snake. He's a fellow friend of yours. He's a fellow friend of yours. He's a fellow friend of yours.

Starting point is 00:14:11 Let's make it. Anyway, my point with this whole conversation is, well, first off, physical parents doesn't mean as much to women as it does to men. We know this is kind of a fact, but really it's about what it tells the woman. So why would a woman be more attractive to a man who's a little bit stronger, lean, or whatever, he's more protected, probably more alpha, whatever they'd say, but more able to protect her healthy, probably it's a display of better fertility.

Starting point is 00:14:41 So all things being equal, it's not the dad bod. Now can well, a lot of women forgive a dad bod or look past it because a lot of these other great characteristics. Well, yeah, that happens all the time. Yeah. But I think this is, this is like part of this weird movement. It's been happening now for like five years where they're kind of, from all angles, demonizing, like fitness and health and muscularity, calling it toxic, calling it portraying dudes who work out as like douchebags and dickheads and meatheads and just aggressive and jerks and it's like,

Starting point is 00:15:16 yeah, this is a really, really bad mischaracterization. Some of the nicest people you ever meet. Do you think anybody that is actually pursuing fitness or trying to get in shape at all, like buys into that? I think once you pursue it, no, you realize. Yeah, I think you see it for a really good reason. I think that's pretty amazing. For pursuing it though, it might.

Starting point is 00:15:34 Yeah, maybe. That's the thing. Maybe, I don't know. I feel like that's like just the people that weren't going to come to the gym anyways, or didn't care about. Go on to any excuse. Yeah, it's just like, so it's just another, it's just another talking point for them when someone says, like, hey, how come you don't go to the gym anyways, I don't care about. I'm on to any excuse. Yeah, it's just like, it's just another talking point for them when someone says,

Starting point is 00:15:47 like, hey, how come you don't go to the gym? Oh, I was toxic. I don't want to be around those gorillas. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not sure they said it could be the most welcoming place ever. You work going. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you work going.

Starting point is 00:15:56 Well, I think sometimes that's all it takes. Sometimes all it takes is a nudge in one direction or another for someone to try something or not try it. Like if you're, yeah,'re, first off, making the decision to be consistent and working out, that's a hard decision for a lot of people anyway, especially if you're new, takes a lot of work and effort,

Starting point is 00:16:13 it's new, it's scary and intimidating, you've never done it before. But you're thinking about it, and then you keep hearing this stuff about, well, girls don't like it anyway, and it's full of a bunch of judgmental people, and if people know you lift weights, they're gonna think you're an idiot

Starting point is 00:16:27 and meet head and aggressive and you're this toxic person. Like, you know what, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna go anymore. I think, you know, it was hard anyway. That's my whole point is, it's like they're demonizing and creating propaganda in the opposite, which is crazy.

Starting point is 00:16:41 Now I'm not saying we should worship ultra-shredded bodies, that has its own dysfunction, but these poles that come out are super misleading. And for the reasons that I highlighted. Yeah, I don't know. I got a pretty cool study for you, Sal, and you probably know it, but I'm just gonna get it.

Starting point is 00:17:00 I know about Salfish. It's nerdy. I'm like, it's nerdy and here, it's right up your alley, but it's about these two astronauts. And so it was a four year study from NASA and there are twins. So they're DNA and everything is like an identical match. And so they're like, use as an opportunity to conduct this really interesting study where

Starting point is 00:17:23 they basically, one of them went up to the space station and lived there for an entire year And so it was able to then I think I did read about this. Yeah, and so what they found was interesting the other one Do stayed here on earth so these are as a control got it and so as it came back Found all these like interesting So as it came back, found all these interesting things that happened in terms of like telemere growth. So the telemere grew on the chromosomes up while he was like floating around. He aged slower. He aged slower.

Starting point is 00:17:56 Like there was all these like kind of benefits that they got like in terms of like preservation in space against all the stresses. So your body's in this crazy state of gene expression for handling all the different types of stress, radiation, all these things to protect you. Then it comes to earth. And basically everything within four, I'm trying to think it was two years, I think finally everything came back to normal. So meaning that they don't know like how long, you know,

Starting point is 00:18:32 like these effects are going to have like what it's going to have on you going to somewhere like Mars where it takes years to get there and then come back. I don't know if it's like five years, but did the guy age slower or faster on the space station? I think it was slow because there's also time dilation. So what was that movie where you just talked about this recently, even when you guys said like, if you if you went flu so fast in a certain direction, you would actually go, yeah, if you're, if you had a twin that went the speed of light, flew off for 50, you know, for 50 years, you would get 50 years older and they would barely have aged. Yeah, that was always a theory. I don't know if that's...

Starting point is 00:19:07 No, no, no, no, no, this is the, okay, no, it's not just a theory, do you know that the satellites that we use for GPS, they have to account for the time dilation on the satellites. So when it's beaming down to you and giving you information, they have to change the clocks ever so slightly. All right, because they're moving at a certain speed and because there's less gravity, gravity also affects time as well.

Starting point is 00:19:31 So like, when you get to a black hole, it's like time slows down and almost stops. Yeah, I don't know. They didn't really talk about that in terms of like him aging slower, but that, I mean, the telemetry length and everything went right back to normal when he landed on Earth. So they were just speculating that it gave them hope that we're closer to going to Mars and coming back and being healthy as we get back, you know, because there's way more radiation like once you get to the end. Did you find it, Andrew?

Starting point is 00:20:02 Yeah. So I was reading into that as you brought it up and pretty much during the mission The telemiers were lengthened on average for all of them But after the mission they returned back to normal and then six months and even after that That a lot of them were lost or critically shortened. Oh So they got worse. Yeah, so temporarily better then when he got back got worse Yeah, but it's normal. And then it got worse.

Starting point is 00:20:26 But you know, being out in low gravity is like, uh, we can tell that hell out of your body. Yeah, we know that's why that one of the biggest things they've tried to figure out is like being able to train, right? With no, like, that's absolutely went into that a little bit too, because it's kind of like, I mean, it's a very controlled environment for nutrition and for exercise regimen. And so they were like, it's almost like he was a little bit healthier

Starting point is 00:20:46 than even his brother on earth because he was so regimen. Oh. You know, so they kind of had to account for that too. Do you guys remember in school when it was a big deal that you asked for not food? You guys do that when you two? Oh yeah, like the drinks some tang.

Starting point is 00:21:00 Yeah. Yeah. So it's got some crazy stuff. I think that's something that every like, is it like fourth or fifth grade? I think they do that right? I don't know if they say they bring the little silver packets and you got to try the Dude, you know, it's like dog food when when we were kids and of course I thought I would ever be okay actually It was like freeze-dried

Starting point is 00:21:15 It's like a dry or remember free bar. I remember it. Yeah, it's like a chalky Chalky ice cream, but when we were kids and before It was a big deal to wanna be an astronaut. Nobody talks about that anymore, but astronauts are crazy. They're not only some of the most ridiculous in terms of fitness, physical. And physical.

Starting point is 00:21:36 They're also geniuses. And they also have a psychology that is so rare that they can operate under extreme stress and duress. So it's like this, it's like, take the best fighter pilots, which are crazy. Fighter pilots are insane. And then the best of them can become astronauts. That's how it gets. It's pretty wild.

Starting point is 00:21:56 There was a good movie I thought that did a good job of telling that story. I don't remember what it was, but they taught. And that was the first time I'd actually seen the extent of the level of fitness they had to be in, and then also their knowledge too. I mean, there's- Well, the thing in real- There's the physical considerations, but the bigger ones that they're all worried

Starting point is 00:22:15 about are the psychological. Because, you know, it's gonna be like communicating with earth when you're on Mars, you'll send a message, you ain't gonna get, they're not gonna get the message for a while. That's the only way for ever, yeah. And they're not gonna get the message for a while. And you're not gonna get it for a while. There's nobody to make you do anything.

Starting point is 00:22:29 You're on Mars, you're gonna be there for a while, because they're not gonna go there and come back and be, you're gonna stay there for months or years. Yeah, they actually said the first mission, they're gonna try and fly around it and come back. Okay. But yeah, that was like a talk while back about like, these pods and everything that they would have to like live in for a while and just stay there and wait

Starting point is 00:22:49 but Yeah, I Again being cooped up with people too for that amount of time and like the whole social dynamic there Yeah, they're worried about that as well Why would we ever leave a planet that we claim to be so bad already for a planet that's far worse? Because we have because we came from there original Like what's the logic behind that? No

Starting point is 00:23:14 We're humans dude. It's the same thing that drove the you know man to go over that mountain or to cross the ocean You know scary it would have been across the ocean hundreds of years ago thousand years Yeah, you don't know the hell's out there. Yeah, you're like been across the ocean hundreds of years ago, 1000 years ago. Think about that. You don't know the hells out there. You're like, bye. Of course, if you, especially if you thought it fell off, you know, you ever read about Lewis and Clark

Starting point is 00:23:34 in their expeditions through the US. Like they didn't know, they, they had no idea. First time it was on the other side. Really, it's not really bare for the first time. That's like a monster. You never read about that. You imagine seeing that and never knowing that existed.

Starting point is 00:23:46 What the hell is that thing? I think it's that adventure. It's that exploration, I don't know, we're driven by. Because it's like the hardest thing we could do now. Besides going in, I think the ocean is still one of those. We don't spend damn near enough resources and scientific study in the deepest parts of the ocean. So it's like, what are we doing?

Starting point is 00:24:09 Going all the way to Mars. Have we actually made it to the deepest part of the ocean? Have we? Not a hearing. I thought the pressure is too much, right? Not a person, but I think we've said. Sob yeah has gone pretty far down, but I don't think it's went to the bottom

Starting point is 00:24:23 of the Marianist trench. I think it went into another part of it that was really that the deepest Yeah, I believe so the Marianist trench We like I knew a Marianist We know less about the ocean, about the deepest parts of the ocean than we do the surface of the moon. You know that?

Starting point is 00:24:49 We have the map, the moon mapped out way better. I saw that. Was it you who posted the moon thing that we're trying to turn into a satellite? Yeah, I didn't know if that was fake news. And I thought it was funny. Yeah, we're trying to turn the moon into a satellite. Yeah, some be crater, they were thinking of tring

Starting point is 00:25:01 and into a satellite. And then the meme was like, yeah, the meme was like, the Emperor was like, ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg you would have if you built like a launching station on the moon, nobody can follow you. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're like, oh, look the moon, Oscar. You better watch yourself for Will laser you. Well, you know, did you see the news that came out about the supercows? Oh, did you hear about that? Yeah. The supercows over China. It's better than that. Chinese supercows. Yeah. Did you hear about this, just I just briefly, I don't have no details, but yeah. So the average cow, I hope I get this number right,

Starting point is 00:25:48 the average American cow can produce 12,000, I think leaders of milk a year. Well, I know it's like four to six gallons a day. So, that's right, you're the cow, I forgot. So, let's do the master, yeah. But, so what they did is they somehow bred cows. Yeah, okay, so I was right. So, the average American cow can do 12,000 liters of milk per year.

Starting point is 00:26:16 China has to import milk a lot. So, they're trying to figure out how they can produce it themselves. So, they created a cow, this, they bred a cow that could produce 18,000 liters of milk a year. And so they cloned it. So they're cloning a bunch of this cow. So we have a bunch of this cow that can produce all this. Almost double. 18,000 liters of milk. They're real. The clone trigger happy over there these days. Dude, that's weird. Like they're all going to be same cow. Yeah. Because they can make a bunch. So you know, look at all these. Like they're all gonna be same cow. Yeah. Cause they can make a bunch, you know?

Starting point is 00:26:45 So you know, look at all these cow, they're all exactly the same. Didn't they get in trouble for the twins that had as a side effect, were like smarter? Oh yeah. What was that? But they were like addressing some kind of like genetic disease. What?

Starting point is 00:26:59 According to them. Yeah. What happened? They did read about that. There was some experiment they did where they were curing, quote unquote, some genetic disease and the side effect was that they, it's really smart. Yeah, and it's like, oh, really?

Starting point is 00:27:11 First of all, you don't think convenient side of that. Yeah. Just using CRISPR and like, hmm, you don't think governments are doing that, especially in these governments. Of course they are. You know what I mean? We're like gonna make like super, what do you think

Starting point is 00:27:23 is gonna be like the thing that comes out in the next like couple decades that they were testing and doing, and then it's revealed like it, because it's been complete, right? Like the super cows right now, some super geese person. Super cows.

Starting point is 00:27:36 What are you, what are you, what are you, what are you, what are these governments working on? Steaching. What are these governments working on behind closed doors that will be unveiled to us in the next decade or two that we're all going to be like I don't know if you find this going that the Chinese researcher that did the Genetically edited babies the twins he was

Starting point is 00:27:55 Sentenced three years in prison. Oh So they actually slap down on China. Okay. Yeah, you know what? That's propagatable shit They probably are like hey hey, do this. And then slap on the wrist. Yeah, and then to the whole world, we are punishing him. Don't do that. Bad. What do we think would be revealed?

Starting point is 00:28:13 Yeah, what do you think is going to be like military type tech? Do you think it's going to be agriculture type stuff? Yeah, a gravitational tech. What? Say that. Very specific, Justin. Yeah, I know. Let me show you the blue right now. computational tech but very specific like

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Starting point is 00:28:57 It doesn't, so 10 years as you get older, right? Five years, 10 years doesn't seem like that long. Like when you're a kid, like five years from, like, oh my God, it's forever. You know, you hit your 30s and then your 40s. Isn't that wild? Like when you're a kid, like five years from, like, oh my God, it's forever. You know, you hit your 30s and then your 40s, it's not wild. Like when you're a kid, like the school year to get to summer feels like an intern.

Starting point is 00:29:10 Forever, yeah. Feels like forever. But 10 years now seems like it's short, but also it seems like we're gonna be so different in 10 years. Like right now if I say, what do you think's been happening in 10 years? Because of this technology that we're learning about,

Starting point is 00:29:21 doesn't it seem like in 10 years it gonna be weird? Oh yeah. Like a way weird. Very strange, yeah. I've stopped predicting the future. You know, that used to be my favorite pastime. Yeah. Like sci-fi movies, like it creeps out now.

Starting point is 00:29:36 Yeah, it's weird, we're living in it now. It's just like, it's a bit much. Did you guys ever watch, when you guys were kids, it was a great show on television, it was called Beyond 2000, do you guys ever watch that? Oh, I do it was a great show on television. It was called Beyond 2000. Did you guys ever watch that? Oh, I do remember that. Yeah, this is how funny that sounds, by the way,

Starting point is 00:29:49 because when we were kids, 2000 was like, oh my God, that's like the future, yeah. It was like 1985, so it's like five years later. But the show was called Beyond 2000, and it would show like potential technological advances and what's gonna happen, and stuff like that. So it's pretty cool. Popular mechanics, if you go on,

Starting point is 00:30:09 I used to subscribe to them when I was a kid, but if you go online, you can look up popular mechanics predictions from the 60s, 70s, 80s or whatever, and they're really interesting. How accurate. Well, I mean, there was one famous one that was predicted in, I want to say 1900s, like it was like a hundred years ago or more.

Starting point is 00:30:30 And it showed people writing around what looked like segues, right? But there's like a bubble around them and they have antennas because they're like communicating with these like bubble vehicles. I'm like, oh, that's kind of weird. We always got there. Just a couple years ago. Yeah, I see what he does in like scientific American and I was always into like, they started it into like nanotechnology and I'm like, ooh, that would be like, it was always interesting

Starting point is 00:30:54 to me because if you can, you like create machines and things like at that small of a level, like what that would look like and like what kind of like ramifications that would have. Because they kept basically, they were thinking that a lot of the innovation was gonna happen in the medical world with nanotechnology first, but then also a lot of the textures and like different materials,

Starting point is 00:31:24 like that would have new characteristics and properties. Like you could, you could, for instance, like shocks, like a certain material that would also be spiky or like really rigid or make it liquid just by like changing the property of it. And. Yeah, that's weird stuff like that. I was like really into that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:31:42 Have you guys ever seen the blackest color or paint ever? Have you seen this? I've heard about it. The blackest color? Yes. There's a paint that is, and I think you can buy it. I think you can, I'm not sure if you can. I think you can.

Starting point is 00:31:54 It's so black that when you look at it, it looks like there's an absence of, like there's nothing there. Yeah. Like it's so dark, it looks like there's just a hole. It's really strange. You can look it up. You have a pattern on it. Yeah. Like it's so dark, it looks like there's just a hole. It's really strange. You can look it up. You have a pattern on it, yeah,

Starting point is 00:32:08 because there's been other artists that have tried to, yeah, like duplicate. Yeah, you could look it up and see what it looks like, and it does look really strange. Oh, I've never, I've never even heard of that. There's also a room, the quietest room. Oh, I've heard of that. Oh, it's in Minnesota, right?

Starting point is 00:32:21 Is it? Is there a certain time, like you can't last longer than like a certain... I think the record was like a couple minutes. That's it. Because you go in there and it's so quiet, you hear your blood pumping and your... Yeah, some weird, like, it almost makes you like have a panic attack or something.

Starting point is 00:32:38 Because it's just, you're just... To unsettling or something. Dude, speaking of panic attacks and all that stuff, what happened to the Grammys with the with what's his name? Oh, Sam. Yeah, what happened to the devil say? Oh God, that thing again. It's another more of that shit. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:53 So I heard everybody's talking about it, but you know, I we grew up in the 80s and 90s. I feel like that's used like old. Yeah. Like, you're recycling like, like, I feel like that's used like his old. Yeah, like, you're recycling. Like, like, uh, uh, Get Ozzy Osborne was biting heads off bats and throwing devil

Starting point is 00:33:09 for every rock band was like that. Yeah. Now it's like all these pop singers. So everybody's funny. How everybody gets up in arms? That's exactly what they want. They want all what if they did that and everybody. Yeah, that's because they got a tension.

Starting point is 00:33:20 It's actually why it and it was little nos before that, right? Like grinding on, you know, yeah, yeah devil like lap dance or whatever So tell me more okay. I've already seen the you know Conspiracy right pages already like Pfizer sponsored it. There's this underlining thing. We're trying to do it Like so I've already I've already seen like the book. Well that makes sense. Yeah connecting things So you know, I don't know. The fight was for maybe it's like what they've been doing forever. You know, music is doing the most.

Starting point is 00:33:50 I mean, you know what I rewatched. It was such a great movie too, was Elvis, you know. I love that movie. It's, it's, to me, I know. Well, how far have we come? His dancing is considered lued. Yeah. Now little kids do that shit.

Starting point is 00:34:02 Hip-shaking. Yeah. I mean, that's what we're all, we just keep moving the line. That's all, right? I mean, is that really what it is? This is not even a line though. Like, if you're a kid and you're watching this, you're like, oh my God, that was so crazy.

Starting point is 00:34:17 Like, you don't know what you're talking about. Watch videos of rock bands in the 70s. They will make what he did look like children's hour. Yeah. Okay. Like they would come out and like, like blood and they sacrifice an animal or pretend to or sacrifice a woman and like pray and like make all these chants. Like, that was like, shit they did in the 70s, dude.

Starting point is 00:34:37 I think though, was that was like kind of adjacent to like popular media, you know what I mean? Like that was there and it existed. Oh, why do you think that's why? But this is like mainstream and Grammy. Well, to me, it has not a bad point. It has everything to do with social media. Like it wouldn't get that much attention

Starting point is 00:34:56 had it not been on all over platforms and shared all over the place. I mean, remember Manson? What is it? Maybe you could look this up, Andrew, I'm curious. It's like a separate channel. The Grammy is the, is that what you it? Maybe you could look this up Andrew. I'm curious like it's like a Grammys is that what you said this was on? Yeah, so tell me what the viewership on the Grammys today is versus what it was terrible 20 years

Starting point is 00:35:12 I bet it is right terrible like the only reason why this even makes the news because social media They know what they did is the right grabs the right grabs on to it. Yeah, it makes the case I'm talking points right now. Yeah to build this case case. Yeah, and then I would I would have you know, okay Probably a strategy on their part. They probably have a PR team. It says hey listen I'm gonna dress you up in a devil thing. Yep. We're gonna do some crazy shit We're gonna make we're gonna offer Pfizer some good sponsors Good slot rights gonna Fruits are gonna get a gonna talk about this on every conservative channel

Starting point is 00:35:46 out there and survive that. And then our wacky left people, they're gonna fucking push it like crazy. I mean, probably, they're probably in the media. And that probably like, somebody needs a raise, bro, raise the dude up, whoever come up with that crumb.

Starting point is 00:35:57 That's right. Yeah, and they're probably in the meeting. They're like, man, listen, while they're letting people out of Go Untown, they're whatever's happening on the other side of us. You were shit fat tanking, nobody's watching our shows anymore. Like we'll get the book of guaranteed ways

Starting point is 00:36:08 to get more viewership. Oh, page four, satanic stuff. Oh yeah, let's bring that up again. That'll totally work. I found a couple things, it's conversation for the statistics since 2000. Actually, after 2020, the viewership has dropped in half. Wow.

Starting point is 00:36:22 And. Yeah, so they're starving for that. They want to do everything they can to pull all the levers to get attention. I found the performer Kim Petra's her take on it, if you guys want to hear it. Which she said, yeah, she said, I think a lot of people honestly have kind of labeled what I stand for

Starting point is 00:36:35 and what Sam stands for is religiously not cool. And I personally grew up wondering about religion and wanting to be a part of it, but still realizing it didn't want me to be a part of it. So it's to take on not being able to choose religion and not being able to live the way that people might want you to live because as a trans person, I'm already not kind of wanted in religion. So we were doing a take on that.

Starting point is 00:36:53 Oh, God. You're she they're going they're going way deeper than that. Yeah, we are. Like it meant something. Yeah, yeah. It stands for. No, I just want people to look at you. You want attention. like we get.

Starting point is 00:37:06 Yeah, it's media. So it's just another version of clip. I love it when they come out with their deep taste. I know, there's like these real deep taste. I mean, both, too, are guilty of it. The right has this crowd. I mean, I saw it on like conservative time or pop around, it's like, this is what's happening.

Starting point is 00:37:21 They're conditioning us for all these things. Like, now, do you know that there was a strider? I get views, man. You know, there was a straight-up views, man? You know, there was a scare in the 80s for that satanic groups were, I don't know what they called it. There was an actual term for it, but it became like...

Starting point is 00:37:33 Like filter-skilter. No, no, no, no. It was actually the psychological phenomenon where it spread like wildfire. Everybody all of a sudden became afraid. Well, there was that in daycares too. Yes, they had this like, yeah, they had this crazy, crazy mad hysteria. Because it was like one or two daycares

Starting point is 00:37:52 that apparently had a cult practicing... It wasn't true though. Yeah, it wasn't true. And the little kids were saying stuff like, yeah, the teacher, I think, sometime the parents like, what? Yeah, like how did that even start? Some psychological phenomenon. Yeah, well, the teacher, I think, sometime the parents were like, what? Yeah, like how did that even start? Some psychological phenomenon.

Starting point is 00:38:07 Yeah, well, we had, you know, over here, and not far from us, is the, where the teacher was using the night quill on all the kids, remember that? That was the kids? Yeah, that just came out like two years ago. Really? Yeah, in fact, we were, when we moved. They can't have that time.

Starting point is 00:38:20 We had a time, when we, no, I'm serious. Look it up, Andrew, look up, I think Morgan Hill, actually, where I met, because we were looking for schools And then we are talking to my brother-in-law and he's like don't you dare go that's the night cool school. Yes That's that's where the teacher was that was using the night quote all the kids Wow did you pull it did you find it Andrew? I mean I'm finding it all kinds of places As a parent of a toddler I'm gonna say right now, it's wrong, but I understand. But I can't understand a little bit.

Starting point is 00:38:49 It's so bad. This teacher's just like, I had enough. All right, kids, have time for some fruity drink. I need the rest of the day off, dude. My two year old, bro, his toddlers are great. Let me tell you why they're great. They will get pissed off for anything and everything and there's no way to bring, like what's going on?

Starting point is 00:39:10 I'll turn a light on and he'll freak out because he had to turn it on. So I'll turn it off and then he has to go turn it back on. It's like this is all day, all day long. Stuff like this. If I cut his food, he gets pissed off. I have to put the food together so he could cut it Literally, I've done that stuck that together here. You cut it, you know, banana story

Starting point is 00:39:38 Have you given him any of the creatures to have it oh mill yet? Have you tried that with him? He likes it Yeah, max likes it. He does like it. I like it because, you know, it's weird. Oatmeal can sometimes bother my digestion. Really? Sometimes, but that one doesn't. I can do two packets and it won't bother my gut. Yeah, I mean, that has to do with the plant protein, right?

Starting point is 00:39:57 No, I think it's, because regular oatmeal doesn't have any protein. I think it has, Oh, you're just comparing that to regular, not just other. It's got digestive enzymes in it and probiotics. I think that's why. Yeah, because I eat it, no gut problems whatsoever. If I eat regular O'Mill, I could do one packet.

Starting point is 00:40:12 If I do more than one packet, I get bloated and start to feel kind of off or whatever. But not with that one, with that one. I don't want to spill the beans too early, but I know he's got something, I think it, I know this quarter, I thought it was real soon here, a new flavor coming out. So it should be-

Starting point is 00:40:26 Did you have an influence over? I think this is the one, I think he had one before the one that I, that I- Let's imagine, let's just guess. What flavor would it add? I'm gonna add it and it's like some cotton candy. Yes, I do like that bubble gum. Yeah, that's a stripper flavor.

Starting point is 00:40:42 Wow, what? I just feel like, you know, stripper flavor. He's a ridiculous vanilla bubble color. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, that actually is. I know, it's just, bro. You have the palette over here.

Starting point is 00:40:53 Hey, did you see McGregor coming back? He's fighting Gamer? I heard he got, yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's fighting Chandler. What's his name? Michael Chandler. Like maybe Andrew. Is it Michael Chandler? Yeah, his name? Michael Chandler, what's the, like maybe Andrew? He's a Michael Chandler?

Starting point is 00:41:06 Yeah, I forget. How is it? Yeah. He's coming back. Did you also see at the end of the month? He's huge right now. Oh, yeah. He's like been on, I mean, because he broke,

Starting point is 00:41:17 Luley broke his leg. And so it's like, you know, the therapy of that. I think he's been on some, he's very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, you know what's so funny is that, you know, this is this of that, I think he's been on some for a short time. Daryl T. You know what's so funny is that, you know, this is this misconception around, I think, steroids sometimes, especially in the fight game. Like, people just assume that like,

Starting point is 00:41:32 it's this massive advantage and don't get me wrong. There's some advantages to using antibiotics in a lot of ways. But when a guy just puts on 20, 30 pounds and he's been an athlete in a sport forever, like, it doesn't always play out the way you think it's gonna play out. It's also in a different way. Oh yeah, no, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:49 We've seen that. If you're fighting in a bigger body, like fighting is completely different too, like in terms of that, because like, you have to account for all that movement in the speed and the agility and all that gets affected. You take a guy who's naturally 200 pounds and he fights and he trains.

Starting point is 00:42:08 And you have another guy who trains and fights who has to take antibiotics to weigh 200 pounds. The natural guy's got the advantage. Yes, he's been living in that body. That's his body. The other guy's got a forces. Now, size makes a difference when you're fighting guys who are smaller.

Starting point is 00:42:21 So yeah, now he's gonna have advantage over guys with 150 pounds, but UFC's got weight classes. So you see Jake Paul too. His fight. Oh, with, uh, Tony Fury. Is that who? The real, that's a first professional boxer. He's actually like a boxer current right now. Good boxer, professional boxer. Wow. That's his weight class too. So like, he's tired. Or is he still, he's a, boxing. He's a, is He's a current boxer right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not as good as his brother,

Starting point is 00:42:48 but he's still a good boxer. And so this is like the first, like everybody's been, you know, and it may, first of all, I think you had the credit Jake Paul no matter what. I mean, he was a nobody fighter just five years ago and the fact that he's beating anybody.

Starting point is 00:43:02 Like, I don't think I would go beat those MMA guys in boxing just because he's the only genre for sure. Yeah fact that he's beating anybody, like I don't think I would go beat those MMA guys in boxing just because he created only genre for sure. Yeah, so he and so, but this is where everybody is, I think it's gonna be interesting because from what happens from this, win or lose. Like imagine, like, you gotta think that there's a big majority, okay, there's gonna be a split, right,

Starting point is 00:43:24 of people that are really paying attention to Jake Paul. You have the like super fans of him that are like, that love him, then you have probably, I would say half of the people that are just wanting to see him get his ass kicked or see him actually lose. And because he keeps winning, he keeps sucking these people back in. I mean, I'm guilty of this.

Starting point is 00:43:41 I've ordered a couple of fights because I'm just curious to watch. One of these guys is gonna, is gonna whoop his ass. He keeps winning. He's just starting to like him. You're gonna go, yeah. Right, so you, so what happens? What happens?

Starting point is 00:43:51 Okay, how does this play out for this new genre of fighting? Like when these fighters, and they finally pick a fight where they gotta fight somebody who's really good at boxing, what happens when he gets his ass kicked? Is it over? This career completely done? I think he still has another chance if he loses once. Why, who do you, like,

Starting point is 00:44:07 now are you interested? Are you still interested to see him fight anymore? Good, Jake Paul. Yeah, I heard. Yeah, I feel like you're hate following him probably not. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, okay, so I wouldn't classify me as either of those categories, like I'm kind of in the middle. Like I'm not, I'm definitely, I'm,

Starting point is 00:44:21 I'm always curious and interested people that have, that build, you know, large businesses or get large amounts of fame, especially in today's world, so I'm curious about him. I'm interested to see somebody potentially beat him or him fight that, but I'm not like, and I think that I would lose interest after that. If he goes and he fights...

Starting point is 00:44:40 It depends how he loses. If he just looks at some barrisque, then maybe, but if he fights and he loses, because he's already's embarrassed than maybe but if he fights and they lose is Because he's already won a few and if he does this great He's on a backstory. He's he hasn't won a few Against real boxers right so if he's first if it's first fight against a real boxer which by the way Tommy Furry's a good boxer. He's not a great boxer. Yeah, so if he loses to just a good boxer It depends how he loses, I think. Really?

Starting point is 00:45:07 Yeah, like if he loses and looks like I'm embarrassing, like he just gets schooled. But if he does okay, he does pretty good, and then he loses. He might have an opportunity to try and fight other people and come back and maybe get accolades just for trying. You know what I mean? Like if he does okay, it's like the Rocky still. Well, do you go back to Rocky? Do you think after this fight that if he wins and it's in pretty dominant fashion

Starting point is 00:45:29 that he then steps into the actual boxing league? Oh yeah, I mean, if he wins, if he wins, this extends his money making career as a boxer for sure. Like he goes through a title, or at least like work his way in that. I mean, he sets the table for himself for the next three to five fights of making good money because if you go, man, he comes in, his first attempt at a professional fighter

Starting point is 00:45:53 and he wins. I mean, that's definitely setting the table. I mean, the whole reason why they are agreeing to fight him is because he brings money. Yeah, of course. He brings fans and money in the game. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's a lot. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's a lot. Tommy Fury's biggest money, a game. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this will be Tommy Fury's biggest money purse, I think.

Starting point is 00:46:07 I'm sure it will be. What is this, you know, this is like so proves that you can be a great athlete, which is important, but what's more important is how. Oh, market yourself. Yeah. You know, especially for fighting,

Starting point is 00:46:22 but it's for all sports. Like if you're that athlete that, you know, that people want to watch for whatever reason, you're going to get paid more than someone's better than you, you know? Yeah, unless you, you know, you take it to the extreme like a T.O. or something like that where it's like, you're in a team dynamic. I think sports are like, you can take different sports and like team is different. My point is that if you're, it's all about your brand and your personality and you're like really like this person, everybody wants to watch

Starting point is 00:46:53 but you're not a good team player. It doesn't work in like a football setting or like a basketball setting. You can go to your farm. Nobody wants to give you the ball at that point. Yeah, no, you're right. That's a good point. Individual sports, it plays in your favor a lot.

Starting point is 00:47:08 There's a guy in, you know, kudos to Netflix for doing this. They do such a good job of this. I remember when I brought up a couple of years ago, when they did the F1 racing TV series or like that, like also, and I became interested in F1 racing, never cared to watch it before. Yeah, it was a great series You know that they did another one with tennis and Maybe Andrew could look up the name of it, but it's really cool I believe it was the Australia open that they they did like this whole series and the way they did the series is

Starting point is 00:47:37 Each episode kind of kind of like the F1 where they followed like a competitor And so they for a guy like me who doesn't watch any tennis whatsoever, you, they build a little bit of a storyline from each one of these professional athletes that are in the open and you get a glimpse of their character and then you get to watch their match. Now I'll say I'm curious. And now I, like, guaranteed if I'm playing to the channels. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:58 And one of those guys, it's point, I'll want to watch because I've, it's so, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a great break point. Yes, that's it. And there's a guy, I don't know his name, but uh, and I didn't know who he was before, but he's like this, you know, breaking the rackets and talking shit. He's like super animated. Does crazy shots was I didn't even know about this player. You know, you know, who was really who's really good at tennis? You guys know that uh, that we know? Yeah, you guys know friend of ours. Doug. Doug. Is he really?

Starting point is 00:48:23 Yeah. He looks like he might play. Play. Play table tennis. I believe it real tenet. He played it for a while. I'm good at table tennis He was like he likes to he played it for a little while. Did he really? Yeah, I don't know how he competed wherever but never You see a racket around him. Yeah, no, I mean he gets when he comes back. I said less is a kid How did you find that out when we guys talk about tennis? Well, you see that coming up a conversation with you guys We have a different relationship Very different your guys' relationship is very physical, I'm a nice. No. That's ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:48:48 No, really, what did you even bring up tennis with him? Well, I used to train him, so I knew all about his, like his extra, like his past workouts and exercise. So he's the run, he did, he liked to run for a while. He played tennis for a while. That's interesting because he's always said to it, like he always identifies as like similar to you as far as being the non ball sport guy.

Starting point is 00:49:08 So I've never heard him even mention tennis before. I didn't know that. Was he, did he claim to be good? I mean, you know, Doug, he's super, this is cool talking about Douglas Knight here. I know, right? This will be great. Can't wait for him to hear this.

Starting point is 00:49:21 He's, you know, he's humble. He never, you guys know that. Doug's not the type to talk about how good he is at anything until you realize that he's, you know, he's humble. He never, you guys know that. Doug's not the type to like talk about how good he is at anything until you realize that he's pretty damn good. But I would imagine he's pretty good. He's that he's, he's very like conservative of everything. And very humble, like doesn't say it, doesn't say much about him. No, but I know he played for a while

Starting point is 00:49:39 and you know, Doug's a helicopter, which again, he doesn't even say that he is, but he's true to the competitive. Very competitive. So I'm sure he was pretty damn good. But I remember he used to go play, when I used to train competitive, which again, he doesn't even say that he is. He's a really competitive. He's a really competitive. Very competitive. So I'm sure he was pretty damn good. But I remember, he used to go play all the nights of training him. He would, that was part of his workouts. Did it take when you were training him, okay, back in the days,

Starting point is 00:49:53 or do you, can you recall this, like, the time it took? You know how when you meet a client, like some clients, like it takes you a while to really crack them open and like get to know them and like, where you bond. It's like, was he like that? Or it like instant like you guys bonded right away? Do you remember? He read away. Oh, right away.

Starting point is 00:50:10 Yeah. He likes to be sold. So. So he's perfect for me. He's perfect. Well, no, no, like, like, because I was ready to sell him some shit. Well, no, he, well, like Doug, you know, okay, you guys know Doug's not like you guys know what I mean, he likes it when somebody really explains something to him and they're passionate about

Starting point is 00:50:30 it. And then he tries it and it works then he sold. Totally. And he doesn't know. So he was like on board. I mean, isn't that a proven thing about all salespeople? Yeah, isn't it? They do like to be sold.

Starting point is 00:50:41 Yeah, they buy somebody good. If I, in fact, if I want to buy something and I go buy it from a sales person, the sales person, like, isn't like doing a great job, I almost want to be like, you know what, I'm not buying this because you suck. Even though I want to buy it, you don't get this. I'm out of here. Right, I've told people that.

Starting point is 00:50:55 Yeah, I've told people that they didn't do it. If you would have done a good job on me, you would have got me to buy it. I didn't even want that, but I am that person who, I don't know if we were on air when we were talking about the day when the kid came to my door I was so surprised he could door to door sales like that was so wild. Was he good? He was I mean what was more impressive to me than like his presentation was just I

Starting point is 00:51:14 Mean I can't remember the last time I seen anybody. I thought door to door has dead I can't remember the last time someone knocked on my door. How good you have to be to make sales door to door Yeah, you know what I was impressed with. Nobody wants to talk to you. He was a young kid and you could tell. And I had that look on my face too. We're in the middle of dinner. I got quite barely even open the door all the way and I'm looking at him and I'm kind of like head

Starting point is 00:51:32 to the side like what do you want dude? You know what I'm like? So I know I was not giving him like good energy, right? And I didn't say anything. I just let him do his thing and he kind of fumbled his words a little bit. But what I was impressed with in while. And he did it, you're sure. Yeah, he did it. I just let him do his thing and he kind of fumbled his words a little bit, but what I was impressed with in while I did it. Yeah, I just saw it. Yeah, good for you, bro. Like I know this is like I mean, what's the the turn down rate in Dorded Dora's gotta be like nobody answers the door first of all

Starting point is 00:51:56 everybody has ring cameras and shit. Yeah, 90% on right away. Bro, I Wanted a hundred you might get like that. My cousin used to sell Yeah, he in the my cousin used to sell, in the 90s, he used to sell vacuum cleaners, door to door. Like rainbow. No, it was, looks, looks a light, looks, I don't remember the name, but.

Starting point is 00:52:15 You know, that's one of, I have such a vivid memory of a door to door sales guy selling rainbow vacuums to my mom for some reason, because he came in and he dumped a fucking coffee can of like sugar like on the pump. Just as, yeah. Bro, that's exactly what it is. Like because it's like people open the door

Starting point is 00:52:33 and he'll just dump it. Yeah, just throw it on the car. And what, don't worry about it. You know, or let me see your vacuum, they'll clean it. But like now look at all the stuff it missed and then he cleans it with theirs. Like, wow. That was like a thousand dollar vacuum.

Starting point is 00:52:44 Well somebody backed in. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude, if somebody if I open the door and someone just do dirt just on my floor right away Like you're gonna clean it Company still look up rainbow vacuums and tell me if it's still a big brand that was a that was a big door to door sales brand Back in the and it had rainbow doesn't mean the same thing anymore these days It was a vacuum you had a water you had like the water filter system where it like created a world winner what about that and cleaned it up. You guys get close. Oh yeah. No, we're the paper plan.

Starting point is 00:53:17 To listen. Okay, we had a horse and we had a rainbow vacuum. No business. No business. No business. I was like 20% of, or 30% of my parents income. Is that it? Yeah. Wow. That's a new one. Hey, hey, we could go on there, put your last name still nobody on the vacuum.

Starting point is 00:53:35 How long have they been in company, in business, in company, in business? There was Kirby, Luxelite, I think he's the other one. Rainbows have been on there. I heard of it, dude. You've never heard Rainbow Vacuum? No, no. Nothing like this. Harers was brown and it did have that water at the bottom, I think he's the other one. Rainbows have been on there. I heard of it, dude. You've never heard rainbow vacuums? No. You look nothing like this.

Starting point is 00:53:47 Harz was brown and it did have that water at the bottom like that, that's fun. Since 1936. Then, 1936. We had some crappy one in a dust buster. I've never just dust busting everything. One of those things right, go for price wise. They're expensive, dude.

Starting point is 00:54:01 Why, they were expensive back in the 80s. $1,000 for a vacuum in the 80s thousand dollars for a vacuum in 80s Think about that with that would that would be today. It's like with inflation and that's gonna be like $10,000 No, I mean I was like a 10,000 dollar vacuum 1980s a thousand dollars would not be close to what 10,000 dollars is today would not be close to what $10,000 is today. With inflation. How much?

Starting point is 00:54:25 Sure would be. $10,000? $8,980. Go 1980 to 2023. Do the standard two to four percent of inflation and go, yes. How much is a thousand dollars? How much is a thousand dollars in 1980 worth today?

Starting point is 00:54:39 I think that's what you were saying. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. What you got? I mean, the site is sending me to distributor, but when I'm looking in the range is $800,000 to $3,000. Oh yeah, but give me what Sal just said. Say how much was $1,000 in 1980?

Starting point is 00:54:53 How much does that work today? I'm gonna be close. I mean, we 10 grand. Yeah, so people were spending $10,000 on that. My family was. Oh my God, dude. My family was there. We were probably making payments for like nine years

Starting point is 00:55:06 on the back, he was in broken for like five years. I mean, was it at least legit? Like, did it, did it? Oh, it was the Yonana back then. Yeah, no, the Dyson kind of came in. And I was like, this is like the most over-engineered the vacuum of the market. What's it say?

Starting point is 00:55:22 So $1,980 is equivalent in purchasing power to $3,600. Okay. $10,000. See, I said $2,000. I was way off. I was way off. Because I can't imagine what it was. It was believable though. I mean, bro, I'm still like, it's my parents being $3,000. A $10,000 vacuum would have to literally suck spirits out of the sky. Like, that's, you know what I mean? It would have to be like, well I think the selling point was like, it was like a commercial, you know, what are they called? Like a dry cleaning type of deal.

Starting point is 00:55:51 Cause it had the water and everything. Yeah. I mean, it sucked up the coffee grains and the sugar. I think it even spilled like cool later something on there too. It was so good. Got my fail. And your helmet as a kid, give me that cool air, what the hell? Yeah, it's great. Mind you, I there too. It's something like that. Got my fan. And your helmet as a kid. Give me that cool air, what the hell?

Starting point is 00:56:06 Yeah, it's crazy. Mind you, I didn't get any Christmas presents that year. Yeah, the fuck, we got a kid, we got a $1,000 vacuum though. We got a new chore. Yeah, he's made some bullshit. Hey kids, look who we, we all decided to get you all one gift together.

Starting point is 00:56:20 Oh, you cleaner. Now you guys can clean the house. Speaking of cool air and stuff that makes you a fat, did you guys know that sleeping in cool temperatures may actually help accelerate fat loss? I actually found some studies that when people sleep in a cool room, it sets the stage for better fat loss. Now is that because you get better sleep, therefore your metabolism. Fat or sleep.

Starting point is 00:56:47 Hormone profile. Yes, I eat all that. Better sleep, melatonin production, better serotonin production, less cravings. So they find in some of these studies that when people cool down their room or they're bad, that they start to lose weight, burn body fat. So I know you're bringing that up

Starting point is 00:57:03 because we have a sleep me commercial today, but I hate stuff like that. Because it's like leap to leap to leap to prove a point, right? Well, we at least know this. This is, you'll get better. Science is guilty of this though, like crazy. It's like you can, because you can connect it. I know sleep me is like, wait, nice fucking commercial

Starting point is 00:57:22 for me guy, we're on a roll. I've already said the shit's bomb, right? The thing is is like it's one of my favorite things that we have invested in and I think Not a single night goes by that I don't use our like logic threads I would use to sell my wife on keep it super freezing and in you know the room. Yeah, yeah Yeah, like babe is fat like babe you are you interested in having a good marriage for the rest of our lives? That's right. Yeah. Well, don't are you interested in having a good marriage for the rest of our lives? That's right. Well, don't you think good sleep will contribute to that? Well, did you know the study show boom?

Starting point is 00:57:48 Well, where it's been able to save me is that it allows her to keep the room warmer than I like because I can keep my sheets like ice cold. Yeah. Which that has been life saving because that's, we are completely opposite when it comes that. She would be totally okay with keeping our house between 75 and eight degrees Wow that and then having sheets on us on to like a comforter 75 to 80. Yeah, she would be totally comfortable with that when it's like she was complaining last night

Starting point is 00:58:14 She's like jungle. She's like it's I cracked the window right before we were getting going to bed And she's like did you just open the window? I'm like yeah, it's hot. She's like it's cold in here I walk out of thermostat. It's 71 in the house. I mean, it's 71. How is that? I was so bad. I keep it like 60. Like the kids have like, I got they were jackets. Yeah, like a jacket. He had five blankets on top of them. I'm like, oh, man, like I thought a little guilty. You know, that was my favorite put. Justin is under. Yeah, it's like, you know, I'm like totally like. That was my favorite thing about owning a town home

Starting point is 00:58:48 when I was in a town home. That was the small square footage. Man, those things. Oh, yeah, and your box thing because you have people on the side, so the installation's good. Like, man, that place could be super hot. I could freeze it out within like minutes.

Starting point is 00:59:00 Oh, it reminds me. I had a funny conversation with Ethan last night because he was going to bed. I was saying, good night and all this and he asked me something. I forget what he asked me. It was like one of those things where I just immediately kind of went into dad mode of having to be like, okay, this is a lesson. I have to teach him a lesson and all this. Instead of him, it was about a joke and like seeing an inappropriate joke. I'm like, hope you don't say this around,

Starting point is 00:59:28 you know, your teachers and like your other friends and just be careful, and then I just stop. I'm like, dude, I'm so lame. Like I can't be like your friend and be like, oh it's hilarious, joke, high five. You know, like, I'm like, I literally, as a dad turned into like a Saturday morning cartoon with a PSA at the end. Always. Every time. Every time.

Starting point is 00:59:48 I know. Like, you know, like, help leave this old lady across the street. You know, so just realize that. I'm like, dude. So corny. Oh, you have a girlfriend? That's great. You guys like kids. Also. Here, let me send you some textures yourself of an STD. Yeah. Exactly. Look at all the words. Yeah. But also here let me send you some texture yourself of an STD's The words Anyway, oh, so we got a shout out. That's right. We got to give out a shout out on Twitter Kevin and bass he's a

Starting point is 01:00:17 researcher Medical student researcher. He just wrote an article for Newsweek and It is going viral and I appreciate it because he's objective. And I'm going to read to you the title of this article. We don't have to get into it because it'll be another hour here, but I'm going to tell you the title of the article. The title of this article in Newsweek is, it's time for the scientific community to admit we were wrong about COVID. And he goes down the whole list of all the stuff that they did and the damage that it caused, the unintended consequences and how they made people feel who questioned

Starting point is 01:00:52 or thought, maybe I don't want to go with that policy or whatever. And he said in this article and in some interviews that the medical community's reputation has been damaged severely because of how things were handled and he says in order to move forward, we need to admit that we were wrong about a lot of things. So anyway, really good, very objective guy. Great follow. What's his name again? Kevin Bass.

Starting point is 01:01:16 Kevin Bass, all one word. Yeah, well, the handle is Kevin and then another N, so Kevin and Bass. Oh, okay. Hey, what's up everybody? Look, multivitamins can help fill in nutrient gaps. Here's the problem. Multivitamins for kids, it's basically candy.

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Starting point is 01:01:57 highahhealth.com that's h-i-y-a-health.com forward slash mind pump and get 50% off your first order. All right, here comes the comments, the questions and how you answered them. So thank you for all the due to your questions. I'm going to do that. So I'm going to do that. So I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that.

Starting point is 01:02:12 I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that.

Starting point is 01:02:20 I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that question. I'm going to do that. So it's really a lot when I hear the comments, the questions and how you answered them. So thank you for all the G2. Oh, sorry. So the question, I sent one question on the email to you guys and then very recently I had a follow up question, but I started my original question. So I'm 13 years old, I am 225 pounds and I have a very high

Starting point is 01:02:46 body fat of 30% and I never did wage in my life or trend training until 8 months back. Actually, one year back I was 240 pounds and I did three months of cardio, got to 225 and somewhere I don't know if I stumbled upon to you guys, who said that focus on strength training. So I went into strength training. So what happened is that in the last eight months, I haven't lost single pound of weight, I've actually had 225.

Starting point is 01:03:20 Having said that, I have lost around three inches around the waist, so I feel really good about that. And eight months is a long time, not to see any movement on the scale, but at the same time since I'm seeing movement around the waist and my body fat is coming down. I feel pretty good about it, but my concern is that I will end up being a 225 pound strong person. If I continue on this path, instead of being an 180 pound or 185 pound strong person with 15% body fat.

Starting point is 01:03:55 So that's my goal, that's what I want to achieve in all the course of next 18 months. So I'll be turning 14 like 18 months. So I want to give the best person of myself to myself at 40. So I wanted to be at 185.15 person body fat if that's possible in 18 months time frame from where I'm right now. So the question I want to ask you is like, should I been doing cardio and just focused on strength training. So I wanted to know if I'm confused about this whole cardio thing, is it should someone like an obese guy like me should focus on cardio and not just training. So if you guys can do some class day around that, that would be helpful.

Starting point is 01:04:42 Not yet. Not yet. Pradeep, you're actually a couple of things. One, you're actually doing pretty damn good. Okay. So I want to start by saying that the fact that you're dropping inches on your waist and three inches on your waist is significant. So you're actually doing really good. What I what I am reading that you didn't say yet is your maintenance calories around 2000 calories. So. So if we were to continue down the path of just restricting calories

Starting point is 01:05:13 and or potentially adding cardio, eventually you're going to get to a place where you're eating pretty low calorie in order for you to get to that 185 range that you want to. And it's probably not sustainable. So where I would take you right now is actually into a mini bulk where we're trying to increase your calories. Because part of why you feel like you're stalled out a little bit is for your size, 2000 calories is pretty low. Like I'd like to see you get up to a place where we're north of 3000 calories

Starting point is 01:05:43 for the amount of size that you have on you. And that would make the cut a lot easier, even though that's going to delay the weight loss momentarily in the long run, it's going to speed up your results. And then also when you get to your 185 range, it'll be more maintainable than if we just continue down the path of cutting. Yeah. Pradeep, before I answer the question about cardio and all that, and what Adam said is, obviously on point, but I think it's important to understand what's happening with your body. So, I'm going to use an analogy that might help you understand, right?

Starting point is 01:06:20 So, let's say you're at a job and you make, let's say you make $50 an hour and you need to make more money. So you decide I'm going to just work more hours or you could take some money aside and invest it in accounts that give you a return of let's say 10% you know year over year. Working more hours will get you more money right now faster. But the investment will get you more money right now, faster. But the investment will get you more money easier in the long run. So what you're doing right now is you're setting yourself up for better, more sustainable results in the long run. So will you lose weight on the scale faster if you just did a bunch of cardio right now?

Starting point is 01:07:00 You would, but would you be setting yourself up for a potential failure, definitely? So there's nothing wrong with doing cardio. In fact, what I would recommend you do right now is just try to walk a few times a day, probably after breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Just do that for now, stay on track, and what you're doing right now is you're building muscle

Starting point is 01:07:19 because obviously, if you lose three inches, that's a lot. Okay, three inches around the waist is a lot. If you lost three inches around your waist and your weight stayed the same, you lost a substantial amount of body fat and gained a substantial amount of muscle. And that muscle is very active. It's gonna burn more calories for you.

Starting point is 01:07:33 It's gonna give you a faster metabolism. And if you do this, if you continue on the right path, eventually you're gonna end up in a position where it's much more maintainable, it's much more sustainable than what you might have done before. So you got to really look at this and say, okay, I'm in this for the long run. I want to do this in a way to where I don't find myself bouncing back and forth like everybody does.

Starting point is 01:07:56 Like if you look at the statistics on weight loss, it's like 90% fail rate, right? We don't want to do the 90% fail rate. Like it's great if you lose 30 pounds now, but who cares? If you gain it back and then some later on, right? So we want to do this the right way. So wherein I lost weight before and again, it all back. That's why I'm really happy I got indistentraining. Yeah. So so you're doing you're doing the right you're you're going the right direction right now. It's just you got to stay the course and allow the metabolism to build, allow the muscle to build.

Starting point is 01:08:25 But the fact that you lost inches and your weight stay the same is actually really good news to me. As far as your trainer, I'd be very ecstatic about that. There's another part to this. I'm looking at your question. You didn't say this yet, but you said your calories around 2300. Your protein is about 120 grams. I would say, even if you kept your calories the same,

Starting point is 01:08:45 but just increase your protein and maybe drop your carbs a little bit, I bet you'll see even better results. I'd like to see you aim for 180 grams of protein a day. Well, in a perfect world, this is actually, okay, a perfect world right now is you take the advice on walking, say a total of a half hour to 45 minutes a day, like post workout, like

Starting point is 01:09:05 South saying, breaking it up in 10 minute, 20 minute walks or whatever, or in one shot doesn't matter. Add that, increase your protein. I actually wouldn't reduce carbs. I'd actually use that as his bump if calves. Because then it would only be another 56 gram. Yeah, you're not talking about. So literally just bump the protein up, The additional movement from the walking is going to negate any fat gain, I think, from

Starting point is 01:09:29 the additional calories. And those additional grams of protein will support the weight training you're doing and hopefully speed your metabolism up. But you said 18 months, right? That's the kind of the goal. I think that's, by the way, that's, and I'm going to say some hypothetical numbers that are, but to give you an idea of like how good you are right now, you could focus on reverse dieting, meaning increasing calories,

Starting point is 01:09:50 building strength, not really losing weight on the scale, for let's say the next three months, and you're going to put yourself in a really good place calorie maintenance wise, and then start cutting from there, and you'll, you'll hit your goal before the 15 months is up after that. So you're in a good place right now, but the focus should be on building muscle and getting your calorie intake up without adding a bunch of weight on the scale. Like that would be, if you and I at the end of 30 days

Starting point is 01:10:18 looked at each other and you're like, Adam, my waist hasn't changed, the scale hasn't changed, but I am eating 2300 calories every single day. I would tell you, that's a huge win. And if we can do that next month and do another 300 calories, and then another month and do another 300, now we're up to 2,900 calories a day

Starting point is 01:10:36 and you're not moving on the scale, then I could go, all right, bro, let's drop you down to 2,300 and watch the weight just come off. So that's kind of what it would look like. Is that makes sense to you? Yeah, it makes complete sense to me. Actually, I'm glad I called because I was actually in my mind taking off going for a cut, but that was you guys telling me is to go for a mini bulk. Yes. Yes. I like that way. Are you following any of our programs right now? Not yet. I'm actually following this five by five routine

Starting point is 01:11:08 from one app called Stronglips, which I'm using. But I haven't still platoed yet. So I was thinking of changing programs. Once I hit my, once my progressive overload, it's a plato. Right now I started with an empty bar, eight months back. And then right now I met a 200 pounds of spada squat and I'm pretty sure I'm going to max out soon so at that time I want to move to something but during this process one question I have for you guys when

Starting point is 01:11:33 I just the follow up question is that as I increase my weights I am noticing that my right is working more I'm a right hand at guys so my right is working more than my left so I'm trying to take some time and not increasing the loads and get more, I don't know the right words, the stability balance. Balance, yeah, balance on both sides. So that's something I am.

Starting point is 01:11:55 Yeah, let us give you a program because we have a perfect program for what you're experiencing right now. So let us give you a program, I would love to see you do some map symmetry right now because it's specifically designed to balance out the left and right. And if you already are noticing that, you notice it well enough. That would serve you more to get into that right now as soon as you can. And it would be good because we're going to go on a little bit of a bulk so it'll be a new routine.

Starting point is 01:12:20 So sending a new signal to the body, a different training method with the calorie increase would only benefit you. So, let us send that over to you. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. You got it. Thanks for calling in. Thank you. Again, low on lead you do and more power to you guys. No problem, man. Thank you. All right.

Starting point is 01:12:40 Yeah, that, you know, I like using that analogy because I think that's the main reason why people fail is they go for the quick result. And yeah, the scale will move fast if you just stop eating and do a lot of movement. But it's, you're not gonna, it's looked at, again, the data's clear. It's a 90% fail rate with that approach.

Starting point is 01:13:04 I would say close to 100% if you stretch it out long enough. So it's like, do you want to do this in a way to where you can keep it? Or do you want to play this game where you go up and down your whole life? That's why it's always been hard to talk somebody out of that. Because it does produce a more rapid result, but it's not a sustainable approach. And to think of it more of an investment and really diligently drawing that out is something that is a hard thing to sell to a coach, but it's the right thing.

Starting point is 01:13:33 It's a growing analogy, too, because you do see those results in the short term, but how many people could really, just like working the extra, let's say, four or five hours a day. You're already working in eight to ten hour a day, but you now know, oh, if I work four or five more hours, I, you will get more money. But ask yourself, how long would you continually work 12 to 14 hour days every single day?

Starting point is 01:13:56 And even if you could see yourself doing that how miserable are you gonna feel? Yeah, like, for how, I can't even, where do you go from there? Exactly. And you're not gonna work now 20 hour days. You're going to inevitably, you're going to go back the other direction and then the crash.

Starting point is 01:14:09 That's exactly what happens with people with this is that they're in a place right now. And this is a great question because this is a very common place, right? Take out his height, his weight, and all that stuff does is irrelevant. But somebody who is trying to cut, get stuck, hits this plateau, seeing strength gains,

Starting point is 01:14:28 but not seeing it and they're already kind of low calorie. And the thought is, oh, ad, you know, cardio, reduce calories. And yeah, you'll see this initial drop, but then you have to ask yourself, ask yourself, oh, now I'm eating 1500 calories. I'm a 200 pound man, 1500 calories. And I'm doing cardio three, four times a week. Like, is that something I'm gonna do for the rest of my life?

Starting point is 01:14:48 No, realistically. No, think long term and make it work forever. That's the that's the bottom line. Next caller is Ryan from Nebraska. What's up Ryan? How can we help you? Hey, how you guys doing today? Good good. All right, man. I like to start with the obligatory thanks for all the great content you guys doing today? Good, good. All right, man. Good. I'd like to start with the obligatory. Thanks for all the great content you guys put out. I just discovered you guys in December. Yet I've listened to probably hundreds of your episodes and you're now the only podcast I listen to.

Starting point is 01:15:17 Wow. All right. So thanks for that, and keep up the great work. Huge compliment. Thank you. So a little background on me, I'm 40 years old. I started my journey back in October of 2022. I weighed in at 305 pounds.

Starting point is 01:15:33 I was obviously not happy about that. Although I've been overweight my whole life, I've never broken that 300 pound mark. So I knew something had to change. I started cutting out all the processed foods and fast foods, started concentrating on a high protein, whole foods diet, but I was kind of stuck in that beginner, you know, lots of cardio, not a lot of strength training phase for a while there until I discovered mind pump. And now I do strength training, do more compound movements,

Starting point is 01:16:06 the big five basically eliminated cardio, cardio started tracking my calories and fast forward to today, down to 260 pounds. I just finished every phase of Naps in a Bolog. I actually start phase one today. So that leads me to my question here. I'm trying to really dial in on my macros, but I'm kind of confused on what my fat intake should be

Starting point is 01:16:32 and how my fat intake will affect my fat loss for somebody who's trying to lose a significant amount of fat like I am. That's a good question. So you're hitting your protein, which is important. A certain amount of fat is I am. That's a good question. You're hitting your protein, which is important. A certain amount of fat is essential in your diet. Meaning you have to eat a certain amount of fat because your body can't produce essential fatty acids.

Starting point is 01:16:54 Carbohydrates are not essential. Meaning you can never eat a single carb again and you'll be totally fine. That doesn't mean it's optimal. Most people do best with some carbohydrates on their diet as well. So basically what I'm trying to say is there's a lot of flexibility here with your carbs and fats. So if you look at your total calories, it says up here, I'm reading your question, that you're aiming for about 2,500 calories a day, about 220 grams of protein, that means the rest of the calories now can get partition to fat and carbs. What I would do is I would, as long as you hit your essential fat, which probably for

Starting point is 01:17:28 someone your size, you're looking at about 70 grams, the rest can be carbs, or you can have no carbs and the recipe fat, or I mean, really, it's real flexible and you got to kind of feel it out and see what works best for you. Some people do really well with more carbohydrates, other people do really well with lower carbohydrates. But what's going to make you gain or lose body fat or the calories. So aside from the essential amount of fat that you need, essential proteins that you need, the rest of it's pretty flexible. So if I had two different clients, both eating 2,500 calories, I could have one that eats more carbs and one that eats more fats and it's all based off of field. That's how I would determine whether or not they eat more fat or more carbs

Starting point is 01:18:09 I see okay, so it would be safe to you know, maybe have a little higher fat days on my low carb days Yeah, yep and by person yeah, as long as your calories are the same It really doesn't matter to be honest with you and now that you're tracking Ryan You could start playing with different ways and how you intake your carbohydrate, right? So try one day having most of your carbs earlier in the day, like before your workout and see how your workout feels. And then maybe on another day, go really low carbohydrate in the morning and then load your carbs after a workout and see how you feel.

Starting point is 01:18:39 And then do another time where you split them in between and you really start to hone in on how your body likes carbon as far as the amount of carbohydrates and when and you'll notice a difference in your workout. And some people, it's a major difference. Some people can tell a little bit, like I know that I have, there's a certain amount of grams of carbs I have to have before workout or I just have a really weak gas workout. And that affects your results, right?

Starting point is 01:19:03 If you go into workouts and you're having phenomenal workouts every time because you're well fed, it's gonna promote more muscle growth. You're gonna have better results. If you're kind of dragging ass all the time because you don't have enough carbs and you don't feel fueled for it, your workouts are gonna be half-assed.

Starting point is 01:19:18 And so play with that and see how you feel. Sal, on the other hand, is somebody who does much better on like a higher fat lower carbohydrate. So I think this is a good time that you're tracking to kind of play with that. And I think you're in a pretty good place too, calorie wise, I think that if 2500 is a cut for you and you're actually leaning out that place

Starting point is 01:19:36 and you're hitting your protein intake, which is most important. And as long as you don't go under that, say 75 to 90 grams of fat every day, you're in a good place. Yeah, here's a good starting point, Ryan. Why don't you to 90 grams of fat every day, you're in a good place. Yeah, here's a good starting point, Ryan. Why don't you do 200 grams of carbs and about 90 grams of fat?

Starting point is 01:19:51 Start with your 220 grams of protein. That'll put you at about 25-hundred calories. Start there, see how you feel. And if you want to lower fat, raise carbs or vice versa, go ahead and play with that. And just see how you feel. Energy-wise, sleep-wise. You know, for me, if I eat too many carbs,

Starting point is 01:20:07 I'll feel the thargic. But if I eat too low of carbs, then my workouts tend to suck. So, you know, so, so there's gonna, you're gonna find that what works for you. But the numbers I gave you is kind of a decent starting point. It's almost the one-to-one carb to protein.

Starting point is 01:20:20 So 220 grams of protein, 200 grams of carbs, about 90 grams of fat. That'll keep you at about 2500 calories. You could start there. Another thing I want to add that you start to pick up on another that you're tracking and you're doing this is that's really cool. Not only is playing with carbohydrates to see how your workouts feel, I think a good strategy. Also paying attention to the way you eat on days when you don't work out and how it's

Starting point is 01:20:44 satiety. So, for example, I was telling you how I like high carbohydrates around my workouts on workout days. On an off day, I like the reverse because if I go high fat low carbohydrate, it doesn't stimulate my appetite as much. So it's easier for me to stay disciplined and not over-consume where if I eat a lot of carbohydrates and I don't go expended the gym,

Starting point is 01:21:04 I tend to want to eat more and overeat so also pay attention to that as you manipulate your fats and carbs pay attention to how it stimulates your appetite and what you might find is on workout days you eat a certain way on non workout days you eat another way and so that that's it allows a lot of flexibility. Yeah that's that's kind of what I do now, typically on my foundational days, I'll eat more carbs typically before and after the workout than I do on the non-foundational days. I try to stick to a fairly low carb diet just as a, I guess, how they sit with me to an extent, but some carbs feel a lot heavier than others, you know.

Starting point is 01:21:42 Yeah. Yeah, and the fat doesn't make you gain fat. Carbs don't make you gain fat, neither do proteins. It's the excess calories that'll make you gain body fat. So think of it that way, right? So sometimes people, you know, they think, oh, if I eat more fat in less carbs, because it's fat, it's gonna get turned into fat easier

Starting point is 01:22:02 or something like that. That's not how it works. Now, what you might wanna pay attention to or what kinds of fats you get because of your blood lipid levels and how you feel. Some people do better with less saturated fats and other people do.

Starting point is 01:22:16 Other people are totally fine with that. I eat a ton of saturated fats and my lipids always look good. So, those are other things to consider, but if you're in a cut, you'll get away with a lot. So I wouldn't worry too much about that if it's whole foods. I would say just focus on kind of those macro targets

Starting point is 01:22:31 I gave you, do that for a little while and then kind of play with it and see. Have you had blood work done at all any time recent? I did last year for a little bit. I went to a testosterone clinic. Okay. And I was getting some testosterone, but my kind of an excuse, I guess, but my schedule was pretty hectic, so I wasn't really getting in workouts like I was hoping to.

Starting point is 01:22:56 So I eventually I stopped doing the testosterone because I wasn't really seeing any results, but that's mostly because I wasn't changing my lifestyle to to complement the increase in testosterone. So I would like to start going back to that soon now that I have, you know, got these habits down and, you know, I work out regularly and all that stuff. So yeah, get into our free forum, MP hormones, get in there and, I mean, it's totally free for you to access on Facebook. And yeah, we've got the team on there that will be answering questions.

Starting point is 01:23:30 And so when the time comes, you're ready to do that. You can go through them and get their blood work. I definitely, at your age, where you're at right now, we're playing manipulating calories and be interesting just to see your hormone profiles, where you're at right now, just as a good benchmark in a place that we can check up on every, I don't know, say six months to a year to see, see all your blood markers.

Starting point is 01:23:50 Gotcha. Yeah, we'll do. All right, man. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, thank you. You got it. Yeah, the carbs and fats are pretty funny, right? It's like, it's, it's, it could be so individual. Again, as long as you hit your essential fats, then base it off of how you feel. And it's so weird. I've known people. I've had clients where low fat, high carb just makes them feel good. And then I've had clients where it's exact opposite. So that's where there's a lot of flexibility.

Starting point is 01:24:17 The protein tends to be consistent. That tends to be consistent. Yeah. The only thing I do see sometimes is like an, say, you're eating a lot of nuts or something that has a bit of a higher calorie amount due to the fat content that is unaccounted for, which then creeps in in the overall calorie amount, but other than that, it has that effect where it satiates. It's higher calorie, but also too, it'll satiate you more, which then, you know,

Starting point is 01:24:47 promotes you to not have it's like raging of an appetite. Eating, so I highly recommend people don't eat nuts without measuring. It's one of the, it's probably, it's a sneaky one. It's hell of a sneak. It's one of those ones that you can grab a handful, go, oh, that's probably,

Starting point is 01:25:04 three of calories. Yeah, and it's way more than you normally think. And even though like nuts can be a great source of fat, you don't need much to hit what you need from it, and you easily can overeat it. And so- You know, it's a hack for that is I would, when my clients, because they're like, oh, I love them. I used to tell them to buy them where they have to take the shell off. Because it would slow down the process.

Starting point is 01:25:27 Because you get them D shell. Oh, yeah, you're just, you know, smashing them. But if you have to like break the shell, it slows it down. You tend to eat less. So I would make them do it. So like when they get like, it doesn't matter what nuts, cashews, peanuts, whatever, right? Almonds, whatever, you know, 20 ounce, 30 ounce bag or whatever. And then break it, get those little mini.

Starting point is 01:25:44 Oh, yeah. Like, portion them out. Yeah, and portion out or whatever, and then break, get those little mini, like portion amount. Yeah, and portion out one ounces. So just as soon as you buy it, go home. The nuts is not that much. It's not. You're when the T's go home and weigh it out,

Starting point is 01:25:55 and obviously depending on the size of the person, one ounce to three ounces worth of stuff, and then you just, and you pack it out that way, when you go to grab it, you know, you know, it take you just a little bit of time, you get home from the grocery store and take you another, you know, five, 10 minutes to do that.

Starting point is 01:26:08 But then at least now you know what you're getting ahold of every time you grab that. Next caller is Brad Fisher from Ohio. Brad, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, thank you for taking my question, love the show. So my question is around programming. You guys really open my eyes to the importance

Starting point is 01:26:28 of goal setting and building programs, good programming accordingly. Clearly, you've done that with the maps programs. So I'm 58 years old, been listening for 25 years. And my idea of programming was go to the gym, list heavy things for an hour and come home, you know, based on equipment availability was sort of how I would do things. So pathetic. So thank you for what you've taught me in the short period of time I've become aware of you.

Starting point is 01:26:57 So last year listening to Jill Rogan, he had a Dr. Peter Atia on his show. And Dr. Attia, you know, what he does is he focuses on applying science to longevity. So, you know, what are the things from fitness, nutrition, stress-related things I should be thinking today to live a long and healthy life down the road. So during that call, he mentioned something about this notion of a centenary in Olympus. So for maybe the listeners who aren't familiar or haven't heard of this, it's, you set goals as if you're going to live to be a hundred years old. So at age 100, these are the things I want to be able to do. So it could be something as simple as I want to get out of a chair unassisted to going upstairs without a railing.

Starting point is 01:27:45 It could be, I want to be able to play golf or walk. So what I've done is I've come up with my own goals. I've got 14 of them and I'm sure I'm going to add to these. But my question for you guys, you know, based on these 14 goals, knowing that I'm getting close to 60 years old, and I'm going to continue to add to them. What is the programming I should be thinking about today look like? What are the things I should be building around these goals that I'll be in 40 years from now doing? And how does that look going forward?

Starting point is 01:28:16 So doing things today, five years, 10 years, and is there any maps, program, adaptations out there that could accomplish or help me accomplish these goals? Yeah, I love this question. Let's hear the 14 goals. Yep. You're having a fire. All right.

Starting point is 01:28:33 So let's see. I want to be able to get up off the floor under my own power. Okay. I don't want to be able to walk up and down the stairs with a 10 pound of bag of grocery any chance. Be able to lift a 30 pound suitcase and put it in an overhead bin. I continue I expect to be traveling at 100. Get out of a pool without a ladder and get into the pool without a ladder. I'm assuming this will be a great grandchild, but

Starting point is 01:29:00 listing a 30 pound child off the ground. Be able to stand up off the ground without using my hands. I want to be able to ride my motorcycle. Let's see. I want to be able to play golf. How about just tying my shoes? I want to be able to bend over at the way standing up and tie my shoes. I want to be able to paddle board. I love to paddle board. I love to mountain bike. This one, I think you guys are like,

Starting point is 01:29:26 I want to be able to carry my beach chair in a cooler of beer in the can and be able to walk to the beach and be able to get in and out of the chair without any assistance. Yeah, very specific. We're going to play. I like this.

Starting point is 01:29:41 Okay, so I love this. So there's two things based on those goals, two things that are going to help you. Number one is to build and maintain strength. Yeah, almost every single thing you said, what would prevent you from doing every single one of those is a loss of strength. Okay, so strength training is going to be the foundation. The second thing, there are some skills in there that you list it, like paddle boarding, for example.

Starting point is 01:30:06 The best thing you can do to keep those skills is to practice those skills on a regular basis. So it's actually quite simple. Now where does the complexity come in? Well the complexity comes in because from now to 100, you know, that's over 40 years, you know, things happen in life, you know, sometimes you get sick, sometimes it's more stress, less stress, you work out more or less.

Starting point is 01:30:27 The idea is to be able to modify your training in the moment to improve the quality of your life in the context of the current moment. Okay, so that means sometimes you're gonna need more mobility work, other times you're gonna need less mobility work, sometimes you're gonna train heavier, sometimes you're gonna train lighter. I would say form and technique should always be the focus,

Starting point is 01:30:48 but that's true no matter what. Form and technique are always gonna be number one for anybody regardless of their goals, because that's where you maximize results, minimize things like risk of injury. And that's pretty much it. So as you get closer to that age, you probably can have to modify things here and there and place more focus on some stuff like like, oh my

Starting point is 01:31:09 God, I noticed that, you know, I'm strong, but I'm getting tighter. It's harder for me to bend over in time. I should as well. Now we're going to incorporate more flexibility and mobility training, you know, or I have the strength to walk to the beach holding my beach chair and beer. But I start to get out of breath. I'm gonna incorporate a little bit more stamina training so I can maintain my cardiovascular fitness. But ultimately, all the things you listed were strength and skill.

Starting point is 01:31:35 That's it. I think to like based off of like just focusing on strength, people could get into a point where they just think about, you know, your regular kind of compound lifts or just basically lifting inside, you know, the constraints of a gym in terms of like the machines, but really you have to think and expand upon that strength in terms of like in different directions. And so, to maintain, I guess, I hate to use the word

Starting point is 01:32:05 functional strength, but really it's about functional strength. It's about expressing, you know, all the capabilities your joints have, but doing it in a way where you maintain that kind of stability and control. And if you can focus on just moving in different directions, rotating, and expressing that movement with strength, it's going to carry through basically any pursuit. So, strengths at the root of it all. And so, we talk about mobility, and we talk about, you know, having restrictions. Most of that restriction is just because of repetitive stress and like doing the same

Starting point is 01:32:41 thing all the time. So, to be able to kind of weave in from doing this by-loaded heavy strength training focus, like those foundational type of workouts, but then also complimenting that with rotational movements and things that you can express in different directions, I think is paramount. I can be a little more specific, I think.

Starting point is 01:33:04 Things I heard in there was, I need the ability to be able to step up and stabilize. I need to be able to get up off the ground, like a Turkish get up. I need to be able to lift a child up over my head potentially, so like a overhead press or a circus press. These are all movements that would be, and then there's, you need rotational strength for paddle boarding and something else you said that triggered rotational for me.

Starting point is 01:33:29 Maths performance is like, literally has every aspect of that in it. So if I were to build a routine, the strength training routine that was going to, you know, benefit or carry over into all these pursuits. It would look much like that. Now, to Sal's point, it would be modified through my life. In the perfect world, it looks just like maps performance.

Starting point is 01:33:55 In the state of high stress, other shit going on, maybe potential injury happened 20 years later. Of course, I'm going to modify and change some of those things, but the elements in that program, like there's an endurance aspect to that for stamina building in there. There's a rotational component in there. I believe we have Turkish get ups in that program. And there's even an explosive component, which is something to even talk with somebody

Starting point is 01:34:18 like a Joe DeFranco is something I didn't really consider for, you know, as you're aging, but to be able to maintain the ability to move quickly will prevent a lot of potential injury down the road as well. Yeah, I don't know if you've heard me say this before on the podcast, but that I believe that to be the single program of all the programs that I would be okay with one of my clients doing forever. And just because we did such a good job of balancing mobility, rotational, unilateral. I mean, it really covers, and it's phased out in four phases instead of three. And you get even some stamina building in there for cardiovascular health.

Starting point is 01:34:58 It really encompasses, in my opinion, overall health and longevity better than any program we've ever written. And so I would literally live in that. And that doesn't mean you can't take exercises here and there and exchange them with something else you like doing or you have more specific to a sport or something you're doing. But really like the nuts and bolts of that program, it really addresses all the things that you said really well, I think. Do you have that program? I don't have an antibiotic and I've got prime pro. We'll send it to you.

Starting point is 01:35:30 We'll send that one over to you for sure. So let me ask you something though with the explosive, you know, getting close to 60. How do you incorporate that without injuring yourself when you're having really done a lot of that for years and years and years because I've tried certain things and invariably it seems like I create more problems than benefits. You're just doing the wrong stuff and you're probably going too far. So like an explosive movement could literally be you just jump in place. Don't even land, you just jump up, you know, like that's one. Or it could be moving something a little faster. Yeah, so you have to scale it to something that's appropriate. So you might be looking at like athletes training

Starting point is 01:36:10 and be like, okay, I'm gonna jump up on a big box and jump down. That's gonna, that might be too much right now. So it's gotta be, it's gotta be appropriate and it could start real low. But the point that just I made with that is whatever skill you stop practicing, you end up losing. So if you stop practicing anything that involves any kind of explosiveness to it, then you'll

Starting point is 01:36:30 lose it completely. Well, and to think about anytime you're in a predicament where you drop something or you have to move quickly out of the road or whatever it is you slip on something to be able to collect yourself rather quickly and be able to have that kind of control and strength to do that. That's what I'm kind of talking about with being able to move quickly out of situations and recognize that have your body kind of respond appropriately. Yeah, think of it this way, Brad. When you do explosive training, don't think that you're working out when you're doing

Starting point is 01:37:04 it. Think you're practicing a movement. So it should you're working out when you're doing it. Think you're practicing a movement. So it should feel like, oh, I can do this. It should not feel like, oh, my God, I can barely do this. Because then you're asking for trouble. Well, a lot of people, we assume like, I mean, because a lot of plyometrics have a lot of jumping up and down left to right. Tent of swings are great.

Starting point is 01:37:21 But there's other forms of explosive training that don't require up and down jumping or left or right jumping. That's probably the most risky or dangerous for the average, especially in advanced age, blowing a knee out, a hip going, something like that because they do too much too fast. But you can do, in fact, one of the exercises in math performance is a reverse lunge to an overhead press. Like, you're never leaving the ground in that movement, but you can resist the way down slowly

Starting point is 01:37:49 and then explode the way up. And that's, you're now getting the benefits of explosive training without jumping in the air and landing. Train within your capabilities. This is true for any form of exercise. Okay. And then once those capabilities expand,

Starting point is 01:38:05 then you train within those new capabilities. So. Well, and I like to comment, I like to comment too, that I think you made Adam. It's, you know, if there's certain exercises that I like incorporate those. So for instance, for my, my cooler of beer, I've been doing, you know, the suitcase carry, right?

Starting point is 01:38:20 I love that. Perfect. Right. I can carry 45 pound plate. I can carry probably at least two cases of beer. And for paddle boarding, I do like single like Romanian deadless. I mean, talk about balance and love that. Yeah, love that.

Starting point is 01:38:33 Yeah, okay. One of the best ways to work on capabilities like that is to do sports and activities. I mean, you keep paddle boarding. I mean, you're going to maintain the ability to paddle board. Yeah. Yeah. All right awesome. All right, Brad. We'll send over mass performance. So you'll have it You guys are the best. Thanks so much. All right, good one Yeah, aside from the common like heart disease cancer, right if you aside from those things If you look at people as they age

Starting point is 01:39:01 They're the challenges that they That they come upon the things that tend to kill them are all strength related, weakness. So you look at balance falling down, like that's all strength, you just don't have strength. And if you've worked with a lot of people in this age group, and you can see it once they start to trip and they try to catch themselves, they don't have the strength to support themselves. It's like a slow motion fall. And they fall down and then the bones aren't strong, the joints aren't strong, they don't have the strength to support themselves, it's like a slow motion fall. Boom, and they fall down, and then the bones aren't strong, the joints aren't strong, they break something,

Starting point is 01:39:28 and then it's real bad. Well, it's like maintain strength. This is the reason why the squat has been touted as the King of all exercise, it for so long, because if you can maintain a good, deep full range of motion squat for your whole life, like you're gonna be able to do a lot. You're firing on all cylinders.

Starting point is 01:39:46 Yes, it requires so much coordination from top to bottom and strength and mobility to do that. If you incorporate that and you stay strong in that till your late years, you're gonna be pretty capable. That doesn't mean you're gonna be great with rotational strength and there's obviously aspects that you can put. That's a goddamn good foundation right there is to be able to squat deep all the way into your 80s and 90s. Yeah. And to kind of add on to like the moving fast part of it, there's ways to do that

Starting point is 01:40:17 with less impact. And I think that's, you know, that's a concern, especially like as you go further and you haven't and you haven't been incorporating that enough and it's something that your body's gonna have to relearn. There's ways to progress that and using bands is a way to do that, safe and effectively, there's machines. There's even, so this is where I would actually probably take a client like that and we'll do

Starting point is 01:40:44 a salt bike or something, we'll just slowly kind of ramp our speed up with that, like a row machine. Exactly, look, you're not gonna go from squatting zero pounds to 300 pounds, just like you wouldn't go from doing no explosive movements to doing, to moving as fast as you can. Yeah, so I just wanna put that out there. It's literally like this, it's literally like this.

Starting point is 01:41:00 If this is new to you, just move a little faster, a little bit, and get good at that. I just move a little faster. A little bit. And get good at that. I just see a person thinking, you know, three foot. Yeah, exactly. Jump boxes. And it's like an ice skaters. Those two movements, I'm not even wasting my time. They're like looking at a champion powerlifting, like, oh, that's how you do now.

Starting point is 01:41:17 Yeah, there's no reason to even do that at all. You can make a single step up, an incredible explosive movement, you know. You can do a standing squat, just do a little faster. Yeah. That's it. It's just speed. You just move a little bit faster. Yeah. Last question is Ryan from Wisconsin.

Starting point is 01:41:33 What's up, Ryan? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going, guys? Yeah. Good. So, some of a question is, what do you do when the numbers are not making sense? is what do you do when the numbers are not making sense? And what I mean by that is my journey, I've been an athlete my entire life,

Starting point is 01:41:52 about eight years ago I lost, I went from three hundred and forty pounds down to about two hundred and fifty five pounds. And then about a year after that, we had our third child put on about 35 more pounds of that. And then that's just a little back story two years ago. Started working out with a trainer again. I work out with a trainer three times a week.

Starting point is 01:42:12 I do cardio usually 30 to 45 minutes before my weight training session with my trainer. And then I try to do another 30 to 45 minutes and additional two times a week. I also work with a nutritionist. We've even interjected a chef who's preparing all of our lunches, all of our dinners. And my calorie intake right now was right around 1900 to 2100 calories a day. Just recently, within the last week and after,

Starting point is 01:42:43 I was listening a lot more of you guys, bumping up, more adding another weight training session, adding another 50 grams of proteins, so trying to get around the 200 to 220. But I've only lost 15 pounds in the last year, and only 25 pounds in the last two years in total. So I feel like the results are not quite matched and the effort put in.

Starting point is 01:43:08 Well, Ryan, the numbers do make sense, bro. That's way too low calories, man. How much is your body weight? Especially about the activity that you got going on too. What do you weigh right now? 268. Yeah, that's like a beckoning competitor, bro. You're a big ass dude.

Starting point is 01:43:25 That's like, I wouldn't want you at, I don't know if I'd ever want you to cut down to even 2000 calories. The goal would be, and you're training, as much as you're training, plus doing the cardio you're doing, the reason why it's what's happening to you, you're just stalling out.

Starting point is 01:43:39 Your body needs to be fed more, once more calories, for all the work you're doing. I definitely would put you on a reverse diet right now and increase core content for a while and kind of go on a bulk and get to a place where we're eating more like 2800 or 3000 plus calories before I reverse you or before I cut you back down the other direction. Yeah, and in the process, you're focusing on building strength. And so what this should look like, Ryan, is over the process, is that the scale shouldn't move much. So you're slowly increasing calories. The scale is going to

Starting point is 01:44:11 stay relatively stable. You're a lot stronger in the gym. So the weight training, you're really seeing results with the weight training. And then when you get the calories up to where Adam said, then you can come from there and then you just start to see your body respond. Because right now, you're stuck at this point where you're going to work out more and cut your calories even more. I mean, is that the direction you want to go? We get you down to 15 air calories and then get you down to 1200 calories. Obviously, that's going to be impossible to maintain.

Starting point is 01:44:36 So we got to reverse and focus on building muscle and speeding up your metabolism a bit before we cut again. Yeah, for sure. It's not sustainable to cutting further and that's the kind of, I'm comfortable at least I have been with the calories I'm eating. I'm not comfortable with the progress that I've been not seeing. I have converted, you know, I was over 40% body fat when I started this measured last week, I'm at 27.

Starting point is 01:45:00 So I've converted a lot to muscle, but still just obviously retaining and all in the torso area and that's where I Like most other people would like to lose it. Yeah, how how tall are you? Six two. All right. What what sport did you play? football yeah, so You know is it actually it can be challenging because they tend to try to outwork everything. So it's... You hammer your way through it. Yeah, so it's not working.

Starting point is 01:45:30 Throw more. It's not working. Throw more. You got a lot of muscle in your body. Holy cow, you've got some good muscle, but your body's learning to become very efficient. With the type of training and the type of calories you're consuming. If your body is really doing a good job at becoming efficient, which is, there's nothing wrong with that,

Starting point is 01:45:46 it's supposed to do that, but you can't keep going in this direction because, I mean, you can see, right? Okay, you're gonna cut 500 more calories. That might result in another, you know, five to 10 pounds of weight loss, you'll plateau again, and then what do you do? Go down to the 500, now you're down to 1000 calories.

Starting point is 01:46:02 What's your trainer saying to you right now? Go down to the 500, now you're down to 1000 calories. What's your trainer saying to you right now? Give you. Yeah, so he's on board with adding more strength in back and off on the cardio. He and I have had that conversation a lot about strength versus cardio and he says, Ryan, neither one of them is bad.

Starting point is 01:46:19 Usually when people say only do strength training, it's because they don't have the time to do both. He's like, if you can incorporate both, that's at least what he recommends. That's a little bit of the frustrating pieces. We have the trainer, the nutritionist, the chef, and all these people involved. Doctors even have gone to Mayo Clinic and had physicals done. This is the issue. The math doesn't make sense.

Starting point is 01:46:42 I'm putting it in all this effort. I understand where you're coming from as a former athlete. It's like train harder, go harder. It's eventually got to work and it's just not working. I would do this. I would put on a map set of balls three times a week. I would make you strong. If you were my client, let's see how strong we can get you

Starting point is 01:46:59 without the scale moving too much. Let's reverse die at you. Let's get you off the or reduce that type of cardio that you're doing, and instead incorporate more walking. Because cardio, there's nothing wrong with cardio. It's healthy for you. But right now, because we're trying to speed up your metabolism, it is sending a bit of a conflicting signal.

Starting point is 01:47:18 That's the only thing. Especially that low calorie cell. So you got to understand this too. If you are doing cardio while you are fed, that's one thing, but doing cardio and only eating 1900 calories for the amount of muscle you have on your body, your body is telling you exactly what it should tell you, which is fuck you.

Starting point is 01:47:37 You know, feed me, bro. Feed me, you're pushing me, and you're only feeding me this much. Like, I'm going to adapt and get used to it because this is not what I want. And so it's revolting against you right now. So I would completely cut out the cardio before the lifting for sure,

Starting point is 01:47:54 because the goal is to build strength and that would cut into that. I don't wanna do that at all. And then the other places that you were doing traditional cardio, I would still walk, I would still move, power walking is okay, but not intense hard cardio. And then I would still walk, I would still move, power walking is okay, but not intense hard cardio, and then I would reduce the probably amount of days a week you're lifting down to like a three-day week full body like MAP Santa Bob. Well, here's where you kind of also have to reprogram your

Starting point is 01:48:15 brain, like you're doing a great job getting in shape, but this is a body compositional goal you have. This is a different pursuit that you're looking at right now. So such a good point. You know, you have to look at it completely differently and be open to a completely different formula. I don't think this is the path, right? This is the one that you used to do all the time. I completely relate.

Starting point is 01:48:39 So, you know, I could just grind my way. I could go to the gym, I could bust, you know, I could burn calories like, you calories like the best of them. But in terms of like getting my body to form and shape the way I wanted, that's not the formula for this. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, let's try and reverse you up to 3000 at least, calories and then cut from there.

Starting point is 01:49:00 I think, and really see how much strength we can build. Where would you recommend, how would you recommend adding those all in protein or kind of a mixture between just? Definitely protein because you definitely more protein because you're you're on the lower end of protein anyway So I would I would push Mostly protein and then I would then I would split the difference on fats and carbs and see what you would you like better on there I mean really your two sixty five you said your body weight. Yeah. How many grams of protein are you eating a day again? Up until last week, probably are on 150 this past 10 days. Yeah. Around 200. Yeah. 200 is good. I would go up to 230, 220, 230. And then you could, and that'll be the first reverse diet portion.

Starting point is 01:49:43 And then from there, you could add more fats and carbs if you don't want to add more protein. Yeah, honestly, that's a good start right to like right now. And then and why and you won't see a big, you definitely, you won't see a fat loss game by doing this. So since we're telling you to switch over to like a maps and a ball like that means we're cutting back on your, your calorie burn on with lifting weights. we're cutting back on your calorie burn in the cardio, by you increasing just protein, that might be enough to already start to send you in the reverse direction and building some muscle

Starting point is 01:50:13 and then we could add more calories after that. What do you think? Yeah, I like that. Yeah, look, look at it this way, okay? You're in a position where you're like, okay, this doesn't make any sense. My body's not budging. In order for me to get my body to budge,

Starting point is 01:50:27 based off of what I've been doing, that would mean I'd have to cut my calories more or work out even more. And we know what that ends, okay? We know what the end of that looks like. And it doesn't seem sustainable. So the goal is, let's get your metabolism to do more work for you.

Starting point is 01:50:43 Not you, like not you do more work, but your metabolism do more work for you. Not you, like not you do more work, but your metabolism do more work for you. So this is gonna take a little bit of time and investment in getting the metabolism to respond in the direction that we want. That means you have to feed it more, focus on building more muscle. That's the most effective way to do that.

Starting point is 01:50:58 I wanna send maps and a ball to you and I also wanna give you access to our private forum so we can check in with you. So, yeah, I would love to hear you go through this process. And I would say the first month, the goal is to bump the protein, reduce all the cardio activity, drop in and run maps and a ballock, which is a three time a week full body routine and then trigger sessions on the off days,

Starting point is 01:51:23 follow the trigger sessions like they're designed, and stay in touch with us. We're in that forum, let us know how you're feeling. There's gonna come a moment, by the way, this happens, my athletes always, okay, is you're gonna feel like you're not doing enough. You're gonna be like, I'm not doing enough, and then the next battle you're gonna have

Starting point is 01:51:41 is gonna be the psychological warfare. The old school mentality that you could throw the shoulder pads on, go fucking hammer it out and work your way through this goal. That's like Justin said, body composition is different than becoming a badass on the field or becoming a badass athlete. It's a total different game. And so you're gonna be challenged with that. And so we're gonna be there to hopefully support you.

Starting point is 01:52:04 So make sure you're talking to us in that form as so we're gonna be there to hopefully support you. So make sure you're talking to us in that form as you go through because that's your next challenge. So, and you were doing like five days a week of cardio, about 35 to 40 minutes. You know, if you got rid of that, if you got rid of that and just did maybe 12 or 13 minute walks after breakfast lunch and dinner,

Starting point is 01:52:19 that's it. So after breakfast lunch and you're go to do 10 to 15 minute walk. So that's like 30 to 45 minutes a day of walking. That's a wonderful trade. And I think the walking is gonna serve you better for this particular goal right now, which is to speed up your metabolism.

Starting point is 01:52:31 Which by the way, doesn't mean we won't reintroduce cardio down the road. But right now when we're trying to rebuild the metabolism, because here's an area where like a trainer, like I can tell this trainer's gonna be this way because he's already told you that. The only reason why someone wouldn't do cardio is because they don't have the time.

Starting point is 01:52:45 That's not true. If I'm trying to build a metabolism up right now, and my client was eating as low calories as you are, also adding cardio to that is not benefiting their metabolism. It's just not. That's not advantageous to speeding your metabolism up. It's the complete opposite signal that we're sending. Low calorie, lots of activity,

Starting point is 01:53:03 does not make my metabolism faster. What we'll make them a towel is faster is sending a signal to the body to build more muscle and feeding it the calories it needs to actually do that and build muscle. That's what we want to focus on now. When we get you to a place where you feel really good, you're eating lots of calories, then we go, okay, now let's start to reintroduce this. Yeah, and in the walking three times a day, you know, 15 minutes, 10 to 15 minutes, which you know, equates to, you know, between 30 to 45 minutes a day of walking because it's broken up, because it's post-prandial, right? Post-meal, you're going to get hormonal benefits.

Starting point is 01:53:39 So it's going to, it's going to manage your insulin levels, your blood sugar levels better. Active recovery. It's active recovery, because it's broken up, it's not sending as loud insulin levels, your blood sugar levels better. It's active recovery. It's active recovery because it's broken up. It's not sending us out of a, you know, build endurance become more efficient signal. So if you tell your trainer that, I'm sure they won't even argue. Just say, hey, look,

Starting point is 01:53:53 instead of doing this structured cardio, I'm going to walk three times a day, you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So it'll be the same amount of time. Maybe, maybe, because he's having him do cardio before he waits for his trains. Yeah, I'm going to say that's kind of an old school mentality of, you know, get him into the fat burning zone before he lifts weight so that he's burning

Starting point is 01:54:10 fat the entire workout. And so if he kind of was at the point, he's not telling me to do. I, you know, more of like that's what I've always done. Okay, right. Go run. And you guys tell me to cut out cardio. I don't have any problem with that. I fucking hate cardio You know, so when I do cardio, I mean, I'm 265 pounds So that's a ton of pounding on the joints So I like to hill hill walks and bike and you know all sorts of stuff besides running Yeah, three walks a day after breakfast lensioner. I swear you're gonna love that

Starting point is 01:54:42 Yeah, that you'll love and lift, it'll be more enjoyable and it'll benefit your body. Yeah, and go lift and get strong. We'll send you maps in a ball, you're gonna be in the private forum. And let's reverse diet, let's keep in contact. I wanna see how this works out. By the way, all of us have worked with clients

Starting point is 01:54:57 in much, much more challenging positions in the similar context. Yeah. And have seen tremendous, I had a female client who was doing seven days a week of cardio twice a day lifting, which was going crazy. Her calories are 1200. I got her to lifting three days a week, two days a week of cardio, and I got a calories from 1200 to 2200 calories. This was over the course of I think eight months, and she got leaner. So that's just one example. So you're gonna do totally fine. You just have to approach it the right way.

Starting point is 01:55:24 Now I appreciate it guys, and you mentioned a hormonal bit. I mean, I've already gone down that road too. So I've tried to lift up everything under the car. I put the C was going on and you know, I appreciate it. It sounds like at least it's not gonna hurt anything. Might as well try it. That's it. What kind of results do we got? Yeah, stay in touch with this ride. Trust process. Got it. Thank you. Thanks brothers. Appreciate it. No problem. That's a frustrating position to be in. Yeah. Yeah. Trust process, I got it. Thank you. Thanks brother, I appreciate it. I'll go home. That's a frustrating position to be in.

Starting point is 01:55:47 Yeah, yeah. I mean how many times have you had somebody doing everything? Yeah. You know, and it's like, look, if you don't know what's going on, if you don't understand the process, that is so frustrating because it's not like, look, you could be not getting results, not losing weight and be like, yeah, my diet's crap,

Starting point is 01:56:02 yeah, I'm not working out. Okay, this makes sense. But if you're working out, you're tracking, you're training, you're like, you're looking at your food intake, you're looking at your workouts, this guy's hiring a trainer, he's got someone making his meals for him. You're looking at, you're like, what is going on?

Starting point is 01:56:16 This doesn't make it so so frustrating. But it's literally, his body is doing what it's being asked. So it's not like it's got a broken body, it's doing exactly what he's asking it to, which is to become efficient. How many more people do you think that we have to help like this to get the fucking message across the people of why we talk about Cardio,

Starting point is 01:56:33 the way we talk about cardio? It's like I'm so over this debate and argument with people, it's like, this is actually very common. It happened, and now, in athletes too, especially because athletes want to work, like Justin's point, want to work everything off and burn the calories like crazy. But this would happen to most of my clients because we are taught. If you want to lose fat, go

Starting point is 01:56:55 run, burn calories, burn calories, eat less, eat less, eat better. And so you go from one side of not doing any of that shit and eating like trash to eating really good, which means lower calories than what you were before, and increasing all this cardio. And then you eventually get to a place. By the way, it works initially. You see the results, obviously making a change seems like as easy as a math problem. Right. Until the math problem doesn't work.

Starting point is 01:57:24 That's right. Just like when he's Right, until the math problem doesn't work. That's right. Until you hit, just like what he's saying, like, the math isn't adding up. Well, actually the math is adding up. It's doing exactly what you're telling your body, but that's the problem is that everybody gets caught up in this like, oh, just run more or eat less. It's like, well, eventually you run out of runway.

Starting point is 01:57:39 And then what the fuck do you do? It's because people do not consider the body adapt. The body's ability to adapt and change. And your metabolism is not stationary. It's because people do not consider the body adapts, the body's ability to adapt and change. And your metabolism is not stationary. It changes all the time. And if you tell your body to be more efficient, it'll become more efficient. And it's really good at being efficient. It is much more challenging to make your body less efficient with calories or to burn more calories. So if you tell it to burn less calories, it will. And it'll do it effectively. And then you'll get stuck in this position where you're eating nothing and working out like crazy,

Starting point is 01:58:07 and then eventually you give up. And that's when they hire us and we got to reduce, switch everything out. So, look, if you like this show, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram, at MindPump. Justin, Adam is on Instagram, at MindPump.com Adam and you can find me on Twitter at my pump cell. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy

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