Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2013: The Truth About Zero Calorie Foods, How to Build Impressive Abs, the Downside of Using Knee Sleeves to Squat & More

Episode Date: February 17, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Are you experiencing cravings? Unexplained fat gain? Anxiety? Depression? It might be due to poor gut health. (2:02) In-law wars. (9:27) At what point does your kid have too many toys? (18:32) The latest Andrews’ entrepreneurial business. (25:57) Kids say the darndest things. (28:07) Traits your kids have that you wish they did not. (31:19) Get your Birthday Cake from Magic Spoon today! (33:54) This is how ridiculous TV is now. (36:21) Why do they fund studies like this?! (40:01) Fun Facts with Justin: The Montauk Project. (45:01) Shout out to Dr. Becky Campbell. (52:24) #Quah question #1 - You’ve been talking a lot about zero calorie foods and how this is not accurate. Does this mean sweeteners & diet beverages have calories? If they don’t have calories, what other foods and drinks are actually zero calories? (53:21) #Quah question #2 - If abs are made in the kitchen, how can you build thicker abs? Can you train them more frequently than other body parts? (1:00:04) #Quah question #3 - Is there anything I can do to begin to address imbalances that I am noticing in my upper body while in the middle of running a program? (1:03:01) #Quah question #4 - Can using knee sleeves to squat actually make you lose muscle over time? (1:09:20) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01™ Daily Synbiotic** Visit Magic Spoon for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! February Promotion: MAPS Performance, MAPS Aesthetic, and MAPS HIIT are all 50% off! **Code FEB50 at checkout** The Effects of Probiotics on Symptoms of Depression: Protocol for a Double-Blind Randomized Placebo-Controlled Trial Probiotic Effects against Virus Infections: New Weapons for an Old War MILF Manor SMEARING TESTOSTERONE ON MEN MAKES THEM INTO HORNY BEASTS, SCIENTISTS FIND Mind Pump # 1610: Testosterone… The Hormone That Divides Men & Women With Carole Hooven MP Hormones Inside The Montauk Project, The US Military’s Alleged Mind Control Program The Men Who Stare at Goats (2009) - IMDb Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout** 12 ‘Zero Calorie’ Foods That Totally Have Calories Calorie labels are often wildly inaccurate. Here's how to prevent extra calories from derailing your diet. The Best Way to Develop Your Abs-Mind Pump Blog MAPS Symmetry MAPS Prime Webinar MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Mind Pump Free Resources    Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube People Mentioned Dr. Becky Campbell (@drbeckycampbell) Instagram Layne Norton, Ph.D. (@biolayne) Instagram

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Are you experiencing cravings, unexplained fat gain, anxiety, maybe a little bit of depression, it might be due to poor gut health. Believe it or not, poor gut health has been connected to all of those things. You know, I just read a study on gut health, and well, actually probiotic use and depression anxiety. And they found that people who supplemented with probiotics, there was a 64% reduction in those symptoms. How wild is that?

Just from taking a probiotic. Just, just, what's your opinion on, obviously you said that statement, there's probably a large portion of people that are like, yeah, yeah, that's me. How do you go about figuring that out? Would you go to an elimination diet first to add and then slowly add foods in, but would

you recommend somebody who's listening? Here's you say that and is curious to figure out if there's somebody who's suffering from that. Well, I would, I mean, if you really want to figure it out, functional medicine practitioner will be your best bet, right? Because they'll do tests. Yeah, they'll do lots of tests to kind of see if you have like, you know, dysbiosis, right? Because they'll do tests. Yeah, they'll do lots of tests. Yeah, they'll do lots of tests to kind of see if you have like dysbiosis, right?

Your gut microbiome is off. If there's any parasites or anything like that. Obviously, if you have other gut symptoms, constipation, diarrhea, skin issues, then you could probably bet that there might be something wrong with your gut. But I mean, your microbiome, I mean, they produce a good chunk of neurotransmitters,

like serotonin. They affect catacolomy production, so these are like chemicals that give you energy, make your field particular way, and then cravings. People are like, what about cravings? How's that work? Well, I mean, you're more bacteria cells than you are human cells, it makes sense that the bacteria in your gut will influence the foods or the types of foods that you crave to feed

themselves. So, and they've done studies, although change the microbiome of an animal or even humans, they've done these even with humans, and it changes the types of foods that they actually crave, which is kind of wild. So, like, based off of like the majority of bacteria that you have that can influence you because of the types of foods you've been eating so it's just kind of like feeds itself and then craves more of the same. Yeah, so there's this like theory on that right where there's like certain bacteria that feed off of let's say sugar or

certain types of fiber or fat and if you have a lot of those then you're gonna crave more of those feet those foods because the bacteria is essentially, I mean, here's a theory. The theory is that the bacteria evolved to influence your behaviors to feed themselves. So it's kind of like your zombie. Yes. Kind of like you're just being controlled by bacteria. You guys don't really are you both watching that show right now? Which one the last of us? Yeah. Yeah. It's so good. Are you watching this though? Are you on it too? Yeah. What about you Douglas? No. okay? Yes, I won't commit until he's watching the mushrooms on me. Yeah Until Doug. Well, by the way, welcome back dog. Yeah. Thank you. It was out sick for a little while How do you feel? He's alive? How do you feel? How was it? This is round two? Yeah, yeah round two. Yeah

This was worse than the first one. No, identical. Really? Absolutely identical, except for maybe one thing it was different. So the symptoms I had was basically being really tired and a little bit light-headed and a headache. That's about it. The last time I had it, though, I had some type of strange throbbing

that was going on in my extremities. Oh, hey, let's just get into that. Sounds a little bit wild, but it's true. This time I didn't have that. I didn't have that. I did have a lot of joint pain, so maybe I had some inflammation going on there. The one thing that happened last time and knock on wood, it doesn't happen this time, either, as I lost so much hair last time. Really?

But fortunately, it seems this time I've avoided that. That's not an uncommon symptom. That's hair, huh? That's some people got from COVID. I guess it's an inflammatory response. That's some people. Yeah, I don't know. It was just kind of weird.

I did not like it. Interesting. Did you? First off, Doug has probably one of the strongest immune systems I've ever known in my entire life. At least set of the four of us here. Oh, for sure. I've known Doug now for, how long have we known each other

now? It's been like 12, 13 years? Yeah. I think I've seen you sick three times in the entire time. Right. And each time you're sick for a day, and then it's gone. And each time I've gotten what you had, I'm sick for a week. You've done that to me twice now, by the way. He's like, I know, I feel so guilty out here.

Were you even right on the stack right away? Did you get on the stack he's like, I know, I feel so guilty out here. Were you right on the stack, right away? Did you get on the stack? Oh yeah, I was doing everything. How soon did you know to even test? Like, did you recognize the same symptoms and go, oh, I better test? Because it wasn't like you were like deathly sick. Yeah, at first I thought I had food poisoning.

And then it became clear to me like the next morning that I was actually fighting something else. Yeah. Because then I recalled, okay, these symptoms are exactly like the ones I had last time. I had COVID. So, probably is that. So I did test and yeah, it came up positive. I wonder if they've done speaking of microbiome.

I wonder if they've done any studies on probiotics and viral infections and their effects. That'd be interesting to pull up to see if there's anything. I don't know, maybe Andrew can look something up over there. I mean, it seems logical that it would help, right? Well, maybe, right? It might because certain probiotics, I know the bacillus strains I think are anti-inflammatory, so that might help with the inflammation

from certain viruses. When I was sick, I was using seed on a regular basis, but I used it before too, so I'm not sure if there was a difference. But it'd be interesting to see if it makes that big of a difference. Now, that's round two for you. Yes. You've only had it once. You had like an hour's worth. You did. You did. You did. It's so funny. You ever pay attention like you're like, I have like super conservative friends,

super liberal friends and how they respond and how they talk about how COVID got them is like, it's very obvious to where they're at. And I'm saying, that shit was bullshitting. It was so easy. Yeah, I didn't even slow me down. I had my like liberal friends,

you got all the shots, all the boosters like, man, thank God I got those shots and boosters. I'm not a guy. I would have died. It was so bad. I'm gonna die if it is. It is an interesting. Yeah. That was a response.

Hey, listen, I'm, look, I'm, I, you know, that was a tough time for me because I'm a high, I'm borderline hypercontract. So that whole period of time for me was so exactly. I just rough your test and I'm in it. We have. That'll think you're anywhere near borderline. You think of the jet like full full scale? Yeah. Doug, can you please step in here?

No, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm in denial of this. Yeah. Hey man, listen, I stuck, hey, but I stuck to my full face. Doug text me before he came in this morning, he goes, yo, send me a screenshot of your negative test report. But I said, yeah, I got you, bro, I got you. I got a few of those.

So I sent it over to him so we could send it to the thread. So Sal will be okay with him coming to work. No, I recognize Doug's thumb in the picture. Yeah, that was a good thumb. I knew that was him when I saw it. Oh man. Anyway, yeah, so, you know, back to the conversation about the microbiome, if that's you,

you can even try supplementing with a probiotic. Like we work with seed. You can try and see if you notice any symptom relief. And if you will, you'll probably notice it within the first few weeks. Do you take it consistently? I know, do, every day. So you're consistent.

I told you how I use it. I'm not, only when your gut is off. Or I know I'm gonna eat something that's gonna throw it off. Like I intentionally know I'm gonna go into something that I probably shouldn't have. Like I notice a huge difference if I proactively take that beforehand and expect a big difference. Speaking of food,

I got to tell you guys a story. So I took my daughter and my 13 year old and my two year old to my mom's house. And Jessica's always like, listen, make sure your mom doesn't like, she's always trying to offer so much food. And, you know, with the railiest, we gotta be careful with what is eating right now.

He's on a kind of low histamine diet. And she's like, and I'm always arguing with her, like, no, she's fine. You know, she the realist, we gotta be careful with what he's eating right now. He's on a kind of low-histamine diet. And she's like, and I'm always arguing with him, like, no, she's fine, she's not doing that. I have an Italian mom, okay. If you've ever been to a like an Italian grandma's house, they will offer you. Yeah, be weird, but she was like Swedish. Yeah, that would have made sense, right?

But they'll offer you food every hour. Every hour on the dot, they're gonna offer you something. So I get there and with my daughter, she's like, hey honey, what about this? Can I make you that? I got this, I got that. And they're going back and forth, my daughter's like, no, no, no, I'm fine, no, I'm fine.

No, I'm like, mom, I think she's okay. Like I think she's, I don't know where my mom busts out like full size candy bars. Where does she get these? She get, I see like over my head, my mom's offering like a Snickers bar. I'm like, where did you get these? Why do you have full-size candy bars?

And you're covered. That has to be one of the... She wants to be the best grandma. Dude, she's got stashes of food. And like, I don't care what you like, she's got it. And she'll offer it to you. Do you think that's like one of the number one arguments with couples is in laws feeding their kids?

Like, I feel like that has to be one of the, almost every parent that I've talked to that is trying to make sure they feed their kids a well-balanced diet very early is like, yeah, wait till he goes to, you know, grandma and grandpa's, like that is the biggest chunk. You know what's crazy about it too, is like, so we laid the law with all that stuff

and they still, they lie. That's crazy. They do. Yeah, and they end with,. That's crazy. They do. Yeah. And they and what really some weird pleasure out of what, yes, what gets, what gets me so angry is that they think it's funny and cute. Like, it's like, oh, yeah, we won't tell your dad. You know what I'm saying? It's like, no, dude, don't do that.

And the kid always sells them out. So that's how you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, if it was up to them, I asked them, they lie. I'm like, yeah, he told me I'll show up. And I really like to be like, no, not in a blue candy. Yeah. You can't. You're saying we talk about blue can now. I don't know. I'm like, oh, I'm saying? Like, if it was up to them, I asked them, they'd lie and I'm like, yeah, he told me. I'll show up and they're really, it's like, no, no, no, blue candy. You can't, you're saying, we're talking about blue candy. I don't know blue candy. I'm like, oh, blue.

Ever come song, you're just doing jump jacks. I'm like, dude, I know what happened. So I'm out of, out of all your eyes, his relationships, who gets more mad in that situation? So do you get more mad at Courtney? Do you get more mad at Jessica in the situation? Well, so because Jessica's mom isn't around, they're always with my parents. So it's more of an issue with my parents. Although my mom's pretty good.

Yeah, I know, but who's, do you get more mad about it or does Jessica get more mad about it? Probably Jessica, because I understand, you know when you have a friend or a family member that is a particular way. You sound just like a child right now. Well, hold on, hold on, excuse right now. Hold on, hold on.

Hold on to the family. Fuck, and dude, you're just here so good. Listen, you guys are the same dude. Let me paint context for you. I'm gonna get an excuse right now. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. I'm gonna get an excuse right now. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. I'm gonna get an excuse right now. Hold on a sec.

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Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec. that mad because like it's sad. Like he did 80% right. Like that's really good for sale. I mean, she's like,

when I understand, I know my parents. I know my parents and they're doing pretty damn good. Believe me, compared to how they could be, they do pretty damn good. So is that the same thing? Yeah, it's the same bullshit excuse. So I'm like, listen, if it was my mom, I said I would lay the law,

but the last time she would say, listen, if you ever wanna see that kid again, you don't feed him like that. Scaring the shit out of my mom, I will I would lay the law be the last time she would say listen If you ever want to see that kid again, you don't feed him like that Scared the shit out of my mom. I will not do that to that But she won't do that. She's just like well, you gotta understand that this is how they do it I remember the first excuse was this is how my brother shows love. I'm like really? That's like that's gonna be your your way of justifying Does your mother-in-law buy my toy every time she does? Yes, dude This is these are these are like two of the biggest you biggest fights that we have right now is the in-laws with how they feed them

and how they give them stuff. You and Jessica should create a support group. I started going, oh. I, my grandma, this is, so this is like generational. My grandma used to come up to me and she'd give me a hug and while she's hugging me, she'd slip me. Candy and she while she's hugging me she'd slip me candy or money. Here's a word. Here's a word.

I swear to God. She would slip me like we were like it was a drug deal. Money or candy. No. No. Or she'd like hug me like this and like put it in my pocket and I'd be like what the hell I got. Don't do that.

Yeah or like I have like five bucks or something like that. This is a thing. This is the same thing. He used to do that too with like my cousins because like they were like super staunch about not having any sugar like my uncle and aunt and he would like send them off with like candy bars and all that.

Okay, I know exactly what I'm up for like with my kids. Yeah. So they're totally bad on that end. And then Courtney's the family and her parents are more like cinnamon from the TV to kind of babysit them. Like that is the whole out of me. And so it was like this, you know, you have both angles area of like the...

So I'll be eating something, you have like the TV time. So are you both equally upset then? So like can I go to, oh yes. And then we just kind of like balance it on like, okay, how much time do we you know have them watch versus them? And then I think that's I think that's what I've come to is just like okay They they spend 10% or less of their time with at their grandparents house. So you know that one time they do this or that and and if I can get them to do it

50% of the time, you know, then I'm like, okay, I'm still probably used to counting. I see both sides of it. So one side, you want to be respected as the parent. And then the other side, you see the value and then having a relationship with their grandparents. So I see both sides. Yeah, but okay, so that is the excuse that Katrina tried to make with her brother and

stuff like that. I'm like, I said, that's such a poor reason because that's an unhealthy way to build a relationship, build it on something else, build it on playing tickling, playing outside, jumping in the water. I mean, there's a thousand other things you could build in bond, read, you know, do something else.

Yeah, I know what it's, I know the balls are in the form. It's easy. It's easy. It's a layup, you know? Because like we've been like staunch about it. Like we talked to the kids all the time about like, making better decisions and whatnot.

And so they'll go over to my parents at stay overnight and they'll say no. And my mom gets so offended. She comes at me. It's like, why are you making them be all healthy? And like, do you listen to yourself right now? You know, like I'm taking that away from you. So what do you guys think then?

Cause okay, every generation raises their kids different, right? So I think I feel like the TV is a big one. Yeah. When I was a kid, saying like, you guys, we were in front of the TV, it wasn't a big deal. Now we're more aware, like you can't watch as much TV. What do you guys think it's gonna be with our kids when they bring their kids over to our house?

What are we gonna be doing that they're gonna say don't do? You know, we're gonna be in the metaverse, bro. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Don't don't bring about side. What are you doing? It's dangerous outside. Just put your head set on and you know, yeah, I have no idea like what that's gonna look like. We're gonna have to deal with that. It's gonna be really weird. I don't I think if we do a good job with ours that It'd be really weird. I don't know, I think if we do a good job with ours, that we'll have this culture around when we're all together with the families that we do physical things, things that interact with each other.

And so that becomes the norm. And then maybe we don't have to battle that so much. I mean, that's my hope is that we put it all the work in as dads when they're young, that later on when they get a little bit older. And so I doubt that they want to do that stuff. I mean, I see this, like I have a cousin, Stephanie who listens to the show,

she, they have a bunch of kids, right? I love her, yeah. And she, they grew up in a six kids, homeschooled house, she turned around, has kids, they do the same thing, homeschooling their kids, and their kids are incredibly intelligent. They live like on a farm, they're used to doing outside. So, and it doesn't mean they don't like to sit down

and watch a movie or... It's a culturally-grumpy. Yeah, and it doesn't mean they don't like to sit down and watch a movie or... It's the culturally grew up in there. Yeah, but that's such the norm that the default to watching a movie or iPad or TV stuff like that is only because there's absolutely nothing else to do. Like they'll go find something else to do first and then it's like, okay, there's nothing that may be, but I bet you, I bet you would be the opposite, right?

It'll be like, I'm teaching them dangerous stuff, like, you know, blown up firecrackers, I'm teaching them dangerous stuff, like, you know, blown up, firecrackers, you know, like chopping wood and like whatever it is, it's like, you know, someone on the dangerous side, like, I bet you, it's, that's going to be even less normal, like everybody's like so bubbled out with the way that they raise their kids. It feels like that already, don't you? Yeah. I feel like that.

You, I mean, you're pretty good about getting the boys out and doing some wrist stuff. Well, there's already, you let your kid climb a tree, a hundred feet up in the air and stuff like that. Yeah, Justin's a little bit serious. You do some pretty good. They're feral. Yeah. I don't know how you do that.

You know, they don't allow, like his kids get off the curb. He's like, whoa, you see the curb there? I don't know. Bro, it's literally like six inches. They're gonna be okay. They're gonna be okay. Hey, they don't let kids play tag. Do you guys know that? What? Yeah, they don't let kids play like tag.

Do you guys know that? What? Yeah, they can't play tag. Is it racist? No. No. No. No. I figured they think they find some way to tie it to it. No, because kids like Ryan and they push each other. Red Rover was out a long time ago. That game was full. It's the best game ever. There's a lot of stuff that they can't play.

We don't like. Yeah, they can't play. It can't play a lot of these games. What's it called? dodgeball? They don't stuff that they can't play. Wait until you get it. You don't like it. Yeah, they can't play. They can't play a lot of these games. What's it called? Dodgeball? They don't play. They can't play dodgeball. Kids are getting blasted with.

So I brought up the other day about the kids and TV and iPad time, right? What are you guys doing? Because there's another one that we're trying to work through. And again, I don't necessarily know. I know the right answer for this. I'm trying to navigate my way through this is toys. Like at what point do you think the kids having too much toys is actually a bad thing?

And at what point too, are you depriving them if you're just like, you got two toys, that's all you get to play with. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, where, how do you guys manage, you know, the amount, and I don't know if this is a big of a problem for you guys. I mean, I have a mother-in-law who gets a toy, two toys,

like every week. You know, so it's like compounding, obviously. Jessica's really good. So obviously she runs the house, right? She's really good at everything. She's really, well, most things, when it comes to the kids. I know.

I get points every time. I'm really podcasting. You hear that? I'm just telling you. It's your word. No problem. No, she's when it comes to raising the kids, obviously she, you know, she manages most of that.

And I never really paid attention to that. But what she does, which I think is really good, is she has, we have toys and she brings out like five or six and then Aralius will just play with those for a while. And then when he goes to bed, I don't know, once a month or something, she trades him out for another four or five. And the rationale is when there's too much stuff for them to play with, they don't even play with anything. They don't focus on what they're going to do. It's too many choices, too much stuff, too much clutter. So she'll have like five or six laid out. And then once you kind of get six sick of those, she'll, she'll train

them out and she gets rid of stuff. You know, as an adult, you guys remember, when I was in high school, it was a dating, I'm going to date myself a little bit here, right? It was, it was cool. Like, you know, collect video cassette, you know, movies, VHS. And, you know, as a, as a kid, like, who's had it work in a summer job and part time during the years to fight that, like, you know, as a kid, like, who's had it work in a summer job and part time during the years to fight that, like, you know, I can't afford to have, you know, infinity number of VHS tapes. So I had like 20, you know, I get to buy one every three to six months, I can afford

to go buy the $20 VHS or whatever. So when I had a collection of, say, 25, like, video cassettes, I mean, all through high school, I must have watched all of those, you know, 60 times each. And it was always an easy choice for me. Like, I'm looking up at my shelf and it's like, oh yeah. Now you go on Netflix to take you an hour and a half to get. Yeah, like, I have way more options than I ever have,

but then I sometimes all end up spending 30 minutes looking for something and then giving up. Oh, there's nothing to watch. I know. No, there's nothing to watch. That's true. It is. I mean, I highlight your to watch. That's true. It is. That's true.

I mean, I highlight your point with the kids having so many choices. That's, I think that's a Montessori thing, is that they say put out like few toys, so they can focus on just those toys to play with and not put, not over one one with just a bunch of stuff everywhere. So how have you tackled this?

Well, I'm not in that phase anymore, but like when we had like toys just abundant toys We would kind of go through and see you know We just like grab the toys and like take them out of the room and then just see if they notice and they wouldn't even notice and so we would just like kind of scale it down Every so often and we would just kind of see what they would lean towards. And then later on, we tried to kind of like incentivize them to sell. So Courtney would like kind of set up this Facebook thing where they could kind of like sell the toys

and all this stuff and they're kind of involved with that. So every now and then we'd do like a spring cleaning and then they would like sell their toys. And that helped because it was like it You know they wanted to see it go to some other kid or somebody else I like that. So you you're okay. I have an idea that the I had a friend that used to donate Toys yeah, and donate so this is what I want to do like so I told Katrina what I like to do is we just switched to moved and I feel like I could purge Like at least 80% of these fucking toys right now

So I want to get rid of a big chunk of them. And then I wanna build them like this shelving that has these individual cubbies. And then I want the, I wanna. Wait a little while on the second backup, you're gonna build it? Well, no, not, you know, like that. Like somebody will build it.

Yeah, okay. I was like, well, this is crazy, you know. This is fucking three weeks later. You know what I'm saying? Good job, bro. You made like a six cubbies. Sorry, sorry. I feel like the carniv like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm ask, I wanna go to the toy and store, we have to give away one. So that's how I wanna do it. It's like, okay, so you replace it.

So yeah, so let's say he's got 32 cubbies. Which one do you wanna replace? Yeah, exactly. So you can see all 32 is toys, and then he's asking his dad, hey dad, I want this, I want that. Okay son, well, let's go look at your toys, which one would you like to give to somebody else?

And then make him choose one to gift before we go buy another one. That's what I'm trying to do. I like that. Now, I'm wondering if he's, you think he's at the right age? Do you think he'd be okay with that at his age? Well, I think that it's,

it would, we'd start training that now. Obviously, it would take a while for him. I have no idea, that's why I'm asking. Cause I want, you know, you know, certain age kids, they don't know how to share because they don't understand the concept. Yeah.

So, I love that idea though. I had a friend who did, who kids were a little older, they're like five or six. And when they would get toys for Christmas, they would donate like equal amount of toys to other kids. Yeah, I mean, we're turning four in July. So I think we're getting to an age where he understands it. Yeah, he understands the concept of sharing, understands one or two and like all those things like that.

So I think if I organize it right, and I told her like Katrina, I was like, this is such a perfect time because we're moving from one place to another. So he won't even realize they're all gone. We'll make something really nice for him and be like, this is where all your plus, I'm also thinking to the cleaning and organized side too, like I want them to have a place. Like this toy has this place, this toy has that place. It helps them organize their mind too. I remember Jessica that place. It helps them organize their mind too. I remember Jessica saying that,

that helps them organize their mind. And you ever hear the term, like if you organize your client, your closet, you'll organize your mind a little more, or they'll tell that to people who feel anxious. So it's like, the mind, I thought you were anxiety. Yeah, I believe this was,

I wanna say, money story taught this, I wanna say, yeah, it's pretty, I like your idea though, I like this was, I wanna say money sorry taught this, I wanna say. Yeah, it's pretty, I like your idea though. I like that too because it combines like them giving, right, you know, not just getting rid of, but giving to others. I feel like there's a couple of them there, right? Obviously have a choice.

Right, I think, I think he, learning to sacrifice, learning how to gift, being organized. I think there's a lot of benefits to it. Now, I understand how young of an age is, it's gonna take some extra effort on our our part to stay on it, right? To one, cut down to the say however many. And I told Katrina, listen, I'm flexible on how many right now? Like you can come up with a number, but let's just agree that we have a certain amount of toys that he has. And then if he wants another one, or if he gets another one, let's say he gets gifted a toy and we come home with it, it's like, okay,

we need a spot for it, where are we gonna put it? Which one are we gonna give away to some other kid and then make him choose and then that, the new toy goes out. I'll tell you, yeah, so I'm in a little bit different phase right now, the Natt and it's fighting like smoking cigarettes and so on. Yeah, they're just like into drugs.

Yeah, wow. Wow. Jason, one drug in a tank, he's like, he can't get him to quit those damn cigarettes, man. Just packs after packs, you know. Yeah, God, where was I? You missed the munchies, Adam. No, I got it, I got it.

It's back. Yeah, it's back. So they're in this phase now, where they're real entrepreneurial. Yeah. And Ethan, especially, so they have this thing it's like called town and so he started out kind of like selling soda and all this stuff and like making all these different concoctions himself

and like added like granitein or like it need like created all these kids. So yeah, you have all these different options to like enhance like a soda. Oh, that's great. So anyway, so he sold all this at school. And then it didn't stop there. He like, he's still like kind of thinking and scheming all these ideas.

And so he, he knows that that prime drinks really popular and all these like kind of like drinks where people where kids are just like, you know, wanting to buy this stuff off of other kids. And like, he sees a market for this seven-up drink that was like a powder. So they have these like powders like sugar-free, seven-up powders that they put in their water. And so he was able to buy it online for cheaper. And he's like selling it.

So his competition's selling it for like three bucks, he's gonna sell for one buck, right? And he's, it's awesome. Like, you know, like 20 cents, a little packet. And so anyways, so he's gonna sell for one buck, right? And he's, it's awesome. A awesome like, you know, like 20 cents, a little packet. And so anyways, so he's kind of going through this and he's making a little bit some money like every single day and he's like selling it to everybody.

And he just recruited his little brother, right? So now Everett's like, you know, taking some, and he's like, I got three new clients today, dad. No, he did it. Like selling with that right now? Yeah, and I'm like, I mean, it's great. And selling with that right now? Yeah, and I'm like, awesome. I mean, it's great and I love it. And it's like, I'm like,

can we like spin this now and like get some like healthy products in here? Is he paying a commission? Or is it a water? Is he paying commission? Yeah, so Ethan's basically running him. And so he's given him 50% of the profit that they get from it. And so it's like, and he's kind of like

showing it out to him and then running. And then he's trying to find more people to help him kind of, you know, run his enterprise. I guess right. That's right. That's right. When I was a kid, I signed up a bunch of people in MoLons for 20 bucks a long.

And they pay my cousin 10 bucks. And I stayed at home watch TV while he motorbikes long. It's perfect. My dad found what you have changed. Yeah. So you guys do all this. I'm perfect. My dad found what you have. What you have changed. Yeah. Yeah. You guys do all this. Oh, okay.

I gotta tell you guys, Arraileus cracks me up. He started saying this phrase. I don't know where he gets it from, but like, if he gets frustrated or something, he'll go like this. He'll do something. He'll have a fresh,

but like, whole life. I'm like, what? He must have heard it. He must have heard it. One of us faced something like, whole life I've been put up with this shit. Yes, so much.

He just sets it all the time now. He'll be playing as you know, his blocks will fall over. Oh, whole life. We just start cracking up. Oh, my God. What is he doing? My favorite is Max's thing with the tie. Like he has no concept of how long two or three minutes is,

but Katrina for so long would tell like when it's time to like for bath time or with that. And he'd be like, it's time. Let's go for bath time. No, no, no, I want to play. And then Katrina would be like two more minutes. So she's done that since the beginning. So now he knows to ask for that. You don't say, come on. It's time for bath time. Two more minutes.

One and then you go, okay, fine. Yeah, she walks up to you. Do you guys get a visual timer? No, we don't have. So it's really cool. So we have one. And it's you turn it and it's like a color changes to show you how much time is left. And then the learn, how much five minutes is too much. And right now I kind of like that he doesn't

because then I can lie. Right. So I can use that to my advantage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a small window, dude. You want to keep that.

Yeah, exactly. Well, I like the fact that there's a lot of power to it that he doesn't know. Hey, you know what works really well right now with my toddler is reverse psychology. Two years old, I can get him to do anything if I tell him not to do it. Anything I want, I'd be like,

you better not put your toys away and he puts all his toys away. Just gonna have a kid with your child. I'm like, this is amazing. How would you compare his, you know, quote unquote, terrible twos to your other kids? My oldest was chill. He was always chill. So he was pretty easy. My daughter,

my 13 year old, she had terrible twos, threes, fours, fives, and sixes. And went all the way from two to six. And she lost, I told you guys, one time she threw a tantrum at Target, knocked around two thought. I told you guys about that once, right? And she went nuts and hit herself on the floor and knocked two thought. So Aralius is in between. He's got the terrible twos, he throws tantrums, but he's not like my daughter was where you're like, do we got like what's going on here? Do we have a problem?

We have a call of doctor. So he's in between, but he's too. And supposedly gets worse. So we'll see what we'll see. How are your boys? Were they the same like as far as that phase? Ooh, I think it would like Everett definitely had it earlier. The Ethan took a little bit longer.

It was like more like terrible forers for him. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so yeah, it was different, but I mean, they both had their moments of like, I think it's just asserting themselves and like wanting to kind of to push back real hard. But ever for sure it was more explosive. I guess we'd be-

He's more like, he's very like, he's your twin, right? Like if he's just not feeling something, dude, you better batten down the hatches. And you gotta let him write it out. Because the more you push, the more they go off. Yeah, that's what, you know. And I mean, he'll listen to me and everything, but at the same time, like, he wants to,

oh, give his frustration out, and then is like, okay. Whew, I need, you just have to leave him alone. You know, you just have to leave him alone. Are there traits you guys see in them that you know came from you, that you wish they didn't have that came from you? Oh. Yeah, like ever super clumsy, dude, and just like smashes everything.

And he's like, I know like, you know, softness and dexterity with like anything. He's broken more things. And it's like, you know, it's coming. And he'll just like, there'll be something like, just hanging on the corner of the table and just, psh, psh. You know that's how we feel when you go place with you, right?

I know, right? I know. I know. I bet it's like, I'm a whole new churned shop. I'm a whole new churned shop. Just hate that. Turbo or nothing. Yeah.

That's it. You know what? If I think about it, Aralius is very cautious, which is how I was when I was a kid. So Jessica wants some decline stuff. Yeah. You know, he to climb stuff. Yeah. You'll climb hell of slow, but by help, you know what I'm just, he's like, he's dead.

I'm like, sorry. He's heard of so. You, as I said, that's a trait you wish you, because Max kind of has a little bit of that too, I think. Where's cautious? Were you like that? So, and what I see him doing, I was telling her this the other night,

we were actually talking about this. And I said, you know, I was a bit cautious with things that I just wasn't interested in. But if it was something I was really interested in, I would do dangerous stuff. Yeah, so I did definitely stuff where I looked back, no, I'll be like, that was pretty stupid. Like I probably shouldn't have done that.

That was super dangerous. But it was something I was really into. Like we were at a very young age. I was out, as soon as I could ride a bike, I was out ramping it off of ramps and going down hills and hitting dirt mounds and coming back all messed up. So I definitely did stuff that risky stuff as a kid,

but then I also was the type where all the kids were doing something and it was something dangerous and I wasn't in there trying to pressure me and I'm doing it like, nah, I'm cool. And so you couldn't like course me to do something I didn't wanna do. And it was less about if it's riskier, not to say, I don't doing it. I'm like, nah, I'm cool. Yeah. And so you couldn't like, course me to do something I didn't want to do. And it was less about if it's riskier, not just one inch.

I don't want it. I want to interest it. So I see that in him where he's like, you know, he still scoots his butt down the stairs. Even though he could like walk up and down the stairs. That's like, that was me, man. He still does that. But then he'll, you know, jump from couch to couch to couch

and, you know, he's falling a couple of times and almost hit the concrete slab and like so he'll... So he does certain things that he's risky than other things he seems super cautious about. I didn't get... I wasn't a risk taker at all until I was probably 16 and I got my driver's license and then I was very risky with the car. But other than that, I never did anything like physically. I mean, I did judo and stuff like that, but I never climbed things and jumped off things and stuff like that.

And I really just like that. So you won't break any bones, honey. You'll be fine. That's it. Speaking of your kids, Justin, because your kids like magic, they like magic spin so much, did you give them the new birthday cake? Yeah, I have. They like it. Yeah, they do, actually, they like it. They like still prefer the fruity, but that was like their second favorite. So yeah, I had brought that home because we just finally, and I'm so glad now that they send it

because it was like a limited flavor. It's permanent. And now it's permanent. Oh, it is? Yeah, birthday cake is permanent. Sure about that. Positive. Yes.

Oh, I thought it was just the same. Yeah, and that's why they sent us over, like, I still have one. I mean, they always have, like, these cool featured flavors, and then we are late to the party in terms of taste. Have you tried the birthday cake? I haven't, Max has had it.

Katrina, so Katrina took some home, and I've seen him eating them, and she says he loves them, but I haven't had it yet. What are the macros on that again? Because someone's listening right now. 150 calories for a cup. And what's the protein?

13 grams. Yeah, that's great. How often do you kids eat it? I mean, it's kind of like off and on. Like so it, I would say probably, I don't know, every kind of four days or so. Okay. I have like, yeah, like,

oh, Maxi's daily. Oh yeah, you do a dry, right? You do dry at school. Yeah, that's it. I don't think that. Do any kids eat it with milk anymore? Like he doesn't? Like he doesn't.

He's, you know, he's, he's, I don't know if he's, I don't know if he's, I don't know if he's had it like that before we actually do. Or you know, like he does those little cups. You know the ones where you have your hands, but we just don't obviously use them. Oh, maybe that's why like they've trained them. Yeah.

Now it's just eat like, so he, he prefer, you know what he likes to? Like I'll take the waffles out and he doesn't want me to toast them sometimes. I'm like, buddy, it's cold. It's like out of the freezer. He's a fruit, yeah, yeah. He waffles too without syrup and butter.

Yeah, he likes it straight like that. Or if I just drizzle a little bit of honey on it, he just likes to eat it straight like that. You guys want to understand it, dude? You guys want to hear something weird? When I went to Italy as a kid, so I don't know if this is a thing in Europe, but it was in, I guess my family over there.

They, when they poured cereal, they would pour the milk first, and then they'd add the cereal to it. What? That's actually smart. What? It keeps it from getting soggy. Like the, Well, I mean, you're doing it right away.

What's the difference? But they pours milk and then they throw the cereal in the milk versus, I told you I broke it with a girl because like, I was, Oh, yeah because like I was on the phone and she was talking forever. I got serial. That was so mad because all my frosted flakes got all sorry. And you dumped her. Yeah. That's how important the relationship. Speaking of relationship. I want to hear about this show. Is it a show that you listed over their milk manner? What is that? I'm so glad you brought this up. Yes, so this is how

ridiculous TV is now and like programming, right? So, I mean, you've seen temptation, eye-lain, you've seen kind of these accelerations, these dating shows and all this stuff. So the latest, I think it was like a TLC show. They decided, oh, well, there's a whole category, I guess they looked on a porn hub or something, right? Is there just like, yeah, a milf's a big thing. So let's get all these moms on an island, or I don't know if you just know if it's an island,

but it's basically, they put them all in one place, and they're all gonna be dating these guys that are half their age, okay? No. Now the twist is, no. Their mom is there. So they're gonna be dating everybody else's moms.

Whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait. So the sons, the sons are the ones that are coming onto the show with their moms. With their moms, and they have to stay with their mom while they date somebody else's mom the and the moms are dating the other guys does that make sense to you? No, okay, let's let's use let's use my mom and myself as a example. Okay, you're gonna go on the show with your mom. Okay, I'm gonna go on the show with my mom. He's gonna date your mom. You're trying to date my mom.

Oh, like that. Yeah, I'm gonna try to date your mom. Oh, wow. Okay. I'm interested this sounds really funny It's that dude, it's like you wish the reason Try that like your are they okay, they all single moms I'm assuming why would you get with yeah? Who knows these days? That's the twist They're all married. Like it needs any more twists. Wait a minute, so this is fucked up. Hold on a second, so the guys are hanging out with each other.

Yeah, like, can't imagine this. Hey, bro, you better treat my mom, right? Dude, he's a bro. Click on that bottom left picture. I mean, he's all me and Karen. Yeah, that's not. Karen, that's my mom's. Like, dude, my mom's.

Wow. Wow. Your mom's got some things. Are those them, bro? Is that them? That's them, dude, my mom's Wow Wow, are those them bro? Is that them? Yeah, that's them. That's the show. Hey, you know what this out there young young mom here You're the guys God, but you're much a kid but you're back I mean, okay, so you know, it might be we're most likely to hook up hook up with one of our moms out of the three of us Well, hold on a sec. You we're not I'm just likely to hook up with one of our moms out of the three of us. Well, hold on a sec.

You. We're not. You totally are guys. I would totally hook up with Sal's mom. There's a reason why you've never met our moms. Have you met your mom here? Yeah, yeah. No, but my mom.

I was like safeguarding yourself. Yeah, trust me. I'm Adam's a predator. You're the prey. I'm just kidding. Adam's a predator. You're the prey. I'm just kidding. You know, it would be weird about the show. Have you ever met, like, you ever meet a woman or, you know, whatever, and you think she's attractive, but then you meet her dad or her son or whatever.

It looks like him. And then it's like, oh, like, what if these guys are like, they're like, oh, she was so hot. And then you meet the dude and you're like, oh, you look like your mom. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens to at least one. Yeah. I'm saying one of them that looks like the mom. Bro, so the whole on, how many episodes you watched?

I haven't watched any. I just saw the concept in the trailer and I was like appalled, but I mean, yeah, I could see. Is it Netflix? It's interesting. Is it Netflix? No, it's on TLC. TLC.

That's a network. Is that where it's at? I have no idea. I don't know what it's like. If you see LZ, like, yeah, I don't know. No, that's a channel, right? It's's a network is that where is that I have no idea. I don't know what it's like. Yeah, she'll see like No, that's a channel right? But that's normally on watch on discovery Dogs I don't know what the magic box is listen. I don't know what the tiny

Hey, I gotta tell you guys about a study a groundbreaking study You guys have read studies and things to yourself, who funded this all the time? All the time. I would think. So what do you guys think would happen if you take men and then you add, give them testosterone? Do you think their libido increases or decreases? Oh, let's think about that for, I don't know, know immediately of course. Yeah, so this is the article this article smearing testosterone on man makes them into horny beasts Scientists find and then it says we're shocked and it's surprised absolutely no mind I just have discovered that literally smearing testosterone onto the skin of young straight dudes

Makes them unbelievably horny. I like how they put that unbelievably Settle about why do they fun studies like this? Well fund studies like this? So when you see a study like that, do you right away go look and see who funded it and if there's any sort of promotions or anything attached to it? I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of studies going on with testosterone right now

because of the declining rates in testosterone. So it's like, we've talked about this on the show before. The rates, testosterone rates in men have been climbing for decades now. To the point where an 18 year old man today, I think 18 year old, would have the testosterone of like a 50 year old man in 1980, something along those lines.

So it's like really, really dramatic. So there's lots of studies going on with testosterone, behavior, cognitive performance, brain development, health, and that kind of stuff, because this is an issue that's on the horizon, or actually it's in front of us, right? You know what I wonder about that? Because, I mean, it is promoted so much lately,

like in terms of like the over-the-counter accessibility and availability now versus like when we grow it, because they did have the test boosters and they had all these kind of like crappy versions of it but like what you know Do they do people have access to now besides like kind of go and bypassing a Physician well, oh well this herbs and stuff like that, but just off sides and stuff. Yeah, peptides They don't really have any I don't think that raised testosterone, they have growth hormone releasing ones, but testosterone replacement therapy, you guys know, this obviously we've talked about this, is exploded. It was, if like 15 years ago, 20 years ago,

if you went to the doctor and your testosterone was low or yet symptoms of low testosterone, they're not going to put you on anything. Unless you're so low that you're sick, they wouldn't touch it. put you on anything. And unless you're so low that you're sick, they wouldn't touch it. Now, I mean, you could, I mean, like the place we work with, like they meet you digitally online and then they mail it to your house.

That was unheard of a couple of decades ago. Now, I mean, we've talked about it before. It closely mirrors the medical marijuana field. I mean, that's what it's exploding. Yeah, no, that's what it's looking like. Isn't the test booster supplement space, like one of the largest as far as money-wise? I think one of the most profitable,

but I wouldn't say the largest. I don't think it's the largest. I don't think it's close to the level. I think it is, bro. Could you look it up, Devin? I think fat burners, fat protein powder, fat burners. Okay, so the reason why I don't think that? Because you're talking about that's like performance

and people that are into working out, like even people that don't work out are taking test boosters. They are, but you're also automatically have segmented your market to just men, because women aren't taking testosterone booster, you know, boost supplements. Yeah, that's fair. So that's I think why it would be a smaller market.

But I know they're profitable because the markup on testosterone boosters, their margins are huge. They typically all have the same four or five ingredients to like the Ashto Agandas, the Hornigote wheat, like there's a handful of things that like have proven to show that it's zinc, zinc vitamin D, boron will probably be in some of them. And then, you know, because if you have deficiency, there's in those, what does that say? 5 million? 305 million dollar market.

Yeah. So compare that to give me a fat burner now. So the fat burner supplement market. Oh, that's gotta be at least a billion, I would say. Or double. I mean, $305 billion is a lot. It is. Yeah, but what does the fat burner market look like?

34 billion. Oh, well, 39 billion. Oh yeah, so way more. Wow. Way more. That's not even close. No, no. So fatburners, I think your top number one, you got protein patterns at the top, probably, because remember, we talked to our friends in the supplement space. What do they say? You bring them, you, you, you have small margins on your protein, because that's so competitive. And then you bring them in and the way you make your money is with your pre workouts, your testosterone boosters and your fat burners because the margins are so big.

So it's like that Costco model where they sell stuff at a loss. You know how wrong I was right there? That's like so far off. That's not even close. 34 billion per day. One of those ripe though. Just stupid.

I forgot I had something for you to bring. I had something to bring up that you were wrong and I fucking. Was that really? Yeah, of course. You know that people like DM us the whole time. Do they really? Oh, here's something just totally counter. Bring it up. I don't care, dude.

Oh, dude. Okay, so you know how I'm like super into like origins of like where a lot of these movie ideas and things kind of come out of and all that. Like and we kind of went down the rabbit hole of one with like the matrix and terminator. How they like that one lady claimed like she wrote the whole thing. Yeah. So you guys know where like stranger things came from. No. Yes, so it's actually based off of like this experiment, the Montagg project. Montac, am I saying that right? Montacg, yes. So this was like a, I mean, I guess it's a verified like tied into like MK Ultra, where they were like

experimenting with kids. What? Yes. And you know, this is also the area where they were like experimenting with kids. What? Yes. And you know, this is also the area where they found these weird animals. Remember that one that was like, I mean, they thought it was like it washed up on shore and it had like all these parts like eaten off of it and it looked weird. It almost looked like, so it was like a raccoon but just had been eaten. So it looked like this weird, it had like a beak and they thought it was some mutant creature. No, and did they make it? The Montog monster, I think, is what they call

it. Really? Yes. Look at that. Look it up. So give me some context. But where did you come across this? You go on a show where you like looking at history to the stranger thing. Yeah, I just kind of kind of peruse. Well, was this so was so let me so was this like a government funded like where they were trying to see if they could find kids with like psychic ability. Yes. Whoa. Yeah. This must have been Cold War era stuff. Yeah. I mean, this was I think it was a 70s. Yeah, must have been. Yeah. So you did so much crazy shit happened during the Cold War because of the threat of nuclear war

that we funded, we funded the man who's there at Goats and all that stuff. That was real. We actually spent millions of dollars. What's that one? On remote viewing. The man that's there at Goats. That's a movie about the whole process.

About being able to basically telepathically kill a goat from afar. That was like a real test. I was trying to do that. They spent millions of dollars on remote viewing where they would have people who claim to be psychic and they'd have them draw out things that they could see at a distance and they wanted to see if they could we could spy on Russia with psychics and they actually spent money millions of dollars on this kind of stuff. Wow. Yeah, I know.

There had to be something there for them to go that deep and spend that kind of money, right? Yes, there's been, there's been some people that have done it and have gotten through all of these walls of the government and we're able to read like, like, classified documents and then we're like literally like write it down and then give them like a password. So if you really yes, so if you look at the make any sense if you look at the research on this it was better than. Random in other words it was there were they did better than then what you would get like people just guessing. But it wasn't good enough to invest money in because it wasn't dependable. But there was something there, which is really weird. So it kept spending money on it.

Was there a good movie or a good doc on this? Was there something like that? Well, yeah, the silly one was men who stare at goats as an actual movie with George Clooney. George Clooney, was it a spoo for whatever it's like? It kind of, I mean, it was tongue and cheek, but it was like, yeah, kind of somewhat accurate, I guess, in terms of experiments that they were conducting.

So, but yeah, so this was actually based on, and so they got the idea, why brought up the Montagmoss or two is because of the Demagorga and all that stuff that they have, like, you know, they're like these monsters. So, it's also, you can kind of see how that might have inspired that. You know, there's some theories right now

that they're using DMT because they think that they're act people who go on DMT are actually seeing alternate dimensions with other beings. And so actually there's some theories that they're doing studies where they're having people try to communicate with these other beings. Have you heard about this? Yeah, like the elf.

Yeah, so here's what's weird. So people who are on DMT, a large percentage of them see the same kind of stuff. So you would think if it's hallucination that it would be super random or what? Well, they are. They make sure thoughts and memories. Yeah, but like they all see like what they call them like the elves and they're like they're working on machinery and they're engineers and then there's like these evil entities and they all look the same. So they're saying, oh, maybe they're investing, you know, I mean, have you ever noticed that with I find that with a psilocybin like that.

So like when we've done like shrooms before and we're looking at like the clouds, I find it interesting that Katrina will see some of the same images that I'm seeing. They're obviously all made up in my head. I'm looking at this. We're looking at just regular clouds. But then when I'm expressing the detail, obviously all made up in my head. I'm looking at this, we're looking at just regular clouds. But then when I'm expressing the detail, she's able to finish the detail. It's all con candy.

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's a little more detail. I do it. I mean, have you not experienced that? Have you not experienced like seeing, being on psilocybin and not seeing something similar at someone else? Yeah, the theory is, is that because we're all human

that our brains are immediately patterned in that. Yes, yeah. I'm very similar way. So that's the alternate explanation, someone else. Yeah, the theory is that because we're all human, that our brains are immediately patterned. Yes, very similar way. So that's the alternate explanation, which is it's not alternative realities. It's actually that we're all humans and our brains all wired similarly. So we're all gonna see similar type of patterns, like faces, skulls, things like that.

Yeah, so faces is one, snakes is another one. I don't remember what the other one was that are quite common. And they think it has to do with evolution. Like we had to be able to see faces to make sure there were no predators and also to read each other's faces. And then snakes was another one because they probably killed a lot of us because they were boys and spiders. I think I was an ice cream. I don't know that. She's blocks of cheese. Doug, did you find the Montauk monster? I did see something on that. Let me pull that up and researching DMT as well.

Doug's research all over the place. His Google searches is where he's on a list. Yeah, I'm sure. So 10 years later, the Montauk monster is still a weird, gross, darkly mystery. Wow. You know what's crazy about this kind of stuff is, maybe I don't know, three decades ago,

giant squids were all theory, and now we know that they're real. You know what they find? You know how big giant squids are? They hunt whales. Whales. So they'll find sperm whales with big markings on it from being attacked from giant squid.

That's how big yeah, these giant squid are and I think Japanese researchers caught one on camera. So you're talking about like a seamonster. Literally, that's how big it is. That's it right there. Yeah. Yeah. That is weird looking. Looks like someone threw their, threw a dog or something. Yeah. so it was all unclear because it was, like it looked like other animals had kind of taken pieces of it, but. Yeah. Those are like real images right there, you know?

Yeah, yeah. That's real. I don't know, man. You guys ever go to Ripley's Believer or not, Museum? Yeah, where's that at? God, where was that, LA? But they have one in San Francisco as well, I think.

I think this go. You ever been there? Yeah, I've never been there. So there's a lot of fake artifacts that people would put together. Like there was this mermaid skeleton that for a long time people debated was, like dinosaur bones.

Yeah, just like dinosaurs. That's just a real little together. Right? No, man, what have they done? How do they know? Yeah. Anyway, good to know. Good stuff.

Do we have any shout outs for today? Oh, dude, I don't think I do have one. You know, you should do shout out our home girl, Becky. Oh, Dr. Becky Campbell. Give her some love. Yeah, Dr. Becky Campbell, what's your Instagram? At Dr. Becky Campbell. That's it, easy.

At Dr. Becky Campbell, functional medicine, Dr. Shease Phenomenal. I'll be interviewing her and her co-host crystal later on. But great information, also very entertaining. So go check them out. All right, check this out. You're not what you eat. You're what you digest.

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It could mean that they don't. It doesn't necessarily mean that they do. This is from that conversation we had in the podcast. It's less than what they're able to get away with. If a serving size is less than five calories in it, they can say zero. This is why it has four calories in a serving size. They can say zero.

So could some of these diet drinks possibly? I don't know. I mean, you have to be more specific, which ones? I think they're zero because if you look at a can diet soda, it's a can is a full serving. It says zero calories. This is like Tic Tacs, right? You look at a can diet soda, it's a can is a full serving, it says zero calories. This is like tic-tacs, right? You look at tic-tacs, and it says like one tic-tac

is a serving zero calories, but obviously you eat the whole box of it. Right, or I can't believe it's not butter thing that says zero calories, but then that's because what are the four sprays is what the serving is. Yeah, I mean, usually, you know, calorie-free diet foods do have zero calories, but I do want to say this that doesn't mean It's not going to have a negative effect. Yeah on your your ability or your chances of burning body fat or gaining body fat Now I don't want to get into the whole like debate. Oh, it's the whether or not the artificial sweeteners effects your you know your ability to metabolize glucose or insulin sensitivity

or some debate, a little bit of debate there. Really, what I experience as a trainer is that because you, it's more of a behavioral effect because it's sweet, it tends to change your palate and your cravings and make you crave more sweet things. And because these drinks come with zero calories, there's this, like, there's no, there's basically no barrier. There's, there's this perception that it's innocuous. I can have as many as I want.

And what you end up with is having one diet soda, two diet sodas. And anybody, if you've ever worked with anybody who consumes diet sodas, you'll notice they have a lot throughout the day. It's number just one. And that changes your behaviors. This is why studies on diet sodas, when they're controlled, when every calorie is counted for, yes, there's zero calories, yes, the person can lose weight

when they replace calories with zero calorie foods. But in the real world, okay, where everyone else lives, when people consume zero calorie diet foods or sodas, they don't lose weight. And the reason why they don't lose weight is because they make up for those calories and other places. And this is why I never used, I never used artificially flavored sodas or diet drinks as part of my strategy with my clients unless it was like a competitor or somebody who's

counting every single calorie or macro, in which case then, okay, you know, but it's just not a good strategy. I had a big discussion with Lane Norton about this on a live IG. And you know, I said, he brought the studies that were control and said, yeah, but the observational ones and the ones in the real world, they don't show weight loss because it makes people eat more. People end up eating more as a result. Yeah. And in regards to ones that have calories that you, you're not for sure the total amount, I think this is the reason why we always recommend that people go the whole foods route.

Does that mean that I would never let a diet soda or I can't believe it's not butter type of thing in the occasional diet or what if that and you make that choice to minimize the amount of calories? Not, it's not the worst thing that's going to happen. But if you build this diet around all these processed foods that are low-cal or zero-cal and your whole diet is comprised of all these packaged things, really, really tough to get a really good accurate number on what my metabolism is. And you're almost always overeat.

They're hyper-palatable, zero-calorie foods. And what happens with, and what's happened for a long time with the food industry or the diet food industry, I should say, is all they account for are calories. What they don't account for are how these foods affects people's behaviors. Because it's behaviors that drive how we eat,

how we exercise, how we move, the choices that we make. So okay, yeah, there's zero calories, but then does that encourage behaviors that make you crave more of other types of foods or eat, want to eat more in general? The novel stimulus without any of the sustenance. Yeah, and it just promotes more of that. I want to keep consuming something. And it does. You end up eating more. And again, this is why studies show that people don't lose weight. Unless it's everything is totally controlled

for in which case they do lose weight, but nobody eats that way, nobody eats that way. Everybody eats and they follow kind of their, how they feel and whatever. And so it's not a great strategy. But in terms of the conversation with the FDA's, what they allow you to say on the label, I think diet sodas are in fact zero calorie,

but like you said, I can't believe, but I'm not, you know, it's not what I'm, it's not what I'm, yeah, it'd be how they define the serving size. Yeah, and then also like protein bars, it's a like that, like I'd be really, if a protein, the most competitive thing with protein bars is how good they taste, right?

And how high of protein they have, and how low of calorie, right? So that's like the three things, like, oh, is it low, low calorie? Is it higher protein? Does it taste good? And so if you don't think that these companies are gonna skirt those lines as closely as possible, to say 20% is the...

Yeah, up to 20% FDA allows them to be off. So you gotta know that if you're in the business of making your bar look lower calorie, higher protein, lower fat or sugars, you're going to skirt those lines so you can get away with it. I wonder if it would be in their best interest to do that. I wonder if they would do something like this because it's 20% up or down. Yes.

I wonder if they'd be like, you go 20 up on protein, 20 down on a load of course. Of course. It makes sense that they would, if they weren't doing it, it's almost silly because they're allowed to get away with that and they're in the market of showing that they're lo... So it's just not a good strategy to build your regular plan or eating plan around a lot of these packaged foods that allow this percentage to be off. So you're far better off disciplining yourself for at least a few weeks or a month of eating whole foods and at least getting a really good handle of, okay, this is, I gain weight

on this, I lose weight on this, I maintain on this, you have a really good understanding of where your calorie intake should be. And then of course, then, okay, oh, I'm on the go, I don't have time, so I get this bar and it's like, you know, 20% on one on one protein bar being up or down is not going to make the difference if you're putting on a pound or two of body fat. So I think allowing it in the diet occasionally is not a big deal at all, but when you are building and trying to figure out where is my cork maintenance at?

And you have all these random food, you eat out and stuff like that. It's like, man, that's really tough to get a precise number that way. Next question is from Z, Bolson 5. If abs are made in the kitchen, how can you build thicker abs? Can you train them more frequently than other body parts? You know, there's just like myths around core training that somehow the core, the muscles of the core respond different to exercise than other parts of the body. They respond just like any other muscle in the body.

So if you want to build abs, okay, now why would you want to build abs? They're more visible. If your abs are more developed, they're gonna be more visible at higher body fat percentages. How would you develop a muscle, resistance? So you wanna do higher resistance core exercises, not 50 reps of crunches, but 10 reps of something

that, you know, in your own perfect form, of course, really, really good form. But you barely ever see. No. Right. So to have that kind of focus of less reps and like more of a strength focus with your core, yeah, that's that's one that if you incorporate that and you do a cycle of just pure strength training with your with your abs. Like you're gonna see that.

Huge results, yeah. Huge results because that's one of those things that I think most people do not do. I mean, it's up there with like when you think of like people doing setups and crunches, how often do you ever see somebody doing five to 10 reps of an exercise really ever? I mean, you said 10, you can do five.

You do like five roll ups, you know what I'm saying? I love to do that. I used to do sets of one or two. I would do dragon flags. Weighted crunches. I would do dragon flags, which sets exercise Bruce Lee used to do. Rocky IV, so if I slumed it in there too.

And that is a high tension. It's of course that's why I did it. That's a high tension exercise. And I would do like two to four reps. Super slow, real controlled controlled and my abs just Developed from doing that, but you never see that with core now part of the reason I think is because with core at with I mean look with all body parts is the true both the core in particular if your form is off It's not gonna work really well. Yeah, so I think it's hard to load to yes

But it's really about tension. Well, I can even do a perfect sit up and we're that saying do as well and we're that saying came from though is that You could do all the abs you want and get super strong abs if you are sitting at 25% body Yeah, I didn't get a see him so there's some truth to that I know that everybody has abs right right? So there is there is some truth to the abs were made in the kitchen I know that it makes a viral video to go counter that message right now like to say that But the truth is you can do all the sit-ups you want and and phase it all the ways you want if you don't Lean out to a certain point you're never gonna see though. So there is some truth there but to think that there's not value in in doing like low-rep

Crunches sit-ups, you knee-ups, things like that. Cable chops. Yeah. Build the size of them, right? Not just reveal them, right? Which I know is a big part. That's why I would say abs are made in the gym, but they're revealed in the kitchen. That'd be better for me.

So small. Oh my God. Did you switch to gyms? Next question is from Don't Worry. It's just Courtney. Is there anything I can do to begin to address imbalances that I'm noticing in my upper body while I'm in the middle of running a program? You know, when I-

Why did you ask this question? It's not my Courtney, you know what I mean? You know what I know? Okay, so when I first learned correctional exercise as a trainer, there's, it's very individualized. You identify imbalances as someone. You're very specific with the types of exercise that you apply, and this is still true. But as I got more advanced,

as I learned more about correctional exercise, I realized that 80% of the way there, you could get simply by doing controlled unilateral exercise. Now you're gonna get all the way there, and you're not gonna rehab as well by doing this. But if you're talking about muscle imbalances, one side strong or the other, more developing the other,

your hips shift one way, one shoulder rises a little bit, just train unilaterally for like three months. So whatever program you're running, take all the exercises and do them unilaterally. So all the barbell exercises, do them dumbbell, one arm, one leg at a time. And if you copy the stronger side with the weaker side, make sure the weaker side dictates the weights

and the reps, but the form is perfect on both sides, then you'll naturally start to correct these imbalances just by doing that alone. Yeah, I mean, obviously this really matters to know what the imbalances to give really good advice. I think that's pretty good general advice. I think for the most part. Would you guys agree like 80% of the way there?

I would say a large percentage of imbalances or discrepancies from left to right could be solved for the most part by training unilateral, focusing on the weaker side first, mirroring that with the stronger side. But I mean, you could have imbalances too, where someone has like, upper cross syndrome and their, you know, their overs keep moving forward. And so, and you don't allow work is not necessarily going to be the biggest benefit for them as much as would be addressing the, you know, being able to retract your sky. I mean, at a time really makes an impact with that and like assessing that first, right?

So, know that like, you know, my tendencies are to kind of form into this type of posture, which is naturally. So I have to prep and set myself up. So I'm actually in good position when I go to perform the exercises. So if you can figure that out and you find like the one to two, like real impactful type of mobility exercises ahead of time.

And then also like apply some lateral training. Yeah, this was, if this was a live caller, we would give them maps prime and map cemetery. Yes. And we'd say, you know, figure out, you know, where you do the zone tests, incorporate some of the movements to address whatever tests you failed, within build it within your program, and you can even do a lot of those things on your off days, and then follow a map symmetry, use all the unilateral work between the two of those. And that doesn't mean that you can't, because I know this person's asking like if they could integrate it into their program, you could technically take the point

sales making about unilateral work, and you could just change out, whatever, say you weren't following our program, following somebody else's and everywhere where it's bilateral, right? You just change it to unilateral work, dumbbell work, and that would work plus with prime exercises. Yeah, ideally, this is kind of like how you check up. I think unilateral trains are a good one to kind of see how egregious some of those and balances are, which then will take you a little further.

If it's to a point where you're starting to feel kind of pain and dysfunction when you're going to lift, that's where we kind of regress a bit. We work a little further on our priming, our mobility, our joint specific function. And then if it's even worse than that, then we go into prime pro, which then we can get you know all those nuances and Corrective type of an approach. I really don't like the the movement that I see right now happening in our side You guys see that I brought it up the other day on the show like there's like a there's a big counter movement to like the you know Being symmetrical and this idea of like, you know You're never gonna be able to beat asymmetry. It's always gonna have nobody is perfectly symmetrical on your side

It's like and so there's thisetry. It's always going to have nobody is perfectly symmetrical on your side. It's like, and so there's this argument. But it's not about target. No, I think it's incredibly important for people to. Like never striving for perfection and anything. No, yeah. Just because I can't achieve it. It's because the benefits of correctional work, mobility have become finally popular.

They weren't popular just a decade ago. They've finally have become popular Now it's the cool thing is to you know find a way to make an argument in case why that's a waste of your time I guess I could see in some cases where that's like like too much of an emphasis like we all knew that trainer That was all about ridiculous like Emphasis on yes, and they never did like a traditional And they never did the traditional like, yeah, and they never did the traditional like muscle building, strength building stuff. So they missed out on that. There's definitely a balance, but this new counter movement is just that.

No, you're going to get clear. Right. So that's, and I know that's what's promoted it, right? Because I know that some of these people that are that are promoting this message are smart. And I know that they are countering the people that have now over corrected, right? We went from not putting any emphasis on correctional work or mobility work or any of that stuff to now all of a sudden it's like everything's built around it. Your entire routine is all this stuff. And so I get that that's the counter movement.

And the truth isn't, you know, one is right, the other one is wrong. It's somewhere in the middle. It's understanding that there's tremendous value for most people to figure out the imbalances they have left to right or any discrepancies they have in a basic squat pattern and then go try and address that through mobility and correctional work. There's a tremendous value in that and so to throw it out completely just because some people over apply it and abuse it. So I had this exceptional physical therapist

that worked with me years ago in my studio. And she was, I mean, she was one of the best people I've worked with when it came to correctional exercise, but she knew very little about traditional strength training. And so I borrowed a lot from her and she borrowed a lot from me. So she would have patients come in who needed correctional exercise work

and she would apply what she knew, and then she would apply traditional barbell work, and they got far better results. And then for me, of course, with my clients, I learned, except so the value is across the board. It's not one or the other, it's both. And yes, you can go too far in one direction or the other. Next question is from Jamie Nicolette 15.

Can you using knee sleeves to squat actually make you lose muscle over time? Oh, that's a funny one. Yeah, no. So knee sleeves are different than knee wraps. Knee sleeves are, they're somewhat tight, but really what they do is they provide. Make you look serious.

If you have knee sleeves on, like people know that this is not to work out. It's going down. This dude works out. You know, it's interesting, right? I don't know if you guys have ever used them, but that external pressure and it's mild, it's not like wraps, the warmth,

it gives you this effect on the joint where it feels like it's got more range of motion. It's crazy false confidence. Yeah, you just feel a little bit better when you move. Oh, I feel like it gives you a sense of more Stability. That's what it feels like to me. It does, but what's funny is like the compression pants I know you felt that difference. I did it's like come on Let's be honest these these tights are not making me way stronger, but there is this sense of yes when it's all tight and compressed like that

I feel more stable. I think that's how the the what's it called is the Correctional tape. What's that tape called? K wide K T K. Why not that No, not that jelly tape. Yeah, it's KT right? It's called is it KT right? Yeah, physiotech Physiotech Andrew. Thank you Andrew was over dug you take a couple days off I know this guy is way faster I think so insecure I'll just walk out now No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, walk out now. No, no, no, no, that's not good. No, so that's how the tape works, too, right?

Right. It's not really providing stability, and it's on your skin. It's not going to do anything. But because it's creating this kind of sensation, feedback, external feedback sensation, like a support, your CNS fires a little differently, and it gives you the sense of increased stability. Now knee wraps do provide stability.

Knee wraps are on really tight. I don't like knee wraps though, unless you're gonna compete in powerlifting, because when you wear knee wraps first off, it allows for worse form, you get away with worse form, to the pressure on the patella. You could cause issues, because the patella has to slide on the femur as you're squatting

and moving and you could increase the chance of things like contrabilation, right? Where the hormone underneath the patella. In terms of muscle development too, because yet to that point of being able to then lift a bit more, then you can actually physically stabilize. So it's like if you're doing just everyday functional movements and now you have all this like excess of strength that is, you could fire on command, like let's say you just like

do some crazy like fast movement, fast switch movement and you don't have all this ability to coincide with that. That's where we're vulnerable. Yeah. Neesleaves don't make that big of a difference, but they do can feel good. Knee wraps, I don't know if you guys ever use knee wraps before.

I've done both, but the question is, you're not gonna lose muscle. You're not gonna lose muscle from. If you wear knee wraps or something all the time, maybe, but not while you're working out. No, no, you're not gonna lose. You're not gonna lose. Messes up your recruitment pattern.

Yeah, there isn't, like, I mean, I went through a kick, right, and I think I made a joke. You did the sleeves of the wraps. Both, I've done both. Yeah, no, I went through a kick right and I think I made it just leaves of the wrap both I've done both. Yeah, no I went on kicks of trying both the the wraps. I feel the the coil effect Oh, yeah, right because it's so tight and when it lay and you to come all that 20 pounds on my squat with it Yeah, so there's definitely a recoil fact that you get from from the last elastic energy Yeah, and then the knee wraps are like I said You just feel like the compression pants you just feel like the compression pads.

You just feel a little, but I mean, again, it's not, I'm not competing in powerlifting. The only time when I went through a kick like that is when I was really trying to see how high I could get my squad up to. And so that was like the real purpose of even utilizing them. I would, you wouldn't catch me using them right now

at all, there's no point. Yeah, it's, I guess it's mostly just the feel thing, but the question you're always gonna ask yourself is, do I need this, or is it just something I enjoy? Because if it becomes something you need, do you probably wanna address stability, or address why you need something external to allow you to be able to work out in a particular way?

Like, why you would need to rub cold cream on your joints or why you would need to wear elbow sleeves or knee sleeves. There's something there that should probably be addressed. Because in my experience, people are like, oh, my knees hurt, oh, knee sleeves help. Let me put knee sleeves on. Over time, the knee pain gets worse and worse. And then the knee sleeves no longer help.

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