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Episode Date: February 18, 2023

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are another endocrine system. In other words, they produce chemicals that affect the body like hormones. In fact, one of these compounds called myocins are being referred to as hope molecules. Why? Because every time you work a muscle, you contract it. It produces this compound and this particular compound has antidepressant effects, and you know modular effects, helps heal the body, essentially makes you healthier, it makes you feel good.

So your muscles actually produce compounds when you work them that affect the entire body that improve the health of the entire body. It's kind of cool, right? Yeah, so I think you said that in a really complex way. I think there was like a simpler's kind of cool, right? Yeah, sir, I think you said that in a really complex way. I think there was like a simpler way to say that, right? Well, I mean, your muscles scored out something that is good for you.

Yeah, that's like, yeah. I mean, that's maybe somewhere in between. Maybe somewhere in the middle there, like when you work out the body, the body releases feel good hormones. Muscles, okay. Muscles in particular. Muscles in particular.

Release a feel-good hormone that could help fight or potentially prevent depression, right? All of it. Depression, inflammation, cancer. So it's interesting is I think what people think of the health effects of building muscle, they think of the muscle itself, so just healthier muscle. And then maybe some of the side effects of that. But this is an actual compound that the muscle releases that affects the entire body. So like one workout, you produce this. As muscles become more fit,

they produce more of this particular compound. And yeah, it's got anti-depressant effects. You know, it's funny though, that you brought this up the other day of like, you know, did we really need to study for this? I know. I mean, has anyone ever been not in the mood to lift and just feeling lethargic and down,

just days like that, and then you force yourself to go train and what happens 100% of the time? You feel better. You feel better. Yeah. Even if it's not like amazing, you feel better. You feel still feel better than what you did going into that. We've been promoting this forever.

It's just like, I think there's just new angles of focus where you could like kind of point out that this phenomenon happens and these myocons are contribute towards this anti-depressive kind of quality. So it's like, I just feel like you need more data points to convince people sometimes. Now do it. There's the, this thing feel like you need more data points to convince people sometimes. Now do it. There's the this thing works and we know it works.

So we know for a fact, right, that exercise has potent, short-term and long-term anti-depressant effects and pro-health effects and anti-poor health effects. The antidepressant effects, by the way, of exercise are remarkable. I mean, there's no antidepressant that compares to exercise in the sense that there's no down regulation receptors, there's no like, oh, it's not working anymore.

It actually gets better over time. And then the improved health contributes to that. So they know it works. This is just helping them identify what is happening that's making it work because yeah, and I'm sure down line down downstream, they're going to figure out how to make a synthetic form of this myocons. They could take a pill and then you know, so you have heard about these before I've never heard it presented in this fashion. I know there's like a viral viral video going right now where this lady

talks about that being the hope molecule And like it's always interesting to see how these things get sort of like rebranded and sort of presented in different way Yeah, you know the biggest takeaway that I have From this is something that it took me a long time to get to this point in my lifting career Which was being okay with telling myself that even though I'm not in the mood, I don't wanna train, I just, I don't feel like I got it to push myself, is convincing myself to get in there

and do one exercise at least. Because just by contracting those muscles and starting that process, you release those chemicals that start to produce you and make you into and make you feel in a better mood. And that many times is enough to get me to finish a really good workout. And for the longest time, I always had this all or nothing mentality. When I ever I approached both diet and exercise and the idea was, man, if I can't get after the workout, what am I going to waste my time going in there and do three sets of something?

That's stupid. That's a huge myth. The myth that an easy or short workout has no benefit. That's a waste of time. Huge myth. It has benefit. Easy workout has a lot of benefits. In fact, sometimes an easy workout has more benefit

for you than a hard workout to ping on the context of kind of what's going on. Like an easy workout could be pro recovery, right? It could help facilitate recovery. It could boost your mood, whereas a hard workout might not do that, might make you feel worse depending on the stress that you have and how energy levels. Raise energy levels, improves creativity. Here's a big one like, you know, for a long time, in being intellectual or intellectual prowess

was separated from physical prowess, right? It's like you were either athletic or you were smart and there was no crossover. That's such a massive terrible myth. Let's say you're a writer or an engineer and you need to do something creative or think outside of the box. Movement, oftentimes stimulates that creative process,

that thought process. By the way, writers have known this for a long time. One of the number one, I guess, cures or remedies for writers block. For writers block. Go for a walk. Go for a walk or whatever. We talked about that forever.

I mean, and then they'll get into like mind altering substances and things just to kind of get them to think differently, but it was always like, get outside, you know, being nature go for a walk and that would stimulate new thought process completely. Yeah, it's funny. It's funny too, because it's like, if I'm in a like bad space or a bad mood

or I'm feeling really negative about something, I always tell myself, let's see how I feel after I do some exercise, if I feel the same way. And I almost always feel different. Now, I wouldn't say I feel radically different. It's like something bad happens. Then after my work, I'm like, that's actually a great thing. But the way I view it or how I feel about it is, I guess, for lack of a bit of a true

more positive. Either I feel more empowered or I feel like there's more options or I feel like there's more meaning. And it's always after a workout. And then for creativity and inspiration, I mean, some of the best ideas I've ever had have come in the middle of a workout or right afterwards. Always. It's almost always. I don't know about you guys. You guys ever noticed that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it definitely stimulates a lot of creative ideas. And usually when I'm either I'm doing a light workout or I'm doing something out of the ordinary. So I'm like rotating. I'm doing some kind of functional movement or I'm outside and kind of in nature in a combo of the both, very stimulating for creativity.

Yeah, yeah. It's one of those things for me. It's for me, it's definitely, and you know what, I think you notice this the longer you work out, because when you look at like poles of people who exercise consistently and who've been doing so for let's like a decade, for example, people who've been doing it for a long, long time,

whenever they do poles and they ask them, what are the, the top five reasons why you do this? Appearance is not the top. It's not one or two. Sometimes it's three, but it's usually not one or two. It's always mental health and well-being and like health. So like the, the way it makes you feel as you do this for a long period of time, you start to realize so much more value in that than the looking or particular way.

Because that's where the value is. That's usually what gets everybody in. You know, and the beginner sort of keep that mindset until he realized that this is, this is, you're embarking on a whole lifestyle change. So it's like you got to kind of enjoy other elements of it and get motivated in a different way. So I have something that I want to talk about that's a little off our typical subject. So bear with me. So this last weekend you guys all came over for the Super Bowl. Yeah. And there has been, and this has been kind of like Circulating a lot in this this past season more than I'd ever seen in the past And I it may be dug in fact check because I'm not sure how how how true this is or not, but supposedly

the NFL is Classified as an entertainment business Therefore they can script how things are gonna play out and not be held accountable to some of the betting and stuff like that. That's what's on it. So, yeah, so my understanding, and again, we got a fact checked, but in a court ruling, they're classified as a entertainment business now. So, yeah, so all of my friends that had those conspiracies on some of the games that felt like the refs were way too involved

and certain teams were kind of pushed through and certain plays were a little suspect. Like, I've had friends that have been kind of pointing things out like that along the way. And I'm like, I don't know, man, it's, you know, yes, the ref will be a factor. Like that, but that's kind of considered like the field, right? Like you can't really control on that.

But at the same time, you do see in the critical moments of the game, how, you know, drastically that changes. Well, there's, there's a lot of odd things that have, so if you, and definitely if you listen to this and you, and you gamble, you, you're, you're like, you're going to be like, yeah, uh-huh, yeah. Like when you bet on the games, Vegas has a line already, right? That they have determined before the game starts.

So just like last night's game, okay, ironically, it was one and a half points, you know, and it came down to the very last second and, you know, they ended up winning by what three, right, is what the final score was. So they tend to be really close. And there's moments that happen all the time throughout the season when, and if you understand the game, whether that's football, basketball, this goes across all sports,

there's like certain behaviors that you just know are supposed to happen. And like, okay, they have, the game is already won. They're well ahead. They're probably going to kneel it out and run the clock out. And then all sudden they choose to kick the field goal. But then when you find out, if you were following the spread, it changed the spread. And it was those three points was enough to cover the spread, right? And it's like, whoa, nine times at a 10, that team would just kneel out, but then we'll have to take the risk.

Yeah, why would they even do that? It makes no sense. And so you see, and so if you're a big sports fan and you watch, and you also gamble, you see a lot of this because you're always paying attention to the line. Because they know what the line is. It's all public.

And now you see how like online betting and all that like has really taken over and is acceptable now with sports gambling. There's the Raiders in Vegas. There's a lot more intermingling of sports betting. It looks like. What's the same Doug? Well, I mean, there's a lot of debate here about this.

Now this one person says, this is not WWE in order for the outcome to be fixed. They'd have to rehearse too many variables for it to be fixed. Referees can influence the outcome of the game, but there's no way the game could be scripted or fixed. It is classified as sports entertainment, but legally, they can't fix games due to many reasons. Mainly, the gambling association associations tied to the game. So, I mean,

well look, here's how I, so they, okay, so they don't need to fix the game. That's right. All you need to do is influence the referees a little bit. Yeah, they prove this with soccer. Right, remember that whole deal with the, so this is some of a protective measure it feels like for them in case they get sued

because the referee or whatever, that's like for them in case they get sued because the the referee or whatever that's enough for them to go like this. Yeah. Well, you know, we say you're not supposed to and we have rules and effective. All you have to have is like probable deniability. So that call could have gone anywhere. Oh, yeah, that was one bad call. Yeah.

But how many times is a bad call totally changed the direction? So now what I think is an even more fun discussion, okay, is if it was, and there was some of this like scripting going on or there was definitely rafts that were mingling in this and influencing games and that was happening and that came public. Would you see a decline in football attendance and a viewership? Would it go down? No. You say no at all. No, remember what they had?

Remember in soccer, there was a huge scandal when they actually came out that the referees were being heavily influenced. Yeah, but that was a little bit different because that was like, mafia was influencing, you know, in getting involved That isn't like the refs and the NFL or arc, you know, all they would have to do is say inspiring together All they would have to do is like, you know fire some people. It's not gonna happen again and then I mean I feel only way

It would be if there was another league that was just as popular, which is like good luck Yeah, the NFL is pretty much that standard, so you can't even. And there's such a little bit in generational legacy with the NFL. Yeah. You know what, you know what, harder would be for people to give that up? Do you agree, Doug?

What do you think? You think it would turn you off? Like, well, I think if they didn't correct it, it would turn me off for sure. So if you're so vested as a fan in the sport, in your team, and then you find out later that it was all a big fraud, I'd be really pissed off as a fan.

Now, if I believed that they were gonna fix it, there was a problem, they didn't know about it, they went and fixed it, that I would have to do. I would have to go back, I would go back probably. Okay, so let's pretend they didn't fix it. I think that's a fun, you'd lose me as a fan. So, and I would still, they said, yeah, it's happening, but we're not gonna do anything about it.

Oh, well, that would be suicide, I think. Okay, so this said, yeah, it's happening, but we're not going to do anything about. Yeah. Oh, well, that would be murder. That would be suicide. Okay. So this is, okay, that's it. Cause I that's what Doug, I think, was implying originally was that, you know, if it was, if it was openly known, like the WWE is the example right, WF, or what it used to be, WF, you know, came out in the late 80s, early 90s, it got a lot of, you know, heat for being fake. When there was a huge population that knew it was already, but then there's a lot of people that believed it to be true. When we were in the game, it all came out. Now, you know, here's my argument.

I think that even if you knew that it was being influenced and somewhat fixed, you still watch it. You say, and it doesn't lose a fanbase. One, the negative news grabs so much attention that you obtain new fans, just like I'm sure WWE did. And the reason why people still pay attention is because even though it's fixed just like WWE is,

okay, that you know there's a script, you don't know what this script is, so you still watch. And here's the thing. So maybe you don't bet on it anymore because you don't want to get screwed. If they are fixing fixed in scripting, they imagine how much more ridiculous they would make it. Thank you.

Because in a team in value, they're gonna really lean into that. And so now you're gonna get all these characters. So running down from the stands. And like, yeah. Look who it is, Joe Montana. He's the one. I mean, it doesn't have to get that crazy, right?

So look up Kanye West says NFL is scripted. So this was just on a recent podcast. This went viral too. This is actually what I thought just. He's pretty balanced, though. Yeah, no, first of all, I'm not using him as a reference. I'm not using him as a reference to prove my point. I just wanted to highlight this conversation is happening all over the place and there's a lot of speculation around

whether this is something that's happening or not. I don't think it's, so I would speculate that because there's so many players, so much stuff that's going, I don't think it's scripted, but I think it's an, I would imagine all you have to do is in key games, maybe not all of them, in key games, influence the refs enough to where if it's close, they can make a difference. Listen, I know what I would say.

The reason why you know it's not scripted, okay, is because by now there's already been hundreds of NFL players that have played, there's been plenty of NFL players that are sour, they didn't get to play. So that that would come forward and rad out the NFL. So you know, it's not fixed like a WWE is fixed. But the, the, the thought that maybe there is a, you know, whether it be ownership or, you know, people of power and influence influencing refs that, hey, here's the deal, tonight's game,

the line is one and a half points. If there's an opportunity, when the Eagles are coming down to tie the game or come over, if there is an opportunity like that, here's $50,000 to make sure that that's a very difficult drive for them. Let me ask you this, dude. Have you ever played in a game

where 100% the refs completely took over the game? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I've played in a few of those. Yeah.

And it's really frustrating. But that's the thing. It's like influence is one way to say it. But really, there are so many variables and options that they could call at any moment. And like you could just march a team completely back all the way to like the one yard line on the other side. Just by, you know, being a real tiki tack about like the way that he had, you know, held somebody for just like a second or, you know, somebody had, whatever like stepped off side

just a little bit. So that's the debate around this, right? Is that, are the, the house people or no calls? And you know, this is football, okay. And football, there is. They're and you know this is a football. Okay, in football there is don't they have instant replay they have anymore. Yeah, they do. Yeah, but they're okay. So in football there are so many players interacting on the field at once that there is always a penalty that could be called right. You can make the case. Yeah, there is always that's a really good. There is always a guy who's holding for a few seconds longer

or you know sticks his leg out kind of trips a guy or bumps a dude a little more than I mean that there is there's so much going on there is a opportunity and that's why I think it can be influenced and in basketball I think it's just as easy too because basketball such a momentum sport of back and forth and you just interrupt the momentum you see a team if if you're influencing that game, a team is getting ready to go on a run. I mean, you will. Somebody's hot.

This is in the zone and train everything. You just cut their legs around. Oh, yeah. By calling a couple of tiki tack fals and it's, you know, they got to come out because they got three thousand early. I'll say this. So, so I think this is a silly argument, but here's why. Not because I think it's dumb, but because it's human nature.

Whenever you have a lot of money, or a lot of potential power, and there are people, it's almost always gonna be corrupt. And there are people that can influence the direction of that power or that money, you're going to have corruption. You're just, it's human,

you know, in the name and industry. Yeah, no, you're not. You know, you the name and industry. No, it has, you know. You're, hey, imagine all, people are, just name one. Levi's sports alone, like politics are corrupt, business is corrupt, corrupt, corrupt, don't touch my skirts. Nothing is pure.

You don't have, unless we had like angels, like that, like actual angels running, like being his referees, it's not gonna make me be unfortunate. How unfortunate is sad that is to think that, you know. It's just human nature, you have to accept it. This is why, okay, it's like government. There's like degrees of it.

It's like government regulation of industry. That people like, we need more regulation. You do realize the more regulation we put, and I think some regulation is necessary, but the more you put, the more, how are you using a perfect analogy for how it's how it is played in business like literally regulations or refs. Yep. That is the refs influencing the game in the game of life. That's always been argument. Yeah. Imagine this. Imagine if you had you had 10 NFL teams. Okay. And other

teams were being developed and they're like like, we wanna get into the NFL. But the current 10 NFL teams are like, well, we'll create the standards that you have to meet in order to come into NFL. What kind of standards do you think you're gonna create? Impossible to meet barriers. This is how regulations are created in industry. Regulations are created by the current big dogs,

and they make it so that it's impossible for new competitors to come in, otherwise they got to compete with more people Big business loves So the purist way to purist way to play this game then is like good old street ball call your own fouls And then when you get into fighting argument you just fucking do it out So Paul never lies That's my rule. That's the way to keep this shit here. Get rid of the refs.

Let them go. You call your own foul. You get foul. You disagree. You guys get into it. Let the viewers vote. All right. Here's the foul.

Okay. So, yes or no, based off of that. I'm like right now I'm like, rack of my brain around all the sports. So, there are some sports though that are are probably much more difficult to influence a basketball and football for sure easy. Yeah, but like hockey a little less tennis, even more or less golf like how are how are outside forces influencing that that's I'm not saying that there's not the more rules the more rules or players and that what I'm playing players and

more points. Yeah, so more rules more players more points the more's what they did. Yeah, some more rules, more players, more points, the more ways you can manipulate. Yeah, yeah. Less rules. So like a street fight, no rules. Well, whoever wins wins, that's it, right? But now you put them in the cage and there's some rules, now you have some ways to influence. No, stop right there, illegal hit, you're holding them too long, whatever. The more rules, this is business as well. This is why market regulations tend to be some of the best regulations, because who determines

that the consumer? You do a bad job. I don't buy your stuff. You do a good job, but buy your stuff. That's that. Now, I'm not saying we should have no regular. I think there should be some, but that's just what ends up happening. The more the refs can influence the game, the more the refs become a part of the game.

So people are always like, how do we get money out of politics? You know, presidential elections will cost like billions of dollars. It's like billions of dollars to get one guy or the other person to win. And you want to know how you would, you know, how you get a rid of, of that money immediately. If you got government out of all markets, there'd be no, there'd be no incentive to give them any money because they have no, yeah, but going back to my wrap. You have to have some. Yeah, exactly.

Somebody would make the argument as like, come on, that's as ridiculous as I'm just making it play sports with our rafts. And you're going to have people cheating all over the place. And it's like somebody. Maybe we'll have AI. I mean, that honestly, that is the, well, that's probably where we're going. I mean, 100%. And then what it'll do is it'll show the foul.

And then it'll play with going on. Already, look how fast you can watch the game live, how quickly us as viewers get to see that play replayed in slow motion. And all you have to do is put the parameters, plug it in to the AI and then AI makes you call in judgment. And then it's non-biased because it's AI. I'm gonna find the turd and the punchball already.

Oh, now AI can actually manipulate the video just enough and you'd never know. It's a deep fake. I mean, dude. Have you heard about these celebrities that these influencers that are freaking out because people are sending them porn with them in it? Yes, it's like CGI their face.

And they're like crying and traumatized and it looks just like that I saw these was it fans only accounts that are like they look like real girls like the real people But they're not they're just completely made. Oh, that's what I wanted and they speak and they can only fans page It's not even a real. They're not even real. What do you mean? Let's make you think we're that was your idea The first person thinking that that shit's happening bro. Yeah, that's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah, it's like, and people are getting totally bamboozled by these like girls.

What a brilliant idea. And nobody's gonna care. Some dude on the other end, just like, oh, I'm sure that Jordan Peterson will clip today and like talking about that, like where the pornography is going with AI. And he's like,

they're not gonna care. They're not gonna care. No. Got men are so superficial with looks, as long as it looks, if it, looks. If it passes the look test. Yeah, but you know what's funny about that? They say it's men, you know what? They're the same thing to women.

It's just gonna communicate a little bit differently. It's like in a whole different way. No, it's not gonna be, it won't be looks. It'd be like the way it communicates to them. It'd be like words of affirmation. Oh, you're so gorgeous. He understands me. He understands me.

I'm here. He feels me. Yeah, you know what I mean? He really knows what I'm saying. He understands me. He validates. He understands me. I'm here. He feels me. Yeah. You know what I mean? He really knows what I'm saying. He understands me. He validates everything and say,

you are fucked. We're gonna be out competing. Everybody. No, you said something that sounded ridiculous a while back that I think is pretty spot on. I think that things will be labeled organic, right? Like you think? I think that, and there'll be a market for both, right?

Just like there is right now where a A lot of people still say fuck that organic stuff and they shop all the regular stuff still and save the extra money Then there'll be some people that are like hey, I'm willing to pay a little more For the people that I know are real that I'm talking to another you ever try to hey you ever try to grow your own vegetables Or your own like like fruit and you look at it like this doesn't look like the stuff of the grocery store. Right. Why is it carrying a trip on this for a second? Now, will this actually,

this could be like, here's the positive spin on AI, is will this now make us appreciate the flaws in each other more? Like right now, what do people do online? Smash others for typos or making heirs or like putting people down? No, because I think it'll engineer the flaws. I think it'll figure out, it'll figure out just enough

of the flaws that you need to believe it's real or to like it. Well, you heard that in what video was that, like I was talking, he had AI for one of his voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it give the ums and the pauses. Yeah, he did, yeah, he did like some imperfections that were added like specifically to kind of fool you that way.

And they're already thinking of that stuff. It's great. We're gonna have to make, it's gonna be funny because the front end is gonna try and regulate it. Good luck. There are, you're gonna see workers and people, lobby government, to ban AI, whatever for their field.

And they may get lost past because they have a lot of voting power, but it's now it's there. Okay. Good luck. So we're going to talk about the monkey in the room or what? What? We want to see elephant in the room, but we're about to tell me about the monkey in the room or what? What was the elephant in the room? But what about the monkey though? Monkey's bare in elephant.

That's the monkey's more than you. It's a 500 pound gorilla. There you go. There you go. An allergies. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, we're gonna talk about the elephant gorilla.

The hybrid elephant gorilla. We can talk about the elephant. You have a bug in the gorilla over there. What's going on here? Hey, Serenette. Hey, let's talk about, hey, let's talk about the UFO. Yeah, it's about it. Justin's been itching. Come there. What's going on here? Hey, Serenette. Hey, let's talk about A, let's talk about the UFOs. Yeah, let's talk about it. Justin's been itching.

Come on. All right, you ready? You ready? You ready to turn it? You ready to punch balls? No, wait, relax. All right, go ahead. Let me hear you.

Hold on a second. There's been four of the facts first. The facts first. The facts first. Yeah. There's been four like confirmed reported, I think up to four now, maybe five. Over Canada, over Michigan, the one that got shot down.

There's one in China now. Are you including the balloon in that one? Huh? Are you including the balloon? No, no. Like, you're on or oh. Yeah, like, these are actual, like, it was a cylindrical object. We, you know, fighters intercepted it like countries. Yeah, they got shot now. Yeah, and places are all simultaneously reporting.

And their militaries are saying, we don't know, they're the military is saying this. we don't know they're the military is saying this we don't know what it is they're will Smith to move you about this case you guys are one guy yeah this is one good movie yeah okay all right here's the turd the punchball it's all bullshit okay here's it it's all bullshit but to why do you think that's a turd hey you even asked how we say that the whole time come on what do we mean you you guys you think that's a turn. I mean, you even asked how we say in that the whole time. Come on. What do you mean?

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But this is all escalating, I guess, is what I'm trying to get to. Yes. Because the original wasn't enough. Yeah, because, like, dude. Okay, so 1994. Oh, well, you got dates. You're searching.

Now, this is win. Yeah, this is win this whole, like, project blue beam and this whole, you know, project blue beam is, his piercy came out this is win. Yeah, this is win this whole like project blue beam and this whole project blue beam. Of course, I don't. His piracy came out. Tell me. You don't? Of course, I don't.

I don't subscribe to the same conspiracy magazines that you guys do. Yeah. Hey, right now conspiracy theorists are like 86 and zero. I know. I know. We're running out of them. So tell me project blue beam. So it's this government.

It like NASA and so they all are all working together to basically create this like simulated alien invasion, right, with like lasers in the sky, so creating holograms, so you could actually like create UFO-looking objects like in the sky. And they were speculating that this was a way that they could like kind of simulate an invasion and then gain control of the populations. So the guy that came up with this, his name was Serge Monast.

And he was a writer and investigated journalists from Quebec and he published a manifesto explaining the theory that he called Blooming. And he said it's a four-step project. I have it all saved here. Oh, also, so Star Trek had a script that they pitched out for this movie. And then in Hollywood actually rejected the movie. And it was literally like this exact script.

And they actually wrote a book about it later, but it was like, how they brought these religious leaders first to kind of bring down and kind of persuade everybody to subscribe to this new religion as the aliens were invading. So check this out. So the four-step project was designed by NASA and the United Nations, which would allow these organizations to accomplish what he believed to be their ultimate goal of creating a new age religion led by the Antichrist in order to start a new world-ordered dictatorship. So that so Project blue beam was a system of advanced mind control as well as top secret technology

To trick everyone into believing there's been a second coming Part of it would be to display Religious leaders all over the world select Buddha Jesus, Jesus, whatever. And also to show a UFO or alien invasion, essentially getting people to organize a new world, order, type of deal. So distract and divide for as many years as possible to then make it, you know, this ultimate way of unifying everybody under some new religion. Now, here's what's crazy. This is 1994.

There's other elements of this. Like he said, for example, that part of it would be to get rid of cash and to use digital currencies, which is kind of interesting. That was in 1994, yeah. Yeah, why? Yeah, dude.

And then he died mysteriously, by the way. Now his family says he disappeared, but it was reported that he had a heart attack. But anyway, kind, dude. And then he died mysteriously, by the way. Now his family says he disappeared, but it was reported that he had a heart attack. But anyway, kind of weird. So here's, I don't know if I believe in this, but I do think it's interesting that why would our military be like, yeah, was UFO everybody in that weird?

I feel like they wouldn't say that. Like we keep playing into it. Exactly. Yeah, that's what got my bells and whistles off. Well, that's why I even felt like the whole, you know, China balloon, you know, like, like, what would the dumbest thing I've ever heard? Like why why why why why are we all excited about a balloon? Yeah, and why announcing it like that? And then also delaying the taking it down. I mean, it just created. You know what I would be really interesting is I wonder how much like then they they shoot it with a missile. Was there like more Pfizer reports? We missed the time. I think they shoot the balloon with a missile.

No, you know what, you know what I feel like, all I do is like shoot it through a rocket or something. Yeah, they shoot it without Trump with COVID starting to drift away as far as the new cycle. I feel like we haven't had any. No boogie man. That's right, there's nothing there. And so it's kind of yesterday's news.

Yeah, so I feel like it's like, I wish I knew how much, like, okay, when a when a when a Trump comes in or when when COVID hits, like how much money does do all the networks make for getting eyeballs on you? Like, it would be really interesting to see what like, you know, like, let's say like a normal year of news, let's just say of like your typical stuff

and then like pandemic level, Trump crazy level and like, and how much more eyeballs is that draw on, on like news networks and ad revenue and it'd be really interesting to see like how much money is to be had for revolves around that. Right. Because then you have to ask yourself, okay, if we're talking about hundreds of millions, maybe even billions of dollars, like, and to think that maybe the government

and news networks aren't involved in conspiring to create, just stories to create stories to stay paid. Here's the biggest counter. The biggest counter is like, oh, it would take too many people and too many countries and too many organizations to work together to do this. That's not true. That's not true.

You don't need to do this. That's not true. You need small groups from each place. And all you gotta do is plant something that you know is gonna go viral. That's right. Yeah. So, okay, so now here's the other side of it,

that UFO people say that. Who are the UFO people? Like the people that are like all about it, right? We have crazy hair. We have one in the room. No, so the UFO people say that. Just have one in the room. No, so the UFO people say that- Just look often in the room. And maybe some of them are like, hey, maybe we're getting close to actually destroying our

stomach. We're setting a couple of ships over there. Maybe with AI or with nukes who knows. And so now they're showing up and then pretty soon they're gonna step up and be like, hey guys, guess what? Game's over. Yeah, we're gonna get back to your cages. Yeah.

We're gonna do anything, but now we're gonna step in. Yeah, yeah. You guys are about to kill everything. Yeah, you don't stop cleaning your room. Ah, I don't know. It is crazy though. I was funny too, because I'll see these articles. Like, you have to follow this.

You have to follow that. You have to always shot down. And I'm like, Justin, I'm like instantly sending him to him. He's like, already seen it. Yeah, yeah, and my head is just like, oh, man. I can't take any more of this stuff. All right, let's take a left and get into business. So here's something that we accurately reported on and predicted.

And I remember at the time, we had friends of us that said, we're so wrong. You guys don't even know anything about this. In fact, we had the CEO of a company come on the show to discuss to us why we were so wrong. Turns out we might have been right, uh, tonal. Ah! Tonal with tonal.

Oh, God. Remember that? Oh, revenge is so sweet. No, so the season. So the season. The season. I don't know if you guys, I don't know if any of you had gone back and look at the, I actually did today because the article came out because I was like, oh, I forgot about

this. No, I didn't forget about it, but I forgot about the conversation that I had with my boy Brendan. And I went back and like reread the thread. I'm like, boy, he went in, he went ham on me, dude. So I was like, you know, normally I wouldn't be petty like this. I would let it slide and be like,

yeah, Chuck went up another one for Mind Pump, you know what I'm saying for predicting some shit, but I'm like, this motherfucker went hard on me. So I had to post in my story and tag them and be like, yeah, so what happened? They're gonna show their valuation. So they're good. They need money, okay?

They're bleeding. So they need money. They're gonna have to do another round. When they do this round, the evaluation's gonna come in at, you know, they're saying north of 500 million plus less than what it was. Wow. A year and a half, two years ago.

So the story goes, what happened? And on that, on the top of that, they're talking about letting go of the CEO. Okay, so here's what happened. This was during, was it during the pandemic? This happened? Yeah, it was, I mean, they were, they were around before. But that, they, and they were taking off already before,

but then the value, so they got this valuation that was a billion dollars. All of us. That was like two points. Or someone's over. It was like two billion. All of us in here thought that was insane and ridiculous. And they kept, and the argument was, oh, it's this new technology or whatever,

but we understand exercise. And we know, I don't care what your technology is, the bottleneck or the challenge is always gonna be, can you get people to stay consistent? Yeah, the adherence. That's it. I don't care how fancy it is.

I don't care how great it looks. If you can't get people to stick to it, which is a problem that we have been trying to figure out in the fitness space, whatever solved it. Then you're not going to, then this valuation is crap. And we said that. We said that on the show, I think twice. And the CEO of Tonal Hurtit came on the show to debate and discuss with us, talked about how sticky his members were.

All of us were like, we'll see about that. And it turns out that we were right. And sadly, I hate to say that. Yeah, no, of course, I don't think any of us were rooting for the collapse and then I think that we were just speculating on it. And of course, I ruffled some feathers because my buddy is a big investor, right? So he's closely tied to it. Nobody wants to hear like, hey, you know, ruffled some feathers because my buddy is a big investor, right?

So he's closely tied to it. Nobody wants to hear like, hey, you know, that money, you just gave that company like totally overvalued. You know, saying like, I get why he defended it, but I mean at the same time too, like, it was really clear to us what we were looking at. Now, if it smelled like every other fitness, if we wouldn't wouldn't if we wouldn't used it and been like, oh my God, this is new science, new breakthrough. This is gonna change everybody's life, different story.

But I mean, new equipment comes out every year, every month, a new piece of something comes out. At the same problem I was popping up. And it was funny because I still get people that DM me, and they're like, oh, I love my tonal. I'm not saying it's not cool to have. And if you're rich, and you can afford to drop. There's nothing wrong with the tonal.

Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, not if you know how to deadlift or squawks. Well, if you want legs. Yeah, no, no, what I mean is, what I mean is, it's okay, nothing wrong with in the sense for a workout, thing it's fine, there's nothing wrong with it. It's just the problem is not inventing new cool ways

to work out. The problem is how do we get people to create a lifelong relationship with exercise and new equipment will not do that. It's not an equipment problem. And here, look, I've run gyms that were new, I've run gyms that were old, I've run gyms that were, whatever, and the difference was always the team and the staff and the people that had nothing to do with equipment. that were new. I've run gyms that were old. I've run gyms that were whatever.

And the difference was always the team and the staff and the people that had nothing to do with equipment. I run old gyms without performing bigger, better gyms because it was all about how we made the members feel, how we could keep them to be consistent, how we could coach and train them. So unless you can create, and maybe this has happened, this is going to come soon, an incredible coach, which we were just talking about AI, maybe that'll happen, you'll have your fitness AI coach

that's like an expert in psychology and how to like really get you to really understand, you know, what works or whatever. Yeah, you're not gonna, you're not gonna figure it out. The stickiness is gonna be the same as it is with dumbbells, as it is with bands, as it is with, with whatever. So that's why tonal is now done. I think it's, I think it it's just a matter of time.

I mean, you have Meer who their competitor was. It was bought out by Lulu Lemon. Instantly cut their price. I think there's like $700 and something for it. So I mean, they've got it. They better hurry up. I mean, they're selling theirs at like $3,500 for the Tonal machine.

And then their membership monthly is between $30 and $50 a month. Like that is unbelievably expensive. And then you have these other competitors that are selling and they're very similar product. If you have a good relationship with exercise and your body, you need no equipment. You literally need no equipment and you'll be consistent. And you'll, and you don't want to be.

And that doesn't mean like these things are, I mean, we have, we have a tonal in the gym. Inside here, granted, it really gets used, but it's in there, right? And they gave it to us. Yeah, if you have, if you have disposable income where having a piece of $4,000 you know, dollar equipment on your wall that you could grab, I mean, we promote trigger sessions all the time, right? I mean, I would love to have a tonal mounted on the side of one of my walls, and I just go over there and grab it every once in a while

and do a little trigger session off it. And I think it's cool. It'd be really cool for that. And it takes up hardly any space. What are you gonna use bands? Yeah, and you could. A tonal looks cooler, right? It looks cooler, and you can do more stuff on it

than just a set of bands. And so, yeah, but I mean, for the average person, and to your point, the reason why we're obese is not because we have a lack of certain gym equipment or accessibility to certain gym stuff, like we can get in shape with no equipment whatsoever. So that's what we always knew. And it's like, this is, and the price point for that just didn't seem realistic. All right, staying on the kind of health and fitness front, I saw a post on Twitter the

other day and I'm realizing that the argument around ultra-process foods, because we know ultra-process foods, you know, not good for you, promote obesity, etc., etc., the argument now is starting to get twisted. And I think it's being twisted because the processed food market is probably trying to fight back. And so here's how it goes. It goes like this. Ultra processed foods can be very healthy.

Look at these foods over here. Look at the macros. Look at the proteins. Look at the fats. Look at the carbs. This is a very healthy ultra-processed food. And that completely misses the problem. The problem with ultra-processed foods isn't necessarily the fact that they're inherently

unhealthy, because it is true that some of them are healthier than others. That's not the problem. The problem is that ultra-process foods are engineered to make your overeat. That's it, that's it. And healthy food is unhealthy if you overeat it. So the fact that it can be healthy, that doesn't matter. It's the fact that most of the research and development

and money that goes into ultra-process foods goes into making them so desirable, so addictive that they overcome your ability to know when you're full or when you have satiety. And unless you're tracking every calorie or gram, you're not going to know if you go based off how you feel and the studies are clear on this. If you go based off of how you feel, you'll end up eating five to six hundred more calories a day. And that, that'll make you overweight, which is unhealthy. And it doesn't matter if it's healthy or not. Yeah, you got to increase that bottom line. I mean, if you're a business owner and you're in that space and you know that

consumers are definitely drawn towards the like very distinct features like it's either like a real sweet flavor a real crunch like a salty like something that's like you know an experience that they want to you know They want to get after like more of that and like it's it's almost a compulsion at that point That's the money desired outcome is like I want to feed that because then I'm going to move products. So it's just in their best interest to do that when we know that that affects us in terms of our own behavior of how we approach food. All of it goes into making the food irresistible.

Everything from the color to the taste, to the texture, to the residue it leaves on your fingers, the aftertaste. I mean, I can't even think of all the things that go into it. But if you look at a majority of ingredients in ultra-processed food, they're in there specifically to improve or increase palatability. And so they've become ultra-palatable, hyper-palatable. And so what happens is we have these natural governing systems because there's just like myth that humans are eating machines

and if you just put food in front of us, we'll eat until we're obese and sick. That's not true. We have signals that tell us when we're hungry. We have signals that tell us to stop eating. So technically, you could very well become obese on healthy food. On, should I say, excuse me, non well become obese on healthy food. On, on, should I say, excuse me, non processed whole natural food.

You can become obese on it. It's just way harder. It's way harder. You'll hit palate fatigue. You'll hit satiety much sooner. Ultra processed foods, you don't. And so this is what makes ultra processed foods. And that's what makes them unhealthy.

It's not the ingredients. It's not the ingredients, it's not the fact that there's more sugar or calories or whatever, it's just over-eat them. So you could have the exact same macro profile in the same calories. If your diet is ultra-process foods, you're gonna wanna eat more. If it's whole natural foods, you'll wanna eat less.

That's all, that's just the bottom line. So that's the argument, and that's the discussion we need to have. Because otherwise what happens is they twist it and they say ours is healthy, but ours is whatever. By the way, I'm not trying to demonize it all and say never, you know, never eat it, whatever. I'm just saying be aware because I think there's some value. I'm dealing with there as well.

There's value, you know, troprocess food. It's got long shelf life, it's convenient. Like you could travel with it, I get it. But don't let them make the wrong argument. That's an old technique that people will use to get your eyes off of the actual problem. And the problem is not that it's healthy versus unhealthy. The problem is it's super palatable. And if I eat a lot of it, I'll just overeat.

Do you guys have some like rules that you use for how you use or implement process foods. Because obviously everybody in here use it's processes. So we're sitting here telling people right. Whole foods, whole foods, whole foods. And that doesn't mean that I'll send some, somebody could take a picture of us, you know, eating some process thing out of a wrapper and you would catch us and red handed.

I think we don't do that. Everybody in here at one one point either in the day or for sure in the week, consume some sort of processed foods. So how do you reconcile that? You present, hey, this is the way to eat whole foods, yet you know you utilize processed foods. So how do you, what do you guys keep rules

or do you guys have like, oh, if I do this, then I'll allow this or oh, I pay attention if I do this, then I'll allow this. Or oh, I pay attention when I eat this, I only will do this. Like, how do you manage that and allow it to come in and out of your life? Yeah, it's not, I don't have any hard rules, but I would say the vast majority of my diet is whole natural foods. So the vast majority of my diet is like one ingredient type of foods with seasoning. So I almost always never have a meal

where it's ultra-process foods, especially not on a regular basis. That's just bottom line. Most people it's the opposite. Most people, if you look at the average, is about 70%. So if you look at all the food they consume, 70% is ultra-processed. I think if you flipped it and made it like 10 to 20% ultra

processed and 80%, 90% whole natural foods, I think that would solve so much for you. Oh, I think you just flipped it and did 70, 30, you be okay. Yeah, I think 70% of the foods and 30% because of course, you know, our pre-packaged oatmeal that all of us eat on a pretty regular basis. That's considered process. It is. The protein bar that just got...

Doug was eating just an hour ago. The beef jerky Justin was eating yesterday. I mean, there's caught up with that stuff. The snackiest stuff or like if I'm driving and then I get something with protein like a bar on my way. That's usually where it sneaks in, but it's sparing. Like as long as it's in that sort of sparing category and I pay attention to patterns more than anything of like what I'm doing constantly every day

because that's where it's like, okay, if this keeps coming up and I, it's sneaking its way in, I have to like address that and then make a different decision based off of that. You know, that's a little more leaning to whole foods, but the main majority of my meals are usually whole foods. I set it up that way and then that kind of just sneaks in every now and then. That's kind of my thing, right?

So I try and always make sure I get either three to five because that's kind of the range of how many meals I eat in a day, whole foods. Three to five of my meals are, you know, prepared by Katrina and I, or I've bought it from somewhere that it's a whole food, right? I'm steak rice, or like I was eating earlier, beans and steak and tortillas and stuff like that. I'll do things like that.

But if I'm on the go, or I'm like in a hurry, something like that, and I want to have a protein bar, or I want to use the oatmeal, or the beef jerky as a snack in between those whole meals, like it's not a big deal to me. But what I want to stay away from is like process meal followed by a process meal,

like to me that leads to a really tough time with appetite control. Oh, and that's the, and by the way, I know because I've done competitions where I've tried to measure something that it doesn't make that big of a difference in my pursuit of fat loss. So long as I'm perfect on making sure

that it's the same tracking. You're tracking, right. But what I've, the discipline to stay tighter on the diet is harder. Just because it doesn't, it actually does not suppress the appetite like whole foods do for me. When I eat processed food, like my body goes right through it, I'm hungry.

Starting reaching around for other items. Are you wanting more of it? And so that's the bad part of it. And I think that's the part that people have to accept or understand is like nobody is sitting on here trying to demonize processed foods, 100% all of us in here utilize them, but be aware of how your body breaks that down, uses it, and what it does to you when it comes to appetite control, which that is, that is a direct effect on your behaviors.

And we talk about behaviors all the time, being like the number one thing that is going to cause you to gain weight or lose weight. And so if you're constantly consuming these foods that impact your behaviors, then you're naïve to think that, oh, it's all equal. You know, yes, it is on a macro perspective in calories, but they're not all equal. I have a rule that if I am an eat a processed food meal, that it's protein heavy, that's the one thing that I'll do.

And I'll choose a protein heavy processed food because protein by itself is more satiety-inducing. That doesn't mean that the processed food isn't also still gonna make me hungrier, but if it's a majority of protein, if it's a high protein, like a beef turkey sticker. Yeah, you typically don't overeat that, right? Unless it's because of the protein content, you know,

type of deal. Speaking of whole natural foods and protein, we're mentioning butcher box today. I wanna ask you guys, what's the protein content, you know, type of deal. Speaking of whole natural foods and protein, we're mentioning butcher box today. I want to ask you guys, what's the most common? Because I have now switched my box, and a lot of it is the tritips. I ate a lot of tritips. Do you guys find yourself going super variety

or do you find yourself going like you're a tritip? Try to take a lot of beef chuck, like, you know, for burgers and all that. Yeah, I'll do that. Just because of the versatility of what we can make with it, but that's usually big in my box. I'm terrible. I'm like the same thing.

Which, what is it? Yeah, so I do, their ribs are, I think the best. You still do that all the time. Oh, they're, they're, they're, they're pork ribs. I, and I have actually tested all kinds of other places. It's a hair like it's pork, do the taste of it? Oh, and, and, and I don't know, they, they cook cook the best they fall off the bone or like so that's consistently in there We actually get our chicken from there too

So we do so that I would say the pork ribs the chicken and then we normally have a couple of fillets in there Are probably my standard box and then every once in a while will Katrina will try this she did something recent I don't remember what what she's trying do tons of try tips. Tons and tons of try tips. They're just so, they're, they're, they're, they cook real easy real well. Slice them up. They're good. Yeah, I have to ask her with the last time

that we've done a try tip from there. But I, I'm, I'm, I'm quite the creature of habit. Once I have like something that works, we're using all of that. Yeah, it's like, same here. Yeah, I, I have to like go in there and actively change. Speaking of appetite, a peptide is making huge waves right now. Oh, dude.

Some of gluteide. Yes. Blowing up everywhere. It's OK. So I was just while we were talking. I was trying to find the damn article. Somebody DMed it to me to ask me about it. And I'm like, oh my god, we already talk about this.

But the article had me rolling because it was promoting the, it's a new weight loss jab that is all that, right? And you read this to me, Oscar. Yeah, and then it says, this is known to be unbelievably or super effective when paired with calorie restriction and exercise. I was just saying. I was like, When you're actually doing all the right things,

you know what else works? Really well with that too? Water. Water paired with fucking calorie. Anything. Yeah, calorie restriction and exercise. And guess what, you're gonna get it shaped. So to be fair, okay, not to be fair,

some agglutide happens to be probably the only weight loss whatever that I've ever seen that actually seems to work. It actually seems to work. So in the data, they'll give people somaglutide and they lose 10 to 20% of their body weight without trying to do anything else without trying. Now, I think you're going to be a doctor would be irresponsible to not promote anything else, but it's seeing it causes weight loss by itself. Now, how does it do this?

I mean, you could go through all the complicated improves insulin sensitivity and glucose management and all that stuff. But one of the big reasons is it just makes you eat less. Okay. Appetite is reduced. Okay, so it's an appetite suppressant. Okay, so right now. It's not as stimulant.

It's not like taking something that makes you wired or anything like that. Okay, so because it's a peptide, explain to me what stops a Pfizer from patting their version of this, naming it whatever they want to call it, and it becoming... It's already owned by a company, I believe. I want to say, I think there's going to be pharmaceutical companies selling it. Yeah, these peptides get patented, right? I believe so. So we interviewed an expert on peptides.

That episode will be coming out at some point, but he explained the difference between peptides and drugs. Peptides are signaling mechanisms between cells that we've identified already. So they're natural signaling mechanisms, whereas drugs are created in order to force a cell to do what you want. So then be based off of that, I would think they're not that.

That's a good question, Adam. Maybe Doug, you can put up some agglutide and see if a pharmaceutical company selling it or what the deal is or what are they patenting? Right away, what I think is that, okay, here, something like this, door opens, and you leave it to a company like,

Pfizer that has an unbelievably marketing power, arguably the most powerful company as far as it's a marketing ability to reach more people. You rebrand it for whatever name you wanna call it because, and then, I don't know if you add something to it or change it a little bit to be yours and then patent it. Or it's included in, you know, something. And now you have got this, the most powerful weight

loss drug that we've seen and we now open the door. Well, here's what's interesting about some agglutide from what I'm reading is it's not as stimulant, so other appetite suppressants in the pad, remember a fen, fen, and that kind of stuff, it would be like taking a stimulant, right? So that's why a fedra would do that too. Some agglutide doesn't do that. It doesn't seem to wear off, so it always, it'll suppress your appetite. It also is muscle-sparing.

Here's what's really crazy. In the weight loss, it's fat loss. It's not muscle loss. So, it has some muscle-sparing effects. I don't think it's a miracle drug, but it's the closest to a fat burning, whatever you wanna call it, that I've ever treated. I've ever seen.

So you do the insulin sensitivity. And then the appetite suppression. So it has some muscle sparing effects through that, and then I think just through the fact that it makes people... You know, it's an even simpler way to know how effective it is. It's expensive. Yeah.

Oh yeah, I think it's like a thousand or 15 or muscle... I achieved, that's why like most people... Oh, that actually works for us. If most people could get their hands on real HGH, they would take it with, I mean most all of your super famous actors are all on Dr. Prescribe, HGH. It is literally like the youth hormones, it's a fountain of youth to get a hold of that, but it's ridiculously expensive. This is up there in expense, right?

Would you find out? So it is patented by Novo Nordisk. Oh, okay. And there's a number of different brand names. Can we exempt it? With Wagovie. I did already. Yeah.

You did? I did. I bought it a while ago. I bought some shares I think in Novo. Really? Yeah. Can you look at the ticker for us? You did not tell us.

Of course I did. I think it's just Novo. It tells everyone you made your money. No. That's it. Hey, by the way, you should have up you guys. What tells everyone you made your money. No, that's it. That's it. It's like you did with the whole thing. Hey, by the way, you should have hung it up, you guys. What was it, you got this?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the big one you cashed out on? That was before I knew you guys. Yeah, yeah. I thought that one. I think it's all. No, so, so, talk speaking of growth hormone, growth hormone releasing peptides

are gonna probably crush growth hormone. So instead of buying expensive growth hormone, you buy inexpensive growth hormone releasing peptides and rather than messing with your hormone system and potentially causing things like insulin resistance or whatever, your body just makes it more of its own. And there's a limit. You're not gonna make so much that you cause problems.

When I was talking to the guys at Transcend, I don't know how true this is or not, but they were making claims that using that could is like similar to taking, I think. Two I use? Yeah, I think he said two to four I use. I read that too. Oh, you read that too.

Yeah, so they do that. So when I've taken HGH several times, and there was definitely a time when I believe I had some water down, China shit, and then there was time when I believe I had some water down China shit and then it was time when I had like the pharmaceutical grade. And when I was taking the pharmaceutical grade, that's all I took was like four or five I use a day. And you could definitely feel like I don't think you'll get up to four. So when I'm looked at the studies is, but even when I'm saying though, was that like you, I felt four to five I use like, are you doing, you're

doing the growth hormone releasing peptide now aren't you? I have started it, but I got it. I know why you haven't started I gotta mix it. I gotta mix it. I just have a time. I mean, I was just like two days ago. Give me some days here I'm gonna bring it. I'll do it for you. Well, I got the I can do I mean, I do my own ACG and I've done all that stuff. So I just gotta do it like I got to get I started the dehexa I started the What was the other? Seamax, I started the Dehexa, I started the, what was the other? C-max, C-max.

C-max, and I started the, what is the other one that, they have me, oh, on DHEA. So I have DHEA, Dehexa, and then the C-max or the three of them. I have no idea what they're all for. So, so if you go, so we, there are partners. So if you go to mphormones.com, and then you can do a console with them

and talk to them about some of this stuff. And they have, they can work with all these different peptides. It's very interesting. It's very interesting when you look at the data on how they work, but yeah, growth hormone releasing peptides from what I've seen, when they show the rise in growth hormone, it's equivalent to like what I have to I use of growth hormone. So not bodybuilder doses by any means,

but enough to where you're gonna get like this youth effect. So if you're over, you know, 35, 40, after three, four, five months, you should notice a difference in things like your skin, hair. You should caution people though, it's not cheap. Like there's, I don't think I've seen one. Some are more expensive than others.

I know some agglutides expensive. Very expensive. I think some of the growth hormone releasing peptides are a lot less. But I mean, look, here's a deal. It's still not. It's still not. Well, I know people that spend hundreds of dollars

on bullshit supplements that do nothing. So peptides, especially when you're monitored by a doctor, they work. So it's a different type of problem. I mean, the truth is, I mean, you pay for what you get and something like that. It's obviously expensive because it freaking really worse. It wouldn't be able to get away

with selling it for that expensive. It didn't work very well. It's obviously expensive because it frickin' really worse. It wouldn't be able to get away with selling it for that expensive. It didn't work very well. All it just doesn't happen. But, no, I'm curious, like I'm on day four, three or four of that, and then I'll start the, what's it called? The growth hormone releasing. Thank you. What's it called?

What's the actual? Testamarilin, I've been there. It's testamarilin, that's what it is. It's both, so they mix it up. So, okay, so testamarilin is what I'm taking now. Now, I've been Maryland mixed. It's Testimarilin, that's what it is. It's both. So they mix it up. Okay, so Testimarilin is what I'm taking now. Now I've taken Iwb, I've been a more important. Okay, so tell me what's the difference because I do.

So Testimarilin, Ipa-Marilin is the combo that they gave you. So it's both in one. Okay. Ibu-domorin is similar to Grelin, and that'll raise growth hormone through a different mechanism. I've tried all of them, right? So I've known the test of Maryland, I put Maryland right now and before I viewed a more and I viewed a more and made me hungry and it felt like a mass builder. Like I gain

size on it. I get crazy pumps, but it makes me hungry. So if you're trying to go on a cut, I don't I could not. There's no way I could do a cut on a bulk. It'll be awesome. On a bulk, I viewed a more and be amazing. And it makes, so what I thought I could not. I slept like a baby on it on a beautiful morning. Yes. Yes. The test of Maryland, Ipa Maryland, much milder is what I'm noticing, but I'm not getting the appetite boost at all. So which is, again, if you're trying to maintain your, does it matter when I take that at night or morning? You're supposed to take it at night to make growth hormone.

So similar to that. But I take it first thing in the morning because I work out fast, I don't eat anything for like three or four hours. So I take it first thing in the morning. And the reason why I do that is I notice it actually interrupts my sleep at night. So I have it.

So now I've heard that from people. Some people, that'll be the... Yeah, I was talking to my mother-in-law, she's taking it and she was saying that she knows it keeps her up a little bit. And so it's not that big of a deal between the but they recommend, just like HGH, they recommend it. So if you don't want to eat within a couple hours of it, because if you eat anything that releases insulin, then you'll blunt the effects and it's like taking nothing, because insulin

and growth hormone opposed insulin. Yeah, did that doctor say that when we were? That's right. Yeah, I'm excited for that. Do you know when you're going to release that yet? Do you have any idea on the dates? I don't, but it's going to be in the next couple weeks. Yeah, that was a really, that was, I wasn't to be honest, I wasn't excited about that episode, but I really enjoyed the conversation. It was super informative. Yeah, yeah.

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Anyway, go check this company out. Go to organify.com, that's ORGA and IFI.com forward slash Mind Pump, use the code Mind Pump for 20% off. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Dan from the UK. Dan, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for having me on. You got it. First of all, yeah, I'm a big fan of listening to your

podcast. There was a picks up sales resistance book and both have kind of really helped shaped my understanding of fitness and what I'm trying to achieve. So my main question is around, basically, I was recently listening to an episode where you guys were talking about four different types of strength training and I'm wondering, is it possible or even advisable to attempt to maximum strength training

five days a week, Monday to Friday, without causing aches and so on or kind of risk of injury? And just if you have any suggestions for someone who's trying to transition from moderate intensity resistance training to maximum. Yeah, it depends on the person and how their body feels. I mean, there's definitely people that can train five days a week for maximal strength,

but other people, it's just too much. You're really going to have to feel it out and see how it works. Most people, Dan, do best about three to four days a week. Five days a week tends to be too much of high intensity type of strength training. If somebody does go to the gym five days a week, you're usually looking at two of those days being more recovery mobility focused. So more along the lines of supporting the other hard three days. Does that make sense?

Got you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can you can train for it five days a week. You just you'd have to, you can't unulate your intensity. Yeah, you just got to manipulate the intensity. So the goal can be maximal strength. And I'm going to lift five days a week. And so the program as far as the rep range, the exercise choice, the mindset going into the workout looks very similar, but you just scale back the intensity

on at least two or three of those days. Otherwise, you're going to be just being doing so much damage your body's constantly trying to recover and never adapt. And again, this depends on the person, right? So because you may find a sweet spot for yourself, Dan, and then find that that at some point in your life becomes too much or that you can do more. So it's just, you know, the key with long-term success, with exercise in general, is to ask yourself why you're doing this.

Is this improving the context of my life, is this improving my life, the quality of my life in the context of my life right now? So that will help you adjust the intensity, the volume, the frequency up or down, based on how you're feeling. But let's get more details down. What are you doing in that five days a week right now

that's making you feel weird? What's your very specific goals and what are you trying to get out of this in terms of ramping up, you didn't know intensity that many days and rows, it mainly strengthens your webinars and endurance driven. Sure, I'll try to give you guys some more background. So I suppose my ultimate goal is body recomposition

and my understanding is to achieve that, is through building muscle, to try and improve my metabolism to lower my body fat percentage. And the reason I go five days a week is largely because I enjoy the mental benefits a lot, it's a really nice way to start my day and I do moderate intensity so that I can turn up every day and you know also avoid injury because that's something I'm really worried about. Just because in the past I had pushed myself a bit too hard and then hurt myself and then that would mean time off. So yeah that's the kind of place I'm at. Okay. Coming from. Okay and are you following a specific program? play-side match. Okay, coming from. Okay, and are you following a specific program? So,

after listening to the resistance training revolution book, I checked out the YouTube channel and built a playlist for myself out of those videos. So usually some priming and then a bunch of those strength exercises. And I'll mix it up day to day depending on how my body is feeling. Okay, Dan. But right now you're saying you're feeling more aches and pains and soreness than you feel you should. Yeah, so previously at moderate intensity it was fine. After listening to that episode it seemed to make sense to try and increase my maximal strength. So I wanted to give that a go, but after like two or three days I thought this is just too much for me and not sustainable. So I think what you were saying about maybe the days in between just lowering it, taking

it easy or focusing on mobility instead. Yeah, the other side of this is your diet as well. Are you hitting protein targets and are you tracking? Yeah, I'm cutting. If you're in a cut, this makes it even harder. Yeah, so I've only been tracking for a few weeks, so I'm still trying to get used to the numbers. I jit carbs and fat tend to be split and I try to weight it towards protein, so maybe

around 40%. Let me just try something. Are you hitting your body weight in protein? Um, so 190 grams at a moment. Induced. My body weight is 82 kilos, which I think is about 180 pounds. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, you're, that's, that's good. And sleep is good.

So here's what I'm going to do, Dan, because we do provide people with all of the information that they would need to design themselves a good program. That doesn't necessarily mean they'd be need to design themselves a good program, that doesn't necessarily mean they'd be able to design themselves a good program, though. So we're giving you a lot of the ingredients, there's a lot of explanations, but putting the pieces together, takes another kind of level of experience and expertise.

So what I'm gonna do, is I'm gonna send you one of our programs. I'm gonna send you MAPS and a BOLIC. And I think MAPS and a BOLIC is gonna be perfect for what you're trying to accomplish. You could go to the you Maps and a Ballac. And I think Maps and a Ballac is going to be perfect for what you're trying to accomplish. You could go to the gym three days a week in between those days, you'll do trigger sessions.

One of those trigger sessions can be at the gym, and then you could just do things like mobility. And I think that will probably give you exactly what you're looking for. Amazing, I really appreciate that, guys. Yeah, no problem. Thanks for calling in. No worries. Take care. You got it.

Yeah, I appreciate the thoughtful questions that way. And obviously thinking is way through this and kind of listening to his body. Because I know a lot of guys would just go through and be like, yeah, this hurts, but I'm just going to keep pushing. Yeah. So I'm glad, you'm glad we have someone like that on the show asking those types of questions, but a little bit of soreness is okay,

but you should feel good generally from your workouts. If you feel fatigued or excess soreness or achiness, that's not, what do they say, pain is weakness leaving the body or whatever. That doesn't mean you're moving in the right direction. You're doing too much somewhere. Whether it's too much volume, too much intensity,

too much frequency of workouts, or all three, you should feel generally good. You should feel generally recovered, and you should see incremental progress and things like strength and performance in the gym. What do you think the percentage of motivated lifters like this, someone who's doing his research, building this program, getting after it?

What do you think is the percentage of people that are more likely to over-apply intensity instead of under someone like him who's motivated person? Yeah, I would say higher. Yeah, so I'm saying, of course higher. When I'm saying, I think, when I think about, I would say a majority of my clients that I had, and if we had to divide them into categories of the really motivated, want to get after it, group, and then the group that was like, really challenged even get to the gym and

really doesn't like exercise. So if I were to divide them into main groups like that, the group that never really worked out, doesn't really like to work out, doesn't really want to work out, but knows they need to work out. I would say that a majority of those, I always had to encourage more intensity or increasing the way, or we got another rap we could do. So that's what I'd say about, like, in 80% I'd say more like that. And then the same is true in the other group, but in the direction of overapp applying intensity, right?

I'd say that the group that is like really, like they're excited, they're motivated, they're willing to dedicate five, six days in the gym, they're doing their own research on what they should be doing, building their purr. I would say that 80% or more of those people actually tend to over apply intensity. Yeah. Well, on the overachievers too, I used to try, like if they were like five, six days a week or they would just live in the gym, initially as a younger trainer, I'd try to like kind of scale that back and be like, you don't only show up like three days a week.

You don't really need to do all that much. But you know, later on, realize you just need to keep them busy. And two active recoveries, a big part of that whole process. So to have them just understand that you have to taper off that intensity and really like go through the movements, but, but approach it with a more restorative type of energy. And so to keep them busy, though, was crucial because they're so driven that they just need something to do everything. I actually had clients like that who would sneak in workouts and lie to you. I'm like, what are you doing?

But you know, it's probably most common for everybody is they do both. What I mean by that is they'll get these little spurts of like motivation, they just overdo it. And then long bouts of like underdoing it. It's very hard to find to get someone to understand the proper application, which is neither too much nor too little, and how to read those signals, how to read, how their bodies progressing, how they feel, and how to determine. And by the way, advanced experience training or trainers or people find this balance to be challenging as well. But, you know, it's even harder for someone without experience.

They tend to overdo it and then burn out or hurt themselves and then weigh underdo it type of deal. So, our next caller is Josh from Texas. Josh, what's happening, man? How can I help you? Awesome. So I'm a good to my question first, and then show my appreciation for y'all afterwards. So real quick and simple, the question is, how does one determine there's genetic limitations or gifts?

So kind of how is there any test? somebody can run on certain types of body parts like for me Personally, I like to believe I have small muscle groups So kind of like the traps the calves because I remember Adam used to say he used to work your calves every day You know because you were insecure about them right? So I kind of felt the same way because they were insecure about them, right? So I kind of felt the same way. So there was like a whole month where I was spending all my calves, you know,

whenever I was hitting upper body, hit calves, like I would always throw in calves, I would start off with my workout and I would do the same. And so I like to train boxing and kick boxing, right? So you're kind of using your arms a lot. So I like to, in my forms, I feel like boxers tend to have bigger calves, you know, from junk and rope all the time,

right? And then also smaller forms too and traps. So it just seems like my small muscle groups tend to not grow with. They get defined, but they don't tend to get that like that girth. So I don't know if it's a programming situation, my diet, or if it's just genetics. So, and if there is, if there are tips to work out these small muscle groups, like for my biceps, I feel like they're hard for me to grow because I got a short muscle head, right? I even try doing weighted reverse grip pull-ups

from my biceps. I've done seated calf races like jump ropes for like minutes on time, like 10 minutes at a time. So just kind of having trouble with these like small muscle groups if that makes sense. What's your, are you boxing right now? How often are you training and how much are you how much are you boxing stuff? Give me an idea So I my new job schedule I'm working four days six p.m. to six a.m. right? So a long shift don't get home So I'm make sure to get my sleep and my nutrition and so I ate pretty clean I ate like 90 10 I would say clean. I ate like 90, 10 I would say, you know, I like, it's how actually you got me to eating

like four to six, I don't eat like eight eggs in the morning, but I eat like four to six eggs pound a gram and beef a day, you know, that's like the staple. So, uh, tracking maybe 18 to 2000 calories, so that could be a possibility. But I'm only 5.7 about 150 pounds. So am I training? I usually start off hitting the bag for like 30 minutes. And then I'll have days or weekends. I'll do you know a few hours of training. Um kind of get what I can and then do like 45 minutes of what the thing is. Yeah, bro, you already answered your question for sure. The amount of activity, cardio, and training in relation to the amount of calories you're eating

is probably why you're having a hard time building. You're just, you're burning a ton, bro. You know, it's a lot of cardio, that's not a lot of calories and to expect those small muscle groups to really grow is gonna be tough. It's gonna be, it doesn't mean you can't and you won't over time,

but it's gonna be a much slower process than if you would actually dedicate a training cycle to bulking and building those muscle groups. Right now you're sending a competing signal with probably the high intensity cardio. You're eating lower calorie, you're training quite a bit. Like, yeah, it's a lot to ask your body to also build in an area that you already know

or kind of stubborn areas for you. So if you really, really want to build those small areas, calves, tri, you would want to dedicate a program or a cycle of a few months of bulking and training to build muscle-building primarily. At a thousand calories a day, your diet watch what happens, 500 to a thousand watch what happens. But look, I'll tell you this, here's the big question, right? The big question that you asked, because I'm going to narrow it all down and synthesize it to this, which is,

is my lack of progress due to my genetics, or is it due to my training, diet, and lifestyle? Here's why I don't think that question ever needs to be asked, because if it is genetics, there's nothing you can do about it. So why is that important? Because why focus or worry about what you can't control? It's not like you can change your genetics. So the question should never be, is it my genetics a question is,

well, what can I do or what do I have control over? That can potentially move me in the right direction. That's the real question. Genetics are there. You're born, you didn't choose your parents. So you've got those genes. So then look at your training, look at your diet, look at your sleep in your lifestyle, and what are things you can do? And right out the gates, number one, Adam hit the nail on the head, eat more calories.

Now, you might find it's hard for you to eat more calories because you might already find that you're kind of feeling like you're stuffing yourself now. If that's the case, ad liquid calories, that's a real easy way to do it. Shakes in between meals or a big shake before bed or something like that. But you add another 500, 700 calories a day consistently to your diet.

You'll put on some size. You'll gain a little bit of size, for sure, just from doing that. Yeah, I do check my protein. I do eat about 150 sometimes 160 grams of protein So I make sure to get my protein. I don't know if that helps me maintain my muscle that I have If you're hitting your protein targets, which is good, but your calories can still be too low. Yeah. Okay. So protein is important, but so are calories. You gotta have, you gotta have both, because if your calories are not enough to gain any type of size, you're just gonna burn what

you're consuming, even if your protein intake is high. Now, high protein intake is going to take your total calories or whatever you're eating and nudge it towards muscle. So in other words, if you eat 2000 calories, low protein, 2000 calories, high protein, if you compare the two, high protein is going to be more effective. But nonetheless, you're finding it's challenging to gain weight that just that and your protein intake is good. You just add more calories. And I mean, you can do it with more protein, fat, or carbs, or all three. At this point, I would say add,

if you find it difficult to eat more, like, let me ask you this, Josh, do you feel like you can eat more? Do you feel like you're already like kind of stuffing yourself? I definitely feel like I throw in a 500 calorie shake, for sure, just because my job I am quite a bit. So I'm not sure how much calories I'm burning, but I'm walking probably close to like 20,000

steps. Yeah, dude. That's why you have a lot of things. I really think it's a matter of your training right now. If you haven't really abruptly changed, the drastic change in terms of like there's two different types of muscle fibers that we're working with here. And to shift it over more towards fast twitch and to be able to really work on the strength

training block and building, like a building phase to develop these muscles that you're seeking. You're not going to see a whole lot of movement in that direction if it's distracted a lot by the endurance side of the training. So, if this is something you really desire, this outcome, to abruptly stop and shift that training completely in that direction is something to really consider. How important is it to you that you maintain your boxing and that you keep doing that. Is that something you really enjoy doing? Yeah, definitely what we have, we definitely have to have it in there. What my lifestyle I'm trying to build is around boxing

like my future goals and plans and aspirations, whatever you want. Oh really? So you have goals of boxing like maybe professionally at some point? Actually, not necessarily that I've competed before. It's been a while because you know, working all that. But I actually want to start coaching people in boxing, kind of like a structured around boxing, kind of give people to get them into exercises based around boxing, kickboxing, you know, martial arts in general.

How many days a week do you train in boxing, kickboxing? So I work four days, I don't know until about Saturday morning. So usually the weekend, Saturday night, Sundays and Mondays and Tuesday morning, Tuesday morning before I before back to work. So about four days, four days a week of what is like an hour, an hour worth of boxing type training. He said half hour. About an hour of waylifting in about 30 minutes or so of a hit bag and network or doing some

sparring. Oh, also on those four days, you're doing an hour of strength training and then 30 to 40 minutes It starts to work out with half hour of hitting the back you missed that part. Yeah, no, I got that I'm just trying to get even more probably now that I think about it truly like being honest like probably close to another hour Like because my work day is so like those 12-hour shifts. I just like kind of prepare for work Mill prep my food when I do have time for the gym, it's like dang. I just want to throw it all in there. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Lots of stars throughout the day. Yeah. I do. You know, so you're doing that four days a week. The other three days a week should be recovery based. So don't do any more working out.

Bump your calories and then you'll see yourself gain some size. That's it. I mean, there's a way to gradually get to your desired outcome. So to be able to incorporate the skills of boxing and not dismiss that or put that aside in terms, if that's like your priority, obviously, we're gonna need to incorporate that. So, but those other days where you're just exclusively

focused on strength training and building, you know, that's kind of where you need to go. Would you suggest a type of like an hour type of, you know, strength type of like five by five or, you know, like my weight list, is it heavy weight, little reps while I'm doing, you know, the, the boxing type of workout? I actually think that maps 15 would actually benefit him. I think that's any maps 15. Yeah. I think that's the idea. I think that's the idea. And because you might be doing too much strength training to be honest with him. Yeah, I would be in combo and everything.

It's tough to kind of parse that. I mean, yeah, the strength training exclusively, like that day should be just by itself. So yeah, in terms of the skill, we'd have to also be able to kind of taper down the intensity of when you're doing your endurance type training But yeah, like what they're trying to get through is like how can we how can we structure this in a way where your Bies not doing too much so like kind of reducing I guess the the time length and that's where maps 15 maps 20

I guess on our advanced blueprint with that would make sense in terms of like strength training and then the other days you're doing your skills. Yeah, if you're gonna train, if you're gonna do your boxing on the same day you're doing lifting, I would definitely like to see you do the boxing after you're lifting and I'd like to see you refuel between. So I'd love to see you do like a shake,

right after you're lifting routine, before you go into boxing for a little bit and I don't know how how much that you're going to like that as far as how it'll, but I mean, you, you, the amount of activity at least drinks and carbs. Yeah. I mean, I just think that the amount of activity that you're doing, we, we need to support it with some, totally, some more calories and, and, and if we can scale back intensely, like Justin's saying. So well, you're awesome. We'll send you a mass of 15. So we'll send you a math 15, so you'll have something else to look at and follow, okay? Awesome, thank you all so much.

You got it, man. Yeah, my appreciation last time real quick, as a young 20 year old kid, I really look up to y'all about, you know, just more than health and fitness, more kind of a good person. And my biggest goal honestly in life is to be the dad I've never had.

And y'all are like perfect role models for me. I take your advice to heart. And I just picture myself being a better dad to my future kids when I'm older. And y'all teach me like me not funny, investing too. Y'all just help me out a lot, just being great influences for a young, and you like me, so thank you so much.

Thank you Josh, that's a huge compliment. Thank you man. Give me a motion out there. Yeah. This is the classic, want my cake and eat it too. Yeah man, you know what though? I mean, he's got a tremendous athletic performance ability to be able to do all of that.

I've worked with boxers, young, resilient, so it's kind of one of those things. Yeah, but he's just got to eat more, dude. Just not eating enough for all of that activity. Yeah, that end or just understand that the goal, yeah, the goals are competing, you know, the being a great box, and obviously that's very important to him.

So you never want to be the coach who's like, hey, stop boxing. But the truth is, if you really wanted to build your traps and calves, cutting out boxing and limiting that, or really pulling back on the intensity, increasing calories, would be the most effective path to get there. But like you love it, like so, okay. But then you have to be a little understanding that,

I mean, how many boxers do we see that look like bodybuilders? And by the way, the ones that do are anomalies. They have those genetic, they probably looked like that when they were 12, you know what I'm saying? So, you don't see boxers. I usually don't bet on them. You usually don't get that. And Vendor Holyfield, he looked like a little boy.

Yeah, that's the same. You know, along those lines, when you look at an athlete and you look at their body parts and you say, oh, it's the sport is causing that. At that level, what's happened is they're genetically built in a particular way that gives them an advantage at that sport. That's why they look the way they do.

It's not that the sport develops. So, you know, he talked about calves. In fact, if you look at boxers, they tend to have high short calves. Kickboxers tend to have long calves. Why is that? Well, you're a kickboxer. You're kicking, you want mass on your lower leg

to give you more power when you're a boxer. When you're a boxer, support. Yeah, and when you're a boxer, you short just like sprinters, you see they typically have short calves as well. You want mobility, you want power, but you want mobility. That doesn't mean if you kickbox, your calves will get longer if your calves will get shorter.

They're just built at that level, when you look at that level, if let us, you know, that level of performance, you're looking at people who work hard, consistent, but they also have the genetics that puts them in a category that makes them better at that particular sport or built better for that particular sport. So I wanna make that point because as a kid,

I did the same thing. I would look at a sport and be like, oh, that's, I gotta do that sport to look that way. Now that's not how it works. Our next caller is Andrea from Indiana. Andrea, how can we help you? Hi, thanks for taking my question today. I've been listening to you guys for a while

and really enjoy the content. Also, I recently got the RGB bundle, which I'm digging. So again, thanks, Tom. You guys are doing great work. Awesome. Thank you. So my question is regarding nutrition. I've been tracking my macros for about six years, and for the majority of it, I've generally followed a 40% protein, 30% carb, 30% fat diet, and I'm very routine based. So I eat pretty much the same thing every day except for occasional vacations and holidays. And so I'm very routine based. So I eat pretty much the same thing every day, except for occasional vacations and holidays. And so I'm just curious if there's any advantage to changing up your nutrition plan

outside of changing the amount of calories. So more like in terms of macro percentages or types of proteins. Oh, good, absolutely. Great, great question. Yes, the answer is yes. There definitely is value. There's a couple places

where you'll find value. One is in learning how to read the signals because when you get so caught in a routine of eating in a particular way, you tend to lose touch with how your body feels eating other things, okay? And that's it potentially. So I see value in people trying different diets

to see, wow, when I go really low carb, I notice improvements in my cognitive performance, or when I boot my carbs, I have better performance in the gym, or when I switch protein sources from, let's say, you know, turkey to ground beef or to fish, I notice more or less inflammation

or better recovery or better digestion. So there's that. There's also potential, I noticed more or less inflammation or better recovery or better digestion. So there's that. There's also potential. You could potentially be developing food intolerances from eating the same things over and over again. So let's say you have a little bit of gut inflammation. That could cause proteins or amino acids to leak through the gut. And you could create some kind of mild immune reactions

to the types of foods that you eat. This is why you'll see people with gut issues when they do gut testing or intolerance testing. They'll find that all the things that they eat, they're intolerant to. It's because they eat them all the time. So their bodies now develop kind of this immune response to those types of things.

So wellness professionals or experts, or people like Paul Check, who I would consider to be the Godfather of the wellness space Advocates rotating foods specifically just for that reason. So those are two big reasons why I would I would say it's it's a good idea to rotate Through those things, you know, I used to love to take my clients through like all all popular diets And then as we go through that process, I'd be constantly questioning them,

like, what do you feel and what do you like about this or what do you don't like? And because I think in the context of your life, not always being exactly the same, I tend to like to eat different ways based off of my situation. So I incorporate intermittent fasting sometimes, I incorporate a higher fat diet, sometimes, sometimes I go high carb low. And so as you get to

rotate through these different diets, you start to go, Oh, you know what, like, I don't have to be eating this way exactly the same all the time. I find value in, you know, changing the diet up today, because I'm'm gonna be flying all day long or I'm not gonna have access to a lot of things. So I'm gonna, or I know that when I eat with more carbs, I tend to crave more foods. And so when I'm trying to suppress my cravings,

I'm gonna try a higher fat, higher protein. So there's a lot of value in doing this. Aside from also just, like Sal said, with potentially eliminating foods that you could have in intolerance to that you don't realize. Yeah, I do want to give you credit though. I think as trainers, we try to get our clients into the phase where you're in in terms of like understanding your body on that level of like what works and, you know, where your homeostasis in terms of like what, you know, your

meals consist of that works best, but now, after being there for so many years to be able to optimize that and go venture in these other directions because there are diets that lend better towards different benefits. To be able to maybe introduce something different for brain function health and all that and then come back and get back to your regular routine. I think there's got to be some benefit to that. Yeah, I'll tell you what, like I give you an example, if I know that I'm going to be on some big podcast and I'm traveling, I will eat a particular way to that I've identified for myself that maximizes my sharpness, my cognitive performance. If I know I'm going to have a particular type of workout and or I want to

hit a PR, then my diet will change based on that. If my sleep is off, if my digestion isn't a particular way, then I'll adjust my diet in those ways. So basically what you're doing is you're taking, you're getting a much more broad whole picture of how your body is affected by different foods. So when you do change to something else, pay attention to how you feel. Don't marry it, just pay attention to how you feel. And then throughout your entire life,

you'll get a better idea of how to eat based off of the context of your life and your goals and kind a better idea of how to eat based off of the context of your life and your goals and kind of what you're looking to accomplish. It's a really cool place to be when you do it that way. That's kind of the route towards what I would loosely define as intuitive eating. Especially since you've been very consistent with and you really have got your macros dial and you've been doing this for a long time so it's easier for someone like you to measure how these different ways of eating is affecting you versus somebody who never eats consistently at all,

a certain way. It's hard for that person to pinpoint, oh wow, when I do increase this, I really notice the difference in my sleep for some of the things south-sounds. So it's actually, like Justin said, you're in a great place because you've built this consistency of tracking and paying attention. So now to start to manipulate and play with that, like you're in a great place because you have built this consistency of tracking and paying attention.

So now to start to manipulate and play with that, like you're the perfect client to really make them become more aware of how they're eating intuitively. Yeah, that's awesome. I didn't realize that you could actually develop in tolerance just by eating the same thing. So I'd be curious to find out in what I think I'll do is just roll it on a 180. I eat a lot of eggs, I eat a lot of ground turkey and so maybe filtering in a lot more fish and ground beef and just see how I feel. Along those lines, it's actually almost always that. It's very common. And it's almost always the favorite food.

Yes, that you wouldn't think. So I think that's one of the most interesting things. There's been, many times where I've had clients who didn't realize that the food they eat every single day that they thought agreed with them, didn't so much. There was this thing, I have a client who'd be like, yeah, I always feel like I have this little bit of a pooch. I just, unless I'm waking up first thing in the morning,

my stomach's flat in the morning, but then I just feel like I'm bloated kind of all day, but not real bad, but just kind of, and then I'll say we change a food that was a favorite food or a food date every single day out of there. And they're like, oh my God, I feel so much leaner. It's like, well, we didn't lose a bunch of body fat

in three days, but what we did was we eliminated something that maybe your body, and it doesn't have to be a massive reaction. Sometimes it's very subtle like that, but then they see a difference in the way they look and feel. Yeah, awesome guys, thanks so much. You got it, thanks for calling in.

You had to go a little deeper into that for people who are like, huh, how does that work? Like, why does that make sense? So when you have slight gut inflammation, which can be caused by lots of different things, lots of stress, over things, lots of stress, over exercise, lack of sleep, hormone changes, whatever the gut is affected by almost everything. When you have a little bit of inflammation in the gut, the junctions in the wall of the

gut, you get a little bit of spacing in between them. They become leaky. This is the term leaky gut syndrome, right? The medical term now is intestinal wall hyperpermeability, I think is what they'll say. And so when you have a little bit of space there, then when you eat foods or, you know, amino acids, particles, whatever, markers of the foods that you eat can go through the gut when they're not supposed to. And when your body sees that, it identifies it oftentimes it creates an immune response. It's like a call to arms. It doesn't have to be a big reaction,

be a very minor reaction, and you can almost get used to this reaction. And now realize that the food that you're eating is causing this until you remove it, and then all of a sudden you feel less bloated, more energy, just generally better. So this is why the foods we eat all the time are typically the ones that you'll develop in a tolerance

because of the ones that your body is mounting this reaction to. So switching them out allows your body to kind of give it a break. It brings inflammation back down. And then you can reintroduce those foods again. Yeah, I always thought it was a good idea to rotate food anyway.

And like I always liked the idea of good idea to rotate food anyway. I always like the idea of trying to go with what's in season in terms of like because nature just has this way of providing the right types of nutrients for certain seasons where you don't get a lot of sun or like there's a lot of like colds and viruses out there and like things to combat that. So to kind of follow that natural pattern, I think is something to consider, but it is a lot more mentally simplistic to keep this kind of regiment of what works. Well, there's also micro nutrients

and eating the same food. If you eat even other good foods and they fit your macro profile, you're eating the same kind of micronutrients all the time. And there's benefits to lots of different micronutrients And so what you might find is that you're not and that it's not enough to make you fat or not be able to build muscle or Winnihame but your body yeah your body may be craving and needing it because you are low on it You don't even realize you're low and you don't think you're doing something wrong or bad because your macros are in line and simply by rotating through that food and getting something else introduced

in there, you pick those micronutrients up and then I'll send you go, oh my god, I feel a little bit better. That's weird. My macros are the same. I'm doing the same training air size. Oh, well, maybe you were lacking in these micronutrients because you ate X, Y and Z all the time and you needed this and now you got it. So you feel different.

Our next caller is Billy from New York. Billy, what's happening? Hey guys, I want to just say thank you for for all the information and entertainment you provide. I've been an avid listener last couple of years. So thank you for all the laughs and all the information that I can get from you guys, whether that's to fitness or anything else going on in the world. You got it. Thanks, Billy. guys, whether that's to fitness or anything else going on in the world. You got it, Alex.

Thanks, Billy. So I had a question about first steps to get into the industry. My main question is should I get a personal training certification or go the nutrition route and get a level one certification with NCI? A little bit of background. I've been working out consistently the last three or four years at a big box gym. And I know some trainers at that gym, they all have their CPT through various certifications. But I've also listened to your show a while, and I've heard plenty of people say they get more

out of you guys than those certifications that they studied for. As an outsider trying to get in the industry, I look at the CPT as a necessary. And then I also had a call with somebody at NCI about their level one certification, and I am intrigued by that, and I'm thinking about going that route. So I guess, I know you have a working relationship too with NCI and hold them in high regard. So can it be a hindrance for someone not to have their CPT

or is that overblown or what do you guys thoughts? What do you want to do? Good question. You want to work at a big box gym, train people in person or do you want to coach people online? Yeah. At first I was undecided and the more that I've thought about that, I think training people online would be pretty cool because kind of just like this call, you can talk with anyone

from anywhere in the country or the world for that matter. Okay. That's easy then. Yeah. NCI. So here's why. Here's why I go NCI if you're going online. Two reasons.

One, the vast majority of training you're going to do online virtually is going to be through nutrition. It's really hard to train people virtually, you know, fitness-wise. Now, when you're working with someone in person, you're going to want more of that kind of biomechanics understanding, form understanding, plus it's a requirement anyway. You go to a gym, they're going to require a national level, you know, what they would consider a national level certification. So NCI is easy for that reason. And also because NCI, and this is why we work with them, they teach coaches how to be successful. Yeah. No other

certification does this. You go get any SM, ISSA, whatever, they'll teach you exercise, they'll teach you some program. But yeah, I had to, you know, not hurt someone and stuff like that. They teach you zero or almost zero on how to build your business. NCI will teach you how to build your business and that's the biggest gap. That's like the biggest thing that the industry lacks is trainers get certified, then they get thrown into the space, nobody knows how to build their business.

How do I make it a sustainable income and support myself? Like, yeah, those are are the most important factors. An NCI is actually one of the only certifications I've seen that is really addressing that whole heartedly and has a lot of success stories to back it. Yeah, this was the main reason why we partnered with them. We knew years ago the direction, the fitness space was going as far as online coaching. We think they're the best in the industry in that.

So that was kind of the no-brainer partnership. In a perfect world, I think having both, though, would be most beneficial. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think that the value you do get from, you know, program building and going through like an actual national certification. But if it was like, I got a budget, I got a certain amount of money or time to dedicate towards this right now, where would I go first? Oh, yeah, the stuff that you're going to get from NCI, especially considering that you've

already said that you're going to start or want to do it online. Like if you were going into a gym, you would need the national shirt, and so that would be the obvious. But you're going to get a lot of what you need just from NCI loan. And then the fact that you listen to the show, I mean, I think we talk a lot about, you know, program design on the show. So you get probably a good chunk of that from us. And then NCI is going to really fill in the gaps. Yeah, I think, and we recommend, I mean, it kind of varies based off of like what you're trying to do

What we would recommend but in terms of just like a general recommendation of national certification I still think n asms probably one of your best bets in terms of just like a foundational Understanding of anatomy and physiology and like you know at least gives you a lot of the the the higher like Understanding of of what you're trying to do. But in terms of programming and really getting to that individual application, I think CPPS is your best bet. Yeah, Joe to Frank.

Yeah, Joe to Frank goes, here's what I'm gonna do for you, Billy. I'm gonna help you out, okay. I, maps Prime Pro and maps Prime are extremely valuable to trainers and coaches. If you don't have those, I'll send those to you because you'll find those very valuable to work with people online. So, it's not going to teach you how to do a squat or a bench press or a deadlift. I'm assuming

you know how to do those basic exercises. You've been working out for a while, but it is going to teach you how to do correctional exercise and that is very valuable for any trainer. So I'll send you those two, and I'll say this, prime and prime pro are as valuable as most certifications, in my opinion, for a trainer who at least has a basic understanding of exercise. If you have no understanding of exercise, go with certification. If you have a basic understanding of exercise, prime and prime pro, in my opinion, are more valuable than most certifications. 100% of applications.

100%. Absolutely. 100%. So I'm going to send you those two my opinion, are more valuable than most certifications. In terms of application. Absolutely, 100%. So I'm gonna send you those two, and those are worth more than some of those certifications. And then I would go NCI. NCI is gonna teach you how to be a good online coach and teach you how to build your business because there's a massive, massive percentage

of certified trainers who don't train clients because they couldn't figure out how to make it a career. They just couldn't figure it out because nobody taught them, nobody coached them. Wow, thank you, thank you very much for that. Yeah, I think I'm going to have a conversation too with my former trainer. He actually was the one who put me on you guys. He would use some of your videos when you would walk through like the form of an exercise. So when I first started working out from home during the pandemic, he would use some of your videos when you would walk through like the form of an exercise. So when I first started working out from home during the pandemic, he would

send me those clips of you guys walking through that stuff. So that's how I first got onto you. And now I just, I just bounced back and forth between anabolic and performance for myself. And yeah, just perfect. I kind of want to change and feel like this would be a good, good place to start. So thank you very much. Awesome. You got it man And hopefully we'll see you in some of those coaching sessions with NCI because we'll get on there with some of them So maybe we'll see you there Sounds good. Alright, thanks Billy

Yeah, that's now I want to say this to people looking who are aspiring to be successful as Coaches and trainers in the space ideally. I think the route should be you train people in person. For a year, you work in a big box gym. Why? Because the big box gym is going to provide you with the most leads, opportunities, and practice. Then you go online and work with a place like NCI that teaches you how to build your business. I think that's a long approach and some people like I just want to get to it, I get that. But if you like, you want to have the best chance, I think in person, big box gym, go NCI as well. And that'll give you the best chance.

I think you could do it simultaneously too. You could. I've actually given advice to people in his position, like how to build their social media around, like how do you post when you're starting something, or starting a new career like this? And you remember when you first start training, you get one client, two or three, you'll have a handful of clients that you get

that normally the gym hands you to get you started. But what's great is that, you know, because it's all new for you, it's new for the client that's training with you, you know, every day, there's a teaching moment, every day, there's something that you learn as a coach or that you teach a client, and that is what you should use to generate post and content.

And so you're not only getting the practice with the hands on in person, you're also fueling the content creation for what you should put out online, which then will attract more people that you can help because you're already helping that person in real life. And so it's a slow process, but I think it's one of the best ways to build your business. The irony of that, which is funny, is the best coaches out there are always trying to go back and retrace and find those moments

that where it had the most impact of like, I learned this very simplistic thing and to be able to pinpoint that is really difficult once you get further in your career. So to start with that in mind, I think is a great idea. Yeah, and just to hammer this home, if this is what you want to do for a career, it's a very,

very rewarding career if you love fitness and health. But if you don't learn how to build a business within the space, you will fail. I'm just going to stop telling you that right now. Unless you're like hyper-talented and gifted, which is super rare, you will fail. So you need to place, because trainers do this. They place a lot of focus on learning how to be good trainers. They place very little focus on how to build their business. No, no, no, no.

You got to place a lot of focus on how to build your business or you will get. You got to survive. That's it, 100%. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out some of our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal.

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