Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2016: How to Know if Your Are Gaining Fat or Building Muscle When Eating in a Surplus, Tips for Building an Amazing Butt, How to Build a Bigger Chest & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:03:30 I'm not just talking about consistency in the psychology behind exercise. I mean, literally, how you think, why do you do a lift can change how it affects your muscles. Studies have confirmed this. In other words, if you're focusing on a particular muscle, you improve its activation. If you focus on a movement, you can lift more weight. So if you lift heavy, or if your body building and sculpting, you got to change your mindset.

Starting point is 00:03:56 This is totally overlooked. So, okay, explain that a little bit deeper. So do you mean like, like say I go to the gym, I'm getting ready to do squats. And I got a fight with my wife right before I walked in there. And I'm like doing, and like I'm thinking about that stuff, that will negatively impact the lift like weight-wise or because sometimes I feel like that contributes. Just be honest. Either channel it or completely screw up there. So they've done study on this where they'll have someone do a lift and they'll have them focus on the muscle.

Starting point is 00:04:31 So they'll say, I'll give an example, do a bench press and then focus on the chest working. So you mean in particular, like what muscle I'm trying to have? Well, that's one aspect. And so those studies will show that there's more or better activation So this is really valuable when you're when you're trying to target a specific muscle group But then also on the other side How you think can also affect the amount of weight you can lift so they've got studies where people will go in

Starting point is 00:04:59 And sack themselves up or focus on being tight or just focus on perfect movement, not necessarily focusing on a specific muscle and then they can lift more weight. So now, how can you use this? Well, if you're going in and you're doing little reps and your goal is to increase the weight that you're lifting, then rather than focusing on the target muscle, like when you're squatting, like glutes, quads, hands, whatever. It's about getting tight, driving, psyching yourself up. If you're body building, you're body sculpting,

Starting point is 00:05:28 and you're doing a squat, and you're like, I want my glutes to fire more, or I want to feel this more in my quads, then focusing on that muscle and its actions will actually do that. So how you do the lift from a mental, and if people forget this, right, that muscles are dumb, like you take a muscle

Starting point is 00:05:43 off your body, doesn't do anything, it's the brain, it's the central nervous system that controls the muscles. So how you think while you do the lift, can actually have a significant effect to the point where if you do this for years and years and years, you'll notice a difference in development and strength. Well, you know where I really saw this

Starting point is 00:05:58 was working with high school kids and being able to teach them how to create that kind of stability and to be able to generate more how to create that kind of stability and to be able to generate more tension throughout their body and their muscles to be able to kind of ground themselves. It was like a totally foreign concept to a lot of the kids because they just look at the exercise

Starting point is 00:06:16 and they wanna like produce the exercise and just kind of get through the workouts. And that's just always been the intention is like, I gotta get through the workouts, I'm exhausted, I sweat, and that's sort always been the intention is like, I got to get through the workouts, I'm exhausted, I sweat and I do and that's sort of like the end result. And to really spend that extra amount of time and like keep them in position and now to squeeze and produce force. So one thing that I did that was very helpful. I took this from Joe to Franco was using those grip testers. And so you'd have them come in and just to be able to focus on

Starting point is 00:06:49 increasing that number was like, you have to use your entire body to be able to squeeze that hard. So that was a good hack. You know, it's another example of what you're talking about too, is you know, if you've seen these cases where somebody hits a PR because they actually didn't realize the weight that they put on there, there's a famous case of that where I think it was an Olympic lifter broke a world record because they misloaded the

Starting point is 00:07:15 bar and actually went to work. And that just shows you the power of the mind of like, oh, yeah, I've lifted this before. So it's so automatically you are trying that on your body. Yeah. Surprise one day. Somebody's gonna hear this episode. Fuck somebody up here. Just changing all the kilos.

Starting point is 00:07:30 Yeah, my books that I can slide a, slide a extra 50 on there. You would know. You know, I've done this to myself, by the way. Where I've worked out in a gym once and the plates were in kilos. And you know, you could do the math right, one kilos, 2.2 pounds.

Starting point is 00:07:42 I can so see you do this. But I purposefully didn't count. I just threw plates on when I felt like you could do the math right, when Kilo's 2.2 pounds. I can so see you do this. But I purposefully didn't count. I just threw plates on when I felt like you could do more and I said, I'll add it all up at the very end. And when I added it up, I was like, oh crap, I was a PR. I actually hit a PR and I wonder if it would have psyched me out. I've heard, I've actually heard guys say that, that's why they prefer kilograms

Starting point is 00:07:58 so they don't get so focused on the way because like doing the 2.2 math is like, I mean, if you got enough fives and tens and 25s on there, it's like, oh man, that's too difficult to do that. And I'm not really, I should, I'm not focused on exactly the number of students in the movement. So it's funny, because the reason why I, this was, you know, how I opened is I did this today

Starting point is 00:08:14 in my workout. So lately, I've been doing a lot of bodybuilding where I'm like trying to sculpt and focus on target muscles. And today I did that. And so the goal with that is to slow down the rep, field, I did back today. So I'm like feeling the target muscle, feel the last squeeze or the rhomboid squeeze, or whatever part of my back I'm trying to work.

Starting point is 00:08:31 And then when I hit like, I can't do another rep, I switched my mentality. I said, let me squeeze out a few more reps with the same kind of mindset I use when I'm going heavy. And I got three, four more reps. So I couldn't have done it with the other mindset of feeling the muscle, it's almost like I went to failure, but then I got psyched up and I'm like,

Starting point is 00:08:49 let me see if I can get three or four more and stop trying to feel the back, just move the weight. And I was able to do it and I was like, man, it's so crazy. How just that mindset can change, how the exercise feels, how what your working gets affected. And again, they've backed us up with studies. It's funny because bodybuilders and strength athletes have been talking about this before we had technology

Starting point is 00:09:09 where we could see muscles being activated, we could see muscle fiber recruitment. Bodybuilders talked about this all the time. Arnold would say, when you're doing your curls, you know, he'd say, focus on the peak of the bicep and imagine the bicep growing or whatever, and it sounded hokey. But he was actually onto something, you know, he was onto to- it's all about the squeeze and the feel and trying to really like coming that process

Starting point is 00:09:30 It's a coming People don't know that you gotta watch pumping. I you got hold of you in your first watch pumping You know, that's a good question. I wonder when I you know, I probably got introduced to it actually not till later because I didn't get into lifting until So you're probably in your 20s? No, no, no, probably 15, 16. Okay. Yeah, because we started, I didn't get into like really like lifting until like 18, 19,

Starting point is 00:09:52 but I was working out in my buddy's garage. You know, he had a group, one of my good friends had a garage, his dad had a garage gym. And of course, when we all started getting girlfriends and you know, that became like the mate, like I think at one point, you know, or I think it's common that you like all of a sudden like focus becomes girls, you know, you do everything for the attention of girls.

Starting point is 00:10:13 And never changes. Yeah, right. And I think that was right around like 15. And so I think that even though we weren't new, we had no idea what we're doing. The fact that his dad had that in the garage, we're in there getting arm pumps, you know, we're doing a lot of tricep push downs in barbell curls. So I watched, I thought it was, I think I was 14

Starting point is 00:10:30 when I first watched it, because it was around the same time. Yeah, so I sort of lived thing about 14, like seriously, and I was right away, right, fell in love with it. And my cousin and I are sexual imprint kind of timeframes. Right in that right then. That expression. Yeah, I cannot be concentration curls without. No, so my cousin and I, we were already fans of Arnold

Starting point is 00:10:49 because remember this was like, you know, late 80s, early 90s. And Arnold was like the action star or whatever. It was like the buff, this guy and, you know, we're all into like trying to get, you know, strong or whatever. So we got, I bought, first I got the encyclopedia body building and then I figured out that there was pumping iron. So my dad went to the, at the time, it was photo drive up, 24-hour photo drive was the name of it.

Starting point is 00:11:11 This is where you could develop photos, but also rent movies. This is how it was back before even blockbusters. And we saw pumping iron. And I'm like, oh my God, I gotta watch this. We gotta watch this. And I remember putting it on, I had no idea what to expect. Now, I remember I'm 14 years old and so my exposure to some of the stuff was

Starting point is 00:11:29 Really minimal and I remember watching that and Arnold talking about how You know you know when I get a pump. It's like having sex with the woman and coming and I remember as a kid being like What? Talking about and I'm like did he just say what I thought he said and I was disappointed? I was actually disappointed as a kid. I was like why would he say that? What are you talking about? And I'm like, did he just say what I thought he said? And I was disappointed. I was actually disappointed as a kid. I was like, why would he say that? That's so stupid. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:11:51 Come in, look at how he's talking about. I'm so dumb, then I got older. I was like, that's hilarious. Oh, man. You know, I'm gonna say something that I think is a little bit controversial. I wanna hear your opinion on it because you're such a fan and you followed this stuff.

Starting point is 00:12:02 I don't think that, and when we, when you think, when we talk about Arnold Schwar't think that, and when we think, when we talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger, everybody, you know, he's just, obviously the most famous bodybuilder of all time, I don't think he had one of the greatest physiques of all time. I don't even think that, I'm gonna go get a drink of water.

Starting point is 00:12:19 I mean, I think Serge Nibre had a better physique even in pumping iron. Oh. I just, by the way, that is not to take away from his mass, his size, his unbelievable chest and arms. The guy had incredible physique, so we're obviously splitting hairs by critiquing his physique. But I really believe that it was his personality. I mean, he was such a character.

Starting point is 00:12:43 You just, you had to like the most memorable one. Oh my God. I mean, what that's what pumping iron did for me was I fell in love with his personality. Like he was hilarious. You also have to use a very smart super charismatic. He was a he was a millionaire before he became an actor and it wasn't through bodybuilding. He had businesses. I mean, he literally is the epitome of the American dream, right? He's a foreigner that comes to this country, becomes the top bodybuild in the world, becomes a millionaire through business, decides he wants to be a Hollywood actor,

Starting point is 00:13:11 with a crazy ridiculous long last name that nobody can pronounce. Can't speak English. Austin Accent, yeah. Can't speak English without accent. Everybody thinks he makes fun of them, says you're gonna be an actor. Does it become the highest paid actor,

Starting point is 00:13:23 then says I'm gonna become the governor of the most populated state in California as a Republican, and he does it, but all that aside, when it comes to his physique, bodybuilding has changed. Not a big chance of his COVID stances, by the way. I know, I'm a little shade. Yeah, well, you know, no one's perfect.

Starting point is 00:13:40 But you guys keep it with that. Yeah, you guys keep it with that. As bodybuildings ideals changed through the decades. And the ideals for body building and that era was Arnold's type of physique. So it was, okay, so I'm going to disagree. So Serge Nibre looks more like the ideals that you would think for like body building later. Okay, so what I'm going to challenge on that, because I disagree.

Starting point is 00:14:04 And why I disagree with that is that, because this is how it is today, okay? So it's been this way, and I think Arnold was the beginning of this, and I know this will probably upset a lot of people that compete right now, but here's the truth. Like, it's dominated by the people that put on those shows and sponsor that put big money behind it, which is most of your supplement brands, which are massive marketing machines.

Starting point is 00:14:28 Well, back then it was all weater. And it was the magazine. Yeah, he dominated it. But what they look for is somebody who is marketable. Of course. And yeah, you need to have a great physique, even to get on stage at the highest level. 100%. Everybody has to be badass.

Starting point is 00:14:44 And because the sport is so subjective, it's really easy to be like, it's like the argument we were talking about with the refs, or it's like, you can easily call it this way or that way. It's really easy to say, like, oh, he does or he, what really makes a decision is that personality, that look that you have.

Starting point is 00:14:59 And if you are more marketable, and you see it today in men's physique and bodybuilding, if you've got a, which is why there was this, you know, you started to see this movement in the men's physique space, like if you had a big falling on social media, you got placed higher. You got placed higher.

Starting point is 00:15:16 Right, like what would you say the percentage of that is in consideration for the judges when they're like, kind of, you know, pitting the two together, like towards the end, like, and one has a bit higher of a reach or is more marketable in terms of people. So that's okay, that's, and I think the way you set the table for that is a perfect way, have a,

Starting point is 00:15:34 do I think that they're gonna put somebody up there that is got a terrible physique just because he's popular? No, no, but I think that it's gonna come down to the top three to five. And if you got five bodies that all look amazing, that you could easily argue, oh, his back was a little better than his, that's why you can make that argument.

Starting point is 00:15:52 That's enough to then let it be swayed by, that's the look we're looking for. I wanted, I was looking for a blonde hair blue eye guy, or oh, I wanted someone that was a little edgy looking with some tattoos. Like if you have a vision of what you were looking for, and you know that these guys that are sponsoring these things that are putting millions of dollars in these events are in the ears of the judges and are talking to them about, hey, this is the guy we like and

Starting point is 00:16:16 letting them know. And they don't even have to do that. They don't even have to do that. Doesn't even have to be that planned. I just think. Yeah, because your stage presence Arnold used to talk about this all the time. He would psych people out, or he would appear to be more confident on stage.

Starting point is 00:16:30 And when it's close like that, the judges are more likely to pick this guy over that guy. But that's not even the controversial Olympia. So that Olympia, there's no controversy. Most people would say that it was judged properly. The controversy would have been Lou versus surge, because Lou got third, or no, I think you got third and surge got second.

Starting point is 00:16:49 The controversy was the 1980, Mr. Olympia. So Arnold wins a bunch in a row. I think you won six in a row. Then he leaves, says he's gonna retire. Then he comes back in 1980 and says, I'm gonna make a comeback. Comes back with a smaller, less impressive physique. Meanwhile, all the other bodybuilders had gotten much better,

Starting point is 00:17:08 Arnold wins, and it's still to this day one of the most controversial Mr. Olympia's of all time. You know, you gotta know that we'd give it to him because of who he was. Yes. And that was right when Arnold was starting to make a name for himself.

Starting point is 00:17:22 So that one was the most controversial. I mean, I think we see this in sports all the time. I mean, even in like, we just saw the Super Bowl, there is a huge interest in specific teams making it. If you have two like out of market teams, like Oklahoma or something like from a state and a small town, like there's not a big falling, You want the big, you want the Dallas Cowboys in there. You want these teams that have massive phone because it's way more revenue for them.

Starting point is 00:17:51 So very much, you cannot think that these things aren't swayed that way because you know that it's gonna be contract. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna play a factor. Yeah, I would have hated to compete against someone like him because he's just so, is charisma and his ability to do whatever the hell he says he's going to do. I'll tell you this right now. If he were a natural born citizen, he would he would 100% been president. 100% you know down my mind. No doubt my mind. Well that's why I think the rock will be in our

Starting point is 00:18:22 in our generation. Joseph and Jerry and not you know, you know, you know, a little off three. I think the rock has been setting the table for that for quite some time now. And we will see that in the next, you know, 12 years or so. Yeah, he's got a chance. You think the rock will do it? I do. Especially, would he really want it? That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:18:39 I don't want it. I mean, I don't want that. But I mean, I mean, I think he does. I mean, I feel like that he's already setting the table for this stuff. I think if you want, I think if you want to be president, you're already in a category of people that probably shouldn't be president personally.

Starting point is 00:18:52 A hundred percent. You know, if you want that bad, the best to go through all that shit, you got, the best people to lead are the people that don't want it. That's the way, you know, that's the way that government was originally designed in this country. It was originally designed that you already had a job,

Starting point is 00:19:06 you worked, you had a life, and then it's not time you started. Is that George Washington's story? Isn't that his story? Well, George Washington, they wanted to make him king. All the people that follow him said, let's make him king. And he said, no, no, I'm not gonna do that. Now it's like a full time job. You know, people in Congress make like 200 grand a year,

Starting point is 00:19:23 which isn't a ton, and yet they're millionaires. How the hell they become millionaires? How the hell are you a millionaire? All you gotta do is follow the stock trade. Yeah, dude, like how did this, how did this happen? Was it true that George Washington was like six, two, or like he was like a really like tall guy? Oh, he was.

Starting point is 00:19:39 Yeah, like I read that somewhere and I didn't know for sure. Like if you fact checked me on that, like, oh, six foot. Okay. Which was probably really tall back then. They exaggerated a bit. Well, back then, I mean, the, the, the new tree. He's huge. We're so high.

Starting point is 00:19:52 Yeah, that was like six five. That's a big, that's a big guy though. Yeah. Who, who's, who's been our big, was it Abraham Lincoln our biggest president? The tallest. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:02 I know the heaviest was tapped. I think the heaviest was tapped. I think it was a six four. Oh, yeah, I think it's four. Yeah. And he the heaviest was tapped. Lincoln was a six four. Oh, yeah, Lincoln's four. Yeah. And he was a power number fighter too, right? Not Baronucco, he was a catch wrestler. Oh, and he would kick the shit at a dude's apparently. He was bad at it.

Starting point is 00:20:14 And six four. You know, there's a story of Abraham Lincoln. I guess there was like, it's right. There's like four dudes on a riverboat that, I don't know what the story was. They were harassing someone or whatever. And he got on the boat and threw all four of them off the boat.

Starting point is 00:20:28 Maybe you could look that up, Andrew. That's dope. Yeah. He says some like, presence I could throw down. Yeah. Bro, Teddy Roosevelt. Because you're mad. You'll fight.

Starting point is 00:20:39 I'll fight and fight and somebody. Nobody, nobody compares. He is. Nobody compares to Teddy Roosevelt. No one. This guy, I feel like Obama would have a little bit of a little umph. Probably really Teddy Roosevelt, when he's got that, I'm talking about Latin.

Starting point is 00:20:53 No, you're going way back. I'm talking like in the last five presidents. Like who's like out of the last five presidents, I think Obama wins the fight. And a fight? Yeah, the fight. Bro, you ever watch him ride a bike with his helmet? Bill Clinton.

Starting point is 00:21:04 He's a fight. Bro, you're watching him ride a bike with his helmet? Bill Clinton. He's a dork. I mean, it ain't, it ain't, Bill Clinton. It's definitely a bike. This person's crazy. It ain't Trump. Reagan would have kicked the shadow of him. Reagan was a, was a,

Starting point is 00:21:15 I think college football player. That's not five presidents back, but okay. Is it? No, no, you got the bushes and then you got, you got Obama, you have Trump, you have Biden. So that's more than, but I mean, I'll give you that. That's fine. Yeah. You know what, maybe Bush, because he's like country strong. Like, you have Trump, you have Biden, so that's more than, but I mean, I'll give you that. That's fine. You know what, maybe Bush, because he's like country strong.

Starting point is 00:21:28 Like, he's a senior. Maybe Bush senior would have been like a, he seems like he was like, he was like, he was like, he was like, he was like, he looks like a little athlete though. Like, I don't know. He was, wasn't he in college? Oh, bro, in college.

Starting point is 00:21:38 Like a frappoy, was he? In college, he was doing cocaine and, and cake stands. That's right, I'm putting my money on Bush. Oh, he's such a, he's not. He's a wild card, right? So I would do that too. So you can kind of want to back the guy that you wrote.

Starting point is 00:21:52 But Roosevelt, if you read about him, he went and wanted to fight in a war against their orders. Took a bunch of men and went to the front lines to go fight. The guy used to go out at night. That's pretty gangster. He used to go out at night and fight crime. This is what Batman was based off of apparently. Is that true, I've heard that.

Starting point is 00:22:12 Is that who it's Batman's based on? Yeah, loosely based off of him. He was a judo. I think he learned judo from a Japanese instructor, learned how to box, worked out. He was a sickly kid who then built up his body and got shot. Wasn't he the one that got shot, finished his speech? Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:22:30 After he got shot. That would be great. I think so. Back up. Back up. What happened to our president's man? I know, that's what I'm saying. He used to be tough.

Starting point is 00:22:37 Now you got Biden walking. He looks like, like, step, step. You ever watch last summer he was walking, take another step. He has like a different gate every time I see Puppet huh so Roosevelt was the original inspiration for Batman and he did get shot spoke for 84 minutes before completing his speech and accepting medical attention What a savage Why is that not a movie that should be like a movie? Yeah, the real Batman there was a documentary on Roosevelt Why would that would make a good movie? No, what do Batman. There was a documentary on Roosevelt. Why is that?

Starting point is 00:23:05 That would make a good movie, no? What do they call, what was his, him and his crew that went to fight in a war? Was it the Roughnecks? I think they were called. Maybe you could look that up on horseback. Sure. On horseback.

Starting point is 00:23:16 Cowboys, yeah, and they had their pistols and their rifles. And the guys like, don't go to the front lines. It's like, fuck you, and he took a bunch of dudes and they went out there and just, yeah, they don't make men like what happened to us. What happened to? I don't know. Did you guys see have you guys I hurt my back yesterday? Time my shoe Roughriders Roughriders is that worth it. Wow. That's like a popular like bike gang and like rough riders It's been in rap songs like that's like a total like yeah, that's where that's the origin of that Huh? Yeah, well that means is where people even know that goes right in your whip, you know and you walk around

Starting point is 00:23:47 It's a That's your Justin's rapper name by the way He came up with it his own yeah, what was it? It was chocolate cheese Chocolate cheese Spitting them bars What did you and what? What was Adam's? You came up at face killer. Oh, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:24:07 I'm sorry. That's pretty good, though. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I like them. That's pretty good. I'll take that one. Hey, you guys watch it.

Starting point is 00:24:17 Have you guys, because we all watch this one, right? Don't we all, is it? What, they're very few shows. We all get into and watch. I think you is the only one that we all watch. Oh, I haven't watched the last one. I haven't said that yet. Oh, the other side was going.

Starting point is 00:24:28 Is it this is good as the other one? You know, that's why I wanted to talk to you. I hope they bring back the chickie killed or they made it look like he killed. So they haven't. They haven't. And I'm not. No, no spoilers.

Starting point is 00:24:38 So, well, they, I mean, like every other season, it's like a whole new situation. It's always been that way. It's gotta move, because he obviously, he's the one that I wanted to talk to you guys about is, because I can't quite wrap my brain around why I like it so much. Like it's, you know, it's kind of like,

Starting point is 00:24:56 I know what's kind of gonna happen, yet I still, well, I don't know what's gonna happen, and maybe that's what it is, is that, but I, obviously I get the gist of what's probably gonna happen. Kind of like a voyeur or whatever into the mind of a serial killer. Yeah, is that what it, so maybe that's what it is because-

Starting point is 00:25:11 Yeah, but that's not a real serial killer is not likeable. No, yeah, of course not. I just mean like, I don't know, you know what I mean. Do you? Bro. A real serial killer?

Starting point is 00:25:19 If you were into the, peered into the mind of like Jeffrey Domry, but oh, you'd be horrified. Well, I mean, that was one of the most that was one of the most viral Netflix Shines. Hunter remember that show mine hunter. It was the psychologist that would be interview I was a great show serial. You never saw mine hunter. It was great show. Who is the one that he killed and then they caught him and Then he like escaped and killed a bunch of girls again. They caught him again Having like to read. He was a Bundy girls again, and they caught him again. Having like two or three times. Was it Bundy?

Starting point is 00:25:45 I don't remember. He's urged to kill the show back. Your wife is the serial killer, right? She is. She's really into all those shows. So does she like you? Is she love you? She, yeah, she likes that show.

Starting point is 00:25:57 I think she's really more into the actual factual. Right, that she's all this is fake stuff. Yeah, that is too fake for me. That's not how you would do it. Yeah,. Yeah, you guys were right about Bundy. So he was put in a jail cell escaped within two weeks out on the floor of the state university and began raping killing more young women. Wow. Yeah. The number he hit was a lot right. Wasn't Bundy one of the most prolific as far as them out? No, that was the green something killer. I think they killed like, it's estimated. But what is that?

Starting point is 00:26:26 Like I'm trying to wrap my brain around, what is it that like makes me like that show so much? And maybe I think Justin, you're right. Like I'm trying to think of another show that they do a couple of things really unique. Like can you name it a show where make them likable? That's what it is. It's a year point, which yeah, it's like,

Starting point is 00:26:42 they don't do that. They don't make like the villain, like you gravitate towards them because it's like so interesting how he's doing. You know what I think too, is unique. I can't, I don't know if I've seen another show like this, maybe correct me if I'm wrong, like where it's like narrated, where it's in his mind, it's like, so when you, there's several times in every episode

Starting point is 00:27:04 where you're watching him doing something and there's no talking. It's him narrating how he's thinking. And I just think that's a really interesting way to write, right? Like it's like, there's no. There's no monologue it's going off. Yeah, have you ever seen that before?

Starting point is 00:27:19 Can you think of a movie or a show where you get your, where it's constantly, I think. Is there have some shows where you're old? The Wonder Years. All right, the Wonder Years. Is it the Wonder Years? Remember that? You're a watch wonder year?

Starting point is 00:27:30 Yeah, we're always narrating like his entire day. Yeah, basically. Did you guys have a crush on the girl? What's her name, Winnie? Winnie. She's cute. You know, my crush was always Kelly Kipowski, dude. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:42 She's. Who's that one? She's my bell. I don't know all these names, dude. What names? See by the bell? Well, no, I know the names of the show, but I can't see the poster, dude.

Starting point is 00:27:50 To this day, aside from Britney Spears, I know no famous, like, hot girls, and I never followed actresses in that case. Oh, that was the first show name. I don't know what her real name is. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:02 Kelly, dude. Adam was a slater guy. He's a slater. Yeah. He likes Slater. I don't, I've never been it was a slater guy. He's a slater. Yeah, he likes slater. I don't I've never been good about keeping up with. No, we're slater with dancing. Do you like ballet moves? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:11 And stayed by the bell. What? Yeah. Well, you bust them out. Just randomly. Yeah. Anyway, so, uh, so is this season good? Yeah, I mean, I, I, oh, I, that's what my point is like, maybe somebody else is like,

Starting point is 00:28:21 Oh, you know, I was going to play out. So it's not that good, but it's still good. You know, because they do a good job of like, it's all new characters. So I'm already intrigued by learning the new characters. And then, of course, I know what I know is going to happen is like, he's going to fall in love with a girl. He's going to, you know, I'm saying that eventually with all the crazy shit's going to see kind of no kind of. I hope that the girl from the last one comes back somehow. That's what I hope. Is that like he killed her? Did he kill her?

Starting point is 00:28:45 They didn't show her die. He set the house on fire and left. So that leaves the door open. I don't remember how it ended. That leaves the door open. Remember he cut off some of his toes to leave like evidence that so they thought he died in there too? Yeah, that's his baby's mama, where you talking about?

Starting point is 00:28:59 Yes, and he left the kid. Remember he abandoned the kid. Which by the way, can I say something? That ruined it for me. I kind of liked him as a character. As soon as he left this kid, I'm like, fuck this guy by the way, can I say something? That ruined it for me. I kinda liked him as a character. As soon as you left this kid, I'm like, fuck this guy. He killed hell of people.

Starting point is 00:29:09 Do you want the kid hanging out with the serial killer? Well, that's, so, okay. I have a little bit, I have like both sides of that. I agree with you. Like that first initial, like how could you? Yeah, he kills hell of people in like a- But then I go like, well, you know, if I knew I had this internal conflict

Starting point is 00:29:21 and I was constantly killing people, I probably wouldn't want my son to go down the same path as me. So by probably giving him away is the best, best father decision you can make, right? Yeah, they dealt with that. I mean, that's how good it is though. That's a great point. That's a great example of a scene or something that happens in that show where you even

Starting point is 00:29:37 probably have internal conflict on how you feel about it. Well, the data me goes hell no right away. But then the logical side goes, wait a second, if I have an addiction to killing people. If I'm that damaged and I'm trying really hard, I want to break the chain. I want to break the chain. That's a tough conundrum.

Starting point is 00:29:52 Well, for me, it's my own psychology, because I can, and this sounds fucked up, I can forgive the character for murdering all these people. And be like, oh, you know, kind of like them a little bit. Suzy drops his son off, though. I was like, fucking, you know, Jessica's like, what do you mean? You just guys, Murray's killing hell of people.

Starting point is 00:30:08 Suzy gets rid of his kid. I'm like, screw this guy. He should have brought him along for all this cereal kill. Raise him up. Teach him how to do it the right way. Earmuffs. We're gonna watch that tonight. So we'll see what happens.

Starting point is 00:30:19 Yeah, you have to watch. I mean, I like that with a show. Dude, I gotta tell you guys about my toddler. He cracks me up, dude. So I get texts from Jessica every morning about something else he's doing. This morning she goes to wake him up and he's laying on his hands

Starting point is 00:30:31 and he's looking at her and he's giggling. She's like, what are you doing? He's like, nothing. He's like, what are you doing? He's like, hey, hey, hey, and he pulls out his hand and he's like, bugger? I'm just like, what?

Starting point is 00:30:42 You had a bugger on his back. He thought it was hilarious. He's like, Yeah, I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry.

Starting point is 00:30:51 I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry.

Starting point is 00:30:59 I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. He now come like, like, she'll, like, Max wants to say, good night, huh? He'll come down the stairs, give me a big hug and kiss me. And then he, he wants me, he wants to see me go to bed also at the same time and like into my room.

Starting point is 00:31:11 All right, daddy, come on, you go to bed too. So I got, I got to pretend like I, yeah, so I come up and we're all the same and we're walking down the hall. His room's right here and then, and then ours is down the hall. He's like, okay, daddy, you go to bed now and mommy and I go to our bed. It could just like, no, no, no, no, this is not our bed because he's been getting up in the middle of the night. It's been a new place and like, you know, she'll take him back and a lot of times she'll fall asleep in his room and then stay in his room.

Starting point is 00:31:37 So that's happened enough times now. He's gotten used to mommy coming to his bed. So like he's saying, he says, good night. Tells me to go to my room and mommy and I go to our room. That's not yours and mommy's video. You sent of him in a Relious playing when we came over. Yeah, I loved it, man. Oh, you know, I told you they're similar. They're similar. They're similar little guys, you know, no, no, it was actually, there was a moment where I don't know if I say anything to Justin or not, but I actually thought I was hilarious. I'm like, there was a scene where Max and a Relious are like playing with the

Starting point is 00:32:03 Santa and they're all like quiet and doing their thing. And then Justin's two boys are bodice slamming each other. But if this isn't like our kids do a tea right here like this is hilarious. Like they're over there being all quiet playing. You know what I'm saying? The Justin's boys are like, slam, slamming on the lawn. Oh my God. Typical.

Starting point is 00:32:23 Yeah. I wish I would have caught that. That would have been a good clip of them. I got the boys. Yeah, Jessica works out in the morning in the garage and so she has to bring, and he's starting to like, lift things and mimic her working out. Yeah, you're getting so excited. Oh, I'm getting so pumped, bro.

Starting point is 00:32:37 I just want one, I just want one kid that's into lifting weights. That's all I'm not asking you. Oh, I still think that you're one. You're older ones, I still think that I mean, I'm still young. Yeah, look how late we got into it. I think like what's cool about being dads that are lifting even at our age and as consistent as we all do, like that's imprinted in their minds.

Starting point is 00:32:58 And so even if they don't adopt it right now, everybody at one point in their life, I don't care who you are, have a moment where, you know, eating gets out of control a little bit or you haven't been able to use your breath at doing so then you, and you have this, whether that happens in your teens, 20s or 30s, eventually that happens. Yeah, but what I mean is not that they'll start working out. I want one obsessed kid like that. That's all I want. I want one kid. I want to come home and I want a kid to be kid like you like me. That's all I want. I want one kid. I want to come home. And I want a kid to be addicted like you already did.

Starting point is 00:33:27 I want to come home and be like, son, you've been in the garage for two and a half hours. You need to stop. That's hilarious. And then like, no, you got to stop and then look at Jessica and be like, uh-huh. Yeah. He's crazy like I was.

Starting point is 00:33:38 I'm trying, I'm trying to promote that as much as possible with like, you know, the electronic conversation we had. Like I've been like literally dictator guy coming in with, you know, it's not just the jacket. It's, you know, you got your great career jacket. I'm gonna ask you about your Nazi jacket. Yeah. No, no, no, it's not that story. No, it's more like it's like, it's like, it's a Korean. Yeah. Like, King Jong-il. That's the kind of vibes I'm bringing in here today. But, yeah,

Starting point is 00:34:04 so I've been like, I've just taken away and it's been amazing, the transformation already. It's so annoying because you realize that's literally what it is. And I could pinpoint it to the amount of time just spent just glued to this thing. Yeah, me too. And I mean, they're helpful now.

Starting point is 00:34:25 Like they interact with us. Like we all do things of family-swish easier. Like the friction to go from one place to the other has gone down and I'm just like so annoyed by it. Yeah, do you notice that when you first take them off, there's like a, I don't know, 20, 30 minute period where they're just like, oh yeah, it's like we're gonna be abandoned off of it.

Starting point is 00:34:42 Yeah, and then you're like, all right, we'll gotta wait, wait it out. You'll feel better in a second. Right, I know. Yeah, you have to kind of like just yeah, calculated weight. That's so annoying. Do you think that, uh, do you think we feel that way because we already have a, a bias going into it or we already have our own, uh, fears and concerns around it. And so that we, we exaggerate those feelings that we see within our kids. Or do you think that a majority of people are just so naive to it because they're not paying attention?

Starting point is 00:35:11 And they just assume that, oh, my kids acting out because he's a kid, or my toddler is being a pain in the ass because he's a toddler and they don't actually ever go. I mean, that's a good, I wonder if like, right, I have, have I ever truly tracked and measured? This is my suggestion to any parents that are going through similar things or phases that we have is like,

Starting point is 00:35:32 maybe your kid's not, but it's worth teasing it out. And I've done it enough times because I've even questioned myself, like, oh, maybe I feel that way. I'm being a bit of an alarmist. Let me allow him to do it a little bit more. And I've done that enough times where I allow it and then take it away, allow it.

Starting point is 00:35:46 It's clear. Yeah, exactly, very clear. I think it's just like anything else, it's the awareness of it. Like, it's so easy to kind of go through the day-to-day things and just try and stay on top of whatever constant kind of disciplines and things you normally do. But things like that, that you can parse it out

Starting point is 00:36:04 and really examine it and look at it and test, do a little bit of it experimentation with it. Take it away, bring it back in, just see what happens as a result of that. It becomes pretty obvious. Yeah, the challenge is that this stuff hasn't been around so long,

Starting point is 00:36:19 so there's not a ton of data to back up what parents are feeling, but there is data to show now that kids who spend a lot of time occupied on electronics or whatever, they're not able to regulate their emotions as well because the electronics act as a distraction so the kid doesn't feel and process frustration, anger, boredom, whatever it is

Starting point is 00:36:43 because they're watching this thing. So when you take it away, when the, I mean they're watching this thing. So when you take it away, when one of the, I mean, if you'll notice, right, you take it away, especially from a little kid, they get irritable. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? It's because they're not processing their feelings

Starting point is 00:36:54 when they're on their distracted. You know what I'm saying is like, how many parents or people out there like need these studies in these books and all these things to determine these things for them. And so just using their intuition, just paying attention and consciously, like putting effort, to me, that's just annoying to me

Starting point is 00:37:13 because it's like there's always like some new method or some new book or like just be there, be present, like pay attention. Well, that was the thing that I learned from all this or the attitude that I'm trying to have going into it is really, instead of being upset or disciplined or structure around my kids, I'm really trying to take the responsibility as a dad, right? And be like, listen, I'm the adult in this situation. Of course, they love it.

Starting point is 00:37:40 If I was a kid, I would love the same thing too. I'd want to do it. Like, it's shame on me for like being upset that they would want it. It's my responsibility to try and insert other things in their life. And like, you know, which is, it's just, hey, it's hard. It takes discipline. We all, everyone listening probably are dads at work and work a lot of hours and are busy. You can become a better parent without becoming a better person. That's why it's older. Yeah. So it's not just about doing things. You actually have to become a better person. Like, that's hard. On a consistent, and it takes a lot of basis. Yeah. No, it's older. Yeah. So it's not just about doing things, you actually have to become a better person. Like that's hard.

Starting point is 00:38:05 On a consistent basis. And it takes more time to make this. Yeah, no, it's not as you need to talk about it too. Just to figure it out. And look, Justin, to your point, I have compassion for parents because there's so much conflicting advice and information and literally we're told not to trust or intuition.

Starting point is 00:38:23 We're told not to trust. Right. You know, what we think we're observing. And so as intuition. We're told not to trust. Right. You know, what we think we're observing. And so as a parent, you ever deal with like, talk like a new mom, especially new moms, right? Because you're a new mom, you have this baby. And there are, how many times they're told like, well, I mean, how do you feel?

Starting point is 00:38:37 Trust your intuition, trust your feelings. And they're like, I don't know what to trust. I don't know how to, what I'm supposed to do, what I'm supposed to feel. And then after they, you know, they get through it, they go, oh yeah, I was definitely on point when I thought my baby needed more food or I thought my baby, you know, something was wrong

Starting point is 00:38:50 or whatever, but you're constantly challenged and gaslit by people and doctors and other people's opinions. So it's like, I mean, I have compassion for parents. Yeah, and it too. And then you see that all change when the second kid comes and, you know, and like they've been through that, the unknown, and navigated through those waters. But I do feel like, to me, it's this heartening

Starting point is 00:39:12 because I just feel like there's just a lot of people out there that don't really listen to their own intelligence, their own way of looking at it. And we're just so bombarded with information and people trying to like have all these answers. Well, I mean, I don't think they really, I mean, think about it that much, right, because it was so new, right?

Starting point is 00:39:33 Like, I mean, you guys, you guys, you guys are older or so, when they first were born, it wasn't really, you maybe you didn't think about it, you know, I'm saying maybe you didn't, you maybe, and maybe what you only saw were the benefits. Like, oh, wow, this is nice. I get a little, like my kids are actually entertained while I get to do this. Like, it's not that much different from television.

Starting point is 00:39:50 And so I'm sure in their mind, they probably were just not, not thinking about it. You know what? I think that's exciting or optimistic is the generation now, you know, we tend to always harp on the, the young generation coming up right now and say, talk about all the negative things But one of the things that I think that's and it's been highlighted in studies and so with that is the level of self-awareness that the kids have the younger This generation coming up has and some of them are already police himself I mean no fat as an example of that you have these kids now that are buying flip phones instead of having it because they want it

Starting point is 00:40:21 So so they're they're tentatively, we you know, unfortunately, your, your, your sales oldest and yours are where at an age where it was kind of like in the beginning of it where now there's enough awareness around it that even these young kids are smart enough to see. Let them are getting on social media. Yeah, it's now because it's like, it's like a flex now as a, like a popular kid in school now.

Starting point is 00:40:40 It's like, yeah, I don't, I don't get on social media. So there's like, it's definitely changing. It went from like that was I don't get on social media. So there's like, it's definitely changing. It went from like, that was so focused, to be on social and to have an Instagram and to have all these things. It seems like there's kind of a shift happening right now where it's a bit of a flex if you don't, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:40:56 You don't need it. I don't need to be on social. Speaking of a family's and stuff, Chelsea Handler, I think that's her last name, she put out one of the saddest videos I've ever seen. Who's that? So she's that comedian, Chelsea Handler, I think that's her last name. She put out one of the saddest videos I've ever seen. Who's that? So she's that comedian, Chelsea Handler. Am I saying that right?

Starting point is 00:41:09 She had a show yet Chelsea Handler. So she did this video, so she's a 50, she's married to Joe Koy, I believe. You say what? Oh, really? The comedian. Oh, she married to him. Okay, so she's a 50 year old woman

Starting point is 00:41:19 and she always talks about how great it is to not have kids. Fine, you don't want have kids, that's your business. But she did this whole video about like, here's how my day looks. I wake up at 6.30 and I have an edible because I don't have kids and I get to do this. And to the whole day,

Starting point is 00:41:33 she says, how awesome, yeah, awesome her day is because she doesn't have kids. And I don't have to listen to toddler screaming and I went to Paris for lunch and I did this. And I'm watching and I'm like, this just comes across as defensiveness. You know that one person. Bro, the irony of that is that you literally just said

Starting point is 00:41:49 she starts her day with getting high. Yeah. You were literally using substance to disconnect for a reason, that's not a big enough red flag. Even more than that, you ever meet someone who they do something, but they have to talk about it so much. Of course, because you know that closing yourself. That's what that is.

Starting point is 00:42:05 You're closing yourself. It's such a, I watched, I mean everybody, we're all guilty of that. It pissed off a lot of people, right? There's a lot of parents on there like, oh God, you know, you're gonna be so lonely this and that. And I saw it more as like, I felt bad. Like you felt the need to make this video to defend yourself,

Starting point is 00:42:18 you know, like you're very defensive about not having kids, cause she did a whole stand up act and half the act was about that. Very sad video. If you watch it, watch it through that lens and you'll see it on time. Is it on Netflix? Where'd you see it on our TV? No, it was on Twitter.

Starting point is 00:42:30 She probably posted it on Instagram too. Okay, I'll look it up. Yeah, super sad. You're talking about substance. Why don't you do our, our neck commercial right now? Oh, I was going to talk about the brain blend. We haven't brought that up in a long time. That's my favorite, favorite.

Starting point is 00:42:42 We are, this is almost on my second bottle of it already. We've been pumping. Tell me that wasn't a home time. That's my favorite favorite. And we are, this is almost on my second bottle of it already. We've been pumping. Tell me that wasn't a home run. No, I do like it. I do like it a lot. Yeah, because you have the regular hemp oil blend, which obviously feels good, but that one, because of the focus on cannabinoids that improve cognitive performance

Starting point is 00:43:01 and the addition of things like lines main, which by the way, lines main, I have a study we'll post on the show notes. They have isolated the compound in Lines main that now they show, okay, this is why it stimulates nerve and brain cell growth. But nonetheless, it's in the brain blend. So they put the Lines main on their brain.

Starting point is 00:43:22 It has a very similar feel and maybe you can help me understand why as pure. Yeah, they've got like a new tropic kind of feel to it. Yeah, not in it. Not at all stimulant like caffeine or anything like that. Just clear, sharp, very similar as pure. Is it is there anything they both share in there? No, no, no, they both have different ingredients, but I don't think I've actually combined them yet. Oh, well, maybe I'll try that. I've talked about my language. Throw all together.

Starting point is 00:43:50 Try it, pre-workout. Do it an hour and a half before you work out, then 45 minutes before do your normal caffeine, and then watch how you feel in your workout. For body-parts focused workouts, it's phenomenal. For lifting crazy heavy, probably not. But if you wanna feel a muscle squeeze, and you wanna get a pump or whatever, it's phenomenal. For lifting crazy heavy, probably not. But if you wanna like feel a muscle squeeze, and you wanna get a pump or whatever,

Starting point is 00:44:08 it's actually pretty damn hard. I don't really work out in it. Pretty damn good. Huh? Stop. Yeah, it's getting too buff. I was like, yeah. It's a muscle thing all the way.

Starting point is 00:44:17 Making everybody insecure. Yeah, it's like, it's, you know, I'm tired of people feeling uncomfortable talking about nutrition around me. Speaking about, speaking of looking good, I noticed how nice and shiny your head looks and how nice and smooth. Are you putting the Caldera on it? I do.

Starting point is 00:44:31 It looks good. I do. It makes your head look really nice. I do the, I always forget all the names. What's the, the, everything. Well, no, I just do the, the serum, the serum is second, right? I use the, the first thing in the morning after I get out of shower I do the face cream and I like the way that feels and looks right away and then before we podcast I normally shine it up a little bit with the

Starting point is 00:44:54 I have some to ask so it didn't you bring up a study about it being able to reduce like Rinkle skin wrinkles. Yeah, yeah, because I was just talking to Courtney about that because she was talking about her friends, the Botox and all this stuff and like how they have these parties and whatever and all this stuff. Yeah, they do Botox parties where they like, all hang out and then the Botox and why? Those are super popular, you're not familiar with those? No, it's a total, a Botox racket, dude.

Starting point is 00:45:21 Yeah, like a racket. It's like, I was actually trying to like, hey, maybe we can hustle this because she's an nurse. I, like, it's like, it's like the I was actually trying to like, hey, maybe we can hustle this because she's a nurse What's the angle here? I would make a bro that's a serious side hustle dude, especially since she's a nurse my pump Botox party bro They did me a by got an email. It's like they're like those they're also like MLM style like they do like those candle parties and stuff like that So nurses that who administers the Botox of the parties? They're like, yeah. So it's somebody that is, I guess, like, it's pretty,

Starting point is 00:45:50 you don't have to be like a nurse. You just have to be underneath a doctor. So you gotta be some kind of like, so I mean, it's like MLM stuff. So you get under, yes, you get, so underneath a doctor, I don't know these experts, but you get under one of them, right? And then now you can host these parties.

Starting point is 00:46:05 Then I have these parties, I invite my 10 girlfriends over, we sit down, we gossip, we do our thing, I have our wine, and then we all shoot each other with Botox, and every one of those things are cost of money, you're making a little bit of cream. So what's the pro version of this? I was just gonna say I'm getting. Here's, this is so interesting because

Starting point is 00:46:20 I've heard of parties like this for women for candles. Candles make up sex toys, like lots of different things. Guys don't really do that. Do we? No, we just have pokernaut. Why don't we do that? I don't think we buy things.

Starting point is 00:46:33 We don't plan things well. We don't buy things or we're sold differently. You know what I'm saying? I don't think it's the same thing. Yeah. Maybe, maybe. I'm not, okay, let me put it this way. Maybe someone just hasn't like shook it up like that.

Starting point is 00:46:43 I'm gonna like, unless you end up at some dudes' house and they're transselomone a V. Yeah. Oh, you asshole. Well, that's what I'm saying. Imagine you went to, like, imagine I invited you guys over. I'm like, oh, and by the way, guys, we're gonna do,

Starting point is 00:46:54 I don't know, we're all into, I don't know. We're gonna do, we're gonna have a great team part. I don't know. And you guys should have. Maybe that's why, because guys don't have team party. Like, okay, I've seen candles, I've seen sex toys. I've seen the bow talks What is it that we would do in common? There's not even a thing right first of all all of those wouldn't work Imagine a sex toy party with your buddies. Hey guys come over. I'm gonna show you guys some yeah

Starting point is 00:47:16 No, I mean I could I actually I can actually see that more likely than almost anything else I mean yeah, I could next party. I mean I get with your could- A sex story party? I mean, I could- With your buddy? Of all the things that you could think of that we would do, I mean, let's, okay. You're the guy who orders one like every month. No, I'm not saying so. Stop trying to take this spotlight off your screen.

Starting point is 00:47:35 Hey, no. I just say I go to a sex point, but you've already sold yourself, I gotta do, hit this button on the sap, wrote down. Yeah, see, you're already into all the cool toys anyways. And if I had a party at my house, we had some beers and stuff like that,

Starting point is 00:47:47 and I'm like, bro, I've got all the cutting edge sex toys. I'd be like, I'd look at Justin, be like, it's kid the fuck out of your bro and I. Wow, I hope those doors are locked. Yeah. That is lies. Justin might not show up, you would be there. No, I wouldn't.

Starting point is 00:47:59 You would be the first one. Here's the deal. Sex toy market for men sucks. Yeah, but you're right. Yeah, but you're right. But you're not, yeah, but you're buying a pair. No, hold on a second. There ain't no sex toy better than a guy on his own hand that he could do for himself.

Starting point is 00:48:11 That's just the fact. Fact, 100%. True. Women, they definitely get, for now. Oh, that's a, I'm telling you. Maybe we get virtual goggles and we go ham. Did you hear, I would get a control. Did you guys see the, Hey, go try the sound, Justin. Yeah, you know, did you hear, did you guys see the, hey, go try the sound, Justin.

Starting point is 00:48:27 Yeah, you know, no. Did you guys see the Jordan Peterson clip talking about AI and pornography? Yeah. It's, it's kind of be kind of crazy, right? Yeah. You remember me telling you guys, I said, what's gonna be really dangerous too,

Starting point is 00:48:38 is that there's gonna be a massive push in the positive side of all that. I know. Remember, like I was telling you, because depression is so high that- That's so all the other stuff. And anxiety is so high that what you're going to see, I guarantee, we're going to see this, you're going to have, oh, here's a person, here's a group of people that suffer

Starting point is 00:48:55 from anxiety and depression. And because they have this, you know, AI friend slash, you know, it was a sex partner, whatever. Yeah. Wasn't it the movie her that like, it was so it was sex partner, whatever. Yeah, wasn't it the movie her that like it was so it was yes their psychologist basically like the therapist Yeah, constantly talking about the program to make you feel good. Okay, now here's now here that'll be a debate and discussion But here's where it's gonna get really crazy because remember it's not a real person

Starting point is 00:49:20 Where are the lines gonna be for marriage and stuff like that? No, just forget that. Right. Oh, no. Forget that. Oh. What if there's a, here's your virtual sex partner and you can murder them. You can rape them. You can, they look like this. They look like that.

Starting point is 00:49:36 Are there going to be any lines? Are people going to be like, wait a minute, you can't do that. That is a, that is an under the wall. There won't be initially, but then they're eventually will when we start to give it like real rights like humans and it gives and like you can marry your sex robot. Well, that's going to be weird. You know that's going to happen. I know. Of course, that's going to go that direction.

Starting point is 00:49:54 Indeed. The tried of course is the guys. Yeah. There's there's a guy that first the market. Well, you know what? You know what? Peterson was talking about, which was such a good point is this like, because I know there's probably a lot of people. Uh, I mean, even when I talk to a trainer like, oh, really, I'm like, you know what, you're thinking like a woman right now, that's your problem.

Starting point is 00:50:09 You have to think like a man. And a man, that went over a woman. Yeah, never, it never goes over when you start off like that. Are you man spainting me right now? Yeah, so, no, like guys are superficial like that, where it's about the, and if it can fool you enough to look real enough, like that's all it matters.

Starting point is 00:50:25 I mean, let's be honest, uh, um, strip clubs are in business and no guy, okay, is under the impression that they're coming home with them. But yet we still go and spend all kinds of money and tell ourselves that even though we know there's nobody, nobody goes to strip because those are different. Yeah. It's like, you don't care. You don't care. She likes me. Yeah. You don't care. You don't care.

Starting point is 00:50:45 She likes you like me. Yeah. You don't care. I got her number. There's always, there's always, there is always that moron who actually thinks that maybe he has a shot or whatever, or that, oh, it's me, she really, okay,

Starting point is 00:50:54 there is a percentage, but they would be at a business if they relied just on that percentage. They're in business because a majority of them still go, knowing damn well, they're not coming home with anybody. Yeah, but, but women would just be fooled differently than men, you know, it would be more, I mean, if it's smart, it would be more compassionate, it would listen.

Starting point is 00:51:13 And just be a constant compliment machine. That's why I said affirmations all day long. You're so kind. You look great. No, that's too fake. Did you do something with your hair? No, dude, I agree with him. All the things you're saying are terrible at like, he never tells me how good I look. He never tells me. You guys are radiant today. Did you do something? No, dude, I agree with him. All the things your husbands are terrible at like, he never tells me how good I look. You guys are radiant. Did you guys ever watch there was a,

Starting point is 00:51:29 was it the Chappelle show? Might be the Chappelle show where you could rent a guy for your wife to do the stuff you don't want to do? Like, he has sex with her and the guy shows up in hugs her afterward. And they're cut a little bit. There's the cut like the spooning after a few years. Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah, that's messed up. Dude, speaking of stuff, that's messed up. This was a relatively, as I'm like a few years old, but I found this article,

Starting point is 00:51:53 did you guys know that they potentially have the technology to erase your memories? Well, that's not scary. Yeah, did you know that? You're talking like men in black kind of look into this pen. Like they don't need any technology for me. That just tends to happen naturally. Yeah, this is, forget shit all the time.

Starting point is 00:52:11 Just hit me in the head, two times. Just because they have the opposite cell because I give that to you. Yeah. No, they've done it with animals where an animal go through a maze and they can target the memory. So it's not like the animal forgets everything and becomes amnesiac.

Starting point is 00:52:27 They can target the memory so that the animal then forgot the maze. And so the way that they're selling is like this could be an amazing technology because you could... Like for my trauma. Get rid of life. Wow. Now I can see the market for that being better. Is that better or is it better? No, it's not better.

Starting point is 00:52:42 No, of course it's not better. That's exactly the question. No, it's not better. Because your body is still like. That's exactly the question. No, it's not better. Because your body is still like, okay, so how much of that do they take into account in terms of like what they talk about stored memory within your body? Well, let's just theoretically say they could erase all of it.

Starting point is 00:52:56 Are you then the same person? Would you be the same person or without your personal? No, it's of course not. Adversity, you know, that creates your character. Imagine that. What know that that creates your character. Imagine that. What was that movie with a eternal sunshine of the spotless mind?

Starting point is 00:53:10 Do you ever watch that? Is that the one with Jim Carrey? Yeah, I never have. You guys brought that up a long time ago and I actually never. It's so I'm gonna ruin it for you. Cause you probably won't watch it. I'll ruin it for you.

Starting point is 00:53:19 Go ahead. He meets this girl and they just fall for each other and it turns out here's the spoiler. So if you don't want to spoil their fast forward, it turns out that they had fallen love before and broken up and it was so devastating that both of them agreed to have their memories erased. But then they happen to run into each other again

Starting point is 00:53:38 and fall in love all over again. And then they, and it's how crazy is that? You know what? There has to be, maybe Andrew could live the track. There has to be a spoiler alert. Like, you know how there's like the seven-second roll of food falls on the ground, you can eat it after, if you can eat it,

Starting point is 00:53:53 if you can get, is it five or that's seven? But anyways, you can eat it right, if it's five seconds, it goes 10 or longer, you can't eat it. Yeah, whatever. Back to where you get your turn. There's gotta be a timeframe for spoiler alert that it's spoiler alert, because if it's a year old movie,

Starting point is 00:54:05 it's no longer spoiler for it. You're like, you're full of Apple for not watching it. But there's gotta be, for you, I shouldn't be sharing anything with you, because that's just dropped, right? Really like a week ago, right? There's gotta be like a unsaid rule

Starting point is 00:54:16 that it's considered spoiler alert if it's within the first month, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's, that should only be for those types of movies or shows, where they're, they're trying to reveal like a M night Shyamalad kind of a twist. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:31 Yeah. Like a twist where it's like super unexpected. Otherwise, like tough. Do you like to make to market? There's got to be like an unsaid rule somewhere. Just like you're not really in a relationship until it's on Facebook. You know what I'm saying? Until it says like in a relationship, you're not in a relationship. Like, there's got to be an unsaid rule. Blair Witch Project, though, like, they should have gone as long as possible, because like, people really believed, like,

Starting point is 00:54:52 that it was real. And it made it like, and I, somebody ruined it for me right before I went into the theater, and it was like, oh, yeah, this was all stage and all this kind of stuff. Like, really? And then I watched it, and everybody else was tripping out. Then you're a magazine, yeah, this was all stage and all this kind of like really? And then I watch it and everybody else was tripping out. Then your mag is like,

Starting point is 00:55:08 you're shaking this camera on purpose? Yeah. It's a bullshit. I wanted to believe. Oh, that's sad, dude. That's so sad. So, ready for some fun conspiracy theory stuff, Justin? Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:55:21 I am always ready. Do you guys know what harp is? So this is the weather Altarine technology. Yeah Look the stuff and it's HAA RP. Is this where they do the jet streams that everyone used to say is like causing stuff Isn't it like seating? You know, I'm talking about clouds Really, you know, I'm talking about that. That's been a conspiracy forever where you see all the jet the jet the jet streams. Oh, they make the white. Yes. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. So Harp stands for high.

Starting point is 00:55:56 You know, the molecules. It's not a country high frequency active or oral research program. So basically what it does is it blasts certain frequencies of I'm not quite sure what, but it brown note. It's a brown note. What does that say Andrew? Regional purpose to analyze the ionosphere and investigate the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for radio communications and surveillance.

Starting point is 00:56:21 Okay, so technically, technically, this, technically, this technology could change, could affect the weather. And here's the conspiracy theory. If you shoot it into the ground, it'll aggravate the ions enough to work a trigger massive earthquake. volcanoes and earthquakes. Yes.

Starting point is 00:56:42 Really? So this big conspiracy is that harp is a weather control super weapon. And we could fuck with countries by blasting their, causing earthquakes and tsunamis and shit like that with harp. You never heard of that? No, I'm sorry, dude. Yeah, I mean, it looks like it's a fair game at this point.

Starting point is 00:56:57 It looks like it's been around since 1993. It's been around for a long time. That's when it was. Well, I thought, because I thought this was responsible, maybe it's a different technology for a cloud seeding. That's when I was thinking about that. Well, I thought, because I thought this was responsible, maybe it's a different technology for cloud seating. That's different. What's the thing I'm talking about with the streams? What's that that's called something?

Starting point is 00:57:11 Oh, that's a, a, a, a, a, a, a second-spiracy theory. It's a, so that's like up in Alaska. No, no, no, you see, when you see, remember when you know when a jet flies and it leaves like, oh, you're talking about, Kim Trale, Kim Trale. Kim Trale, yes.

Starting point is 00:57:23 That's what, yeah. So that's not, no, that's not real. That's uns Trill. Yes. That's how you, yeah. So that's not, no, that's not real. That's unsubstantiated, yeah. It is, yeah. You sure? The car is real. I watch some pretty good YouTube videos.

Starting point is 00:57:32 There's, yeah, that's the thing about the YouTube videos. But yeah, it's, there's a lot of people still think that because they think that it's some way of control of like, again, if you want to go globally about all of the conspiracies and what they all have in common, it's anything in everything possible to make us weaker. Like psychologically, physically, scared. Yeah, just scared in a press. And so like anything in that direction, like so that would like fall into chemically controlling The way that we like have all these toxins and all these things were fighting

Starting point is 00:58:11 Chemical castrate us. Yeah, so the reason why I'm re about heart or heart popped up is it was that huge earthquake And I think it was turkey one of the worst you guys see about here about this terrible terrible earthquake six point Yeah, that's amazing. Oh, oh wow. Yeah, maybe you could look it uprible, terrible earthquake. Six points. Yeah, that's amazing. Oh, wow. Yeah, maybe you could look it up, Andrew. Terrible. Terrible earthquake. And then there's all the conspiracy theorists and like, well, Turkey just opposed another country's joining in to NATO and everybody, although Western nations were pissed off about

Starting point is 00:58:39 it and then there was film. Wow. And so this is unsubstantiated. This is just, again, this is fun conspiracy theory corner. So this is not, you know, don't take this seriously. But there was film of, apparently one of the signatures of harp is strange electrical disturbances. Okay.

Starting point is 00:58:56 Because of how it works, it creates this crazy looking lightning. Yeah. And apparently there's film of that happening, like, t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t- when we had those rains and when all of a sudden we had fire. Actually, it wasn't even rain, right? It was just an electrical storm that we got hit with and all of a sudden now we got like the craziest fires California ever had. What about, I was up that night

Starting point is 00:59:36 and you look over in the distance over this mountain and you could literally see all these sporadic like lightning storms and I'm like, where did this come from? Like where does this generate out in the ocean? And there's no rain and there's barely any wind. It's just purely electrical. Yeah, so this is weird.

Starting point is 00:59:54 Yeah, so this is again, this is all unsubstantiated but this video is apparently we're showing like this weird looking light. Did you guys see the one where in Rio where Jesus got struck? Yeah, yeah. Did you see that? That looks the in Rio where Jesus got struck? Yeah, did you see that? That looks just statue. Yeah, that looks wild.

Starting point is 01:00:08 It would be picture. It's a super, super, super picture I saw. I was like, I didn't know if it was real. You know, at dinner with my aunt and uncle last night, we were actually talking about conspiracy theories and sharing stuff online. And it's like, we're quickly moving into a time where I'm always hesitant to share

Starting point is 01:00:25 or show somebody something because I'm now, my default is its fake. It's rare now and that's only gonna get worse as all these like, these fake trust and media now, it's crazy. Yeah, so is that gonna be a thing in the future where it's like, if someone said you something, like you automatically default, it's not real.

Starting point is 01:00:44 Like you better prove you need to have, that's not a good thing. If someone said you something like you automatically default, it's not real, like you better prove, you need to have X amount of things across. That's what that'll increase. Increase tribalism. Because if everybody, because then you only trust people in your group. That's right. And then whatever they say is what you're gonna trust,

Starting point is 01:00:55 unless it comes from that source. I know. You don't trust it because anything can be deep fake, anything can be fake news. And so, it's a weird time. Yep. It's a really, really strange, strange time. Today's shout out is going to be to Ryan Mickler. Oh, yeah. We love the guy. He's got a great podcast.

Starting point is 01:01:12 Good person to shout out right now because we've been talking a lot of fatherhood stuff. And I think that he has, he has some really good conversations. In particular for men and fathers, I really like Ryan's. I remember when we first met him and we all liked him. Yeah, he's a great guy. So his Instagram is at Ryan and then Mickler's M-I-C-H-L-E-R. Let's go check him out. All right, check this out. Go to mphormones.com and see if hormone optimization

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Starting point is 01:02:02 This is both for men and for women. Go check them out. Go to mphormones.com, see if it's right for you. All right, here comes the show. Our first caller is Jennifer from Ontario. Hey Jennifer, how can we help you? Hey guys, how are you? Good, good.

Starting point is 01:02:19 Thank you so much for having me on the show. And I'm really excited to just get on started with my question. So I am 19 years show and I'm really excited to just get on started with my question. So I am 19 years old and I resisted and trained five days a week and I'm trying to bulk my weigh 120 pounds and I've been eating at a caloric surplus for months on end now and my maintenance is 1800 and or like 2000 and I'm currently eating 2600. I barely gain any weight in all I've noticed

Starting point is 01:02:46 is my body fat percentage is going up while my muscle mass percentage is also decreasing. So my body fat percentage used to be 16. Now it's 24. Is this a problem with my nutrition or training? Also, I have scoliosis, so I can't really do the main compound lifts like barbell back squat or dead lifts and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:03:10 Oh, okay. Now, you're eating 2600 calories, you're hitting your protein targets, I'm assuming. Yeah, I eat 130 grams of protein. Okay. And then in your question that you sent us, it says you're working out five days a week. Yeah. Okay. It's probably a training problem. I'm glad you told us you have scoliosis because I would have recommended a MAPS and a BOLC, but knowing that MAPS symmetry is perfect for you.

Starting point is 01:03:33 Your programming is probably off. That's probably what's happening. You're not sending the right muscle building signal, either you're over training or not being effective. And so those excess calories are just going to body fat. So what I would do is I would have you switch to something like map symmetry and I would cut your calories a little bit. I'd bring them down to maybe 2400 calories

Starting point is 01:03:52 and then take it from there. See if your strength goes up and how your body progresses. By the way, how are you testing your body fat percentage? How do you know it went from 16 to 24? Well, I have like my own scale at home. I know they're not like super accurate. I've heard at least, but yeah, I do that. Are you consistent with the time that you use that at and that you're not fed first thing in the morning?

Starting point is 01:04:13 Yeah, that's what I do when I wake up. Okay, okay, good. Yeah, so it's, I mean, it's accurate enough to tell you you went in the direction you don't want to go. So that's, you know, this is almost certainly a, what is your training look like like you say five days a week Do you have a a type of training like that you tend to train like like how would you how would you classify? the way you you train

Starting point is 01:04:34 Like I used to train a lot like I'd say to failure and then I was listening to you guys and you said It's honestly more beneficial to do like two reps and reserve and stuff. So now I do that and I've noticed like I'm getting stronger in the gym, which as before I was like plateaued for a long time. But now as I'm getting stronger, I'm like getting more body fat percentage, but also I don't notice any weight on my body when I look at myself. It's just according to the scale. Wait a minute.

Starting point is 01:05:05 What has your has your body weight changed? No, not at all. Wait a minute. So your body weights stayed the same, but your body fat percentage went from 16 to 24. And you got stronger. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:18 That makes no sense whatsoever. So it's the bioelectric impedance that's on your scale that you kind of step on and that's reading you for giving you a body fat reading? Yeah. Oh no, no. Yeah, that's way, that's something's off there. If you're stronger, your body weight is the same and you've been working out in protein targets

Starting point is 01:05:39 and your scale saying you went up 8% body fat while your body weight stayed the same, which means you lost a ton of muscle at the same time. That does not make any sense. Have you been measuring your waist and like circumference measurements at all? I did, but I haven't like updated that so. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:57 But according to her, she says she doesn't notice that she's gaining any inches. Yeah, I mean, yeah, a lot of this does not add up as far as as you gaining that much body fat percentage. I wouldn't think that you've gained that much at all, especially if you you notice strength. You don't feel like you've put on any body fat. You're way to stay the same and we're getting stronger in the gym. I mean, these are all signs you're actually probably doing pretty well. So that combined with maybe, you know, Dude, she would have had to gain,

Starting point is 01:06:27 she would have had to gain some life. Yeah, like 14 pounds of body fat and lost 14 pounds of muscle. That's not happening. There's no way, while you're lifting weights and getting stronger, there's no way your measurements are off. Yeah, and I mean shifting your trainings

Starting point is 01:06:39 definitely gonna make an impact. So, you know, what I guess we're trying to dig into is like what you tend to lean towards. So, was that like a lot of reps you determine whether you're getting stronger or have you gone to like really low reps and like just adding progressively, adding weight as like your main focus? Um, for me, I'm usually in like the eight to ten rep range and then I also just like heard of what you guys said. It's better to switch up your rep ranges

Starting point is 01:07:06 every like three to four weeks. So now just recently I've been doing like 12 to 15 to 20 reps right now. Okay, so you're gonna, you're gonna benefit a lot from symmetry. Symmetry. And get rid of that scale. If you're gonna get your body fat percentage tested,

Starting point is 01:07:22 I would use, I would have a trainer, either test your body fat, do underwater weighing, or here's an easy way to do it. Every two weeks, take a picture of yourself at the same time, wearing the same clothes or whatever, just for yourself, and then you can adjust it from there and you can see what's going on. But this does not, and there's no way you gained,

Starting point is 01:07:43 what is it, 13 pounds of body fat, lost 13 pounds of muscle, while getting stronger and working out. That doesn't make it. Scale not going on. And the scale hasn't changed. It doesn't make any sense. It actually sounds like you're in a pre-dinger. Sounds like you're kicking ass. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:56 I'm doing well. I mean, how do you, how do you feel other than the scale telling you that? I mean, how do you feel? I feel good. I just feel like I haven't gained any muscle, but it also just could be because I look at myself every day. Yeah, but also keep also factor this in, right? You are in a surplus. Okay. So you you are eating more calories. You're going to be filled out more. Your bite isn't a hold a little bit more water. And so sometimes because and you're in a bulk, right?

Starting point is 01:08:25 So we're not trying to get lean right now. It may look as if you're not building a bunch of muscle and you don't really notice that until, let's say we go into a cut. So I would actually stay the course. I think you're doing really good, follow symmetry. And then maybe after a month or two, we go for a little mini cut.

Starting point is 01:08:41 And then I would judge how much muscle I've put on or what I look like based off of that, because that alone is gonna distort what you think right now. You increase your calories by 600, 700 calories. I mean, you're definitely holding more water and you've got more carbohydrates in your body, so it's gonna look different. So, Jennifer, give me an example of the strength gain

Starting point is 01:09:02 that you've experienced. Can you give me an exercise of like a specific exercise with the weight that you started and then what you're at now? So, um, so hip thrust, maybe I do like a four I've been stuck on maybe two forty five or two fifty five around there. Now I can do three fifteen for seven reps. Jennifer, you're kicking ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:24 Yeah, you're throwing your scale at the window. You're, it's totally wrong. You gain, yeah, you know what happened? I'll tell you what happened. You gained muscle and lost body fat. It's probably what happened. If your weight is the same on the scale and your strength went up like that,

Starting point is 01:09:38 you've probably done the opposite of what you think. You probably gained muscle and lost body fat. And I think you, and the only reason why you don't really see a huge difference is to the point I was making you're eating some calories. I bet you go on a mini cut for like two weeks, I bet you would reveal your hard work

Starting point is 01:09:53 that you've already done. Yeah, and the fact that you're so young and you're going in this direction, like you are setting yourself up very well, young lady. This is really good. 2600 calories, body weight staying the same. You're getting stronger. Hip thrusting, 315 pounds. I mean, you're going through a bulk. It could be just fire commendable. You are kickin' ass. Yeah, so I, you know, okay, so check this out.

Starting point is 01:10:16 Aside from having like a more accurate body fat test, you can use circumference measurements. Just make sure you measure the same places. So I like to do upper thigh, waist, and hips. Those will be the three places that I would test. Strength is also an objective measure. And I say objective because we can be we can really be misleading with ourselves when we look at the reflection of the mirror every single day. And it's subjective. It's not very objective. So wait on the bar or the dumbbells or reps or circumference measurements so long as you're doing them exactly the same. Those are objective and those will tell you you're doing the right thing.

Starting point is 01:10:52 But if you're stronger and your weight is the same, you can pretty much get your training towards muscle building and fat loss. Also do you think I've been in a surplus too long? Because I've been like really like, I guess you get stuffing my face for like a long time now, maybe like over six months. So I'm just like, you know, easy. Does it feel like you're stuffing your face? Do you feel like you're just like, oh, I can't eat anymore? Yeah. I mean, I think you would, I think you'd benefit from a little mini cut.

Starting point is 01:11:20 Yep. Run a little two-week cut. Yep. Run a little two-week cut, drop back down, what you'll see, I think, is I think you're gonna see how much what you've done. Yeah. I think right now you have your hard times. When you think we're down to like 2100 calories. Yeah, come down to like 2,000, 2100 calories for two weeks. And that's it.

Starting point is 01:11:37 Follow the programming and then just see how you look, how you feel after that, and then I'd go back to my bulk again. Okay. Yep. All right. Yeah. Keep us posted too. You know what I tell you what, let's throw you in the forum. I like having young people that are kicking ass already inside there. It's good for us. My old guys,

Starting point is 01:11:54 just to show that there's some young people that are listening to us. Yeah, right. My kids don't listen to me, but someone else, some other young people. Yeah. All right, Jennifer, we're gonna put you in the forum too, but we're gonna send you map symmetry. Follow, but we're gonna send you a map symmetry.

Starting point is 01:12:05 Follow that program, okay? Yeah, keep us posted. Thanks, thank you so much. You got it, thanks for calling. I love, I love, love, love when we get a kid, especially a young girl on the right track at that age. Kelly. This is when shit can go sideways.

Starting point is 01:12:21 This is when, when I train people in their late 20s, early 30s, it's usually around late teens where they go the wrong direction. Then they come see me as a lot of damage that we need to recover from. But she's, I mean, 2600 calories. Yeah, she's living in a surplus.

Starting point is 01:12:36 And she's comfortable eating that much. She's comfortable getting stronger. She's focusing on strength. Like what a phenomenal mindset to be in at that age. Yeah. She's gonna set herself up very, very well. It gives me hope when I hear that. Hopefully, you know, saying the generation coming up doing things like that,

Starting point is 01:12:49 like you just, that's not, you don't see that, that, you didn't see that that often 20 years ago when we were trying to people. So that's awesome to see. Our next caller is Tori from Colorado. Hi, Tori. How can we help you? Hi. I'm good.

Starting point is 01:13:03 How are you guys? Good, good. We're doing great. Good. I'm a. How are you guys? Good, good. We're doing great. Good. I'm a new listener. I started listening this last summer, I guess, and just can't get enough. So thanks for all that you do.

Starting point is 01:13:12 Thank you. So I finally bought a New Year's bundle package, or I finally bought a package. And it starts with the anabolic. And a little bit about me, I guess, I'm five, nine. I'm a chronic over cardio person. I started working out 20 years ago with the Body for Life program.

Starting point is 01:13:34 Did you guys ever remember that? Of course. We've heard a lot about them, man. Ha, ha, ha. So, six days a week, I have literally worked out six days a week for the last 20 years. I fell in love with teaching spin, step aerobics, all that stuff, and always wanted to look like a bodybuilder.

Starting point is 01:13:51 But now I'm realizing, well, obviously I was doing way too much cardio, like all the time. So anyway, I've cut that out. I'm not doing any cardio. And I started the endabolic. And one of my goals is to build a big butt. I'm a classic or chronic flat butt person and I'm a little perplexed on the anabolic. I feel like I don't know, two things. It's only doing one leg exercise. I'm doing advanced, so three days a week and the other one is like the shrugs.

Starting point is 01:14:26 I haven't done shrugs like ever. And so I didn't know if I should be substituting that part out for like female figures or not. So I kind of have two parts of this question, I guess. All right, so let's address first, maps and a ballock. So maps and a ballock is a general muscle building and strength building program.

Starting point is 01:14:45 And the lower body exercises include the various variations of squats and deadlifts. Now, you can definitely add hip thrust in there and you would be totally fine. Shrugs are in there because strengthening the shoulder girdle for people who are getting into that kind of training and strengthening is important. Nonetheless, if you wanna take them out, you totally can.

Starting point is 01:15:08 It's not gonna hurt you. And I would say you could definitely add hip thrust to your program. But there's another piece of this Tori because I'm gonna make a guess here that being a chronic over cardio person, and I worked with a lot of people like you. In fact, you remind me of a lot of the instructors that would work with me and my gyms.

Starting point is 01:15:25 I'm gonna take a guess here that you also are challenged with not eating enough, or you probably dieted or cut a lot. If you wanna build a butt along with the right exercises, you gotta go on a bulk. You gotta really go on a bulk to make that happen. And allow your body fat to percentage, even come up a little bit.

Starting point is 01:15:44 If you're sub, if you're sub 20% body fat, I would say go on a bulk And allow your body fat to percentage even come up a little bit. If you're sub, if you're sub 20% body fat, I would say go on a bulk and let your body fat come up a little bit as well, because that'll feed the muscle growth as well. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So you do think since my goals is to build the, the glue muscles that adding another, and what like adding another another leg or butt exercise would be good and what would that look like? Would it be the four to six sets, one to four reps? So it would follow the same, it would follow similar sets and reps as the other exercises

Starting point is 01:16:15 in the phase that you're in. On the days that you start your workouts with your dead lifts or squats, which actually would be every foundational day. I would start with hip thrust and then move to those exercises. I'm not going to completely disagree, but I like the challenge people to follow the program as laid out first. I think somebody that's coming from lots of cardio, borderline, maybe overtraining on a lot of things would benefit greatly from just falling anabolic and trusting the programming through the first round.

Starting point is 01:16:52 And then at a point. And then the second time you go around, I'm not against maybe adding potential, but many times somebody that has over trained for most of their life ends up seeing huge benefit by scaling back the total volume in the program. And it may be because, but as your focus, I would put some emphasis on things like priming the glutes before you do the squats before you do the dead lifts.

Starting point is 01:17:18 Like that would be the way that if I was adding anything, I would be like, okay, Tori, before you do squats, we're going gonna do some floor bridges on the ground, and I have some YouTube videos that I've done, clips of for building your butt. I don't know if you've looked at them or not, but on YouTube, we've done some stuff like that. And I would put some emphasis on that, just making sure that you're connecting well,

Starting point is 01:17:38 the glutes, it's firing well, but actually really following the program, the way it's laid out, and trying to get strong as hell. Like that's the goal. Let's get strong in all these lifts, and do the calorie surplus, like Salisang, and kind of trust the process.

Starting point is 01:17:53 I believe you will be surprised by just trusting it. Oh yeah, drop the traps. The traps are not a big deal, if you drop some of the shrugs. Yeah, I just want to piggyback on to what Adam's talking about in terms of my experience of people who have been sort of doing the same type of routine for so long and not really incorporating

Starting point is 01:18:12 these compound lists because of the systemic effect that this provides your body for like a louder, a lot louder signal to build muscle, you may end up actually building a lot more muscles as result in your legs and it may not look like the volume of legs is that high, which we get a lot of criticism from that initially, from people that haven't gone through the program exclusively as it's laid out. You'd be very surprised.

Starting point is 01:18:37 And this has been the experience of a lot of women, especially going through animals. Yeah. If your squats are going up and your deadlets are going up is definitely, it's most likely going to build along with that. Both the exercises are very glute, heavy. So, I mean, you know, Adam and Justin are saying, is on point. Do you know how many calories you're eating a day, Tori? Do you know where your macros are in calories? I would say around 22 to 23. Okay, and you, it sounds like you're guessing it. Do you track or is this kind of like what you're estimating? Well, I tried to track most days So then you go out to eat or my husband makes like this hamburger bacon thing and I didn't measure it all out

Starting point is 01:19:16 And so then I just you know, but I have been trying to increase like in breakfast You guys said like try to get 40 50. Yeah, So I'm guessing I do pretty good with protein. Eating is not something that I really lack in. Again, so much cardio, I've had the habit of bad eating for years and then just making up for it with cardio kind of thing. Do you know what your body fat percentage is at, Tori real quick?

Starting point is 01:19:41 I'm gonna say around 22, it's been a while since I've had it. Okay. Yeah, try and be in a surplus while you're doing this and and get stronger. If you get stronger, and you're in a surplus, you're going to build your butt for sure. I really make sure to we're hitting the protein consistently every day. Every day, you know, I don't know if we've if you got your weight list or your weight listed in this question or not, but every day trying to hit the one-to-one ratio to where your current scale is at right now. Because even when you have those days, when you eat out, just at least make that a priority.

Starting point is 01:20:14 Maybe you don't know exactly the calories because you went to a restaurant or whatever, but at least be paying attention to how much protein did I get and be very consistent with hitting it every day, day in and day out. So that's probably the main thing that I would would stress with the nutrition. Uh, and then just I trust the program. I really, I think that you, I think if you follow it all the way through, I think you'll be, you'll be pleasantly surprised at the end of it. Okay. So and then I just have a question because I did watch those YouTube videos where you say like fire the muscle with those thrusters, the frog thrusters, and the single length. So like, do I just see that one time before I know I'm going to do squats and then I do

Starting point is 01:20:52 all my squats or every single set? No, just one time before, unless you're still like, like, so let's say you were kind of mind, I get you down, we do some of those those frog pumpers, or we'd do some floor bridges, and then I take you into squats, and then what I'd be asking you as your coach, our coach, did you feel that, and you're filling your glutes when you're doing it? And you're like, yeah, yeah, oh, I do.

Starting point is 01:21:13 Okay, good, we're just gonna keep going. But if you did a set of your squats, and you go, I still don't fill in my butt at all, then I probably have you get down between sets, and do a few of them to feel it again and then go back So really trying to get you to feel it in the butt But that's really what the idea of the priming the glutes before you go in those exercises is really just to make sure you feel it So as long as you're feeling it and if you can feel it just from doing one or two of those sets before that's plenty

Starting point is 01:21:39 That's all you that's all you need then then focus on being strong and adding weight Okay, well, and I'm one that suffers, I've thrown out my back, my lower back, probably a good five times from running childbirth, whatever. So when I actually, when I do squats, sometimes it does kind of hurt. And so I've been hesitant to load a lot of weight now and in the past and so forth. So for somebody who suffers with lower back, should I just, you know, kind of don't fight the pain, but still focus on doing lower body squats,

Starting point is 01:22:14 just lower the weight or still push that weight. Which is a good thing. Anytime we say push the weight, it's always within the context of perfect form and pain free. So if your back is hurting, I wouldn't add any weight. I would add tension, I would slow down and squeeze more and make the exercise feel harder, but I wouldn't add weight.

Starting point is 01:22:33 You know what, Tori, do you have maps prime? Or symmetry. Yes, symmetry would be. It might be in that bundle I just spot. I don't know. Okay, if you have primes, start priming your body according to the compass, that should help with your low back. I want to do more too.

Starting point is 01:22:49 I actually want to give, I want to put you in our forum. I want to put you in our forum and then what I want you to do for me is I want you to video yourself squatting and post it in the forum for us and tag us. That way I can look at what's happening and maybe be able to point something out to you of why you're filling it in your low back and we can address that. And then we'll be more specific with,

Starting point is 01:23:14 you know, is it Maps Prime that will help you more? Is Maps Symmetry gonna help you? Is it a small queue? You do corrective exercises for a while. That's right, that's right. Is there always a queue that I can give you that will fix the forum and technique. So send that, or get in that forum as soon as you can for me.

Starting point is 01:23:30 Give me a shot, a video of you squatting, and then let's go from there, and then we can decide. And other alternative, when I have somebody, if we do end up having to do some corrective work, like Justin saying, sometimes I might sub out, barbell, back squats for like Bulgarian split, yeah, goblets or Bulgarian split squat stance. And that way we can load it and you feel safe, and it doesn't hurt your low back. So there's options. There is definitely options, because I really want,

Starting point is 01:23:54 like for you to get the benefits of this, and we want to grow our ass, like that's the plan here, and you're coming from the type of trend you do for getting load is something I really want to do. That's my goal. And if you're hurting, then I wanna figure out why you're hurting and address that so that we can load the weight up because that's where you're gonna really see the gains in the butt when you start to really load the exercises. So, I'm gonna guess it's a core issue

Starting point is 01:24:17 because you did mention childbirth or having children. I'm gonna guess it has to do with your core, but we'll know better once we see you squawk. Okay. Yeah, I don't have a lot of ankle mobility and I'm kind of wobbly going up. And so, yeah, I probably, even though I think I'm spot on with form, it's maybe, yeah, maybe that's key. Yeah, let us see. And we might move you over to symmetry first before we do that. That's what it's starting to sound like to me. So let us see before we, you know, start throwing too many guesses at you and making it, making this question worse for you. You leave going, well, shit, now I feel like I know less than what I did when I go before. I will let you in the forum so we can take a look, Tori.

Starting point is 01:24:57 Okay, and also my trigger sessions, should I focus more on lower body when I do those? Sure, sure, sure, sure, that's fine. Yeah, yeah. This would be a great place since the bodies are focused, doing like the frog pumpers and floor bridges. That would be great for trigger sessions. Yep, just get a little pump. Two blocks. Yep. Okay, all right, cool.

Starting point is 01:25:15 One last question, pre-attained. Yep. So is this, I've been on and off with that through the years. And then I feel like I'm good at taking it on my workout days, but not good on my off days, is it extremely important to take it every day and or maybe if I'm in a deficit, do I focus on taking it then?

Starting point is 01:25:39 I don't know. Crating, you take all the time. It's always got benefit. So it's got cognitive benefit, health benefit, muscle building benefit, indirect fat loss benefits. You want to take it on an everyday basis. Okay. So it doesn't hurt though if you miss.

Starting point is 01:25:54 No, it's kind of hurt. Once you get it, you know, the Crate team levels up in the system, but just try to take it every single day, you know, try to find a time during the day that you can take it consistently I mean the best time to take it as post workout But if you take it first thing in the morning every day, you're totally fine Okay, because the packaging says take it 30 minutes before your workout No, you know and honestly with creatine back to Sal's consistency point The best time to take it is when you will consistently take it. So that doesn't matter when it is.

Starting point is 01:26:25 Because it's all about getting the levels up in your system. It's not like the research supports, it's best taken after a workout. But we're talking about splitting hair difference. If I had a choice that you hit it after your post workout on the days you work out and then you miss it on your off days or you took it every single night or every single morning, I would rather than every single night or every single morning. That's right. I would rather that every single night, every single morning,

Starting point is 01:26:45 you'd get more benefits from that than you would be making sure you do it every workout but then you miss on your off day. So whenever you know you would be consistent about taking it, take it during that time and you'll see the most benefits. Okay, so like you get that creatine is something that you guys take every single day,

Starting point is 01:27:02 regardless what's going on your big advocate for that then, or do I really even need it? No, I mean, first off, you don't need it. So it's not like, but it's the most valuable performance supplement on the market. That's it. Aside from like, like, essential nutrients,

Starting point is 01:27:18 like if you're lacking an essential nutrient, aside from that, Crating has so many benefits, it's not just a muscle building supplement or strength supplement, it's now a well-documented health and wellness supplement. You're gonna start seeing it advertised to everybody for all kinds of different reasons.

Starting point is 01:27:35 So it's good for you. The only people that need to be careful with Crateen supplementation are people with compromised kidney health. So unless you work with a nephrologist that is like watching your diet and your protein intake and like, oh, don't eat that. Don't eat like you're other than that, like everybody should take rating. Even I even and I'm not going to say this to everybody else, but I even

Starting point is 01:27:58 think it's at some point going to be given to children. Interesting. Yeah. Okay, I'm at my 15 minute mark. Do you have time for one more question? Sure. Territory. Get your money. Get your money. Get your money. Work girl. Three peat. Okay. So it's in regards to eating before I work out. So again, for 20 years, I got up, had a cup of black coffee and I do cardio and then, you know, work out workout and so I am never hungry in the morning that's when I go workout is at 5 a.m. should I really try to get something in my stomach? No, it doesn't matter. Mm-hmm. How are you fine? Because I don't feel a difference when I eat versus if I don't eat.

Starting point is 01:28:37 Yeah, you're fine. How much cardio are you doing right now? Well right now zero. Okay, okay, okay, okay, that does, that does, okay. You work out a five a.m., like you're, yeah, I don't need, I don't need till nine a.m. And I work out around six, 37 a.m. Yeah, you're good. You're fine.

Starting point is 01:28:51 Okay, awesome. I love that answer. Okay. All right. Thanks, Story. Thank you. Bye bye. All right. Yeah, I like, I like what you said, Adam. That's, you know, I didn't even think of that. That's 100% true.

Starting point is 01:29:02 Coming for where she's coming from. Yeah. Like, like just getting stronger. That's 100% true. Coming for where she's coming from. Yeah. Like just getting stronger, she's gonna gain muscle. And adding volume, she's probably already pushing the intensity anyway, knowing her, you know, her tendencies. So yeah, I'm glad you went that direction. Yeah, I mean, I want to see her form, so it'd be really interesting. So I hope she gets in the form.

Starting point is 01:29:22 I hope she posts and tags so we can look and solve that issue because the one thing that will hinder her from building and growing her butt is if she can't really load and it doesn't mean we can't slow it down and do isometric and do some other things. But man, this type of person who is circuit, cardio, go, go, go, type man, being able to do anabolic and get strong in your squats, get strong in your deadlift, which means loading the bar

Starting point is 01:29:50 and getting, like that is going to translate to the most gains in her glutes. So hopefully we can address whatever breakdown in the form or issues that she's having so she can actually feel safe and comfortable loading the bar. Our next caller is Molly from Virginia. Hey Molly how can we help you guys? So happy to be on right now. Thank you so much for having me on. Yeah. You got it. Of course. All right. So I guess I'll get into my question. So my question is regarding

Starting point is 01:30:22 it's very body building-esque. So I'm a personal trainer, love fitness, that's all great. But my wedding is coming up and I don't know much about manipulating all the little tiny variables. So sodium intake or water intake and how that can make you look a little bit fluffier or watery and how to properly do sessions leading up into it so that way you don't have any excess inflammation and look kind of

Starting point is 01:30:51 puffy. So I want to basically be an aesthetic goddess on my wedding day. So I'm going to ask you guys how I can go about doing that. I love the honesty. How long do we have? What's what's our timeframe here? So from now we have about four months almost to the day actually four months in a day. Oh wow, we can do a lot. Yeah. Well, okay. So are you at the are you at? Are you at the body fat percentage and weight and all that stuff that you want to

Starting point is 01:31:18 be at? You're just asking for that. Now, okay. Yeah, not right now. So I still have about, my guess is about 12 to 13 more pounds to go until I'm at probably the ideal body fat percentage. I'd like to be high teens low 20s, ideally. And right now I'm 25%. Okay. Now Molly, before I let Adam, because Adam's, he's, he's going to be the best person to answer this because he, he competed in bodybuilding and he knows how to peak and all that stuff. Before I let him answer, you know, the vast majority of how good someone looks is accomplished way before you do any type of car or sodium manipulation.

Starting point is 01:31:54 In fact, that makes almost no difference unless you start to get really lean. So the biggest, the biggest biggest thing is going to be up until then, right? Like getting leaner, doing it the right way, building muscle, sculpting your body. And then the biggest thing is avoiding foods that you know cause bloat and inflammation. And you probably know what those foods are for you. Those two things right there will get you 98%

Starting point is 01:32:19 of the way there. The other 2% or 1% is gonna be what Adam's gonna talk about, which has to do with like water, sodium, and all that stuff. The other 2% or 1% is going to be what Adams and talk about, which has to do with like water, sodium, and all that stuff. Yeah, I'm going to give you a just very specific generic answer that I think will add value, but the main thing is this is what I want you to do. One, I want Doug to put you in the form if you're not already in there, so you have access to that.

Starting point is 01:32:43 Two, I want you to diet train as if we're not even thinking about peak week, but getting lean for your wedding day. And then literally the week before you head into your peak week or wedding week, you let me know where your macros are at right before that. And then we can manipulate them before that final week. The one thing that I would say to do from now until then, so we have a lot of room to manipulate is keep your sodium up. If you don't use element T, I would just, I would recommend using one to two packets of

Starting point is 01:33:18 that for consistently all the way through. That way we keep your sodium high and that when we do potentially manipulate that, we're not doing it in an unhealthy way. I'm not asking you to go no sodium and I'm not a fan of that at all. It's essential and it's important. And so you don't need to cut sodium as hard as everybody thinks.

Starting point is 01:33:41 If you train your body to take in high sodium, leading in to peak week, you can reduce to a normal healthy level and you will get some of the water pooling effect that people want. You kick up some asparagus in there and then we manipulate carbohydrates, three or four days leading up to the wedding day

Starting point is 01:34:01 and then load you up with carbs that morning of the wedding and you'll achieve this bodyer trick that you get. But like Sal said, right now is, now till then is everything. Like if I, if you slack off for the next month because you have so much time, that will make a greater difference than the best peak week advice I could give you when we get down to there. So right now is the real challenge. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:28 And Molly, I want to, you know, also, have you ever been to a bodybuilding or figure show? Have you ever been to any of those shows? I've never been to a show in person. You know, I can live vicariously slightly through social media, but that's about it. Okay. Here's why I'm asking you this. Okay. Same because the women look terrible. They look horrible. So that's about it. Okay, here's why I'm asking you this, okay? Same because the women look terrible. They look horrible.

Starting point is 01:34:48 So here's the deal. When you're on stage and they're judging your physique, they're not looking at your face. They're looking at your muscles and the definition, whatever, if you look at those competitors in the face, they look like they're dying, especially the women. They don't look healthy. So you want to look good in your wedding pictures.

Starting point is 01:35:04 If you get down to like 18% body fat, if you try to get too dry by sucking out too much water out of your body, your skin's gonna look bad and you're probably gonna look five years older. So it's not, I wouldn't approach it with, I would go with like 30% of the aggressiveness that a body builder would, I wouldn't even go close to what they do because it's not going to look good. You might have more definition in your biceps and your quads, but you're not going to look healthy. You really want to look on your wedding day.

Starting point is 01:35:35 I'm assuming you want to look healthy and vibrant. So, the whole water manipulation, sodium and car manipulation, you might drop a few pounds of water, but that might make you look more tired and less healthy, not necessarily better, right? So that was the other thing I didn't tell you. I'm sorry that I should have told you that too is to keep the sodium high, keep the water high too. So make sure you're making sure you're drinking a lot of water right now. Yes.

Starting point is 01:36:00 Galno day, keep the sodium up all the way through this entire time. And then when we get to the week before, you can literally hit me up and let me know where, and if you told me where your macros are at, where your water intake is at and you've been consistently doing like the element T, like I'm saying, I literally just tell you, cut out the two packets of element T, I would tell you to reduce the water intake. I would tell you to take your carbohydrates down by about 50% for the four or five days leading up to the wedding day and then the morning of, I would car-blood you. That's kind of what that's a generic idea what it would look like.

Starting point is 01:36:32 Yeah, should I play around at all within these next four months to see how my body aesthetically responds to, okay, if I have carbs on this day, what does my body look like the day after? Or if I go low carb, does my body look better? Or is it pretty safe to say that I should just drop carbs no matter what for to five days before and then load right before? Here's why you should test it out,

Starting point is 01:36:59 not because of how you look, but rather because of how you feel. Some people drop carbs, carb load, and they get gastro issues. I'm sure you don't wanna be bloated or have diarrhea or whatever on the day of your wedding, right? So that's why I would test that out, is to see how you feel.

Starting point is 01:37:14 And look, I'm gonna be very clear here. Bodybuilders look terrible. If you see them in person, they look terrible. We look at the pictures of their muscles, but I don't think, are you getting married in a speedo? You know what I mean? Are you gonna be flexing? You're gonna be up there in a wedding dress.

Starting point is 01:37:29 You wanna look healthy. You wanna have good energy. Bodybuilders like the walking dead. So are figure competitors and fitness competitors and bikini competitors. They have no energy. You're gonna be interacting with people. You'll be up there with your husband.

Starting point is 01:37:41 Like honestly, I would worry zero about peak week. I would worry 100% about just getting leaner up until then. That would do everything. Yeah, I mean, like I said, the you kind of slacken off and not being consistent in the next two or three weeks will make a bigger difference than the best peak week setup I can do for you in that way.

Starting point is 01:38:03 That doesn't mean that I don't appreciate that. I mean, being completely transparent, like I utilize these techniques to go to Vegas. Like once I learned how to manipulate this stuff and I knew I was gonna be pool side in two or three weeks, like I knew how to make my body look better when I hit the pool at 9.8. Yeah, but it wasn't like competing where you just had to

Starting point is 01:38:24 pull your leg. You're8. Yeah, but it wasn't like competing where you just had to pull your leg. No, you're dizzy. No, right. No, and if I wanted to look my best, it would be the work that I did leading up to that. Yeah. So that's really where this is going to be done. But that doesn't mean that you can't manipulate and play some of this.

Starting point is 01:38:38 And we would play with the carbohydrates, we would play with the water and take, we would play with sodium. But you would not need to do it, and you don't, a lot of body builders Don't do this correctly. This is it. This is an area of you know, uh, Lane Norton had dispelled this a long time ago When I first started getting a body, but in fact, that's how I found Lane was talking about water and sodium manipulation and how body a lot of body builders Do this wrong a lot of them just they they they overp pull and they put too much stress and emphasis on that, and a lot of times their body responds negatively to it because, which of course, because your body

Starting point is 01:39:11 needs sodium, it needs water. These are important things, so it's a very fine line of how much you want to fuck with that. Try and do achieve this. Look, many times, you know, guys and girls will do that, and they end up looking worse. They look better in the week before, with their, with their, because your muscles are set, you know, made up of mostly fluid. So you could manipulate everything, draw a water out of your body and look more flat and flabby.

Starting point is 01:39:35 So, you want to pass out up there. Yeah, and, or dizzy, right? Which is why I want you just to stay the course and do the things I told you, and then the week before, where you're at would dictate what I told you to do. I wouldn't do something drastic. It would literally, like I said, just drop the LMT packets. It would be reducing the carbohydrates by a certain percentage for a few days leading up.

Starting point is 01:39:59 Then the morning of, I would refill your body up with some carbohydrates so it fills those muscle bellies up. That's basically what I would refill your body up with some carbohydrates, so it fills those muscle bellies up. That's basically what I would do. I wouldn't want to put too much emphasis and stress on the sodium and water because we could end up, it could end up backfiring. Yeah. Yeah. No, that all sounds good.

Starting point is 01:40:16 I guess another way I could have phrased is like, what should I not do right before the wedding to come in looking soft? So, that makes a lot of sense. And I do plan, I mean, I've run pretty hardcore cuts before. And sometimes I end up looking a little bit skinny fat-ish because I do lose some of that muscle fullness. So I started taking creatine.

Starting point is 01:40:40 I will add in the sodium. But I guess the goal is to kind of still look lean and toned, if you will, in the dress and not have that kind of skinny fat look that sometimes I would get when I lose some weight. Because I am not going to get shredded. I already know that and I don't want to. Yeah, Molly, don't have anything radical too. Like the week before, the days before,

Starting point is 01:41:04 because it could affect you negatively. So I would say, you know, get yourself fit, healthy, you know, stay the course. And then the week of, I would just avoid foods that are inflammatory. I would eat things that make you feel good, give you good digestion. That's what's gonna make you look the best.

Starting point is 01:41:21 It really is because you could, and a lot of competitors do this. They eat in ways to look the best, it really is because you could, and a lot of competitors do this. They eat in ways to look the most shredded, but those ways make them look the least healthy as well. They end up with really bad skin. If you've ever seen like bikini competitors look at their skin, they break out hormone imbalances, and yeah, okay, they're shredded, but they don't look healthy,

Starting point is 01:41:40 they don't look good, they don't look like, I'm sure they wouldn't want to look like that on their wedding day, so. So, you know, it really, that's, I would be the thing I would focus on, like stay hydrated, eat foods that you know affect you well, that you had digest well, don't add anything radical, don't do some crazy that you think might help because it may affect, it may backfire. What, Molly, what, what program are you following one of our mass programs yet? I'm not currently, I am doing it like a very modified maps,

Starting point is 01:42:07 anabolic program, and I've kind of spread it out over four days, took off some volume. So it almost, it has the same idea and it's phased very similarly, but I'm right towards the end of that, and I'm still kind of in a gray area of what I want to do afterwards. I've ran maps strong, and that's, that was a lot of fun, but my only complaint is my traps were like up towards my ears. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Strong to do that.

Starting point is 01:42:33 Which is probably great for all the guys listening or even girls who want large traps, but for me it was like a little bit too much. So I don't, I would probably want to run something. I still like full body, but I haven't made a final decision on what I wanted to do afterwards. Or aesthetic. You want to try, well, which one do you want? Mapsistetic or Maps Symmetrics. I think both programs will be good for you. So this might help you guys answer this because I'm not really sure. I've looked in a map, but I have a pretty busy schedule.

Starting point is 01:43:07 And four days a week is a good, consistent level for me, but I kind of have other life stressors. So I do try to keep the workouts relatively lower intensity, not in the workouts, but just as an overall feel is I'm not hitting volume really, really hard. Just because I can over train relatively easily with other stressors. So that's what kept me away from maps aesthetic because I have heard people say like it's a lot of volume and I don't want to really over train. I like symmetry then. We're going to send you symmetry.

Starting point is 01:43:44 Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you so much guys. I appreciate that I've been really curious about that one too as a personal trainer I wanted to get it to use on my clients So I'll be happy to have it for myself and for them. Thank you and congratulations on your upcoming wedding. Yep. Thank you So much guys. I really appreciate it. Have a good rest of your day. You got to I'll tell you guys a story where this mess me up. So I had a jujitsu tournament, my first tournament coming up,

Starting point is 01:44:10 what that I had coming up and I thought, oh, I've never hard loaded. I've never depleted in loaded. Cause athletes will do this too, right? And they're in athletes. So I did and it was a radical change. I chose foods that I normally don't eat. And I ended up giving myself gas-ro-ish shoes.

Starting point is 01:44:27 The day of the tournament, which obviously, obviously, backfire, right? No pun intended. So, but I mean, look, it's funny when someone says, how can I use the techniques bodybuilders used to look better on my wedding day or on this photo shoot, or whatever, unless it's like a physique photo shoot, like you're not going to look better, you'll look worse.

Starting point is 01:44:46 They all look terrible. I remember the first time I went to a bodybuilding show and it was my buddies and I went backstage and you look at them in the face and they just look like they're all dead. So it's not a healthy look. Everybody's laying down and just hungry. I mean, I get it because I could take right now,

Starting point is 01:45:04 like let's just say, I ripped my shirt off right now, like, let's say, let's just say I ripped my shirt off right now, took a photo of myself with the way I've been eating for the last week. And I can manipulate what's going on in my diet over the next four or five days to make that picture look different, to make it look better just by playing with carbohydrates. Yeah, but think about how much you know about your body. I mean, she's also a trainer, right? Yeah. And it sounds like she's also a trainer, right? Yeah. And it sounds like she's already built.

Starting point is 01:45:27 How long did it take you though to figure this out for yourself? Like, you know to the gram. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no question. She sounded like an experienced lifter. She's a trainer herself. She understands she's not trying to get crazy peak week, but hey, I know that there are some things that I can do with water and salt and carbohydrates to manipulate what does that look like. And really what that looks like is consistency heading in. Like, and not, I don't mean that

Starting point is 01:45:58 just because the training and dieting will make the biggest difference, but also knowing, right? Like, so that's why I just gave her generic advice of add two packets of element, tea, keep your water and take up there, keep your carb up there, carbs up there, and then when we go to that week, we don't dramatically shift all those things. Dropping the element tea packets, that's not going to be a big deal because she's going to get natural sodium in her diet, so she'll be okay there. Taking her water from a gallon to a half or a quarter, is that still a lot more water than the average person takes, she'll be totally fine.

Starting point is 01:46:27 You're providing her levers to be able to manipulate a little bit. Yeah, yeah, but I would never go like to a person who's like, not dialed in, not doing it, and then be like, hey, let's, Cause you know what's gonna happen, right? People are gonna listen to this and be like, oh, that'll do the, that'll do for me.

Starting point is 01:46:39 Yeah, that's not the biggest. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. Going down 5% body fat is way, way more impactful than doing any of that stuff right there. And it doesn't make a difference unless you're lean anyway. You know, if you're, if you're not sitting at a lean body fat and you manipulate those things,

Starting point is 01:46:52 it doesn't make that huge of a difference. No. Our next caller is Jordan from Canada. Jordan, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi guys, how's it going? Good, how are you doing? I'm good, thanks.

Starting point is 01:47:04 I'm gonna go ahead with my question here. I've been training pretty constantly for over a year now. I've gained a lot of muscle weight and I've gained a lot of extra weight in my lifts and everything except the bench press. And that's what's frustrating me the most right now. I've tried a lot of different things, different grips, different kind of workouts to adjust to it. And what I've noticed during my bench press is that my triceps usually seem to get fatigued pretty fast before I even feel my chest.

Starting point is 01:47:37 And the other thing that I've noticed too is that I feel like my shoulders take a lot of the weight off my bench so I don't feel it as much. I seem to have stronger shoulders. So I don't feel like my chest really has a chance to reach its full potential if it keeps going like this. Okay. I already see it. Do you see it? Do you see his examples? You wrote down some examples. You actually incline dumbbell press more

Starting point is 01:48:01 than you flat dumbbell press. Is that right? Yeah, exactly. Okay, bro, this isn't you. If you ever heard us talk about why we use beginner, a lot of times we will teach the incline press for beginners more than flat bench press. Have you ever heard us talk about that? Yeah, I've heard you talk about it.

Starting point is 01:48:18 So the reason why we do that is because in the incline bench, it naturally sets the shoulder girdle in a more optimal position to maximize using your chest. And so that's why what I'm going to speculate, why you are stronger actually, is because your technique is better on the incline than it is probably on the flat. On the flat, your back is probably flattening out and or your shoulder gruelo is slightly rolling forward, which is also why you probably feel a lot

Starting point is 01:48:50 in your shoulders when you press. And this is a technique. A technique. And your setup is gonna play a big factor into this. Do you want a bigger chest or do you want a bigger bench? I'll go with chest. I mean, I just... All right, well, you got to press like a body builder then.

Starting point is 01:49:06 So, that's why I asked that question. So, you definitely want your shoulders retracted, pin down, okay? But you want your elbows flared out a little bit, and I want you to focus on the action of the chest as you press. Don't worry about the weight. If you want to build your chest, don't worry about the weight. Worry about the action of the chest through the movement.

Starting point is 01:49:24 And what the chest does is it brings the humorous into the center line of the body. So the elbows are going to be a little bit more flared out than what a power lifter would do when they press. Okay, priming is going to be huge here. Yeah, and deep dips to address your fatiguing triceps in terms of getting those stronger, is going to play a big factor in that

Starting point is 01:49:43 and also allowing you to to set that shoulder girl in a good position. I'm searching right now to see I know I've done some videos on our Mind Pump TV channel. Do you follow the YouTube Mind Pump TV? Do you follow that that channel? No, I've seen a couple clips on it. Okay. Okay. Do yourself a favor and go on to the MindPump TV channel. Search, chest tips, or five ways, here's one right here. Five ways to grow your chest. And we break this down pretty well. So I'll, because an old video, all three of us.

Starting point is 01:50:14 There's quite a few videos where we talk about getting yourself in that position to really use the chest. And I think that Maps Prime would be a great program to send your way and making sure you're doing a good job of priming before you get into your bench press or dumbbell press so that we're activating and using the chest more. That would be, are you following any Maps Provers right now?

Starting point is 01:50:40 Well, I have Maps to strengthen. I used it for like maybe two months and then after that I just I fell off there. Couldn't keep going. I need to be a bit more disciplined with the programming. I just tend to stick to this. That keeps me going back to the gym. You know, okay. Yeah, I would love to see you do. I actually would love to see you do maps power lift and and give him maps prime and prime before you do the lifts. I know it includes that in in the program too and follow like power lift. prime before you do the lifts. I know it includes that in the program too, and follow like power lift.

Starting point is 01:51:07 What do you guys think? I mean, that'll get his bench up, but he's having trouble feeling his chest. So, but it'll definitely get your bench press up. Yeah, I know, Justin mentioned the dips earlier, and that's another thing that I found strange. I'm really good at doing dips, maybe, it's because my body weight's not very high,

Starting point is 01:51:23 but I feel it in my chest in that case and like my chest will My triceps won't give out before my chest when it comes to dips. Have you done weighted dips where you lower your reps substantially? I know oh, yeah That's the move do you do you see you know sets of 16 deep real deep even last four, you know get get get heavy load That'll be that'll especially if he never does that yeah yeah load load load the dips up don't really help your lockout too but just like get one of those change belts or something yeah yeah that'll be a worthwhile investment for you I think that's great advice and then I think taking the the movements and prime

Starting point is 01:52:02 for your chest I think is going to benefit you the most. So priming before you go into any bench dumbbell, any chest exercise ahead of time is going to benefit you. Even if you're not following one of our math programs, of course, I'd rather see you follow a math program be consistent, but you being consistent going to gym is even more important than that. Yeah. Yeah, I seem to stick to the exercises that I enjoy doing that way. I keep going back. I have trouble sticking to a program. That's for sure. That's that's common issue. Yep. All right. Well, thanks for calling in. Yeah. Thanks a lot, guys. Take care.

Starting point is 01:52:38 You got to. Boy, it was back in the day. It was bench press was the exercise. Wasn't it? Everybody wanted a bigger bench, you know? But you know, he said you want to build this chest, and you know, there is a difference between getting a bigger bench press and just trying to build a bigger chest. There's definitely a lot of crossover,

Starting point is 01:52:57 but you can get a bigger bench press and not necessarily really activate the chest more. It's because your technique is different, your leverage is better. Bodybuilders do really good chest, you know, bench presses, right, to try to activate the chest. So. I mean, this, to me, screams like the classic example of somebody with just, they're letting their shoulders roll forward. Yeah. I mean, he's, I think he's a whole setup issue. Yeah. If I could see his technique and how he's applying it to the bench, I think that would make a big difference.

Starting point is 01:53:26 Yeah, which is what, and I know Powerlift is a Powerlifting program to increase your bench press, but the technical aspect. Yeah, there's a master class in there that shows you how to set up for the, I mean, I just think he would benefit from all those things. Like, if you just get in, get out of there like a young guy doing bench press and you don't have like this, you know, sequence of things you do to get ready to get in the bench press, everything from priming, to how you set your arch up, to how you retract and to press the shoulders. If he's not doing those steps and he just gets in and does it, and then the shoulders take

Starting point is 01:53:58 over the movement, this is why. Yeah, the key points that he kind of brought up is that, you know, his shoulders were taking a lot of the brunt of the lift. And so, you know, to be able to kind of divert that a lot and open up and get your chest to kind of respond more. So then your shoulders was is a crucial step. Yeah. Look, if you like my pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com. And check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram, my pump Justin.

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