Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2018: How to Reduce Cardio Without Putting on Body Fat, What to Do if You Lack Stamina During Lifts, the Best Way to Incorporate Isometrics Into Trigger Sessions & More

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Starting point is 00:02:16 plus the free e-books. All right, here comes a show. Lifting to failure is too much intensity most of the time for most people, unless program it right and then it's pretty awesome. I'm so glad that we we finally did this for everybody because the truth is I know that each of us use this technique within our own programming. But I also think that it's something that we rarely use it compared to how we used to use it all the time. And I think the reason why that's been our messaging since the beginning that you can get in the best shape of your life and never train to failure. We intentionally set out to help people move in that direction because we

Starting point is 00:03:03 knew that they would get more benefit from it, but that doesn't mean that there isn't value in utilizing it, but how you use it is so important. We think it's so good after it, man. Yeah, well, that's it. So the problem was, wasn't that there wasn't any value in it. The problem was that it caused people to plateau so hard, and because it does produce very rapid gains,

Starting point is 00:03:24 but then you plateau so hard that actually takes weeks to reverse out of it or it can cause injury. And so the issue was it just never was programmed right. Every program that include failure training, they couldn't solve that problem. How do we get the maximum benefits? How do we minimize the negatives?

Starting point is 00:03:41 And so for the last, I don't know, decade, since we had Mind pump, this was something that all of us have really tried to figure out. Because otherwise it was kind of by feel, right? Like you know your body, your experience, or your training client, you could see the progress you know, and you throw it in. But like, how do you program it so that it's scheduled? Besides telling people, if you feel good, throwing some sets to failure, because you know, that'll lead to just people overdoing it or underdoing it. Yeah. And, And that's with Maps and a

Starting point is 00:04:07 Balconadvance, that's what we kind of figured out is here's how you program failure and it seems to work well, very well, and avoid those plateaus when you alternate it every other week with volume training, which isn't to failure, and you throw in some D-load weeks and a few other things, then it's like it's amazing. Well that's always been the challenge for us is to come up with these sort of general guidelines and parameters because of all those individual variances all over the place to consider,

Starting point is 00:04:33 there's always gonna be somebody that benefits tremendously from maybe going a little bit further along and more excessive, or somebody that's way less. But in terms of like, every day average person, that's our avatar somebody that's way less. But in terms of like, you're everyday average person, that's our avatar, that's our person that we're trying to kind of steer. And so to be able to create a more intensified program, we had to really kind of consider,

Starting point is 00:04:56 how do we make this appropriate for them? Yeah. It's an incredible technique that has just been abused for several decades now. And I think a lot of the reason behind that, like the science came out and it's been out for a long time now, and the benefits of it. And then you had the, I don't know, the overglorification of it with bodybuilders making these intense height videos that I'm 100% guilty of falling into and loving to watch before I go lift

Starting point is 00:05:30 and then I go in with that mentality, almost every workout and seeing some initial results and then getting that confirmation bias that, oh, this is the shit, this is work and then becoming that kid who goes in the gym and lifts that way, every exercise, every set, every time I train. And then there's the other part of that where we start to attach soreness to effective workouts, thinking that, oh, the more sore I got, the more potential results I have, not realizing

Starting point is 00:06:01 how much I was overdoing. And in fact, that's probably the reason why I stayed in a hard plateau for so long. Yeah, one of the biggest detriment or, I don't know, issues I have with our space is that people, they divide themselves into camps and you'll often have people who are like, oh, it's about low volume high intensity training.

Starting point is 00:06:23 That's the way to train. It's like, no, no, no, drop the volume a little bit. It's, excuse me, drop the intensity a little bit. It's super low volume high intensity shrank. That's the way to trans, like, no, no, no, no. Drop the volume a little bit. It's, excuse me, drop the intensity a little bit. It's super high volume, right? This debate has been happening for decades by the way. I remember in the 70s, it was like the Arnold camp versus like the Mike Menser camp. In the 90s, you had Dornian Yates

Starting point is 00:06:38 who was the high intensity low volume guy, and then you had other bodybuilders who were like, like Lee Priest, who was like, high volume, lower intensity, that's the way to go. Really what's funny about it is you got to look at all these things like tools and all these tools are valuable if they're used right. So like if you work in construction, you could look at a hammer and be like, oh my god, this is the tool. I can do everything with it.

Starting point is 00:07:01 No, you can't. You can do some great stuff with it. But other things that doesn't work so well, other things you need other tools. So you want to look at all these different techniques that all have been shown to have value, either through studies or anecdotes and experience, and then say, okay, here's the best, here's the tools. What's it good for? What's it not good for? How do I program this properly so I can maximize its benefits and minimize its potential negatives? And when it comes to failure training, nobody did that. No, if you followed programs that incorporated failure, the entire program incorporated failure.

Starting point is 00:07:37 It was all low volume high intensity. You never saw them utilize different aspects of training, put them together in a way to where they complement each other, where one helps with the recovery from the other one and the other one sends a signal that builds muscle throughout the whole process. So by putting them together the right way, you actually maximize all of their benefits. Nobody does, it's always camp. There was a point I felt like it was almost competitive for people to come up with the craziest

Starting point is 00:08:08 experience the craziest workout program and they could possibly Make you go through and who like demoralized that person the most and it was like a Lot of coaches. I would just look at the the volume and the intensity and it was insane It was like, you know what what benefit was the person going through that actually receiving other than just getting punished? It's funny. If you look at like the muscle building space and you go, I mean, you can go all the way back to the 1920s.

Starting point is 00:08:38 Here's how it kind of morph, right? It went from full body, three day week routines, then that turned into somewhat kind of body parts splits. Then it turned into double split high volume routines where bodybuilders would, they would brag about how long the workouts were. I'm in the gym for two and a half hours twice a day. That was Arnold's era.

Starting point is 00:08:55 Then you had bodybuilders like, I only workout for 20 minutes. But I go to failure, four straps, four synagogatives. This was Mike Menser and his followers. I remember in the 90s, this debate happened again because in the volume crowd climbed up, right, with Lee Haney and all those bodybuilders of the 80s. And then again, you had Doreen Yates come out.

Starting point is 00:09:14 He wins Mr. Olympia and he goes, no, no, no, I only do like six, like five sets or six sets to failure, probioty part. And of course, everybody followed him because he was Mr. Olympia. There's value in all these things and it's not one or the other. It's not like if you train one way, you can't incorporate the other one, you can, you just got to know how to kind of piece them together because you can't do all of them at once, right? You can't do high volume and failure

Starting point is 00:09:37 and high frequency because you'll kill yourself. So the key is look at all of them, see how they work, how do I plug these pieces in so that they fit. And this was the puzzle that we, look, we started mind-pump eight years ago, MAP's in a ball at the first program was created 10 years ago. Over that whole period of time, this was something that all of us, through interviewing people, strength experts,

Starting point is 00:10:01 and coaches, and trainers, and bodybuilders, and experimenting. We figured this out and we put it in the program and we're still in the launch phase, I think, right, Doug? So people could still get it with us. Yes. Perfect. But we're already getting feedback and people are like, oh my god, this is so...

Starting point is 00:10:15 It would be fun to see the experience that people give. Yeah, because it's, failure is pretty cool, right? Because there's studies on, I remember before these studies came out, people were like, oh, high reps don't build muscle. If you do like 25, 30 reps, you're not going to build muscle. Then the studies came out and said, actually, if you do 30 reps to failure, it builds just as much muscle as 10 reps does because it goes because it's to failure. Then those studies came out.

Starting point is 00:10:40 Then there were studies that showed that, oh, failure training works great, but the volume training works great longer because the failure training plateau so hard. However, the failure training produces faster results when it does produce results. You got to take all these into consideration, plug them in, and then boom, you get phenomenal results. And what's cool about it, you mentioned soreness, the soreness you get from training to failure low volume

Starting point is 00:11:04 is different than the high volume lower intensity training. The soreness from the failure training happens a little later. What is that? I don't know. I don't know. It's really weird though. It is very strange. It reminds me of us trying to explain to the difference

Starting point is 00:11:17 of the way your muscle looks when you lift heavy weights versus the versus the hypertrophy pump look that bodies have. It's like, still haven't found the words to explain that. I just know I've been doing it long enough. I've seen it on enough bodies, including myself, to know it exists, but can't put words to what it is. There's something there also with the type of soreness

Starting point is 00:11:38 that you get based off of the type of lift that you're getting. Some with the mechanical stress for sure. You think it's that or do you think that can we actually feel potentially a difference in fast twitch, which is slow twitch fibers? Are you think you think it's the fluid, I think, too, of being able to move out the cells and to actively help kind of with the recovery and facilitate that?

Starting point is 00:11:58 You know, with that type of training versus like, you know, you're more like heavy loaded mechanical stress that you're facing. Yeah, I mean, we're speculating because there hasn't been really good studies on this, but the fatigue you feel is different, too. Well, when I would do the higher volume training, the, because like with, with anabolic advanced, I mean, this is part of the program. There's a lot more to it, but you alternate high volume, low volume, lower intensity, higher intensity, and then there's more to it, but the fatigue after the high volume training feels more, I don't know, muscular, whereas the fatigue after the failure training feels more central nervous system.

Starting point is 00:12:34 Like, because the failure training workouts were only like, they'd be like 25 minutes, 30 minutes, right, because it's low volume. But I mean, when Doug and I were first experimenting, both of us would look at each other and be like, dude, I was 20 minutes, but I feel like, man, I really taxed the shit out of me, but my muscles don't feel taxes,

Starting point is 00:12:49 my CNS feels taxed. Then you do the volume training. So it's really interesting the difference in how it feels on the body. So it's got to be sending a signal that's different. I was listening to, it was a Dr. Andy Galpin on Huberman, and they're kind of breaking down like delayed onset soreness and how he speculated that like, you know, we thought it was like

Starting point is 00:13:13 micro-tares and like the rebuilding process and all that and then he said, yeah, that's probably partially part of it but the majority of it he thinks is more of this, like sort of like an immune response to stress. And so like the, yeah, the amount of inflammation that you produce is, you know, it's individualized, but you're going to get more of a reactive response, you know, from your immune system, more so than just like, you know, the rebuilding process. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, actually. Yeah, it's interesting. It is interesting because, uh, soreness is such a poor indicate.

Starting point is 00:13:47 It's interesting to observe, but it doesn't really tell you. It's like the whole pain, you know, like perception, right? Yeah. Like how that varies so much. Yeah, because you could, I mean, if you know your body well and you have good programming, you will sometimes train a sore muscle. And I used to think you couldn't. I used to think, don't train a sore muscle.

Starting point is 00:14:02 It's a worse thing than possibly to leave it alone. So you sleep the best thing, yeah. And then I learned later on, don't train a sore muscle. It's the worst thing you can possibly do, leave it alone. So you sleep the best thing, yeah. And then I learned later on, like, training a sore muscle sometimes, like, amplify the whole body. Yeah, but how you do this so important. That's it. Because that was the mistake that I made

Starting point is 00:14:12 was thinking that, like, oh, then I'll just, I'll just train through the soreness. I need the crap out of it. But then I'm still pushing to that same level intensity when you are training to facilitate recovery, the mindset is completely different. It's almost like they're totally different work. I mean, even if you're doing the same exercises,

Starting point is 00:14:28 the approach is like it's completely different. And you have to be able to make that switch, which is difficult to do, because you get into this way of training and you kind of marry that philosophy. And then no matter what day you're training, you try and approach the lifts like that where you have to be able to weave in and out of it if you're really trying to maximize

Starting point is 00:14:49 your results. Speaking to that, it's better to have structure to your programming and to weave in and out before you hit the plateau because what people tend to do is they tend to smart people tend to do this. Dumb people tend to do is they tend to, smart people tend to do this. Dumb people tend to do something different. So dumb people just keep going through their plateauing and then they start to hurt, then they overtrain, they just keep pushing. Smart people wait till they plateau and then they switch.

Starting point is 00:15:15 Really smart people, programs for the plateaus don't happen. So you're ahead of it. Yeah, you're ahead of it. So you switch up the programming before you see a plateau and you end up avoiding those plateaus or making the plateau happen much later. So you get one of the things that you've set on the podcast

Starting point is 00:15:32 many times that I love. And I think it's a great way to explain it is that what you can tolerate is not necessarily what is optimal. Right. And I think we mistake that a lot. Like including myself, like I do something and I'm like, oh, I could handle that. So therefore you do more or you continue to do that.

Starting point is 00:15:49 When just because you can handle it, it doesn't necessarily mean this is what's gonna give you the best results. So by, like just how we move our phases, right? You technically could get away with four to six weeks of training in a particular phase, but we move you out of that phase at three or four most and most maps programs to try and stay ahead of that.

Starting point is 00:16:06 Instead of waiting, like, oh, I can still go to six, and then you feel the breakdown or you feel the plateau, and then transitioning. It's like, stay ahead of it, keep the body transitioning, but still, you live it enough time to where it can get the benefits from. Yes, exactly. All right, speaking of stress and stuff, I got to tell you guys about this weekend. So this weekend I had a great stay away. My niece and nephew visit from Vegas.

Starting point is 00:16:29 So these are, this is Jessica's niece and nephew. Great time, right? So they're both teenagers. So I had my teens, I had them. And then we have the toddler and the infant. And Jessica's excited. So she's like, let's all, let's plan a day. We'll go up to Monterey Bay Aquarium with everybody. and the teenagers will drive up on their own since we'll have the little

Starting point is 00:16:49 ones. I was gonna say, you have to rent a bus when you go with a, no, we got the suburban. We can all fit. I know. So I'm like, okay, I'm, you know, I'm game. Let's give this a shot and see what happens. So, I mean, so we go up, first of all, there was traffic on the way there because everybody had this, I guess, idea. So I mean, so we go up, first of all, it was traffic on the way there because everybody had this, I guess, idea. So it's an hour and a half in the car with a toddler and an infant, right? She's, uh, Dahlia's not even three months. And we're driving up. And so Aralias, we're like, he'll try, he'll nap in the car. No, he didn't nap in the car. So he missed the nap. Dahlia, she refused to sleep as well. So I'm like, oh, this is going to be awesome. It's good.

Starting point is 00:17:25 We get there and it's super packed. And it just turned into meltdowns. Like meltdown after meltdown. And Jessica and I are trying to manage the little ones. Meanwhile, the teens, my son driving, he gets up there right after us because we told them to lag because we knew we might have to pull over or something, right? They pull up to the parking lot, parking lots full. So now they're driving around trying to find parking. They drove around for an hour and a half trying to find parking. I know they need it. It's one hour and a half. Yeah, trying to find parking because it was apparently one of the busiest presidents weekend, I guess. Yeah. Weekends of the year. So I'm on the phone with them, right? I hear my daughter yelling at my son because she's got to go pee and he won't pull over.

Starting point is 00:18:06 I'm managing, you know, Arraileus is losing his shit, like losing his mind. Dahlia is crying, so Jessica's like, at one point, Jessica's like, I don't give a shit if people look. I'm pulling my boo-bout and I'm gonna nurse her for everybody. I'm like, you do your thing, baby, I'm gonna give shit to the way you do it.

Starting point is 00:18:22 She's like walking around with, trying to nurse the baby, you know, and it's just, we couldn't really see anything because we're trying to walk around. We got two strollers. A rarious wants me to hold on. Oh my God. I'm trying to push the scroll at the same time

Starting point is 00:18:33 and then just like seize of people on top of a roll. Right? Just, it was just crazy. We ended up staying, we stayed for 30 minutes. We stayed for 30, 40 minutes. Probably should have stayed in Vegas. Like I went to the Mandalay Bay. And honestly, I had a better experience

Starting point is 00:18:49 of their aquarium than I do. Like the Monterey Bay one. Dude, it's sick. Have you ever been there? Yeah, I have. And Monterey. Is it bigger than Monterey? Oh, it's not big. It's like better.

Starting point is 00:18:59 It's just better. It's well designed. Just put it that way. Cause Monterey's a great aquarium. Monterey, and the thing about Monterey is it has everything specific to the Monoray Bay. Yeah. And so this had like some cool like kimono dragon.

Starting point is 00:19:10 Oh wow. You know, had this really cool viewing where it was like a sunken ship. They built this like, almost like sunken pirate ship. So you could view out and see this huge shark tank. And then they would swim right over your head. Oh wow. And everything.

Starting point is 00:19:25 And it's just like the biggest thing to think of all these things of like how to like make it a little more entertaining. No, dude, we could barely stay. We'd even meet up with the teenagers. They finally parked them like, I know. Bro, you're crazy that you do that. You were the one to the plan to think, I can't remember what it was. I'm a rye opted out though.

Starting point is 00:19:39 You guys did, you all did something for one of the holidays. Like you wanted to go somewhere publicly. And like, I'm so, if it's a holiday, like, I'm going to go around. What's our, I'm going over here. Yeah, like I'm not going to like the most popular place to go for fourth of July or New Year's or things like that. I'm just not a fan of that.

Starting point is 00:19:55 Like I'll go on an off day. You should have seen this on the way back, too, because we're trying to get back to the car. And there's just kids, babies are screaming. And Dahlia now wants to be held. So we're trying to push the strollers and have that. Jessica's, she's like, oh, finally, we're gonna get out and do something.

Starting point is 00:20:09 And then it's like, so who's quicker to lose their shit in a situation that you or her? Oh, good question. Boy, let me think how to answer that. No, no, you know what? I mean, both of us because it's pretty, it's give or take.

Starting point is 00:20:24 She, I mean, that's 100% me. pretty iconic. It's give or take. She. I mean, that's 100% me, because Katrina, I will lose my shit way quick. She knows I don't even like going to the mall. She's like, she's so good about it. She'll know like if she sees like so that, and we're with someone like that,

Starting point is 00:20:36 she'll be like, hey, we gotta get out here pretty soon. And she'll be like, what? She's like, my husband will be a pan in the ass in about 15 more minutes. We don't get out. I had to bribe him, arerelius with candy on the way back, which I knew was gonna just make things worse. You know, oh, bro.

Starting point is 00:20:52 It's such a nightmare. Oh, it's such a, and then the day after. So is it you or her? So is it you or her who's most likely to lose their shit? You know what? It's balance. It's balance. Well, no, no, it's balance.

Starting point is 00:21:03 If one of us loses it, the other one doesn't fuel the fire. So the other one kind of calms down. And then if I like start losing my shit, then Jessica's like, you know, he hasn't had a nap and you know, poor kid or what, and then she calmed me down. So we actually did okay, dude. I was proud.

Starting point is 00:21:17 I was proud. You know what I told Jessica? I said, this is a win. She's like, how do you mean? Because we didn't fight. Yes. That's it. I said, because we didn't feel like that.

Starting point is 00:21:24 That's how I, when you're a parent, if the kid and all the other uncontrollable things in your life or a shit show and you guys don't kill each other, it's a win. No matter how shitty it went, yes. If we didn't kill each other over that situation, then that's considered a win. And then it had, and then the day after I took all the teenagers to the mall. First of all, teenagers are like in a perpetual state of me. That's just their attitude, bro. They're just like, they wake up in the morning. And you know, Jessica's like, let's play a board game with them.

Starting point is 00:21:55 Or, you know, let them have fun. Cause there's all certain accounts. Like, I'm like, fucking dumb. It's like, walk around and slap everybody. So I'm like, trying to have fun with them. I'm like, hey guys, let's go to the mall. I'll take you guys shopping. I think they're gonna be excited. I'll buy you guys stuff No, nobody's excited. It's like a private everybody just say the whole time

Starting point is 00:22:11 Hey, you guys want to go in that store? I don't know. I don't know if I want to go in that store Oh wow you guys You guys need to wait. Okay, is that a teenage thing or do you think that's like the generation now, just is it both? Yeah, it's both. It's both. I see, I see a Ethan kind of fallen into that right now. Yeah, I've just like, we're trying to hype something up and like get all excited, but he just,

Starting point is 00:22:35 eh, you just rather just sit there. Yeah. He's even have his phone anymore. So I took it away for the last like week and a half and he just like just, I'm just gonna shoot her. That has to be like, that has to be like the teenagers passive aggressive way of basically telling you like, I don't want to be that way. I think that they're honest.

Starting point is 00:22:55 I'm trying to remember when I was that age, like, you're just not impressed when you're a teenager. Like, you know, I think you're just so, you're not into anything your parents are into. Even if your parents were into goo and something cool or even if you would like like playing board games with my friends would be like fun. But if my parents wanted to play board games with me, I beat me. Right. So I think that's what it is. I think it's just like you reach that age. You go from your kids thinking you're the world and you're amazing and they you know you're super dad. I want to do everything with you and then they transition to this,

Starting point is 00:23:27 I don't wanna do anything with you and no matter even if you are doing something cool, it's not cool because you're doing it. Maybe. Yeah. That's amazing. What do you think, do you have anything with you? Yeah, I agree with that.

Starting point is 00:23:35 So if it has to do anything with the parent, then yeah, it's not exactly cool. I wanna go to movies with my friends. Okay, let's go to the movies, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, go to the movies, no. No, I don't want to. Yeah, that's what you want to go to. That's you. Oh, little shit.

Starting point is 00:23:47 But yeah, so it was just, it was like, and then, and then, you know, his niece and nephew, I go to pick him up, cause I flew to Vegas to pick him up. And they'll make comments like, oh, you know, a famous Uncle Sal, cause of YouTube and all that stuff. Like, oh guys, you know, don't say that's so dumb.

Starting point is 00:24:01 We're like, I recognize four times in front of them. You did? Yeah, you were. No, in Vegas here in San Jose, Monterey, like different places, right? Like so dumb. We're like, I recognize four times in front of them. You did? Yeah, I made you more. In Vegas here in San Jose, Monterey, like different places, right? Like at the mall, like four separate times, right? So I'm like, oh cool, I'm gonna be even cooler in front of them, right?

Starting point is 00:24:13 No, I'm not. I'm not. Then my niece is like, she's like, you think you're so cool. Oh, that's a word. That's a word. Oh, wow, man. No, like, it's your hair.

Starting point is 00:24:23 Yes, exactly. I'm like, no, I'm not anything happy. It's just happening. I'm like, you know, you know, I get you. Yes exactly You know you know I'm cool. You're just saying that to me. Yeah, no downplaying That's why you're there for Louis one night. Oh, you stayed in a awesome hotel. I did. I did not. I did not. I just missed it. I just missed it. He's still, I was wondering if you're gonna bring it up. I'm sure. I am. I mean, my goddamn wife putting me in this fucking shitty hotel. For just saying.

Starting point is 00:24:53 The last time, so the event was like, I had to go for a kid's gym and ask the tournament and it was at Westgate. And so I was like, I'm not staying here again. This is ridiculous. This is a dump. You know, and it was convenient because it's like, you can just walk to the events because, dude, the way they have these things structured, there's a whole lot of hurry up and wait.

Starting point is 00:25:12 And you're always late for that first thing for some reason. They like switch times and, you know, you gotta like anticipate almost being an hour before whatever they say. And they never give you whatever the whole itinerary is till like day up. And you're like, whatever the whole itinerary is till day up. And you're like, where are we going?

Starting point is 00:25:27 You just don't know. And so it's like it's kind of like you need to be there. So you're just there all day. She's there. Yeah, it's like judo tournament. Oh, it's brutal. So I get that. And so Courtney's brain is still revolving around that.

Starting point is 00:25:42 And so the closest, I'm like, we need to stay somewhere else because last time there's one elevator and it was like, we couldn't get down. It was hitting every single floor. Everybody was leaving at the same time and it was like a nightmare for me to sit and we're just like trying to find the stairs, the stairs, you couldn't like get access to.

Starting point is 00:26:00 And like, so anyways, we picked, she picked like this a hero, which was like down the street. I'm like, this anyways, we picked, she picked like this a hero, which was like down the street. This is like side stepping, like this is not nicer at all. This is a scummy casino. I'm sorry, I'm gonna throw shade, it's not that great. Compared to the whole, like this, all the options of Vegas, like I'd rather like take

Starting point is 00:26:23 an hour cab or something, you know. Now, in Courtney's defense, okay, cause I know you can be, you're not the type to complain or speak up sometimes. So is this partially your fault because you don't really, cause here's the thing. Yeah. I understand this, but I've like, you know me,

Starting point is 00:26:40 I'm the one the group is. You're very vocal about it. Yeah, and moody and all this bullshit, right? So I've like, I've made it clear. Like you put me in a hotel like this and we fucking angry all weekend. So that's like non-negotiable for us, but I've communicated that.

Starting point is 00:26:51 So are you bad about communicating that you wait until? I would say I'm not great, but I'm, I would say that like I put up with a lot, but also too I'm clear about like sort of my lines. And so she instead of like going on the like exceed with a lot, but also too, I'm clear about my lines. So she, instead of going on the exceed my expectations, it's right that very, what I would tolerate. Right, just right.

Starting point is 00:27:16 We have a bathroom. There's our conditioning. And so we show up. And of course, the hotel's elevator wasn't working on the tower, we're supposed to stay in, so we had to like get a whole other room, a different side. And we get up there, and it's literally like, they're like, oh, it's an upgrade because of like space, you know. And so what it is is basically a suite for singles that want to bang, you know, it's got this couch, it's totally,

Starting point is 00:27:45 like some like couch people are bending people over and like looking out at the town. I'm like, just not for kids to sleep on. You have to be like, you have to be like, yeah, we do like a cot, like there was, there's one bed, I'm like, there's one bed in here. Like, this is gonna work. And so I'm like getting them anyways, dude.

Starting point is 00:28:03 It was just funny that ironically, we run into the same problems anyways. No, I flew in and I got to the hotel at 8.30 p.m. and then flew out the next day and I stayed with the encore. Yeah. So Jerry Booking or did you book? No, you know, you know, I'm book. So Jerry Booking.

Starting point is 00:28:20 Yeah, yeah. So I got funny story to tell you. I was in the room sleeping in the bad. I have a sold this guy out Yeah, but could could could Trina. Yeah, because Katrina Jerry are always one's managing all of some of that and she and she's like I don't know what you did to Sal, but now he's like you I'm like what? Yeah, the last cuz you had to fly somewhere like the LA or some of that and he didn't fly first class and he was like Hey, what did I fly in there was no there was no first class with that and he was talking about the hotel because I guess the one of the last times They made a mistake. Oh come on bro. That hotel was terrible. I know I know but you would know

Starting point is 00:28:49 Restor like in the past. They're like in the past machine. Sal would never say anything now He's like hey, where's my first class? Where's my next hotel? Well, it was even that I just don't want to stay where I stayed then what time? Yeah, bro They had I don't remember where they had me stay in LA. I was doing a podcast circuit, but I get to it and I'm like, I can't even walk outside. This is a look at it, what's going on?

Starting point is 00:29:12 Remember when we went to Sacramento to see Mark Bell and we were like, it's like gunshots. Yes. What are you doing right now? Yeah. That was way. So how did your boys do that at the tournament? They did great.

Starting point is 00:29:26 It was the first tournament of this whole season. So it's this is kind of like the, oh my god, like every weekend is occupied now, kind of a deal. But it was the very first competition. And so there was some like, kinks to get out and whatnot. But they both had like one really stellar event that they crushed and meddled in. So I was happy to see that. Well, they're so good.

Starting point is 00:29:48 Did you watch the video? He posted it. No, I didn't see it. Dude, they're so good. It's like, I feel like just the other day we were talking on this podcast about him getting them involved in gymnastics. And now they're like,

Starting point is 00:29:58 well, they obviously they have athletic parents plus they're young, you know, so you have all that together. Like kids can work. I just didn't think they could pick it up that fast to that level. Well, they obviously kinesthetically got some talent, but then you're a kid. It's like, you're just, when you're that age, the neural plus this, do they go? So do they go outside and like, or on the trampoline and practicing like, do you? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:18 Like, they're not at practice. Are they doing it also? Yeah. And actually, I brought that up with them because that was their weakest event, weakest event because of all the weather we've had here and how they haven't been outside just like doing their normal thing. I wouldn't even have to like fight them as much about being on their electronics or being inside at all. They would just go out there and like go sort of jump and doing their routines on the trampoline. And it was almost like, I, you know, that was the one they always crushed. So that was when they did worse in.

Starting point is 00:30:49 And so I'm pretty much attributed it to the fact that they just haven't been out there because of the weather doing it. But yeah, so yeah, they've, they've put a lot of work in during the week. They go at least three to four times a week and leading up to this first competition, they were, I was like like even up in Mantika, they're getting in extra wraps and everything, even on the weekend to like prepare for this. So it's cool, their coach is really like militant.

Starting point is 00:31:13 You know, he's like very good about like, he wants to do well and he's produced some like high level athletes as a result. Really? Yeah, so I'm still cool. I was gonna bring up though, something I noticed kind of sitting there and I love people watching. Dude Vegas is, so I'm still cool. I was going to bring up though something I noticed kind of sitting there and I love people watching. Dude Vegas is like one of my favorite places.

Starting point is 00:31:28 Oh yeah, that's the best place to watch. That's so much fun. Dude, there's so many stories, but like just in the competition setting or sitting there and we're just killing time and kind of watching all these kids do their crazy flips and all this kind of stuff. And you notice this sort of interesting. So there's teams that it's not just the United States. I guess there's these other teams that are sponsored by some schools here from Armenia and from Russia. And so they're able to compete. And so you see like those international tournaments. Yeah. So they came in and they're all like, you know, in their straight up like warm ups and, you know, very like,

Starting point is 00:32:11 regimented with the way that they walk. And it's for the motherland. Yes, dude. And like, real like, you know, rigid in the way that they flip and like they salute and they're just like, bruh. And then you'll see like some other,

Starting point is 00:32:25 so there's this whole spectrum, right? Like of like super, super masculine and super, super feminine, you know, like within the boys setting and all this and so you'll see, it's always in the salute, you know, at the end like you'll see like, yeah, I really, yeah. I've never seen anything. So you can like, that like salute is what you consider

Starting point is 00:32:45 the landing. So it's after they're done, they have to kind of acknowledge that they're done to the judges. And oh, that's what that is. That's an acknowledgement that you're done with the move or whatever, and they do that. Yeah, I never knew what that was called.

Starting point is 00:32:58 Did you know that? No, I had no idea. So the salute to them. And that's, it varies with like one arm to like, is it open for interpretation? I think they have like regulations of like what, specifically they do that, but I'm not, again, like I'm just a dad that's sitting there.

Starting point is 00:33:15 I don't know all the rules there. Either I'm like still learning them, but yeah, they do all that, but yeah, man, they run a tight ship. You should see like just the form of some of these athletes from international, like the Russian team, the Armenian team. Oh, they got a long, especially Russia. It's got, whoa, dude, they're killing it. Yeah, who is the coach?

Starting point is 00:33:36 He coached the 94 Atlanta gold medal women's team. Was it Bella Coroli? Is that what they had? Do you remember that? No, he's one of the most famous gymnasts coach of all time. He coached Nadia Kominich. Do you guys know who she was? No.

Starting point is 00:33:49 She was the one of the only perfect tens. And she was like 15 year old girl. And she did a perfect 10 routine. She also coached Louis Allou. What was her name? That girl she was on the Wheaties box, the American gymnast. Oh yeah, what is that?

Starting point is 00:34:04 Rhett, no, your time your what's her last name? Doug you should. Yeah, I know what you're who you're talking about. She was like this. She was like a female. Lou. Rhett. What was it? Mary Lee. Rhett. So she was this female gymnast from America in the 80s who so in in gymnastics is kind of fascinating. I'm not a huge by the way. So this is just dola. I keep going. No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:34:25 I think it's fascinating. I thought it was fascinating for a second. And I watched a couple of documentaries. That's it. But there were either like the small young, you know, bodies, or they're really powerful strong. Mary Lou Renton was this American gymnast, and she was like this little beast and powerful. And she got gold medal.

Starting point is 00:34:43 She was coached by him as well. And then there was Nadia Kominich, who looks very different. Maybe you could look up Nadia. She got a perfect 10. And she was like this really small. Like, are you saying these are the only two perfect 10 scores? I don't think Mary Lou Rettingott,

Starting point is 00:34:58 look at her when she was a little kid. She was like this little girl and got a perfect 10, the 1976 Olympics. But Bella Corolean is wife, I think I'm saying his name. They he ended up coaching the Americans after the fall of the, or he left the Soviet Union, I want to say, came over here and started coaching our athletes. And then the 94 Olympics, did you guys remember that?

Starting point is 00:35:20 Do you guys remember that in Atlanta? I don't. You know, okay, it's one of the most famous, this is one of the most famous performances of all time. The female, the same year as Nancy Kerrigan? No. That was made next one? No, it's really big.

Starting point is 00:35:34 Yeah, that was a winter limit. Yeah, that's Bella Corolla right there. You guys don't recognize that guy? Yeah, I do recognize it. So he was like super, him and his wife were super tough, but also just super loving. Everybody loved them. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:46 He, he, the 94 Olympics. Yeah. Didn't he carry her off for some? Bro, you guys, you guys need to watch the performance of the 94 Olympics. She heard herself. The American team was in the running for first place. They were second place. One of our athletes runs out.

Starting point is 00:36:03 It does her routine. I don't remember what I think was the, what's the one with they bounce off the horse and then they fly in the air? Oh yeah. Pumel horse? No, that's, that's, it's like a double mini, but it's off the,

Starting point is 00:36:14 yeah, that like springboard and they do the big thing or whatever. Anyway, one of our girls, I'm not the one with the kids in the picture. Yeah. They do three of this. I know the three of this. I look at Justin, like tell me what it is

Starting point is 00:36:27 Come on bro a little bit of help me. I'm the jumping twist With jumping the whole I always look forward to the YouTube comments when we talk about something that we're Stand your wheelhouse Anyway, haven't forbidden we talk about this. We got us. Let's talk about the most This is the first and only time I ever got emotional watching an athletic event. Ever. If you watch this, I promise you will. Our team is in second place. We need it.

Starting point is 00:36:50 I don't remember what it score was that we needed. Our girl goes up. I forgot her name. She was just cute little voice, little kid or whatever. Her tourney, she goes and does it anyway. Lands the landing, sticks it with one leg. Put one leg up like this. Em bounces on one leg leg puts me in there.

Starting point is 00:37:05 I think I remember. And we won. I get the chills thinking about it. I remember watching as a kid and I got like teared up. What documentary did you watch? Do you remember which one it was? It was on Bella Coroli. It was like, I don't remember what it was.

Starting point is 00:37:15 It was on him. It was on him. And there's like criticisms because of the way he coached. I guess he was super hardcore. But his athletes. They loved them though, yeah. Who was the girl that stuck that stuck that landing in the 94, I don't remember her name,

Starting point is 00:37:32 but it was one of the greatest names. Terry Strug. Terry Strug, you guys, if you ever see that shit, you have to rewatch it, these names are. But gymnastics, highly competitive, dude. It's crazy how competitive it is. Oh, yeah, and you've ever seen those those athletes when they stop and they they retire. They all of a sudden go through puberty. You ever notice that you're ever here about that? No. So they'll because they train

Starting point is 00:37:56 so hard at that level, they're training for hours and hours and hours a day and they're tiny. They'll stay small and then they'll stop and then like a year or two later, they're tiny, they'll stay small. And then they'll stop, and then like a year or two later, their bodies, I guess, are allowed to grow because they stopped training so much. And they look very strong. So it stops them from even going through puberty. If you train your ass off as a kid, like insane intense, you will delay puberty.

Starting point is 00:38:17 You stay lean, you'll delay puberty. I didn't know that was a, you don't have enough body fat on your body. It's very intensive, trust me. Is it is it common? It will girls what obviously is it common is it common with them? Those like something check it out down. That's come care I did not even know that was like I mean are you are you sharing like one anomaly snow or just like something I mean it would it's common at the highest levels were these kids who obviously are genetically gifted obviously are

Starting point is 00:38:43 levels were these kids who obviously are genetically gifted. Obviously are driven because you can't get a kid to train that much and that's they absolutely love it and they're driven as well. Yeah. Um, and they just, they trained so many hours, so crazy. And their children, their 13, 14, 15, 16, and I mean, you're like 19, you're, you're, you're getting old now at that level, uh, with, especially with the girls. Wow.

Starting point is 00:39:03 Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty, it's pretty wild. So you see a picture of them like, you know, they went a gold and then two years later, like, oh, they became a mom and they look like a woman now or whatever.

Starting point is 00:39:13 What does that say there? This says, gymnastics delays puberty. So growth for velocity of the trunk accelerated later in the gymnasts than in control subjects, despite continuing gymnastic. You know what's stupid about a study like that? Is that people are gonna read that and think gymnastics does that?

Starting point is 00:39:31 No. It's not gymnastics. It's the amount of training that they do is what'll do it. I mean, you could delay puberty with any kind of workout if you just train the shit out of a kid for a long time or whatever. Yeah, you go next.

Starting point is 00:39:46 Yes. Yeah, it's a lot. Wow. Anyway, I'm going to change gears here. We'll talk about tech for a second. Would you guys think of that new, that new VR game? Yes. 5.

Starting point is 00:39:56 So you found, you found a new horror game, dude, that looks interesting. Dude, the tech is going to get crazy with video games. So there's a game on PS5 VR. I remember the name of it, maybe I don't know, Doug could find it or Andrew, but your NVR headset, it's a horror game, so monsters and shit, but it tracks your eyes in the blinking. When you blink, things will move so that when you open your eyes again, they're closer or about to kill you, or you'll look to the left and then it's all of the stuff. It's a horror trick, like you watch in a movie

Starting point is 00:40:26 where all of a sudden, like you'll see something in the distance and then you kind of like are distracted at something else and then all of a sudden now they're like right in the forefront. Yes. Like they can track that based off of you blinking. What switchback is the name of this? Switchback.

Starting point is 00:40:42 So this actually tracks your pupil, your eyes, nose where you're looking, and the game will modify itself based off of where you're looking if you blink. Wait until you actually fill out a questionnaire so it learns about you, and then it can start to tailor your fears to it. Like say you have a clown fear or you have like a drowning fear. No, I'm serious.

Starting point is 00:41:07 That's, it's not, we're not far from that happening. Like for it to be able to- It's supposed to be there. Yeah, imagine how crazy it is. I don't even think, I think it's gonna be even further than that. I think it's gonna be able to pick up on your body cues and know what is making you more scared. What's making your heart rate show up?

Starting point is 00:41:24 What's making you sweat more. Stubbles down on that. Yes, dude. More, more, more. You know what I mean? It knows how hard to push you. That's gonna be crazy. That's a trick.

Starting point is 00:41:33 I know. But for it to even know where you're looking and all of a sudden something pops up, like it's messed up. Yeah, so I watched the trailer on it and there's just like room with mannequins and they look all creepy. And then every time you blink and open your eyes,

Starting point is 00:41:44 the mannequins are closer to you Yeah, and like looking menacing at you. Yeah, so like you imagine kids playing this like trying to keep the eyes open Well, they're taking off their eyes are all blood shot. I can't sleep Yeah, I want to see Adam play that game. I you know what's funny. I actually so I have the resident evil for Oculus Um, and I like it and it scares the shit out of me. So, which is interesting, I don't like a scary movie. I don't wanna, and I,

Starting point is 00:42:11 when you have like some control, I think of, maybe that, maybe also the mindset going into it, right? I've talked before about, when I watch a movie, it's like, I wanna detach, I wanna relax, it's very therapeutic for me. And when I watch a scary movie, I feel anxiety and intense. When I play a video game,

Starting point is 00:42:32 it reminds me of choosing to get on a roller coaster ride. Or like, so I'm in for the fact that, who I want to be kind of intense and I want to be stressed out of it. So I don't mind the scary game as much as I do. I thought that was really funny because I would have thought I wouldn't have liked. I know, I was talking about that once.

Starting point is 00:42:49 Yeah, was it Resident Evil? Yeah, boy, I mean, I remember the first, when I first got the Oculus, that was one of the games I bought because I heard good reviews on it. It was like, I was, you know, I max went down to sleep that night and I like, I wanted to do another room,

Starting point is 00:43:02 snuck out the room and it's like 10 o'clock at night and buy myself in my family room and decided to play it. I had to stop because it's scared to shit out of me. It was just a little eerie, you know what I was saying? It was late at night. I was all by myself in there and I was playing into that game. I mean, they do such the graphics on it and the way the speakers are, you know, it has like that kind of

Starting point is 00:43:21 surround sound effect. So like, you'll hear like, like it sounds like it's behind you. Yeah, there's like a zombie come that you'll hear like, it sounds like it's behind you. Yeah, there's like a zombie, you can hear it, it sounds like it's behind you, and then you spin around, and then here it's coming right towards you. And so it's pretty wild what they can do. Imagine you put the VR in,

Starting point is 00:43:34 you're like, I don't want to play anymore, you take it off, you're still in it. Yeah. Don't, don't, don't. Anyway, I got something for you, Adam. What's that? Because you know how you always talk about how sensitive your feelings aren't, no,

Starting point is 00:43:44 it's getting your sense of smell. Yes, yes. Okay, I just read a study that shows that people with a more sensitive sense of smell also tend to have better directional skills or have better spatial skills. Interesting. Isn't that interesting?

Starting point is 00:44:02 So I guess the part of the brain that processes smell also is connected to sense of direction. Now I don't have a bad sense of smell. What about producing smell? It's interesting. It's interesting. Anyways. So anyway, I thought that was interesting

Starting point is 00:44:17 because I know you always, you can smell something before anybody else usually. Yeah, I have, and I've always attributed that to be my allergies because I'm so sensitive, because my allergies, that I, also the positive is that I pick up on all kinds of rounds. I don't know if that's a positive thing actually or not. I guess if it makes me have better direction.

Starting point is 00:44:35 Now, you and I, off-air, have talked about, there was a time when I actually, you know, my memory, my sense of direction, was something that I prided my cell phone. Like, I was really good. Like, I'd go somewhere. One time, I'd know how to get there. I've lost that skill over the last few decades

Starting point is 00:44:53 with the introduction of navigation. Once I started to use that, it became something I became so dependent on that a skill that I once would have bragged about, I no longer had anymore. And so I wonder if naturally I would have had that, skill that I once would have bragged about I no longer had anymore. And so I wonder if naturally I would have had that continued that on. I bet you still would. A lot of people lost a lot of skills because we've outsourced to tech like like nobody knows

Starting point is 00:45:15 phone numbers anymore. It's an easy example. I don't know anybody's I don't know your guys is if I talk to you guys all the time. I don't know anybody's phone number in this room. I know my mom's and dad's phone. Does that ever scare you guys like because of the where we're going with like tech and the ability for AI and things. I mean, sure, but then don't you think that? I mean, we've already done that.

Starting point is 00:45:29 Your dad probably said that about you and it's like you've been able to survive just fine. You guys not to start a fire without matches? No. Yeah. You guys not to start a fire without matches? No. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:41 You know what I mean? I know. But okay, so that's your boy scout? No, I wasn't that what I did a lot of a door. You were a boy scout? I okay, so that's your boy scout. No, I wasn't. I was, but I did a lot of door. You were a boy scout? I don't know that.

Starting point is 00:45:50 Yeah, yeah. And they didn't teach you how to do that. I did. I did. Could I do it right now? They give you a little, they give you the little flint thing. We didn't do, we didn't have to do with the stick. Okay.

Starting point is 00:46:00 They gave you a little. You do with the stick? I've done it with the stick and then the rubbing technique and, yeah, all that stuff., all that stuff. Yeah, you carve out, you whittle out another stick and you create that friction and you have to have enough air so it is able to then heat it up properly and then you put a little... Well, I mean, my point is we just started. We don't know how to do a lot of stuff. And my point is, will you ever? So who cares? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess. Well, there'll ever be a time on, in this society where you would need to use,

Starting point is 00:46:30 well, you know what skills to stick to starfire. What's, okay, so what skills are we gonna, are we gonna lose that? I mean, here's what I noticed with, and this weekend with the teenage kids, is that they lost, they're losing, their sense of skill for socialization. Like when we were teenagers,

Starting point is 00:46:49 if you didn't go out and try to talk to people and try to engage, you didn't do anything. There was nothing to do. Now because there's so many ways that they could, you know, I guess entertain themselves, distract themselves or connect without having to talk to somebody, I almost feel like they lost that skill. Like you want to meet a girl now,

Starting point is 00:47:08 you do it through your phone. So that's, so that's all. You're going to be able to approach somebody. So that's all very true. So then the next question is, are we evolving though to a time where that skill is not going to be as necessary? Well, I mean, obviously it's not as necessary

Starting point is 00:47:21 because it's still meeting each other. They're just not doing it in that way. It is weird though. It is weird when you're around a bunch of teenage kids and they don't know each other and you see how they're like weird about it. You're like, okay. I guess I'm always, I haven't seen that.

Starting point is 00:47:35 Actually, so you're saying like, so when your kids were with them. Get a bunch of teenage kids together who don't know each other already. Yeah, yeah. And then just watch how they interact. Yeah, and you'll see it's different. It's different.

Starting point is 00:47:47 Yeah, I don't know. I get the point. That's kind of like what's always been the point of, you know, wherever we're at is, you're going to be a product of whatever, like, technology is available. And so we're going to be using it. But I always want to kind of at least be able to balance that with some knowledge of like if I'm in a crash or if I'm in like a, you know, in a situation where, you know, I'm like, I'm in a dire situation where I need to create shelter.

Starting point is 00:48:18 I need to be self-sustainable at least tell somebody can come find me or whatever. Like I want to pass it along to my kids so that they know that like if in a situation if they're in the park or they're like with friends or they said to go camping or they tried to do whatever, like they can at least know that like, okay, this is where you're going to get drinking water and this is where it's safe and this is where you're dysentery, you know, if you choose to go in this direction or, you know, just some basic things that they know. But we're more dependent than just knowledge,

Starting point is 00:48:47 because we've created systems like food supply, water supply waste removal that are organized, require, we don't think about this, but they require a lot of work and a lot of organization to maintain. So you can have right now, we're in a big city, right? We live in San Jose, so a million people plus. If, let's say there was a sort of solar flare, boom,

Starting point is 00:49:07 all power out for a month, everybody could know how to survive, but we'd still lots of death. Because we wouldn't be able to support ourselves, because the way we support ourselves are through all these complicated systems. So like what, a million people are gonna hunt in San Jose, what are we gonna hunt?

Starting point is 00:49:22 Go up in the hills, hunt all the turkeys? That'll be gonna do today. There's a lot of turkeys, but yeah. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's not gonna work. I mean, I see your point Adam is like, that's just evolution, I guess. Yeah, I know, I feel like that every generation

Starting point is 00:49:33 fills that way about the generation coming up too. I mean, if you go back to your great grandfather, he probably said it about your dad and your dad now says it about you, you're now saying it about your teenage boy. And it's like, yeah, nobody fixes their car anymore. Yeah, nobody fixes their car anymore. Yeah, nobody fixes their car anymore. Yeah, nobody and it's like, yeah, nobody fixes their car. At some point will be, yeah, dinosaur, you know, I mean, that's going to be archaic for

Starting point is 00:49:50 for big Billy. Why aren't you just hovering around? Why are you leaving your room? Yes. Why are you here? Just teleport your brain. I know. That's the part that I think scares me is that we are normalizing something like being

Starting point is 00:50:04 plugged into this like like, VR goggles and just sitting in your room. And that is considered your socialization. I think that, even if that's okay and that we end up evolving to that, that's just sad to me. It's a slow drip. It's like, is that really what we're made to do. Like, I feel like, I don't know, at some point, like you gotta evaluate and assess like with the quality of in the purpose of what we're doing. Well, the, I had this discussion. A much deeper question.

Starting point is 00:50:35 Yeah, it is. Well, I had a discussion with. You're so soft, I'm just gonna follow on. Can you do our pay the value commercial first? Actually, I wanna hear what you have to say. Yeah, no, I'll get there. Actually, just go ahead and go there because I'm getting still a ton of emails

Starting point is 00:50:47 about the chocolate bone broth pro. Oh, I've actually seen a lot of it. I did not oversell it. Yeah, I see a lot of it. I actually see tons of emails where people like, I thought you oversold it, I tried it. Definitely the best tasting protein, everyone. I've actually seen it.

Starting point is 00:50:58 I've been meaning to tell you that. I've seen quite a few people tag, mind-pump in the post of the chocolate bone broth. It's the best tasting, by far, I've never tasted a protein, but literally it's a treat. It's not protein. Do you think because the bone broth in itself is kind of flavorless and then adding a flavor to it is correct? Correct.

Starting point is 00:51:16 If you just had pure bone broth, it would taste almost like nothing. So it's really easy to make. It tastes really good. And then because of its texture, if you add it with milk, it'll give you kind of a nice mouth feel. So that's, you know, that's got to be part. Anyway, back to the other conversation. I was talking with Jessica about this and, you know, if you look at the statistics with

Starting point is 00:51:36 depression and anxiety, you know, like teen girls suicides are at record levels right now. And I think a lot of it has to do with the kids might just be too safe. And what I mean by that is they don't take any risks and there's a lot of, there's a lot kids and adults get out of taking risks, failing, trying, succeeding,

Starting point is 00:52:02 and it's hard and it sucks, but it doesn't suck as bad as doing nothing, right? So like to give an example, if you put yourself out there to get into relationships with people, you're going to get your heart broken. Anybody who's ever had the heart broken knows that that's a terrible feeling, right? Or you could just never get in a relationship.

Starting point is 00:52:20 And be like, I'm never talking to anybody, I never want to get my heart broken, but that's worse. So I think that might be part of it. I think part of it is that these kids are, they don't put themselves out of their risk of worse. They don't risk things, they don't do anything that's kind of scary, dangerous, to them, that they're just blah, and they're trying to supplement,

Starting point is 00:52:39 or should I say, Medicaid that with like, video games and social media, and it's making them just feel empty. Now how do you personally reconcile that considering that you probably would be the dad who's nervous about his kid climbing on rocks or doing anything dangerous like that? It doesn't have to be dangerous like in the literal sense, although that too. I mean like scary like approaching

Starting point is 00:53:05 people, going to a party, you know, go go go talk to someone get go be social. Now do you not think they're opinion is controversial? Yeah, like, like, that's what I mean. I mean, also, that are they not one of themself though. I mean, the same is the same courage it takes to climb that tree up, you know, 50 feet when you could potentially die. I mean, if anything, that's even more scary. So then, then you going over to talk to a girl for the first time, it's like, I'm not going to die. I climbed a tree, you know, that was 50 feet in the air, and that didn't kill me. Well, what I mean by that is, I should be able to have the courage to go do this, right?

Starting point is 00:53:39 Yeah, I think that they all contribute. What I mean by that is like, not wearing your seatbelt, like, or drunk driving. I don't necessarily think that that's going to give I mean by that is like not wearing your seatbelt like or drunk driving. I don't necessarily think that that's gonna give you like sense of meaning and purpose. I mean just the scary stuff that they would consider risky and scary that they're deciding not to do. Like you got these boys at home who have video games and pornography so they don't have the drive

Starting point is 00:54:00 to go out and get rejected. No, no, I, what I mean by you reconciles, like, are there a thing, and I'm just asking, like, do you look back because you have teenagers now, and you wish that there were areas that you challenged your son and daughter in to take more risk that, whether it be, and I'm using the physical one,

Starting point is 00:54:22 because I know that you tend to be that way more, like, because you are in yourself that way. So I use that as an example, but it doesn using the physical one because I know that you tend to be that way more like as you are in yourself that way. So I use that as an example, but it doesn't necessarily your right have to be that. Like, when you process that and you go, oh, yeah, that's definitely right. Like, man, I wish, you know, in these situations, I would have made my son do this or I wish I would have taken the kids to go do that. Like, do you think that? Yeah, I mean, hindsight is a lot of things I wish I did. Right. Right. But the other part of it is, like, there was no shortage of, okay, when we were kids, if you guys got grounded, it was stay home.

Starting point is 00:54:53 You gotta stay at home and you're like, there's nothing to do here. You have a teenage kid now. Getting them to leave the house is hard. Where am I gonna go, dad? What am I gonna do? Who am I gonna talk to? My friends are online. Where am I gonna, I dad? What am I gonna do? Who am I gonna talk to? My friends are online.

Starting point is 00:55:05 Like, where am I gonna, I'm like, go to the mall, go walk around. I don't wanna do it. So, it's just weird. It's like, as a parent, you have to manage it all, which then kind of takes away from it, right? Cause now you're the one making it happen, not them. It's a really weird, interesting time with all that.

Starting point is 00:55:21 Like, I was talking to my niece and nephew with the same thing, like, hey, you know, what do you guys hang out? You know, with your friends. Oh, we don't really, I don't really the same thing, like, hey, what do you guys hang out with your friends? Oh, we don't really, I don't really see my friends. Like, really? What do you mean, let's see? Well, we see each other online,

Starting point is 00:55:30 but we don't really don't go over their house. I'm like, oh, you know, and it's like, my son's going to some parties now, which is cool, he's 17, but he's 17. When I was doing that when I was, you know, 14, 13, because there was nothing else to do. He had no other choices. So I don't know. Maybe hindsight would have been to, I don't know, not have Wi-Fi. I don't know. This is where I think Katrina and I were talking about this. The school that Max is in currently right now,

Starting point is 00:55:56 he loves it. I really like it. It's very academically driven. But there's another school who he's who we really wanted to get him in and we couldn't get him in until I think August is when he's gonna be able to get in that school. And I'm like, God damn, I'm gonna have to transfer my son to three different schools in the short amount of time. And I'm really like nervous about doing that. I don't wanna do that to him, right?

Starting point is 00:56:20 And I know that's my own shit because I bounce around to schools. And so that's a bit of myself in you know, in my shit that I have from Charlotte studies on that by the way. What kids who changed a lot of schools? No, there's pluses and minuses. So I, and I know that, right? So there's, it's weird.

Starting point is 00:56:35 Like I have, so I have, I get both of them. I have both of those pluses. Yeah, like you could probably make friends real easily because right. Yeah, they say that. That that was one of the skill. Yeah, when we, that's what one of, skill. Yeah, when we that's what one of when people ask me they challenge me to go far enough back like the skills that have made you successful today like where did it where they

Starting point is 00:56:51 rooted in I definitely attribute something that I actually was fearful of and hated as a kid right hated my parents moving me from a school to school or without or moving. But then when I look back and actually reflect on it, I remember why I hated it. I hated it because here I am. New school. Nobody knows me. Nobody's playing with me. Nobody's talking to me. And so I would I would have to go out in uncomfortable situations and start conversations and step in and say, hey, I want to play or hey, and that forced me to do that while doing that enough times

Starting point is 00:57:26 built that skill set for me as an adult. So yeah, I get it. But my point of bringing this one up is the school that I really want him in that he's not in now and why I'm trying to talk in Katrina. I was like, maybe we wait a few years and then we move him over there because I really want him in that school and he's loving this school right now and it's so academically driven. I love what they're teaching him right now. But what this school that he's in right now

Starting point is 00:57:48 doesn't have that the other school has is sports. And that's so important to me for the point you're bringing up right now because I think that's a big one. Like if you get a kid into sports really early and they like it, they really love the sport. You're back right there. That's the default right there, right?

Starting point is 00:58:03 Like, oh yeah, another Duke, dude, go grab the basketball. Or I grab it with them, let's go play, let's go throw the ball around. And I've seen conversation with Courtney recently about that because it's like, what else are they gonna do? And to your point is like, you know, they're gonna be naturally just drawn in

Starting point is 00:58:18 and then, you know, tried to connect with their friends virtually now, like that's a lot easier. But to have that structure of like, I have to go every day after school. I gotta do this practice. I'm around kids, so we're naturally just having conversations, interacting and all that. It's like, it's a whole nother educational piece

Starting point is 00:58:36 to do that process. I feel like sports, sports, there's plenty of research to support. You know what's funny? The benefits of it. Yeah, you know what's funny about what you guys are saying? People attribute all the physical benefits to sports as the benefits.

Starting point is 00:58:49 The physical benefits are the smallest- Very much so small. That's the smallest bit of benefit you get from them. Hell no. Learning to work with others, leadership, following, being able to work hard, overcome adversity. I mean- Learning how to lose, learning how to win.

Starting point is 00:59:03 Yeah, I mean, God, there's so, there's, I mean, do you guys think, and I'd be interesting to see what kind of stuff is out there, research-wise now? I mean, sports have always been important, and we've seen plenty of studies to support that, and research around that. I would argue that it's more important today than it's ever been.

Starting point is 00:59:19 I agree. Because of what you're saying, like, man, I can only imagine being in your situation where you have you have a very intelligent Kids that are like four-o students That are really good at their it's so you can't like default like oh, and you need to go do this until you get your grades If they're already doing that. Hello goods

Starting point is 00:59:36 So it's kind of like and then they love to play video games and they love to be online like how do you as a dad be like no? That's where their friends are all at so the only I think the only weapon you have is hope that you did a good job of getting them into these sports so that when those times come and you're like, you know, kick them outside, they go pick up a ball. The other one is getting a job. I think a lot of us are working. A lot of kids, that would be another one. It's like getting them teaching them entrepreneur skills early.

Starting point is 01:00:01 You got to get a job. Yeah. Because you have to learn how to work with people. You got to learn, like, especially a service industry, go get it. So that's one now that I'm looking at. Like, okay, now I'm going to get a great option. 100%.

Starting point is 01:00:12 That's actually a, that's a really, especially for your, your son who's so intelligent, what a cool, and he's not like a hardcore sports kid, that's definitely the route I probably would default to. Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,. Oh yeah, no, no, no. It's like, I can't encourage him to build a business right now. I would love that actually. No, I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna be a good job. Go get a job, work at Target or some service business

Starting point is 01:00:31 and go work. And then you end up having to socialize with people older than you, younger than you, the public, you gotta learn how to do service, you gotta learn how to all that stuff. You have a schedule, 100%, 100%. I think those are the two big way, because you know kids don't get jobs anymore either

Starting point is 01:00:45 A lot of kids don't get jobs until they're 18. Oh, that's that's gone down a lot. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah Now it's part of that is it skewed a little bit because Are they not including kids that actually build a little bit of business online like because that's now a popular thing Right, it's popular for a kid to build a social media volume. Even if you include that That's now a popular thing, right? It's popular for a kid to build a social media volume. Even if you include that, the, yeah, kids don't work as much for two reasons one is a lot more parents are like focused on school and two minimum wage keeps going up.

Starting point is 01:01:11 The higher minimum wage goes up, the less likely companies are to hire kids. That's a fact. 100% fact. You're not gonna pay a 15 year old kid 12 bucks an hour because you're gonna have a 20 year old something who's gonna wanna get the job. That's a fact. So every time, by the way, the data is clear on this. Every time they raise

Starting point is 01:01:27 minimal wage, the unemployment with teenagers goes down, down, down, down. So that's one of the number one arguments against minimum wage, right? Is that you don't allow the free market to compete and people to compete to get the job. Instead, you automatically cap out a bunch of people. Yeah. That's like the main out a bunch of people. Yeah. That's like you make, you make people with bad records, no work history, young people. You screw them out of potentially getting a job. I told you guys about the entrepreneur kind of hustle that Ethan's running at his school. I think he's already sparked a few competitors now, like slinging other

Starting point is 01:02:03 products and no way really. Yeah, so the thing about prime too, like the drink, the Paul Brothers, whatever, have like, I guess over in, I think it's in the UK, it's like almost like, triple the price because it's like, it costs so much to fall out and whatever. Anyways, so the perception of it being expensive, I think has made it its way back to like the kids

Starting point is 01:02:27 of like it's like a commodity and so anyway. So this is like a competitive thing to what Ethan's doing and then they're all kind of trying to like get market share and it's just funny to watch how this all kind of of people. You know how effective those guys are? My kids ask me about prime, to my niece and nephew. Prime, like what do you know about that? It's literally just based off of their knowledge

Starting point is 01:02:48 of their YouTube channel. It's crazy. Yeah, they don't even care about the products, just that it's a cool thing that they want to have. We got one more mention for Organifi. I do want to say this about Organifi, their green juice is clutch when I travel. Absolute clutch when I travel.

Starting point is 01:03:05 If I don't have that, I get gut issues every single time. You should hook your son up with Organify since we get a bunch of free stuff in the market. We can't afford him. Okay, I gotta make sure he's a good salesman first. Yeah. Yeah, to sling all the crappy products first and then all.

Starting point is 01:03:22 I'll help you with that. Yeah, yeah. And then give him the mind. This generation, this generation has been targeted with protein. So they know the benefits of high protein. Because remember way back when we was talking about how like the next you called this out when we first started the show that, you know, protein will be in everything. Remember, and then all of a sudden protein was in like, so that I feel like the generation

Starting point is 01:03:41 now knows that high protein is a good thing. So, you know, selling protein shakes out competing, you know, and you got great margins since you're getting it for free from dad. I think you could crush out there. Is it? I'm sure we'll start working it out. I'm in commission. So for a shout out today, I was, I don't know what he posted.

Starting point is 01:03:57 It says he posts so much good stuff anyways. Is Dr. Andy Galpin. So if you don't follow him on Instagram, Some of the best research on muscle building and strength. Yeah, he's over 100,000 followers now. Finally, he's, in my opinion, is deserved. He was just on wealth of information. I think that's what really blew him up. I think he, Uberman.

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Starting point is 01:05:10 How do I reverse out of excessive daily cardio? I lived six days a week and will continue to do so, but fell into a heavy cardio trap. I want to decrease, but I'm afraid my body will blow up if I don't reverse correctly. Please help. Oh, good question. Very common.

Starting point is 01:05:28 A couple different ways that I used to do this and it depends on the person. Sometimes I would literally just have them stop. I would just have them cut all cardio out. We would focus on strength training, maybe change the strength training program up. And then what would happen is it would just get stronger and build more muscle.

Starting point is 01:05:43 So they didn't gain any body fat, they just excess calories would go to muscle than the fast metabolism would offset any cardio calories that we're burning before. The second option would be just to cut it slowly. So I'd go from six days a week to three days a week, down to two days a week, down to daily walking type of deal. And then with that, you'll see, you should see

Starting point is 01:06:04 strength gains in your workouts along the ride. You should start to see more of those gains. The goal would be to not gain body fat, but rather build muscle through this process. So obviously, the depends answer is here, like on the experience level, the calorie intake, exactly what the program looks like. But generic good advice I think right here is I take whatever they are doing cardio, becomes walking now, and whatever program they're following, I switch to a different modality,

Starting point is 01:06:35 or like a different adaptation that we're focusing on. So, this is why I love the way we've organized like the maps programs. So if somebody said to me like, oh, I follow something very similar to like maps aesthetic, let's say, then I might have them follow a program like map strong, you know, something that is totally different than the maps aesthetic program and then replace their cardio where they're, you know, running or whatever it is that they're doing for their cardio

Starting point is 01:07:00 with walking. And then scale back eventually, even some of that walking, if that's, if they're doing that much of it So that is what it would look like and if you do that You're not losing that much as far as the calorie burn and hopefully any increased in calories Goes to the new adaptation that we're sending. That was sort of the angle. I was thinking in terms of like being able to I Guess restructure that in terms of making it more active recovery instead of like being able to, I guess, restructure that in terms of making it more active recovery instead of like intensive cardio.

Starting point is 01:07:29 Just because these people are busy bodies and they need like constantly something to engage that need. And to do that, you can actually create a very good situation where you are weight training and you're going to want to put the importance on the weight training part, you know, to your earlier point and kind of refocus it on that, but the days in between especially in the off time to have a more restorative activity scheduled with that, I think, will pair nicely with somebody that's

Starting point is 01:08:01 very cardio-focused. Yeah, so I'm going to say, I'm going to tip toe with what I'm about to say because this isn't going to happen to everybody, but I've seen this happen enough times where it does happen where somebody is doing way too much to, they're just cumulative stress, cumulative workouts, lots of cardio. I have them cut the cardio and they get leaner. They actually got leaner. I know that sounds like it doesn't make any sense.

Starting point is 01:08:24 How is that possible when they're, they were burning so many They actually got leaner. I know that sounds like it doesn't make any sense. How is that possible when they were burning so many extra calories at the cardio. I think it was because their body was recovering. And oftentimes it wasn't weight they lost. It was body fat. So they would end up building muscle and losing body fat at the same time. This tended to happen more often with my female clients

Starting point is 01:08:41 who over did everything. I remember the first time this happened, I had this aerobics instructor that worked for me in one of my gyms. She was lifting weights plus teaching classes plus doing those cardio and we had her cut out the cardio, add a little yoga and we were prepared for fat gain. She just got leaner and she didn't change anything,

Starting point is 01:09:01 her diet or anything, it was just that. So that can actually happen when the signal you're sending is to build muscle more than it is to just, you know, I would add to that. And I don't know this person's exact routine, but I would guess it probably looks more like a bodybuilder split, you know, failure type training routine. If they're already kind of this intensity junky and maps and a ball. So get rid of the cardio, replace it with walking, change your programming to maps and a ball three days a week full body, your your other two days trigger sessions and watch what happens. I bet you this person would

Starting point is 01:09:38 see great. Now what's interesting is I wonder if this person even does strain training because the question doesn't say that at all. It's just oh no They do it. They're lifting six days a week. Yeah, they're lifting six days a week plus cardio Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I'd go maps and a ball look and walk Yep, I think I think you're your earlier speculation of them just like cutting volume. Yep, like would do wonders Yep, just cut the cardio. I'm seeing. Yep. Well, that's why I would switch it. I mean walking's not walking's gonna be good for them And there's six days a week of weight training down to three days Yep, oh body watch better situate watch, but again, you know, it's gonna be the hardest The mental part 100% you if you are you're used to doing all that sweating all that cardio. Yeah, it's gonna freak you out

Starting point is 01:10:18 The thing they're gonna blow up is probably the opposite will happen Yeah, and I wouldn't exactly I wouldn't even adjust the diet. No. Eat the same way and just switch out all those, switch out everything you should. It's all about, people can understand this. It's all about the signal that you send your body. And burning calories manually works for a very short period of time.

Starting point is 01:10:38 After that, your body adapts. It learns how to burn less calories over the rest of the day to offset the calories you're burning while you're doing this workout. This is, and they've done studies on this. It's very interesting. I'm not saying there's no health benefits to doing lots of activity. We're talking purely from a fat loss and body composition perspective here, but if you send the right signal and your body wants to build muscle and is trying to get stronger and you're not burning those extra, you know, calories, your body just learns how to have a faster metabolism. It actually builds more muscle. So very interesting, but I've seen it happen many times.

Starting point is 01:11:09 Next question is from Catherine Health Journey. If I'm severely struggling to complete a lift due to feeling out of breath, like when performing a Bulgarian split squat, is that a sign I need to start doing more cardio? You can. You could do more cardio. I like to do more, I guess, what you would label as what conditioning type work. So like for me, hit cardio, definitely would take care of this or pushing the sled, would definitely take care of this. Or, okay, here's the easy one.

Starting point is 01:11:38 You just keep practicing the split stance squat and just keep pushing it. And you'll get more stamina in that particular exercise. But cardio will help with that as well. Yeah, I mean, that 12 minutes of hit, I think is the perfect prescription for this specific thing. I think that you're gonna get what you need from that, like a set of Bulgarian squats,

Starting point is 01:11:56 even if you're doing 12 to 15 reps on each side, which is a lot for that, is not gonna take you longer than a couple minutes. So if you build enough cardio endurance to withstand a 12 minute hit cardio session, you're going to be able to do the Bulgarian split squat. So I think that, and I do like this as an indicator that, hey, I need, because typically, when I'm more concerned about body composition, cardio is always on the kind of the back burner of my mind until I see it affect my weight training.

Starting point is 01:12:22 Once I see it's affect, I was just doing cardio the day first time. I made a big joke about it on my story and stuff like that. But that's kind of the signal for me. It's like, oh, I found myself a little winded doing something that I should be able to accomplish. Like, let me work on my cardio and endurance a little bit. Yeah, I found the same when I was working out is like, you just find that you're struggling a bit more.

Starting point is 01:12:41 I didn't know if it was my central nervous system and if I was lacking strength, but for me, it was just the fatigue of it and to get back into doing things with more cardiovascular output really did help to then contribute towards better performance in my workout. So it is something that I do pay attention to

Starting point is 01:12:59 and know that every now and then I got to cycle that in otherwise I'm not going to reap the benefit. Yeah, two, two, here's a couple of things that are great for the kind of stamina that I think this person's talking about. One is you could do like giant sets where you do like three exercises back to back. Some people call that a circuit.

Starting point is 01:13:19 You can call it a circuit. I call it a giant set. Call it a tricec. Or tricec. Could you rest in between? Yeah, no rest in between So you like one exercise to another exercise to another exercise and there's a different ways to pair them We've done other episodes talking about that. It's not just random exercises. There's programming that goes with it

Starting point is 01:13:34 So that's more of a like bodybuilding way The other thing and a lot of people don't talk a lot about this, but you jump rope jumping rope for 60 seconds like if you've never done it rope for 60 seconds. Like if you've never done it before, do 60 seconds of continual rope jumping, like that builds some tremendous stamina. I mean, 10 minutes of jumping rope is like, boy, that's like an hour.

Starting point is 01:13:56 Oh yeah, that's really be tough. And I'll say start slow because it will, you'll feed in your calves and your Achilles will get sore. But, you know, rope jumping is a great form of building stamina, a great way to build stamina. Next question is from Guy Petagru. What's the best way to incorporate isometrics as a form of trigger sessions

Starting point is 01:14:16 to enhance mind muscle connection? Ah, isometrics are, you know, I love seeing that more and more people are talking about them because when we started the podcast, nobody talked about isometrics. Justin would bring it up. Nobody talked about that. Talk into a wall.

Starting point is 01:14:31 Yes. And then that got me interested, and now let's start reading the research back then, and I remember seeing all the research, and it sparked my interest as well. So it's pretty phenomenal. I like isometrics to movement based, not necessarily muscle based. You can use a stick or a PVC pipe for some of the stuff, but you get into a position, you hold that position and you drive the stick into the wall or into the floor

Starting point is 01:14:56 or up into the cage and hold the position. It's quite intense. It's a bit exhausting. We have some YouTube videos on some of these, some movements. I think we have a YouTube video on the Dumpfysquat about the steak in and maybe a couple more that we can link to this. That's the way I like to do it.

Starting point is 01:15:13 Bodybuilders, the pass, will just pose and flex, which is not a joke either. Like for anybody who's ever competed in bodybuilding and knows getting on stage, posing, looks like they're not doing anything, you try to pose and flex every muscle at the same time and hold that position for 30 seconds. And that's a form of isometric.

Starting point is 01:15:30 Well, and also too, I think that you could hold the most difficult portion of the exercise. Like, see the very bottom of your push up and just hold that, you know, for an extended amount of time and focus on that or like a pull up or a chin up and really kind of focus on, you know, the most difficult portion of that wrap. of time and focus on that or like a pull up or a chin up and really kind of focus on you know the most difficult portion of that wrap and I think calisthenics work type exercise work very well for this and to be able to hold it in the position that you struggle all the most. I think that's another way to kind of approach it besides you know using a tool or something

Starting point is 01:16:03 to kind of drive that. Yeah, I'm assuming this person is asking because they want to build more muscle. That's probably the main goal, but I'm with you, Sal, if I got somebody who wants to incorporate isometrics and it's on trigger days or they're off days of training, I would prefer my client focus more on mobility stuff. So like, Prime Pro would be a good example,

Starting point is 01:16:22 the webinar that I did on this, where you do 90,s and and isometric moves that are going to benefit your overall movement. And the reason why I know at first you may not think, oh, I want more of the pump, I want more of the muscle, I want to build more muscle. But if you work on these limiting factors like with your squat or your like combat stretch for ankle mobility. Let's say you can't break 90 because you're limited because you're a range of motion in your ankles.

Starting point is 01:16:51 Well, you doing isometrics for combat stretch and doing that on your off days is gonna benefit the depth of your squat. That new found range of motion on your squat is gonna benefit you muscle building. Yes, totally. So if my client was asking, I've had more people get more benefit

Starting point is 01:17:08 from doing what you're saying than any of the four. So I believe so too. So if a client asked me this for that reason, I would still push them in the direction of, okay, well, let's address. Good call. You know, your range of motion that you lack in your shoulders or your scapula

Starting point is 01:17:25 or let's, your ankles or your hips and let's do those isometric holds that we have in Prime Pro to address those things because if I can get a greater range of motion out of your shoulders, a greater range of motion out of your squat, like those things will end up adding more muscle and also benefits you as far as like the way you

Starting point is 01:17:45 feel too. Like if you had any chronic pain potentially bothering you or you just want to prevent chronic pain from happening in the future, like that I think is a better choice of utilizing it as a trigger session. Next question is from a glimpse of me. Is semaglutide a good tool if you're struggling to lose fat. The recent discussion on episode 2014 made it sound like it was. I thought using pharma medications was not a good thing. Okay, so let's be really clear here. First off, nothing will come close to replacing

Starting point is 01:18:25 placing your changing your lifestyle, diet, how you exercise, sleep, stress, like those are gonna make the biggest impact on fat loss, plus there are benefits that go above and beyond just fat loss, like the psychological benefits, the overall health benefits. There's just nothing comes close. Now semi-glutite is a peptide, I think it's a GLP1 agonist, it's like this class of peptides that have been researched for diabetes or to improve insulin sensitivity.

Starting point is 01:18:59 And studies show that they quite effectively induce weight loss. Now, in comparison to like the weight loss drugs of the past, some agglutide and other GLP1 receptor agonists, like they blow them out of the water because the old medications for weight loss were stimulants and they had all these terrible side effects and stuff like that. So these are just better, they're much better, but this is not, like someone says,

Starting point is 01:19:27 I'm struggling to lose fat. Well, let me look at your diet, let me look at your training, let me look at your lifestyle, let me look at your sleep, because I guarantee you, you won't struggle with fat loss. If I can look at those things and adjust them in appropriate ways and adjust the way

Starting point is 01:19:41 that you live your life. If you don't adjust anything and then you take something like some agglutide to lose weight, you'll lose some weight, but you're not gonna get the same kind of benefits. And it's not like you're gonna lose all the body fat. And then there's also some detriments. The most of the way, some of the way that it causes weight loss

Starting point is 01:19:59 is by increasing, I guess you could say, insulin sensitivity, loosely, but a lot of it just from appetite suppression. So what do they find in the studies with some agglutide? increasing, I guess you could say insulin sensitivity, okay, loosely. But a lot of it's just from appetite suppression. So what do they find in the studies with some agglutide? Well, when people who don't work out and don't change their diet, take some agglutide, they lose weight, but they also lose muscle

Starting point is 01:20:16 because they eat less. They're not feeding them their gains. Yeah, so it's not like you just take it and you get these like great results. Even though some agglutide is muscle-sparing, it has muscle-sparing effects. If you don't eat enough protein and you get these like great results. Even though it's similar to glutide is muscle sparing. It has muscle sparing effects. If you don't need enough protein and you're not sending a signal to build muscle

Starting point is 01:20:28 and you just eat less, your body will try to accommodate and adapt by reducing muscle mass because what it's trying to do is, it's trying to slow your metabolism down to match the new calories that you're taking in. So if you take some of glutide, you gotta make sure you get adequate protein intake and you gotta make sure you lift weights. Otherwise, yeah, you'll lose weight, but you'll lose muscle along with it.

Starting point is 01:20:47 In which case, like, who cares, right? Who cares if you lost weight that way? You know, this is an area that I always feel really challenged with this business. And that, you know, one of the core values that we have is radical honesty, right? So I'm a big believer in sharing with our audience if there's stuff that we use, like I've been using hormone therapy for a very long time. So disclosing that and sharing that with our audience, I think is important to keep it transparent.

Starting point is 01:21:18 The fact that we, all of us are extremely interested in peptides and experimenting and using them ourselves right now. We're going to be honest about that. There's supplements that we've partnered with that we use that we love. But at the same time too, all those things do not come before working on your relationship with food, with exercise, your body image. There's so many things that I think that we built this

Starting point is 01:21:47 this business with the intent of helping people in that direction. And for the most part, I think we've done a pretty good job. And then we've come to this place where it's like, okay, well, there's other things that we all novelty bucket. There's other things that we utilize or we like or that we think we're interested in. But it's like, I don't ever want to come across as like, this is the answer for people. And I wouldn't recommend it to most my clients until we get those other big rocks handled. And then it's like, okay, like you've checked all these boxes and you're curious about this peptide. I'm telling you openly that I'm using it and trying it, like why not?

Starting point is 01:22:27 Then I'm not against it, but I always wanna be careful that we don't come off like we're pitching or selling. And I think the whole time we've been partnered up with supplement companies, I think we've always presented this, like Whole Foods is always the first and foremost, but that doesn't mean that I don't grab a beef jerky stick every once in a while, or grab a protein bar because I'm on the go. And this isn't even a moral thing.

Starting point is 01:22:48 It just doesn't come close to comparing. Well that's what I'm saying. We know that those things aren't going to even come close to the things that really matter when it comes to the results. And so it's first, check those boxes. You spend most of your time, your effort, your money. It's like arguing over it. It's new science.

Starting point is 01:23:06 We don't know all of the details. It hasn't been around for that long yet, and we're still sifting through all of that. So it's exciting in terms of what they're coming up with in the science, rounding it with peptides and how they're able to really target these parts of the body and their functions. But in terms of what we always want to lean on, is the foundational blocks of how to get there? Yeah, look, even the ones that have a lot of science behind them and studies and stuff, here's a deal. It's like arguing over the air filter on a performance car. And we haven't even talked about the engine.

Starting point is 01:23:44 The engine of the car makes a big difference. Air filter will make a little bit of a difference, but it's not going to come close to the engine. What the engine is going to do. Look, even testosterone, testosterone of all the peptides and hormones and whatever you could use and take, testosterone by far is the most powerful muscle builder. Nothing comes close. Growth hormone doesn't come close. No other hormones come close.

Starting point is 01:24:06 No peptides or combination of peptides come close to testosterone. If you give a man with low testosterone, not even talking about a normal testosterone man, a man with low testosterone who needs to take testosterone, you give him testosterone and he doesn't lift weights, he'll gain like five pounds of lean body mass. That's it. Could I get him to gain more than five pounds of lean body mass just through proper strength training and diet with low testosterone?

Starting point is 01:24:29 Yes, I could, just to give you an example, right? Now, what happens when you are working out and you pay attention to your exercise and it's consistent and you got a good diet and you're paying attention to that and you sleep, you look at your sleep and your stress. So you lead a healthy lifestyle, it's a priority to you. And then you utilize these things to optimize hormones, you utilize peptides, then it can be really fun.

Starting point is 01:24:53 It can be really fun to see kind of what the next level looks like for you. But besides, if you're not doing those things, like you're wasting your time and it's expensive, I'm gonna be honest with you, some of Glutide is a GLP1 receptor. It's the most popular one. I can run it.

Starting point is 01:25:08 What is that run it? It costs $8,000 a month. Is it up to, that's growth hormone. No, yeah, something like that. So, I mean, it's gonna be expensive. Other peptides are a lot less. And there's other peptides. There's like a whole bunch of peptides.

Starting point is 01:25:19 Some of them are a lot less expensive. But it's like, okay, so let's say you spend, you know, $500 a month on peptides to help yourself out, but you're not working out properly. You've got crappy workout programming, or you're inconsistent in your diet sucks, or what are you going to notice? A little bit, you might get a little more energy, you might feel a little better, where I could take you and do one thing. I could look at your sleep, fix your sleep, and it'll be like life changing. Or you could have a low-vitamined D supplement

Starting point is 01:25:48 with vitamin D. You could go buy it at CVS for $5. And it'll be life changing, right? So we got to put these things in context. That being said, if you're somebody that's interested in this kind of stuff and you're checking the boxes and you're gonna be making sure that you work out consistently, you're diet, a lot of stuff.

Starting point is 01:26:07 Then hell yes. Then you do this kind of stuff, maybe a lot of fun, and it can be quite interesting what you could accomplish. I mean, look, I keep everything pretty consistent. So for me, it's been really fun, because I know when something's doing something, when it's not, because everything else is good, I keep everything in check, I'm very consistent.

Starting point is 01:26:26 So I know, if I add this, wow, I notice, my lips went up by 10 pounds, or I gained four pounds of lean body mass, or my sleep is a little better. Like with testosterone for me, testosterone and peptides for me, now I went from low, when I got tested, it was really low.

Starting point is 01:26:44 My total test was 230 something, which is even, like a general practitioner would have put me on testosterone. That's how low that was. When I went on testosterone of peptides for me, it turned into about 13, 14 pounds of lean body mass with everything else that I was doing. That's a lot, but I work out consistently,

Starting point is 01:27:01 I focus on my sleep, I do all the things, right? And so that's a pretty significant difference, but it on my sleep, I do all the things, right? So that's a pretty significant difference, but it's not like, it's not going to take someone from, you know, at a shape to Mr. Olympia or anything like that. So just to keep things in contact, I think it's a big deal. No, I agree. And if you're interested in something like this,

Starting point is 01:27:18 go through a doctor because you can go online and there's a gray market of these research chemicals, they'll call them. And you don't know, we interviewed a doctor on this, an expert, and he said, it's not that they don't have all of the, you know, it's not that they'll give you 50% of the dose, that's not what you need to worry about. It's that they have all these broken peptides in there that we don't know how they're affecting your body, which is kind of scary.

Starting point is 01:27:45 So go through a doctor, go through a pharmacy that has to follow regulations and get checked and stuff like that. And if you want to talk to a doctor, go to mphormones.com, we have good ones that we connected with. Look, if you like the show, head over to MindPumpFree.com. Check out some of our guides. We have free guides that can help you

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