Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2023: The Best Kind of Training When Cutting, Going Heavier Vs. Going Deeper When Squatting, Ways to Improve Gut Health Without Supplements & More

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Starting point is 00:02:48 If you get stronger, you will see visible changes in your body. You will get a faster metabolism. And it's one of the best signs that you're doing everything right. Strength should be the number one focus when you're working out for under a year. I wanna make sure I say that because, by the way, that's the context, right? That doesn't mean you have crappy workout form, doesn't mean you hurt yourself, you got your everything smart. But if all you did in that first year was just try to get stronger with good technique and good form, you're gonna progress.

Starting point is 00:03:18 No matter what, you're gonna progress. We know what's gonna result if that's really what you're focusing on the most. Totally. There's all good things that are gonna transpire from there. And so like just to focus on that as the main metric, I think it's nice because psychologically that's simplifying it. But to be able to get that to happen, a lot of factors have to be correct. That's right.

Starting point is 00:03:42 I wish I understood this when I was younger. You know, I think something you should add to that is that this is even as important or more important when you have aesthetic goals. Because for the longest time, I had this attitude of, I don't really care how strong I am in the gym. I'm trying to change the way my physique looks,

Starting point is 00:04:06 which I think a lot of people can relate to. I know we have a large audience that wants to be strong, but I would think that more people just want to get rid of their belly fat or just want to sculpt their arms or just want to build their butt. And I think that when you hear someone say get stronger, it's like, that's great, but I don't think that's really, really important to me. Now that's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking specifically to the majority of people, because most people don't work out to get stronger. They like that they get stronger, but the average person goes to the gym or starts exercising because they want

Starting point is 00:04:39 to look better. Okay. And we could talk about, you know, why training for looks isn't necessarily so I don't care about that In the first year of training the reason why I said for the first year is because it gets more complicated after that You obviously cannot get stronger forever consistently There's more factors that play into it your genetics start to limit things and I mean if you can get stronger forever Obviously people have been working out for 20 years and be able to lift, you know, trains, right? So it doesn't work that way afterwards. But for that first year, you could consistently get stronger all year long. Consistently, if you do everything kind of right, you know, if you get decent sleep, decent nutrition,

Starting point is 00:05:17 you're training well, you're doing the right exercises, you're getting good recovery, you'll get stronger relatively consistently for about that first year. And if you do that, your body will look better. In other words, your body will look better at the end of that year than it would had you focused on other metrics, other things in your training, other things that you, if you focused on just the mirror, for example.

Starting point is 00:05:39 If you took two people, one of them looked at the mirror and just said, I'm gonna look at the mirror and focus on that, the other one says, you know, I'm just gonna try and get stronger. The person who focused on getting stronger will them looked at the mirror and just said, I'm gonna look at the mirror and focus on that. The other one says, you know what, I'm just gonna try and get stronger. The person who focused on getting stronger will look better at the end of that year. Well, even then, I mean, if you're just focused

Starting point is 00:05:52 on some of those main lifts that you're trying to get stronger at, there's a lot of other ways to classify, like getting stronger, like in different types of movements and different ranges of motion, in different tempos, in terms of like endurance with that kind of strength. So in terms of it just being about those specific lifts, there's a hole. So if you get in a plateau and a rut where it's like,

Starting point is 00:06:20 I feel like my strength isn't really moving. If you can like refocus that strength in a different direction, too, that's gonna keep everything else moving in the right direction. That's such a good point because I think a lot, another thing that a lot of people think about when you think about just getting stronger is your PR.

Starting point is 00:06:36 Like, what's my max bench? Like, okay, so I should just try and get better at my bench, better at my squat, better at my deadlift as far as my PR. But a PR can be to Justin's point. Oh, I can now, you know, let's say I could, you know, when I started this journey, I could only squat say 185. Well, I'm still only squatting 185, but now I can do it with like a six second negative.

Starting point is 00:06:58 Or I can get multiple reps out of the weight that was, you know, near my master. Or a greener range of motion. Right. Or better control. Like, I mean, there's other ways that you can PR other than just more weight on the bar. It could be a personal record on how well the weight moves. And so, and I think that's an important thing to focus on.

Starting point is 00:07:15 So it doesn't get to this where all you care about is this PR metric and then you sacrifice things like form and technique. Right, so think of it this way. Think of two people lifting a 20 pound dumbbell. One of them is really strong. And the other one is not so strong, but they can still lift the 20 pound dumbbell. How will it look when the strong person lifts the 20 pound dumbbell versus the person who's not as strong? Yeah. So in other words, your technique gets better,

Starting point is 00:07:39 your control gets better, your range of motion gets better, or of course, you add weight to the bar or of of course you add reps. All of that means you get stronger. I used to love doing this with, and this took me a long time to figure out, but when I did, I became so effective at getting people results as a trainer, especially people who want to lose weight.

Starting point is 00:08:00 It's my favorite. When people came to me and said they wanted to get stronger, it was easy, because it's like, I don't need to sell you on anything, that's what we're gonna do. When people came to me and said they want to get stronger, it was easy because it's like I don't need to sell you on anything. That's what we're going to do. When people came to me and said I want to lose You know 30 pounds and I'd say no problem. We're gonna get you stronger. It's what we didn't you hear what I said I want to lose 30 pounds. I know we're gonna get you stronger and then I have to explain why And sure enough the strength turned into muscle turned into a faster metabolism, which then turned into sustainable easier fat

Starting point is 00:08:26 loss. Literally getting people at the end of the year to eat more food than they did when they started with me, and yet they'd lost weight. Like, what a sustainable position in place to be in. Plus, getting stronger feels really good. Even if you don't care about how strong you are, if you gain 10 or 15% more strength, just, let me put it this way, I'll reword this.

Starting point is 00:08:52 If you got 15% stronger, everything you do in life is gonna feel 15% easier. Getting out of your chair, 15% easier. Playing with your kids, 15% easier. Sweeping the kitchen, 15% easier. So strength is amazing. It's also a great metric because it's hard to get poor sleep and get stronger. It's hard to have too much stress and get stronger.

Starting point is 00:09:16 You can't have bad workout programming and get stronger. You can't have a really crappy diet and get stronger for too long. So strength is just, it's this incredible metric. Now, it's not the BLN ball. That's why I said, people who work out, you know, working out for a year or less. Because after that, then it gets a little more complicated. It's much more challenging.

Starting point is 00:09:36 But in that first year, when you're going to the gym, I don't care what your goal is. Fat loss, muscle gain, body sculpting, whatever. Try to get stronger, make that the number one goal, and you'll get there faster and better by focusing on that versus almost anything else. So it's just, it's simple. It really is simple.

Starting point is 00:09:55 Get stronger. That's it. And you'll get there. Are you guys seeing all the news pop up around the fat loss peptides? No. I feel like, I don't know if this is like- It's getting traction. Yeah, I don't know if this is like an interaction. Yeah, I don't know if this is like one of those situations

Starting point is 00:10:06 where when you buy the car, now you see the car everywhere, type of deal, like the fact that we're using peptides, we just got done talking to Dr. Seed recently. And so is it that I'm, is this like bias now that I'm like more aware or because I had a family member, an old client of mine, and then I opened an art, first thing when I opened up my emails today,

Starting point is 00:10:25 had an email, like all three of those happened this weekend, all related to fat loss peptides, and they're all like client, old client and family, like, oh, did you hear about this ozimpic peptide that's supposed to be like a magical fat loss? No, it's blowing up. So I heard about some agglutide,

Starting point is 00:10:43 and that you know, maybe you could look up. They're called GGLP1. GGLP1 receptor agonist I think. Yeah. Confirm that dog. I don't want to get that wrong. That's what the ozimpy case. Yeah. Yeah. So I remember when they first came out and I read the studies, I actually bought shares of one of the pharmaceutical companies that made it because it's the first pharmaceutical anything product. And remember, peptides are not like drugs. When we talked to Dr. C.D. explain that, he said, peptides are based off of actual signaling systems in the body.

Starting point is 00:11:14 It's not like a drug that was created to force your body to do anything, which means they have less side effects. There's natural governors in the body because your body recognizes these particular molecules. They're getting out of your system relatively quick. Yeah, so it's very different. So when I read about it, I remember being like,

Starting point is 00:11:32 oh wow, this initial research is really crazy because it's the first pharmaceutical anything that legit works. And it doesn't work through like this stimulant because like the old fat law strong like fenn fen They're like stimulants and they had heart legal crack. Yeah, like you know and and they had you know Nasty side effects, right? They're not good for your heart. They're not suitable for everybody whatever These ones are interesting. They actually do work now. It's not gonna work like changing your diet or exercise or whatever, but it is something that

Starting point is 00:12:07 literally in the studies are like, don't change anything, just take this and then they'll lose 10 pounds or whatever. So it's pretty phenomenal. Now that the drawbacks are people would also, if they didn't strength train and they didn't monitor their protein intake, they would lose

Starting point is 00:12:25 also lean body mass along with the weight. What it did is, although it is lean body mass sparing, because it makes people eat less, because that's part of what it does, it makes you want to eat less. If you don't try to get protein intake and lift weights, you'll lose weight. That's just body mass. Which is what would exactly happen if you did a large caloric deficit? If you just lose weight weight. That's just body. Which is what would exactly what happened if you did a caloric deficit, a large caloric deficit? Yeah, if you just cut your calories. Yeah, if you just cut your calories a thousand calories

Starting point is 00:12:50 and you saw five, 10 pounds go to the scale, but you didn't lift weights, you didn't keep your protein intake, the exact same thing would happen. Yeah, so. But that's why it's making its waves is because the data's coming out and they're like, oh, we finally have a weight loss, something

Starting point is 00:13:04 that actually deliver somewhat, you know, what is it signaling? Like what's the pathway there in terms of like, you know, it's Doug has that look at, like peptide one receptor. So this is something that they look for in treating type two diabetes. So it was a diet, it was researched as something that helps improve insulin sensitivity. Okay. And so it does work through that process, but then it also has this effect of, you know, people just just kind of just don't want to eat as much. Which I believe to be the main reason why people losing weight. So if you're a little insulin resistant, this will help to

Starting point is 00:13:40 yeah, naturally signal. Yeah. That's what it was originally designed for, a creative for. So Yeah, naturally signal. Yeah, that's what it was originally designed for a creative for so So it is interesting the whole peptide world is I I'll say this this is going to be that whole space Is going to be the biggest it's gonna be the fastest growing biggest kind of breakthrough Space in the format industry that we've seen a long time. It's like when they first discovered opiates, or when they first discovered antibiotics. What do you speculates going to happen? How do you think it's all going to flush out?

Starting point is 00:14:10 Do you think they're going to be regulated like crazy? Is it going to be like, we're going to see all these clinics popping up? Well, so far, there's a gray market where you could buy, which is terrible. It's just so dumb, especially when we interviewed Dr. Seed explain this, you could buy, which is terrible. So especially when we interviewed Dr. Cede explain this, you could buy them as research chemicals and then try to like administer it yourself and create your own formula.

Starting point is 00:14:34 And the way he explained, as he said, when they did analysis on these research chemicals, they found that 60% of them were the actual peptide and the rest of it were like undisclosed peptides. Yes, like Frankenstein peptides. Yeah, you don't even know what they're doing or signaling in the body because that kind of weird stuff. So it's regulated in the sense that pharmaceutical companies, excuse me, compound pharmacies will have to make them. Pharmaceutical companies are researching them, mean, or in some of them are on the market, meaning insurance can cover some of them if a doctor prescribes it to you in that way.

Starting point is 00:15:08 Oh, I don't know insurance was covering some of the peptides. Some of them, yeah. So I believe, I guess if you're diabetic, you could probably get this. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Like Testimarilin, which raises growth hormone, is currently prescribed to people with visceral body fat who have HIV. It's a very specific group of people because it was found to reduce visceral body fat who have HIV. It's a very specific group of people because it was found to reduce visceral body fat.

Starting point is 00:15:28 But do it like the elderly population too? I don't think it's... I don't think it's... Because they started insurance for that. Won't they do that for HGH? Like you would get somebody who's really old and for muscle-sparing purposes. The insurance won't cover HGH

Starting point is 00:15:44 unless you have an HCH deficiency. But they're not scheduled like testosterone. So because of that, you could go through, like if you went through mphormones.com, you could work with them, they have a doctor there, and then they could set you up on peptides. Whereas, you know, if you're going with certain scheduled drugs, then it's a much harder kind of process. So the market is more open in the sense, but you still would want to, if you want, like, if you want it to come from a pharmacy, you work with a dollar. Now, do you predict, because it's a blowing up market, there's

Starting point is 00:16:18 going to be so much money, do you predict that it's not going to stay right or stay open like that? Like, my prediction would be that because there's a lot of money that somebody's gonna lobby for heavy restrictions around it. And then maybe we only have this small window right now where it's in the gray area where people can take advantage of it for relatively cheap or easy access,

Starting point is 00:16:41 but soon it's gonna be tightly regulated because of how effective and how much money is it. Here's how you know that that'll happen. If you start seeing them, if you start seeing lots of articles about athletes getting busted for peptides, because a lot of these peptides are banned by governing agencies. So like, I didn't even thought of that. Like, I wonder, like, so which one specifically

Starting point is 00:17:05 right now are flagged is probably all of them, no? Well, I know the growth hormone releasing ones are, are they hard to, I wonder if they're hard to trace to because they're in and out of your system so fast, you're not naturally to produce it. I was thinking they're hard to catch. I would imagine. But if you start seeing articles where they're like, this athlete, that athlete busted, busted, then the, then the, of course, you know, because that because that will be part of the whole machine, right? The whole machine, what they'll do is they'll first create their narrative to kind of get this public opinion and the public's gonna be like, those cheaters or whatever. And then the politicians will come in and be like, we'll save you. We're gonna regulate the ship. You kind of saw signs of this with sarms, right, with like CrossFit athletes getting popped with the sarms and whatnot,

Starting point is 00:17:46 but I haven't seen anything with peptide. Sarms are totally different. Yeah, totally different things. Sarms are drugs, and they're not naturally occurring. Part of the show, yeah. In the body, and yeah, I would not mess with sarms at all, but yeah. So that's what I would predict.

Starting point is 00:18:00 If that happened, and then if like somebody got hurt from using them and then that got blown up, like I remember when testosterone and animal steroids really became scheduled heavily or controlled heavily was, remember Lyle L. Zato? Yes, yep, there was a huge campaign with that to put fear over steroids. He had brain tumors, which by the way,

Starting point is 00:18:23 steroids don't cause brain tumors at all. There's no, it doesn't do anything to the brain like that. But he got brain tumors, which by the way, Steroids don't cause brain tumors at all. There's no, it doesn't do anything to the brain like that. But he got brain tumors. He comes out and he's like, I took Steroids. I think this is why the media ran with it. Ben Johnson in the 19, I don't remember which Olympics 84 maybe. He was a springboard. Carl Lewis.

Starting point is 00:18:39 No, Carl Lewis, I don't think everybody was a springboard against him. No, no. He ran against him. Yeah. And then later, I think, I think he got busted was running against them. No, no, he ran against them. Yeah. Yes. And then later I think I think he got busted. He might way later on. Yeah, but Ben Johnson was wind straw and that became a popular dude. I got some for since you're bringing up sports in 1984. I had a 1985 sport thing for you that I thought that you would actually even appreciate. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So they did this thing. Okay, for the while I thought this was absolutely brilliant. I did not. So they offered I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say,

Starting point is 00:19:06 I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say,

Starting point is 00:19:22 I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, I just want to say, B.I. Sounds like a term. So the FBI had a list of all of these people that had outstanding warrants. This is 1985. Wait a minute. Is this how you got them? Yeah, that they mailed them a chance to have a free ticket to like the Redskins game. And they all showed up, dude. You moron.

Starting point is 00:19:37 They had like, I forget what the record number of arrests that happened. They showed up. Oh, yeah, the ring is all in the blue. Free tickets. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. What a brilliant, what a brilliant sting, huh? Imagine how many they catch if it was Raiders. Oh, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:19:52 I'm sorry. I know the reputation. The black hole. The only game. Are you looking at it upright, Adog? Yeah, so they caught, they did 144 arrests. It cost $22,000 to run the sting operation and they arrested 145. That's hilarious. Hey, you guys who broke the lock, come over here, we'll give you free stuff.

Starting point is 00:20:11 It's pretty clever, right? Did you ever hear, okay, so you know, some passive free tickets. Some countries do these gun buyback programs, have you heard of this? So in order to like reduce guns or whatever, they'll say, we won't ask any questions. You bring us your gun and we'll give you X amount of dollars for it. Well, some smart people at home made like their own guns, right?

Starting point is 00:20:33 Routimentary guns with like a pipe and wood. Yeah, they had to buy it off. Yeah, and they brought like 15, I heard about this and like, they've like 3D printed a few versions of them and just like brought them to get sold. What a brilliant hustle. If you have to demonstrate that it works,

Starting point is 00:20:47 there's something to look at. Dude, it will speak in a 3d printing. Do you see the newest hustle with the chat GBT and kids now? What? So the kids are using in school a 3d printers to use the writing and chat GBT to prompt prompting chat GBT to write their essays and then they handwrite them with the so it matches their handwriting?

Starting point is 00:21:08 yeah 3d yes do kids now have for every chat GBT and 3d printers look it up hey you know what maybe what we're doing is we're just training a bunch of future entrepreneurs yeah yeah that's basically what I mean you always do was trying to scheme the System of a kid at the school and the kid has figured out how to use a 3d printer like that to mimic their handwriting and in addition to that Prompt chat GBT to give you a good essay the kid probably deserves a guy. Yeah, man exactly like he's like He's a future CEO

Starting point is 00:21:38 3d printer does homework. Yeah, what's It's a efficiency right is? Isn't that the goal? I mean, always. Which it can be. I'm like, did we imagine you to say, I imagine you walking on your son right now, okay? And he's riding his, when he's been mad at him for this.

Starting point is 00:21:53 Yeah, his big senior paper like this. And he's chilling, right? He's like this. He's in his room. He's playing modern warfare, right? And over in the corner is the 3D printer, right? And his essay, you know what I'm saying? Are you mad?

Starting point is 00:22:05 Part of me is, I'm gonna say, the conversation I would have is, I just shake my head and feel ya. It would be about, I'd have the conversation about honesty, because that's a real conversation. But then the other part of me would be like, look, this skill that you have, we can go far away.

Starting point is 00:22:20 Let's use it for good, this correct guess. We just have to use, we have to use this for good. You know what I mean? He's like, well, I'm actually sewing these essays to other kids. Well, that's pretty funny. But I mean, it wasn't half the time here. It's like, oh, I write my essays.

Starting point is 00:22:34 Yeah. These are all the kids that boy, then I be like, he's like, I don't feel comfortable, dad, turning in something that's not my work. And so I actually write my essays, but I've got 15 that are being printed out for every other challenge. A hundred dollars a day.

Starting point is 00:22:47 There's distinctive things I remember about that, right? Like having to write, so they didn't want you to type it up because people would, I mean, they were getting caught like plagiarized in all the times. So we actually had to like hand write. And so I figured out that like,

Starting point is 00:22:59 I start the first paragraph, like super legible and everything's really good. And the rest of us just dog shit. I just, like, and then they wouldn't and the rest of us just dog shit and I just And then they wouldn't read the whole thing because the teachers were lazy Yes, I never heard that word you literally just scribble. Yeah, we just like scribble like half of I swear to God And like dead give away as your teacher lazy as shit. That's crazy. Yes either lazy or what they feel bad for just or they just are like always Get stewed in and then like would just like what they write off like well at least he did the The other day Stupid no I would cycle analyze everyone my teachers like like how they would like how they would like construct these questions because they need to see

Starting point is 00:23:46 Them on the tests and be like this is what they're actually trying to get to yeah, and you'd find the answer easy without even barely like Put in thought into I had I had a teacher that literally I'll never I mean Well, should I say his name? I'm not gonna say his name He would literally sit at the front of class sit, okay, in his desk. And he'd have us take out our textbook. And then we would read the textbook out loud. And that was it. No, I had he did nothing else. Yeah, no, I had to. I had to eat some salt. Sal, page five first paragraph. And then we go through the and literally he would just sit there and he'd read and he'd do his own shit and we just read the fucking textbook. I read yeah

Starting point is 00:24:25 I would read Shakespeare like that and it just take on these roles just cuz I get so bored and I'd give it like a You know I've heard so this yeah like read a Mercutio, you know, you know, like you know, Femi that is hilarious Yeah, cuz you know, you know, it's so boring I don't know that's worse or I had so I had a biology teacher that used to just roll out the TV. So just roll out the TV. As soon as you get the class, I mean, it's like one of your favorite classes because he turned the lights out and you mess around. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:54 Like you roll out the TV and you'd watch some video on whatever we were learning. So I had, so what I used to do with teachers like that, because it's easier to infuriate me because I get bored easily, but I also love to learn. So I'm like, if I had a good teacher, or if I was engaged, I was the best, right? But the teachers that bored me, used to piss me off, and I would poke at them on purpose. And so I had this one teacher that,

Starting point is 00:25:17 at least that whole school year, happened at least five times a lot, where I wasn't paying attention, right? And I had no respect for them and they'd call me out to try and catch me. So Sal, what do I do? And I'd have the answer and they'd be like, yeah, it looks like your class is super easy and I have to pay attention.

Starting point is 00:25:35 I would say some shit like that. And they would always try to catch me, but I'd have the answer because it was a topic that I read about on my own. How annoying. Anyway, speaking of annoying, I had literally the week of hell last week. because it was a topic that I read about on my own. Right, how annoying. Yeah. Anyway, speaking of annoying, I just, I had literally the week of hell last week. Everybody sick.

Starting point is 00:25:50 The week of hell. So here's the thing, you came back and then you went home and then you got all pukey right after that. So there was this like window of like you're kind of normal. No, it started out that my daughter and I got this like cold with a fever, okay? So first we got this cold with the fever. So like, damn, that's when I couldn't,

Starting point is 00:26:14 I didn't come into work or whatever. Then I was feeling a little better and I came to work and then a raileous, you know, I get a message, a raileous is throwing up. I'm like, oh, here we go. Because I don't know if you guys noticed or not, but the neural virus is spreading like wildfire right now, which is a really nasty stomach bug.

Starting point is 00:26:34 So he starts puking, we do our podcast, halfway through the podcast, I'm like, oh man, I feel, I don't feel so good. I go home, Jessica's throwing up, I'm throwing up, Arreira's just throwing up. We gotta take care of all the kids and we're totally sick. If you're a parent and you have especially little kids, and your sick is hell, and their sick is hell,

Starting point is 00:26:55 all at the same time, nightmare. Such a nightmare dude, to get the strength to go like, you know, my son wakes up in the middle of the night because he puked himself, and I myself, I'm like trying to hold it back, and I gotta go in go like, you know, my son wakes up in the middle of the night because he puked himself, and I myself am like trying to hold it back, and I gotta go in there like poor kids crying, I gotta throw him in the tub, and like, what do we do with all this stuff?

Starting point is 00:27:12 That's the bucket, yeah. Throw it away, throw away his sheets, I mean, I'll wash him. Oh, no. What a total man thing to do right there. Yeah, but I just throw it away again. I'll go in there and use it to turn it. Bro, it was, and I felt so bad.

Starting point is 00:27:26 We're not built, we're not built to handle that stuff. I mean, seriously, like, give me a, that's why I went Jessica, got 16 hour work week and the blistering sun and like killing my back to do, I got that. Let me get a nasty cold and the wife and the kid be down, like, oh God, send help, send help. Oh, that's why when she got sick, I was like, oh no.

Starting point is 00:27:46 Yeah. What am I gonna do? Just gonna sick too. Yeah. And then we're all doomed. Poor Rayliest. He's so cute, right? He like throw up or whatever.

Starting point is 00:27:55 And oh, he's all sad. And then he goes up to his mom and he goes, mama, I'm sorry, I throw up. Oh. And I'm just like, when Max does that, breaks my heart. For a guy, he felt bad. Dude, forget sick. Look, it's not your father. It's not your father. It's so sick.

Starting point is 00:28:10 And then it was funny, because then he started getting sympathy, right? Like, how you doing, buddy? And you know, and you know, you never watch his TV, right? We let him watch TV all day, because he was just lethargic and, you know, poor kid, right? So then we're calling family members. And every time somebody would get on the phone, he'd say, Hey, buddy, how you doing? And he'd look down to go, I sick. He just makes this little sad face. Luckily, the baby, the youngest, didn't get it, which I was worried about because

Starting point is 00:28:38 she's only three months. And so Jessica got sick first, which then that was a blessing because, So Jessica got sick first, which then that was a blessing because if you breastfeed, you'll pass your antibodies on to your infant. So she got sick first, so said, okay, cool. So long as Dahlia doesn't get it, like right now, she'll be able to not get it because you'll give her, and sure enough, she didn't get sick, so I was like,

Starting point is 00:28:59 I think God, she got it. Well, I'll snow it in anyway, dude. How weird is that? That's crazy. We don't, we haven't had snow here. I don't know like decades. So you couldn't drive over 17 because of snow now? Yeah. The whole thing was snubbed and they had to like, well, they have no, I mean, we have no equipment. Yeah, as I say, the chino is asking the show. I know the chino is like, oh my god, did it snow that bad? It doesn't have to snow much. I was like, it's not like they're prepared. Yeah. Is this it like going over to snow over in roads? Yeah. So that's the thing too. much. I was like, it's not like they're prepared. Yeah. Is this it like going over to the snow-grade roads?

Starting point is 00:29:26 Yeah. So this thing too, I guess I heard like, so there was some people in Boulder Creek close by with it where I was at four by four trucks. Everything was like, you know, like, it wasn't like they had some like front wheel drive vehicles or sliding around in, but literally had no traction

Starting point is 00:29:42 because the roads aren't really set up for that. And like, like slid completely off and like went into ditches and this was happening like all over the place cars were just whew, just flying off the road. Oh my God. So I was like, there's this old message out like don't leave the house.

Starting point is 00:29:57 Like if you don't have to, but I'm like, really it's that bad? Well that road's not designed for that. They don't have the cal trans set up over there to clear the roads over there like that. So it's just like, you know, that 17 is got, is gotten voted, uh, one of the most dangerous roads. Oh, yeah, in the whole country.

Starting point is 00:30:12 Well, especially, dead man's curve, right? Dude, like back in the day, I think this is the craziest thing ever. They didn't have that center divide. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no And so when my so when my parents grew up over here, like that was the place you race to dead man You would that was how it got its nickname was like kids like racing 17 back before the divider was there That would be the more dangerous You know what I used to do. I used to race on set. Yeah, no And isn't it isn't it? I heard it. I don't know this is true. Just some but you know because you grew up in Santa Cruz Isn't it, isn't it? I heard it, I don't know if it's true, Justin,

Starting point is 00:30:42 but you know, because you grew up in Santa Cruz. Because Santa Cruz, 17 is what connects Santa Cruz in that area to San Jose and so. Is it true that people in Santa Cruz have fought hard to prevent them from building any other ways to come over the hill? Because they don't want it to get super busy. I think there's been lobbying for that, yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:03 I mean, they've done quite a bit of that. And two, just with a lot of the commercial kind of stores and things, like because there's lots of local, like small business and stuff, like they've really tried to kind of keep that intact. And so yeah, I'm sure there's been lobbying for that. But there used to be old Santa Cruz Highway was the first one before they built like 17. But yeah, there was plans at one point

Starting point is 00:31:27 of like making it multiple lanes and like having like a nice easy way to get across. But like, yeah, the traffic's already is bad during the summer to get over. And so I think, yeah, people live there. Yeah, because you can't build out there anymore, right? Hasn't like most that area been all blocked off and turned into like national park area

Starting point is 00:31:47 and stuff like all the trees back by you? I mean, they could if they wanted to. I think with Justin Sink, that's what I heard about. Not if it's already been labeled a national park. That's well, oh, I don't know. Yeah, maybe they know Justin. They've zoned it that way. I mean, there's, yeah, so there's like certain areas

Starting point is 00:32:01 that we're seeing on that mountain, I think, that you have an area that's, you could rebuild in an area, but new areas, I don't think you could even build out there anymore. Because imagine if they, imagine if they made getting over the hill, way easier, how packed it would get, because it's a beautiful area. Yeah. It's great place cheaper, it's less than San Jose because it's so hard to get to because 17 can be pain the ass. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:25 So if they opened it all up, it would just become busy and packed like well, it's true. Yeah, I wonder because even like Scott's Valley's gotten a lot more pop-populated because it's not that far to get over and so it's like the first step and because of virtual work. Yeah, the virtual works open that up quite a bit. Oh, man. It's crazy what I do because I mean, you're on your, you first hit Los Gatos. Like Los Gatos is the, in my opinion, the closest Santa Cruz like vibe to San Jose. And it's ungodly priced.

Starting point is 00:32:57 It's so expensive. It's one of the most expensive places. It is. It's insane. Beverly Hills of San Jose. It really is. Oh, yeah. I got three bedroom, 1500 square foot house in Los Cados would be like what, three million.

Starting point is 00:33:11 Oh, yeah, at least that. At least that. No, it's crazy. That's where my business used to be. I remember and it's crazy. And then there's the areas of Los Cados are a little more expensive, ridiculous. You can't even touch them.

Starting point is 00:33:24 I saw, I went by your old place, and it still got the ass still there. Is it still going? No, I don't think so. I think it was just abandoned. Oh really? So nobody's even leasing that space. I don't know, every time I go by,

Starting point is 00:33:36 I mean, you used to love going to that breakfast spot. I thought for sure you'd go over there still. You don't go over there. I've gone over the few times, my parents go there all the time, and they always look in the window, and stuff, there's nothing in there. So I don't know. It's kind of wild that your logo's go there. Yeah, so I've gone over a few times, my parents go there all the time and they always look in the window and stuff, there's nothing in there. So I don't know.

Starting point is 00:33:47 It's kind of wild that your logo's still there. I know. It is. Interesting. I know, been there for a long, long time. It's a good time. You know, talking about the national park thing and zoning and,

Starting point is 00:33:59 let me let this up for me, I was watching the torturing Katrina and watch the nature stuff, you know? She gets so, she goes, are you punishing me? And I'm like, it's relaxing for me to watch it. I was watching one of the newer ones on Netflix, the one that Obama narrated. And it was doing like all the national parks.

Starting point is 00:34:17 Did you know that like, that wasn't even a thing? Like, and I like bringing this up because I know we talk such, didn't Teddy Roosevelt start that? Yeah. Yeah, and I believe it was, and look up we talk such. Didn't Teddy Roosevelt start that? Roosevelt, yeah. Yeah, and I believe it was, and look up which the first national park in what year it was. Was you Simmady? No, not you Simmady.

Starting point is 00:34:32 I think it was actually Yellowstone. Yellowstone was the first one. But what I found fascinating about this, and this is why I wanted to bring it up, is because we always share negative stuff, and it's always like, oh, how bad we are to the earth, and also with that. First of all, these national parks didn't exist just 60 plus years ago. I think it's around that time, give or take. So they didn't even exist.

Starting point is 00:34:50 And now there's like tens of thousands across the way. Like it caught like wildfires as a trend of protecting all these areas. Because you have national parks, you have state parks, you have county parks. And they're, you know, you're seeing a lot of these, you know, species that we're gonna go extinct. That are repopia, bison is one of them.

Starting point is 00:35:10 Like you see all these that are, I mean, the condor, like there's a lot of these animals that we're gonna go extinct that because we have saved these made of national parks and they're starting to repopulate and grow. There's like, they made a lot of good traits and then the amount of carbon too. Like, it's been incredible what we've done.

Starting point is 00:35:27 And I didn't know that. I thought they had been around forever. I just assumed that. No, I think we never highlight the positive things. I think it was real about that start. It was it? No, it wasn't actually was under, let's see, President Grant.

Starting point is 00:35:38 Oh, so before this was in 1872. It was the first one. It was Yellowstone. Oh, so it was like 2 million acres. Yeah. And how many total do we have now? Oh boy. Yeah, let me find yeah, fine Total now. Have you guys been the Yellowstone? Oh Yeah, we're not as little oh It's so yes, somebody is one of the most beautiful in terms of like picture-esque, right? But Yellowstone is so spectacular. There's parts of Yellowstone where you feel like you're on another planet.

Starting point is 00:36:06 Better for wildlife. Oh, you see like huge. Oh yeah, yeah, so I went, you know, when I went with Jessica a few years ago and you see like there are just these pools of water with gases coming out and the crazy looking colors in the water, you're like, this is even look like Earth.

Starting point is 00:36:21 This is the super volcano, what happened? Oh, it is a super volcano. You didn't happen. It is a super. You know what? Watching it kill the whole. Where I really want to go is to Patagonia. That's what looks really sick, dude. The amount of like how large that's, I think that's one of the largest in national.

Starting point is 00:36:35 That's over in Chile. Oh, it's like the whole, it's like the whole coastline. It's massive. I'm embarrassed because I thought that was just a brand of clothing. I sort of, you said it in my mind. You said it in my mind.

Starting point is 00:36:43 That Chile or is that Argentina Patagonia? Look it up. I think it's Chile. I don't thought. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind.

Starting point is 00:36:51 You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind.

Starting point is 00:36:59 You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. You said it in my mind. I think it's the largest, I think it's now grown to be like one of the largest collection of national parks that they've- Really?

Starting point is 00:37:08 Yeah, and just the amount of wildlife and stuff that is there is unbelievable. Wow, that's cool. Hey, did you guys see in a bro Bible that they did this thing on TikTok and asked like all these fitness dudes, what their favorite workout shirt or where it was. Viori, first place. This Strato Tech, that's a big plug from Bro Bible.

Starting point is 00:37:33 This Strato Tech T, like Jim Bros, they all said it was the most comfortable best shirt. Dude, Viori just crushing, killing it. Yeah, killing it. Wow. It's crazy. If you, if I'm L killing it. Yeah, killing it. Wow, it's crazy. If you, if I'm Lululemon and I see them coming up, I'm like, all right guys, we got to, I mean, I guarantee now they're having meetings

Starting point is 00:37:53 and trying to figure out what to do because Vury's just exploding. Yeah, be interesting to see. Yeah, look at that, row Bible. Wow, yeah. So the men of TikTok say that this Vury's t-shirt is the softest shirt you'll ever wear. It is. That's my favorite shirt. That's my favorite shirt. You put it on and it's straight up on is the softest shirt you'll ever wear. It is.

Starting point is 00:38:05 That's my favorite shirt. You put it on and it's straight up on the hard to do. That's not an ad. No, no, that's a legit, it's a legit article. Wow. All right. What a great plug for that. Speaking of things that are not legit, I'm gonna try and keep this from turning into

Starting point is 00:38:19 angry rant time. But I don't know you guys see the Wall Street Journal article that came out on COVID-19? Oh my god, yes, let's talk about this. Do you see about this? Yes, rant time. But I don't know if you guys see the Wall Street Journal article that came out on, uh, oh my god. Yes. Let's talk about this. Yes, I have. So I think it was the FBI. I've seen the change of narrative.

Starting point is 00:38:32 That's what I've seen. But go ahead. Oh, here it is. So CAA FBI coming out saying, Hey, everybody, it's likely that COVID was part of energy. A created, yeah, it was a, it was a, a virus created in the Wuhan laboratory and it leaked. Oh, the one that they censored everybody and said, that's conspiracy. Yeah. So here's where, this is where I want to go with it. Is the most likely scenario. I'm going to go down, I'm going to go down the list of stuff

Starting point is 00:38:58 that would have got you kicked off social media or lost your job if you were a doctor or a researcher or a teacher or any other public figure. I'm going to go down the list. Okay. Let's start with this is a virus coming from a place which is what in the entire region where they do gain a function type research on, on, and create new viruses. It may be a leak. In fact, some scientists came out and said early on, on, on, and create new viruses. It may be a leak. In fact, some scientists came out and said early on, hey, we analyze this. The odds that this is in natural viruses very low. By the way, as people lost their jobs, it got censored. Okay. So that's one. Here's

Starting point is 00:39:34 number two. Hey, you know, wearing masks, it's not going to work with something like this. That would have got you censored. Cockroof review just comes out. Oh, it turns out masks did day irrelevant. Nothing. Why are, why are weemary review just comes out. Oh, it turns out mass did it day. A relevant nothing. Why are, why are you still wearing them? Number three, well, we're gonna get there. Comfort, so you're gonna pass fire. We'll get there. Number three.

Starting point is 00:39:53 It's like a, number three. Number three, lockdowns. Everybody, oh, lock everybody down. Shut businesses down. Keep everybody up, do whatever. And the policies leading up to to right before this last pandemic, they never would have enacted stuff like this. In fact, that was never a strategy. All of a sudden, we're locking everybody down. Of course, they start by saying two weeks that flattened the

Starting point is 00:40:15 curb, turned into two years. That the studies are now coming out showing. The lockdowns did dick, did nothing. Well, number four destroyed small business. These vaccines 90% effective. If you don't get it, you're gonna be spreading the virus whatever, guess what? You get the vaccine, you still spread the fucking virus. Okay, so this is all of it, all of it was complete bullshit. And what it is, and this is the truth now, I'm gonna make

Starting point is 00:40:39 every single level. I'm gonna make a statement right now that I've avoided saying since the beginning of this, but I've totally believed this was this was the largest organized organized by the entire Western world. Sciop ever conducted on people. Everybody got sci-opted so hard and the ramifications that that came from that are distrust in the medical community, the scientific community, and we killed more people than we saved.

Starting point is 00:41:08 Because now we know, which a lot of smart people were saying, we're going to destroy the fabric of society. You're going to cause other unintended consequences. What are those? OBSCity went up. Cancer deaths went up because people stopped going. Suicide went up. Suicide went up.

Starting point is 00:41:22 Drug abuse went up. Oh, we're going to force little kids to wear masks because we're you know whatever even though early on we knew that kids had no to play no role had no risk whatever yeah so you had developmental issues because children need to read faces and lips and see people and now they're isolated so childhood depression suicide rates among kids went through the roof we literally literally what we did was we had a cut on our hand and we said, we should cut our arm off and that's gonna save everybody.

Starting point is 00:41:48 We hurt ourselves so bad and I'm definitely upset at the propaganda that came from all angles, but I'm more upset at the cowards that I'm talking about the regular people who, not on themselves, who decided it was good to impose this on other people, tyrannizing who lashed out on everybody else. Destroy people's business, people lost their jobs, and businesses, and children lost education,

Starting point is 00:42:15 and terrible. And all the evidence now is there. It's totally clear. So what I'd like to see now is moving forward. I'd like to see people next time this happens, because it's going to happen in different form. Next time people do give the middle finger and say, no, I'm going to preserve my liberty and you can suck it. I'm not going to do any of your crazy shit anymore. That's what I'd like to see. You think that'll happen? I don't. No, that's the history says no. I mean unfortunately this just makes me more angry.

Starting point is 00:42:45 Like it's tough to, it's tough, you know, place to be in because it's like, you know, a lot of things that I was alarmed by and was like, this is a red flag for me and, you know, I'm gonna see how this played out exactly how I, like I thought it would. Yeah, and that's the most frustrating part. Yeah, and you know, this is connected to so many other things.

Starting point is 00:43:06 I first off, people want to get rid of, while this was happening by the way, there was a large segment of our population that a majority of, I'm not gonna say which political side but you can guess, when they would do polls, a majority of them agreed that people should be locked in their houses. These were polls that were agreed that people should be locked in their houses. These were polls that were done.

Starting point is 00:43:27 They should be locked in their houses. People should lose their jobs. 30% of the same side said that people's kids should be taken from them. If they refuse to vaccinate them or they refuse to wear masks and do that kind of stuff. Those are the, that stuff is so alarming. And this is why Americans won't give up their guns

Starting point is 00:43:46 Bottom line because they know when shit hits the fan that The only person who's got my own back is gonna be me and and and why our state system is always gonna exist Because if we didn't have our state system the federal government would have imposed all kinds of crazy stuff on us Like they did in Australia like they did in New Zealand like they didn't Italy and France and in the UK and other countries. That saved our assets was our Supreme Court system and our state system because a lot of states were like, no, we're not doing that. We don't live in one of those unfortunately in California, but other states did stop that incentive.

Starting point is 00:44:19 That is why I get so fascinated by cults. I mean, it's like a little microcosm of the bigger society at whole. Like the same percentages of people that just completely conform, even though that they know there's questionable activity at the top, don't question it. They just fall lockstep in line. And it's, to me, it's interesting.

Starting point is 00:44:40 I just wanna look at like what that is and human behavior and like the trends and the tendencies there. So that way, yeah, we can sort of like get ahead of a lot of these things. I think the crazy part that is, I did a poll a while back and there was a good percentage of people that regretted doing the vaccine and stuff like that,

Starting point is 00:45:01 but there's still a much larger percentage that the damages done, they've already been manipulated that. And now, like, we're even making jokes about it. So what do you hear, Austin came out on Saturday Night Live and did like a little, a little skit. Right. And I think that the, the narrative now is like, we, oh, you know, we did the best we could with the information that we had. And at that time, that's what it was. And now we know better. And oh, stupid us.

Starting point is 00:45:30 And let's laugh it off. And to me, that is what's happening. Because again, I still have a press counterpoints. I haven't seen any of my friends that were aggressively pushing this agenda also come out and admit they were wrong even. They don't think they were wrong. They again, they're doubling down on, well, at the time, it was the best. It seemed like the right move.

Starting point is 00:45:54 We thought it was the right move and looking back, of course, but we didn't know that. We didn't know. This was us being safe the same as we thought we could be. I'm not mad at people for doing stuff for themselves. I get it, man. This was such a coordinated, psi-op attack from all angles, media, science. Your work would tell you you're gonna be fired,

Starting point is 00:46:17 your neighbors. And not only that, you had all Western nations were doing this unified together. So I'm not mad at people who were doing it for themselves. I'm mad at the people who said, I'm doing it for me, but you have to be forced to. You should lose your job if you don't do what I... So we need to do moving forward is if shit happens, we need to stand lines with liberty. And what does that say?

Starting point is 00:46:40 If shit happens, it's your responsibility. If you don't want to go meet with other people, that's your choice. If you don't want to open your business, it's your responsibility. If you don't wanna go meet with other people that that's your choice. If you don't wanna open your business, that's your choice. If you wanna put a sign on your business that says, you can't come in here unless you wear a mask or unless you're vaccinated, that's your choice. But that business over there, that guy wants to sell donuts,

Starting point is 00:46:57 and on his sign it says, anybody welcome, hits his business, and the people who go in, that's their choice. That's what's in line with liberty. And history shows us that the people that impose the crazy controls and tyranny are never right. It's never, never. Tell me a time when it was a great idea.

Starting point is 00:47:15 By the way, when China was locking people down, locking people in their apartments, literally, they would, they would weld their locks shut. They're locked shut. And their door shut. It's crazy. You had politicians from America and scientists from America coming over here saying, it's working guys over there with their doing stand-in.

Starting point is 00:47:31 It's just pure propaganda. It ain't working. China's got, they're not. No, it's over too. No. Oh, absolutely. No, there was a lot of. Plenty of counterpoints and plenty of people out there kind of voicing their warnings and

Starting point is 00:47:44 alarms and trying to get to, you know, them to reconsider these policies and methods. And they, but it got completely snuffed and suppressed and literally labeled as conspiracy theorists or they demonized and villainized anybody that had any opposing point, which is never good, never, never good. Like you have to have dials. You have to have pushback, because you have to be able to overcome those,

Starting point is 00:48:14 you know, that pushback with reasonable answers. And if you can't provide a reasonable, logical answer to these counterpoints, then it's bullshit propaganda. Yeah, and the damage is gonna be so long last thing. I mean, you know, people, it's so sad. There were people that died alone in hospitals because no one was allowed to visit them. Funerals were not allowed to be held.

Starting point is 00:48:39 You know, you lose a loved one. We can't go, we can't go. Like our society is built. We're humans. We're so social, right? Do you know how destructive that is? To force people to not be around each other when somebody dies or a baby's born, or you're kid is sick, and you can't go in the hospital. Wedding is funerals. It's just crazy. I mean, it was, it's collective insanity.

Starting point is 00:49:01 And like I said, I don't know, I hope this lasts, at least the few generations, where people look back and go. Unfortunately, what's gonna, my fear is, all this did was create so much distrust in everything that now nobody trusts anything. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't think anybody learned from it.

Starting point is 00:49:20 And I think that if they were brilliant enough to do a siop like this, they'll just still find another way to do it. And it'll it'll look different the next time and because it'll look enough different that people all fall on the same bullshit trap. And it's I mean, the end of the day, the truth, most people are sheep. Most people want to be led, want to be told, not most people don't want to push back or stand up for themselves. It's a fact. We know that.

Starting point is 00:49:45 So, to me, it's why I'm so over it. I'm so over even talking about it. It's like the stuff that you're talking about right now, like is any of this a shock or a surprise? I mean, just because they're coming out and the new. So to me, like really, all you're seeing right now, they've known all that shit for a long time. They're just now dripping it to us a little bit at a time, so then we could laugh it off

Starting point is 00:50:07 and say things like, oh, well, we did the best we could when that, and that's just all part of it. And then we'll look back in five years, and be like, oh man, remember that time we made that little mistake, and people fall for the next one. It's just, well, one of the more, if you didn't see that, you probably won't see the next one. No, okay, now to speak logically, you have to always, whenever you're enacting a policy, you have to consider

Starting point is 00:50:31 the unintended consequences and you can't look at something one-sided. What we did is we took infectious disease experts and if you weren't an infectious disease expert, nobody wanted here what you had to say. Oh no, you're not qualified. So we had a bunch of infectious disease experts come out and tell us what our policy should be and they didn't talk to anybody who understands economics. They didn't talk to psychologists, social scientists, they didn't talk to parents. They didn't talk to anybody else who would have said, wait a minute, this infectious

Starting point is 00:51:02 disease expert says we should force three year olds to wear masks in preschool, but that's gonna damage their learning ability, their brain development, their social skills, what about the depression? So nobody considered anything else. It was all about, well, if we can reduce it by one case, it's worth it. You know, which it didn't, by the way.

Starting point is 00:51:22 Now the data's coming out and they're like, it didn't do anything. It's a lot of terrible. Do you think, don't you think that's like the root difference between someone who would label themselves conservative versus progressive? So one who's progressive is always going to push for taking chances and doing things without for sure thinking about the unintended consequences. Someone who's on the conservative side is going to be conservative on it. Like, maybe that's a good idea, but let's test more.

Starting point is 00:51:46 Let's be more, isn't that like the root difference between two different people or ideologies of how you believe all things should be done? You need, isn't that where it comes from? You need both and both can become toxic. You need one to push change innovation and to reevaluate what's always being done, which is important. But then you need the other side to say, hold on a second, this has been done a particular way for so long because of these particular value. So you do need that balance, but I don't know, to me, it's just-

Starting point is 00:52:16 I mean, that's what I, when I think back to what we saw unfold is like, and then just in this case, the progressive people won the battle of getting their agenda pushed and looking back now, now it looks like all the conservative people were correct. Yeah. But what if it was the other way around? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like I said, you need a balance.

Starting point is 00:52:36 I think who always wins is the one that can scare everybody the most. And conservatives have done this in the past too, when they were the war mongers, which they've been in the past too when they were the war mongers which they've been in the past when they're the ones that say you know hey so ironic how that flipped well because it's whoever's in power becomes the war mongering party yeah so that's why the whole like two sides things sometimes is like really not really yeah it's the same coin it's yeah header tails it's still the quarter just moving in whatever direction they want. Yeah, so obviously.

Starting point is 00:53:07 On a lighter note for Doug. I have, I have, I have, I was trying not to rant, Doug. I have some dad trivia again for you guys. Let's do it. Andrew, you can play. Okay, so this is, first person to get this, where is the Lion King that based out of like the Pride Lands? Where is that, Where is that?

Starting point is 00:53:27 Is Serengeti in Africa? Yeah, because it's... I'm not sure. I thought maybe here. Yeah, because it's not the Sahara Desert. Oh, I don't know what that is. I have no idea. Is it like in Kenya?

Starting point is 00:53:41 Oh, Kenya. Yeah, I can't wait. The song. I can't wait. That's what I said. I don't know what they're saying. I don't know what they're saying. Kenya Kenya Kenya Kenya Kenya Yeah, yeah, yeah, the song okay. Yeah, that's okay The reason why that came up was I was watching that I was watching that Documentary or whatever the narrated by Barack Obama or whatever and They were in Kenya. I can't even remember what what he was what national park he was sharing there And I looked was like, and we had just, I had just been taking my son through the Lion Kings. And so we've been watching Lion King like crazy.

Starting point is 00:54:08 And I took a chance, man, that sure looks like, you know, the Lion King scene, you know, like literally, I look like they actually, what you see in the cartoon, they took that, that, yeah, they took that. It's that's a, that's really how it's laid out. Like very, very similar, right? And I'm like, man, that looks really, that looks really, like, is that really the highest crossing's a that's really how it's laid out like very very similar right and I'm like man That looks really high-scroasing films. It's gotta be right. Yeah, it's up there. It's not the memory I brought to you guys

Starting point is 00:54:32 Oh, they did the top the top producers because they will they count multiple right and liking there's there's two line Kings No, I think there's the one There's a live action. Yeah, the remake. Oh, I thought they did a follow up on it. Yeah, so I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that article in men's health? They were talking about, I guess how athletes are using red light therapy like crazy now. Yeah, so men's health did a feature on, let's see here, the recovery revolution comes home and Jouve was featured in that. In men's, wow, in men's health.

Starting point is 00:55:19 They're actual brand. Yeah, they're actual brand, yeah. Look at that, look at our partners, get some love from big Big public. Yeah, didn't you guys say that the 49ers use yeah, oh, yeah, they're be quite a bit I think they're in way more NFL teams now the Niners were the first to adopt so here's what's cool about red light therapy in the past recovery meant Just simply tamping down inflammation the problem with that is

Starting point is 00:55:44 When youing down inflammation. The problem with that is when you tamp down inflammation, you also inadvertently tamp down the muscle building signal. So it's like, if you take anti-inflammatories or do an ice bath after a workout, you are gonna reduce inflammation, but part of that is also reducing the muscle building signal. Red light therapy does not do that. Red light therapy enhances recovery

Starting point is 00:56:11 and also augments the muscle building signal that also helps with the muscle building part. So it doesn't have that like potential negative effect. So speed up recovery, just still get the adaptation. By the way, that is the science that's being used to do the counter movement on the ice bath right now too. I brought up a few weeks ago about how I see this movement

Starting point is 00:56:36 right now within the fitness community. And it's, they're not intelligent fitness minds. Like you're talking about some smart people, but that's the science that they're latching on to to talk about how stupid the ice bath is. So, no. So, no. No, I know.

Starting point is 00:56:51 I mean, that's just a perfect example though, of how you're using that to talk about and the benefits of red light therapy and recovery mentioning why inflammation has a positive part when it comes to building muscle and the adaptation. Well, this is what ice bath does. It could blunt that. Therefore, we're now saying, okay, it's a terrible use of a tool for building muscle.

Starting point is 00:57:14 It's time out new tools. I want to throw this in real quick. So I just started a brand new peptide that I'm experimenting with called MoTC,-o-t-s dash c. They call it, and I hate this term, because I don't think that's what it is, but they call it exercise in a bottle. I swear to God, if you look it up, there were articles written about it

Starting point is 00:57:34 called exercise in the bottle, because studies on rats showed an improvement in athletic performance by 20 to 40%, because what it does is it increases fat oxidation and glucose uptake and it does through the mitochondria. It literally tells the mitochondria to just burn more energy. Now, the side effect being more energy, better performance and fat loss.

Starting point is 00:57:57 So our partners at mphormones.com, I give them the green light because I'm like, hey guys, give me everything and I'll test it out. I'll be your pin cushion. And they're like, try this. Oh, there it is. The exercise replacement peptide. It's not an exercise replacement. But it is interesting.

Starting point is 00:58:15 So I took my first dose this morning and this is just the first time. So I'm gonna keep doing it like you guys know what's happening. But I do, I did feel like my body's warmer Which some people say that's a side effect of the body burning more But let you guys know how it works see if I get better performance now we're okay So since we know that all studies start in like rap models first Yeah, to make sure they're safe and then we moved to human miles

Starting point is 00:58:41 So I know there's this big knock on any study that's done on a rat. So what friends of ours, like Lane, one of his first ways to shit on someone's study is if it's a rat study right away. It's like this wasn't even done in humans, therefore we're not gonna accept it. It's like real science yet. Right, so here's the difference is that, first off, human studies are always a gold standard,

Starting point is 00:59:02 but peptides already exist. So, MOT seeds in the body anyway. It's not a drug. It's not something that I'm introducing. That doesn't exist in my body. MOT seed already exists in my body. This is what, remember how Dr. Seeds explained it to us. They find that people who have higher amounts of this live longer, less body fat, and tend

Starting point is 00:59:23 to not get diabetes. There's a study out of Japan that showed that this was connected to longevity as well. So the safety of peptides, because they're already in the body, they already exist, and because the body knows what to do with it, and it's just a signaling system, meaning the body already works with these already. It's already evolved to do so.

Starting point is 00:59:42 The potential, the safety profile, you already can assume is going to be much, much higher. Nonetheless, I would still never do this unless I was supervised by a doctor. So my point of bringing the rat study up to you is, are there examples of, you know, a rat study before it makes its way to human studies that is before it makes its way to human studies that is more likely to be useful or positive versus ones that are just like, okay, that's. All the time. I know which one.

Starting point is 01:00:12 Oh, I don't know. That's my point. My point is like, okay, so what I mean by that is like, okay, we hear about this new drug that does something to the rat's gut and that could have positive benefits for repopulating your gut with healthy bacteria and it's amazing or whatever that and it's in a rat.

Starting point is 01:00:28 First, oh, this one actually helps a rat build muscle or this one. And are there humans? Yeah. So are there ones that translate into human studies more consistently? Are there ones that like rarely translate most rat rarely, most rarely translate. So when you look at a drug like a created drug, it's why like lane shits on it. Yes, most of the time, probably 90% right? Yes, most of the time, I think a very small percentage then translate to humans. But again, because

Starting point is 01:00:57 peptides already exist in the body that they find these signaling peptides, they know what they do in the body. And then all they do is say, oh, we know what it does, it's already there. So then if we give it, then it's gonna do what this thing that it does versus drugs. So that's why peptides are not drugs, and I'm glad Dr. Seed's explained that to us. It seems to me like all of these,

Starting point is 01:01:19 even with the red light and peptides that are addressing mitochondrial health. That seems to be sort of the, one of the biggest movers for like longevity and recovery because it's, you know, it's part of the cell and it has so many different aspects to it. That's the main focus of my journey. Is it like keeping taking care of your engine in your car?

Starting point is 01:01:41 Like a car can be a 30, 40 year old car if you keep taking care of the engine, right? If the engine goes to shit, you can look great on the outside, but it ain't gonna get you to last long. If you look at the research on longevity, a good, good portion of it is focused on mitochondria, 100%.

Starting point is 01:01:55 So yeah, pretty cool. Do we have a shout out today? I don't know. I want for you. Once you give love to our doctor Ced since we brought him, since we brought him a lot. What's his page? I think it's doctor Ced.

Starting point is 01:02:04 Is it doctor Ced's? Anyway, it's great. Seed. Is it Dr. Seed's? Anyway, great. One of our, I mean, that was a great interview. We interviewed him and talked about smart dude. Communicates very well, very balanced. So give him a follow, if you're interested. It is William Seed's MD. William Seed's MD, give him a follow.

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Starting point is 01:03:02 and get double rewards points. All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from Hope is Life 50. What do you personally like to do to re-energize your training when you feel in a bit of a rut with your routine? I don't think so, I can answer this. Have you missed a workout? What does that mean? Have you missed a workout in a hairt?

Starting point is 01:03:19 I don't think you're qualified. No, I do find the answer to this. I do things all the time to re-energize my training. Oh yeah, that means it's probably the same thing you guys do. I change my goal. I change my focus. It's got to be the most effective way that I found for myself and even for my clients,

Starting point is 01:03:38 that would kind of get them re-energized. So, you know, one block, it may be to, let's see how much I can train like a bodybuilder and focus on feeling the muscle and getting the pump and sculpting my body. And then, you know, I'm going to train now more like a power lifter or, you know, I'm going to work on the depth of my squat or I'm going to work on my ability to lift something overhead with one arm or work on mobility or something like that. And I'll do it for a block of training. And the reason why it's so energizing is when you do it that way, you see progress.

Starting point is 01:04:16 And progress is fun. It's not fun when you don't see progress, but when you change your workout and you change some of your goals, like if you always train like a bodybuilder, and then you decide you're gonna train more functional. For at least three months, you're gonna see rapid gains in your functional performance, or vice versa, right?

Starting point is 01:04:35 You train functional and you train like a bodybuilder. So I would say it has to be one of the easiest, like, buttons to push when you're feeling kind of like you're in a rut. Yeah, I like to learn a new skill. I like to seek out some kind of new method or in this takes a little bit of research, but to find a concept or a different exercise that I haven't really adopted and see how that would fit within programming in the way that I construct my workouts. But I go back and forth with a lot of these things,

Starting point is 01:05:07 like with the mace bells or like unconventional tools or kettlebells or ways to like, even just using those for, if I'm in like a hypertrophy phase, where is this even fit? Like where does some of these tools like, is it possible or is it best suited for, you know, more of my other types of goals

Starting point is 01:05:27 for mobility or stability or in that regard? I like kind of like going through that whole process and to learning something new stimulates what I've already been doing and that just keeps things kind of fresh. But yeah, for the most part, it's just like trying to find some concepts out there because there's so many of them to gain benefit from and see where it can apply to other types of workouts. Yeah, I think that's tried and true, right?

Starting point is 01:05:53 I think that humans are drawn to novelty. So the obvious easy answer I think is to switch up the goal. If you've attempted fat loss so many times and you've been doing that for most of your life, just changing what you're focused on, I think will help out. Also setting not only different goals, but then all sometimes just kind of what Justin's alluding to, which is focused on an exercise. Learn a new exercise that takes a lot of skill, like a Turkish get up or even swinging like a mace club,

Starting point is 01:06:28 like that's challenging in itself. And so setting a goal like that also depends on where I'm at. Like if I'm consistent, but I'm in a rut, like let's say I'm training consistently, but I'm just plateaued and I'm losing motivation and go to the gym. To me, that's the easy transition into like a whole different goal. But if I'm in a rut, like'm losing motivation and go to the gym to me That's the easy transition into like a whole different goal But if I'm in a rut like I'm not even going to the gym rut and I so and I haven't motivated myself to get back in the swing of things

Starting point is 01:06:54 My best advice is actually starting like with hardly anything which that is new to even me like that the front half of my career and training I was very all or nothing like that the front half of my career and training. I was very all or nothing. We're now, I've had multiple times since we've done the show where I've kind of fallen off the wagon where I've fallen off consistency, even I've strung some weeks together. I mean, I just came off of being sick and moving

Starting point is 01:07:16 and had probably two weeks where I didn't train. And so after something like that happens, I actually set a very low bar. Like, I'm just gonna get in and squat today. You know, that's all I'm gonna hold myself to is to get in and to just a squat. Or, hey, I'm just gonna go do the elliptical for, you know, 15, 20 minutes and do some ab stuff

Starting point is 01:07:34 that I know I need to do. Or I've been neglecting mobile. I'll pick just like one or two things that I know I need to do and just do that versus telling myself I need to get, like, I need to get remotivated and I need to do and just do that versus telling myself I need to get like I need to get remotivated and I need all this momentum and I need to go get a hard workout in because I know I've been off.

Starting point is 01:07:52 I it won't take much to set a positive signal. So I'll actually set the bar really low. So I know all accomplish it because what happens a lot of times when I'm in a rut where I've been inconsistent in the gym and I'm trying to remotivate myself to get back and I'm like, oh, what program of map should I follow now? Let me go follow map strong and I look at the workout. It's like, oh, do I really feel like doing all that right now?

Starting point is 01:08:14 And a lot of times I'll talk myself out of that. So and in the past, that's how it was for me. It was either that or nothing. We're now again, I'll just, I'll pick one exercise. I'll just say, hey, I'm gonna go in and do circus presses. And many times when I do that, it leads to more exercises, but I'm okay with the possibility that I might just do that one exercise

Starting point is 01:08:34 and I might leave the gym. And then I'll build on that as time goes on. Yeah, we, one of the reasons why we've created so many different maps programs, obviously one of the reasons was because there's a lot of different people out there, different goals. But it's also for people who,

Starting point is 01:08:50 because our goal with the podcast, one of our goals is to help people develop kind of this lifelong relationship with fitness where it's something that they always value, they always do because we know the value that it brings to your entire life. And so we have all these different maps programs, part of the reason why we do is so that you could go from one to another to another, like literally if you start with one math program

Starting point is 01:09:15 and you finish it and you follow the next one and you finish it, we have like, we should have now close to two years worth of workouts kind of laid out for you. And then along those lines, if you feel like you're in a rut, like Adam was saying, maps have now close to two years worth of workouts kind of laid out for you. And then along those lines, if you feel like you're in a rut, like Adam was saying, Maps 15 has got to be the best workout answer to that. It's such a great program specifically for that because you're a mentor. You're committing to 15 minutes a day, which if you add up all that time, it's almost two out, two one hour workouts.

Starting point is 01:09:42 So it's almost two hour workouts. It's actually significant, but because it's every day, it's easy to develop the skill of discipline and consistency because it's every single day type of thing. It's not a huge commitment. Everybody has, most people can do like 15 minutes at a time. That's a great program for someone in this particular boat. Next question is from Kelsey J. Is it better to do heavy strength phases while in a cut to send the strongest muscle building signal or to do strength endurance phases to better mentally cope with performance dips?

Starting point is 01:10:18 Which ever one is going to send a more effective muscle building signal to your body is the one that you should do in a cut. By the way, which would you make the case or argue is the most novel. That's it. I was just going to say, by the way, that you weren't doing. That's the same answer for trying to be. Basically. It's the same answer.

Starting point is 01:10:35 So if you always in a strength phase and then you're about to cut, then you could go into a higher rep type workout because it's novel and it's going to send a lot of. They both build muscle, do you? They do, right? So the goal is when you're in a cut is to preserve as much muscle as possible, which means the program that's going to build the most muscle is going to be the most effective, which means the one that's going to be the most novel to your body within the context of muscle building programs.

Starting point is 01:11:01 I want to say that because people might go extreme with novelty and be like, well, I've never done Pilates, you know, but that's okay. That doesn't really build muscle. So whatever within the context of building muscle is the most novel, I used to always do this with my clients. We're going into a cut.

Starting point is 01:11:14 We're going to change your routine. So you're going to get that novel muscle building signal while we cut calories. And that should result in in present muscle. There's some benefits. So like, well, I tend to lean obviously more towards the strength-driven workouts, but to then switch into more hypertrophy like higher rep, it's psychologically better for me in a cut because now I'm not dealing with the performance weights and trying to hero

Starting point is 01:11:43 my way through the workouts I can actually kind of pick weights that are appropriate and and not feel like, you know, I would if I was in a cut doing a strength phase. Nothing, huh? Yeah. That was when they said novel. Yeah. So pretty, I mean, I've answered that a million times. It's pretty straight.

Starting point is 01:12:04 My bad. So pretty, I mean, I've answered that a million times. It's pretty straight. Next question is from Rachel CG12. When working on squats is it better to focus more on going heavier with good form or focus more on going deeper into my squats slowly and control? Well, both of them, both of those will result in improvement on your squat. So getting, adding more weight and, and perfecting form would be progress. Having the same weight, but going deeper in your squat would also equate to.

Starting point is 01:12:35 So long as your form is good and good. Yeah, right, obviously, right. Unless you're, unless you're a power lifter and you're already hitting depth, so then what matters most is adding weight, I would make the argument that the second one is going to be better for you. Because it's going to build as much muscle as the first option. It's less risky because you're not adding more weight. It's more functional. It's better, again, so long as you do it properly for your joints.

Starting point is 01:12:58 Better form and a better range of motion is where I'll lean towards versus going a little more. A little more foundational in terms of like being able to build off of that and then reach sort of a pinnacle of now I can really focus more on adding load to then increase the potential of this exercise. But yeah, I think too, in terms of functional translation like having the pursuit of being able to get a little more depth I think, too, in terms of functional translation, having the pursuit of being able to get a little more depth does make sense for all kinds of other different pursuits.

Starting point is 01:13:31 Yeah, I mean, I strongly agree, but I also recognize I have a bit of a bias. Getting a astagrass squat did so much for me, not just like development wise, which that was great. More importantly, I had presided to my hips for like development wise, which that was great. More importantly, like I had presided to my hips for years. It's gone, it's gone now. No, I haven't had that ever.

Starting point is 01:13:51 And I haven't done, and I also had, I always had hip flexors going on. I had low back issues. I had all these stuff, all the stuff that would be going around with, coming around with my hips and low back, when I increased my squat depth and got to a place where I comfortably can sit all the way down and squat, I've never had any issues ever again.

Starting point is 01:14:14 So for that reason, I'm extremely biased to if I had to choose with a client, which one of these are we gonna do, and I know how much has made a personal impact on my, so definitely if you're somebody who has issues like that, like increasing the range of motion and because really what that did was it increased the stability and strength in my hips.

Starting point is 01:14:35 The stability and strength in my hips, an increased range of motion, alleviated all the back pain and brisidus in my hips. So the things that I did to work on that were so valuable to me. And then on top of that, the side benefit was, I'm able to squat less weight and have as much leg development

Starting point is 01:14:53 or more than what I had with squatting more weight. So, you know, total, you know, complete disclosure too. Obviously, we give advice and we're on podcasts. That doesn't necessarily mean we always follow it ourselves. I'm one of these because my ego gets in the way and it's time and effort to work on things like improving squat mobility and stuff. So I probably definitely, actually, probably,

Starting point is 01:15:20 I should work on working on my mobility and depth. What do I end up doing when I squat typically? Well, if I could squat just below parallel, I'm gonna go heavier. And this is how I tend to do it myself. So it's definitely, I know what the challenge is. The challenge is can I add more weight to the bar, especially when I get close to a PR,

Starting point is 01:15:39 or should I work on formal mobility? Train or Sal, which is the smarter Sal, says do the form in the depth. Workout Sal, which is the not a smart Sal, says add some weight. Add some weight to the floor. Yeah, it's more fun. Next question is Fulvio Castle. What can I do to improve my gut health without supplements? Elimination diet. Yeah, I would go elimination diet to start with. So the so the the and this can be different from person a person

Starting point is 01:16:07 but the most common offenders would be process heavily processed foods egg whites dairy gluten Lagoons and I think that's it. I think those are the main ones. Avoid those and see if you notice improvements, and then if you do, then slowly reintroduce them one at a time. So you introduce one of them for a week, see if you notice anything if it's okay, then go with the next one.

Starting point is 01:16:37 And then I would also include in that list foods that you think you already have, that you notice that you have issues with. And then another thing you could do is don't eat frequently. So you're probably better off giving yourself long breaks in between meals. This is for people with gut issues. And also giving yourself like three hours at least before going to bed. So eat and then go to bed three hours later.

Starting point is 01:17:00 I was going to go as more digestive help in terms of, you know, doing that 10 minute walk after you're in big meals, you know, chewing your food like to the full degree, you know, like which is something that's always overlooked and just like really old, you know, grandma wisdom, but to be able to, and also too, like, I remember Paul Check talking about this and I've tried to kind of implement this, but I used to always have to have a drink with everything I ate

Starting point is 01:17:31 and to be able to not rely on the drink, to kind of wash it down and kind of forces you to really take those extra few bites and then being able to kind of bring that in. But like all that stuff matters in terms of like where it starts is, you know, the digestive process all starts here as you're chewing it up.

Starting point is 01:17:49 Now, that's all good, free advice that we gave. I think there's tremendous value in going to someone like Dr. Cabral and getting tests so they can tell you. What you guys all suggested were ways that that this person could, you know, for free, kind of troubleshoot or potentially improve their gut. But if this is an area that you know you have issues and you wanna improve it. I'm glad you said that.

Starting point is 01:18:15 I think getting tested from someone like that is extremely, because then it's just a matter of disciplining yourself to avoid those things. Yeah. Because to be honest with you, more often than not, the stuff that people yourself to avoid those things. Yeah, because to be honest with you more often than not the stuff that people need to avoid The foods they eat a lot of and so they they try to do all these little things chewing more all the stuff You got to talk about but yet they still are allowing this food in their in their diet that is disrupting

Starting point is 01:18:41 Their gut and so understanding what those foods are, I think are extremely valuable. So going through like the stool test with him, I would advise that if, you know, if- Well, here's the reason. You're willing to invest in that. Here's more to that, Adam. If you're finding that all of a sudden,

Starting point is 01:18:58 you have like all these food intolerances, I guess you could avoid, you know, six different categories of foods or eat a low-fod-map diet for the rest of your life, or you could figure out why the hell all of a sudden, you've got all these food intolerance issues. And that's what going to a functional medicine practitioner like Dr. Stephen Cabral's team.

Starting point is 01:19:18 That's what they'll do because, I'm a prime example. I did a elimination diet, and I had egg whites, peanuts, dairy, legumes. I remember there was a whole list of foods that I couldn't eat, and I was like, I had to gluten, right? I had to avoid them for so long, but then when I finally realized that I had a seabull that wasn't undiagnosed and treated and some parasite issues. When I worked on those, almost all those food intolerances

Starting point is 01:19:48 disappeared. The only one I'm left with is dairy, but I had dairy since I was a kid, so that's more of a, I think that's just with me. So you want to figure out the root cause, what you don't want to do, and a lot of people, I know a lot of people like this, where they never figure out the root cause,

Starting point is 01:20:03 so their diet becomes more limited, more limited, more limited, more limited, and then they have this really limited diet just to kind of manage what's going on, but the reason why they're so limited is because they have some undiagnosed root cause issue. So you can solve it. They're actually very successful at solving these issues. It's not like it used to be where you were just stuck, trying to figure it out on your own and like what the hell is going on type of deal.

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Starting point is 01:20:44 I am. And I, what is my Instagram? My pump to step in O. That should have been our shout out today. My pump to step in O. You can find me on Instagram now, my pump to step in O. A little bit more, you know, censored, I'm not gonna get kicked off again.

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