Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2033: The Difference Between Seated & Standing Calf Raises, the Unique Benefits of Zercher Squats, Unilateral Vs. Bilateral Training & More

Episode Date: March 17, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Here is an easy way to control your appetite, and your energy, and to improve behaviors that lead to healthier eating. START your day off with a high protein, high fiber meal. (2:36) Justin is no longer the ‘cake’ master. (14:10) Nature vs. nurture in raising successful kids. (26:17) What else is there they can make EXTREME? (39:07) What does security mean in a modern/safe world? (41:07) Kids go through phases. (48:15) The best pre-workouts are NOT the ones that give you the most stimulants, but the ones that know how to balance calm compounds with stimulant compounds. (54:40) Shout out to Harry Mack. (58:08) #Quah question #1 - Is there any point trying to build muscle after 40? Or at this point should I be focusing more on maintenance, being leaner, and longevity? (1:01:00) #Quah question #2 - What is the difference between seated vs standing calf raises? I don't have a seated machine in my gym. Are we splitting hairs, or is it a big difference? (1:08:03) #Quah question #3 - I’ve been seeing a lot of growing popularity with Zercher squats & deadlifts. Is there a benefit to those over traditional squats or deadlifts? (1:12:10) #Quah question #4 - Can I do unilateral training indefinitely? Or should it only be used to fix symmetry issues? (1:17:14) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Kreatures of Habit: Meal One for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MP25 at checkout** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** March Promotion: “Time-crunch Bundle” (MAPS 15 Minutes, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Prime + Eat for Performance eBook ALL for only $99.99!! Mind Pump Media PO Box: 1346 The Alameda #7-98, San Jose CA 95126 Mind Pump #2015: How To Apply Advanced Training Techniques To Build More Muscle Watch The Pez Outlaw | Netflix The One Minute Manager Combat Juggling - The World Juggling Federation DMAA in Products Marketed as Dietary Supplements | FDA Mind Pump #1945: How To Formulate A Supplement That Works With Shanais Pelka Visit Mobility Wall for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** Build Your Legs with the Zercher Squat – Mind Pump TV MAPS Symmetry   Mind Pump Free Resources        Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube People Mentioned Kelly Starrett (@thereadystate) Instagram Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk (@garyvee) Instagram Ryan Pineda (@ryanpineda) Instagram Enzo Coglitore (@enzocog) Instagram Harry Mack (@harrymack) Instagram Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness) Instagram Mike Boyle (@bodybyboyle) Instagram  

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So if you're interested go to maps march dot com. All right, here comes a show Here's an easy way to control your appetite your energy and to improve behaviors that lead to healthier eating. Here's an easy tip. Start your day off with a high protein, high fiber meal, both of which have been shown to control satiety for the entire day. In other words, you eat a breakfast that has a good amount of protein and a good amount of fiber. Regardless of what you eat later on, you're less likely to have cravings and you're

less likely to overeat. So this one simple tip alone can actually make a profound difference. Doug, will you look up for me, for male and female average, you know, minimum fiber intake. I want to say, you know, 25 to 35 grams, somewhere in that range is like the bare minimum. 25 to 30. Oh, look at that. Yeah, on five, still around exactly that amount. You know that fiber? Well, I like, I love this tip, Sal,

because, and people have been listening to show for a long time have heard us talk about, one of the strategies that we use when we are dealing with the weight loss client, ironically, when we get somebody who is trying to lose 50 to 100 pounds, the first thing that we use when we are dealing with the weight loss client ironically when we get somebody who is trying to lose 50 to 100 pounds. The first thing that we do is actually add to their diet, which seems like that seems weird. Why don't you do that? Right. You should take away. And what what I found is like it's I'm adding things like fiber, like protein,

like healthy fats because water, yeah, water, like when I assess someone's diet, there's so much that they're missing, and instead of telling them they can't have something and restricting them and playing that psychological game with them, I like to add something. And fiber is, I would say, my top five things that I would adjust at the beginning, and the thing that I thought was always really interesting

about this was, and we talked a little bit about this things that I would adjust at the beginning. And the thing that I thought was always really interesting about this was, and we talked a little bit about this with Kelly Starat is how many people are so disconnected from how their food is affecting their digestion and their stool. And just people thought that that's how they poop all the time. Like it's constipated and like this, or don't shit for the whole day.

I haven't explicit dated it. Yeah, right. And they just, It's just happened. They just chalk it up and have no idea or they don't, they just assume that's their genetics, I guess, or how their body operates,

or it's just the luck of the role of the dice. And it's like, no, you're like, you know, constantly under eating in fiber. Once we get that right, and they're like, oh my God, it feels so much better. I fiber, once we get that right, and they're like, oh my God, it feels so much better. I'll estimate that a good 70% of people who have issues with constipation would be solved

by simply eating adequate amount of fiber and drinking enough water. Literally, those two simple things right there. And now, why do you want to be regular? Well, when you store your stool for longer than you should. You're not full of shit. Yeah, that's right right there. But no, you can cause buildup of things like estrogen.

One of the ways your body gets rid of estrogen, both men and women, is through the stool, causes inflammation, discomfort. Then all of that affects your behaviors, right? It can make you feel irritable, low energy, which then often times, especially in modern society, leads to reaching for food as a comfort. And if you think about people who are obese, it's not because they're hungry all the time, it's because they have cravings and cravings come from

trying to make yourself feel better through eating food. So if you feel good, you tend to eat in a more healthy way. When you feel bad, you tend to eat worse off. This is why after a day of drinking, is when people like the day after when you have a hangover, you tend to want to eat garbage, or if you have poor sleep, you tend to want to eat garbage. But it's funny what you say, Adam, because it took us a long time to figure that out.

Like we're literally giving people the cheat code right now. Took me 10 years to figure that out. Yeah. Is I would tell people to hit the protein targets, hit the fiber-tike targets, drink more water, which is adding, and then they would all lose weight. Right. Why?

Because they ate last. They were more satiated, better behaviors. And also too, I mean, who likes walking around with a standing gut? You know, a lot of times too, like, I mean, there's bloat factor and all that, but like, you just don't have that perception of yourself on a positive light, and so it's like,

you just kind of get into that posture where everything is sort of down, and so you're not bringing good energy into your workouts, into your activities going forward. So it's like all this stuff, sort of, it's like one big loop you're in. Yeah, and the data, by the way, on fiber is pretty damn good. And lots of people actually think, or have tried to make the argument, that fiber should

be considered an essential macro nutrient. Now I know the argument against that, because I guess you could survive without fiber, but the reason why there's an argument saying that it should be considered essential is because there's so much data that shows its health benefits. Now, there are people on the other side of the spectrum, like the carnivore diet type people that say, oh, it's not essential or whatever. People who tend to respond really well to eliminating plants out of their diet have underlying autoimmune issues and the plants tend to trigger those. If you're in that category, that's different.

Like, if you're eating something that's triggering autoimmune issue, then that you need to focus on that first. But the vast majority of people, and again, the data's pretty damn good on this. I would also still challenge that, too, by the way. I would, in what I mean by that, is that I would challenge the person who feels that way about their issues with not eating vegetables and they're on the carnivore diet for autoimmune issues and finding vegetables that actually still agree with you, that there's probably still some out there and like there's probably a couple major offenders

that do that. And so eliminating that. And your way back to the side. Yes, I love. And then so my argument would be that I bet you if you actually worked your way back to adding things like fruit and the vegetables that don't disagree with you that you to improve their health as a small percentage. The rest of them are simply not doing what you're saying, where they actually try to reintroduce and figure out what the real offenders are. There is a small percentage though, like Michaela Peterson is a good example, like severe autoimmune issues and she's very diligent, she's very in tune with what's going on. And I know, I've known a couple people like this. By the way, many times in those scenarios, not always, but many times in those scenarios, there's an underlying reason as to why foods are so triggering, why so many

foods are so triggering. And when you solve that underlying issue, it's not a problem. Now, for the vast, vast, vast majority of people, the data is pretty damn clear. That fiber has lots of health benefits. It's also up there with things that provide or produce satiety. Protein being at the top, fiber being pretty damn close. So if you start your day off with protein and fiber, then what you find is better eating habits throughout the day. And this doesn't matter what you eat for the rest of the day. If you start with protein and fiber, you're going to do better off than if you had not. So it's a great way to start the day. And this is, this doesn't matter what you eat for the rest of the day. If you start with protein and fiber, you're going to do better off than if you had not. So

it's a great way to start the day. Well, don't you think too, like even people that initially go into veganism, like they, it's the fiber that probably makes the most impact in this is like what's been deficient in the time. It is a lot of times. And 100% know, like the opposite of that being carnivore, it's like, you know, have something that's triggering your autoimmune response, you know, so aggressively. And being carnivore, it's like you don't have something that's triggering you're out of immune response so aggressively. And so it's like it's funny, because we get trapped there. Like this is it, I'm an evangelist, this is my thing.

When in fact, it's just highlighting something that was a deficiency. Now, the big barrier to what we just said, start your day off with high protein and fiber, the barrier for most people, this is for all day, but especially in the morning is time. It's always time. Oh my God, that's why the move is the creatures of habit, dude.

That's the creatures habit oatmeal with, and you could even add a half a cup or a cup of blueberries in there too. So that'll boost it even more. Yeah, because it's got one cup of nitro cold brew. Yeah, because one serving, let me see, if I pull up the macros of it. On what, on creatures?

Yeah, so I think Andrew sent, oh here we go, I got it. So one packet of this oatmeal has 30 grams of protein and nine grams of fiber. So you're getting one third of your fiber for the day and a nice shot of protein for the day. Yeah, and it's got adequate carbohydrates, so you get the fuels, got some fat and there's some healthy fats, and it's fast, because I know that's an issue.

People are like, oh my God, okay, protein fiber, I got a cook, I got a prep, I got to make sure I have, that's an extra like 20 minutes, and the morning I got to get the kids ready or whatever, it's like 90 more, 90 throws some microwave, add water, milk, macadamia, nut milk, almond milk, and then boom, you get that, and really it's about how it affects

the rest of your day. It makes a huge difference when it comes to satiety that this, again, this was like a game changer for me. I would tell clients to hit these targets and start their day off this way. And then what I did, and this took me a long time to pay attention to, because I was so like, I'd be so focused on just like specifics, then later on, I took this kind of broader view.

Like, wow, when we start the day this way, the trend tends to look like this. Like, wait a minute, I wonder if this is what's causing it, and then I experiment with my clients, hey, start your day off with this, start your day off with that. And then I'd see like patterns, and then you start off with protein and fiber. Like, the rest of the day would always look better than had they not. Just one of those things. For like three years, that was my-

It's blood sugar, everything. Yep, yeah, staple meal. The oatmeal with protein, this is before creatures of habit, right? You make your own. That was it. I mean, every day. What would you add berries? You'd have to add your nuts and see-

Yeah, so I would do, I would do, my go-to was strawberry walnuts and then the scoop away in like your steel cut oats or whatever. And that was the breakfast. I did that too for every day. I did that for a while as well. And I'd mix up like, you know, some banana and blueberry in there every once in a while just to get a change. And I could use like flaxseed or chia seeds in there.

So that would have been... Have you tried making omel cookies with the creatures of habit yet? I have none. Okay, I wanna try that. Yeah. I wanna try that because I just thought of that right now.

Protein cookies. Protein cookies. That sounds exactly perfect. It does. I want, okay, so, anytime you try and do it. I don't know how to make cookies by the way, so what else would we have?

Just, maybe some almond flour? Yeah, I'm not sure. Eggs almond flour, some butter, some salt. I'm sorry, he's talking a little. What would you think is the potential challenge? Because a lot of times with the healthy foods it either doesn't rise, rise, or just. Well, you put some baking powder or something in there as well.

Okay. I mean, I don't make cookies either, but. You know more about cooking than we do. I know, that's my thought. You throw in a little bit of it. Pull up a little bit of oatmeal cookie. Just a traditional oatmeal cookie recipe. Cause I wanna see.

And see if you can just straight pull out the oats. Yeah, cause I want to. Pull out the oats in there. Again, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about right now, but I'm thinking of peanut butter oatmeal cookies. This is a challenge you're gonna put out there. You can send us the best creatures of habit cookie. I like that actually.

I actually like that. I tell you what different flavors who comes out with the most creative. Whoever comes, we'll give you a shout out on the actually. I tell you what I actually like that. I tell you what different flavors who comes up with the most creative. Whoever come, we'll give you a shout out on the show. I tell you what, come up with the best flavor of. Now how are we gonna judge this? I think they have to send the cookies. Yeah, oh, absolutely.

Yeah, you can't wait unless I get the taste of it. In green, it's in taste. So what are they gonna do? Who are they gonna email? How are they gonna get this to that happening? So they're gonna send it to our house. Or send it to over here. Send it to the studio.

Yeah, well, yeah. We want to give out the address because we're gonna put your other shit to. No, no, we have our PO box. You just sent it to that. You don't send it to actual. All right, that'll be in the show notes then. We want to give out the address because we're gonna put other shit. No, we have our P.O. box. You just sent that. You don't send it to actual. All right. That'll be in the show notes then. We'll put that in the show now. All right. Speaking of delicious things and cookies and cakes and stuff like Justin, you have been dethroned as the cake master.

What's in my bro Kyle? Have you guys seen? Is a minute. Kyle is a minute. Tarbrough half of Kyle is two of Justin's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I can see. I mean, I, I honestly, like, I was actually watching the other day. Did you have any ass envy when we first hired him? Just a little bit.

I will see. Here's the thing. I never thought of any of that. Like I, I, I remember growing like so through all, all these sports, so, so like in high school, one of my friends, Ogi, he was like the best athlete, like the most explosive athlete, and like he had the biggest asset of everybody, right?

And I just recognized that. It's just one of those things. It was like an association thing. Yeah, bro, you got it. Bro, it's got to be all, you know, centered around the cakes. Like I have to be like a common association thing. Yeah, bro, you got that. Bro, it's got to be all centered around the cakes. Like, that has to be like a commonality thing. And so like, that was, it's funny, because like, we start working again all this,

and then you can't make a fun of me for the ass thing. And I'm just like, we talk about like that. And they're like associated that with myself. And then, you know, here I'm like, dude, walk around like looking, my cows got some, some girth to that thing, man. Yeah, I think his rope us. Yeah, so he comes in in the morning. He's gonna be blushing at it and he's not.

So he comes in the morning, I mean, he's the kids young, he's fucking, he's a beast, but he came in this morning and he's always here, he'll get here before us. He does a cold dip, does his workout, then he usually balances, I come in, and then he'll come in, he'll do some editing and everyone's about to talk to him a little bit. And I asked him, I'm like, hey, are you trying

maps and a ball like advanced? He goes, yeah, dude, I'm on week two, so I'm like, oh, you know, because he follows our program, so I'm like, you know, give me some feedback. And he goes, I'm so glad you guys talked about on one of our previous episodes about going to failure and how at a certain point, it's better to slow down the reps

so that you don't get into that high risk factor with heavy weight because he was squatting to failure and he had to drop the weight because he's strong as shit, a kid will squat four plates. So he's like, it's what he did. He slowed down his reps so he could fail within the rep range

without having to add more weight. Okay, so you know what originally brought this up though, was this video. So this video kind of circulating of this guy that he was like running like a 40- Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh I see it, the other thing.

He huge ass, like it was. From the front, but it looked like it looked like an Instagram model in his face. It wasn't like a dude that's gone viral. He's like, I forget his name. Yeah, I saw this. There was other videos with him, but it He's like, Jack. I forget his name. I saw this. There was other videos with him, but it was just like, is this real?

Like, it's one of those things I gotta know now. You okay? So here, this is true. You know who he's talking about Andrew? Oh, you haven't seen that guy? White guy. And he's got, and he's always running in like a khaki shorts. Everybody tags me on his stuff.

Yeah. I'm so sick of it. Just, stop tagging me on this guy. Is that guy? That guy. And then the cheerleader guy that starts like, dancing with all the cheerleaders, like randomly, like this is you, I'm like, no it's not. It's where it got started.

Yeah, I see, he ran like they did it, they did it, they did it, they did it like the 40-R dash, and they compared him to like all these other really fast. Was he fast? He was like moving. He's quick, like four-nine or something like that. Like it was pretty fast. I don't know what it is considered fast. It's correct, yeah. I mean, I ran like a 45, like four nine or something like that. Like it was pretty fast. I don't even know what it's concerned about.

Yeah, I mean, I was like a 45, which was a facet pot. There he is. Oh my God, bro. Wow, look at that thing. What is that? That's not real. I think it is. It, I think it actually, I don't know, dude.

I mean, he looks like he's just dumped. He's got a diaper. Oh my God, bro. I mean, either that or he like makes the effort to stuff his pants. No, no dude would do that. There's tons of video of him and he's own and he's wearing those short shorts and it's like, come on, dude.

Bro, hey, so this is true now. This is true fact. You guys know this, Justin, I'm sure you know this. You've kind of actually commented on it. One commonality you could tell with people who can perform like athletes or just who are strong is strong hips. It just is. Glutes and back, glutes and back, usually is what a commonality

you'll see with athletes who can take out. You can take out your bleaks. Yeah, bleaks too. They're like the most functional muscles. When you go back now, now when you analyze humans as primates, one of the big things that differentiates us from other primates is that we walk upright and we can run upright.

And we have massive ass muscles compared to other primates. You look even gorillas, gorillas are huge muskere animals. They have these tiny little butts. And the reason why we have such big asses is because we walk upright and we run They're their functional muscles for what humans do so it's like it's a very important Muscle and this is also why one of the reasons why both men and women are

Attracted to well-developed glutes even women people don't you know girls don't comment on it But when they actually break it down women will say a man with a nice, like strong blood. That's never like their go to until it's obvious to them, they're like, oh, you know, and then they'll point it out. Yeah, if it's a deal. Must have happened. I feel like it is. They just don't say it out loud a lot because there's just not a lot of dudes with ass. So it's like probably true.

Yeah, I think I feel like it's like one of those things that like every chick wants it, but it's like, you know, there's a lot of flat ass dudes. Yeah, there's just a lot of flat ass dudes. Sometimes you know, sometimes he makes good money. Get on the couch. He's got pretty face. He's got good arms. I'm saying. No ass though.

Yeah, the other body part is hands. Hands, strong hands is a women will typically market it, but those are the most functional things, right? Glutes and hands, like which that means you can. Yeah, you can do. The good part is you can really develop them because of what a role they play in all the exercises we talk about. I mean, you talk about squatting and deadlifting.

I mean, you, you, you, you just running in power and, oh, that's the, I mean, I had no asses of kid. I was like, you, you, I used to have to wear a belt because my shit would just fall off my leg. Yeah. That's why you're, you're a swimmer, bro. That's the one sport we're having a big ass, the problem. Yeah.

You don't want big ass. No, it's not, not, not, for, we're either kids who that would wear a shirt underneath the, the tank for basketball. Oh yeah, the jersey. I don't know if you have a ball. That's just kidding. Tiny ass arms. Guys, still wear three t-shirts.

That's the little mama. I don't fucking jacks, still fucking. I'm a three shirt life-beater every day. Hey, I wear two shirts. I wear two shirts. No, I do. Two shirts and a white-beater. That's three shirts. The was literally too sure to know why be the rest of the shirt. Hey, the beater is not actually not because of me.

He's like the beater is not counted as a shirt. It's a part of me. Yeah, that's this is a cultural space. He tattooed on you. No, no, this is a cultural thing. Do you know how long it took me? Keep selling yourself. Do you know how long it took me to not wear a gold chain

and to not wear speedo underwear? Yeah, you know what? Listen to me into adult. Hey, you know what that was. It took me to adulthood. Hey, you know what that was. Listen, you talk about your excuse for a wife, beaters like listen to Justin, talk about his cheese issue.

You guys are the same. You both are so denial, so much denial. It's not so much cheese. Hey, you take away your ice cream. Take that back. I mean, no denial. I mean, you and yourself, no denial. How many times have you had ice cream last week?

I've known last week. But a week before or two weeks before that. Hey, I had ice cream three nights this week. Not dairy, I can't have dairy, I get the stupid. So no, we ordered from Basque and Robbins. It's so funny too. I won't buy. I'm rich ice cream. Listen, I won't buy ice cream, but I'll frickin' door dash $50 worth of three scoops of ice cream.

So I did this three nights this week, but basketball club has one flavor that doesn't have dairy, so I end up getting daiquiri ice every time. So like, daiquiri ice for me, what do you guys want? Still, still, I don't know why I've been- I want to send the company that I found over and when I lived out in Monterey that I'll send to you that is like all natural that I used to agree with me more than any other ice cream, so I'll send it to you.

You should just, is gelato, like, is that dairy based? They're all, yeah. They only give it really, it's honey, they use to sweeten it. That's what makes gelato difference of it. Yeah, that's also how it's turned. Yeah, how it's turned, but what's in it, what makes gelato so different from ice cream is the honey. Have you got, you've been to Italy, right?

No, not Italy. Not Italy? No. No. Okay. I've always wanted to. Okay, so when you go to Italy, not Italy. Not Italy? No. No. Okay. I've always wanted to. Okay, so when you go to Italy, so Italy, they make, like they take gelato and it's like an art form.

So if you go to these places, like ice cream places here or not, it's like little kids and it's not like a place that everybody goes with. In Italy, they are like really nice and you look under the glass and there's like fruit on it. And it's like an art, like they make it a big deal on how they presented it. It was like that in Paris.

And it was like that too. It was like that. And it's like, and this is the thing, you do it at night, like midnight, summertime, everybody goes out at midnight and gets ice cream. That was the first time I had experienced an off of Gatto too. I'll never forget that. They served it and I got this, you know, big old,

it was a cup of coffee like this big and then just a giant scoop. Did you eat the crepes over there? I did. Oh, yeah, yeah. When they make it on the little flat thing, whatever that thing is. I like lighter sweet so I mean, even my ice cream, I don't like, like, back in the Romans is too rich for me. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I like stuff that's on the lighter sweet so I don't know. I'm a cheap candy person so I I'll move for a little bit. You know how Swedish face. I ordered in circus peanuts. So my son is into Toy Story right now. So he's like watching Toy Story loves it. He likes so funny the cycles. I know, it's really funny.

I know. So you're out old, the animation looks now. It sucks. I was looking at him like man, it's like groundbreaking. It's groundbreaking. But anyway, I bought two, I don't know, I think I told you guys these, two little pezz containers

because I found Woody and Buzz, light ear, a little pezz, but it came with pezz candy. And pezz candy's gotta be the cheapest candy of all time. Oh yeah. Who do you think ate the hell out of it? This guy right here. Did any of you ever watch that documentary? I told you to watch?

Yeah, watch the pezz. It was good, right? Yeah, it was fascinating. It was really fascinating, right? I thought it was like one of those ones I didn't think I told you to watch? Yeah, watch the pes. It was good, right? Yeah, it was fascinating. It was really fascinating, right? I thought it was like one of those ones I didn't think I was gonna like as much as I did. I just, my mind's blown that people are obsessing over. Yeah, pes, I didn't know it was such a collectible thing.

You know what that makes me realize? When I see shit like that, people make millions of dollars off pes and stuff like that. Like how lucky are we that we live in modern societies where we are we have provided and created world for ourselves where we could obsess over stupid shit like that and become rich. You know what I mean? It's not food, it's not shelter, it's not clothing and it's not innovation, it's toys. Well, and there's so much wealth that some dude become a millionaire because there's

enough people with enough expendable ink on the fire. What's hilarious about that to me is always like what Gary Vee kind of brings up of like if I don't have a job, like there's always ways to make money just going around to like garage sales and like finding these unique things like that, like this guy just got into, like wow, this is gonna be a thing. And he was right, like it's a thing

and like just collecting them and then turning that into its own business. It's just crazy to me. There's Ryan Pineda, who's a real estate kid that I follow. He got his big star, he was a professional baseball player for a small, small window didn't get paid very much money. And so to supplement his income, the what kicked him off was he would buy or he would get

couches. You know how people are always giving away couches on crate. Come pick it up, you could have it. He would go get these, he would go pick up either free ones or buy really cheap ones or $500 for a little more. Well, then he would turn around and like get him cleaned really, really nice and then sell it for double triple the price. Just turn around and cleaning it.

And made big money doing that. Easy. Wow. There's so many little hustles. I had a buddy that he, that's all he did was hustle crazy. He would scour Craigslist every day and find things where people are just trying to get rid of it. If they're willing to trade for something else.

And he stuck the things that he was like, rims and car stuff that he was really into. And he would just flip it, you know, and just make a few hundred bucks. You know what I mean, you do it, enough of those transactions in a day and you're making a hundred something, and obviously the bigger the thing

that he started getting into used cars too, or somebody would have like a used car they sell for $2,000, he'd throw some sick rims on it and double the price of what the car would sell for just by putting some nice rims on it. Just keep reinvesting and then you get something a little larger item you can sell for more money and you just keep compounding on that.

Yeah, there's a, you know, it'd be really crazy when you think about what we're talking about right now with the Craigslist flipping and social, all the social media businesses that exist I mean none of that was here. Yeah 20 20 25 years ago You know think about how how and how much money you think is being you know Made between that and all the gig economy stuff, you know just ways to make my I don't know man You know the kids don't want to get jobs like these two. I think they just get they just don't need to

I was having this conversation with my oldest. I'm like, you need to get a job. He's like, why? Everything's paid for us. I said, oh. You're right. It was. You're right. No, we had a conversation.

We had a conversation about it. Oh, how's that? Okay, let me hear it. So he's like, well, I'm actually planning on getting a job, you know, whatever time he gave me the date. And I said, okay. And then something came up. He needed money for it.

He's going on a trip for school or whatever. So I gave him my name. I said, this is the last time, I give you money, because you said you're gonna go job, after that, then you're gonna have to pay for yourself. So when does he turn 18? Uh, July. This July.

Okay, so, well, he's gonna go off to college. So, I'm curious to like how you guys will potentially handle that when you have an 18 year old that, you know, maybe living with you. You know, like you, do you charge for rent, do you charge for utility stuff, do you have some maybe living with you, you know, like you do charge for rent, do you charge for utility stuff, do you have some sort of a deal? You know, as long as you're doing this, then we'll pay for that. Like, what's your guys' philosophy on having one of your kids potentially being in your

home past 18 years old, how would you handle that? I agree. In the sense you have a teenager too. For me, it depends on what they're doing. Like if you're like high level education grinding and you're getting like, you're including this since you have a teenager too. For me, it depends on what they're doing. Like if you're like high level education grinding and you're getting like, you're crushing, then there's a trade off. If you're not, then you gotta pay buddy.

Like you don't wanna, you're gonna go do this, you know, you're gonna take school half ass and whatever. That's fine, do you gotta pay for certain things? So I think it's a trade off. So if he's going through college and you know, maybe he even comes, maybe goes into the house. So he's gonna's a trade-off. So if he's going through college and maybe he even comes, maybe goes into that. So he's gonna get a job over there for sure.

Okay. And so I'm obviously paying for school, paying for the dorm, and then there's a minimum amount of like there's a food credit that he'll get with that. Anything beyond that, he's gonna have to pay for himself. So I'm not paying for anything else.

So he's gonna get a job to cover whatever else he wants or learn how to live very minimum, which I think there's something to learn off of that. Yeah, both are. Well, I think so. See, when I was a kid, or when we were kids, you wanted to connect with your friends or hang out, you had to make some money.

You couldn't stay at home, get online, and whatever. You had to go get a job, you had to go drive. Plus, my parents couldn't buy me a card, it couldn't afford to get me anything. You couldn't take girls out on dates, you didn't have any money. No. You had to go get a job, you had to go drive, plus my parents couldn't buy me a card, it couldn't afford to get me anything. You couldn't take girls out on dates, you didn't have any money. No. You had to go get a job. You had to get a job, you had to get something.

Yeah, I'm pretty similar in that thought process in terms of, if my kids are going to school and they're diligent about learning, and for me to play some of that environment initially, cover the cost of the school, but like, anything in excess to that, in terms of like going out to restaurants, hanging out with their friends,

like their car and all of that, like they're gonna have to figure that out. Yeah. Otherwise, it's you're on campus and you're stuck on campus, like as far as I'm concerned. Like I had to figure my way out of that. And I actually, here's a thing too, concerned, like I had to figure my way out of that. And I actually,

like, here's the thing too, though, it was a bit of a distraction because I'm like, I was so busy, I was between like football and then having, working at a restaurant and like, I had zero time for interactions with friends. So I do feel like, you know, there's a bit of a trade there in terms of like, if, you know, what are they actually trying to get out of this? Are they trying to build relationships on top of also doing school? Like, and then, so I think I'm gonna kind of put the pressure on them to figure that out, as opposed to me sort of infusing that, but definitely in terms of like them

going to school, like I'm gonna try my best to cover that. It's interesting you bring that up because this was something that I had to make this decision when I was a senior in high school. And you guys all know my love for basketball. And I didn't play in my senior year, but I didn't play because I had a girlfriend

and I wanted to take her on dates and I wanted a card or one of these things. And so I sacrificed playing a sport I absolutely love to be able to do those things because at that time in my life as a teenage boy, like that was starting to become a greater priority. You know, my girlfriend and going, being able to be able to go out with my friends, they wanted to go out to lunch. Like I wasn't getting any money from my parents. And so in order to do those things, I'd have to do that. And I wonder, would it have been better off or would I, what I would have got out,

like imagine, like those three years of me working from high school in the junior college and my first like real, real job, like that was a full-time work. The lessons that I learned doing that and had I not done that and I got the luxury of maybe my parents paying for things, so I could play basketball.

Would I, I might have been a little bit back and go, like, oh, I had more fun, you know, because I got to play basketball and hang out with my friends all the time, but then I would have really missed out on probably all the lessons in that I learned. It's weird because there's always anomalies, too. Like, you have such a good attitude.

I think you would have done well no matter what. And then we know kids that work for us. I don't know if I wanna say their name, but that grew up with super wealthy families. But going out, doing startups, becoming quite successful themselves. So they had everything provided, yet they still produced.

Then I know lazy shits that either grew up poor or rich, and they're just lazy and unpredictable. Now you guys think that's more like just luck of the draw. Next or do you think that is like, you know, you're bringing up and I think you could bring shout out their names like Enzo and Jordi Hayes. Both are two kids that work for us. We got them as teenagers. Both grew up very privileged.

Like filthy rich. Like we have one of our kids who came to work the first day as an intern and he rolls up and his Audi A6 and his Rolex watch and he's like 17 years old but He didn't floss that like I found that out of us off Yeah, I found that out after months of him working for us like like looking down at its wrist one day I'm like is that is that a role you were and then seen his car enough like he didn't brag about it You can talk about it. He had a crazy work ethic like Like, so do you just think that that was built in him?

Do you think that's, do you attribute that to his father and his mother? I think it's both. I think it's both. I think there's a little bit of it. It's just modeled and then also yeah, as his own initiative. I'm sure he's trying to prove himself on top

that he can be successful in it. It's gotta be both. Because the rich kids that I, the really, really rich kids that turn out shitty later on as adults that I grew up with that I saw, it was the parents who, the mother and father both worked really hard, they made a lot of money

because they worked both really hard. And they were, they basically paid for other people to raise their kids because they just, they were constantly working. And they still, they love their parents, and they had, and they had, like, they didn't, they don't, I don't think they regretted them or anything like that.

But because of that, they had a different view of money, like almost like they didn't want it because they, they, they lacked that. Like many of them would have, their ambition was lower because they're like, I don't want to raise a kid and not spend any time with them. And so they have this thought of like, oh, if I chase those dreams like my parents did and try and make that much money,

it's gonna take away from my relationship. And then life's gonna suffer. Yeah, so then they like set the bar lower. Which, you know, so you have that example and then you have like the inzo's who like, you know, who he was saying when he was like 17, I wanna be a billionaire. Yeah, I guess the key is to raise them

to have a good relationship with money, right? Because you can have a scarcity mindset and worship money and become wealthy, but also become depressed and anxious and unhappy, or have a fear of money. I know a lot of people, I know someone in particular who grew up poor without much, but the money was so demonized that they thought that,

oh, well, being wealthy is bad. It's evil. And wealthy people are bad. So it's better not to be. Problems, I still hear that. It was, you know, some people like I hung out with them like, it's a mindset. Yeah, so there's not the money. Yeah, so there's a bad relationship with my business. I think the move is to teach the kids delay gratification, living well below your means, and passive income. And understanding that, because those, that you don't need to go be filthy rich, but understand those.

And taking value in pride in doing a good job, because you'll see kids who will do like a job that they feel has been eaten. Oh, it's just, you know, I'm just flipping burgers or whatever, like no, no, yeah, you have pride, you do something, take pride in it, and you do a good job. Whatever you're doing, own it.

Yeah, so I think that's another important thing. Yeah, no, no, I 100% believe that, for sure. I think that you choose to love these jobs. Like it's a choice that you make, not every job, I mean, every job I ever did, I had that attitude. It doesn't matter if I was shoveling shit and milking cows or was doing something amazing like this, like I always framed it that way.

Like all I like this and found ways to have fun with it or be competitive with it because, I mean, you gotta do it. So like, why would you want to be negative about it? Cause it just makes it that much worse, like that attitude. I guess something I took, you know, too, with kind of your management style, Adam, like, even with my kids is like, I want to reward them when I see glimmers of things that I really want

in them to, you know, foster and to have them like really pursue more. So like, some of those things where they're like, they're trying to be a little entrepreneurial and like, oh, I'm going to come up with this idea and like, they're trying to be a little entrepreneurial and like, I'm gonna come up with this idea and like, they're trying to sell these little products to their friends and like, so I'll like contribute towards that just a bit. So that way it kind of gets things going. What a great point and I agree.

Like so one of my all time favorite books is One Minute Manager that you're referring to. And it completely shifted my philosophy around leadership and how I manage the team of people. And 100% want to be that kind of father, as I raised my son, is to not be the dad who I'm there always to discipline and be the one to like, you know, drop the hammer on my kids.

But the one who sees all the little things that he does well and right, and make sure I celebrate those wins and he sees how excited I get about him doing the right thing. That to me is so powerful to reinforce those behaviors then to be the dad who, you know, you work real hard, you're busy at work all the time

and then you come home, you drop the hammer because mom needs assistance with dropping the hammer and that's kind of your role versus, you know, I want to know what our son did good today. What did he do good that was a good behavior that we want to foster and grow? And I want to make sure that I do little things to either reward him or show him that I appreciate that. You know, the other side of that too

is balancing that with allowing them to feel the satisfaction themselves and not necessarily connect it always to making my parents happy. Because you also, because that's also a balance, it's crazy, right? Raising kids is all about balance. You can go to extreme in the direction. Well, you want them to own it person. Yes, because what you could do if it goes to extreme or you don't create balance with

that is that they live for making my parents happy. We know how that can turn out, right? Eventually at some point, you're like, wait a minute, like what do I like and why am I doing this? And is it just for my parents? Is it just like, what is my thing? So there's a balance there.

That's why I think that's why I love the one minute manager philosophy, which is, you know, you make a deal about it enough that they make that connection of, oh wow, I do that. But you don't overdo it, but you don't, you don't make it. Oh my God, this is you know, you make a deal about it enough that they make that connection of oh wow I do you don't overdo it, but you don't you don't make it. Oh my god. This is it son This is what you like you don't it doesn't need to be an hour talk It doesn't need to be an or huge deals. It when you do this is like I'm not like you know putting myself in there It's just like oh keep that yeah, it's a simple like hey son. I heard you know I heard you helped your mom out with the trash today and so like that

I want to tell you that I make you feel that's it Oh, you know, I liked it. your mom out with the trash today and so like that, I want to tell you that. Yeah, I'll make you feel that's it. You know what I like to, I like to, oh that's cool. Yeah, it doesn't need to be, and I think that is the secret is to just, and that's a subconscious thing that's happening. I remember, I remember having this conversation with my oldest where, you know, some of his friends were taking classes, like they had the option of going with an AP class, like an advanced class versus a regular class, and they chose a regular class because they'd rather get an A,

than get a B, so I'll take the easier class and get an A. I remember asking my kid about that. So how do you feel about that? He goes, well, it kind of makes sense, you want to get an A or whatever. I said, can you see the other side of that? He goes, well, I guess there's a lot of value in challenging yourself. And then he asked me, in my opinion, and I said, well, personally, I think there's more value in getting a B in a class, you stretch yourself in,

they're getting an A in a class, you don't stretch yourself in. So, you know, it's such a balancing act to try to raise a kid that has a good relationship with all these things, because it can be so extreme in either direction. By the way, you're gonna fuck up. Like I messed up so many times. Yeah. Speaking of balancing act, this is a perfect segue, dude. Your latest sport, okay? Combat juggling.

What? Yes. Combat juggling. Combat juggling. Juggling and running. And like, I guess you can like block the other guy from like catching it and like you have to like cross a line. But like what else is there that they're gonna make extreme

and make combat? I want to get in there. Can they hit each other? Yeah, they can hit each other. And they have like three or four of these like pins that they're just like juggling in between and they're passing it to each other. And I have no idea like what the rules are.

I was gonna say, what's the goal? What's the desired outcome is to get across the. I don't know, but like tell me random sports. How much money did you invest in this thing? 2000, 2014, it's been around that long. What? What? Look at these guys.

And the guys like hacking at them. I don't know if they can hate each other though. No, you can at least hit the pin though. That's what it is they can hit the pin. But I've seen people take a pin to the pin. You know what this is? This is gonna sound bad. But let me tell you what this is right here.

This is nerds. And I'm like, hey, let's create a sport that we're good at. Like they're tired of getting made fun of. You know, like further juggling school. Oh, well, it's combat juggling. I don't know man, these fun of. Yeah. Like further juggling skills. Oh, well, it's combat juggling. I don't know, man. These sports are getting weird. Did you guys see the slaplie for men?

Yeah. Did you guys see the one for women? Yeah, I shared it. To hell with it. That's what I can get behind that one. Yeah, that's true. Can I tell you something, by the way? That's way more interesting.

The thought that I had when I saw that is I said, what a wonderful example of how men and women are, how we objectify ourselves for the enjoyment of other people. The men do it by showing how tough they are, but obviously the outside people who aren't in that ego, more violence, the more somebody gets hurt, the better. Yeah, see how stupid it is. First, the other end, it's sexy.

And then the women are like sexualizing, and that's how we're gonna do it. All of them trying to get attention. I mean, we're still, it's so funny. We tried to deny the fact that we were all just animals the other day. Hey, speaking of which, I had this thought today, God, my little, my little three month old baby,

it's so crazy. She wakes up so, she always wakes up so happy, right? And she's putting us through hell because she's an infant. But she gives me this big smile and she's so excited. I immediately forget all the shit that, I go through which is so illogical, but if you have kids, you know, what it feels like.

And so I'm thinking about raising kids and all the stuff and I'm thinking, my wife really bears a brunt of the physical and mental challenges of pregnancy and having an infant, especially because you breastfeed. And I'm like, man, the role of the man has always been to provide security, it's part of it, right? But what does security mean in a modern safe world?

Like, the world's pretty damn safe now. It's like security used to mean, I made sure people didn't like steal shit and you know, hurt us or whatever. And I thought, you know, security, I think what it means for modern world and modern safe world is that you're, when you're're when a mother Is losing her shit because she's not sleeping. She feels like garbage or whatever that dude is there

And he's secure and solid and he lets her fall apart so she feels like she can and I thought about this. What do you guys think about that? Hmm It is an interesting thought Because it you know because I feel like a lot of men today are like, well, what's my role? There's cops, women make money, they can support them, it's like, what do we do? I still think it's the same thing.

It's just the medium has changed or the things that we have that we interact with. It's just different. Like, you know what an imminent threat is now? Your technology that you have going on. If you, the kids with the tech that we talk about, the ability to be able to to cover rent and food and all those, I mean those still it's just different. It's the same. It's but the need for you as a man to be able to provide and protect. It's just a different thing. It's not an

imminent, you're not a tiger. You're got a wrestle, you know, saying you don't go out and do that. But it's mean you know to protect your kids from the internet of terrible, yeah, pedophiles and weird shit that, so that, I mean, and let's be honest, like. But it's not like it used to be, right? Like, of course not. It used to be like, well, men are far, well, better suited

to deal with physical threats, obviously. But the threats now, women can handle for the most part just as well because we've made the world so safe. Remember that speech in Fight Club where Tyler Durdon whatever is like, we have no war to fight, we have no whatever, like who are we? What are we doing? It's pretty cool, pretty cool speech. I don't remember it, it's been so long. I remember it was a good one, but I don't remember what exactly was going to be. I think it's going to transition from men to really kind of find that role.

And this is why traditional roles have sort of been, there's like sort of gray there now, like a lot. But I still think it's there. I still think that the closer we get to that, like the more comfortable I think both parties are in that space. And I do think there's just because we're not in war right now, you know, doesn't mean that's not on the table in the future.

And like, well, here's what I mean. So preparing ourselves, you know, constantly for threats, I think is something to all of you. No, I 100% agree with you. But I mean, like, okay, so here's what I mean by that. A woman goes out with a guy, they're on a date. The guy, she's like, hey, so here's what I mean by that. Woman goes out with a guy, they're on a date. The guy's, she's like, hey, tell me about your day, whatever. And he's like emotional, breaking down, crying.

This happened, that happened. She's gonna be like, this dude's unattractive. Most women would find that unattractive. And emotionally, like, stable. Yeah, they want, yeah, they want a guy that's in touch, but not like, gonna break down and shit. Like, I want to know that you can hold your shit together. Yeah, no, I think.

I think, I think, I think it would be, it would be, yes, attracted to stoicism, someone who is a stoic character like that. I mean, I also think there's, that's what I mean by security, right? Like they want security in the sense. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I also think that that in some households that role is flipped, right? There's, there's, there's men that have, you know, more feminine traits. There's women that have more masculine traits. And so there's always... I'm speaking, Jennifer.

I think that's the problem is that we want to jump, if someone's like this conversation you're having right now, is like you have to tiptoe around how you say things. So you don't come off sexist, but it's like, well, there's always an exception to the rule. And like, for the most part, I think that you're there to protect and provide. I mean, that's the main think that you're there to protect and provide. That's the main reason why you're there.

And part of protecting and providing could umbrella what you're saying. So I don't necessarily disagree with that. I just think for me, on my house, I want to be the leader of our house. I want to be the one, even though together we co-parent, together we co-make decisions. But at the end be the one that even though together we co-parent together, we co-make decisions, but at the end of the day, if we fail, if we lose our home, if we make a bad decision,

I take full responsibility. Regardless of my wife and I had a discussion about it, like as the leader of our home, like I take the brunt of any bad decision that we make because I lead the household, whether you incorporate how much you incorporate your wife in that conversation or not, I think is irrelevant, I think at the end of the day. And I think that is our job. And that falls under the guise of protecting the families that everything is your fault.

So when the chick goes wrong, it's not my wife's fault, it's my fault, it's my fault as the leader of this family. And so I view it like that as far as like how I want to run my household. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, I also think that's unique to every person too. Like everybody runs and just like, yeah, this is all generalities. Yeah, this is total generalities that we're talking about. I was just thinking of, and I don't know how to present this without it sounding funny, but like sometimes Courtney and I wrestle. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And she's always like, oh my god, like you would kill me. And it was, it's not like I'm, it's nothing rough. I have this conversation with Jesse. You know, like it's, it's just one of those things where I'm not like, I don't, I don't throttle down or I don't like, I'm very cognizant of the fact

that like I have to always be gentle, you know, I'm always breaking shit, right? I'm always like, you know, all over the place, but I try really hard to be gentle and you do not present myself as this bruising fucking bull that like in a Chinese shop. No, Jessica and I did this a while ago, I said, hey, let's imagine that like I passed out and you have to like save me. And I said and I did this a while ago. I said, hey, let's imagine that I passed out and you have to save me. And I just lay down.

I said, see if you could move me. Is she strong? Just get strong. But she's like, oh my God, this sucks. And then I laid on her. And I just said, I'm gonna be dead weight. Let's see if you can get up. And she's like trash.

Yeah, well, she just realized she's like, oh my God, I could not even move you. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going like 60%. You know what I'm like. And so it's just one of those things. I think it's perspective sometimes. You know, because like there are threads out there.

You know, there's threads of, you know, anyways. It's there. Hey, but I will say this though. You, if the, I don't know if you, I'm sure you've seen this situation this with your kids. If your kids are threatened, you ever seen Mama Bear come out? Fearless. Oh yeah.

Scary. Fearless. It's pretty funny. It's pretty funny to see. I love seeing that outside. I love seeing that. It's a trap. Yeah, yeah, get it.

I mean, I also think like the way we manage our household is like the way a good coach I think manages a good team, right? Like there's certain aspects in our relationship. And both by the way you identify I'm right right like a tree there's some they're Katrina has some masculine traits I have some feminine traits and there's things that you know traditionally one would do the way you said to pee Yeah That's a true story

Okay, so you know, she doesn't stand to be. But you're legal. So that's just something we have a good time to kill you. No, but I mean, and there's times, right? So when we have a little bit of challenge of kind of pushing and pulling on, you know, who does, who does, or whatever. And what I always distill it down to is like, hey, let's listen, you and I are on the same team.

This is not a like, I care if you're better than me at this or vice versa. It's like, let's agree that when it comes to, okay, saving money, investing money, working and getting money when it comes to raising our child, when it comes to having hard conversations with the school teacher. I mean, there's all these things that together,

we have to tackle. And then the goal is not like, oh, I did this this time. So now you go do that. It's more like, hey, what are you really good at? And what am I really good at? And there's some things that we share that we're both kind of good at. That's just more. Yeah.

And so let's do it that way. I mean, that she handles. Yeah, imagine if things were flipped, right? I can imagine if I was in charge of organizing anything home. Yeah. But I go home and there's like, everything has a place and there's labels and there's jars for things and then she makes the playroom and it looks so aesthetic

and everything's all wonderful. I'm like, man, this is great because if it was me, this would be a pile of chricks. I also love to like, I think it's great when you've, within a relationship, when you've kind of established those roles and who's better at what and then you dip into their role every once a while I think that's like so like I understand

Yeah, yeah, and then also a like appreciation Yeah, I mean Katrina handles so much of the you know the raising of our son and the and the every the nights feeding everything right and I every once well get to involve myself one that makes me appreciate her and then two I get to see the rewards that she gets to that like She I mean she gets all the cuddling and love stuff that I don't get so much because she's put all that work and time into with him every single night. Every once in a while I get like, last night was so great in my son. And he got up at a bed, which he doesn't normally do when we're downstairs. It's like, I don't know, 9, 10 o'clock.

If he gets up out of bed, it's normally like two, three in the morning or whatever. And he got up like right after we were up, we were downstairs watching TV. And I was like, I don't know, 9, 10 o'clock. If he gets up out of bed, it's normally like two, three in the morning or whatever. And he got up like right after we were up, we were downstairs watching TV. And I was like, I'll go get him. And so I get up and I'm going up the stairs and you can hear his feet, pitter pattering through the hallway, looking for us or like that.

And I haven't even got all of the stairs and he's going, daddy, daddy. And I come up as he hears all the shovel and stuff like that. I say, hey son, it's time for bed. He goes, yeah, and he goes over and it grabs my head. Will you cuddle me? Oh. Of course I'll cuddle you.

Oh. Of course I'll cuddle you. I've been getting up in the night with a really just having a tough time with sleep right now. And Jessica's got the baby, so I have, I'll have the monitor. So I've been getting up in the middle of the night to comfort him. And it's, he told, he was telling Jessica

now the past couple nights, mama, but Bob comes and hugs me at night. Oh, I love him I'm like, oh wow although Sucks having to wake up in the middle of the night to do that I'm like, oh come on kid go back to sleep. Yeah, I'm tired. I don't want to just got a podcast Laura. Anyway, is he a good sleeper? How does he does he sleep to the night? Most normally, but he's going through I think he's going through you know kids go through phases. Yeah, they go, normally, but he's going through, I think he's going through, you know, kids go through phases. Yeah, they go through. Yeah, so what he's been doing is he's been getting,

he'll kind of, I'll hear him on the monitor, kind of like whimper and start to get a little louder. So then what I do is I go in there and I rub his back and I go, hey, do you want to have good dreams? And he'll go, okay. And then he loves cars, not the cartoon, like literal cars. So say, I want you to dream about really fast cars.

And he goes, okay, okay. It's not all I paint this story. Like, you're in a car. It's really fast. It's blue, because that's his favorite color. And you're racing everybody. Oh, okay, okay. And I'll put the covers on him,

I'll leave it. It works, everything. Oh my God, you just remind me. I told you guys about like how, so like part of our, like a, we story tell, right? So we read to him a couple a couple books and then the last thing we do is we tell Like a freestyle story. I just tell a story I think you do this with your kids right we make make it all up the toys to do and so

I do that most of the time so I love tell like making up like this crazy I do the same thing. Yeah, so I love I love doing it He absolutely loves it Katrina is like she's doesn't have the same thing. Yeah, so I love, I love doing it. He absolutely loves it. Katrina is like, she's doesn't have the same skill. She doesn't make the noise is. She's like, she doesn't have the same skill. Wait a minute, is this a man thing? I don't know.

It might be. And so the, here's the hilarious part though. So like, of course, like there's, so he wants that every single night. There's time where I'm not obviously doing it and she's doing it. And, and she's all, we're always talking about like the, how I tell her, like how I tell the stories, right?

So I try and always tie some moral into it. There's always like some crazy big red balloon or big ship that magical and does a whole stuff, right? And I really get into it, right? And I can only get him to fall asleep during it, right? So Katrina tells me so that she's like, this little shit, you know what he says to me the other day? And she goes, because she's like, she knows she struggles

with it, or he'll after she tells stories, she does like quick. And he's like, mommy, another one. No, no, not that. Make, but, and he's like coaching her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's funny. So she's like, you know, I bet she's like, I've been trying to do, you know,

the more bigger stories and take some of the stuff you've talked about, so that. And she goes, you know what he says to me last night? Like after I tell him story, good job, mommy. No! Nice try. She's like this, Patron. He literally like judging my freaking story, telling skills right now. I was like, hey, your stories have morals.

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I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, He's saved everybody's life. He's so funny. He grabs the bear and the bear was so strong. A couple of hours stronger, and he throws the bear, and he gets so excited. He starts laughing, he gets all pumped up. Might always have a good thinking. Might always have a delayed gratification moral or work ethic. You're gonna die, work ethic. Might not make me do it.

Yeah, I always build it around that, like sacrifice. You know what I'm saying? Might talk about the dialogue and with different voices for everybody and making it as hilarious like puffy kids. How funny is that? How do we all talk? You know what you do? We do get the kids together. And we need to all take turns. Tell the story.

Yes, dude. I can tell scary stories. My, your, our kids are too young, but your boys would like my scary shit. I'll make the children better. Cheers. It's a good time. Anyway, sleep for a few days, but you know, we're supposed to talk about organify, but before we do, I want to ask you guys, have you guys ever taken,

this is a band supplement now. So it's now illegal, okay. But it was present in pre-workouts in the past. It's called DMAA. Have you heard of this before? Is that the dynamite one? No, no, that's not the dynamite one. What is that one?

You're not talking about right, Mike. DMP. Oh, no, no, no, no. Okay, so I'm not far off. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's one of those acronyms. This starts with a D. No, DMAA was present in a classic pre-workout Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, which is now illegal, it's chemically similar to a Fedra in adrenaline. And apparently, people will take it to party or whatever. And I asked people in the forum, I've never used it before.

So I'm like, what does this feel like? And so guys like, oh, cocaine. I feel like cocaine. I'm like, holy shit. Anyway, yeah, so long story short, I found some online. So I'm gonna try it out. Well, it's banned, you're not supposed to be able to buy it, whatever, and the whole deal.

But this made me think about pre-workouts in general. And the best pre-workouts for anybody who's interested, if you want to make your own or you want to find the best pre-workout, it's not the one that gives you the most stimulants. It's the one that knows how to balance calm compounds with stimulating compounds. Because if you're overhyped, your breathing's gonna be

shallow, you're going to get exhausted. I want it drawn out so you actually can use energy for longer. Yeah, you want calm focus. Yeah. You don't want shaky jittery losing your mind type of energy. You want that balance. So what did that compound that they use in the organifi peak power that you created? What was it? What was it that you used to calm? Oh, but I know you didn't use heavy stimulants. I knew and I know you dose the caffeine even moderate so you could scale it up if you wanted to buy the ingredients so we can and pull it up. Did you use something like theinein? Did you use that? We used compounds that

contain things like theinein. There's other compounds that adaptogen. Yes, so there's the caffeine that's in there. But then there's other compounds that are designed to balance out that stimulant effect of the caffeine. So Doug, if you can expand on that a little bit. Oh, like Lyons main. Lyons main is it? So you got Lyons main in there to do that? Yes, yes, yes, yes.

So you got Bacopa leaf extract, Lyons main, what's Bacopa leaf useful? Bacopa increases blood flow to the brain and has been known to be a cognitive booster. Neurofactors, which is really interesting, which is also in there, boosts BDNF in the brain. Pretty significantly. So the whole thing, and by the way,

it's an expensive pre-workout. People are like, why is this so expensive? Because we pulled, when I helped them put it together, I'm like, I don't wanna pull any... Yeah, you didn't build it for pricing at all. No, I'm like, I want it to be the best. It's the most effective ingredients we can just smash in. And I want to source the best, I want efficacious doses, and I want people to feel what I try

to aim for, which is that you for it calm focus when they work out. So that's what you want to pre-work out, is you want balance. You don't want over stimulation. That'll actually reduce your performance or make you feel like shit, or you'll get that crash post workout that people talk about with over stimulated type pre workouts where they work out. Then an hour later, they're like, I feel like shit and I'm irritable. So anyway, and then reading about DMAA, which I've never tried, which I will, because

I, like I said, I ordered it because I have a bit of a fanatic supposedly creates a terrible crash as well. But I'll report back on my experimentation, let people know what that feels like. So I don't know if you guys have a shout out, I'll let you, cause I did the last one. I have a shout out, I feel like I'm maybe late to the party a little bit, and this is kind of a fun one,

it's not really like, you know, you're gonna get a bunch of great fitness science or something from this person. But I just found this guy Harry Mack, who is for sure one of the most talented freestyle rappers I've ever seen in my life. You're like crushing on this guy. You were showing us. I tell you what, real talk. I told just this for you. I cannot remember the last time that something I found someone or somebody's content that I went down the rabbit hole where last night Katrina was like,

what are you watching? And I'm like, I can't stop watching this guy's stuff because he's so damn talented. I'm waiting for him to stop. So free styles with people throwing him in real time. I watched a few of those when she brought that up. Does he have an actual album? Or is this all he does?

So he does even live stuff, right? So he'll go and he's been on LN, he's been on Sway, he's been on so I can't, so I'm obviously a probably late to the party for like, Poo-boo-go, he's been around for a while. Oh yeah, I've been sure. So I, but I've just now found him and I've shared him with some of my family and friends

that didn't know who he was, but he's, so he goes and he does live concerts, but he, and he's still the same thing where he makes people just throw shit out of my crazy and he off the cuff. Wow, that's crazy. He builds it into these rods. He's got a toy, different wiring of his brain. Oh man, it's a talent.

It's unbelievably talented. He'll do it, right? So his thing, so I didn't even know what Omigal was until you guys kind of told me what that was all this whole, like it reminds me of like a well chat rooms when we were together, but with video, right? It's kind of same concept. You can just you start chatting it up with some random people around the world. Yeah, and so he does that, but he's he spits these rhymes to people and then he asks them to give me like three or four random words. And most people try and

like stump them by giving them like weird crazy stuff. And then you not only bust the rhyme and builds it into the the rap, but then the people are like, oh my God, they're going crazy. And he starts rhyming about the stuff that is in their house or on their hat or on their sweater. It's like three words. I'm not wearing, ooh, forwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, super talented.

So, entertaining. Hey, check. Yeah. Yeah. No, super talented. You've got a good job. Intertaining. Hey, check this out. Do you want to relieve pain and stiffness in your body? Do you like to use the foam roller beginning on the floor as a pain in the butt? Well, check this out. It's a company called Mobility Wall

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Use the code Mind Pump and get a fat 20% off at checkout. All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from Svet Bana. Is there any point trying to build muscle after 40 or at this point should be focusing more on maintenance being leaner and longevity? Okay, so let's correct this here for a second. There is no such thing as just maintaining muscle.

Your body is either breaking it down or it's building it. The illusion of maintenance is either breaking it down or it's building it. The illusion of maintenance is when break down and building tend to be balanced out. So you look like you're kind of the same all the time. But muscles either are breaking down or building. There's no such thing as just stagnant. It just stays there. There's also the myth.

You know what's funny about that? It's the same in business. That's true. A business is never just cruising or maintaining. You're always growing or dying. Yeah, there's no such thing as a snapshot of your body. Let's just maintain that. It doesn't work that way.

There's also the myth that longevity is different than trying to build muscle. Now, there's definitely extreme when it comes to building muscles. So you can push it to the extreme where you sacrifice longevity. But for most average people, so we're talking about the average person, not like a bodybuilder, fitness, fanatic, or whatever, building muscle is one of the best things you could do

to improve longevity. So one of the best things you could do to improve insulin sensitivity, it's one of the best things you could do to maintain mobility and function, maintain a metabolism, which is a buffer against eating a diet in a modern world, which tends to be high in calories.

It's one of the best ways to maintain normal, natural, healthy, hormone levels. So the goal for the average person who's working out a few days a week in the gym, not talking extreme here, should be to build muscle when you're in the gym. So just go ahead and try and build muscle and you'll achieve the things that you're asking about.

And this whole like after 40 thing, your body never loses the ability to adapt except for when you die. So it can always get stronger. It can always, of course, is a limit, but I train people in their 70s and 80s for a long time and I would double and triple the strength because they were sedative and then they started doing strength.

That's why the pursuit for building muscles is always going to be there. You've got to always have that top of mind, because even just maintaining or progressing movement, like everything in terms of everyday average movement of just getting up and out of your chair, being able to pick things up from the ground that are somewhat heavy and awkward.

And you need to be equipped going forward until you're golden age. So it's one of those things. You always have to be conscious of like, how can I continuously pursue building muscle? Because that's my only insurance I have. Now, we are a a broad general answer on something that I would want I would want to see this person or know this person to give more specific advice meaning

Like let's say I mean if I was advising one of you guys Let's say you guys hired me as a client. You didn't have all this great trainer knowledge would I thought right and You and I'm talking to you, and even though the truth is everything everybody said is true about your either building muscle or losing muscle, I would be encouraging you to shift your focus towards longevity, being leaner. Or be more mobile.

And so because I know that you guys have established such a solid foundation of good muscle that trying to stretch you to build more muscle and that even being a focus. We'll be sacrificing. Yeah, you guys could afford to lose 20 pounds of muscle and still be incredibly strong and fit. So I don't know what this person looks like, how long they've been lifting, how much of a great muscular base they've built,

and do they neglect things like mobility and cardiovascular endurance and stuff like that. And so from that perspective, yeah, I might have, the conversation might sound different. The rules, the laws still apply that you guys are saying, but then the way I communicate it to this person would be different because I'm going, okay, well, this person has got a lot of muscle already.

And so, you know, I don't want you to really focus on that. I want you to focus more on these things because I think that's going to be an adventure. But Kulski, who just realizes like carrying all this mass is actually great example. Something that you're talking about, like such a super strong. Well, that's, that's why I use you guys, because you guys aren't quite as extreme as you are. Example that. Even us, we're, we're,

But I mean, there's outliers like that, so it is worth talking about. Yeah, but the average person, when I say average, I mean, like 95% or more, building muscle or the pursuit of building muscles, one of the best things you could do for longevity. If you're already jacked and you've been pursuing building muscle for the last 20 years, then it's more individualized, right? Then look at yourself, look at what you're sacrificing

potentially. For me to build any more muscle, I'd be sacrificing. I sacrifice longevity now in the pursuit of strength and muscle because that's my passion, it's, you know, call it what you will, my addiction. But for 95% plus, if I, you put 10 people in front of me, almost all of them are all of them, I'm gonna look at them and be like,

hey, that's build muscle. That's what's gonna give you the best bang for your buck in terms of- Well, yeah, especially when you say, like, if you're talking general pop, because we're including the- Yeah, if this was like the bodybuilding community- But I mean, I mean, even though,

it doesn't have to be a bodybuilding community. I mean, I think, I like to think that we have a large audience of people that are fitness enthusiasts. Maybe they're not trainers or bodybuilders, but you know, they listen to this podcast for hours on every week. And so they're fitness enthusiasts and they may be some of them have been trained. And this person's 40, maybe they've been training for 20 years of their life. Well, that's more nuanced than right. And yeah, and built a lot of muscle than, and so maybe,

because what I don't wanna tell this person is maybe they're getting this kind of bell that's ringing and telling them, I probably should focus on just kind of leaning out and maybe doing some more cardio and focusing on longevity health. Because I've been hammering the weights for 30 power lifting. Yeah, I've been working for 20 years in my life. I've been focuseding the weights for 30 power lifting. Yeah, I've been telling you, 20 years in my life,

I've been focused on building lots of muscle. I mean, and I say that because this is my current place in my life kind of like my journey. Like, I've built a lot of muscle in 20 years of lifting. And so my focus is more longevity. Now, that doesn't mean that in that pursuit, muscle doesn't get built and lost and does the ebb and flow of what you were alluding to.

But when I think about what I'm trying to do overall, I'm considering things like, how is my mobility and how is my ability to rotate and getting on the elliptical for 20 minutes practically kill me? I'm saying so I'm factoring that in. I'm not just thinking about building muscle, just building muscle, because I need to shift my focus. But the reason why it's like for the average person, this is so important, is the average person is doing zero. Right, exercise.

Right. And the average person will maybe get two or three days a week of consistent exercise. And within those two, three days a week, what should they focus on? They'll give the most bang for their buck, building muscle. Next question is from Talhuk K74. What is the difference between seated versus standing calf raises?

I don't have a seated machine in my gym. Are we splitting hairs or is it a big difference? No, a big difference. Yeah, so for functionality, you're fine, but for complete muscle development, and for enhanced functionality, it's a big difference, but you have to understand the anatomy of the calf for this to make sense. When you look at the calf muscle,

you have the big meaty gastronemius side of the calf, and then you have the soleus, which is this flat muscle that lays underneath. And the one is far more active, the big meaty part is far more active in a standing calf raise, and the other, the soleus is far more active, the big meaty part is far more active in a standing calf raise, and the other, the soleus, is far more active in a seated calf raise. So they're both different and both valuable. So a complete calf routine would include both standing and seated calf raise.

Now for the average person, just just wants to strengthen ankle flexion, you know, lots of walking, standing calf raises, jump rope, that kind of stuff. You're going to be totally fine. You want to develop the musketeer of the calves and have a lot of balance. You definitely want to do both. They hit different muscles. They're different muscles. Yeah.

To me, this will be a little more of an extreme analogy to get the point across, but it's like choosing one exercise for your back. You say back, and back is it one muscle? It's a bunch of different muscles that have, you know, different planes of motion that they move in in different ways that it activates your back. So the same concept goes with your calf. Like the calf is like a general statement of the calf,

but there's two muscles in there that have different actions that they're responsible for. So targeting both of them, yeah, just like giving you a coat, like you could do a row and the row hits the back nicely and somewhat incorporates everything, but there's so many individual muscles of the back that you probably want to target those. I would make the same case for the calf. Yeah, you know what's interesting too about the calf is the, I think the soleus, if I'm not mistaken, is the muscle in the body that has the highest ratio of endurance type muscle fibers to strengthen type muscle fibers.

So I think when they analyze the whole body, we all generally genetically will have more fast twitch muscle fibers or slow twitch muscle fibers, fast twitch being the ones that are explosive and powerful slow twitch being the one that creates stamina and endurance, fast twitch muscle fibers develop and grow more than the slow twitch ones. And without getting into the weeds cause you can definitely get fast twitch to act more like slow twitch and vice versa

through your training, that when they go through and break down muscles of the body, they can see like, oh these muscles tend to have more explosive, fast twitch muscle fibers in relation to down muscles of the body, they can see like, oh, these muscles tend to have more explosive, fast switch muscle fibers in relation to the rest of the body, or more slow twitch. The soleus is, I think, the highest concentration in terms of skeletal muscle, one of the highest concentration of slow twitch muscle fibers.

But it makes sense, because you're walking, or running, or whatever. I mean, you're using that muscle probably more than other muscles. So that is true. And because of that, there's been a mistake around how to train the calves for a very long time. And I remember falling into this trap because they have this greater capacity to handle way more volume.

We do all this like 20 reps and superset, tricep, like calc, and just like, burn, they can handle so much. That's all you, yeah. And when my calves grew the most was actually when I trained them like five by five, I never, I didn't do that for my first 10 plus years of calf training and training in general, because I knew that about the fast switch, slow switch fibers and what and how much the calves like the abs can handle that, which is also a mistake that people make with abs, is they do such high reps all the time and they neglect. It doesn't change the fact that the fast switch ones

grow more. Right, right, right. So don't neglect heavy weight training for the calves. Full range of motion still, don't do the little cheat, little pumping reps, but. It's gotta be the one muscle that nobody does, full range of motion. You ever watched anybody do calf raises anywhere?

It's almost always choppy. Range of motion. Full range of motion. You ever watched anybody do calf raises anywhere? It's almost always choppy range of motion. Full range of motion, full stretch, full squeeze. That's the best way. Next question is the, from the Matthew Holcomb, I've been seeing a lot of growing popularity with zircher squats and dead lifts. Is there a benefit to those over traditional squats or dead lifts?

Can we take credit for that? I would like to say, yes. I'll just I would like to say, I'll just say that. I'll just say that. I mean, I want to believe in you. Well, we first started talking about, now we didn't invent those. Those are old issues. No, no, no, no, it's been around for a long time.

But nobody was doing them. We've definitely brought them into our programming and I think that not a lot of people were. So we were highlighting them as a very beneficial exercise that people should pursue. So I don't know anybody, and I'm sure there's somebody, but I don't know anybody in the fitness space

that is not a strong man or powerlifter person that allows. Powerlifter is to do it. It was only strong man. That are incorporating that. In their programming, all the fitness and physical elements, not some sort of way. All your fitness influencers that are out there,

I don't know anybody that has incorporated those into their programming. For people who don't know, these are out there, I don't know anybody that has incorporated those into their program. So for people who don't know, these are lifts where, think of a squat, but you're holding the barbell in the crook of your elbow. So your arms are bent. And so you think, why would you want to be that? Super uncomfortable.

Yeah, why would you want to do that when you can hold it with your hands or you can put the weight on your back, it's uncomfortable the whole deal. And I do, I would like to take credit because when we talked about these lifts for physique development, nobody was doing these at all. And now lots of people seem to be doing them. We have them programmed in some of our workouts, definitely map strong has them. So what's why? Why do these for physique development? Okay, we talk about full range of motion training all the time. We talk about how muscle stabilize. And, you know, if you're in an isometric contraction, there's a little carryover to outside of the range of motion that the muscle's holding,

but most of the strength is in that range of motion. When I'm doing a zircher deadlift or a squat, I'm simulating what's known as rounded back lifting. My scapula, not rounded low back, okay, but my upper back, my scapula has to spread a little bit for me to support the weight. So what you'll find is your muscles will get sore differently. Now, the value in the real world is massive. When you're holding things, when you're hugging

things and lifting things, you are round and bound. Yeah, here with the rounded back position. It's very much more of a functional left that you would encounter in real life. Yes, and I found doing this really developed my back to a whole other level. So it's a different exercise, even though the cult squats and deadlifts, a zircher squat is very different than a traditional squat. A zircher deadlift is very different from a traditional deadlift.

Now it is a very uncomfortable lift, but it takes time to get used to. Like a barbell squat takes someone a long time to get used to the positioning, holding a barbell in the quicker arm. You have to get used to being able to do it. I've found it really highlights core strength. Yes.

So it's one of those sort of, it'll make or break you initially when you start to learn how to do them properly. But like to expose, like post here, anterior chain at the same time, I think too. It's one of those lifts that has that unique kind of value where you do feel a lot of benefit on both at the same time. So along those lines, I'll sell this even harder because I remember introducing this into my lifts and kind of feeling like, oh, this is, you know, why am I doing this? And feeling it's feeling so sore in my core. So when I started to to squat a lot more frequently, I started to, you know, figure out like the feet thing and my ankle mobility and I started piecing together

all these things that I had break down and why I wasn't a good squatter. And one of the things that made me a much better squatter was being able to really brace the core. There's a lot of power that leaks and people's, and this is also why when people that wear weight belt know it's a big difference when they have a weight belt and they squat like what a difference.

A lot of people can lift stable when they're 20, 50 more plus pounds. For me it's 50 pounds. Yeah, so and a lot that's because you've created this artificial basically you know, core for yourself. And so learning to really intrinsically brace your core in a squat makes a big difference on your ability to power out of the hole. And it wasn't until I started doing zurchersquatch, it was so hard on my core that it trained me to really have to stabilize that in the squat.

And that was the biggest benefit. And also, the around back, I saw a value in that for functional in real life. But I actually saw the carry over into my barbell back squat because I got so good at bracing my core because you can kind of get away with a barbell back squat. You can so good at bracing my core because you can kind of get away with a barbell back squat. You can kind of cheat the way you brace your core. You can have a very loose kind of core and come in on the hole and you'll see this. Like when someone comes out of a squat, there's a little bit of this kind of play.

It's not like they stay rigid when they squat. They kind of have this like flit and have a flimsy core. And a lot of power gets leaked out of that and learning to really brace hard through the whole movement that came for me from introducing zircher squats into my lips. The zircher variations develop my mid-back, my glutes and my core differently than the traditional variation.

So the bottom line is it's a different exercise, but it's a very valuable version of these exercises and incorporating them into your workouts. You'll get benefits for sure, strength and development benefits. Next question is from Timmy Liu, can I do unilateral training indefinitely or should it be only used to fix symmetry issues?

Okay, you know why it's a good question? Because now we need to talk about the benefit of training bilaterally. Because unilateral training is that tremendous benefit, especially because people don't do it. Especially because people don't do it, and it does balance out the left and the right, and it does create lots of symmetry.

And so for the average person who does a block, like if you follow map symmetry, most people are gonna see huge gains in muscle development and in strength because most people don't do three months of unilateral style programming or training. That being said, that does not mean there isn't value in bilateral training. The value in bilateral training is the load and the power

and the strength you can generate. You're just gonna be able to generate more strength, more power and create more tension with both hands and both feet. And there's lots of value in that as well. So like if you only ever do, so let's say the world was flipped on its head and everybody only ever did unilateral training.

They would get tremendous benefits from doing a block of bilateral training. So it's all got value. So could you do this forever? Yeah, just like you could do bilateral training forever, but you would lose out on the value of bilateral training if you did that. Yeah, and I think too, there's a lot of value in just being able to organize and recruit all of your muscle simultaneously in a beautiful way, where, you know, you know, lateral training, it helps to expose,

it helps to expose one side responsibility versus the other, and being able to stabilizing control a lot more, and that's the emphasis there is to be able to have control and stability over your body, but to be able to generate and produce force, that's where bilateral exercises really kind of, exceed that, and it shows like really where the leaks, it shows your true potential in terms of how you can really generate the ultimate amount of force.

So I like this question because we can have a little bit of debate around this. And what I mean by that is, first of all, let me frame it like this. One, every time we get a like, you know, either or or can I do this forever, we always are like, why? I mean, you have all these tools. Why wouldn't you utilize all the tools? Because that's what's going to give you the best long-term results is all these things have value and utilizing all of them will give you the greatest value. So why take just one? But if I was forced to choose, I can only train bilateral for the rest of my life, or I can only train unilateral for my life, I 100% would choose unilateral. 100%. Because of the

benefits for stability, symmetry, that is so important and safety too. I mean, there's, so you know a lot of training, in my opinion, is, I mean, you've talked to like, or listen to the Mike Boyles of the world and stuff like that. If you only had to pick one, if you absolutely had it. Right. And of course, I would net, we've all, I think in every,

I hate that though, right? Like why? I hate that, I hate that too. But again, for those, and the don't I like to highlight this though is because if you are gonna get stuck In a phase or get stuck in a way of training for an extended period of time You're safe for doing that in a Udallateral space then you are in a bilateral space. Well, that's how you got the balance factor That's all right. It's a little bit older and got the balance factor. That's what I'm saying. As you say, that's what I'm saying. So you're going to get way more bang for your buck for there.

But why would you ever do that? I don't think- Yeah, there's a lot more situations where you're going to be in a split stance and you're going to have, you're going to be loaded on one side or the other. It's very much more realistic to assume. Any kind of even sport pursuit, like you're always in a split stance for the most part and this is like the Mike Boyle's argument

is to be able to load that more effectively and have generate as maximum amount of force within that. But then we're depriving ourselves of really like being able to train our body at an even higher capacity, But then we're depriving ourselves of really like being able to train our body at an even higher capacity which is with bilateral exercises. Yeah, so you don't have to pick one or the other. This is not a black and white world.

You can do both what you should. What do you sacrificing by only ever doing unilateral training? Muscle power and strength. Yeah, muscle power and strength. Look, here's a deal. Regardless of how good you get with unilateral training. Muscle power and strength. Muscle power and strength. Look, here's a deal. Regardless how good you get with unilateral training, let's say you got up to like 200 pounds on your right leg. I already know where you're going.

You could still, your right leg could do more weight by it's with your left leg helping. In other words, your max wouldn't be 400 pounds. Your max, in other words, right leg does 200. Left leg can do 200 by itself. Together, they'll do. Together, 450. Yeah, 450.

Meaning your right leg is lifting more, and your left leg is also lifting more. So because the body works better when it comes to generating power and strength, when it works together. So it's not equal. You'll never be able to do half your max with one side that you could do with both sides. It doesn't work that way because the CNS fires better when it's all firing together. So you're sacrificing strength power? Which simplify that even for the average person who maybe doesn't care to be super, super strong.

But it's like, man, that gives you a greater capacity to build more muscle, which in turn it gives you a greater capacity to speed up your metabolism more, which makes it easier to stay leaner, longer, which makes it easier to stay leaner longer, which improves overall health and longevity. So there's a very easy case to make for... I'll take it incorporating both, for sure. I'll take it even further. You'll get better at unilateral training

if you incorporate bilateral training, just like you'll get better at bilateral training. If you incorporate unilateral training. So you're not just missing out on muscle and strength and power. You're also missing out. Let's say you love unilateral training. You you're not just missing out on muscle and strength and power. You're also missing out. Let's say you love unilateral training. You want to be the best you could possibly be at unilateral training.

Utilizing bilateral training will make you better than if you didn't. So they give each other benefit as well. That's how important it is to do both and why it's silly to just pick one or the other. Look, if you like Mind Pump, check this out. Go to MindPumpFree.com, check out all the free stuff that we're giving our audience. Also, if you like Mind Pump, check this out. Go to Mind Pump Free.com. Check out all the free stuff that we're giving our audience. Also, you can find us on

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