Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2041: The Value of All-Day Workouts, Ways to Increase the Effectiveness of a Bulk, What to Do if Lifting Heavy Scares You & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: March 29, 2023

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CBD, especially full spectrum based CBD products, might actually be a good pre-workout. Studies are showing that people who take CBD and then work out report that they enjoy the workout more. I'm just talking about you. They report they enjoy the workout.. They report the enjoy the work. That's right, dude. There's a study. I have a saying that I say, you know what?

You know what makes weed so awesome? No, it makes weed. It makes everything else awesome. More awesome. So, not in your work, your workout. It's an actual study. More fun.

It says, listen, the, the title of study is Effects of Cannabidiol. Remember, Cannabidiol. Brought to you by Granddaddy Purple. No, we funded the study. Okay, letabidiol. Remember, Cannabidiol. They brought you by Grand Daddy Purple. No, we do. We'll fund it to study. Okay, we got to correct this.

CBD is non-psychoactive, so it's not like we, you're not gonna hire whatever. But in other words, you take it, and you don't get all like you smoke the joint, and it's legal, right? Hemp CBD. Yes, yes, yes. It's totally legal.

We work with a company called Ned. You could buy this in all 50 states. Right, right. Full spectrum. Sorry, I know I'm messing your commercial up. No problem. So here's what it says, the spectrum. Sorry, I know I'm messing your commercial up. No problem. So here's what it says, the study. Effects of cannibal dial on exercise physiology and bioenergetics.

It's a randomized, control, pilot trial. And what they found is it increased ratings of pleasure, which then increased performance. So it alters some key physiological and psychological responses to a aerobic exercise without impairing performance. Now, why is this valuable? Well, I mean, if you can enjoy the workout more and create better associations with exercise, you're probably more likely to do it. So this may have some value for people who just are working on correcting ourselves. Yes, because we always remember when CBD got all big and when they take it as a pre-workout, like you're stupid. Well, I mean, we, I guess when we were speculating about it,

I was like, it might be great in a setting where I'm doing like mobility or something or a robust parasympathetic, but yeah, a robec for sure. Like that was like one of those things. So, okay, there was a study that actually came out a long time ago, or at least it's been a while, four or five years, where they talked about even weed, THC, and actually the pros of that for like, ultra marathon runners, I already knew that for that. I'm not a fan of it for weight training, although just CBD may not be bad.

Now, here's why, I think, here's why none of us are fans of something like that for weight training. It's, I think it has more to do with the fact that we love the feeling. Yeah, I like ramping up too. I just like the feel. I don't need to take anything to make me enjoy it. I already love it.

I do hate cardio though. Right, so that may be where it's valuable. Maybe we use Ned and then we go running or something like that. Maybe we'll start to enjoy that. I have to say a lot of names to make that happen. I mean, do you think that's the main mechanism that makes feel, it's an overall mood-improving compound. 100%.

Therefore, it just improves. One of the number one reasons why somebody will fatigue or stop, it has more to do or has some to do, I should say, with their subjective feeling of pain and tolerance. People think that their bodies give out because their bodies give out. The truth is most people don't know how to push themselves at that point, because they just can't tolerate the pain, they can't tolerate the challenge.

So if you can create subjective or enhance, I should say subjective feelings of enjoyment and pleasure, people are going to work out harder or work out harder. Experience is going to be enjoyable. Now the truth is, anecdotally, we've been working with Ned now. How long have been with Ned? Five years. Five years. Okay.

I've gotten, I mean, countless messages from people who are like, hey, I know you guys recommend this for inflammation stress. I love taking it before I work out. Feels great. We've never promoted it as a pre-workout, just because like whatever, we don't like to necessarily promote things that way. But I mean, this is a study that shows

that people who took it enjoyed the workouts more. And I can see value in that, you know, for the average person, when I'm trying to get them to enjoy exercise and all they feel is pain and struggle and it sucks in the hard. And it takes a while to learn how to develop a different relationship with that pain. This may help.

Yeah, that's interesting. I know I've definitely taken it with caffeine and are like before to make sure I don't get to jittery and high with my caffeine to kind of ride out that energy a bit more, but I've never taken it exclusively before working out. I always thought like I might be a little too chill. Yeah, I like, and you actually introduced me

that way of using it. It gave me a very, almost like Theonine does with caffeine. It's a euphoric, yeah. You do feel good. Yeah, I mean, is that fair? It takes, like, explaining it to me. It kind of felt like that when you got me using Theonine with my caffeine, I really liked that combination.

Similarly, I like the CBD with the caffeine like that. It kind of mitigates the jittery kind of. For me, it enhances the feeling. I, I mean, full disclosure, I use it. I don't use hemp oil as a pre-workout, but I do often use it as a pre-like work, like pre-create, write, come up with ideas for the podcast, the show, or if I'm reading or researching,

and I wanna have more insight, then sometimes I'll use it. So that's what it does for me. But I have such a good relationship with strength training because you're right with cardio, that might be a good idea, but with strength training, I have such a good relationship with it that, I like the way I feel when I have some caffeine go lift.

I don't need necessarily to do anything else. Well, I still stand by our original statement because all the rest of the products out there are garbage. That's true. That is true. I mean, you just sell in you like the CBDs in the title of the pre-workout just to kind of check it. Nobody checks what's in there.

Not full spec. No, in fact, the gas station. I was at the gas station yesterday. At the gas station, at the counter, CBD products, I'm like, get out of here. These are not, I guarantee none of these have actual CBD in them. I mean, as the market dipped a bit, because I know it was like crazy there for a while, like the whole boom of CBD. That's a good question.

We should see what the CBD market looks like. Oh, I would think overall it's filtered out. It's continued to grow, but it's oversaturated now. I mean, there's now, there's, we started putting it in everything. Yeah, we called that though. We knew that. Skincare probably. Yeah, we knew it would be in everything like that.

It's one of those, it's because you can attach it to benefits to everything. Yeah. So because you can say it's better for everything, is it's like, oh, You know what the problem with air? Skin, mood, sleep, energy. So I've seen this happen with supplements too,

where there's an efficacious dosage and product that actually has some benefit, but because the market's not regulated, and I could literally create a supplement right now and put on it, this contains CBD, creatine, vitamin C, magnesium, whatever, nobody's gonna check. Nobody will ever check all of it. So the problem that happens whenever something gets super popular is a lot of crap floods the market. Everybody tries it because the vast majority of products don't have what they say they

have in it. Everybody then decides it doesn't work, right? So it's like they all I've tried to see, I don't notice anything from. Well, it's interesting. The market is dramatically slowing. Talking about cutting. Okay. So it says CBD pioneer Charlottes Web website in November earnings call that stores were cutting back on shelf space

Leading total cannibal dial distribution points to decline about 20% in the previous year That's a felt like that, but I wasn't sure yeah, that was wow now on the flip side on the flip side Ned when we started with them versus now they are Way bigger. Well, I mean, here's, I think that's what I think you're innovating with new products. I think that's what it is though.

I think it's that you had a lot of crap. Yeah, the cream is gonna rise to the top and you know what, probably, since, I mean, we can continue to speculate, I don't know for sure, but probably what has a lot to do with that is, if you have a market that exploded that fast and more than 50% of them are charlatans

and pixie dust and garbage. That you're gonna turn off a lot of first time users thinking like this is shit and then not going away. So everybody races in because they hear and read all the articles half of the people that are getting good stuff maybe continue using the other half to get bullshit and get sold trash go like, oh, this is not worth it. Well, that article right there, Doug,

you just, you were just on one. It said the CBD market was projected to be by 2028, $47 billion. Oh, so that's big. Yeah, that's big times. And I think that's worldwide on a W. You know, because I actually, I've talked about since we've worked with the evolution,

working with Ned, as far as the, I love all their products and I have nothing negative say about it. I've actually enjoyed all of them. But the mellow has become my staple. Incidentally, the one without CBD. That's the one in magnesium products. Right, so that has been amazing. But recently I've been using edibles.

I normally smoke. You guys know that's how I normally consume cannabis, but I've been trying to limit that. And I came off a while ago. And then when I started back up again, I said instead of smoking, I'm going to try it. Edibles, even though I'm never huge. And what I don't like about edibles, again, it's just it's harder for me to gauge. And then I sometimes get really higher than I want to be from them. And what I noticed was what I started doing. And it made different. I just, this is like the last week. So I had no idea we're gonna go here or nothing.

I have also like very high CBD. And I remember you always telling me like I should keep a one to one ratio. So if I get, if I have an edible, and these are normal, it's not netted, this is normal like cannabis club dispensary type edibles that have THC and CBD. We're talking about like 10, you know,

5, 10 milligram doses or what that. Sometimes when I get different edibles, when I hit 10 milligrams, sometimes 10 feels like 20 to me, and sometimes 10 feels like 5. And when they feel like too much, I feel really high and it disrupts my sleep. Yeah.

But what I notice was when that feeling comes on, I've trained myself, I have pure CBD with the Ned stuff. So I go get the full spectrum, you know, which has got no THC. I take that and then I can sleep. So I don't, I don't explain what's happening there. It does have a balancing effect. It also reduces, so this is for THC users.

CBD with THC reduces the short-term memory loss effects that THC definitely creates. So using THC regularly, you'll get short-term memory loss, using it with CBD mitigates it. Well, okay, so here's a secret. This is a fact. If you use THC, now that we're on that topic, and you get too much THC, you wanna know what you could take,

that'll like take it way down. ibuprofen. Oh really? Is it inflammation? It, it, look it up Doug, look up ibuprofen and TAC or ibuprofen and cannabis. So I'm gonna do that. So if you're like, oh my God, I'm paranoid too much.

Drop like, you know, 600 milligrams of ibuprofen. So I'm gonna do that paired with the, the full spectrum and see what happens. Because I've already teased in and out the full spectrum, and I notice a dramatic difference. Because again, I've been doing these edible things and it's hit and miss. Also, if I'm on an empty stomach or not,

all that stuff makes a difference. What brand of edible? And they're close when they say five or 10 milligrams, but they're not all precise, and it does matter what's going on in my digestive system and stuff like that. So, and I've teased this out enough times now where I go over and I use the full spectrum with the, when I get too high and it balanced me out and then I'm like, oh, maybe it will

be just, maybe I just, yeah. And did you know you can also increase the strength of THC by, I believe, to eating papaya enzyme with it. It increases the amount of THC that'll get circulating in your system. You want to increase it more? Well, you guys know me. I get dorked. I mean, if you really want to increase it, you don't eat. Well, yeah.

You don't. If you don't, to me, that's one of the most dramatic differences on the strength of feeling THC is empty stomach versus fed. Now, you know the meat and it cuts you in half. The THC converts, there's two different types of THC. When you eat it, it converts to something different. The versus when you inhale, and stabilize it yet. That's a different. That's why some people are like edible people and other people.

That's me, smoke people. Smoke, yeah. If I will. Yeah, I'll be more paranoid the other way. I weigh rather smoke. I'm trying to be because I know that eating is much healthier for me. Yeah. You could go that way.

So I'm trying to be more the edible guy. It's a different high. It lasts longer than I like sometimes. I'm more excited from smoking. I think it's mainly because of the coffee. It's so funny to see stuff. It's like, yeah, because then it has this weird effect too, where the anxiety will come up a little bit,

and then it's like, I paid too much attention to my breathing. And then I'm like, sitting there just like, breathe. What a terrible feeling. It's awful. It's gotta be that we're already found the study dog if you couldn't find it. Yeah, I found it.

I just don't understand it. Okay. Just to be honest here. Yeah, it shows that it reduces some of the effects. So is that the ibuprofen that you're talking about? Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah, I read that a long time ago.

Kind of, you know, kind of interesting. All right. And by the way, as you can say, another article or study says that CBD demand is actually going up in 20 let's see in 2021 it was 4.9 billion dollars anticipated by 2028 to be 47.2 billion. 10 10 times more. Okay. So that was that fake news as well. You know what it was. Justin, it was reported from a single brand. Oh, Charlotte's web is a popular brand. It went down 20%.

Yes. Is a popular brand. So that makes sense though, because back then when Charlotte's web, Charlotte's web got famous because they were the one that drew a base in Drome. I think it's called. It's this Charlotte's web, Harlequin, and are we're like the three dominant? Yes, but Charlotte's web got popular nationwide because had got popular nationwide because there's a form of epilepsy that is very hard to treat.

It's terrible, it's terrible. It breaks my heart when I think about it, but these children have like 50 to 100 seizures a day. There's no treatment. And this was all, by the way, this is the beauty, this is one of the beautiful things of the internet. At the time, there was no treatment. There were no drugs, nothing you could do.

You'd basically watch your child deteriorate and eventually develop brain damage. Well, parents were on forums talking to each other, trying to figure out what the hell is going on. And some people were reporting, hey, CBD really makes a difference with my seizures. So there was a, I think it's in Colorado, they were growing this, they grew the strain called

sort of high CBD. And it attracted all these parents with these children. I think it's in Colorado, they were growing this, they grew the strain called short-term. High CBE strain. And attracted all these parents with these children. And this is, they started using it and they started finding out their kids stopped having seizures. This is what drove the research and this is what created the now medication for this type of epilepsy. Well, you know, Courtney was a pediatric nurse

and during that time where they were finding out all that information, they actually had some of that strain locked up in the hospital, but it wasn't promoted, advertising anything, but they would ask the parent if they were comfortable, and sometimes, and this is wack when it was a lot more taboo, because it smelled and everything, too. The aroma was in the hospital and she would go like get it and give it to the parents and like, but they were like providing it because it was so effective. Yes.

It was like amazing. It's called Droveit syndrome or Droveit syndrome. That's what it is. Yeah. So, but it's crazy because there was no answer and these parents found out themselves through the internet working together. Yeah. And then what they did is they,

the government fast-tracked the development of a CBD based medication for this. This was the company, I can't remember, I invested in them and eventually made a great return on it because I was reading about this. But I mean, pretty well. So, you know, some good stories of the internet along with all this shit that the internet creates.

Yeah. Speaking of articles, did you with all this shit that the internet creates. Yeah. Speaking of articles, did you guys see that article that John Deloney shared on the day when he's about the income, the medium income, or the income that would, like what's the max income where you'll have positive impacts on happiness?

Like, like, there's a limit, right? Once you make passes or a mouth, you don't get any more happy. Right. So the old studies, did Arthur Brooks talk about this? Yes, okay, so I looked this up, Adam, I read this study. So the old studies that often get quoted is $75,000.

Now this was done in 2010, by the way. So I'm sure based on that data, it's gonna change a little bit because the cost of living and all that stuff. But what they found in 2010 was up to $75,000, the more you made, generally, you'd be happier. Once you made $75,000, and once you made beyond that,

there was no real significant impact on happiness. Once your basic needs were completely met, your bills, all those things. Yeah, if you're not stressed about money, you have a house, you have bills, you can pay your bills, you can pay for food, you're okay, then you don't really get happier making more money. That was the whole basis of that well This latest study showed that

It's more recent showed that it actually is up to $500,000. That's a big difference Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, so now I looked at the study and here's what here's here's what I found I love your guys' speculation on this. Okay, here's what they found. You gotta go deeper, okay? There's a percentage of people that are considered happy just generally, right? They just have this prettiest position to be happy.

And then there's this. These are the people that say, honey, if we live in our bridge together and we had just each other, we- You guys know people like this, right? There's just happy people. They say that. And then there's those people.

Katrina says that shit to me. Yeah. Right? You get the fuck outta here. I'm not gonna be happy. That's what I tell you. I would not be living in a trailer. I would not be happy.

You're gonna run this through trash. We had each other. You know what I'm gonna be saying? I'm just taking a lot from how we said. I'm about a 10. Yeah, we're really gonna be a 10 from now on. I bought a tent. We're really a bit of tent for not one. Close to the earth. It's romantic, right?

I do. And then there's a percentage of people that are just, you know, they're just miserable. And we know people like that too, like no matter what, you're just unhappy. There's definitely a lot of those. Yeah. So here's what they found.

Within the study, the unhappiest 15% of people, so people who generally are just not happy, they don't get any happier over $100,000. So up to 100 grand, they get happier, after 100 grand, it doesn't change anything. Now here's where they got the number for the $500,000. The happy people, the happiest 30% of people, so these people are always happy, okay?

They got happier and happier and happier, up to $500,000, And then they stopped getting happier. So what is your... Yeah, what's, where are they getting that metric? Like what is that step look like? What do you mean? So how do they measure it? How they keep getting happier.

Well, it's a survey. It's a survey, yeah, it's a survey. So as they've increased, I mean, look at, we could play this game with ourselves. Everybody has been, is made up to that. So what do you guys recall at what point in your lives as you climb that financial ladder, every, every 100 K, 100 K, 200 K, 200 K. Do you work?

Do you recall like what point that you, you cross that threshold? Yeah, yeah, I do. For me, it was. And so by the way, this is how this study is conducted. You know, there's a thousand people that have made X amount of dollars. And by the way, these are general numbers because it depends where you live. Of course.

Of course. And say area versus, you know, it's still, I still think it's an interesting thought discussion. You know what I'm saying just as far as like the thing. Yeah, for me it was when I stopped worrying about money on the saturation point. Yeah, once I stopped worrying about money altogether, I know my kids will be taking care of, I know we're going

to be fine, we don't have to worry about, I don't even have to think about it. Beyond that, then it doesn't matter for me. My lifestyle won't change. So, I mean, I'm not gonna give numbers, but there's a point that I reach where I was like, I don't have to worry about it anymore. So anything beyond that, it's not gonna really change much for me.

You know, for me, it was less about the dollar amount I was making every year. It was actually more about how I had set up like financial security for myself as far as passive income, retirement, and my, if I were to die, that made a bigger impact than the actual dollar amount that I was making. So, I mean, it's been well over 10 years where I crossed over that threshold. And when I crossed over that threshold, I'd say I was happy, but I still was, I still wasn't content. I still wanted more, but why I wanted more, you weren't feeling secure. I'd say I was happy, but I still was, I still wasn't content, I still wanted more,

but why I wanted more. You weren't feeling secure. I wasn't feeling secure. Once I felt secure that if I left, if I, for something tragic happened to me that my family would be okay, or if something tragic happened and I lost the current job that was making that income,

would I feel still okay, like no urgency? Oh my God, I get a good job tomorrow. I have all these crazy bills. Yeah. Once that feeling had went away, it actually didn't matter if it was 250, 500, it didn't go away. Exactly. That was actually the main thing was, can I build up enough passive income and a safety

net and retirement, all that stuff. By the way, that's an equation with two sides. Earnings and spending. Yes. People think it's just earnings. No, spending is very important too. You can increase your earnings. Spending is not just very important. It is everything. Yes. People think it's just earnings. No, spending is very important too. You can increase your earnings. Spending is not just very important. It is everything. Yeah. It is 95% of the equation is the ability to

delay gratification and to live significantly below your means. Happy with what you do. Which is that that last study I brought up, which was from Ramsey's group. That was the law. By the way, that was a largest study ever done on millionaires. That last one I brought up, where the teachers were number three, and they just highlights that. Yeah, they don't make a lot of money, but they spend it well. You know what, they went into detail about that,

and you know what they talked about, those five professions. So you remember what they were dug by a chance? They were engineer, CEO, CPA, CPA, right, and then the teacher. So these are all people that have jobs where there's very, there's structure and systems and things they follow. Like you, you do this, you follow this, you get this out there. That's right. That was actually the common theme when you,

because you look at those five professions, it's like, that's weird. There's not a doctor in there, there's not this in there. Like, day traders, you would think in there. It's like these people have these very structured type of careers that you do X, Y and Z and this is the outcome you follow these things. It makes sense. And so they've applied that same philosophy into saving money. All right, so let's go back to the study, right?

Happy is 30% of people get happier and happier up to $500,000 a year. My theory is that if you're a happy person, generally speaking, you know where to spend the money to bring value for yourself. If you're that kind of person, and you give that kind of person more money, they know what brings them joy,

they know what brings them happiness. And so they're like, oh, $100,000, oh, $200,000. Oh, I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. The reason why I don't agree with that. You just created the four million to discipline. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that.

The reason why I don't agree with that is because I think they are totally separate. Not that that can't be true. So I don't disagree that that can't be true. What you're saying is that those are two different disciplines. What's the relationship? Like, there's people who, like, I mean,

I would think this. I'm a person who, I shoveling shit, I was happy. I love my job. I loved every job I ever did. I don't know how shitty it was or what time I had to get up or how hard it was or how little I made. I've loved everything that I did. So I would think I'm in that category.

But it wasn't until my late 20s, early 30s did I get good discipline around money. So I would be far more wealthy than I am today had I had those disciplines already in place, you know, 10 years ago. Do you think that the correlation is that the 30% of happiest people also simultaneously have, because the correlation is happiest people get more happiness up to $500,000. So, are you saying that's because they have better spending habits? I mean, I think that that's part of the process, right? So as you make more money, I think in turn you have to feel better habits.

So, look, here's why I mean- I don't think they're trying to make a correlation between them. I don't think there is. That's the correlation they found. Right, so that's what, yeah, but it's not causation, right? So I don't think that that is directly connected. Well, here's what I think. If I can think right now to people I know in my life

that are just the miserable people, and if I think about the people that I know in my life that are just the happy people, and if I gave them both $100,000, I know for a fact the happy people that I know would really enjoy that $100,000, and I know the really shitty miserable people I give a hundred grand to, it wouldn't do anything for them. The way they would spend it and use it hundred grand to, it wouldn't do anything for them.

The way they would spend it and use it, it wouldn't give them any value. That's why I think the way I think. Well, I think that's where that's saying, like, more money, more problems. I just think that if you don't build that discipline and you understand how to grow the money or how to put yourself in a position

where you can step away and you're going to be fine, be taken care of and like have that investment, like kind of waiting there for you. I think that's really where the happiness starts to come in. That's why I don't think there's much of a correlation because I feel like you can be happy to ship and have terrible relationship with money. No, no, no. Okay.

Let me say it differently. I think truly happy people know what really makes them happy. That's what I'm trying to say. So for them, maybe what you're saying is part of it and it probably is, right? Oh, you know what? If I provide myself a security delay gratification, that really brings me value.

I think people who are just miserable don't really know what brings them joy and happiness. Well, maybe they blow the money on quick fixes. What's the other 55% you gave me 30% and 15%. Those are the two things that stuff. That's all they've talked about. Okay, because I don't think, what about the other category? That's only, you only talked about a 15% chunk of the people

and a 30% of the chunk of the people. Those are the two that stuck out in the art and the study that made the big point. I mean, I know massive generalizations to me. I mean, it's like, I don't, I don't understand like really where, um, I, I don't know. I don't, I don't see how like everybody's going to fall. So I had a, I had a theory before you shared all this on why I thought it had accelerated from 70 to 500,000 in this short period of time.

Because obviously inflation hasn't happened that much, right? But what has happened that is new since that original one is social media. And I know personally. The whole comparison. Yes. And when I was 16, even all the way to 20 something, when I, if I were to picture someone who drives a Ferrari,

a Lamborghini, any of those, I would never think of a kid. I would, I thought of an old man who's retired, like, that's true. But now, I absolutely, I actually think I see more kids driving around these. This is social media. Yeah, because of social media.

Now, is it still, is it, is it still the same? It doesn't matter, the perception is reality, right? So I, what we see now is that, oh my God, look at all these people that have all these things. And so now what we used to maybe make you happy at 70 or 100,000 because you're looking at these examples of other people, your peers that have all this other stuff. You go like, oh, wow, well, I still don't have that. Well, there's truth in what you're saying, because they've done studies on that where they find that people are happier

when they feel like they're similar to the people around them, regardless of the income that they're making. So like if you're quote unquote poor, but everybody else is poor, you feel a little better about being in your situation. And if you made a little more, but everybody else made way more than you did,

this is the whole like gap, income gap. Right, and let's be honest, these people, you know, you tend to do this where I'm probably all guilty of this. Like you don't follow the the broke kid who's posting pictures of his is dented up, you know, 1985 Toyota Camry. You know what I'm saying? You follow the kid who's got the, you know, cool ass lambo. But now how to get that? Well, now back to what I was saying, imagine when you guys were 20 versus now. Okay. Both times you win the lottery. How differently would you be spending the money? How to get that? Well, now back to what I was saying, imagine when you guys were 20 versus now, okay?

Both times you win the lottery. How differently would you be spending the money? And why? Well, I think now you know what, like the real value that could bring you, whereas in your 20, you're like, oh, I know what I want. And then you figure out real quick,

like this actually was a way less than pulse. You know, I think about that a lot. Like is it, is it that or is it that, on the journey to making say, you know, $500,000, you had to learn new disciplines? Yeah, I'm talking about a few on the lottery, but that you, when you're saying 100%, I think if you earn, and the reason why this, because what I'm saying that it ties in what you're saying is that part of that maturity that I have now today is due to the work of working up to that.

Totally. If you took me at 20 years old and let's say today, I made the same income as I made in 20 years and I never grew financially, I probably would probably spend the money the same way. Yeah. Cause I wouldn't know. Yeah. For at least for me, I personally had to go out and do stupid things like pay for everybody's flights and Vegas trips and buy things like that. You had to learn that what was really valuable and what was. That's right. And I could use a different example. Imagine, you know how they say youth is wasted on the young.

You ever hear that? Yeah, yeah. It's like take somebody who's 70, snap your fingers and make them 20 again. They will be, they will enjoy the true value of being 20 than they would when they were 20 years old. So yeah, it's totally experienced in all of that. But my point with that is you know what real value is

or what money, the kinds of value and meaning that money can bring you now versus then. Like for example, yeah, how do you though? How do you, I mean, how do you justify the 70 to 500 though? I, that's what my guess. Because your point makes, I don't disagree. That's my guess.

I think that happy people just see how they quantify that. Yeah, like I took, like okay, I'll use the example, I'm thinking of specific people, I don't wanna say their names, but I'm thinking of specific people. Like I know people in my life that are just happy and there's people at my life that are just miserable. The happy person, if I gave them a hundred grand,

I know where they would spend it. They would spend it on bettering themselves, education, classes, and travel. The person I know who's miserable, if I gave them that money, would spend it on partying things, things buying things, cars, clothes, you know, designer stuff. And studies will show quite clearly that experiences and personal growth, when you spend money on those things, you gain a ton of value. When you buy things, you don't get much value at all. Well, that supports the other thing I've heard

that I think is really, I think I heard Ramsey talk about this where it's like, money doesn't change you. It just makes you more of what you already are. Kind of like when we talk about steroids. Like, steroids, like, everyone's like, oh, you got to asshole overseas, you just stare at saying, you were an asshole before he's a a bigger asshole now. You say just enhances whatever that is. The money is the same way too. It's like, if you, if you have poor habits around money, if you were a prick before, if you were stingy before, if you were frivolous before,

and you just have lots more of it, it's just, it's just an exaggeration of that. It just makes you more of the same thing. More fuel to feed off of. Yeah, yeah, total layers. I gotta tell you guys about a study that, I love studies that are ridiculous. Where you read the study,

oh really, you need to do a study on this. Anyway, they do a study on men and women's brains on FMRI machines. So FMRI is called functional resonance imaging. I don't know at the end of the time. Magnetic resonance imaging. So they could see in real time how the brain blood flow is affecting the brain, what is technically being activated and what is it?

And they took men and women and they showed them pictures of infants. And they said, let's see how men and women's brains react to looking at pictures of infants, what's the difference? What's the similarities? What's the difference? Like women the similarities? What's the difference? Like women get flooded with oxytocin and all the chemicals. Well, with women,

the parts of the brain associated with empathy, caring, understanding, lit up more than the men's brains. Now, why this is a ridiculous study is because there's lots of wisdom, like this is like one of those things that we don't like to say because it sounds, oh, the genders or whatever. Like we because there's lots of wisdom, like this is like one of those things that we don't like to say because it sounds, oh, the genders or whatever. Like we know this for thousands of years,

every culture is talking about this. That women are definitely primed to be more that way than men. I mean, this is why if a person abandons their kid, the most important thing in the very beginning. That's it, look, if a person abandons a kid, a kid, nine to 10 times it's a dad, it's a man. Women almost never do that, that's why. Look, if a person abandoned his kid, a kid, nine to ten times, it's a dad. It's a man. Women almost never do that.

That's why you hear about a mom who left their kids. Everybody's like, oh my god, it's the craziest thing ever. Then you got the dad that shows up every weekend and you get applause because you're such a great man. I was watching Family Guy last night with my kids in Jessica. And there was an episode where Peter was taking care of Stewie because his wife lowest, which she was hurt. And he's got Stewie at the park and then Stewie's like, oh, I went poop.

So he goes and changed the diaper and all the women in the park are like, oh my God, it's a dad changing a diaper. And they all get around him and everyone's like, music's playing. He's like a superhero just because he changed a diaper. Oh, man, the standards are so good. I know, I always feel bad for Katrina when they have, since it's happened to me before, where I'm doing something like that,

changing a diaper, I'm feeding Max. It's like literally, it's like a five minute project. And I'm saying they're like, he's such a good dad. That's the thing. She's like, really? I do that all day, every day.

I only do it in public when there's people to watch. It is for five minutes. So it's such a great day. It's true. But I mean, we're wired fundamentally different. Now what lights up for the guy? So imagine protection protective. It's just similar. Just those parts of the brain, I can pull up a study, those parts of the brain just don't light up as much. Are we just over? A little more dim. Yeah. I mean, look, look, look, look, I have just, look,

I have, I'm just don't we've just not touch with our feelings. Well, I mean. Look, I have, or just don't see it. We're just not such of their feelings. Well, I mean, bro, I have an infinite home, right? So she's, you know, she just turned four months and she has tough nights where she gets up freaking seven times in a night and Jessica's doing it and she's losing her mind. And in the middle of it, Jessica's like, you know, oh, but I love her so much and I can't,

and I'm like, man, you know, every once in a while I'll take over. And I'm trying to do this a little bit more just to give her a much and I can't and I'm like man, you know every once in a while I'll take over and I'm trying to do this a little bit more Just to give her a break when I can and I'm like and she'll wake up three times with me for whatever reason Which is like you know all right cool. Thank you, you know, I'm not getting this seven eight time But I I do it she wakes up three times. I'm like oh my god if I did this every night I don't know if I would want to do this I think I'd probably give up and be like I don't want anymore. She does it every single night and it's like she's hard wired. There's something there that just makes her able to withstand that torture to a point where

it's just for me on the outside of it's like, wow, that's pretty amazing. It's probably how she feels when I open jars that she can't open. Wow, that's really amazing. How does he do that? Wow, that's crazy. What do you could do that? Wow, that's crazy. What he can do. But anyway, I, you know, for those studies, we're like, we're like, we're done. Are you, you're definitely on a cool phase now with a really is like, are you seeing these?

I remember it, it's, he's like every month and still to this day it feels like every month now. The cognitive leaps. Oh, huge. Like just the, like the things that they, like, like, Max is now negotiating, which I think is like, Oh, yeah, it's so it's like so. That is a good. He's really good. Really good.

Oh, so that's a good problem. It is such a closer dude. He's such a closer. And I call her out of like, oh, you just got close. Really? You get to I mean, I love it because you've done the alternate advance on. Yeah? Yeah. So, you know, we have our, you know, structure, right? That we've been very consistent with on, on like what the routine looks like bedtime, but sometimes he wants to disrupt that.

Oh, I want to, I want to play with Daddy longer. Oh, I want to do this. And we should know, we have bedtime at that, then he'll like negotiate. Well, what if I don't read a book, or I only read one book, you know, so he'll like negotiate like the other things that he does in his thing, like, or I'll skip that. And so I could play with Daddy book or I only read one book, you know, so he'll like negotiate like the other things that he does and his thing like, or I'll skip that.

And so I could play with Daddy longer or do this or I don't want to take a bath. I'll skip a bath tonight. You know, that is a huge leap though. If you really think it is, I was trying to explain the Katrina monk. Think of what's his brain like that? He's getting things. That's a, that's a big cognitive leap to be able to, it's one thing to like repeat what you say, understand what things are, but then to also be able to recognize there's a pattern of

what we do every single night, recognize there's time within that pattern that if I do this one thing longer, I need to eliminate something like the fact that he like it's such a cool knowing how to negotiate it. Yes. And make a deal that may sound attractive. Yes. To the other person. Yes.

Yeah, no, really, it does this thing where he'll start. So he likes me to tell stories. I think I told you guys this already. And I'll make up these stories and he's super into cars. Not the cartoon, he likes that too, but he just likes cars. He likes fast cars. So you guys know I have a sports car. So we get in and I'll rev it and he has a great time with it.

And he always likes me to tell stories, tell stories about, and he knows the name of my car. He'll say the whole name out, which is pretty funny. So yesterday we're eating dinner and I'm like, Hey buddy, I want you to tell me a story. So he's like, okay, and he goes, Papa gets in the car, he pushes the button, it turns on, then he pushes the pedal and we go real fast and we're cracking up because he's telling the story.

So I'm like, tell me a story about mama and he goes, angry. I was like, fumes coming out of the drop. That's what was right there. You know what I mean? She heard that and I was like, oh my God, that's what I said was angry. That's hilarious.

Oh, I love it. Max even, like, did he so, like, he knows how to even like after he closes that deal and Katrina agrees, then he has like this move where he'll go like, mommy, and he waits, right? She, yeah, yes, son, I love you. Oh, wow. And then she just seals the deal. Oh, yeah, just whatever you want.

Like, I saw this kid knows what he's doing right now. Yeah, it's funny. It's funny to watch out. Kids are great because they're so honest. Like, they'll just say some crazy shit to somebody and just be like, I remember my oldest, he would just tell people, like, you have bad breath and or whatever.

Like, stop, don't save that. You know, I, face smells, you know? You know, I told you guys how we, like, I do the stories and I'm like way more elaborate than Katrina's. Like, he will you guys how we like we I do the stories and I'm like way more elaborate than Katrina's like he will Katrina's like He'd be a courgette sir. Yeah, he encourages and so she's tried like she's always like trying new things that and everyone's Well, and she's tired. She's she'll like she'll steal the story from like a song or something else like that and he'll like no mommy

That's a song No mommy. Yeah. No mommy, that's it. You gotta make it up. Yeah, you gotta cover something original, or else he picks up on it. No mommy, that's a song. It's a story. It's a great dude.

I gotta tell you guys about, switch gears back to health a little bit. I was thinking really deep, so we did that interview with Dr. Wilcold. Great, by the way, that turned out to be a phenomenal. Yes it did. Interview, and you know, look, full disclosure, it was one of those interviews that,

you know, I wasn't super excited about, I wasn't not excited about, I was like, okay, functional medicine doctor, we've had a few on the show, he sounds cool. All right, let's see what happens. And it turned out to be one of my favorite conversations and it's getting shared like crazy. It was a lot of fun.

If you haven't listened to it, if you're listening, you should go check it out. But anyway, there was a portion on there that really got me thinking. So he talks a lot about the mind connection with the body and how stress affects the body and that kind of stuff. And then we were talking about autoimmune issues.

And autoimmune issues, a lot of people may not realize this, but this is one of the big things that has exploded, one of the chronic types of health issues that have exploded in modern societies. And we aren't quite sure what the hell's going on. Like an example would be like food allergies. Like when we were kids, which wasn't that long, I know we're older, but it wasn't that long ago,

I don't remember a single kid with a single food allergy. It did. It was just one kid. So, okay, you remember one kid. One kid that we couldn't have peanuts around and we always got so mad. I feel bad now, but just like to push him down at recess.

Yeah. The peanut butter sandwich and the breathing on his face. Just repeat it. That's it. So put peanut butter on his back. We were assholes. Oh yeah. I don't remember anybody. It was so rare, right? It was super rare. So put the peanut butter on his back like, we were assholes. Oh yeah, I'm sure.

I don't remember anybody. It was so rare, right? It was super rare. Now, you know, I have kids that go to school. It's so prevalent that it's like, I'll estimate like 10%, right? Like one at a 10 or two at a 10 kids will have some type of severe food allergy.

And if you look at the data on autoimmune issues like Crohn's disease, colitis, and other types of autoimmune issues, they seem to be growing at pretty crazy rates. And so we can't figure out what's going on. It looks, anyway, I was thinking about this and I was thinking about autoimmune issues and what's actually happening.

And what I'm about to say, I don't think is the cause, but I definitely think can contribute to maybe not an autoimmune issue, but rather can contribute to your own body kind of not really working with you. So the flare up maybe just the flare up or just, you know, you don't have an autoimmune issue, but I'm getting good issues. I'm starting to get achiness and stiffness and hormone issues. And why do I feel like crap? So when you look at autoimmune issues, what essentially essentially is, it's your immune system attacking your body. It's recognizing a part of your body,

whether it be your gut or your thyroid, like in high-shamotos, and saying, that's a foreign invader attack it. And it's so hard to treat because it's your own body attacking itself. And I thought, you know, this is very true. The body believes the mind, just like the mind starts to believe the body.

So giving an example, if you feel depressed in your mind, your body starts to mirror that. You start to move differently, start to walk differently, start to feel less energy. And vice versa, if you put yourself in a depressed position, you'll start to actually feel depressed. It's a two-way road. You can't disconnect the mind from the body.

They're both the same. Okay, they're both connected, I should say. Which by the way, there's a two-way road. You can't disconnect the mind from the body. They're both the same. Okay. They're both connected, I should say. Which by the way, there's a bunch of studies to show, like why they're doing the Superman pose before you go into a meeting or just by standing upright posture, how much that percentage that can increase mood. So there's definitely a direct connection. There is, or by winning a chess match to testosterone spikes or something like that, right? So, mind body, you can't separate them. They're intricately connected, they communicate to each other.

One believes the other and vice versa. Makes sense, evolutionarily speaking, that your body would believe your mind and vice versa. So if you have terrible body image issues, if you really hate yourself, you think you're gross, you think you're disgusting, I'm fat, I'm not worthy. Lots of shame. You're you're disgusting. I'm fat. I'm not worthy. Lots of shame. You're telling your mind that this body, this person, is not good. Could that eventually or could that trigger immune response to where you're more likely to develop gut issues? You're more likely

to develop inflammation. You're more likely to develop situations where you just feel like crap because your body and your immune system in particular believes the mind. It says this is a foreign invasion. Well, also too. I mean, how much do you think a factor of having these diagnosis of, you know, available in the lexicon in terms of like people's knowledge of like, you know, oh, maybe it's, yeah, maybe, maybe you have Ciliac, or maybe you have, and like they're throwing these symptoms your way, and you're like, oh, I can identify with this symptom,

and I can, and now all of a sudden, you're believing these, and then all of a sudden, it becomes a part of what you think is happening. Is that what happened when WebMD got really popular? Didn't that happen, but like, well, as a population, well, these contagians are actually, I think if I'm not mistaken, Anorexia. Anorexia was quite rare

until it became, I think, some celebrities talked about it in the 70s, I wanna say. And then it became like a phenomena among girls. They call it like a social contagion. Maybe Doug can look up Anorexia social contagion or might be bulimia. And you can see stuff like this where all of a sudden you have people identifying with a particular mental disorder issue because other people have this issue are talking about. Yeah, I wonder because I mean, I'm sure there's physically, there's

your body is reacting and like reacting to certain foods. I just, I feel like maybe it accelerates because the numbers accelerate so much that now you have, you know, some kind of a rationale and reasoning behind it. I'll give you an example. You take a vegan who's a vegan because they vehemently believe in the welfare of animals. Like don't kill animals, don't eat animals, okay? And let's say you've fed them, you secretly tricked them into eating red meat. Red meat will not have a negative effect on your blood sugar levels or your insulin, okay? It's fat protein, it's not going to have an effect on your body, but let's say you give that to a vegan, they eat it, and then you tell them, ha ha, we tricked you, you just ate some meat. You'll probably see a blood sugar response or insulin response because of the stress, the mental stress of what they just did.

Oh my God, I just ate animal. I don't want to eat animal and you'll measure it physiologically that their body will react to it because of the, because of their mind, because of how they feel. What does that say there? Yeah, so research in the 1980s and female college students first suggested that disordered eating behavior spread through social contagion, demonstrating that binge eating clustered within sororities.

So it does sound like bulimium, particular is a social contagion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And by the way, these social contagions tend to proliferate more and young women than men because young women are more, the more sensitive to, I mean, just the society in general. I mean, they're very good at reading. I wonder what was before Belemia,

and I wonder if this is a common trend, it's just different things that manifest. Yeah, there's theories around lots of different things with that. But my whole point with this is, if you're hating yourself, if you're constantly hating yourself, hating your body, and you can't figure out why the hell your body won't respond, why do I feel like crap? But maybe try actively thinking differently,

and it may not feel normal and natural to you because that's not your normal practice, but practice saying things and thinking things and finding ways to think of yourself better and over time you're probably going to notice and it's not woo-woo. I mean, it's not woo-woo. Again, the body believes the mind, so it makes sense that this would, you know, that this way. Well, as in us, we had Dr. Roy von Togma, I forget his last name, but like cancer. Yeah, and just the way that he would present diagnosis to patients and try way more optimistic.

Yeah, optimistic and just like have have a more of a positive take in terms of treatment. And we're going to really see like the success of this versus like the doom and glue like go all the way to, you know, like have them sort of prepare them for the worst case scenario and death, you know, and solve a lot better result in the positive direction. Well, your wife was a nurse for a long time and she worked at pediatric, right? Yeah.

Have you ever asked her about how children react to like surgery versus adults having the same surgery? Oh, yeah. The kids are like, they don't know they're supposed to hurt. No, they don't get up and move around. Yeah, the adults like, I need more pain. Yes, she's like trying to keep them on the bed from jumping around and like, you know,

rooting their stitches or whatever. And it's just like, yeah, kids don't have that intuitively until it's projected from their perspective. I really feel like that, but we talked, I just talked recently how Max went through this like crazy throwing up spell. And from the very beginning, we never freaked out about him puking. And I swear to God, that's why he's like, nonsulent.

Carries the bowl around, throws up, you know, apologizes, wipes his mouth, goes back to doing his thing, like, doesn't even think it's a big deal because we never made a big deal about it. You're right. Yeah. A hundred percent. We did the wrong thing with a really small sick. And a couple of times we kind of freaked out

because it was middle of night or whatever. And 100% it scared him. To now where he's a little worried, about, oh, what's gonna happen? So 100%, especially with children, they learn how they're supposed to react and how they're supposed to feel and regulate through their parents or through their caretakers.

So yeah, we messed up on that. Anyway, Adam, I wanna talk about Park City, Utah. Yeah. A location there. Is it, what was the thing that we were waiting for? The sauna. Is it coming? Arriving in, I think the thread dug it,

say two to three weeks, is that what I saw? I believe that's what you told me, yeah. Now, are there vacancies coming up or is it totally booked? It's not totally booked. There is some vacant. In fact, I actually think this coming month is actually one of the slowest months of the whole year. So there's somebody that's interested in getting in soon.

But the last time we bought on the show, we had quite a few bookings right afterwards. So it seems like every time we've mentioned on the show, it tends to start to fill up. So basically, it's a How Many Bedroom? Again, this is a three bedroom. Three bedroom. And it's in Park City, Utah. Yep. And In there you have sauna cold dip PRX gym. Do you have a steam room? Jacuzzi. Jacuzzi. And then you have the red light therapy. Red light

theory movie theater. The last supplements. Yeah, supplements and stuff inside there. Yeah, all that all that that is inside there and you can go to stuff inside there. Yeah, all that all that that is inside there. And you can go to Myandpumparkcity.com. You can also find us on Instagram at the Myandpump Rintles on Instagram. You can see photos of inside it. A lot of it's not updated. We've done more stuff as far as like some pictures on the wall and some rugs and lamps. And so it looks a little bit nicer than what you see on there. It still looks nice, but it looks really plain. Cool. We've done more. And the tile that I picked in the kitchen work, huh? You made fun of me for a second. nicer than what you see on there. It still looks nice, but it looks really plain. We've done more stuff. And the tile that I picked in the kitchen work, huh? You guys made fun of me for a second.

I guess it was really tiny. It was the blue cabinets that I thought wasn't gonna. That's what it was. Yeah, you did the, I did the tile. You did the blue cabinets and I thought, oh, I don't know about this, but once it was all done and the couch and the rug and everything, it really pulled everything together.

I feel like I had to contribute something. No, it looks good. I wish God, I wish we'd been out there more. It's like, we'll be planning a trip there, we'll see. No, we need to, the snow out there is insane. Well, we got to create, we have to create more workout programs.

So that'll be good to do it. We'll agree. All right, do we have a shout out? Is anybody have a shout out for today? Will Cole, if you want to do it. Oh, yeah. Let's do his, Doug, he's great. Let me get that, he's exact.

His Instagram, I can pull it up here. He's, oh, it's Dr. Wilcole. So DR, Wilcole, COLE, functional medicine practitioner, he's most known for working with celebrities like Wendell Paltrow, but very smart guy and he communicates very well and effectively. So if you're into wellness and health, go check this guy out on Instagram, Dr. Wilcold. All right, check this out.

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use the code Mind Pump, get 20% off any of their products. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Kay Lynn from Canada. Kay Lynn, how can we help you? Hey guys, thank you guys so much for answering my question. I am like super nervous, so I'm probably going to just read my question. But my question is about the rest periods, specifically the prescribed rest periods during anabolic. So I'm following anabolic right now. I'll give you a little bit of background

about why I'm asking this question without making it sound like a bunch of excuses. I'm a mom to three little kids. They're from two to eight. And I work out exclusively at home. That being said, most of the time when I'm working out, I have kids around who may be jumping in and out of workouts with me. Or who need parenting kind of in-between workouts. I have a two-year-old who has her own little set of two-pound dumbbells and likes to try to copy everything I'm doing, which I appreciate, but it's also hard to look heavy things with little kids kind of in and around my feet.

And then my older boys are five and eight and I'm usually breaking up a wrestling match at some point during their workout. Yeah, I also work full time, and I solo parent two to three weeks every month, because my husband works out of town. So I've done the wake up early in the mornings before the kids get up before, and I found I just got way to burnt out doing that. And I just never prioritized sleep. As a former athlete who probably over trained for many, many years

after listening to you guys, I've kind of learned how to prioritize rest and the importance of rest and recovery. So at this point, I'm hoping to not have to kind of get back to the 5am workout before work and before getting kids up and ready for school. So I guess my question is, how crucial is it to follow the rest periods? How might my progress be affected by taking extra rest? And is there maybe a more appropriate rep range that would be more forgiving for kind of sporadic rest periods during a workout? Yeah, I knew where you were going with this question. And I was smiling as you're going through it because it's cool to hear and picture you

with your kids while you're working out. Here's the deal. No, it's not that big of a deal whatsoever. And in fact, the splitting hair difference of being that meticulous about your rest periods doesn't even come close to trumping what's your relationship you're building with exercise with your children.

Yeah. Well, that is a million times more valuable, what you are doing with your kids and allowing them to interact with you and see you doing that. It's not even in the same universe. Yeah, I'll say this to you. First off, I don't know how you look so rested and healthy with three kids all under the age of, what did you say, eight? That's crazy. Good for you. So here's a deal.

You'll get better results if you split up your workout throughout the day. By the way, ready for this? Most people would get better results that way. Not because, so it's not just because you're limited. In fact, taking a workout and doing it throughout the entire day would probably give most people better strength and muscle gains.

Now the set that where you would maybe see a sacrifice is an endurance because you're not training with shorter rest periods. You may lose a little bit of muscle stamina, but who cares? Unless you're competing at something, if your goal is to be fit, healthy, sculpted, good metabolism, I mean, that's not that big of a difference. But when it comes to strengthen muscle, you'll actually build more muscle and be stronger by allowing yourself to break up your workouts. So it's not a, it's not like you're sacrificing something. In fact, I've recommended this to people

who don't have kids who are not in your circumstance and also, hey, you have access to a gym all day. Try breaking your workout up into three or four blocks, workout throughout the whole day and see what happens. And they all come back and report a better result. So yeah, don't worry about the rest periods. If they interrupt you and you got to stop for 10 minutes and go back to it or stop and then eat lunch and whatever, put the kids down, go do the rest of the workout, it's, you're not

just fine, you'll get better results that way. Yeah, I'm actually, I mean, when I have clients that are concerned about rest periods, usually it's that they don't want to rest, right? And they want to just keep powering out and get through the workouts when, in fact, you know, it sort of defeats the purpose of when we're trying to focus on strength and building muscle. So in terms of that and like breaking it up in chunks, it's really not going to have that big of an impact on you.

But what Sal said in terms of having those short blocks, like it's actually going to benefit you more, even to just go in that direction. So I think that you're in a great place. Yeah, I'll tell you what, if I had the ability to do that, I would actually work out that way. I would work out,

I would take my hour workout and do like three 20 minute workouts. And I get better, I've experimented with that myself. Katrina loves that now. We did that while she was pregnant and when we first had Max and she's just continued it on.

She doesn't need to do that anymore. He's in school all day. She likes it. And she still prefers to kind of like, she opens up our garage door and she's like, got the laptop out and she's half working. She goes to some sets,

clean some house stuff, comes back to some more sets. Courtney does the same and it's like, you'll take that one compound lift, you'll focus just on that. You, come back, do the next one. So it's like you can totally chunk it out like that, no problem. Yeah, and it's, I mean, the reason why I don't do that anymore is it's inconvenient for me, but for someone like you, it's more convenient. So it's actually the better of both.

So, and I want to communicate that because you're not compromising your progress. If anything, you're going to communicate that because you're not compromising your progress. If anything, you're going to see better progress that way. So, go ahead, let it be broken up. Do the whole workout throughout the whole day. It's not going to, not only will it not make a big difference, it'll actually probably give you better results. Awesome.

Because yeah, sometimes on like a Saturday morning, a foundational workout could take me all morning. Like, I get up, and anytime I try to get up before the kids, it's like they have a spidey sense and they just wake up extra early that day because they do, I'm also awake. And yeah, like for the mental health benefits, I try to do it when they're not around or sleeping,

but then it's always that balance between rest and getting sleep. And yeah, having them join me, like I said, I kind of love hate at the same time. Here's one thing I'll say though, is if it starts to stretch out over like three, four hours, it's okay to have some food or some calories in between, because what you don't want to do is go,

like skip meals because I got to finish my workout because that'll start to become a problem. So I experimented with this where I'll do like five to six sets every other hour all day long. So I'll take a Saturday and just do every other hour, I'll do like five or six sets, but I'll make sure to eat a small meal in between most of those workouts. Because if I don't, then I'll start to notice detrimental effects. So that's the other part of it.

By the way, we have somebody that has been in our programs who does this phenomenally. She posts on her page all the time, videos of her working out with their kids in the background. I don't know what her page is called. Grace? Yeah, Grace Barga. Yeah.

So you can look her up. I don't know what her Instagram is. It might be just her name, Grace Barga. But she's been in some of our programs, phenomenal shape fitness. I think she's got three kids too. And she does the same thing. She just breaks it up throughout the day. She's in maps anywhere. Yeah.

Awesome. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. I heard you in like a friend introduced me to you guys on a bachelor at party weekend actually. And we've been kind of geeking out over my mom's and son. So I've gone back and listened to a lot of the older episodes. And there was an episode where you were talking about using a timing, like a stopwatch, to make sure you're getting kind of the appropriate rest, which kind of made me think of whether or not I was doing myself a disservice, but I appreciate kind of all the input. No, it's a good question.

And it does make a difference. It's one of my favorite ways to get somebody who's in a plateau to kind of break that plateau. But that's not the novelty aspect of it. Yeah, but where you're at and in your priority, I mean, it just, you're fine. You're gonna be just fine, and we're talking about a splitting hair difference. Yeah, think of it this way too.

I'm sure that there's the occasional, oh my God, I have an hour to myself, you know, type of stuff. In that case, go ahead and see if you can power through the workout and work a little bit on the strength and stamina. So I'm sure that occasion will probably pop up a couple times or a few times a month, in which case, then you'll get the benefit of the novelty, right? The fact that it's different. But otherwise, you're totally fine. Awesome. Thank you guys so much.

Yeah, no problem. It makes me feel better. No problem. Thanks for calling it. Right. Yeah. See you. Right. Bye-bye. I love that. You love that.

I love that question. I love that we can communicate this because I think a lot of people skip workouts because they don't think they have, oh, I don't have 45 minutes, so why do it at all. It's like you could literally do one exercise, do something else, one exercise, do something else, make it, you know, end up doing five or six or seven exercises throughout the day and get excellent results. Yeah. It was just this thought that it wasn't going to be effective. So why bother and like, you know, having to get all the kids to go in the kids club and like have them in California and all that.

No, bring a man, man. I love that. I mean, to me, that's, I mean, you all went the direction of, you know, that she's going to get just as good a result. I actually don't give a shit. Like if she got worse results, I still think it's the move to do that. That what she is building with her kids, her kids interacting with her while she's working out is the single most powerful thing that she can do to allow that to bleed into their life organically. Oh yeah.

And they just see it. And modeling it. Yes, modeling that. And so, you know, she could get up at five o'clock in the morning and her kids never see her workout. And she gets a more optimal workout, potentially. But to me, hell, that doesn't, I'd rather have a suboptimal work

workout and allow my kids to interact and see what I'm doing so that they then want to emulate it later on. Then try and schedule it where I'm away from them so much, just because I selfishly want to make a little bit more games Yeah, well here's a deal the reason why I didn't say because that's true You says a hundred centuries the reason why I don't say that is cuz she's a mom of three little kids She works full-time her husband's gone for two months two weeks and whatever the last thing she wants to hear is about how she can be a better

You know trying to find time So I'm not gonna say that but no I don't know It's not about being a better mom as much as you are. She you're kicking ass. It's kicking more about letting her know that like, dude, what you're doing. Are you sure? Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. Our next caller is Kevin from North Carolina. Kevin, welcome back. How can we help you? Hey guys. Yeah. Hey, I want to start out. First of all, just by thanking you guys so much for all the content you put out. You guys were absolutely instrumental in me becoming a personal trainer and a nutrition coach. First of all, just by thanking you guys so much for all the content you put out, you guys were

absolutely instrumental in me becoming a personal trainer and a nutrition coach. And I've just learned a ton from you guys, listen to you guys consistently and still do do this day. So thanks for all the content you guys put out. Thanks for having on. All right guys, I got a question here. I hear you talking about the benefits of minicuts during a bulk phase. And I had a couple of questions about programming these. Number one is, how aggressive should these minicuts be? I mean, are these just modest calorie reductions? Are we not messing around?

And number two, what's the best strategy for coming out of these cuts and returning to a bulk? Is it best to reverse slowly out of these or we just kind of pick back up where we were in the bulk? What does that look like? Are you using it just to interrupt a bulk? Is that what you're asking? So like, let's say I'm on, I have somebody who ultimately wants to put 20 pounds of muscle on and we've been on a bulk, let's say for six to 12 weeks and it's like, you hear us talk about the mini cut in there. Is that what we're talking about? That's exactly it. Yeah. Kind of a break from that bulk or, you know,

maybe somebody that's kind of noticed and a little, getting a little fluffing would like to just knock a little that out before they get back onto the fluff. Yeah. Back onto the bulk. You know, how much the cut is as far as the reduction of calories really matters where they're, where they're at, right? So like, if I have somebody who's at like 4,000 calories maintenance or that's what their bulk is. Let's say their bulk is 4,000, their maintenance is 3,500. I could run them at say a 3,000 or 2,800 calorie cut for like say a week or even like three to four days really low and then right back to the bulk.

So and you can go right back. You don't need to like reverse out of that because we are and you could you could be extreme. By the way, and I've done that with clients. If I have a client who has a very robust, healthy metabolism, they eat a lot of calories. I've done before where I, like we go four or five days, really low calorie, four or five days of really low calorie interrupting somebody who has a healthy metabolism

who eats 4,000 calories. It's not extreme. It's in fact, probably really good for them to do something like that. Have you ever seen a Walter Longos research on the fasting mimicking diet where you eat 500 calories a day for like a week Like I would it's okay. So research some of his stuff. He's got some great Great information around the fasting mimicking diet where you eat 500 calories. I have done that before where I've got somebody who eats 4,000 calories and then but for one week I

Cut back either all of their training or reduce it and go like okay We, we're just going to super low calorie and then I'm going to boom right back the other direction again. So there's not like this blueprint of exactly how many calories it looks like, but I would say it's a week or less the shorter the time frame, the more more extreme I'll go with calories, the longer the time frame, the less extreme I'll go. Here's how I like to basic Kevin is I go go, I judge the cut on whether or not they're hungry. The goal is for them to be hungry.

That's the goal. So if I cut their calories and like, oh, I feel good. All right, we didn't cut enough. The idea with the mini cut is to more than all the other reasons, because there's a burden appetite. That's it. There's lots of reasons I could, you know, like, okay, we're trying to minimize fat gain and improve the sensitivity to protein and blah, blah, blah.

It's all minor. The psychological aspect is the most important. And so I just cut the calories to their hungry, because I want them hungry. I want them to come out of this three day, four day, five day cut, wanting to get back on the bulk. That's 99% of the reason why I use it. I use many cuts to get them to feel good about going back on the bulk. Because once you've

been bulking for a while, it's like your force feeding yourself and you just get bored. I don't want to eat this much. So it's the number is based on how they feel. Are you hungry? No, I'm not. Cut more. Oh my god. I'm starving. Cool. We're going to stay here for a couple days and put you back on the bulk. And there's no need to reverse out of it slowly. You just jump back into the bulk Got it. So when you say many cut you guys mean many you're talking. I mean I hear you say three four baby three four days Maybe a week. It's but you're not doing like a two week or three week not not for somebody That's around your in your out. Yeah, when it's an interrupt not not what yeah Not that's why I asked when we first started this question is like,

are we talking about somebody who is like wanting to bulk need to build and we're just trying to interrupt it? If you're somebody who's like actually more in that, like they're looking for longevity and health, they're not trying to gain 20 pounds of muscle, they just want to stay fit and lean, like and we've been on a bulk for say 12 weeks. Oh, well then you could definitely do a little mini cut

for three, four weeks. Because it's a different goal, right? But if someone is like, and the cut's going to be less, less aggressive. That's right. Yeah. So we're not looking to make, we're not looking to make you super hungry. We're just looking to make you feel good. Got it. All right. No, that answers, that answers my question. Wouldn't you? Especially how you're coming out of that. So you guys would say just jump right back where you were. So you're reading 3800 calories, nine, you read 2800 calories. Do that for three, four days, jump right back.

That's it. Yeah, reverse dieting really kicks in when you have a chronic low calorie. That's right. Someone who's been chronically eating low or binge, restrict, binge, restrict, that someone like that is somebody who you wanna be really cautious with slowly increasing calories.

Someone who's got a robust healthy metabolism that's eating 3,000, 4,000 calories a day, interrupting that with a week of very, very low calories, not damaging to the metabolism, what so are. And that's kind of like that old adage of like, oh, starvation mode, that's starving the body. No, you'll get health benefits from someone who eats 4,000 calories on a regular basis

to all of a sudden going to 500 for seven days. That's not a big deal. Exactly. Cool. All right. And it's the question. You got it, man. Thanks, Kevin.

All right, guys. Thanks for taking my call. Keep up the great work. No problem. All right. Actually, a great question. He always has great questions. Yeah, I know.

He coaches people. He works with people. You know, so he understands, like, he's going to get the questions out of the most, you know, the most valid, the ones that people are probably wondering. He's one of my favorite guys in the NCI group because he truly, I feel like he really takes advantage of all the opportunity with all of us that he gets to see in the coaching thing, with the free stuff that we provide here. Like, I love that.

I mean, that was like the part of the idea of all this is like trying to promote these trainers to utilize all this stuff to better their businesses Like and so he's done an incredible job of watching it again. It just to reiterate the ideas to feel hungry That's the main main purpose of that interrupting it's a good simple way to cut So like whatever you need to cut to feel hungry again. That's where you need to go. Yeah our next caller is Gilbert from California Gilbert, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? Happy to be here on the show. It's kind of crazy. It's a real staring at you guys right now. So I've been listening to the show probably for like a month now, but there's pretty much all I've been listening to.

So I appreciate all the advice and all the being a dad, all the dad stuff you guys talk about. It's actually all this like, oh, this is actually pretty great. So it's not only about fitness, but now I'm learning stuff that you guys build with the same stuff I see. So thank you for that. You got them, man. Um, but to my question, um, so I actually just started, um, all right, just finished a cut. I'm about to finish a cut. I was at 199 pounds January 9th, and I've dropped down, I'm right at 170 right now, and I've dropped from about 20% body fat to 8% body fat.

And this is like the most successful cut I've had. I will say it was on 75 hard, and I know you guys thought on 75 hard, but I'm just about a finish. And so now I'm like, I want to make sure I know where to go next and I have a pamphurt so that I don't end up, you know, going back to older habits. So right now, I'm training for Spartan so my plan is to do six Spartan races, obstacle course racing

this year. I have three that are like in the gym, kind of more focused on gym exercises than three outdoor ones, which I know a lot of like pulling yourself up and cardio as well. So really my question is, I know a lot of people say you can't do both where you're bulky weightlifting, which I love to weightlifts, and keeping your cardio up. And so like, I know there's a lot of people that say, oh, you can't do one.

You can't focus on cardio and your fitness there, and keep your weightlifting and bulking at the same time. So really my question is, I don't believe that. And I'm kind of looking for advice on what the best route to go is now if I want to bulk up a little bit, but still maintain my cardio fitness. Yeah, I mean, you can do both. You're just not going to do both as good as you could if they were, yeah, if they were your only only goal. Like, if your only goal was to build muscle, then you would do it more effectively if you didn't simultaneously

train for lots of stand endurance for Spartan races and vice versa. If your only goal was to be to improve your performance in your races, you would do better than if you tried to do that plus bulk. But it doesn't sound like you're too extreme with either one and you kind of want to do a little both, which is totally fine. So I'll say this, if you're doing three to four days a week of Spartan type exercise training, one to two days a week of strength training

is not just plenty, but that's gonna be ideal. Three and three is a little too much. So I would go one to two, focus on getting stronger, then three to four, do your Spartan type training, and then here's the other important thing, very important. Make sure you eat adequate calories and protein. That's gonna be the limiting factor. For most people with that much activity,

they tend to not eat enough to fuel any type of muscle gains. And then it's gonna happen slowly, but you'll get a little bit of both. You do know we wrote a program for this, right? I do. It was all laid out, right? Right up to when you race. Yeah, so we're gonna give you MAPS OCR, bro. I mean. It was all laid out, right? When you race. Yeah. So what we're going to give you, maps, OCR, bro. I mean, that's why we wrote this. We wrote this specifically

for someone like you that wants to build muscle, but then also do well at their Spartan race. So we program everything in there, including the cardio aspect of it, all the types of exercises that are going to favor you in the sport. Like we know what grip focused the strength training in there as well. So yeah, we'll send that to you if you don't have it. Yeah, awesome. I appreciate that. Yeah, and that's kind of where I'm going to go to a gym. It's like a group fitness classes, but now I'm starting to see that.

Like it's not really tailored to what I'm trying to do. It's, you know, more so for for beginner intermediate people trying to lose weight. So that helps a lot because that was my other question. Like, where do I go now? My fitness, I have with my at it. My workouts, because I haven't seen a lot of programs dedicated to my distance, your training. No, this is an OCR specific program. We wrote it with a top racer.

So it's well programmed. But I want to comment on the group fitnesser. So it's well-programmed. But I want to comment on the group fitness thing. They'll never be tailored for you. No group class is ever tailored for an individual. So it's a way to work out, but it's the least effective way to work out. You got it, man.

You got it, man. But we'll send that to you. So follow the program as laid out, or if you want to do it on your own, follow the advice that I gave earlier. Right on. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. I got it on your own, follow the advice that I gave earlier. All right, I don't think you guys appreciate it. I got a round of things to call in. Thank you guys.

Who was it that wanted to do a Spartan race? Was one of you guys was trying to convince us all to do it? Was it you Justin? I mean, I was like considering it, but I wasn't like- He's the most likely to do it. I probably will do it at some point, you know? Do you see how much- She's my question.

Somebody asked that, just the questions I did yesterday. No, I don't have one. I mean, people, I think almost every time I do those questions, we get at least one or two people that would love to see us do it. You know what I told them, I said, I would never say never, but it's what I have learned in the nine years of us being around each other,

is that rarely ever has our goals all aligned. I know. So that's the challenge you I'm giving up on that. Yeah, you know, one guy's working on his gut health and stuff. The other guy's working on his mobility. The other guy's trying to hit PRs. And then I'll send this guy's working on his, you know, it's like getting all of our goals aligned

to then want to train for something like that. That's very specific. Although I'm a little salty, because we've all done together these aesthetic goals and all that stuff. And you guys have never done a performance goal with me. Did we do all the other aesthetic goals at the same time? Yeah bro, we're always always kept with the same thing.

We did a body, we did a body, we did that body. Two or three times. Body composition one. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, probably still never happened. Actually, that's not true.

I don't want to say too much, but coming up. Oh yeah. We are going to. Oh you're right. Are you right? We do have a little bit of plans of the way. Yeah, that is true. That's exciting and that'll be fun. Most likely that'll be That's the one that I think all of us want to do. I think this is gonna be rad. Okay Our next color is Luke from Pennsylvania. Luke, what's up, man? How can we help you? Hi? How are you guys good? Good, dude? Good. It's awesome. Thanks for having me on Let's do it look what you got Good, good man. Good, it's awesome. Thanks for having me on.

Let's do it, Luke, what you got. So I've run Altras for about 13 years, up to like 200 miles, and started resistance training about two and a half years ago. And I've grown to like it probably just as much as running. I have two problems. One is, I'm basically afraid of weight,

increasing weight. I just saw the podcast with the look like you lift guy, Braden Barrett, and he made some really good points. I hear you guys talk about, like the benefits of the big three and lifting heavy weights and stuff. But basically I'm just worried about lifting heavy weight, right? And I was wondering if you guys had any tips on how to get more comfortable with heavier weight, I guess?

Did you come from a place where you overweight at one point and then lost a bunch of weight? What are you afraid of, injury? I think mostly, yeah. If something's in the 10 to 15 rep range, I'll do it and enjoy it and have fun. Once it starts to get heavy, I get a lot more uncomfortable. So I tend to skip like the strength training portions of things, like even with your programs, the strength phase at the beginning, like I would always change the rep range

because the five rep thing is difficult for me to, I don't know, like gauge, I guess almost too. And it's so it's fear of injuries. It sounds like the main thing. Well, look, there's two things. One is you're not maxing out. So if you're training for three reps, it's three reps with something you could do

five or six reps with. Okay. So you're not PRing. We're not, you don't want to, PRing, you have a high risk of injury. Training within that low rep range with the appropriate intensity, your risk of injury. Training within that low rep range with the appropriate intensity, your risk of injury is not much higher than it would be at 10 to 12 reps. Until you get into the super high weights, you're totally fine. So that's number one. Number two is you

can go even lighter and just slow the rep down and perfect the form to make it feel heavier. So you don't have to necessarily hit the load that's gonna give you four reps at that intensity. You could just make the rep harder so the weight feels heavier and it'll have similar results. And that's how I would start. I would start like that. I would take a weight that I could do weight reps with

and can I slow it down enough and make it so that it feels heavy at five reps. And I would start there to get comfortable with the feeling of that kind of tension. I wonder if something like isometrics would help a lot in terms of getting that feeling and bracing effect, because I'm not sure if there's an uncomfortable feeling there with breathing and how to properly kind of like stay tight and supported with your joints and like the whole overall system be able to feel You know like you're you're equipped in that exercise so to you know to be able to to use like a squat rack And like maybe maybe focus on like a barbell squat where if you if you can you can put like these safety

bars where you can push up against it If you can, you can put these safety bars where you can push up against it and get down in the hole and really push as hard as you can and drive and just get that sort of systemic effect throughout your body of just being tense and tight and trying to kind of work through that and breathe through that. I'm just trying to think a little outside the box in terms of getting you a little bit more comfortable within that environment. I think two of you run a true four, two, two type of tempo with five reps. The risk and not trying to, you know, PR on it, meaning that you still have like one or two in the tank. The likelihood

that you're going to injure that under that kind of controlled tempo is normally what I do see is, and this is more typical with guys, is guys tend to want to load, load, load, because they want to, they want to, impressive weight and they care more about that. That also nice see the tempo speeding up, speeding up, speeding up. The form goes to the top.

Just so they can put more weight on the bar and then the form goes to shit and then injury happens. But if you stay true to a good four second, negative, two second pause at the bottom and then come up two seconds and you stay true to that tempo while doing like a five five by five type of structure. I think you're going to be just fine and and and and load and keep trying to load the bar to where five reps is challenging. It's underneath that tempo. Permanently. Yeah. And set yourself up with safety. So if you if you have a rack, you can use safeties to catch the bar and you can go to the bar and you can go to the bar and you can

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your body's going to respond by crazy. I'm gonna send you Maps Power Lift because it's literally, I mean, it's all about doing this. And it's all laid out. And the program is quite specific. So I'll send that to you see, have something if you want to follow something specific towards this direction. Oh, it would be great.

Thanks. Yeah, you got it, man. Any other questions? Just the other one is that like, I sort of have like a training, like ADHD, right? It's hard for me to stick to a program because I like to do a lot of different things. I enjoy training, right? So it's like, my goal is constantly shift,

but there's like one goal that I always have is like, I have three sons, three, fifteen, seventeen. And I never want for them to ask me to do something with them and I have to say no. So I love using kettlebells, I like the hypertrophy stuff, do body weight stuff, but in the course of a week I'll do all that stuff. And I know it's not like efficient or like the most effective thing I can do. So if I was okay with being like a jack of all trades and like a master of none of those things,

what does that look like to you guys? Or is it just super inefficient? And I should. Listen, the workout you do consistently is going to be the best workout. So is it like going to give you the best ultimate results? No, but because you do a consistently, and you love it, yes, it will.

So as long as you're not over-training and you're training appropriately, I mean, what you're doing is totally fine. Now, if you have a specific goal, like I wanna hit a new PR on this lift or then you probably have to get a little bit more specific with your programming. I mean, like I said, I must send you a program

and maybe if because it's laid out for you, you might be more inclined to follow something consistently. But I mean, if you're like a fitness enthusiast, you do this for fun, you enjoy it. You like doing different things. And you haven't hurt yourself, you're not training inappropriately. I'd say keep doing it.

I would just caution you to be mindful of your intensity and approach to all those things, right? So if you have this ADHD, you love endurance, you probably could handle a lot of volume and intensity. And so you maybe you trained really great that week following Maps Power Lift and then you're also wanting to do all this kettlebell stuff and stuff with your kids and all that.

Like I would never tell you don't do that stuff with your kids, I'd say that trumps everything. So do that stuff with your kids. all that. Like I would never tell you don't do that stuff with your kids. I'd say that trumps everything. So do that stuff with your kids. But then reduce the intensity dramatically. Like it should be more like play with your kids with those types of exercises and things like that. Like make sure you don't approach it with the same mindset you do when you go for a 200 mile run.

And if you can reduce it down and simplify it. I'm sorry. Yeah, so if you can, well, I was just thinking about that because yeah, I mean, obviously, I like that you care to entertain your children and do those activities with them. I think that's very important. And so to reduce it down, simplify it, like it just focused on one of those core lifts and treat it as a skill, but yeah, obviously modify your intensity.

But at least that way, too, you're kind of building and developing that in that direction. So that way, say one, at some point, you do feel inclined to kind of run through an entire program. Like you've been building slowly and developing that skill on that direction. Yeah, the intensity is my problem, it's always low. It's rarely like super high. So I train frequently, but if it's like, it's usually, you know, I think you're okay though.

If you train as often as you are, you're probably doing the right intensity. I mean, you look pretty fit, do you feel healthy? Do you feel fit? Do you feel like you could perform? Yeah, I can. So weight matters. And if I'm, yeah, way better since I've started resistance training than just doing the endurance and stuff.

Listen, I feel over. Listen, if you train a lot very often, you need to, you're supposed to train at low to moderate intensity. That's right. That's right. So you're probably doing better than you think. All right. Well, thanks for calling in Luke. All right. Thanks. You guys, thank you very much. You got him in the sauce. This guy had four arms in him, huh?

Did you see those? Yeah. Yeah, he looked OCR guy for sure. No, he looked great. You know, what we should have asked and we didn't ask him. I'm curious to what his squat and deadlift is because maybe relative to everything that he does and his body's up, he's maybe he's actually pretty damn strong. Right.

You know, because sometimes you get caught up, you see like everything on Instagram, you're like, oh, this is because he does 400 or 500. Yeah, maybe the dude's like, he's dead lifting 315 or something like that. Maybe he's squatting 225. Yeah, it's just, it's a practice thing too. Like, I 100% will walk up to a squat bar

and fear a set of 20 reps. Oh, we'll fear it. I will not fear a max set, a max rep. A max rep for me is like, let's do this, right? And it's just because I do one more than the other, right? It's a practicing. Once you practice it, then you get more comfortable with the feeling of like, because you know,

if you get good at sets of 12, 15, 20, it's different than a set of one, two, and three. It's a different, you summon strength differently, you summon the force differently. It's a different mindset. And if you get used to one, the other one is like, it's just out of your league. It's not something you're used to. And it gets really challenging. So you just got to practice it. Once you practice it, it feels, it's no longer scary. I don't think I've ever seen a client or even just like a normal gym goer get hurt in a true 422 tempo.

No. It's always somebody who is loading the bar. Because it's so controlled. And they're just wanting to put more weight on there and they're in and out of the hole as fast again or they're ripping it off the floor as soon as they can. Somebody who is in a controlled 422, I have never seen blow something or something. Yeah, even if you use a weight that you can't handle because it's slow and controlled enough for you to identify.

That's right. I can't handle this. You look the way down. You're going to be on top of that. That's right. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com. Check out all the free stuff that we give our listeners. It's amazing.

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