Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2043: How to Brace & Breathe When Deadlifting, Ways to Increase Protein Without Substantially Increasing Fat Intake, Tips for Training Around an Injury & More

Episode Date: March 31, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Using the CGM device as a tool to lose weight. (2:14) The controversy surrounding Ozempic/semaglutide. (11:42) Psyop’s for hire. (19:24) Crazy facts on Genghis Kahn. (26:04) Lunchables coming to a school cafeteria near you. (33:13) Fun Facts with Justin: The Venezuelan Poodle Moth. (35:03) Competitiveness amongst the guy’s and their wives. (40:28) Shout out to Dad Jokes. (50:32) How Justin’s uses the whey protein from Legion in his breakfast smoothie. (50:47) #Quah question #1 - What are the best bracing/breathing cues for deadlifts that you’ve taught clients in the past? (55:44) #Quah question #2 - How do you train around a sprained ankle? Only train waist up sitting or is it ok to do a leg curl/leg extension? I guess not training the ok leg only so there is no imbalances going on right? (1:00:23) #Quah question #3 - How do I increase protein but not fat? I'm trying to hit my protein goals but always exceed my fat goals. (1:06:40) #Quah question #4 - What do you hope Mind Pump's legacy will be? (1:13:38) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit NutriSense for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Legion Athletics for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** March Promotion: “Time-crunch Bundle” (MAPS 15 Minutes, MAPS Anywhere, MAPS Prime + Eat for Performance eBook ALL for only $99.99!! Mind Pump # 1815: Improving Fat Loss, Muscle Gain And Fitness With Continuous Glucose Monitors Americans desperate for the hot weight-loss drug Ozempic are turning to Canada and Mexico because they can't afford it at home Mind Pump # 2017: The Best Peptides For Fat Loss With Dr. William Seeds My First Million Podcast Lunchables are going to be rolled out directly to students. Here’s what’s in them 10 Venezuelan Poodle Moth Facts Venezuelans report big weight losses in 2017 as hunger hits Mind Pump Rentals – Utah Property 4 Cues To Improve Your Deadlift With Eugene Teo Ben Pollack Shares The Proper Deadlift Setup (AVOID MISTAKES) | Mind Pump Mind Pump # 1830: Five Steps To Determine Your Ideal Caloric Intake Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. William Seeds (@williamseedsmd) Instagram Sam Parr (@thesamparr) Twitter Dad Jokes (@Dadsaysjokes) Twitter Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere) Instagram Layne Norton, Ph.D. (@biolayne) Instagram  

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to help people to lose weight. Most of it's garbage, but there's one device that's been around for a little while, that is actually quite effective. These are CGM devices, continual glucose monitors. But there's one device that's been around for a little while that is actually quite effective. These are CGM devices, continual glucose monitors. You put them on your arm and they measure your glucose response in real time. All right, how does this help?

Well, blood sugar spikes and drops often influences our behaviors. They can make you feel irritable, they can cause cravings, energy crashes. And if you can connect these to specific foods that your body individually reacts to, it can help you create an individualized diet. So now you know why you feel particular ways throughout the day, why you get cravings, why you get energy highs and lows,

and believe me, there's a massive individual variances. So CGMs, this is one piece of tech that can really help you out. Yeah. So an actual legit insight. Finally in game. Yeah, because I think that's the key, right? Is you wear it, but then you have to connect it to how you feel,

and then you can start to connect the dots. And be like, that's why I feel this, you know, two hours later, after I ate this, or when I missleaped, this is why I get those cravings. This is why I overeat. And it starts to help to kind of, you know, connect the dots on Behaviors and then you can modify those behaviors which will then help you have a better relationship with food now that it's it's more Available to consumers because before it was like prescribed. Yes, where yeah people

Winner's a K. We've been talking about for eight years on the show. When did that happen? I don't even remember when they've been they've been used for Diabetics for longer. No, okay for diet bedics. They've been used for a long time. No, okay, I'm not about for diet bedics. I'm about the average person. Oh, I want to say like two, three years. It's only been like. If that, it hasn't been that long. No, no.

Like, okay, so like, NutriSense, right? That's company we work with. You can sign up and they'll set you up. They'll send you one in the mail, you wear it, and then you have, this is what I like about the way they do it, by the way, is you have someone on the other end that is certified to work with you on nutrition who can help you connect the dots.

Now, the reason for that is because it has these tiny little needles that prick inside you, right? It's like a hair. Like, you look at the wrong. That's the reason why it had to be like, you had to go through a medical doctor because you couldn't just over the counter. If it wasn't for that, if they didn't have to actually

penetrate your skin to be able to calculate this information, then we could have had this for people a long time ago. That's right, there was a regulations that made it like hard, right, to get. But now it's like, again, you sign up and then boom, it's a deal. But people won't realize the value unless you have a coach interpreting that data for you. Otherwise, what does it mean?

To me, that's one of the best parts about a neutral sense. I thought it was fascinating. I didn't know that I remember when we first started talking with them, we have been talking about the CGMs since the beginning of the show. So we had looked for a partner eventually when this would go to market for the average person. That was the main thing.

When I found out later, after we had a hardy partner with them was their service, was the fact that they had somebody who was constantly on there like watching and then you mess the gym they can get you know daily basis checking up on you. Oh, I told you this last night. Yeah, like they prompted me before I even asked a question They had saw that I had this like spike right before bed and then they prompted me like hey, what did you eat last night before bed Or and then I'm like oh wow, this is incredible. So I have I So the reason why I brought this up is I had a conversation with a family member

who this person is a nutritionist, like their legit, right? They work with people with kidney issues and they help with diets. And here she is now potentially pre-diabetic. And so she's asking me for advice, like, what do I do? And this is so strange, I don't understand what's going on. So we talked about the typical strength training and eat protein in the morning type of deal.

And I said, you know what's weird? I said, is the individual variance between person to person, how they react and respond to different foods. Like, you know, for example, somebody could eat a food that traditionally, you would never guess with spike blood glucose, like an avocado. Avocado's fat, fiber, that's it.

Should have no effect on blood glucose. And yet, there's rare cases where that may happen with someone and you think, well, how's that possible? They have a low level of immune response to that avocado for whatever reason. It's a food intolerance. And because of the immune response, it's a stress response.

The liver pumps out glucose or glycogen and you get the spike and then the scratch. You would never know this had you not worn a device that allows you to individualize kind of what's going on. I, you know, what was it yours Adam? You ate one thing and another thing and one thing gave you way worse of a spike. Well, I know the tacos were fine.

Oh, tacos, right. I ate like 10 tacos and I thought it was gonna give me this massive spike and it didn't give me a spike at all. And then I can't remember what I had. It was something like oatmeal. I don't remember what it was. It was like it was something,

someone would consider a healthy food, right? It was like oatmeal or a bowl of fruit or something. It was something that was light, low calorie. I mean, you're 10 tacos. There's a lot of tacos. They're like, it's a massive plate of crushed. So I expected that to spike a lot more and it wasn't even close to like the bowl of oatmeal or whatever I have. Yeah, this whole conversation around blood sugar and insulin. And there's obviously physiological things that we need to consider. You could become, you know, you lose sensitivity to insulin,

which isn't good. That's unhealthy, can cause lots of different problems, metabolic syndrome, that kind of stuff. But what I think the more important thing to focus on is how these spikes and drops affect your behaviors, because that's the root of everything. And what you find in people, when they get these high spikes, they feel weird, they feel dizzy, they don't feel good, whatever. And then these drops irritable cravings. When

you're feeling crappy in general, you're not going to, it's going to be harder for you to make your decisions aren't quite as good. They're not going to be as good. You're going to reach for something to make you feel good in the moment, which probably is also going to affect you. Not only that, it's a tool that helps you make that connection. We've been doing this for a really long time. I just told you guys two nights ago, I couldn't sleep, right? I stayed up all night, like working on stuff in my iPhone and notes and so on. Yesterday, all day long, and this is someone who, and the reason why I'm using this example

is like, I would, I'd like to think that I'm really aware when it comes to this stuff. Yet it still slips my mind temporarily, like, oh shit, that's why. Yesterday I had like told Katrina I'm like, man, this is the first day I told her I was like, the cravings are ridiculous today. I've been dieting for three weeks now. I haven't craved ice cream, crap food, none of that, and all day that's all I wanted to reach for.

And I'm like, God, why am I like that? And I had totally forgot. I'm like, oh, yesterday was the night I didn't fucking sleep. Yeah. The night long. Yep. And now look at where all my cravings are. So like these types of tools, I just think give people better insight on that. And it's not like, oh, you find out one time and then, oh, you forever will be aware of it. It's like, you'll constantly have to be kind of reminded

of that of like, oh, wow, how these types of things really affect this behavior in me and the more you become aware of that, the easier it's to go like, okay, I can tough it out for the rest of this day. And then tomorrow, if I still have that feeling, and then we'll show you. I was just gonna say, because the two things you could take from that are one,

I'm gonna be less likely to compromise sleep or, which I think is what you just talked about, is you anticipate it. Oh, you know what always happens to me? Is I start to get these cravings. I know what's gonna happen ahead of time. Here are the steps I could take to help mitigate that. Or I'm just prepared.

You know, this reminds me of, when I did long fast, it was easy, when I did like 48 or 72 hour fast, which when you're doing a fast for more than 24 hours, you get like legit hunger. If I knew I was fasting, I was prepared for the cravings and it wasn't that big of a deal. If I'm accidentally misimil and I get the cravings, I'm not prepared and I'm more likely to reach for something really quick. So this understanding

of what's about to happen does tend to set people up for a better strategy. And so when you're monitoring your blood sugar levels, and you know what's like lack of sleep, for example, you miss a night of sleep the next monitoring your blood sugar levels and you know what's like lack of sleep, for example, you miss a night of sleep the next day your blood sugar's going to be all over the place, regardless what you eat in comparison to if you had not missed a night of sleep. Well, I don't remember her name, but the representative we had on kind of describing this was talking about commonalities and strategies that were pretty effective in terms of like eating protein first thing. Yeah how to keep the blood sugar levels to kind of stay even throughout the day.

And like, you know, things like that, there's common strategies to apply that actually will help you to kind of mitigate a lot of those like swings up and down. Well, even before we knew that, I mean, we figured this out as coaches and trainers. It's why it's one of our favorite tips to give people is like before I get somebody like weighing and measuring and counting, it's like, just track your protein,

eat your protein first on all your meals. And that seems to solve so many problems. So think of that one, you get, first of all, majority of people under consume protein on a regular basis. So now you get them to bump their protein intake, plus it helps with satiety, plus it helps with their blood sugar levels. Like, it has this cascading effect with very little like new effort. Other than this, I'm not gonna tell myself I can't have that food. I'm just gonna say, hey, make sure I eat my chicken breast first

or make sure I eat the steak before I go over to the carbs and so with that. And it makes me massive. Yeah, you know what makes me jealous about this is we didn't have any of this stuff when we were trainers. It took us years of trying to earn. How many clients I got this wrong with? I feel bad because I had to do it wrong so many times before it was so much better equipped. Oh my god You imagine your first years of trainer CGM you figure this out boom. This is how it took me 10 years

Yeah, to do this the first time. Yeah, cuz it is such an individualized whole experience for everybody It's crazy. Anyway along these lines Adam you were about, you've been reading a lot about the news around OZEMPIC or the generic name. I mean, I've heard it's like sold out all over the place. I've seen, I mean, I see all the fitness influencers. You got one half that's pushing it, the other half that's demonizing it. Yeah, where, do you know, like, in terms of like pop culture culture like where it was mentioned first that like all of a sense started going gangbusters? Well, so it hit a news article first. Yeah, so what happened was

is that it was originally a drug for diabetics because it helps manage which by the way, don't most fat loss drugs and that where it gets its popularity first. A lot of them because when you can when you help, I'm gonna go loosely here, when you help mitochondrial function, when you help the body utilize glucose, better stabilized insulin, become more sensitive. It tends to help.

Yeah, it tends to help. So, somaglutide was used for that, and it's actually relatively effective for that, but one of the other effects of somaglutide is appetite suppression. This is where I believe most of its weight loss effects come from because you can control all those things, but if you're still eating too much,

it's gonna be hard or you're not gonna lose weight, right? So what they found in the studies were people lost weight, like consistently 10%, 5% body weight, they would lose it every single time. So that news came out and so it started to get prescribed off label for weight loss. And once that news came out and so it started to get prescribed off label for weight loss. And once that hit the mainstream, forget it. All bets are off because there's a lot of people that want to lose weight and just want to take something. So here's a

controversy. On one side, you have it works. Medical community. It definitely works. And it's true. It does work. On the other side, you have the purists, which are like, look, you got to figure out how to eat right, you got to exercise, you got to do all this other stuff. Trying to fix your problems with the medication is not the right way to do it. It's not a root of it, yeah. The truth is, then there's us.

Yeah, there's some somewhere in the middle. That's right, like they're both right, okay? They're both right. I don't know why you have to pick one or the other unless there was like a terrible side effect or whatever, but this is proving to be a very safe medication. I think if you're struggling and you go, and you, because I think if you just take something

and don't address all the root issues, yeah, you're setting yourself up for failure. But if you're like, I'm gonna look at my diet, I'm gonna try and develop a better relationship with food, I'm gonna exercise, I'm gonna do the right, appropriate levels of exercise, and I'm gonna utilize this medication, this peptide, to help me along the way. I think that's a very good strategy. I think that's a great strategy.

Yeah, no, I think as long as you understand that the desired outcome is that I don't need to depend on this at one point. So I don't think either, I don't think either camp is more right or more wrong than the other, but it's like we always do. We want to like identify with one way and it's like, well, it's a little more nuanced than that. I see some value in it, but then I also understand that, it could be potentially a band-aid for a bunch of people or what people think, like with supplements, they just reach for the latest pill

that's gonna help them in fat loss and we know how that works. Even if it's expensive, too. It's an expensive product. But it's, now here. It's an expensive product. But it's, now here's the controversy. On one side, you have them saying, all these people wanting to lose weight are making it,

creating so much demand, there's a shortage of it, not diabetics can't get it. So I get that. I see. I get that, but on the flip side, the way markets work, if we create enough demand, you're going to get more, more supply, better versions of these types of peptides that are even more effective.

Overall, it's going to be better for everybody. Anytime there's a high demand, the market meets it and you get better pro. What I find confusing is you've got the Semiclutide, you've got the ozampic, you've got what you've not see, you've talked about the other. Totally different. They're all different. No, so ozamp the is the brand name of Some of the tie. Okay, so I can prop an Advil. So that's the same thing. Yeah, same thing. Okay, but it's a GLP1

inhibitor dog. I think it's called that's a class of drugs. There's a there's different Pep ties now you say it's a class of drugs, but it's not really a drug No, sorry. Yeah, it's a peptide. Yeah, it's not a drug. So which by the way, I think there needs to be clarity around that because the camp that's the purist that are trying to shit on it is like, oh, you don't need to take drugs. This is another drug and it's like, well, it's kind of amino acids. It's not really like shooting up a drug. No, we did the episode. We did what Dr. Seeds, he broke it down, but peptides basically were identifying signaling

molecules that already exist in the body. So the body recognizes them, other than different than a drug where we're creating a new chemical and we're forcing the body to do particular actions. This we're working with how the body already signals itself. So peptides are a totally different class, tend to have less side effects, tend to be safer, tend to have better effects over time, you know, type of deal. But there's, there's, this is a category. I think they're called GLP1 inhibitors, is that it?

They, it's, boy, GLP1 receptor agonist. Agonist, sorry, GLP1 receptor agonist. So there's other peptides in this category where they kind of tweak them a little bit to make them, you know, better or worse, whatever. So, and then there was controversy that some of the studies showed muscle loss. Now, this is a muscle-sparing peptide, but because it suppresses appetite, you eat too little, you lose muscle. You grow so you under consume calories and you're protein.

And you also put it in your protein, and then of course, that's nothing to do with the drug, is everything to do with your food intake. That's right. So, like anything, it's not a miracle. If you cut your appetite and you don't lift weights and you don't monitor and make sure you eat enough protein, yeah, you'll lose weight, you'll also lose muscle. So if you do something like this, make sure you eat adequate protein, make sure you don't eat too little calories and lift weights.

It's always funny to be how these things get so much traction and like buzz around them. If you were to go back, tell me where you're at with this, if you were to go back and look at it like a pie chart of what percentage of this, how much will it influence or impact your fat loss? 10%, which is huge compared to any other thing that's ever been out there. But it's still 10%, 90% is still everything else. So that's what's so funny to me.

It's like, I mean, you're right, 10% is big. In comparison, yeah, I was wondering if there's anything else with one other pill or something else out there. So it's like, good touch. So that's why it's getting all this news. Like, oh, it is five times more effective than the bullshit that is not effective.

It's really just an app of a person. It's like five times one, which is five. That's the main effect I think Justin is that it's, that's the main reason why people losing weight It's not like a magic fat burning It it it does improve insulin sensitivity. It does work through processes that help the body Managed glucose just up regulates like kind of the natural process. Yes. So there's that But I think the main reason why people lose weight on it is it just makes them eat less which is always what a boils down Yeah, it's like thermogenic something more effective a shock color The main reason why people lose weight on it is it just makes them eat less, which is always what a boils down to you.

It's like thermogenic stuff. You know, be more effective. A shock collar. Oh my God. Do you have any time you eat something bad? Wasn't there some gum that makes things terrible? I can't guarantee that it would be far more. There was, there was some gum that made everything tasty.

No, they came after us like four or five years ago. I thought it was actually good. I was like, I thought it was. Eat the gum and then taste. It made the logic taste. It made like sugar. It was a comfortable that. It was designed to I thought I eat the gum and then it made like sugar. It was comfortable that it was designed to if you you chewed the gum, I forgot what was in the gum, but then you would eat anything that had sugar and it would like whatever

did it with that sugar and it would just make you want to throw up. It was nasty. Yeah. You know, it reminds me of all these associations with it. Yeah. It's not a smart. You know what that reminds me of? Do you guys ever do this when you were kids, you brush your teeth and go out and have breakfast

with orange juice. Oh, orange juice and toothpaste has to be like the worst combo ever. What happened in milk? Coffee with your teeth. Coffee's up there too. Good way to ruin your morning coffee is the brush of teeth right before.

Oh, does it really miss it? Oh, yeah. You brush your teeth and you have your cup of coffee. This doesn't. Oh, interesting. I don't know that. I don't drink coffee like you guys. All right, I got something that blew my mind.

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What? What? Yeah, you can hire a siops. Like legit, like agency, siop. I'll give you an example. Show that. One of the jobs that they actually did. Somebody hired them to mess with their competitor. Here's what they did. They sent a sex toy to the guy's house

so that the wife would open it and it came from a woman. They created a fake profile of this woman. You could look up, credit card, that was fake fake so you can literally connect it all to this fake woman they follow this guy around and they confirm this legal and confirmed that the guy slept in his office for the next two nights so like it worked his wife kicked him out of the house we totally messed up one example that's one example so if you could literally hire his company to sire how is that legal I don't know it's in his really company and you can hire them he talked about it you pay, you know what the cost is? One to $10 million.

Oh shit. One to $10 million. And they will do this. They'll have like special... I'll do it if they have that. Spare. I'll start on my business right now. That's a lot of money, bro.

It is. The sin of fucking Dildo. But, I mean, that's it. If you're ruined somebody's life. Yes, that's sort of the, but these are like, action, these are like, ex like,

spies, ex like, military. Like, think about it. Like, imagine if this happened to you and you're, no, like, honey, I don't know what that is. And she's like,

oh, let's look it up. And there's a profile. And then she goes it up. Oh, there's DMs going back and forth between you guys. Like, they could create all the evidence. Wow. And then you can't, you look like an asshole.

That's what they do. Isn't that funny? And then people still want to pin just conspiracy theory to like, what's happening? Like, you say, sia up, and then you immediately put a tinfoil hat on you. And you're like, this is for hire, bro. For consumers.

Dude, how scary is that, right? That's insane. Is that the scariest thing ever in your life? Yeah. So literally, if you were a target, somebody could hire a company like this and ruin your entire life, and you wouldn't know what's going on.

Dude, you have no idea what's going on. Imagine how fucked up that is if you were like, you know, you're just a good CEO who's built a company. You're a good guy. Yeah, yeah. And then up and coming company. You know what would run through my mind?

First of all, I'd be like, what's going on? You know, no, honey, this is like, and then I would think that I'd lose my mind. Is there like, do I have an alternate personality? Like what's, honey, this is like, and then I would think, did I lose my mind? Is it like, did I, that's, do I have an alternate personality? Like, what's happening? Like, this is crazy.

That's wild. Yeah. So, you can literally hire them to, I mean, the applications are just, and this is something like this. Man, my brain's going to short circuit. Yeah, now what makes me, what's crazy about this is if this is a legal company, you know that there's been companies that have been around doing this for a long time. Exactly.

Well corporate espionage has been a thing for ever to begin with, right? Imagine that, like, you know, your big competitors, like just what, what was that one case? Remember where they were like messing, doing a bunch of blackmail to another company's CEO and like, like, they were sending all this crazy shit to his front door. Oh, I don't know.

Oh, I forget the article for that, but there was examples of that, and it was just dirty stuff, like to sabotage their competitor and get him in basically trouble with his home life as well. So it's terrible. There's been examples of that already at that level. Back in the day, when I would manage gyms

and at one point I owned, I was like part owner. I was ruthless with my competitors. I never belied and never did something like this. But I was ruthless. At one point, I had this gym that I was part owner of and our main competitor, you're just sending people pigs heads. No, not like that.

Like some of the time. Like some Italian. Like a psychic. Like a psychic. Was there your training? What? A horse's head? Yeah, horse's head. Oh, watch Godfather. Yeah, that's an accident.

Yeah, that's a Freudian slip, or something. Yeah. So I was ruthless. So what I did was, is this gym was our competitor. So I knew our gym was much better. I knew what our margins were. I knew how much we could lose and afford to lose. So we had a pool, we had rock climbing, we had way better equipment.

They were just a gym. So I literally, I started out by sending staff there to buy membership to see who the best, most popular group X class instructors were. Then they told me who they were, then I approached them and offered them $10 more an hour to come work for me, knowing that they would bring half their members. This is what happens. Coaching. When you lose your group of experts, hold on. It gets, I get better. So I did that. I took two of their instructors and that right away took a bunch of people. Then I flared their parking lot and I said, bring your membership card in

and bring evidence of how much you're paying per month. We'll charge you $10 less a month that you can work out at our gym. Nothing to join. And I decimated to the point where I was in the front area, like, you know, working or whatever. The manager of the gym walked through the door with garbage bags. Like, I'm like, oh, we're gonna need to fight. And he dumped the flyers all over the floor, which of course I went right back and, oh my God. Yeah, ruthless.

But I never did anything like this later on. And now you can just steal somebody's horse and he lost his two kids in the divorce. I was a kid, it was like 20 years old, I was stupid. I know, I wouldn't ask why. No, there's a part of that's good business. I mean, honestly, to go poach an employee and pay the employee more money

because you see the value in what they bring, and that's your bad. That's your bad for not recognizing that those instructors have a cult-like following to them and should be well taken care of. They were well taken care of. They wouldn't, I mean, rationalize the two Adam.

I mean, that's, hey, that's the truth though. I mean, that's why it's so important to take care of your people's, because, and here's the thing too, take care of it doesn't always necessarily pay them more, right? Cause I understand what it's like to operate a business and you can't afford to pay maybe your instructor $10, $20 more now.

No, but you build loyalty on it. But you build loyalty. I mean, I had opportunities my entire career to go jump ship to competitors. And the reason why I never did was cause it was, it wasn't a significant increase enough for me to leave an environment that I already really liked. I loved my environment.

I liked who I worked for. I liked your place. And so my mind was like, you'd have to pay me two or three X for me to leave something like that. I wouldn't jump ship for $10 more at all. Now, if you jump ship for $10 more an hour, you're not. You're looking for a reason. That's right.

Yeah, you're quitting that place anyway. So, no, that's true. Dude, we have to talk about Genghis Khan. Last time we didn't talk about it, you had all these stats and facts to bring up. I've just been fascinated with the fact that, how much was it like? I'm gonna, I'll bring it up.

Okay, just please, please mention the stats and games. So, did you guys mind blowing? So, you guys know Genghis Khan, who he was, right? Conqueror at one point, I think his empire, I think was the largest in all history. If I'm not mistaken, maybe Doug can confirm that. Yeah.

They, you know, his numbers versus Will Chamberlain, let's lay down on that. Oh, you can talk about that. So we'll get there. But, you know, revolutionary war general, the way that they, you know, would wage war was very different from other people at the time.

It was very effective. They were fast. They, you know, expert arch, arch, you know, archery on horseback and they survived off of their horses. Milk, blood and meat. This is all they ate, by the way. So everybody else was eating rice and like, they just were coming in with, yeah, I was a thing. It was cheese and it was meat and and milk. Yeah, and they were significantly stronger than anybody else. It was the largest empire to ever exist, going from the entire Asian continent, from Pacific Ocean to modern day hungry.

I mean, huge. Huge. And this was like, it was from 1162 to 1227. So, interesting. Anyway, the other thing about gangus con is he impregnated a lot of people. A lot of people. Yeah, that's an understatement. Okay. Yeah. You know what they've they've done DNA tests. And according to estimates, these are like based off of DNA. Um, one in every 200 people on earth. One out of every 200, can trace their genetics to gangus con.

One Earth. That's crazy. So how many people did he get pregnant? What does that look like? Yeah. Does he like 10 people a day? Exactly. It has to be like a daily event.

And then like, where does he get this anger? Yeah. Like the guy is obviously satisfied. And he's going around and just converse to some sort of a massacus where that's like, get him right going killing and blood and war and then he wants to have sex right after Bro, he's just like oh Yeah, it's that's crazy So if you do like if you do like a 23 me will trace all the way back that far does it go that far back?

I don't know if 23 me will do it, but yeah I don't know if you guys done that I've been I did I did you don't But I have none of you guys done that. Have you ever had, I have you. I did. You don't remember? I'm a little weird about it. It doesn't say, it doesn't say, it doesn't say that. So how do we, how do they know that then? They have to, they specifically do tests for, you're right. I don't know Adam. Don't do this whole science is fake.

Here we go, Dice 3. When I blow up your shit like that, it's just like, this is scratch your head. You're like, it's for them. It's for them. Do I want to do the 23 in mean test? Or do I want to do the Gagas contest? You know what? I'll order both.

I'll just do both. You just brought up a brilliant business idea. What if they did genetics testing? They don't tell you like nationality race, whatever. They tell you famous people, you may be, yeah. You know what I mean? You may be connected to it. Yeah, that's it.

Yeah. Oh, it looks like you're really a bad idea. Like Jack the Ripper. They kept it in the kitchen making of 23 in me. Oh, yeah. Oh, do you guys have any? Because I know for me and my one claim is that, you know, I think it's like you're really bad. I do like the ripper. The Kevin, the Kevin Bacon of 23 of me. Yeah. He's like, oh, do you guys have any? Cause I know for me and my one claim is that, you know, tombstone.

Yeah. So tombstone pizza? No, just kidding. I ate a lot of those. You call it. You're like, no, exactly. You're talking about, no, it was the, the clanton gang. So I'm related to like the bad guys.

The red sash is dumb. The cowboy guys. The cowboy guys. Really? Of course you are. Yeah, they're like totally portrayed as these dumb assholes. You know, it's like dude. They were an organized gang.

Probably a good. But still like, you know, the sucks. That's hilarious. Yeah, I did. You guys have never done those 23 years before. No, I haven't. I did it. Doug was mad at me because I used my name.

He said you should put fake name. He thinks that they'll use your DNA to do the data. Well, they do. That's the worry, though. They'll sell it. If you use a fake name, and now anybody else going forward that's connected to you, they don't know.

They don't know who you are. Yeah. Why do you really want for everybody else there? Yeah, sure. Why would you want to use a fake name? I don't know, I just don't want my DNA out there. I don't know. You know how undercover tug is.

I'm super undercover. And by the way, gang has is con possibly had thousands of children He has like his official children like four children, but I mean like his own he spread his seat right and wide So he shared his DNA. Doug see I mean there's people who have had a lot of kids. There's one guy had eight hundred and eighty eight children Who's that his name is is male even sheriff? Another guy named Bertold Weisner had six hundred children And anybody over here. Yeah, no, nobody's gonna break those numbers

Augustus second the strong had between 365 the strong eighty, like one a day. The strong. We didn't create your odds, make sure one of your kids turns out to be a stud. Just have a bunch of them. Now here's a deal, there's a big difference between having kids and raising kids. No way that it raised all its kids. Oh, they didn't raise it.

I have four kids. I'm almost dead, right? No way. I could have... I'm immediately killed. 100 kids. I would kill myself. Just the stress of waking up.

Yeah. No way. That's crazy. So we had how many thousands it says possibly thousands. Oh my god Yeah, so you have to first off That's a lot of sex because you're not getting every woman pregnant every time you have sex with her Well, maybe he is You know Abulating and bat 1000. I know, I just got it. Number two, he has to have like some potent,

like he has to have real high amounts of sperm. Yeah. Because that's, that's, that's a lot of cheese. That's a lot of cheese. What was the article that Jackie sent about the cheese? That's the brought it up. Oh, what was that?

It was, I don't even read that. I don't even remember. What was Justin? I know, I read it. And the amount of cheese. I want you dude, Star Wars cheese. It's Justin. I know, I read it. And then I was like, I want you dude, Star Wars cheese. I expect you to know everything about those two things. It was something about like how they aged the cheese.

I have no idea. I get sent like cheese articles every day. Like he does. Just literally about like the health benefits or the negative or that it's like heroin. You know, like they associate like the addictive qualities. You know what's funny? I gotta be honest with this podcast right now.

We, Justin likes cheese like a normal person. I know. He doesn't really have that. I'm not that obsessed. We made up. We really pushed the obsession. I disagree with that. The cheese drawer at the house.

That's right. Definitely. Yeah, but you go back and it's still in there. There is ain't like, eat the whole thing. There's a one in there's a one in three Chants that at all times you could check his pockets and he That's not a bro. There's been many times we're like going over there. I'll tell you where I see just to do this And it's cheese bro my dad. He's the hide it from me, dude. So that was part of it, right? I like cheese.

I like cheese. And I used to have string cheese I bring to school like every day and everybody would try and steal it for some reason. Like it was more of a commodity than any kind of like treat or anything. I would always like, Oh, dude, where's your cheese?

Did you guys steal from me? So it's a childhood thing, then. You know what, you know when you play video games? Like hoard it. You know when you play video games? Like hoard it. You know when you play video games, when someone gets run over and like coins come out or whatever. Justin was over here running the day he fell down. She's came out with a lot of the play.

You guys see the lunchables and schools, they made like some partnership or what about that? Oh God, Jesus Christ. That's who we're partnering with. Yeah, lunchables are gonna provide healthy cafeterias. And by the way, I looked up, they're modifying their Lunchables to be healthier. So what do you guys think?

What does that look like? More grains, more plant-based. Plant-based, more processed. So you do like, thank me in there? I don't know, I hope not. We took out the turkey. Yeah, we took out the whole food. I know, but I mean, this is the look, here's a deal. It's a freaking racket, dude. We took out the turkey. We took out the whole food.

I know. I mean, look, here's a deal. It's a freaking racket, dude. It's a racket in these companies are owned by these large corporations that have massive, massive influence over our policy. So when you're looking at a school policy, which is like a monopoly, right?

So they make a decision. They're going to purchase millions of dollars with the stuff. Lobby's come in, and it like a monopoly, right? So they make a decision. It's like, they're gonna purchase millions of dollars with the stuff. Lobbies come in and it's the biggest smartest company that's gonna come in and get that deal. Now, to be fair, the big companies have the ability to distribute and produce. So I get that part. But.

Yeah, they can scale and isn't it? But do you think that probably a soul's? A soul's, a soul's, a soul anybody else who got the billion dollar contraintment. That's what I'm saying. Well, you asked the small startup to try to get, if we infused a billion dollars into your company, you think maybe you could get these out to all these ghouls? And you know what, you know what, bro, a, you're probably right. I bet you, I bet you, I don't even know this, but I bet you they're spending twice as

much on a lunchable, you get the, of course, of course. Come on. Like each child, $50 for a lurchable. You know, it's like, yeah, it's just real nice. Oh God, that's insane. Doug, you really play celery's making you fat in the notes. You thought I was serious. I thought you were serious.

No, I was just kidding. We were talking about titles or things like that. I was actually curious about that angle. I was so excited. I was like, celery's not making you fat. All right, well, this one's not fake. Justin brought this one up. It was the Venezuelan poodle moth.

Yeah. What is that? Okay, so I was going down this rabbit hole, and I was looking at just weird animals, because I guess I have some weird, that we put in the Google. Yeah, weird animals. Somebody asked me what my spirit animal was,

and I was like trying to be cheeky and find like a really like like undiscovered weird animal and so I found like a blob fish. I've ever seen a blob fish. Yeah, my daughter's in fatuate with them. They're weird. That's the one where someone asked you yesterday about your spirit animal posted it. It looks like that.

Yeah, it's like an old man with like big lips. It looks like almost. But anyway, so there was the Venezuelan poodle moth. And it has like these, it actually looks like it has fur like a poodle and it's like big. And I was just, oh my God, imagine. Holy shit, that's huge. That thing just flying on you.

I would freak the hell out. Looks like it alien. That's a big ass moth. Where are the, where are those? Just to say, I would guess Venezuela. Oh, Adam. Sorry, I didn't, I didn't. I shouldn't have helped him that looks that look freaky. You know what that looks almost like? What's that movie? It was a Disney movie based that Hawaii with the alien. Oh, yeah, yeah.

It looks like Lilo and Stitch. It kind of looks like Stitch without the wings. Yeah. Doesn't it? It does. There was another color. It looks like a little bit more like a little bit more. It's like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little

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It kinda looks like Stitch without the wings. Yeah. Doesn't it? It does. There was another cool one. I think it was called like a panda ant. I think, but it- What do they eat?

It looks like a panda, but basically it's a wasp that doesn't have wings. And it's, yeah, it's just- Hold on, what do moths normally? Don't eat clothes? They will eat your clothes. Yeah. Some of them will, anyway. And it's yeah, it's just hold on what what do moths normally don't eat clothes? They will I mean yeah some of them well anyway, so that thing's so big if you you don't want to kill it right? It's kind of too big. I don't know. I said just zoomed in so it's actually really no Would you see the person's hand no no scroll down? You have a little tiny hand. We have one is a little pet. I don't care. How small your hands are it's a big ass moth

No, you're right. That's looks like a dog with wings. It's so weird. Yeah, that would freak me out a little bit. Yeah. That's kind of cute though, a little bit too, right? Yeah, it's a little cute. What do they eat? Can you find out what they are? For me?

Well, I don't know what they eat. I'm just always like fascinated. There's these animals out there. I've never even seen or heard of or in, you're just like, Andrew, do you find out their food? This website's saying it's plants, but they're not sure it's plants. What's the question mark? What's plants, but they're not sure it's plants. With a question mark.

What's that? That's weird. Sometimes it's kippled. They're guessing plants. Yeah. Cool, maybe it needs to be. Human flesh. Yeah, did you, out of number,

I was listening to, but there was a podcast where someone was trying to describe the Amazon jungle. And they said that it's so loud. The insects are so loud, they said, think of the loudest street in Manhattan, and it's louder than that. Well, isn't it, is it the Amazon? Is it the Amazon?

It's all the bugs. Isn't the Amazon jungle, I think it's the Amazon jungle. It has more species in there, and then the entire world in that concentrate. Oh, the variety. Yeah. We've only discovered, I remember the number, as well as the small number,

we only are aware of and have discovered a fraction of the life of the plants and the animals. Well, I know, I think I brought that up before where I think that every day we find like seven or something like that, like new. That's wild. Which is also kind of weird to me when we like get like real crazy about something going extinct, like that like a ball. I can wear this a lot more of the things.

Well, you know, undiscovered species. I know there's a people that freak out when that blasts up. Yeah, man, the gas car is a good thing. Okay, so today at least 40,000 plant species, 427 mammals, 1300 birds, 378 reptiles, and more than 400 amphibians and around 3,000 freshwater fishes have been found in the Amazon so far. But that's not even close to, I guess all. Yeah, super dense with life.

Yeah, that's wild. How do you get to this? Take, walk me through this. You're on your phone. It's like 8 o'clock and you're high. Are you high? Is that what causes us? You're not even high.

You're sober. I'm just curious. Okay, you're sober and you're just like, you know what? I'm going to look up. My brain's different than you're, obviously. That's why I'm trying to get my brain around it. Yeah, it works here. Yeah, you have a weird brain.

Business and then like studies and I'm, yeah, I'm not there. I do weird, yeah, but I look at weird stuff too. I just don't share it with you guys. So, Venezuela, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

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And in 2017, they tracked it and it did certain. It's like over 20, average person, over 24 pounds because, well the side part was hard to come by. Well, that's a supply chain. That's an average because like, people that are probably super poor freaking lost all kinds of weight.

So like, over 90% of the people there live in poverty because of it. Isn't that crazy? It's so sad. If you think about it, it was a comedian that did a whole bit about this, about how people make fun of Americans because we're fat and he goes, yeah, we are. He's like, think about it. We have so much food, we die from it. I was like, yeah, that's a good point.

We've done such a good funded. Yeah, we've done such a good job of solving hunger. We went the opposite direction. But crazy, crazy sad to think about. The average person lost 24 pounds because they didn't have access to food. Yeah. Justin, tell me your son's lucky number thing. I wanna hear that. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

So basically, he came up with this formula. And I don't know if like he thought of, I think he thought of it himself, but he thought that like everybody used it. And it was like, you're lucky numbers. So he was trying to come up with, you're lucky number is basically what you can count to without losing your breath. So you keep counting until you have to take a breath and then that's your lucky number that you roll with. And what was yours? Did you get yours? I was

like 63 or something. Wow. That's not bad. Oh, but you're counting fast though. Yeah, it's fast. Oh, well, two to the rest of the 17 and 19 like that. Yeah. Oh, okay. Who could hold the breath the longest in here, by the way? Do you think you're a good swimmer? Do you think you could beat me?

Yeah, I do. Really? Yeah, I'm pretty confident in that. I can hold my breath a long time. When I was a kid, we used to see how many times back and forth on the pool that we could go. And every summer, that was the thing. I can now get up to two, then I can get up to three two then I can get up to three then I know you swim fast.

That's for sure. I've seen this. I don't know what the last time we told this story. We went to we were at a pool. I know why we're at a pool. Why were we at a pool? We were helping that club one with there. There was some clubs for clubs for kick off of a gym. So we go to this pool and we're all hanging out. And this is when you were like peak body competitors, like 240. Yeah, big like big, you know, not like an ideal swimming body. You're like a racist dog. Probably the worst swimming body you could have. And there were these two dudes there

that were like D1 boys. I didn't know that though first. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I didn't know that. So there's these two dudes there that tall guys, they were tall like you. And they want to race in the pool or something like that. And Adam's like, I'll jump in and race you guys.

And you, I mean, they beat you, but not by much. Yeah, it was close. It was close. It was me, Craig, and then the two guys. Yeah, Craig was pretty much just. You guys laughed. I knew better, dude. I sink.

Not a swimmer. Yeah, I'm, I forget it. I'll panic. So, you did it. You got so, you, I mean, you got close to them. Yeah. And they come out of the water and they're like, Oh, man, like, you did really good.

Like, where did you swim? And you're like, oh man, you did really good. Where did you swim? You're like, I didn't. There were D1 swimmer. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know going in it. I would, remember, we had been drinking and I was talking. I was talking shit amongst you guys

and talking shit to Craig and stuff like that. And then there was two guys that were like at the cabana next over that were like getting in and like they were calling their buddies out racing. I'm like, hey, I'll race and craze like, well, let's go and then we did it all formally. Then and I told you guys, like, I've never been beaten a pool. I hit that up in that point.

I hadn't been beaten a pool. I'm like, everybody, I've like right now, I've never raced legitimately. Yeah, you weren't, yeah. So I never were in a race team. Yeah, yeah. So I get beat and I'm like, oh, fuck, right. So much for that.

How sad does that make you that you totally mistrust like? I'm calling it makes me mad at my parents. You didn't even have that flip. You know, I'm gonna be more mad at my parents. You couldn't, you didn't have a flip. That's why you lost. You lost the flip, like, yeah. Oh my the way, that's when they got you, you know, right?

Yeah, yeah, you were neck and neck. Yeah, to the, to the, you just don't know how to do the, no, I have a terrible technique, especially when I was all big and bulky. You do. You so broke, do you ever think about this thing? I do. I do, I do about all the time.

That I've been a famous athlete. You just played the wrong sport. No, I absolutely think that I messed up by not doing that. I mean, we know so much more today like about body types for sports and things like that, that like I for sure, and I'm sure you guys even look, at least I do. I look at my kid and I'm like, I'm looking already like how he's shaping up and I'm sure you guys even look, at least I do. I look at my kid and I'm like, I'm looking already like how he's shaping up

and I'm sure that when he starts to develop that I will encourage him towards a sport that is like his makes sense for his body type. I think that's how it happens as a kid too. Like sometimes you just get lucky, you fall into the sport that you probably were built for and then you naturally, I think every kid who wins at something

ends up liking that. Yeah, I think that's kind of how it happens, right? When you're kid who wins at something ends up liking that. Yeah, I think that's kind of how it happens. When you're like, good at something. Yeah, you're like, you're six years old. You all go down to the park, you know what I'm saying? Like, nobody has real experience. You guys just say, let's play basketball. And also, like, you're hell of good.

It's like, now you fall. I like this. Yeah, I like this. You like it because you were good at it naturally. And then you develop that over time. You know, it's crazy about that besides the fact that you totally could have been a professional athlete or one of the best in the world. Unfortunately, you missed your calling.

I'm not just sad about it, because here we are. You know, he would have never done this with us, Justin. But here's the crazy thing about this is they're now showing, they're now showing in studies clearly that young kids do better at a specific sport when they play at a lot of different sports when they're young. So the old wisdom was, if you want your kid to be a great soccer player, you have them play soccer when

they're young, focus on soccer, that's all they play all the way up until they get into college. You specialize all early. What they're showing now is the kid that plays soccer, baseball, basketball, swimming, track, as a little kid, and then when they get up into high school-ish, then they start to specialize. They do better at their sport because they did so many different sports. Well, remember, because all the variables, and that's the thing,

is you don't get exposed to all these other variables of movement when you're just specializing that early, and plus the overuse injury, for specific sports, especially baseball, something like that, we get into early and we, you know, I mean, you only have so many throws, especially if you're a pitcher. So, yeah, yeah, that's why, I mean,

my kids are in gymnastics, like they're gonna go into something else. The greatest foundation, by the way. Yeah, I agree. It's just like, it's purely just focus on proprioception and control and body awareness. And then they can specialize later. That's it.

If you can take a, I can't help, I love watching your boys already the way they can control their body and space already. Was Courtney and athlete? You know, she's funny because she was an athlete and she's got like really, she looks like Kills. She was like into volleyball and all that, but like the competitiveness was like, she just quit, you know, like, because she didn't like any of the politics stuff

and she was like, yeah, whatever, I'm out. Like, wasn't even like, didn't even give it a thought. So she just looks at it different than I do. Are your wives competitive? Are you, are they competitive? Jessica's not, she's competitive, very with herself, but not with other people, but with herself, she's very competitive.

So she would, she would have been good for individual type sports. But she did, like, this, what you call it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Is Courtney competitive at all? Or is it just you guys? Yeah, no, like, I'm definitely very much more competitive than she is, but she's definitely athletically gifted.

That thing that's what's frustrating for me. Cause I'm always trying to get her to do something like active and like we're actually trying to find something together like maybe even tennis or something. So it's like we can have something active to do together. And like, and so like I'm like kind of pulling her in that direction, but she's just not necessarily like motivated.

Like that. But your kids got the, I think I asked you, because your kids obviously got the sports gene. Yeah, it's there. Yeah, it's really going to be interesting to watch Max, because he's not, he doesn't seem to be that way right now. I mean, obviously he's only four years old or going on four years old, because Trina is extremely competitive and so am I. So like we're both like super, super competitive. So to think that maybe he doesn't get that would be really weird, but he doesn't seem like it right now. He's got a lot of time,

dude. Right. I mean, it's still really early right now. We haven't got any interest right now, but I mean, I can't help but you watch all these documentaries on these super athletes. Yeah, but that's the super alley. Yeah, that's the thing. I know, bro. That's why it's like the one person.

I do what you do. I'm so weird like this too. I leave trails of the golf club like laying in the like in there just Yes, I do What the football in this in his game play so basketball hoop on his way Plants some some some some Blimino me like always sleeping always dude. You leave basketball running on the TV all time like I mean He's like at least like aware of it like it's really cute like so we last night

We are hanging out before bath time and stuff like that and the wires were playing. So I was like all in the game and he wanted me to take a bath with him and I'm like, no, daddy's watching the game. Oh, put it in the TV in the bath and so he gets Katrina to put the TV in there to get me to come up there and then puts the bath ball game up.

Oh for you. Yeah, he's smart. Yeah, he's smart of shit. No, he's definitely a, he understands it. Yeah, no, he's definitely smart. Yeah, my, my daughter, well, because I have the two younger ones, so I don't know yet, but my older daughter is the,

she's the ambitious one. She's like ultra super. Yeah. To the point where I, I, I am very careful with like, like I've told you guys, like they'll have a contest at school. They just won contest for who, how far they could get. It was like this math program. The kid that got the furthest, one,

I don't remember, it was like sticker. I was, I knew it wasn't a big deal. It was like some prize. I pick her up from school, she's like, go straight home. I'm like, what, we gotta stop by the grocery. No, go straight home. I gotta win this thing. We go home and she goes nuts.

It's awesome. The next day, I'm like, did you win? She's like, yeah, I got first place. I'm like, how far did you get? She's like, I got to like, I don't remember what I was like. Page 63. So I'm like, what would second place? 12, I'm like, how far did you get? I got to like, I don't remember what I was like, page 63. So I'm like, what would second place? 12, I'm like, honey.

You don't have to win my map. I would love that. I would love that. You couldn't have got 80? No, no, no, no, no. She'll go too hard, dude. She'll stress herself out. I got to pull her back, you know?

Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I won't do it. So I brought that up with Ethan when we were first kind of playing soccer and all that and like he was like going through it He was the kid that was like out there, you know watching butterflies and and was grabbing grass and like throwing back in the middle of the game I was losing my mind And I was like this is not what I was anticipating like it's not the vision. I was Seeing you know, you know looking out of course exactly. So that's what I was anticipating. Like it's not the vision I was seeing, you know,

my look at now, though. Exactly. So that's what I'm trying to give you a little help. No, you are giving me a look. Cause I totally picked your Macs like that. Like cause we're gonna put them in probably like soccer or something this summer or whatever. And I'm like, dude, I know it's an ad.

I'm coming in there. He's gonna be like playing like Pokemon games with his hands. You know, you wanted to fight with sticks. You know, he's probably't want to hug the kids and make friends with them and stuff like that. You know what, the thing, when you love your kids so much, then you start to see their proclivities

and you can't help but love what they do. Yeah, I love the quirky stuff for sure. Yeah, so it's like my old Steve, he got into robotics, I don't give a shit about it. I'm sitting there in these robotics tournaments and all these tech dads, like they're super smart, like, and I'm like, nah, I don't give a shit about it. I'm sitting there and these robotics tournaments and all these tech dads, they're super smart, and I'm like, nah, I don't know any of this stuff,

but I'm totally got into it, because this is my kid. So we got a shout out, Justin, you mentioned somebody that you were working on. It sounds like a great page. Oh yeah, those great dad jokes. So there's tweets and also posts them on Instagram and they're just always hilarious and fire. So dad says jokes. And they're all a bunch of jokes. They're hilarious. Speaking of dad stuff

I want to ask you this Justin you were the guy that skipped breakfast every single day now you eat it consistently. Yeah, what have you noticed? What are you eating? What's going on? Yeah, so I try I mean if I can get up early enough like do some scrambled eggs and trying like you know go in that direction But for the most part like I've been the most consistent with taking protein shake. And so I'll do like, I'll do the legion way protein. I'll do some milk in there and just a little bit of peanut butter, which, you know, one time I did a video and I had like a huge amount. That was a lot of calories, but an effelt it.

But no, it's great about the way protein though that Legion has. It's the only one that doesn't destroy my stomach and make me feel that, like, rumblings and gastrointestinal kind of pressure the rest of the day. So why is that so, okay? So I agree, okay. So I...

So both you guys feel that same way about the legion? I take it every other way. Just kind of, it upsets. It's not the way them. It's not the way. No, no, no, it's not the way. It's not the way. I It's not the way. No, no, no, no, it's not the way. It's not the way. I think it's the sweetener.

Yeah, so Legion doesn't use artificial sweeteners. They're sweetener. There's a sweetened naturally with, I think, Stavia, if I'm not mistaken. Stavia or Monk, whatever. Yeah, so you know that aspartane sucralose, one of the more common complaints that people have about those is it messes up their gut.

So I'm one of those people. I could do some sucalose, I could do some aspartane, but if I push it, it messes me up. And there are studies that suggest that they do have an influence on the microbiome of the gut. So you may be sensitive to those sweeteners. So because it's sweetened naturally, that's got to be what it is because it's way. Interesting. I mean, it's quality way. Yeah. So know, so it's it's high quality, but you've had other way that messes you up. Yeah. This one doesn't.

What flavor we want. So I do the chocolate peanut butter. I like vanilla. I like vanilla because then I can then I can mix it with how almost anything. You put berries in yours. I do. Well, it depends. So the last one I just did, which was just two days ago, I did peanut butter and a banana inside it, which is one of my favorite. And then if I do fruit, I'll do like blue. I like a banana blueberry spinach. If you've never had that, that's a bomb mix.

So take a spinach. Yes, take two cups of raw spinach. Well, the two cups of raw spinach, take a cup to a cup. Well, this is not for the flavor, it's for the fiber and also. Yeah, but it tastes bomb. It actually tastes, it's a great way. So yeah, I mean, we've talked about this before, like, when I, one of the things, when I meal prep,

I don't prep a lot of veggies. Cause veggies just, when you let veggies sit in a tub of food for fucking three days. So, yeah, just grow. So, the only veggies I get consistently is the dinner that we make at the night, at nine time, the Katrina makes, and I'm getting in there,

or if I like blended in my shakes, or I do green juice for more GANIFI. So I try to be aware of that when I'm not getting enough, vegetables in my diet, and that's when I'll make that decision to make that smoothie, but it tastes, blueberries, banana, and spinach, with a vanilla way goes incredible. It's a great taste. Okay. I'll try that. I you know what I used to make that was really gross. That was a shake.

You guys all know. I used to blend chicken chicken. I remember trying that. I used to blend chicken and water. I was a insecure kid. I just wanted to build it. I don't care. By all means. I did that first because I did the same thing when I was like in my late teens I remember to bulk us like hey got to get more and I was boiled chicken breast I would boil I think I put egg raw eggs in there too and everything I would do I did eggs just chicken breast won't be sludge that's just like you just you just go you don't even You don't even try you're just go just open your throat and make it go down and don't taste it it was chicken eggs milk And you ready for this this gets it. It was chicken, eggs, milk, and you're ready for this? This gets worse.

It's gonna be real bad. Sometimes tuna. No. No. You know the irony of that is, I'm trying to face funny. Nobody's more funny. We're like, we're like, ugh, like this,

you know, extra 500 calories of like stuff in there. Just one more. It's like, you know what I'm just taking two days off of the double days, seven days a week gym. What? At twice the results. I would have gave better recovery for my body. I wouldn't have had to drink that sludge. I just got it out better. I mean, come on.

I was just dysfunctional. That's all funny. Yeah, we know. Hey, real quick, do you want to go on vacation? Are you a fitness enthusiast? Check this out. My pump has a rental property in Park City, Utah, great place to go skiing, hiking, mountain bike riding, but also this property is outfitted with some of our best partners. So if you like to biohack,

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because I would say squatting and deadlifting, this is probably most important. Bracing and breathing is probably more important for those lifts than other lifts. Now, it's not that it's not important for the lift. I put overhead pressing as equally. Yeah, there you go. Things where you're really just. Yeah, we need to really stabilize your core. So the way I used to teach it as I would tell a client to breathe in, take a breath in. Now, it doesn't have to be a full breath. We can't hold any more air, but breathe in relatively fully. Hold your breath, brace your core while you're holding your breath, lift the weight and then bring it back down and then breathe out. Or, if this is too hard for you,

when you breathe in, brace, as you lift the weight, you slowly breathe the air out through the back of your throat. So it's like this. On the way up, so it's like this, brace, breathing out and yoga, they call it, I think a huge eye breast, I think is what they say. Then when you come down to the bottom,

you put the weight at the bottom, take a couple breaths and lift it. It's easier with a deadlift because you have that pause on the floor. And what that does is stabilizes the core. It helps brace the core. And that breathing in creates internal stability that protects things that you're spying.

So I think what I would add to that, and I'm curious if you guys have experienced this is my own personal experience with getting better at the deadlift. A big part of the bracing and set up and keeping brace through the movement for me was actually learning to take all the slack out right slack out of the bar slack out of my arms slack out of my hamstrings like learning to get bar or slack out of my arms. I'm tired of everything. Slack out of my hamstrings, like learning to get all the slack out, so everything was rigid and tight. And then the last thing I had to get rigid and tight

was to brace my core. So I feel like if you tell someone to brace your core and squeeze your abs or like pretend like you're gonna fart, like they get that kind of, I mean, it's a funny cue to tell somebody, but you tell them that cue and they try and do it and they feel. I'm a huge fan. That's a good one. Yeah.

You never use that? No. Really? You eventually told your client. Yeah. No, I will always like, I'm totally punch him in like how they would brace, but yeah, I use the cues like that. But I think my point I'm making though is if, even if you understand how to kind of

tighten your core in your abs a little bit and they're slack in the bar, slack in your arms, like everything's going to go. Then like, then what happens is you start to, that little bit of slack comes out and then you form. You forget about the core being tight and now you relax. So once I got to a place where I could learn to take the slack out of the bar, learn to get my arms tight, get my hamstrings tight and are loaded already before I even go. Then the last cue was to tighten the core and then rip.

That made a big difference for me with with. Yeah, it's been, I was been a good amount of time, like getting the body full, fully tense like that, but like in an isometric position, first to get them to be able to calmly breathe through that. But also to some of those cues you mentioned, like, you know, breathe in in through the nose and then exhaling, and I would like pushing it through the teeth. And I don't like that was always just something that made sense to me, like as I'm exhaling out. So it's still keeping that tightness there. And you're not giving this like open, relaxing

kind of exhale. It's a very much of a tense exhale. You know what I like about this is that you find the importance of this in different practices that's best. That yes, I was just gonna say, so martial arts through the Ki, right? Yeah. And what they're doing with that is they teach you to breathe with the brace core, let out the air,

generate more power rather than like a floppy breath or just holding your breath, which actually takes away from your lips. So if you're doing like a single, then holding your breath is okay. But if you're in reps, you probably want to breathe out through the back of the throat. But back to what you said, Adam, when you grabbed the bar, and by the way, I was helping Max look at here with this. So he just started deadlifting. He's always had kind of a back that was a bit iffy. So he's doing a trap bar, and he's been sending me videos on his lifts.

And that's the number one thing I had to tell him. I said, hey, first off, pause at the floor, none of this up and down, and get tight before you lift the way. Otherwise, what it looked like is he gets ready and his elbows are bent, and then he comes up, and you get this like pop on the left. Yeah, and I love that,

it's been that extra bit to engage the lats, the lats, the band, yeah. Because then you get even more support that way as well. Now what's interesting about all the stuff that we're saying is it does two things simultaneously which is pretty awesome. One, you're stronger, you can lift more weight, two, it's safer. So you're actually stronger, you can lift more and you've reduced your risk of injury. And it's a great combination of things that you get from this.

Next question is from Dr. G. 12. How do you train around a sprained ankle? Only trained waist up sitting, or is it okay to do leg curl or leg extensions? I guess not training the okay leg only, so there is no imbalances going on. Okay, here's why I like this question. This is one of those things that if you had asked me this 15 years ago, maybe even 10 years ago, my answer would have been completely different.

And now we have data showing, and it makes sense. And it makes sense. And it makes sense. Well, now we have data that shows, and if you actually look at the data and then think to yourself, why this makes sense, it makes plenty of sense.

So first off, let me kind of explain the question. First off, the question is, I have a spray nankle, should I just train upper body? Or can I just train lower body by using leg curls leg extension, so I take the ankle out of it. And then the second part is, I should avoid working or strengthening my strong leg, right? Because otherwise, I'll create a large imbalance. Okay. So let's answer the first one. Number one, no, you can definitely do leg curls and leg extensions to continue to strengthen the quads and the hamstrings. Number one, no, you can definitely do leg curls and leg extensions to continue to strengthen the quads and the hamstrings plus.

Although most of the strength and muscle building effect is local, there's also this kind of systemic effect and the further away you get from the muscle that you train, the less this effect has on other muscles, but the closer muscles have a better effect. So believe it or not, working quads and hamps through leg extensions, leg curls will actually also help prevent atrophy in the calves. Okay. Now to the second part of the question, should I not exercise the strong leg in the past that we said, yeah, don't strengthen the strong leg, you'll create a larger imbalance.

Now we have studies that show that when you have a leg that is injured or an arm that's injured and you work on the opposite arm that's okay, you actually prevent atrophy to an extent. You have a muscle sparing effect on the side that is injured. That's the trippy part. That's the weird part. Evolutionarily, it makes sense that you get more atrophy if you did nothing than if you did something. So, I now tell people, go ahead and train the strong side and when you're, for you're

going to have an imbalance no matter what. When you, when that side is out of the cast or whatever, you're gonna have an imbalance. But you're probably gonna get out of the imbalance faster by strengthening the whole body, avoiding that side, then just avoiding everything or going from the top. Because you thought, like, I mean rationally, you thought like there'd be such an enormous discrepancy there because of, like, you'd be strengthening that one arm

like exclusively not knowing like and I didn't know that so I saw those studies well like it really do produce like muscular development and strength the other arm that you're not even using which is just trippy. It's weird but it makes sense. It makes sense. I think the only thing I'd add to this is to be to caution the person as as you come out of the ankles for you I think the mistake that I always made personally Because I've been injured a lot and then come back from that is Progressing so fast once I feel better, right? Like feeling like okay good my ankles better So now I'm doing the box jumps the lateral the lateral ice skaters to doing all this stuff like explosive right away

Instead of like taking baby steps because one of the things that was tough for me as a young athlete and like you're just so ready to go as soon as you feel better is wanting to jump back right where you kind of left off and doing the kind of tedious like you know stability training on the ankle a little bit and the rehab kind of work that like that all those little details make a huge difference in I think in the recovery process and not re-arrangeering yourself versus going right back into the same exact thing. You know what the thought process is? Because I think that's such a good point you made Adam,

or that you articulated, because I was the same way. I think everybody is. I think the thought process is, if they move forward faster, they'll progress faster. They'll get out of, they'll progress faster. They'll get out of, you know, they'll heal faster. That's not true. When you injure something and it's in a cast,

first of all, muscle memory is profoundly powerful and it's a real thing. And for anybody who's ever broken a leg or an arm, you take that cast off and you look at that leg or that arm, it looks like it's not yours anymore. The muscle's gone. But even if you don't work it out, you just start walking, you just start moving, the muscle comes back super fast.

So muscle memories are real thing. It was, it wasn't moving, you weren't doing anything with it. It doesn't take much to put the wheels in motion. And in fact, doing too much will actually slow down the process. So you're better off going slow. And then get you injured again. You know, we see this, it's so crazy how

the sport sciences evolved in just our lifetime alone get you injured again. You know, we see this, it's so crazy how science is a sport science is evolved in just our lifetime alone because I've been playing and then watching basketball most of my life. And we've really got it down to like that science now. Like you'll watch like a, and you always have like a person who doesn't know that doesn't understand this. They're like, why does a coach limit their minutes so much?

Like they're back, I would just watch them do a 360 dunk and they're playing fine. Yeah, he's fine. Like, why can't he play the game back? And like, and we've got it down like to the, this, like the math of like, okay, athlete recovered from an ankle sprain. We, we play them 21 minutes for the first game. We're an athlete that can only play 40 something minutes. We limited him to 50% of his, his volume. Then he gets to, you know, 75% of his volume and it's like we ease them back into that. I mean, we just went through that with Clay Thompson. Clay Thompson completely rehabbed for the warriors for an entire year.

He's back to playing practice. He's playing full games, but the coach wouldn't even allow him to play whenever the schedule was back to back games until the end of the season. Nice and monitor stress. And there's all kinds of like handy tools and things. Plus not to mention a lot of like the rehab

like that we've learned in terms of like blood flow restriction and like isometrics and like ways of therapy. Right, right, right, right. Right, right. We're like a lot of these new sort of techniques and modalities that I didn't know when I played sports. I wish I would have known, but like to be able to kind of take you back to full,

even better equipped going back in and stronger. You know what's so cool about what you guys are saying is that it wasn't that long ago, it was only a couple decades ago, where if an athlete had a major injury, everybody's like, he'll never be the same again. Yeah. And the biggest... It was, and it's because they didn't understand

what they understand now. Now you have athletes get injured, and rarely is it a death sentence. They just progress them slower, but then they eventually come back and they're doing good and it doesn't happen as they don't get re-injured. Whereas in the past, oh, his knee, there goes his knee again. Oh, it's he's going to hurt his knee. He's got a tendency to hurt him in that particular knee because they didn't understand this. Yeah, pretty well. Next question is from K Pickerel 393. How do I increase protein, but not fat? I have to, oh, sorry, I don't. Pretty well. Next question is from Kay Pickeroll, 393. How do I increase protein but not fat?

I have two. Oh, sorry, I don't. They're trying to hit their protein goals, but always exceed their fat goals. Sorry. I just have two thoughts around this right out the bat like that because this was actually a really common question. Remember clients that get, and I think this stems from the late 90s. I'm a fear of fat.

Yeah, the fear of fat still. And I'm guilty of this even as a trainer of coach, like prescribing chicken breasts, and tolopia. You know what I'm saying? It was like we were prescribing these pure protein meats that were super, because you only get one gram of fat for every, I think what is it, how many grams of protein

for a chicken breast? It's really low. Yeah, it's really, really low. And so you could easily do that through chicken breast, you could do that through white fishes. But the truth is what I found was, instead of being so hung up on the additional, say, 20 calories or 30 calories that you get

by having a higher fat, maybe food food like it's chicken thighs or salmon instead Was mitigated in the health benefits that you got from those foods the healthy fats that what that came with that protein Now do I think you should You added you stick a butter a bunch more oil maybe into the diet like that's not necessary I go like hyper fatty meats. Yeah, yeah, or like try tip, yeah, try tip. Look, that's an extreme example. But I'm telling you right now, if you're following your breakdown of like your macros

that you're trying to hit, and you need say 20 grams, let's say 25 or 30 more grams of protein in your diet, and you're like, man, but I don't have enough room for any fat. I need to find, so you just go have two scoops of way protein powder. You've been far better off having, you know,

six ounces of chicken thighs. Pointing 30 calories. And going 30 to 75 calories over your calorie intake, eating that whole real food. And the benefits that you get from those healthy fats. I agree with you. Yeah, because you could go chicken breast, you could go turkey breast, you could go flank steak,

these are all tilapia. But I agree with you Adam. I also think when you're looking at your macros, now you can go hyper fatty meat, so I get that, right? 80% ground beef or whatever, right? Yeah, I'm glad you pointed out. Saucid. Yeah, you sausage, you could go like really.

You got 20 grams of protein, you got 20 grams of fat, right? I get that, but you go relative, you know, you go with the other cuts, like, you know, chicken thighs are delicious. First of all, the enjoyment of eating chicken breasts versus the enjoyment of eating chicken thighs is night and day, and it's not that much fattier. It's not that much fattier.

So I used to tell clients, I would rather you cut your carbs a little bit so you could eat these protein sources that taste better. Otherwise, you're choking down, chicken breast. That's a nightmare. I would get clients would eat it with water because I had to like try to swallow it because it was so disgusting. You look at an adjusy one. It's always so dry. Yeah. Listen, if you go, this is what I finally figured out with my client, you go 100 to 200 calories

over your calorie target for the day and you do it through Healthy fats and proteins like through meat. It's not a big deal. You're fine. Oh, you're you're totally you know when it matters is like your pre-contest when you got a Cali single calorie. I tell you what bro, even then even I actually threw that out. Yeah, I did That's why I used to I used to mock all the all the bodybuilders I competed with that would like get their tolop you out. And I was still eating fucking rib eyes and still you have them. You guys are crazy. You really think 30 calories is the 30 calorie difference?

Is it gonna be a bit of a go-for-a-walk, if you really think it's heavy. Have your go-have your- It's standing. Yeah, exactly. Eat it standing or go-for-a- with 10 minute walk right afterwards and then enjoy that food. That, and to me, especially when you're talking to a client, right?

You're right to a competitor, okay, maybe that makes some sense when you're trying to cut every calorie you possibly can, but I didn't. I mean, I had my show, I never went to Lopia. I never went chicken breasts all the way up into stage. So I always- What was your state you red meat source preferably, preferably. Rib eyes, bison, veal, ground beef. What would you do for ground beef 90, 95%? Yeah, especially early on. I mean, again, you like, let's say I'm, I'm, I'm like four

weeks out from show. I'm, I'm eating rib eyes. Yeah. I'm eating, I'm eating ground beef with all the fat in it. Plus, I think, like I said, I think it's better to trade a little bit of carbs for that because. If you need to, right? If you absolutely need to, but what people need to understand is that you can literally every single day for a week go over by 200 calories on your diet within, you know, through whole foods.

And that is not gonna put a pound of fat on you. It won't, it just won't do that. And some of that we understand, like this is the problem too, with the whole, you know, the law, thermonambous conversation all the time where it's just like, it's just straight, it's, I can't figure this out.

I've never been able to figure out exactly what it is, but there's something different about eating whole natural foods that you're, whether that's your digestive system agreeing with it better or there's added benefits that are in the micronutrients that you're getting from that. The author of the dynamics is still real, but you're talking about, and the reason why it's weird, and the reason why you have people on the other side who make the argument that calories don't matter, which is also wrong is that the foods that you eat definitely affect the other side of the equation Which is how many calories you burn?

Yes, and I think eating whole natural foods leads to a Metabolism that tends to burn more so it's not that thermodynamics throughout the window That's physics that that's always gonna exist But I think and I've witnessed the same thing myself, Adam. I think it changes the calories outside of the equation. Right. So that's that's why I think that if you're like from an accuracy standpoint, if I'm taking a chicken, you know, chicken thighs or a cups of rice or sweet potato, and I'm putting it on my scale and weighing it. The accuracy of the calories on that is far greater than a protein bar, a protein shake, a package, lean cuisine meal, these things that give them 20%.

Yes, there's 20% wiggle room and you have to know that if it's a product that is being marketed as low calorie, low fat, They're going to go the other direction. It would be, it would be 19% inaccurate. It'd be smart, it's smart business. So you bet they're asked, they're going to go that direction. So you're probably already, if you're eating anything packaged or boxed or processed, you're already probably under, you're already underreporting by 19 to 20% every day anyways.

So instead I would tell a client like, you know what, eat your steak, eat your chicken. You better get your 10 grams of fat. Yeah, eat your extra 10 grams of fat or 100 calories and eat it through whole foods. You're gonna be okay. Next question is from Loki Ranzo. What do you hope mind pumps legacy will be?

Oh, what a great question. Would you like Genghis Khan? That's a good question. We better get started here. How about you, Jim? Oh, man. I'm ahead, but it's not enough for you. I think for me, what I would hope and dream for is that we have taught a generation of

people in the fitness space that you can be successful by selling the right ideas by having integrity. That's what I hope. I hope we could prove that the model doesn't have to be lie, compromise integrity, false promises, that that's the only way you could become successful. That I hope people look at us and go, hey, they did it the right way.

They didn't lie, they maintained their integrity. They told the people the truth. And look, they're successful too. So I'm gonna go that route as well because I feel like that'll have far reaching effects in our space. And I hope that that sets a standard to where the consumer then is looking for that as well

and starts to sniff out what the crap is. That would be my dream. Yeah, I wanted to just carry on behind that. Beyond the four of us assholes. I just hope that there's in 10 to 20 years, whatever it is, who knows that we can be removed from this conversation and the business itself continues on. The overall mission of adding so much incredible free content and value,

shifting the conversation in the fitness industry. I don't think that mission will ever really change. I think there will always be good information and bad information. I hope that we're a beacon of light in that space forever and beyond all of us. I mean, when we started this, even when you look at like everybody's Instagram handles, it's like that, it's Mind Pump Adam, it's Mind Pump Justin, it's like it's the brand first. And we've always said, every time we scale this thing and we add more things to it, part of the question that we always ask ourselves is, can we remove ourselves from that and will it continue on without us? And I think we've done a pretty good job so far of continuing to build and scale that way. And so I don't know

I think we're pretty close to a place where we could almost remove ourselves from the business and plug somebody, you know, plug three other dudes or chicks actually chicks would probably make the business explode three other dudes or chicks. Actually chicks would probably make the business explode. If we did that. So three good looking girls that were spitting the same game. I think we're gonna actually, we actually be famous by now if that was the case.

Oh, yeah. It's just gonna look like a touch of a... It's a fucking fact that I'm gonna come at me. Fuck you, I know. So yeah, that's mine. It carries on beyond us that we keep becoming. I mean, obviously I think all of us would say secretly a dream would be to see our kids.

But I mean, I know better than to, to, to wish too hard on that because I don't ever want to put too many eggs in that basket. I was, that, I mean, that's where my mind was going to. I'd love to see it impact, you know, even at our own, family level, like, you know, our own kids and whatnot. But I really, it's just like leaving that sort of lasting impact with people and to be able to reach out to communities that are non-fitness focused, right? I think that's the biggest one for me is really to just, if we can somehow cross over somehow crossover into, I guess, culturally where

it's a conversation that leads outside of fitness of like, there's other ways to look at this. It doesn't have to be so daunting. It doesn't have to be so rigid and intense and structured, and it's accessible. It's a lot more accessible just to your average person to find their way towards the right way to to approach and handle and better their health and feel like they're empowered in that process. I love that because I remember years ago I saw statistic

this is back when I was in the gym industry and they showed like the average member and What happens when they quit and if they join another gym and what the view was, and one of the things that blew my mind was that the gym business was, they were just trading members. There was a huge segment of the population that never would go to a gym

and never considered signing up for a gym. And then there was a segment of people that join, quit, go to another place, quit, go to another place. And I remember thinking, we're not reaching this huge percentage of the population. What are we doing wrong? And then I remember there were companies that come out that kind of tapped into that.

I remember in the late 90s or 2000s, there was curves, which exploded all of a sudden became the top franchise because they kind of tapped into that market. So I love what you said, Justin. I would love for this conversation franchise because they kind of tapped into that market. So I love what you said, Justin. I would love for this conversation to move outside of the fitness enthusiasts, the people who love that. Oh, I think we've already done that. I think that's actually a big part of the success of

the business is that we have been able to, I'm not saying that we have reached all those people by any means. In fact, we've probably reached a very small percentage, which is still a massive number. But I mean, that's what when we came into the space, the very obvious thing was that, oh wow, look at all the most popular, famous people in our space. The message that they're communicating is literally, they're attracting other fitness enthusiasts. And when you look at the general pop that are like hardcore and a fitness, like that

only represents like 5% of the population, you know, maybe. So you know, nobody was going after the 95% and so it was like, oh my god, like we could sit here and get into like, I don't want to like, I I'm not gonna fight over the people that want like Lane's content like Lane breaks down studies every day He's got a carbon app that is like for us. We like that shit. Yeah, I like you. I think that's cool for me And so with that, but none of my clients. I mean for all the years that we train clients I can't even think of one percent of them that that appeals to and so so I'm like, those are the people that were paying me, my entire career. So I'm gonna go create content that appeals to them,

that keeps them listening, that makes them share, that helps them out on their journey, because I think that's a much bigger piece of the pie. And so I think we were moving in that direction. Obviously we have a big uphill build. I'll add something. I'd like to inoculate the average consumer against fitness bullshit.

That's what I would like. I would like to get to the point where the average consumer can hear and smell the bullshit right away. When they see the ad, they see somebody say something, oh, it's garbage, this is crap. Because if we could do that, then the rest is I think gonna be easy. Because it's hard, it's hard. It is hard to sift through is crap. Because if we could do that, then the rest is I think gonna be easy. Because it's hard, it's hard.

It is hard to sift through the crap. It is really hard to decipher what is, there's so much conflicting information, so much politicized science, so much bias that, you know, when guy, when person says it's low-carb, this person said it's vegan, this person said it's weights, this person said it's yoga. These people say beast mode, this person says, it's fat shaming, it's vegan, this person said it's weights, this person said it's yoga. These people say beast mode, this person says it's fat shaming,

and he's like, ah, what do I, you know, where do I go? Where do I even go? What's the truth? So if we could just inoculate and make it bullshit, I think that would be amazing. What do you think, Doug? Yeah, so I have to agree with everything you're saying. I know Sal, you're also very passionate about children.

Oh, yeah. And I feel like, you know also very passionate about children. And I feel like, for us, if we could somehow, in some way, influence children, from the time they're going to school and to change their relationship with food and exercise. And I don't know what this looks like, but that's kind of a vision I have at some point, being able to tap into that and to be

able to make a difference from that level because I think what's happening with our challenges with obesity and so on really does start from that level. I think we're doing that the right direction right now also. I'm going to have to stop saying bad words on the podcast. No, I see. So I was just kidding. I got interviewed a couple of days ago and this conversation came up about like talking to your kids about nutrition.

And I gave the analogy of like everybody's had that friend or family or somebody that you know that's like a Bible thumper, they fucking are so annoying right? They grab that you know, just like telling you why their religion is so good. And it's like, that is not converting anybody by doing that. And that's the same thing with fitness and nutrition. The answer to getting the kids is to getting the parents. Influenced them to make fundamental changes in their lives that have become the shining example

for the children. Because we can give them all the tools and language to say shit to their kids, but if they're not living it, it doesn't mean dick. If they see their parents come home with jack in the box twice a week, they see them skip workouts all the time, like they're not going to be inspired to do the same thing. But if they live and they zooed health and fitness all the time, it's automatic. It's automatic. They don't got to teach it. You ain't got to have the conversation. The food isn't in the house. They see your behaviors and eventually they grow up get older, and then they start to see other parents and other people, and they see what their parents are like. That is the best way to evangelize this message to children. Yeah, I've never had success imposing my opinions on health and fitness on family

members. I've only ever had success by being the example, and then them coming to me. That's right. And they'll come to me and be like, yeah, you got so much energy. You're, man, you look great. What's going on? What are you doing? And then I'll give them a couple tips. But it's never worked the other way. You've got to be the shanning example.

That's it. To me, it's just like the religion thing. It's so funny to me. You got people selling you on why they're religion, they're God, they're way. So it made me like, bro, if it's that great, why you got to tell me about it. You should be able to live it. And I go, damn, what do you got that I don't got? Yeah, I mean, that's the same.

Why are you so happy? Yeah, what is it you're doing? I want a part of that. And that's the same thing for parents for kids. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal.

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