Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2046: The Best Way for a Teenager to Pack on Muscle, What to Do When Parts of Your Body Are Building Slower Than Others, Why Training to Failure Can either Help or Hurt Your Gains & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: April 5, 2023

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Salt is essential for function, for life, and believe it or not, consuming too little of it has far more dangers for most people than consuming, quote unquote, too much. All right. So, element, he did, element did a phenomenal post on Instagram. I'm going to read you some of this stuff because it's exceptional. And I'll tell you guys why the reasons why we still hear, there's fear mongering still around salt.

I believe is totally. So it was a great post. I love posts like this because they have data, they talk about here's what's accepted common knowledge. Here's why a lot of it's wrong. And here's what's really going on. Right. The post says that the World Health Organization recommends a worldwide effort to reduce the

average daily intake of sodium to about two grams of salt. It's based on the premise that lowering sodium intake with lower blood pressure, leading to fewer strokes, heart attacks, and heart failure. This is one of those things where they're like, okay, if this does this, then this means that. So they're like, okay, if we get everybody reduced their soul, we should get lower, less heart attacks, less strokes, therefore it's going to cause improvements in health

or whatever. But check out these studies, okay. 2011 study published in the Journal of American Medical Association shows that cardiovascular events were higher in individuals consuming less than three grams of sodium per day. The lowest rate of events was at four to six grams of sodium per day. In 2014, Mata Analysis shows that sodium intakes less than 2.6 grams a day were associated

with increased cardiovascular disease events and all cause mortality compared to intakes that were between 2.6 to 5 grams a day. In 2017, the framing hand offspring study showed that individuals who consume less than 2.5 grams of sodium per day had consistently higher blood pressure than those who consumed 2.5 grams. So why the conflicting information, why do they keep recommending, you know, lower sodium? Because the amount of people that eat a high process diet that have tons of sodium. Because if you compare, I remember I saw, I remember seeing this a long time ago, I saw like this chart of like one fast food meal compared to like salting your whole foods.

So if you made your food and you salted every single meal like for like a week, it would and it's this. The one fast food meal was more sodium than salting every meal you ate on whole foods like for a week. Yeah, what this is, what's likely is that this is a correlation that they're trying to make a part of, or trying to blame, or connect to the cause, right? So if you just look at general data and you look at Americans and you say,

wow, look at this. Americans who consume a lot of sodium are sicker Fatter have more strokes and more heart attacks. That's true. It's not the sodium though It's the fact that exactly what you said yeah that heavily processed foods Tend it actually tend to always consume a ton of sodium So what they're seeing is not the result of the sodium, but rather the result of the fact

that these people are eating heavily processed foods. And that's probably more calories are overweight because of that and so on. And that's because it has to, right, to preserve it. Is that the, is that flavor? It's just flavor. Remember, you know, heavily processed foods, most of the, the research that goes in to the foods, most of the investment that goes into these foods is into making them hyperpalatable.

And there's three main ingredients to hyperpalitability. Salt sugar, fat. Salt sugar and fat. Every chef, anybody who's ever studied how to make food taste good knows that those are the three key ingredients to hyperpalitability, right?

Salt and sugar, and then fat with the mouth feel. If you combine those three things in the right proportions, you can make food more pleasurable. And if you have something that let's say, let's say you advertise something as low fat, well, we've removed one of the things that improves, improves palatability. So what we're gonna do to offset that

is increase the sugar and the sodium, for example, or use all three. It's funny to taste like specific cook. I kind of judge this based on cookies. So I went to crumble and was like, what? How is this like so much tastier and it's loaded with butter.

Like you come to find out the amount of calories and like how dense it is. It's hard to eat like a whole cookie. No, whole cookies a lot. Bro, they're not even in a thick, they're like, it is. It's like it's a really dense cake, but I mean, it's delicious, but again,

they just ramp up like one factor like the fat like to the end degree. Did you look up? I was curious actually the last time I had one of those, I was like, man, I wonder what the calorie is. Oh, it's horrific. I mean, you're like, what's the big thing?

This thing is like, this is like, it's a thousand calories. I would guess a thousand calories. It's gotta be. And the frosting on them, on some of them, is like that fit. Right. It's like another cookie.

Yeah, I had like a few bites and, you know, it's just one of those things that's on the way up to Truckee and the kids really wanted it. And it's like, oh my God, I couldn't believe like the level like they've gotten with cookies. Am I a bad person for looking into like starting one of those franchises? I did.

I looked all into it. To start one? Yeah, yeah, I looked, they're exploding. Bro, you're just hedging. Is what you're doing. I'm trying to get everybody healthy, but just in case you don't, you're still gonna get rich.

What does that say, Doug? Oh, wow. Each cookie is... Oh, it's less than I thought. About five to 600 calories. But it's one cookie, five to 600 calories. It's a meal. I don't know.

Each cookie is a meal. All loud to be 20% off. That's true. Yeah, that's true. And that's what people are saying. Okay, what's 20% of 630? Oh, it could be another 100. It could be another 100.

It's seven hundred calories, like 750 or so. Yeah, yeah. That's a big ass difference. Yeah, that's crazy. But yeah, back to the sodium. Um, it's, this is terrible because, now look, there are specific, segments of the population, and you know who, you'll know this if this is you, right?

Where you have health issues, you work with a doctor or kidney specialist. I'm like, we gotta reduce your sodium. That's okay, but like everybody else, if you're otherwise, if you're overweight, high blood pressure, you're not healthy, whatever, you get leaner. Well, like trying to cut sodium is,

it's, that's not, that's not necessarily what the problem is. And then even worse, here's what the problem, here's the worst part of it, is forget the population of people who really sick because really sick people are not the same as otherwise healthy people in terms of how their bodies react to foods

and certain things. If you're otherwise healthy, and especially if you're fit and healthy, especially if you exercise and you're healthy, here you are health conscious, and you hear this news about salt. And you're like, you know what, I'm a health conscious person.

I watch right, I like to work out. So I should probably eat a low sodium diet. No, low sodium when you're active and fit and healthy is actually not just not gonna help you. It's gonna make you sicker and worse. It's gonna increase your risk of things like cardiovascular issues and that and also just poor performance. So sodium is one of the

cheapest most effective ways that an athlete can improve their performance, especially people who don't eat heavily processed foods. What if you eat a moderately processed diet, moderately processed diet, but still managed calories low. So let's say I'm like, let's say my maintenance is 3000 calories. And I eat out at least once, maybe twice a day, but I still managed to land around 25 or 2800 calories. Do you think one, I'm getting enough sodium from that just because I'm eating out twice a day or because I'm low calorie, I could still afford to even intake even more salt. Yeah, you're probably, I mean, probably yes, but of course that's a different conversation, right?

The challenge then becomes how hard are you making it on yourself to maintain the right amount of calories? Because when you're eating heavily processed foods, it makes it a lot harder. It's just a lot more challenging because they're so, I mean, they're engineered to make it overeat. But, you know, athletes should probably consume, definitely not the two grams or whatever they were recommending, probably closer to three to four. If you sweat a lot, maybe even more. Yeah yeah, the electrolyte balance off. Like it's interesting, there's a lot of the paleo diet was something that a lot of athletes were doing at the time and noticing that.

Yeah, they just were not getting the kind of output in the type of performance that was optimal. And they didn't even realize it was like their salt intake because there's such natural whole food driven, which is like what most like health conscious people are trying to do. But again, when they go to exert all this energy and they're not, their balance is way off.

They're not retaining that intracellular fluid and they're not utilizing that optimal salt intake. It really affects your output. And keep in mind, too, you balance out salt with magnesium and potassium, these are the other electrolytes. There's just pure sodium. Then you can get like, humble and pink salt or other types of salt that are more balanced

with their minerals versus like the pure white salt that you get, that's just sodium. There's nothing else in it. So, you know, natural salts are better. And then if you want a supplement with electrolytes, you want something that's like, like, element has all that stuff. I mean, by the way, again, I just read you the stats.

The World Health Organization says, two grams or less. I have two grams of sodium before breakfast. Okay. I have one packet of element before and during my workout. And then another one by the back half of my workout and after. So I'm already hitting two grams before even a breakfast. Is that a gram in each one? There's a gram.

There's a gram in each packet. So that's me, right? I would say the average athlete or whatever, probably one packet during the workout is probably plenty. I do, I've already identified that if I do like half, but you also are really good about eating whole foods. Like you eat out probably the, oh, maybe Doug actually I'd say the least. Out of all of us I'd say,

Doug and you probably eat out the least. And so it makes sense that you would supplement with at least two of those packets. I'm one because I actually still, you know, yes, that's why I was asking. I mean, I had Nick Degreek eating out and then I had a Poke bowl eating out, which I also put soy sauce on, which is loaded for sodium. A day like that I might not take a packet like that. Now, you know what, you know what's interesting?

You know, we say processed foods. There's still a hierarchy, I would say, with those. I think if it's in a box or a wrapper, that's like the worst kind. Eating out at restaurants, there's so many different, there's a variety of choices that you can eat out restaurants and still be like, I see your choices when you eat out. Right, right. I wouldn't put that in the same category as like, you know, like a frozen meal or box, crackers Chicken yeah Stomach Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm getting you know, it make a freak which is like a chicken

Kabab type of meal. I'm getting like you know teriyaki chicken type bowls. I'm doing like Chipotle's I'm doing like So a pokie ball that's like the type typical if I eat out that time eating out But still even those are are they're loaded with sodium. I mean they got a lot more sodium You're sure you know, then sodium than your typical, obviously, whole foods that you make yourself. So, along these lines, I've actually noticed, and this is interesting for me to kind of observe like what's popular with kids and like with drink choices and all that kind of stuff. And I kind of mentioned that there's a lot of attention and emphasis now on Gatorade versus Prime. And so we're talking about element,

which is like efficacious doses of that. And so it's like, at some point, you got to compromise to make it taste more sugary and something that's like More mainstream and so it's like you have your two now kind of versions of that which is prime and and gatorate It literally is like they're having their own little cola wars right now within like are there like yeah Like junior high kind of high school and they're all every like even when we are up in in Tahoe and I was just sitting there listening to these kids

running around, they were fighting over which one was better Gatorade or Prime. Well, what? Yeah, boy, I really think that as from a marketing perspective these companies know that there's really two types of people that you're marketing to. You're either marketing to the well-informed health and fitness person who is gonna see right

between the lines on that and go like, oh no, that's not what I want. I want something on like the like an element type of a choice. And then there's people that have heard, electrolytes are good and I know that I should probably do that but are not informed whatsoever and are gonna be easily targeted as like,

oh, they think they're making a good choice by doing that. Oh, and by the way, it tastes so good. Can I just say how inappropriate prime would be for kids? Yeah, I think 200 milligrams of caffeine for a can. Yeah, caffeine. Oh, there's caffeine in it? Yeah. 200 milligrams.

Yeah. Are you sure? It's an energy drink. It's an energy drink. I didn't realize that either until I looked it up. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's an energy drink. Are you fact checking? Yeah, that is correct 200 milligrams. Oh shit. You like okay, you know, that's why it's not that's not entirely true

Well, okay, so there's the energy Versus right? Yeah, there's energy drink which is the can and then there's the like the sports drink Okay, that's it. Yeah, you could tell the difference. Yeah, first drink looks like a gatorade bottle. Yeah, energy drink looks like a Reckless that doesn't have caffeine right? No. Okay, so that doesn't have caffeine. So one of them does, one of them doesn't. Okay. Nonetheless, are there regulations on, like, can a kid, can a 10-year-old, can an 11-year-old, or a 12-year-old, walk into a 7-Eleven and buy a 200-mg caffeine drink?

Probably. Yes, can I have a process? Bro, they do it. Don't you understand this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When's the last time you've been in a Starbucks, it blows my mind of time and it's starting. Do you know how the interstitus is? There's always like three or four kids

that are in there that are ordering like loaded, you know, crap, chimo, extra shot. Like yeah. Wow. I've seen the same thing. Wow, that, it's crazy. I mean, to be totally clear, it's funny to me how we demonize certain things

and then like we've just totally like accept that when it's a drug. It's a classic drug. Interactive. a classic drug. Yeah, no, no, it's a classic drug. It has It's it's it's deadly at like 10 times their efficacious dose, which is a terrible like that's it's a deadly compound It can be very deadly it can kill people very easily. It's addictive. It has all the classic addictive properties of drugs. You develop a tolerance and then you have terrible withdrawal when you go off. To be clear, if caffeine were discovered today, it would not be legal. They would make it in a legal drug, 100% across the board. But for some reason, a kid can go by, that's crazy. That blows

my mind. They could do that. Yeah. Yeah, that's, hey, then again, they prescribe I'm freaking math too, so. Yeah, exactly. I know, that's what I'm giving. That's exactly what the antural is. That's really cool. That is so crazy to me. Anyway, more studies on fitness. There's like some, this is kind of cool, right?

There's some little bit of controversy in the muscle building world around studies that are coming out showing that loading a muscle in the stretch position builds more muscle than in other positions. I hate studies. Well, first, let's start here. Let's start here. And then we'll move to, I know exactly where you're going to go out of them. Because then people go too far with it.

But let's start here. Loading a muscle in a stretch position. So exactly like we did in maps and a ball that advanced, where at the end of your workouts and the failure weeks, you're holding a stretch like a fly in the bottom position at the end of the chest workout or stretching the lats for time and the back workout and so on. OK. Doing so builds three times more muscle,

three times more muscle than loading other positions of the muscle, which is true. So that's true. So that's really cool, cool science. Now, here's where people went too far. Now you've got these fitness people who are saying, you should just train your muscles in the stretch position, avoid exercises that squeeze the muscle

or work in the mid-range. Yeah, this isn't replacing, you't replacing these other beneficial ways of training. It's just another thing to consider. It's not only that, but it's a thing that I think I've said on this damn show a hundred times. Okay, right now it is the most effective thing or three times in a controlled study of six to 12 weeks, but do that every single workout for a year. And report back to me on the benefits of it then. Your body is un-shelf life. Unbelievably intelligent with its ability to adapt

to whatever stimulus that you give it. And so when we do these studies in these small windows, it's really easy to stimulate it in a novel way and show how impactful and amazing it is, but you're missing the story, the whole story, if you don't understand how the body adapts. And so, and hopefully our audience who's been listening to us and has been following the programs, there's a reason why not every one of our programs has that in it. Because it would be ridiculous to do that in every single program.

It makes sense to interrupt your basic, your inappropriately applied, like that's like a destiny for injury. People just have to realize there's like some of these techniques, you know, they're advanced and they're for reason. And they're programmed in a sequence that allows for a certain amount of rest, that allows for a certain amount of intention going into it. So that's the thing. There's a lot of different things you can do, the body, to stimulate a muscle signal. Yeah, look, in head-to-head comparisons, there are rep ranges that build more muscle. There are specific set and volume ranges that build more muscle. There are specific set and volume ranges

that build more muscle. There's specific exercises that build more muscle, there's specific intensity levels that build more muscle. But what we're missing out of that conversation is that all the other ones that are tested also build muscle, so it's not like they don't. And then here's the other big one. The body adapts exactly what you guys are saying.

And so if you only do one all the time, even if it's the best and it had to eventually becomes the worst, because it stops working for your body. And then by the way, the worst one ends up being the best because it's so novel. Right. Right. So then the formula changes completely. So now, now, Brett Contreras is going off on this right now, right? Because people are coming after him, coming after his signature exercise, the hip growth. Because it's not in a stretch. Right, and everybody's like,

oh, see, short range of motion, and it's focused more on the contract that you've been proven to build muscle. Yeah, yeah, so everybody's like, oh, see, squats are better for glute growth because you could stretch them at the bottom, hip thrusts are a waste of time. And because-

Hey, I'll tell you what, that's true. I still think that's true. That what, that, no. That squatting is still, I still stand by, and I've said that's, it's very beginning, even when the glute, the floor bridge was, you know, oh, that's the best glute builder. Yeah, sure.

But are you gonna be like, don't do? No, absolutely not, I would never say that. Yeah, that's the thing. And, and, it's like one of, one of, it's not quite a pure isolation. Actually, it was close to an isolation exercise. It is one of the best isolation exercises for the glutes because you can load it. Yeah.

You can load it like you can't load a kickback or like a freaking dog pee. And I'll say this, if you have difficulty building your glutes with traditional glute exercises, the hip thrust is a superior exercise. That's right, because it is like an isolation exercise. Because it teaches you how to squeeze and connect. Yes.

That's why people who are like, oh my God, my butt didn't grow with squats, now grows with hip thrust. That's right. But now he's going against, and he's like, what we got to see more data, it doesn't show, it's like, look, Brett, that's not the point. The point is, they all work, and it's the right mix of things that gives you the best results.

And if you just do one thing all the time, then it eventually stops working. That's why I tell you like this will kind of like take fire because not a lot of people are applying this technique. It's like it's super novel to like your everyday average kind of gym go. They're like, wow, it's really worth for me. But it is cool that this thing. Also keep in mind that there's other things that come into play with the choice of an exercise than just what signals the most muscle, too.

Do you think holding weights in a stretch position all the time would be advantageous for mobility and flexibility and functional overall movement? I think if you just did that, what that would do to the function in your movement. Yeah, could you imagine that? What Sam would eventually lead to what? Less muscle. That's right, yeah. That's right.

So like people thinking like 16 week intervals, not that. Yes, because that's how we, that's how we study it. That's why I hate when we get in, when our, I mean, you're right, like what are you doing, Brett? Like you're so much smarter than that to even get into an argument like that. If people are too stupid to see it, and they're gonna try and and come at you like with the

track record that he has too and the amount of trash transformations that guy that's like, how is that not enough for me? Yes, dude. So you guys got like for 10,000 booties that he's built from doing that. Like if that's not enough for you guys, like, you know, seriously. But what I was gonna say is what's cool about this data that's coming out is, I mean, we had just released anabolic advanced with the weighted stretch, you know,

kind of component. And I love it now. Now, more data's coming out confirming what, I'd say bodybuilders had it have identified for a long time. Which is funny, you know, this old bodybuilder wisdom just keeps getting confirmed by studies. They ignore bodybuilders for decades. Oh, you're dumb. that's not what's happening.

And then, yeah, well, data shows, you guys are actually right. And what point do you think, because, I mean, I know I probably get labeled as the anti-science guy, because I talk so much shit about when you bring up a study or whatever. But don't you, just don't you, yeah. How do we know they're real?

So I didn't sort. So, believe it. Do you not believe being the science guy, okay, of us, that there's somewhat of a bell curve of like, at what point do we have too much studies about a subject? Right. Too much? Yes.

Or was, or when the studies can start to confuse people, yes. So there's gotta be a bell curve of like, conflicting studies. Hey, this was really good. This point is the right job. Boy, this would, man, when we learn this, this would make me huge difference in society.

At what point is it overkill? Here's what I, and we start to just confuse people and they, and we're doing worse. I agree with you. So I know where you're going with this. So here's the problem. I love science, but don't worship it. It is not a belief system.

People are like, I believe in science. Get out of my face with that. It's like, it's a method. It's not something you believe in. It's just a method of testing hypothesis, looking at data, looking at that data, doing more tests. Replicating it. Yes.

So, when people worship science becomes a problem, because then what happens is they throw out wisdom and common sense. Yeah. So they'll be like, you know, I know when my kids are on social media and their devices all day long, they act like little shits and they're disconnected, but I just read a study that said there's no harm.

Yeah. It's like, okay, come on, bro, like really not doing anything. Yeah, throw, like there's common sense, there's wisdom and there's science, you gotta use all of it. And science often follows anecdote. What I mean by that is a lot of times scientists study things because there's been so much anecdote saying that something works.

I think, let's go study it and see what's going on. But until that study comes out to prove it, there's a lot of people like, well, that's not true. I know the bodybuilders are saying that when you stretch, you know, train a stretched muscle that you build more muscle, but I don't know any data that shows that, well, that's not true. I know the bodybuilders are saying that when you stretch it, you know, train it, stretch muscle that, you build more muscle, but I don't know any data that shows that. Therefore, it's not true. No, that doesn't mean it's not true.

They've been talking about for decades. There's something that's happening. You can try to explain it. We haven't figured out what the mechanism is yet, but let's not discount it just because we don't have the study to show it. And then when the study comes out, if it counters all your common sense and wisdom,

it's okay to question it. Like there's nothing wrong with questioning, you know, because how many, for example, how many drugs are pulled off the market every year? Right. I think it's like hundreds. That's a lot. I think the fact that we are finding ourselves

in this era right now. And we're all 40, 40 plus years old, so we've been around for a little bit enough to see this. It almost doesn't it feel like we've watched this almost full circle. We're like the methods of training and stuff like that and the things that we're getting back to, you're saying like this old wisdom that's been around forever. And we've done enough studies to go and prove ourselves right, then prove ourselves wrong, then reprove again, and then challenge that.

And then we are landing back really close to what people have been doing for a hundred years. Oh, you know what's funny about that? It's this is such, we're such narcissists, right? We think that people from, just because we we've progressed in some ways doesn't mean that we're smarter or that we've progressed in other or that we haven't regressed. So we often look back a few generations or especially when we go back thousands of years and we think people are stupid.

Yeah. They didn't know anything. They're so dark. Irrigant, elitist society. Dude, these ancient Sumerians and Egyptians and Roman, I mean, they did shit with engineering. Yeah, without the tools that we had. Right. Like, you can't even describe how they did that.

Like, there's no actual like theory that's sound that we have for a lot of these things that they've consumed. They were able to predict, you know, comments and constellations and shit. For thousands of years, calendars are still accurate today and how did they do it?

They just literally lay down and watch the stars and somehow did their own mathematical equations to figure stuff like this out. I remember when I was, like, see, I was probably 20 and at the time I was doing judo and I was really starting to get more into competing of grappling. I remember I learned this particular grappling move and I remember someone taught it to me and they're like, oh, it's this new way of, you know, of stopping a take down and then

you do this type of thing. It's really cool. It's a new technique. I was like, oh, this is cool. It's a new thing. I'm going to do, no one's going to know what's going on and it's going to really work really well. Anyway, I went to Unvocation to France and we're in the Louvre Museum.

But by the way, my favorite place is Ever. Louvre is amazing. We're walking through and there's all these, it's a meek, you could do this for three days, you could go through a whole thing and not see everything. I remember there was this tablet, it was like this big. I think it was Greek, so it was from ancient Greece, and it was showing Greek wrestlers. So it's like thousands of years old, okay? And I'm looking at the wrestling move.

You just learn, it's the one I learn. I'm looking at it, I'm like, bro, it's thousands of years old, dudes were doing the same move, I just learned. We think we're all cool inventors. Yeah, we think we're such bad asses. Because of that. Did you, by the way, did you know the most decorated, Olympian of all time? Let me see if I, let me get, let me get these statistics right,

I wrote this down. The most decorated Olympian of all time was Milo of Croton. He was a wrestler. You're ready for this? 1200 wins. 1200. 1200 wins. And one law. I feel like this guy up a long time ago. 1200 and one was his record. like this guy up a long time ago. 1201 was this record for wrestling. You know who the second was? This is the guy that beat him. Is like, yeah. Yeah, either that or you got lucky.

Yeah, you know, like a beast hung him in the face and he's like, how are you that one? You know who second is? The second best, one of the best, most decorated Olympians, but best wrestler of all time This guy was in modern times. I've talked about him many times on the podcast Alexander Carolyn You know what his record was? 887 wins and two losses

Damn what kind of a beast is that you with that many times dude? It's a lot who was it hold on their level was it Dennis our friend Dennis who? He was an alternate in Greco-Roman for Olympics. Yeah. And he's just a badass guys. He's black on the G2. Didn't you train with him for a little bit? Yeah, it's trained with him for a bit. How did it feel to grapple to do that? Oh my God, it's so big. You know, it's just one of those things. You're just like this little baby all of a sudden. Just as a big dude. There's just, there's different people out there. Yeah, different sides. So he says that he went to Russia,

this is way after Alexander, you know, he was like retired and he's like, I don't know how old he was at time, 50 something or whatever. And Alexander was teaching like the wrestlers, like moves and Dennis a badass. This guy was an alternate in the Olympics in Greco-Roman competed in the World Abu Dhabi championships long time ago.

And he said Alexander like, it's like grab them or whatever and start messing with them. He's like, he left me with bruises. He was just demonstrating shit. And he's like, his hands were so heavy and strong. He left bruises. He's hard to control. They made a force that he could produce.

Yeah, dude. It's people like that out there. On my body, anyway. There is a viral picture right now of Kauai Leonard and who? He's the basketball player. And he's walking with Paul George. So two massive dudes in the NBA,

and they're like walking next to each other and give each other high five. And Kauai Leonard's nickname is the claw. Cause he's defensively, he always gets steals with that and he's got these hands on him. And you see that, see if Doug would pull it up, pull up, Leonard and Paul George, maybe you can get it first, Andrew, hands picture. It's going viral right now. It's only this last week or like that. And so if you've ever seen, I don't know, so Michael Jordan had this book and I'll never forget

I had as a kid and it had his real, his real size of his hands. It's so you could put your hands on there. And my, my hands fit inside of his palm. So we got big hands. Yeah. And so, right. And so, oh my God. Look at, bro. These are bolt, okay, you're talking about like it. Paul George is like, what,

see this? He's another guy with big hands. Massive. Massive. Bro, he could slap you from across the street. Is that while? Yeah, you're talking about another giant dude that's doing that. So it's not like Paul George has got tiny little baby hands.

He's got massive hands himself. And that gray. What would you do if you went to your Proctologist appointment? Oh, no. I'm out. I'm out. That guy walks out.

I gotta check your, no, no, you're not, bro. I told you. Call him the nurse. I don't know what happened to you. That happened. Yeah uh... No, no you're not bro. Call the nurse. I don't know what happened to you right now. Yeah, it was like this big like Turkish guy. You know, like hairy fingers and everything and they're like all like these sausages. I was that even possible. I feel like that would be part of like the job application. Like can you see your hands please? Well I thought it was gonna be like a nurse or something and you know,

and then he puts the glove on like oh my god. No! That fucking Thanos locks the door. Just like, oh, oh, I told you guys when I ate lunch with Magic Johnson, right? He used to work, he was a sponsor by 24-feet. Yeah, I sat next to him and I remember, he's like, what's crazy is he was a point guard, how crazy is that?

When do you think about that? He's the small guy on the court. I mean, both you, right? to me, he was the biggest dude I've ever seen in my life, because I've never been next to a pro NBA player. And he sat next to me and at the time, Astroff introduced us and he's like, this is Sally's young prodigy coming up.

But I'm magic. Oh, nice to meet you, man. He gives me a high five and I was like, good girl. Whoa. This is wild. This is crazy. He's speaking crazy. You know what movie I watched last night this is wild. This is crazy. You speak crazy, you know what movie I watched last night?

Oh, John Wick. The new one? Yeah. I love the Wick series. There's action on action. It's the violence point. It's the director, that's why. Look him up, Doug.

I think he's the same one who did the bullet train, which I love that movie. Bullet train was great. So good. It was great. So good. It was great. So good. I'm gonna try to get you guys to watch that for a while. I'm finally gonna get you guys to watch that. You know what I like about?

No, that's not. That's not who you were thinking, Adam. Oh, that's, oh yeah. Chad still, that's, you know what I got? Chad. Of course. I didn't know that it was Chad. Chad, Chad directed it.

I thought I could have sworn that it was the same director that did that. No, no, well. I so it's, so it lived up to all the action that was the first one. Here's what I like about it, is that they don't pretend. It's not like they're making the movie like we gotta put a good plot. This has to make sense.

It's like afterthought, yeah. None of this is gonna make sense. Nobody cares about the plot. 50 million people are gonna shoot at him. Nobody's gonna hit him. He'll never get tired. At one point, there's a scene where John Wake, he's literally, he's at the top of like a building.

It's like the third story. He runs through the window. So he falls out of a building, crashes on a car, hits the ground, right? It gets up. He gets, Jay gets up and he's like, oh my boy, my ribs. Yeah, and he starts running.

And you can hear the guys, because a bunch of dudes watching it. Everybody starts laughing in the theater. Yeah. And then, yeah, they're like left him for dead, like shot him in the stomach. Like last time, the last movie I watched of his and it's just like, oh, he's just still keep, keeps on going.

And the car chase scenes were amazing, but every car that he like steals to like drive away from was a super rare classic muscle car chase scenes were amazing, but every car that he like steals to drive away from was a super rare classic muscle car. So like, so convenient. I see it with my son and I'm like, bro, you would, and they were in Paris, of all things. Like, you would never see that car anywhere.

Just like, you know, you're in Paris. Just classic car in Paris. Yeah, and then the other guy's got another classic car. I don't think I ever saw a classic car in Paris. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, you don't see. They have a little tiny car. They have the little tiny cars. They don't fit. Like, there's nowhere to park them. Like, you can't be on the roads. Why are you making a see that anywhere, you know?

Yeah, you don't know exactly. I guess you're gonna see a GTO judge driving down the road. Let alone to be there. That's already rare. But it was fun, dude. It was a good movie. The fight scenes are good because they incorporate, like, I mean, I saw Jiu Jitsu. It's like you know real MMA moves in martial arts.

Yeah just all kinds of stuff and Keanu I mean he's got to do a lot of training to do some of that stuff you know because that's the positions and movements were brutal. Yeah I heard I heard to like he improvises a lot of the, with the stuff with the pistol and all that too. So like the ways that he can kind of manipulate it and use it as a weapon, like, you know, I was counting, I was counting at one point how many rounds in his pistol? I'll do that.

I'm like, bros, 40, 50 rounds in there. Where the hell is it? It's like a video game, you know? You just have to limit it. You never limit it. Did I tell you guys, speaking of rounds and did I tell you guys, so I watched the hell, it's like a video game, you know? You just never limit an ammo. Did I tell you guys speaking around? And did I tell you guys the, so I watched the newest,

I've already seen like two or three documentaries on this and just I know you liked this type of weird shit. The Waco, Texas. Oh yeah. Did you watch the new Netflix one? Yeah, the new Netflix one. They said a stat that I actually didn't know. Do you know that,

that was the most bullets on US soil spread since the civil war. What? Yeah. I mean, it was it was hellfire. Like that's what's cool about this series because the other ones preceding it. We're all just about the Colton. Like what started the cult. And I mean, this was actually from the perspective of the ATF.

And I was fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. One of the biggest, I mean, that One of the biggest black eyes on the... For sure. Yep. And you see how that all sort of unraveled in the lack of communication between negotiators

and also the aggressive unit that's in there trying to take them out. Because they killed agents. They killed one more. Yes. They brought like the craziest tanks because they had a 50 cow. They had a 50 cow. And so they brought in a tank that actually could,

they originally had other tanks that a 50 cow would penetrate. Then they brought like the craziest tank that we have. Because it didn't matter if they were in body armor or anything. Yeah, they had the kind of weaponry to. And then in a building that had probably 50 plus kids here driving it through the walls oh and then shooting gas bomb terrific oh it was I didn't know that stat though I thought that was crazy to think that was the most bullets ever spilled on US soil since the Civil War wow I don't know that yeah isn't that crazy that's wild so So in a situation like that, how do you handle something like? I mean, they obviously went in with force and that turned out bad. They ended up killing a bunch of innocent children.

Right. How do you handle a situation? Well, they had some, but they had an inside person. They did. Yeah, they did. So they had an inside agent that was in the cold. Yeah, they had an agent in the cold. And so I don't know, wait till the main dude is grocery shopping or leaves the compound one day and then get him. Yeah. But to go in, when you know that there's that many women and children and stuff in there, like apparently the plan initially was to catch him with the element surprise, but that totally like backfire because they were actually going towards the compound and got lost. Got lost.

Got lost. Talk to a post mailman that was like on route turns out the mail person was part of the cult like are at least tied in with people in this and warned them ahead of time you know completely like uprooted their entire plan for a surprise they didn't have that on their side and they knew that in this the buckle so they knew that the element of surprise was gone and they still proceeded. And like half the guys were saying,

like we shouldn't go. We shouldn't go because now we don't have any, they have all the advantage now. Yeah. And yet they still. Do you guys remember those, oh, this is a while ago, I don't know if we'll be able to find this.

I don't know if it was a farmer. There's a couple of farmers where the government wanted to go in, moving on the land, and the farmer and a bunch of other people with their stood there with their guns and said, no, you need to have a warrant or whatever. And it was a standoff.

This happened like, I want to say it was the last 10 years. Yes, the Bundy. There it is. Standoff. What was the whole deal with that? What was the whole deal with that, Doug? Does anybody know? Yeah. So the BLM suspends the roundup of trespassing cattle, protesters disperse, incident diffuse. I'm just reading headlines. So that was a situation where the

government, where the government was like, we're, no, we're doing this. And they're like, no, you're not. And it turned into a standoff. And I think incidents like Waco made the government now say, yes, yeah, so I say, okay, what are we going to do when you're going to kill everybody? You wrote you. Yeah. So I have the details here. So it was a 21 year legal dispute in which the United States Bureau of Land Management obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over a million in withheld grazing feeds, fees for Bundy's use of the land. And from that point forward, I have to get the rest of the article here.

And he said suck it. Yeah. He said suck it. He had friends that said suck it and they all got together. And they were okay. But I think Waco, really if Waco hadn't happened, then something like that could have turned deadly. But I think they were like, what are we gonna do? Yeah, because that's you know, they're all staying their ground with with their

You know, they're right to bear arms or whatever. I don't know man. Yeah, wow So I've seen a couple of docs on it, but like Justin said this was the first time I had seen that Perspective and that type of footage. So it was just a little three three-part series or whatever I thought it was really interesting Well, it was that stat that really blew my mind, I had no idea that it was that crazy. That's just full of war they waged with those people. Yeah. And it just killed everybody, right?

Yeah, almost everyone ended up dying because they got lit on fire. So there's still to this day. Well, they're saying that they lit on fire. It wasn't us, they killed, they did it themselves. Yes. That's the controversy. Yeah, there's like controversy on still about it Whether they lit themselves on fire because the way the building caught fire was it started in like

Like four or five different locations and one and one of they have a report of like one of the snipers that was from ATF That was or not ATF but one of the one of the other groups that's over there supporting ATF that was or not ATF, but one of the other groups that's over there supporting ATF. That said, oh wow, he thought they were burning them out because the way the fire was going, it didn't make sense. It was burning in the opposite direction of the wind was blowing. So somebody started those fires intentionally, didn't accidentally happen. Oh, dude, it's so frustrating too, because you see opportunities where they probably would have been able to resolve it a few times. With the negotiator.

Yeah, so they negotiated and this one lady leaves because they used her kid as basically a way for her to get this emotional pull. And so she finally kind of succumbs to the kid needs me and they're able to get her to leave. So that's all great, but then now of sudden the news picks it up and then they arrest her. They arrest her and they say that anybody that's gone,

we're gonna prosecute immediately. Like what a fucking stupidist idea I've ever heard. That's the message you're going to send these people that you're trying to get out. And even if you do it, you don't let it be seen on television. You wonder, right? Oh yeah, it was a weird. One of the snipers had crash literally in his crosshairs.

And he had this dilemma. He's like, I can take him out right now. And he's looking at him and they're looking at each other. And he's like, I could end this right now. And he's looking at him and I'm looking, they're looking at each other. And he's like, I could end this right now. And he's still haunts him today that he thinks he could have saved like all those people if he just shot him. Oh wow.

Yeah. Imagine that he didn't have the authority to do it. You know, and he's just sitting there like, I could end this. Have you guys ever heard the story of the, I wanna say it was a Soviet. I think he was a sub captain. I wanna say who prevented

the Roman nuclear war between the Soviet Union and the US. You heard the story, yeah. That's all, there's a documentary about that. I have seen that one. Yeah, he was ordered to launch. They had false reports that the US had launched Nukes and they told him to launch his Nukes and he didn't and thank God he didn't.

Had he done it, we would have picked up a launch, we would have launched ours and it would have been just dust, but he literally went against his orders. He said no, I'm not going to, and I don't remember what the reason was, but he prevented nuclear war. Completely going out. I've done confined it.

Did you find a Doug? I did. His name was Vasily Alekseyn Drovich Arkhipov. There's a doc on it, isn't there? Yeah. It was a Soviet naval officer who prevented a Soviet nuclear torpedo launch during the Cuban missile crisis. Yeah, it was a Soviet naval officer who prevented a Soviet nuclear torpedo launch during the Cuban missile crisis. Oh

Wow, he did they see and we nobody knows who he is this guy should get like an award this whole family should get a war Oh, yeah, he did he did yeah, he got a word called a future of life prize Wow, yeah, that's cool saving of millions of people's lives. Do just I want to tell you So I went down the rabbit hole the other day. I totally thought of you. I didn't realize How many dear your aliens which one is it wow you hit the nail and head or both? It's no, it's no, so I like that like now. I'm this guy right on the tinfoil hat. No, this is cool Yeah, I didn't realize how many ancient reports and ancient societies and cultures,

spanning the globe, how many of them described UFOs and similar descriptions, you know, a ring of fire in the sky, golden disc, wheels in the sky, spinningning wheels and the sky. Beings, different beings. There were reports of these giants. And these are all ancient reports that are thousands of years old, across the world.

Fiery serpents. Yeah, how crazy. You have to see the one that I put him on, the unsolved mysteries ones, because I thought that was wild. What happened? Well, they had like, what was it?

50-something people? At least. Like 50-something people. This is an Indian reserve. Yeah, and it's massive Indian reserve. And like, within a, I can't remember the period of time. It was a very short period of time. 50 random people all come in that they saw this UFO.

That's crazy. Yeah, and they even had footage of it, which was cool. It had like, it almost looked like tentacles that were dropping off little spaceships, like, behind this mountain. It was trippy. It was really trippy. Like, they had like some weird footage of that and even some big foot type sightings and all that.

So that was a fun one. Because it had like, incorporate all these myths. Yeah, I guess. It's like incorporate all of it together. It's a precedent. You gotta watch this, Rose. So right up your alley. I love all that.

And then I try and like ground myself back a little bit too. And like, okay, so what's sort of like science, what's their explanation for phenomenon, sometimes and all this. And that's where I like start looking at things like phenomenon like a ball lightning. Yeah, that's real Isn't that it's real? It's real and so is like scene almost fire if you guys have ever heard of that No, I just knew that was a movie in the 80s. Yeah, it had a great song

I've been waiting to see that Yeah, so the ball lightning is it's a trip because I think it does happen in storms and It's not like a ball of lightning right that like fly through the air It lasts a lot longer than like the normal lightning strike So it just it turns it. It's like a sphere and it they've seen like phenomenal where it's floating You know around like a like this orb that's just glowing and to I guess like Glass conducts it even further and they've noticed like it's actually even come through windows in people's houses.

Well, though, it's not even it's it's not even a conspiracy theory or paranormal. No, this is a real phenomena. Yeah, they're saying, no, this is a real thing. Ball lightning. Well, and that's the thing too. So, now you start thinking like how many times have people reported like orb like glowing objects and like how many times has that been misreported as like a UFO. So I start thinking about the scene almost fire once. What is that? Weird.

It's like plasma. So it's like it too. This is some kind of electro-static electromagnetic, electromagnetic, like energy that, like points of objects like glow. And so like they've noticed this on like towers, like powered, what do you call this? Like the structures were... White house? No.

No, like power lines, like power lines power line towers like so on tips of it like the little glow. Oh there it is. There was a picture right there that pull it up right there. The purple one in the top and it's oh yeah yeah yeah. Oh interesting. Yeah so it's really weird. I guess it's not like it doesn't like heat up and it's not like damaging, but it does like interrupt a bit of Why do they call it st almost fire frequency? Was this described a long time ago? Oh because I guess it happens I guess they noticed it Ships So they first I like fire

Yeah, he is for first. I like fire! That's fun! Yeah, A is for Apple. I hate it, I hate Elmo. Yeah, so I guess like sailors would notice it and it became good luck if they saw it like in the sky. And so seeing Elmo's, I was associated with some saint. Have you, were you into this shit when you were a kid? Yeah. Me too, a lot.

Did you ever read about spontaneous combustion? Yeah. Have you ever seen the pictures of it? Yeah. I've like, like, like, there was you believe it? Or is it like, well, things where you're just like, there was one picture I saw where there was literally, it was like a whole room was untouched. And there was a chair. And the guys shoes were still there. But everything else was charred, but the room was untouched. Yeah. And I think his wife was there and she's like,

he just caught fire and literally just, like that's so hard to believe for me, but I've seen pictures too, like you said, but I mean, of course, how are you gonna ever catch it on film? And what would you do if you saw that? Are you hanging out with friends? And your friend got this catch as fire. Oh man, that was really spicy.

Yeah. Yeah. That was really spicy Look at that just the legs are left the whole room the whole room is untouched the charred like skeleton dude Just caught fire and the legs were left. It's like what how did that happen? I heard some explanations like that they that they they were oh And you know what they all have in common. They were really drunk Really like it's really some alcohol combo. That's what I read. I mean I haven't read this since I was a kid See if I saw that if I'm hanging out. Let's see. We're all hanging out right world hanging out Having a good time creating new maps program. Oh, yeah, it's just so exciting boom Doug just explosion flame And then there's this dust there. I'd be like, what did he do? Yeah, God. Yeah, who did he put it off?

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I was weird. I don't know. I miss Doug, but he must have done something to deserve it. I guess. I don't know what happened. If that's your fate, you know, yeah, I said, there was a whole, there was a series of books when I was a kid in the library that It was like unsolved mysteries books. There was like ten of them and each one was on a specific topic. It was like the Moth man. It was a Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot, spontaneous combustion.

And I must have rented those books out of the, I at least read each one ten times. Yeah, at least. I have same. What's that call where the symbols are left in the corn fields and stuff? Oh, crops are also rules. So I think one of the unsolved mysteries got into the theory behind those. Is it like this sound?

Well, there was a guy that admitted to doing a lot of them. Oh, really? Yeah, there's been some hoaxes that have been exposed. So you want to go out with like, um, yeah, so it's like a rope and then they have like, uh, a plank plank and then they just, they, they press it down. So here's my favorite part of that. So before that dude came out and said that this is how I've been doing it.

All the conspiracy theorists were like, this is impossible. How can anybody do this in pop? This doesn't work like this. There's no way how can they make you hours? Perfect circles or whatever. And this dude literally had a piece of rope and a plank of wood. And you just step on them and just a rope,

a rope and then he scaled it out and it's so impossible. And you just create circles and shit. With this rope. I didn't know that came out. Yeah, but some of them are so geometrically complex and stuff that people are still like, okay, well yeah. There's ones that like super high up, it's like and they're massive and they like are perfect.

Well, my favorite is the response to, so remember that, that gold disc that we sent out there that had like a very specific message. Oh, in the 1970s. So there was a sort of a mirrored version of that as a crop circle that had basically their response. And so the other part is too, people wanna see alien in that so bad

that you'll see people out there reading any kind of like like electromagnetic kind of like signal or something, you know, to try and like associate it with some crop circles never, never feel foe. They never impressed me. When impressed me are ancient things that are put in the ground that you can't see unless you're in an airplane and they've been around for thousands of years. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, like the something lines that, uh, Oh, NASCO lines. Yeah. Yeah. That one show.

It's not one with a big naked dude and is with his, with his weighing hanging out. There's like a old, like, you know, I'm like, wow, some 13 year old ancient dude. Yeah, the Peruvian Leroy. Those ones right there. Yeah, they look like, they look like, uh, like you would land a plane on them or they look like a

per. Yeah, the spider that, that's a, a famous one in the bird. Yeah, the spider, that's a famous one. And the one man that's like on the mountain that looks like an alien, one of the great aliens, it has this like big head, big eyes. Yeah, look at that. Like how do they do that? Because you can't see them unless you're in space.

And that's interesting that lasted this long too, right? It's like because of the dirt, as you uncover the dirt, it's like this clay or whatever that is, it's a different color. It's like, yeah. There was people like activists that went down there and like ruined one of them. They had to end up like roping these off

because dumbasses like will go down and like ruin ancient things like that. Yeah, it's just me off. Speaking of ancient stuff, did you guys know Bluetooth, you know Bluetooth obviously, the technology? Yeah. Did you guys know the symbol of Bluetooth? I just learned this today.

Oh, the North, North Scott. The North Roons. Oh, yeah, it's like it's- That's what I was based off of North Scott. No, it's like, there's like a, What was it? So there's a Viking, it's a, I had wrote it down. There's a Viking that's well known,

and they call them Bluetooth. Yes. Why? His name was, it was a Viking King, Harold Gormson. So funny that Justin knew this. Of course he did. You just know a lot of ranchers. I got another part to this.

You know that you have a mine for podcasting? Like, how would you slish? It's so funny. Would all that be, right? Listen, I fill in all the gaps of random. Yeah, so salad just be tarting himself. Yeah, exactly. I just be on here, huh?

I can make stuff up though. I can make things up and out of what believe you though. You're right. You would have no idea. Through the power of suggestion. Justly, Kid Fack check me. No Salah actually was a Norse. So anyway, he was a...

Not for Bid Salah learns hypnotism. He was a Viking king. He reigned over a thousand years ago. He was well known for unifying factions of Denmark and Norway. So in other words, Bluetooth brings together technology. And they think his name was Bluetooth for one of two reasons. Either one, he liked eating blueberries,

or two, he had a dead tooth. Okay. Here's a fun fact. You know, it's friends gave him that nickname. He had a dead tooth. It's Bluetooth. Hey, you know, Bluetooth over. Stinky Bluetooth.

Yeah. Well, you know, the other fun facts of Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, you know who invented that? Well, this lady that was like this beautiful actress from Hollywood. Really? Yeah. I forget her name, but she was beautiful though. She was beautiful though. That was all I think.

But like, you're like, oh, I don't know. It's some dorky scientist guy. No, it was like this actress. Oh, I did know this. Yeah. Just brilliant lady who just came up with the concept of Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and being able to kind of like it's the single.

What's her name? Oh, heady Lamar. Oh, yeah, you know who that is, Doug? Yeah, I'm back in the day. Yeah, what you saying? You know, she's gorgeous, though. It's like, wow. You had a poster too.

Yeah. Yeah. Came that away, Clay. Is cuz that is that burn in your memory No, she invented Wi-Fi. Yeah in Bluetooth. Yeah, she wasn't beautiful woman I'm gonna shake gorgeous. Oh, you like that. That was pretty cool. You like that classic that classic look Yeah, I feel like I miss my I miss my era dude I thought she died in 2000 so when did she come up with Wi-Fi? Yeah, thank you.

I'll do that a little more with my first. Mother of Wi-Fi. There's Hall of Fame for development. It's so some of the technology she came up with was way before, but they used, they built upon her. They built upon her. On her stuff. And they made Wi-Fi.

Yeah. So you like that style, huh, Justin? Yeah. So when you Courtney roleplay and stuff that she Put on little Marilyn Monroe Maybe I mean I definitely Like like like polka dot dresses. Yeah, he likes so what's it? What's it called? So it's that girl no 50, 50s, 50s. Yeah. It's like the poodle skirt kind of way. Yes, what is that call?

What's that? What's that? You don't know the genre for the genre. The genre. I'm definitely, yeah, like a lean on sort of the greaser kind of look. When we're going out, but yeah, I used to like, try and convince her to do more of that where they do kind of the beehive really here to yeah, for girls and so that's your air lipstick. Your air is 40s 50s. Yeah, for you. What's your air?

Let me guess, your 80s bro. No, no you are 80s early 90s. No, no I like bro, I like like 20s and 30s dude. I like that. Really? Yeah, mobster like pinstripes suits and then. No, I'm talking about for women. Oh, for just, I mean,

well, even the girls in that, really? Yeah, yeah. They were the flat. They had those classic short hair and the flat dress. Yeah, I like that classic, I do like that classic look. Both men and women, that era, just, I think that's the most attractive as what I'm saying. Well, I mean, Jesus, that's what I'm asking.

Today, the girls, they're like pretty much new. Yeah, but that's pretty, they have a track sniffing. You're your imagination, though. Yeah, but that's pretty to have a track sniffing. You do your imagination though. Well, this is like a classic body imagination. And I like a classy look. I like old school stuff like that 20s, 30s. I'm a 70s for sure. 70s?

Yeah, I guess so. That's hippie like no thank you dude. No, like Ferra Fawcett or, you know what I mean? They do like the crazy flowy hair. Maybe yeah, so like that. Yeah, looks like I'm barefoot. All right. What about you, hair. Maybe they are. So like that. Yeah, looks like I'm barefoot. That's right.

What about you, Doug? You're the last man through all that, so. Yeah. But back in the, Doug's like 90s, 1890s. Yeah, fantastic. I love like the late 50s, early 60s, the styles. I mean, they had very form fitting dresses.

They dressed well. I kind of wish we would go back to those days in a way. This is what has prompted me to go out and wear suit, you know, out to eat sometimes. People just tried a lot more back then for sure. They did. They did. They put themselves together.

But you know what I think, you know why though? They didn't go out a lot. That's why I think they did that. Really? What would you think that? You think they could afford to go out to dinner every day? Back in the days. Yeah, of course they still do. What do you mean, of course? How often do you guys go out

to dinner when you were kid? Well, we're poor, okay. But most people didn't have a ton of money to go out all the time. That's all relative. It's all relative. It depends on who you are. Yeah. Okay.

Dinner was only 50 cents back then, too. Yeah, but you only made 25 cents in hell. I know, but I mean, it's all relative. I think they still went out just as much and did. In fact, I would argue they probably went out more as far as like the socialization of people back then compared it out. You had to go to plays and movies and dinners and stuff like that.

Well, I do not have, Steve, they didn't have streaming internet at home. Well, no, you're right. You're right, because I do know that the live music was a thing all the time. Well, no, you're right, because I know my grandmother when I was a kid when she'd take me to the grocery store

and she'd watch us and she couldn't believe. She's like, when we were going anywhere, we used to make sure that we looked presentable. You know, you ever go to the grocery store and you see like, slippers. Kids walk around pajamas. Pajamas. Yeah. Actual pajamas.

Like teenage kids in pajamas, walk around. I just like go to Walmart and see what people wear. That's the worst, my favorite. No, I'm with you, Doug. I do, I think that we, I miss that, that era of just, and I would go with the 50s too. I like the 50s, because that's a, Bumpy Johnson, that whole movie is around that time too, right?

That's the 60s. Yeah, 50s, 60s, even the 60s I'd say is like that too, is cool. But yeah, we're, we're, I don't know, right? I'm also the guy who wears sweats to work every day. So, and I have for fitness, we can do two decades, you know? Yeah, this industry kind of ruined us for that, yeah, I remember that. But when I go out, I actually, so I dress more comfortable in here than when I go out, I try and, and at least,

spice it up a little bit. Yeah, yeah, look super nice. Yeah, I'm a super nice person. I'm gonna do my hair, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm feeling. I brushed presentable. I do my hair, you know what I'm saying? Brush my lips. Let my hair to high notes. Yeah. You brush your hair. Okay, Dan. Hey, so I'm gonna take his back to health and fitness a little bit. Have you guys heard of the theory?

Can Abinoid deficiency syndrome? No, I've mentioned this a long time ago. I don't know. Okay, I say that. So there's a theory that people who tend to suffer from like mild forms of autoimmune type issues, you know, skin issues, people who tend to have gut issues, low levels of chronic inflammation may have a deficiency in endocannabinoids. So endocannabinoids are chemicals

that we only identified after we started studying the cannabis plant, that's why they're called cannabinoids. Anandamide is one of them, there's another, I can't remember the other one, but anyway, they have functions in the body that modulate, among other things, modulate the immune system, help modulate inflammation. And for some reason, the theory is, is that, and this is gaining some steam, that some

people just don't produce enough of these. They just don't produce. And so these people would probably benefit the most from supplementing with phyto-canabinoids, which are cannabinoids found in plants, like the hemp plant. So this may be why some people will supplement with like Ned, for example, the company we work with, has full spectrum, right? So it's got all the cannabinoids. Why some people like, this is a total game changer for me.

Everything feels much better. And other people, like, like, I like it, you know, but it's not like it doesn't change my life completely. They think that some people, this is like, you know, it's like having too low of a whore mount or too little of a particular neurotransmitter that supplementing with his phytocanabinoids helps bring your body back to homeostasis.

So, so there has been reports of people that have felt like it's really helped repair their gut and issues like that. Oh, no, that's not even just reports. There's data on that. Yeah, there's data that cannabinoids can have profound effects on gut inflammation and on gut health.

They, in fact, their pharmaceutical companies are looking into using cannabinoids as a way to work on stuff like that. Tons of cannabinoid receptors all over the body, but the gut, the brain, the gut, the organs, the liver, very, very densely packed with these receptors. You know, this is interesting. Like, we didn't even know anything about the cannabinoids, the receptors or anything like that until we got into cannabis and allowing that to be studied. That's true.

You know, the irony of that, it's also why it gets mocked too, because those receptors are all over your body. And if you have something that potentially modulates things like what you're talking about, then it has the potential like has the potential to help so many things. And so I think that's also almost what gives it a bad rap or people kind of scoff at it. They're like, oh yeah, cannabis, right? The magical.

Yeah, yeah, helps you with everything, right? And I think that's unfortunate because of that, because it does potentially help so many different things for different people that it gets kind of this like, I don't know. So here's sort of get more, not to go to in the weeds, they're called, it's a type of a G-protein coupled receptor.

G-protein coupled receptors sit on the outside of a cell. When you activate them, they tell the cell to do something on the inside. So G-protein coupled receptors are the most commonly targeted receptors by pharmaceutical companies. So if you're a pharmaceutical company, you're trying to elicit a response in the body, you wanna target these receptors

because you know if you do, it'll cause something to happen in the cell. Okay. The cannabinoid receptor is one of the most abundant G protein coupled receptors in the body, if not the most abundant G-protein coupled receptors in the body, if not the most abundant. So along the lines of what you're saying, Adam, when you take something that interacts with this receptor

like net, use net, right, full spectrum hempoil, or let's say you go and you actually use cannabis, which has THC in it, which also acts on these things. And then you have people like, it helps my headaches, oh, but it helps my back pain. Oh, this makes me sleep better, but this one gives me more energy. My joy, this helps my gut.

And people like, how can I do all those things? Well, this receptor is so abundant throughout the body. And we know that the cannabinoid receptors act like modulators. So in other words, it's like a like a dim switch on a light, it can either turn light up or turn light down, your body decides what you need. So when it comes to like immune issues, in some cases, it helps with the immune system. In other cases, it helps bring down the immune system. Yeah, it can bring you down or bring it, depending on essentially what your body needs. So that's why people have been,

they've been so critical, but the science actually shows like, no, no, there are broad ranging effects. And that's why some people, they need this, they get that out of it, these people need that, and they get this other thing out of it. You know, before we hang up and do our shout out,

I wanna address what I saw on the YouTube channel yesterday. And we've got somebody who is trying to pretend like they are personating us. Yeah. And they're trying to get people to text them to win their free prize or what about that? We don't do that. That's not us. Yeah. We do not do that. There's no free prizes. You get a free program. We do one per show. And we let you know in the comments. And you won. That's right.

So, look out for somebody who's doing that. I don't know, the unfortunate part about this one is, because I've seen people trying to do it before, but this person actually photoshopped the logo that we have and then even titled their name really close to what we have. So, it's... You could tell it's not us, because if you click on it and look at their close to what we have. So it's- You could tell it's not us because if you click on it and look at their page, they have no videos, it's not us.

Is that how you could tell? That's right. Did you basically- Yeah, basically, you have to click on it. And you do it. Yeah, so it's a pretty common thing, especially as you two channels grow. We deal with it on like a pretty much a weekly basis to this point. And they can just recreate channels all the time.

So if we ever push to WhatsApp, Telegram, that's not us. We're always going to reach out to you and tell you what you're doing. We're not going to show you Bitcoin. We're never going to have you text us. We're never going to have you. By the way, along those lines, I know we're going along here Doug, but one of my favorite things in the world, ever, is videos of people on the phone with scammers, hacking the scammers computers, showing the scammers that they have control

of the computers and showing them their location. Have you seen these? Oh yeah, they're on the phone. The guy's like, yes, give me your banking data. And then he sends them a picture of the building because they keep satellite imagery of the building. And he takes control of their laptop. And you hear them at the background, oh, fuck, they have us. Oh, everybody on terrific. He's like, I, you know, they're all freaking out and panicking. It's my favorite thing. I've never seen that. Oh, that's the greatest He's like, they're all freaking out and panicking. That's my favorite thing. I've never seen that. Oh, that's the greatest thing.

We're watching that after we get on. Oh, that's my favorite. All right, do the shout out, because this page. So there's a guy going viral right now. I'm probably hundreds of people have sent him to me now. And he's a great videos. He is a professional power lifter. And he's real kind of a wiry thin guy.

So he doesn't look like, and he wears like a janitorial outfit. Yeah, and they put like a, he has beer growing out and he's all hat on and some of that and he's mopping the floor always and he always goes around to like the biggest, most jack dude that's either dead lifting or squatting or rowing or doing some like heavy ass weight and he will walk over and he'll like pick it up with one hand or like mop underneath it while he will walk over and he'll like pick it up with one hand, or he'll like mop underneath it. He'll mop underneath it while he's holding it and does some of that.

So it's a good page, dude, super strong. What is it? It's Vladimir something, Doug. What is it? It's Shmandanko. Shmandanko. Vladimir Shmandanko. It's VLADIMIRSHMONDENKO.

Yeah, I've had an experience with this. I remember those of dude at golds once I saw, he looked like it was 160 pounds, laid down on the bench, puts four plates on, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna have to go help him. And start to rep it on. Some people are just crazy strong. Yeah, and not that big.

Yeah, this dude is like that for sure. Just be free. Hey look, most children's vitamins are basically candy. They're gummy candy and you don't even know if they actually have what they say they have in them. Well, not higher. Higher is not gummy candy. It's non-JMO, it's dairy free, allergy free,

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thank you, like like for everything that you do. I've been listening for a couple of years now and I can honestly say that you guys are a big part of why I'm still here today. I actually suffered from anterectia a few years ago and I can just listening to you guys that actually helped me immensely of like just getting to a healthy way and being discharged from the hospital and everything. So I just wanted to say thank you for that before I ask you my questions. Hell yeah, man.

It's awesome. So basically my question is, I'm at a crossroads with my training at the moment. I'm at a crossroads with my training at the moment. Currently, I weigh about 54 KGs, which is like 120 pounds, I'm about five foot six. I have tracked in the past, tracked my calories and my protein, and I have been getting rough about two grams of protein per kilogram of body weight and been eating between 3,000 to 3,500 calories. But I'm just struggling to put on any weight or size and my main goal is to just like obviously

just try bulk up, get a a bit bigger stronger but also just maintain a bit of athleticism because I have plates for to my life and I do still enjoy doing that and I will admit that I do love to train and I do so about five to six times a week so yeah I'm just wondering what you are thoughts are. Did you say you're eating 3 eating 3000 calories too? Is that what I heard? Yeah. That's a lot. Yeah. Are you especially someone who struggle with the energy? Yeah, that's pretty, that's actually incredible. That's pretty good. Uh, you got to fast metabolism. All right. So do you have any of our programs?

I'm not. I don't. I've been just following. I'm a push pro lakes kind of split. All right. All right. Here's what I'm gonna do for you because you want you want to build muscle You want to bulk up, but you also want to have some athleticism, okay? Yeah Here's what I'm gonna do and I like you too because you came on here You're young and you made yourself vulnerable told us some you know some stuff about you took a lot of courage I'm gonna give you the biggest bundle that we have. I'm gonna give you the Super Bundle. The Super Bundle has got some of our best programs. Here's what I want you to do. I want you to start with Maps and Obolic.

Then I want you to move to Maps Performance. And then from there, you can pick and go in other directions, but I like to go Maps aesthetic after that. I think that's gonna be the best combination. In that Super Bundle, we also have Maps Prime and Doug, is that it? Is that all we have in there? Is there any other stuff in there that we have? Maps anywhere, is that no?

Okay, and then Maps anywhere is in there. That's a good program for if you're ever away from the gym, but you want to keep exercising. But the programs I want you to follow in order, Maps and a ball, maps performance, maps aesthetic and continue to hit those calorie targets about 3,500 calories a day. And I think you'll do just fine. I think you'll put on some good strength and muscle. The mass performance, you know, programs and help you with athleticism. So you can have everything you need there. That's good. That's a good nine months of workouts planned out for you. I have, I do have one. I have one question in regards to your training volume

in relation to your athletic endeavors. How often are you playing sports or doing cardio a week? I'm not playing any at the moment. So I just, yeah, I'm not playing any sports. I'm actually just starting my first year of university. So I'll be focusing mainly on that. But I just still I still want to be able to on the on the athletic. You want the athletic you still want to be athletic. Okay. Okay. Okay. I just want to make sure. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's what Sal said is perfect. And I just want to make

sure that you weren't doing, you know, playing some sport three times a week in addition to training five six times a week. Because then that might be one of the reasons why we're not building or putting on size. I tell you to pull back on some of the training volume. And then, so I'm all good. I'm still training five six times a week, you really do. Yeah, follow our programs at their laid out. Yeah, Anna Bulk is actually three times in the gym, but you'll be doing trigger sessions on the other days.

Okay, okay, so it is. Yeah, so there's still other exercises and stuff, but follow the program as it's laid out, it'll work, it'll definitely work. And then I want you, did you listen to any of our episodes with Jason Phillips? Yes, I did. Oh, wonderful, okay, so you could totally relate, right?

He also had some anorexia, and now he's like, he's got one of the best certification courses for coaches and trainers. So good, I'm glad he listened to us. Follow the program, follow the programs that we get. My main problem. Go ahead. My main problem is just having like accountability,

accountability. Sometimes I get caught away with going to the gym. Yeah, just. Now I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that. So, you know, why don't we put you in the forum too?

Let's get you in the forum. I want you to give us that so you know, why don't we put you in the forum to let's get you in the forum I want you to give us give us some you know kind of some some updates on how you're doing and stuff like that that'll help with the accountability Sweet as thank you so much guys. It's honestly. I can't I can't tell you how grateful I am we're grateful for you and I'm thanks for staying up so late. I know you're over in New Zealand I must be what time is it over there? I'm not actually only six in the morning. So Stay that that's not too bad. All right, man. All right. Well, let us know how it goes. Okay Yeah, thank you so much. You got it. I never see a day. You two you have to get work. Thanks buddy

We're taking that out of your paycheck. Yeah, I can't help can't help it. I see a kid like that, talking like that. What do you want, kid? Anything you want. Anything you want. Anything you want. Anything you want. Yeah, that's good though. I mean, again, like a young, I get it, dude, because we want to set them out on the right

path and it's definitely somebody that's motivated to do the right things. I could totally. Hey, 18 years old coming off of anorexia eating 3000 calories a day is pretty easy doing great yeah what a you know reversal do it's an offer and if he follows those programs as they're laid out I mean he's gonna put on some size he'll put on some strength in size and by the way for the audience that might be wondering why we didn't do a lot of conversation around food and adding a bunch of food you have somebody who's had food had an issue with his relationship you don't want to put too much focus that's right you don't need to put a bunch of food. You have somebody who's had food, had an issue with his relationship. You don't want to put too much focus on food.

That's right. You don't need to put a bunch of stress, especially if he's already eating 3,000 calories. Guys eating good. Is he good? Just train a little more effectively and continue hitting that 3,300,500 range. You don't want someone like that to be hyper focused on food and be obsessive. He's already been that person already. So that's the reason why even though it sounded like a nutrition question, what should

I do? And we didn't even go there. That's the reason why. Our next caller is Deanna from Massachusetts. Deanna, how's it going? How can we help you? Hi guys. How are you?

Good to meet you all. Good. How can we help you? Thanks for taking my question. I'm really excited for your answer to this one. So this question is for those of us who are genetically predisposed for muscle growth in certain areas or if you're satisfied with muscle growth in certain areas and how to modify a program accordingly. So a little bit of background. I'm 42 years old. I've

been working out consistently for almost two years. I've been starting I'm starting my journey doing a split program, training to failure. And then when I've discovered you guys about a year and a half ago, I realized I was overtraining, under-eating, and then doing way too much cardio. So I made some changes, reluctantly gave up cardio that was hard for me. But I completed two rounds of maps and a ballic and developed a measure of glutes for the first time in my life.

So I've been a huge fan of you guys since then. So I'm naturally bulky on top. I don't know if you can tell from the pictures I sent you. I've always had a boxy figure. So when I started lifting, I felt like I kind of blew up on top. It didn't take long to sculpt my shoulders and my back and my chest.

And looking back, I'm not sure if I even built that much muscle, it might have already been there, but this is not a flex or a brag. It's actually been a huge insecurity of mine. So my lower body is a completely different story. I need a lot of work on my quad development, my hamstring, and some side glue development. So I'm currently doing a split program on my day through Friday. And my question, again, for those of us with the natural and some side glue development. So I'm currently doing a split program Monday through Friday and my question again, for those of us with the natural disposition for muscle growth in one area, how do we modify a program so that we can maintain

what we've built in that area, but also get maximum growth in another area. So specifically, how would that look? I would love you guys' perspective on that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait change, don't change this, please. Yeah, do you have that TikTok hold on a second? I got another question. By the way, you're North to 40. No, no, hold on a second.

You're over 40 also. Do you have that TikTok filter or it makes you look like you're, yeah, are you wearing, are you using that filter on TikTok that makes you look like a kid? Cause I swear to God. No. Okay, when you started talking, I'm like, oh, it's, you know, it's 19 year old kids

gonna have some fitness questions. All right, you got great genetics. I'm not giving you any advice. There questions. All right, you got great genetics. I'm not giving you any advice. There's no way I want you to change that. Your shoulder, arm, ab, you look incredible. This is actually, you know what, this is conversations for, we need to get in your,

this is your own psychological thing that's going on and we gotta work through that. We don't need to do anything to the physique. Yeah, I'm sorry. We can't help you. No, I'm out. Now I look, look, I'm gonna answer your question. Now that we told you our opinion,

okay, because that's our opinion. You look amazing. I think you have your blessed with incredible genetics for muscle building, which is great. Look, here's the beauty of strength training or one of the unique factors around strength training. It's the only form of exercise where you can pick and choose areas of the body to develop.

So it's as easy as this, okay? This is as easy as it is. You look at your total volume for the week, and you trade volume from upper body to lower body. That's also, if you're doing, let's say, you know, for the whole week, 12 sets for shoulders. And you're like, you know what, my shoulders look amazing.

I don't wanna develop any more. I'm gonna just do three sets for shoulders. Well, now you have nine sets left over that you could add to your hamstrings or your quads or your glutes. And you could do this all over the place. So take your most developed body parts or the areas that you're like,

look, they respond so easily, so well. I don't need to do a lot of work for them. Take those remaining sets and then put them towards areas of your body that you wanna develop. That's as easy as it is. Just call me once a week and I'll tell you how good you look. You don't need to change anything. I'll work on this insecurity with you.

Just give me a call once a week. The bottom of the bottom does not look that good. It doesn't match. My top is like, whoa, but like I said, I spare you my butt picks, but it does not. Okay, so that's fair. Okay, so that's understandable that you, because I think your upper body looks incredible.

Now, if you say that your lower body just there, it sounds advice is exactly right. And so, lay off of some days when you would normally do some shoulders or chest work and upper body stuff and just sub in more leg training and more glute training. So that's your- Are you following a MAP program? I was, right now I your following a maps program?

I was. Right now I'm following a split program. Okay, which puts me in a mapset. I'm doing advanced after. I would love to see you on a static. Oh, yeah, a mapsetetic is great. Static and hamstring glue focus. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, mapsetetic. I do. I have maps mask and I'm not a mask. Yeah, do that and actually put your focus as hamstring and glutes. Yeah. And make those your two primary focus and and then that it'll do the program will do the rest because it's designed to be that way. And then still

if you feel the upper body is still way more. You just cut back on some of the upper body stuff. But yeah, now you look you look phenomenal. Hey, Deanna, I'm going to ask you a question. I want you to answer right away. Okay. So right when I ask you the question, you give me the answer.

Okay, ready? All right. What year were you born? What year were you born? 1980. Oh my God. She is 42. Wow.

All right. Well, we're going to send you maps aesthetic and trade the volume. That'll be That'll be your best bet. Are you are you in our forum or no? No, I'd love to be all right Doug doesn't put you in our forum and then we'll keep you up Yeah, that's where you can tag me once a week and I'll keep reminding you Awesome. Thank you. I need it. All right. You got it. Thanks for calling in Thank you guys. Have a good day.

Have a good one. Thanks you too. Bye. Listen, I am glad we record these because if you're watching this on YouTube, okay, we're not exaggerating. When she was first talking, like, oh, again, another kid on the show has got a question about exercise. And I looked up 42 years old, like this, there's a typo.

There's no way. Andrew will be able to add the photos that she sent us to, right? Yeah. Yeah. Bro, her upper body is badass. Yeah, she's got one of those, she's definitely got the like,

competitive type jeans. I mean, if that's two years of lifting and that's what her upper body looks like. And not like, not trying to get that, like I'm sure she's super hard about her lower body. I'm sure it looks pretty good already. You know, I get that like wants to like match it. Yeah.

So I had so my actually my very first client that I got ready for a show. This was her this was her issue. She had great upper butt like great shoulders and arms and but her legs. She had cellulite on the back of her hamstrings. She had issues. She just her legs did not, so that was a main focus for us. So I get it, like at first I thought she was just like overall, she was not happy with her physique, and I'm like, you gotta be crazy. But I get, I understand that.

Yeah, the whole balance thing, especially when you're that well developed in one area, it's not hard to be unbalanced. Yeah, and when you're that, what's cool is that when you're that well developed in upper body, you can really lay off of it. She can do, she can do very little, very, very, very minimal of that. And that's how I would, that's basically if I was coaching her what we would do is we would scale back on the amount of upper body days down to one or two. Exactly.

And then straight it, traded in for more hamstring and glute bridges and more, more work like that in addition to her foundational days in aesthetic. And then just based off of what we see happening, we may even peel back more. I may skip every other week if her upper body still feels that dominant, she doesn't like it, but I mean, she looks incredible, man.

42. I know. Our next caller is Steve from California. Steve, what's happening? How can I help you? Hey guys, thanks for having me. Big fan of the show. Thank you.

And appreciate everything you guys do. And before I get into my question, I just want to give you guys some background. So I started lifting consistently last May, and I was trying to do a body recomb. So I was in a calorie deficit and lifting. And in the beginning, I went to the gym three to four times a week and Eventually that turned into five to six times a week and I'd always take my steps to failure and

Everything was fine until a couple months ago when I started noticing I wasn't able to lift as heavy and my performance started to decline and Then I started having trouble sleeping So it started with just waking up early around five. That wasn't too bad, but now it's like, I'm waking up multiple times a night, just like tossing and turning, it's like a battle. And a month ago, I changed my gym routine. So I took the D-load week,

and since then I've been going three times a week, and I'm also reverse dieting, but I'm still having trouble sleeping. So my question is, do you guys think I'm overtraining and should I take like a weaker two-off and I could just use any advice? Yeah, so you were overtraining pretty hard and it takes longer than a week to come out of that. So I would do, yeah, I would do like to come out of that. So I would do, yeah, I would do like three or four weeks of D-Load workouts. So almost a month, we're really you're focusing on mobility, you're focusing on getting a little bit of a pump, you're just kind of remaining active.

And then when you get back at it, do not train failure all the time. Failure can be effective, but it has to be programmed appropriately. And even then, I would save it for more advanced lifters anyway. I say after three, four weeks of letting your body recover, I would do like maps and a ball. That would be the program I'd put you on. Do you have that program? No, I don't. That would be the program I'd put you on, Steve.

You don't like math 15, right? I mean, yeah, we could totally do math 15 as well. I mean, either one would be great, but I mean, I think, what do you guys think? I think it needs like a few weeks of like, well, yeah, and why I think with math 15, he's gonna be kind of forced to do it. You're only doing two exercises.

Oh, in terms of the D-Lum part? Yeah, that's a great, that's a great, for a month at least. Yeah, that's great. So, so go ahead Adam. Yeah, no, I was just thinking to switch to that and just switch that program. That will naturally bring down the volume

from what he's currently doing. And I think that program is a great program anyways. Two exercises a day. Two exercises a day and don't train to failure. I think that's gonna be enough to scale back on his body. I think that'll give him some good recovery. So Steve, so in other words, we'll send you Mass 15, follow that program as it's laid out. When you're done with that, then go to Mass Antibullet. Yeah, I know. them some good recovery. So Steve, so in other words, we'll send you Mass 15, follow that program as it's laid out.

When you're done with that, then go to Mass Antibullet. Yeah, I think it'll be said. I like that. Okay. How long have you been reversed dieting too? Have you just really started to increase your calories? It's been about a month, and the scale is still the same. Oh, that's good. So I'm eating around maintenance right now.

But before I was doing maybe like 2000, like 2100 maybe calories, but now I'm like at 26. Oh, okay. It's not too bad. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, and you said your sleep is still kind of like if he are, is there like what's your last meal during the day? Just I'm curious if that's the third all.

Yeah, I'm doing like intermediate you're doing it fasting too. So I break my fast at 11 and then my last meals are on six. Okay. I think you should eat something in the morning because you're over-trained and you're kind of recovering. It doesn't have to be a big meal but have like a protein meal in the morning. So like maybe some eggs, something like that. Or creatures of habit. Yeah, or yeah, exactly. Creatures of habits got a really good oatmeal with with some protein in it. But you know, have like a protein meal. I wouldn't do it long fast right now because you're you're coming out of a hole.

Okay. And so I should probably just keep it like for like four to six weeks then. Yeah. Maps 15 will be the perfect program during that time. Yeah. Map 15 and just don't don't be trying to hit PRs. Stay off of training to failure. Yeah, follow it's laid out. That'll do, that'll do the work for you. That with your reverse dieting, the advice Sal is giving you to. I wouldn't be doing any sort of fasting right now.

Eat when you're hungry, make good healthy choices and then see how you feel after that. Because like the weird thing is too, like, I, my body is gone used to intermittent fasting too, so I just don't feel hungry. I'm just the only time I really feel hungry, weirdly, is in the morning. When I wake up at 3 in the morning, so that's the only time. Eat a small bowl of oatmeal, watch what happens.

Yeah, small bowl of oatmeal in breakfast. Yeah, breakfast. With some protein. I like to see breakfast. What do you have it? Yeah. It meal in the breakfasts. Yeah, breakfasts. With some protein. I like to see breakfasts. What do you want to have it? Yeah. Second breakfasts. Yeah.

That'll help for sure stimulate the appetite. Yeah, I was just coming from that, by the way, too. I had skipped breakfast. I wasn't eating till two o'clock in the afternoon for quite some time. I reached the habit of oatmeal because I wasn't hungry. So I'm like, let me get some light and easy within like literally a week. I've told these guys I'm like starving now in the morning. So what's the link for that?

Does anybody love Doug? Do you know what the link is for creatures of habit? Uh, boy, let me look it up. I think it's creatures of habit.com forward slash mind pump, but I'll double check. Well, just so our audience knows, because I answer this question all the time. Anytime we talk about a product that we're partnered with

or affiliated with, if you Google mind pump partners, you find all the products, all the discount codes. I know, we're just counting. Yeah, so it is creatures of habit.com for a social media. MindPump and creatures is spelled with a K. Yeah, that's a good first meal. Okay. All right, Steve.

All right, Steve. And we'll send you a mass of 15 and a mass in a bottle, okay? All right, appreciate you guys. Thank you, brother. You got a good one. Thanks for calling. Yeah, that's the thing with training to failure, is that you will fry yourself so hard

So fast and then getting out of it is just sucks So I mean he did what do you do five weeks of that or yeah a few weeks of that five days six weeks? It's addictive because of the initial results. Yes Experience with that and like how strong you feel but yeah, it it diminishes Yeah, if you program it right you can really reap the benefits and mitigate some of the negatives, but most people actually stay ahead of it. I wonder how long you've been listening to show. It's like something we've been talking about for a long time.

Yeah. Our next caller is Jerry from Nevada. Jerry, what's happening? How can we help you? Guys, how you doing? Appreciate what you do. Appreciate your show. Questions as follows.

Sal, I heard you on a podcast a while back earlier this year. The story, your whole story on fitness nutrition and how it's evolved over the years. Basically 45 years old, I have a wife and four kids. The coach in the NFL for the last 10 years. And exercising nutrition has always been important to me. Due to the demands of the job, it gets a little crazy during the season, my nutrition, my sleep suffer tremendously. I would say that exercise, or the exercise portion,

I'm able to fit in or squeeze in a little bit. I do about, I'd say in the off season, about six days a week during the season, about four to five. I'd say I go through this cycle where during the season, everything suffers. I put on about 10 pounds of bad weight in the off season. I end up really basically getting really strict to take it off, which is good. But then I just follow this vicious cycle. Basically, what kind of program do you recommend maps program for me?

And is there one that I could do during the season and out of the season that might be a little different or more beneficial. Yeah, maps 15 during the season, maps 15 during the season and then off season I do something like animal. So Jared, you obviously know you obviously know fitness at a much higher level than most people. Have you experimented with yourself with like you with small frequent workouts versus longer, less frequent workouts. In other words, instead of doing an hour workout today, I did three 20 minute workouts. That's one example.

Have you tried experimenting that with yourself? I haven't done that throughout the course of a day. I've done smaller, hit workouts at times, just to fit one in in maybe for 20 minutes, but I haven't like split it up. I'm telling you, so someone like you, this is, you really appreciate it. Yeah, someone like you, this is, I think you'll like this. So you can split up workouts in many different ways, but it's really remarkable.

And I've been talking about this on our podcast for a little while, where instead of doing like a one, one hour workout, which is traditionally what I'll do, it just works best with my schedule, because then I can block off that workout, go to work to my thing. If I have a day where I, this is available, and I haven't done this for convenience, although I can see how this can help with convenience as well, I do this for performance. We're all take my hour workout, and I'll do three 20 minute workouts, and my body just responds phenomenally. Now I've done

this with clients in the past as well. I did it for them for convenience. It wasn't for performance and all of them got better results. So it's it's it's I don't quite know what's occurring in the body but if you look at old Soviet era studies on Olympic weightlifting, they experimented quite a bit with these kind of all day short workouts and they also saw some pretty incredible performance effects. So maybe do something like that where you have like a suspension trainer available or bands or body weight. And you're like, look, I don't have an hour to do my workout, but I know I could do like three or four, ten minute workouts.

And they're not hit. It's like I'm going and like beating the crap out of myself for ten minutes. So I'm not trying to make up for it with intensity. I'm literally doing like, you know, three sets of a strength training exercise rather than doing 10 sets of different exercises and just spreading it out throughout the whole day. And man, it's pretty remarkable.

I would love someone like you to do this because of your expertise to get some feedback. If it's feasible to do that I mean definitely not gonna be doing that in the season He's not gonna have the time to do that in the season off season. He could potentially do that Well, it's putting it up with putting up putting up during the season look at also he's got he these are varieties He hit he gravitate source hit interval crossfit peloton P90 X. Yeah, so I would recommend Maps 15 as like your staple program during the season off season I would run an anabolic type of program.

Well, let me ask you this. Would it be easier for you when you're busy to do like like instead of one 45 minute workout, three 15 minute workouts or 10 minute workouts or is that, is that doesn't matter? Is it, is it, is it either, I think that's feasible during the season. Like right now in the off season, we're still busy, but not nearly as busy during the season. So I could do the 45 minute to an hour workout in the morning and all that during the season.

And I think it'd probably be something we're trying. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I might be able to get, it might only be two, 15 minute segments, but it's better than none. Yeah. And then, massive team will give you a little bit of a layout for what that would look like. There's two versions, ones with the barbell and ones with the suspension trainer.

So the barbell version is what we call the advanced version, the suspension trainer one. That's the version that's kind of for everybody. So you can see the layout and kind of see how it works, follow it as laid out or modify it, because you obviously know what you're doing, and kind of follow that format and see how your works, follow it as laid out or modify it, because you obviously know what you're doing, and kind of follow that format and see how your body responds.

But I think it's pretty remarkable. I had a PR and deadlifts training this way at 44 years old, and I didn't expect that to happen, doing these kind of micro workouts. It's pretty wild. Sure. I think in the off season, that's fine. In season four kids, NFL, travel, stress, I'm not pushing off season that's fine in season four kids NFL travel stress

I'm not pushing you like that. I'm gonna train you I'm a 20 minutes 20 minutes a day And that's that's all you need not hit not not high intensity moving like crazy Two good barbell movements that's gonna pack on muscle mitigate the stress in season You got a lot on your plate already and that's how the nutrition in and going that direction or so and strengthening. That's the hard part. I mean, I would say it starts with the lack of sleep probably and at least a bad nutrition in that, you know.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And you don't need more. That's not what you need right now. That's what you do is you balance it out in season off season. When you have a little bit more flexibility, then we can get after the hour workouts or do the splitting a workout up two or three times in a day like Sal is saying, but no, I would not let you do that in season. I don't think that's a good idea at all.

Yeah, Massive Seen is great for that because it's a consistency thing. At least you're getting that frequency, so you're still getting stimulation, you're that muscle signal. And so it's really remarkable, like how little you have to do to be able to keep progress going forward. Doug, you send him over a map 15 and send him a map Santa Bolog also.

And then Jerry wins it. When does it start to ramp up? Because obviously it gets going a little bit earlier for you guys to get prepared. It's something that we usually like end of July, 20th or 20 seconds something like that and that's when we start training camp So okay, um, I think that is not too bad. So right now you so right now you do have the time to run Anabolic, which is what I'd run right now to get you ready for when the season starts to happen when the season kicks in Then I'd switch over to Maps 15.

Okay, great. Yep. You got it, man. I appreciate it, guys. Thanks so much. Yeah, we appreciate support. Thank you. No problem. You love good work.

That's cool when you get someone, his caliber calling us. Yeah, yeah. I love it. But, you know, here's a thing with the smaller workouts is not to push him, not to push himself, but to break up the day,

it helps with nutrition because he keeps fitness on your mind himself, but to break up the day, it helps with nutrition because he keeps fitness on your mind and it's less demanding on the body, not more demanding, it's less demanding. So my point with that was if he's thinking to himself, okay, I think I'm going to do a, I think I'm going to do a hard 30 minute workout today. I bet you three, 10 minute workouts, you know, obviously would probably be easier on his body than the full 30 minute workout. And also it sounds like based off what he said with his hip workouts,

is he's making up for it with intensity, which I get, but that's where people screw up a little bit. Four kids, a profession like the NFL, getting to access to weights multiple times in the day, two or three times. No, not the way to be in either way. I have to meet. Well, no, it would be bodyweight, band.

I mean, you can't do that right now. I could totally, could it, 10 minutes, 10 minutes at a time? Absolutely. Well, now you're saying 10. You were originally saying three, 20 minute workouts. If you, it depends on the time, like the total time, right? It could be three, five minute. It could be, my point with it is,

is being active throughout the day tends to work out better than picking one blow. It sounds like he was leaning a bit on the intensity of the cardiovascular to kind of make up for that energy exchange. And I think that if he just realizes he can stick with strength training, but like less and have it consistent, he's going to get much further than he would with this like spinning wheel approach.

One 15 to 20 minute workout a day for a guy. That would be plenty. Yeah, especially like his. Look his background. Pro, the NFL, the stress level that these guys traveling and the. Well, just the interrupt of meetings like constantly like he's just going to have his hands full. I forgot that the Raiders were in Nevada and and Vegas.

Yeah, yeah, because I saw Nevada and I was like, oh, yeah, have you guys seen that? That stadium? Yes, remarkable. I haven't been. I was like, oh, yeah, have you guys seen that that stadium? Yeah, it's remarkable I haven't been I haven't been inside. I want to go in. You know, I just got Jimmy G So yeah, I'm gonna guess I'm at the page. Maybe Jerry will hear this and shoot us some tickets Make it a little value-ate Our CPA are marketing teams there. So maybe we'll come fly over there and see the Raiders play on it. An animal train you put it up. Look, if you like mine pump, head over to minepumpfree.com.

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