Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2059: How to Balance Out the Right & Left Sides of the Body, the Ideal Rest Period to Build the Most Muscle to Strength, How to Train When Chronically Fatigued & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? Today's episode we answered live caller's questions, but this was after a 62 minute introductory conversation. We're going to talk about fitness, current events, scientific studies, our families, and

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Starting point is 00:01:34 All right, here comes the show. Here's an unlikely supplement that can actually help you build muscle. Probiotics. It's right. Some studies show that having the right kind of bacteria in your gut increases the absorption of key amino acids, what's that mean? Well, it means that the protein that you eat

Starting point is 00:01:55 is better utilized for building muscle. This may be why some people can eat less protein and get better gains than other people. Of course, there's lots of other factors, but this may be one of those factors. It's pretty freaking remarkable. Cool thing is that probiotics are inexpensive. They also help with digestion, inflammation, and they just make you feel better.

Starting point is 00:02:14 So if you're trying to build muscle, this may be the next supplement you should invest in. On a scale of one being worthless, ten being the best way to use it, Where would you rate the way I use my probiotics? Correctly. Describe it. Fuck I said myself. Man. Man. The bottle says take it or leave. No, you know how it. Jesus. I laid that one up. I'm not gonna say that. Jesus, I laid that one up for you. I think you use it, so you use it more acutely.

Starting point is 00:02:46 Yes, right? So the way I'm not very consistent with taking every single day, but what I'm good about doing is, you do like preemptively badly, you all take this. Yeah, I know, like Katrina loves, you know, burgers, right? That's like her favorite, like,

Starting point is 00:03:00 I do, I do, I do, I put it on my blame her. My wife likes to go to my house, you know. And yeah, I think ownership of my ice cream addiction, but the burgers are her fault. So, or pizza, right? Those are two probably the things. And both those things are just like a gut bomb for me. I know that they're amazing going down,

Starting point is 00:03:18 but I can just count on the next 24 hours after that, just being like, just not feeling great, right? Feeling the blow, the stool being off et cetera. But when I do a good job of remembering to take my seed right before I go into that meal, it really mitigates how I feel from it. So I know it's working and it helps, but honest, if I had to have you rate me on a scale of one to 10 as far as the effectiveness of that, what would you kind of rate that? So the best analogy I could give would be this, right?

Starting point is 00:03:50 So there are clear mood and just general feeling enhancing effects of exercise. Studies will show this, but there's two types or there's, I say, two ways that exercise improves the way you feel. One is the acute release of endorphins, immediate release of catacolomines. I feel good. Two is this kind of compounding effect that over time just gives you a better general sense of well-being. What you're experiencing is something like that.

Starting point is 00:04:21 So you're getting the acute effects, but what you're missing are the cumulative long-term effects, which I think is where you get, I mean, actually not where I think this is where the study show most of the benefits come from. So using it on a daily basis, way better. Now you're still getting some benefit, it's just way better to use it on a... So you're not just playing catch up

Starting point is 00:04:43 like an intervention kind of a mentality towards it. Yeah, I've been meaning to go in that direction. It is one of those, you know right away, if you have even got issues, how hard it is to make progress with your performance in the gym, or whether or not you're trying to alter your composition or anything, it's like if you're fighting internally,

Starting point is 00:05:03 that's just one of those things. It's gonna set you back. Well, it's like if you're fighting internally, that's just one of those things. It's gonna set you back. Well, it's easy, right? So you mentioned seed that's a company we work with. So literally, this is how you take them. Before you go to bed on an empty stomach, that's it. Keep it on your nightstand with a little bit of water, take it right before you go to bed every single night

Starting point is 00:05:20 and you're set. But this is what, listen to what some of these studies show. Using the right kind of probiotics bacteria improves absorption of glutamine. So glutamine is the most abundant amino acid and skeletal muscle by a hundred and 16%. Ornithine by a hundred percent, trip to fan by a hundred percent. Citro-ling, this is amino acid everybody takes to get a metropump.

Starting point is 00:05:42 A hundred and 28%. Losing 23%, isolucine, 20% and valine by 7%. Those are the branching amino acids that people will supplement with to- Wait a second. So by taking that, I'm getting a butter uptake. Is that what you're saying? Correct. Utilizing more of it.

Starting point is 00:05:59 Correct. Wow. So it would be like eating less protein, but getting the same kind of result. Now, here's what's interesting about that. And I know it's way more complex. I'm not stupid enough to think this is the only thing. It's way more complex than this. But years ago, we interviewed Ben Pekolsky,

Starting point is 00:06:16 a professional IFB bodybuilder. Also, one of the smartest people I've ever met, massive when he was competing, massive bodybuilder. And then now he's tried to reduce his size. he wants to be more athletic, whatever, what's funny about that, he's still giant, but anyway, I remember having this conversation with him, we were interviewing him, and I had this crazy misconception. We were talking about bodybuilders and their crazy genetics, and I remember saying, oh, you know, bodybuilders are so, they're so genetically gifted to build muscle because

Starting point is 00:06:44 this, that, and the other. And man, they must have incredible digestive systems to be able to digest all those calories. And he goes, he looks at him and he goes, no, he goes pro bodybuilders can eat less and build way more muscle. He said, somebody who's not like that would have to eat way more to get that food to turn on the muscle. A bodybuilder could, you know, less calories and still build tons of muscle. And it may, that, this reminded

Starting point is 00:07:09 me of that. It's like, you're giving 50 grams of protein to somebody, 50 grams of protein to their twin identical circumstances, but this person has an optimized gut, let's say, or they're, they use these, these probiotics, they're going to utilize more of those amino acids. So it's just so valuable because everyday life is not perfect. Most people are not hitting their protein targets every single day plus the inflammation, plus the digestive issues, plus all the downstream immunifex that come from that. And probiotics are just, it's an easy, simple, hey, you want to improve your health,

Starting point is 00:07:47 hey, you want to sleep better, you want better skin. Oh, and it builds more muscle. Take this before we go to bed every night. And boom, watch what happens. Well, of course, I mean, it's like the goal isn't to just have to eat 6,000 calories, you know, at some point to get up like way the hell up there in terms of, like it's about like really using the amount of food to it's it's

Starting point is 00:08:07 maximal potential. Doesn't that doesn't that make you wonder like we talk a lot on the show about like, you know, people certain people have these like muscle building genetics. Yeah, that if that maybe that is actually the biggest part of that like it's it's actually less that they have this tendon or skeletal structure or response that happens from it, but it's actually that they can eat significantly less than the average person and utilize the max amount of nutrients. I wouldn't be surprised if that has as much, if not more, to do with what we refer to as like, oh, they have great muscle-building.

Starting point is 00:08:44 I will never forget this. When I first became a trainer back in 1997, I remember there was this guy that worked in the club, Marvin, okay. And he was a porter. So he cleaned the club. So he didn't work the front desk in some time. He literally just cleaned the club. And the dudes, arms were just muscular and jacked, and particularly, there's just triceps. He's just huge triceps. And I remember being, I was a kid, I was in the building muscle, and you know, you noticed this thing's being very impressed,

Starting point is 00:09:12 real nice guy. And I remember being like, oh man, what does he do? So I remember talking to him, and we were hanging out one day, and I was making friends with him or whatever. And he's like, man, I gotta get back into working out. Well, huh? I'm like, what do you mean? You gotta get back into working out. Like, you look crazy. He goes, or whatever. And he's like, man, I gotta get back in a working out. Well, huh? I'm like, what do you mean?

Starting point is 00:09:25 You gotta get back in a working out. I'm like, you look crazy. He goes, well, every once in a while, I'll do some pull-ups and some dips and stuff like that. And I'm like, oh man, I said, you must eat like crazy. I said, for me to build muscle, I have to like, force feed myself. And he goes, now, man, he goes, I don't eat that much at all.

Starting point is 00:09:41 And I'm like, what would you eat today? He goes, I had a pot, I swear to God. He goes, I had a pop tart. And then this is lunch I have. he was eating a 99 cents cheeseburger. So I totally thought it was full of shit. I remember telling my general manager who was my good friend, Don. He's one of my mentors. You guys know he is. And I'm telling him being like, dude, Marvin's full of crap, dude. He's like this and that. He's like totally right it up on whatever he goes. He lives in his car, bro. He lives in his car around

Starting point is 00:10:02 the corner. Like, I can't even afford a house or to play rent. So I'll never forget that. So that was my first taste of like, that's crazy. You know, the dude barely ate, barely worked out. Justin, I had a guy that worked at Santa Teresa at the same time that were. So he, he'll remember him, Jerry. Jerry, yep. And this black, and he was working on, I mean, abs, shoulders, the two was pushing out. He was always two weeks out from stage. And you, if you saw, you skipped breakfast, strong as an ox, love Taco Bell. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:10:37 Eight candy. Like that was like, yeah. And you ask him about his diet. Like that's pretty much what it can provide. And you're just like, what? Yeah. And then you watch the way he trains and train all crazy. He's strong, strong, strong guys, so that, but just, and he looked like that all the time.

Starting point is 00:10:51 So for people who are like thinking, like, oh, this is baloney, like look this up, okay. They don't have studies on muscle building directly yet. They're just studies that show amino acid concentration is going up, which would be a good thing. But they do have studies on animals and fat. And they'll take obese mice and lean mice, and they literally transfer the microbiome of one mouse to the other.

Starting point is 00:11:15 And all of a sudden, this mouse will become obese. This one becomes lean. Nothing else changes. It's very complex, but it just goes to show you how much of an impact this can have. So it's like, you know, if you're just trying to like, look better, a high quality probiotic, it's probably something you should include in your arsenal.

Starting point is 00:11:37 Well, I'm, yeah, imagine I was thinking about that with that study, because it's like, yes, you get the immediate benefits of the bacteria that, you know, help you to promote, like eating better in your habits and whatnot. But overall, your overall health increases substantially on the internally, which allows you, I think, to be more in a building and a ball extent, right? Totally. So, speaking of working out, I was working out last night at the fitness 19 in Morgan Hill. And no exaggeration.

Starting point is 00:12:11 Not only that, I took a little video clip without looking totally creepy and weird, so I could prove this point or what I saw. Six dudes wearing wife beaters. dudes wearing wife beaters. Oh, yeah. Six. They're all cell phones. All under the age of 17, but six of these. At some point, the style is gonna come around. Is that, is that, has it ever been like last?

Starting point is 00:12:35 I don't think it left. I don't think it left. I think it's just, it's very few of continued on beyond high school is what it is. I think at fitness, 19 over there seems like all the high school kids all come and work out at that place and they're all over and they all peel down and black, black wife beaters, great wife beaters and wife wife beaters.

Starting point is 00:12:53 It's a listen, it's less for me about style and more about not caring. It just happened to have it on and this shirt is now hot. I mean, I consider that with my whole like skater, kind of like a surfer outfit. I got stuck in like junior high. Yeah, like I feel like maybe he's out of room. I still stuck in that mood. You guys in the gym.

Starting point is 00:13:19 Hold on a sec. Maybe that's your like tight capsule. I at some point in my life, shows to wear these. I was born. Well, you kind of do. I was born in this. I was born like this. Listen, I'll show you guys pictures.

Starting point is 00:13:32 There's a picture, I gotta find it. There's a picture of my cousins and I, and some people, we're all sitting there, and we're little, we're like two years old, okay? And I'm like, pick out the freaking ethnic kid, because I'm the one with the big ass gold chain, and probably two little cross. And I'm like, oh out the freaking ethnic kid, because I'm the one with the big ass gold chain and probably two big old cross. And I'm like, oh, that kid looks like his parents came up

Starting point is 00:13:48 and get his name or his. I'm like, that's it. That's it. Dude, I gotta tell you guys just a great story. Well, I mean, funny story. So we flew back from Phoenix, right? So we come back and meet in the airport, I'm texting with my wife. Okay. So we were in Phoenix for a few days. It was an NCI event, which was great. We talked about it in

Starting point is 00:14:13 previous podcasts. And during that period of time, my wife was alone with the two kids. And I'm, you know, we're talking back and forth and what's going on in day one, right? Day one, we're there. Hey, honey, how you doing? Good morning. Oh, man, terrible sleep. The baby was just, she was up every hour. I think she has a bit of a cold.

Starting point is 00:14:30 So I'm like, damn, okay, that's going to hopefully get better sleep, you know, tomorrow night. Second night. Again, oh my god, terrible. I'm like, oh, this is going to be bad. This is going to be real bad. At one point, I call her right here, the two-year-old screaming in the background. And, you know, again, she's by herself. So I'm like, what am I gonna come home to? Like this is gonna be crazy.

Starting point is 00:14:48 So I land, get on the phone, and she's just, you know, wife is just, she's losing it. I hear my son screaming, she's upset, cause she yelled at him, she doesn't like yelling, she never yells at the kids, but if she does, she feels bad about it, she's trying to put the baby down, he won't let the put, you know, it's just, it's nuts. So I'm like, oh my god, this is, this is,

Starting point is 00:15:08 I gotta get home. So I get in the car, I'm driving, and I call her, and all I hear is screaming in the background, and I hang up, right? Right. So then she facetimes me. Now I can't, when my phone is hooked up to Bluetooth, they can't face time. I can't face time. phone is hooked up to Bluetooth, I can't face time.

Starting point is 00:15:26 So I'm like, honey, I can't and I hear my son screaming, oh, what is he? And she's like, you better get me a swarm of leave the house. I'm leaving by myself. You know, she's losing it, right? So I'm like, hold on. Let me disconnect so I can disconnect from Bluetooth so I can call and whatever. So I disconnect from Bluetooth, this is why I'm driving. And then I face time, so now I'm driving and face time, it's very dangerous. I'm not supposed to do this, but I'm doing it anyway. And I see my son, he's, oh, I'm like, hey buddy,

Starting point is 00:15:52 I'm gonna be home, I'm on my way. It's all good. Meanwhile, CHP, yeah, I'm on the freeway. CHP rolls by and then hits their brakes and slows down. And I know, oh, they saw me. So I'm like, where are they right? I'm like, Jaime, I'm gonna have to, I'm about to get pulled over.

Starting point is 00:16:09 I'm about to, I know they're gonna, and then they get me, hide me, and I'm still on, but I'm holding the phone up. This is face, but no. Yeah, and I'm holding it down here. I'm like, I gotta pull over there and then sure enough lights come on. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna get pulled over.

Starting point is 00:16:21 So I hang up, I pull over, and the dudes come out of the car, right? So now while they're pulling me over, like we're big supporters of, we're big supporters of law enforcement. This is true. You listen to episodes. We have friends and family and they do a job. A lot of people couldn't do. It's a tough job. So I'm like, I hope they listen to the show. I'm like, you know, that would be so rad, you know, if they listen to the show. So I had to pull off the freeway first of all

Starting point is 00:16:50 and they kept speaking to the loudspeaker because I think they thought I didn't know, you know, to pull over. And I'm like, no, I'm trying to get off and, so then they get out and I look in the rear of your mirror. Tell me, the guys jack, is he jacked? He's good odds for listen. They both look like they work out.

Starting point is 00:17:03 Okay. One of them look like he competed. So you got like a 50-50 shot here. One of them's like, they both look fit, right? But one of them look like he like competed. So I'm like, oh, hell yeah. Like I got it in. And for sure, right? So they come up and they look through the window

Starting point is 00:17:17 and I'm expecting them to be like, I listen to your show. Yeah, thank you, officer, you know. No problem, you want a free program? Yeah, they didn't listen to my wrist. You want a free program? No, it's not my risk. They did listen to the show. So the dude looks at my car and he goes, and I'm waiting for that. He can say anything goes, do you know why we pulled you over?

Starting point is 00:17:34 Now, you know, as a grown man, as a grown wiser man, knowing that they're doing it, I'm like, they already know. I did the whole lying thing when I was a kid. We try to act like you're smart, you know, they're just backfires So I'm like, hey man. I said I understand you guys doing your job I said I was on FaceTime right now, and I just told the truth. I'm like my wife's losing her shit Screaming on the phone and so they kind of chuckle a little bit, you know, and I'm like yeah Dude I had to FaceTime my kid because like my wife was like losing it and the kids were losing it

Starting point is 00:18:04 And we're going you know, I'm telling like losing it and the kids were losing it and we're going You know, I'm telling the whole story and the guys like you know licensed registration It said here you go and I look at the dude that's all Jack. I'm like you don't listen to my show Oh, no, this would it was I go they go where were you coming from? I saw I came from work like what do you do for work? I said and I'm like well here's my chance. I'm like oh, I'm the host of mine pump nothing So I like raises my pump, nothing. I was like, I saw, so I was like, raises this glasses. So the jack dude, right? I'm like, you don't listen to my show.

Starting point is 00:18:29 He's like, no, no, I've heard of it. I'm like, well, I feared you would, bro. You look like you, so we started talking about working out. Yeah. Then I'm talking about kids with the guys and back and forth and then he takes my license back. Checking, he comes back, like, are you guys married? And I'm like, no, man, we're not married, dude.

Starting point is 00:18:43 I don't want to get married. I don't want to have kids and I'm like, you know, you got to have kids. It's the like, no, man, we're not married, dude. I don't wanna get married. I don't wanna have kids. And I'm like, you know, you gotta have kids. It's the greatest thing. I said, but they're losing their shit. You don't even know. So then I face time my wife. I was talking to them.

Starting point is 00:18:52 And Jessica is on the line. And she's like, I gotta get back to the kids right now. You can't be on the, and then I hang up. So they heard her like, be that big. So the guy's like, you get back to your wife, man. Don't worry about it. Like, you guys don't have to let me off. You could totally give me a ticket, they're like, now I'll go.

Starting point is 00:19:07 Just next time, don't do that or whatever, I'm like, thank you, God, bro. Hopefully, they're listening now. Yeah, cool this guy's ever, you didn't have to let me off. You totally can give me a ticket, because I totally broke the law. But I thought, I saw the Jack guy, I'm like, for sure. Yeah, don't listen. I'm with Dunning, it's such a concert room, like reminder of like, for sure. Yeah, don't listen. I'm with Don, and it's such a concert room, like reminder of like, you know, how much more potential of growth the show has.

Starting point is 00:19:31 It's like, I think it's crazy when we go. He says he's heard of us though, but. Yeah, I feel like if you work out like really consistently, you probably have, because you've probably come across a TikTok clip or like, I mean, the amount of views is in the billions when you count all the platforms or that, so the likelihood, if you're hardcore fitness,

Starting point is 00:19:51 you may have came across it. There's obviously a large chance you have never listened to the show, but most people that I see that are like that fit have like somewhat heard of it, at least, right? But I mean, Dill, you know, it's like, it trips me out, I can go in these gym sometimes and I mean, especially this fitness 19 that I've been going to, I mean, it's like this whole generation of like young lifters and nobody know the hell we are. Is it like a dog's pooping outside

Starting point is 00:20:15 deadlift? Oh, dude. So the first two days, can I have lifted there now? Like, I think, I don't know, maybe like five or six times now, maybe more now. Somewhere on there. The first two days, Kay, I've lifted there now, like I think, I don't know, maybe like five or six times now, maybe more now, somewhere on there. The first two days, I haven't been in a commercial gym I remember for like almost three, three and a half years or so, right? So the trainer and me comes out, I can't help it. I see like two young high school guys coaching each other. Trying to figure out, he's doing a lap pull down. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:40 And the guys just can't figure out. Are you the old guy now that comes out? I did, I take my headphones off, I say, hey, you want me? But what you know, it's cool though, the kids were just like, like yeah, yeah, no, the guy just can't figure out how you know guy now that comes out. I did I take my headphones off I say you want me but we know it's cool though the kids were just like like yeah Yeah, no, they were totally appreciative. No idea who I was and and showed them how to show them a little tip And then you saw the kid like get it right away And he was like whoa, he's like thank you. I'm like yeah, no problem So I've done that the last couple of times. I'm like okay I gotta stop doing that because I don't want to come like that the mayor of the gym

Starting point is 00:21:02 Yeah, then everybody starts asking me and I won't really go there, I can't forget my workout. You just got to know those, what's up? I don't like to talk to nobody when I'm like, you know, it's hard though for me, especially when I see two genres of people, young boys trying to figure out young kids, right? Young kids. Elderly, yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:18 Or elderly, right? Those two, I literally, I will. I have, and if they're in my right in my vicinity, and it's like, okay, I got like a little thing. I feel the same then I then I feel this like let me give you a little a little tip on that to help you out I by no means am I cruising the floor looking for people to help No, there's just one woman that I I This she's she's this old Asian woman. She's probably

Starting point is 00:21:42 70 something so like that old. And she literally works out in like black slacks and like a grandma sweater, so she works out. But every time she, and this has happened like 10 times, she'll catch eyes with me while I'm working out. And she gives me this smile and this nod. Very sweet woman, very, very sweet woman. So I started doing something I helped her out the other day

Starting point is 00:22:01 and she gave me a little high five, thank you. So every time I see her, she's so cute. She's a I want to give her hug but then I'd be like, ah She'd be like are you so are you consistently because I'm bouncing around now to several gyms? You're the same. Yeah You haven't graduated from that huh? That gym is good for me. Well because I feel like it Because it's full of older ladies That's perfectly it caused me down's because we got to be down. We're the strongest person to always be. That's it, dude.

Starting point is 00:22:27 Yeah, I'm gonna be the, you're always the strongest person. Being the here, bro. This is Jack, this guy. Yeah, you're up. I love you so much. I always come up, feel your biceps. Yeah, you're the most jack guy.

Starting point is 00:22:35 You're the strongest. So I like, I like one of that gym too, but it's normally on my way up. And then I start feeling myself like, okay, I need to be humbled. Let me go to the gold. You're let me go to the market, Marbel, where? I just, I don't want to work out.

Starting point is 00:22:46 I don't want to talk to nobody. I don't, I just want to just do my thing and just, I have a branch. Yeah, I haven't even been to the commercial spots. How long is the freaking pandemic? I haven't even been. You haven't at all. You know, you ought to do it.

Starting point is 00:22:58 It's, it's been an interesting, I've been thinking about it. It's been an interesting experiment. Just the, there's a like bodybuilder, James. That's why. As soon as you see bodybuilders, he won't be able to. Yeah, but he go to like a world

Starting point is 00:23:06 where he's trained in his car. He's a nice or, yeah, American bodybuilder. Oh, dude, I mean, I was all into golds, Jims, and so it was more of the ones of the serious guys, not like the commercial like 24, and the people that like think their bodybuilders, and they're just douchebags. That's different.

Starting point is 00:23:27 No, the actual ones that are like cool. But yeah, so I was thinking about going back to Santa Cruz Power just because I like the vibe there and everything and they still have like platforms and there's people doing powerlifting on top of bodybuilding. You know, truth to be told, I think I would prefer to not work out in a gym with that

Starting point is 00:23:48 many like really serious people because it might, if I think, I'm trying to put myself there mentally, it might trigger my ego. It might make me want to add weight to the bar and do shit that's probably not good. Yeah, I feel like I've, me personally. Yeah, no, I feel like I've been so devoid of even being around anybody for so long. There's no ego, dude. Like I honestly feel like I can ramp it up a little bit.

Starting point is 00:24:13 I just don't give a shit at all. Like it's like, you're... I mean, that's kind of how I feel, Justin. That's why the being in that kind of environment has been good for me is I think the biggest thing, my biggest takeaway right now of the difference in my training in the last, let's say a couple months now,

Starting point is 00:24:28 compared to the previous three years, because don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the training at home and training in here for the last three years. You guys converted me, I'd say, over to that. The things that I'm enjoying, or the perks I see now to be in the commercial gym, is it because I have to drive there?

Starting point is 00:24:46 If, like say what happened, I tell you guys before in the past, like at home, with your times right, say, hey, you know what, I just can go and get squats. And sometimes that's all I do. Sometimes it, which was awesome, because I was like, hey, that's better than not doing anything or talking myself out of going to gym. Where now I still have that same conversation,

Starting point is 00:25:01 I'm like, ah, not really feeling it today, I'm just gonna go do this. But sure to drove there. I already drove there. And it'm like, ah, not really feeling it today, I'm just gonna go do this. I'm sure to drove there. But I already drove there. And it's like, you know, the effort to park, to get out of the car, to walk, and to do all that stuff like that. It's like, am I really just gonna go five minutes and then walk out?

Starting point is 00:25:13 No, I'm gonna, maybe I'll do one more. It's easier to talk myself into more intensity, more volume. And I think I need that right now. I've been on the other end of maintaining my health strength physique mobility for the last three years. Like I'm on this kick right now of like trying to make moves and in order to make moves, it's helped me be more motivated. So how many gyms are you going to?

Starting point is 00:25:37 You got, so I have 24, fitness 19, 24, American barbell, those three. Yeah, and then here and here and here at home I saw dude I saw this video that I For sure want to replicate and there's people send me videos all the time people doing funny things and skits and gyms and whatever and whatnot But this one was like sent from my friend who actually played in a band with he was like our drummer

Starting point is 00:26:02 And he's like do we need to do this. As these guys, they put together like this metal band and they were behind, these guys working out, like they just went into a commercial gym and started playing when the guy was about to do like a PR attempt and they're like, like playing metal and stuff for him to like, perform, I was like, dude, that would be so epic. Like you're about to like lift your heaviest lift

Starting point is 00:26:25 and then you have your own band there just like hyping you. You know what, the most complaints I ever got running gyms would be close out. I would always have a DJ spin in live music in the gym. Did you ever bring a real band or just like a DJ? Never actually no. I'm very hot you bet. Oh crap, I did the same thing.

Starting point is 00:26:42 We used to have a capitol McGee every close out. I did, I bought a very hot you band in once. Yeah, dude, good old school. We used to have a capital-machee every close-up. We were very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, speakers. Of course. Whenever equipment was near the speakers, you were gonna get your explode out. Yeah, you know? But we would, but you know, back to the CHP thing, when's the last time you got pulled over by CHP and they didn't give you, they don't do that. No point you asked over, that's their job, is it give you a ticket?

Starting point is 00:27:18 Like, I made friends with a guy, it was like, he was the played rugby, and I was like, at the time I was like, on my way to a game, and I was like, speeding was like, he was the played rugby, and I was like, at the time I was like, on my way to a game, and I was like, speeding like crazy, and so I used that, because I was like wearing my uniform and stuff, and we kinda sh- you know, but that was it. I got nailed.

Starting point is 00:27:34 Normally I get to take it immediately. I got nailed. The last CHP got me, I got me like two years ago, and I was in my white car heading back from the, I was in the country on the middle of nowhere, but I was like doing 100, I think he got me like maybe something. He let me go.

Starting point is 00:27:49 He let me go. What? Yeah. I think that I could train on the car. I'm saying, he's like, wait, can't be that bad. Yeah. Yeah, we look, I don't know why we didn't have a decent train with me.

Starting point is 00:27:58 I wouldn't be doing a 100-a-max. Yeah. Yeah, he was just cool. I don't think, I think he was cool. He wasn't a bull. And I didn't have to make up some crazy side. And he said, oh, we're in a hurry. This is that. I honestly said, man, honestly, I didn't think I think he was cool. He wasn't a And I didn't have to make up some crazy so I didn't say oh we're in a hurry this is that I honestly said man You honestly, I didn't even look down to spedometer. I said this thing just ride so smooth

Starting point is 00:28:10 We're out in the middle nowhere. I didn't see the car. They said Didn't realize I got up to that so I think if you're honest you probably have a better chance Of course I used the whole thing when I was a kid where you'd like honestly would you know what office? What did you would you I mean if I was a cop and you're just straight up like oh man my bad bro You got me or just just I got hammered when I was a kid because I lied because I did a burnout And then I got pulled over and the cops like do you know why I pulled an active stupid like no? I don't know why and I think he wanted to Like teach me a lesson because I was a young kid. Yeah, so he's like the whole scared straight thing

Starting point is 00:28:41 So he forget the car and he like put me up on the hood like the whole scared straight thing. So he forgot the car and he like put me up on the hood. He's where the God dude. Spread the cheeks, no burn out. He's just sitting on that back. Yeah. Where you hide whatever you are for another kid. Where you hide your life's like,

Starting point is 00:28:54 he's doing anything, God. That's where. No, no, no, no, no, put me on the hood. He put my hands on my hand, my hand cuff me, my cousin was why he's hard to weird stuff. No, no, no, no. Now we know where it's dims. It was that imprint right there Teenage years you're already probably thinking about your own way to go beat off of shirts

Starting point is 00:29:15 Always we go right now always bringing them handcuffs on the trips Hey, honey before I climax Yeah, yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey's funny, I came home, it was funny, and that come home, my young, my toddler who was like, losing his mind, he was so cute, he was standing on the porch or whatever, just real nice little pajamas, whatever, just standing, just because like, go way outside for your dad,

Starting point is 00:30:00 he just stand there waiting for me and I get out and he's like, hi, Papa, I'll sweet. And like, you would never know this kid was a pro. 20 minutes ago, you know, Katrina says she know we're going to try this, this trip. We're, we're obviously it's a little early to like teach him like really calendars and days, but she notices when I'm, if I'm gone beyond two days, he starts to get like irritable and he's constantly asked, where's daddy?

Starting point is 00:30:24 Where's daddy? Where's Daddy? Where's Daddy? And so this trip coming up where we're gone for more than that, she's gonna try and like, okay, like get the calendar out and be like, okay, this is today. Daddy leaves this day, this is when Daddy returns and then like X the days off so we can kind of

Starting point is 00:30:39 somewhat teach him like the idea of time and days and stuff like that. Yeah, so this course I've been taking this good inside course. Dr. Beckett, she's incredible. She talks about telling stories to your kids and you can do it through play. Like you know, you got like dinosaurs and oh, daddy dinosaurs gonna go on a trip,

Starting point is 00:31:00 but he'll be back and then you, you know, you walk through the emotions, he's sad, you know, he really misses daddy, but daddy always comes back. Or here's your son's old enough, you could just tell them, you could tell him, hey, next week, and do it way in advance. Hey, next week, I'm going to be out of town for, you know, four days and then you show him on the calendar. And then you tell him again, two days later, and then the day before, okay, I'm going to be gone, but when I get back and it actually makes a big difference to do stuff like that. Yeah, it'll be interesting.

Starting point is 00:31:26 I'll report back, because that's exactly what Katrina and I are doing on this trip coming up, is already starting to plant the seed with him now. And so, because she's already started to piece that together. One night, two nights I'm gone, not a big deal, so like that, he's normally having fun doing this thing, and then by the second night, or the third night,

Starting point is 00:31:41 or third day, he's already like, where's daddy, where's daddy, where's daddy, where's daddy? So we did a blood test for food intolerances. We're gonna do a blood test for a realias. And I did this. I actually tested it. I did it with his stuffed animals like four days before. Then I talked about it the day before.

Starting point is 00:31:58 Then the lady showed up and he was like, well, you could tell he's still scared. They're gonna put a needle in his arm. But he was like, that walked him through exactly what's gonna happen. Then'm gonna put a needle in his arm, but he was like, can I walk him through exactly what's gonna happen? Then we're gonna put on the Kindle, then you're gonna watch this. I'm gonna hold you down,

Starting point is 00:32:10 and I have to hold your arm tightly so you don't move. And he was like, prepared. It totally worked. It's the weird, it's the weird thing. You see, that's funny you read that. There was a viral video that's going around that I just saw in the last few days of a light, and it's like a TikTok, and it's like,

Starting point is 00:32:24 the best doctor in the world. And it's the doctor giving a kid a shot. And it's like a kid like our kids is or younger. And he's just so smart with the way he plays with like the needle covered and then pretends like he's poked him and he's laughing giggles and he slides back and then he brings it again. And he keeps touching the kid with the needle protected.

Starting point is 00:32:45 So he realizes like him coming towards him and doing that, it doesn't hurt or whatever. And then he'd like distracts him or if we could just, oops, sink sedate him. It's really the anticipation. Yeah, not 100% it's that. It's this anticipation of this thing, stranger coming at you with this needle.

Starting point is 00:32:59 And he did this, he showed this doctor like setting it up. I'm like, oh my God, like that's like an amazing doctor. So much of it psychological. There's, I know people, I know adults that pass out from getting their blood. Yeah, I met some of the biggest dudes. I know they're like that. They can't, you know, that's my least,

Starting point is 00:33:17 like I stress out about that. I do not, like, I don't like my blood taking. When I can really stress out. Yeah, well, I'm not like really, I'm not stressed to that, like, you know what I mean? My level of stress, you don't say you blood taking. We're like really stressed out. Yeah, well, I'm not like really, I'm not stressed to that. You don't like it. We might live to my level of stress, you know what I'm saying? You're like, you're like, you're talking about me right now.

Starting point is 00:33:31 I've been living, I stress out of it, but not that level of stress out of you. You're like crazy stressed out of the level. I just don't, I don't like looking at it. And it is, it's like, you can't look at it, you gotta look at it. Yeah, and it just, it makes me feel lightheaded. I feel lightheaded from it.

Starting point is 00:33:47 You know, no matter what I've done for food, water, I've done all the stuff, it fasted, it doesn't matter. Does he have a bad experience when you were kid or something? Not that I know of, I don't recall a memory. Although I, it's like hit or miss, maybe one and four. Left it in there too long. Hit, no, hit me bad. Where you get like the, the bruise and everything like that

Starting point is 00:34:05 I've had that yeah, yeah, that fucking hurts and they missed it a few time like did I have such obvious Road map. Yeah, you can't get it in there. So it's yeah, I'm terrible at it I that's my if you get a toy afterwards or a sticker maybe Maybe they gave me a lolly pop up. I got to confess, I do feel guilty about this. So Everett, poor guy, he's just riddled with poison oak, like the worst, I remember, I don't know if you guys have ever had a really, really bad deal. I've never had it bullied a whole bunch.

Starting point is 00:34:41 Dude, I forgot, I had it real bad when I was a kid, and then after that, I never had it bullied a whole lot. Dude, like I forgot, I had it real bad when I was a kid and then after that I never had it again really, pretty much like I had it so bad I got immune to it after that but, so like I'm starting to kind of trace back and like okay wait, so this is like, when we started seeing signs of the rash and now it's getting worse and it was literally when we had our Easter egg hunt

Starting point is 00:35:05 and I was out there just like throwing eggs. Well, he's not gonna get this one. You know, throwing it way out there in my backyard. You threw it in poison. Yeah, I did right in this patch of poison, okay? It was it. Wow. He got some zombie.

Starting point is 00:35:20 Completely like, hold that one. I'm sorry, but yeah. Jesus rose again. Also your skin, you know, like, is it everywhere? I mean, it's like patchy on his arms, but like really, it's his legs are like bubbled out. Aren't you supposed to do like a oatmeal bath?

Starting point is 00:35:38 Yeah, oatmeal bath, calamite. Yeah, calamite, all that. But there's actually like some decent products now that are like, it doesn't sound like it because it said homeopathic medicine and I'm like, oh God. You know, just the title of that, because I grew up, my mom was like, for homeopathic everything and I'm like,

Starting point is 00:35:55 no, this doesn't work. I'm just sugar. Yeah. Stop rubbing your finger. Apparently, their appointment stuff is legit. And so this was like expensive, like $70 or like stuff and tried it out. And it was definitely taking it down quite a bit, but we still had to take the dog.

Starting point is 00:36:14 You know, it's the case. So I've heard a crazy stories, or people like we'll eat it to make sure they don't get it or something after that. And what you will in low amounts to kind of- You would think through, yeah. A hermetic effect. Yeah, you would think there would be

Starting point is 00:36:25 some sort of a pill or something that you could take. If you live in an area that has that and that way your system can get adjusted to it or down. I'm not hurting anybody do that, but I heard like the theory of it kind of makes sense.

Starting point is 00:36:36 I have an uncle. This is a true story. Now, this is my grandfather's generation. I have to say that because if I tell a story to you guys, I'm like, what was wrong? So my grandfather's generation and these have to say that because if I tell the story to you guys, I'm like, what was wrong? So my grandfather's generation, and these, these are all like, they came from Sicily and they were poor Sicilians. Okay.

Starting point is 00:36:53 When I say poor, I mean, literally, I told you guys this before, like my grandfather lived in a cement square with, you know, nine siblings, the donkey and his parents, like they all stayed the same. This is the donkey really in there? In there when it was too cold, the donkey had to be in there. Yeah, they were poor, poor. Right. That's the end of a movie.

Starting point is 00:37:10 Yeah, like poor, poor to where, you know, he worked, but how the big shoes until they fit and then they became sandals, they were sort of up for it. Or this mom will cut the toe off. Anyway, my uncle came here and he's from that generation, my grandfather's, and they were up in the hills or something, doing work. I don't remember what they were doing, I think they were attending someone's land or something. And look, old school Sicilians,

Starting point is 00:37:33 when they would go work in mountains or in the hills, there's no bathroom, there's no outhouse. You just go to the bathroom and there's no toilet paper. You use leaves, you use plants to wipe your butt. Oh God, good. You use poison oak I know I swear to God you wiped yourself with poison and got poison oak up and all up and down His

Starting point is 00:37:54 Yeah, that makes me itch you right now. Yeah, that's a true that's a true story right there. So yeah, no forget to imagine there. So, yeah, I know. We're just imagining that. That's all we said. Anybody I've seen, crashes. Hey, are you following all the stuff on our show all in on the chat GBT? Oh, wow. It's pretty wild, right? You know, it's crazy about it is, and he's in the right, that the advancements that we've seen in technology, like the iPhone

Starting point is 00:38:25 one came out and then iPhone two took what two years later or year two, or two like that. These are mind blowing advancements that are coming out like weeks later. Like they have some called auto, GPT, which is a GPT AI that asks other AI's for help and they work with each other and prompt each other to find solutions. So these guys, remember, the guys on that show, these are like tech, mode by improving AI.

Starting point is 00:38:56 Yeah, these are tech moguls. These guys are like, they're brilliant at what they do. They're Silicon Valley giants, right? They were saying that these AI, chat GBT type things are gonna replace startups, startups. Like your whole staff, 100 people. Well, that's right code and all the gondolas. Dude, like you said, it's so fast,

Starting point is 00:39:17 it's like you came in really comprehend where we're gonna be. No, it's crazy. No, I keep trying it. I've been telling family and friends. And just to, and the key is this, I don't have this scarcity mindset where it's like, oh, don't let it happen or avoid it at all costs

Starting point is 00:39:35 because it's gonna take over our jobs and you're not gonna have a job. It's more like, it's very similar to the internet just unbelievably more disruptive and faster. And so it's like, don't be the person who when the internet was coming on board going like, oh, we're never gonna do that. We're never gonna buy things on my own.

Starting point is 00:39:53 Oh, we're like, don't be that person and go like, instead going, you know, how is this going to be integrated into my current profession? And how can I learn about it and potentially adopt it? Or utilize it to improve or enhance my own skill sets. Well, what they were, nobody listened to the, the halt then. No, no, and how are they going to regulate this?

Starting point is 00:40:15 Yeah, well, they put it out there. It was like, hey, everybody put the breaks on and, you know, of course, there was a conversation about, listen, there's right now, right now. Okay, this isn't like, oh, this is what's gonna happen in the future. They have these AI engines that will convert your text into animation. So I could write a story and it now I'm watching that. Now I'm watching it. And they're like, oh, within a few years, director is gonna be able to go in and create a motion picture

Starting point is 00:40:48 through text. Well, as you can say in there, oh, you know what, make this character a little bit more this way or make sure that the UFO's land and you're gonna just create a movie. Just the notes, the manifest. Isn't that, isn't that, that's how we use the newsletter one right now, right, Justin? Like, I don't know if you're in there.

Starting point is 00:41:03 For the images, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it literally reads what Darren had wrote that that page spits out of it. And then it creates an image based around it. And it's so far, I don't think we've edited or I messed with it's been. No, that's a lot of you. We've switched out. But like, yeah, it's, it's, it's just a cool feature because it's like it, it, you can look at it and you're like, Oh, I could see how that kind of interpreted and added those, you know, key words in there. Like, you could find it. It's weird. And so do you know, are you actually prompting it or is it still, what's it says? Jesse's still prompting it? And then I, because it'd be interesting if you did what Sal just said, which is like, you get it

Starting point is 00:41:39 and you go like, oh, I like that, but like, could you make it more like this? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or, yeah. You can, yeah. And there's different styles too. If you can do different styles based off of like the artists or based off of. That you like, what are you? Yeah, like what kind of like mood you want to put out, you know? Yeah, you guys see the one that's going around right now.

Starting point is 00:41:55 I saw, I thought Andrew sent maybe the one. Did you send me the Drake and Kanye one? Oh, there's like a Drake and Kanye. They're now taking. So, wrote a song and it just, yeah. And they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, right, wrote a song and it just- Yeah, and they're- The AI did. The AI said, you know, write a Drake and Kanye song

Starting point is 00:42:09 or something and like sounds like them, like it's, and it's not half bad, dude. It's like, and this is like early organic human produced. That's gonna be a label. It has to be a thing. It's gonna be a label, bro. Like when you go to the grocery store and you see all the big ass, perfect looking strawberries, and like, that's not a regular label. How, but it can be a label, bro. Like when you go to the grocery store and you see all the big ass, perfect looking strawberries,

Starting point is 00:42:27 you're like, that's not a regular one. So my brother, my brother, we were actually texting about this last night and he says, so his son, my nephew, is in high school and he's got him listening to all these AI generated pages that these kids are already following music that is being created by that and they're what they're doing is they're doing exactly that They're taking their ripping from a Kanye or a Drake or that and then the AI exists and then the AI is creating

Starting point is 00:42:53 What I'm wondering is how they how they're gonna stop this and then what happens to the person like Kanye who had all that had all these Right, it's really just accelerating what we do anyways like. Like in terms of like if you're an artist, like you're inspired and your muse is comes from all these different backgrounds of how you grew up and what kind of impact they had, but like you're trying to replicate that and you're kind of coming up with something that's sort of a hybrid.

Starting point is 00:43:19 And so this is just like just completely adding gasoline. Yeah, the part that's, forget all the Armageddon crazy stuff, this is the part that makes me nervous is that it's improving and changing faster and faster at a silly ridiculous rate that we can, how do you prepare for that? Like how do you say to yourself, we're on your seat not, look at the world right at the beginning. That's what I mean, look, it's crazy. Let's say you're a kid going I'm not, look at the world right at the beginning. Look, look, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:43:46 Let's say you're a kid going to school right now, and you're like, I'm gonna do computer science. And they're like, oh, in a year, AI's gonna do all the coding and computer science will be gone. You would never think that, right? How would you prepare? Whoa, I think, what work am I gonna do? I mean, I think that's gonna be a class before you know it.

Starting point is 00:44:02 I mean, they already have classes. Yeah, but by the time you're done with the class, literally, you'll be done with the class. It'll be obsolete. Didn't they say like, if you have a doctorate or PhD in AI that it's already like a million dollar like salary waiting for you now?

Starting point is 00:44:16 Yeah, right now. Right now. Right now. Okay, so where you're saying is, I don't think that's nice. I think we, and I think SAC said this on that show. I think we're decades away from complete startups being obsolete or like staffs being completely obsolete.

Starting point is 00:44:34 We're still, the transition is going to be how people integrate it into the current way of doing things. So I think for the next decade, if you learn how to utilize these tools, you're going to 10X your value. And I think that you got a good run for a while before that. And then hopefully if you're that rabbit as crazy can right now. Yeah. And then I think if you're that ingrained in that for the next decade, you're also going to be the one who sees it first when it's transitioning away from that, right? Or evolving being that. Yeah, but okay, fine, a decade.

Starting point is 00:45:06 It sounds like such a long time. No, it's not. Go back in time, 10 years from now. Yeah, I know. Today's different, but is it so radically different from 10 years ago that you wouldn't be recognized, right? No. Like you could go back in time, forward in time,

Starting point is 00:45:20 to today and people like, wow, that's cool, that's cool, but it wouldn't be like, where am I? That's how fast this is progressing to the point where we had to. The digital space, wow, that's cool, that's cool, but it wouldn't be like, where am I? That's how fast this is progressing to the point where we had the digital space. So, if you compare digital versus like the physical like environment, like I think the digital space is gonna look like nothing we've seen before. I don't know, man, it's just,

Starting point is 00:45:37 it's weird because GPD1 came out when. Yeah, not that long. Yeah, now they have auto GPD, it was like months. Yeah, you know what that's like? We're like 10 years from now, dude. You know, like this rate. That's why I'm like, ah. Yeah. So I think it's exciting.

Starting point is 00:45:50 I do think it will simultaneously build even more value for human connection though. Do I necessarily mean there's gonna be more of that? No, but I do think it'll build more value in that. Like there'll be a more desirable. Oh, because it'll be more scarce more valued in there. Like there'll be a little desire make it more desirable Oh, because it'll be more scarce. Yeah, like for example like I mean, there's nothing that starts like this in the next five years The ability for someone to create this exact show right the dynamic off of our personalities AI generated versions of us Everything pumping out, but then I saw those pictures that you

Starting point is 00:46:22 Texted us. Oh, that was my cousin created that, prompted something and it just did some crazy stuff. We were like, buster and cooler. Yeah, immediately. I was like, I don't like my name. I like that. I like that. We're guys with the cool man.

Starting point is 00:46:35 I don't think I like cool. I don't think my name looked like my name, me very much. But anyways, so like what we just did with NCI, right? Okay. The impact that we've had on people's personal lives, the desire for them to fly there and to meet us and to share that and for us to connect and talk to them in person and have drinks with people

Starting point is 00:46:58 and that sense of community and the endorphin rush that you get from being in being in person with people. I think that as we go more and more digital and more and more AI, that that will be a hotter commodity because it'll be more and more rare. It's a romantic. Yeah, you know, because it's not necessary anymore, but it's like people will look fondly back at like it person to person interactions and like those type of like events, but I don't It's just gonna be so different. It'll be like remember do you remember the movie demolition man? Yeah, it's a long reason the future Whatever and then remember he has sex with Sandra Bullock

Starting point is 00:47:39 The way they had sex in the picture. Oh, it's like this. They hooked up like their helmets or whatever They never touch each other. Yeah, and he's like, no, we're gonna do this like the old fashion's like, you mean we're gonna have like, like, you're eat like- Fluid stuff on us. Yeah. And you had like, talk her into it. It's gonna be like that.

Starting point is 00:47:54 You shook someone's hand. Yeah. Oh, God. You know how many germs are gonna be on there? You're like a neanderthal. Disgusting. Disgusting. No, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:48:03 I think that we've are, there's enough, you know this too, because you're the study guy. There's enough studies already to show the importance of human connection. We've seen those. There's lots of studies that show a lot of stuff. I mean, people do it, bro.

Starting point is 00:48:13 You all know, and I'm not, I don't disagree. They're gonna see a lot of people go in that direction. I think that we see, they're right. There's a lot of studies that show that you shouldn't do this or shouldn't do that, and people still do anyways. But I think at the same time that it will also make that in-person connection thing as valuable or more valuable. It'll become more rare. It'll become more rare and

Starting point is 00:48:35 just like anything else that's in this world that's rare. It's more sought after. It's more expensive. Speaking of studies, there was somebody that I don't know if we had them on the show, they messaged me, they might have been on the show or I might have messaged them in our Instagram. Somebody who was having issues with sleep and they had a lot of caffeine

Starting point is 00:48:57 and we recommended that they lower and then replace the caffeine with the red juice for more granify. Right, yeah. The response, literally solved their problem. Oh, it's awesome. Completely solved their problem. They're like, I did the red juice for more GANIFI. Right, yeah. The response literally solved their problem. It's awesome. Completely solved their problem. They're like, I did the red juice.

Starting point is 00:49:09 I had a little bit of withdrawal, and now I only do the red juice, and I have the energy, and I feel good, and I don't have the insomnia or any of those issues like that. My performance has improved. So. Great, gee, back to you. Great. I might have asked you this before, but I forgot what you said if you did. Do you attribute that to one specific adapt to gin in there, but I forgot what you said if you did. Do you attribute that to one specific adaptogen in there

Starting point is 00:49:27 or mushroom or do you think it's, because? No, it's got a combination. I mean, I think the main drivers of the rodeo and the cordi-seps that are in there, but it's got beet juice or beet root powder in there and some other stuff that. But I mean, if you're trying to wean yourself off stimulants, that's a great way to do it.

Starting point is 00:49:46 A great way to do it. Cause stimulants are hard to come off of. Yeah, cool turkeys, that's pretty terrible. You're gonna have like a week of like depression. Yeah, you know? No, I think so. Bad dudes, you know. That was a huge hack for me.

Starting point is 00:50:00 I love, that's exactly what I do. Anytime I scale back on the caffeine, is I just, and I don't feel any withdrawal that way. It's like a smooth transition for me to, and I just go, you know, if I'm drinking, let's say, the max I'll hit is starting getting three, four range of like, you know, either energy drinks or coffees. I just replace each one with the red drink and then get to where I get all the way down and it feels like it's... Makes a huge difference. Huge difference. All right, I'm going to talk about something negative. I saved it towards the end here because... Red drink and then it get to where I get all the way down and it feels like it makes a huge difference all right

Starting point is 00:50:25 I'm gonna talk about something negative. I saved it towards the end here cuz I don't want to crack everybody He's dug what's a car. I'm not trying to crap carbon buddy So have you guys heard I wrote it down the bill it passed the Washington the state of Washington's house It's be SB 5599 10, the state of Washington's house. It has to be 5, 5, 9, 9. Do you guys hear about this? Two of you. Two of you.

Starting point is 00:50:47 I don't know where about this. But do you know about it? Yeah, but I want you to go into depth. What is it? OK, so so it's being politicized, which means the information from both sides is not entirely correct. Although I do think this is really going down the wrong path. So here's what the bill, here's what the bill sort of proposes. Yeah, the bill, now people on

Starting point is 00:51:12 the right are tweeting stuff like this and I'll read to you kind of what they what the tweets say because and I know I know the right and left you this and annoys a shadow me. But here's what the right, I'll give you an example with the right saying last night Washington State passed SB5599, which allows the state to legally take children away from their parents if they don't consent to their child's gender transition surgeries. Whoa, is that real?

Starting point is 00:51:38 Is this true? Kind of, kind of. So here's what the actual bill says. And yeah, it infuriated the ship. It's alarming, but yeah, let's get in the details It infuriated the shadow me to but here's what the bill actually says if a kid runs away The state if their minors is Required to let the parents know hey, we have your. And I think they have like 48 hours to do so. But there are exceptions, like if they really think the kid's

Starting point is 00:52:11 going to be abused sexually or beaten or it's a dangerous environment, in which case, then the state tries to protect them. Okay. But there's very specific exemptions. They included now, the kid running away saying my parents do not approve of my gender transition, so I don't want to go back home. And that means now that the state doesn't have to tell the parents and the child can go through with hormone or gender transition procedures. So, not quite as crazy as what the, you know, that tweet is, still crazy though. Still open up a can of worms.

Starting point is 00:52:54 Still crazy though. I think it's so crazy. Here's what I think, I'm gonna, you know, I gotta go off on this a little bit. I think it's insane that, I don't know why there's no logic here, a kid can't consent to a tattoo, but they can consent to hormones or puberty blockers or surgeries. That doesn't make any damn sense to me.

Starting point is 00:53:16 As a minor, if you're an adult, do what you want, but as a child, that's crazy to me. And it's because they're saying we're trying to protect LGBT youth and all that stuff. And it's like, look, if you're trying to protect them from being abused, that's already there. That was already in the law. But if it's just now they've included that, that means technically a kid could say, my parents don't approve of me taking testosterone or whatever. And then they're like, we're not gonna tell your parents. And that's fine, we'll tell the state, now you belong to the state, I guess. And say, yeah, but at what point,

Starting point is 00:53:50 I mean, are we considering that, because yeah, if that's the case, and kids have the ability to then decide these major life-altering decisions themselves, like they're gonna be able to advocate for all other different types of decisions that are adult driven decisions, like how do you stop that from going any further than that? It's insane to me. It's not.

Starting point is 00:54:14 Because the parents, it's your job, because it's the formative years of development. They haven't figured it a lot. We're supposed to protect and watch over them. That is our job. Yes, and there's always shitty parents over them. That is our job. Yes, and there's always shitty parents out there. There is. No doubt.

Starting point is 00:54:29 There's situations where it's probably toxic and terrible. No, it's crazy. It's crazy to me. A kid can't go get a car loan. A kid can't... Back in the day, we still rent movies, a blockbuster. If you're a minor, you can go rent movies. They can't get a credit card.

Starting point is 00:54:45 They can't get a tattoo. They can drink. They can't smoke. Yep. But they can say, uh, hey, I feel like I don't want to be in steam or yeah, or put me on hormones, which have profound psychological effects for anybody who doesn't believe that you're an idiot. They have profit. Like if a man's testosterone is too low or estrogen is too high or one's hormones, what's she feels it? You're an idiot. They have a man's testosterone is too low, or estrogen is too high, or one's hormones drop.

Starting point is 00:55:06 She feels it, you're gonna do this to a kid. What's the protocol? What's the protocol then for having therapy, in terms of any kind of medical procedure like that, is there a period where they have to go through counseling? You used to be, right? Like what does that look like, and why would that be removed?

Starting point is 00:55:24 It used to be, right? Like what does that look like? And why would that be removed? It used to be, to my knowledge, that if a child a kid felt this way, that they had to really go through lots of therapy, really, uh, work with doctors, but now it's, it's now affirming where if the kid says it, then the assumption is we believe you, and then that's the next, then then, then we take the steps from there. It used to be, oh, you feel this way. Let's talk about it. Let's figure this out. See what's going on or whatever. Which, to me, it looks like a huge skip of steps in terms of them really understanding the magnitude of that decision.

Starting point is 00:55:58 No, this is absolutely insane to me. It's crazy. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about stuff like this anymore I think that when I hear shit like that that I think probably the past would probably get me all fired up and enraged I just think of what I hear is just the pressure as a father to Really make sure that I'm communicating with my my son and the pressure of not allowing the school system and the government to plant seeds without me having those conversations with him beforehand or immediately thereafter because the the pressure for a parent to

Starting point is 00:56:41 To not fall asleep at the wheel is is gonna be because if you don't to not fall asleep at the wheel is gonna be, because if you don't raise them on every aspect of life, then the school or the government will. And if you don't align with a lot of the values that these schools are teaching and the government is presenting, then I better be on my fucking A game to be ahead of all this stuff,

Starting point is 00:57:03 because getting upset and trying to fight it, and I feel like that's a losing battle, right? I better be on my fucking A game to be ahead of all this stuff because you know getting upset and trying to fight it and like I feel like that's a losing battle right? Like I think it's I don't know I feel like the I feel like like your kid could go to a drug dealer and you expect a drug dealer to be a piece of shit and sell your kid drugs. You don't expect that to come from an authority, a doctor, or their teacher, you know? I mean, what if the teacher was like, I agree with you, Sal, we just had a live Q&A, and I was appalled by a university professor sharing Netflix, game changer, documentary to the classroom, and telling them that meat gives you cancer. You're a fucking PhD, a college professor, and you're presenting like, so that scares me just as much. Not even a nutrition, yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:52 And yes, you're supposed to be able to trust the, no, and so I look at it, no, I don't. I don't trust any school, I don't trust any teacher, I don't trust any government official to educate my child on damn near anything. These are mineers, dude. They're not even adults. That's the part that's... Yeah, I mean, there's cases, there's little cases of... There was this one mother, she went to the school board, it's filmed. You can find the video where her daughter, her... She got... Something happened, her husband died, then she got diagnosed with the mom, got diagnosed with some disease. So the child was super traumatized.

Starting point is 00:58:28 The kid went to the school and said, I feel like I'm a boy. The school put the kid on hormones and never told the mom at all until the mom started noticing like what's going on with my daughter? Some different. So, but what we don't know in a situation like that, right? Like we, okay, first of all, what we do know is that stories like that are used in the media to get the right with the left to rile up and pit fights against each other and get fired up.

Starting point is 00:58:56 What we don't know is the relationship that this mom had with this daughter, the previous five years of her life. And did she communicate stuff like this? Did they ever talk about this? Did the kid try and, or were they showing signs and she never did, so again, this, when I hear stuff like this that inside starts to get me all boiled up, what it comes down to for me

Starting point is 00:59:16 is like, God damn, there is more pressure today on a parent. Gotta be involved. You gotta be involved. You can't just wear, wear 20, 30, 40 years ago, you could lean on the schools to hopefully lay a moral fabric for your child because it wasn't gone. All of us is gone.

Starting point is 00:59:31 It was, it was. It's more than that. I don't care about that. Honestly, I understand that part. It's the, you're not allowed to give my kid shit without telling me. That's it. I don't expect you to raise them with morality

Starting point is 00:59:44 or expect to raise them like I am. You teach them stuff fine, I get that. Hope you do a good job or whatever. I'll move my kids school if you don't. Fine. But if my kid does something, or you give them a medication or a drug or something and then you hide it from me, that's where I got a problem. That's the difference.

Starting point is 01:00:01 The difference is you're going to do something my kid without me knowing and then you pair up with my kid like I'm the enemy. Oh hell no. Yeah, I know, I just don't see that happening to one of us. I don't think that. But it happens other people. I know, but that's my point, though, that I'm bringing up is that you only get the headline story

Starting point is 01:00:22 and the written by somebody that has a bias of whatever side they're trying to rile up. And so what missing pieces of that story do you or I do not have, right? Which again, could be, you know, maybe that kid for three years was trying to communicate to their parents and their parents were like, I'm not listening. I'm not having it. No. And they don't even talk about it like for all you know, and then just pushes that child

Starting point is 01:00:43 in that direction even further. We don't know that. And I'm not saying that necessarily happened in this situation, but I'm just saying that I recognize that we live in this time now where everything is about- Yeah, everything is about- Everything is about clicks. Everything is about like getting one side riled up against the other side.

Starting point is 01:00:59 And I know my- And it's my, yeah, my initial reaction to hearing stories that is a knee jerk reaction. Like, fuck that, I can't believe that it makes me so angry But then at the end of the day, it's like these types of things are gonna keep happening and it's if if not at an accelerated rate And so what can I do? Clean my own room right that's my my thoughts is like I got it and I got a bsb on the defense From the very jump like the fact that you know, and they're a BSP on the defense from the very jump, like the fact that, you know, and they're doing stuff at very young ages, these kids.

Starting point is 01:01:30 I know, and those kids, the kindergarten first grade, there's some places where there's kids that are there like, the teachers will keep dresses in the classroom and ask if they, oh, do you wanna dress like a girl today or a boy to like asking stuff like that of a young child? It's like, that shit, if I find, if I found that other kids,

Starting point is 01:01:47 not going to that school no more, just I'll figure out a way to homeschool. So all the shit we have on my play, I'll figure it out. And it would be like, it would be like this, like let's say you have a hyperactive kid in class, okay? You know, any one of us could have one of these, all of us were a bit hyperactive, your kids, whatever. And then you find out,

Starting point is 01:02:02 they're giving them ADD, they've been giving them Ridlin. Yeah, or add her all the whole time. And not telling you. But he's getting better grades. He doesn't want to sit still. Yeah, but I'll break that teacher's face. And I'll handle my repercussions for him. Oh, that's what I wanted to hear.

Starting point is 01:02:13 Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, that's, that's, it's like, you, that's really cross the line with a fucker in the line. That is the situation. I guess someone who is, who is communicating to a son is talking to, who knows all those things like that. And if your, your first thing is clear, not acceptable and you, they have to be those lines that are firm. And if your first thing is clear and acceptable,

Starting point is 01:02:25 and they have to be those lines that are firm, and that's just it. We've lost that stance that people aren't taking the stance. This is the firm line. They got to hold the line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We come for the kids, man. And so part of me is like,

Starting point is 01:02:40 there's a lot of really quiet, hey man, I just wanna do my job. I just wanna raise my kids, moms and dads. That's a lot of really quiet. Hey man, just I just wanna do my job. I just wanna raise my kids, moms and dads out there. There's a lot of that, yeah. And they're just sitting there and they're quiet, but there's a lot of this pushing that's starting to happen. And, you know, the bad clash is gonna be bad. You gotta hit him with a pocketbook.

Starting point is 01:02:58 That's what it always hurts him. But protesting and going and like getting mad, yelling, that stuff don't work. You know what, you get 50, 100, 200 parents to unenroll their kids in that school. That's how those schools make out. It's based off of enrollment. Why can't I come to school no more?

Starting point is 01:03:13 So let's see how long this school stays afloat. So you gotta hit them like that. You can't, to me like stand outside and I leave the picket and fucking, or you guys writing letters or getting all angry, like that ain't gonna do nothing. It's like, if there's enough parents that are outraged by that, like I would have I do in that situation is, I would inform every parent they would know,

Starting point is 01:03:30 like what happened to me, like this is what happened to me, you all need to know this is what's going on with this teacher, I'm pulling my kid out of school, who else, and then you rally them, right? Rally them to get him through this. Yeah, and I hit, we're going such a negative route. Yeah. I'm like, dude, there's this guy that was in the valley that everybody was like,

Starting point is 01:03:49 no, we're not okay. This guy's a child molester. And we're like, dude, and they didn't want to put his information out. They didn't want it to be known. Somebody found a public and he came back and he's a felon. Like, his always, and so we took pictures of it, blasted it all over the place, all over town, put it up, dude. You can't fucking hide, bro.

Starting point is 01:04:08 We know who you are. That's just it. So I got a shout out, our good buddy, Jordan Shallow. So he makes me think about him, I was actually just teasing him the other day because that guy is just a walking thosaurus. And he did a great post on something I remember what it was.

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Starting point is 01:05:55 How can we help you? Hey guys, it's good to be back on. I was on about eight months ago and you guys gave me power lift and I ended up doing pretty well with that. So I appreciate you having me back on because now I've ran into some problems. I thought I ran into some problems. I was running Mass 15 from January to now just because I'm a college student and just don't have time to go to the gym. Not every single day, I guess, but like for an hour, four days a week. So I was running that and then I thought I pulled my back,

Starting point is 01:06:30 but that was just like, I ended up just getting sick. So it was just like the inflammatory process. But when I sent in the question, I still was thinking about this. I plan on running map symmetry next, just because I hear about benefits and I feel like it would do me very well because I've never done something like that but I've also been

Starting point is 01:06:48 training Nordic curls for the past few weeks and I progress pretty well with them. I can't get all the way down. I do the eccentric only because concentric is pretty imposterable so I don't want to lose that skill while I do symmetry. So I was wondering what you guys thought about that. Oh, okay. Including it into the program. Yeah. Well, here's a deal.

Starting point is 01:07:14 I mean, you could, I guess, add it, but I think you'd be better off following symmetry as it's laid out. Now, what might happen is you might have to reactivate to the skill of the Nordic curl because it's a somewhat of a high-skill exercise. Although, I bet you'd probably come back stronger. So, for people who know what a Nordic curl is, it's like a leg curl except your upper body is what's your curling up, not your lower body, right? Not your heels, your legs. And it's tough exercise.

Starting point is 01:07:45 There's a lot of resistance. Your upper body's quite heavy in comparison to the lower part of your body when you do that exercise. So, but here's a deal. It's bilateral. Both legs are doing the work. And I would venture to say with some certainty that one leg is probably stronger than the other. So a program, especially if you've never done a full program like Map Symmetry, like have

Starting point is 01:08:11 you ever done two or three months of pure unilateral style training? No, I included like Bulgarians. That's pretty much, I've been doing a lot of dumbbell stuff only because I gym at my apartment complex only has dumbbells and machines. So I've just been using dumbbells for the past few months anyways, but now I haven't solely included lateral, I guess, like symmetry. Yeah, so two dumbbells at the same time is more unilateral than a barbell, but there's ways to get even more unilateral training with dumbbells and exercises.

Starting point is 01:08:51 Nonetheless, your lower body exercises were probably almost all bilateral, even though you're using dumbbells. So I say follow, especially if everybody's been working out for a while, sounds like you followed some programs, I would say follow symmetry to the T. And then at the end, the last phase is a five by five, so you can kind of test your strength. I think you'll be quite surprised. Then when you go back to trying the Nordic curls, start slow and see what happens. But oftentimes people find that they're within a week or two of getting used to the exercise. they surpassed where they were before. Yeah, I mean, you said you did power lift.

Starting point is 01:09:28 And for anybody that's done power lift, I honestly think it should be a requirement to go after that to symmetry just out of like addressing a lot of that high demand and intensity that, you know, you're pursuing and really like generating more force. Now we have to really really go back and assess where the leakage is of power and energy leaks. I think it's just advantageous because you're going to find that there are just inevitable instabilities that occur in balances that would need to be addressed. I highly recommend that you go through that program

Starting point is 01:10:05 because then it does address it in the bilateral again in phase four. So it's like, you'll see what kind of work, you know, that led up to. Matt, is there a particular reason why you don't or why you want to keep the Nordic curls in the program and keep doing other than just being good at them or do you have a specific reason why?

Starting point is 01:10:23 Um, I mean, I've been following Ben Patrick for a little bit, and I hear that Nordic Girls are pretty good to protect the Nade, and I would have just started doing them, and I just, I bought one of those straps so you can use around a bench, so I think I bought it like a month ago. So, I really want to start the new program. I just don't want to lose the scale

Starting point is 01:10:46 and I want to keep doing them because I've seen, been seeing a lot of progress. And I will say that even if I do symmetry, it's not like I'm training the Nordic girls, it's more like I'm practicing them. Like I'm not really going to failure. I'm just doing a few reps for a few sets, a few workouts a week, like not so failure or anything

Starting point is 01:11:04 until I feel like I can't do a quality rep. Yeah, but Matt, you said you can't do a concentric rep, you're just doing a negative. Yeah, just a negative. Yeah, that's not a low intensity practice way of practicing an exercise. If you want to put an exercise in the category of, this is just something I'm gonna add just to practice and it's not going to impact my recovery too much, it would be

Starting point is 01:11:30 something you could perform easily both concentrically and essentially. You'd be dragging a sled like Ben Patrick does, like he, you know, drags a sled constantly to kind of build up the backs. But also look, look, here's a deal, when it comes to right to left and balances, let me ask you a question, when it comes to right to left and balances, let me ask you a question, okay. Let's say you're doing a bench press and you have one side slightly stronger than the other, what you probably do most of us do.

Starting point is 01:11:53 Do you notice that when you go light or do you notice it when you go real heavy? Probably heavy, yeah. Yeah, that's when the bar starts to twist and weird stuff starts to happen Okay, Nordic curl is a heavy hard exercise even if you're just doing an eccentric if you're right leg that's stronger That that difference is gonna remain if not become a little bit worse So I say because here's a deal. You know, you've already been training and working out

Starting point is 01:12:25 On lots of different types of programs. You did power lift. Go symmetry all the way through follow to a tee don't add anything Go back later and then start slow with your Nordic curl and I bet you'll be surprised I bet you'll go back and be like, oh wow. I feel better than I did before Am I take a week or two just to kind of get the hang of it because it is an exercise that requires a little bit of skill. But I bet within a couple weeks, you'll be like, I didn't not only did I not lose much, I'm actually better off than I was before. Yeah, and I know just like a follow up about the actual program, I'll definitely do that. I know it has like the five by five. But like I said, if I'm in school around

Starting point is 01:13:07 the time of the five by five, another program's like three or four months or whatever, so I'm not sure where I'll be at that point. But if the apartment complex doesn't have barbells, could I still do a five by five? Just I know that dumbbell deadlifts aren't really suitable for a five by five. But can I do like other movements like Bulgarians, five by five, dumbbell bands, you're five by five. Yeah, you could also transition to, um, I mean, what do we do this? Why don't we, do you have maps in a ball?

Starting point is 01:13:35 Already or no? No. Because why don't we give them maps in a ball? Can you do the whole dumbbell version of that? So when it goes, it's to the five by five section. If you don't, we just go phase one maps and go phase one maps in a ball because that's and there's an at home version there so you can do the all- hold on a second Matt did we give you a program last time?

Starting point is 01:13:53 power list yeah you've reached your limit can't have another one I'm just kidding I'm just kidding we'll give you we'll give you a map set of ball if you don't have it I saw you guys give someone like three programs in the form yeah that's fucking sad. Sal does that sometimes. It gets in one of these happy moods. You just start giving our business away. Yeah, he's the Oprah.

Starting point is 01:14:10 I don't love everybody the same. I'm sorry. No, but if you don't have anabolic, do you have symmetry? I do, yeah, I bought that. All right, good. We'll send you maps in a bulk if you don't have it. I think that's great advice. Adam hit the nail on the head.

Starting point is 01:14:22 If at the end, you don't have access to barbells, do maps and a ball like the dumbbell version, and it's already written out for you. Yeah. All right, cool. Thank you guys. You got it, brother. Thanks, man. Thanks for calling out. Sir.

Starting point is 01:14:35 Yeah, I think that's the thing that people need to understand is the, what you said, Justin, beautiful. Because if you're going to, if you have a right to left discrepancy, training like a power lifter is gonna make that, it's gonna strengthen the hell out of it. Yeah, cause it's all bilateral, barbell work, and you're training with high load. High load is when this stuff happens.

Starting point is 01:14:59 I think about this, if someone's listening right now, think about when you were spotting your friend doing a bench press, and form looks good, form looks good, form looks good, and then they start to get to those reps. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, the bar starts to twist, and their chest comes, turns and weird stuff starts to happen.

Starting point is 01:15:15 So when you're doing a high load exercise that you can't even do the positive portion of the rep, you're just doing the eccentric, that's probably counter to what we're trying to accomplish with Map Symmetry, which is to develop symmetrical strength, control, and stability on both sides, which then translates profoundly to bilateral exercises. Which is, I think, such a good point that you made, because we talk a lot about practicing exercises on the podcast, and there are specific exercises

Starting point is 01:15:45 I think that lend themselves well to that type of a deal than ones that don't. And doing something that is so difficult that you can't even do the positive portion of the rep would not be in that category of ideal. If he said something like, hey, man, when I do seated row, it just makes my posture feel really good all time. And I see it's not program It was program. Can I practice that? Yeah, absolutely cut the load down to you know 30 40% and do it every single day If you want if it helps out your your posture and you're not getting sore from it

Starting point is 01:16:14 But that's an exercise you could easily control if you lighten the load and it's it is just a practice and technique thing Or something like that like yeah, you have those Nordic rolls, you do five reps of those things. They're norway. Yeah, you're blasted. Yeah. Our next caller is Maxi from Australia. Maxi, what's happening?

Starting point is 01:16:32 How can we help you? Yo, how's it going guys? Super stoked to have, so I should be on the podcast. So I've been this year for three, four months now. So kind of a new this now, but make my way back through. So I just wanted to say, thank you so much for providing such like a powerful resource man. So really helped me on my recovery journey. So thank you. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:17:03 Yeah, so a little I won't take up too much of your time, but a little backstory on me So I managed to work out. So Yeah, about a year ago I fell down like a slippery slope of developing the eating disorder pretty tough time and the brief slope of developing the eating disorder. Pretty tough time. And got pretty lean, got down to about 45 kilograms. Lost all my muscle mass. I didn't really have any, I never drank train before that. And yeah, it was hospitalized with a collapsed lung and really, really spiraled out. It was a pretty tough time and following

Starting point is 01:17:50 a natural disaster, which I got caught up in as well, I started to abuse alcohol pretty bad and yeah, quickly decided to change gears and and it makes some bit of decisions for my life. So I picked up weight training after some doctors advice and I've been training for about a year now and I put on 20 kilos and restored my weight and coupling strength training and nutrition has been just like the perfect marriage and it really helped me recover and regain my weight. It's seriously saved my life, so I'm really glad to be going down that path. So he's been very careful.

Starting point is 01:18:46 So that six months ago, I got hit with chronic fatigue or a lot of doctors diagnosed me with that chronic fatigue syndrome or long COVID. And simultaneously I've plateaued in the gym and it's yeah, I've been lean bulking for about six months but I'm not making any progress and then I was starting to actually progress so I took a deloid week recently but yeah basically my question for you guys is having like this kind of stress on your body,

Starting point is 01:19:28 like it's a chronic fatigue and possible lung COVID, is that, is that like a potential to like really slow down your progress in the gym. Obviously, that sounds like a silly question, but yeah, I would just love your guys opinion and your advice Fully in that. So it's not a silly question. I think I think it really can depend. It could depend on How stressed you already over are already are with the lack of potential sleep and energy and then What your training protocol slash diet looks like. If you're also under eating and over training, and also have this chronic fatigue, then absolutely,

Starting point is 01:20:12 it's a quick recipe to not only plateau but regress. So I think the idea is to build a routine and diet that is less focused on building tons of muscle or making these massive gains, but taking care of your body and trying to get to a place where you feel more energy, you sleep better and things like that. So what is your training look like right now? Are you following one of our programs? Are you doing your own thing? Tell me a little bit about your training. Yeah, I'm not currently following one of your programs. Obviously hearing a lot about them listening to the show,

Starting point is 01:20:48 I'm excited to think about it. But about a year ago, I kind of like paste together my own push pull legs program. It's a 10 days split, so it's push pull legs, push pull, rest, legs, rest, and then repeat. And intensity is quite high. Like two reps from a two reps of failure, but like not a lot of sets. And I'm like starting to like really reduce my volume, like on my legs day, on my legs day, I only squat now. And my diet's like pretty dialled in to where I'm like consistently gaining a little bit of weight

Starting point is 01:21:34 week to week, eating 2700 to 2800 calories. So like I am like, body composition changes, but it doesn't really seem to line up with my strength in the gym as it likes to clients. I got more questions for you, Maxi. If you don't, first off, congratulations on where you've come from. That's very challenging and that's a win in itself. That's a huge win. And I appreciate the bravery, right? You're on a show.

Starting point is 01:22:09 It's gonna be publicized and you're talking about this. This is great because there's a lot of people out there that you might help by telling this to. So I'm gonna ask you some questions. You don't have to answer them if you don't want or if you don't feel comfortable, but did you end of figuring out what it was or the reason why you developed the eating disorder and the alcohol issues. Did you end up figuring that out?

Starting point is 01:22:36 Yeah sure. I knew you're going to ask this question actually. question actually. Yeah, I have, you know, I've spoken with therapists and I really got down to this like control. Basically, it was just like finding control in my life. You know, like it was like finding that like deep cause didn't really seem to change much, but it certainly made it much more clear and more simple as to why I didn't need to do that to myself. Why I could get better and avoid these destructive behaviors. with these destructive behaviors, you know? So, yeah, I'm feeling like I have much better relationship with food now. And, you know, it's a long journey

Starting point is 01:23:31 and a little way to still be sitting there to vacuum mine, but, yeah, the relationship is improved. So that's common, it's common that because for people who don't understand control, they're like, what do you mean by control? Oftentimes when people feel out of control, whether in their life now, or they grew up in an environment where it wasn't stable,

Starting point is 01:23:55 or there was a lack of control, then they find something that they can control, which is food, and it gives them that sense of control, right? Or at least that's how the theory was your life at the time? Was it that your life at the time fell out of control or was this something that started in childhood and believe trust me. Yeah. Just going somewhere so. No, I'm sure yeah, no, it was certainly environmental, you know, this is really kind of came came under a lot of environmental stress and that was like due to COVID of course and you know being relocated to cities and especially with alcohol it was certainly environmental.

Starting point is 01:24:38 I think anybody under the right and around the right circumstances and under the right and around the second in the right circumstances and under the right amount of stress can be vulnerable to these things And yeah, you know COVID was quite The lockdowns here in Australia were quite intense and if you guys heard over since but um, and Like that I did get caught up in a major flood disaster where my whole community lost everything. So it was certainly environmental stress was part of it. And your environment is different now. Let me ask you a question about what's happening right now,

Starting point is 01:25:16 because what you did is you went through something really challenging, correct me if I'm wrong, really challenging, really challenging environment. and you said quite accurately, in the right conditions, I mean, anybody will try to find a coping mechanism and it can be alcohol drugs, it could be eating disorder, it could be lots of different things. So you're in this really challenging situation. You pulled yourself out of it and part of the tools that you used to pull yourself out was exercise and eating healthy or properly to kind of change your body. Now you're in the position. So then you went on this period of like gaining muscle, gaining strength and feeling better. This is amazing. This is working. This is amazing. Now you're plateauing, you feel fatigue. By the way, chronic fatigue syndrome tends to be

Starting point is 01:26:08 an umbrella term that means we don't know why you're tired. So we're just gonna label it, right? And long COVID seems to be one of those things as well to the best of my knowledge. Like we don't know what's going on. Do you feel out of control right now? I don't know what's going on. Do you feel out of control right now?

Starting point is 01:26:26 No, I feel out of control. Okay, good. I'm glad you said that because what I don't want you for you to go back or start to develop a relationship with exercise and diet that is also unhealthy. So not doing it can be unhealthy, but doing it to the point where if you're not progressing and you're not seeing these things that maybe pulled you out of something before or gave

Starting point is 01:26:50 you these profound changes before, that could push you to doing things that are also destructive. So here's what I'm going to ask you to do before we talk about your workout and what you need to do. I want you to realize the total values of exercise and nutrition. And part of that value, which is the ones that we tend to attach most of our value to, is strength, fat loss, muscle gain, aesthetic.

Starting point is 01:27:18 But now you're in a position where that's not happening for some reason, and you're trying to figure out why with your health. But now you need to use exercise and diet in a way that just makes you feel better. And you need to stop measuring your success in terms of strength and aesthetics because there's something underlying that you still haven't figured out. So I would go to the gym and I would eat and the things that I would use to dictate whether or not I'm moving in the right direction is does this make me feel better objectively, physically? Am I sleeping better? Does this give me more energy? Is my digestion better?

Starting point is 01:27:56 Is my mood more positive? And if it is, you're on the right track. If it isn't, you're on the right track. I would ignore the weight on the bar completely. I would ignore all the physical strength and fat loss asset for now. Until we figure out what the root issue is as to why you may be feeling the way you're feeling, then lastly, I'll say this. And I don't know how available this is to you or your app,

Starting point is 01:28:24 but I know here in the States, we have now quite a bit of functional medicine practitioners, which are excellent and will go way further than your typical MD. So an MD will say chronic fatigue syndrome and they did your normal blood test. Well, everything looks like normal, but we can't really figure out what's going on. A functional medicine practitioner is going to do test after test after test after test, and they're going to go deeper and deeper and deeper and try and figure out what's going on. So I highly suggest you view exercise and nutrition as a way to right now, just make yourself feel better. That's what your workouts are going to look like, that's what your diets are going to look like.

Starting point is 01:29:01 If it makes me feel better, do it. If it doesn't, then let's do it in a way that makes me feel better. And then I would contact and work with a functional medicine practitioner, and I would tell them exactly what your symptoms are, exactly what the diagnosis is. And if anybody's going to get to the root cause of while you're feeling this way, it will be a good functional medicine practitioner. Do you know of any in your area around there? Because if not, we can recommend you to some of the ones that we work with. And I do believe they do things virtually as well. Yeah, I'm happily looking to what you'd recommend. But yeah, I do have a few contacts around.

Starting point is 01:29:36 I've been kind of tiptoeing in. Yeah, there's obviously I've been on this fatigue journey for the past six months. I've exhausted a lot of my general practitioners surrounding me and a lot of general medicine. So I have definitely started taking a lane of, I think I need to, and especially the thing to you guys, you's like you're saying to promote functional medicine, and I think that's definitely the next kind of, next goal. I would take advantage of our free form

Starting point is 01:30:15 that we have access already. So he has access to Dr. Cabral in there, so he can start in that direction, and they offer tons of. It's MP holistic health, right? Is that on Facebook? Correct. MP, it's a free forum, right? Is that on Facebook? Correct. MP, it's a free forum.

Starting point is 01:30:27 So you can go there and ask questions. And then I'd like to give you maps and a ballock and maps 15. And let me tell you how I would decide what to use. I want to give you both programs and to South's point of what you're supposed to be gauging. I'm not worried about strength. I'm not worried about six pack abs,

Starting point is 01:30:45 I'm worried about feeling good and the workout complimenting what's going on. So let's say it hasn't been the greatest night of sleep or I feel a little stress, would work, whatever stuff's going on, I would ask you to pick something from Maps 15, a workout from that. Let's say you start to string a couple good weeks

Starting point is 01:31:04 of great rest, good eating, your energy levels are up, then I would pull from maps and a ballic. So it's not a normal thing that I would recommend to someone for like following our programs, but you could do that. And I would tell you to use your best judgment on how you feel on how you should train. I think anabolic and 15 would be two good programs to have at your disposal. Yeah, and just for, look, you might know this already, but for anybody listening, functional

Starting point is 01:31:32 medicine practitioners are not, woo, woo, they're not, they use real medical testing. They, they, the difference is their, their goal, entire goal is not to mask symptoms with medications, but rather figure out why the hell you have symptoms in the first place. And there's a few categories of things that Western medicine does a terrible job working with. One of them is chronic fatigue syndrome. Look it up.

Starting point is 01:32:01 Anybody who's experienced with this knows that this is a term that they use when they can't figure out why the hell you feel so tired. So they say, you got chronic fatigue syndrome and that's it. We don't know what the hell is going on. And maybe they'll try and antidepressant, maybe they'll try throwing other things at you. But there's a reason why you're suddenly have this crushing fatigue. There's a reason, does that mean we'll be able to figure it out? I don't know. but the best people for that are people who that's what they do and that's functional medicine practitioner. So 100% going that direction.

Starting point is 01:32:31 Great, great, that's great advice. Thank you. You got it. And we'll send those programs to you so you have those two to pull from, okay? Yeah, that'd be amazing. I really appreciate you guys taking the time and Thank you so much again like you guys If it sounds crazy, but you know it feels like Just you're my mates now because I just You're in the car every day and you're at home. I'm cooking dinner and

Starting point is 01:32:58 It's real great. It's a great time. I appreciate that. We are maxi. Keep it follow up with us, too Let us know how everything's going. Yeah Listen, all right, really Scott. Thank you. I had a client like this where she went to the doctor Typical blood tests and hormones and we looked at this and that she's like, oh, I just got you know I got chronic fatigue syndrome What just the label and then that was you know, you know, irritable bowel syndrome used to be, so I have gut issues. They used to tell me, oh, you just have IBS. What the fuck is that? Oh, it's just a broad term for you.

Starting point is 01:33:30 Oh, your gut, just, you know, whatever. Keep you old. What the hell is it? Oh, it's IBS. We just call it IBS. Well, you guess what we know now? Now we know that there's SIBO, CFO, leaky gut syndrome. By the way, they laughed all those stuff

Starting point is 01:33:43 and made fun of this stuff. Hair sites, yeah. Who were the ones that were first looking at those things and identified those things? Functional medicine. Functional medicine practitioners. So if you're walking around with a label. Fair mental causes, all kinds of things.

Starting point is 01:33:55 If you suddenly feel like something is wrong and they can't figure it out and they label it, labeling it doesn't mean anything. It just means that you got a label now. Go to the root, try and figure out the root and you have to be your best advocate. I have run it too, that they labeled the chronic fatigue syndrome and or long-coated.

Starting point is 01:34:13 Loathe of it, which has also been debunked. Well, just there's like, what is it? And you know, I just like the blanket. I just read some crazy data on, they just released some data showing that I swore to God, and this is controversial right now, that wearing especially N95 masks all the time, actually produced in a significant amount of people,

Starting point is 01:34:35 symptoms that could be labeled long COVID. So who knows, that's one controversial study that's coming out, so I'm not saying that's the deal, that's the deal But who knows who knows? Our next caller is Chris from New York Chris. What's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys? How are you? First off, you know cool first off. Yeah, thanks again for having me on and you know, I just started listening to you guys about two months or so ago and Yeah, you guys are legit. I'm totally hooked It's awesome stuff. I listen to you guys daily You know, just some background real quick on me is you know, I'm 53 married. I fork kids

Starting point is 01:35:18 I played athletics and college both football and the cross Never really lifted until after college both football and the cross. I've never really left it until after college. It was all like, you know, basic global stuff. And then I cross-fitted for about seven years, hurt my shoulder, and now I've been lifting for the last call of three years. I have never really followed a program at all. And I just finished week two of advanced calendar maps out of public. Yeah, and it's pretty awesome. I'm actually already seeing, you know, small strength gains.

Starting point is 01:35:54 But it's pretty sweet. But onto my question, I know there's a range of rest time. It says up to three minutes. And I was curious how different rest times would affect end results. For example, if I just like, if I'm doing like a back squat and I hit one rep, then I rest three minutes at a heavier weight, how would that impact results

Starting point is 01:36:21 if I was doing say three reps with a lower weight and a less of a rest time. If that makes sense. Yeah, it makes total sense. Really good question. Yeah. So, all right, so here's a deal with the rest periods. I would say anywhere between on the low, low end, 30 seconds to on the high end, I don't

Starting point is 01:36:42 know, five minutes, maybe even longer. You're going to see muscle and strength gains within those. The lower end, the lower end, more stamina and strength stamina on the higher end, more just kind of pure strength. Now, here's where it gets confusing. If you look at studies, and this is one of the problems with studies, is they'll compare things head to head in like a 16-week period, is they'll compare things head-to-head in like a 16-week period, and they'll say, or less.

Starting point is 01:37:08 Yeah, or less, right? And they'll say, okay, we took two groups of college-aged males, usually what it is, and this group rested for three minutes, and this group rested for 60 seconds, and they'll say, who built more muscle and strength? And at the end of the study, it shows that the three-minute group built more muscle and strength. And at the end of the study, it shows that the three-minute group built more muscle and strength. Okay. Now that study is correct, but the problem is that just like anything, your body stops kind of responding really well when it starts to get, you know, for lack of a better term, used to a style of training. So you take somebody, like I'll give you an

Starting point is 01:37:41 example, stand effort things, been on the show a couple times. He was a power lifter then he became a bodybuilder and he had a tough time winning his pro card. And one thing he did is he hired a train a flex wheeler who was a popular bodybuilder of the 90s. And what flex wheeler did is he cut his rest times way down and had him do high rep sets and Stan just built a lot of muscle. Now it's because his Stan was so used to train like a power lifter, that it was this new novel stimulus

Starting point is 01:38:08 and it just totally worked. So the, I guess the short story is, they all have value, you wanna be able to cycle through all of them, they're gonna feel different when you're doing them, but they all have a lot of value. So that's why when you see a program like Maps and Obolic or any of our other programs, we tend to have you go through different rep ranges

Starting point is 01:38:29 for phases and oftentimes, you know, rest periods. So if there's a rest period that you've been doing consistently for a long time now, I would say change it to either resting longer or shorter, depending where you're at. And of course you'll have to adjust the weight and it's going to feel very different. But they're all going to work for you. But also realize to the principle of specificity applies.

Starting point is 01:38:52 So as we're going through these like rest periods to try and stay consistent within a few weeks, three to four weeks. So that way your body can fully acquire this skill and get good at it. And so that way that we phase through these and try to make sure that we're on top of this so we don't hit those inevitable plateaus with that, but that's why we do that. We don't just add in like these long-respirate and short-respirates and kind of confuse the body that way. It's a lot more effective to kind of stay

Starting point is 01:39:26 within that framework for a good three to four weeks. A good generic rule of thumb is where you suck at the most is where the gains lie. So let's say you be being a guy who did CrossFit for seven years, you probably have a tendency to keep the workout moving, not very long respite. So if I got a guy like that, I love taking him and going like, hey, we're going to rest

Starting point is 01:39:52 for three plus minutes, bro. And then we're going to stack more weight on this. And that is going to be challenging for that avatar because for seven years, he's trained in this way of short respite. So he tends to do that very well. So whatever you suck at tends to be where the best gains lie. So that's kind of a good rule of thumb that if you know that you could cut the rest period shorter and you like that, it's easy. Well, you're probably going to get more out of the longer rest periods and loading heavier

Starting point is 01:40:19 away. Cool. Yeah, that's what I can try and do, but it's totally, it's definitely like a transition or a change. I'm like pacing around the gym with my stopwatch. But you see the strength. I mean, it's wild. I mean, it's like every session, every foundational workout. I only go up a little bit, but it's, I feel like I can get more reps, but I'm just, I need to stay within the program. I'm my ego get in the box. And tell you what, that's the right attitude.

Starting point is 01:40:47 And you're going to reap the benefits for having, but for doing that, just trust the process. Mental discipline. You get to apply. Yeah. And if you, this is your first real maps program following, if you start to follow a second or third one, you're going to start to see how we integrate all those different tempos and rest periods. And so, you know, they really were designed with that idea

Starting point is 01:41:05 that you don't just follow one. And definitely you follow one, run it maybe once or twice. Then you go on to another program. And as you see, as you go through each program, we introduce all these different philosophy. So you're constantly getting the gains and results. So if you trust the process, that promise we won't let you down. Chris, the next one would be Maths Performance.

Starting point is 01:41:24 That's where I will go next, that's from Math Centabolic. Okay, Math Performance. Okay, yeah, because I'm totally going to cycle through them. I'm psyched to have found out about you guys for sure. Again, thanks a lot for taking the time, guys. We're going to send you over Math Performance, and then the next one after that would be aesthetic. We'll send you over Math Performance for free, and then after you're done with performance, I'd

Starting point is 01:41:47 move on to the static. Yep. Awesome. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it guys. All right. All right. Good question. Yeah. So I'm going to just say right now exactly what the challenge is going to be for everybody listening who does what we just said. Here's what's going gonna happen. You're gonna change to a new rest period, and then you're gonna be like, oh my God, this is the thing. This works, and then you're gonna stay

Starting point is 01:42:12 in that stupid rest period for too long. That's it, 100%. In plateau again, and I did this. It's how we all got here. Oh my God. It's how we all got here. Time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and before you plateau, that's the way to do it. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com

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