Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 206: Pre-post workout meals, HMB, training for powerlifting & MORE

Episode Date: December 23, 2015

The Mind Pump Studio is empty this week but the shows keep coming! Sal, Adam & Justin answer more questions from last weeks Instagram post about what to eat before and after workouts if you don't want to take supplements, how a 16 year should train for powerlifting, the supplement HMB for muscle growth and performance & choosing the perfect piece of exercise equipment for sex. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Learn more about Mind Pump at www.mindpumpradio.com

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that was the whitest beatboxing of all time. It's like I really like rap, but you could see why. I don't like, you you know try and identify with it So guys I had a spiritual experience the other one real one Another one. Yes. I had another one. Okay, so I was meditating and You know trying to do what were you doing like this? Yeah, yeah, I was I was humming strangely Yeah, yeah, and had my eyes closed and I started speaking in tongues. I was singing in I was sitting across the bed, huh? Are you medicated? I was totally natural. Okay, which is what makes it real strange. And I'm sitting there and it's dark. Okay, and I'm focusing and I'm breathing

on and I'm thinking no pants. Okay. And I never had pants on. Okay. And sage or bay leaves. What? Sager bay leaves. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I'm talking about aromas, bro. Oh, oh, I like them both. Stay with me. I like them both. Lavender.

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And little by little, it's like contraction. Little by little, I start leaving this dimension, I start leaving my body. What? And that's when I heard it. Quauho. Stupid. You have to be listening to that whole story for that, bro. You know, it's funny, bro.

Oh my god. We got sucked in. We were like, this close to my guy was like, Adam is so disappointed. I got him so excited about that So much for play for the quatt that was those are wasted four minutes We're like a little kid. He's like what happened? What dad? That quad That quad. That give you blue balls? Yeah, dude.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, bro. Go on. Yeah, we do have qua. Go on with it. All right, Richard Hill, 85. The best for the 85 years old, or he was born in 1985. One of the two.

Or his favorite player who was 85 back on the Niners. Oh, that's got to be Roger Craig. That's the way in for Sal with his Thank you. That's one of the three people Don't black and gold man Couldn't be because that's more of a receiver. Damn you know you suck at sports and Doug knows more His question is the best pre-during and post meal if you don't want to take any supplements. Oh, okay This is what you eat before during you probably should eat a meal during your workouts. No, no, no, no, no.

You should even even start saying that without preface it with it totally 100% depends on your goals. Yeah, because Great, great, great. What's best if you're just looking for an overall performance in your workout, what's best if you're trying to build muscle or what's best if you're trying to burn. We now lean out, burn fat. Right.

Because all three of those change for all three of those scenarios. So for performance studies will show that consuming about two hours before your workout, roughly around two hours before. Basically you digest it. Yeah. Some carbohydrates, starches, probably good, like white rice would be good. And maybe a little bit of lean protein. Not a ton, you don't wanna have a big ass meal

before you work out. So, you know, some rice and maybe some chicken, and maybe throw in a little bit of green vegetables just so you don't get constipated. That's for performance. For fat loss, fasted is probably the best. You wouldn't get some more fat in the pre. If they're keto, here's a thing.

If they're ketogenic, if they're dieting and they're very, very low carb, then some medium chain triglycerides would be good. Well, you didn't say, look, I'm not thinking, I'm not thinking low carb. I'm just thinking in general, you wouldn't have done, you wouldn't do like the right, maybe rice avocado and like in the chicken rice.

You know what, for health, yes, but for performance, it slows down and like in the chicken breast. You know what, for health, yes, but for performance, it slows down the absorption of the carbohydrates. So theoretically, you're probably better off with just proteins and carbs. Well, that's what I was, I was, but I mean, again, I'm saying theoretical, because I don't think there's ever really been a study done

that's specifically on that, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So for fat loss, you probably want to go into it fasted. For sure. During, I don't see how you want to eat during a workout, unless you're like an hour. Well, you might maybe branch into me, I asked it or something, you wouldn't want to eat a meal.

But he's saying no hardcore even, yeah. It's only like cyclists and like marathoner. That's what I'm saying. And yeah, they even need like that carbohydrate. And it's usually in like a really instant like digestible form. It's in a gel or something. It's a giz-packet. It's a giz-packet of carbs.

Yeah, so, you know, if you're doing a super long workout, let's say you're doing for some crazy reason, I don't know why, but you'd be doing a three hour workout, then you might want to take a break at about an hour and a half and eat some fruit probably, or maybe some more starches just to give you some more of the glycogen that you might need. And then post workout, studies will show 2-to-1 ratio carbohydrate to protein for recovery. If you're keto, it's 2-to-1 now.

I remember when it was 6-to-1, 4-to-1, and now it's 2-to-1. Yeah, it could be exactly. See, that's the thing. Yeah, you know that 6 to 1 4 to 1 and now it's 2 to 1. Yeah, it could be exactly. See That's the thing. Yeah, you know, it's not an exact. It's not really an exact. It's probably up to the individual. That's actually, you know, how they absorb it, right? Yeah, it's totally a, and it's not super exact at this point, but healthy, you know, and here's the thing. For me personally, for performance, I might do okay with a little bit of carbs pre-workout or nothing. Having a meal, even in two hours or an hour before,

for me, I tend to perform a little worse. You know, I do better fasted, you know, or almost fasted. Well, it took a while to adapt to that though, right? Because for me, it was like the opposite. Yeah, I took me a bit to get used to training fasted, but then once I did going back, yeah, if I eat anything before that,

I have a terrible workout. Even when I'm in a performance state. So that's just because I've done, I've trained that way for quite some time now. So, but yeah, initially, you know, it was a little bit of a shocker, but then, you know, I adapt to pretty quickly. It's interesting.

You have to take into account the variances between individuals because again, there's general truths when it comes to nutrition of fitness, but we're talking about nutrition, but there's a huge variance between. Well, you just didn't right there. Well, I'm different than you guys. Right. Yeah. I know you always have to eat before.

Yeah, I have to eat before and I know I want something right before I want something about two three hours before Yeah, you know, I just I need to have had it with your typical pre workout meal if you want to have a good workout Like when we meet up on Fridays and you're getting ready because you want to try and outlift me well No Actually plans that you know on a Friday see so I will And I don't call it fast because I'm nowhere near fast. And I have a very big breakfast almost like two breakfasts for my early breakfast. Yeah, breakfast reviews.

Like that. Oh my breakfasts. Take all your words, smash them together. You got all one more big old breakfasts. And I rub it on the breakfast. I got all like mowing on the breakfast. I got all like blowing on your breath. You I can I don't even you guys are fucking too fast I can't even make for myself. I'm tired. I stopped and fucking talk shit about myself. I'm sorry But like jumped all over me. I have to

It is more fun. So you have a big breakfast So I have my holy breakfast. Holy breakfast. My big breakfast. And then I actually, I won't, if we'll be trained like it anywhere between, if I train you, we're between 11 and three, I won't have another meal. If I do anything, I'll do like this banana blueberry spinach almond milk shake. Oh, for a second, I got grossed out, but then you mixed it together. That sounds like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah a second, I got grossed out, but then you mixed it together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, make it into it. I think I'm gonna make a muffin.

This is fucking weird. So it's really light and a little bit of fruit and stuff like that in there. And I get it maybe an hour, half hour, hour before I train, or I'll go in without any meal, just because I don't want to feel lethargic. So I do definitely if I eat a big meal within an hour or less of a workout, I do feel a little... I want to take a nap. But I don't like being fasted completely fast.

So I couldn't go and not eat, and I do fast all the time, but this is not how I do it. I would not fast and then train with you guys at, you know, 11, 1 or 2 in a fasted state because I can't get, especially when we're trying to get after it. If I'm just going through a workout, that's not a problem. But if it's a day that like you said, where we mean on Friday, like, I know we're gonna, we always tend to get after it a little bit.

So, you know, so I wanna be fueled for that for sure. You know, it's preference, you know, I'm saying that's all that is. I was gonna say it's not like a science behind that. Let me give you an example of how, how different the human body can adapt, okay? I was just blown the fuck away by a study that I read not too long ago about athletes, extreme endurance

athletes who eat ketogenic diets, ketogenic diet being extremely low carbohydrate, very high fat and moderate protein. Yeah, that's extreme. And these are athletes that are extreme athletes. They were advanced athletes. These are people who do marathons and longer, 100 mile bike rides, and they compared them to other athletes. Now in the past, I've said this a million times on the show,

eating a low carbohydrate diet, you're gonna get drop in performance, and like clockwork, you always do. However, the body adapts. So they took athletes who'd been doing this for six months or longer. And the average length of time that each of these athletes had been eating this way was something like 20 months. So they'd been doing this for six months or longer. And the average length of time that each of these athletes had been eating this way was something like 20 months.

So they'd been doing this for a long time. They tested them against other athletes and their performance was excellent. They had no drops in performance. And this is the crazy part. They stored as much glycogen in their muscles as the other athletes did. So their body's adapted.

This is what eight months later, I believe, right? I think you sent that to us. Well, they all had to have at least six months of being on the Qtto. So it just goes to show you that, I believe, right? I think you sent that to us. Well, they all had to have at least six months. Yeah, right. So it just goes to show you that, you know, at the end of the day, kind of listen to your body, there are general truths that you should eat healthy, you should probably eat whole food, you should probably, you know, don't overeat,

but, you know, best pre-workout meal for you might be different than what it is for someone else. It likely is to be different than what it is. Well, at the end of the day, and I think Lane Norton was one of the ones I think I was listening to when he talked about this. Someone asked her a very similar question to him. And at the end of the day, it's more important you get what your body needs. When, whether you get it in one meal, two meals spread out over four or time, I mean, I just wrote a post not too long ago on my Instagram that, you know, meal timing is a crock of shit, you know,

and the whole post was about that. It's not that it's a crocker shit that there's no such thing. Like we just said, you could eat two hours before and technically it's better for performance. Yes, the science is there supportive. But most people now, especially because of the bodybuilding world, you know, do it for aesthetic reasons and trying to build a better physique. And at the end of the day, if you're getting what your body needs, it doesn't necessarily work that way. You're talking about splitting hairs of splitting hairs

when you're getting down to breaking up time and you're gonna put in a pubic hair. Yeah, exactly. Those tend to be thicker though, so you're buying. You're spending less of it. But if I always tell people too though, if it helps, that's part of your regimen, I get that too, where you have a good discipline

about that you like to eat this, you know, like I did like a shake, you know, that shake is a good time for me to get some spinach in there. I get my blueberries in there like. Now do you blend the, the, the, yeah, so you don't juice it, you blend it. Yeah, so it's like a magic, it's the bullet, the magic bullet.

Yeah, yeah, I have the, because I might be getting one for Christmas, that's why I was asking. Well, yeah, that one I'll fit in the, the magic bullet or whatever you have to put it in Yeah, to put it in the the big one for that magic That's bug those things do like little things those things are cool. They were for I like it, you know, it's put Justin I bought Justin a booty bullet

It's fantastic. It's magic too. Tommy teen fitness. Oh, I guess the next question. Yeah, we're moving on. Yeah, yeah How should a 16 year old train for power? I'm sorry How's it a 16 year old train for power? Let's eat the same way a 20 year old wood with special emphasis and on form and on technique and on stability. Just through my experience training 16 year olds, they just probably grew recently and they're in a new body, they're not as coordinated.

So like I'll give you an example, if I have a 20 year old, take a dumbbell and press it above their head, who hasn't worked out, it's gonna be less wobbly and all over the place than it's 16 year olds. So you have to pay special attention to that. Yeah, well, we just call that, I mean, it's composure, right? And it's exactly what you said.

Working on that spatial awareness and just body mechanics. And the best advice I would give as far as getting into powerlifting is making sure your coach is very adamant about your form and you perform these lifts with weight that's not like too demanding. So you want to make sure that the emphasis is on the mechanics of what you're doing. And you're not trying to achieve these PR benchmark things like you are in your other compound lifts. So you're building your strength

through your back loaded squats, your you know, these types of things. And now you're expressing that strength in a in an accelerated form, okay? But we're keeping it light because especially at that age, you know, you have nothing but longevity, you know, in front of you. And it's not, the importance is not that you're moving a ton of load over your head or you're catching a lot of weight from the ground. It's in how your body moves and you get that reaction. That's immediate. And don't forget the technique because a lot of powerlifting is technique. It's not just strength. Yeah. 100%. So you're going to practice a lot of powerlifting is technique. It's not just strength. Yeah, 100%. So you're gonna practice a lot of technique.

I say proprioception and technique all day long. I mean, there's no reason for them to be lifting heavy weight. Now, that being said, I have seen it before too, with 15, 16, 17 year olds that do end up having, they do or they have that technique, they have that form, they, when say you get training and they pick it up,

and they're normally anomalies. You know, it's rare to see it as someone that young with just this great, rigid, solid, perfect form. It's just, the body mechanics aren't there yet. They're not, the maturity isn't there. But there are, there are those anomalies and I've seen those kids before. You know, and that's what it is.

I think it's having a good coach who can assess that and look at him and him or her and say, oh, yeah, she's ready to he or she's ready to start stacking some real weight on there and actually trying to lift heavyweight. Otherwise, the lifting have even though it's powerlifting, it's the weight part is not important whatsoever at this point in their in their career of lifting. It's all technique. It's all. Well, if you're not getting that from your coach, either don't be afraid to seek that out.

Like, you know, seek out a professional, you know, Olympic or powerlifting coach that can, you know, spend some time with you and assess your body mechanics and making sure that everything is lined up and you're doing things correctly because, you know, you're setting yourself up for later on. And if you do it the wrong way, you're gonna build bad habits. You know what this reminds me of? 16 year olds or 15 year old, like right around the age group.

It reminds me of like when you see a dog, like a big dog especially, they grow super fast. So you'll see like a one year old, you know, rot wiler, it's a big dog already. But you ever watch them walk and move and they're kind of clumsy with their movement movement They're not fully used to their body. Yeah as a matter of fact The term old man strength. We've heard this but I'm sure you've heard this before where someone's like Oh, he's got old man strength

You know you ever see like a 17 18 year old who's like really strong then he goes and wrestles his 45 50 year old dad And the dad just kicks his ass even though the dad's not as strong as the kid He just knows how to use his strength better. It's because the dad has been in his body in that size for a lot longer than the kid has. And so that's where a lot of this coordination issues come from, but these young kids, and that's what's so important for folks to make.

He ability to fire that central nervous system, so it's exactly what that is. And that kid doesn't have that at that age, and that's why, and I tell you what, the kid that actually chooses to take the smart path, which does not get concerned about lifting super heavyweight or PRing and is solely focused on becoming a master at technique, watch what that kid is in two years

through that kid will be a bad ass. That's the growth from that. Yeah, if that's why you have to think in those terms. If that become, if being able to do those movements become like doing that in the sleep for him, and it doesn't matter if he was considered strong or not, he is going to fucking excel. Other than what most kids do is they look at these people that are their peers or a little bit older that have been powerlifting and they just, they want to get to a certain

weight. And I look over at the way they're doing their form and their backs are all rounded and they have terrible technique and form and they're just, they're trying to lift more weight and more weight so they catch their buddy It's like that person's gonna have an uphill battle the rest of their powerlifting career because they didn't start off You've heard of it just like golfing right with golfers. They create an a ceiling most most people tell you if you ever get interested in playing golf Like do not go swing a club until you go talk to a pro have somebody show you because what's happened? You learn bad you? You get bad technique. I think to relearn it is like a whole new process. Most people just say, fuck it. I have a hitch in my swing. I'll forever. I'm not trying to become a pro. And then

they just have kind of bad technique for the rest of their way through the rest of it. And they'll hack their way through the rest of their golf lives. It's funny. You say that because I remember I had a for the short period of time that I did boxing, the boxing coach told me it's easier to teach a beginner how to box than it is to teach a black belt and tack window how to box. Because they have to unlearn all their, their old martial art moves to learn the boxing.

Whereas a beginner goes in with an empty cup. You know what I mean? The cup is empty, there's no knowledge in there, I'm just gonna fill it. Yep, you know. So true. Next question is from Boom Boom Fit One. He's asking about HMB for muscle growth and performance.

Boom Boom Fit, boom Boom Fit. Yeah. You're right there with me, bro. Yeah. HMB, Hydroxy, methyl butyl butyl right. That is, it's an interesting substance. It's a metallic, don't laugh it metallic. Put a white coat on this gentleman. You know what? Give him a stethoscope. Somebody this bullying is getting hold.

It's getting hold though. Well, you know, it's, we're just, it feels like we've been doing, we've been doing this forever. But you know, now we really, we haven't. And I feel like now that these Q&As have come around a few hundred times now It feels like almost I'm starting to pick up on South patterns He always picks these ones anywhere where he can he can put in that he knows a big fucking long word for you know for the acronym I'm Dr. Oxymanal Beofake. Yeah He's like, oh, yeah, let's answer that question. I'm like and you you know, it never, it never ceases to amaze because he's got here. Listen, you know what?

You have a point there because if we look back to all the, we've probably done, we've done over 100 Q&A. I guarantee you, go back to all of them. There's never been a sports one. Yeah, there's a reason for that. I know, there's a reason for that. Yeah, you see, I look at like an acronym like HMB and all I see is like huge man boners.

Yeah, right? That must be what it is. Well, so huge man boners. So HMB, it's a metabolite of losing, the amino acid losing, which is one of the branching amino acids, which are losing, nice and losing and valine, I believe. Approximately, I believe five, something like five to 10% of losing is converted to HMB in the body.

On a gram per gram basis, HMB is more effective at preventing muscle protein breakdown. So it prevents catabolism or where your body is trying to break down and destroy muscle. So HMB is like losing in the sense that it does that, but it's more effective on a gram-for-gram basis. It's also a lot more expensive, too, when you try to purchase it. That all being said, the studies are very, very good in promising I did Chimbe. Studies show that it prevents over-training,

it lowers myostatin, people get better athletic performance from it. When they give it to the elderly, they lose less muscle as they age There's all these amazing benefits in fact HMB. I believe They'll probably be serving in hospitals soon to people who are in who are bedridden to help prevent muscle loss Now with all that understanding all that my personal experience with HMB I don't know anybody who's ever been had their mind blown by H&B.

I don't know anybody. I've, H&B's been around for a long time. Probably the only supplement that's been studied more than H&B is creatine. But I don't know anybody that's ever come up to me and like, oh H&B, fuck, I got so many answer. Never, I heard that, I've heard that about creatine. Never heard about H&B.

I've taken H&B. I've never noticed anything over branching amino acids, which I'll take branching amino acids all day long, they're a lot cheaper. So it's not that I'm not recommending it because the science is very strong behind it. It's just, I don't know anybody that's ever really gotten anything out of it,

that they would have gotten, that they didn't get into the branching amino acids. It lowers myostatin. It does, but so does creatine, so do branching amino acids. A lot of things. On a really minimal level. It'll lower it, so it does contribute to the muscle building process.

Here's the one bad thing I see about HMB. HMB in the more common form, I believe, usually comes with some calcium and how they put it together. So when you're taking HMB, you tend to be taking calcium. So I've heard of people who are mega dose HMB. So the regular recommended dose is usually three grams a day, one gram three times a day,

and people will be saying like, oh, I take 10 grams a day of HMB and I get great results. The problem with that is then you're taking a shit ton of calcium and calcium is not a good idea to take a shit ton in supplemental form because you can affect just the way your heart beats, you can affect your arteries, you can cause different problems with that.

So that's the only thing I would say is don't mega dose on HMB, like I've seen some people in the forums recommend, but do you guys have any experience with HMB? No, I don't, no, that's why when you wanted to take it, I was like, well, what are we, what are we, I dropped some methylbeauty, yeah. So you're gonna have to fill me in on a, sure, I mean, but just that, you've never heard anybody, right?

Well, that's just it, just a simple fact that it's, it's been studied and it's been around as long as creatine, I'll tell you right now, it's the, the one number one supplement by a long shot is creatine. When it comes to muscle gaining and performance, like nothing in the, aside from nutrition and workout, right? Yeah, yeah, oh, no, yeah, of course.

When we're talking purely supplements and what's, what's, what. Yeah, aside from nutrition and workout, right? Yeah, yeah, oh no, yeah, of course. When we're talking purely supplements and what's came out science-wise and everything in the supplement world over the last 20 years, right? The creatine by far is surpassed. And nothing even, everything that gets exposed. You'll notice, if you can assimilate creatine, if you're not one of those people

that gets an upset stomach from it or gets really bloated from it, some people just can't assimilate it well. But if you take creatine, it doesn't bother you. You will notice, it will be a very profound dramatic effect. You'll take it and be like, holy shit, I'm stronger and I'm getting really good pumps. It's not subtle. Whereas HMB I think is extremely subtle. But like I said, I think brand-schemaven o'assets are very similar in that respect. The only people I could see really benefiting from H&B are people who are walking kind of teetering that line of, they're dieting, but they might be eating a little too little and they're working out super hard and they're just kind of teetering on that line of

overtraining. So I could see maybe pre-contest like physique competitors and bodybuilders maybe, maybe athletes who are like need to make, they're peaking and they're trying bodybuilders maybe, maybe athletes who are like, need to make, they're peaking and they're trying not to over train, maybe can benefit from it, but other than that, I've never really heard anybody have anything like profound to say about it. So,

this is what we're saying. No, it's backed by studies. It's not a shit supplement. That's all. Okay, final question from Brobanion. If you could have sex on any piece of gym equipment, what would you choose? Whoa, Doug, did you pick this one?

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Yeah, I'm just speculating. Yeah, I think that's what I'm saying. I'll put me on the spot. I say on the, you know what I'm thinking? The, I'm thinking, because I'm thinking of like me, how am I going to get in there to do it? Yeah. I'm thinking the T-Bar row with the chest brace so that they're like laying down, like what

they're, you know what I mean? It kind of makes your bush stick up in there. Yeah, yeah. What the T-Bar row, the T-Bar pad. You know the T-Bar, you can even pull in. Yeah, I could grab the thing. Exactly. And I have to put a team effort there.

I have to pull like 600 pounds. So she's like, because I put a lot of power in it. I mean it's only two reps for this powerful two reps Yeah, you know very powerful maybe the Smith machine I still Just because they're just just to do it on it. Yeah, let's think of all the machines that were I think of like immediately and I know this isn't a machine, but the the stability ball is so good Dude, you're such a weirdo. It has to be a machine. It rolls. You're there. You have to use a machine. I can make it bounce Because there's just there's no machines Yeah, I know I don't know what how about the how about the laying lying leg curl heard of like a hammer thing

Yeah, see lying leg curl lying leg curl Lying leg curl might be a good one because it, because it puts them in the anterior pelvic tilt. L-A-K-A, you know, head down, ass up. That's the way we lacked to. That's how I was picturing the adductors. You know what the girls do it now, where they like balance with their butts up with that. You'd be seated in that position. Now you've seen it now.

Uh huh. I'm thinking it's like, you know, like good mornings or something like that. Oh, dead lifts. Dead lifts? Yeah. Oh, good mornings. That's an exercise though That's not a machine. Yeah, sneak up on them. Hey, grab hey, honey, can you grab that? I'll watch your head. Hey, here grab that barbell. Why are you doing? Why are you tying my hands to the barbell? It's this new exercise. Don't worry about why is there 500 pounds so you can't move boom Here it comes

What just a bench what about the machine massacres? Oh, that's to do basic. It's too basic. Don't be a basic. Well, all right. Let's think of a complicated I mean, I think a good machine that would be a good one to oh the neck machine. I really don't Know jobs It does the motion like is it locks it in it does the motion. It does the motion. You know what I'm saying? I mean I take more reps. That's so ridiculous. I had a little resistance. Going to a party they're like, damn, you're why? Did your wife wrestle or so? She's got a thick neck. She's a rapper. No, what are you talking about? Some of those gyms still have those. They

have those in there. The neck machine. Yeah, yeah. I would love to use a neck machine, but here's why I won't. I will not put my forehead, my forehead, and cheek on a fucking pad that some other sweaty asshole was rubbing his face all over. But I'd love to use, I used to use a neck harness. I used to have the one where you, you know, the chain where it goes around your head and you tie the chain through the way. You would do all this. That would be a cruel joke if you were the guy that, know did it on top of one of those and like you're doing like a head exercise and you smell something. Hey, it's not cool. Somebody cleaned this machine with chlorine smells like sex.

So why does it smell like chlorine? This is weird. I um I caught if you ever caught any of your staff doing it in the gym. Yeah you did. A lot more than once. You caught somebody in this second room. Well one one it won immediately just came to mind but if I thought about it there's in the gym. Yeah, you did a lot more than once. You got somebody in this one room one it won immediately just came to mind but if I thought about it there's probably more. So I had I remember once I had this fitness manager working for me and he just just kind of disappeared for a second and he would do that every once well no big deal because he did his performance you know he performed well so I didn't say much. You know exactly I know the story. So carry your top performance. I know the Because I know the story circulated. You say, carry your top performance on.

I know the story circulated. So someone, my friend, that's person comes over to me, comes up, can I talk to you in the office? I'm like, sure, she comes in and she goes, so and so is up in the storage attic area. And he's fucking his girlfriend. And by the way, at the time, this is just weird. The kid was like, the guy, the fitness manager guy, was like 23 and his girlfriend fucking his girlfriend. And by the way, at the time, this is just weird. The kid was like, the guy, the fitness manager guy

was like 23 and his girlfriend was like 45. So I don't I just wanna throw that out there to get the visual. So he was up there crushing, right? So I'm like, well fuck, what do I do now? Because I like the guy and he's not technically in the gym. You know, so I'm like, and. And.

And this is a zoning kid. I love a kid. And you can't, I'm like, and, and so many kids. I love the kids. And you can't, I can't hate on the kid, because he's performing well. He's only been gone for 30 minutes. He's getting his, you know, he's getting his groove on, like, I can't hate on him, but someone saw him. You know what I'm saying?

So now I gotta say something, right? I remember someone. So now I gotta say something, right? Yeah, an adult. So I'm like, fuck, cause I wish I caught him, cause if I caught him, I would have just left, and Yeah, an adult. So I'm like a fuck. Cause I wish I caught him. Cause if I caught him, I would have just left and then after he came out, I'm like, dude, you gotta be a little smarter

about what you're doing it. So he comes, I call him in my office and he comes in my office and he sits down and I'm like, and I fucking ripped him, blasted him. Not because he had sex, but because he was stupid enough to get caught. Exactly. I'm like, bro, if you're gonna fuck in the gym,

don't get caught, you dumb shit, because now we gotta deal with this bullshit. I'm not mad that you hit it, it's there. I'm actually kinda, that's kinda cool. I'm kinda proud of you, but you got caught, which makes you stupid. Lots of sex stories in the gym. That's why I was a cool manager.

The gym industry, they say, I think, hospitals number one and gym gym industry is number two for infantility. It's supposed to be like one of the worst as far as just it's it's all the it's all the land orphans. You gotta think I want you to think sometimes that my wife might be listening at them when you say that. Well, we don't work in the gym. We don't work in a big gym anymore.

I met no one at the gym. So you know, right? So you caught someone? I've, so I've had a, I now have two that came to mind since you've been talking. So I had one where it was two, one was a trainer. She was a trainer. He was a front desk kid. And they had been doing this for a while already, because they had literally in the back area had set up like this. A little bungalow.

A little bungalow. It was a total. No, this was a San Teresa. Oh, we're outing where it was. Yeah, no, he's not saying names. I know exactly where this is. And they set up these mats and everything like that. And it was, yeah, they were, they were,

they had obviously been doing this more than just one. The production. It was all set up back there. So it was catch him in the act. No, no, I did. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, because another trainer had showed me the setup. So it was canceled. But you didn't catch him in the act. No, no, I did. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, because another trainer had showed me the setup. And I was like, well, some shit's going down.

Well, yeah, they had told me. And I'm like, well, I can't just like, I didn't catch him. No one's caught him. Everyone just assumes, right? Well, so I did. I caught him going back there, you know? Now I caught him before they were. Oh, I thought you caught him while they were there.

Yeah, I give just an effort. That would be weird. If they're having sex, what do you do? Stop halfway through? And when you're done, come see me after that. Well, then I had another time where we all of us, and you know who this person was, you probably don't know this story though.

He was a GM at the time, and I believe she was an operations manager. And we were at this, the boat party where all the top managers got to do this right around the fucking fairy boat and by the giant stadium or whatever the What's it called? Fairy boat. What was it called the the horn blower? Yeah, the horn blower So we you know they food champagne like that. Yeah, so I was on one of those events where out in San Francisco and Actuio eat some like go out on the horn blower We we get dumped off and and then we're everyone decides,

oh, hey, let's go get a drink downtown somewhere afterwards and so like all these managers are all there. And we're all, you know, it's all a work event. These are all GM's, DM's and everything like that. And I go in the bathroom and he's just railing the shit out of this girl inside the bathroom. She's just, it's literally a one stall, two-year-in-all little tiny bathroom.

There's not even a door on the bathroom. Oh my God. There's a door, so you can like hear them into the bar. See, but that's, that's, that's passion. Listen, I mean, she's, there's no clasp. That's like, there's no pizzeria. But see, there's no clasp in that, but that's passion. Like, they got so fucking horny that they're like,

I don't even care. Like, we're just gonna Like a little teenagers in front of everyone Oh, it's great. No, I know part of these jealous part of me's like here. What's wrong with those go for those are probably the most recent I'm sure if I sat here for long enough. I'd probably think you know, we should know it's wish I should a lot And if the listeners need to know that fitness events are the worst The worst they had a ban on it. They had to stop.

Yeah, too many times we had the ambulance going there and so on. You get it, no shit. He's not even making that shit up. No, we had it, that's the reason. Oh, overdrive overdoses. Yeah, yeah. Everybody having sex with a crazy shit.

Fitness events, and I think it's because everybody in fitness is so anal about being fit and don't eat, and then they're also sex, like super, you know, drive hormones, working out and shit, and everybody looks good, and everybody's fit. It's like you put them all in a room together, throw some alcohol in there, and then people sometimes do their own shit, you know, drugs, and what are you gonna get? Oh, God, yeah.

Chaos, complete chaos. You're getting, yeah, you're having a good time. So with that being said, I think mine pumps to throw an event soon with you. At Doug's house. Yeah, yo. Hold. Doug the... At Doug's house. Yeah, yo. Doug's house.

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