Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2068: Natural Ways to Increase Free Testosterone, How Working the Chest Affects Breast Size, Why Knee Pain Often Originates in the Hips & More

Episode Date: May 5, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: One of the BEST ways to measure whether a food is right for you is quite simple. After you eat the meal, HOW do you feel afterward? After an hour or so? PAY ATTENTION! (2:12) Fun Facts with Justin: Dumb shoes. (14:32) It’s the hardest job in the world to be a GOOD parent. (19:23) Justin’s high school drama. (24:26) Here’s how dumb most consumers are. (32:16) A.I. is the next existential crisis for humanity. (37:47) The meaning behind Adam’s bond and commitment to the Warriors. (44:29) Is this truly for myself or everybody else? (53:29) Mind Pump Park City is first come, first served. (58:48) How Sal uses his large family to test out their sponsors. (59:45) When strength is NOT the best pursuit. (1:01:07) Shout out to Adam Lane Smith. (1:03:55) #Quah question #1 - What is the connection between hip and knee pain and how to solve it? (1:05:10) #Quah question #2 - How can I get better depth for squats? (1:11:04) #Quah question #3 - What if I have HIGH Total T but Low free T? Does that mean I have a lot in my body and I’m not utilizing all of it? If so, how do I fix that? (1:14:56) #Quah question #4 - My girlfriend avoids doing chest workouts as she thinks that it will make her boobs get smaller.....is this really true? (1:20:17) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Kreatures of Habit: Meal One for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MP25 at checkout** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** May Promotion: MAPS Prime or MAPS Prime Pro or the Prime Bundle 50% off! **Code MAY50 at checkout** Idiocracy (2006) - IMDb Refined carbs and red meat driving global rise in type 2 diabetes, study says - CBS Sacramento 'Godfather of AI' leaves Google, warns of tech's dangers Die With Zero: Getting All You Can from Your Money and Your Life – Book by Bill Perkins Mind Pump Rentals – Utah Property Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP15 at checkout for 15% discount** MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Mind Pump #1377: From Couch To Deep Squat In 90 Days Adam Schafer’s DEEP Squat Mobility Secrets | Behind The Scenes at Mind Pump Mind Pump gives away free bloodwork to four lucky people a month! TRANSCEND your goals! Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum Mind Pump #1910: How To Uncover Hidden Hormone Imbalances With Dr. Stephen Cabral Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk (@garyvee) Instagram Adam | Relationship Psychology (@attachmentadam) Instagram Chris Williamson (@chriswillx) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram  

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All right, here comes the show. One of the best ways to measure whether or not a food is right for you is actually quite simple. After you eat the meal, how do you feel right afterwards? And then how do you feel about an hour or two later that will actually tell you quite a bit It'll tell you whether or not you get a good glucose response It could tell you whether or not your digestive system reacted well It could tell you whether or not it was producing good satiety for you

So simply pay attention to how you felt right after you wait and about an hour or two later pay attention And then you can make those connections that'll help drive you to make good decisions in the future. The sound's so simple. Why isn't this obvious? You know why? Because we're so disconnected from our bodies, and then to take a step further,

disconnected from how our bodies feel, and then connecting that to what we ate earlier in the day. Almost nobody... Well, I say that consciously does that. Yeah, it's actually been effort to get to that place because it's like you just get into the rhythm of everything and you're trying to get things done and get to work on time and all that.

And you just slam and food down and you think that, oh wow, my body's reacting kind of weird today and you don't associate it a lot with what you're eating. Or even worse, it's not reacting weird. It's doing what it always does at noon or always does. Right. Or early after this is like how I am. That's right.

Yeah. Yeah. I've thought about this a lot actually. I've tried it like go back and think back into my early 20s. And did I just not experience this much digestive issue? Or was I really that just disconnected from myself? I can't, honestly, I just, of course I have moments where I can think, oh man, I remember I had that one thing, it really tore me up,

like an extreme level of something, but I feel like I'm so in tune now, like I can tell after I eat a food an hour to two hours afterwards, like, okay, even if it didn't destroy me, it didn't agree with me. I can see the bloating, I can can just feel it feels like kind of a rock is kind of sitting in my stomach a little bit. Maybe I'm a little gassy, but I'm not like running to the toilet right away. So am I just more in tune today at 40 something years old or, you know, as my gut really changed a lot? So what do you think? I think it's both because I'll ask you this question, Adam. I do think it's both.

As you get older, your body will change. And if you're eating things that cause issues, or digestive issues in particular, over time, just like a joint injury, it can get worse and worse over time. So I think it's both, but I'll ask you this. I think this will help illuminate it for you, maybe. When you started competing,

when you had to pay attention to every single gram and morsel and ounce of water, how revealing was that to you in that period of time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, that's a good point, right? And I've alluded to this on the podcast several times that that time in my life, one of the most valuable things I got from it was becoming so in tune

with my body. And so, yeah, I mean, just within that period of time. Yeah, and that was a long enough period of time for me, because it was a good three years there of that consistency that I think I become, I became very aware of anything that even, you know, threw me off in the slightest bit. But I mean, you're right. We have these natural things that, you know, whatever your belief is, whether we were created this way, we evolved this way, that give us these like clues of, hey, probably not the best decision for you. And yet we tend to ignore them, you know, for as you say, the hedonistic values

that it gives us, right? Because it tastes so good going down, you know. But forget about how I feel the next two hours, the next 24 hours. Well, I mean, what's important to random. No, and what's important to communicate about this is, because people, well, I would know, it would be obvious. We're so disconnected that we,

the only way to really start to identify these things is to consciously try to. You're so disconnected, this used to shock me, well, at first it shocked me, and then later on it became expected, where I would get a client, and I've talked about this example many times, I had a client who had heartburn every day,

or every single day had heartburn mid-morning. Just took tons, no problem. And I remember just, because I'm on the outside. So for me, on the outside, sometimes things are a little clear. I said, I wonder if it's your breakfast. And the guy's like, no, I eat the same thing for breakfast every day for the last seven years. Well, how long have you been having heartburn?

He's like, oh, every day. Yeah, maybe a long time. So I said, why don't we try not eating that and see if it made a difference? And he did and he was like, so, I mean, a long time. So I said, why don't we try and not eating that and see if it made a difference? And it did. And he was like, so, I remember, she'll come to his court. I was like, how could I not know?

And then other examples, this is not food related, but you get a client, they'd be doing an exercise. They're so disconnected from their body. This is by the way, for any trainer who's watching this, knows exactly what I'm talking about. They will ask you this question when you first start training someone who's never exercised.

Where am I supposed to feel this? Where am I supposed to feel this? Wait, where am I supposed to, like a tr's never exercised. Where am I supposed to feel this? Wait, where am I supposed to, like a tricep press down. Where am I supposed to feel this? And you're like, oh, back here. And they'll be like, oh yeah. Like literally so disconnected that they don't even know that they don't, that they are feeling something.

So when it comes to food, if you just pay attention and you go to your, and you know what you could do, you could send a alarm on your phone. That's what I would suggest. So right after you're done eating, be like, okay, how do I feel? Write it down, writing things down is good because it makes things conscious. And then send an alarm two hours later

and then be like, how do I feel like, oh my God, I want to fall asleep. It's also deceptive because to maybe that guy's point, maybe his breakfast was healthy. Like it was like eggs, it was, you know, had some vegetables, it had some vegetables, it had some fruit in there, and it was one of those combos,

or the sort of the combo of all three together that like produced that reaction. And it's like, you know, that's the tough part is to be able to parse out what exact food item is the one that's like not agreeable to your body. Cause that's been a problem. Like I've even found it myself. I've even found myself, I'm like, well, I'm even healthy, but I'm still reacting

and this is still affecting me in a negative way. So it's a good point, Justin, and this is where I think there's kind of levels to this as far as getting more and more in tune. I think the very first one is you become more obvious to like, oh wow, Jack in the box really doesn't agree with me. Right?

So that's the first phase of just like really starting to connect like, oh yeah, I guess every single time I eat that, I'm running to the toilet, like within the next hour or two. But then the next one is the things that you wouldn't expect because it falls in the category of, quote unquote, healthy foods. And so you're like, oh, there's no way my, you know,

banana, walnut, oatmeal that I have in the morning that's so good for me, or my, you know, my eggs and turkey bacon and whatever that I have for breakfast, like, there's no way that's bothering me. That's a healthy breakfast or a healthy meal. And so you're right. I think that right away we tend to just go, oh, this is a healthy meal. Therefore, it can't be the reason why that is. But more often than not, I have found that with clients is when we finally get into the

root cause of whatever issue they have going on Many times it was a healthier food that they've been eating their entire life and this that just doesn't agree with them anymore You you will lie to yourself. I've had obvious examples where people will follow a diet that's popular so like ketogenic diet or paleo or whatever and They'll come to me and they'll say, Hey, Sal, I've been following the keto diet now for four months. How long does it take to get over the keto flu? And I'd be like, keto flu.

Well, yeah, you know, you switch over to ketones. I feel like super lethargic and whatever. Like it's been four months. Like you should have stopped this two weeks into it, you know, feeling that way. But because they thought it was supposedly healthy, they just pushed through, extreme examples are people who exercise too much. They ignore that their bodies over trained in pursuit of this thing that's supposed to be healthy

or good because of this maybe dysfunctional connection. So literally taking account to how you feel after and then a couple hours after and what you'll find and write it down and again set the alarm and it sounds silly. I know right now you're listening to this you're like that stupid I would know. No, trust me do this. You will start to find things that are very strange. You'll actually start to question yourself. This is also quite normal. You'll say am I creating this problem because I'm paying attention. Like I didn't notice this before. You might actually even have

that conversation. But over time you'll be able to individualize your diet and then what happens is you build the skill that doesn't go away. Once you, it's like the parable of the man with the, who was born with one eye, you know, the sun shot and everybody's like, hey, you got this other eye, you can open. He's like, no, I can totally see

then someone goes over and cuts the threads and he opens his eye and it's like, he can never go back again. Once you start to make this connection, this pattern developed this habit, then someone goes over and cuts the threads and he opens his eye and it's like, he can never go back again. Once you start to make this connection, this pattern developed this habit, then it's hard to go back to ignoring your body. Then it becomes very obvious how you feel about certain foods. And then what happens is the beauty is you start to crave the foods that serve you better

and you start to not want the foods that don't serve you so well. So it starts to become easier to eat in a way that's good for your body. So you're building these better associations with food. Yes. By the way, along the lines of what you said, Adam, with some things are healthy and they don't make you feel good or whatever. So we got a message from somebody who used to make their own protein oatmeal. So they would make way and oatmeal, which a lot of people do, they'll mix protein powder

and oatmeal and make it themselves. And this person was sold on by how good they felt afterwards. And this resonated with creatures of habit, with the company we work with. So this is the case. So last week I did a poll. I posted like, you know, a picture of me eating creatures of habit. This has been like like my go to breakfast every single morning. And somebody DM me and they were like, do you count? I mean, because it's a scoop of protein, do you count this as, uh, you know, a perfect meal for you in the morning? I said, no, I don't. I said, because I, I've told you guys on the podcast, I've said this before, like my

goal is to not have to use any sort of supplements in order to get my intake But to that point I tell you what that That oatmeal that protein oatmeal agrees with me in the morning better than almost which is why I remember I gravitated towards that During my competing times. It was just I I felt so good. The way my body digested, especially with the plant protein over the way protein, I just feel so amazing. So even though in a perfect world, I would get that through, and I told that person, I said, man, in a perfect world,

I'd have four ounces of ground turkey mixed with four scrambled eggs and maybe some sort of sweet potato or jam to go with it. That would be like to me me the perfect breakfast that I make without having to use any sort of a protein powder. But man, I tell you what, this is the next best thing. And of course, it's so much easier. So it's like, yes, there's a better meal out there for me, I think, but for how I feel afterwards,

the amount of grams of protein and how convenient it is, it's up there with them. Well, so what I was gonna say is this person used to make their own protein oatmeal, then they went to creatures of habit feel afterwards, the amount of grams of protein and how convenient it is, it's up there with them. Well, so what I was going to say is this person used to make their own protein oatmeal, then they went to Creatures' Habit and then they said the reason why I like Creatures' Habit is how I feel afterwards. So I feel different with Creatures' Habit than I do with oatmeal and protein powder. And I think it's because of the digestive enzymes.

That's my guess. It's gotta be. It has to be because I've done that before too. And I've even done plant protein mixed with oatmeal. And I still get, like if I push it, I'll still get a little bit of blow and I thought maybe, okay, maybe it's the oatmeal, like I can't push oatmeal too much.

So, but the creatures of habit, I get you two packets at the same time, that's 60 grams of protein, it's a lot of protein. And I feel like I ate air in the sense that my gut feels good. I don't get the crashes. That's how I feel. Yeah, and I think it's the day, because they don't just add protein,

they add digestive enzymes in there, along with, I think of indeed probiotics. And I think that's what it is. I think it's the addition of those things that help the digestive process, that make it so that I feel like I, good, versus when I would do it myself and I would if I pushed it too much, I didn't necessarily feel that great.

No, it's by far as far as how I feel afterwards. Again, I'm always advocating for getting your all your protein and take through whole foods. It's the next best thing for me. I mean, it's just it really, and it's just so convenient. It's the next best thing for me. I mean, it's just, it really, and it's just so convenient. It's easy. I mean, we got him here. I carry a bunch of my bag always. And so it's a quick, easy, easy digesting,

fill amazing afterwards type of meal for me. I have a funny sort of fun fact for Adam, actually. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, you guys have seen Idiocracy, right? Yes. You've seen it. Yes, yes, yes.

Okay, great, fantastic movie. If you haven't seen it, you have to see it. It's post-apocalyptic, but it's such a cult classic. Yeah, basically all the stupid people were the only ones left breeding, and so that's what you end up with, right? So for this movie, yeah. So for this movie, they were trying to figure out

like a kind of a futuristic way to dress them that was dumb, but also it kind of worked, and so they were looking at shoes. And they're like, let's go look through and see what's out there, and they found the startup company that had these really dumb looking shoes. And it turns out that they actually used this shoe and bought it and then used it in the movie. And you can see them wearing it.

And you guys have any clue like, because this was like before and this, what year? They're concern hold on. Give me the year. Yeah. So, okay, this was what, 1990. It's mid 90s. It's got to be.

It's got to be. It's got to be 90, right? When did the theocracy come out? Maybe some people would get it. You have to look that up. Yeah. But so it's just a startup company and their concern was like, well, what if this brand actually takes off and becomes a thing?

What is Andrew's find? Don't tell me, don't tell me. Hold on. The movie came out 2006? Are you serious? Oh, I thought it was in 90s. Okay, wait a minute. I'll wait a minute.

Anyway, two that's your company would it be? And do they exist now? They exist now. Oh wow. I saw the answer here. Oh, bro. Dude, they're wearing like orange crocs. And they're like, this is stupidest looking.

We're never gonna take off. And then it's like in the movie and it's even more popular now than ever. I wish I remember who said this. I stole it from somebody, but I made me laugh so loud. I grabbed my phone and I said, I wrote this down because I had to share this with the guys.

So this guy was like kind of shitting on crypto. And he's just like, like listen crypto is like crocs He goes y'all think they look good. They don't I said raise your hand if you own a pair of crocs. Be honest. Oh, you got a pair? I did. Well, I- You raised your hand too. No, I didn't buy a pair. I just got- I just said I wanted to.

I did buy a pair. I just actually got some vans that are like rubber like, like, crocs that you can wear them in the water. So that's why I got them. Listen, I have a pair. There's four. I told you how I was going to use them. That's how I use them.

Yeah, for taking out the trash. Yeah, like going in and out of the house. Yeah. Because that don't work. You're going to get a catch me rocking him outside. No. Like, in public with like a fit. But even though that's the trash. Yeah, like going in and out of the house. Yeah, cuz I don't wear shoes in that. He would get a catch me rocking him outside. No, like in public with like a fit. But even though that's the move. Here's a deal.

They are. Hail the comfort. They are heard. I heard, yeah. I told you what sold me on it was my nephew when we went up to Truckee, this was like earlier this past year. And he wears the same size shoe as I do. And they were out and I had to go take out the trash.

At the truck, we just slipped them on. And so I just slipped them on and he had the ones that had this kind of like fur, it's like an inline. I had the fur ones. Yeah, and I slid in them like, oh, these are nice, right? So yeah, I mean, I'm all, but I mean, they become so popular to wear.

Like I told you guys that fitness 19 where I've been going in Morgan Hill. Are people wearing a workout? Oh, like half the gym. What? Yes. So popular to wear like it in the like told you guys that fitness 19 where I've been going in Morgan Hill a people Want to work out? Oh like half the gym? Yes Remember I like this gym is like literally high school like I've never been to a Rocks and Where's feeders? Oh, what's happening? Yes? That's the style for high school

We are turned in did you is they they all rock their crocs to the gym. The beat is cool. That's different. They all rock crocs to the gym, dude. So it's, that is hella weird. Yeah, it's a thing. 100% it's a thing. That is true.

I mean, they wear them everywhere. It doesn't matter. That's probably why they wear them the gym, too. It's just like, that's what they wear everywhere. I feel like if something sticks around a lot of them. I don't see anybody squatting in them. But, God, they're doing everything else. Do it yourself.

Well, I mean, there's kids doing them in those big, whole fat air maxes, which is not much different. The worst shoe to squat in air maxes. You are going to hurt yourself. Yeah, for sure. No lateral. You know, it's crazy as even as a young trainer, I was so unaware of the foot stuff.

Like that didn't come for me to a way later. So, you know what I thought? Because we were never taught that. You were so taught knee hip, upper body. I came here except I was at the Pylos. So I was accidentally smart with shoes, and I'll tell you accidentally, because I thought for something else.

So I used to tell my clients do not work out in air shoes, Nike air shoes, but it wasn't because I thought the instability, I thought that me. You can blow them. Yeah, you can be struggling at the blow. But they'd explode. You know what you have to lift the blow. I know.

You have to lift the blow. This is like a thousand pounds. Yeah, I mean, I watch these kids and they're like dead lifting and squatting and I just, I mean, the ankles are just like cave, dude. So that I'm like, man, I had to bend that kid. I had to bend lifting like that. I gotta tell you guys, I was online and there was this debate, I remember where I was Facebook

and there was this debate over parenting and I remember thinking this way and but now I think differently because I understand differently. So I remember when I would hear people when I was a kid say being a parent is the hardest job in the world. So hardest job in the world.

So hardest and I remember as a kid being like, really, like, is it as hard as being an oil rig worker or is it really as hard as inventing, like, you know, innovative stuff that saves humanity? Like, really, I think you might be overplaying this a little bit. But now as a parent, I realize why people say that. It's not the hardest job in the world to be a parent. It's the hardest job in the world to be a parent. It's the hardest job in the world to be a good parent. Because in order to be a really good parent,

you have to just check out. You have to grow as a person and you have to keep growing as a person. You have to constantly challenge yourself to be a better person and a better person. As your kids grow up, you gotta keep becoming a better person. You have to keep visiting your demons. You have to keep challenging yourself.

You have to keep growing as a human being, and that's the hardest thing in the world because nobody wants to do that. Nobody wants to face their own shit. But if you care enough about your kids, that's what you end up doing. And now I understand why they say that. But being a parent, yeah, that's easy.

Being a good parent, that's hard as hell. Yeah, I think to add to that, or steel man, that I think that it also takes an unbelievable level of self-awareness, and that's, takes an unbelievable level of self-awareness. And that's, it takes a lot of self-reflection, not a lot of people like to do that. So to your point about like you're consistently having to grow and like the level of patience, you know, because you're communicating with a child, you know, so it's like not only are you being faced with your own issues, insecurities and the stuff that you're harboring

or that you've carried on from your, you know, being a child. So not only are you carrying that and you're now seeing a mirror and a reflection of yourself, but that mirror and a reflection is manifested in a two-year-old. And so you have to not only be aware enough to catch your own bullshit there,

but then you also have to be patient enough and disciplined enough to work through it simultaneously communicating with a two-year-old. So, I mean, when you think of it like that, that really makes you go, okay, that is probably really difficult for you. Well, I mean, if you want, I mean, you know, when you realize that the unconscious patterns

that you have, and they're unconscious, meaning you don't know what you have them, okay? So, when I say this and people go, yeah, well, I know, no, it's unconscious meaning you don't know what you have them, okay? So when I say this and people go, yeah, well, I know what, no, it's unconscious. You don't know. Those unconscious patterns and thought processes you have, you pass on to your kids, through your actions, without realizing it. So if you really wanna be like the best parent ever,

you have to constantly try to face, turn your face towards the darkness. You have to constantly look where you don't wanna look and say to yourself, I don't know, so I You have to constantly look where you don't wanna look and say to yourself, I don't know. So I gotta keep looking. I don't know. That is hard.

It sucks. It's really, really challenging. And that's what makes it so damn hard. And it's never ending. So, and that's why I said being a good parent. Because if you really care about your kids, you're always asking yourself this all day. It reminds me of when I was a trainer,

except times a million. Like when I was a trainer, what, a million. Like when I was a trainer, what, this is what we all had in common. What made us good trainers, wasn't that we were the smartest, or were the most educated, or it was because we cared so much about our clients, we, even though we were all top sales people,

all the three of us in this room broke records, but we all asked ourselves the same question constantly. Am I really doing a good job? Why aren't these people really maintaining this? Are they really bought in? Or is this just all worth? And that means you have to go back, even though you're number one in the company,

selling more training to anybody, you've got all these clients, you've got to keep looking back, I'm not doing something right. You've got to keep questioning yourself and then reinventing yourself and learning. That's not hard, that's ego crushing. Now, times a million when you're raising a kid

because it's not just about being a trainer, it's about like everything I do. I mean, how I think about things, how I discipline, how I love, how I love. One little volume notch like crank up, like it's that equal reaction that you see like visibly like happen like real time and it's like, oh my god, I have to like adjust and monitor my own tone, you know, and just the way that I'm like speaking all the time. Did you have like a thing this weekend or something tone, you know, and just the way that I'm like speaking. All the time, totally. Did you have like a thing this weekend or something?

No, it's constant because I have, I have this wonderful trifecta at home, right? Have, I mean, look, all kids are challenging, but what do they say, right? The hardest ages are infant, toddler, teenagers, everybody says that, I got all three at home. So I'm like, you know, under fire constantly. And so it's a challenge all the time, right?

And so I'm always asking myself like, okay, how can I be better, how can I be less reactive? And I think I'm doing a good job, but I wanna keep making sure that I'm not passing on my own shit, that I'm reacting and acting in ways that are going to raise good, self-sufficient, loving, secure human beings. And I'm going to mess up, and I always mess up everybody does. But it's like this process.

And as I do this process, I look at it sometimes I'm like, this sucks, it was way easier to just not do this shit. You know, hard as hell. Sometimes you can get bad eggs. Oh, yeah. that's true. Yeah, I have to bring up a story just because it was like both kind of sad and hilarious at the same time.

Okay. So like there's, there was a bit of rumors, I guess that was being spread at Ethan's school about me. And that was about you. Yeah, not about Ethan. You got me. You, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. About you. Yeah. Not about Ethan. You got me. You got some high school drama going on in the life of drama,

dude, I thought it was out. You know, like, it's like decades. It's pulling me back. Oh, you're gonna find some kids out there. Yeah, I'm gonna go like, give this kiss, whirly. What? Seriously, dude.

How have you got yourself a high school drama right now, dude? What's the rumor? Okay, so this guy, so you know how like every group of friends, I have like kind of the one that's on the outside kind of the friends trying to make his way in and like, you know, trying to find an angle somehow. And so he's been kind of, I guess, ghosted a bit and like they've all kind of moved on because, you know, the kid has a bit of issues and I could have called this from day one like you know when you're a parent and you just

watch kids interact and like they're over and you're like okay like the one bad apple you see here's here's my issue okay I knew this ahead of time in kindergarten is all started all the way back there oh my god this kid I found out watched Walking Dead. His dad let him watch Walking Dead. And you're trying to tell me, I didn't have any kind of like psychological trauma, you know, for this kid and like what he comes up and conjures in terms of like, if somebody pisses him off, he's like,

oh, slit your throat. Oh my god. Like crazy stuff, right? I can't wait to hear what he said about that. Dude, okay, so just as a big Bud Light drinker. Yeah. He's a Bud Light drinker. Yeah. She's a Bud Light drinker. She's a Bud Light drinker.

She's all these Photoshop pictures and Jesse Jr. Bud Light all over the campus. Yeah, I'm so good at it. I like the problem too. You should've told me this right now. You know what I'm saying, dude. It's all the time. It's better.

Okay, so, okay, so he, I guess, I mean, he's feeling salty. I think and left out and Ethan had a party and had it at our house with his friends for his birthday. And he didn't know one of one of Ethan's friends like this kid, I'm not even gonna say his name because I don't want to. We hope not. He's a minor kid. I could tell Justin's trying hard not to be good.

I want to punk him, dude. I want to punk him, but I'll say. Chris's address. Yeah, exactly. Maybe after school. Yeah, so he actually was in a class with like one of Ethan's other friends. He didn't know that friend was Ethan's friend, if that makes sense. And so I was talking with him, he's just like, you know, but yeah, so he was like,

oh, you know, Ethan and his dad's like, too rich dude and like, you know, you know, I know how he made his money though. Oh, you know, oh, we've coven started, dude, he started selling meth. Ah! What? What?

What? I'm like, I'm a meth dealer. Wow. Like, you can even get like a classier drug. Like, you know, like, what? Meth, like, you think I'm living a shack and I'm like cooking, well, hold on.

And like, everybody's, I'm selling to people that have no teeth. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah. Hold on, let's break this down. Adam has the most experience in this. Why? The drug, the drug dealer, don't break this onto me, bro.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I did you get it. If you didn't know Justin, but you knew he was a drug dealer. What drug would be his drug that he would deal? Would it be math? Face off his old teeth maybe. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah. Not no more though, that was Perle's now. He's not gonna say it again. He's also, he's kind of too jacked to be a math dealer. Yeah, yeah, no, meth heads are skinny, you know, in high strut. You're not gonna say it again. He's also, he's kind of too jacked to be a meth dealer. Yeah, yeah, meth heads are skinned,

you know, in high stride. You're not going to be a meth dealer. Dude, exactly, they're like, like crack it. So, I mean, did he have anything to follow up with it, like how they just dropped that, like that? He just dropped it like that, and then was like, and so this kid had stayed in our house, right? For, he didn't know that.

And so he's just like, he's like, what? He's like, no, I stayed there, house. There's nothing like that. There's no way. And he's like defending me and stuff. And he's like, well, that's where it hurt. Maybe it's his secret basement. That's why you do have a secret basement door,

which that's kind of, you know what I'm saying? If you don't know. That's a sex room. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, if you don't like it, don't talk about it. Yeah. You got one of those hideaway walls. You know what I'm saying?

You push the wall and it opens up and now you have this stairwell. So yeah, the rubber pony's down there. Yeah, it's the weird stuff. Yeah, he didn't know about that. Bro, what a out of, what a out of left field, like weird rumor. Yeah, like, dealer, imagine if you're a kid, like, they're eight or he's 13.

And you're talking shit about like somebody's like dad and like their family, like their whole family would come beat the shit out of you. Like that's just how it was we grew. What are you trying to say bro? I'm just saying, that's... That's... Watch your keys, a cues kid.

You know you do go beat up his dad. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. Well I was gonna tell him if I ran him like, dude, you know your dad's my best customer. Yeah, I'm like, my best customer. Yeah. Do you know why your mom left your dad? Yeah. Exactly. So joy and man. It's such a random. That's why I can do is laugh. I was like, this is the most hilarious thing I've ever heard. You know, and it's total just like some weird at the end. You gotta play it. You just left out and you know, you can you can cycle analyze this whole thing, but like,

I haven't had anything like that with my kids, but my kids did have people, like their friends pull up my pictures on Google and like my shirt is off and stuff and then show my kids or whatever. My daughter got super embarrassed. Mm. Put your shirt on.

Yeah, I'm like, why don't you, you know, I tell my daughter to do, is your dad chipping me? No, you know what I told my daughter? I said, when they do that, I want you to Google a picture of their dad and then show them that. Because that'll be a more embarrassing,

well, at least my dad doesn't look like this. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you bet. We're such a good pair. I'm actually surprised that the both of you have not had more stories like this because you guys have, both have kids in this,

you know, social media era and high school. Really? That's such a teenager thing. I just realized this is a teen school high school. No, college. College, I don't give a fuck about that. No, no, not that I care. I'm saying if you look at it.

This is a high school thing. Yeah, I know that. No, I know that. What I'm saying is, demographically, if you look at the. This is a high school thing. Yeah, I know that. No, I know that. What I'm saying is, demographically, if you look at the age of our audience, I don't think I think a small percentage is under the college age. I don't think we have a ton of like middle school. Oh, yeah, but that doesn't matter to me.

I'm talking about it. You think they just find out in a spread? Yeah, like, even more reason why they tease you. They're not into it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know. I mean, they get to college. They're more likely to find someone who actually listens to show them, like, oh my God, Sal, and they're all cool about it.

I feel like in high school, in middle school, yeah, it would be like a way to tease about your dad. Totally. Make fun of them, stuff like that, you know? Yeah. I don't know. I just, I think that's, you know, the worst is, I remember there was a kid in school. Your dad's an influencer. Yeah.

The worst, I had a kid, you guys have to felt more gross. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna be a mess. I'm gonna be a mess, I'm gonna be a mess. Yeah. I'm Walter White, bitch. I'm gonna be a Matthew. I'm Walter White, man. Shit. You dad's so supplemented. Okay, so did you guys have a kid like this in school

where there was always that one kid whose mom was hot? Yeah, yeah. That, I felt bad for that kid. Because his mom would come pick him up. That's how I made, that's what I mean. That's like a, that's like a positive thing, right? You know, you get a good look. Not if that's your mom.

No, that's what I'm saying, but it's a positive thing. That's what I'm saying, that why you guys aren't made fun of like that is like a, that's like a positive thing, right? You know, you get a good look. Not if that's your mom. No, that's what I'm saying, but it's a positive thing. That's why I'm saying that why you guys aren't made fun of like that is it's, it's obviously a positive thing. You had all this success through social media, whatever you want to call it, right? But kids are just mean like that. And I remember my buddy who had that mom, dude, then everybody, I mean,

Oh, yeah. And then they'd make all inappropriate things. Oh, yeah, football game, so home game, everybody would be talking about her and stuff like that looking at her and Everybody It's terrible. Yeah, anyway, so I want to talk about a new study that came out love that we're gonna change the subject Yeah, did you not want you to address and can you address the one what that's one of my thoughts. Okay, okay, thank you. Here's how stupid, this is how I hate,

I don't wanna say it this way. Here's how, fine, I'll say it this way. Here's how dumb most consumers are, okay? So if you're watching listening to this, unfortunately you fall into this category. And here's why, because they keep relying on your stupidity and I'm hopefully by listening to Mind Pump, we're helping you not be so dumb so they can stop doing this.

Because I keep seeing this and it keeps annoying me. And then I'm like, you know why they do this? Because people fall for it. Here's the title of the article. The title says, Refined Carbs and Red Meat are driving the global rise in type two diabetes study says now when you read the study Here's the bot. Here's the end of the study our Modeling this is by the by the way. This is the actual author's quotation. This is quote from the author's study

Our modeling approach does not prove causation and our findings should be considered an estimate of risk in other words Our study isn't showing means nothing doesn means nothing. It means absolutely nothing. So annoying. Now, here's the, here's, why would they do this? Well, first off, people share stupid shit like this. Here's the part that I see if we look a little deeper. It's not that click baity for people to say, refine carbs, refine carbs, sugar.

It is click baity to keep saying that red meat is causing some of these issues. Now, I before somebody pulls up studies where they do show causation, here's what the studies show, processed meats, processed carbohydrates. Those are the things that they're connecting to type two diabetes. Now, is it because of the meat, is it because of the sugar? Kind of, but here's where most of the problem is. It's because heavily processed foods make us overeat. And I can't say this enough.

Things in ingredients that are used in heavily processed foods, the things that make them so irresistible, that make them hyper palatable, that make you overeat them. All those things, which include salt, preservatives, artificial flavorings, sugars, fats, and refined carbohydrates and processed type meats. All those things are often put into

heavily processed foods to make you overeat, and most not all, but most of the health risks that come from eating those foods is because they make you overeat. And there's other studies, very good ones, that show people eating processed foods, but because they limit their calories, they actually get improvements in health markers

and blood markers. Now, I'm not saying eat heavily processed foods, but just eat enough, you know, the right calories, you know, if it fits your macros type of deal, because they will make you overeat, you will white knuckle it eventually, you'll go over plus you'll feel like shit. So it's more complicated.

But the vast majority of the problems that we're seeing with modern societies is the result of overeating, which is the result of these engineered foods that make you overeat. So anytime you see these studies that connect this that and the other, always ask yourself,

is it because heavily processed foods contain a lot of that? And the answer is almost always yes. Yeah, I wonder because like even I was playing poker this weekend and the sky brought up that he was changing his diet and trying to be more healthy. And so he was reducing his red meat intake and like changing it over to fish and chicken. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. I was like, where'd you read about Red Meat and it's harmful effects? And so he didn't really have a good answer. Like there was no definitive study

or something like it was just in the pop culture still. And I think that it's one of those things that does just a good job of like, just you they'll throw it in this, they'll throw it in that. And just combine it with all these other studies just so that way it looks bad. Yes, absolutely. It is, if you simply did this, two things right here, if you simply avoided process foods and you tried to eat your body weight in grams of protein, I'll say this for the vast

majority of people. In fact, I'll challenge somebody watching this right now. Most people won't be able to do this. It's hard to get fat doing that. It is. It's just hard to get fat doing what I said. Not eating heavily processed foods and eating, by the way, that includes protein powders, bars,

and stuff like that, okay? So all whole natural foods and hitting your body weight in protein, it's hard to get fat. Now, could you get fat doing that? Yes, but for the vast majority of people, if you do that every single day, what you're gonna find is I can't eat any more food. Oh, I just feel too stuffed.

Oh, this is just, now you're not gonna be shredded doing that, but it's actually hard to get fat doing so. So, and I make that challenge because I want to see people actually give it a shot. And I don't mean just one day or two days, like do it every single day, and then report back and what most people are gonna find is, man, that sucks. I can't overeat doing that.

It's really really challenging, you know, thing to do. I mean, wasn't that why the Atkins diet took off and did so well originally? I mean, that was my experience when we experimented with the ketogenic diet, like I was blown away by actually how difficult it was to eat that much. I mean, you just eat enough of the high protein

and fat like that, and you just are so satiated. It's the process carbohydrates that make me want to keep eating and eating and eating, and it's difficult to actually gain weight in that case. So if you have a high metabolism, like I did at that time, to keep up with the amount of calories that I needed just to sustain my mass was almost impossible. You know what that actually reminds me of another topic. So I read this article and they're

connected. So I'll explain why it might sound like it's not, but they are. I read this article recently that one of the founders of AI technology at Google, he just left, he just quit. You know, I quit because of the dangers of his invention. Oh, God. So he literally left because he said, I don't, he created it and then he left it for all of us to do it. He's like, I don't like cool. He goes, I don't like this potential. I can't like, basically, my conscious won't let me stick around and be a part of it. So I got a balance. He said that we're super close to the point where, in fact, Gary Vee just talked about this.

We're very close to the point where you're not gonna know whether or not something's real, video, audio, image, or the like. So anything you see, they're like, we're so close to being the point where you're not gonna know if it's real or not. Gary Vee made the point, and this I would love your opinion on this atom, where blockchain technology, we were connecting it to money, this and that, but we also said, brilliant technology, we just don't know where it's going to be most useful. Gary V thinks this is where it's going to be most useful.

Oh, to verify something is real or not. That's it. That if it doesn't have blockchain on it, that you're going to be like it's fake. Oh, okay. I think that's a brilliant theory. I mean, this is, I like the theory that I heard about the NFTs in slash blockchain technology coupled with luxury watches, you know, that I'm into that stuff. And I'm like, oh, what an incredible way to verify that. There's a massive market on reselling,

you know, used luxury watches. But one of the biggest fears, and what you pay thousands of dollars more just to have the paperwork, like so like a watch, if you do not have the original box and original paperwork. And they can't verify it. Yeah, I mean, they still can. There's ways for a place to still verify it. But without that authentication like that with it, you can't fetch nowhere near as much money. Whereas if you actually had blockchain attached to it

with an NFT, yeah, it's one off like that, that would be extremely powerful for that market. So I definitely see places where... So Gary V's, yeah, that's how we're gonna have to, that's the only way we're gonna know. If a video... That makes a lot of sense for... For our users. Yeah, content creators, producers, artists, to be able to at least verify. I literally created this. It wasn't like some random AI.

You know, it's funny you bring this up that, you know, we're already starting to see this distrust in media to like, so. So bad. So Vicki was here today, right? And so. Lewis and Sarah Mint has to. Vicki's like, hey, were you at the game?

And I was like, yeah, she's like, oh, she's like, Andy, Andy totally said that somebody, Photoshopped you and it was AI that was, that was put you at the game. I'm like, what? She's like, yeah, he swore that there's no way out and would be there and not be wearing a jersey. Cause the camera, one of the timeouts,

like did like a zoom in, caught me, and Katrina wasn't with me, and she was going to get drinks, right? So he's like, Katrina wasn't with them, and there was no jersey on him. So like that, that wasn't him. That's where we've gotten to the point right now where it's like, you see something even on television, you might be like, no, that can't be real. Somebody doctored that to make him look like he's there. Wow. I want to get back to that. I have to have a question with you,

but I wanted to kind of close the loop with what I was talking about. So with AI coming into the forefront and we're entering into this kind of new era, I was thinking about this after I read the article about the founder or one of the developers of AI, and I thought, man, what an existential decision we're gonna to have to make right something where we're going to have to choose to go in a direction and the direction we choose is going to affect everything in a big way

and well first off that choice is going to be do I choose human or do I choose machine would do I choose human for content products products, food, services, or do I go with machine? Now, the reason why you would choose machine is it's going to be faster, better, more convenient, cheaper. The reason why you would choose human is to keep humans valuable, relevant to provide meaning. It's kind of similar to when you choose like, you know, local farmers markets versus whatever people will do that, right?

It's like, okay, you're gonna have to make this choice. And I thought to myself, like, have we ever had to do this in the past? We've already done this, and we've already been paying the price for it. We made the decision a long time ago, which is an existential one, to eat fake food versus real food.

What are the consequences of that? Obesity. We've already done that. We've now been choosing real connection in person with fake connection, internet. We're choosing internet, because it's faster, cheaper, all that stuff. What are the consequences of it? Loneliness is at highest levels.

I hope people are smart enough moving forward where they say to themselves, yeah, I know that's gonna be better. I know it's gonna be more entertaining. I know it's gonna be tastier, it's gonna be faster, it's gonna be cheaper. But if we as humans don't choose human, we're screwed. We're gonna kill ourselves. We're gonna really, really be in a bad place.

And I think this is gonna be the biggest, like, fork in humanity that we've encountered in since, I don't know, you mentioned a fire. Crazy, you know, I trip on sometimes is like, was Ted Consistki really wrong? Oh, oh God. With what he thought. Yeah, with what he thought, I'm gonna see the methods. I'm due to reading his manifesto again.

But the first time I read it, I was like, holy shit, this is like, he definitely was seen way into the future with all this stuff, but I mean, it's an existential crisis. It is something that like, we need to stop and really assess, like, what are we doing? Like, where is this going? Like, is this really where we want to take humanity?

It's a humanity crisis. Yeah, because, I mean, again, we've made this decision so many times, like, easier versus harder. Do I walk or do I drive? Do I take the stairs or do I whatever? Do I order food to my door or do I drive there and go get it? And easier, almost always wins, but the consequence of such tends to be oftentimes quite negative. I get where there's value and easier.

Sometimes that's much more valuable, but we choose it when we don't necessarily need to. And what's happened is we're lonely or sicker, fatter, more depressed, more anxious, less connected, than ever before. So, you know, pretty soon, when I say pretty soon, I mean like, in the next five to 10 years. Yeah, within the decade.

We're gonna have to make this decision across the board. Do I choose this, or do I choose human? And I think we're gonna have to choose human. Otherwise, we're gonna go down to path, where human? And I think we're going to have to choose human. Otherwise, we're going to go down to path where I don't know if we're going to be able to come out of. All right. So back to what you were saying, Adam, you were at the game. You were on the floor, right? What's it called? That's a yeah floor seats floor seats. Okay. And you do it. This is playoffs. Yeah. How many of these games you want to? I'm going to go I'm going to go all the way through. So as long as they're in, I'm going to

continue to go. Yeah, it's been, it's been. Is it like real expensive? Yeah, this season I probably could have got a car. Like a shitty car? No, like a nice car. What? That's how much they cost? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wow. Yeah. I have to say, I have to, I want to ask you about that. I actually, you know. You have an interesting relationship with money. You went from like, you didn't have money growing up, then you made money and you spent it like crazy, then you built businesses, then you did this one,

you had a kid, then you became like super conscious and tight with money. Now you're spending on stuff like this. Like what's the average? You're stacking for a long time. Yeah, what's the evolution? Yeah, I would say that I've been really conservative with my money for the last at least five to eight years,

I would say, definitely when Max came along, Katrina would tell you that I became a miser when he came along. I told you just recently on the podcast that I had been reading that book, Die Was Zero. And there was just, there's certain parts of it that resonated with me that I just started to evaluate like some of my purchases and things a little bit different.

Like I, like you said, I think I was on one extreme and then I swung the other extreme and then I kind of went back and then now I'm kind of trying to find somewhere in the middle ground and really what it came down is this, like there's a couple of things that in the last two years that I told myself I was going to buy myself.

One of those was a really cool exotic car or something like a total waste of money for somebody else, but something that I wanted for a long time. The other was a specific watch that I told myself I would do when I reached this milestone. Both those things, I haven't personally, I've been very hesitant to go do it. Even though obviously I have the money

to go do something like that, I've been like, ah, do I really need it? Do I really want it right now? Like, and both those things, they're always there for me to go get if I really want it. There's comes a time in my life for, like literally if like you guys all did it, I'd be like, okay, let's all go do it together

and that experience I think you would push me over the edge to probably get it. Right now I've been like, eh, whatever about all go do it together and that experience I think you would push me over the edge to probably get it. Right now, I've been like, eh, whatever about it. But then you have something like this, where my favorite team is in the playoffs. They're towards the tail end of this dynasty of core players that have been together. Who knows if this is the last season,

if it's not the last one, it's one of the last in the next few years where this could be a possibility. And anybody that's a sports fan knows that, you know, you could be a fan of a team and go in a two, three, four decade drought of even making the playoffs, much less make a championship run. And I thought to myself like, man, yeah, I could keep stacking those chips and build a bank account more

and all the stuff that I'm investing in, chips and build a bank account more and all the stuff that I'm investing in and stuff like that and make even more money. But then what happens in like five to 10 years when that's, you know, I'm 4x more rich and I look back and I go, shit, I missed the time when they were making a championship run to go and I didn't do it when I absolutely can afford to do it and it doesn't set me back to go do something like that. And Katrina was really surprised because I told her I'm like, we're gonna go.

And she's like, really? She's like, you wanna spend that? Like everything. And I'm like, you know what? How matter are we gonna be in three years from now when we're worth however much more? And their warriors aren't there. And they don't go there for,

you don't get to the playoffs for three more decades and we miss that experience. And those other things, like I was saying earlier, the car, the watches, the shoes, even stuff like that, that's always there. There's always, always those things and I have access to that whenever I want where something like this and experience that I have a small window potentially to do and it's, it's definitely like bucket list type stuff for me. It's unbelievable, it's very, very memorable for me. And so, yeah, it's something recently that I've justified

to spend. So this is great because there's, I hope there's a kid listening right now who identifies with you, who is gonna learn from some of this. So I wanna go a little deeper because, by the way, the data on this is very clear. Money spent on things brings people almost no real value.

Money spent on experiences is the best way to spend money, money and time, excuse me, time and experiences. Study, this study shows this. If you spend money on giving yourself more time, you get lots of value from it, or if you spend money on experiences, but this goes you get lots of value from it, or if you spend money on experiences. But this goes deep with you because it's not just the basketball. Like, if I went to a playoff game with the Warriors,

it would be a great fun experience. But it doesn't mean to me what it means to you at all. Yeah, yeah. And then the nice things, the watch and the car, there's some meaning there too for you, but the meaning's different. So what was the meaning of the car and the watch versus the meaning of the game, and why is the game so much more valuable?

Forget the fact that it may not happen, you know, or whatever. Like, when I hear you talk about basketball, it definitely sounds very different and it comes from a different place than when you talk about the fact that you want nice things. That comes from it, you know, so what is that? So the basketball is, there's multiple things there, right? Obviously I played when I was younger. I also didn't continue to play, and maybe I could have I chose to work instead

and make money, and so there's a part of basketball where there's like this little bit of an empty hole there of like I never kept playing to see, and not to say that I would have ever been anything great It's just that you know in high school I chose to even stop playing to to work more so I have that then you have My wife who was a division one collegiate level basketball player like she's really she was really good She loves basketball as much as you do as much right so you know the fact that that's something that we shared, we met on the basketball court, like that's kind of the very first time we ever crossed paths. So we have this bond around that.

So not only is it really close to home for me, but it's also a shared experience that I can have with her that will forever remember. So that, to me, Trump's the other two things. The watch would be a close second only because that has history in a story. I've told you, I've told the story before about the whole Rolex thing with the company and how they took it away the year that I was making a run for first place. And that was like just like ripped my heart out as a young 20 year old. And so that's forever been a thing for me. And then every watch that I've ever purchased for myself represents a very important milestone in my life, financial.

And I reached out a couple of years back for the last piece. I had this laid out, like, okay, this is my last time piece. That's the big one. It's the final one when I reached this X amount goal that I had. That was two years ago when I hit that. And I still didn't buy it just because the market's crazy right now. And I'd be paying $15,000, $20,000 over market value for this piece that I want. And I know that it'll still be there. I will eventually get it, but it's less important at this time. And so that's why, you know, spending that kind of money that somebody else might think is like crazy and ridiculous

spending that kind of money that somebody else might think is like crazy and ridiculous is something that I've justified doing and I worth every penny for me. Like absolutely the experience to do that and that it's always an I feel like the watch would be a better gift for someone to get you. I feel like that would be a very cool gift. I would love one of you guys to get well I'm just saying. I would love well of you guys to get one. Well, I'm just saying. I would love one. Well, no, you know why? Because, definitely, because it's cool, it's got some meaning for you.

Yeah, yeah. But it pales, will you just explain your experience with your wife? It doesn't compare. Like you and your wife do in this thing. You'll remember this. Yeah, no, that's why you're, you know. That's something that makes perfect sense.

I mean, I think what's neat about it though, though, is like that walk, that's a big thing for me. It means a lot. Yet, I have the ability to delay gratification there and go like, oh, I'll wait till the market shifts. I can get it later. I don't need to have it right this moment. I know it's something I will get as it like a milestone thing.

So, but this, what's happening right now with the basketball season, like, I mean, that could go away next year. And then they cannot return to playoffs for 20 years. And then I'm gonna be like, oh, great. You know, I missed that opportunity when both Katrina and I had, we had a kid old enough that we can drop him off at Nana's house. And she has no problem watching him for the night.

Her and I could head out the same day. Well, it sounds like what a great date for the two of you. Oh, it's all love it. It's such, every, although Katrina will tell you, like, the night's always better when we win. It's a She'll say the drive home. Yeah, yeah, she gets all Oh, yeah, lawyers, lawyers win and she's got she gets a big old grin on her face. She goes,

Oh, I can't wait for tonight tonight. So good. I'm like, it's not that much worse when we lose, but although I'm I'm definitely I'm not as it's not that much worse when we lose, but although I'm definitely, I'm not as happy as I am when we win for sure. I find, you know, it's not funny that your relationship to money is like, boy, it's like food relationship or relationship to like, other things, it's like, there's a healthy relationship and then there's an unhealthy

relationship and as you get older, you kind of start to develop this like more, I don't know, balance. So you start to see like, what this actually is. Science, yeah. Yeah, this is not like, I'm not just getting this because I'm gonna look cool or I'm getting this because I think I'm supposed to, this actually means something to me.

And then you, it's like you create balance that way, kind of natural. So I try and like when I make these decisions on what I'm gonna buy or not, I really challenge myself on, is this truly for myself or is it for everybody else? Is this really something? What a good question. Is this really something that, you know, I want self,

and to me the true test is that is, I don't give a shit to share it, you know. You mean, obviously I was caught on TV and people share, share stuff like that, but like ain't nobody know how many times I've been in the game since, I don't need to share and tell people how many times or where I'm sitting or what, you know, I'm not flashing the ticket prices and the seats and stuff like that. And so that's for me, you know what I'm saying?

And like, so if I'm doing something, the true test to me is like, do I need to share it with anybody else? No, you know who I need to share it with, the person who I'm there with, and that moment, that experience and like that. That's when I know that this is not about anybody else, it's about me. Versus when I make other purchases where I feel like, oh, I can't like to show this off, or let people see this, like that's when I know it's like, okay, well, this is not really coming from the right place.

Yeah, for me, I like spending a lot of money on dining experiences. I love really, really fun, interesting dining experiences. And then vacation. If I'm on vacation, I want it to be as easy as possible because I hate traveling, I hate flying, I hate flying with little kids, I hate all that crap. So if I can make it easy, you know, then that's something I would spend money on. I think we're all pretty similar, believe it or not, even though we're very different about what things we are and I think we all have a pretty similar relationship with money and spending things like that.

I'd say probably Doug is probably the closest to me with like his, he has a little bougie side to him that he, because of the espresso machine. Yeah, but you know what though, again, you could always tell, like, you could also tell, you could also tell, yeah, no, you could tell how genuine it is. It's not, the way I always find out is I see it later or some of the me.

Hey, what did you get that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got that for myself. You know, I really like it. Like you don't go around talking about it or bragging about it or sharing it whatsoever. It's because you know, it's truly for himself. But you know, I do know he's got similar like bougie taste when it comes to things like that.

But everybody's really conservative for the most part, I think. Just what's yours? Vacation, I would say, right? Vacation, I think it's to, it's enhancing just the, like I really wanted to spend money on, like if I'm at the house, like I want my house to be the place where people come and like the friends come.

And like, so we've had a lot of the kids and friends over a lot. So we have a big enough house where it's like, you know, it doesn't feel like I'm crowded and when they have their friends over and so we can do things and open that up. And so, yeah, so I'm actually like planning on building a pool there and so that's another thing to kind of enhance just our local environment and be able to throw parties and have people over it.

I'm just, it's more like a social thing for me. Like if I wanna have like a really nice spot where people can just hang and chill and you know, have a good set. I'm like that too. Yeah, I'm very much so I said, have you already know, are you, have you guys already hosted way more

at this house than you did at the pre- Yeah, way more. Way more already. We didn't host it all. We didn't host it all. We didn't host it all. I know you did. The last place. It just was tough because it was nice when everybody was outside,

but you'd have to really bank on good weather for that. And it just was always like a total coin-tile. That house was not conducive for hosting like you are now. Yeah, and there was a slope, and there's just dangerous stuff everywhere for the kids. And I was always like, ah, you know, watching out for everybody else's kids, because mine were fine, you know, climbing around, but like, you know, it's just,

it was a little chaotic. So to make it less chaotic and then be able to see everybody and then have like set up. So I have like cornhole and stuff outside. And so kids are playing with that. There's like, you know, we got, we got like ramps and stuff for their BMX and they can do that. That's awesome. It's just like one little piece here and there that I add, like enhances everybody's fun.

Last summer I went swimming for the first time in a saltwater pool versus chlorine. What a difference. Yeah. What a difference. That's what everybody shifted to. Yeah, because chlorine is like you get out and you smell it and it messes up your skin and it just changes the color your bathing suit. My skin actually feels better after getting out of the,

like a salt water. Yeah, our hot tubs, or you know, both the hot tubs that we have at the Trucking Park City House are both salt water, but my home hot tub is not. It's an older one, it's chlorine. And it's like, as much as I love it, I always have to like scrub afterwards. So I, you know, it's like nine as much as I love it, I always have to scrub afterwards. So it's like nine o'clock a night,

Katrina and I want to go get the jacuzzi. Sometimes we won't because we're like, I don't want to, I just got the shower. Just got the shower, I don't want to get the jacuzzi and then we'll have to get another shower right afterwards. And so there's times where we won't get in it at the one in our house, but the one up in Truckier at the Park City house,

those ones are like, man, I'll get nothing in full feel refreshed and my skin feels amazing. Speaking of Park City, how far out is, I had somebody message me because we put up the site, what's the site to check out the house? MinePub Park City.com. MinePub Park City.com, is it getting all this crazy book? You this whole month is.

Yeah, okay. I think we have, so it's first come for serve basically, so we're not giving anybody special treatment. I mean, I want to get in. I mean, if you want to Venmo me and bribe me on the table, I can, I mean, maybe we'll make some moves. Send somebody a watch. Yeah.

Yeah. You want to give me a watch. Yeah, we'll book you out. That's a weird thing. That's the last. Yeah, I think we have, we have like not even a full week in May already already booked out. This was actually this last month was the first time we had a really slow month, which I think was because that's in Park City, that's when they started to close down the ski

resorts. And so there was like a transition of the ski resorts getting closed, the seasons kind of changing. So, but this month is starting to warm up there now. So, yeah, this month is already cranking. I know you guys always teasing me over this, but one of the amazing values in having such a big, I have a huge family, local, a lot of them are local. So if we throw a party and we want everybody to come, it's very easy to have 60, 70 people show up. Like very easy. That's how big my family is.

But one of the incredible values of having a big family besides, you know, love and support and all that stuff is I have so many people that I can have test out supplements and products for us. So I had, who's the guinea pig this time? Green juice, I had my aunt start using the Organified Green Juice. All right. She was showing me some other supplements that she's taking.

I'm like, why are you taking this? She's like, oh, I want to just feel healthier. I was what she said. So what do you mean by that? Oh, you know, better digestion, better energy. And I looked at the product and I said, well, I don't know if this ingredient is good. That's a little too stimulant for you. You said you had issues with sleep.

So I, you know, I go back here and I grab green juice and I gave it to her and she loved it. So it's wonderful because I could just have juice and I gave it to her and she loved it. So it's wonderful because I could just have all these family members. I could just just just stuff to test out. So she loves it. She's like, so now now this is what's cool about this. This is my aunt. That's a closer. I have an aunt. That is one of the best sales people in the family. Oh, I see. I can get everybody else. Now here's a problem with that. They're all my family. They're buying shit. They're all like, they sit for free. They're what the entire discount, you know?

We all get free product. Speaking of health, I wanted to address something that, I don't know if we've addressed this before, and probably because it, for most people, this doesn't apply. And when we communicate on the show, we try to communicate to the average person. We always said that strength is the best physical pursuit. And in some cases, this is

not true. It is not true that strength is the best physical pursuit. Once you start to become pretty damn strong and advanced. Once you're lifting a lot of weight, then trying to lift more weight isn't necessarily the best idea because the risk versus reward starts to flip. So when you're a beginner, risk versus reward, it's amazing. You get stronger, you get all these incredible benefits. So long as your form is good, the risk is really low. But when you're getting really strong, if you keep pushing strength, you have a margin of error to where you're safe or you become injured of like 0.1 degree. When you get you should, you probably don't want to chase strength

as much or anymore because you're not gonna get much reward for adding 10 pounds to your 500 pound squat, but the risk of pursuing that is so high. So I just wanna say that. I'm glad you said that because we don't actually say that. We tend to- Because so few people are interested. I know, and I know why we push that, because more people need to hear the other message,

but there's a ton of truth on that. And the other part, to your point, the returns get lower. That's what I mean. So how much would your return... So your risk goes up dramatically as you become really, really strong because you've been doing this for years, pursuing strength. And then the reward, the payback that you get from it is so incremental that it's,

whereas if you're somebody who has neglected, say, mobility for, you know, five years of training strength, the return that you may get on is, you may not see a new, technically a PR or add a bunch of weight to the bar, but the way you feel, the way you move, the better connected you are, the better range of motion that you have, like the return, the return on the other attributes that you get by pursuing that,

or let's say you never pursue anything like in the athletic endeavor where you're never doing anything explosive or working on deceleration or control or stability. Like, if you never train that way, you're always chasing strength all the time. Man, there's a lot to be gained by switching the focus in that direction. The only direction from there is the artificial support system that you'll find with a lot of the training aids and belts and knee sleeves and arm, all these devices

and things to really help keep that as your main focus. When in fact, you could build that intrinsically, but it does take work. And so that is the benefit of kind of stepping away for a bit and really reassessing like what I can do to build myself back up from within. That's it. All right, and you shout out.

Does anybody say a shout out for today? So I do have a shout out. And I found this guy through Chris Williamson. He interviewed him three times and I went down the rabbit hole and he's coming on our show. I don't know what a date we have on scheduled but he's a great follow. His Instagram handle is attachment Adam and he's a relationship psychologist. Right. Excellent information. I mean you will get lost in his stuff. He's really, really good. He's expert on attachment theory,

which is really good. Yeah, and his following's relatively small on Instagram, so he's like on the come up right now, so a real cool person to pay attention right now. I think he's gonna continue to explode, very excited to have him in studio and connect with him. Hey, check this out. It's really hard to eat healthy when you're on the go, right? Convenience stores and gas stations tend to have them in studio and connect with them. Hey, check this out. It's really hardy, healthy when you're on the go, right?

Convenient stores and gas stations tend to have crap. Well, there's a company we work with called Paleo Valley. They make meat sticks that are grass-fed, high in protein, and also not dry. They're actually quite delicious. Go check them out. They have lots of other products as well. The meat sticks just happen to be one of our favorites.

Go to paleovali.com, forward slash mind pump. Use the code Mind Pump 15 for 15% off your order. All right, back to the show. First question is from Hannah Beast, what is the connection between hip and knee pain and how to solve it? Oh, very strong connection between hip dysfunction and knee pain. Also ankle and foot dysfunction and knee pain. But let's pain, but let's talk about the hip, because that's the question. So the best way I can explain it is, if you look at the knee, if you deconstruct the knee joint,

it really only does two things. It flexes and extends, right? It bends and it straightens out. And it doesn't really rotate. There's a little bit of rotation, but there's no muscles that really control that. So it doesn't twist. It doesn't really rotate, there's a little bit of rotation but that's, there's no muscles that really control that. So it doesn't twist, it doesn't bend laterally. So I can't take my knee and bend it to the left

or to the right. And I can't really bend it forward. There's a little bit of hyper extension, but that's it. So it just flexes and extends. But what happens when the hip, which does do all those things, the hip can flex and extend, it can go in front of you, behind you, and the ankle. Yeah, and the ankle too, right? You can bring out your leg out to the side, it can bring the leg to the middle, it can rotate and twist. What if the muscles that control all

those movements are too weak? What if you do a squat and your hips inability to prevent your knee, your leg from twisting is not strong enough, or to prevent your leg from pushing out is not strong enough. Well, then what happens is the ligaments that are not supposed to do those things, support the knee joint and keep it strong and steady. Over time, those ligaments can create, you can create problems, you can create injuries

and inflammation because they are designed to stabilize the knee, but they're not designed to stabilize, of weight over time or things that the hip is supposed to do. So if the hip can't do something, then the knee joint is going to have to try and do it. And because it's not designed or we can evolve to necessarily support it in that way, that's very too much of the brunt of the force. That's right. And in fact, our body's designed to be able to handle that more effectively with the

hip. And all that range of motion, like you said, to be able to turn and rotate and hit all those different angles, you're going to look towards the hips. And then you briefly mentioned the ankles as well too. That's a big factor when it comes to the knees. So the knees, rarely I've like, you know, with knee pain and with any kind of knee injury, unless it's like a real cute,

a cute yeah, like a blunt force trauma where like you're in a, in a game and something happens where like you get, you know, a direct shot to the knee where we get like some kind of a tear there and the ligament is it a factor where the knee is, is the culprit. Never in my experience, the only time that somebody has knee pain that isn't due to either

hip or ankle issues was when they had an acute injury. So somebody never healed right or something? Yeah, that's the that's the and even then by the way when they had like a torn ACL or MCL many times what lead lead to the tear or the injury was weakness in the hip or weakness in the ankles. That's why the knee gave out. So even in those situations where there was an acute injury, almost always is the hip and ankle involved.

So it's kind of like a default for sure go to, if you have any sort of chronic knee pain at all, that you start to address hip mobility and ankle mobility and then strengthening those in that and hopefully a new found range of motion that you will start to see some sort of alleviation in the pain in that area. Yeah, so if you want healthy knees, you need to have stable, strong, healthy hips, ankles, and feet. When people have a bad knee or a knee that bothers them, they tend to place all the emphasis on you need to have stable, strong, healthy hips, ankles and feet. When people have a bad knee or a knee that bothers them,

they tend to place all the emphasis on working on the knee, but oftentimes that's not the problem. And so you end up focusing on the knee, looking at the knee, what's happening with the knee? Oh, it starts to feel better. Now it's not feeling better what's going on. It's because the hip and the ankle and the foot

were where that problem started. So to give another, you know, kind of something to support this, female athletes suffer from ACL tears at a significantly higher rate than male athletes. This is a fact, any physio will tell you this. Why? Because females have wider hips than males do or pelvis bones. So the angle from the hip to the knee is greater, and that puts more stress on the ligaments of the knee.

So female athletes, if you're a trainer and you work with female athletes, you know this. You have to place more emphasis on stabilization of the hips and ankle stabilization with female athletes, the male athletes, because the demands are ankle stabilization with female athletes, the male athletes, because the demands are much higher on their knee, because that angle is harsher, whereas a male athlete is much more straight

than it is with a female athlete. By the way, when you get to the highest level of competition with female athletes, the ones that compete at pro level or Olympic levels, what you'll notice is they have narrow hips, because that's part of the reason why the way they perform so well, is you'll notice is they have narrow hips because that's part of the reason why they were able to perform so well is they were just genetically had more narrow hips and had that straight angle and probably didn't suffer from as many

of those issues. Right, and that's where some of the myth comes into like, you know, doing CrossFit or something and some women are like. Makes you boxy. Yeah, like boxy, you know, but that's just a selection, self-selection. Exactly. Now to give you another example, let's say I were to pick something up and bring it to my mouth. In order to do so, I'll be using a little bit of wrist, finger, lots of elbow, and a little

bit of shoulder. Now imagine if I had to do that, but my elbow was fixed, okay? In order for me to even try, I would use way more shoulder and scapula, way more wrist and finger to try and reach my mouth. I wouldn't be able to, but my point is I'm overcompensating with these other joints to perform this action because my elbow can no longer do what it's supposed to. So when you're hip and in your ankle and your foot aren't doing what they're supposed to, the knee tries to do more than it's designed for or that it it can it's capable of and that's why people start to develop chronic knee problems.

Next question is from Ali PAK. How can I get better depth for squats? or that it is capable of. And that's why people start to develop chronic knee problems. Next question is from Ali PAK. How can I get better depth for squats? I mean, the simple answer is to practice squatting deeper and work on the things that allow you to get deeper, ankle, mobility, stability, the hip, strength, and the spine. That's general though, but you have to kind of get specific because it could be one or all of those things, or even something else.

For me, it was my ankles. I think that's more common than not, right? Wouldn't you say that it's rarely... It's rarely, yeah, it's usually ankle. It's rarely not, ankles. It's rarely ever is it not ankle, it's related. Or at least that's one of the major issues. And one of the easiest ways to find out is you is put your feet or your heels on some thick blocks

or two plates. Put two 45 pound plates, put your heels on there. You're up to 20. Yeah, and then can you sit all the way down? No problem. If you can sit all the way down, no problem with your heels elevated like that. That means it's an ankle mobility issue

that's keeping you from that type of depth. Now, if you elevate your heels that much and you still can't sit your butt all the way back down on your calves, okay, well then maybe there is like a hip instability issue that's going on that we need to address, but more often than not, ankle mobility is the number one reason why I can't get somebody to break parallel. Yeah, and if not, I mean, I have had some clients where they just have this natural sort of governing in place where they get to a certain range. And then they've always trained that way

to hit that like parallel mark and nothing lower. So to treat this as a completely different exercise and not use the same way, it really reduced the amount of load, gradually incrementally make their way down and just focus on being able to summon more force and to be able to dig your way out of like each angle as you approach it. So it's a lot more of a gradual process than you'd think and to not rush your way down to that depth.

That's a great point. I mean, that's piece of what Salisano, just like potentially just practicing it more because I think I had kind of a combination of the two. I was taught to never, never break 90. It was taught to go right to 90 degrees. So even as a young trainer, I was training that way for a long time. And then in addition to that, I didn't have the ankle ability. So then I built strength up in that short and range of motion. And then thinking that I'm just going to do that same way full depth is not happening. So yeah, first practice body weight. Can you get yourself all the way down

in that position comfortably, and then elevate the heels and see if that helps, and it's more than likely one of those two things. Now this begs the question, why would I wanna go deeper with my squats? Well, first off, we're gonna refer to safe depth or depth that you can control. That's different from person to person.

You can improve upon this. Of course, don't go out squat deeper than you have the control and stability for it. That's bad. Why would you want to teach yourself to be able to squat deeper with good control and good stability? You build generally more muscle and generally you build more strength overall. So for most people, except for like specific, like sport specific type stuff, generally most people do squats because they want to develop their lower body,

they want nice wide range of strength, they want to have no knee pain, no hip pain, no back pain, they want to feel really good. Well, being able to do really deep squats with good form, good stability and good control will do that better than doing squats that aren't so deep. So the pursuit of getting deep squats and then the ability to do them, it just, it's way more valuable. A good deep squat is far more valuable than a good not so deep squat. So if you can't squat that deep because something is wrong with your technique

or your form or your stability or mobility, work on those things because you're not getting all of the benefits of this tremendous exercise and all the squats. Next question is from Josh Nickerson. What if I have high total T but low free T? Does that mean I have a lot in my body and I'm not using utilizing all of it? If so, how do I fix it?

This is interesting because, okay, so total testosterone in T is what he's referring to as testosterone. Total testosterone is the amount of just circulating testosterone you have in your body. just circulating testosterone you have in your body. Free testosterone is the testosterone that your body's able to utilize and they are two different things. You can have testosterone that is bound up to use the term that the hormone specialists will say by something called sex binding globulin hormone.

And what happens is when it's binding it up, your body just can't use it. So it's like, imagine having all this food in your house, but it's all locked behind, you know, in a safe. So we got all this food, but we can't eat it. So we're still gonna starve. So it's like the scientific term for blue balls. What?

No. Said all right. It's a good connection. No. It kind of sounds like it doesn't it? It's all bound up. Yeah. It kind of sounds like it doesn't. It's all bound up. It's got to get to free. You got to free it.

I don't even think blue was real. That's a myth made up by dudes. Sorry. Sorry. No, don't do that. So, okay, so it's like you have all this testosterone, but you can't use it. So you can literally so it's like you have all this testosterone, but you can't use it. So you can literally, and there's lots of cases of this,

where a man will get his testosterone levels checked. The doctor only texts total testosterone, and the doctor's like, your testosterone is fine. And the guy's like, man, I got all these, you get all the symptoms and everything else, and it doesn't explain either. Yeah, all these low testosterone symptoms, like I'm low motivation, low beta, low energy,

like I feel anxious, but the doctor said my total testosterone was 800, which is really high, like this doesn't make sense. It's because, or it could be because that testosterone's not able to be utilized. So this person obviously has this issue. So what does this mean? Can you fix it?

There's some things you could do. The most, to my knowledge, the most common reasons for this is a potential nutrient deficiency, selenium, boron, I believe is another one. If you don't have enough, I think you produce too much sex binding, globulent hormone. I believe stress can play a role in this. If this is you, I definitely recommend you see a specialist that understands testosterone really well, because just going on testosterone wouldn't necessarily help. You could actually get more side effects.

And there are ways you can lower the amount of sex binding, globular hormone, and raise free testosterone. I know Doug, in fact, I don't know, I should ask you if I should ask you. lower the amount of sex binding, globular hormone and raise free test off-strand. I know Doug, in fact, I don't know, I should ask you if I should. No, that's fine. Go ahead. We're just all out there.

You had a lot of erectile dysfunction. It knows. I'm just very clear about three balls. That's all it was. No. When we worked with, so we worked with a bunch of experts in this at mphormones.com and we all got blood tests. Doug's total T was high, but his free T was low in comparison

because a lot of it was bound up. Yeah, and I think we've determined partly that stress has a lot to do with that. High cortisol levels. So cortisol actually affects your ability to free up that testosterone from my understanding. So like Dr. Cabral, for example, he had me take some supplements. I think DHEA was one of them.

Okay. He has an actual supplement. It's a testosterone support supplement that I've taken. I haven't been tested here though for like four or five months, and so I'd be interested to see where I'm at right now. Yeah, so lifestyle can affect this quite a bit. So sleep. Yeah, so sleep for sure.

Yeah, so if you go mphoromones.com, they'll, you can, you know, sign up for like a full panel and their experts, so they'll test everything including total and free testosterone. And then they have ways of either medically or lifestyle-wise, of getting you the right ratio of total to free. Because again, you could literally have great total testosterone and have all the symptoms of low testosterone, which I mean, if you don't know this,

can be so mysterious and frustrating. Because I don't understand, I have high testosterone. I feel like shit, though. This doesn't make any sense. I thought I've heard you say, too, that an energy receptor density also makes a difference, too. Because I don't understand, I have high testosterone. I feel like shit though. This doesn't make any sense. I thought I've heard you say too that endogen receptor density also makes a difference too. It does, but that doesn't have anything to do with this.

And that could be largely genetic. That would have anything to do with the uptake of the testosterone? No, I mean, so actually what happens with the study's show is when your testosterone is low or your free testosterone is low, your endogen receptor density goes up to try to make up the difference. Yeah, so people with low testosterone, their bodies will increase the amount of angiogen receptors to try to offset it. This is why I, I mean, I experienced this.

So when I got tested, my testosterone was in the floor. And when I went on testosterone for like a good three months, I felt like I was a maniac because it's probably uptake all of it. I had so many Androgen receptors. Okay. Yeah, that I was like, I was like a 14 year old boy. It was probably it was primed for. It was too much right. But now they've regulated and kind of balanced out.

So, but no, this is different than that. Next question is from Johnny John John 88. My girlfriend avoids doing chest workouts as she thinks that it will make her boobs get smaller. Is this really true? False. Oh no. Yeah, you can't spot reduce. You work out an area, your body doesn't just burn body fat from the area, it loses it from everywhere. That'll actually, it'll actually make your boobs sit up higher.

It lifts them. Yeah. Yep. You build the upward chest muscles so they're not loose and saggy for a lack of a better term. And they're tight and full. Yeah, it'll sit them up. So any time I had I'd have girls that I was training that were afraid of this, that's how I'd explain to them and that always got them like switch gears. They're like, okay, we can do some chest, you know what I'm saying? Because this idea that, now, if you lean out, and you lose lots of body fat, then you're, you're,

because overall body fat. Because, yeah, boobs are high in body fat, right? So, if you lose a significant amount of body fat, then, yeah, the boobs are going to shrink a little bit, but doing chest specifically is not going to do that. And in fact, we'll actually make the breasts sit up more upright. So you know that there was a study, I might have brought this up on the show a long time ago, that wearing, I'm not trying to convince everybody to do this by the way, but wearing bras all the time, actually can cause your boobs to sag more.

Because it's a cast. Yes, because it's holding the boobs up and the muscles and ligaments and things that support the breath weaken because they're no longer needed. Now I imagine that the so they actually become I imagine the studies on that though are probably women who don't train at all right because if you don't train at all and you put a cast on them by you know I wear versus a woman who trains. Oh, I'm sure that offset that, yeah. Right, probably offsets that. So if you train, chast all the time,

even if you obviously wear a bra all the time, that probably offsets that were, I bet that study was done on women that don't. Yeah, I imagine you dress up across syndrome and you're working all those muscles like, you know, in your back and everything to make sure your posture is nice and presented upright. Like you're gonna be, you gonna be miles ahead of most.

Yeah, but you can't spot reduce. So this is an old fear, I see you hear this all day. I don't hear as much anymore. So it's interesting that it just popped up. So I think a lot of people know this now, but just like your butt, like you could have a body fat on your butt and not even build your butt much.

Just a little bit and your butt will sit higher because the muscles lift everything, same thing with the chest. So look, if you like mine pump, head over to minPumpFree.com and check out all of our free fitness guides. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin.

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