Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2069: How to Look Like You Work Out, the Dangers of Eating Too Much Salt, the Pros & Cons of Intuitive Training & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: May 6, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Red-light therapy is legit! And the science supports it. (2:18) Kids hear and copy EVERYTHING! (17:55) A.I. that can read your mind, and the potential for good/bad. (22:54) Turning PTSD (Post-traumatic stress disorder) into PTG (Post-Traumatic Growth). (35:02) Learning more about EDMR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy, Sal’s first experience, and upcoming session. (38:33) Podcast therapy for personal growth. (45:58) LMNT is crushing it! (49:02) Shout out to @homeandontheway. (53:29) #ListenerLive question #1 - I feel a little lost and would love some guidance. When I was 13, I was diagnosed with anorexia. I am now recovered, and in 2020 I started running. I now run about 6 -7 miles 6 days a week, strength train for about an hour and a half 5 days a week, and average about 25000 steps. I have never gotten a period, and just got lab work finding out I have low estrogen, testosterone, and severe anemia. (57:18) #ListenerLive question #2 - I have been consistently working out for over 20 years. I have a degree in nutrition. I would like to look like all the work I put in. What can I do? (1:12:16) #ListenerLive question #3 - I've added heaps of salt to my diet and started to notice a lot of negative impacts. I'm just curious if there are any other known health risks to overconsuming salt in the presence of a wholefood diet? (1:28:20) #ListenerLive question #4 - I would love to hear your thoughts on the concept of “intuitive training?”  (1:39:46) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump May Promotion: MAPS Prime or MAPS Prime Pro or the Prime Bundle 50% off! **Code MAY50 at checkout** Effects of low level laser therapy (808 nm) on physical strength training in humans Use of low-level laser therapy (808 nm) to muscle fatigue resistance: a randomized double-blind crossover trial When is the best moment to apply photobiomodulation therapy (PBMT) when associated to a treadmill endurance-training program? A randomized, triple-blinded, placebo-controlled clinical trial AI can now read your mind, researchers report as the 'godfather of AI' quits to warn about his life's work All-In Podcast - E126: Big Tech blow-out, Powell’s recession warning, lab-grown meat, RFK Jr shakes up race & more Mental Healthcare Clinic Focusing On Your Brain Health | Dr. Amen Post-Traumatic Growth Inventory & Scale - PositivePsychology.com Mind Pump #2052: Chalene Johnson: Female Fitness Mogul Visit Mobility Wall for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** MAPS Fitness Anabolic   Why The Scale Is Not Always The Best Way To Measure Progress – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1830: Five Steps To Determine Your Ideal Caloric Intake MAPS Fitness Performance Mind Pump #2062: Biohack Fatherhood With Ben Greenfield MAPS 15 Minutes   Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Chalene Johnson (@chalenejohnson) Instagram Ayelet | Montessori, Peaceful Parenting, & Attachment (@homeandontheway) Instagram Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfieldfitness) Instagram  

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They almost all are complete crap. But every once in a while, I'm almost never shocked by new products. They almost all are complete crap. But every once in a while, I do get blown away. When I first learned about red light therapy, I thought it was a hoax shine light on your body, build more muscle-improved performance, speed up recovery, grow hair, sounds like snake oil. Well, I'm here to tell you, it's legit. The studies are quite crazy.

In fact, I'm reading studies right now that show dramatic improvements in muscle and strength just from using red light therapy. We'll share these in the show notes and here if you're watching on YouTube you can see it the links here, but pretty crazy stuff. So does this cover what strength training would do in nutrition and sleep? No, however adding red light therapy should show you some pretty significant results. Sounds like magic, but everybody I'm here to tell you, the science supports it. This is one of those ones that I thought for sure when I heard about it, I was like, get out of here.

This is crap. Pure snake oil. And then I saw one study, I'm like, yeah, right. And I saw another study, I'm like, what? And the more and the more and the more. And I keep bringing some evidence. It's on evidence, it just kept coming. It's the, it'm like, what? And the more and the more and the evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more evidence, the more

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You know, like when all the studies started coming out around cannabis, it's just like, it seemed too good to be true because it's like, oh, it helps this, oh, it helps that. Oh, it's found everywhere in the body. Oh, relief joint pain, oh, better sleep, oh, relief anxiety, it's like, that's what I feel about red light therapy.

It's just, I keep reading more and more about how it just positively affects everything. Oh, energy, oh, mood, oh, recovery, oh, skin, oh, wrinkles, oh, bal oh, skin, oh, wrinkles, oh, balding, it's like, it's one of those things that has this really interesting effect on the body in so many different positive ways. Well, I think too, it's like, we don't,

I mean, going through school, how much did you get educated on how much light affects to your cells in terms of like, you know, your health and like, how many like, receptors we have and where we have them and like, what that whole function and all that entails, like we just didn't get informed in that direction. I think that's why it sounds a lot like it's, you know, it's something that a wizard culture.

Like, focus, focus. Yeah. Back to what you said, Adam, I mean, obviously to paint the context, uh, cannabinoid science very different. Obviously, there's, there could there could be abuse and negative effects and down regulation receptors and all that stuff. With light therapy, there doesn't seem to be anything in the negative.

If anything, it seems to be, I say, seams because even I'm skeptical. Even though the data goes back decades, this isn't like new study just came out and now we're like, wow, this is cool. They've been studying this for decades and it's remarkable. And basically to boil it all down for anybody

who's listening, it was like, what is he talking about? A particular spectrum of light, when shined on the body, basically essentially super charges mitochondria. Maticondria is loosely put, I know scientists hate, you know, when people use this term, but it's the best description for the laymen, I'd say. It's a powerhouse. Yeah, it's like the engine of the cell.

All your cells use mitochondria to function. All your cells. So when you supercharge them or improve their ability to utilize fuel, whatever that cell does, it does better now. So if it's to grow hair, you grow better, thicker hair. If it's for skin, it's going to be more rejuvenated. If it's for muscle, better adaptations, faster recovery, all that stuff.

If it's inflammation, the inflammatory process becomes more efficient. So it makes sense when you look at it and understand it from that standpoint. But the study's still, man, or just it's so weird to see what some of these studies say about athletic performance in red light therapy. It's wild. So, do you think that some of the popularity around it is because of how much we don't get in the sun anymore? I feel like that's part of why it's got, because they have, it's been studied for quite

some time, but I think it's starting, because it's been studied for quite some time, but I think it's starting to have such profound effects on people not just because there's something magical about red light therapy, but many of the benefits that you gain from red light therapy are similar to the benefits that you gain from more sun exposure, and we live in a time right now. Most people have a massive deficit.

Well, so more than ever, right? I mean, especially going through the pandemic. Well, so I'm going to use a good, so yes and no. So yes, you do get some of the red light spectrum from the sun. Here's why it's a no, though. It is literally like the best comparison I can use is creating.

Do you get creatine from natural sources like me? You do. How hard is it to get the five to 10 grams a day where we see these maximum strength and cognitive benefits of creating that pounds of meat? Really hard. And then along with that comes other stuff like to get the amount of red light that you get from like, let's say a juice panel, you'd have to be out in the sun quite a bit and extend it and you can get sunburn and all that stuff

and it becomes very unrealistic. This is literally like a supplement in the sense that it's taking this beneficial thing 10 minutes of it. Constant trading the benefits. Constant trading the benefits of it and you get these performance enhancing effects. So it's different in that sense.

So yes, you do get some of it for sun but you're trying to get it just from sun alone, like good luck, not gonna happen. You're probably gonna get sunburn. You don't live in an area with lots of, you know, sunlight or whatever and all that stuff. But listen to these studies. It's just crazy. Here's one on, on leg strength.

And we're not even talking about like, you like, there's, there's statistically significant results. And then there's significant where you, as a trainer or coach, I'm like, what the hell? Like statistically significant would be like 15% increase, right? So what does that mean? This group did 10 reps, this group did 11 or 12 reps. All right, so yeah, a little bit of a boost, right? That's great.

No, no, no. They did a leg press test. The therapy group got, had a 55% over the non-therapy group strength boost, 55%. Here's another one. They had a placebo controlled study on grip strength, 52% increase with people using red light therapy. I mean, this is crazy for exhaustion or stamina. Researchers, this is another study in 2018.

These are triple blind, this is a triple blind placebo controlled trial in 2018. So it's like gold, gold standard. Researchers found that pre-exercise light therapy increased the time to exhaustion and oxygen uptake and also decreased the body fat and healthy vent volunteers when compared to placebo. It was, there was a applied before and after endurance training sessions led to improvement

and endurance, right, this? Three times faster. Wow. The next exercise alone. Like, and I mean, there's study after study, we'll put these in the show notes. That's pretty potent, man. Like, it's not like a little, a little bit. It's like, a big difference.

You see them making its way into, you know, your commercial gym's now, right? This fitness 19 is now the second gym in the Bay Area that I've been to that offers the red light therapy. So, I mean, it was just not that long ago where most places didn't even know what it was, much less are starting to carry it at the facility. By the way, some of the studies I mentioned

have been done over the last 10 years. There were other studies that were done before that showed some pretty amazing results as well. I mean, like I said, some of them go back to the 60s and 70s, I want to say. But the problem was, it was real world not applicable. Like, the machines were hundreds of thousands of dollars. They were massive.

You'd have to do it on a regular basis. So it's not like you do it once and then that's it once a month you do the treatment, you get the benefit. It's like you have to kind of do it like three or four days a week to see the benefit. So nobody could do it. It was too expensive, didn't fit in your home,

like no one's gonna ever use this. Well now with modern technology and all that stuff, like Jew, for example, you buy a panel very affordable, it's in your house, they make small ones that are this big and they make the long ones wanna do full body. And now you can do it every single day. And now you can actually get the benefits

they show in studies. That's the thing with studies sometimes is they'll show the benefit of a compound, but in the real world, you're not able to do what they do. Like they'll show intravenous, you know, application of this particular compound improves muscle. Like, well, nobody can do that. They're doctors managing the whole process.

Yeah, I think. The clinical setting. Yeah, exactly. I think the standard for most of the major benefits that you list off are similar to the cold plunge as far as the amount of exposure. Not even that regular. You actually, I think, so the, I know the cold plunge as far as the amount of exposure, not even that regular. You actually, I think, so the, I know the cold plunge is, I think three, three 12 minute

or 10, or no. Well, I mean, regularly like weekly. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I noticed that when I was doing, using the Juve consistently, it's like, it's one of those things where it's like while you're doing it, you see lots of benefits. You stop doing it.

It's not like you keep all those benefits from it. You got to keep it going. It's literally like a it's like three 10-minute sessions a week Yeah, it's literally like a signal for adaptation like exercise Like you can't work out once a month and then expect you know You have to do it enough to allow the adaptations to compile and build off each other so like you get stronger You take some time off your workout and you get stronger off the strength that you already built. But if you take too much time off, you go back to where you were before

and you don't really progress. That's why this has never been applicable to the average person because who's gonna have a $500,000 machine that is the size of their garage, right? Nobody. But now it's like you buy it online, like I said, hundreds of dollars, you get a panel. That's interesting.

I wonder like other experiments and things of the past that were just like two robust, two expensive, to conduct that people are working on to try and make available for your everyday average person. And like it's actually had some success, but it's like to be able to implement it was just way to robust. And also too, like just the relevance of light,

and how that affects us, it means obviously, a big factor, more of a big factor than we thought. In terms of our health, I keep thinking of like two, other woo-woo stuff that you'd probably throw away and discard, like say, electromagnetic, you know, like some kind of radiation that's affecting me, you know, like, some kind of radiation that's affecting me, you know, like something, maybe I need to work with magnets, or you know, if you were to see it later on,

like a few years from now, what they've been able to like concentrate and make more effective also. Yeah, I mean, you guys know this, I mean, we, this is, we had to figure this out as trainers, is that their stuff that has some benefit, and then you also have to throw it through the filter of, but will my client do this and is this realistic?

Yeah, is it realistic? Like, if there's something that you can... And then also, how does it compare to some of the big rocks? That's what I mean, right? Like, it's like, if you, which I've always been this way, right, with clients that ask questions about tools like this, it's like, are you, do you have a sleep routine? You know? Are you getting your protein intake consistently? It's like, why you asked me about this $1500 light that could potentially do all these great things. If you're not doing the things that are for free

right now, that could affect you as much or more than those things. It's like, at least check those box and then I'm all for that stuff, especially if you have a disposable income, then it makes sense. Whatever, you know what I'm saying? The experiment, have all the tools, have all the cool stuff, like I'm not against that. But if you're like $1500 or $1500 to you and you're like, hey, I'm not doing those things.

It's like at least check the big box is first and then you then you add something like that in. Yeah, I would say. I would say. Yeah, I would say it's like, it's as easy as this. It's like 10 minutes before your workout or after your workout a few days a week. That's doable for most people.

But yeah, if you're doing everything, if you're not working out- I'm still trying to figure out- Why would you do anything? I hope Juve comes up with it because I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna, I've been telling you guys forever. I want to rig it to where it's like mounted above my shower

or some other- So why you're taking a shower? Yeah, so that it's just like a thing where I switch it on when I'm doing that because I'm less consistent. Like what I had done in the past, and I know my lights here right now, which I'm gonna steal a back home,

was I would shower and then I'd go stand in front of it for, you know, 10, 15 minutes. But to be consistent with that sometimes, like I'm notorious for having to take a shower and then needing to go out the door pretty quick. So I'm less consistent with it like that, where I feel like if it was mounted somewhere near or right by my shirt, so I could be showering

and getting at the same time would be like the, or imagine making a red light shower. Like who cares if you're getting all, like if the whole, like imagine the whole thing was. Justin right now is picturing a Darth Vader coming out of it No serious though. I mean I would total I mean I obviously be more even more expensive But I see the value in it so much. I've felt it by doing it consistently So I know it's just it's literally about implementing it making it very consistent like if that was if I could hit a switch in my whole shower was a

How sick with that. Well, so Jessica did it. So, you know how stretch marks are largely genetic, right? This is pretty well accepted. Katrina, you used the same one. Yeah, so, you know, if you're prone to stretch marks, you're prone to stretch marks. There's not a lot you could do, but the red light therapy studies have shown that it reduces stretch marks and improves your skin's ability to stretch and not get those marks and not stuff.

Well anyway, and she's prone to stretch marks. She has a few from one thing she went through puberty, not super visible, but she's like, oh, okay, when I get pregnant, I'm probably gonna get stretch marks. She used a red light therapy, didn't get a single, not a single stretch mark with each kid, not a single one.

And she had both kids in her 30s, which is supposed to even increase your risk even more. She did it while she was obviously growing, and then afterwards, nothing, not a single one. And I don't know, have you ever, like what's the, the whole cocoa butter thing, right? Is it cocoa butter they use? And I've looked up studies on creams and stuff,

for those things. And it's like, it's mixed results. Is what I've said. That's what I've heard to you. Katrina did it. She was like super above both of them. She definitely, she was like, I do not want to have to have all kinds of stretch marks and stuff like that. Not that there's anything wrong or bad with it,

that was her room. I wouldn't care, but she cared. And so she was like consistent as shit. How funny is it though, just like off topic with that with stretch marks? I don't know about you guys, when I was a kid, I wanted them. Of course, it's so bad to kid, I wanted them. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So bad to show that I built muscle. Yeah. Especially here in the chest and the arm. I'm like, you always get excited when you're like, oh I'm growing. Yeah.

Yeah. Did you guys like care about it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I got a few here. Yeah, same thing under my arm and I got some in the cakes even. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised. But women hate men want them. Yeah. Yeah. I guess if you were a guy who put on a lot of a lot of stuff, you probably don't like them. No, I guess so.

Yeah. Depends on whether it's connected to you. Yeah, as a young skinny kid, I wanted them. Because it was, it was a for sure clear. How funny is that though, is that, that was like my real indicator that, okay, I am growing. Because I was still in my head, I didn't think I was. If you were to ask me.

Wait a minute, I got stretch marks. I was like, I have to be growing. I have stretch marks, right? But, I mean, how funny is that how we, how we, how, like, how distorted you have, you know, I know. It's crazy. Hey, speaking of kids, you know, my,

so my, my two-year-old, he's at the age, he's talking like crazy. Random senses, no. Well, they just, you really, I mean, you constantly are reminded how much they hear you and pick up on the shit that you say when they'll say random things, you know? And you gotta be careful, right?

Well, you say, anyway, you know, his baby sister, you know, Dahlia, she's only five months old, she takes naps, right? Throughout the day. And we have a monitor on her. So while she's napping, we can see her here, you know, what's going on. So Jessica puts her down, comes downstairs with Aralius

and they're really just playing her whatever, and then Dahlia starts waking up. And he walks over to the bodator, and he looks at it and he goes, oh, oh God, she's awake already. It's just like, he's just like, what? She's like, yeah, that's me for sure.

That's me. That's me. He also came up to me the other day, and he was, oh, she's like, yeah, that's me for sure. I said that. He also come, came up to me the other day. And he was, again, he's in that. He's hitting the two's man. Let me tell you. And he goes over to me and he goes, mama, mama's, she, he said a word. I don't understand what he said.

Then I kind of deciphered it. He goes, mama's pissed off. I'm like, mama's pissed off. He goes, yeah. Oh my God. I'm pissed off. You know, it's funny. So we're at, we're like, we've been going through that phase

for a while too, right? So what's the next step or the next thing that happens with that phase is when, you know, because he gets to spend lots of time with his Nana with just, which is Tina and my sister and family, is that when he picks up something that somebody else says that's not you and then you're like, where'd you get that from?

So he says, what the heck all the time? And that's totally Tina, like I've never said, what the heck before, but that's what she does all the time. She'll see something that's off the wall, she's like, what the heck? And so now he says that all the time. What's funny is they use it appropriately. Well, no, he totally does.

Yeah, like, I'm gonna get for it. I'm gonna get for it. Yeah, I was like showing him something, and it was. Well, no, he totally does. Yeah, like, I'm gonna get the same time. I'm gonna get the same time. Yeah, I was like showing him something and it was like something that I couldn't figure out. I couldn't figure out how to close like one of his toys or something. And he's like, what the heck? I was like, what did that come from?

I heard Aralius say shit once. He dropped, yes, dude. He dropped one of his cars and he goes, and under his breath, shit. And I'm like, and I didn't, because you want to react, but if you react, he knows, well, I should say that. So I said nothing and I just held it in.

And I'm like, little prayer, please God don't let me say that. It's fine we're talking about this because I just put out a swear jar in my house like recently and like last night. Is it for you or is it for you and Courtney or the kids too? Everybody knows. Yeah, so I just made a deal with them

because I was like, I was going on this ramble, like I was having this sort of soapbox speech. I was like talking to Ethan about, like being a man and blah, blah, blah, blah. And for dramatic emphasis, I said shit. And so then, ever it was kind of listening and came over and they both found an opportunity to try and slide it in conversation. You know, just because dad said it, now it's like the floodgates are open. I'm like, no, no, no, no. I was like, I did that deliberately to emphasize a point.

And you know, dad doesn't swear, like it's just something we don't, we just don't use the language much in the house, but you know it I'm not like super like hammering them about it or anything. We just don't do it Yeah, and so I was like, oh no, I just like opened it up, you know for them to feel like it's like so here's the thing You see I will I'll intentionally like if I say something even if it's for that like I'll go ahead I'll pay a buck, you know into the thing and then we'll spend it on something fun later. So it's not like it's like a punishment per se. Awareness. Awareness. So we were just dealing back.

I was like, what if it's like in a different language and then Ethan's doing all these and like German and Russian. I'm like, of course, he's going to stretch this as far as he can. I'm like, well, that's $0 25 cents because I don't really know what that means Yes, you use the currency of the country that that boy. Yeah, they're pressing me on it and I was like okay And I just went in their room and ticked their money and they're like oh this is real yeah, yeah, this is real My oldest dropped an F bomb in front of my mom the other day was just uh oh wow Yeah, dude like casually to just casually oh this fucking guy and my mom excuse me

And I looked at him I'm like you're talking to your grandma. Oh, man. It's not at home, bro You can say that to me you're talking my mom about it. I'm in trouble. Not you. That's why I told him afterwards I said yeah, don't cuss the front of no your audience. I'm in trouble that you oh So what happens you just excuse me and then he said she looked at me like I'm oh a trouble, not you. Oh, wow, oh, wow. So what happened? She just, excuse me, and then he said, she looked at me like, oh, god, I'm, oh, you got the look. Yeah, dude. That's what I mean.

One time when he was, I think it was like six or seven, we, I don't remember what happened. And my mom will still turn around and like, try to whack me. You know, she'll hit me in my arm or something like that, right? But I remember my kid looked at me like, you still get hit? Like, like, yeah, I said, you don't even know your gravel throw down with me

should carry on, man. Yeah, thanks, sir. Yeah, I like stuff. It's, it's hella funny stuff. Anyway, I got some, some more great AI news. I know, it's all bad, scary shit, whatever. Let's just talk about this. No, Kesco, the darkness.

I know, so you guys know, we talked about this already. I'm gonna pull it up here. The, one of the godfathers, it's called the Godfather of AI, is left, right, the whole AI movement because he's like, basically he's like, I don't want any part of this. This is going bad or whatever. Even though I created it.

Yeah, I need saying stuff like, it's hard to see how you can prevent the bad actors from using it for bad things and I don't want to be a part of it anymore. Bro, I did not know this. This is a recent experiment. This is crazy to me. They just did recent experiments where they used large language models of AI that were able to translate brain activity into words. This is AI that can

read your mind. What? Yeah. Literally can read your mind. What's the way? Relative accuracy. It's literally a matter of time before it can't read your mind. Okay, so this was through like obviously this is in like a clinical setting where they have those like electro-typing attached to your to your head. So you can get real-time brave one. But so we don't have the technology right now to like read into somebody on the street. Not yet, but it's there. It's scary. It's there. Well you see the, I know you're not current on all of them. They actually had they talked about this kid who literally just learned how to code a year or two ago,

or a couple of years, not like a hardcore like, you know, what they call those, you know, engineers that are badass, right? So he's relatively new in the space and he gave chat GBT four eyes. Basically gave it like the ability to see something. So he and communicate with him. And he demoed it where he took a like a soda can and held it up and used obviously as computer monitor, what are with that as the eyes for Chad GBT and communicated with it what it was and how many calories it had and everything with that. And it was. Oh wow. Yeah. So he's just presenting objects in front of him and describing it. Exactly. He doesn't have to describe it. It sees it. And so he's just presenting objects in front of him and describing it. Exactly. He doesn't have to describe it. It sees it.

And so he's just asking questions. How many calories does this have? Because isn't the internet of things, they've already been cataloging everything they possibly can in that sort of. So obviously, once you can see it, it recognizes it right away and then can, yeah, deduce down to, oh, okay, that has no calories. It's a, you know, whatever. See, this is different than what you're thinking, Justin.

You're thinking it's going gonna compare it to previous things. Yeah, previous data points of the picture. I think what AI is different, the reason why AI is different is it's literally reading things by understanding, like the way humans do. Like, I don't necessarily need to compare to other things. It could look different, but I can recognize that's a guitar,

or that's a different looking car. I've never seen one that looks like that, but I can tell it's a car. That's the challenge with having computers see things. That's why when you log in to somewhere, and it says, touch the pictures, all the pictures that have trees. Oh right, like are you a robot? Let's say they're only determining fact.

Not anymore now. That you're a robot or a human. That's gonna eliminate that. Which by the way, I feel that Tesla won at a three times. Right. Yeah, because it's a tree, it's a tree in that water, is it not in that water? It's like a branch. The boiler is kind of like bleeding into this box.

Does that mean I hit this box? I hate those, I hate those two of the things, yeah. My favorite ones are like, put tap here if you're not a robot. Like, that's it. That's like, I am not a robot. Okay. I promise. But dude, the mind reading one is, well, first off, I could see the potential benefit in like, you know, like for fighting crime

or persecuting people, like instead of... Persecuting or prosecuting. Huh? Yeah, prosecuting. So instead of like, you know, a light detector test, we'll sit you down, hook up to this machine. Oh, cool. You know the crime, you know what happened?

You saw it. You've, you've visioned it. You were there. So that's start guilty. So there's a start up. I forget the name of it. That just got this got like one billion or something like that and funding something ridiculous. And it's the one that is the AI for law. Like they think that's I mean, so the theory like a lawyer you mean? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Lawyers are screwed. Yeah. Well,. So the theory is that the jobs that are going to get reduced as far as how much they cost are a lot of the things that were the opposite that you got paid high for, the things that take a lot of thinking, a lot of research, a lot of reading, a lot of acquired knowledge over it. Like those ones are the ones that you used to get paid really big

or you do currently right now, that they think that that is going to really get reduced. So I read an article exactly on that and it was a very interesting article because one of the barriers for the average person when it comes to like lawsuits

and you know, the law working for you is money and time. Like if you're a, you know,. Like if you're a single mom, you get ripped off, something happens. Like you don't got the time to find a lawyer, pay a lawyer to defend you, or help you in a particular case. It just doesn't work.

So although the law system that we have here in the West is the best that's ever existed, it's still flawed. Like if you're wealthy, you have access to a lot of help. If you're not wealthy, at best you have somebody paid by the state or your city and or you don't do it at all, because it's just too expensive.

Like I know people who've had to not pursue things, because they don't even have the money to even consider doing this. But with AI, this article I read is predicting a... So, ultimate sleuth. It's gonna go through everything so much faster and more efficient than, because that's the thing about why you have such expensive

lawyers, is like you get multiple teams of lawyers and they're all collectively bringing in examples and case points and other laws that were written in other states and whatnot to be able to build your case. Now you got something that can build your case like that much more. I mean, think about it. You know, you get ripped off or something happens.

A company does it something shady or shitty, right? Talk about checks and balances in the free market. Average person will be like, boop, this happened. Boop, boop, boop, it's gonna pop up. Here's your lawsuit, we're gonna take it here, here's your case, here's what's gonna happen. You have a 62.8% chance of winning or losing or whatever,

and it's done, and it costs you nothing. It's gonna be pretty remarkable. And then to that point, think about taxes. A lot of people don't realize this, but the more successful you become, the more you realize why the tax code is so insanely almost impossible to understand. It's literally, part of it is it's literally designed for wealthy people. So they talk about, we're going to tax the rich, we're going to, not really, what they

do is they make it complicated. There's always a very complicated way of tax, you know, figuring out how to not pay taxes or do this or do that. Only if you're really rich and you have the money to do this stuff, can you handle that stuff. But usually it's the middle class or lower that get hammered. Well, tax law, one of the most complicated forms of law out there, think about that. Here's how much I made.

Here's what's going on. AI's going to know exactly how to maximize. Yeah, maximize every single write-off. For everybody. Or you get audited. You know, you go freak out when they get audited and they just like, they don't know how to maximize. Maximize every single ride off. For every single everything. Or you get audited. You know, you go freak out when they get audited and they just like, they don't know what to do. They just pay whatever the IRS does, not anymore.

Now it's like, oh, let's challenge that. It's gonna be pretty crazy when it comes to that kind of stuff. Crazy disruptive. Yeah, like that guy leaving, that's to me, I just, I can't get over that. I mean, yes, okay. But you can think of anything that, and then obviously taking it all the way

about to fire is crazy. But anything can be wielded for bad things and could be dangerous, right? And especially when we have anything that's like this massive. I mean, I'm sure there was people that thought the same thing too, like when we started moving towards the internet, right? There's gonna always be somebody who's involved

in creating something that was, the intentions were pure and good. Then they see how powerful it is and they recognize, oh my god, this can be used for evil. And then they just step out and go like, listen, I don't, I don't want any part of this. Like this is this is going to do damage. But what example can you give me of something that like that is as powerful as the internet as fire as weaponry as these things that don't also can potentially harm some Well, I guess my my sort of Thought is that like if I was responsible for something that had both Duality of that of like being the most

Positive and negative. I would want to stay there if I saw the negative to be able to combat Is it yeah, especially if I was like engineering it and I had my hands on the pulse of where it could go wrong. There's three examples I can think of in history where the person involved then later was like, what did I do? One of them, and this person wasn't the inventor, but they were part of this kind of revolution was the Winchester family. Yeah, they invented the repeating rifle and the wife of Winchester thought she would be haunted by the spirits of the rifle. How many people this rifle killed, right?

The inventor of dynamite, some of the initial scientists that understood nuclear. Oh, the man had in the project. And the project, yeah. Right, the machine gun. The machine gun, when that was first invented and used in World War I, people thought this could potentially end the world. Now to be fair, we'd never seen mass casualties

like we saw when the machine gun was invented or nukes, I mean, that's a real threat, like that's a legit threat. AI put all that stuff multiplied times a million, the potential of AI is like, it's far beyond that, for both directions. I was gonna say, for both directions. For both directions. For good also. Yeah, pretend, I mean, that stuff multiplied times a million, the potential of AI is like, it's far beyond that, for both directions. I was gonna say, for both directions.

For both directions. For good also. Yeah, potential, I mean, who not potential, it's always about potential. I mean, who are we just talking to that was in studio with us about the testing for medical and stuff like that, that's gonna be the thing that's gonna be so crazy,

is you're gonna be able to not, you're gonna be able to take a human liver, a human organ, and then be able to not, you're gonna be able to take a, like a, you know, human liver, a human organ and then be able to put these drugs through it ethically because it's like, yeah, if you grew the organs outside the person, yeah, you're not affecting the person. And then use AI to run, you know, test it for test, test it, test it, test, you know, a thousand million times, whatever you need it to do in order to get the perfect outcome, the speed at which we're gonna to be able to do that. We're going to need, you won't even need real world studies.

It'll all be in silica. Right. Yeah, where it's all done through the model. Yeah. So you won't even be able to predict. I'm not even. I'm not even. So when you think like that, I mean, we could go down the, you know, negative side, but

then the, I mean, this could, we could, you know, negative side, but then the, I mean, this could, we could all be living in the time where we figure out cancer. I mean, if there was ever a time that you felt confident in the ability to do that as as crazy and unique and hard to figure out as cancer is, I mean, something like AI with the ability to go with. The reason why this is scary, I think, I always, I always, the unknown is scary, right? So no matter what that's always here. But I think The reason why this is scary, I think. I think. I always the unknown is scary, right? So no matter what, that's always scary. I think the reason why this is scary, in my opinion,

I think you could boil it down to two things. One is we know human nature. Okay. So with the internet, right? Potential for amazing good. Where does the vast majority of investment and money go into the internet, right? Pornography, like porn sites,

is where all the, that's where all the innovations initially start with. And that's just human nature. So that's one. So human nature we know is super flawed. Then the second one, this is the one that I think really scares people is, we were, we could potentially

no longer be the driver. So forget human nature. If this becomes the driver itself of its own innovation, its own progress, its own, whatever. So it's not even human conscious, like effort put into it anymore, so it's just machine. Yeah, so lack of morality,

but is that a good or bad thing? Is it pure objectiveism, but is that a good or bad thing? What's gonna drive it? We don't know. That I think is a big scare, is we don't know what that means and where it will wanna go, or what it's gonna wanna do,

because it's already showing signs of learning its own stuff. They have AI models right now that have acquired skills that it wasn't told to acquire. Nobody prompted it to acquire these skills. It did on its own because it wanted to learn some of these skills. It's kind of weird. It's kind of like sitting here with popcorn, dude. So what I can do. Hey, you brought, I think Justin, you brought up the,

not the PTSD, but the... Oh, PTSD, you said. Yeah, it was fascinating. I love really like this term. I think it was Dr. Alman. He's a psychologist, was talking about it. And when they do like these CT scans for the brain, they notice patterns for trauma.

It's like a diamond shape, like within the brain where it lights up. And you notice that there's like, there's a completely different type of person that didn't really have like a term for that. So, something that was greatly affected by PTSD, obviously, it's a pretty negative result. And it's something that like you got to go through a lot of like therapy and work your way through and face and it's something that like you got to go through a lot of therapy and work your way through and face and it's a really challenging thing. And some people actually respond completely the opposite and use that as sort of a launch pad for this insane amount of growth and use it in a positive direction. And so he was just noticing, you know, there are like sort of anomalies out there.

We'll actually use like a real traumatic experience like to usher in this like insane growth. Well, I don't think it's anomalies. I think that so it's a mindset. Yeah, so from my understanding, first off post traumatic stress disorder has been labeled as bad because it can be dysfunctional in normal, I guess, life.

But the reality is it's an adaptation. So if you develop this adaptation process to protect you, so if you run and hide, whenever you hear a loud noise, one point that kept you alive, or if you disconnect from what's happening, at one point that was, that kept you alive, right? Or if you disconnect from what's happening, at one point that's what caused you to survive. So they're all adaptations. The problem is when that threat is gone, you still have this process, and that's when it becomes dysfunctional.

But PTG post-traumatic growth is a person's ability to use that trauma and then grow from it and become a better different person. I think a lot of people have the ability to do that. If you look at people, you look at people who are successful and I mean, Adam, you talk about this all the time. You went through a lot of shit as a kid and you attribute your success to a lot of stuff you went through.

Well, I would make that's PTG. I mean, I would make the case that we're all potentially capable of doing that. How easy is that for each person individually? I think that varies dramatically. What I think is most interesting about this is, if we can now measure that and see that, then maybe we can begin to unpack the people

that do have success with it and the commonalities that they have success with it and the commonalities that they have. Everything from personality to behavior to habits, what are some of the things that these people that take something that would be PTSD for somebody and turn it into PTG for themselves? What are all these things that they check and find those things in common?

So that maybe we can start to either one, before people even have the traumatic things start to train them in a way. So that directs that. Train up for that. If you know you're going into a situation, say you're going to war or something like that, like, hey, I'm gonna put these papers in.

It reminds me of the East Oasis on a level, right? Right. In terms of having that thought of like, what's the worst case scenario? And then like, building yourself up to, yeah, being able to handle it and you know, properly, you know, steer from there. Yeah, because I've been reading a lot about this,

you know, I talked about, I did EMDR which was originally designed for PTSD. Oh, when did you do that again, by the way? Oh, tomorrow. Oh, tomorrow you'll get it again tomorrow. So, the successful treatments for PTSD, like the most successful so far with studies, is like EMDR seems to be very successful psychedelic.

Research is showing like crazy success. And they're saying the reason why it's successful is in order to grow from PTSD or traumatic events, you have to be able to feel safe and comfortable enough to take the wall down, that's protecting it. And that is not easy. If it's become a part of who you are, just being able to even face it to the point where you feel it is hard enough.

This is why people go to years of therapy and get no result because they're still not ready. They're afraid or whatever. Psychedelics alter the brain according to what these studies show, enough to where the person feels safe enough to face this truth or reality, see what's going on so they can process it. EMDR, I think that's how it works as well, is that through this physical sensations, it tells the brain that you're safe and calm, then you're allowed to go in and feel and see what's going on, then you can process it and kind of move through it.

So that is probably, from what I'm reading, is one of the main reasons why some people can grow and some people can't. It's like the people who can grow are like, well, there's a bunch of fire right there. I'm gonna walk through, it's gonna burn the shit out of me, but the only way to get to the other side is I have to walk through the fire.

Now, a lot of people don't even know there's a fire. They don't even know there's a fire. And then some people feel the heat and they turn around. I don't wanna get burned. So that seems to be what's the challenge. What are, not that it totally matters, but just at a curiosity. What are the credentials of the person

who's doing the EMDR with you? Are they psychologists or were they? Yeah, so you have to be licensed. Oh, so you do have to be licensed? Yeah, I can't just. No, dude, so as the way she explained it to me, she said, if you don't use this right, and you go to, so she did it when she was,

when she was a student, she actually got EMDR for herself. And she said that the person who did it with her wasn't super well trained. He was licensed, but he wasn't super well trained. And he didn't screen her well enough and she went a little too hard. Too deep, too fast. Yeah. And she said she wasn't right for like two or three weeks.

Which is so interesting that you say that because that's a very similar experience you hear from some people that have really bad psilocybin trips. Yes. You have some people that talk about all my PTSD. You have all these people that touted as like, oh my god, it was the most amazing thing ever, or like the or Iohaska, you hear this too sometimes, where people say it was just like life changing

and then they tell somebody else to do it. And then somebody else who may not be quite ready for that experience yet has it. And then they have a traumatic experience where it's like, that was the worst thing I'd ever did. So, sounds very similar. Like if you're not ready to go that deep that way. There's a reason why your brain and your body's protecting you.

Right, right, right. There's a reason for it. Sure. So, you take somebody who saw his friend explode right next to him, or they did something terrible themselves, and they're not ready, and you make them face it by giving them a high-ass dose of psychedelics. You're just gonna be in there again.

You're gonna strengthen the penis, it's gonna terrorize you. You can just make it worse, right? Yeah. So did you, have you asked her, it's a, I assume it was a girl, I guess. Okay, so have you asked her if she's paired it ever with psilocybin or what her thoughts are on that?

She does not, although she does, here in San Jose, there is licensed medical professionals at ketamine therapy. But it's not, see, here's the thing, when you look at the research on this, they're not giving people party doses of the pro. No, no, it's very mild. Yeah. I mean, I even talked about the breakthrough that could change. That's what people are so misted.

We were, we didn't have no freaking, you know, heroic heroic or huge. It was like, it was a very small dose. It was a little bit bigger than a micro dose, but it wasn't even a full what someone would consider a full dose. It didn't take much. It just takes enough to be like, I don't know, out of your own regular thoughts. Just enough, yeah, just enough.

To break through like that. So, and then I can't imagine that, like that was on our own, just having conversation. Imagine if you have it guided by a professional who knows what they're doing. Yeah, so for my understanding, the ketamine therapy, it's in San Jose, it's legal. I guess they do, they give you the ketamine,

you meet with a therapist, then you go home, you do it, make sure you have someone there to supervise, and then you journal, and then you meet with a therapist again. So you write about, oh, so you actually do it on your own? You do it on your own. Oh, interesting. And you write about it. Oh, so you actually do it on your own? You do it on your own. Oh, interesting.

And you write about like whatever, you know, I guess they prep you and you know what you're gonna think about or talk about or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Then you do it, then you think about whatever it is you're processing, then you journal and then you go back and meet with them again. And this is, and it's, again, it's legal,

medically supervised type of deal, which is the only way I would ever tell any of you. Oh, yeah. You're dealing with trauma. You need to make sure, like I did it, the EMDR, not the ketamine, and, you know, in, you know, Jessica said this, because she knows me well. She goes, you're the kind of person that, when you're going to do something, you tend to just go all in. And that's what happened. That's, you know, I did EMDR. I was finally ready. All right. Let's do this. And I went, boom, I fell into this root, deep thing that I have. And I didn't feel, I just yesterday started to feel kind of like back to my old self.

I could tell. Oh wow, so it literally, because that's been over a week now, too much now. No, it's been about a week and a half. OK, we can have. Yeah, I felt like not myself for a little while there. I can't wait to hear what they say. Because I went hard.

So, okay, now on this upcoming session, do you pick up where you left off? Do you revisit the same thing? Do you move on? Yeah, I think she said we're going to revisit kind of similar stuff and then keep going into that. But the first one I did, she goes, do you want to do something specific? Or do you want to just see what comes up? And so, like, I'm like, let's see what comes up.

And of course, what comes up is I can do it. Now it's specific. Yeah, and I'm sitting there, and I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, look, if I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna sit there, I'm like, let's, then I'm ready to do it. Otherwise, I'm not gonna do it, right? Why am I gonna do this?

So I just let myself go, and I just like, you know, did, like I said, like I said on a previous podcast, it's like a chain. This led to that, that, that, that, and this real deep thing that I don't realize everything was connected or whatever. Now, were you, did you find yourself communicating with her and then like then that led to you breaking down or were you just sitting in your thoughts

and then I'll set and broke down? No. It's like you have something come up and you talk about it a little bit. Then you go into it with the EMDR process. So you were taught you're talking. Yeah, but then you stop. And then you think, and then she gives you time,

and then you talk, and then you think, and you give us some time. And you go in and. Can you recall if you broke down in your thoughts or you broke down communicating something? Oh, no, no, no, no. It was, I had the feeling before I had the words. That's what I mean.

So you were in your thoughts. So you were just like thinking in, feeling in, almost probably being in the moment, and then that made you emotional. Yeah, and it wasn't even the, because I'm thinking and speaking comes easy to me. That's like I can talk about anything that happened. Feeling is hard, that's the hard part, right?

So before the words and the thoughts happen, it was the feeling. And then I had the words to say, oh, well, this is just what fucking happened, and this is embarrassing. And okay, whatever. Wow. Yeah, really cool.

This is super interesting. Yeah, really cool stuff. So, do you feel like something shifted so that time? Okay. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, that's what I'm most curious about as you go through each process, if you feel like something shifted so that time? Okay. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, that's what I'm most curious about as you go through each process, if you feel like you make these,

because here's the one thing that's cool is I think that when we've talked about this before, all of us are very growth-minded, we're always kind of pursuing bettering ourselves anyways. So it's not like we're like been stuck in this, that in a place for a long time. So it'll be interesting to see how you would quantify the growth, like, it

is exponentially faster than any, like, we talk about the podcasts, right? That was, I think the podcast was actually one of the, well, this is an incubator for sure. Right. This, this, this, this, one of my favorite parts about this business is, I want to force this talk. Was the, the speed at which I've always been a growth-minded person, but the speed at which I felt the growth come on

because you have to hear your own bullshit, right? And so it forces you to do that. It's one thing to say something out loud to people, and then you're on to the next thought, you think about where this shit's recorded. So not only do I potentially hear it again, but then I also get feedback of other people. You eat yours and then a meat feed back

from two other assholes. Yeah, it's crazy. You know what's funny is I actually think of what part of the podcast phenomenon of like everybody having one now, doing it. It's fucking therapy. Yes, it is.

I know several people that like, like, cast is dude, are like no traction still on their podcast, still doing it, but I think it's what it is, is like, and you hear that I'll tune in because their friends or family and stuff that I know,

and I'm listening to them and I'm like, dude, they're just talking to themselves. They're like working through their shit right now. They think they're helping, you know, five people out there listening, but it's really they're, they're, they're, they're actually, it's sneaky because you're like, hey, bro, show up to a therapy session. No, yeah, you want to do a podcast where you're going to tell people how to be a better person. Absolutely. Yeah, I could do that. I mean, you're like, let's get into it. Yeah.

Yeah. Bro, it sounds like you're doing therapy, but you keep doing that and see what happens. That's totally right. No, it's, my motivation is stronger than it's ever been for growth because I'm a father. So, you know, before I like growth, I value it, I wanna be a better person. Those are all motivating, but nothing has motivated me like,

you know, I have all these kids, and I just wanna be a good dad. Sure. So, I'm gonna go through the shit. Like, and I'll come out of it, you know, however I do, just to be a good dad. Sure. So I'm going to go through the shit. Like, and I'll come out of it, however I do, just to be a better dad. But you know what it reminds me of? It's literally like, you know, here comes the fitness conversion, but you'll work out. Like you have a good workout and your performance declines for a few days.

You're a little sore. You're a little stiff. Your body has to heal, adapt, and become stronger. That's what it felt like. For a week, I wasn't the same. I had did some breakdown. I was sore. I had to allow the adaptations happen. Yesterday, I woke up and I felt like, oh shit, like I feel not only like myself, but like a better version of myself. I was from one freaking city. Yeah, as well. No, I can't wait. I can't wait. Remember, um, uh, Shaline, am I saying the name right, Shaline?

Yeah. Yeah, she talked about it. Remember she said it was groundbreaking for me. Oh, she did, too. I couldn't remember. Yeah, so when we interviewed her, she said, oh, I did this thing called EMDR and whatever. And whenever, when I heard her say that,

that's when you, that's actually when you brought it up for the first time. You actually said, like, I just did that. Yeah. Or yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to be doing it. Yeah, that's right. You know, speaking of growth, uh, of growth, it's been a while.

Every once in a while we share some of the behind the scenes investments and things that we have in companies like we started angel investing what two or two and a half years ago. And I just got the quarterly report on element T dude. Element is crushing right now. So that's been cool to see. And really tough time to do that, right? I mean, I look back and, you know, when people ask me about it, I'm like,

yeah, we probably time the angel investing with the worst time ever to do it. And the valuation of the most inflated valuations. Yeah, so like, you know, we've been kind of weathering the storm the last year and a half of like all these companies that we invested in, but I mean, the positive side is, if you have a company like Element

that is actually growing, quarter over quarter, year over year in a time right now when valuations were overly inflated and it was everybody was spending and growing, like pretty exciting. Here's why they're crushing so much. I'll be 100% honest. First I'll tell you the value, but I'm gonna tell you why they're crushing so much. I'll be 100% honest. First I'll tell you the value,

but I'm gonna tell you why they're crushing. Tell us. The value is because no electrolyte, electrolytes have been in the market forever. We've known their value forever. By the way, symptoms of electrolyte balance include like brain fog, like mild headaches, of course muscle cramps, weakness, you know, poor performance,

constipation or gut, you know, digestive issues. Like a lot of things that people suffer from and they don't realize that they're like, they're like they're not related to that. Yeah, they don't know that their electrolytes are imbalanced. It's usually sodium, they usually need, if they're an athlete especially and they don't need heavily processed food, they probably need more sodium. Well, the value of element is that they actually have the right amount of sodium.

No electrolyte powder company has the right amount of sodium because we've been fear-monger to death about sodium. Everybody's afraid to put the right amount of sodium in it. And they've leaned completely into just making it taste good for the consumer so they cut and reduce substantially the amount of sodium that's like an effective dose. Well, here's why, here's the other half

you're just touching on. Element, here's why it crushes. There are three, we know there's three things that make something palatable, okay? Salt, sugar, and fat. That combination of those types of flavors and experiences are what make things palatable. It's why hyper-palatable process food is so processed as they can take those and they can engineer things to be so irresistible that it's ridiculous. Well, here you have a sugar-free powder,

which, look, sweeteners, artificial or natural, they use natural, they use stevia. It's not as good as sugar for most people, but it's sweet, sweet enough. But when you taste something with, let's be honest, you taste something with stevia, you know it's not sugar or you know, as per tame, you know it's not sugar. Again, they use stevia.

So you know it's not sugar. However, you add a nice dosa sodium to that. Yeah. It tastes illa good. So now that's why they're crushing. It tastes super good because the sodium, which is appropriate, also simultaneously makes it like taste. So literally if you add it to your water,

it tastes like a flavored drink, but it's not. It's got stevia, there's no calories in it whatsoever. It's the sodium. You know they have a flavorous flavor now. Do you know that? It's just sodium. I've had that. Oh, you tried it?

I have. Oh, I haven't tried it yet. Oh, really?? I have. Oh, I haven't tried it yet. Oh, really? You've got the flavors. I haven't tried it yet. You know, sodium adds a mouth feel to it and there's an experience. But without the sweet, it just tastes salty. I mean, I've mixed it with the pre-workout, which is, I don't know if you've done that yet.

Oh, there you go. Yeah, yeah. If you throw it all in, it's not that flavor. I'll take like legions, green apple, and then I'll mix it. Oh, that probably makes it delicious. It does. because the sodium Ascalate ability. Wow. What a great idea. Yes. Well, I mean, I told you that I've I've had I'm now I'm taking two packets because the muscle Cranbs and stuff that I've been dealing with. Oh, yeah, and so you know originally and I think I think it definitely is you know the diet

I've I haven't been eating at home and that this clean. I've been eating, we talked about this before, I used to, by eating out, I was eating like the, you know, Nick degree can poke balls, but those are loaded full, so even though they're healthy choices, they're loaded full of sodium, and a lot of that has come out of my diet, and it's mostly foods that we make from home, and so I didn't realize how low I could potentially be,

so now I'm doing two, like I try and do one in the morning when we're working in here, and then before I work out, I'll mix with like a pre-workout beforehand and actually really like it. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. I got a shout out. It's called home and on the way. This is Montessori, peaceful parenting, and attachment. It's a really nice page. It's a mom of two in a month to story guide, talks about raising kids and what it's like and a lot of stuff. Really, really good stuff. In fact, you just did a post that showed that 98% of occupations, 98% of occupations are more stressful,

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oh man, that's way easier. I'd rather do that than my hard-ass job. Never. Never met a man who's ever gone to that. Which is kind of crazy. We've gotten away from, I mean, celebrating stay at home's moms. I'd like to bring that back because I think that, I think there is no, I don't think there's many jobs

that are more challenging. And I definitely think there's, what's more valuable? There's nothing more important. Yeah. When you are raising the next generation, years, zero through 10 they've already said are the most important years of the development of a child's brain into adulthood. And so what could be more important than the mom

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It's kind of like the Katrina and I always talk about how we wanted to have always flipped the marble jar sexting on a set. And we absolutely have done that, which is the, if you were to put a marble in for every time you had sex before being married, that after marriage, like, you'll never be able to get it out. That our sex volume is way higher today than ever. Bro, just follow the Italian model with kids.

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hunter-dakers and then the not chose their own house. You would do that right. I would do that. Uh, I know, but I want a self-sufficient kid. I don't want to raise a big your own house to deal with. You know what I'm saying? They don't buy it then. I don't know. I think we should go full righteous gemstones. Yes. Yes. Right. Our kids houses next door. Yeah, family. I think we should go full righteous gemstones. Yes, yes, right. Our kids house is next door. Yeah, family, life is next door.

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Hi Lexi, how you doing? How can we help you? I'm great, how are you? Good, thank you. Okay, hi, I wanted to thank you all for everything you'll do. It is not going to appreciate it. You got it. So I've been listening to you all for about two years

and I've almost listened to everything I've said. And when I was 13, I was diagnosed with anorexia and I'm now recovered and in 13, I was diagnosed with anorexia. And I'm now recovered. And in 2020, I started running. And now I run about six to seven miles, six days a week. And I strength train for about an hour and a half, five days a week. And I average around 25,000 steps, 4, 11, around 100 pounds,

and eat around 22 hundred calories, and I've never gotten a period, and I recently, um, just got lab work, founding, finding out I have low estrogen and testosterone, and as well, severe naming out with the hemoglobin of 7.7. So, I was wondering if you all had any, I feel a little lost, So I was wondering if you'll have any, I feel a little lost and I was wondering, if you'll have any guidance. Yeah, I have a feeling you're gonna know we're gonna say to you too.

Lexi, first off, thanks for coming on and I appreciate you sharing your diagnosis and kind of what you're doing and coming on. I really appreciate that. And I appreciate you saying you're lost, but I'm gonna tell you how I feel over here based off of what you just said, and some of the numbers you gave me.

This is, it's very clear what the answer is. I don't feel lost at all. Now, sometimes when people present some of the stuff that you said to me, like, you know, I haven't got my period, you know, hormone levels are off, sometimes I feel a little lost because it's hard for me to kind of figure out

what's going on and we have to kind of look at what they're doing and change a few things, see how their body responds. But every once in a while, it's very clear kind of what's going on. Okay. So first thing I want to say, Lexi is exercise tends to be abused by people who are recovering with body dysmorphia type issues. So people who are recovering from anorexia or bulimia or orthorexia

or what's been nicknamed bigorexia, right? This is like people that feel like they're too skinny and just wanna build a lot of muscle this might have been what I had. We tend to get into exercise and then the exercise starts to become how we kind of abuse ourselves, okay? So it becomes a little more sneaky.

The connection to, you know, not eating, is still there, it's just now shifted and morphed into beating yourself up with exercise or trying to burn everything off, or distract yourself. It could typically be one of those things. Running of all the forms of exercise is the most likely to be abused by somebody

who had anorexia or bulimia. The nature of running, the persistent tolerance of the pain, the distraction, they're just going for it, and just weathering the storm type of deal. For whatever reason, seems to pair well with people who are recovering from things like anorexia and bulimia. Based off of what you're telling me, it's very, very clear that you are way overtraining

and way under eating. Okay. So, what we need to do is reverse out of what you're doing. Now, I want to ask you, Lexi, if when I say we're going to really reduce your exercise activity and we're going to increase your caloric intake or the types of foods you eat because we're also going to focus on some nutrient-stense foods due to the hemoglobin levels. When I say that to you, what's your visceral reaction? How does your body feel when I say, we're going to start working out way less and start eating

more? The thought sounds great, but I think it's easier said than done. Yeah, what's the feeling in your body? When I say that, what's your visceral reaction? I think my body would react very well, but I'm careful. Yeah, okay, so you feel the fear in your body right now while I'm talking about it. Like, uh-oh, I don't know if I want to do that. The feeling of it, right? You can logically think this is a good idea, but the feeling of it doesn't feel too good, kind of feel scary. Right.

Okay. That feeling is going to stick with you while you do what I'm about to tell you. So you're going to have to ignore those feelings of fear because if you don't, then you're going to go back to what you're doing now. So we need to dramatically cut down your running. In fact, and I don't know if this is too much at once, and I don't mean it physically, I mean mentally. If you were my client and I knew you would do whatever I tell you, I would immediately have you stop running. Completely. Completely. No more running. You can keep

doing your steps, keep walking. I would do no running. I would take your five days a week of strength training for an hour and a half, and I would have you do two to three days a week of full body training. I would have you do MAPS and a ballerick. For diet, I would have you focus on nutrient-dense animal sources of protein like red meat. Red meat and eggs would be the primary sources that I would have you focus on. If you do what I'm saying, I would not be surprised if your period came back

quickly within 30 to 90 days. And those numbers start to change shortly thereafter. So that's what I would love for you to do. Now if that sounds like it's too much, then what you would do is you would cut back on, as much running as you feel like you can consistently tolerate. Well, the goal would be what you would do is you would cut back on as much running as you feel like you can consistently tolerate. Well, the goal would be what you just said. So if that's, if that's really scary to do that, you still, you would want to head towards that direction. You just want to do it incrementally.

If you can't do that, but that would be ideal. Yeah. I mean, literally if you just stop running right now and just went and did lifting full, you know, full body, maps, metabolic style, and, you know, made sure to eat good protein and nutrient dense animal sources of protein. Your body would react in a very positive way, but the mental psychological aspect is gonna be the big challenge. Right, okay, thank you so much.

Are you working with anybody like a therapist or someone through this process? We're looking, it's kind of hard to find someone good in the area. Today I went to a natural nature path and they gave me some medicine to take like I was low on zinc too. And they gave me a few other. Yeah, I would like to let's get you in the forum. So I'd like you have some support. Doug to give you some access to the forum. So you have access to us as you go through this.

So if you go and come up with any challenges or have any questions, we can be there to help support. And then if you don't have MAP Santa Ballac already, Doug will also send you MAP Santa Ballac. Do you have that yet? I do not. Well, if you don't have MAPS and a ball already, Doug will also send you MAPS and a ball. Do you have that yet? I do not. Well, thank you so much. Yeah, we're going to send that to you. And so this is going to be a tough process. I really recommend you work with not you look at an atropathic medicine specialist or functional medicine practitioner is great. But I think you should work with someone who's going to help you deal with the psychological

challenge of removing what is right now your drug, which is exercise and just kind of distracting yourself or beating yourself up. Because when you remove that, whatever those feelings are that you're either avoiding or, you know, blunting are going to come up in a big way and it's going to feel kind of challenging. But I will say this, Lexi, on the other end of this, if you do this, you're gonna come out so, just so much better off across the board. Like you're gonna feel amazing physically,

mentally you're gonna feel so strong and balanced. Everything's gonna come right to you, you're young and your body's in response so well to what I'm saying, but the attachment from this relationship is gonna be kinda, it's like breaking up with a toxic boyfriend. It's like you know you need to do it, but when you do it, you still gotta break up with them

and you're like, oh, I'm lonely, what do I do now, type of deal. So it's gonna be a tough, a bit of a tough road ahead. Let me ask you a question, Lexi. Is anything that I'm saying right now surprising or did you think like deep down, like that's probably what I need to do? Yeah, no, I knew.

Yeah, she's been listening to show for a long time. Why, what's prevented you? Is it just the fear of doing those things, of cutting those things out? Yeah, yeah. That's tough. Do you have any friends or anything, of cutting those things out. Yeah, yeah. That's tough. Do you have any friends or anybody that you work out with that's doing this with you?

No. Okay. You have us. You have us, no. You're in the form right now, and I would love to hear from you. I wanna add one thing too, to the thing, all the advice that we're giving right now.

When you get Maps at a ball, there's going to be a temptation from you to want to go through it like a circuit to just keep on moving and pushing yourself, pushing yourself. Do the rest periods. I want three minute rest periods from you, long rest periods. And all I want you to think about is getting to a place where you can just get stronger and stronger, trying to add weight to the bar. So your goal from these workouts is to get stronger, to be able to lift more weight, not sweat really hard, burn lots,

and get through the workout as fast as you possibly can. Take your time through it, give yourself long rest periods, try and add weight to the bar, week over week. That's the way you want to focus to this program. Between that and focusing on the meat and eggs like Sal saying. I actually don't think you're going to need to boost your calories too much right now.

If you just focus on those foods, 22 hundred calories for a four foot 11 girl, it's around a hundred pounds, it's not bad calories at all. I think you're just, we're burning way too much. Yeah, you're depleting the hell out of your body with the amount of running and training. Yeah, you're just, I mean, but just simply by shifting the choices of food, I think you suggested, which is perfect with eliminating the running and cutting back from six days

to three days of lifting. I think the calories aren't too bad, actually. I think you're going to be okay. Now, ultimately, we try and get up, but that's not a bad place. No, you'll build strength, you'll build muscle, your body will start to feel more solid. But, you know, let me ask you this, if you don't mind answering this, and you don't have to answer this if you don't want to.

Was the anorexia tied to body dysmorphia or was it a control thing for you? I think it was a mix of both, but mainly control. Okay, so I'm glad I asked. Okay, so here's what I want you to do. We're gonna use that to our benefit now until you start to work with a therapist who can really work with you deeper on that.

When you feel the urge to run or work out or beat yourself up in the gym, is there something you can do that is an alternate, something you can replace it with. So like, okay, instead of running, what do I do now? I want to do something else. Some people do journaling. Other people will, you know, listen to a book or read a book that is uplifting. Other people will do something restorative, like Yin yoga, not power yoga, not the kind of yoga where you're like beating yourself up. I got to say that because that's what people tend to do.

But like the slow, breathing, meditative type yoga is another option. Is there something that you can think of right now that you might be able to switch to that other thing that's maybe a healthier option for you mentally? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Okay. Do you know what that is? Would you mind naming that or is that you want to keep that to yourself?

Yeah. I've started a little small business of baking healthy dessert. So maybe just focus on that. Hey, I like that. Here's a thing with people that have issues with control. Although it can go in a bad way, if you learn how to harness it, you're going to be kickass in a lot of areas of your life, including business. Most entrepreneurs struggle with this. In fact, this is why

Adam will say one of the biggest hurdles for entrepreneurs is figuring this out because then they get to a certain point and they can't control everything and then they got to move out of it. But initially, you can harness this and really become kick ass. So I think that's a good idea. When you get the urge to go run, go beat yourself up, focus on your business. That might be a good strategy. I like it. All right. Thank you all so much. Thanks, Lexi. Let us know how it goes in the form, okay? Okay. Thank you for everything. No problem. Hey, man, I hear stuff like that makes me so but I hope she takes the advice because her body is gonna and she's gonna respond at her age.

She's her body is in response so well to what you know what we told her but what's happening for people listening is she's she's literally beating herself up and depleting her body with the amount of exercise that she's doing. Her calories and nutrients aren't enough to match that activity, but it's more than that. Even if she were eating enough, it's just too much on her body. The stress is so high that her body does not want to have a period. The hormones are reflecting that, and the nutrient levels are depleted because she's sucking nutrients out of her body to try to repair all the damage.

Yeah, it's always interesting to see kind of how that shifts into a different form and it can be sneaky like that. Like it's, especially in health and fitness, it's like we wanna pursue things that benefit our body and so it becomes like an obsession of getting healthy, but then we sort of overdo it in that direction. I actually think that she's gonna see incredible results just by simply cutting out the running

and reducing the weight you're having. That alone will do it. Because I mean, she's 95 pounds, 411. 2200 calories is not a bad calorie intake. So she's just tipping the scale over it. She's just overtraining. She's just overtraining right now. she's just overtraining right now. She's not, what's harder is when someone is grossly overtraining

and grossly under-eating and she's not. I mean, she's under-eating for her activity and nutrients, obviously. And the reason why I said focus on nutrient dense foods is more to replace what's not been, that's gone. She has to eat more now to make up the difference and then get to a level of balance. But I mean, you cut out, I mean, six days of running completely and you were... 67 miles a day. Yeah, and you reduced that and then all of a sudden, 2,200 calories is actually probably feeding the body pretty well.

So I think that's going to make a huge difference so long as she falls. I mean, she knew. She said she listened to every episode. So you know she knew. She needed to hear it. Yeah, I think that's what happens a lot of times when we get these questions like this. so long as she falls. I mean, she knew. She said she listened every episode. So you know she knew. She needed to hear it. Yeah, I think that's what happens a lot of times when we get these questions like this. I think people know the answer. I think they just want to hear.

Well, when they call in, what happens is they're ready to hear what they know. They just need that one last, you know, a post or whatever. Our next caller is Rebecca from Tennessee. Hi, Rebecca. How you doing? Hello.

Good. Thank you so much for you doing? Hello. Good. Thank you so much for talking with me today. I wish I had the knowledge I've gotten from listening to y'all 10 years ago when I was wainer and had a better metabolism, but I appreciate it. No problem. How can we help you? Okay. Two part question.

I have heard, if you were in your 40ss you should no longer do hit or high intensity cardio. The source states that increases your stress level and in turn increases your cortisol. But... You don't want it at the time? Okay. Yes. Alright, so, okay, so that's a very general statement that can be true or not true. At first I have to be clear. All exercise is a stress on the

body. All exercise raises cortisol. Okay. It's a stress response. The reason why you get stronger and more fit is your body adapts so that that same stress no longer becomes a stress. That's why you have to add weight to the bar or make it work out harder ad reps to keep progressing. Now, high intensity interval training can be an inappropriate or appropriate depending on the individual. It's really has less to do with age and more to do with the individual. There is a reason though that we made that program so late as we did. It's the most abused form of exercise by four. You shouldn't live in it anyways. So it's a very short program. So it's something you kind of weave in

with your strength training as well, but strength training is definitely going to be the hub of your focus. It's rarely ever a program that we recommend. Think about all the times we've answered about question. It's rarely ever do we get somebody on here and we're talking to them like, you know what you need?

You need some more hit in your life. That's it's rare. It's just, it's a tool. It can be used, but it's rarely, it's rarely one of those ones that we think that most people should be doing most of the time. I'll tell you where most of the value of hit comes from. Okay, hits value comes from its improvement

in VO2 max performance. That's most of its value. The way that hit is used for the most part is to try and burn as many calories as possible. So in that case, it's got some value for a very short period of time. And then after that, it's really not that valuable anymore. So let me ask you a question, Rebecca. What are your goals?

Why are you doing hit? Like, what is it that you're looking for? Well, I've actually taken it out of my routine and just started walking more. I used to be a circuit person and did more of it, but lightly I've kind of decreased that a lot. I may do sprints every once in a while just to make sure I can still do it, but I've really taken it out as a light. Were you an athlete in college? No. Okay. What are your goals in the movie? Okay, let me do part two questions about that. Okay. Okay. My husband has great genetics. He is 53 and eats whatever he wants. He probably doesn't even get 100 grams

of protein a day. He is very muscular and looks better than most men, half his age. He gets comments whenever we go in public and from our friends. I'm not jealous of him. Slightly jealous of eating whatever you want. I work out, I eat healthy, I've been consistently working out for over 20 years. So we've been married 23. We've gone to the gym consistently, full time. I have a degree in nutrition. I would just like to look like the work I put in.

All right, so this is actually connected to the first. What do I do? Well, first off, you're, you know, as far as someone else having genetics that a lot, I mean, that's just the real world. I mean, you know, you know, atoms two, you know, three inches taller than me. Can't do anything about it, but I have more her than he does. Can't do anything about that. And so there's people like that. So it went with them all in terms of what you can do. I need to know what your goals are, what your current workout looks like. And what is your lifestyle look like?

Do you have kids? Do you do get good sleep every night? Like I get great sleep every night. Sleep all the time. I get great sleep every night sleep all the time. I got anabolic in the fall and I did that and then went back through it kind of again in the new year. I'm just started last week a five by five program. Just trying to switch things up a little.

I'm 47 so I'm not really trying to look like, you know, fitness model, or anything like that. I just want to look, you know, fit and healthy. And like, like all the time that I do put in, like, you can tell, basically. Okay, and so what does that mean for you? Like, leaner, more sculpted. Do mean for you like leaner more sculpted? Do you have more specific you know goal? I?

Would like to look A little bit more muscular like tell that I actually go to the gym and lift weights more Okay, well, I can tell you workout right back at just by looking at you so but I'm I'm what I'm gonna Decide for what you're saying is kind of look more sculpted In addition to maps and a ball like what did you add on top of that? So I'm assuming you didn't just do maps and a ballick Like what do you mean like I just Dig like cardio wise

Any other exercise did you add anything else to it? No, I just would walk and then one or two times a week through in some sprints on the treadmill. That's all I did. I did not lose any weight. I stayed the exact same weight running it. And like I said last week, I started at the FABA-FU Graham, the chiefs. I have, I will quote you know,

one's asking questions about nutrition. Well, yeah, I want to know. Yeah, I mean, especially since you have a degree there, so you obviously know a bit about nutrition. Where are your calories at? Where's your protein at? How often do you track? Tell me some stuff like that. Okay, I used to track in way. Did that for a couple of years.

So now I haven't been weighing that much because I kind of know pretty much what or ounces of chicken looks like. We have our own cattle, so I have all the grass fed beef I want. I try to get about 120 grams of protein a day and then just work from there. Eat a lot of broccoli, rice, potatoes. Any idea on the calories that you're consuming on a regular basis? I would assume I'd probably have about 1900 calories a day. Okay. Now, let me ask you a question.

Let me ask you this, Rebecca. When you did MAP's endabolic and your body weight didn't change, did you get stronger? Yes. Okay. I would suggest measuring progress by looking at the trans with body fat percentage because my hunch, should have changed.

Is that you built some muscle and burnt some body fat? If you're getting stronger, it usually means you're building muscle, usually. And if your body weight stayed the same and you saw some pretty measurable strength gains, you probably got leaner while building more muscle. It's a, listen, if you hit your protein intake, you got stronger in the gym, the scale didn't move. That's exactly what happened.

Yeah. It's, if you got stronger in the gym, you hit your protein intake consistently and then the weight didn't move on the scale, then what happened is that for the couple pounds of muscle that you built, you also lost a couple pounds of fat, which was a, was a net zero on the scale, which is just a little more consistency. I mean, this is one of the hardest parts, I think, for clients is when we're in, even though that's building right now.

It's one of the best places to be. It's a great sweet spot to be, but it takes so much mental discipline because it's a slow process when the scale doesn't move like that. Everybody gets hung up on wanting to see the scale move. You might have been doing a pretty damn good. Yeah, this is a new blueprint. I mean, this is a whole new way of training that you're just introducing.

And I mean, it seems like it's been adequate and most time for your body to start really like changing transforming, which it has like on the strength side and also the building side, but it sounds to me like you want it a little more reveal, which you know, might be just like the composition of body fat. Yeah, I would, there's two options here Rebecca.

You can either cut your calories. I don't think that's a good idea yet because 1900 isn't much and that would take you down to like 1400 calories and then you'd be kind of stuck there. The other option is to do a slow reverse diet for three, four months, maybe interrupted by some slight breaks or some small breaks, and then go cut from there so that wherever you end up is it a sustainable place, which I think you should do. I think a slow reverse diet, focus on building strength. If the scale doesn't move much and you're still increasing your calories, you're winning, then when you get up to like 25, 26, 2700 calories, body weight staying roughly the same, you're much stronger in the gym, then I would start the cut from there and then

you'd see the body fat come off your body and you'd be in a place where you can maintain kind of where you're at now with calories. I'm also, if you were my client, I would make you track right now. I just would, I would just, because I want, that way I could give you better for sure answers. Because even with your, like I know you have the knowledge to know what like about four ounces of protein is

and what a good, what a good choice and a bad choice is, like that's a huge help for me. But even after all these years I've been doing this and I don't know many people that have weighed and measured to the detail that I have, I still surprise myself when I come back and I track and I go like, oh wow, that was, I thought I was eating a little more of that

or I thought I was eating a little less of that. And when I look at it over the course of two, three weeks, it really gives me a better picture and idea of what I'm doing consistently, which then gives me like, okay, this is where I need to go from there with it's cutting calories or increasing them to speed my metabolism up.

So I would want you in this case to at least give me a month or so of like tracking, so we can get a really good, a more clear picture, because then I can give you more like accurate advice of oh, this is for sure what's happening, you know, based off of where your grams of protein, your calories are and what you've been doing consistently. And I know what you've been doing training wise. And I know it's going on the scale. I would be able to answer like with more certainty of what's what's happening.

Right. Should I increase my 120 and increase that a little? I don't think your protein is, do you mind if I ask about where your weight is or what what? Give me, where's your goal weight? Where would you want to be weight wise on the scale? My goal weight, back when I was leaner, about 140. Okay, so your protein is... And I'm about 150 right now. Okay, so, so 120 to 140 is fine.

So your protein's not, but, and I would challenge this because you said, you think around 120. So like when I say, oh, I think I'm around like 180, but then when I start tracking, I'm like, oh, I do hit 180 sometimes. But then I hit 90 and I hit 110. And then when I look at it over the course of like two weeks, I'm like, oh, shit.

My average is actually more like 110, I'm way lower. So that's kind of this type of stuff that I would want to see. And I think that if you're not consistently hitting that 120 to 140, that could also be slowing your progress down of building muscle. So if you, if we saw this very slow exchange where you add a pound of muscle, you burn, you're unbounded fat, it doesn't really feel like you're really making much change, the scale staying the same, even though you're moving in the right direction, part of what why you might be moving slow in the right direction is we're not consistently hitting that

protein intake, so we're not building the most amount of muscle that we could, which is just slowing that process down. Does it mean you're doing bad or wrong? It just means we could speed this process up by being more consistent with hitting your targets. Okay. So should I finish out this five by five program and then change it to something else? Which should I go from there? Oh, I mean, you could do maps performance would be good. Map strong would probably be good, be good as well.

I can send either one of those over to you. If you don't have either one, let's do performance and let's do the forum. And then I would actually like you for me to, you know, track for a couple weeks and give me some insight on what you find. And then from there, I think I can give even better advice. And when you're in the forum and you do this for me, just tag me or the guys so we don't miss it because there's a lot going on. Yeah, but it's going gonna look like a reverse diet. I'm assuming right? Oh yeah, that's a hundred-

Broly bump. Unless she's already at a really high calorie and take that she didn't realize, I mean, sometimes that happens. Sometimes you're like, oh, I thought I was eating 1900. I was actually eating 2700. And if that's a case, then maybe it's cut. Maybe it's cut, yeah. Sure.

And that's the type of stuff that I wanna see. Like, let's get an idea. I don't even need a full month. If I had a couple weeks, you know, a couple weeks, a couple weeks of real consistency of eating this thing. And by the way, I always tell clients when I tell them to track food for me,

eat how you're eating right now. Don't go on like, also now this is your perfect kick. And then I look at them, oh shit, this is perfect. And you're like, well, it's kind of not how I was eating two weeks ago. I've been trying to do these things, eat normal. And let's see where you're at. And then we can go from there.

Perfect, thanks so much. You got it, Rebecca. Thank you. Thanks, bye bye. Yeah, you hit the nail on the head, Adam. I don't think people realize just how off they almost always are when they estimate. And I mean, the most knowledgeable people

will be left with 300, 400 calories, 50, 60 grams. That's a lot on a consistent basis. Really the only way to know is if you consistently track. I think it's a conundrum, I think, when you are in the field in a lot of time, even with like exercise programming, besides just like tracking calories and everything else. Like, I know what to do and it's like, besides just like, you know, tracking calories and everything else, like, you could just,

I know what to do and it's like, I know this, but you can definitely surprise yourself once you really start getting into the details of what you do on a consistent basis. Yeah, I'm gonna take a guess, because I'm almost certain I know exactly what's going on here is she's actually was seeing some progress. It's just very slow, very little,

because over the course of, let's say, all of the maps in a ball three months, she probably only added three pounds of muscle, only lost three pounds of fat, which dispersed over your body and over three months, feels like nothing, right? So she probably feels like, I mean, no progress whatsoever, really,

and I did all this stuff, I eat really good. But if we were to go back and really pick apart the diet, I bet you that for every, for every good day of eating protein and balanced and hitting her macro targets that she wants, she has equal amount of days that she misses just slightly. And that's just enough to slow that, to make that progress very, very slow because it's in, it's not consistently hitting those servers. Now, take that same person following the same program, calories all the same, but hitting her protein and take consistently day and day out. Now she builds eight pounds of muscle.

Right. And now she sees that. Like you put eight to 10 pounds of muscle on a woman, she's gonna feel and see the difference and would see a difference even more in strength. And the fat loss. And the fat loss would probably start just because the metabolism is now speeding up. So, you know, sometimes it's just this little subtle tweak like that. And a lot of it

is just getting a little more insight into exactly what you're doing. And I get it because she has knowledge in that space. It's easy to go like, I know I don't eat bad. It's not a matter. You're not eating bad. You're just not hitting your targets. You need to hit it to the movement you want to see. I guarantee there's progress. It's just a matter, you're not eating bad, you're just not hitting your targets, you need to hit to the movement you want to see. I guarantee there's progress. It's just like, you gotta get those horse blinders on sometimes, you know, you start comparing yourself, especially like to your husband or whoever else,

like close next to you that has like these different genetics, it's, you know, you really gotta stay focused on what's happening with your own body and what. Yeah, it's interesting she added that because that, we could have done without that, that had that, that had nothing to do, it's interesting. She added that because that we could have done without that that that completely was happening. Zero influence on how we would help her. But I think it came out because it's one of those

like, oh, why am I doing this? And I'm not looking like this person type of deal. There's could be a lot of reasons for genetics being one of them. Our next caller is Elijah from Australia. Elijah, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, thank you for taking my call. Before I ask my question, I'll give you all a bit of context. So I started listening to you guys around 2021 during the pandemic. I've been training for years before that, doing stuff like boxing, conditioning workouts and some weights.

But I wouldn't even consider those years proper training until I started implementing some of the protocols and strategies you guys talk about on your show and that have been game changes. Awesome, I'll see. I started a bulk about this time last year. I weighed 77 kilos and I'm like 6 foot 4 so I was quite underweight and I was always a bit obsessed with stangling but I decided if I need to see any changes I would have bumped the calories and that's what I did. So very gradually I increased them and increased them and fast forward to now away 90 kilos, I weighed myself last week, I'm 90 kilos and I'm eating between like 3,500 to 4,000 calories every day and I'm still relatively lean so

that's been a win, thank you. I'm eating only whole foods, lots of eggs, milk, kangaroo, organs, honey, stuff like that, and I also use quite a bit of salt, quite liberally. I know you guys talk about the benefits of salt and how most people that train and eat whole foods actually need to use more salt in their diet. So I tried this too. I started increasing my salt intake and I noticed my performance in the gym was better. I had more energy throughout the day and as I've been increasing my calories, I've continued to salt like all those other small meals I've been having throughout the day as much as I grew my main meals. And I'm like the more I was, I was like more salt I was adding. I started to notice like some negative, yeah, negative, like side effects, like obviously I started retaining a lot of water.

I felt a bit sluggish, a bit groggy throughout the day. And I even started to get like a bit of reflux. I don't know if that was from the salt though, it could have been some other things, but my question for you guys is, we know that saltism is bad as well as we're told, and I know you guys promote increasing your sodium intake, but for someone like myself who's bulking and eating like a lot of food, even if you are having whole foods and you want to like a quote unquote clean diet, 10 sold or sodium have negative health effects

like these studies they've put out in the presence of exxist calories or is it just it's just the case of like too much of a good thing as it turns into a bad game? Yeah, well let's back up for a second. Do you know how much salt you're consuming or are you just adding it liberally, normally in 100 grams? I haven't been weighing it or anything. It's just, I've got a little, a little jar here and it's just like, yeah, if it's all on whole foods, I've very much so doubt. I wish I had this, maybe Doug can look it up for me. He used to have this really great infographic

or whatever you call it, where it showed, and I think I've talked to you guys about this before, it showed like a process. One, yeah, like one McDonald's meal, and then it showed like how many meals, Whole Foods meals, like, and they showed like a pile of salt. How much it is pretty substantial. Yeah, it one like McDonald's meal and then it showed like how many meals whole food meals like like and they showed like a pile of salt How much it is pretty substantial. Yeah, it's it's great. So where it could be Potentially this is if you are salting your whole foods at crazy and then you still have a lot of processed foods in the diet To the food itself

Could be it if you're just eating too much, but here's a thing, okay, just to back up for a second. If everything stayed the same, and then you reduced the salt because you had added a bunch and you felt better, then it probably was the salt. The last part of the question was, is too much of a good thing a bad thing? Yeah, I mean, water's great for you.

You need water, but you could die if you drink too much water. So it's true. Now, the only way to know if that's the case, though, is if everything's controlled, yeah, if you controlled everything, you kept everything the same, raised the sodium, lowered the sodium, noticed you felt better at a particular point,

then that's what worked better for you. Now, the hint, there's some hints here into what you're saying that tells me that it may actually be the sodium. One is in your written question that it looks like you kept everything the same, you just decreased the salt and felt better, is that correct? Correct.

Okay, so that right there tells me that it might be the salt. And the second thing you mentioned, a lot of people don't know this, but lots of sodium for some people can cause issues like acid reflux. It can change the pH and acidity to the point where people will start to get some heartburn. So that also tells me that it might have just been too much.

So there is a good amount of sodium or the right amount and it's higher than what the World Health Organization will recommend, especially for an athlete and you sweat and all that stuff. But can you have too much, yes, you could definitely have too much. So if you did control everything, everything stayed the same, and then you'll raise your sodium, lowered your sodium, put it in the middle, and you notice,

oh, here's where I feel the best, then that's probably what it was. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. I was kind of new that I thought it might have been because I wasn't really paying attention and I was using all this stuff. This is great, no, I just keep pulling it on, but then, yeah, they don't.

I could also make the difference too, Sal, is if there was a major shift in the intensity and volume of training you're doing too. So if he was, let's say he was eating you know, eating a good amount of salt and... You started over training. Yeah, boxing, training all the time, so with that. And then also I went the other opposite direction. Now you're like, maps in a ball, like walking,

you're not pushing the intensity very much, and only training three days a week. And then you're also increasing sodium at the same time that could do a flip-flop. Yeah, your sodium needs go up or down based off of activity and sweating a little bit. But if everything stayed the same, so that includes activity and lifestyle,

and you just raised it and lowered the salt, and you notice, here's where I feel the best, and that's probably what it's, the other question I have to Elijah, is what kind of salt are you using? Celtic and Celtic say salt and pink Himalayan. All right, that's what it's called. Celtic.

Yeah, you're getting some other electrolytes in there. If you controlled everything and increased sodium, decreased it and found that, oh, a little lower than what I thought, I feel better than that's probably what it was. Yeah, I mean, the only other direction I would see is if you had introduced the food, you know, that you hadn't before and then you were reacting to it somehow, with your gut, for me, that's something that presented a new host of variables. I started to get a little acid reflux.

I don't know if you've been through that whole process of kind of eliminating, introducing, and parsing out what types of foods do best with you and what are the most digestible, that kind of a thing, but sounds to me like if you reduced your salt and it helped, you know, that's pretty clear. Here's the other thing too, is that I don't care what any expert says.

Now this is of course in the context of a normal healthy individual, so you don't have any like real bad dysfunctional psychological issues, let's say. But I don't have any like real bad dysfunctional psychological issues, let's say. But I don't care what any expert says. If it makes you feel like crap, listen to your body. So if you listen to mind pump and we say eat this much protein, do this much exercise, do this or whatever, and you do it, you're like, oh, I feel like shit, don't ignore your body and just do what we said. Like listen to your body. Your body is going to give you better answers than we are.

Now, the only time this is not the case is when you have like really dysfunctional relationships with our own bodies and exercise where a person is like, well, they're telling me I'm overtraining, but I'm going to keep overtraining because this makes me feel better even though they clearly are, type of deal. So, but if you're like, if you're controlling these things

and you're pretty good, you're not like, like I said, you don't have these really dysfunctional relationships with exercise and diet, listen to your body because there's always going to be an individual variance. And there could be other factors that we're just not seeing. And the worst thing you could do is ignore your body because some expert told you to do something about, it's like when people get on medications and their doctor says, here, this will help you. And then they're like, I feel terrible,

but Doc says I need to take this. I said, well, if you feel terrible, like it's probably not working. You have to be your own advocate always. Totally. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, 100%. Okay.

Yeah. No, it's, uh, yeah. It, like sometimes you just say, he, he's something is like, uh, it's not as bad as we've been told and it's like oh sweet I'll just been parlin on everything but This is sometimes a good yeah it goes backwards. So I'm totally good before I go guys. I just wanted to you know How much like this show you've kind of mentored me, not only in the realm of like a health and fitness, but man also as a man and the kind of advice he gives on a fatherhood

and stuff like this. I mean the boat, I'm not sure if everyone wanted to have kids or stuff like that, but hearing you guys talk about your family lives and even those, like especially those conversations you have with the Greenfield man, I love those. And it inspires me to one day maybe have kids myself, so I'm, now thank you so much for your show. That's awesome, man.

That's the best compliment I think we could have gotten. Appreciate it, thanks, Ralph. Thank you. Thanks guys. You got it. I didn't know you could eat kangaroo to me. But you didn't know that? No, I had no idea. I mean, why not? Like, legally, it's a pretty big.

Well, I mean, I almost feel like, I almost, I don't know, I guess I assume. Like if they're protected or something. Yeah, like it's a national, you know what I mean? Like, the thing is like deer, like they're everywhere, you know. Wow. Is that right? Do they hunt? No, obviously they hunt them. If they eat everywhere, you know, wow. Is that right? Do they like do they hunt now? Obviously they hunt them if they they can guru will fuck you up

I know you're ever seen what they look like and I So is there like a kangaroo hunting season just like deer season? Yeah, I don't know I'm with Sal actually for some reason I actually do think I've heard people say that but then like you I was like wait a second. I wouldn't I would have thought it was like a national animal Yeah, yeah, like bald eagle. Hey, I had some bald eagle. Oh my god That's a pandemy Maybe more like a buffalo

Actually you can buy online Wow, you want to try it? Sounds tough. Might be. Doesn't it sound like the Raph Lennox? Yeah, they're, yeah, the sounds tough. I had a friend who tried it. He said it made his gut jump around a little bit. Stupid. Terrible. That's it. Sorry. It's a bad. It's a bad. I'm going on my bad. Anyway, the message should be

the message with that question for everybody. Listen to your body. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Our next caller is Damien from Minnesota. Damien, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, it's so happy to be on.

Thanks for having me. Yeah. Well, so I'm an online coach, first off, and a trainer, and I just want to say thank you for all the put out there. It's really helped me, helped a lot of people, and I just want to say thank you for all the put out there. It's really helped me help a lot of people and I'm excited to help more. So I just I use your stuff every day how to communicate and how to communicate. So just thank you for that. You got it.

For head. For myself though, it's around the concept of intuitive training. I put that in quotes. I'm not really sure at the specific term or not, but you mentioned that term a couple times in the show, maybe the last couple of months, and it's intrigued me because I'm finding myself kind of falling into that or wanting to fall into that and want to know your thoughts. A little context on me specifically. I lost 70 pounds after college Specifically, I lost 70 pounds after college over the course of a couple of years.

And over the past two or three years, it was almost exclusively mind-pump program to build. Now about 25 pounds of muscle went from 192. I was two, and I'm a lower body fat percentage, so free commercial work. Right on, oh yeah. They're overall my metabolism's way higher. It's a great place to be if you're thinking about reverse dieting and do it.

But yeah, so I'm in a place now where I love training though. And the benefits that it gives me almost more mentally and emotionally or personally, you might say. Then any specific aesthetic shift. And if I want to, a couple of body fat percentage, I know how to do that. But I've always been a person who has really specific goals and follows programs to a T and wants to hit those goals, whether they're aesthetic, this percentage body fat

or a certain strength goal, like powerlifting or something. But lately, I've just been running math 15 style program, but also some days I'm sprinkling more exercise if I have more time or if I'm feeling good. I'm a dad to two daughters under now so days can look really different. Then some weeks look different. Like last week I ran more of a three times a week type of deal. But yeah, I just love to hear your guys's advice on training intuitively, not following the program per se if your weeks are going to look different. And then how do you think about when to buckle in and follow a program?

When do you know you need to do that versus train intuitively? Are there any pitfalls in that to be aware of and then look like in your life? Those are sort of my questions. It sounds like you're ready for that and you're kind of already doing that anyways. The only time I suggest this to a client or a person that's interested in intuitive training is when you've reached kind of your goals or you don't have any real aesthetic goals at the moment, meaning like, this is how I train right now. I'm not really, I don't really care if I build 10 more pounds of muscle or reduce 3% body

fat. I've got no competition, you know, I just want to look better than Sal. That's like it, right? So and I can do that intuitively. Wow. So. So my training reflects that, right? Like I'm not trying to move the needle like with a certain time frame.

Just like what you just said, you know, I might be following like a Maps 15 type of routine. But then hey, I got extra time today. The kids are, you know, with somebody else. So I a good, I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good,

I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good, I'm just trying to be a good, mobility's pretty good. I'm healthy. I'm just trying to weave my training and exercise in with my lifestyle and what I do. And so it conforms and changes based on my week, week to week.

There's nothing wrong with that. The pitfall of that is, you know, real easily sometimes you can say you're intuitive training and intuitive training starts looking less and less like training. More and more. That's what I think. You know, I think maybe structuring a period for that of experimenting with that and then coming back to some kind of programming because obviously it requires the knowledge that

you have already built and this is to the point where you can understand what moves the needle the most for you individually, that being nutrition, that being training, and you kind of understand how your body is react. And so you can throttle down and it's going to produce what you want it to produce. You can kind of back off and you can kind of, you know, stay in a bit of a maintenance phase. I mean, this is a long game. So this is all about longevity. What's going to work best for you? It's nice to introduce new stimulus every now and then and so you want to kind of consider that. So I would, I would kind of cruise and experiment your way through that for a couple months and make sort of a block of this

to really get some feedback on how well that was going for you and then maybe introduce something new in terms of programming to stimulate you going forward. You know, Damien, I have a challenge, a big problem with this conversation and it's not anything that Adam and Justin are saying, but rather the way that we tend to frame intuitive training as if it's like this is, this is what intuitive training is and everything else is structured planned workouts. It's that's not what it looks like. It's more like a range. So intuitive training could be on the low end of the range where you modify your reps a little bit or maybe you move a little more

intuitive and you change some exercises, becomes a little more intuitive. I change the days that I work out and the intensity. And then it can be all the way extreme intuitive where I literally today wake up and decide what I'm gonna do. And I had no idea, no concept, or really any structure whatsoever. Okay, what determines where you should probably fall on that scale? There's two things.

One is your experience with exercise. If you've been working out and training your body consistently for two decades, then you are you can probably do the most intuitive form of training and do very very well. If you've been working out for a year consistently, I do not think it's a good idea to try and do the extreme form of You're consistently, I do not think it's a good idea to try and do the extreme form of intuitive training. You're probably more ready for changing exercises here and there and maybe changing rep ranges. So, and there's another part to this,

which is your relationship with exercising yourself. If you have a dysfunctional relationship with exercise and your body, intuitive training is terrible. You take somebody who's got body image issues and you tell them, hey, train intuitively. They're gonna over train, they're gonna beat themselves up. Or somebody who has a dysfunction relationship with strength and you tell them, hey, go train intuitively.

They're always train lift heavy, even when their body is telling them not to, even when it's not a good idea. So that's where, that's how we determine where we fall on that scale. Now, based off of what you're saying, I think you're doing great. I think you're perfect. You're doing perfectly fine. What it sounds like you're doing is you're following some structure, but then you modify it based off of your schedule with your kids and kind of

what you need during that week or whatever. That sounds perfectly fine. Yeah. I think you're totally fine. I think you might actually be overthinking it a little bit. I think you're doing absolutely fine. You're doing great. And I would add more structure when it feels right and when you have a specific goal. I want to hit this target with my PR. I want to build this much muscle or get this lean.

That's when the structure may be more beneficial. But the way you're doing it now, it sounds like you're doing great. Yeah, the only thing I'd be cognizant of is pain, attention to, like, when we get into patterns, we tend to gravitate towards what we like to do the most. And this is just like human behavior in general.

And so just to see how many times you tend to lean more towards specific lifts and repeat those specific lifts without incorporating the other ones you know, your body needs, you know, has benefit in that direction. So I would just pay attention to that as, you know, you're modifying and kind of doing this in two. No, that's a great point, Justin.

That's a really, to me, that's a, when he asked a question about pitfalls, that's a definite pitfall, right? Like everybody in this room intuitively trains. Everybody does. Nobody's following. I do that all the time. We all intuitively train, but we all have the habit of gravitating towards

the exercises, the movements, the rep ranges we like. So you just gotta have that check-in with yourself. You know, just consistently check-in. Like Sal said, I think you're doing great right now. You don't need to, I think you're kind of intuitive training right now, so roll with it. But then also be aware of your own habits and behaviors around training.

And typically what we all do is gravitate to the things we're good at or we like doing. And what I'm sure you've learned already, being a coach now, many times what's best for our body is not always necessarily the things that we like doing or we want to do. So, you know, so just having that, you know, come to Jesus' moment with yourself occasionally

and go and like, okay, I've been, quote unquote, intuitive training for the last six months, but I haven't hit legs. Yeah, but I skipped legs or I haven't done this. Or I've been doing five by five that entire time, or whatever it is that you love or gravitate towards, and be honest with yourself and then go like, ah, my body probably needs me to do this or what I like that. And then start moving in that direction.

That's, I'd say that's probably the biggest pin. Yeah, it's, so whenever you do intuitive anything, you know, nutrition, training, whatever, there's really two voices that you're listening to. One is the one that's telling you what you need. The other one's telling you what you need. The other one's telling you what you want. And it's hard to decipher sometimes which one you're listening to. So, you know, my body intuitively is telling me to eat donuts

and sit on the couch, right? You know, probably not the voice you want to listen to. I'm using an easy example, but when you're in the gym it can be hard to decipher. Oh, intuitively, I think I should go and do some, you know, some singles in the gym, it can be hard to decipher. Oh, intuitively, I think I should go and do some singles in the gym. And then you're like, wait a minute, I've been doing singles for the last six months. Like, maybe not, you know, type of deal. So that's exactly where this can kind of become a challenge.

And the way out of that challenge is to sometimes revert back to a program. Because the program will tell you, now it's time for mobility. And then you know, I tend to avoid that. So I'm gonna go and do that anyway, you know, type of deal. Does that make sense? Yeah, that's really helpful. Thank you guys. I think it really, now that I'm hearing you,

I think the mental block for me has always been that I've been so honed in on a program. So I feel that not following one so specific will just lead to muscle falling off my body. No, not having a... Yeah, no. I don't think I know how the numbers work. I'm used to doing this one thing.

So now that I'm hearing you talk, it's like, yeah, it'll be fine. Just kind of do what you know is a good workout a times a week and you'll stay healthy. And that makes sense to me. Yeah, thanks cool And it says you're an online coach NC. I certified is that correct? Yeah, that's right I just signed up

coaching mastery and the vault and all that's So I'm excited for that awesome. Do you have the prime bundle? Um, I have I do I have prime and Adam's gonna yell at me. I don't have prime pro yet. That's like the one One-program of doors. I don't get that Yeah, I'm gonna send you prime pro. Yeah, it's essential. Yeah Thank you guys you're the best you got it man. Thanks for falling in Yeah, still surprising me how many people remember when you said that It's like PTSD

Don't get any I want to be people lied. Yeah, I have it We're having people haven't called in cuz they know Can you send me I tried to deposit how would people go and buy it before they even ask a question? I'm gonna ask this question right now I'm gonna make sure I got my ass covered cuz I know Machine you know this purchase boom I do what you know he'll listen this later on, and I think we did get a chance to say it too, but since he is a coach, rarely ever am I encouraging any of my clients to train this way. Never.

Because everybody who hires you, I shouldn't say every, most everybody who will ever hire you, has a very specific goal that they're trying to obtain. It's, I need to lose 30 pounds. I want to build 10 pounds of muscle. I want to increase my bench press. I want to increase my, and when you have very specific goals and you're a coach, my job is to try and get you there the fastest, healthiest, best way possible.

And to intuitively train and eat is not the way to do that. And so if you were a coach, this is like the ultimate destination for a client eventually to get to when they're beyond you, but when they hire you, I'm never going like, oh yeah, we're gonna go ahead and intuitively train or intuitively eat right now while we try and hit these goals. I'm gonna make it even more clear. The vast majority of people

who also happen to be vast majority unhealthy and overweight or obese, the vast majority of people intuitively eat happen to be vast majority unhealthy and overweight or obese. The vast majority of people intuitively eat and intuitively exercise. The problem is not that they're intuitively exercising and intuitively eating. It's that they're intuition. Their compass is all fucked up. They don't have a good intuition. So they are listening to the voice, but the voice is not the voice thing.

The voice is leading them astray. So you need to train that voice and become connected to it before you can move to something like this. Otherwise, your intuition will literally tell you to not move any garbage in which case, we know for a fact that that's the wrong thing to do. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides.

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