Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2071: How to Know if You Are Overtraining, Reasons Why Women Should Bulk, Overcoming Low Back Pain When Squatting & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: There is a RIGHT way to use substances that make you feel good to help with mental health. (2:35) Sal’s experience with Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) therapy so far. (13:16) Putting a spotlight on PETA. (32:08) Lab Grown meat vs. Real meat. (34:15) When the music really hits you. (42:57) Fun Facts with Justin: Heavy metal and termites. (47:14) Are banks going down? (49:46) What is it with Sal and racing? (52:51) Good credit, higher mortgage fees. (54:49) New product alert from Caldera. (1:01:10) Shout out to Norada Real Estate. (1:03:25) #ListenerLive question #1 - Any guidance for balancing commitment toward a specific goal with awareness regarding when to shift gears? (1:05:02) #ListenerLive question #2 - How reliable are body scans? I decided to get a trainer to help me figure out nutrition more. I wanted to see more of the muscle I had been building, so I told her I'd like to cut fat. We did a body scan, and it said to eat about 1750 calories to lean out, which should be a 500-calorie deficit (according to the scan). (1:18:01) #ListenerLive question #3 - After completing MAPS Anabolic, should I continue to chase the strength gains in a program like MAPS Strong, or should I move into something like Performance? While I continue to get stronger with every workout, I'm beginning to experience progressive stiffness throughout my lower back that I cannot seem to shake even with increased mobility work. (1:35:02) #ListenerLive question #4 - I am currently 175 lbs., dropping about .5lb per week. Ideally, I’d like to get macro-focused again, so I can decrease some of the cardio. My goal is to maintain about 160lb. I don’t know if I need to stay at maintenance calories while I decrease the cardio. Do I slowly back out of the cardio? I’m scared to scale back too much and gain weight. (1:42:36) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** May Promotion: MAPS Prime or MAPS Prime Pro or the Prime Bundle 50% off! **Code MAY50 at checkout** If you wouldn't give your kid a cigar, you shouldn't give them meat. Dairy Products and Cardiometabolic Health Outcomes All-In Podcast - E126: Big Tech blow-out, Powell’s recession warning, lab-grown meat, RFK Jr shakes up race & more A ‘full body orgasm’ at the L.A. Phil? Witnesses offer conflicting accounts Mind Pump #1822: Wim Hof On How To Control Your Immune System With Breathwork Heavy Metal Music Speeds Up Termites’ Wood Consumption: Research Uncovers Interesting Results Turnkey Real Estate Investing | Turnkey Property Investment Borrowers with good credit may pay more under Biden mortgage rule Visit Sleep Breakthrough by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout** Mind Pump #1942: Lose Fat, Perform Better & Live Forever With Jason Phillips Mind Pump #2010: Seven Reasons Your Workout Isn’t Working Mind Pump #1830: Five Steps To Determine Your Ideal Caloric Intake Mind Pump #1565: Why Women Should Bulk Reverse Dieting 101 MAPS Symmetry MAPS Anabolic Advanced Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks) Instagram Wim Hof (@iceman_hof) Instagram Christopher M. Naghibi (@chrisnaghibi) Instagram Jason Phillips (@nci_ceo_jason) Instagram  

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The Apple podcast winners are Doc Dunney and TN Gulf for 17 and for Facebook We have Arabella and Elena Brookmeyer. All four of you are winners, send a name I just read to iTunes at mineputmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Can substances that make you feel good help you with mental health?

Well, it depends on how you use them. Simply feeling good. Well, that doesn't have tons of value in this particular case unless you use the better feeling as a way to face some of those demons is a way to challenge yourself to improve yourself and work on the things that are causing the roots or the root causes of why you feel so poor. So using substances to feel good, it depends why you're using those substances and it depends on what you use with those good feelings.

So we're going straight, mother, I have a question. Yeah, where are you going with this? Can I have an audience? Oh, yeah, you too. I know. I should check for an angel before we start. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's just guy going with this.

No, you know what it is. You know what I thought it was, because I know you just did your NDMA thing or what? Well, you set it wrong. What is it was because I know you just did your in DMA thing or what you said it wrong what is the mdr I didn't do mdma these acronyms dude you did your thing you did your laser thing or what is it what's it what are they do you hold mag laser yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I fixed your lasers yeah why I'm finding his inner child I see me like like a booth and there's hit me with my eyes. So yeah, okay, you didn't get the first time because it's the second time you got the

movie. Hold on, back up for a second. Sorry, sorry. Stay focused on the fix it. Look, here's a deal. Okay. Okay, this is true for lots of different substances, even pharmaceuticals. There are things you can take that will alleviate the symptoms or the physical feelings of anxiety or

physical feelings of feeling down or less energized and That's okay. There's nothing wrong with that But if there's a deeper problem you can use that Improved sense of well-being as a way to face those types of things. So this is how for example They find the most success with pharmaceuticals for things like depression and anxiety. So you can take substances that are very powerful at alleviating the physical symptoms of anxiety. But if you never really work on the root cause, you kind of cover it up and then eventually it starts to pop out in different ways

or the medication stops working or you need more type of deal. So why am I saying this? Okay, cannabinoids, excluding THC. So excluding the cannabinoid that's still illegal and federally that you can find in marijuana. The other cannabinoids, CBD, CBN, CBC, and all the others that you find in the hemp plant have been shown to alleviate symptoms of

anxiety. They can produce some mild feelings of euphoria, lower inflammation. Inflammation, by the way, can cause things like depression. So having a systemically inflamed state just generally can make you feel depressed and less motivated. So you could use these cannabinoids to feel better, but I caution people and like to explain to people, like, okay, now that you feel better, what are you gonna do with that? Right. So now that you feel better, can you go in and deal with some of these issues, some of these challenges? So like, okay, yes.

So you're not anchored to the feeling of a substance that the substance provides. Right, because then it can become even a dysfunctional relationship with that. So like, I'm always anxious, I'm always anxious. And it's hard to work on being anxious when you're anxious. That's a very difficult thing to do. But let's say you take hemp oil. So you use like the company we work with is Ned. You use their hemp oil.

Like oh my god, my anxiety feels a lot better. Okay, now you can go because you feel better, it feels safe. Let me look at why I'm anxious all the time. Like what is going on there? What is causing this anxiety? Maybe you're just overwhelmed. Maybe your plate is too full. Maybe there's things you wanna tell your partner

or your friends that you're just holding inside. Maybe you hate your job, you just don't wanna face it. Whatever, right? I'm just throwing a bunch of stuff out there. But if you use it in that way boy can it be Effective so yes, you do feel better generally speaking For a lot of different reasons when you use cannabinoids But they can become exceptionally powerful when you use them and then with that good feeling use that good feeling to help deal with the roots

Yeah, I would think too like if you that, and then you get that better feeling in that relaxed state, like to also enhance that by going through, like, some meditative practice and, like, breathing drills and, you know, things like that, maybe walking out in nature, something to kind of get you outside of your normal spinning sort of, like, I have to sort of assess my everyday stress and, like, what I'm doing and what I constantly have to do later on and to just get out of that off that wheel for a bit and just focus on being present and all that is way better.

Yeah, totally. So now, not to shit on your commercial angle, but it didn't we have a study recently come out that for anxiety, it's like 50, 50 now, it's like up in the air because it's been known that cannabis has been a tool that people have used. THC. So it's T8, but not CBD. No, I thought I thought it was CBD.

No, generally speaking, not, of course, this isn't going to be for everybody. So I'm sure there's going to be some people out there that it may make them not feel good or feel worse. But that makes sense to me now, you say. But TH be for everybody. So I'm sure there's gonna be some people out there that it may make them not feel as good or feel worse. But that makes sense to me now, you say. But THC for sure. Right, because THC is psychoactive. And if you're anxious, getting high in paranoid, which I've been in that state for a while, I mean, I could feel calm and THC can make me anxious.

Right, that was my point. And I thought that would, so it was just THC, it's not CBD, that study that came out. In fact, consistent use of THC increases the, I mean, now they're showing relatively conclusively, there's a few studies now that show this, can increase your risk of mental disorders

and even psychosis. So THC, not as benign as we might have thought. I feel like, I mean, I don't think any of us in here ever thought that. I mean, everybody knows a guy that went crazy because he had two which weeks. Well, I mean, it's a psychoactive drug. So of course it would mess with psychosis.

I would think that that's kind of an obvious, potential side effect like anything else if you abuse. Abusing very addictive behavior around THC for sure. Oh yeah. But now CBD and the other cannabinoids have actually been shown to offset some of that. So they'll find that like cannabis that's high in CBD or high in the other. So what happens with the cannabinoid content of marijuana is if you increase one then

you'll decrease the others. It's not like you can increase one and keep the others a certain level. There's like a total amount of cannabinoids that a plant will have. But what they found and studies were, was that plants, we're talking about cannabis now. We're not talking about hemp oil or hemp, which is legal. With cannabis, cannabis that has a balanced, a more balanced cannabinoid profile, far less likely to cause that. So it's really the concentration of THC in a more balanced cannabinoid profile? Far less likely to cause that. So it's really the concentration of THC. You know, in relation to the cannabinoid, I've shared before on the podcast that this

was one of the best tips that you gave me personally, being an open, that I've been a cannabis user for quite some time. I've had these times where I get the side effects of insomnia or I get too high and I don't like the way I feel, I don't get good sleep. And one of the best organ headaches sometimes if I had too much, simply pairing that with high CBD has always done well. And now, I mean, this was even both, but you were giving me this advice before we were working with Ned.

And I used to take gummies or just appear CBD ones. And then, because I've, you know, I like, and by the, I'm not advocating for people to smoke cannabis. It's just openly admit that that's how I consume it many the times. So what I would do is I would smoke it and then I would go and have that at the CBD edible. This was before Ned, where now I just take a drop

or full of that with it, and it almost always makes sure I have a much smoother night of sleep, even if I kind of tip over a little too much of having more than I need to, because I have my amount that I'm like, okay, that's all I need. Then I have those times where I like, oh, I have a little bit more, and then there's times where I tip over, and I have the adverse effect. Yeah, just to give you, like to use another analogy, let's say you have a lot of anxiety,

anxiety can be crippling by the way, especially if it's kind of chronic. What I mean by crippling is it could make you freeze. So you're too anxious to do a lot, like a lot of things, especially things that will help you with your anxiety. So, and I look, you guys have all had clients like this, where they get so anxious that they don't, it's hard for them to exercise.

Even though movement is one of the best things they could do, they're stuck in their chair, they're stuck on the couch, or stuck doing what they're doing, ruminating or thinking about whatever, and they just can't get the energy or enough of the anxiety to go away to actually get up and do the thing that'll help them.

So like with Ned, for example, so the reason why this came up is I got a DM from someone. And they said that, so you guys remember I brought up that study that said that people who use CBD or cannabinoids and workout, report improved pleasure from the workout, or they liked it more, right? They liked it.

So I got a DM from someone. And this person said, that was crazy study brought up. I have crippling anxiety I get so anxious It's really tough for me to do things and sometimes I and I know movement makes me feel better I know going for a walk or doing yoga or lifting weights makes me feel better But if I'm in that anxious state I it's so hard for me to just do something I end up sticking to the couch or frozen. Yeah, so this person she said I got Ned based off what you said, I use it. And what happened is it brought my anxiety down enough to where I could go for a walk and go

exercise. And then the exercise really made a big difference. So I thought, wow, this is, yeah, this is great. I should communicate this. And it's, and this is again, this is, if you look at all the literature with even medications, the substance alleviates some of the physical feelings, but the most effective way to use that is then to take that better space that you're in and then face the things that you need to face to kind of address the root cause. It's interesting you're bringing this up too, because I mean, this is all the legal way

to kind of go about it and stuff that's like readily available to see what's on the market now in terms of therapies with like psychoactive type drugs. Even like, I began, there's this whole treatment for that for like drug addiction and there's obviously still a siphon, you know, there's like ketamine now and there's like all these like different types of therapies in MDMA using some of these like scheduled drugs, but to be able to the work with it, obviously in therapy is like it's, you can't have one without the other. Yeah, I do know how it's weird because part of the reason you brought up the EMDR thing that I'm doing, it's not, it's not MDMA with lasers. That's a rave, I don't sound. Which by the way, sounds way cooler. That's not it's not MDMA with lasers. That's a rave. By the way, sounds wake

That's way more fun than what I do. I was about to sign up and tell me what it really was. Can you can you can you can you describe For us the the setting is it that you know is she Skyping is she in person with you? Yeah, I'm person So she's in person sitting across at a table. Are you in person with you? Yeah, in person. So she's in person, sitting across at a table, are you in an isolated room? Is it like a light is on you and it's dark? It's just a normal room. Okay, so normal room, normal lighting. What do you picture?

I'm trying to, you haven't painted the picture for me right now. So it's like an interrogation or something? How would that help? How would that help? How would that help? All right, so we're gonna have you go into some deep shit. Here's a spotlight on your face. It's a interrogation.

Well, something like, comfortable with your face and tail. Like it's more like therapy like that. Yeah, you're sitting in normal office. Okay. I'm talking to, you know, is it in her office or at your house? Her office.

Okay, so it's in her office. Yeah, and there's different ways to do it. So there's, I've seen people do it where they tap their shoulders. There's different ways to do it. I've seen people do it where they tap their shoulders. There's different ways to do it. Some people use their eyes, which she has. She has these two little handles that you hold, and each one will buzz independently. What it does is it activates the right left hemisphere

of the brain, and it grounds you. And apparently, the theory is, it tells the brain that it's safe to go into feelings or thoughts or experiences that you have created blocks that prevent you from going into. So because, just like you said with the psychedelic therapies, which is the same thing, you feel safe enough to go into them now, you can process them.

So are you, while you're going to this, and I know it's only in the second time right now, are you getting this sense that even when this is all done, that you are now gonna have these new tools on how to access that, maybe without the actual therapy? Totally. Okay, cool. That's profound. Oh, that's cool.

It takes, I mean, I've only done two, so I'm speaking from personal experience. I'm sure it's different from person to person, but the first one was heavy, and I did not feel right. You seem much lighter by the way. This was like yeah, you used to you You've seen that way. Yeah, I just you on the last one. I really I was like concerned for you I feel like God he really like yeah pull out like is he gonna be here next week? Yeah, I thought or this one I feel like you're like you're like Your hand on your shoulder really guys I quit the podcast

Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you're not your fault. Yeah, I don't know. I was like, that's what you started right? Yeah, I'm not your fault. That's a mad day menu. Just so afraid of crying. Oh, yeah. It's like, no.

No, no, this one was light. It was very light, but it's weird. It's weird how things will pop up and ideas and thoughts. And then with this one, it was more about making connections. You ever ever have like a so I don't know how to explain this without getting per- So I'm not gonna get personal but let's say I don't really want to hear this. No, no, no I didn't know that we don't even get to know this guy hasn't shared any of this stuff that is going on I'm sure some of stuff with you guys know you have it. Not what it is. You're working on. Oh, okay Well, I'll tell you guys off-air but it's there crazy. People are probably watching like, what happened to Sal, Jesus Christ, did he get,

like, we're gonna create our own story. No, I just look, I have a, there's a certain respect that I have for myself and there's certain things that I just don't, you know, I'm not gonna talk about on a show to make a part of entertainment or whatever. So that's, you know, whatever. But nonetheless, the best way I can explain it,

you guys ever have an experience where you know something, you're like, you know, I do this for that reason or this person is like that, so you know it in your head, but you don't know it, like you don't really know it, and then something happens, you have an experience, you know, maybe you have this deep conversation, I don't know, maybe you smoke a joint, and then it hits you like,

like this really powerful realization, like holy cow, like I really get that now. It hasn't really sunk in until. Yes, yes, that happened. That happened. Yeah, that happens quite a bit when you do something like this. And what's weird is I didn't know, you often don't know, you might have a direction,

but you don't know where you're gonna go and then just things keep popping up, which is pretty interesting. Do they seem to all be attached to like some deep childhood thing or some things even like adolescent? I mean, I've only done it twice, but so far, yeah, for me. Okay. But so this is based now off of my reading on the internet.

Again, I am far from an expert on this, so this is just a dude telling you his experience on what he read, you know, on six pages of, yeah, on the internet. But in some cases, people will have lapses in memory. This is what people with severe trauma. This is not me, so I don't have severe trauma, but there's a lot of people who do and they'll have complete lapses of memory and they'll say, I don't remember before the age of 10

or I don't remember between 10 and 13. I or I don't remember like between 10 and 13. I have stuff like that. I have like ears that are black. Okay. The brain does that, or the body does that to protect you. It was so for whatever reason, overwhelming, painful, challenging that it just cut it out. You just don't even, it's not even accessible. So EMDR is a way that could get you to go in and

access that period of time. And that can be very and nerving for some people. But you're talking about, I was reading a research on it and like a like one or two sessions of EMDR in one of these studies, more effective than years of talk therapy for PTSD. Now what is yours? What is the evolutionary theory on the why the brain would intentionally prune that? It's gotta keep you alive. You're, you're,

so the idea is like, it's something traumatic happen in your life. So let's take it back to like forever ago, right? So, you know, almost attacked by a lion that's super scary and stuff like that when you're on, like maybe scavenging for food or something, you almost died. If you were to dwell on that,

that would keep you from potentially going out and hunting for food again. You would be able to, so you need to like, black it out, pretend like as if it didn't have to exist. So in extreme cases, in very extreme cases, let's say somebody is abused, you know, multiple times as a child, severely abused. They can, the brain will literally, in some cases, create an alternative person that that's

happening to, that they are separate from. It used to be called multiple personality disorder, but now they call it like extreme disassociative something disorder, where it didn't happen to me. So now I can function in everyday life. And it doesn't mean, you know, your body's not designed, your brain's not designed to make you great and well. It's designed to make you be able to move and function and procreate. So you're going to be dysfunctional, but you're not dead. Is this basically?

I wonder how many people lose their superpower when they uncover some of this stuff. You gain more. You think so? Absolutely. Do you think always? 100%. 100. 100%. 100% you definitely become a healthier, better version

of yourself. But don't you think that some super athletes and super high performers, a part of what is made them so great at what they do is that they've been running their whole life from something that is buried deep within and you and much of that has resulted in their success and their pursuit of being great. Well, let me put it to you this way. I don't know if I would call it a superpower. If

let's say for whatever reason you had this trauma as a kid. And now you have to keep trying to earn more money and make more money because somehow that's tied to your sense of value or maybe people like me. And so you keep doing that. And then let's say you process it all. And you're like, I am somebody that is worth being loved. I don't need to keep doing that. So I don't need to keep chasing that money.

Is that worse? I've said that, I feel like it's better. I think it was torture what the to keep doing that. So I don't need to keep chasing that money. Is that worse? I've said that, I feel like it's better. I think it was torture what the person was doing before. They had more money, but is that success? Yeah, and I think that's what I mean by that, right? So that's what I mean by losing their superpowers, that their superpower, that the rest of us would perceive, right? So like maybe, like sure.

I think they would 100% be a healthier person, internally, probably healthier to have let go of that. But from the outside looking in, and I use the analogy of an athlete, I think of a Tiger Woods, who was like, dad was like militant, and was trying to his approval his whole life, he goes through something like this, and then now he just starts golfing.

That's interesting. That's an interesting perception, because it's like Marilyn Marosa, good example. Super power of being so beautiful, right? That's to interesting perception because it's like Marilyn Marosa, good example. You know, super power of being so beautiful, right? That's to everybody else. To her, plus including her trauma. That was a terrible curse. Yeah, well, and she suffered for it. So yeah, we might on the outside be like, yeah, I love Tiger Woods. This has been in feeding me so much to watch this guy do this, but he might be fucked because of it.

Yeah, well, I think too, with the athletes, especially as an example, that might be their fuel, like God in there, right? Okay, they wanted to overcome this chip on their shoulder and all that, but to then come in, actually heal and become, I guess, more potential of who you could be and operate on a different system, there's gonna be a learning curve to that for them,

but if they do kind of operate in a different system, I think that either it's gonna accelerate your potential or yeah, you might just abandon it. I would think you would abandon it. I mean, and then the gist is completely my opinion and my own experiences of being around, you know, celebrities, athletes, people like that. I think most of them are tortured. Well, I think most of them are, I think most of us have a really different understanding of

what's really going on inside many of them. Much of them that are especially the level today, sports today compared to sports 50 years ago. Well, you know, athletes 50 years ago still had a full-time job and a family and like, sports was like very, but the way they're celebrated, they're paid now, if you wanna be great, you gotta start at such a young age and literally sacrifice most of your childhood

and young adulthood to be this super athlete, most people that do that are either running from something tortured from something and all that. There's, they're driven by pain. Yes, most athletes I know are driven by pain. Extend that though, because you said most athletes. I would say most people. Okay, because look around the world.

This is not hard for people to do. People watching listening right now. Look around at the world. And if you sit down and you're calm from an objective point of view, so much of the stuff we do is crazy. It makes no sense. Some of the stuff that we do.

To ourselves, to our bodies, to our kids, to each other, to other countries. You look at it and you go, why can't we just operate differently? to our bodies, to our kids, to each other, to other countries. You look at it and you go, why can't we just operate differently? Why? Because all of us operate, most of us operate from this particular place.

The other side of it is one of the defense mechanisms, which I also learned, and I'm not saying this is you Adam, but you brought this up, so it's actually really interesting. One of the defense mechanisms for somebody not wanting to face their demons is, am I gonna be, am I gonna still be this great person? Probably different.

Am I still gonna be able to do the things? Am I still gonna be married to my wife? Well, imagine I have the same friend. Imagine the fear in their fear. Their fear is gonna be this, because there's the opposite that is, like, I agree with you. Most everybody is operating from this place, right?

From these insecurities, trauma, things like that. And there tends to be a very clear split of which one are you? Did you take that trauma, fuel it to become this super athlete, high performing CEO, great, whatever? Or did you go the victim route and go pour me and then you abuse drugs, you don't do shit with your life. You have PTSD.

So, and the crazy part is like, so if you're that one who used it for high performance, you go like, I mean, I don't want the other side. And so the truth is like, it's somewhere in the middle is where you wanna be, is like recognizing you have this, you've used it to make yourself a better version yourself, but you haven't drank so much of your Kool-Aid that you continue to double and triple down on it. Okay, it depends how you define success.

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Okay, so let me ask you this question. Honest to God, be honest about this. How many people have you met in your entire life that you can actually say just from knowing them, we could say, man, that person is, they're pretty special, they're pretty balanced. They're pretty good. Like, I've only known a few. Handful, I mean.

Some of them were successful based off of money and their job. Some of them were just average off of money and their job. Some of them were just average, whatever, but I've known very few people, and you know these people, you meet them, you hang out with them, you go, okay, I'll use one that's well known. Arthur Brooks is one of these people. You meet Arthur Brooks, and you talk to him. Now he also happens to be successful in the traditional sense, right, with business and

all that stuff. But you meet and you sit with the guy, and you get the sense that he's a very balanced, oh, you feel the energy. Awesome. Just, no is ego. He's not egotistical. He's not like this insecure. I feel that way about you guys. Okay. I do. I appreciate that. I do. Yeah, thank you. I do. No, I really do. And that doesn't mean like any, by any means, everyone in here is perfect with that stuff. But I think they're self-aware enough to recognize their insecurities or the things that have driven them

and have at least a good relationship with it. Which that's where I'm going with this is like, you know, there is- I'm aware of it. I think it would be it. Yeah, there's gotta be some power in, and having utilized it for some good too, you know, I'm saying like you, you knowing that you went through these things,

you've overcome them, you've utilized it to, you're coming from the, everything happens for a reason standpoint. Yes. Yeah, I agree with you. Right. And, and, and feel it that way. Now, but then also becoming aware that that is a major driver, and then that could tip over into an unhealthy relationship with it. And that's what I mean by there has to be this kind of interesting dynamic that you have to almost live in two worlds here of like, I don't wanna go to the,

where I let go of it so much and then I do nothing, but then it happened to me for a reason. Can I use it for good to fuel me to be a better version myself? But then make sure that I don't identify as that's who I am because that thing happened to you. Well, you could also like, you could also turn into a self-absorbed narcissist

like the, what do they call them? The spiritual, what do they call them? Spiritual narcissists or like, you know, I'm so... Self-righteous. Self-righteous. Self-righteous. Self-righteous. Self-righteous. Self-righteous. Self-righteous. Self-yeah, spiritual, yeah. And I'm the whatever. And I'm so great.

And I have all this whatever. And you talk to them, you're like, you're just the narcissist in a different way. You know, so I could see it also being something like, I'm always working on me. And it's about me and my growth. And I'm, you know, what are you doing? You're not working on your growth?

Yeah. I'm so growth, my, you know, that kind of stuff. Like, I could see it going. It's complex, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, it's really interesting. But anyway, I'll recommend to anybody whose like growth mind, it ain't easy. It reminds me of a challenging workout.

You have a challenging workout, you feel sore and stiff and not great, the next day or two, but then you start to get these adaptations and you come out a little stronger. So sorry, I'm so curious about this stuff. I mean, I hope the audience doesn't mind that I'm selfishly prying because we don't get a chance to, when you, when the stuff surfaces, you get it, does she provide you also

with like tools on, hey, when this comes up in life, like whatever it is, I don't know, I'm guessing here. When you're, you know, with your partner or with your family, your parents, or whatever the stuff that triggers it, is there tools or things that she tells you, you know, hey, when that happens, do X, Y, and Z, or... Somewhat, but it's more like this.

It happens automatically. It's more like this. The person who's trained knows how to guide you so that you could do that yourself. And then now, this EMDR isn't like you just do EMDR, then you meet with the person of the day and you do normal talk therapy, whatever. But it's more like, okay, so you guys remember this

at some point as a trainer or a coach. You realize how much more powerful it was to direct your client in a way so they can make the connections themselves versus tell them the connection. Like if you do this, you're gonna feel this way. That is effective as you're finding out yourself. Yeah, well they're like, oh my God, I could sleep better now.

When they make that realization versus you telling them, you're gonna sleep better, it's way more powerful. It's kind of like that. Like a really good practitioner you know, practitioner knows how to guide you, at least that's what it feels like. That way you can kind of make those connections. And is Jessica doing this too or just you? She did before me.

Oh, she did before you. Yeah, she did before me. Oh, I didn't like a long time ago or like recently. No, she did a long time ago. She did so recently too. I guess I could talk about this. You know, I'm sure she'll be okay with me saying this. So we had a really traumatic birth with Aralius.

I talked a little bit about the show, but I don't really go into full details. Really, really traumatic experience. Terrible experience at the hospital. Really tough for her. After that, whenever he would cry, it would trigger this PTSD response with her. Part of it is a long story.

I'm not gonna go into it, but part of it was when she got a C-section that she pulled him out, the doctors were checking him out. He was screaming, she just wanted to hold him, and it plus everything else that happened leading up to that. There was a lot more kind of was part of it. So every time he cried, she'd get this like

visceral, physical reaction. She did like one or two EMDR sessions, solved. Wow. Yeah, solved. Now she gets a normal reaction. When babies cry, everybody gets a reaction. Sure. Nobody likes the sound of a baby's, you're human, but, but which she had before, far better from one or two of these sessions. So she's done it. Interesting. So she's done it before. So she knew about it even before that though. Yeah. Oh, wow.

You know what happened to me was this is how I explained it. It feels like I've had sunglasses on the whole time. And now I took them off. Everything seems a little bit brighter. I don't mean literally like I see more colors, but rather I feel everything. That's that laser's MD. MDA.

That's what that feels like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know as soon as I feel more, I just feel more things. So which means I feel more happiness too, which is kind of cool. Yeah. I was afraid of at first because I don't want to feel the other shit.

I don't like feeling sad. I don't like feeling bad. But if you blunt that, you blunt everything. So now I feel a little bit more. Bit brighter, more vibrant. Everything's a little more vibrant. A little bit more vibrant. That's cool. So anyway, speaking of crazy stuff,

I want to talk about an organization that I want you guys to do this with me. Let's just examine, let's talk about their goal, and then let's talk about how terrible of a job they're doing at achieving their goal. Like whoever, whoever's in charge of PETA, Oh, that's insane. He's an idiot.

Oh, buttlight's fucked. I can't get there. Whoever's in charge of PETA is dumb. They're dumb. Because if, what happened? If PETA's goal is to convert regular people into animal lovers and protectors. They're stupid. Is that their goal? Cause it seems like yeah,

they've just gone completely in the extreme. What am I missing? I'll tell you what you're supposed to do. I'll tell you what you're supposed to do. You know what I mean? More and more, right? Throughout the years, they do stuff. And you're like, what in the hell?

So I feel like they're just talking to each other now. Listen to this post that they did on Facebook. So this is from PETA. If you wouldn't give your kid a cigar, you shouldn't give them meat. That's straight out of the, that's straight out of the, what the hell is stupid documentary?

They're pulling, they're pulling from the same, they pull from the same stupid. Giving your kid a piece of meat, like throwing a cigar in his mouth, like what are you doing, bro? You're only talking to the extreme, animal rights, you know, people, like you're not gonna convert anybody,

if any of you turn people away, with stupid stuff like that. That's so dumb. What a dumb statement. They say stupid shit. You know, I don't know if I, we have a lot of dumb people. Yeah, there's a lot of dumb people.

Way more, you know, every time I think that, like there's more way more than I thought. This is a lot. Now I'm serious. Like we just, we're so easily manipulated. And I think that's such a great example of like, that's how dumb so many of us are like somebody can do that. And then someone's like, really it's that bad. They'll do like one Google search, find something that confirms that bias. And then now they're like, Oh my God, I can't give my kid meeting more. It's just by maize will we'll give him cigars. Like, that's how crazy, like we are.

I feel like there's a lot of people that fall for the first thing that they read or see online today. It's just a weird thing. It's dumb. And along those lines, I'm gonna try and pull this up because Max Lugovier posted about it on his, here it is, okay. This just came out, which I think is amazing.

So the United Nations, food and agricultural organization, obviously they're looking at the whole world, okay? And they make recommendations on nutrition for the whole world. And to my surprise, they actually came out and said, neat eggs and milk, very important for the world, especially for children trying to hit their nutrient needs. So we need to promote the consumption of meat eggs and milk to people. I thought that was, and the reason why I'm surprised is because it feels like there's been propaganda and politics

on the other side pushing kind of baloney. They're only saying that because real soon here you're going to be able to grow it and allow that's why. There's set the table baloney. They're only saying that because real soon here you'll be able to grow it a lab that's why There's set the table bro. They're setting the table. Yeah, by the way Yeah, did you hear on the all-in the guy saying that you that that's becoming a thing you can't say anymore lab-grown meat Why? There's like some look could you lift that up for me Doug? Like the negative connotations around lab saying lab-grown meat that's become like a we don't want to give people Didn't you catch that the way they start? I saw that but the way they were saying something else. No, they were referring to like that that's become like a we don't want to give people didn't you catch that the way they start that but they were saying something else no they were referring to like that's like a like a don't say that anymore because technically not that or it has some sort of like negative connotations to it so

it's like you're weird yeah yeah so maybe you've done confined something well with GMOs a lot of people don't know this with So GMOs, this was a brilliant on this, on this from the side of the GMO companies. When they created genetically modified corn, because it was genetically modified, they could patent it, okay. However, patented products need to be labeled typically as such, but they also wanted it to not be labeled GMO so that way when you bought it it didn't say GMO corn it just said corn it actually went all the way to the supreme court and the winning vote was from a

X Monzanto employee who was a you know a judge so that allowed GMOs to To really permeate the market because when GMOs first came out, I guarantee you consumers would have been more hesitant. If they looked at products and said, wait a minute, what is that? If you're comparing the mapples apples and the grocery store.

And if you modified nothing. What country is it that actually makes that a big deal? There's a country that like, is it Italy? I think they make a big deal. Right out the gates, it was like a big deal. You had to have like a big logo on that. Yeah.

Yeah. So not saying that they're bad, you know, whatever, just that's, you know, they know if it's labeled differently, people are going to be more hesitant. So maybe that's what it is. Maybe they know that saying lab grown meat will make people not want to buy it. That's what I think that's that that was what. Yeah. So I'm not sure exactly the context, which all in was talking about it, but it sounds

like, for example, in Missouri, they're actually prohibiting the use of meat as what you can call it if it's not coming from an animal. So that I don't know if that's the case. I mean, there's all kinds of names for those. Laugh. So grown meat, cultured meat, cell-based meat, clean meat, they call it clean. Hey, how funny is that? Look at all the different names they come up with, so it sounds better.

But they all have meat in the name, and Missouri says, no, you can't do that. Yeah. Maybe they'll spell meat differently. Yeah. M-E-E-T. Yeah. Well, the way that uh, freeberg, freeberg was talking about how they're, how they're, they're doing is really fascinating. Like it's like you basically, you take the cells from, from real meat and then we can replicate that and then continue to, and then you grow it on uh, bacteria or on the meat, and then we can replicate that, and then continue to, and then you grow it on bacteria,

or on the clone it, and then, yeah, grow it in, in petri-dice. And from what it sounds, from the way he describes it to me, where this is different than like GMO foods or things like that, is that it will,

if you were to put both of them in a lab, and test it, it would be the same. It's the same cells. Yeah. That's kind of, one of them in a lab and test it, it would be the same. It's the same cells. Yeah. Only different is one of them had a soul. So it's not. I mean, so any crazy predictions on like,

what do you think that this is gonna be like a new frontier? Is like we find out while there's still some eating souls. Even though they're exactly the same, we're getting for some reason, different responses when it gets digested or in the body. Or so, like, cause there's, there's, we know a lot,

we know a lot, we do know a lot, but we don't know everything. We don't know everything. And so, do you think this will uncover something else that we potentially don't know, or at least uncover that, wow, there's more to this than just the cells and the... I would imagine, yes, but right now, I don't see what it could possibly be because it's

still cells. I know, right? It's still cells. So maybe it would be different because it wasn't exposed to sunlight or... Yeah, but even then you could replicate without that. I don't know. I don't know. How that would modulate the cells or change things.

It's never flexed before. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Environmental factors, I'm sure, that it goes through that we don't even account for. I mean, again, though, if it's being, if it's a, it's a clone, a carbon copy cell on a cellular level, all those things,

the sunlight, the grazing, the flexing, the movie. I got it for you. The sole one is the best one. It's like, this thing doesn't have something about it, which is a little, you know, it's a terrible. Yeah. I mean, honestly, like, yeah, it's like, what if you, okay, and if you are what you eat, right, at a certain point, if you're eating all of this sort of grown meat that hasn't actually lived, like what kind of person you will say it is alive, right? Because it sells. I mean, they'll say that.

So, okay, I got it. I got it. They'll always say that. There are epigenetic changes and things that happen to the body of animals and people through experience and through life. So if the experience and the life of this meat is just an allaboratory, I would imagine

there has to be differences that we have yet to understand how to elaborate. I would imagine there has to be differences that we have yet to understand how to measure. I would imagine. Isn't that commercial? Yeah. Our milk comes from happy cows. Yeah. That's it.

So we don't get that experience anymore. Hahaha. Wow. Wow. Yeah. You know, happy cows make more milk, don't they? Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. Oh yeah.

I mean, going like well, yeah, I know if you yeah, I mean go in like well, yeah, no, I fear if a Animal has been sick injured stressed. I mean it absolutely go in like when you use the milk and like pet them a little. Oh, yeah, no, I play certain music forum You call by the name you rubble in a certain way. Music was the most of the country Country music. I mean, it's definitely just for the four o'clock in the morning. You cannot play Pantera Dude fucking cows do not Yeah, they don't like milk the rest right up Yeah, you know, Shania Twain is you know, I'm saying that one story really yeah, yeah, and it was their speakers

I'm old. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you would you would walk in just turn it up Mm-hmm, but blast it because you also wouldn't want it like obnoxiously loud to where They have the the humming of the machines going with some light country music in the background and good massaging and You like you know you rub their udders and you rub their side and they're you know the utter yeah, wow That's crazy. Well, they so the cow if the cow is stressed it won't even release the milk so that I can use tell in the utter Oh, yeah, you can see it. So like, it's like a shriveled udder.

Yeah, it goes. Not like so much the average person could tell, I can tell because I've seen it so much. So you can see it, it's like it's, and then when it drops down. So when you dip their teats in iodine and the iodine, if there's something in it. Well, that's to keep it clean.

Well, that's to keep, but it doesn't just do that. Like the process of doing that settles them in it. Well, that's to keep it clean. Well, that's to keep, but it doesn't just do that. Like the process of doing that, settles them down, and then they, and about a minute later, they release. Is it like a bowl of iodine, or do you have like a little? It sits on these little cups that are, then you squeeze the cup, and it sucks up the iodine in there, and then you dip, dip, dip, and then you,

and then you make your rounds, and then by the time you come back around, they're ready to go. They're ready to go. Wow. Unless they're throwing you through it. And that's how you always know like something potentially is going on. And so we would, so all the cows have numbers, right?

So let's say I did all the normal process and I come back and for some reason this cow was not, I would, I would write that down. 412 today was off. And so then the, the farmer knows to go and check on 4-12 and many times you find out they had some gut issue going on or they weren't eating very much that day or something's wrong with them. Now when you milk the tea, do you just like, I imagine you start at the top and squeeze it down? No, it's not. There's a technique. I was just going to say, if you took someone who's never done it before, I feel like you're just, they'll sit there and do this and then you'll walk over and go, those are jerking off and they're going to work. Yeah, it doesn't work. I feel like you're just sitting there and do this and then can't get it out. And then you'll walk over. Those are jerking off and it's gonna work.

Yeah, it doesn't work. So what do you do? You gotta, it's like a, it's like so weird, right? So you roll it through your, your fingers and then squeeze at the bottom like that. Boom, it comes out of there and it comes out. That's so crazy. Speaking of how music affects you, which is thank you for that transition. I got you. Yeah. So there was this concert in LA and it was with like the full harmonic or whatever. It's like, this is all this dude. Okay. So they're playing Chikowski and I guess like the vibe was really people were getting

into it, especially this one lady. Okay. So this, this, they got to the crescendo. It's kind of like building up suspension and then they hear audibly this lady really enjoying the music. And it got more louder, more audible. She was literally having an orgasm in the audience.

You can watch it. You can watch it. And she's just, oh, like going and everybody at the end is just like clapping. Like, so hot. So she had an orgasm. Yeah, and it was loud. Yeah, it was a loud orgasm.

You can hear it. There's chakowski. There's videos of it. Like the orchestra's playing here. Oh, I don't know, cool it off. I mean, I mean, I imagine if you was alive here, so what do you think you think there's a bit of that or like her playing into that

and like her wanting that type of attention like or that. Because don't you feel like if you know that you... So she's like, she's trying. Or maybe like her husband was like, you know, she had one of those like things on her and she was like playing on his like app. Well, you remember when I remember when we first started

looking like before I knew who Wim Hof was and started like we did like a deep dive on them well before we interviewed them and stuff like that. I remember people like saying that just from the breathing techniques that they would have orgasms. What do you mean, hold on a second, you guys have had a client do a coregasm, right? Have you guys ever had that?

Coregasm? Coregasm. No, I didn't teach that. I mean, you have to teach it. This is the dark part of the thing. So phase one, phase one, we're gonna work on something. That was a stability. I was just trying to find you.

I was trying to find you. I know you're lying to the coregasm. You never had a female client say ability I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying

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I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying I was trying you don't have to train for a while, they're comfortable with you. Like this one makes me feel kind of like when I do this exercise, that's happened for. We were the she looking at your eyes. No, it's a little too much.

No, bro, you guys, I told you guys to to me off air. I mean, no, I don't think so. I don't like that. Anyway, it's a real thing. Look it up. Chlorgasm. I do know it's a real thing, because of the pelvic floor muscles.

And the core, when they're activated, doing certain exercises, it can actually trigger what feels like it's going to happen. I'd like to get a survey going with that. How built up do you have to be like that? That's like a, you gotta be huge sigh. Like, oh, you are not getting it enough at home. No, actually, that's false.

I think if you're not getting enough, it can be harder. There it is, right there. Here it is, expanded orgasms, exercise induced orgasm. Most often reached through core workouts, they spread to your lower belly and legs. They feel very different from a vaginal orgasm, most often reached through core workouts, they spread to your lower belly and legs. They feel very different from a vaginal orgasm and are more similar to a literal orgasm. Wow. Guys are so lucky.

Yeah. I know our next maps program. Yeah, we're going to write the dark, dark arts maps program. Every time my wife and I have sex, I think without a time like, you get like 15 of these things. I get sex. I think about how I'm like 15 of these things like you want that is a major Adam's pretend story but it's actually a brag yeah yeah

like my wife so exhausted I get a war like 85 or you know meanwhile takes me long time to go forever you know anyway but it's a real thing.

Yeah. So yeah, so if you see, if there's muscles that could cause it, there's a part of the brain that's close to the part of the brain that controls orgasms. Apparently, it's similar to sneezing, so there's been people who have had like a brain injury or head trauma, then they sneeze and have an orgasm. Can you sneeze with your eyes open? No, your eyes will come out of your head. That's what I heard.

No, I'm just kidding. But you can't, I don't think you can. Yeah, no. I don't think you can either. No, I'm gonna try it next time. I'm just, I haven't looked at you. You don't get to get stuck. Yeah, I've heard it's impossible

to sneeze in your sleep, too. So that's another thing. That would be way, that's so weird. Have you ever seen that happen? Never happened. Sneeze in your sleep? Yeah, some of sneez sneezing their sleep. It doesn't happen, dude.

No, I think I have sneezing in my sleep. I think I've woke myself up from sneezing. No, I think so. Yeah, Oscar Trina, she would know better than I would. Hey, are you? I'll stand the music thing. Hold on, so yeah, keep going, sorry. Yeah, because there was a little fun fact,

this tiny fact, real time, because it's a termite. And so, I don't know where I'm going with this. Um, so termites basically their productivity, they did like some weird messed up study where they played rock music when they're like working and everything and it doubled their work. What does it say? Wait, wait, termites are working. They work harder. What do they do?

Two times harder. They chew up things. They chew things and they build things. Yeah, okay. What do they do? Two times harder. They chew up things. They chew things. They build things. Yeah. Okay. So I'm thinking. You can't chew. What do you mean? I you consider that work? They're like, Oh, the termites are at work today. For them. Huh? I was like, they made little computers for me. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So that's I'm so wrong. The music works. It works. And I and I experience this. So if it works for termites, you know, maybe we should experiment chew on wood. Yeah. Did you ever you guys ever seen those studies on So rock music works. It works. And I experience this. So if it works for termites, maybe we should experiment.

Chew on wood. Did you guys ever seen those studies on spiders when they give them different drugs in the spider webs that they make? Yeah. Oh yeah, it's hilarious. They'll be like a normal spider, like a normal spider and it'll make a web.

Like a math that's all over the place. Yeah, like a spider on caffeine, a spider on math, a spider on a ste, a spider on weed. Unweed is like just barely like lazy as real. No way. Is that true? Yeah. caffeine, a spider on meth, a spider on a honesty, a spider on weed. I don't love to see that. It's like just barely like lazy as rude. No way. Is that true?

Yeah. Oh, a Doug show me this. That was it. That's a fact of psychedelics on spider webs. Yes. Or there you go. See, that's pictures right there. Does it have the, does it have a?

Oh, yeah, caffeine, normal marijuana. Oh my god. Pull it up. Let me see. Oh my god, that's hilarious. Yeah. Super lazy with their own marijuana. Look, it can even complete it. hilarious. Yeah, super lazy when they're on the wall. I look at you, you can't even complete it.

Yeah. He started off well. Yeah. And he went to go eat something. And caffeine's all disjointed. Yeah, caffeine is actually disjointed. Isn't that great? Wow.

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Isn't that weird? It is weird. I mean, obviously affects them. You know what I'm saying? This was in 1948. Wow. Oh wow. Can we do this again?

Yeah. I mean, I was like, on my own like, scientists, to grown up with spiders especially. Speaking of animals that work, you know what? Animals trip me out, beavers. Isn't that weird? They build like dams and shit. Like they actually know how to make them

with their tails. I don't find that that fascinating. Isn't that weird? No, not really. Really? You really think that's really that like? I mean, I've never seen them in real life. So I've just seen cartoons.

I don't think exactly. Yeah, I don't think exactly. Is it like that? Yeah, it's never seen him in real life, so I've just seen cartoons. I don't think that's exactly it. Is that like that? Yeah, it is. Hey, are you falling, sorry, to the hard transition here, but I wanted to ask you, are you falling, what's going on?

You know the Fed just moved up another 25 basis. Good God. Are you, what is your family saying? Is that your family so? I'm gonna talk about banks going down. That is a concern. That's, I don't wanna hear you dub, dub over here like Mr. Silver and Gold.

Look, he's got a built-of-house in the silver gold by now. He's a Sprat. He's a leprechaun. We should invest in houses. He's like, fuck down. I'm going to build a house on a silver gold. Listen. I'm going to live underground.

He's got a pot of gold at home. He is like a leprechaun, dude. All right, so no, what bank was it that just got hammered? Another bank got hammered. Yeah, it was. SPC. No, no, no, no. The first federal or something like that. SVC is SB, SS, SS, whatever. But another one got hit. I know that first republic.

Boy, we're there's so many of them. I mean, it's hard to keep track now. I'm going through all my even help you out. So, you know, I'm talking to my buddy Chris. I think Chris comes to the bank. Next week will be great, because I know we have Chris coming in next week, so we'll be able to chat with him.

I know that he's like, just been stressed the fuck out. And you know what he tells me is so stressful, is less about like the interest rates of that, but it's the reaction. So here's the bank's that. So he's like, when I talked to him, he's more angry about the way they're reporting about it. Because the articles, just like you guys are saying,

I know, I want people running the bank. Got everybody all alarmist that these banks are gonna collapse. And so the run on the banks is what's scariest, than anything else. Everyone's like the books are gone. Oh, pack West. Oh, it's pack West.

Pack West, yeah. That was different than what I thought. Pack West, that must be another one. They're books are on. Oh, pack west. Oh, it's pack west. Pack west, yeah. That was different than what I thought. Yeah, pack west. That must be another one. They're getting hammered. It is another one. Yeah, they're getting hammered.

They're going down, dude. Every time they do this, they're making it so that the banks, however they operate it, becomes, makes them insolvent. I can't do it anymore. It's many other banks. And many other banks, right? These aren't happening to any big major banks. Not yet.

See, sometimes it, yeah, but sometimes I feel like that it's it won't instead of during cooots, right? Like the big banks just taking out their competition. Totally. I know. That's crazy. So what go back to what what is your family saying? I'm always curious about that. So they think that that there's going to be this collapse. What are they doing then? Well, they're where they were. Is there money tied up? That's a good. A lot of them are shorting some of these banks. So they're making money on the way down. But they're, I mean, they're all saying, look, what they're doing now stupid, what they need to do is cut government spending dramatically, rather than doing what they're doing, which is

they're trying to hammer growth by creating more unemployment and by basically basically they're trying to literally, they admit it, they said that they're trying to crush the economy to control inflation. That's what they said. And there's gonna be constant, there's gonna be- I like that, let's see. You know what, put that down as our, W, have you ever, so this is where I get a lot of my information.

What? The Norda. Norda? Norda? Is it Norda or Naurata? There's a name there. Yeah, reference that for our plug today, because when I talk a lot about real estate stuff like that, the Norda. Norda? Norda? Is it Norda or Naurata? There's a name there. Yeah, reference that for our plug today.

Because when I talk a lot about real estate stuff like that, I love the articles that they have in here. Dude, I got to tell you guys a fun story. I was driving the other day and this dude, they still exist, right? People who take cars that are a little older, smaller, and they modify the shit out of them just so they can race people. Yeah. I'm driving, right? And I was punching it a little bit, kind of having fun.

And in front of me, was like a 19, it was probably, like, look like a 96 BMW 3 series, but it looked like it was maxed the shit. Like, you could tell, right? Like, it was just, and I kind of pull it behind them, and then I go next to them, and then he takes off. I'm I'm like oh this dude wants to race a little bit right so then we hit a stop light I look over Asian dude really cool guy smiles at me and he kind of gives me the head nod I'm like all right let's do this right so we take off the light and you know I I was a

little ahead of them but this dude stood was like right next to me which you gotta be pretty fast to be able to do that so So then we raised the rolling star. I don't know what he had in this car. It was small, but he must have had it. I heard this thing, must have had 500 plus horsepower in it in this tiny little, and he was, I mean, did he get you? No, he didn't, but he could stay with me.

And it was impressive in itself. Very impressive. Really cool guy too. He was all tied it up dude. He was kinda, you know, and that I had to turn to whatever you know Yeah, yeah head not waver whatever like That's ice care people they go they pull up the stoplight that I pull up your clip This guy's a dork

Do you remember when you were younger and you would race somebody, it was like you couldn't smile at them like. Oh yeah, no, it was all serious. Now in your older like, this is fun. Why we gotta hate each other? Yeah, no, it is that. Like you can just be like, hey, the head nod, little piece on. Now when you're a kid, you're like, yeah, you should probably fight.

Do girls ever do that? Do you know any girls that do that? Race? Yeah, never hung. What is it about us that like why is it stupid? We're stupid. Yeah, that's the up. That's just looking for a better answer. I mean, it's pure dumb. I'm sure they exist. There's zero

reason for us to do that. You know, circling back to the, the economy talk a little bit. So the collapse. Well, you know, the part that is really so I'm on the other end, right? So you you talked to more the the banking and investor side with your family. So what that I'm constantly talking to all of our real estate agents and brokers and stuff like that on that side. And the fricking housing market is not, it's not tanking like it should be. It got hit a little bit. Not only that, but it's like, it trended up.

A lot of our properties are starting to go back up again, which is crazy. Weird. It's so, so weird to me. And there are real assets. I again, which is crazy. Weird. It's so, so weird to me. And there are real assets. I mean, you're right. That's, that's, that's, and because there still isn't a over, over, over supply, we're still considered

under supply. And even though they're through the roof, even though interest rates saw an article of the day about somebody with 740 credit what their mortgage would have been just you know two or three seconds. Oh wait, hold on a second. Did you guys see that? With the new, you have a credit score above 740.

Yes. You have to pay an extra fee to subsidize the mortgage as you know that. That's what I heard that. So it makes sense for us to ruin our credit. You know what? What a weird shit. You know punished people that are doing the right thing. It's so fun.

You know why it's messed up? Here's why it's messed up. It's all an equity play, bro. Yes. You know how stupid people are, okay? You're right. Remember when we said earlier people are stupid? Yeah.

Okay. This is why it's so stupid. People are like, oh, rich people should pay more. There's a lot of not rich people who did a good job. Yeah. With good credit scores. My parents were immigrants. They had no money. They had great credit because they were responsible. They never With good credit scores. My parents were immigrants. They had no money.

They had great credit because they were responsible. They never defaulted on anything and they didn't buy things they couldn't afford. So you're gonna hammer people with good credit. You're not hammering at rich people or whatever, you're literally just everybody that's doing what they're supposed to. You're gonna make them pay for the ship butts

that do what they're not supposed to. You provide opportunities everywhere you can if people decide to not take advantage and be shitty about it, that's their problem. Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah, Doug, Google example of 740 credit mortgage right now with new, like something like that. It's another, it'll pop up.

It's another like $1,500 fee or something. Probably it was a, it was a crazy difference and it was really, I think it's just a fee though. I don't think it's the actual rate. It's a fee, you pay an extra fee. No, you get your rate is worse. The rate, too? Yes, your rate is worse.

So every month you're paying more? Yes, every month, that's not true. Oh yeah, I'm sure. So this is compared to somebody with a lesser score? Or just back? No, do this instead, say, people with 7, 40 credit score more pays more for mortgages. That's it. And then you'll get the right article.

I think it's just an extra fee, bro. I'm not positive, but I think that's what it is. I don't think it's like you have to pay. Here it is. Score between seven times a day will pay more under the new rule. For example, someone with a seven 40 score puts 5% down with seeing an increase of about $1500. I think that's the fee though. No, dude.

This is like $1500 for the year. That's how that would be. Oh my god. Yes, bro. It's monthly. That's even worse than I thought. Yes, it's terrible. Unreal.

Wow. So, I feel this. You know what might be a smart idea then. Let's say your credit score is at like $750. Oh no,. So is this. You know what might be a smart idea then. Let's say your credit score is at like 750. Oh no, tank it on purpose. Tink it a little bit. Like buy a-

So weird though. Like get a subscription to Alhambra water and then don't pay it for a few months. Yeah, I know, that'll lower your credit score for a second. Yeah. Don't pay your membership fee or something like that. I don't know, it's just why it's wild to me that in this- That's weird. With all this going on, the banks all appear

so that Doug's point is right, right? It's an asset. So like people are like, What does that say Doug? Is that it? Yeah. So basically it's saying that people with higher credit scores will start paying higher mortgage fees

while those with lower credit scores will pay less. Makes a lot of sense. That makes sense. It's so stupid. That doesn't make any sense. By the way, the reason why people are like, do it, it does make sense for the banks, by the way. This is so the banks can give more loans out to people with less or credit and incentivize those people. That's the whole idea of this. By the way, by the way, okay,

real quick. Here's why this is a terrible idea all the way around. First off, you're punishing people who are responsible, not rich, just responsible people. Number two, you're gonna give loans to people who probably shouldn't be getting them in the first place. Okay, the reason why you pay more for fees or the reason why you don't get a loan and your credit score is low is because the risk is too high. So what's gonna happen is we have more people get loans who shouldn't get them, which means that the odds of default is much higher,

which means we could have another 2008 and a few things before. Well, so my theory on it is that they're doing that, but they, I think they've already calculated where their sweet spot is. Like, let's move in that direction, but let's not go as extreme as we did before. Not these neygams and no, no dock type of like loans. Yeah, let's predict it because they're good at that, right? I mean, that's, yeah. That's where I think they're moving though is trying to go in that direction

so they can get all of these subprime loans. Here's the template hat. So we gotta put those on real quick. I'm hearing more and more people say that the goal, the purpose of all this insanity is to literally destroy the paper dollar because they're going to make it so that the banks collapse, so that paper money is worthless.

Major crisis. Here we go everybody, we're gonna save you by introducing this digital dollar So that the banks collapse so that paper money is worthless major crisis Here we go everybody we're gonna save you by introducing this digital dollar and then the enticing part is gonna be We're gonna wipe out debt for all these people over here and everyone's gonna jump aboard. That's that's the the conspiracy theory Do you know how that would you be if that they do that? You didn't go rack up a bunch of debt before. This is a case where we're going out buying. Yeah, punishing those people who are careful. Well, what happens when inflation runs rampant or dollars collapse is something like that, where you think that the cost of something

is gonna be twice as much tomorrow. And what happens is people go out and buy everything they possibly can today. Yeah. Because I better get this TV, I better get this car, I better get everything I can, because tomorrow it's gonna be so much more expensive and then that just makes it happen even faster.

Well, I mean, that's the Peter Schiff's theory is that we're gonna be like, he's talking. Like Venezuela? Yeah, great depression, crazy. Like worse than great depression and stuff like that. That we're just, again, continuing to keep, but I mean, that guy's been crying, you know, depression for 30 years now.

Yeah, so. Has it been 30? It's been a long time, he's been saying it for at least 20, I think, is he's been, some point he might be right. Yeah, it's just scary. Crazy. Anyway, let's talk about Caldera for a second. Can we, did you ask if we could talk

about the news thing? Yeah, yeah, we're good. We can't talk about the new thing. We're good to go. They got soap, bro. Pull it up, what? Yes, I love it too. I've been using it for over a month now.

I haven't been able to talk about it because they hadn't released it yet. So is it, what's so good about it? The thing that it doesn't matter. What? Smells great. No, it does smell great. But the thing that doesn't matter

is what I like most about it ironically. What does it matter? It lathers, like better than any soap bar I've ever had in my life. Oh, oh. Really? Yes, it lathers better than. See you in a nice thick foamy.

It lathers better than any soap bar I've ever used in my life. You guys use luffa. And it smells great. And it's a big bar for like, I hate like when you get soap. I'm not even halfway through my bar. I've had it for over a month. I've been using it. So you know, you get a bar of soap and it's like,

it just dissolves. Like this one's sometimes. Oh, will you leave it? And by the time you get taking a shower. Yeah, so here's it. But there's always like a, there's always a takeaway for things that are natural and stuff like that. It's like you get something that's better for your skin

and natural, then you go and use it and the shit, like three washes turns away to dissolves. Because it's all natural. Doesn't have all these weird preservatives and chemicals in it to sustain it longer. But this thing actually, it's a big bar, it lasts a long time. Does it dry your skin? No, it's great on my skin.

What are the ingredients, Doug, does it say? Yeah, so it has coffee oil. I mean, just, they're a little pitch on this, it's a remarkably rich lather that won't dry out your skin. And so, so it's like a thick foam. You know, sometimes lathering, it doesn't even come, I've never had a bar soap,

even come close to lathering like this. Really? Yes. Okay. Well, that's experience, right? That's a good experience. So. Yeah, I know.

I know the lat, like there's like toothpaste. I know the foam doesn't matter. But there's something about that that I just like. I mean, straight up, when we worked with Dr. Squatch, I really liked their stuff. I know we still have some of their stuff at some of our other properties. I know you guys, I think still use some of their stuff. So I've been waiting for a brand that I've liked as much as that, just straight up,

we haven't found someone. And the fact that Caldera came out with a bar soap, I was like, oh, hell, he is pleased, let this be good. And it's badass. All right, okay. I'm in. All right, you do smell good. Thank you. Shout out today, if you right. All right. You do smell good.

Thank you. Shout out today if you didn't have one. You go ahead. You're going to shout out that page. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out that. Is it considered a blog?

What is it considered? What is it? What is it? What is it? It's in O-R-D-R-A. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Oh, boy, I don't know. Oh, yeah, it's an acronym. I'm pretty sure. But Really, so when you're when you're doing homework on the the economy and real estate and stuff like that one of the one of the hardest things is to parse out all the bias Dependions that are people are saying things and then you find out like oh that will they represent this, you know a mortgage company Oh, they wrote and so so they, they're way of presenting the information

seems very bias where that's one of the most unbiased, full pieces of content. And I actually don't know a lot of why or where it comes from or who produces it, but over my last few years of really diving deep in the real estate side, it's where I end up pulling a lot of good, good, I think, unbiased content from it.

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Our first caller is James from Tennessee. James is happening. How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? Good, man. Good to hear it. I just wanted to give you a quick plug for the maps. Prime bundle. It was a martial artist training to mix martial arts for most of my teens and 20s. I'm between, you know, practices and training camps and sparring and competition. I had a lot of wear and tear in my lips on my body for someone my age and kind of had just accepted that you know pain in my knees and hits in my shoulders which is going to be a part of my life. But started listening to you guys and heard you guys you know kind of talking about priming and gave that program and a try and it

took a while. It was about eight or nine months of really consistently integrating that into my daily routine, but really hitting the zone one and zone three movements every single day for about eight or nine months. And, you know, I'm drawing pain free most nights and most mornings and my mobility is as good as it's ever been. So awesome. Good luck. I'm going to recommend that more. Hell yeah. That's great to hear. Ask for my question. I'm assuming you guys can see it or maybe you've seen it already. So I'm not going to read it for beta., but really I was hoping you guys might share some of you, you know, the factors that you guys consider when you're, you know, trying to decide if you should stay focused on your current fitness and health goals, or maybe if it's kind

of scale back or change directions. I've always kind of benefited from being, you know, pretty meticulous and strategic in the way I set goals and set a plan of action for tackling those goals. But I've listened to you guys recently talking a lot about being flexible and trying to adapt your training to your life circumstances. And that's kind of made me reflect a little bit. And I've been kind of thinking that there are times when I think I get tunnel vision on what I'm trying to accomplish and it might be ignoring or not recognizing some of those internal and external cues that maybe what I'm doing as an optimal or maybe in some cases even harmful.

So I was hoping you guys might share some of the factors that you guys kind of weigh in that decision-making process and maybe how often you guys kind of revisit that decision-making process and this is what that looks like for you all in general. Good question. So, so there's two, I'll answer generally, but then I'll answer something more specific to you. So, generally, if somebody were to ask me that, I would say, and this is what I try to do for myself,

there's a few things I look at. One is, what do I enjoy doing? Because there's value in that, right? How does my body feel? There's value in that. And then, does my body feel? There's value in that. And then are there signs that my body is telling me that I need to change gears because this may not be so good for me.

Things like joint pain, inflammation, movement issues, signs of over-training, something like that. So that's kind of extension of the second one, right? Like what is my body telling me? But the first one's important too, which is what I like to do because there's value in doing something that you enjoy. Now to be more specific to you, based off of what you said,

you trained and competed as a mixed martial artist for a long time. I'm assuming the reason why you're asking this question is because you're having a tough time transitioning from competitor to coach or teacher or not necessarily training like a competitor because training as a competitor and mixed martial arts, sometimes oftentimes I should say you ignore your body.

You have to, you're gonna fight, I don't know anybody that ever goes into a match that has zero injuries or zero pain. It's almost never happens. So you've trained that way for so long, it's probably hard for you to kind of figure that out now as you maybe started transitioning into something a little bit different.

Am I hitting the nail on the head? Is this kind of what's happening for you? Yeah, so that was tricky at first. I transitioned to coaching free pandemic. So kind of step away from competition, um, went to grad school and kind of realized that, you know, repeated brain trauma probably isn't good for a free path. I'm trying to get the brain. So I always kind of enjoyed the coaching side of it more anyhow.

Um, it's less physically taxing, probably more emotionally taxing, but, you know, I really enjoyed that challenge and was still still competitive and I was still, you know, competing with my students. So it was actually a lot of fun to see if what I was teaching was working because they'd, you know, start kicking my butt. So that transition was difficult, but I was able to maintain some of that competition just within the practice room, but then also seen if what I was working, you know, as a coach was working in the room for my students, um, at one of the pandemic hit, you know, I kind

of that forced my hand a little bit to switch gears a little bit. And then I actually just recently relocated with my family for my career. So I'm living in Knoxville, Tennessee now away from my gym and all that. So that's actually been a pretty hard transition for me, not having that kind of outlet. So I'm not coaching anymore, and I'm not training in that way anymore. I'm still, you know, am a martial artist, still practice that craft,

especially on my, you know, more rest days and recuperative days. But I've had a kind of transition into, okay, now I'm just gonna focus on strength and mobility work. I never really had the luxury of strength training, so I've actually really enjoyed that process. I was competing at 135, so I was walking around at 155, which was a pretty brutal wake cut, but I couldn't really ever afford to put on too much more muscle mass. And now I've put on 30 pounds mostly the right way.

So I've enjoyed that challenge. Really, I think the physical signs of the last thing I noticed, and I think that's kind of you're hitting that. I don't really know if I'm a good gauge of what is too much stress or a good gauge of pain, or actually, is because I've got a pretty high threshold for those things. So it's usually like when my body, I think Adam refers to as like your body revolting on you. It's usually when that happens. When I wake up one morning, they're shooting pain up my side, and then I kind of reflect on it. I'm like, oh, yeah, And I've kind of been adrift to my kid

and not really communicating with my wife. And you know, I could start into like hit me that, oh, maybe a lot has been going on. And I just kind of had my bliners on and didn't really pay attention to those signals. Yeah, so that makes a lot of sense. You've developed a relationship with, good awareness, but.

Yeah, exercise and pain, that served you well for a long time. But now it's tough because you're, like you said, and a lot of people might not understand this. But when you train at that level, your relationship to pain has to change. But then later on, it's hard for you to gauge what's appropriate because you just, you perceive it differently. It means something different to you than to the average person. So my advice to someone like you would be to follow a structured program until you rewire

or change that relationship. Because if I tell you to listen to your body, what's probably going to happen is you're probably going to always slowly veer towards overdoing it. Like you're going to kind of just push yourself too. Because based off of how that relationship you have with exercise and pain, that's gonna feel comfortable, it's like home for you. So I'm gonna tell you, follow a structured program

for a while until you kind of change that relationship. I think the perfect program for someone like you's math performance. I think you'll love it. It's a perfect combination of strength, mobility, athleticism, I think it's gonna give you everything that you're looking for and it allows you to be in the gym, five days a week.

Maintain that functional skill and strength. That's cool. So you can get back into, weave back into martial arts and kind of move your body at that high of a level still, but also get the benefits of all the strength training and go through that. I think that's a great recommendation for you.

I really like the, I don't know, what is Jason call his little triangle thing that he uses analogy? I use that a lot now. longevity performance. So you have longevity performance and aesthetics, right? So if you represent, those represent a triangle. And dead center is the perfect balance.

And at most times in our life, we're rarely ever dead center. We tend to move in a direction towards one more than the other. But it takes you away from the other. But what you hit, well, I like that as a visual is, as you move towards, let's say, performance is at the top part of the triangle, as you move towards performance in that direction,

you start to move away from longevity and potentially aesthetics. And as you move towards aesthetics, you move from the other two. And so I like that as a visual and to constantly be kind of checking in with yourself Where are you at in that triangle in your fitness journey currently and then being honest with yourself like oh wow I've been really in this performance direction for a long time Let me choose a program or let me build a routine that's more longevity focused and I'm gonna I'm gonna really shift my training,

my thought process around exercise and taking care of myself in the longevity way. And then you go that way for a while and you realize, oh wow, I've really moved in that direction. I've started to lose some of my performance. I love so much or I like to look a little bit better. And so let me move over on that. And so I really like that as a good visual for yourself.

And then to just kind of be checking back in like where you add in that triangle, recognizing that dead center is probably the most perfect balanced place you can be for overall health and a little bit of everything and then being honest with yourself, where have I been lately knowing that I'm pulling away from the other two a little bit?

Do you have mass performance by the way, James? I do not. I just have the prime bun on then, Matt's in a ballack and I'm really just alternating basically every three months from a strength focus to a performance and mobility focus. But my performance program is kind of just what I used to do as a mixed martial artist

which probably is at the most healthy name. Bro, you'll love mass performance. You will absolutely love it. And that's now a perfect, Yeah, now that's a perfect blend What you already do you're on the right track what you're doing I like what I hear right now and then you add into the mix Maths performance and you've got a nice little rotation of training right there. Yeah, you'll like it We'll send that to you follow it follow it. I think you're gonna fall in love with the program

I appreciate that guys. You got it, man You know, I like about I learned this and when I did you jizy but you know I love about mixed martial art You know people who trained that way is you never know who could kick the shit at you Like it looks like a such a nice guy you mean on the street. Oh nice guy. He kicked your ass No, you know this this really does highlight. I would say of all of us You probably know this the most Justin, because you compete at the highest level,

you develop this relationship to pain, and challenge and physical exertion. What I mean by relationship is like, you perceive it different. Then when you try and back out of that, everything feels like it's too easy. I just didn't feel right. I'm supposed to feel pain.

I'm supposed to beat myself up. You almost seek it out. I mean, and that's what you kind of learn to focus on because of that mental discipline that you're applying as an athlete in a performance setting. I want to experience what's going to make me uncomfortable and pain is part of that process. And you know that on the other side of that is like a higher level that I can achieve. But when you step out of that and you look at it and you assess like how well it's been doing for your body, that's really with the conversation that's completely

different. And for him to kind of shift more into that conversation with himself, it's always challenging, but it's going to be so beneficial for him going forward. That's why I really like that triangle It does illustrate it really it does really really good and I feel like even if you're not like a you Someone who programs or can write a program or so if you can get an idea of like you know, okay If that's the three the three points of the triangle. It's pretty easy to assess. Okay, where have I been? Mo mostly and if you're like, actually when I think about it, I've never really moved in those directions.

So that means I'm probably at one extreme or the other. And so, I really like that as an idea for people to kind of check back with themselves and be honest of where have you been focused on. And, you know, the ideal place is somewhere in the middle, even though- You don't have to stay in the middle. Because you never really are in the middle, right?

Let's be- Yeah, you're never in the middle. I don't want you like more than another. Yeah, and so, but trying to never be in one direction too long and that's how you kind of create that healthier balance with exercise. Yeah, you know, here's another good analogy. You know, the highest performance cars and competitions, Formula One and drag racing, whatever. They have to fix those cars almost after every single race. They blow something out almost every single time. Then you look at cars that last the longest on the road and they're far from the highest performance,

they're far from the fastest, right? So it's just like that for your body. You push your body to an extreme level with exercise. You are well being on longevity. You are now at the point where it's not healthy, but you're performing at a high level, that can be a hard switch. I think that's what people like James experienced.

Well, using that analogy, staying with that analogy, why that is is because you are used to racing a car at 170 miles an hour, so driving at 90 feels slow to you. And so now I'm driving at 65. Which is where you're supposed to be right So that's my point. It's like you're you're no you're supposed to be cruising around 65 But you're so you're you're 65 feels like 170 and so trying to get somebody You've trained yourself to perceive it that way for so long you have to kind of untrain yourself

Our next caller is Susanna for Florida Susanna, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey y'all, well first of all, thank you so much for taking my question. I truly trust and respect all three of you and so I appreciate you taking the time to kind of help me see what's going on here. I also want to say that I appreciate everything you do. I've struggled with body image issues for my entire life, and you all have started my journey on overcoming those. I really, really appreciate that. It's been one of the biggest blessings.

I appreciate all in everything you do. Thank you. That's great to hear. Okay, so I'll get started with my question. I'm going to be reading it off from a screen, but in the big picture, I'm relatively new in my fitness journey. Thankfully, my husband introduced me to Y'all two years ago, and I've been an avid listener ever since and truly become a fitness nuttick. I started focusing more on strength training when I found you all and have been following some of your programs on and off for like the last year and a half.

In early February, I decided to hire a personal trainer for a few reasons, one to help me with my technique, two to push me. I don't think I was progressively overloading well. And then also to fine tune my nutrition. So after talking with her, we decided that my goals were probably to cut down and start leaning out, heading into summer, that's what I was hoping for. So in February, that was the very, very first week of February.

We did a body scan and it calculated that my total daily energy expenditure is about 2,300 calories. So because my goals were to cut down, I was advised to eat in a 500 calorie deficit. So I did that and I've been sticking to it religiously. Two weeks ago we did another scan, which would be almost two and a half months since the first one. And the results were a three pound increase in muscle mass, which I was excited about, a one pound loss of fat,

which increased my total weight, two pounds. But there was a 0% change in body fat percentage. So a few questions based off of that. How trustworthy are these scans? Is it a reliable form of evaluation for myself? Can you help me make sense of what is happening versus what should be happening with what I'm doing? And what is your advice moving forward with the goals that I have?

Okay, great question. Lots of good stuff here. It's very good. Okay, so how reliable are they? They're reliable to look at when you're trying to determine trends. They're not reliable when you're trying to get an exact number of how much fat or muscle you've gained or lost with one test. Or technically how many calories you should be eating.

Definitely not when it comes to calories. Definitely not. They're gonna give you a general estimate, but boy, someone your age and activity level, I've met people whose caloric intake could be a thousand calories up or down depending on the individual. So the way I would like to,

the way I know that my co-host here like to determine someone's caloric intake, is by having them track for a while, and whether if they gained or lose what loss weight or stayed the same, then we'll determine what their baseline is based off of that. Okay. So not saying that this isn't a good starting point,

but it's a very general estimate, and it's not gonna give you any specifics with calories. But yeah, as far as gaining and losing, what you want to do is you want to do repeated tests every two to four weeks and then notice a trend. If it's moving upward with body fat or downward after several tests, you know that, okay, the trend is showing that I'm gaining body fat or I'm losing body fat or I'm building muscle or I'm losing muscle. Now it can become more reliable.

But I also like to combine it with other signals. Like for example, in that period of time, how was your strength in the gym? Did it go up, down or stay the same? It went up a lot. A lot, okay. Then I would probably believe that you gained that muscle that it says.

If you saw significant strength gains, then I would agree that it's probably accurate. The other thing is, you know, your body weight went up a little bit because you built more muscle than you lost body fat. But those scans, they have a tougher time measuring water weight and subtracting that from lean body mass. They do to an extent, but it's again, it can be, there can be a little bit off here or there.

How did you close fit? How did you look in the mirror where people like your husband or people you trust saying things like, oh my god, you look like, yeah, because I used to get this all time of clients where the weight doesn't change on the scale or maybe it goes up a little bit,

but they'd come back to me and be like, you know what, like four people came up to me and they said, I look like I lost 10 pounds even though my weight hasn't changed. Were you getting any comments like that or did you notice in the mirror? Oh, this looks, I'm actually looking a lot different in the scale. Yeah. Um, I, this make go back to the body image issues that I have, but I wasn't loving how

I was looking, how I'm looking in the mirror. Like I feel like I've got a little bit, a layer of fluff that I like, I guess you call it a little layer of fluff, but my clothes were starting to fit a little bit tighter, but my husband, he loves my body anyhow. So he obviously thinks it was, it, that look great, but I wasn't liking how big I was looking. Yeah, okay, so don't trust your opinion

with the visual. Trust, are there people in your life that you trust that could tell you you're going in the right or the wrong direction? Like if your husband's trustworthy in the sense that he's like, man, you look healthy like you're looking like this is working, then I would listen to him rather than,

you know, what you may see in the mirror. And then if that connects to or correlates what the scan is showing, with a muscle gain, plus strength gain, plus some fat loss or a little bit of fat loss, then I would believe that you're moving in the right direction. Do you add any circumference measurements?

I know sometimes that helps at least for you to see the kind of trends of size or something in your arms or your legs or somewhere else, or your stomach even that, you know, you may be able to assess that a little bit better in terms of like how your body's kind of shifting and transitioning composition wise. But, too, was this a dexous scan or was this like a bioelectric impedance because they're not all equal in terms of like what kind of data they're going to provide you. There's three that I would even consider are pretty consistent in terms of the data they

provide you with the BOD Pod, the hydrostatic way, and then Dexascant. But other than that, I mean, honestly, the bioelectric impedance, I tend to not even use that in conversation. What did you use? It's called a stiku. Is that not for me? You grab handles, did you stand on it? What did you do?

I stood on a rotating platform and it was like a projection kind of thing coming out of me. Oh, okay, I know what you're talking about. Look it up for me, duckie. I mean, it might be like a dexterous. It's new, yeah. Yeah, nonetheless, I mean, I'd still default back to what kind of sales said. I don't care how accurate something is.

I still only use that as like a gauge to give me an idea. I want to actually comment on the strategy that I would have done with you here. So for two and a half months, we put you in a calorie deficit, even though your goal is to lean out for summer and fat loss, I actually would have increased your calories and focused on building strength and muscle first. Because you got two and a half months and part of the reason why I think you only built a couple pounds of muscle is because probably half the time you were in a deficit. And so it's really hard for the body to build muscle while you're also in a core deficit. I'm gonna see if she's in a little body fat too. Well, I know. So you did,

which is exceptional. You did a great job. And what you're doing is probably not bad, it's just gonna be a slower pace. I think what would have been faster for us, although it would have taken some mental discipline to do this, is I would have liked to have tried to increase your calories for those two and a half months. And then right about now, you and I would be talking about,

you'd be telling me, Adam, I put on five or six pounds, and I'm like, don't worry, we got way stronger. Most of that was muscle. Now let's cut your calories from this new calorie maintenance and let's watch you really lean out a lot faster. So that's, I would have done strategically. I would have probably approached this a little bit different than you guys did.

It doesn't mean, and I'm not, this isn't like me hating on the trainer or saying that. They still did well. Yeah, you did well. Yeah, you did well. But it's hard for clients when it moves this slow. You think you're doing something wrong or bad, but when you do a caloric deficit like that, when your metabolism is, you know, your maintenance is only around 2000 or so,

you know, cutting 500 calories. Yeah, do the math. Like you really shouldn't expect that much body fat and that much muscle gain over that much time. It's just a slow process. And if you got the discipline to stay that course, you'll probably continue to see good results. Personally, I would have rather taken an approach where we like aggressively try and bulk

and put on muscle and accept that we might add five to seven pounds. I'm not worried about that because we're building the metabolism right now and then get you to a place more like 26, 2800 calorie range and then cut you all the way back down to say 21, 22 and watch your body really start to move as far as body fat loss. Yeah, I mean, you can actually do a reverse diet now. You can do a slight bulk right now

and start to do kind of what Adams talking about. Yeah, I like what Adams said a lot. I think that might be the best, that would be the approach that I would take with you for my client. And then, you know, to what Justin said about circumference measurements, the reason why that's a good idea also is because your, like, women's clothes and particular men's clothes too, but women's clothes in particular are not designed for women with muscle. So you might lose like size around your waist,

but you built your butt and hamstrings a little bit. So now all your pants feel tighter. Oh my God, I'm getting fat, right? You may stand up a little taller now because your mid back is more developed. So now your shirts feel tighter around your shoulders. Oh no, I'm getting bigger. No, actually your posture changed

and you're developing a little bit of side delt or whatever. So I like circumference measurements because you can measure and be more specific rather than based off of like, you know, Adam, Justin, or I, we go to a clothing store, we take a suit off the rack, I have to buy a size that's for someone who's obese if in order for it to fit my body,

but I'm obviously not obese, right? So that would be the other thing that I would say to focus on. But I think a bulk would be great for you right now. Yeah, what I would do too is I would bump your calories up, say we were at 17 right now, so I'd probably go up to like a 22 hundred calorie or so around there, stick with that for about two weeks.

It's okay to use the body. If I think the thing that will really skew those is the time and day you do them and if you're fed and water in you. So if you use those things, be very consistent about the time of day that you, and so ideally I always say first thing in the morning if you can with no food, no water in you. That's the main thing. Because that will give you the most consistency around the hours. And then don't get hung up if it says I'm 35 or 24% by it, but more or less, okay, we've decided now,

we're going to increase calories and try and build strength. Where did it go from the starting point? So like wherever you're at now, or the last test you've taken, now let's try and increase calories, focus on building strength. And then when you say you measure in two weeks, let's see what it says then. And hopefully if we did a good job, you're putting on a lot more muscle than you are body fat. And then that means we're right online with the course. If you're not putting any

muscle on or really body fat, then we probably could increase the calories even more to continue to build. If you put on more body fat than you do muscle, we added too much calories too fast and then we come the other way. And that's how I would use that. Okay. I see. All right. Yep.

I was wondering if what happened, because I was a chronic restrictor, like for the first 25 years of my life, I was wondering if I just like shot my metabolism too much and I maybe need to focus more on rebuilding that or really building it from scratch since I kind of had messed myself up. So I was wondering if if I bought the reverse diet guide. I've looked at it but I didn't really have a good starting point of what even is my maintenance because I tracked and I felt like I wasn't able to really evaluate where even my starting point was. It sounds like you're pretty close to it right now, so I think we have a good enough. I go three to 500 up from where you're at.

We have a good baseline where you're at right now, and I think your intuition is right. If you were a chronic under- under eater for a really long time, also keep that in mind that it's gonna be, it's gonna take us a little bit. It's not like a switch, right? Where you were a chronic under eater for most of your life. Also, you decide you're gonna start adding calories and then also, when the body's gonna respond beautifully.

Be patient, be patient. We'll go slow, you know, 100 calories at a time, trying to increase it, and then just keep testing every couple of weeks that you make sure we're on the right track? Yeah, you're young and usually someone your age there. Did you mess up your metabolism? I mean you probably not I mean could there be some you know something that needs to take a while maybe but at your age Probably not a better indicator of that would be like your hormones your energy

Do you get your period regularly? If you're on birth control, that can mask a lot of that and it'll be hard to tell. But typically with a 20-something year old young woman, those are the questions I'm asking. Now if she comes to me and says, I haven't got my period in a while, my hair is brittle, my skin and nails don't feel,

I don't have good energy, I've got gut issues. Then I'd say okay, we need to focus on all that stuff first before we even look at like getting your metabolism to boost and all that stuff. So if any of that's resonating, but you look pretty, I don't know, you look pretty healthy. Do you have any of those issues or do you feel like, otherwise pretty well, pretty good?

I did have those issues. And then when I started listening to y'all, it was particularly the why women should bulk episode. When I started listening and and applying these things, my hair started growing more than it ever has before. I feel more energetic. I was having those like afternoon slumps where I needed some sort of caffeine. And I don't need that at all anymore. Like I just, I feel the healthiest I've ever been. So what I want is to be able to look and like reveal those muscles and show off in a swimsuit.

But that's like, I know those are surface level goals. So, but the fact that I feel healthy, like I really do feel like I'm the healthiest I've ever been. So I have a lot of experience. You're on've ever been. You're on the right track. You're on the right track. I go reverse that right. Your intuition is right, you're on the right track, you're doing great. Be patient with yourself.

That's all. I think you're kicking ass right. You know what, let's get you in the forum too so we can check up on you. I'm going to have Doug put you in the forum. Keep us posted on the reverse diet. Let us know how it's going. At one point, you'll probably ask us, okay, I've been doing this for a while now.

My calories are here. Is it time for me to start to lean out? We'll be able to give you some better advice if you keep us posted. Okay, awesome. Thank you all so much. All right, thanks for calling in. Bye.

Bye bye. How crazy is it? How many young women were impacted by that episode? Oh, I know. It's so great to hear, dude, because it's so needed. Like, it's not a message that's out very often. No, and not just needed.

It's crazy how many young women go for so long with hurting themselves because they're eating too little, because that's what they think they're supposed to do. And thankfully, we did that episode and it reached a certain number of people. And, you know, okay, great, you got to eat more and you're stronger. But what we keep hearing is my hair grew, my skin came back, my nails were growing, my period came back, my energy, my depression was lifted.

Like, I love hearing that stuff. Yeah, she's actually doing really good. Yeah, she is. Considering that if she was a chronic under-eater for that long, and she was suffering from all those things, and she's now able to good. Yeah, she is. Considering that if she was a chronic under-eater for that long, and she was suffering from all those things, and she's now able to say the things that of her mouth, I feel the healthiest ever been in my life, you know,

27 years old, that's such a good sign that you're moving in the right direction. The aesthetics will come. You just need to stick with that, continuing down that path. That's why I think if she hired me in February, and I asked all those questions I know nobody in here would have been like hey, let's put you on a cut now

It's like okay, you just started feeling really healthy. Yeah, let's keep actually increasing calories Let's get strong yeah, let's keep going the direction you're going and then we'll get to a point where we can start to you know Cut calories. I mean, I think that she can continue on the reverse diet actually lean out while she does it Sure our next caller is Nick from Pennsylvania Nick. What's happening? How can we help you? Hey? I mean, I think that she can continue on the reverse diet, actually lean out while she does it. So do I. Sure. Our next caller is Nick from Pennsylvania. Nick, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, hey, what's going on guys?

Thanks for taking my question. I'll get right into it. You got it. I recently just finished anabolic. I'm really on maybe day four of a little bit of a, a, a, a D load, just kind of focus on mobility and moving through the, the motions. My main goal with

anabolic was a little bit of a body recomb. I started the program at about 216 pounds. I'm five foot seven. After finishing anabolic, I dropped down to 205 according to like a bioelectrical impedance scale that I have. I'm at 22% body fat currently. I really have no idea what I was to begin with. My main question comes into a little bit of stiffness that I've been experiencing the low back, probably for maybe like the last five weeks. Strength gains were awesome

throughout the entirety of the program. I think finishing up phase three, what I'm doing for 12 reps now is more than what I was doing from five reps at the beginning. So I definitely got stronger. Wow. Low back stiffness, particularly after squat days, I seem to get a really big low back pump.

And then that stiffness would linger around for a handful of days afterwards. So I'm really just kind of thinking, do I move into performance? Or do I kind of keep, you know, pushing on these strength gains and maybe run like stronger, anabolic advanced with prime? No, I would go, I would go performance for symmetry for sure performance. Yeah, what you're experiencing is just your bilateral, you know, same plan. Yeah, you're just, you, this will happen when you start to kind of push your body's ability, your mobility's ability to support the the the strength gains.

So performance will take care of that. So I'm absolutely. Nick, have you ever, have you ever videoed yourself doing your squat from like the side view and be interested to see if when you get down to kind of parallel if you tend to dip forward a little bit. A lot of times, so this was an issue for me before I started to address my ankle mobility is as soon as I break 90, my chest would kind of fall lean forward a lot

and then that's my low back. I would get, it would get so pumped and tight I would have to between sets sometimes lay on the floor and by the squat rack and like do core exercises, pressing and stretching it out because it would get pumped up. That's literally just from the flexion and extension and the spine with that load on my back. Have you noticed that or is that ring a bell at all for yourself? Yeah, definitely.

I've done some videotaping and I've sent it around to a couple of different buddies who are chiropractors and physical therapists and it really seems like, you know, maybe there is a little bit of that butt wink at the bottom. I had an old knee injury that seemed to really affect my right ankle, so it is pretty stiff in that like dorsiflexion. I've considered that quite a bit and, you know, throughout the, you know, the last couple weeks of anabolic, I really kind of geared some extra mobility to kind of hip rotation and ankle flexion. I really think map symmetry would be your best bet

to really kind of dive into that because now you're gonna isolate it. If it is a one-side discrepancy versus the other, especially with the ankles, I think Adam's on point there with the ankle mobility, like being a factor with like going up the kinetic chain when you're squatting, you know, maybe just a stability issue from lateral stability,

rotational stability, and it's really gonna emphasize that in that program and highlight exactly kind of where it stems from. This is also a case where, where this is where I like to use these tools that we never, we tell people not to use all the time or use as a crutch, like squat shoes could potentially help while you're working on these things. So you're your idea of working on your hip mobility, addressing the ankle stuff, doing symmetry

adjustment, do all that stuff. Meanwhile, I may have you squat in squat shoes until that wink starts to go away. And that way we at least eliminate the low back stiffness and pain and you could actually still squat through a good deep range of motion. Obviously, the goal is to get to a place where you comfortably could barefoot squat deep like that, but that's also a process and during that process of working on the ankle mobility, hip mobility, I may also encourage you to do like heels elevated squats so that we can at least get really good deep squats without you feeling the low back pain. How long have you been working out total, Nick?

This is my second time through anabolic, but the first time really where I was kind of consistent discipline with, you know, everything, the workouts, nutrition, sleep, kind of the works. Lifted on and off for 10 years, but nothing, you know, it was kind of that deal three months on, you know, four months off, two months on, five months off. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I would avoid the squat shoes for now. I think Adam gave great advice, but the problem, I still run into this, is I'll use the squat shoes. I'm like, cool, I'm going to keep just squatting. See how much weight I can lift. So I think symmetry is going to help the most. I really do. I think that'll be the best bet. And you're probably going to have

to avoid bilateral movement for at least two or three months before you figure this out. Because if you just keep pushing your strength, you might get stronger, but this issue is going to get worse. This is what's going to happen. Yeah, this will take you beyond even where you got to your strength. Yeah. Which is going to be good. So it may be a bit of a mental challenge for you to kind of now that you got these awesome strength gains to now kind of work on isolating, you know, specific limbs and, you know, really like addressing any kind of imbalance, but overall you're going to benefit from it tremendously. Well, if we're, if we're right and that you do make good progress and you follow symmetry consistently

all the way through, the end of the program is a five by five. You'll know. So you'll get a chance to actually see, okay, I put all this work in for the last two months that the guys told me following this program, the last half of that program is bilateral. So you get to go squat, deadlift and actually see how that's carried over into that. So hopefully if we do a good job programming, we're on point with what we're telling you, you should actually see yourself. You're expressing well, you're not, your bet lower back isn't flaring up like it was

before. Like those are the goals. Yeah, and I already know the answer to that anyway, Adam. We did do a good job program. All right, Nick, we'll send you symmetry, okay? Yeah, yeah, I really appreciate it. I think where I was getting hung up was, you know, it never really seemed to be pain,

but man, it was a wicked pump with just stiffness, it would kind of nag me for a few days. So that makes a lot of sense, man, I'm glad you guys did. Yeah, I get the same thing. Yeah, I get the same thing. Yeah, I get the same thing. Yeah, I get the same thing. Yeah, I get the same thing.

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You got it, brother. Just had to say that. Where the fuck does that come from? Because you'll hear people talk about going on anabolic oral anabolic steroids and they'll be like, oh, I got this crazy low back pump. Oh, that's normal, just keep working through it. And it would have been weird if he's like,

actually, hold on a second, bro. I've never heard of that. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sal's on all second bro. I've never heard of that. Really? Yeah. Sal's on all the four. I was waiting for some dumb dad joke to come after. No, no, no. I was like, I'll send him up for a dad joke.

Yeah, I did. I was like, what the fuck is that mean? Never heard anyone say that. You never heard that before? No. Yeah, dude. I mean, look, this is all hearsay, you know, like, you know,

I don't have to shit, so there's no science here. But, I mean, you know, so yeah, I mean, you know, lateral work solves this issue for nine to 10 people because you really start to isolate what the hell's going on. And whether it's the ankle or the hip or both, you're gonna see it when you do those unilateral exercises in the map symmetry.

Our next caller is Skyler from West Virginia. Hi Skyler, how can we help you? Hi, how are you? Good. It's crazy for me to be introducing myself. I've listened for a while and heard so much about your guys' lives and your families. I feel like we're like best friends.

So it's weird for me to be talking to you the first time. We are. We are friends, yep. I'll start off with a little bit of background and then go into my question. Overall, the last two years, I've lost about 50 pounds, gone through a lot of different phases, and it hasn't always been linear. But overall, that's where I am. About a year ago, I felt like I plateaued a little bit. I started working with a coach. It started off really well. He put me on a

meal plan, and it was very more clean food focused. I was at a point where I was eating a lot of processed food and trying to fit protein in everywhere I could. So my digestion was terrible. So the clean foods helped a lot at first. Started with that and then started implementing more cardio, which slowly increased and I'm now up to doing an hour of fast cardio in the morning and 20 minutes post-lift daily and lifting six times a week. I'm eating a good bit of food about 1500 calories a day, 150 grams of protein but less than a hundred carbs and my plan's very meal plan focused rather than macro focused

and I'm a numbers person so I'm kind of tracking my food on my own and he looks at my food journal and I didn't really realize it at first but I think that it's very thermogenesis focused right now I'm dropping about 0.25 to half pound a week, which is okay and probably what I should shoot for, but at this point, I'm in the gym for three hours a day and working like 65, 70 hours a week. So it's tough for me. Ideally, I'd like to get macro focused again so I can de-free some of the cardio. I'm just kind of lost on how to move forward. I don't know if I keep the same food and slowly back out of the cardio

or if I decrease to, I'm just scared to put pounds on but I'm also scared to increase more cardio or I just don't really know how to back out of it. So I guess just looking for some guidance. Yeah, so okay. I see why the out of it. So I guess just looking for some guidance. Yeah, so okay. I see why the title of this question was, I'm breaking up with my coach though now. Yeah, so okay, you said something interesting. It's thermogenesis focus.

Did your coach tell you that or did you just say that? No, just kind of doing my own research. Okay. All right. You come to fun that out. That's a buzzword, doesn't mean anything. Yeah, there's no thermogenesis, yeah, focus. So if you read anything that says,

this is a thermogenesis-focused diet or whatever, you know, it's garbage, so don't worry about that. Okay, so here's some red flags with certain coaches. Here's one big one. They have two buttons, and this is the two buttons that they use, no matter what. Drop calories, more activity. Oh, you're one big one. They have two buttons, and this is the two buttons that they use, no matter what. Drop calories, more activity. Oh, you're not losing enough.

Drop calories, more activity. Drop calories, more activity. And then you end up where you're at now, where you're like, I'm working out a lot, and I can't do any more, where do I go from here? I'm stuck, and that's because you've been coached the wrong way up until now. So the question is what do you do from here?

I would start by cutting the cardio down and keeping the diet the same. I think that would be where I would start. I would take your cardio, I'd cut it way down. And now we're in 20 minutes most days, it's just, I mean, unless you love it, it's your favorite thing in the world to do. It's a turtle.

Yeah, it sucks. So I would do, I would cut it down by more than half or all of it. I would do traditional strength training, full body, three days a week, maps, endabolic style. Keep your calories the same. Watch and see how you feel after a few weeks, then I would try and do maybe like a reverse diet.

Your calories are 13 to 15, a day. That's low. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah, I would reverse diet until you get yourself up to a number that you feel comfortable cutting from. Okay. So whatever number you go up to, think to yourself, can I cut from here and then stay

at that cut calorie number and feel good. So that might be, you know, 23, 24, 2500 calories, and then when you get closer to 2,000 calories. But right now, you're probably too low. I haven't met very many people who feel great eating 1,300 to 1,500 calories every single day. Not only that, we just saw her pictures right now. You have good muscle mass on you.

That's way too low for like you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're set your way around 161.75 is that where you're at right now? Is that what you said? I'm at 175 and would like to get to 160. Yeah. But you're, you're solid though. I mean, I'm looking at you like you're, you're,

you're not like a 170 and really overweight person. You're 170 and solid. I can see it in your legs. Yeah, how tall are you? Uh, five, five, five, six. Boy, weight is so misleading. Yeah. Very misleading. I wouldn't even.

You look really good, by the way. Yeah, I wouldn't even look at the scale so much. I would go by performance, maybe body fat tests, trends, because for someone like you, you've got good muscle mass. I wouldn't see. Most people wouldn't not have guessed. No, you would body weight. I wouldn't see, most people wouldn't have guessed. No, you would body weight. I didn't guess that she looked like that.

I saw your weight and then I saw your pressure. I said, oh shit, you don't look like what I was assuming you look like. But I've worked with women like you who have just, they've got great muscle mass. They look like they're just phenomenal. And then they're heavier on the scale because they're like athletes and it's great.

And by the way, what Adam's talking about is we have a huge potential with your metabolism. You would be the kind of person that would be able to reverse diet a thousand calories at some point higher than you're at now. For sure. And probably still cut. Yeah.

So I would go, I would cut cardio. I would focus on traditional strength training and then I would go reverse diet after you settle after that. You're obviously doing a great job lifting. So I don't know if that's from good from the coach or the trainer. This is just a coach on the diet part or if you have experience lifting or without, I'm assuming you obviously squat deadlift all the good movements. Yeah, I just I worked out a pain at fitness for a long

time but just switched gym. So I've like fell in love with it again. I was getting a little bit bored, but my coach has just done my nutrition. I tore my ACL in high school. So kind of had to lift and then got really into it after that. Were you an athlete? Yeah, multi-sport athlete, but then when I tore my ACL could not.

Called it. Called it. Yeah it. Call it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got great, you got great genetics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks. I'm shorter, so it helps. No, no, you got great genetics.

You know what, you know what you just did? You literally hammered your body to slow its metabolism down. Yeah, yeah, you're. You've got great genetics. You can go, you're going to be able to reverse diet very successfully if you do it right. Just be okay with a little bit of the weight, not maybe being right, like don't get hung up on the exact number on the scale right now,

especially right now, because that can tell by your body type, you're probably gonna put muscle on pretty quick. And so the scale could absolutely go up, go off of how you feel and know that the ultimate goal is let's get those calories up to the high 2000s. Like, I mean, I'm saying you should be 27, 200 minimum calories. And then we can come back down from that. But you, yeah, you have massive potential.

Do you have a reverse dieting guy? Do you know how to do this reverse diet properly? I don't. Is that do I like increase a hundred a week? What's the pace? I'll send it to you. It'll tell you what to do. Okay.

Yes. And then, and then give me a little insight on what you're programming looks right now so I can, so I can put you on one of ours. That's a little bit different. So we have a nice, a nice switch on adaptation. What are you doing right now? Okay. I ran anabolic and then aesthetic a couple times. I love that one. I'm, I like being in the gym gym a lot and since I was spending so much time there The six day program was helpful for me Couple of maps out of all the advanced about the anabolic advanced. Yeah, it would be good or even split I let's go maps and a ball of advance like that, but cut the cardio. Okay Immediately. Yeah, I would cut the keep your calories where they're at. Yeah, cut the cut cut the cardio out completely

Switch to maps and a ball of advanced. After a few weeks of settling into that, if everything feels good and you're like, okay, like I'm good, I'm getting stronger, I'm not seeing these massive swings in weight, then I would start the reverse diet. Okay.

Okay. Does that sound alright? Yeah, that makes sense. Alright, keep us updated too. Yeah, you look at prehens if you scared. I am scared. I'm nervous. Yeah, it's a total cheat. It's what I thought I would hear, but it's hard to like, yeah, do I need to put you in the form? So we're checking on you some accountability there. I think I'm think the end goal for me is to cut to a point where I can run a prep and find a new coach and compete eventually. But I feel like I need to get it under control.

Yeah, okay. So before you go that route, okay. So you would be a perfect person who would like reach out to me, but go out of my herd. You coach clients for this. Like, would you get me ready for a show? I would do an assessment of what you're doing. And I'd say, I won't let you pick a show yet. I'd say first, you and I, with your muscle mass, where you're at, I would want you to be somewhere 2800 calories plus eating at maintenance

before I put you through some sort of a 12 week cut for a bikini show or something, because I know what that takes in order to do that and what we're gonna have, you're too low of calories to do anything with that right now. So we need to focus on building that metabolism right now. And then you'd be in a healthy place. So that should be your goal before you decide

you're gonna sign up for a bikini test, make that promise and commitment to me that you should be able to maintain at 26, 2800 calories a day and not see your weight go up or down really, that's a good place to be. So I know you're scared, you said earlier that you trust us and we're friends, so trust your friends, we're telling you what to do.

Just do it and you're gonna end up in a great place. Okay, so cut the cardio, like no cardio? Yeah, like you walk, walking spine, stay active throughout the day, okay, I don't want you to just like do nothing. Walking spine throughout the, like you know, like walk, walking spine, you know, stay active throughout the day. Okay. I don't want you to just like do nothing. Walking spine throughout the day, you know, if you want to track your steps, that's fine. Eight to 12,000 steps a day.

But just cut the cardio out. Cut the cardio out, map, send a ball in advance, keep your calories the same after three weeks or so. If everything feels stable, start the reverse diet. How intense was the fasted cardio in the morning? Was it walking or were you actually getting after it? Elliptical at like 150. Okay, so you're kind of getting after it. Yeah. Will you? And then I typically do stairmaster or a climb walk after my last five. Yeah, so you're getting, okay, so are you, will you still wake up at the same time if I tell you you don't have to

do that? Cause here's my one concern is if I tell you to eliminate all the cardio and you now sleep in that hour, hour and a half, that's a big shift in calorie difference. So are you not gonna get up that early anymore? If I tell you? I could probably sleep in an extra hour. Well hold on, do you need the extra sleep? I wake up at four, I don't know and I get seven hours.

Yeah, no, no, do the sleep. Do the sleep. Yeah, go in and sleep in. You're fine. You go to bed at nine, ten, wake up at four. Yeah, I get some sleep. You know what's funny about that? I can wake up at five.

Yeah, you know what's funny about this is you're... You've got such great genetics that with the shitty programming that you're on and the ridiculous amount of cardio and low calories, you've actually been able to keep like amazing muscle. So you actually, if I had you, like if you came to me and hired me and I talked to you while all this and I saw this, I'd be like, I'd be rubbing my hands to you like,

oh, this is gonna be amazing. She's gonna respond really, really well because you shouldn't even be able to have muscle right now with what you're doing. Yeah, it started slowly so I didn't really notice and then it just kept going up and up. Yeah, yeah, okay. All right, do what we say. Check in with check in with us in the form. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you so much. You got it. You know what's funny? Someone like her, we get so abused in the competing space. Oh yeah. Because a coach could just fucking hammer her.

Robble down. And she would do okay because her body's able to hold on to something. She's got all that muscle. I know. My one concern though is to if you eliminate all that cardio that she was doing and you also sleep in an extra hour and a half, that's a huge shift in calories.

But if her body needed it, it's covered, if it's all that. Yeah, but that's a big switchin' off. So, I mean, she's in the form, so we're gonna get a chance to, but if she has a hard time at all, or she sees a dramatic shift in her weight go up, we would have to do, I'd counter it with some walking throughout the day.

So that's what I would do is, I'd actually probably ask her to monitor her steps. And so I had an idea of like what, this, how much movement she's getting in the day. And then I'd find ways to incorporate it throughout her day in walking. So she doesn't have this dramatic like, you know, 500 to 800 calories shift a day in burn. You know, even though she probably needs to sleep, even though her body needs to relax a little bit, she doesn't need to be pushing the hard, that overnight switch could cause a little bit of weight gain, right? It could, but if she stabilizes reverse thigh, but you know, here's the other side of it, too, that sometimes happens, is that your, her body has just become so efficient that

when she cuts the cardio out, lets her body recover, her metabolism just speeds up because it doesn't feel like it needs to be so thrifty. So for the first week or so, calorie surplus, after that, well, now the body starts fully recovered. Yeah, and she'll see herself get stronger, feel more rested, and all that stuff. So, but yeah, after a few,

yeah, and that's what, it's good call, put her in the form, I think that'll be good to watch. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com, and know, after you, yeah, and that's what that's it's good call putting in the forum I think that'll be good to watch look if you like mine pump head over to mine pump free calm and check out our guides We have guides that can help you with fitness health fat loss and muscle building You can also find all of us on social media Justin is on Instagram on mine pump Justin. I'm on my Instagram at mine pump to Stefano and Adam is on Instagram at mine pump Adolfo thank you for listening to mine pump If your goal is to build and shape your body,

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