Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 208: A calorie is NOT a calorie

Episode Date: December 25, 2015

It is Christmas 2015 and many of us will indulge in a variety of foods that we may or may not normally eat. Calories DO count but something that is often overlooked is the profound influence the kind of food we eat has on our weight and our health. Sal, Adam & Justin go beyond calories and macro-nutrients and look at the hidden power of food. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Learn more about Mind Pump at www.mindpumpradio.com

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite, hop, mite, hop, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Did you gain all the weight back that you lost? I'm wearing that when you gave me the fat already. No, no, no, you weren't fat to begin with. You lost muscle because you had the shits, and now you seem to have gained a back. No, just this shirt small.

He did that all with one sandwich. Don't downplay us. No problem, don't downplay. I haven't been in the gym. I haven't been in the gym at all. You know what happened to me if I lost 15 pounds? It would take me five years to gain a bat. That's what I'm afraid of that.

Yeah, I'm afraid of that because we have a... Let me see your calves. Pull it, pull it, pull it, rip pants. No, I don't. It's just Tivier. Let me see your calves. I think we're Tivier on the way. Let me see the calves. You put so much work into those. Let me see the cast. Gone bro. Already. You know what? When you pull your pants up, like when you start to get closer,

you need to see the end of the other thing too. Look at that dude. It's like a little tip. Hey guys. A little mushroom tip. That's right. Keep running your mouth, bro. I'm gonna mushroom stamp you On your forehead Used to be ready for FedEx that was my when I was a big your signature move Well, no when I was a big-guy gamer when I used to play video games So my professionally see guys walk around with brews of like a little like mushroom on their head Did you you weren't a gamer, did you play a game?

Did you play video games? No, no, no. Just when you did it for a while. Yeah, yeah. My handle was. That's weird that I'm the nerd, but I didn't play video games. Yeah, yeah.

It's not really nerdy anymore. It's kind of athletic too, that's why. It's because it's competitive. It's athletic. No, no, no. It's not a hands-in-other outlet. And eye coordination. Don't be mistaken.

Don't be mistaken. Competitive, I'm very competitive. Yes, that's extremely competitive. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this more the same thing. We all started ground zero. If we started ground, because naturally, my natural capacity for hand eye brain coordination is what we should all take up badminton. You know, yeah, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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like where it's duck hunt. We'll do like the other. I think I have the track one too. We'll just try it off. We'll do the guys in Mario first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll have a little competition. See how everybody does.

Can't do Zelda that takes like five years. So because you were the younger brother, you were probably Luigi all the time, right Justin? Fuck you. You were with you. That's how you wouldn't work. Cause I was like, you know, my favorite color is green. So I was like, yeah, whatever'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like,

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You know what, that would be a good mustache. That would be a great costume for you. It would be a great Halloween costume for you. It's slightly racist a little bit. All you have to do is grow a mustache. A little bit of profiling. A little bit of it. You just need some overalls in a mustache and you'd be sad, dude.

It was like, it's a go. Yeah. Much. Speaking of mushrooms, huh? Ooh. Yeah. There's a lot Yeah, let's go! Masha! Speaking of mushrooms, huh? Ooh, yeah. Yeah, what? There's a lot of, but you ever, you know, as you get older, you start to look at shit and you go, wow, they were talking about drugs, weren't they?

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Like, what kind of excitement are you feeling? Probably both those combined. For both of us, I'm okay. It's okay to say. No. That's awesome. I can't see that. He's like, it's like the first time a girl touched my wiener.

It's kind of similar. Yeah, it's like, it's this tingley that goes in my. And by the way, my toes all the way up through my balls. And by the way, that's the least sexy thing you could ever call your dick. It's a wiener. A wiener. Yeah. That's guaranteed you're not gonna get any don't call it wiener.

Yeah, like, hey baby. It's almost as bad when I ask you. Hold on, my wiener. My handball. It's almost as bad as when I ask you when you get to get the rest from your day. If you had to go pee-pee. You could go pee.

We're about to start. We're about to fire up and sell takes on me. We go to be be you know what he turns around looks at me. What did you just fucking say? You said it. You said it in a very like ethnic way like the way like the way like like my dad would say it because you know like another was it was a piece that you said it because I could see us saying that you know the kids I said potty that's what it was. You know potty. Yeah, potty. Yeah, you know potty. So you go potty. Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. That's kids I said potty that's what I'm going here, but I'm going to

Do you ever do this with your when you guys were young? I'm sure you had friends that were you know your buddies your cousins or whatever You guys ever like P to see you could pee the furthest of course you shit like the longest We could get the furthest in their name like you try spell to spell your whole name. Right. Do you ever do that? God, we're gross. Boys are gross. You're just drop and then pee in the middle of the road just because you kid. You're like, yeah.

I did that last week. Okay, good. I mean, I wasn't even drunk. I was like, you know, a kid. Yeah. Well, but you know, like, we're just boys are gross. They're just gross. They just do that.

I don't think it's gross. I think it's important that you do those things. Yeah, man. Well, think about it. Think about it this way. You handle your dick at a very young age. I don't think it's gross. I think it's important that you do those things. Yeah, man. Well, think about it. Think about it this way. You handle your dick at a very young age. So you're very comfortable with it.

You know what I mean? You pull it out, you piss everywhere. Girls are not like that. Girl, everything's inside. So they're not in touch with themselves. Maybe it's a disadvantage for them. Well, I think some women would disagree with you too. I think girls still venture around and are trying to figure out what's going on.

But they don't have to grab it every time they go to the bathroom. Well, my best friend was a girl growing up to and like she wanted to touch your dick oh See that was young okay come on man. Yeah, no she's always trying pee just like me Standing yeah, so before we fired up right now I was just trolling on Instagram and someone just recently tagged all three of us on Joe Donnelly post and his post was a, I think he was referring to if it's Fitcher Macros type of post. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, if it fits your macro.

Oh, yeah, yeah. He's, no, no, it no, it was a funny picture. He had a picture of his cute little doll you just had. And it says, you know, when someone says they still eat tilapia and facet cardio, and then also it triggered this whole debate between him and much people. Now of course, we're tagged to come over. And you know, people always want, I have to tell you guys this, like when we have somebody on the show, especially a Joe, I like Joe a lot.

I have a slight man crush on him. Yes, he do. But I like Joe a lot. I have a slight man crush on him. Yes, he do. But I totally would not have guessed that. Yeah. Dude, why are you such a jealous little girl? Yeah, you're such a jealous. You're such a jealous.

I don't like him more than you. I don't even care. I don't, bro. I don't like him more than you. Listen, I don't even care. I'm just hanging out with Justin now. So I don't even care. When I'm with other people, I talk about you the same way.

We do more things outside the show. The same way. Listen, I don't care. It's okay, bro. I'm good. No, because I'm hanging out with same way. We do more things outside the show the same way. Listen, I don't care. It's okay, bro. You do care. No, because I'm hanging out just now. You do care every time. Every time I say Joe's name, Joe's name, he gets all but hearted all the time.

We'll be texting and our thing back and forth like whatever dude. Joe doesn't even know this. And he'll quote some crazy study. Joe doesn't even know this. That's not nice. He's trying to impress me with all some crazy study. Joe doesn't even know this. That's not nice to me. He's trying to impress me with all these crazy stuff. I like that little shrug.

You guys, it's a dust show. Joe doesn't even know this. No, no. No, no. That's my hair. I knew this like three years ago. Joe doesn't even know this. Whatever.

So back on the subject. So what's the deal? So is this the whole calories, not a calorie, or calorie-tack deal? Well, the thing that they're saying. Well, what we got tagged on was a statement that Joe May, that, you know, sometimes Joe's multitasking, so I'm sure he doesn't read his own messages

that he puts up there. Adam's balls deep in his schedule. Yeah, I'm gonna say it. But he referred to, you know, that everything that we eat is processed. It's all the same and calories a calorie type of deal and a basically a protein is a protein and carbs a carb. Oh, you know what?

I read that. He said something like the body only recognizes protein's fat. Basically, he was referring to a Burger King burger is the same as if you were to go and get a meat, you know, your own ground beef at the grocery store and running it up and make your own patty. And yeah. So that is, now this is the problem that I have with IIFYM.

And I don't, we don't bash it very much because I feel like in a, no done properly, the philosophy done properly, like when we talk to Nick Cheedle, his philosophy is, it's more sustainable because it gives you a little bit more flexibility. It's the problem is the people that take that to the next fucking level, and all they care about is Protein's fats and carbs. They don't care about any justification of all these other highly processed foods and things to keep regular in the diet. Right, and literally, and look, and I actually made a post about this the other day, I've made a post about foods that are inflammatory

and foods that are not inflammatory. And some girl gets on there who, she loves her, I think her goal in life is to go on, you know, our posts and to say the opposite, what we say. But anyway, she goes on there. Well, she's have one of those. Yeah, and she's like, you know,

she's trying to debate me or whatever, where'd you get these and I'm like, actually, these are Harvard from Harvard University. She claimed that it wasn't a call for me. Yeah, actually, that's not good enough. Where's your references? I'm like, it's fucking Harvard. Oh, yeah, Harvard.

But they don't list any references. I'm like, Harvard's its own fucking reference. Yeah, they actually like produce the study. Yeah, yeah. But that student's doing it. But when they talk about how she was saying basically, how, well, I don't like to demonize foods. We shouldn't make some foods bad and some foods good.

Some foods are fucking bad. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. Some are bad. This is fucking bad. Listen, listen, this is the real world. Sometimes shit is bad and sometimes shit is good. You need to know that.

Now, if you want to choose to sometimes have bad food, then fucking do it and take the response, and be response, we were like, I'm eating this donut, I know it's not good for me, but it's okay every once in a while. There's nothing wrong with that. Exactly. But don't lie to yourself.

It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle.

It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle. can't say things are bad because nothing is bad everything's okay now some shit is bad right and when it comes to food a calorie is not a calorie it's a fucking fact that they just came out uh... this is uh... incredible new study they just this just recently made the news i believe last month

where they found that air pollution air pollution contributes to uh... diabetes fat gain uh... insulin resistance all to all slow things right air pollution is not calories to diabetes, fat gain, insulin resistance, a whole slew of things. Air pollution is not calories. That's not calories at all. And when people take that approach,

that a calories a calorie, they're ignoring, and everything's just proteins, fats and carbs. You're ignoring that food is so much more than proteins, fats and carbs. It's so much more than that. That's the part that irritates me the most with the Fitture Mac roasting.

It's exactly what, I mean, you couldn't hit it on better. I mean, because it's hard and it's hard for me and I don't take in a in a post stance to it so often because I think if somebody were to look at how I live and how I eat, it would it would reflect that. It would reflect the car. I just had a five guys burger just the other night. You know, but you're not telling yourself,

oh, this is a help. This is a fine option. No, it's my so they're for this is healthy Let me tell you exactly how this went down It was you know Katrina sends me a message right before she's coming home from work I I've lined up my food all all day long. I've been eating really clean In fact, that was behind on calories and food. I haven't had a burger in weeks maybe even a couple months now and She's like I haven't had one either. We've been craving one. So we're like, I'm gonna have one,

because I can't. You know what I'm saying? Because I haven't had one a long time. I don't believe in depriving yourself of your state, especially when you have good balance in your diet and you do eat very clean and well, majority of the time, that I'm gonna allow someone like that.

So then someone else would see that and they go like, oh, so you follow if it fits your macros? Like, no, I don't believe that either. I don't will around preaching that you can eat whatever the fuck you want as long as the macronutrients measure up the same. Because if you took, and let's just take a five guy burger, for example, and I'm just going to off top of my head, I believe it's right around 600, 600, 700 calories, total calories, the fat somewhere between 50 50 50 and 75 grams of fat

And the protein is somewhere between 40 and 45 now if you're telling me that and I could and I can Give you a rough idea what that would look like super clean like that's about a chicken breast and a half a Salad an ounce of walnuts avocado And then my carbohydrate source. Let's just say I have eight ounces of sweet potato and that would pretty much be pretty close as far as lining up. The macros, right. I'll tell you right now, what's your getting beneficial wise coming from that chicken, walnuts, avocado, that salad and everything that you are not getting all that shit in

that five guys burger, and that's the part that drives me fucking nuts. Not to mention that even then you can take it to the next level and see what those things were eating because in the end we go if you're talking about organic chicken and everything and you're eating clean on the clean clean side and that process shit that's coming from a restaurant or what that what it what's being fed to that cow, you know, the makeup is different that protein is different that same that protein isn't the same because of what it's been consumed. Well, if you take people and you have them

meet the exact same calories and macronutrients, exactly the same, except one person's eating quote, healthy food, vegetables and organic foods, natural whole foods, and the other person's eating highly processed foods, Follow them over time. Just give them enough time and look at their health and you can't tell me then health doesn't affect things like fat storage and muscle gain and muscle loss. Chemicals, we know now that there's Xenoestrogens, which are chemicals that mimic estrogens that

will cause the body to storm our body fat. No extra calories needed. We also know even if I go down to a basic level, this study has been duplicated several times. If you take someone and you take the fat out of the diet and replace it or take some of the fat out of the diet and replace it with medium chain triglycerides, it's still fat grams, but the person with medium chain triglycerides will get leaner. They've done this several times in studies

Same fact same fat gram same number. It's just a different, you know, makeup of what kind of fat you're consuming I mean, that's the real point is that like it's it's on a chemical level that we're dealing with and just a breeze over that and to look at it as a whole You know, it's it's it's just ridiculous to me. I mean if you're trying to create and promote health You know, and that's one thing if you're trying to create and promote like an aesthetic in a look, you know That's another point, but you know, you're not gonna have Success with health if if you're just looking at it from a macro perspective And you're not looking at the micronutrients. You're not looking at diversity of nutrients You're not looking at where you know the source is where you're getting it from, you know, pesticides, all these

like crunchy, grainy, you know, hippie ideals that people used to scoff at, you know, guess what? There's some truth to that shit, you know? And if you're just going to like muscle your way over that, you know,. That's dinosaur way of thinking. Let's all consider this because it is affecting your health and they have shown that. Well, I think if you, and I understand the whole, I need to have balance on my life type of deal, it's important, I think the most important thing

that we're talking about here is to be informed. Once you're informed and you understand things and then you make decisions based off of that, that's healthy. If you ignore things and say it's only about macros, that's not healthy. If you're in the other direction where you become, you know, I don't remember what the term is,

orthorexia, I think is a term, where people are so concerned about eating healthy that it's actually an eity disorder. That is also unhealthy. I think if you inform yourself and you're educated on, you know, what's good, what's not good, you look at the big things first, right? Number one is calories.

Then you move to the next big thing, which is macro-neutrins. But then you move down the list and there's things that are very important as well. You gotta be informed, and then you make those decisions and you move forward and watch your health. Well, I feel like, how much of this was Lane Norton.

Now, did he just was he the first person to put his stamp on it? Or was he a part of actually creating the term if it fits your macros? Do you know? I don't, I don't, but I think. I know he's one of the pioneers for sure. If he wasn't the actual creator of the acronym and created the whole diet, I know he's one of the first. It was a move in the right direction, right? It got people to consider.

That's why I was going that direction. I was about to say that I feel like, you know, his intentions were well, you know, I feel like the person, I mean, I think it's one of, I think it's one of the best diets that are out there. If you, if we were to compare diet to diet, you know, if I'm, if I'm taking apart all these different diets, I think it has one of the best foundations, the best concepts, but like all of them, they're all flawed. That's the problem about a diet. I'm saying and living that way. The to me eating clean and trying your hardest

to always eat clean, but to not be so crazy about it, that you're not gonna get depressed and get beat yourself up over or goes run on a treadmill for five hours after you have one burger because you did it one time or whatever. No, that would be just as bad, right? That's just a, just of an issue is somebody who's got an obesity issue and cannot put food down.

So both extremes are bad, but, and I like the concept of the balance, but that's just it. Is most people don't follow it that way. I know even people listening right now that, and they are going like, oh no, it's not me. Well, if you solely are watching those macros, you have that tendency that's, you start putting things in your diet every day that are either a pop tart or this or that.

And you need to really. Or bars or lots of paid off. Exactly. Pull yourself out and take us, take us shot and ask yourself, when was the last time I strung two or three days together where I actually didn't eat anything out of a wrapper? If you haven't gone two or three days and not ate something out of a wrapper, you're eating a little more than you need to as far as processed foods. Well, yeah.

I'll tell you the extreme of this too, is like, you guys sort of that swollen protein. I have. Okay, so that's like, that's like the rage and like, it's right around the world. Exactly, so this is all for like developers and people that are behind the computer all day and they just wanna keep hacking away. And they don't wanna be slowed down by food

cause it's so inconvenient, right? So basically this guy created it and put all the essential nutrients in there to keep you going in a sense. People are living off of it. People are actually living off this and it's just a pattern that has very minimal taste, right? So that way it doesn't overwhelm the palate.

However, when this guy was interviewed, all these markers and everything showed great sustainability as far as mass and muscle and all this kind of stuff. However, they asked him a question like about the markers for the gut flora and it did not come back with very great results. No, no, it'll keep you alive. It'll keep you alive. That's the thing.

You won't starve to death. But not ear in ear. You're not thriving on it. But give it enough time. Look, the human body is so complex. We're still learning about how it interacts with its environment, and how it interacts with the food that we eat, and how the environment within our body interacts with all these things. We're still learning about these things.

We know how to keep someone from dying of malnutrition. We know how to keep someone dying from deficiencies, but we still, a lot of times don't know what causes a lot of cancers. We don't know what causes a lot of autoimmune diseases. We don't know what causes a lot of metabolic diseases where mitochondria's or cells are operating like they should. We still don't know a lot of these things and part of it's genetic, but like everything human, I'm sure part of it's genetic, but a lot of it's environmental. And so we don't understand these things. these things and part of its genetic but like everything human I'm sure part of its genetic but a lot of its environmental and so we don't understand these things so sit here and pretend that we know all this shit and we're just can't oh no no look at this bar it's perfect macros it's got every

vitamin and mineral you need just eat this and you'll be fine yeah we're being very arrogant yeah very arrogant we've got massive like humans typically do we have these huge egos what we think we fucking know everything. You know, eventually I believe, eventually science will figure it out, but we're not there yet at all. We're definitely not there yet, you know, and we're trying to compete with in millions of years of evolution. Food science is very important, you know, the progress we've made as far as like beating famine and all these things The progress we've made as far as beating famine and all these things with the seasons.

Oh yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. And we developed all these foods to fit to our liking. Bigger, sweeter, more delicious. Well, here's the deal. Look at the food that you eat. It probably contains corn. It probably contains wheat.

There's probably some dairy somewhere. If you look at the foods that what we grow, potatoes, we humans did a really good job of picking foods that we could grow in mass quantities. And so that's what our diet consists of now. Foods that are harder to grow, that are a little more wild, we don't harvest them the same, we don't grow them the same,

so therefore they're not big parts of our diet. Oregon meets, how many people, you go to the grocery store, you're gonna see lots of fucking chicken breasts, chicken thigh, chicken, you know, drumsticks. You're gonna see no chicken, you know, gizzards, livers, you're not gonna see, you know, cow, kidney, you're not gonna see any of that stuff. That stuff that we ate for most of human civilization.

There's lots of things in there that's good for you. Right. And I'm not saying you go out and go eat those things. I'm just giving you an example Where we pretend no, you know what we absolutely need and we don't let the you know We're not like I said we're not dying from food poisoning and malnutrition anymore But now the smaller things are starting to catch up when we're starting to get issues Right And I view it. This is a lot of the way I view it. Okay You know sit there and in solely focusing on calories and macros.

In and of itself, it sounds like it was a rebellion towards the bodybuilding lifestyle, which was, you know, chicken breast tilapia broccoli and rice or whatever, every single day. So that was kind of a rebellion. But even just counting, you know, your macros and your calories is wrong. Because when I look at nutrition, I talk to like children about nutrition because I used to volunteer and I would go to fourth and fifth grade classes

and talk about nutrition. I don't tell them about, to focus on calories and macros. I explain what the macros are. I explain what calories are. But you start telling a child, don't need too many calories or you get any more proteins, more fats,

or less carbs or whatever. You get them in the complex. You create issues. What do I focus on? I focus on what the foods give you energy? What foods give you strength what they do for you? I focus on the health aspects of it And it's it's actually believe or not if you have a home full of healthy Whole foods You're less likely and you let kids go go rampant eat whenever you're hungry, you're gonna have way less obesity, even though they're not counting shit. For sure.

You'll have way less obesity, well, way less health problems, because the home is filled in full of healthy foods. Think about you, yourself. Think of the listener right now, think about this. You're at home. You're, you're, you want to snack on something, you're hungry, but all that's available are fruits, vegetables, nuts, maybe a little bit of nuts,

and foods you have to prepare yourself. Now, compare that to, I have bags of chips, I have pop tarts, I have protein bars, and everything else. Protein powders, think about that now. Two-way to convenient. Which one is more likely, which scenario is more likely to make you overeat and need unhealthy, right?

Well, you know, this is also something that was, that we took into consideration when we created the Nutrition Survival Guide. The idea was, you know, sure, we could write a diet, I could write a million diets and plans for people to help them lose weight or build muscle or what that does generic informally, which is all over the place.

But that was one of the things that we all refuse to do. What we wanted to do was bring the science that we do know out there as far as what foods are healthy for multiple reasons, not just because of how much protein is found in this food, but because of the vitamins and minerals that you're getting in the other essential things that we don't really focus and talk about.

Now, maybe you're not gonna get that in depth in it, but that's why it was created. It was created to help people choose foods to follow that path. Now, does that mean you're not going to, you can't have a burger here or there or we wouldn't, you know, just because we don't have that in there as part of the meal plan or whatever. It's not, it's not like that. It's not about the restrictive aspect. It's about focusing on what is healthy and benefit. Yes. Like focus more on that. You know, of course, there's going to be scenarios and family events and all these things

and you're craving something, you know, whatever you're going to crave, you're going to eat it's not going to, you know, damage you as long as you're, you stick with your, your, your foresight of like, okay, I got to get back on this. What's benefiting me the most? Right. And that's my mentality. I want to optimize, you know, I want optimize. I want to benefit myself internally. So that way it creates that better performance when I go to my fitness and my training and

movement, even thinking. But it's also does this. It also changes the connection you have to food when you're educated on it. Let me explain. Oh, yeah. You know, the average person might eat healthy, go to a party, eat, you know, lots of pasta, bread, whatever, and then not pay attention and not notice that the next day that there's stiff and inflamed. They just don't notice it because they're not making the connection.

But then they become educated on food and how it affects the body. And now they start to make connections. That's another motivator to eat healthy. I have a client right now who, you know, she watched her calories and watched her macros religiously. Gradually over time, I got her to change her thinking and to eat healthier. Then she went to a naturopath who took her off sugar and did a bunch of things, and it was specific to her. And no more aches and pains. She'll go to an event, eat some of these foods, notice the aches and pains.

And she's like, I never noticed that before. I never noticed that connection of how I felt aside from weight gain. Like she noticed the weight gain, but she didn't notice the other things. Like my mind was clear, is clearer. You know, I think better, I'm in better moods. My hormones seem to be better. So now that she makes that connection, she herself, admittedly, you know, I think better, I'm in better moods, my hormones seem to be better.

So now that she makes that connection, she herself admittedly, she says, I'm far more motivated to eat this way because I've connected it to all these other things aside from gaining some body fat or not. It changes the whole conversation. Oh, yeah. No, no, for sure. It's pretty crazy to me, the way people, I think if we just focused on eating clean and trying your best, always to try your best, and then you never sacrifice those birthdays

or that, you know, dinner out with your husband on Friday night or whatever, and eat like a normal human being and didn't restrict and just enjoyed yourself in moderation and in control and education understanding how you should probably eat, what foods you should definitely consume at that meal and then go ahead and enjoy yourself. Have a glass of wine, have a little dessert as that. And then the rest of the time when you're working, you're busy, you're doing so, you're making it an effort to make good choices. You'd be amazed how good a shape. And then if you include resistance training in there, like just those things alone, would literally keep like a majority of people very healthy and pretty damn fit.

When you say, it's just like you're ritual, right? It's your ritual and it's the same thing I do with warming up, right? It had to make it a ritual. I had to focus on that because I know it's gonna benefit my workout and it's gonna benefit the way I feel and my joints are gonna,

they're not gonna be, give me those aches and pains. You know, as far as like treating my body right, you know, I got to do the same thing. I got to make a ritual during the week, especially because if I don't create that ritual as far as like how I'm eating and how I'm getting my nutrients, you know, it's going to affect me and it's going to have detrimental effects. And then I'll go into the weekend and then, you know, that's where things get really crazy. And I, you know, the excess comes in and all that. But, you know, that's the one thing, like, as long as my week, like I'm super focused on doing the right thing.

Well, you know, you said something earlier, Adam, about like what your food eats, you know, you got to pay attention to what your food eats. Here's a deal. If I get beef that's regular mass-produced beef, and I compare that to grass-fed beef, okay, grass-fed organic beef. There is a difference. They have a different fatty acid profile. There will be more inflammatory fatty acids in the mass-produced beef versus the grass-fed beef.

You could taste the difference. Eat grass, look at, grass-fed beef is not as delicious as grain-fed beef. It's true. You know, back in the day, I don't know if you guys do this. Yeah. Back in the day, it was more expensive to get grain-fed beef. Because it tastes tough a little bit.

It tastes a little bit better. Grass-fed beef. It's more tough. Right, it's got a different fatty acid profile. Even if they have the same macro nutrients. Yeah, but explain to people in your nerdy way, so I could break it down in a dumber way in just a minute, is the difference of what that does in your diet

when it comes to inflammatory issues and making sure you have an even amount of sixes and threes. And in your head, you're consuming meats. When your head, you think you're having a balance to that. Well, that inflammatory response that you get from having imbalanced fatty acid profiles or lots of different reasons.

It could be chemicals, sugars, inflammatory, starches can be inflammatory, gut imbalances can cause lots of inflammation. Inflammation is kind of like, if you think of dominoes, that first domino that goes down that causes this cascading events, cascading events of things that happen in your body, which are all the other dominoes. That first domino, a lot of times is inflammation. Once that inflammatory, you know, domino goes down, then the next domino goes down and it goes down the list and you get all kinds of different problems.

Systemic inflammation causes heart disease. It can cause heart attacks. It can cause insulin resistance. Of course autoimmune disorders, everything from rheumatoid arthritis to Crohn's disease. Inflammation on its own can trigger autoimmune disorder. So in other words, I can be perfectly healthy, get massively inflamed from something, even in infection and trigger boom, now I have what seems to be Crohn's disease, for example. So, inflammation is an important thing to pay attention to, and fatty acids are, you

know, because fatty acids and fats are what turn into prostagladins, which are what make these inflammatory signals and chemicals. If the balance of them is off, if you have too many nines and sixes and not enough threes, for example, you're going to have more of the inflammatory chemicals that cause inflammation. Now you don't want no inflammation. We've talked about this in the past. Inflammation is an important signal to our body. Well, I want to stop you right there and explain something that I know that a lot of people get this because I know you guys have probably had lots of clients.

Most people probably are not most. There's probably a good majority of you, especially if you've had a chiropractor or some sort of a doctor that has told you this, but most physicians recommend Omega-3 for this reason. Now here's the thing that, and this, unless you eat a lot of fish, if you eat a typical Western diet,

you probably are low. Yeah, and probably need a supplement with Omega-3, okay, so that's the first step. So maybe you're listening right now, and you probably are low. Yeah, and probably need a supplement with omega-3. Okay, so that's the first step. So maybe you're listening right now and you already do that. Well, here's some new science to me that I didn't know. So I'm always fascinated with sharing new information that I didn't quite understand until recent was that, now let's say you take your omega-3s, but if you still don't change your diet the way it was before and you're eating like, let's say, for example,

like this process beef and you're getting a ton of six and nines. Well, the cell, you can only get so much of the fatty acids in there, so what happens is it's, they're competitive against each other. And guess which ones win? The sixes and nines will always beat out the threes. So even if you're taking this fish foil, if you're already over consuming on the sixes and nines,

you don't allow that. Well, no, it's not a band-aid. Yeah, it's not a band-aid Yeah, it's not a bandaid. So just taking that, you're basically wasting your money on those if you're not also changing the diet. The idea is that you try and make healthier choices on top of that plus you add those omega-3s and there then you're gonna see a huge benefit

with the anti-inflammatory properties. Otherwise, you probably started taking those things and never really noticed a difference. And I'm like, oh my fucking quack, you didn't help me out. Well, let me give you an example when people in systemic inflammation, I'll use an extreme example. Okay, everybody's had a fever, right?

A fever is a centralized inflammatory response. It's the body attacking, trying to attack this, invading host, whatever it may be. When you have a fever, you're achy everywhere. Your whole body hurts. That's a great example, an extreme example of systemic inflammation. On what can happen when your body's inflammatory signals

or inflammatory system shoots up. Everything hurts. Everything feels stiff. So take that down a few notches. You might not be that stiff in that sore, but chronically over time, having systemic inflammation because you're not paying attention to what you're eating, all you're paying attention to are macronutrients and calories. That will wreak havoc on your body, on your body's health, but it will also wreak havoc

on your body's ability to be lean and to perform, to build muscle. So even for those of you who don't give a shit and just care about what you look like, I'm telling you right now, over time, you're gonna want to pay attention. I can't tell you. I cannot tell you how many people I know now that I came up through the ranks in the fitness industry with because now I'm 36 years old. So all these people now are under 30s and 40s and I can't tell you how many of them were like, oh man, I can't eat gluten anymore. I can't take protein powders anymore. I can't do this anymore because it bothers me. I get sick. And but when we were younger, they were doing it like crazy. And over time, you know, their body starts to reject it.

Do you think that's now affected their ability to get lean and to perform? Absolutely. Right. Absolutely. I'm so passionate about this topic because this is me. I mean, at 25 years old after I'd already been weight training already for good six plus years, I end up getting psoriasis, I don't know where that's weird. You know, then I get now into my 30s. I fucking hurt everywhere.

Akes and pains and all kinds of stuff. And a lot of this stuff I know is for a long time of poor eating, poor eating, supplements and taking and taking shit like that, bars and shakes, and everything like crazy. I've been doing that for years, and now I can see the difference. I can feel the difference and notice the difference, because I've done shows where I've told you guys before, I've run 100% food,

and then I've done other shows where I've allowed bars and stuff in there. I still get down to 2% body fat, but I can see and feel the difference on my body. I can see it aesthetically, and to maybe the average person can't tell, I can tell, you know what I'm saying? Because that's my physique.

And then I can feel the difference. And if you talk to me about this, because I knew this, I knew a lot of this stuff, even as a young trainer in my 25, I've already been studying and reading and working for five years in the industry. I was pretty knowledgeable by this time, but I still deaf eared it because you're young and you don't feel that shit right now.

So if you're listening right now and you're anywhere between 20 and 30 years old and you don't, you don't feel that shit. You doesn't bother you think you're invincible right now. Oh, you're not. You're not. I thought I was too. Well, it's it's I you know, I'm going to say it's coming. You know, it's old dinosaur thinking that only that a calories a calorie. It's out. Sorry. That's out. And that only macros count. That's also out. That's dinosaur thinking that only that a calories a calorie it's out sorry that's out and that only macros count that's also out that's dinosaur thinking we might sound a little revolutionary right now because we're you know kind of fitness guys but the health people and the wellness people have been talking about this for the last 10 years and over the next 10 years you're going to see everybody's going to go on this bad and wagon so everybody right now that's saying no no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It just proteins fats and carbs and calories. It's all about that, it doesn't matter.

I swear, I'll bet my house on it. They will be changing their tune in about five years because the whole industry is going in that direction, especially as more science is starting to come out. And I want to kind of end on this. I know a lot of us are focused about how we, on our looks, on the aesthetics, on my muscles, on my body body fat on how sexy I look.

Let me tell you something right now. Nothing is sexier than looking healthy. Yeah, yeah, okay, absolutely. And with that, don't forget to subscribe to Mind Pump. And please leave us a five star rating and review. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. For more information about this show and to get valuable free resources from Sal Adam and Justin, visit us at www.minepumpradio.com. Until next time, this is MindPump.