Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2093: The Pros & Cons of Using Chalk When Lifting, the Muscle Building Benefits of the 4-2-2 Tempo, How to Eat on Vacation Without Packing on Pounds & More

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Supplement with sodium for better sleep. (2:09) Kids grow up quickly! (7:29) Mind Pump’s earliest memories. (9:12) The after-40 body aches are real! (23:31) The saga of Arlo. (25:44) Do we have a quantum-entangled brain? (34:58) Eight things men secretly want their partner to do. (43:08) Schools didn’t teach these things when we were kids. (45:42) The importance for all coaches and trainers to learn how to build a business. (51:05) Shout out to Greg Williams Photography. (56:15) #Quah question #1 - Does using chalk weaken your grip in the long term? (57:18) #Quah question #2 - Can you explain 4-2-2 tempo, why it’s important, and its benefits? Should you cycle it with other tempos? (1:00:12) #Quah question #3 - Any advice on how to enjoy eating more food on vacation without guilt, while not going over the rails and bingeing? (1:04:14) #Quah question #4 - Who were your mentors and the people who inspired/believed in you? (1:09:47) Related Links/Products Mentioned For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump The Nutritional Coaching Institute (NCI) is diving deep into the murky waters of nutrition and business to uncover the truth and separate fact from fiction. From the latest fad diets to the shady practices, they’ll be answering the tough questions and get to the bottom of the issues that matter most. So, whether you're a nutrition enthusiast or a budding entrepreneur, this is the series for you! Visit here to sign up today! June Promotion: MAPS Cardio or Summer Shredded Bundle or the Bikini Bundle 50% off! **Code JUNE50 at checkout** New research suggests our brains use quantum computation The Effects of Cannabis (Marijuana) on the Brain & Body | Huberman Lab Podcast #92 8 Things Men Secretly Desire in Their Partner - Yahoo Visit Joy Mode for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first order** Why Your Tempo Matters When You Workout! – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump #1797: The 5 Step Strategy To Defeat Cravings Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (@hubermanlab) Instagram Greg Williams (@gregwilliamsphotography) Instagram Don Cardona (@dc.fit1) Instagram Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks) Instagram  

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One of the weird side effects of eating a whole food diet or going low carb is you have worse sleep. What the heck is going on? Here's what's happening. You need more sodium. When you eat a whole food diet, your sodium levels naturally go down. Your body tries to compensate by raising adrenaline. That's right, you get more adrenaline. sodium. When you eat a whole food diet, your sodium levels naturally go down, your body tries to compensate by raising adrenaline. That's right. You get more adrenaline. Now you have worse sleep. So if you have a whole food diet or go low carb, make sure you supplement with extra sodium, maybe put some electrolyte powder in your water. Elemente is a great brand or extra salt on your food. This should help take care of that one more thing. There's

a hormone that's released when you go to sleep that is an anti-deretic hormone. It prevents you from waking up every two hours ago. P, that also goes down when your sodium is low. So, what's the moral of the story here? Whole food diet or low carb diet, bump your sodium for all of you, for most of you, that'll make the biggest difference.

Was it you who brought this up already before on the show because, and not that long ago, we were talking about this. Maybe it was who brought this up already before on the show because not that long ago, we were talking about this. Maybe it was Dr. Cabral. I thought I heard this when we were doing our test, but I heard him or you say that that's a strategy to keep me from getting up and having to go peace so much. Or sodium at night. And so what I've tried to do is the water that I do drink like past four or five o'clock that I add the element packet in there and it does make a difference. Yep.

I was super fascinated by that. Yeah, I did not know that. Antidoretic hormone is what's released at night to prevent you from having to wake up all the time. And if your sodium is an adequate, then you're not gonna have enough of that. And so you're just gonna wake up and go pee throughout the whole night.

So do you even know that? I'm not sleeping at all to that, too. It is, night. So it helps you maintain that sleep angle to that too. It is, and you know what's interesting, is this has happened to me before. Where I'll go really low carb or like super whole foods, like no processing. And the reason why, by the way, this happens is processed foods are almost always really high in sodium.

Like really high, like you could eat a steak and potato and salt the hell out of it. And you're not gonna touch the amount of sodium that you get in the typical processed meal, okay? So if you have one or two processed meals a day, your sodium is really high. You cut those out automatically, your sodium drops quite considerably.

And if you work out and you sweat and you're healthy, you need to supplement with that. You need to increase your sodium. Otherwise, you're gonna start noticing the side effects. That is happening. I would go low carb and I'd wake up throughout the night and just have to go to the bathroom and I was like, this is really weird.

Nice to see you all. Besides having better performance and the gym and better energy throughout the day, it also affects your sleep like that. That's crazy. It does. Also potential headaches too. What are all the side effects you would say

from somebody who is not getting enough sodium? Because this is something that actually you don't hear a lot of people talk about. That's because we do in high sodium. Yeah, but none of this information is out there. It's just not, it's not a common thing that you even talk to like hardcore fitness people that are measuring and tracking all their food. It's not common at all. Because we've been hammered that sodium is bad, but the reality is that the reason why

there's studies that show that a lot of sodium is bad is because It always comes paired with a lot of calories So when you look at studies on people who eat a lot of sodium We were also looking at without trying or people who eat a lot of heavily processed foods Then they have worse health and then what they do is they blame it on the sodium That's not the case a whole food high sodium diet and healthy individuals actually has, not only does it have, for the most part, no detrimental effects, in many cases, there's studies that show that it's better for you

to be higher than it is to be low. So that's what happened. It got hammered into us. So as health and fitness people, we are like, oh, low sodium, that's the way to go. But it's the opposite. One of the side effects, weakness, irritability, anxiety, don't get a good pump. You just don't feel as much energy.

Is that brain fogging all of that too? Brain fog. I mean, when people talk about the keto flu, when keto was a big deal, everybody's going low carb and like, oh, I got this keto flu. Me time is so. It's so funny.

You would get someone like this. When I remember when I first learned this, I had a client, I was like, I got the keto flu. I said, let's see if it's really the low carb or sodium. And I gave them a bunch of sodium. And within 15 minutes, they notice a difference. Like holy cow, I feel so much better. It's like it was a sodium.

Had nothing to do with the fit you at low carb. Oh, the intramuscular fluid, like having that like excess to be able to feel in your workouts like for me, I totally notice it. Well, without a proper balance of electrolytes, your body can't communicate with itself. So the signals are off, the muscle contractions are off, you can get heart palpitations, that's another one.

Or you know, skipping a beat type of deal. That's, in fact, I was one of the first things I would do with clients when they would say that, besides they'd take it with your doctor, I'd also say, let's try adding some sodium and see what happens. Now there are cases where you don't wanna add sodium, but you'll know if this is you. You'll know if you're too hypertensive or whatever.

You'll work with nephrologists or something, they'll tell you. But otherwise, especially if you don't eat processed food, dump it on, makes a difference. And we've talked about this pre-workout workout take a packet of element about 30 minutes before and then go work out and you're gonna notice a difference in your in your pumps and your strength so yeah the sleeve bagel was is a big one and I know there's people watching right now are like oh crap that's me yeah that's so weird yeah actually it's just thinking about that I should probably try Yeah, actually, it's just thinking about that. I should probably try that out, man. Cause it's just been a battle.

Every night has been a battle of sleep, so. What'd you guys do this weekend? We had my son's graduation party. That was on Sunday. Yeah, is that what you just prepared that? Was that like the main thing? Yeah, that was the main thing. We had a great time.

I got to see my ex-wife's family I knew for a long, for many years, and obviously we got divorced, kind of lose touch or whatever. Hadn't seen them in a while, it was really weird because there's all these kids, well, they were kids when we got divorced, right? And now they're all, you know, they were all like 10, now they're like 18 years old, 17 years old. And I'm looking at them, I go up to one of them, like, who are you and he tells me, I'm like, holy cow, wow, you look way different. All of them were in the lifting weights, by the way.

Yeah, they're all like Jack, kind of. And I'm like, you guys are into working out. Yeah, this is cool. This is great. We had Katrina's nephew's 16th birthday yesterday also. And what's weird for me, that's a trip, is when I came into the family, when Katrina and I first met

Nathaniel who turned 16 Yesterday was Max's age. So it was a weird it was a different. It was like damn the time has flown Yeah, it's the thing that I remember when I first came to the family I'm not sure that was a thing that Katrina used to say to me when we first started dating She's like if my nephew doesn't like you. It's a deal breaker. Like that was the thing, because she was, does he like you? Yeah, he was attached to her, and they were really, really close

when I first came into the family, and seeing him now as a 16 year old young man, like it's a wild, like how fast that goes, dude. They changed a lot in those like teenage years too. I mean, there's little ones they change a lot too, but it's just crazy. You don't see them for like a year. It's what happened to your face.

It totally changed. Yeah, it's crazy. How far back does memories go for you guys? Can you guys recall the way back to like four or five years old? I can. You can't really four or five? Yeah, really. What about you, Jess?

Can you go that far? I need more new tropics for that. I think I smashed my head too many times. Can't remember yesterday. So what's your earliest memory, Sal? What would you say, you should remember being in my crib. What?

Get out of here. I swear to God. Really? I swear to God. Really? Yeah, I remember being in my crib and getting here. He was in at till five though. Yeah, I'm reading you, cycle of media.

Yeah, I didn't sleep at a bed till I was 13. My parents were very strict. No, I remember being in the crib and all of a sudden feeling like it was a lot of space around me and getting scared and like crying, calling out for my mom. So I was one of my first members. So I probably was two or something.

Wow. How what's your earliest year? I would say maybe when I was like five or six or something. Wow. How what's your early schedule? I would say maybe when I was like, say, five, six or something, and it's always like a traumatic thing. Like so it's not funny. Yeah, so the, it was Christmas, and I don't know what it was,

but I think my parents told me later on that I was just get really excited for Christmas like two of the point where I would throw up Really yeah, I keep it so icious about Christmas so anxious. Yeah, yeah, and my brother Do any surprises for you? I told you it was a bad gift received for no, I guess. This is probably all part of it.

But yeah, so I came down stairs, and I remember just being excited, my brother was like, let's open everything, and I was just like, oh, feel good. And just was like puking, we had this hallway at the time, and then my dad remodeled the house or whatever But I remember puke all the way down this hallway and all the stairs and my parents were just like oh Christmas You know you know you were a deep-feeling kid, right? You know what that is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the same

I mean I tell me again what deep feeling kid. I mean all the characteristics right they just feel a lot They feel everything. So their emotions and their feelings are just very, very amplified. Yeah. And they internalize for sure. Well, that's probably why he blocks everything out. He probably had to learn how to cope with it,

like shutting it off. But- A lot of buried stuff in there. Wait down there, I'll throw it up eventually. But, yeah, that's great. That was my memory. Let's see if we can get a really good time. I know, I know. I know one that would have kicked, We down there all thrown up eventually, but yeah Let's see if we can get a really I know I know I know that one that would have kicked I have on this mission like what could I do to make you The real friends Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all right. Yeah. Oh, man. That's funny. So you think it's around five.

You were about five or six. You're about five or six. Yeah, it's about five or six. What about you? You know, so you have a lot of memories. You don't, there's a lot of block space around. Yeah, very much so. That's for trauma.

Yeah, yeah, very much so. And I do, so I do have a young one like around five, but you know what though? What I don't know is, do I have that memory because there's a video of me and I've watched the video smitten but you know what though? What I don't know is, do I have that memory because there's a video of me and I've watched the video smoothing. You know what I'm saying? Is it a real, I can get back in that moment.

I can't, I have like a five years old coming down for Christmas and I remember coming down the, coming or out of my room, down the stairs, we were in a single family but I come down the hallway and I saw a desk and a bike and I remember running'm not down the stairs, we were in a single family, but I come down the hallway and I saw a desk and a bike and I remember running back to my,

this is my real, when my real dad was still alive. So I had to be five or six years old and telling him, I did Santa brought you a bike, dad, Santa brought you a bike. Like all excited for him, like it was his bike, it was really my bike.

But there's a video of that. What a nice kid. So I don't know if that is because I've seen that video so many times you know, or I actually have, I feel like I have that memory. I know, I've done that before. Well, I'll look at a picture or watch a video,

or you ever do this, you tell a story, you make up a story, tell your friends, you've been telling for so many years, you're like, was that a real story? It's just, I know. Never happening. Yeah, all the time. Like, I am like,

I don't trust seeing my memories. I'm gonna be honest with you guys. It could be like, it's like a crap shoot. It's 50, 50 chance it actually happens, you know? And then kind of like your crib one, I do have a very vivid memory for sure. As Americans, there's no video of this of when I had my tonsils removed.

And that was when I was six and waking up. I remember them before going down. I remember the counting backwards. Remember them, my mom telling me, everything's gonna be okay. We'll be right there when you wake up and then waking up and they weren't. And then like screaming, crying, like,

just being terrified. Like, all I remember was going under and then waking up in this hospital room where I didn't know anybody or anything like that. And I remember being flucked. You know what's interesting about that? Is that it's really important, even if it's hard and you feel like your kids

not gonna have a great reaction to tell them exactly what to expect because it's worse. Right. So it's like, you know, like parents will do this, they'll put the kid down for an app. They'll be, let's go, let's sneak out. Or they'll have them play with the baby, so let's sneak out while he's not looking or whatever.

Like no, you get to tell them because it's worse when they realize mom and dad's not here. And what happened. Oh yeah, you know? You know, you gotta have to deal with the whole like, well, because, you know, my young brain connects that as you lied to me. Exactly.

You deceived me. You know what I'm saying? You said you were gonna be there than you were. Like, you have gaps in memory you've talked about. Do you know what, like years or there were like whole spans where you're like, I don't remember between the stage and the stage? Yeah, I don't, there's not a lot.

So that goes that far back. And then after my dad's death, from seven to 10, 12 years old, there's chunks of stuff. And unfortunately, mostly, and I know this like about, I'm wise enough to know that my life was not every day, drama and bad. Like we went to Disneyland, we did some positive things, it wasn't all bad. In fact, the bad times in my household were about every six months.

That was kind of the, maybe sometimes earlier, sometimes, but we were in this pattern of my stepdad and my mom would get into these vicious fights about every six months. Then we hated my stepdad, we kicked him out, and then he would come back, you know, a month later, be back in the house, and then, and when they come back and reconvene, it was always like honeymoon phase. My parents went through this, like they had this

terrible behavior of, you know, extremely bad, and they're hot cold, right? And then when they came back, it was like, you know, they were, I was, at the parents that were like, making out why they're driving cold, right? And then when they came back, he was like, you know, I was at the parents that were like making out why they're driving and stuff like that, because they're like in love again for that time of getting back together.

And so during that time, it was pretty good. So there was, but I don't, I still, a lot of it is like blocked out and blurry. And like, if you tell me something, I was with my aunt and uncle that actually played a big role in raising me. My mom would drop me off every summer there, which by the way, that's a,

here's an interesting conversation, right? So every summer, some of my best memories come from spending it with my aunt and uncle, Jan and Emil. My mom would drop me and my sister there, and they lived in the Bay Area. This is when we lived in the Valley. And we would come and we would do great America and do happy hollow, and just spend the whole summer we would do great America, and do happy hollow,

and just spend the whole summer with them. And they had a very strict household, but they had, I had five cousins, you know. So it was a good time. Yeah, it was a great time. And they're all age groups, and so, you know, playing in the yard, and just, I remember lots of great memories.

With that, actually, most of my memories are like, are with them. Now, the part that I thought was crazy, is that I did that my whole life. And I was telling Katrina, like could you imagine like dropping max off for three months or even a month or even a week without our son? Like her and I trip out when,

I mean we're getting ready to take off to Tennessee right now. And I'm like, I might not see my son for five days and that's like, ugh, like so hard for me. And I think dude, my mom, my mom dropped me in my sister off of my ass. But like she didn't even like come in and come have dinner with my aunt. Uncle was just like, literally pull up to the driveway. Walk us to the door, you know, hug him, walk out the door. See you in three three miles to put you on a thought. And it didn't don't mean as a kid, how kind of different and weird that is.

As an adult, I think, and having a kid now, they're like, there's no fucking way, dude. There's no way I've let him back. I'm just, I don't know, I think I love my kid too much. It's like I'm going for that long, but I have memories with him a lot. So, but which is cool, that those are a lot of positive memories. Yeah, it's like you do, it's like you're raised

a particular way, you try and do a little better than the way you were raised and so on and so forth. So I guess I'm sure if you look back, maybe your mom probably had it much different and worse. Oh, my mom had, I mean, the empathy that I have like for my mother and it took me till I was in my 30s before this came full circle of like I mean I when I and I hope I'd never come off that way when I talk about on the podcast of being like

resentful or you know I don't wish anything was different I mean I'm grateful for the life that I had I'm grateful that I made it in that it made me into who I was today I also recognize my mom had a con artist for a father who was in and out of prison. It wasn't a part of her life when she was in my grandmother raised her and my uncle by herself working full-time job plus a swing shift. She had two jobs, you know, in the Bay Area. Like, so my mom raised herself with her and her brother basically in San Jose, or in the East Side San Jose area two or gangs. And so she was around all that.

My uncle was in a gang like, so she had a rough child. I hear stories of my dad will tell stories and he tells them all like, they're funny. You know, and as a kid, I'd hear these stories like, that's funny. You're dad ran over your bike with his car because you were home late. You know, that's so funny.

I think about it now. Yeah, you know, you're like, how traumatizing that would be. Yeah, dude, my dad was so poor. Like, he scrounged up a little bit of money and bought a, like, a crappy bike. Someone was gonna throw away. It was just price. It was your soul.

Showed up late for dinner for 10 minutes. My grandfather got in his three-wheeled, like, the truck that he sells fruit out of and just ran it over. Yeah. You know, my dad was like 12. But I used to hear that story. And I'm like, that's hilarious. Then as an adult, like, wow, that was terrible.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's hilarious. Then as an adult, like, wow, that was terrible. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty so. My dad had to grow up like, and he kind of was a parent to his parents as well, because like my grandma was always sick. She was like, just ill, always. Like, and so he had to like cook and do everything and like basically run the house and everything

while, you know, shoes are and stuff. And he was an only child and so he's got all that. And so me growing up, he's like, we had to have everything was exactly in order with his military background. It was very run like a military in my house and everything. So it's like, but yeah, if you look back and you have that empathy, it all makes sense.

This is the way they grew up. You start realizing that. Why, you know, why like he needed that kind of control. You know what I mean about stories about like families in countries that were really affected by World War II, like in England, that they would do with some other, because they were getting bombed by Germany.

Dude. They'd send their kids off to the country in random families. Yeah. To keep them safe. Random families would take these kids. And so by kids, you're gone for however long, because we have to survive these bombing raids or what, like stuff like that. I think if you believe you're going to be a generational character in your family tree, you have to get to a point where you accept like how your parents raised you

as the best they could with the tools they had in order for you to break that and then change that. Because it's really easy when they raise you that way, you're a child, so you're downloading and processing all those, whether you like it, resent it as your daughter or not, it's still being processed in the brain as normal. Well, you're psychologists say that children do that

because that's your caretaker. So the survival mechanism is to internalize it as it's you. Yeah. And not it's them, it's you. Right. Otherwise, because that's without a caretaker, you're dead. Right. And then all the things that you witness and see,

if you were in a volatile type of household where they're screaming and yelling and even abuse both verbally and maybe physically like you see that even as a young child and then when you go out into the real world and try and build a family for yourself your brain recognizes those patterns as normal. So then when you get yourself into a relationship and unfortunately find you end up gravitating towards the same type of person that your mom or dad were attracted to, it's really tough. And being older now, I see this. I didn't see it as a kid of maybe because I was an old enough to care to pay attention. But now that, you know, we're in our 40s and 50s for dog like, and you look at these people that you've watched grow up

and they're on second, third generation, it's like, man, you can really see how that type of behavior or that type of mindset can just poison a whole tree, a whole family tree because they just one cycle after another can never break it and it really takes somebody in the family to have enough self-awareness to process that and then also accept and love your parents. I think you have to do that in order to really, truly break the cycle. Plus, our parents were young. You guys were young too and they had you, right?

They were young. My parents were like 20. Yeah, they were children. Yeah, it was like right after you got back from Vietnam. So I do have a funny memory though that since we were talking about like, you know, some of our first memories. Like to this day, when I walk up stairs,

like I kind of like run up the stairs and I skip up the stairs. Like it's just like something that's... The monster doesn't get you. Dude, okay. No joke. Like so, my dad, so there used to be a, like in our stairway in our house,

like you could hide underneath the stairs. You don't even know anybody's under there in this corner. And so as the stairs kind of like band and go up this way, it's open. Oh, so someone could grab it. So he grabbed, he used to grab my ankle every now and then, like, as I was coming up the stairs,

and I had no idea, like, I remember it just like, so this day still is there. Like I walk, I'm like, ah, that's hilarious. Yeah, and it's so stupid. And like, but it's still like, is there? I'm like, ah, that's hilarious. Yeah, and it's so stupid, but it's still something. I'm just like, look, there's some, run up there. It's possible. Speaking of stairs, brother that up.

So last night, we're like moving a bunch of furniture to Katrina, why we're gone is gonna be remodeling and doing stuff of the house. And so it's kind of like helping her move stuff. And I'm upstairs, and I'm like sitting down, I'm like sitting down, I'm like looking, it was like, I was actually really angry and upset. And she's like, what's wrong with you? I'm like, man, I tell you what, like after 40, like I like my body fucking feels

different. And it's really frustrating because you know, everybody said that shit to you. Yeah. And I and I'm like, and I'm like, and I brush it off. And yeah, I brush it off. I'm a fucking fitness guy. Like I'm taking care of this shit. Like that's not going to happen to me. Like it's not, I'm gonna feel that. And if I do, it's gonna be way later, whatever. But like this stuff happens to me now all the time and it really irritates the fuck out of me. I'm walking down the stairs,

I'm carrying like this heavy cushion thing that's loaded with like an amp. So it's, I don't know, it's maybe 80 to 100 pounds. It's not crazy heavy, but it's heavy and it's awkward. And I'm carrying it downstairs. And when I get to the last step, I actually missed the last step. And so I think it's only one more step at a little bit.

That's the worst feeling, bro. And so I miss. Where are you feeling the fall? And then my foot just slammed, something. Now, I didn't fall. I didn't roll anything, but just the impact of thinking that it was one step, which is just an extra six inches of my heel foot.

And now I, it fucking, my leg started to swell up and it was one step, which is just an extra six inches of my feet, foot in that way. It fucking, my legs hurt as swell up, and it was hurting, and I'm just like, then I was limping the rest of night, and I'm like, so mad, I'm just like, I can't even have a little fumble, you know what I'm saying? And not feel hurt from it. I just, what is that?

Because when you miss and you're going full throttle, doing anything, so punching, and then you miss, and you get air, it's just totally wrecked you. Stabilizing my overdrive. Yes, because it's just still going and there's nothing to slow it down. She was like, what's wrong with you?

I'm just fucking so angry right now. She's like, what are you angry at? I'm fucking being over 40. She's like, what? Like, what is that? I'm like, it just, my body, this, things like this happen and it makes me mad because I'm in fitness. I'm a trainer.

I know the body better than most people. And yet, I still have these things that happen to me all the time. How do you think the average? I'm fit. That's how she snaps me out of it. Well, honey, you know, you could be like this to that. I'm like, okay, okay, it makes me feel a little bit better.

So on the top of the ship piles, which is, it's me a ship pile. Thanks for segwaying that for me, dude. I have feel a little bit better. So on the top of the ship piles, which is, Spea a ship pile. Thanks for segwaying that for me, dude. I have to, and being angry. So the saga of Arlo, my dog, and you guys know, like, the kind of like back story of like him just being a total pain in my ass.

Oh, it's hilarious. So it's like, I was home all weekend by myself with the kids and we had a great time. I tried to make the most of it with like, we go see movie We go you know bike riding I was like real active this weekend doing stuff with them having a good time and The only thing is that the dogs kind of get put aside a bit right? I don't have like I Can't manage all of it by myself real easily and so I tried my best like we go and like a walk with them and stuff

But they don't get enough exercise when it's just me. And they're super active, it's super active. And he especially, like, just needs it, otherwise, he just like spins out. And I, and I, he was fine. Like the whole weekend was great. And then I called my buddy, he has a dog that like plays well with them. And so he came over and so they're playing doing their thing. And I'm like walking down this trail and we're in the woods and Arlo just, he's going to fetch a ball. He goes down the hill and he's there a bit and I'm like, Arlo, he comes back up and before he even gets up, we just smell it.

We smell it. He comes up. His whole face is like, he literally, it looked like he stuck his face in a bowl of like brown pudding. And it was all just shit, just smear. What? It was poop all over his face, dude. What, where do you find a bunch of poop? Where, right, why?

Like lots of questions. You know, like, okay, down here, this is where like everybody does, there's a Frisbee golf course and they just opened it up again and so there's Frisbee golf guys and let me just describe to you like a Frisbee golf person, okay? I'm getting so happy to be here. I don't care, okay. They're stoners, they're on stuff, and they're down, they're having a good time, great. That's perfect.

One of them, This is my theory Okay, because it was not it was not dog shit, okay, what it did not smell like dog shit It was not human shit Okay, and there's a lot of it so it cannot be just like some little deer. Yeah Some little animal a little cute animal. It's terrible, right? So it it smelled like something terrible like it's like like you know, you like something we would produce I'm not sure you guys in there I eat good things Everybody shit stinks anyway

It's all his face dude and I just And like you said, dipped it in. I was like, come on, I was trying so hard to, you know, help him out and like get him exercising. And so my well party's over. My friend like, see you later, dude. I like, chain him up and then spray him off. And of course I sprayed him. I gave him a little bit of like psychological tormenting

because he's like, you want him to board it up? Yeah. I'm like, you know, like with a little bit of psychological tormenting because it was like, you want to board it up? Yeah, I'm like, you know, with a little bit extra. This is why I feel really bad because it was like, you know, you get the guilt after it all said and done. I actually lose my shit on him more than anything else. I don't know what, I hate that. I don't like what he makes me feel.

And so I'm just like spraying him. Like, didn't beat him, didn't do nothing. Just getting all the shit off of him. And so he's out there. I'm like, you need to sit here and think about what he did. And I go inside and we're doing our thing. I go back out and he's just kind of sitting there and then I bring him in, I wash him off.

And everything seemed fine. He was like, clean now, we took a shower. And I need to go get dinner. And so I take the kids with me to go get dinner and I come back and I had closed all the doors and we leave him out because they're usually fine. But somehow he found his way into like my laundry and he ate like all my favorite socks. Wow. Oh my God.

And there's just like sell this dog. Shreds of my favorite socks, I just bought all over like the living room and I just was like, he just got you back. I was just pretty my face. Yeah, it was tough. And I was just like, and I was like, don't do it dude. Don't do it go get some air. Yeah, we're outside

You'll help me and just breathe in through it This is when you're praying hey right before right before I trip to when you want to pack all your socks I'm a good executive. Broguing his suits and he's gonna bring it to Jesus Sandals. What's up with the sandals and the suits, bro? It's in piss. It gets worse, you guys. Oh, there's more to get to work. Oh my God, really?

Yes, so I, you know, so he, I have the door closed, you know, Everett's going out there to kind of, you know, he's like, oh, dad, you know, everything all right, you know, and he opens the door, Arlo jams out, you know, and he runs out there. I'm like, oh, dad, everything all right. He opens the door, Arlo jams out. And he runs out there. I'm like, oh, oh, and I go and grab him right before he was going to right back to the shit. And I grab him, I bring him inside.

And then now he's like, he's like scared to me. He's in the voice and everything. And he starts peeing a little bit. And I'm like, oh, okay. And he's peeing on his way in. And so I'm trying to like calm and he's peeing on his way in and So I'm trying to like calm down. We're watching we're watching a movie. He starts peeing and like just walk around I'm just peeing all over all over the house. Just peeing He steps on the couch

Peas on the couch and Yeah, at that point he's still alive you guys Yeah, you still have this dog, that's a little alive. And so I, man, I was so pissed, dude. I didn't like, anyway, so I realized like, okay, he's out of it. Like he wasn't acting himself at all. Like I'm like, maybe he's sick or something. And turns out, like, he started like, maybe he's sick or something. And turns out, he started like,

like, swaying like this. And he's like, he's like tripping out. And then he starts really tripping out. And he's like, he's like, looking down. And he's like, his eyes are kind of like, oh, no. And I'm like, freaking out. I'm like, maybe he's like, really sick.

You know, and like, all this is like, and I'm an asshole. Well, you know, like, ready to just kill him. Maybe he got something from the poo. And so this is my theory. And so he's just sitting there and I finally got him to calm down. He's laying down on his bed

and he's just like, like kind of rocking like this. And I'm like petting him and like trying to calm him down. Feeling terrible about that. He's just feeling terrible because like, y'all, like, made him piss and, you know, scared him. And so he's just like tripping out and then he just keeps tripping.

And finally, he kind of calms down, goes to sleep, I was calling Courtney, maybe I should take him in and she's like, well, let's see, like if he falls asleep and then he did. But he literally looked like he was tripping balls and I'm like, he ate something. Now back to the story about the Frisbee golfers, right? And what they do.

Okay. So one of my theories, one of them is shroomed out, whatever, there's no, you know, portapoddy anywhere near, goes, take the shit, you know, in the woods near my house, Arlo eats it, and he's now feeling whatever they feel. I don't know if it works like that. I don't know if the psilocybin goes through your system

into your poop. However, poop itself can grow weird muscles. Yes, exactly. So maybe that was the other thing. Maybe there's like mushrooms inside that and it's been there a while. I don't know. I didn't even see it.

I didn't see what you're talking about. It starts talking. What are you such an asshole to me, Dan? Yeah. So, okay, so almost done, right? Whoa. Yeah, so if I get him to sleep and then I put the boys to sleep and I'm, I haven't even packed yet, then I pack it like two in the morning, you know, after I clean all the shit up,

he wakes up at five in the morning and he pukes. And I only know that he puked, I didn't hear it, nothing. I just know it because I smelled it Oh, and he put on my carpet and like just yorked like chunks of it for sure ate something Yeah, yeah 100% he ate something. Yeah, so it was whatever he ate. I was like oh no Maybe I like terrorized them to the point where he was like, you know I was full of his guilt about it, you know, and then I'm like I feel no guilt Fuck that bro. Yeah, he pissed his. He's like normal and he's like happy and everything

And I'm like dogs are strong dude dogs are strong. They can eat almost anything and be okay Yeah, I have like yeah, but I have gluten and I'm gonna eat almost anything and be okay. I have gluten and I'm ruined for a week. You know what I mean? Dogs eat poop and then trip out a little bit and they're okay. Or eat some grass. You're done by the way. That's the Sicilian cure for dogs for anything. What's wrong with the dog?

Give me some grass. Let me get some grass. So we find it's a grass. I think it's cancer. So that's my saga of the week. That's crazy. Dude, dude. So you're not gonna get rid of them though, huh crazy. Yeah, dude, Roodle. So you're not gonna get rid of them though, huh?

I mean, I'm looking into it. So that was your week, kid. That was my week. Oh my God. It was rough. It was fun, dude. It was fun and then rough immediately. That's brutal, dude.

Well, I'm gonna segue into cool science stuff. You guys wanna hear something interesting about the brain? Always. Yes. Did you know that they've identified potential quantum phenomena in the brain How in the brain they they think they've identified quantum entanglement happening within the brain and they think that the that consciousness may be

being formed in the quantum space So it's way more complicated that consciousness may be being formed in the quantum space. So it's way more complicated. So unpack that. I'm too dumb to. Do you know quantum entanglements? No. You get two particles, they become entangled. I don't know, don't ask me how.

You can separate them by as much space as you want. You can put one here, one on the other side of the universe. If you spin one, the other one spins the opposite direction, instantly. So either information is traveling infinitely fast, or there's somehow connected. Or there's no space, they're actually still connected. They're seeing that this phenomenon

might be happening in the brain. And they think that maybe that's where consciousness is created is through this kind of quantum space Really trippy, right? Yeah, really weird shit. It shows high for this. Yeah, I know way too much for my brain Well, you know what this this leads me to think is that we keep talking about creating What is it general? General intelligence artificial general intelligence, right? We think AI and we're gonna make this like self-aware intelligent computer.

We don't understand our own brains at all. So we're definitely gonna create something that's not like us. That's been closed. So what's their theory with that? I mean, like it's, the brain I've heard of it described is almost like a signal. It's like you're picking up signals

and that's all feeding into your consciousness. Yeah, that's one theory. Don't you? Okay, so I've never envisioned the future of AI looking just like us. I just, I think it'll be a very sophisticated Google search. Right? That's what, like, I imagine like what they're going to do really well or where we definitely can get is being able to like mathematically

reduce down to the most, you know, common answer or idea, but it'll never have the inconsistency and the variability and emotional side of a human. It's never, you can't replicate that because that is so diverse and moving so rapidly and always changing and evolving that and there is no, it's completely, there's so much randomness to it that you can't quite put a mathematical equation to solving it. So I always imagine that, you know, that's where AI will be always distinguishable from a human being is it's always going to have this very Google-like mathematical response to you. Yeah, you know, yeah, you want to know what's even weirder from all of this, you know, is that I don't know if you guys knew this but the heart

the heart creates signals that are connected to like the heartbeat can be tied to short-term memory and aging. And there's certain signals that happen in the brain that create a corresponding spike in the brain at a identical time, at the same time. Have you guys heard of how the heart is like another brain

or the gut, is that another brain? I've heard of it. I think it's describing like heart math. There's this whole science. Yeah, you know what's weird about this? Is that in ancient like teachings in wisdom, we've always talked about the heart and the gut and the brain.

Like we've known, like we felt this, and now we're reading about this and learning about what's going on. Three different types of knowledge there. Super strain, and then what you said about the brain being the theory is that it might, one theory is that it's really like a antenna. Yeah.

And it's just like a radio. Like the radio, you turn on a radio, there's the music, but that's not the source of the music. Right. That's just picking up the source. It's coming from somewhere in the universe. Yeah. Yeah.

Kind of crazy. Like you know, so I'm tripping out about that stuff. So little we know, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I do think this requires weed for sure. No, for me it does. You know what, I think it makes you a softball version. No, so Huberman was talking to Joe Rogan about his theories on wheat.

They're talking about different substances that have potentially positive effects. Right. And like things like alcohol, zero, There's zero positive things that are happening in the brain and for you. That makes ugly people looking more dry. Oh yeah. But there's nothing that would ever promote you. Oh, I should drink because it potentially

could put me in some like neurologically or in a better, like there's no, but the weed does have that. There are these situations where, and we've talked about things like creativity, creativity, still sirens also known this way because it opens up different pathways. So these types of drugs and small doses or controlled environments do have these positive things. Did you see that clip?

Did you guys not watch that clip? I haven't watched that clip. I haven't watched the whole Hubert man. I can't remember the last time I watched a full gel rug and I can can't watch a full. I just haven't had anybody who I wanna hear for three hours that bad where I listened to a whole three hours. That's a long time. It is a long time.

Yeah. You do though, you're pretty consistent. Yeah, we like the Graham Hancock ones. I love the same one, Randall Carlson. Yeah, I just say what he did. Yeah, I don't know. I like people that are kind of skeptical and detectives and they're like kind of going out

and doing their own research in terms of like piecing out our history. I think our history is so, I guess it's been so biased based on whoever was in power at the time. And like so it's like a lot of it's just scrubbed out. I'm with you, I actually am interested in that, Josh, until I know I'm with you. I actually am interested in that, Justin too. I know I might tease you about that stuff,

but I actually, I think that we assume a lot because we've been told something when we're gone. Oh, that's the way it is. Because I read it in one book or my teacher told me. So if we just all, I don't know. Like my mind's been blown so many times, even with just nutrition and, you know, what we do for fitness to where it's like,

dude, we've got so many things wrong. And when I thought in the beginning is completely the opposite of what I think now. So why wouldn't history be the same? Why wouldn't all these other aspects of education be the same? Well, especially when the best recorded versions that we have is fucking drawings on rocks. That's the best that we have. And there's theories. And there's stories.

There are stories and songs about civilizations like Atlantis. That we're like, oh, we think it's a myth maybe. Maybe and then you start seeing evidence. Where it's like, oh, weird. That does kind of coincide with that theory. What's crazy is even the stuff that we do know that we say, okay, this is legit. Like there's certain historical records

on military weapons. We still don't know how they existed, like Greek fire. Like that was something the Greeks used in the war, and it was like nape home. We don't know how they made it. Just go back through the records of the patent office and see what was patented like in 1910 or something, right? It's gonna blow your mind.

You guys ever see Tesla's drawing of a UFO? He tried to create, yeah, he wrote up like, this will be like a flying device. That's what I mean. Like, people had radical ideas and like patented these things that we see today that are like new. There's this one weapon. I think the Greeks used it too.

They wrote about, and it was like a big, we think it was a big magnifying glass. They aim it at, or reflective device that would aim at ships, and would cause it to set fire. Yeah. And they tried to recreate it. It was a big golden mirror that would, yeah, they said it would intensify.

That's Tesla's, yeah, what is that? That's his flying saucer. Look at that, I've never seen that. It's trippy. He wrote that, he's like, was it a patent dug or did he just, I don't see that as patented. Pat wrote that he was it a patent dug or did he just I don't see that is pet bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad 1927. Yeah, 1927, look at that. It looks like a UFO. It's a scene. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that is.

Who had written the thing about the eight things that I did? I got, I was just gonna bring that up. Okay, I wanna hear that. You ever read an article? I love something. You ever read an article that's about like men, but you're like, a woman wrote this. Yeah.

Or vice versa too, right? So you see both directions. I got intrigued, right? The title of the article was, eight things men secretly want their partners to do. Now you guys both directions. I got intrigued, right? The title of the article was, eight things men secretly want their partners to do. Now you guys are men. This is so like a cause. Well, yes, secret.

Yeah, so when you guys do this as a man, eight things men secretly want their partners to do, I'm like, this is gonna be some weird section. Yeah, all right. No, none of it. Oh really? Yeah, number one, show appreciation. Number two, be supportive.

Hold hands. Number three, be attentive like you know respect boundaries You know surprise them like men secretly I thought it was gonna be way better than I was really interested. I'm like oh wow What are eight things that I secretly want? Love you honey tell me your deepest darkest secrets. I want you to, you know, just to acknowledge me. Were there any, did you feel any of them? None of them, they were that far off.

No, dude. Oh, man. Oh, man. I was all excited to hear that. I thought it was. You ever read the like the sex art, when I was a kid, like, you know, I appreciate you.

Most houses back in the day when we were kids, I'm sure you guys same thing. They would have like a little, like magazines next to toilet, right? Remember that, right? And when I go to people's thing. They would have like a little, like magazines next to toilet, right? Remember that, right? And when I go to people's houses, sometimes they'd have like glamour or some like, you know, women's magazine.

There was always like sexual tips or whatever. I used to read them and be like, really? Yeah. Like a guy wants you to like, you know, give them a bubble bath and rub his back. He's like, what do you really want you to take on me? Yeah, I want some. I want.

Well, though I'd dig a good bubble bath, you to. I don't want you to take all of me. Although I dig a good bubble bath. You know what I mean? You can't do it. You said those rules. I feel guilty. I take some of the baths. You take them every day? Not every day.

I wouldn't say that. How many days a week? At least three days. And you do candles and everything? No. You don't? Bubble. No.

I do bubbles. Yeah. We do have this like lavender, epsom salt, bubble bath stuff that I really like, the way it feels. I mean, I also, part of it is that like it's, I'm a loofah. No, I think a bath of max a lot. Like I know that there's only so long that I'm gonna be able to have a bath.

Yeah, you're not gonna be doing that one, yeah. Yeah, if you do, the bubbles is the move. We're already getting pretty close, you know what I'm saying? We're soon here, buddy. You and I can't be doing this anymore. It's gonna take a matter of point. Yeah, eventually gets weird. So this is at one point we got to break this.

So yeah, but dad likes it right now. Well, he can. Yeah, no, it's cool. I actually had, I mean, I get the TV up and watching basketball. And then over there, we got the bubbles going him and I are playing and doing all kinds of crazy stuff. Yeah. Dude, he's, so speaking of the max, I of the max, I've told you guys, this is the third school we've had them in.

I mean, this school is teaching him addition, bro. He's three years old and he's like learning, yeah, he's learning addition, he's learning the presidents, he's learning the planets and like, we are playing. And when I notice it the most, because of course I see the homework and things like that, is I mean, I know that they're doing a good job of teaching them because we're playing, we play Angry Birds where we pretend like we're, well, we play a game of Angry Birds mixed

with Mario where, you know, we're Angry Birds and we're going to destroy Mushroom Kingdom, right? So we do things like this and we're, and the Jacuzzi and we're pretending we're firing stuff. You know, I'll push the button off, Cannonball and you say something. He's like, oh, fire the asteroid and I go, yeah, what an asteroid is. Where the heck, I've never said that to you. You never talked about that.

I'm not great. Yeah, I asked Katrina, I'm like, how does he know what an asteroid is? Because oh, no, they're learning about the planets and stuff right now, so they're talking about space and everything. I'm like, oh my God, dude, so, so cool to see that. I mean, I didn't go to school until I was five, right?

Or even, yeah, I was five or six when I was at school. I started late, right? No, no, no, I started early, five. So I started school at five, and our generation, like you didn't learn like, I mean, you just learned what an ass word it was the other day. Yeah, so I think, yeah, you get like, you get like paste and cutting.

Like that's like the extent of education, I think in, you know, five years. You can use paste, you remember paste? I don't know if they do because yeah, I think they might Because these glue sticks I think now now yeah, whatever happened to paste I was so good. Did you eat paste hell yeah, you did too? Yeah, it's mentee. What the hell's wrong with you guys is mentees? I never ate it paste. You didn't eat paste. Oh, I thought that was a joke when people said the kids ate paste. Really? You really ate paste?

At least tasted it. Really? Yeah, yeah. I tell you, I always was like taking globs of it, but I didn't know. I mean, I also mean the kid that would take those like smelling those real good smelling highlighters.

Highlights. High. I'd like lick it. Oh, no, I like to smell it. Oh, yeah. Smell it in the ligate. But you know, do you guys, I mean, obviously, we probably don't.

We were just talking about how far back you remember School's in deep stuff like that. I mean you weren't learning and you can see like obviously the kid can't do like real serious Madeline up, but I mean if he's getting used to hearing all those words and terms and things now It's gonna seem familiar to him as he gets older. Do you love you rough and tumble? Do they yeah? I don't know if they, I don't think so. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think they did it at the school like yeah, my kids went. Really?

Yeah, it was awesome. They had like a special room and it's like they had, you know, a teacher there managing it and then let them rough and tumble. They treat fighting, we did it from all sorts of kids. When we were little kids and we'd fight, they kind of let us get it out and then pull us apart but they'd go back to class. So apart from boys. Yeah. So like dude, you know, they got to figure that out.

They can put it in a safe environment. Yeah, we haven't had that yet. Although we do have, there's a kid who, so Katrina, you know, this is my first little bit of like seeing mama bear come out, right? She's like, I need to, I need to find out who this Patrick kid is. I'm like, what's going on? She's like, this is, this is the third day that I've asked Max about playing so with that.

And he said, Patrick's mean. And I'm like, honey, like he's a kid. Maybe he didn't share a toy or something. Like you're gonna, no, our son is not like, he never, this is like the third time. This would be one thing, it was one time, three times a row. And so sure of shit, she's like down to the fucking principal's office,

talking to the teacher and what that teachers, who's this Patrick kid and what's going on? And I guess the teacher said, oh, you know, we have been having some trouble with it. So the kid is he, genre. So you can get into this, this, this, this school I think is early as three, right? When you first turn three.

So Max is almost four now. And at three years old, a lot of times, like, I don't remember Max, like you're, you don't know how to communicate very well. And so you're more physical when you want something, you're teaching me. And this little boy loves my son and they play together and they're friends. But my son is like friends with everybody. And so the teacher is like, he's falling around.

Well yeah, and he goes, you know, Max gets along with everybody. And so sometimes he likes to play with Patrick. Sometimes he wants to play with the girls. Sometimes he wants to play with his other friends. And so when he does, the kid will pull on him and won't let him go and then Max doesn't like it. And the kid doesn't like to communicate very well. And so I talk to Trina, I was like, calm down.

You don't say no, get some kid up. You don't say the poor little kid likes our son and he doesn't know how to communicate. I said, they'll work it out and stuff. But I had a proud dad moment. She's like, we were talking about this whole principal office thing and she was there. And she goes, I came up with him.

And as soon as I walked to the office, there was like one of the girls from the class and there she was like, oh my god, hi Max, Max, Max. And then someone heard Max's name and then two other girls come running around the corner, they're like, oh my god, it's Max, it's Max. And they're like, oh, you know what I said? Katrina's telling me a story and and like I don't know it's happening. I'm getting like this big grin on my face She's like I knew you were gonna get all like that. I'm like we're talking about I was just listening to you

She's like you're like proud dad mo because your son's wanted by all the girls I guess it kind of is a little bit you you know what I'm saying? You want that kid that's like that? That's popular. Yeah, he's so, you know. Yeah, the teacher says that. She goes, he's just, he's so well-liked, because he's so nice and plays with everybody. That's why this whole thing with his Patrick kid was like the first incident we've had where someone

doesn't like him, but I was like, oh, it's nothing he doesn't like him. The kid just doesn't know how to communicate. Yeah, he's little. Yeah, be patient, huh? Don't go fight some mom right now. So we're supposed to mention, are one of our sponsors, NCI. You know, this reminds me of a conversation that we've had many times on the show.

For people who are thinking about becoming coaches or trainers, it's definitely important to learn your craft that's a given, but it's equally if not more important to learn how to build a business. So the way you cannot help anybody. And this, when I, when I manage gyms, this is what made my trainer successful. Was that I focused on teaching my trainers how to build a successful business, because when I would have trainers that knew

how to train people, but they couldn't build a business, they couldn't help anybody. They just didn't know how to build their business and how to get a clientele. This is what NCI does really well. So that's one of the things that they do best, I say. Did I tell you what happened to me on the last NCAA call?

No. So it was the time before last that I was on the call. And I think I took Doug's time because Doug had something and I think we switched or something like that. And so I had like back to back like weeks, I don't know know. So the audience doesn't know every Wednesday, you get either Justin Sal Doug or myself with NCI. And it's like, I think it's 99 bucks or something like that a month. And you get these Zoom calls where we come on there. And we, and you basically

it's an open for for all these coaches and trainers to ask us whatever. And this last one, and I think it was because of the last one they had with you, one of you too, they had like all kinds of great like coaching and nutrition stuff that people were asking like what to do with certain clients that had all these issues. Oh yeah. And so I got like a really heavy call like that. And so. I have a lot of questions on my last one. Oh, so maybe it was you who I followed.

And I just came out with them after, I answered them and then afterwards I said, hey, I just want, just to just be complete, complete transparency with you guys. I said, Justin and Sal are way better trainers than I ever was. I said, those guys, if you want programming, nutrition, I said, they're the best of the best at that.

I said, really, I was successful because I taught the business side to my trainers. I was only really a full-time trainer for about a year and a half before I moved into management where I taught trainers. And what I taught trainers was not nutrition and programming per se, I taught them about business. That was really what my strength was.

And it's not that I can't answer a lot of this stuff because I've been doing this long enough that of course that I've picked up a lot of this knowledge. I said, but you know, you get those from those guys, you're gonna get that way better than you get from me. I said, so don't miss out on the opportunity to talk to me about the other stuff because that's really what I found. When I went to 24-A fitness, they didn't teach that.

There was a huge emphasis in the space. And I still think this is prevalent today. I mean, to be a trainer, and it's like the liability thing, right, you gotta know your shit, and you gotta, and so they teach you the exercise science portion, they teach you the nutrition thing, and so everything is so heavily focused on that, which I understand because the gyms don't wanna be held

liable for some trainer not knowing how to train somebody or teach them off and food and then they hurt them or they do something bad. So they put so much emphasis on that that they completely just disregard like, okay, no, how do you go get clients? How am I going to make a living? Yeah, how do you make money? How do you get them to keep showing up? Yeah, how do you resize them? How do you get them to develop a better relationship with these things? How do you run your books? How do you set up the clothes? I maximize my paycheck if I'm running a company. Yeah, just nobody was teaching about that. And you really couldn't find it anywhere.

Even outside courses were so heavily focused on all your national certifications. Were focused on the nutrition and the program. None of us taught business. And none of them taught business. And that really was an opportunity for me to double down on that area and that carried me to my most successful traders were almost never

the most educated. They were almost always, not always, but almost always the ones that I hired as beginners and I got to teach them how to build their business. That was just a fact. By the way, this took me within the first two months I learned this, because when I first became a fitness manager, I was a kid, I was only, how old was that, 18?

And I thought, oh, I'm gonna hire all the most educated people. And they sucked because they didn't understand how to do that. And then I would try and teach them, but because they had gone to all the schooling, it was hard for them to adopt anything new or learn. So then I just hired some beginners,

got them through a basic certification and taught them how to build a business, and they crushed, they did very well. This is why NCI is so good, because, I mean, if you are familiar with got them through a basic certification and taught them how to build a business and they crushed. They did very well. This is why NCI is so good because I mean, if you are familiar with the nutrition space in our space, precision is known as like one of the grandfathers, one of the best reputable nutrition certifications out there. NCI is all of that combined with the application and the business part.

That's what makes no gaps. That's, yeah, there's no gap. And that, and to me, and I know you guys feel the same way, like that was the stuff that was so valuable as a coach and a trainer. You could tell me all the knowledge in the world, like as far as nutrition, program, and training. But if you didn't teach me how to turn that into clients

and making money, it wasn't worth much. You can't help anybody. You can't. Yeah. And you're not going to have a livelihood off of it, which most people obviously get into it to be able to do. So NCI is the best for that. That's why I love that partnership so much. Anybody have a shout out for today?

Let's have Doug give a shout out. Doug, what's your shout out? Who do you got for us, Doug? Yes. Greg Williams photography. He's a guy. He shoots a lot of the Hollywood people, but I like his style, like his black and white.

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I mean, I guess you could say, if you don't have chalk, you gotta keep a tighter grip to keep the bar from slipping out? I don't think so. But I don't, not really. I mean, if anything, it helps you hold your grip and then you still gotta squeeze it hard. I mean, listen, if I was outside,

and I was getting ready to lift something super, super heavy, that I knew was like, I mean, you could just rub your dirt in your hands and get the same type of effects. It's not like straps or gloves. So the whole is different. Yeah, it's not like you're gonna adapt, like specifically. So I would like definitely try to lift, you know,

without it sometimes, just for difference. But I mean, I don't for difference, but I mean, I don't really see that. I mean, like a crutch. I feel more connected with this. Even when I press, when I don't need a tight grip. If I can get a hold of it, I'm using it. I think it is easy, wrong with it at all.

Well, just because too, when you're lifting, you get all sweaty and stuff like that, and then you lose, and it's not like due to your grip strength you lose the grip. It's because your hands are all sweaty and oily and stuff was why you lose grip. So it doesn't limit like your ability to get your hands stronger or it's not making your hands artificially stronger. It's just allowing you to get a hold of the bar and stick to it so you can grip as hard as you can.

So I'm a big fan. I'd say chalk is unfortunately one of the best things you can use. I say unfortunately because so many gems don't allow it. But you can get liquid chalk. And most gems are okay with liquid chalk. And I encouraged all my clients to use chalk because it does make you feel more connected. I like using chalk even on pressing, like I said earlier. Pressing you don't necessarily need a better grip.

But I like to feel like I'm one with the bar. And it doesn't disengage your grip. If anything, you probably are gonna have a better, like I said, a better connection. So it's one of those tools that I think is really important. I even like using chalk on a bar when I squat, just so that it sits on my back and doesn't slip, just to kind of keep the safety.

So the only question of chalk is whether or not you don't want to get it on your hands or your pants or in the gym, but other than that, it's like, this is something I think everybody should use. I think it's just more effective. Like it helps you focus more on the lift that you're doing, you know, instead of like the little tiny nuance variables of like my hands are sweaty and like it's a little bit

of a slip and so you're trying to, you know know account for that on top of like doing your left. So you know if you can kind of limit the focus down to just like what you're trying to do exercise wise I think it's very valuable. It's one of the easiest ways that you could make sure that everybody in the gym knows that you're a serious lead. I mean when else can you do like the triple age thing? Sometimes they don't even work out. Sometimes I just rub chocolate over my shirt, so then they walk through the gym. This guy is serious. Next question is from Ekbetts. Can you explain 422 tempo and why it's important and its benefits?

Should you cycle it with other tempos? So the numbers in a tempo count refer to the negative when you're at the bottom and then on the way up. So 4 to 2 would be four seconds on the way down. So imagine a squat or a bench press, right? Thousand, one thousand, two thousand, three thousand, four, two seconds at the bottom you pause and then two seconds on the way up.

So it's obviously a faster positive. What's important about it? Mostly it helps us sure better technique and form. Mostly, I say mostly because there's lots of other benefits, but faster tempos can also be quite beneficial. It's harder to maintain great form, though, with a fast negative, or you know, you see Olympic lifters do this, but they're so well trained and they use a rebound and the balance at the bottom, which I would never recommend the average person use. So that's mainly it.

It's like if I'm gonna have a client or somebody work out and I want to ensure good form, among all the other tips I'm gonna tell them is to do this type of tempo because it's easier to watch your technique stay stable by counting four seconds on the way down and by pausing at the bottom and you're more likely to use an appropriate way,

it's hard to use a weight that's inappropriate and do this tempo. Well, you're just, I mean, you're training for stability and control. And I mean, and two, you're getting the benefits of that negative. So your muscles are breaking down, by going a bit slower,

but the thing is you're paying attention to all those little nuances of where different forces kind of pull you out of good form. And so I think that's the biggest value that I see, and that's why I always apply it when teaching like somebody kind of newer or like intermediate, I've done it in a while, it's just like, let's just focus on really feeling your way through this and noticing kind of where some of those imbalances or loss of force production kind of happened.

I imagine this person is bringing it up because they probably hear me reference this so much on the show because I remember when I first was learning about the difference in tempos and how to manipulate them and where you would use a 111 and a 422 as far as in your training methods and realize quickly. And 4-2-2 is your standard kind of hypertrophy tempo.

And it doesn't mean you don't build hypertrophy in other tempo, so don't go too far with that. It's just like the standard tempo for someone who's trying to build strength, build muscle. And I remember right away going in the gym and applying it to clients and then quickly realizing everybody around me, like nobody was used to get, I knew everybody in here wanted to build muscle. That's what most of these people are doing.

Yet nobody was utilizing this tempo and then I realized too how difficult it was, man, when I really slowed down the negative pause at the bottom for two seconds and then went up, like boy, it was made a weight really, really challenging. And so I understood, oh, this is why nobody does this because everybody cares so much more about ego lifting and adding more weight to the bar

than actually getting the most effective workout. And I was obviously a trainer and in pursuit of the most effective workout. So I began training this way consistently and saw huge benefits, not just in Billy Muscle, but also my form and technique. Because I feel like if, and this is where I like to train all my clients until they get really good form and technique

and then I'll manipulate the tempos. And when you train a four second negative with a two second isometric portion, that right there, that covers probably the two most difficult portions to control the weight for people. They figure that piece out. Then you can go play with all the other tempos and manipulate that into their program, but I just think there's tremendous value from training this way and not a lot of people do.

It's one of the easiest ways if you are stuck in a plateau. Just do this. And yeah, and you're like, man, I feel like I rotate my exercise. I feel like I do a something like go actually do a true four to two tempo in your routine for the next month and see what happens. Next question is from guitar MBA. Any advice on how to enjoy eating more food on vacation without guilt? While not going over the rails and binge. Yeah, so binging is when you eat beyond satisfaction or enjoyment.

When you feel uncomfortable, when you feel like you've lost control. First, when you look at the root, and then we could talk about tips on vacation. But the root really has to go with being too strict before you go on vacation, not having the right relationship with food and balance. And then what happens is when you go on vacation, like, well, I can go off a little bit, but because it was so restricted to begin with, going off a little bit, then it's like the floodgates are open. And it turns into this relationship where it's either all or nothing.

This is the result of not having balance. Balance looks like this. I eat the way I do because I care for myself and that means usually I'm eating healthy and sometimes I'm one enjoying foods for the sake of enjoying them because I'm with my friends or with my family. And it's not because I can't eat those things

and it's not because I hate myself or because I'm fat but rather I deserve to be cared for. So you have to develop that relationship with food, otherwise this is what's gonna happen on vacations. Now tips on vacation, eat your protein first, your protein targets, and that typically will help with the appetite part, but this is gonna solve everything.

Yeah, so that's what I would say is my tip would be, when you still eat, still target the protein first, the other tip would be this, like when I think of vacation eating, I'm eating out. I'm having fried food. I'm probably enjoying dessert. I'm probably having alcoholic beverages. That necessarily isn't, that's not binging to me. Binging to me is eating beyond you being full and stuffy. Sh sure. You're pulling it in quick. Yeah. You crammed all your appetizer down,

and then you get to your main course, and you feel like, oh man, I spent $40 on that steak, so I don't want to waste it, so you full-saw that down, and then you're like, oh, I'm stuck, but I'll have dessert too. That's like, that's binging, or really overeating to me,

or going to the gas station and picking up a bag of lays and crushing the whole bag of lays, things like that. Like that's binging to me. So I would avoid buying like bags of junk food and things like that to have from that. But when I'm on vacation and I've decided that, hey, I've earned this, I'm going to eat what I want. I'm going to enjoy dessert. I'm going to have an alcoholic beverage. I'm going to do that. And that's actually not as bad as you think it is. That's not going off the rails. Yeah, that's not going off the rails is like, you're so strict and so restricted

that when you get on vacation, it becomes about the food. You know, this happens with people in the face. No, absolutely, that's what happens. The vacation is about the food. You train, you work so hard, you die at so hard for, I see it happen on time with clients, and they put on 15, 20 pounds in the week

that they're gone, because they work so hard to get down to this way by restricting restricting and then they get to the vacation and they're like too excited about it. Yeah, then there and that's what I mean. Like you just have to be aware. Are you? Did you just go have a huge dinner and alcohol and dessert and then you then you walked in the the little local, you know, store at the place and and grab a bunch of candy and now you're shoveling candy while you're walking. And the most dangerous part is yeah, go to the convenience store,

add in all the snacks and the process stuff in there if you cannot do that, you'll be a lot better off. You know, with meals and the thing about being on vacation, you're like, if you spend that time just slowing everything down, like slow down. Like when you're eating, go real slow. Yeah.

And I guarantee you're eating, go real slow. And I guarantee like you're not going to be motivated to cram in a huge ass dessert after you're done. That's the thing. Two binging is eating without awareness. So if you're eating something for the sake of enjoying the flavor or the experience, actually pay attention to the experience. Because what you'll notice when you're binging is you're not even enjoying the food that's in your mouth, you're just thinking about the next bite. So, Justin said, slow down, that's great advice. It's like, eat it and then savor it. Think about it.

What am I enjoying? Wow, this tastes so good. This is incredible. Rather than, oh my God, I'm off my diet. I get to go act in this particular way. And then it becomes this very unaware, impulsive way of eating. Like you're free from being the slave to however you've been doing it before. It's just like, no, let's just use this as a time to enjoy yourself a little bit.

One of the things that you can do, here's a tip, like, to this point, because I think this is a really good point, is, so when we're on vacation, Katrina and I just did this, we were on vacation, but we took off and stated a hotel this last weekend. And when we were eating at the restaurant, instead of like rushing to get all this food, it's like, we'll tell the waitress, like, oh, we'll just have this one thing, right?

The her and I will share, and we'll kind of pick at it, and talk, and drink, and then we'll ask to have the main course, and then again, eat it slow. And then, you know, see, we make this meal meal turn into like a three hour event versus this 30 minutes of eating everything I possibly can on this place, then leaving and then going and getting something else to eat. Yeah, so I think you just, but at the same time too, allowing yourself the freedom to enjoy that.

I mean, I had crap. I had to, by the way, I had the best crab, artichoke dip of my life this weekend. Oh my gosh. Fresh. So you're at half moon bay. So you got fresh crab from over there mixed in with artichoke dip. And you know, it's funny when you eat,

when you eat with, when you eat, and you save our food with awareness, you eat slower. Yeah, faster. Ben jeeting is fast. Enjoying the food that you're eating is actually slow. So that's another thing to pay attention to. Next question is from Teresa Eglaceus.

Who were your mentors and the people who inspired or believed in you? You know, this is something that I think needs to be communicated to everybody, but especially to people in the fitness space, and that is to seek out mentors. And I think a lot of people think mentorship is like this, you know, you talk about it with the person, like, hey, will you mentor me?

Sometimes that's the case, but usually it's not. Usually it's just, you see somebody, you admire them, and you watch, and you learn from them. And I've had a lot of mentors like this. I've also had mentors that were consciously mentoring me. One of the first ones was one of my first general managers, Don Cardona, good friend of mine. I was only 18 at the time.

He was in his early 20s, and I learned a lot from him in the beginning. And then I've had other mentors along the way, but then there's people now that mentor me that don't even know it. Arthur Brooks is somebody that I look up to and watch and pay attention to how he conducts themselves and how he communicates.

I think that's a lot of what mentorship is, not necessarily the traditional, you know, this is my teacher, this is the person I'm following, or this is my sensei, you know, type of thing. I'm glad you said that, Saul, because I do know that there's this, and there's a movement like, you know, coaches need coaches, and everybody needs a mentor, and it's a great way to sell you on while you guys need all, you have to spend money and all that stuff. You know, there's a real easy way to have great mentors and this is basically because I don't have like a form person.

I'd say the closest person in my life to that was my good friend Mark Baker, who was a little bit older than I was. And he wasn't like he was this formal mentor. I mean, it was like, he was really good at a lot of things I wanted to be really good at. And I tried to emulate that by watching the way he lived his life, right? Like he was a big part of, I talk about in my,

my 25 when I really started reading up into that point of my life was not a big reader. Like, and a lot of that was him. He was a good friend of mine and it didn't matter where we were at on vacation or doing something with that. He always had a book on him. He was always growing, he was always learning, having a friend of that was him. He was a good friend of mine and it didn't matter where we were at on vacation or doing something with that. He always had a book on him. He was always growing, he was always learning, having a friend like that.

And someone who I admired the way they did business, the things that they were good at. I was like, okay, I need to do more of that in my life. So, I've found people like this, why I'm big on surrounding yourself with four or five people that are above your level. And your level doesn't,, sometimes that translates as like, oh, make more money than you now.

It could be a better father than you. It could be a better business operator than you. It could be a better husband than you. Like, look for all those, I mean, it'd be great if you could find a one guy or girl that has a lot of those attributes, right? So you don't have to have so many places. But I love having people that I admire in different categories of my life.

I want to be great at it. If I have somebody in my life that is an incredible father, they don't have to like formally sit me down and tell me, I mean, you guys represent that to me in my life, right? You guys were all fathers before I do. I have a lot of respect. And the way you admire the way you guys have parented. And so you don't, it's not like you guys sit down and formally tell me like, hey Adam, you should do this with your kid. It's that I see a lot of things you do. I see the conversations that you have with your kids. I see the mistakes

that you've made that you've admitted about. And so that's a form of mentorship without this like formal. But it does start with you making sure you're putting yourself in the room of these people, right? Of getting and surrounding yourself, because the opposite is also true. If you don't and you surround yourself with a bunch of shit butts, people that aren't good fathers, people that aren't good at business,

people that aren't motivated to learn and grow and push themselves, they will weigh and drag you down. No matter how motivated you think you are, so it's so important you carve those type of people out of your life and surround you around people that you admire and you wanna be like, and I've never had a formal mentor like you're saying. And it's always changed for me.

Yeah, it's always tight, like it, you know, obviously it's like my father for, you know, the beginning of it, just the integrity and the way that he carried himself, you know, was a good model for me, but it became coaches, after that, where, you know, they were just like, you know, reiterating a lot of those characteristics

and then coming back again, I would find people just like, you know, Adam's describing like somebody that was really good at marketing because if I'm like gonna try to do this on my own, I have to go find people that are doing it really well. So I'm looking at what they're doing. I'm looking at somebody, I don't even like this person,

but I know that they're really good at this thing, and so I befriend them. And so it's just because there's something that's a trait there that I want to learn. And I want to be close to it and do it that way. And I know some people can pay for it and they can get in groups and networks and all that kind of stuff. I just went the opposite direction of that.

I just went to go find people in my, and create my own network, my own circle of people that I admired and found what they did valuable that I could add into my repertoire. You know, I know there's somebody who's listening, a young kid that's listening right now going, like, well, how do you do that? How do you find these people like this? Here's what's wrong and wrong with the way a lot of young people think right now with something like this. If it gets me really irritated when I see like somebody who feels like, oh, I need to be paid for this. Like, I would take, I would take a position with somebody I'm for sure I admire, right?

Somebody who is doing something that I want to be good at and they're doing it far better than I am. And sure to be great if I could get a job working for them and they could pay me for this service, but if that opportunity isn't there, I'm gonna find a way to work for that person for free, because the education and mentorship I'm gonna get is worth that.

And so I was just having this conversation with a family friend who's trying to get into being a realtor, tough time to be a realtor right now. Real tough to get your real estate license and do this stuff. And he was like, of course, using the excuse of how bad it is right now. And all this, and I'm just like, well, what are you doing to get better to crap? Well, you know, there's not much to this that and all

the, and I'm like, who do you know anybody in your area? Who's killing it? Like, there's not everybody's failing at real estate right now. There's definitely a lot of people there. So go go find someone in your circle or near you. You don't even have to be a friend of you yet. and who's the best at that? And go find a way to go work for them for free. Go set up their open houses. You know what, could you imagine being like a top realtor

and some random kid comes up and says, hey, I like to be, I like to help you out for free, no strings attached. Could I go put up all your signs for you for your open houses on the weekends and I'll run any errands that you possibly need? I heard you're the best at what you do, and I just would value the time to be around you,

would you mind if I actually work for you for free? Huh, you imagine? If someone does that, that person is gonna be like, oh my God, I just got lucky today. I said, got someone's gonna do work for me for free, and now you have this opportunity to be around this person that you admire worth more than pay. That's the problem is people, they only think money is what's valuable.

And yet they'll go pay $100,000 for a crappy education at some college with some degree of the second year. It's crazy to me. It's crazy to me. And they even make laws now, which is terrible where you cannot have an intern unless you pay them or whatever. I think it's so dumb because the,

there's gotta be an even trade. And if you only value money, well that's all you let me get. There's a lot of opportunity. You wanna learn something? That's valuable. And what do you got to trade for it? My work, let me give you my work for your knowledge.

That to me is worth it. I would do that, like if I had to start over, I would do that all day long. I have seen. I'm over getting worth it. I would do that, like if I had to start over, I would do that all day long. Yeah, I'm over getting paid. And I hear excuses like, well, I have rent to pay, sure, okay, then do it after work. Do it on your weekends.

Exactly. So you fucking around on video games on Saturday and Sunday, go find this person and work for free for them on those, put those four hours, and you only have to do the hustle hat on. That's right, and go do that stuff and realize that the value you're getting for that time is the education. How much would it cost to do like some advanced course in real estate business, right?

Go find some course online and it's going to teach me how to build my business in real estate. How much is that going to cost? $2,000, $3,000, $4,000, whatever. What if you found a top real estate agent and you worked for them for free? Now you don't spend any money and you get better information. Way better than any course is ever going to teach you because you're going to see how it's actually applied

in the real world. We've done a huge disservice to young people by making them believe somehow that the only value that they're equipped is money. That's it, you gotta get paid or the way it's not worth it. False. When I was a trainer and I was 19 years old, I get to this gym, I have no education, no experience.

What was cool about the gym was they used to keep this board and everybody was ranked. I mean, they ranked you. If you were the top guy in hours, top guy in revenue, or girl, you were ranked. And it was like, I could see the top three. And what did I do? I hung around those people on my off time and did whatever I could do to help them out.

I'm just watching them sitting next to me. Yes. So I can pick their brains. So I can listen to them. Listen to them communicate to their clients. Watch the way they worked and just absorb. That was front row seats to the Harvard education of becoming the best trainer in the gym in my opinion and that's the way I approach that I didn't need to have this immediate return in revenue right away. It's like I'm building education around something I want to be great at.

This seems to be the best person that I know that's at this job. I'm gonna hang around. It's crazy to me that it gets sold as like they're taking advantage because you know some people are listening right now. Oh yeah, you guys own a business that you guys just want to do that it gets sold as like, they're taking advantage, because you know some people are listening right now, oh yeah, you guys own a business, you guys just wanna do that so you could have free employees. That's what you guys want. It's the stupidest message of all time. First of all, you choose to be there.

So nobody's forcing you. So if you choose to be there, it's your choice. And number two, the knowledge that you'll get is worth more than the potential money that you'll make. You know, what do you make? Minimum wage. What if you get to walk around and listen to somebody who actually has done it? that you'll get is worth more than the potential money that you'll make. You know, what do you make minimum wage? What if you get to walk around and listen to somebody who actually has done it? You ain't going to learn that anywhere else.

And it's such, here's a deal. This is what's great about what we're saying. It's an advantage. These days it's an advantage because so many people are so not willing to do it, that you showing yourself, by the way, I know me. If I had some kid that showed me that, and I saw the eagerness, I wouldn't just let them hang around with me, I would feel obligated to teach them some stuff.

Look at Enzo. Yeah, look at the relationship, Enzo built with us. Yeah. Enzo got in the exact same way, and by the way, we tried to deny it in my fellow times, still found a way to weasel's way in to do stuff for us for free as an intern, and look at the relationship, he's been long gone from Mind Pump for, I don't know how many years,

kids wildly successful already, only early 21 years old, if that, and the kids incredibly successful are already and still has a relationship with all of us. I still talk to him, still mentor him, still with that, I mean, so yeah, no, that shit pays off. Look, check this out.

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