Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2097: Peptides That Improve Your Memory & Mental Sharpness With Jay Campbell

Episode Date: June 15, 2023

In this episode Sal, Adam & Justin speak again with peptide expert Jay Campbell about the brain boosting benefits of peptides. How peptides can target cognitive performance and brain function. (2:03) Why he believes most racetams are garbage. (5:58) Dihexa is the brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) enhancer. (10:26) More peptide nootropics that boost cognitive function and work as an anxiolytic. (17:30) Why he is raving about tesofensine. (18:58) Can intense brain stimulation make you leaner? (20:44) Why there has never been a time when people can lose body fat so efficiently and preserve muscle mass. (26:20) His favorite peptide nootropic stack. (37:12) How lack of sleep CRUSHES BDNF. (38:45) What does an increase in BDNF feel like? (44:36) The next frontier in the peptide space. (47:02) Related Links/Products Mentioned TRANSCEND your goals! Telehealth Provider • Physician Directed GET YOUR PERSONALIZED TREATMENT PLAN!  Hormone Replacement Therapy, Cognitive Function, Sleep & Fatigue, Athletic Performance and MORE. Their online process and medical experts make it simple to find out what’s right for you. Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! June Promotion: MAPS Cardio or Summer Shredded Bundle or the Bikini Bundle 50% off! **Code JUNE50 at checkout** Mind Pump #2032: Can You Reverse Aging & Live Longer? All About Longevity Peptides Jay Campbell Dihexa Peptide: Benefits, Dosage and Side Effects - Jay Campbell What is Semax?: Everything You Should Know - Jay Campbell Nootropics Articles | Jay Campbell Inability To Experience Pleasure, Fat Loss Hack & The Old School Nootropic Piracetam Selank Peptide: Benefits, Dosage & Side Effects - Jay Campbell A Short (Yet Awesome) Guide To Modafinil And Its Analogues For Supercharged Productivity Tesofensine Peptide: Benefits, Dosage & Side Effects - Jay Campbell Optimize your Health with Therapeutic Peptides: Extend your Life by Becoming More Muscular, Leaner, Smarter, Injury-Free, and Younger – Book by Jay Campbell Forget the treadmill: An intense game of chess can burn hundreds of calories, research suggests Visit The Cold Plunge for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for $150 off your order** Lean mass loss on GLP-1 receptor agonists Eight Sleep | Intelligent Sleep Tech Visit SleepMe for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! What is DSIP? How does it work? - PeptideSciences.com Fluoride Exposure in Early Life as the Possible Root Cause of Disease In Later Life Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources Featured Guest/People Mentioned Jay Campbell (@jaycampbell333) Instagram Website Jason Fung (@drjasonfung) Instagram Peter Attia (@peterattiamd) Instagram  

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All right, here comes the show. All right, Jay, we had so much fun with you on the last podcast. We had to do another one We talked about peptides and longevity and that was kind of supposed to be the focus We went off and some rabbit holes, but it was a lot of fun. I want to talk to you about peptides for cognitive performance Brain function. There's a few of these that I started using myself. I noticed some pretty profound effects. So let's get into that whole space and kind of what how peptides can target cognitive performance or what that whole category of neutropics would even

mean. Yeah, for sure. And again, thank you guys for the first episode. It was amazing. Grateful to be back here again today to talk. So it's interesting. I think peptides, you know, if you really start looking at them from like a clinical perspective, you know, people are pretty well aware now of the healing capacity of peptides, the fat loss and the muscle gain capacity. You know, I know on our first podcast, we also talked about the life extension and of course, now in the age of the bio-weapon, you know, immunity enhancement too, but for neutropics, there's a lot of peptides.

And I know you guys are old school and that you go back to the race of tams and all the stuff that was out there originally before peptides, talking about cognitive enhancement. And so there was a lot of stuff out there as I told you guys on the last podcast, I for my qualitative and comparative line in the sand, it's metaphanol. What does something produce relative to like what does metapheno at 50 to 100 milligrams produce. And so in my personal experience, I really haven't had the profound effects that a lot of my friends, some of you guys,

of course, you know, also mentioned on the first podcast. I know you saw, you talked about dihexa that others get. So I think we're all biochemically unique, but to talk about neutropics, you know, from a peptide standpoint, we probably should start with that hexa. The interesting thing is, and we didn't really talk about this on the first show, we probably should mention it,

is most peptides from a highest impact delivery systems are injected, right? They're subcutaneously injected, you know, people here needles, oh my God, up, doubt. Right, but like, the truth is, is like you're using, you know, they're mostly aquias based, people here are needles, oh my god, up to out. Right, but like, the truth is, is like you're using, you know, they're mostly aquias based, they're water based, so you're using like an insulin syringe,

you know, which a lot of people, unfortunately are familiar with diabetics, and they're using insulin syringes to inject their insulin, but these are small, you know, microscopic, you know, hyperdermic 31, 32, 30 gauge needles. They're like, you know, five, 32, 30 gauge needles. They're like five, 16th of an inch. They're doing a field.

Yeah, you don't feel, right? So it's like I always tell people that like, bro, I can't inject, I can't do it. I'm like, bro, you inject one time. It becomes like brushing your teeth. So it's not a big deal. But to say that, to qualitatively say that, the dystopic peptides are the one space

in the peptide industry where there are a lot of orals. And there's also internasal, right? So some of them can be technically snorted or again, through an internasal inhaler or mister. Like CMax? Yeah, exactly. So I think, you know, it's important that we bring that up, right?

Because a lot of people I'm telling you as much as we laugh and say, come on, dude, it's just a parick. It's a barrier of entry, yeah. Absolutely. It is. So, it's cool to know that you can use these and not ever really have to inject yourself. Although I will say,

the most pronounced effects from Neutropics are still felt injected. Okay. You know, like C-Max, C-Lank, even Duh Hexaah from the, you know, if you go on the Reddit forums, which we know are not the best places to get information, but if you go there and you go deep and you drill down,

you'll see some of the really advanced users we'll talk about the difference between intranasal, oral, or injected, and everybody talks that the injected version. So those all actually are injectable too. So I could have got CMax that way. Absolutely. Okay. Another.

Yeah. I mean, I remember too, you know, from a biochemical or, you know, an molecular dynamic standpoint, you know, obviously impact injection is always gonna be the highest impact because it's direct crosses the brain, brain, brain, brain. It's just right there.

Yeah. You know, you mentioned the individuality with a lot of these things. You mentioned race attempts. Now those are not peptides. No. But I do want to bring them up because pericetam, I believe, was probably the first classic neutropics. It's been around for a long time.

For sure. And I remember when I first discovered pericetam, and I don't like it much. I do notice some effects, but I get this crash, and I don't like it. Totally. But I did notice some effects, and I remember introducing it to the guys here.

And Justin got a little bit of effect. Doug and Adam both had headaches. Yeah, right. They hated it. So it there's definitely is. And I noticed that with other classic neutropics and other that some people get great results with some of them. Other people get terrible results with some of them. So it's one of those things where some or probably going to work for you and others may not dog. Doug and Adam are just like me again. I got that. Dude, race stamps are garbage. I remember literally, okay,

another true story, going back and dating myself. So I used to meet Dan Dushan. Oh, God, it's the guru. Across the border in Mexico, he mentored me for literally three years. You're kidding me. No. Wow, this is the guy that's cool.

This is the guy that really, if you look at the bodybuilding protocols on fat loss muscle building, body opus. Everything. I mean, he's the guy that he's the first, by the way, he created, he was one of the the contributors of the first actual real pre-workout. I've talked about before. Absolutely. Ultimate Orange. Yeah, Ultimate Orange. Yeah. I still actually have a bottle of Ultimate Orange. I kept it. No way. I swear to God, yeah, I mean, it's not edible, but it's not how the whole thing. But yeah, and, you know, it's funny that you said that

because you also had that little pamphlet. So he was around in the times of the pamphlets. You know, they had the little tiny things that you could buy in the back of the muscle magazine. He had ultimate training. And I still have, of course, I have this book, the greatest book probably ever in bodybuilding, which was called Body Opus.

Underground Body Opus, which taught you how to backload carbs and frontload carbs. He talked about stuff now that everybody's like, all those things, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was a genius. And true story, Dan had a huge heart. So I gotta tell you guys a story. So how I actually got to mentor under him

is he, on one of the underground forums, he put a picture of a bodybuilder who was shredded, you know, from that he eventually is the, it's the guy that was on the cover of bodybuilds. And he asked if anybody could name this guy, you know, I would give you a prize or a award or whatever, I instantly like wrote about, you know, I was just in the group that was like reading his writings and it was Hans Hobstock. And how I knew who that guy was is that he was the owner of Foothill Jim in Monrovia, California, where I was training. Oh, that's crazy.

That's crazy. Anyway, after that, him and I became friends, again, internet friends, and then I finally met him. And this is the truth at the, the, the, um, man, um, not the, what's it called, um, hard rock restaurant in Tijuana. Oh, because Dan was living in Mexico. So I would literally cross the border in San Diego and we would sit there. I would, you know, take a cab to Revolution and I would sit there and I would talk to him and him and I would just go deep for three or four hours and he educated me.

I was only 27 years old. A lot of people need to realize that these underground bodybuilding coaches or whatever they were the smartest people. They were the pioneers. I remember he wrote us out or talked about something called DNP. Yes, of course. DNP. Fat burning compound. Very dangerous. I think it's a chemical use and making dynamite. But he, I mean, just brilliant person, and unhand which I completely undone. Which you kind of want when you're the first person to talk about these kinds of things.

So I wanna give you know, just kind of credit where it's due. Yeah, no, absolutely. And Dan was amazing and he taught me so much about everything that I'd learned and knew. But it's just hilarious. But to get back to Neutropics, that's where he was the one that taught me about Prestam. And he literally took me into a pharmacy right there.

He'd just buy it right over the counter. No, why? I found a picture, a Polaroid picture of me and him, my mom sent it to me because they've still stuff in their basement. And I was holding a box in the picture of the Perez-Tam in the orange. I can't remember.

It was the original European, you know, pharmaceutical manufacturers that had it, but this is so funny. But yeah, so none of those things, that was a good rabbit hole. None of those things did anything for me either run headache, horrible, literally horrible, but like you said, they're very crude, very rudimentary form of a neutropic. And now here we are today, you know, fast forward 20 plus years, and you have these amazing form of a Neutropic and now here we are today, you know, fast forward 20 plus years. And you have these amazing Neutropic peptides, but getting back to intranasal oral or injectable, injectable is always again going to be the highest impact. But to talk a little bit about dihexa, as I told you guys, I've taken a heroic dose of dihexa

many times, which is 80 milligrams. Like 40 is like the highest recommended dose of an oral capsule. You were taking 30. I think I'm doing 30 in there. Yeah, and you feel it, right? And I don't feel anything. You said you don't feel anything. Did you feel it?

Oh, you did. Okay, so you guys felt it, but what were the effects? So it took, it was almost cumulative, but at the end of the week, I'm just sharper memory recall. Memory recall was bigger. Yeah, just, I just feel like I need less sleep.

And I don't, it's not because I'm sleeping less But while I am sleeping less, I have it I have an infinite yeah, but all of a sudden I was I felt like I was sharp like if I got a good night of rest Yeah, so not that a replaced sleep. I could still tell I was tired But I remember I come in here and I tell the guys to be like I feel remark I would this my exact words were I feel remarkably sharp for how little sleep I'm getting right now because we have a baby at home Yeah, so that's what I noticed from that but I'm getting right now because we have a baby at home. So that's what I noticed from that,

but I'm also combining that with the CMAC. So we're talking about, were you taking it every day? Yeah. Right, what new woke up? Right, the first thing in the morning. Yeah, first of all, we're combining it with coffee or caffeine or anything.

Yes, I do. I do. I typically do caffeine because then I'll work out. Yeah, I would be interested to notice, did you guys, did you ever take it without caffeine, Justin? No. I do on the weekends. I go off caffeine on weekends.

Yeah. So it would be interesting, and I don't know if anyone's ever done any correlations to this, but it would be interesting to see like the difference of feeling it versus not being on caffeine versus being on caffeine. And I've heard stories from some people again, just anecdotally, that there's a synergistic effect. Yeah. I would assume so, right?

Because I've heard people call dihex, say that dihexo was like BDNF, right? Or several times or a thousand times more powerful, have a similar effect, right? What does that do? That improves neuroplasticity and learning. Yeah, so yeah, so I mean, and we'll talk about test offencing and how it expands BDNF. That BDNF is brain-derived, nautropic factor. And to go back to like a historical standpoint, like when the ancients would talk about going factor. And to go back to like a historical standpoint, like when the ancients would talk about going into the wilderness to meditate or to pray, you know, 20 days, 30 days, 40 days or whatever, they were literally going to fast, which massively enhanced BDNF.

And the BDNF connection is the quote-unquote connection to source or connection to spirit, you know, connection to divinity, whatever you want to call it, because that's what you feel like, right? You're a faster, a ketogenic dieter. I mean, you get through that crossover where the brain starts running on ketones for fuel. You all of a sudden feel, whoa, and as a hardcore faster like myself, I fasted, the longest I've ever fasted

without actual food is 76 hours, right? Because like, you know, I've written a couple books on fasting and I was familiar with like with Jason Fung's research on fasting. And it shows the best research on the world, and I know pure views nonsense, but if I wanna say, the science, trust the science, the best research, there are studies done in like Olympic caliber sprinters.

And without food, what was it before they started to break down muscle tissue? And it was 73 hours. Yeah, it was about three days. It was 73 hours, right? So it's like, when you hear a bro say, oh man, I ate six times a day, bro, I can't go that long, I'm gonna break down muscle,

they don't really understand the science or the old one. I just get caught up pleated in flat. Exactly, exactly. But you don't lose muscle, right? So it's like, if you really learn how to fast and you go, you know, like I was telling you guys that program I got coming called 30 days to shreds, if you really understand the metabolic or the mechanics, the biomechanics of fasting, combined with all these drugs,

like peptides that we're talking about and all these new metabolic and couplers that are coming, you can truly get insanely ripped without losing muscle, and a very short amount of time. But to not rabbit hole and to go back to understanding like what these are doing, I mean, you really truthfully do increase BDNF at about 30 hours. And at that 30 hours without food,

there's like something that goes on in the brain where you literally feel loopy. And you feel loopy for a couple hours. And you know, again, some of the scientists that research this and study this, they talk about like the autophagic and the hormatic process, the chemical biochemical cascade that happens

when that really gets really strong is that loopy feeling you're feeling. But like for me, when I fast for like 40 to 44 hours, don't do every, usually like once a month, I'll do a weekend, right? I feel that. Like I stand up all the sudden and I'm kind of loosing and lightheaded and kind of like, oh my god, what's going on. And I don't lose, it's not a blood sugar issue, you know, once thought that that's what it was, but it's the changeover or it's the crossover. So now like your body is like not running on food anymore, it's like running on spirit or you know, call it energy, call it, you know, catacolamines, whatever it is,

like it's some sort of a cascade, but like the the the neutropic peptides do do that. Yeah, that's a fencing. Yeah, fasting is a natural way to really make the effect of it. Right, so combine fasting with that interesting and it's like whoa accelerate now the hexa was is research is being researched for what dementia Alzheimer's just just degenerative disorders of the brain so all of the in the studies and again we're going to Russia again so the Russians especially Dr. Cavitz and they got a lot of research on Dr. Calvin said they got a lot of research on Surribilized and dihexasalank, c-max, c-max, amodate.

So by the way, when you add like amodate or You know a couple of the dates and whatever to them. You're extending the efficacy and you're extending the solubility. Oh, okay. So it will last longer from a half-life standpoint in the brain and the body. So that's like why a lot of the research chemical companies are doing that. You'll see that a lot with them now. And then of course they're also getting around the patents and stuff like that. There really isn't a lot of patents in peptides. Thank God that's why all of us are able to use them still. But you know, as we were saying on the first episode, you can see that coming.

But what do you find with the people you work with with the HECSET? The people that are, I don't know, non-responders. They just don't notice it. And the people you work with with with that hexet the people that that are I don't know non responders They just don't notice it and the people that do what do they notice is it same as you guys famous you guys just you know more productive More creative like juice, you know, just feel like you can get into a flow state a little bit back Yeah, yeah, now I've read the like dosing protocols that vary wildly. Yeah. Like some would say, you know, 25 or 30 milligrams once a week, you know, there's like no every day and then I've heard people like you say,

I've tried, you know, my tire doses. Well, so I mean, like, it's a good, it's a good comment. I mean, I've seen people like women say they get as great effect at five milligrams, you know, of dihex or oral and I'm like, what? Well, so again, it's across the board, biochemical individuality, I would assume, and some people just having different genes

and receptor sensitivities and whatnot. It's weird. So, if we compare and contrast dihexia and selenck, I see more people, in my experience, personal experience, and obviously clients, people I communicate with online, and then of course clinicians. I see more people get better my experience, personal experience, and obviously clients, people I communicate with online, and then of course clinicians.

I see more people get better results with Selank than I get with when I see with Diex. Now, Selank is used in, correct me if I'm wrong, they use that also as an Enzialitic. Yes. Okay, so anti-anxiety. Yes. Yeah.

So I noticed a little bit of that from the C-Max and Diex as well. Do these new tropics in general? So here's what's interesting to me. Typically what people would consider, although you can't put caffeine in the category of neutropics, but if you tell someone, things that make you feel sharp or whatever, think, oh, caffeine, typically stimulants do the opposite of an enzolidic will do. They'll make you feel more anxious or jittery or shaky.

What I, when I keep reading about these peptide neutropics, many of them boost cognitive function, but also work as an anzeolithic, which is very interesting. So it's kind of like a calm focus. It's a different feeling than like a stimulant type of effect. Well, it's because they're not hitting the beta-androgen, and endro-nergic heart system, right? So there's not heart rate elevation or any kind of what do you call it?

It's all on the head. Yeah, there's no vascular, you know, so essentially, you know, with the caffeine or any kind of like speedy, you know, again, amp alert, focus age or whatever, it's hitting the beta-anageric pathway. Okay. So it's it's it's it's constructing or opening blood flow. Okay. Now, Modaphanil is a bit of a stimulant, right? It is, but that's also one of those weird, you know, again, called a focusing agent where they don't really understand the mechanism of action. You know, again, it's kind of an alien drug. They started giving it to pilots, I think, in the early 70s. You had to fly sorides in Vietnam. Yeah.

Now, the one you were raving about on the last podcast towards the end was Tessofencin. Tessofencin. Okay, so what, so what, how is that one different from what we just talked about? So again, Tessa Fencing was originally an orphaned drug that was started off as an anti-depressant. However, it's not an SSRI, right? So people here, anti-depressant, they're like, oh bro, you're talking about SSRI.

It was not an SSRI, but it was orphaned because for whatever reason, and again, it's in my book, and I'm not thinking probably as clearly as I should on why it was orphaned, but for whatever reason it was a orphan, you know, big pharma orphan drugs when it's not exactly what they created it. And then it's let go, and then, you know, as you guys know, it's-

Just remains to go for somewhere. Yeah, and then somebody discovers it for something else and they're like, wow. And so test exactly, but test of fencing, they were looking at the weight loss that people were experiencing. Okay. And then they're like, wait a minute. So whenever there's an opportunity, test of fencing, they were looking at the weight loss that people were experiencing. And then they're like, wait a minute. So whenever there's an opportunity, so many fat people like to explore it. And so then they started looking at the trials. And as I was telling you guys,

not only does it increase BDNF and do you feel really fired up and amazingly energized? And again, I'm on it right now. And by the way, I only took 250 milligrams of it this morning. And I've been taking 500 and I get what I thought was like even a better effect, but today it was just 250. I feel it's crazy, I feel the same. And I've heard people tell me they're like, oh, you know what, if you're really sensitive to it, you're not gonna notice a difference.

But from the people that are sensitive to it were 500 to keep some up in their stay or at the ceiling with a smile on their face, because no one will complain about it other than that they can't sleep on it. Right, but I mean, even the people that would complain and say, dude will complain about it other than that they can't sleep on it. Right, but there, I mean, even the people that would complain and say, dude, I can't take this, I can't sleep on it.

They were like, I love this though. Oh my God, I cannot stop. You know what I mean? I can keep creating, I keep creating. And again, it's because of the BDNF, but when they were looking at the research and the people that were on it for a long time, before they orphaned the drug, they noticed the weight loss.

Jay, I only comment on that real quick. Sure. So, I was having a conversation with our friends. We work with a hormone therapy lab that does peptides as well. And I noticed on dihex, I'm very sensitive to compounds or I noticed things when I take them typically. These guys may say I'm a hop contract. I think I'm just sensitive.

No, you're sensitive. You're intuitive. Right. So, when I take take things I can tell certain things and I said, I messaged him, I said, does these neutropics make you leaner? And he goes, I mean, some people will say that. So I said, this is very interesting. So I was starting to do some reading

and I came across articles on chess players. And in intense games of chess, chess players will burn calories like they're doing a shit ton of cardio. I mean, they're literally sitting there playing chess, but their brain is working so hard, and the brain can burn a tremendous amount of energy. So my speculation, and I'd love your input on this was

that some of these neutropics through the BDNA, through increasing activity of the brain, actually boost metabolism through the brain, not through what we typically think of, which would be muscle or the rest through the brain, not through what we typically think of, which would be muscle or the rest of the body, but rather through brain activity. How do you, how does that sound to you? So it's 100% true, and I'll go a little bit woo on why that is the truth. So at base essence, all we are is energy and frequency, right?

As I was telling you guys, we are literally light. We are biophotonic charges. I mean, that's just true at the base level. Exactly, so, but if we are at base essence, energy and frequency, and all we are is really consciousness, which is mind, right? I mean, if you really wanna go deeper, you would be like, we're the only thing we really are

is like the idea of the divine mind separated by will and intention. But when your brain is stimulated like that, and you are thinking very deeply and creatively and creating through expression, then yes, energetically, you are also accelerating your metabolism. Okay, okay.

So that's a top. Again, the studies on chest players is pretty wild. You can see, they're burning thousands of calories sitting down because they're thinking really hard. Well, I mean, and then you can also look at the people that are riding a cart, you know, Formula One. Look at those guys, there's no fat guys there. Well, I mean, and then you can also look at the people that are riding a car, you know, Formula One. Look at those guys. There's no fat guys there.

I mean, they're not, they're not actually there. At least there are some, I mean, they're, they're not there. But I mean, they're in ten teeth. Yeah, but they're in intense heat, but their brain is so focused on the road and the competition and everything. So, oh, those guys are massive, Tess of Fencing junkies and stimulus junkies and Adderall junkies and all. I'm just gonna ask you,

so you work with a lot of people. Who are the types of people that are most interested in these neutropic categories of peptides? Where do you find the... It's interesting. I don't really have an answer on that. I mean, I definitely know that professional athletes are interested for sure, because again,

the grind, the travel, you know, being in a new city, having to have different time zones and all that stuff. They want to be at their best. But it's a good question. I mean, I think it applies to a lot of different people. Again, depending on your work, depending on your life, depending on what you do. Are you finding these things blowing up?

It says Silicon Valley. Obviously, we're right now, we're in Silicon Valley in San Jose. And this was the place that popularized microdosing, you know, so the side bin and the speed in productivity because they're coding and that stuff. Are you finding these types of peptides blowing up in particular in areas like this? Kind of, kind of not. I mean, I mean, you know, those guys are more into plant medicine. Okay. And the whole, like, you know, DM the whole DMT spirit, all that kind of stuff, the toad, it's not that they're not into this, they're always looking for edge.

I mean, the easiest way to quantify it is like, who's looking for an edge? The people that are looking for an edge, regardless of what industry or niche are vertical or are looking at these things. But it's interesting you say that to get back to test offend scene.

So when they looked at the research, they saw massive weight loss. Yeah. And they're like, what the hell is going on? So then they start looking at it. And again, as I was telling you guys, and this is the real magic of it, at four months plus usage of it. So I get every day either, you know,

again, the clinical studies are showing 0.5, but now there's 0.25, you know, some of the research chemical companies have half the dose, metabolic uncompleting starts happening, right? So metabolic uncompleting is happening from increase in brown adipose tissue, right? Or white tissue, which is again, brown fat, which is obviously increasing in the rest of-

The reason- Yeah, exactly. Am I saying this right, Jay? Resting energy. Yeah, because when we talk about the metabolism, when we explain to people boosting metabolism, a lot of people think it's just direct lean body mass, higher metabolism, or less lean body mass, lower metabolism.

But there's this range of more versus less efficient calorie burning with your body, with the same lean body mass. And less efficient means you just burn more energy and you burn it off. That's this metabolic encoupling that you're talking about. 100%. If you look at like there's three ways to lose body fat, right? There's energy, right? I'm sorry, there's movement patterning, which would be lifting weights or doing cardiovascular

exercise. And then there's the more muscle you have, the more metabolically active you are, the more thermo-uncoupling there is, and now there's the third path, which is what we're talking about, where agents that actually stimulate metabolic uncoupling, right? And they can do that through, again, increasing white brown, brown antipost tissue, white fat, which again is the highest energy expenditure fat in the body, which, you know, again, is increasing metabolic uncoupling from just taking the supplements. So those are like the three ways, and that's why I was telling you guys that now we're in a place where we weren't four years ago where you can take these agents, you can build muscle, do your cardio, and also

again through your genetics or through how much muscle you have on your body burn fat in three different ways. Well, interesting. So how does that measure up with, you know, the last time we talked, I asked about the peptide in relation to the infrared. And we talked a little about that, pairing those together. You bring up white and brown fat right away, my brain goes to the cold punch.

Absolutely, all those things now will play a role. So that's what I'm saying, like even, and not even, in my 30 days, we talk about doing red light and we talk about doing cold showers and stuff like that, you know, which is obviously thermogenesis through shivering, right? Through cold increasing it that way, but yeah, you can throw those in too. So I mean, if you combine all of those things, there's never, ever, at least in again, in this current era, I've been in time where people can lose body fat so efficiently and preserve muscle mass. Because you guys, we're all bros, right?

At basses, it's we're all bros, you know? And we all understand that if you're gonna lose body fat, you have to preserve muscle and all causes. Yeah, right, right. You know, and a lot of people lose sight of that. So it's like, you know, in the audience, there's people out there like, oh, I wanna lose fat, I wanna lose fat, you know?

And, you know, here's the other thing, because somebody said this to me that day, and I was like, wow, because I never looked at it from this perspective, but if you were a fat person, like a very mortally obese person, you wouldn't give a fly, and you know what, if you lost muscle,

because in your mind, you just wanna be skinny. Yeah. So we know that that's wrong, no, because they just don't understand that, because obviously if you lose muscle, you degrade thyroid hormone, you cause all sorts of issues with your BMR Rest metabolism. Yeah, all that stuff is

Is degraded or or you know made made worse over time? You can maintain the weight low exactly and then you have you know chloric you know explosion after and yeah Exactly everything goes bad. You have metabolic haywire mode people do not realize How easily you could actually lose 30 pounds on the scale and actually get fatter from a body fat person. That blows people's mind when I try to explain that. That's exactly right. I'm glad you just said that because I want to quantify that even more.

So as I was telling you guys and I'm not trying to plug my book, I want to explain it in a perfect way if you want to plug my book, you can. So I have a book coming in April or May, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but So whether you're obese or you're average or you're like us and you're trying to get to the lowest body fat you've ever looked for whatever a photo shoot of fitness competition, whatever, you will be able to do this using these drugs, using these peptides, using these agents without losing any muscle. Okay. So again, the most efficient way possible and you're right. Getting back to what I was trying to say about the, you know, the obese person is they don't understand why they're doing it

or what is the best way to do it. They just wanna lose the weight. So it's up to us and guys like us to teach people like now, what is the best way to do this without compromising obviously your health, your safety and at the same time without losing a single ounce of muscle? And I'm here to say it now, it's possible.

You guys all know, while McDonald, me and him, been back and forth, and at one time, I was actually friends of him, poor Lyle. Shout out to you if you listen to this Lyle. He's nuts. Unhinged is unhinged. Lyle, you're unhinged. But like literally, he used to get an arguments

and debates with people about like, it's not possible. If you're gonna lose body fat, you're still to lose muscle. And I'd always be like, you know what, thermodynamically, you're probably right. You're going to lose some skeletal mass. You're going to lose some water, which as you guys know, this part muscle. Hopefully monomass. My debate or my argument or my whole thesis with this new book coming will be that not anymore. Now you can use Terzapotide, right? And by the way, we didn't even talk about it on the first podcast and we have to mention it right now.

There's one coming that is called a triple agonist. It's called RetroTrue Tide. It's been through phase two and phase three clinical trials. It's written about in the book. There's a whole special note in there. And that will be the peptide that literally hits all three energy pathways. So the ones that we just talked about, so you will be able to take this, and it will literally be the best.

What is it agonizing? Amazing. You got triples of beta? Yep. Beta agonite, what else? It's beta. Man, what are the other two? Well, what are the, so you've got beta, annergic, you've got beta, stimulatory, you have with the third one. Damn. Yeah, I don't know. I was just, I know, I know, but I'm just, I know, but I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I've got beta, stimulatory, you have, what's the third one?

Damn. Yeah, I don't know what I was saying. I know, I know, but I should know this around the top of my head, but it's, so essentially it's hitting everything. It's again, it's gonna increase rusting energy expenditure. It's going to delay appetite or dull appetite,

suppress appetite and it's going to enhance BMR. And it's a peptide. And it'll be again again one shot a week. So imagine when this comes in the market, you know, because we were talking about terms appetite and some agglotide and how it's revolutionized the game. This one comes, it's going to be like, there will be obese people if they can afford it, but it'll be the question. No, no, no, no, I'm sure that you with the appetite suppression, at some point, you get

to have, you have to eat at least enough to maintain, because your body will get really low in the day. Let's talk about that. Because Dr. Etia just did a big thing. That's what I'm referring to. That's true. And I love Peter. He was, and again, you know, Peter has this mysterious way to always extrapolate research in diseased people.

Now, in this studies that he's looking at, he's looking at clinically obese people. Okay. So morbidly obese. And let's face it, when you're morbidly obese, you're comorbid, right? You usually have type 2 diabetes, you're metabolically dysregulated or you have insulin, you know, resistance or all of the above. It's just called you're metabolically deranged. Those people are losing muscle because it goes back to what you're saying.

They don't care. They're not lifting weights. Most of them are They don't care. They're not lifting weights. Most of them are not doing cardiovascular exercise. They're not eating enough protein. They're just literally, in their mind, exactly. Like, oh, I don't have to eat anymore. So I'm 400 pounds and now I'm 300 pounds.

But yeah, you lost a lot of muscle because you're not doing anything to maintain muscle. There's still a minimum modicum of effort and energy and exertion that you have to pull. So it's like Peter glossed on that. and I know Joe Rogan talked about it too, or something, he said, oh, it was 35% muscle mass and they lost. Well, yeah, because they're not doing anything to preserve their muscle. Right.

And they're not eating enough protein. So it's important that, you know, causation does not equal to correlation, right? And you can't extrapolate, again, in studies in disease people or sick people or fat people or whatever you want to call it That this is what goes on in us because I'm here to tell you guys I've been using I use some I go time for eight months. It's okay. I started using Terzapatite in August and For my 24th birthday 24th birthday. I wish I was 24 I look like I'm 24 When I turned 52 on the 24th of February, which was last Friday I was the most leanest I've ever been.

Okay, now I've been eating since then, so I don't look as good as I look last Friday, but I mean, I did it in 30 days with all those agents. And I, Terz Appetite, which we didn't really talk about that much is not a triple agonist, it's a double agonist because again, it's increasing metabolism and dulling appetite. Yeah, what's interesting too is when you look at compounds that, uh, that they've

studied that actually do burn or amplify pure body fat loss. Yep. They also tend to preserve or build muscle at the same time. So testosterone is one of those things. Um, growth hormone, one of those things. Myostatin inhibition, when you inhibit, myostatin, you see muscle gain and fat loss. So the muscle building fat loss combination is, I mean, it's not an uncommon thing. Now it's challenging when you work with the average person

because you, the calories, they tend to exercise wrong, do a shit ton of cardio, no strength training, they're not eating the right way. And so they end up sending a really strong, you know, metabolic adaptation signal to their body. But if you do it the right way, I mean, we train people for a long time, especially beginners, I would often get people

who build and lose at the same time. Now, after a while, it's more, mostly just lose. But in the beginning, you know, and this is with using no peptides or anything like that. Yeah, yeah. Well a while, it's more mostly just lose. But in the beginning, and this is with using no peptides or anything like that. So. Yeah. Well, no, it's a great point.

I actually, when Ava first reached out to me, and I was researching you guys, I mean, I knew who you guys were, but I listened to you. I listened to one of your shows where you guys were doing a show on, or it was a clip, I think, on TikTok. It took me to TikTok, but I watched the podcast when you were talking about higher reps and how like-

The one way people were trying to come after us, it's so funny. But you guys are 100% right. I mean, I could do a whole show with you guys on that. Look, I wanna say this, you guys are props to you guys. And again, and I'm really good friends with Mark Ripotot, and I'm really good friends with the guys at Elite. And I love those guys, but they don't understand

energy systems. And to build muscle, you have to tax all three energy systems over time. So when you're tech, when you're doing one rap maxes, three, five, six, even eights, you're not hitting the higher, you're not hitting the aerobic, a lactate, you're not hitting the phosphatonic,

you're only hitting the type two fibers, right? So it's like, what you guys were saying is so many people miss this, you do have to train in all the various rep ranges over time to build muscle, especially as you get older and you become more adapted to building muscle. Yeah, I don't care what rep range you train and you stand that all the time. Exactly, exactly right, but so many guys, especially younger guys, and I'm not making fun of them, but you know, you read these guys, you know,

big name guys, a lot of followers, you know, in their 30s, they start talking about like, oh, eight reps is the perfect rep range to train at, or six, or whatever it is, and then they give you all the science, it's like, dude, I'm 52, I've been training for 30 years, building muscle, like I know that if I trained in eight rep range, I wouldn't build any muscle.

I would probably start to act like I got older, right? Cause my body requires different and significant more adaptation. And it's not about obviously how much I lift or anything like that. It's more about the intensity. And again, continuing to fatigue the fibers over time. And I know that was kind of a rebel hole,

but it does equal what we're talking about, which is energy. And you cannot, over time, again, we're getting into fat loss, like you cannot over time not expect, like you were saying, to not have muscle and fat, I'm sorry, muscle accrual or muscle retention, not happen at the same time that you're doing fat loss

if you do it right. If you do it right, yeah, if you do it right, you do everything right, it feels effortless. So, and what, when I know I've done it right with a client is that they'll start eating a particular caloric maintenance. We put them on a cut or a reverse diet and put them on a cut.

They'll end up eating more at the end of the weight loss journey than they did in the beginning. So their maintenance is higher and they're lighter. They're leading. You increase their resting energy expenditure because now they're now more muscular and they have less body. Right. Alright, let's go back to Neutropics. That was the target of the episode.

What is your favorite stack for peptide neutropics? Or do you like to stick to just one? What have you found the most success? Not just with yourself, but what the people you've worked with? Yeah, so I mean, I mean, this is a really good question because I think it does come down to the end user, like, you know, my business partner, Nick Andrews, which I'm sure we'll have on at some point.

He loves CMACs, he loves the link, and he also takes to re-belize them together. So all three of those together. We haven't even talked about re-belizing, we will. It's up to, you know, we have to speak in code about that. But for me, I told you guys, I don't get a tremendous result from any of them, but I kind of like Selenck Amidate, the internasal.

That's the one that I feel like, whoa, I'm noticing this. Again, nothing makes me rave, nothing like Tessa Fencing. If I'm just gonna tell you guys, like, what is what I feel the best on Tessofencing? But again, it's not even considered a new tropic peptide, although it should be because again, it at heightened BDNF so much.

And again, it gets fat loss more popular, so. Well, I mean, but also like, as I was telling you guys, like, it doesn't cause receptor attenuation. So there's no downgrading, you can come off of it cold turkey and you could take it for as long as you want with no side effects, right? So it's pretty amazing. Am I going to notice if I go off dihexet and cmax right out the gates? Do I need to slowly wing now? It's there's no way to know until you do it. Okay. You know, I mean, I haven't heard that like, you know, outstanding from anybody who say, oh my god, you know, no, but I mean, it's possible that you could. Okay.

I had a thought too, as we were kind of like exploring this that, so you brought up too that you had been like, sleep deprived on some level. I myself have, you know, and I'm pretty sure we've been fighting a little bit of like, low levels of like apnea. It terms of like us being able to feel the effects

of it more and like sleep being a factor there. And like, how much is that? Is like, prerequisite going in it more and like sleep in a factor there. And like how much is that is like pre-requisitive going in? Yeah, like sleep deprived people or could probably see a bigger effect based on that. Well, that was my theory on you guys because I said, I'm sleeping great right now and I'm also very high doses of caffeine.

So I thought I want to say I'm very thin on caffeine. Yeah, I wonder if I'm not feeling it very much because I don't have any issues with sleep. I'm drinking tons of my higher doses of caffeine right now, so it's mitigating any potential positive benefits. You guys are the opposite right now, yeah? Yeah. I mean, that's a great point.

So I mean, like I would say to you, like I would know myself, but it makes a lot of sense that if you're sleep deprived, and then the peptide is giving you better energy and better focus, it's more heightened. So it's the whole... Well, lack of sleep crushes you, you get an F. Absolutely.

If you don't sleep, your beating F is a hundred percent. A hundred percent. No, a hundred percent. So that may be why, right? Yeah, I mean, without a doubt. I mean, we all definitely... So here's the thing, and I don't want to rabbit hole, but sleep. I studied a lot about melatonin and the melatonin pathways and the brain and stuff like that.

People say you need $8. You know, $68 a sleep night. That's actually not true. What you do need is four hours of polyphasic sleep, which is the deep respiratory sleep, which very few people get today, because of phones and EMF radiation, and idiots charging their phone next to their bed,

and all this stuff that keeps us awake, where we don't actually fall into that deep restorative sleep. I don't know about you guys, and this isn't a plug for them, but to me, the greatest biohack ever is the eight sleep mattress, right? Like I sleep on the eight sleep mattress. That's just like our,

we have, we have, we have, we have, we have the chair. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We talk about that change, that change my life. Those are huge. If you think those are good,

you guys gotta get the AIDS link. Okay. So I mean, it's not sponsored by them. Yeah. She eats all over. Really that good. Oh my God. I mean, that's like, I mean, my wife is,

is, you know, going through paramedicol, she's just turned 51 and like women, when they're going through that are nuclear reactors. I mean, like, they're going to be hot and cold. And like with that, like it's the most unbelievable thing. I sleep like a bear. I sleep at 55 degrees. That's I have my best colds.

It will go. Yeah. And we'll we don't have to, you know, compare contrast. Those are great, but like this is like a whole different level. I don't like I don't wear my aura ring anymore because it tracks everything. It's unreal. I mean, also the sleep aid actually tracks that too. Every. Oh, that's the most amazing thing. You can also that's what you like more about it. anyway anymore because it tracks everything. It's unreal. Also the sleep-aid actually tracks that too.

Oh, that's interesting. Oh, it's the most amazing thing you can tell. So that's what you like more about it. Because I'd say if they're both cooling the mattresses and doing that, it's the track you can use. Yeah, it's everything else that comes with it. Interesting. I mean, it's just, it's so unbelievable.

It's the most amazing tech. But to back to that, like, I would definitely say that all the listening audience, all of you guys, it's critically important that you sleep at least four hours consecutively. And that's hard for guys that have older guys that have prostate issues. And a lot of us. Yeah, well, a lot of us, because we're on

therapeutic testosterone, we do other things. I don't know if you know this, and I didn't know this when I first started doing this. And actually, it's funny we're talking about Dan Shane because he's the guy that taught me this. So ripped fuel back in the day. So if you had this mysterious, I must, I've given you a cramp. Dan's $1,000 of them. So rip fuel had this mysterious way to dilate the smooth muscle in the walls of the prostate. Yeah. So if you started using... Is it because it's a bronchodilator?

Is it similar? Okay. So in your 20s, if you started having a narrow or piss stream or it wouldn't drip all the way out, or you just didn't have that flow that you had, that was because the rip fuel was dilating the smooth muscle along the walls of the ureter and the whole track, the whole area in there.

Yeah, so I remember, yes, to check this out. So I remember, and when I first started using it, I was like, what's going on? I went to see a urologist. And then he recommended me to an endocrinologist, and then I went back to another urologist. Before I ever started therapeutic testosterone. And none of them had any clue.

They were just like, oh, you know, you just can have to just like, you know, put your hand like right there. I'm not kidding you. It was like, I should have known at that point that like clinicians are mostly brain dead. They're just told what to say by you know pharmaceutical reps. But once I met Dan and I started telling about that, he's like, oh, little, little, little, little, little, little, little, little, he just told me exactly and I was like, cheese.

So, so the, so the, the ifedra and the rift fuel, it can, vasoconstrictor or vasodilator. Both. So it's, it's constricting the re-thra and dilating like in other areas. That's why you have that yeah. And then that's why also you'd have like if you remember it. I did have to say. Yeah. I'm bigger of those that's kinked off. Yes. Exactly. Or sometimes you have this like crazy flow and you're like and then also it stops and you're just like what is going on? Okay so so so I used to buy ripped-, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, him, me, white willow work. And I did all that shit and I swore to God. I worked out for three hours, came home, thousand of died because obviously too to have a dose.

So Dan, you almost killed me. It wasn't that hilarious though, but because of Dan, like now you know that, I mean, and no, no, no, the doctors even knew that, but that's what that was doing. And so now I'm 52 and you guys aren't getting any younger, either, and we all have BPHs, we get older, it's part of being a man, right?

So it's like to understand that, and that's why I was telling you guys, I'm like, we'll talk after the show, but that's why we wanna get on the prostate by regulators because they're going to stop the BPH as we get older and beyond therapeutic testosterone. All right, just to close the loop on Neutropics. Increasing BDNF, what does that feel like?

I can tell you what I feel like, but I'd love to hear what you, because you've worked with so many people for sure So for me personally what it feels like is I feel If you've ever been through those times when you feel inspired. Yes, I feel like that more often I feel like memory recall is sharper in fact one thing that I noticed when I first started going on these was I was remembering things that I had forgotten. So like childhood things or commercials or articles that I had read a long time ago, all of a sudden were kind of popping up. Creative flows, much better than me. Exactly. And verbal fluency. So is this, this is what I'm assuming higher BDNF feels like,

is this what you're getting from other people as well? It's 100%. And just so you know, when you have higher levels of BDNF, you're able to reach into the hippocampus, which is the storage. That's the storage of the memory. Okay. And that's why you're remembering all those things. But that's exactly right, Justin.

I also feel like I'm gonna better move. Free eight of flow, 100%. Okay. So that's the inspiration. So the better mood is like, it's not really dope in the Nurgic signaling pathways, although that's what it kind of feels like, but the BDNF just, what it really does,

you've just said it, you nailed it. It increases creative expression. So when you're creative, you're not living in like the, you know, we all hear a million times of the only thing that matters is right now. Right. The now moment, the zero point. When you're creative, you're in the zero point. Yeah. Now are they all doing that? Or which which one does it the best like which I they all from from my and I'd love

Of course you know and from what I've read they all Effect BDNF. Yes, they all raise be in every new trophy. Just doing it. Yes Every trophy is enhancing BDNF. You said it to already so like fasting is huge for BDNF. So that's again going back to this book is like, you know, I'm going to have a whole chapter on like, if the key is enhancing creative flow or creative expression, then what do we do in combination to enhance that so that we can live in that state, the zero point at all times in our lives. Right?

Fasting, BDF enhancing agents, red light, cold plunging, exercise sleep, exercise, deep restorative sleep. Yeah, I mean, there's no question that we can use all these new tools and tactics to live in the mouth point. Now, Jay, not to go on the left, but you talked about,

so now that I have you, I want to ask you a question. You talked about deep sleep or restorative sleep. I also started playing with a peptide called DSIP. Deep sleep. Deep sleep inducing peptide. Yes, that is supposed to raise the amount of REM, what is it, three or four, stage sleep. So, okay, that was pretty wild too.

It's amazing. I've only used it once in my life, and I didn't take enough of it, but it is definitely an amazing peptide. Definitely one to also talk about like if we come back. When I come back, and if Nick comes back with me, and we talk about bioregulators, we'll go into that stuff too,

but we should definitely talk about organ systems, and how, like, as we get older, like, like, so I would actually say to, like, maybe loop this all together and end it, like, what the next frontier in our space is, how do we enhance what we're already enhancing, right? So we're enhancing through testosterone, we're enhancing through ROTORMO, we're enhancing through BDNF agents and focusing agents and neutropics and all this stuff. But we're also aging, so what is the backdrop to keep improving and not stagnating as we enhance till the end, right?

And maybe the end is actually not the end. Maybe the end is now we live to 200, you know what I mean? Like we're now enhancing our DNA through Thymalan, you know, pinion on. We didn't talk about that. We'll talk about that on pyregulators. I mean, so pinion on just to rabbit hole for one second is literally increasing the pinion gland. Wow.

Which is mostly calcified from living in the United States or any of the Western world. Yeah. I mean, yeah, for sure it is. I mean, that's not a conspiracy anymore. You know, it's hilarious. It's like dentist still tell you that fluoride is okay. Like, if you guys ever got into debate about a dentist about like, I don't want my kid to have fluoride stuff

and they look at you like, what are you talking about? So it's not a conspiracy theory anymore that it calcifies the, the pinnacle. It's definitely not a conspiracy theory. So I remember that in years ago that was like, no, no, no, there's tons of research out there. It's just covered up. They just don't want to tell you that.

And dentists don't learn that in dental school. I actually did a funny thing two years ago with my kids. I was interviewing dentist in Temecula, just to ask them about that and not a single one of them until I finally got to one and he was like, my God, you never want to have. There's actually a dentist who's a good friend of mine who's in Germany right now.

I forget his name, Dr. whatever. He's pretty big. He's a pretty big influencer right now, but he's the guy that takes out all of the, what do you call it? I make you feel like you're a great person. Yes, and he's also like one of the world's leading experts on talking about fluoride and decalsifying the pineal gland and stuff like that. So it's all out there now. It's just, you know, again, they just lie to us. Wow. Wow. And first they're going to make you eat bugs like that. So it's all out there now. It's just, you know, again, they just lie to us. Wow. Wow. And first they're gonna make you eat bugs after that.

Oh, I can't wait. You'll own that one. You'll be happy. Hey, before we hear what I do wanna tell our audience that is hung in all the way to this point, you're probably people that will be very interested to hear this is that, you know, my goal is to get J to come into the private forum that we have at MPHORMO

on the Tom Facebook. It's absolutely free. It's a great resource. And hopefully get him to come into the private form that we have at MP hormones at on Facebook. It's absolutely free to great resource and hopefully get him to come in there and visit if I can. Monthly if not quarterly come in there. Monthly for sure. I love these. I love them. Thanks. Appreciate you guys. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mindpumpmedia.com. The RGB Superbundle includes maps and a ballac, maps performance and maps

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