Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2099: The Least Efficient Way to Burn Calories, Why Barbell Exercises Are So Valuable, How to Shorten Workouts While Maintaining Their Effectiveness & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered live caller's questions, but this was after a 52-minute introductory conversation, where we talk about fitness. Curtain events are lives, studies, and much more.

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Starting point is 00:02:02 Yes, it is a barrier between you and the world, but it is not like plastic. It doesn't just repel everything. It actually absorbs things. What you put on your skin often gets into your body. Also, your skin is a great place to display your health. Bad skin oftentimes means poor health. Oftentimes it means poor. Got health. Here's the deal natural skin tends to be the healthiest But in modern societies we're exposed to pollutants Makeup products lots of different things that are on our skin. We wash ourselves every single day skin care products Try to replace the natural things found in skin with chemicals, and they don't do a good job at all.

Starting point is 00:02:45 So when trying to take care of your skin, number one, just be healthy on the inside. And number two, if you put something on your skin, consider it goes in your body. So make sure it's natural. That's typically the best way. What do you think the percentage is comparing those two, right? Like someone has really bad skin. Do you think, how much greater a percentage do you think that has to do with what they're intaking versus what they're putting on?

Starting point is 00:03:12 Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, like his like, I mean, it's a pretty good look at, here's a deal, there's evolutionary reasons why we look at, there's certain things we look at that we just naturally will judge someone's health off of. Whether they're active or not teeth. Is it big? I know that.

Starting point is 00:03:29 If you got bad teeth, look, it's hard to find someone attractive, we got really bad teeth. Why? That probably meant they had poor health, and they probably were gonna die for most of human history. Skin is the other one. Your skin tends to display your health. It could have meant, it's a bad smell, but that's another one.

Starting point is 00:03:47 Total digest people on smell. That's the only true. Definitely. Do you want to other, just say. I don't know if you want to. I'm just saying. But yeah, skin is the other one. And what's interesting is the regulations on skincare products are nowhere near the same

Starting point is 00:04:02 regulations that we put on products that we ingest. So there's all these regulations that we have to follow when we eat something or ingest something, but because we put it on our skin, it doesn't have to follow the same guidelines. When in fact, I mean, you put stuff on your skin and it gets into your body. There's zenoestrogens that are found in lotions and perfumes and skin care products and make-ups. These are things that act like estrogens in the body. So they have hormonal kind of effects. They could have effects on your health.

Starting point is 00:04:32 There's things that can cause inflammation. And then most skin care products, what they do is they strip the skin of its natural oils, which are protecting and healthy. So it's like get rid of all the stuff you naturally have. And then they aim, they attempt to replace those things with chemical mimics. When natural is oftentimes better. Some of the healthiest skin you'll ever see, by the way,

Starting point is 00:04:53 is if you look at people that live in natural societies, what's that, who was that one dentist dug that traveled the world? Western price. Western A price. You guys ever read about this guy? No. So he traveled the world. Western price. Western A price. You guys ever read about this guy? No. So he traveled the world looking at people's teeth

Starting point is 00:05:08 and he was shocked to see that people, that modern hunter gatherers at the time. So people who didn't brush or teeth, didn't take care of the teeth. They had these really straight, nobody needed braces, nobody got the wisdom teeth pulled out, nobody had cavities, really straight perfect teeth. And he was like, holy cow, must be the diet,

Starting point is 00:05:25 and must be their diet. He also made observations about people's posture and about their skin. And they all had, nobody had like, like, you know, acne and terrible skin and stuff like that. Yeah, those are some of the pictures he took of people. And now he came up with some theories and a lot of them were pretty accurate,

Starting point is 00:05:41 like diets where you're eating meat and natural dairy, you're avoiding lots of heavily processed grains. Yeah, they didn't even have crest toothpaste or anything. No, they had nothing. Look at that. Yeah. They had nothing. But yeah, with skin, it's like, you know, look at skincare products, look at the back, look at the ingredients. And it's a chemical smorgasborg of just crap. I feel like women have been onto this for a while.

Starting point is 00:06:06 It's like slowly making it to men. I feel like now. Like I think too, they've been inundated the most with like products and things to their face and makeup and lotions and I don't know. Maybe it's as a result of like, maybe their skin is react more reactive because it's been so many years of like putting all this stuff.

Starting point is 00:06:24 Well bro, you put makeup on, even if you put, you don't put that much makeup on, you put on like the basics, like you're covering your face and stuff every day. And there you go. Wash it off, so then you strip your skin and now you've removed some of its natural oils. I mean, isn't too, okay, so like antibacterial soap

Starting point is 00:06:44 versus regular soap. Yeah, and so like antibacterial soap versus regular soap. Yeah. And so like just the skin itself has to have that healthy relationship with the bacteria. And like if we're just like- You have a microbiome on your skin. Yeah. You know it's funny about soap. Also kills bacteria.

Starting point is 00:06:58 Antibacterial soap contains an antibiotic, a topical antibiotic. Does it really? It's on your skin. Wow. Yeah. Which we know what that is. I think trickle sand, maybe Doug could look at that. What are the most popular, Doug, look at the most popular antibacterial bars of soap?

Starting point is 00:07:12 Yeah, I think trickle sand is the chemical, the antibacterial or antibiotic type chemical. But also what it does is it allows water to break the bacterial cells apart. So that's what water does. So if you ever have like oil on water and then you put like a bar of soap, you ever do this when you were a kid, put like a drop of soap and it makes the oil.

Starting point is 00:07:34 Yeah, it goes, push away or whatever. So the way soap works is it kind of breaks down the film and allows the water to go in permeate and then it destroys the bacteria or the virus. All soap does this. We've been using soap forever. They, you know, thousands of years ago, they just made soap off of ash and animal fat

Starting point is 00:07:52 leftovers from cooking. All of it's anti-bacterial. Anti-bacterial soap contains antibiotics that you'll leave on your skin and it lingers afterwards. And yeah, it's really crazy. Okay, so it looks like there's, doesn't it look like there's a lot of body soap anymore that does it. It looks like all dish soap.

Starting point is 00:08:08 It's all hand soap, yeah, all hand soap, dish soap. I think look up trickless hand, Doug. It might be banned now, but that was one of the more common ones. That was that wasn't that the big thing was safeguard. That was like their big pitch, huh? Because that was the idea is that not only to clean you but then it guards you from the bacteria afterwards. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:26 Google trickle sand just to read up on it. Because I'm pretty sure that's the most common. By the way, they'll put that toothpaste. They'll put it in all kinds of different products. Yeah. So it's like an anti. It's an antibiotic essentially. All right.

Starting point is 00:08:41 What does that say right there on the right, the drug? Trickle sand is an anti-bacterial, you see that on the right there, does? Yeah. Uh, yeah. What reason? Yeah, so trickle San is an antibacterial and the anti-fungal agent present in some consumer products, including toothpaste, soap, detergent, toys, and surgical cleaning treatments. Toys. That's awesome. I like to give my kid toys. Yeah, that's toys. That's awesome. I want to give my kid toys. Yeah. That's strange. That's so much fun.

Starting point is 00:09:06 Between that and the lid, come on. I'm always trying to throw his toys away and I don't have toys all the time. We believe in natural toys. We can even buy that. We should get some rocks. Hey, we should up in your house. It was like rocks and sticks over here. Some mud.

Starting point is 00:09:17 Yeah. You know, that's the thing. So, you don't want to drop an atom bomb on your skin and destroy everything. There's a balance of bacteria on your skin. When you throw that balance off, that's when you get skin problems. And stuff like trickle of sand just destroys everything. So it's using deodorant soap shower gels. It's mainly a preservative too,

Starting point is 00:09:37 but here's something interesting. It is an endocrine disrupting chemical. There it is. So people wash their hands with it. It goes into the water supply, and it ends up like low levels end up in the water. And you're watching. So why even bother?

Starting point is 00:09:50 You know, it just like avoid it. Well, I mean, so I mean, really it's like, pay attention to the stuff you do. By the way, another category are feminine hygiene products. The like the cotton stuff in like tampons, they can be treated with all kinds of shit versus like cotton you would use on clothes or something like that. So, and women put it in their body,

Starting point is 00:10:11 their body absorbs stuff too. That way. So, like all these things, we get, you know, basically all these chemicals were being indedated with, assaulted with them. And your liver has to detox them and it causes hormone issues. And now all of them fly under the radar

Starting point is 00:10:27 because individually they pass the test. But it's collectively what I think is what's happening to us right now. I'll give you an example. You get enough products that barely pass the test. I'll give you an example. Do you know what one of the most common overdoses with medicines is in America?

Starting point is 00:10:43 Aspirin or Tylenol, right? Tylenol, see the benefit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So see the benefit is Aspirin or Tylenol, right? Tylenol, see the benefit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, see the benefit is the generic name for Tylenol. Do you know why? Because somebody will take Nikewill and then they'll throw Tylenol on top of it, not realizing that they both contain

Starting point is 00:10:56 or see the benefit. It's silcery, right? Or Alcassus was aspirin. Oh, that's aspirin. That's aspirin. So, they'll not know that they took one medication that's got four, like Nikewill's got, you know, acetaminop medication. That's got four, like, like, like nightquills got, you know, acetaminophen,

Starting point is 00:11:07 it's got a cough suppressant, it's got a de-conjested in there, and then they'll take Tylenol on top of it. And now they've just exceeded the safe dose of acetaminophen, okay? And then they get liver issues, failure, they go to the hospital, oh my God, which has happened. And they have to treat you

Starting point is 00:11:23 or sometimes in rare cases you die. So yes, they'll, there'll be an FDA, like okay, here's the safe amount of X chemical. So you'll have one product that has that chemical and you'll use it as suggested. So you won't exceed, which by the way, we could argue whether or not, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:41 is that still a safe amount? Cause then they tested over the course of five years, 10 years, whatever, it's always like a short period. But forget that, let's just pretend that that is indeed the safe level. Well, then you use this product, that's got it. Then you use this product, that also has it. Then you use this other product that has it.

Starting point is 00:11:54 Then you go hug your wife, who's got perfume on, that perfume has that product. Then you keep playing with the toy or whatever. Oh, that's also got the other color. Then you, your food out of a container. It also has. So now you've quadrupled or you know exceeded By four times and do that every day. Yes, right. Yeah touch a receipt that you get from the register and that's got some shit in it

Starting point is 00:12:13 Right, so isn't that the worst? Isn't that the worst one? Dude crazy amount. I think I remember I've never seen a beer did a thing on that right? I never get receipts now. I was cute all with me I'm gonna hit it to be so does it like oh, I'm cool never gets receipts now. I was cute all with that. Doesn't he have like, they're gonna hit it to me so it does look like, oh, dumb cool. He has like,

Starting point is 00:12:25 tweezers or something. Like he's, grabs it after and just like puts it in a trash. No receipt please. Yeah, I never received it. They actually ask you now, most places, you know, it's rare, like,

Starting point is 00:12:34 it's rare that like they give you the receipt automatically. They normally almost ask every time. That's good for them too, right? Same place. Yeah, yeah. Or it's received now. Yeah, so I mean, I mean, along these lines, like,

Starting point is 00:12:44 you know, one of the companies we work with Caldera, if you look at their products, they don't, they work with natural things. They work with ingredients that come from seeds or fruits or plants. That's not always up, by the way, I know people are like, oh, some plants are poisonous to, yeah, that's true. Okay, but these are all things that have been used

Starting point is 00:13:03 for so long. We generally know that they're pretty good. Yeah. And the goal of Caldera products is not to cover up or strip or replace. It's to enhance. So, you know, for example, they're oil. We're, none of us here were skin care product people. Okay. Caldera approached us and that their product literally sat on our shelf for, I don't know, how long. Right. Finally, I don't remember who it was.

Starting point is 00:13:30 It's like, hey, try this out. Come on, this company wants to work with you. I have oily skin. Justin's got dry skin. Yours, you have psoriasis. All of us use the same product. All of us had good results. That's when we became converts.

Starting point is 00:13:43 Why? Because it works with your natural. Well, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's funny is like, I don't know if they sought us out because we're handsome. But we're not. I just want to make a comparison here.

Starting point is 00:13:54 So you got Mario Lopez, right? You got Frank Rillo. Yes. You have like all these other Hollywood like superstar actors. They just picked up our buddy Michael Trinnell. Michael Trinnell's hands, he's a super handsome guy.

Starting point is 00:14:04 Another hands, say. I mean this Save on are we in that category? I'm not gonna be the turn in the punch bowl, but maybe they started with us. No, no Maybe the board meeting was like we always hold handsome guys. We got to connect to the average guys We find in that market. Can we find some averages? They did just reach out to my boy Chris Niggie be and he's not very cute some averages. They did just reach out to my boy, Chris Nagibin, he's not very cute. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:14:26 He's not gonna find that out the Chris. But he's attractive. Yeah, there's a difference. Hands up. What did that say Doug? Oh, about the BPA and receipts. Yeah, yeah, we were talking about that already. Yeah, so do you think receipts have to follow

Starting point is 00:14:40 any of the same regulations that? Yeah, because no one's thinking about eating it or rubbing it on your skin. But you do touch it. Yeah, of course. It does go on your skin. But you do touch it. Yeah, of course. It does go on your skin. Yeah, I know. By the way, what we're talking about right now

Starting point is 00:14:49 is one of the leading theories as to why testosterone levels and men have been declining for decades. And it seems to match the, the, how many of these chemicals are permeating our markets and are being used. So like the more, more, more, more of coming to circulation. By the way, you know, this is not, this is gonna, I'm gonna sound like a Debbie Downer.

Starting point is 00:15:09 Some of these are forever chemicals. Like, like they don't, that's it. You don't get rid of them. You know, diamonds are forever. And so is BPA. Yeah, like they don't go away. Like it's it, that's it. We're done.

Starting point is 00:15:21 Some of them take a long, at least give me a ring. Like glyphosate, I think if we stopped using glyphosates right now, I think it would take a hundred years or something like that for them to be. I feel sorry for those people at Costco. They are constantly grabbing people's receipts. They're checking them. And so BPA, which is on those thermal receipts, is a concern because of possible health

Starting point is 00:15:41 effects on the brain and prostate gland of fetuses, infants, and children linked between BPA and increased blood pressure, type tube diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Awesome. Jesus, I just want to bump everybody out today. That's the other thing, too. They're finding that taints are shrinking. People's taints are shrinking. Yeah, remember we read that.

Starting point is 00:16:00 Your taints are shrinking? I don't remember. In distance between. Oh, wait, I do remember that. I do remember that. Balls are shrinking. That's that I do. I do. It's a station. That's right. Yeah. The tank.

Starting point is 00:16:08 Yeah. Bunch. That's the technical term for it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, distance is shrinking. Well, you were talking about Caldera and we're talking about our buddy, Michael Trinow, that reminds me of our other partner with creatures of habit.

Starting point is 00:16:18 He reached out to me. I talked to him yesterday. And first of all, I reached out to him first and said, dude, you have to try those cookies that we got sent over. Whoever it was, I forgot. And I think we shot at him about the first time when they sent over. They were already pre-made and they were shipped to us. And then we kind of threw him in the fridge. It was like, all right. But I actually followed the recipe, put them in the freezer for two hours, like you're supposed to have them. And they are unbelievable. And so I was talking to him about that

Starting point is 00:16:45 and then he told me that we're fine. He just did a, he was tasting the product that him and I have been working on for like over a year and I kind of almost forgotten about it because. This is a secret, right? We can't tell anybody. Yeah, I can't tell anybody what it is yet because it's not a phase.

Starting point is 00:16:57 You guys get all these products. It's not, you know what? Because cheese flavored oatmeal is the sound. Nobody's hitting me up, dude. And check out the new creatures that have it, blue cheese. All right. Anyways, what is that? Why haven't we got a cheese sponsor?

Starting point is 00:17:09 Well, we'll see, dude. I'm working on that moon cheese that I sent over to you. The high pro cheese, bro. Oh, yeah, moon cheese. Yeah, it's really nice. Maybe, huh? Yeah. You know what, those bags of like Parmesan crisps?

Starting point is 00:17:20 That's like a high protein. I love them. Snack. No, look at that. No, look at that. Have Doug pull up the moon cheese is like super high pro cheese. Yeah,. Snack. No, wish I could eat them. No, look at that. Have Doug pull up the moon cheese is like super high protein. Yeah, I know. Yeah, did you check that out?

Starting point is 00:17:29 Listen, people don't know this. If you can eat dairy, you're fucking lucky. I wish I could have dairy. Easiest source of protein and healthy snack ever. Yeah. It's so easy. The fat will sneak up on you pretty quick though too though. So before you, it's like eating almonds or eating things

Starting point is 00:17:42 like that where you're just like, oh, it's healthy. It's healthy protein. Well, I'm always trying to roll. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So can I guess what flavor? Yeah, no, don't do that. I don't know. I'm gonna guess. Yeah, but then one of my, I can't say it. That's okay. You know, you know, you know, you know, below the camera. Oh, all right. Let me get it. Cause I know the stuff you know, you just got me con candy tasting. Yeah, or bubble gum. It's in a con candy or bubble gum. Is it one of those stupid flavors? No.

Starting point is 00:18:06 John Richard would win. Mike and I first met and I first fell in love with creatures of habit. I think it's a full of them with bikes though. And it's product. One of the things I said to him, because they got, I don't know how many total flavors they have.

Starting point is 00:18:20 They probably have like six, seven, maybe more, not even somewhere around them, right? I like the maple if it was. You know what they did? They actually did a, I didn't even know he did like a little mocha run on one. I didn't even know that. Yeah, I know.

Starting point is 00:18:30 Anyways, when he did that, I was like, I was like, this is, so I used to make these oatmeal's myself. So especially during competing, it was my staple first meal early in the morning. Protein scoop. Oatmeal. Yeah, yeah, and I did all kinds of stuff. Chia seeds and nuts and walnuts and all, I mean, I mixed different stuff and tried different

Starting point is 00:18:49 flavors. Chocolate, peanut butter, blue bear, all different fruits and banana. And so a lot of them he's already kind of made. But the one that was my favorite that I made always, he doesn't have anything like it. And so that was why I was like, you have to make this. This is like this of all the oatmeal that I mixed and made. Like this was my favorite flavor. I think I've ever heard you talking about the flavor. I'm not gonna say it, but it's a good joy. July. It'll be here to launch. He's actually already sending me. Is it co-branded? Is it going to say? Yeah, it's co-branded. Oh, yeah. So you know how they have the big riding on there. And then it'll say mind pump on the. Oh, delicious. The center of it. So we'll

Starting point is 00:19:23 co-brand it. But yeah, no, I'm super excited'm super excited about I want them to do I want them to do a high sugar one You're gonna be ever put a shit ton of sugar in oatmeal. Yeah, delicious Ha totally a bit. Yeah, I'm not saying something healthy here. Well look at the macros on that What is that Doug the cheese? Yeah, the moon cheese, 170 calories. You got 11 grams of protein. It's not too bad, huh? Not too bad for a whole bunch of servings. Yeah, for a 14 pieces.

Starting point is 00:19:53 So I don't know how many grams of that. So I told you guys to good rule a thumb, right? When you're, when you're, when you're 14 grams and when you're choosing it. So keto, that's a keto snack right there. Yeah. Yeah, oh yeah, because it's more higher than fat. I don't think there's any carbs, right?

Starting point is 00:20:04 No, none to speak of. Yeah, that's a keto snack. I think it's actually marketed as a keto snack. Is it? Yeah, I think they do market it like a keto snack. But, remember I told you guys a good rule of thumb when you're looking at something for the audience, like when you're with you percentage approaching.

Starting point is 00:20:18 Yeah, the percentage approach. That's more of a fat snack. Yeah, it is. So that's why I brought the almonds. It's like eating, you gotta be careful. It's like eating, you know, you justify, oh that's a good snack. It's kind of good for me. Low carb, no sugar, it's good for me. When's like eating, you gotta be careful. It's like eating, you justify, oh that's a good fact.

Starting point is 00:20:26 It's a good fact for me. Low carb, no sugar. When I was younger, I was seeing with nuts. It's what you say. When I was younger, because I was like, if anything had protein in it,

Starting point is 00:20:34 then that was good. And I remember first off, oh peanut butter's got protein, right? But I disregarded the fact that it's got animal fat. So I would try to eat 30 grams of protein in peanut butter. You know what I'm talking about peanut butter is? And then I would try to eat 30 grams of protein in peanut butter. You know, I was fucking pretty, peanut butter this. Yeah. And then I remember reading that like a pound of pasta,

Starting point is 00:20:49 I think had like 35 grams of protein. No, dude, you know what I used to eat those giant cans of ravioli. Oh. The, the chef was like, yes, dude. Look at a large family size one. That hurts my Italian heart. And it hits, and it gets like, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:21:03 I want, if I remember right, how did you feel afterwards? Dude, I was 20. So I felt like a champ. Yeah, or you just weren't aware of my Italian heart. And it hits, and it gets like, I don't know, if I remember right, how did you feel afterwards? Dude, I was 20. So I felt like a champ. Yeah, or you just weren't aware of how shitty you got this thirsty. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:12 I never do that. So many preservatives. Yeah. You eat such a little garbagey and you're just like, why are we so thirsty, God? Oh my gosh. There's a cotton mouth. It's trashy.

Starting point is 00:21:21 Disgusting. I used to eat a whole can of that cause it had 50 grams of protein. Yes. Yeah. That was disgusting. I saw the water out. So you eat a whole can of that because it had 50 grams of protein? Yes. Yeah. That was exactly what, and it was so good. It was easy. That was back in my, you know, bachelor living at home.

Starting point is 00:21:32 Like that. Just put it in a pot and warm it up. I told you that and hamburger helper with ground turkey. Like just, I would get a pound of ground turkey. Okay, so okay. Let's go ahead. I got the beef ravioli, chef bor, bor, boy, R.D.

Starting point is 00:21:43 That's not a real chef, by the way. Fuck family size. So I don't have that. I do have it byavioli, Chef Bor, Bor, boy, R.D. That's not a real chef, by the way. Family size. So I don't have that. I do have it by the cup, so. So one cup has 220 calories, has seven grams of protein. Yeah, that's nothing. That's the thing.

Starting point is 00:21:54 He would have five cups, like four or five cups. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like five times that. So, Doug, can you see for us, because this feels very racist. Can you see if Chef Bor, your D, was real, or if Americans came up with a name to sound at a time? You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:22:06 So this is sound at a time. Yeah, it's in a boring room. We need a time sounding like a dumb, down-anchamama boy. We need a time sounding like a dumb, down-anchamama boy. And here we go, dude. You can't fucking...

Starting point is 00:22:15 And survival was real. Yeah, I think she was. I don't think she was. I mean, that's what all the movies with all the nice lady. So he is fictional. So I do it. Along with Betty Crocker, of course, Aunt Jemima, who's been canceled or moved.

Starting point is 00:22:28 Don't get, don't get Chef Brody canceled now, guy. Come on. That's racist. You know why it's times when canceled, Chef Brody, do you know why? We don't give a shit. We're not freaking sensitive, relax everybody. Yeah, well, cheers. I don't think it was even a black person

Starting point is 00:22:44 that got pissed off about Aunt Jemima. It was fucking some. He got pissed off about Angie Mimmo. So fucking some Karen. They got pissed off about it. Let's be honest, dude. I gotta deal with Lucky Charms. Whoa, I like the fr- Oh, okay. Wait.

Starting point is 00:22:54 He is real. Is that the sound? I found some of these real. Oh, he's real. Okay, now hold on a second. Here's the racist. He is from the 19th century. All right, here's the racist part. Why? Here's the racist part. His last, now that's the racist. He's from the 19th century. All right, here's the racist part.

Starting point is 00:23:05 Why is it? Why? Here's the racist part. His last, now that's what makes sense. Look how his name is supposed to be spelled. B-O-I-A-R-D-I, B-R-D. How is it spelled? They spell it B-O-Y-A-R-D-I-R-D.

Starting point is 00:23:17 That's awesome. Boy already, that's like when somebody says, Coastal Dilla. Yeah. Yeah. Some other guy. Yeah. Oh, that's a boy already Did you know that that was a common thing so okay, so you guys know how my last name right my last name is Distephanel yeah, it's DI space

Starting point is 00:23:38 Capital S T E F a no right that's how you supposed to. Yeah. When I was a kid, my mom made me spell it with no space and no capital S. Now this is because back in the day in the 70s, when, cause my mom came here when she was four, when you'd fill your name out, especially on legal forms, you couldn't put a space in your last name, cause they didn't recognize that in America.

Starting point is 00:23:59 So back in the day, a lot of Italian, there's a lot of names, Dessantis, Dessantis, or Dastephanel or whatever, names like that, that. DiAngelo. Yes. Where they actually smashed it together and took the capital down and they changed the I to E. So like, Desantis.

Starting point is 00:24:17 Like, DiAngelo, the big stuff. Oftentimes you'll see Desantis with an E. The real spelling was DI space. So there's a lot of interesting. Or an Italian would come aboard, come ashore. This was DI space. So there's a lot of interesting. Or an Italian would come a bore, come a shore. This was way back. You're looking at the like turn of the century, right? Or late 1800s or 1900s. They would say their name,

Starting point is 00:24:33 then the person would write out how it sounded. So that's like boy art decent. Yeah, yeah, normal. Yardee, B-O-Y, boy artee. I need. It's just so rough. That's good. That's great. Hey, you're rich, I'm already. Yeah. It's just enough. That's good. It's good.

Starting point is 00:24:48 Hey, you guys might hear something. I just learned that's crazy. I can't believe this is true. It is true. Maybe Doug can fact check me because I looked this up. This is the wildest thing I've ever read. Not crazy, but it's pretty close. During the 90s, okay.

Starting point is 00:25:03 North Korea leader Kim Jong Il and his son Kim Jong Un used fake passports and they went to Disneyland. What? They went to Disneyland. What, when was this? What, in the 90s? The passports issued by the Brazilian embassy. So they got them by a Brazilian embassy in Prey in 1986

Starting point is 00:25:22 and they're showing pictures of it. It featured a young Kim Jong-un as Joseph Pwag, and his father Kim Jong Il as Lee Jong Choi. And Japanese media claimed that they used this to go to the New Zealand. Wow, dude. Is that funny? That was Tokyo, Disney.

Starting point is 00:25:42 Tokyo Disney. Yeah, Tokyo, okay, okay, that's more sense Still doesn't but yeah, that's fun I thought you're gonna bring up the myth around him like shooting So many holding ones in a golf. Yeah, you hear about that. Yeah, there was just like the stories that I'm floating around that he just was like is that real or is that just bullshit that we make up because we think it's funny Oh, the whole thing that he doesn't shit to write or something like that. He does like. Is that real or is that just bullshit that we make up because we think it's funny? No. The whole thing that he doesn't shit too right

Starting point is 00:26:06 or something like that, he does it. He works so hard. No, that's not real man. That he absorbs all of his food, he doesn't poop. This is the kind of propaganda that they're putting out there. But the golf one was funny because they're trying to push that outward like in the press and they say like he's just a natural.

Starting point is 00:26:22 Yeah, the first time you played golf, you got, did you guys, X amount of holes in one? Speaking of golf, did you see what happened in the golf world? With the LIV. Yes, what's new with that? Pro, the LIV and PGA merged. Oh, what?

Starting point is 00:26:34 They won. Look, look it up, they won. Yes, dude. What? Wait, wait, so did LIV take them over or the opposite? So I don't know if it's a takeover or if it's just a pure merger or just some sort of a partnership they're doing right now.

Starting point is 00:26:47 But I mean, at the beginning, kind of remember PGA was flexing hard. Like, if you go over there, you're, you're, you're not gonna come back to PGA. No, if you was offering crazy money. Yes, like half a million. And it was starting to really get some traction. And I think they saw the potential market share

Starting point is 00:27:02 they're gonna lose. It was like better to join them, you know, you know, you better join them than to try and beat them, right? Boy, we talk about a strategy. If you're a really wealthy group of people to make a lot of money, it's to threaten a large organization with the intent of them trying to merge with you. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:27:19 That's kind of an interesting strategy. I mean, isn't that what they're kind of doing right now? Because they did it. They've done it with multiple sports. They do no bodybuilding or doing it with all kinds of things like that. So, I wouldn't be surprised if that's kind of the strategy. You pointed up for me, Doug. Yeah. Which got, I can give you the overview is they're merging. The PGA is going to remain kind of separate in that they're a nonprofit apparently and they're going to control their own assets, but they are

Starting point is 00:27:43 PGA is a nonprofit. So they say, why are we not a nonprofit? Not profit. We actually help people to like to profit. I know we I'm sure PGA likes profit too. Yeah, they don't look like they're struggling. What is the implications? Do you have to like limit?

Starting point is 00:27:56 You know that you guys know that Rolex is a nonprofit also. A shit. I swear to God. Look, Google it. Rolex is a nonprofit. Keepers to God, look Google it. Rolex is a non-profit. Keepers of the gun. Another interesting fact about Rolex, where do you think that they were founded?

Starting point is 00:28:11 Switzerland. Don't tell me it was Hitler again. No, UK. Really? I didn't know that. Why is that weird? Because it's supposed to be a Swiss. Swiss.

Starting point is 00:28:20 Oh, it is. Is it Breitling in British? I don't know. Yeah, it'sling in British? I don't know. That's a good guess. I don't know. So Rolex is technically a nonprofit company. See? Is that while? What, okay, so what are they, okay,

Starting point is 00:28:34 we gotta, we gotta feel it. But they're extremely profitable, make billions of dollars a year. Yeah. So does that mean they pay less taxes? Yeah. How does that work? How do you come in on profit?

Starting point is 00:28:43 Executives and all that. Like how does that all structure work? What does that, what does that, what does that, it seems do you come in on profit executives and all that like how does that all structure? Where like what is that? What is that? Seems like a pretty cool loophole here. They got I read up on it a long time ago And I don't remember I wish I had we should be a nonprofit. We are helping people That's what I'm saying like we do a lot more good than Rolex and PG-8 does I feel like we could get away with That better. Yeah, dude. Yeah, what's Rolex interesting? Helping people get healthy

Starting point is 00:29:11 And that wild though I remember reading that I thought this is crazy that you can't be talking about If you can't beat them join them We just incorporated AI in a way to help our customers and our our listeners to where you can so here's a deal AI is It's becoming it's it's it's here. So our podcast is still human-made, it's becoming, it's, it's, it's here. But our podcast is still human-made. No, no, no. We're not going to ever be replaced on purpose. Never say that. We might be right now. It's human-made, it's authentic. Who knows, right? But we'll never choose to do that. But what you did. How embarrassing is it when we get replaced by AI? It's better. Way better.

Starting point is 00:29:40 And we know it. We listen to it. We're not getting smarter. Just getting way funnier and we know it. We listen to it. Sal Smarter Justin J. Funnier. Oh boy. By business. I had other stories just get way better. Yeah, I had them. Hella cool. Yeah. Wow. Wow.

Starting point is 00:29:54 That's cool. So, so here's what we did. We actually worked with a company. We created something called AskMinePump.com. You can go there. Now, here's why this is cool. First off, this is how it works. You go there and you ask a question.

Starting point is 00:30:09 Fitness, health, related, whatever. And it goes through all of our episodes and it gives you the answer based off of what we would say, what we've recorded already. Luckily, we have over how many episodes now? What do we have? 2,500 or something like that? Yeah, they're not entirely, the whole catalog's not in there. I think there's like, most 1600 or so.

Starting point is 00:30:27 Okay, that was the recent stuff, right? Yeah, so they started from now and went backwards. Yeah, so well over a thousand episodes. I'm glad you did that way. Of our more recent stuff. So if you ask it, what's the best FetLos workout? Which program is best for me? Here's my Gormons, PepTai steroids, whatever.

Starting point is 00:30:44 Supplements, you name it. If we've talked about it, it goes through all of those episodes and it answers it based off of what we would say. And it's, we've tested it, it's relatively, it's not perfect yet, but it's relatively high-close. Do you know that it actually, it's actually a mind pump eight ball, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:01 Do you know that, have you played with it enough to see that it's talks in all of our voices? Yeah. So if it's something that like one of us said that's closest or more specific It'll say you know Adam or Sal Yes Yeah, which is the most handsome host I've tried that yeah, I did not try that of course that's something you would give me conflicted information I just I'm trying it. It can give you conflicting ever or it says it's not you said a program to do that No, it's not right. It's not right

Starting point is 00:31:24 I didn't do it. It says not. You said a program to do that. No, it's not right. You say that. No, I didn't do it. It says something that's very political. It should say you, because we say you more on the show. No, it's something political. It says, oh, they joke and say this is a nap. Oh, it does. Yeah, it's very political.

Starting point is 00:31:34 You should say Adam is the handsome face. Okay, says, this is Sal speaking here. Yeah, of course. As the horse to mind pump, I can't pick favorites among my co-hosts. Very political. We all bring something unique to the table that we work together to provide our listeners

Starting point is 00:31:48 with the best fitness and health information possible. However, Doug is the best looking. Shut up, guys. I'm the liar. You're liar. That is the best thing. Hey, Doug, ask it. Ask it who would win in a fight between all of us.

Starting point is 00:32:00 Because I want to see if it's accurate. Because we all know that you're the most dangerous person. We should say that too though, because we've said that about that. Yeah, like Doug will win because he carries a ship. Yeah, that's what we've said that somebody to hold there is going to get shipped. Yeah, but anyway, you go on.

Starting point is 00:32:14 So here's what's cool about it is that this is why we did this. Okay, all joking aside, it's not because, you know, A.I.s, we think that it's going to replace us and we fear it. If it does, it does, whatever. It's because the fitness space is so full of total crap that we wanted a place to where if you want, if you want, if you have a question on fitness or nutrition or exercise, you can now filter it through us. Well, and our bandwidth is only so far, right?

Starting point is 00:32:41 If you're going to message us individually, this is just a quicker way to get a response. Yeah, so instead of using Google and getting 99% of crap, trying to sell you stuff, terrible information, you're gonna hurt yourself, whatever, you can filter it through us. What to say, Doug? Again, very politically correct. We don't condone violence,

Starting point is 00:32:59 but we do have a lot of fun on the show. And there's a lot more to that. That's a good, good, good, good deal. Yeah, this is very politically correct. I know I, I've been using it a lot and to what Justin was saying, I think that's the most useful tool. I mean, we were really good when the, when the, when the business was first starting, I mean, we took a lot of pride in, in answering everybody. There was a time when we actually had the ability to, yeah, we actually had the ability to do it. Yeah, when we had the ability to do it,

Starting point is 00:33:26 it obviously got to a place, and which was inevitable that we get to a place where it's absolutely impossible to reply to every DM and answer every time. That's right. So, I mean, and the stuff that we would spend probably a good majority of our time answering is stuff that we've already said or talked about.

Starting point is 00:33:42 And what's even better with this than it was in the past. Because you could just, you know, six months ago, you could go to YouTube or go to Google and put, you know, what does mind pump say about whatever and you would get like a whole episode where this now not only answers you as if it's one of us speaking to you and it literally uses our like the way we would communicate that information. So you get the AI answer and And then in addition to that, you get all the specific clips of when we talk about it. Right, listen to the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:34:09 Right to where it's at. So you don't have to listen to an hour and a half episode to get this short, quick answer that you want. Yeah, that's where it's going to be. I just typed in Doug Kerry a shiv. Yeah. And Adam says, I haven't discussed whether Doug

Starting point is 00:34:20 carries a shiv on the show, which is not entirely true. However, in episode 2078, Doug mentioned that he was interested in purchasing a samurai sword during his trip to Japan. Oh, that's a lot. Which is true. So we did the shift thing.

Starting point is 00:34:33 I've talked about play. I've talked about play. We, that's always him. Well, and two of those were old episodes. They were. So they might not have cataloged them. Well, now it's cataloged on this episode. Yeah, that's my impumple.

Starting point is 00:34:43 No, that Doug cares shit. Yeah, they're always too evolving it, right? So that's part of what I'm gonna have. They're gonna be constantly updating it with new ass content. You're gonna have a toothbrush and soap. And for the record, I don't actually carry a shoe. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:56 Yeah, you sure you do. Sure you do. Watch your neck. You're gonna be pretty. Sneaky. Hey, did you guys, he wears magazines for like body armor? Yeah. Did you guys see all the UFO news?

Starting point is 00:35:09 I was surprised I didn't get ice in it to you guys. I was like a little disappointed that I didn't know. Yeah, so what was the deal? I mean, so was a whistle blower. He said that we, that government actually has gone out and retrieved beings and... He said a lot of shit, but then like literally, he was trying to confirm it all.

Starting point is 00:35:24 Hours later, like they had to come back and recant a lot of years to deal if if it was that big of a C.C.C. Whatever if it was that big of a secret he'd be dead So this makes me you know what the CIA and all these agencies do misinformation They do what's called counter disinformation. They do disinformation. So it's been confirmed that Roswell, Area 51, that that's where they were developing the Blackbird, spy plane. This was during the Cold War. It's the fastest plane ever made to spy on the Soviet Union. And in order to throw people off, because they'd be seen shit, obviously they're flying this plane, they came up with this fake story that planted in the newspapers that there was an alien craft. And it was literally disinformation. So this feels something like that.

Starting point is 00:36:09 Well, it always comes up when there's some major court hearing or something for powerful people. It's like, oh, hey, look, we got alien stuff over here. That's true. To some actual time. I guarantee there's something happening with court case somewhere. Oh, yeah. Somebody important. Interesting.

Starting point is 00:36:25 What did you think of the, I also sent over to you. You said you had already seen it and looked at it was the study that Lane's buddy did. Oh, I saw that on the failure. On the failure training. Yeah, it's really not. So here's the thing. I, this is why we all talk about this. Why we don't like these studies on, on muscle building.

Starting point is 00:36:41 The study concluded that the closer you trained a failure or the higher intensity, the more muscle you would build. But there's lots of other studies that show that that builds too much fatigue and actually is not as effective. And anybody who's been training for a long time will tell you that train to failure all the time, is a very, you'll get results quickly and then very quickly you'll stop getting results. So it's like one of those studies. It's like the studies that show eight to 12 reps builds the most muscle.

Starting point is 00:37:06 Because what do they do? 16 weeks? You know, 16 week study? You know, people are not just working out for 16 weeks. I was going to ask you and I didn't get a chance to read the study yet, but it was something about sucralose that just came out about it. It was messing with your DNA. No, it was, there's, it was an in vitro study that showed that a chemical byproduct was present

Starting point is 00:37:31 in a single serving of sucralose, so what you would normally get like a diet soda, that exceeded what the EU considered to be safe. But it was in vitro. And again, there's other studies, so it's kind of like, you know, is it really? So who knows? But that study showed, oh, look, this chemical is present in higher amounts than the EU says. It's supposed to be.

Starting point is 00:37:52 Yeah, it's just not floating around quite a bit. Yeah. By the way, you know what's interesting is, so studies are done in two main ways. There's in vitro, that's in a Petri dish in the lab, in vivo, which is in animals or humans, and then there's something called Ensilica, which is with AI or computer learning. Predictive or like these runs. So you'll put your watch in.

Starting point is 00:38:20 Remember when Iron Man and the Marvel movies, would like he'd like run experiments with the Digital simulation or something. Yes. Okay. So they just they just discovered a an antibiotic that would treat these drug-resistant Antibiotics that are scaring everybody and they did it in silica. They actually they have an algorithm in the AI They the AI knows the bacteria and then they They gave it 7,000 possible chemicals and the computer picked the one that is most likely to prevent replication and boom and it's like cheap right you don't have to test a bunch of different things it can run the simulation and they could figure it out a way. They had success and it worked.

Starting point is 00:39:02 Yeah they're pretty sure this is going to work. Next step will be in vitro and then in vivo. That'll be crazy. Yeah, if they start figuring that out with the ranked simulations on all the drugs. Oh, crazy. Farma industry is going to explode with it. It's going to explode because they're

Starting point is 00:39:18 going to be able to run every test in Silica. They'll be able to present a disease model and then the computer will be able to. I'm so curious to how, I was on a text where my two best friends and we were taught, it's funny because we've been talking about this for quite some time now, and it's now started. He was actually the one who shared me that episode

Starting point is 00:39:40 that I share with you, the Google executive and so on, that talking about. Oh, I know, a terrifying interview. Well, but my point is super doom. executive and stuff like that talking about. Oh, I'm a terrifying interview. Well, but my point is, super doomed. We've been talking about this a lot for the last six plus months, right? And it's starting to make its way now to my friends

Starting point is 00:39:54 who don't pay attention to a lot of stuff like that. And they're tripping on my, bro, I've been telling you guys this for a while now to like, it's going to be the alarm for a while. And so now to see people like that that don't really care, pay attention to much that we're starting to even realize, this is going to change my profession.

Starting point is 00:40:10 I can see it. And it's going to happen so, and he like, you know, compared it to the industrial revolution. I was so slow. I said, I said, yeah, now times 10 and 100 times faster. So think of what that did do and how it changed the way we did work going forward. But that took over decades for it to evolve and really unfold

Starting point is 00:40:33 where this is gonna feel like an overnight situation. Like, it's gotta be knocking at our door right now where we're gonna see within this situation. If you were a wagon wheel maker at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, you had your job till you died. It wasn't your kids or their kids were like, we're at a business, like we gotta make tires.

Starting point is 00:40:52 This revolution is like, you're doing a job or you're going to school for a job by the time you graduate that job no longer exists. That's how fast this has happened. How crazy is that, right? Thinking that your kids go into college right now. You wanna know what's funny? So we have this electrician that comes super cool guy really cool guy And he comes and works on the house sometimes anyway. I saw him the other day comes over and I see him and I just start cracking up

Starting point is 00:41:16 And he's like what's up, man? I'm like, you know what's funny, bro? I said do you do you realize that your job? You're probably gonna be the one to last employed people, cause you don't have a tradition. And he goes, yeah dude, he goes, I know, that's pretty funny. He goes, the demand for my job is like, people are trying to come in now. I'm not cool. The getting handy man's right now is like a real struggle.

Starting point is 00:41:34 They're like on high demand. Yeah, and then you know what's fun. What's up? And then he goes, you know, I've been hearing about this. I said, oh yeah, really? And he goes, I don't wanna let you know, but I listen to your show.

Starting point is 00:41:42 Like, fuck off. He's like, yeah. Oh, no way. Oh, no way. Yeah, he listens to your show. Like, fuck off. He's like, yeah. Oh, I was like six times. Oh, no way. Yeah, he listens to my show. Oh, that's funny. Oh, that's so great. But, yeah, I was just telling him,

Starting point is 00:41:51 like, isn't that weird, bro, that your jaw, you're probably going to be one of the last. It's so, to me, it's just full circle. You know, it's, we, knowledge was the quest forever. Now, we've built something that's going to be better at us with knowledge. It's crazy that a lot of people don't see like they think like even my my my buddy's wife and him they were actually getting in an argument about because he's like trying and

Starting point is 00:42:12 she's a respiratory therapist. And she's like everybody automatically defaults to like terminator AI robots walking around and going like that's not going to I'm going to have some AI robot replace me doing that. It's like, no, you're not thinking clearly, like all the steps, yeah, exactly. All the steps and systems and application to medicine and stuff like that, to give to people like that, there's still gonna be a human component to almost every profession,

Starting point is 00:42:38 but it will only take one human to operate all these. And what I know people do, these AI tools, and so it's going to make jobs that humans were doing that took them, say, a couple hours to produce the result for whatever, and AI is going to be able to speed that up exponentially. And now one person can run eight to 10 to 20, however many AI tools,

Starting point is 00:43:00 and so it's absolutely going to disrupt that. You know it's already getting massively disrupted already right now. Copyrighters already. There's companies right now. Copyrighters and engineers, they're laying engineers off by the dozens because one engineer now can prompt, you know, X amount of AI tools to write code that it would take X amount of engineers to do. So, yeah, some of these big massive, I mean, I'm what, what I can

Starting point is 00:43:24 curious about is, we obviously know like the huge, all that we've been talking about layoffs for the last year. So, I wonder how many of these, you know, Facebook and Google and all these execs, saw the right, I mean, obviously they're doing it because of the recession in the direction we're going that you got to lay off and be,

Starting point is 00:43:39 you know, smart companies that are massive ships, they have to start that ahead of time before they really hurt the environment. But I wonder too, of part of it was recognizing too, like, oh, we're not going to need these professions anyways in the next year or two. I imagine you're the guy working on it. You're like, Bill, you're like, oh, I'm creating the thing that's going to make my job disappear. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:56 Well, wasn't he in that video? Well, that interview was crazy. That was at ex Google exact. You know, was he C.O.O? I think it was. Yeah. And he said, quote, this is the most dangerous thing we've ever done. was, he was, he was, he was, he said, quote, this is the most interesting we've ever done. And then he said, literally, quote, we

Starting point is 00:44:08 fucked up. Yeah. Like we're already late. And he said within months, this could happen with a month. Yeah. He's like, we all agreed when we started this. Do not put this on the open internet. And that's what they just did. Yeah. So. Yeah. That's good. A doctor died type of situation. That's kinda where we're on. That's good time. I'm gonna find the optimism to you. Yeah. All right, I'm gonna take a funny story,

Starting point is 00:44:29 just to change the mood. You wanna hear about this guy who, what he did to get back at his ex girlfriend? It's kind of a genius, genius move. So in 2012, I read this this morning, I was dying. A Chicago man bought a car for $600, and he registered it in his ex-girlfriend's name. Okay.

Starting point is 00:44:48 Then he parked it at O'Hare Airport and racked up $678 parking tickets, totally $105,000. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. I guess that would work. That's dirty.

Starting point is 00:45:01 He was buying a car in some way. You know the worst part about that so, actually brilliant because- Talk about a prank. Because even when she does get away with not having to pay with the what she's going to have to go through. That's it. Yeah. To not bureaucracy is she's going to get through to even like prove that her. What it takes to remove super gangster. That is a gangster move right there because that is like there's there's no way around her and that not becoming a massive headache for her. Yeah. She's not gonna pay $100,000 or $100,000. No, she's gonna prove that he did this and

Starting point is 00:45:30 whatever, but what a pain. And to back all that out on things like with it like tickets and stuff like that. And it's on your record until you fix it. Look what happened to Doug and I. We still have yet to get on. We're now nine months into trying to repair our credit over a mishap on the banks messing up on the auto panel. Yes, my credit still is not fully repaired from that. Just that one little blip. And it wasn't our fault. It was on this bank, on the systems fault.

Starting point is 00:45:58 And so they've acknowledged it, but still. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. They've totally acknowledged it, but it's because there's so many moving pieces in there. It's just like, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, they've totally acknowledged it, but it's the amount, it's because there's so many moving pieces in there, it's just like, yeah, crazy. So that's what, she'll deal with something that times 10. Wow. Wow, you know, one time I got, one time, so when I used to own my studio,

Starting point is 00:46:16 I used to have to pay this tax where, I remember what the, what the name of the tax was, but you have to pay a tax on the value of the equipment in your facility. I can't remember what that, what it was. The thing was. Yeah, so I know, there's a tax for everything. So not only do I pay taxes on my income,

Starting point is 00:46:33 not only I pay taxes on that, you know, that and the other, but also the value of the equipment every year, there was a tax that I would pay. Now the total value of the equipment in my gym, in my, because it was a small studio, so what did I have? Dumbbells, I had a rack, I had this big cable machine called the DaVinci, which was somewhat expensive

Starting point is 00:46:54 or whatever, and the total value, and some cardio machines, I had like four cardio machines. The total value I think was like $40,000, something like that, for all that stuff. Well, I got a bill one year and whoever the estimator was, whoever worked for the city of Elz and Lasca dos, whoever worked for the city of Lasca dos, put the decimal point in the wrong place. So I got a bill for $450. Bill is building himself.

Starting point is 00:47:22 I never miss that one down. I was just wondering. Every time I get a that one down. Every time I get a chance. It's like a salt. Isn't that what happened off the space where he tried to do that? I think it's called business personal property. Something like that. Or like unattached property.

Starting point is 00:47:39 Do we get nailed for that for all this? I don't think so. I don't know. Now would they know? I know now. Thanks Adam. So highlighting that. Hey, they put this, this fucker, whoever it was, put a decimal point in the wrong place,

Starting point is 00:47:53 all the centels paying tax on $450,000 worth of equipment. Do you know what a pain in the ass it was? Does it get affixed? Do you have any, like I spent more money on the, on trying to get affixed than the tax was? That's why that's such a brilliant like FU's that, you know, even though, Do you have any idea? Like I spent more money on trying to get a fix than the tax one. That's why that's such a brilliant like FU. You know, even though she will not have to get it paid, it's not in like whatever, the loopholes and the headaches

Starting point is 00:48:15 and anger that she's gonna have to go through just to get it all fixed. I mean, that's like, I'm not gonna remember that. It's like an ultimate, like, brutal deal. All right, I got a supplement study. That's kind of cool. They did a multivitamin study on older people. Actually, he's a pretty good study. This was, this is a science daily, May 24, 2023.

Starting point is 00:48:38 So it's a newer one. Columbia University Irvine Medical Center did this. So what they did is they took 3,500 adults over 60 and there were people in there that were randomly assigned to take a multivitamin or a placebo for three years. That's it. So they said, take this every day and you're part of the study. Well, some people had a multivitamin and they didn't know or a placebo. Nobody knows. Yeah. Multivitamin or placebo. That's all it was, right? At the end of each year, so this was done for three years? At the end of each year, so this was done for three years,

Starting point is 00:49:06 at the end of each year participants performed a series of online cognitive assessments at home designed to test memory function of the hippocampus and area of the brain that is affected by normal aging. So this study showed that at the end of the first year, memory improved for people taking a daily multivitamin, people with a placebo did not. They estimated that the improvement which was sustained

Starting point is 00:49:29 over the three year period was equivalent to about three years of age-related memory decline. If the effect was even more pronounced than people with underlying cardiovascular disease. So, multivitamins, they actually have some values, especially with older people. Now people might think, is it making them smarter? No, what's happening is the people taking the placebo probably have some nutrient deficiencies,

Starting point is 00:49:52 which is causing the cognitive decline. So the people with the multivitamins, we're just filling those deficiencies. It's probably a good idea to take a multivitamin, no single day. Yeah, I would think. Yeah, what are you looking at me for? That's just the, that seems like such a terrible study to me. Why? Well, first of all, the adherence, you're the only person I've ever met in my life that

Starting point is 00:50:10 can consistently take a supplement in a pill every single day. Sure. So there's one. Okay. All the other facets of, you know, drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, exercising, not exercising. Yeah. We know the benefits of the things that are pro-health.

Starting point is 00:50:26 We know the detriment of the things that are anti-health, what they could do to you. And so you've got a three year window of this group of people like that that have all these other variables that could affect the outcome of that. And the one thing that is supposedly really controlled is this vitamin

Starting point is 00:50:45 they're taking every single day, which would be, and they're taking like a cognitive test where they're surveying, right? They're basically saying like, oh yeah, I recall this or oh yeah, like, no, the test itself test memory. Okay, so this is why I like the study and why I brought it up, no studies perfect, but I like this one versus other studies. Other studies on multivitamins were people coming in and self-reporting.

Starting point is 00:51:09 You know, they would do tests. Is this self-reporting too? No, different, different. So I'll explain. So they'll have like 5,000 people show up. They'll have them fill out questionnaires. Then they'll say, oh, the people that took vitamins did better and the people that didn't take vitamins

Starting point is 00:51:20 did worse. The problem with that is there's something called a healthy user bias. People who voluntarily tend to take a vitamin also probably live healthier lives, right? They probably care about their health. This is different because they took 3,500 people, none of which who took a vitamin agenda. They gave all of them a pill, some plebsibo, some supplement. And because it's a large group, 3,500, then you're going to, there's the variances that you'll see in the half that took the vitamins in terms of who exercises and who doesn't. And it was consistent between people with a placebo versus not.

Starting point is 00:51:54 You're going to, it's safe to assume that because it's a general sample, that's similar, that however, whatever percentage of people exercise here, it's probably pretty similar to the amount of people that exercise here. So these weren't people that reported and came in and said, I take a vitamin. These were 3,500 people who didn't take a vitamin. And then they said, here's your pills, take them.

Starting point is 00:52:14 But yeah, I mean, it has to point to the diet being deficient in certain minerals and nutrients. Yes, so this one's much better than others. Whereas again, you have that what's called healthy user bias, where people who report taking supplements also bench press more, they also probably lift weights, because that's why they take supplements. Type of deals.

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Starting point is 00:54:07 It's been some interesting conversation in our household. And now I'm officially obsessed with Nike. So thank you for that. I'm currently probably in debt. And Sal, I am now a science daily obsessed and psychology today. I think it is. So, yes. Thanks for bringing that to the table. Um, okay, I have a couple of questions.

Starting point is 00:54:29 The first one is about anabolic. Um, I used to work out all the time at a gym and I did, um, hit training, lots of cardio running machines and I had trainers, but it was basically with hit and thrown in a little bit of weight. And then I stopped because it just got too expensive. So I started working out at home and within my hit I would throw in the weights, but it would be super low weight, high reps.

Starting point is 00:55:07 And now I ran out anabolic, but I modified everything. Meaning I used a dumbbells for everything. I do belong to planet fitness, I know. And I am hesitant to get a trainer there just again the expense. And if I'm being completely honest, I am terrified of you know squat racks. It's I'm just afraid of you know injuring myself. So I don't want to grab somebody random and just say, hey, show me how to do this, but I do want to run it again. I like the structure of it. So I'm just kind of wondering what your thoughts are on going forward. Okay. Do you, do you, does planet fitness have squat racks or is it a Smith machine? Or are you talking about at home?

Starting point is 00:56:00 I don't have any equipment at home, so I am talking about planet fitness. They have a very small area for free weights and most of it is machines. The squat rack, I don't really know what you call it, but it glides up and down. Okay, that's a Smith machine, so that's very different from a squat rack. A squat rack is where you would rack a barbell, and then you can un-rack the barbell and it's free. And the free weight barbell exercises that we recommend, like a barbell squat or an overhead press, for example, you can't really do those on a Smith machine. It's actually a different exercise. So I

Starting point is 00:56:42 would stick to split stance exercises, like Bulgarian split stance squats or lunges in replace of barbell squats because you don't have access to something to allow you to do a barbell squat. Now, if you want to learn how to use a Smith machine because there are other exercises you can use it for, I don't think it's super valuable, but you could definitely find value with it. With any piece of equipment, if it's something you're uncomfortable with, go way lighter than you can handle and just practice the movement until you get comfortable

Starting point is 00:57:14 using it. Remember, strength training is a skill. All the exercises are skills. And so like learning any skill, you would not go hard if you didn't know the skill or weren't comfortable with it. So just go real easy, practice the movements, practice the machine or whatever you're trying to learn. And then that's how you're gonna build confidence.

Starting point is 00:57:35 But as far as the barbell exercises are concerned, I'm pretty sure you can do all the upper body barbell exercises, you know, planet fitness probably has a bench press and you can do barbell rows. And I don't know if they'll allow you to do you know, planet fitness probably has a bench press, you can do barbell rows, and I don't know if they'll allow you to do deadlifts at planet fitness. I've heard that they don't allow them in some places do, so I'm not quite sure.

Starting point is 00:57:52 But like a barbell squat, you're not gonna be able to do that there. So in that case, I would go, like walking lunges or bulgurian split stance squats. I mean, I have some suggestions. Okay. Suggestion one is we can send you over map symmetry, which is our unilateral program.

Starting point is 00:58:08 So everything is what's sourcing, split stance, one arm, one leg, so that's all dumbbell work, right? And just skip out on the barbell side and just run the unilateral piece. So that's option one, if we're gonna stay it, planet fitness, and we're gonna avoid the barbell work. Now, personally, if you were my client, I would love to get you into the barbell stuff.

Starting point is 00:58:28 And what I could do is say, hey, save the money on the personal trainer, go get yourself a barbell in about, you know, a hundred pounds worth of weights, meaning rubber plates, and video yourself, I'll put you in the form for free, and take videos of yourself using very lightweight, doing squats and deadlifts in your garage

Starting point is 00:58:46 Where you're not by anybody else since you're not worried about being embarrassed about your form and technique Let us watch you and give you help on and cue you and teach you virtually how to do a squat and a deadlift better That one would save the money to save any sort of a bear embarrassment or risk or what you might have to do by asking Planet fitness people if you can or cannot do something and Allow it just because there's so much value in learning how to barbell deadlift squat and overhead press I would you know encourage you to do that and let me try and help you as best I can virtually So that's what I would like to do that and let me try and help you as best I can virtually. So that's what I would like to do. But either one of those are okay options. If you don't want to do the barbell at home and have us

Starting point is 00:59:30 virtually help you, then you know, we could send you over a map symmetry and you could follow the. Jenna, is there a gem that you have as an alternative that would have the actual rack that you could use and do free weight barbell exercises? And if so, what's the cost difference? There is. It's a little bit farther and it's great. It's huge. They have an Olympic room. It's just ginormous. It's like $10 a month at planet fitness and the other places probably around 40 a month. You know, I would definitely be willing to put in, you do have symmetry I should tell you I'm sorry. I should have told you that I When I modified and I just did dumbbells. I noticed how off everything was and so I did symmetry And it just makes sense for me to do the barbells because I and I could be wrong

Starting point is 01:00:40 I just feel like there might be more stability With that and I wrong there. Yeah, you are. No, no, you're not wrong With barbells because it's bilateral you can lift more weight There's value in both so one isn't better than the other They're just sometimes ones are more appropriate than the other and if you're always doing one and switching to the other one We'll start to give you some great results. It's definitely beneficial if you learn the skill of barbell lifting. And so, you know, I know it's a bit more

Starting point is 01:01:08 of a financial commitment to look at that option down the street. If there's a valid trainer, if you do your research and there's somebody there that's like, you know, you feel get a good feeling from or at least shop it for a while, I would just focus on that. Like our bench squat, deadlift,

Starting point is 01:01:26 like have somebody really like break down the mechanics of that with you and just teach it to you for a month and like commit to that, learn it. So then you can apply it on your own or, you know, if, again, the conundrum is that the planet fitness doesn't really have like the setup for you as easily that way. So I don't know how that's gonna work in terms of like you doing that at home with Barbell

Starting point is 01:01:50 or you doing it over a modified version over it, Planet Fitness, but either way, I think that the skill of it itself, maybe there's another option for you down the road, a different gym that you can find, but I think the Barbell skill itself is very beneficial. The reason why I was so adamant about going that direction is because of what you said when we started this conversation, because you've got a lot of experience already doing

Starting point is 01:02:15 the dumbbell circuit training type of work, I know how beneficial the barbell work is going to be for you. If you were coming in completely green and you've never left a way, it's whatsoever, we could put you on like a map starter or a bait real basic program like that and you're you're gonna see great change in results. But if you're trying to break through a plateau or you're looking to accelerate your results. New stimulus. Yes, and you've never done barbell lifting like consistently, there's

Starting point is 01:02:40 going to be huge value and upside to what it's going to do as far as changing and shaping and sculpting your body. And so that I would really be urging you to do. It doesn't mean I can't put together a good routine that is just dumbbell work or unilateral work, and it doesn't mean we can't get in good shape doing that. It's just that you because that's not something you do, it's going to be so novel to the body. You're going to be able to load the bar down the road way more than you've ever done before, and that's going to create way more opportunity for change. Yeah, look, it's, if you go to that other gym, you're going to have access to exercises that are just so valuable.

Starting point is 01:03:19 They're just so effective. They're incredibly effective. The most effective, strengthening exercises you could possibly do. And it's another 30 bucks a month. You said it's 40 bucks, you're paying 10 now, so you're paying it to a 30. Here's what I would do. If you were my friend, I'd say do both.

Starting point is 01:03:32 Okay, so now you're paying $40 more a month. It's only 10 bucks a month at Planet Fitness. And it's not that big of a, I mean, it's not a huge difference. I don't know your financial situation, so maybe I'm speaking at a turn here, but okay, 40 bucks a month, so it's not a huge difference. I don't know your financial situation, so maybe I'm speaking at a turn here, but okay, 40 bucks a month, so it's 10 bucks a week. You have access now to both gyms, so you have the really convenient one that's closer.

Starting point is 01:03:53 So when you're not doing the barbell work, you could skip over there. And then, hey, I'm gonna go today, I'm doing the barbell work. I'll go to the gym that allows the free weight stuff, but it's just so valuable that, especially just from hearing you talk, like if you practice those exercises,

Starting point is 01:04:08 do them right, slowly get good at them, you're gonna see profound differences in your body. Just found. Justin also suggested something that I wanna circle back to, that like a lot of clients don't know they can do this. Like when you're buying or paying for a trainer, if you just go in and say, train me, they're going to put together whatever they think is best for you. But you could

Starting point is 01:04:28 go down to that gym and do what he said, which is, hey, could I hire somebody and they'll probably have like packages of training five sessions, 10 sessions, 15 sessions. That's normally how they sell them. Find one that you feel is in your budget that you're like, okay, I feel like I'm willing to invest this much on that. And say, hey, could I get five sessions with this trainer and all I want them to do is to teach me how to squat, deadlift, and over. I just want to practice those three movements with them. I want somebody who knows what they're doing and that's all I want to do with them. And they just literally, they spend the entire hour with you teaching you how to do those movements for those five hours, those five sessions, you're going to get tremendous do those movements for those five hours, those five sessions,

Starting point is 01:05:05 you're gonna get tremendous benefit from that, tremendous benefit. So you can do that. So, you know, and just, until you find someone, and I tell you what, if there's a gym that has a Olympic set up, there's probably some good coaches. That's probably some great training.

Starting point is 01:05:18 Yeah, that can teach you Olympic type move. If you can teach Olympic movements, you can teach a barbell squat. They're manager will probably point you in a good direction at that point. That's a good point. Good point. Go straight to that.

Starting point is 01:05:29 When you get into that gym, say, can I speak to the manager and then tell them specifically what you're looking for, and then they'll put you with the right coach and trainer. Okay. Okay. Great. So, my second question, maybe it's just a concern, is about FitBits. So I'm currently wearing a CGM, and so I have it on for about three months, and so I wear my FitBit for the three months. Well, if I'm working out at the gym or at home or whatever, but I don't get those 10,000 steps, 12,000 steps.

Starting point is 01:06:08 I mean, is it really that big of a deal? I mean, I'm a mom of three. I'm running around a lot, but those steps don't add up. And I remember you guys on an episode talked about if you are a type of person who gets a little bit caught up in getting those steps in, it's not, maybe it's not the best idea, but I feel like it's almost a half to with the CGMs just so I can be very precise. So is it just like a thing to get those 10,000 steps in, or just not really matter, especially if you're getting exercise in other places.

Starting point is 01:06:48 Yeah, no, there's nothing magical about 10,000 steps. It's kind of a general role that people give or that we'll talk about. Just because most people are pretty sedentary, or we don't get up and move a lot, and it's an easier way actually to coach somebody to move more. Instead of me saying, hey, go get on the treadmill for 30 minutes and run, or do it. and it's an easier way actually to coach somebody to move more. Instead of me saying, hey, go get on the treadmill for 30 minutes and run or do it. It's like, I could just tell clients,

Starting point is 01:07:10 hey, shoot for 8,000 steps a day. It's an easy target, but you just gotta keep in mind that there is a big difference between a day and let's forget if you worked out or not, a day that you moved for 10 or 12,000 steps and a day that you moved for 3,000 steps, that will make a huge difference in the amount of calories that you probably should consume. That many different, that difference of 5 to 7,000 steps in a day is a pretty significant difference in calorie output and intake.

Starting point is 01:07:37 Jenna, when you miss the steps, what number do you typically hit at? Sometimes, um, better question to be, what's your lowest day and what your highest day look like? What number do you typically hit at? Sometimes. Better question to been, what's your lowest day and what your highest day look like? Oh my gosh, okay, we're gonna be completely honest here. I love it. It's probably three and my highest day was 19 and that was within one week.

Starting point is 01:08:00 Okay, so your average, just average it out is what I would do. And also, when it comes to steps, people think this is silly, but the way that you hit those steps is, the, we used to call stupid advice back in the day, park down the street instead of next to the store, take the stairs instead of the elevator, stand up and do something instead of sitting down

Starting point is 01:08:24 and doing something instead of sitting down and doing something. Those little things throughout the day add up to like 3,000 steps a day. But if you miss here and there's not that big of a deal, it really isn't. The strength training is more important. That lasts, that sticks around with you. The steps every day doesn't make that huge of a difference if you miss now and again. Just trying to prompt you to be more active for the most part.

Starting point is 01:08:46 So just to be consistently active and moving around and just conscious of when you're sitting down, when you're relaxing, when you're kind of in those tendencies of like, Veggie not on TV or whatever to get up, move around and do that. To me, that's the most important thing is just the awareness around it, right? So over my career, what I've recognized with most of my clients that track their steps,

Starting point is 01:09:10 and this is myself included, on the days that I move the least, I also tend to have the worst eating behaviors. Yep. Because I'm sedentary, I'm probably watching TV, or I'm tired, I don't feel like moving around, I also tend to make bad food choices. The days that I'm active and I'm moving around, I'm so busy, I'm not making bad food choices, plus I'm burning like crazy.

Starting point is 01:09:31 So to me, that's the big takeaway here. It's like, just be aware of that. Be aware of that. Hey, it's the day where I didn't really move much. Man, this is the day I probably need to be a little bit tighter on my choices and be really good about what I choose to eat on the day. That's not the day I decide to add the extra,

Starting point is 01:09:44 you know, the glass of wine or snack on the crackers a little bit here. Like, those are the days I want to be really tight with my stuff. So, to me, that's the most important thing is when you have a discrepancy of, you could have a day of 3,000 steps and you could have a day of 19,000 steps,

Starting point is 01:09:59 it's also be aware of your eating patterns and behaviors on those days and learn to be mindful of that. Okay, okay. Well, thanks you guys so much. I really appreciate it. You got it, Jenna. We'll put you in the forum too. So if you want to show us your form, we can help you out.

Starting point is 01:10:14 Yes, stay in touch. All right. Thank you. Thank you. You know, two things come to mind with this particular question. One is, I don't know if you guys have done this. I know you have for sure Adam, where you track your steps, and then you do the like,

Starting point is 01:10:27 I'm going to park at the end of the parking lot. I'm going to walk to the far bathroom. I'm going to take the stairs. It's like three to four thousand steps a day. Oh, yeah, it's good. It's so much of that. So all these little things add up, you know, the second thing that really comes to mind is, and I really hate the gym industry for this. And I was a part of this. I remember when this started happening. We have conditioned people to think that the value of a gym is so low that $10 a month or $20 a month difference is like, oh, that gym's so much more expensive. I guarantee you, like I don't know Jenna, okay? But I bet you she spends more than that on coffee

Starting point is 01:11:02 or random things. Everybody does. So, you know, look at a gym at 40 bucks a month. Wow, that's so expensive, because we've conditioned ourselves to think 10 dollars a month or so. It's ridiculous. I think it's less about the dollar amount.

Starting point is 01:11:12 We still just look at gyms as a luxury and not as like a necessity. We don't look at it like our PG&E bill. We don't look at it like our cell phone bill. We don't look at like our insurance to our car payment. We look at it as, oh, it's a nice to have. When in reality, it should be, we, I think all of us would love to see is that people condition themselves to look at their gym bill, just like they do their PG&E, just like they do

Starting point is 01:11:33 their insurance. It's like, this is something that is going to keep me a healthy, fit, strong person for rest of my life. It's no longer a luxury to have it. It's a must-have. And then I think that changing that mindset. Yeah, and it's not just about checking into the gym, right? Like that tends to be the thought process.

Starting point is 01:11:50 Like I have a gym member, so I made it today to the gym. What are you doing the gym? How effective is the gym? Like what, how's your setup? What's your programming look like? All that stuff, like if you could apply that in a better place for just like $30 more, like it's a no-brainer to where you're gonna get like results.

Starting point is 01:12:05 Like that's what I'm in there to do is to get results. Name one thing that you could spend $40 a month on. That's $10 a week. Name one thing you could spend that on that you use, that will give you as much value for your entire life as a well-used gym. You know what? Along those lines too, what Justin suggested is,

Starting point is 01:12:24 I don't think we say this enough on this podcast and probably because we didn't do it a lot. Like I wish I wish I never trying to client wants in my life that came to me and asked for this. Although I would if they did right they're paying me. So I would give them what they want when it comes. If they said listen all I want you to do in these five sessions is teach me squat bench overhead press. That's all I want to practice. I want to be good at those movements. Yeah. Can you do that in five hours? I mean, I will go, yeah, I could do that, but nobody ever asked that. And there's so much value in just doing that. Forget the whole, I want to lose 15 pounds

Starting point is 01:12:58 or I want to get like just those movements are so valuable to learn how to do. And she's very normal. She's that she is the normal. Like most people are very intimidated. Hey, I was intimidated as a trainer. The reason why I didn't deadlift for so many years is because even as a trainer, I was scared to do it wrong. So I know if I feel that way as a fucking trainer, I read the books, I have this person.

Starting point is 01:13:19 I have this person is yeah. Your average person is the same way. So I get it, I totally get it. And you are actually normal to be intimidated to do a squat and deadlift. But don't let that stop you from learning. And one of the best things you can do is go, Hey, you know, every once in a while, I go get myself some jewelry or go to a concert and I spend 500 bucks. So if you go spend 500 bucks every once in a while on yourself and something, you know, it goes spend that on investing and getting a coach and tell them this is what you want from it

Starting point is 01:13:45 And I promise that the return on that is gonna be insane for the rest of your life Next caller is Olivia from Pennsylvania Olivia. What's happening? How can we help you? I'm good. How are you guys? Good. I'm so excited. Oh my gosh. Okay. So my question I've read I'm just gonna read it. I'm paying attention, but I ran at RGB symmetry and a ball like again, and then I'm in the middle of a set it again.

Starting point is 01:14:14 And I track all my workouts and I've noticed that my squat, my deadlift, my rows and my overhead press have all they gone up since the last time I ran a set it, but my bench, like my barbell bench has probably gotten worse. But after I ran symmetry, my dumbbell bench went up, but my barbell bench still kind of sucks. And so I was wondering if you guys could help me with that. And then additionally, I feel like all my newbie games are like pretty maxed out. And I'm left with like, I have a pretty good upper body,

Starting point is 01:14:45 but my lower body is like nothing special. So since I've like ran all your programs that I have, I'm like not really sure where to go from here. Okay, first off, how long have you been working out for? Now consistently. I've been lifting for like two years. Okay, and you followed our programs. So all those ones you listed would be like a nine months to a year

Starting point is 01:15:05 So for a decent chunk of that time you've been running ours What are your what are your big lifts at now? What is your squat your deadlift your overhead press? When I was in phase one of aesthetic recently I was doing like I Deadlifted like 185 I squatted I think 165 for like three reps each and then It's good way over at press. I'm doing like Just the barbell really because that's hard and then my rows are like I think I was doing like 90 Okay, those are all really good. Yeah, I'll put your body with that 20 years old. Yeah, you're tiny too You're young. How what's your body? Yeah, I'm like 130 pounds. Yeah, you're kicking ass. Yeah, what's your body weight at? 20 years old. Yeah, you're tiny too. You're young. What's your body?

Starting point is 01:15:45 Yeah, I'm like 130 pounds. Yeah, you're kicking ass. Yeah, you are. You're doing really, really good. Are you like really leaned? Have you gone into a bulk? Have you tried bumping your calories? I mean, I've tried, but I get scared,

Starting point is 01:15:59 and then I don't fully commit to it. There's the problem. Yeah, there's our hiccup now. You've got all your newbie gains from keeping your calories at maintenance, I don't fully commit to it. There's the problem. Yeah, there's our, there's our hiccup. Very common. You've got all your newbie gains from kind of keeping your calories at maintenance or at even maybe a deficit sometimes. And now you're maxed. Now it's like if you want to continue to build more muscle, you're going to have to

Starting point is 01:16:15 put a feed it. Yeah, give it a calorie surplus. Just remember this, what's really cool, when you, when you do that and you do it the right way by eating good, making good choices, adding protein, and you follow the program, even if the scale went up something which would probably scare the shit out of you 15 pounds, which is crazy probably for your size. Even if it goes out of that, a good chunk of that is going to be primarily muscle and you can always cut the calories back down. And when you do, I promise you're going to shred back out. It's just getting over that mind fuck of, oh my God, my pants are fitting tighter.

Starting point is 01:16:47 Oh my God, I'm putting weight on. If you are training consistently, you're following a mass program, and the extra calories you're eating are coming from good places, I promise you, most of that weight is good weight, and it's gonna serve you really well when you come back into a cup.

Starting point is 01:17:02 You wrote in your question that you wanna be a muscle mommy. Is that legit what you want? You want new term here? Yeah, you really want that? Yeah, I mean, I like, I used to be like bigger like I was chubbier and then I got like, now I'm like small

Starting point is 01:17:15 and you know, body just more and feel like you're never happy. So now that I'm so small, I'm like, I wanna be huge, you know? Yeah. Okay, so I like it. I love it. All right, so how has your body weight changed since you've started lifting? Has it changed at all?

Starting point is 01:17:29 Yeah, I was like 160 at my heaviest, which is when I started it, now I'm like 130. Wow. Do you know what your body fat percentage is? My chance? I have no idea. It's probably like, I mean, if I'm just comparing myself like pictures, like low 20s. You're kicking ass. You need to bump your calories.

Starting point is 01:17:46 So look, you've probably built a significant a decent amount of muscle in that period of time, which means now your caloric requirements are higher. So you're not gonna build anymore unless you increase your calories. So now you're probably, what you were eating before was enough to build, but now what you're eating is just enough

Starting point is 01:18:04 to keep what you have and not to build. So you got to go on a bulk. You mentioned body dysborphia and most of us can relate to that. So I think you should do maps power lift. I think you should focus on getting stronger. I think you should bump your calories by like 400 calories a day. Make sure you hit your body weight and protein. So if you're 130 pounds, I would aim for 120 to 130 grams of protein a day. Whatever your calories are at, bump them by 300 to 400. Follow mass power lift. Don't weigh yourself. Don't worry about your weight on the scale. Just get strong. See how strong you can get. And you are going to trip yourself out.

Starting point is 01:18:40 Yeah. Awesome. The results are good. The fact that you came from 160 down to one three, I guarantee you one, you'll never get back that you will not get up to 160 by doing it this way, by what we're talking about. And you're gonna be eating more food than you ever met in your life. It's gonna blow your mind if you can do it. And you're gonna get strong as hell.

Starting point is 01:18:57 And you're gonna be a muscle mommy. Yeah. Yeah. I did just have like, I'm a little worried because I think in my fear of like getting like fat again I was like overeating protein. I'm like 130 pounds like I said, but I'm hitting like 145 150 grams of protein a day. So like is it okay if I It in my like increasing my calories if I dropped a protein a little bit

Starting point is 01:19:20 You can keep your protein just increase your carbs or your fats, and that's not a bad amount over. It's okay. You're fine. You're totally fine. Yeah. Especially if you feel good, if you can eat that much protein, it doesn't mess up your digestion and you feel good on that, you're fine. Is that from food or protein shakes? Mostly food. Well, I used to be vegetarian. So when I found you guys, I was vegetarian, and then you guys pretty much convinced me that that was stupid, because I wasn't doing it for like the animals, you know. I was just like restrictive and whatnot. So yeah, now what's mostly from food? Olivia, how different do you feel now

Starting point is 01:19:53 that you've been lifting and eating protein and all that stuff? I mean, I'm like a totally different person. I feel very different, like I feel really good now. Awesome. So, right. Yeah, how many calories are you eating a day right now? I'm at like 2000. What? Okay, so I knew you were lifting.

Starting point is 01:20:09 Are you doing cardio? Are you doing anything else? I've recently in the past like two weeks. I'm like really trying to stop with the cardio. So I'm just walking. Okay. And what were you doing before for cardio? I was doing like the stairmaster like four or five times a week. Oh, you know what?

Starting point is 01:20:26 Just dropping the, just dropping the cardio, you're probably gonna see some strength gains. That alone. I might bump my calories a little less than what South said. Yeah, now that I know that you start calories. Yeah, go up 200 calories. Do what you're doing with the cardio, don't do it. Just do the walking and do maps power lift.

Starting point is 01:20:41 We'll send that to you if you don't have it. And then, yeah, thank you. And watch what happens. I'm gonna throw you in the form too. I wanna hear updates. So we're gonna to you if you don't have it. And then, yeah. Thank you. And watch what happens. I'm gonna throw you in the form too. I wanna hear updates. So we're gonna put you in the form and keep us posted, okay? Okay, thank you so much. All right, you got it.

Starting point is 01:20:52 You're killing it. Thanks for calling. Bye-bye. Oh my God, I love her. Yeah, I love it when we get 20 years old. Yeah, we get kids this age, because we just literally saved her from 10 years of garbage that you end up going through when you don't know what you're doing and you follow crappy advice online.

Starting point is 01:21:07 Oh, yeah. That makes me feel so. It makes me feel so good that a bunch of old, funny, deadies like us can still make a connection to somebody impacts them. Yeah, she's 20 years younger and us, right? It's really tough to make a connection to 23, 24 years younger. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:22 Almost 50 years younger for some of us. So you know, making a connection to somebody like that and even be able to shift her mindset even around the way she was eating and now training and then just, oh man, what a cool. Yeah, she's doing a great job and she's just not eating enough. Oh, dude, she,

Starting point is 01:21:38 2000 calories at her body weight is great. So she's already, I mean, she's built muscles. She's moving in the right direction. Well, that's okay. That's a good thing to say right now. Okay, she's already, I mean, she's built muscles. She's moving in the right direction. Well, that's okay. That's a good thing to say right now. Okay, she's perfect right now. Like, you don't have to do anything where you're eating a good amount of calories.

Starting point is 01:21:53 She is already really strong. She's 30 pounds lighter. She ever been. She feels better. Like, everything's going well. But, and I think that's important that people understand that. Like, when we answer questions like that,

Starting point is 01:22:02 she has a very specific goal. I want to be a muscle one. I want to build more muscle. Like,, well, then this is what we do. But this person is in a incredibly healthy, good place right now. I could get her to 26, 27. Oh, God, yes. Within a six month. Oh, yes. No problem. Sooner or not. Sooner or not. I think just her bumping right now,

Starting point is 01:22:18 it's switching to that program without any fat gain or minimal. Yes. Yes. Our next caller is Matt from Colorado. Matt, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, guys, thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. You guys.

Starting point is 01:22:32 Just like everybody else, I want to thank you guys for all the great content. You put out all the great information. It's really helped me out. And also your podcast has, by far, the best audio of any podcast I listen to. I never have any problems hearing any of you or your guests or that's not the case on most podcasts so I really appreciate that. Shout out to Doug. Thanks Doug. Let's hear it, Matt. Two questions, it kind of has two parts to it.

Starting point is 01:23:09 It's about maps 15. I really enjoy that style of training. Work's best with my schedule. I feel good on it. I really enjoy it. I've run it as written twice now. I know you guys say that shorter workouts like that with the same volume as less workouts done longer

Starting point is 01:23:29 is about the same, but I've also noticed that when collars call in and they have a lot of stress in their life, like new parents or a physical job or med school and stuff like that, math 15s kind of your go-to for people that need to kind of lighten things up a little bit. So it's just got me wondering if I can expect to get as good a progress on that kind of style of training

Starting point is 01:23:54 long-term as I would some of your other programs. Or is that kind of more of a good program style for maintaining when you have additional outside stressors. Yeah, that's a really good question. So, okay, so total volume wise, mass 15 still has less volume than many of our other programs, okay. So it would have the same amount of volume as let's say,

Starting point is 01:24:21 like a two day a week, I would say full body routine is probably what it would equate to. But like even MAP say like a two day a week, I would say full body routine is probably what it would equate to. But like even MAP's endabolic two days a week with trigger sessions has a little more volume, performance aesthetic, strong split, those have more volume. So it's still a little less volume. Now, does that mean you can't continue progressing? No, you could, I mean, I hit a PR in deadlift that I haven't been able to touch for years following that

Starting point is 01:24:45 kind of format. You could also modify it by adding volume to those days. So you could turn maps 15 into maps 30 if you wanted. Now, the main reason why we recommend it to people with like crazy schedules and stuff is the time. And then the second reason is when you compare volume to volume, I strongly believe that even if the volume is equated, it's still less stress on the body because there seems to be this cumulative stress that builds when you do a long workout that you don't necessarily

Starting point is 01:25:16 get with shorter, more frequent workouts. So like imagine this, Imagine walking for two hours. Now imagine walking for 20 minutes, but over a course of a bunch of days that comes out to two hours. Which one is probably gonna stress the body more, probably that one, two hour workout because of the cumulative kind of stress.

Starting point is 01:25:38 So even when volume and frequency is equated, and look, we've experimented with this, I've done these all day workouts where I'll do, like just so many sets in a day that I would never be able to do in a workout, but the reason what I did was I did, you know, so many sets every other hour, so I was like totally split up throughout the whole day.

Starting point is 01:25:54 And it just doesn't beat up my body, like doing it all at once. So it's, I know the studies show that it's equated. And I would say for the most part, that's true, but not necessarily, okay. But for someone someone like you if you want to continue progressing right get stronger in the exercises and I progressively overloading and then if you need to add volume if you have the time it could go you can add a set or add an exercise and now you're doing 25 or 30 minute workouts instead of 15

Starting point is 01:26:20 minute workouts you could also do stuff like this. You could throw a pull up bar in your doorway and every other day or every once in a while when you pass by it, you hop up there and you get 15, 20 reps real quick. So there's ways to add volume into your week. It doesn't make it feel like you're adding a workout in there or extending the workout double or whatever like that. Just say, hey, you know what, I'm gonna do every time

Starting point is 01:26:43 I walk by that pull up bar, I'm gonna jump up there and grab 10 pull ups or every time I get up, I'm just going to start the day with 15 to 20 push ups. There's a lot of glue or you can do like what we have. Man, like close by. Like we have in maps and a ball like trigger sessions, you could just have some bands. I got at my house, I have bands that are always attached to a doorway on a closet. And sometimes when I'm really trying to, you know, I got more time,

Starting point is 01:27:05 I'm trying to increase volume and just frequency. I'll just get over there and do two or three sets of some chest flies and some rows real quick and then move about my day. So there's a lot of ways that you can still kind of follow the format of 15 because it works so well. Because that's another thing too, it's important.

Starting point is 01:27:20 Like you mentioned that it works really well for your life. That's so important. It's working well with your schedule. You feel good doing it. And so I don't like to fuck that, it works really well for your life. That's so important. It's working well with your schedule. You feel good doing it, and so I don't like to fuck that up. So if you like that, stick with that, and then if you have an extra 10-15 minutes on certain days, go ahead and either one, add some sets like Sousaid, or just jump down and get some pushups or pullups

Starting point is 01:27:40 and add volume that way, and you'll see some strength and development come from just doing that. How's your progress been on Math 15 so far? Good, so the first time I ran through it, I saw some strength gains right now. I'm about two months into a cut, so I'm not really seeing a lot of strength gains,

Starting point is 01:28:02 or maintaining well on it. Oh, that's not bad maintaining on a cut. Are you doing the barbell version or the suspension trainer version? I did the barbell version both times. Oh, good. Excellent. And so that kind of runs into my second part of the question.

Starting point is 01:28:19 Like I said, I've run through it twice. Verde is written. And so I'm kind of looking for a little more variety. So I kind of rewrote it by adapting workouts from your other maps programs to fit that schedule. So I have like a map strong 15 and a maps performance 15. Love that.

Starting point is 01:28:37 Oh, you just gave us a great idea. Yeah, man. Okay, I'd like to do it now. Right now I'm doing a version of all the other ones. Yeah, I'm right now I'm doing kettlebell for aesthetics. So I just took the three workouts, cut them in half, and doing each of those is my six. And I kind of add a little bit to

Starting point is 01:28:52 and make them like 20 to 30 minutes each. So is that advisable? You're doing it. You're doing it totally feasible. Pro, perfect. That's perfect. I mean, this is literally like when we built these, this was the intent was doing our best that we could to build programs that really fit people's lifestyles

Starting point is 01:29:08 Recognizing that most people should after they run them a few times start to modify and adapt to their life And you're doing a perfect job of that. Yeah, and we picked those initial exercises They were you're gonna maximize your effort the most in terms of like you know move the needle almost so Yeah, as you go you've already run through all that. Like it's totally a great idea to add a bit of a variety in there from other programs. And then, you know, kind of what Adam was talking about in terms of like just having other items around your house

Starting point is 01:29:36 and like work and, you know, you just get in some reps, like just randomly throughout the day, totally enhances that by adding volume just like in a way that's not quite as structured and it's something that will like fit well with that kind of mentality. So I think you're on point. Yeah, that's something else I did recently. I just kind of started doing like a anabolic trigger session with some bands in the evening and just trying to add a little more volume. Right. You're on it, dude. Yeah, good. You're on it. You're a it, dude. Yeah, good. You're on it. You're deal, man.

Starting point is 01:30:06 Yeah, yeah. You guys have any plans to run any more match 15 style programs? We actually talked about exactly what you're doing. Yeah, that's funny, which is actually modifying every program that there's like a 15, 20 minute version of all of them. So you're kind of doing what we plan to do with this, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right on.

Starting point is 01:30:21 Love it, man. It's your workout snack. Thank you guys. All right, brother. Thank you Thanks for your time. I had a guy who used to work for me who was he was trying to get heat for whatever Reason you want to do a hundred pushups at one time and all he did was every prison and I went to prison All he did was every hour or every other hour. It wasn't always perfect He would just get down the floor. Yeah, and do 20 push-ups. And he could do 15 to 20 easily.

Starting point is 01:30:46 It wasn't like a workout. And he got to 100 push-ups, so he never practiced. Quick, 100 push-ups. Yeah. He never practiced doing 100. He just did that all day long. Yeah. It really is different.

Starting point is 01:30:56 I mean, he's a whole nother monster man. It's a whole nother monster, and it doesn't beat you up the same. So I know that we talk about the equating the volume, but there's more to it. I wish I understood that as a young trainer, like the value of like the little stuff like that, you know, as a young kid, I just looked at that and went like, oh, that's worse.

Starting point is 01:31:12 I'm not sweating, I'm not burning, I'm not so warm. So it's not such a stupid way to look at it. And it's like, you had a suspension trainer hang it from a tree or somewhere in your house, put the rubber bands up, somewhere like that, and get in the habit of just when you walk by taking one set of it. You do that and you're consistent with doing so like that, you will see a huge difference. You will.

Starting point is 01:31:31 Our next caller is Samantha from Connecticut. Hi Samantha. How can we help you? Hi. Nice to meet you guys. Hello. Hello. Nice to meet you too.

Starting point is 01:31:40 So just a little context for my question is, so I basically was working with a coach about a year and a half ago and she was having me do, she wanted me to lose, I'm about 30% body fat, so she wanted me to do a lot of cardio to get that down. And I knew that wasn't right because I know strength training is the best thing to do. However, for a little bit I'm like, let's just trust the process. So that's what I was doing and the scale wasn't, it was moving a little, but on days where it would, or weeks when it would plateau, she would say, well, you know, how many calories are you burning? And I'm like, well, my watch said like 300. And she's like, nope, that's not enough. You need to be doing 500. And so I guess that I kind of had that mentality

Starting point is 01:32:26 in my mind since then of like, oh, okay, I don't know what more I have to do cardio wise to get there, but like, okay, so long story short, that didn't work out, I didn't feel like she was a right fit for me. So now here I am working on my own. I'm doing just strength training, I kind of split it up with push pull leg days.

Starting point is 01:32:45 But I guess that thing is still on my mind where I'll do a great workout. I'll do strength training. I feel like I gave it my all. You know I'm going up and wait. But I look at my watch when I'm done and the calories say like 200 or like 98. And I'm like, what like it makes me second guess like am I doing the right thing? Am I doing enough? Are these things just not accurate? So I guess that's kind of my question is about that. The answer is you hired a terrible trainer. That's the, I'm not serious.

Starting point is 01:33:14 Like this, this means matters nothing. I would not want you to give a shit about one day your leg session was 350 calories. Another day it was 200 calories. Another day it was five, I don't even care. You know what Matt? I mean it's good to move because it's good for you but the calorie burn model of all of this is terrible game. It's false. In fact a huge study just came out.

Starting point is 01:33:36 Huge study just can it's making waves right now and it shows that the the amount of movement that we do doesn't really change the amount of calories that we burn because the body actually adapts quite quickly. And that is supports studies that were done on modern hunter gathers were so active in comparison to Western couch potatoes who still don't burn. That many more calories. The body simply adapts when you're just burning calories. Now if you kind of do a sideways approach

Starting point is 01:34:04 and say, okay, well, I'm telling my body it needs muscle, the result of which is a faster metabolism, the result of which is burning more calories, well, then you can significantly impact that. So don't worry too much about calories burned. It's good to be active. So move, it's healthy for you to move. That's a fact. But in terms of how many calories you're burning because of movement, don't even worry about that. Just worry about strength, building muscle, am I eating enough protein?

Starting point is 01:34:31 Am I eating it away that's supporting all of that? And then start to look at calories and how to manipulate that. And then you'll get there, and not only will you get there, but you'll do it in a sustainable way. Also keep in mind this, so this is what a good trainer should communicate to you.

Starting point is 01:34:44 You could run on a treadmill as hard as you can for an hour and say you burn 500 calories. But as soon as you get done on that treadmill, your body is now done burning extra calories. Maybe for the next 30 minutes, the heart rate comes down, so it would make the case for. So after that, you're not getting any extra benefit from that 500 calorie burden that when you strain train and only burn 200 to 550 calories in your leg workout, you not only burn that 250 calories, but then for the next like 48 to 72 hours, your body is having to utilize more energy to repair the muscle damage and then in addition to that

Starting point is 01:35:14 adapt and build muscle. And the amount of calories that takes up is far more than what the calorie burn in that one hour is. In addition to the extra benefit that Sal said, you also now add more muscle, which then requires more calories to sustain on your body, which means you sped up your metabolism. So when you lift weights,

Starting point is 01:35:34 you're getting like this three-pronged benefit from it. When you run on the treadmill, you get that one benefit while you run, that's it. It's over. So far better for you to focus on building muscle, getting stronger, don't worry about the arbitrary numbers of 200 to 300 or 500 in a calorie burn. Eat your protein and take,

Starting point is 01:35:53 make sure you're hitting what you need to hit on a regular basis, try and get strong in the gym. Nothing is gonna lean you out better than doing that. You're investing in the long term, you're not just spending your money right now to get quick results. So, building muscle is going to take you so much further and just keeping that mentality and just focused on that. What kind of gym was it, the trainer from?

Starting point is 01:36:17 So, I actually went to high school with her. So, she wasn't technically in a gym. But, the only reason why I felt good about it at the time was I was like, oh, I know this person. Yeah. She looks strong. Yeah. Sorry.

Starting point is 01:36:30 I didn't mean to insult your friend. No, no, okay. Look, just to kind of hammer this home, okay, think of it this way. If we just burn more calories, the more that we moved, we wouldn't be here as a species. I mean, think about 100,000 years ago, 50,000 years ago, having to hunt and gather, and you can't just sit around and watch TV or whatever, and you're moving all the time. And calories are really hard to come by in nature before the agricultural revolution, where we figured out how to plant things and put them in a place, and then of course,

Starting point is 01:37:01 have markets and grocery stores. Finding calories every day, that was a huge hurdle. It makes no sense if our bodies just burn tons of calories all the time because we're moving all the time and they don't adapt in a way to become more efficient. It just doesn't work. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, I did hear an episode a couple months ago of a girl who had a similar situation to me and you told her to

Starting point is 01:37:26 kind of go back up and eat at maintenance and come back down. And so, I did try to do that, but I worry maybe I wasn't at maintenance for long enough because now I'm in a cut and nothing's happening. So, I'm like, I don't know if I did it wrong. Samantha, what are your calories at in a cut? So, right now, I'm using this app that kind of tells me like each week I don't know if you've ever heard of an app like this, but each week it tells you kind of like what to do So right now I'm down to about 1700

Starting point is 01:37:52 Okay, and that's your and that's your cut Yeah, and nothing's happening Not really. Yeah, I would try to go do a reverse diet build some muscle get to the point where you can cut from a higher place go do a reverse diet, build some muscle, get to the point where you can cut from a higher place and then try doing a cut. But spend a decent amount of time in the building phase. Don't jump to the cut too soon. Otherwise, you may end up in a situation where you got to bring your calories way down and then it's not a sustainable place. Don't do a cut until you start to see yourself get stronger in some of the big lifts. That's a good way to do it. Just because you've been running in a maintenance or a surplus for a couple of weeks, if you haven't done it long enough to see yourself get stronger in some of the big lifts. That's a good, a good way to do it. Like so just because you've been running in a maintenance or a surplus for a couple of weeks, if you haven't done it long enough to see your bench, your

Starting point is 01:38:30 squat, your deadlift, your, you haven't seen any of those lifts get better and you get stronger. Don't go back the other way. Yeah, until you see that. So wait till that happens and then, and then you can go the other side. You said your body fat was 30% how did you test that? So at my gym, I don't know exactly what it it's called but you hold it out in front of you and put your hands on the thing.

Starting point is 01:38:49 Yeah that's electronic. I'm like cheating. Okay I mean that's super consistent. I did have a scale but I don't think that that's accurate at all because it tells me I'm an athlete and I don't think I'm an athlete yet. So I was like I don't think that's right. Do this, do this, use strength, so strength, body weight, and circumference measurements. Okay. Use those three things, don't focus on just one, because your weight may go up, but then

Starting point is 01:39:16 you may notice on circumference measurements, things are moving like, wow, my butt grew but my waist shrink. Okay, it looks like I built muscle. Use those three things, you can use electronic impedance too. Just make sure you do it at the same time each time, same time a day, similar amount of water and food, same time during your cycle, because they can be thrown off quite a bit

Starting point is 01:39:34 by different factors. Okay, awesome. All right. It's great. Thank you guys. You got it. All right. Yeah, that big study that came out, it's so funny, right?

Starting point is 01:39:45 So people are taking it and running with it in the wrong direction. So I'm seeing all these posts now that are saying, literally, these are the idiots that like, you know, working out as toxic and, you know, fat phobia, they're saying literally, see, working out is a waste of time. Yeah, just give up.

Starting point is 01:40:02 It's like, oh God, that's not it. All of this study said, first of all exercise, even if you don't lose weight, just exercising has significant impacts, positive ones on your health, both physical and mental. So even if you don't lose a pound, just moving more is so profound in terms of improving your health. But then number two, it doesn't address

Starting point is 01:40:19 what we talk about, which is increasing lean body mass. Getting your metabolism to speed up. I know we have so much work to do still when trainers and coaches are still telling people to do stuff like this, it's crazy. And so like the fact that you are training people and you're teaching like this is like blows my mind, you know? That's very entry level thinking.

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