Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2101: Low Vs. High Rep Training, the Best Way to Work Out in a Hotel, Tips to Control Excess Snacking & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:12 and the name I just read to iTunes at MindPumpMedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address. And we'll get that shirt right out to you. You are being manipulated, become aware of the addictive properties of food, and then become aware of how scientists, food scientists maximize these properties to influence your behaviors to maximize their profits. That's right, engineered food, aka processed foods, or foods created in a laboratory are designed for one reason, to make you overeat. And yes, they're way more powerful than your discipline is.

Starting point is 00:02:50 But step one is become aware that you're becoming manipulated or that you are being manipulated. You know, that makes me think of something right now that I didn't really cross my mind until you just said this right now with this rise of lab-grown meat. And we always talk about how targeting protein, because it's satiating. I wonder if that's going to apply to these processed meat that are engineered, like to, I mean, maybe it loses those properties,

Starting point is 00:03:20 is it gonna, what do you think? So it's in their best interest that you get at a tip, just like potato chips. Listen, first off, just to strengthen or support Properties is it gonna what do you think so this so they're best interests that you get a hundred percent potato chips listen First off just to strengthen or support what you're saying like food science is a huge industry and these are scientists who all they do is figure out how to make food more and more

Starting point is 00:03:40 Irresistible, okay, so classically salt sugar and fat are the three most important ingredients when it comes to palatability, making something enjoyable. So, they understand that, but then they go to the millionth degree with everything and the combination of everything. And this is why heavily processed foods. When everything is controlled, macros are controlled, everything is controlled. Left to your own devices, you'll eat five to 600 more calories a day, just naturally because that's how powerful they are. They're just so powerful, they make you overeat,

Starting point is 00:04:10 and you don't necessarily feel like. Excites the senses. It's, they've engineered that. They've turned foods into drugs, okay? Now going to lab grown meats. First off, you have now the ability to patent meat. So with the way patents work is you can't patent something that's natural.

Starting point is 00:04:27 You can't patent a stake, okay? So beef is beef and that's that. Now why do they want to patent foods? Because patented foods can become very profitable and you can protect yourself against competition. Well, if you grow it in a lab, now the potential because it's a product. It's no longer meat, it's a meat product.

Starting point is 00:04:44 You now have the potential to patent it. And their goal, like all businesses goals, is to profit, right? Their goal is to sell more and more. So it only makes sense that they will find a way through the process of growing this meat in the lab to make it more and more irresistible. How do they do that? Well, they could probably change the marbling of the fat. They can make the muscle fibers appear a little bit different. They could increase or decrease certain fatty acids, certain nutrients, all in the for the sake of making you want to buy more of it. It's like the tastiest pieces. That's exactly where it's going to go. Now, I know they're selling it under the guys of it's better for the environment. It's not hurting animals. By the way, by the way, let me read something to you because that's all false.

Starting point is 00:05:29 That's all completely false. Why is it always, yeah, because there's always things like that when you go actually do the research of what it actually takes to produce, like in the energy sector, let's say, where things get promoted so much. But really, there's still relying on like fossil fuels to like power a lot of the engines that are actually gathering the wind or, let's say, well, hold on, hold on. So Reese, they actually have done research on this. So researchers at UC Davis are warning their major environmental

Starting point is 00:06:01 downsides to lab-grown meat. So they're trying to sell lab-grown meat and say it's better for the environment. Why? Because it's not a farting cow, I guess the farts of the cows or whatever, but also remember cows eat grass. They do things for the environment that are very positive. But anyway, here's the analysis from UC Davis. Lab-grown meat industry produces ready for this

Starting point is 00:06:21 up to 25 times more CO2 than traditional animal husband dream. More, which nullifies the core ideological foundation, upon which the industry is built. So each kilo of cultured meat produces anywhere from 542 to 3,300 pounds of carbon dioxide emissions. So that's again, 4 to 25 times greater than that of conventional beef. By the way, cultured meat is the term that they're using. Flabroom cultured. So the, the argument that they would try and say is that, well, of course, Sal, that's because this is all new technology and we over time we will find it. We will refine it and get it down to where it's significantly

Starting point is 00:07:03 better. Okay. That, Okay, that's the goal. I don't think it is, but let's say it, because I know what the goal is, the goal is, can we patent meat and can we sell it as a meat product? Because that'll allow you to do it. But fine, that's your goal. Don't sell it as such now. Right. Okay, because it's not happening now.

Starting point is 00:07:18 It's not happening now. By the way, the other argument that, oh, it's not hurting animals. It's not hurting animals, right? At present. So this is what's happening right now. Most cultured meat companies use fetal bovine serum as the growth medium, which is obtained from unborn calves that are cut out of the womb and drained of their blood while still alive. Okay. So this this the whole

Starting point is 00:07:52 premise is gonna get meat from meat. The whole premise of it's not hurting animals and it's better for the environment is not just Incorrect. It's the opposite of correct. It's totally wrong and If we go in that direction and allow the market to move in that direction Um, we're actually going to be eating. As of right now, natural meat is one of the most satiating, best quote unquote, diet foods you can have. It's super nutrient dense. It's hard to overeat meat, very hard to overeat meat because it's so high in protein. Carnivore diet will show you this. I try to overeat on a carnivore, it's impossible, right? It's very hard. But they'll find a way to make meat and a lab that is like processed food. And then they'll pass.

Starting point is 00:08:29 It's just like psychological games, right? Like, so if it looks less like something that came directly from the animal, like, let's say like a hot dog, right? Like people look at a hot dog, it's just like, it's just meat, you know, like, you don't have to associate that immediately with like a pig. That's a great point. What are you more likely to overeat hot dogs or pork?

Starting point is 00:08:52 Just a pork loin. It's a pork loin. That's right, yeah. That's right. And the health negatives that they find with meat and studies are because they don't control for processed meat. So they just throw it all in there.

Starting point is 00:09:02 Oh, it's meat, but it's actually salami and baloney and all the stuff. Just all ground up everything. Right. Now, if you care about the environment and you care about animals, first off, don't go through lab lab ground meat. I just told you the stats and the facts, but go with companies that are that that source from animals that are raised traditionally, that are grass fed, fish, that's wild caught. So you can care of butcher box is a company we work with that does that. And because butcher box eliminates the middlemen,

Starting point is 00:09:33 the price of the meat is comparable to the cheap conventional grown stuff that you get at the grocery store. So you get a box of meat, grass fed, wild caught, healthier, better fatty acid. We've talked about this before. You're not gonna overeat it. It's all natural,

Starting point is 00:09:48 but also better for the environment, better for the animals. And that's definitely by far the best direction you can go right now. And unless they invent something, but they're not going to, we know what the goal is. I have been waiting for the next butcher box commercial. It's been eating away at me to hold this in for a week.

Starting point is 00:10:05 Like this damn commercial comes like it told us, holy shit, I had their breakfast, country potato, skillet mix, so bomb. Hey, now comes cooked, you just warm it up. It comes in a, in a fruit, like a frozen bag, you just dump it out into your iron skillet, heat it up. We throw some eggs in there and mix it up and Katrina wrapped it as a burrito, breakfast burrito for me.

Starting point is 00:10:29 It was the best breakfast burrito I've ever had. Really? Just in the bag and it's all ready. Yeah, maybe you chopped up and... Maybe duck and pull a picture up. I don't know if you've... So you've done the add-ons, right? If you go to your box, you do it as an adult.

Starting point is 00:10:38 You asked that last time about me. Because I'm going to do it right now when we go through it. I'm not the one who orders my wife to. I know, I know. I get more creative with the one. She's just good about, you know, cycling through new things now and trying different stuff out.

Starting point is 00:10:50 And she didn't even tell me. So I didn't know. She's just like, oh, I wanna make you these breakfast pre-dozed. Right? And she didn't even tell me. She just did it. Is that under Adon's Doug?

Starting point is 00:11:00 Like if I go to my box, is that what you gotta do for it? Especially foods, I don't know. Must be Adon's, yes. Okay, all right. And the to do for it? Uh, specialty foods, I don't know, must be add-on. Okay, all right. And the macros on this thing are, I think, pretty solitude. 19 grams of protein, 310 calories. What are carbs and fats?

Starting point is 00:11:14 23 grams, carbs and 15 grams fat. Oh, so it's like a, it's like a, you know, kind of a balanced out. Dude, with 19 grams of protein already, you add two or three eggs and nothing, and you got an awesome high protein. And then eat a side of like sauteed spinach or something. Oh, wow. Dude. Good way to start today. Well, they're chicken nuggets that we've talked about a million times. They're gluten free ones. Oh, yeah. There is not exactly. No, they are really not exactly. Okay. It's the best. It's the best chicken nuggets that you eat at

Starting point is 00:11:42 your house that I've ever had in my entire life. And I've had a lot of chicken nuggets. I have four kids. I've had a lot of chicken nuggets. It's the best. There is nothing that comes close to the point where we got them originally for my two-year-old. And who do you think is eating them now? My wife and I. Yeah, it's like they are that good. We would have lunch if you have those nuggets. I mean, that's not to leave that to you. I believe for a only way not the staple right now. staple lunch. That's what he eats almost every single day. He loves it so much. I got to tell you guys, but to speaking to kids, my little baby daughter,

Starting point is 00:12:14 she's too young for this, but she's already figured out that she can like a puppet, like just pull the strings with me. It's so funny. She's so adorable. But what's happening? I have two daughters, right? And little girls just to have this power over dads, I don't, you know, whatever people could say,

Starting point is 00:12:31 whatever is true. If you're a dad and you got a boy and a girl or, you know, kids, multiple kids, you know, you're just your daughter, just they can do that for whatever reason. I think little boys do that with their moms too, by the way. They do. Yeah, so anyway, you know, I'll take over at night sometimes and feed her so my wife can get a break. And last night I'm doing that, right?

Starting point is 00:12:50 So she wakes up and she's going through a leap. So you can actually, this is really cool. I think you showed me this a long time. Yeah. Yeah, you can go on. These things are so, for us, it's been very weird. It's been very accurate for us. It's really not to cut your story off, but business you brought us today.

Starting point is 00:13:04 So the day. Katrina and I noticed, like Max was kind of off this week. Just as he went through a leap. He is kind of fussy, this, that, and we actually, he's getting so old we don't even use that. And she's like, you know what, let me pull that up, just to kind of see where we're at. And she's like, son of a bitch, and it was like exactly what he was acting out and doing.

Starting point is 00:13:19 It was like, those things are pretty, for us, they've been, I know some people were like, oh, my son's not liked that, but it's been spot on, bro. Super spot on with Aralius and now with Dawson. Let's see, yeah, because every time we talk about the rap. I don't remember. Oh, shit, I'm so bad at mad you asked me that.

Starting point is 00:13:31 I'll, why we're talking, I'll text a treat us so we can get, cause I know we're gonna get bomb barbed. Yeah, every time we bring it up, I get bomb barbed. So what Leaps are is children, babies don't go through, they don't grow, like, their brain doesn't develop linearly, right? They go through periods of plateau and then like explosions of,

Starting point is 00:13:46 this is why when you have kids, they do this physically too. Like they look the same and all of a sudden, like seems like overnight. It's like a huge change. Yeah, like, oh, they grew it's like two inches in a month. Like what happened? Or they're talking, talking, talking.

Starting point is 00:13:57 And then like in a week, their language skills like explodes. So I could just say, so this happens with babies. And so like, Dahlia, her leap, you could see it right away. Now all of a sudden, she's rolling over back and forth really easily or whatever. That was a leap, right?

Starting point is 00:14:10 The brain, so anyway, when it happens, they just, they're demorable. They don't sleep as well. It's hard to put them down. So I'm with her last night and she's going through a leap. I, you know, she wakes up, I feed her. And then when she's not going through a leap, it's easy. You feed her. She's like, mealtrunk and you just put her down. She goes, sleep. Well, right now, I feed her, and then when she's not going through, relief, it's easy, you feed her.

Starting point is 00:14:25 She's like, mealtrunk, and you just put her down, she goes, sleep, well right now when I do that, I got to rock her, I got to do the whole thing or whatever. So it's like 2 a.m. I'm tired, because Jessica and I yesterday went out on a date night, had some wine, so I'm like, I'm 2 a.m. I'm like, oh, I don't feel good, you know? I'm feeding her, trying to put her down, she's fussy, I pick her up, she starts to drift off, put her down, she wakes up again, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:14:45 oh God, is this gonna be like a 45 minute, like we're deal at 2 a.m., you know? So I'm doing this. Finally, I put her up, because I'm like, maybe I need to burp her again, you know? So I'm like, patting on her. And I, you know, I get, under my breath, I'm like, oh, God, I'm so tired.

Starting point is 00:15:00 Oh, come on, just go to sleep. Like, you know you want to sleep? Just go to sleep, right? And I look over, because she's on my shoulder, and she turns just go to sleep. Like, you know you want to sleep? Just go to sleep, right? And I look over because she's on my shoulder and she turns her head to look at me and she just big old smile. Like, hi, I'm happy. I'm here and I'm like, you look shit.

Starting point is 00:15:12 You know exactly what you're doing right now, too. So I like play with her for a second, which is not a good idea. Can I kept her up even longer? But anyway, she knows, man. We, I should find out if other people can buy this or not, I know the Ramsey group sent it over for us to be able to watch it on a replay for 60 days,

Starting point is 00:15:33 but Katrina and I rewatched that Peter Sintok. She hadn't seen it, I haven't even watched it. And she's like, that was by far his best talk I've ever seen in the video. Like she loved that so much. Such a, it's such a really, the way he explained the development of a child between two to four and the role playing

Starting point is 00:15:52 and the role of the parents to bridge that gap with them being integrated into society. And so like that was just like really, really, and for us it was really good because there's actually been times, and for me I was like, oh, I felt so validated because there's been times when especially when Max was like you know to This barely turned to and I was already starting to kind of wrestle with them and pin him down sometimes a little rough Yeah, and she would get on to me is just like you need he's just a baby

Starting point is 00:16:18 You just so little you guys stop doing that. I'm like honey. I'm not not like putting all my weight on I'm crying. Yeah, I'm not making him cry I'm but I'm making him struggle. And then I watch how when he's struggling and then I let up a little bit and then I let him get on me. And so I've been doing that for a really long time. There's evolutionary reasons for the reason why.

Starting point is 00:16:35 So there's lots of studies on this. Dads and moms play differently with their children. And one is not better than the other. They're both needed. They're both very much needed. But what's happened is that in modern times, the role that the way that dad plays has gotten played down. You hear jokes about it.

Starting point is 00:16:51 Like, oh, I get the kids ready for bed and then dad riles them up right before bed. And everybody's like, don't get that. And not just that. Like, that's important. They've also, they've also replaced that with screen time. Yeah. And he talked about, and this was also really good

Starting point is 00:17:03 because again, validated my point about taking the screen from him. He's like, it's not that you can't use the screens to educate them or there's not good learning apps and things like those are all great. But what the problem is, it's replacing that. So, so in conjunction with that fine, you know, if you do, but it's not, it's not replacing it. Exactly. It's not. It's, it's, it's becoming this self-suiting tool. And then as parents, a lot of times we justify it because we're like, oh, well, he's learning his colors and not, by the way, when I say this, this is not me. That's what I mean. We put more value on things and less value on things

Starting point is 00:17:36 because we don't understand why we do them in the first place. Yes. And so, you know, you think and, and let me tell you, like, I contemplated back and forth with this when we were going through this phase of like oh well He's he's learning new words. He's doing this. There's a part of you that thinks like oh, okay, it's totally okay But then when you realize there's a fine line of it then starting to creep in to that That social interaction time with you as a father or a mother where you are wrestling with them and teaching them how to act out and play like a mother where you are wrestling with them and teaching them how to act out and play. Those are intricate pieces to them learning how to adjust in real life. They are learning crucial social skills.

Starting point is 00:18:11 The reason why we don't understand it is we just do it and we just think it's just fun. We don't realize why we do it and why it's so important. So this reminds me of you brought up Peterson and we're talking about things that we do that we don't realize why we do them So we start to devalue them because we don't understand the value of it So Jordan Peterson had Jonathan Page out. I think is how you say his name on a show you've brought him up before Okay, first of all The most I don't say this lightly intellectually stimulating a conversation. I've heard

Starting point is 00:18:42 Then I can remember that's how wow this is a podcast that I like, I get hyped while I'm listening to it, because it's so stimulating. So I recommend anybody listen to this, we'll link it, this conversation. But anyway, Jonathan Pejau is an expert on symbolism and mythology and why these things are so important. And in the beginning of that, that conversation, he talks about why stories are so important. And in the beginning of that conversation,

Starting point is 00:19:05 he talks about why stories are so powerful. And he says, we think we watch stories, and I'm not saying it the way he's saying it, but we think we watch stories because they're entertaining. Or another layer is, they teach us lessons, and they teach us about, you know, they teach us things and they mold us. And he goes, no, the reason why stories, they teach us things and they mold us and he goes no

Starting point is 00:19:32 The reason why stories there's stories that have been told over and over again in different ways or different way and the reason why there's a hero's journey and all that stuff It's because these stories reveal to us our actual our human nature this prophecy It's far deeper than just oh, it's a cool story. Oh, it's entertaining or whatever So he goes through and he talks about different classic stories and their meaning. He goes and he talks about snow white. So snow white, we all know the Disney story snow white, but that's an old story. It's been told over and over and over and different iterations.

Starting point is 00:19:57 And he breaks it down bro. I was tripping the hell out. So he says that it's basically the story of a girl coming of age and going through puberty and what that's like. And then he explains it. He goes, so she's basically the story of a girl coming of age and going through puberty and what that's like. And then he explains it, he goes, so she's in the castle, she's a little girl, then she goes out into the chaos of the wilderness,

Starting point is 00:20:12 doesn't know what's going on and gets found by a bunch of dwarfs. Those are a bunch of men that are not suitable mates. Right, right. They're all tiny and each one of them represents a unsuitable trait of a man that you would not want to have as a man. Guy that's grumpy, guy that's too goofy, too happy. It's really representing a man that has not integrated

Starting point is 00:20:40 and become the man that's a suitable man, which is why she is like the, even in that relationship, she's even the authority of them. Like she's teaching them. They're little children, they're men she's teaching them. Yeah, so it's like,

Starting point is 00:20:51 none of them are suitable, mate. All of them represent this things in men that are not really integrated. Like in the way it explains, it's like if you took all the best traits out of them and combine them, you'd have the perfect, perfect guy. And then what does she do?

Starting point is 00:21:04 She learns in traditional sense, how to become guy. And then what does she do? She learns in traditional sense how to become a woman. So what she do, she cares for them. She cooks for them, she cleans for them. She becomes like their caretaker or whatever. And then the story evolves and then what happens with her is she meets Prince Charming or whatever. I don't think it's Prince Charming. Mr. Wright, the perfect man.

Starting point is 00:21:22 And that's kind of the culmination of it. So he goes through and breaks it down. He's like, holy shit. And he goes, these stories, we don't know why they're so powerful. We just watch them. And so what happens over time is we forget the meaning and why we tell these stories to begin with. And then we just look at him as entertainment.

Starting point is 00:21:39 And then what happens is we pick him apart for stupid reasons. And we try to just get rid of this. We try to insert ideologies and beliefs and ideas new narratives out of the existing ones are counter to us that don't help us develop and evolve the way we're supposed to Because you've got other people now trying to so he's developed he created this like fairy tale company That's making that's telling these stories because he wants to compete with how stories are being told shitty now Did he start the business or is he in the process?

Starting point is 00:22:07 He started it. Oh, he already started it. Do you know the name of it? No, I don't. No, I don't. Maybe Doug can find that. Dude, he talks about this story, like one of the grim,

Starting point is 00:22:15 really the grim brothers, the fairy tale, the thing they call it, talks about how like, brothers grim, because you know how like, which one was that story? Remind me, brothers grim. Oh, they wrote a bunch of the fables, right?

Starting point is 00:22:24 Oh, oh, they were, okay, I thought they were talking about a specific movie Yeah, recently that kind of was it's pretty dark. He taught these so this is another part I'm gonna go too long on this, but it just blew my mind He talks about how you know how the queen like the evil queen in like a lot of these stories like mirror mirror on the wall Who's the fairest of them all right right? And he talks about what that mirror represents. And then he tells us, talks about in the in the brothers' grim, how this evil queen goes to this princess who's more beautiful than she is, right? And brings her a comb, brings her a mirror, and then brings her an apple. And he goes, why would you, and he's like talking about this, he goes, why would this queen who realizes you're more beautiful and hates you,

Starting point is 00:23:04 bringing things that would make you more beautiful, like a comb or a mirror, he goes, that doesn't make sense. He goes, then I realize what it was. She was trying to make the symbolism is, she's making this beautiful innocent girl self-conscious of her own beauty. Like, look at your beauty and worship yourself. And that's how she thinks about like, how Instagram is like a crazy, crazy saturation of that. Exactly where they went. It's exactly what they went.

Starting point is 00:23:33 Cause he says, what's more beautiful than a woman who's beautiful, but doesn't know it. She's just innocently beautiful. And then what happens when she becomes aware of the power of her beauty, she begins to wield it, like a weapon or use it to gain attention or because she's aware of her beauty and this is where it goes to Instagram and the phone.

Starting point is 00:23:56 You now are aware of comparing yourself to other people and you realize other people are more beautiful and that's the mirror, mirror on the wall. Who's trapped? It says there's someone more beautiful than you. How fucking crazy is the boss? It's the mirror, mirror on the wall. Who's sure? It says there's someone more beautiful than you. How fucking crazy. The boss is the black mirror.

Starting point is 00:24:08 Isn't that incredible? I mean, somebody with that kind of, you know, expertise in like symbolism. I'm trying to get them on the show. I would say how fun and just like, I like him. Have him break down all those great stories. Yeah. I mean, it reminds me a little bit of the

Starting point is 00:24:20 Dan Brown series and all that where they go through symbolism of all of the different like, I mean subgroups like and also like, you know, Druids and like like like, like secret societies and like, I was like really into that kind of stuff, but it's weird how you see a lot of these symbols and depictions of things in the structures of cities and you see them on monuments and you wouldn't even know to look for them unless you're looking for them. We take it for granted because it's been around

Starting point is 00:24:51 for so long. We're telling a story and it's made us who we are and then we take it for granted because we're never taught the meaning of them. So it's very easy. It's like what's that saying? Like never tear down a fence unless you know why it's up in the first place.

Starting point is 00:25:03 Yeah. We don't know why we have all these fences. We just tear them down. Like, oh, that's stupid. Just tear it down. It's like, that was up there for thousands of years for a reason. And unless we realize why we're going to end up hurting ourselves. Yeah, there was one part where they were talking about social media in relation to like what the mirror means in these stories. And Jordan Peterson says that these, they that they're extremely powerful because they're constantly giving us what we want, what we want.

Starting point is 00:25:29 And then Jonathan says, no, he goes, it's darker than that. It gives you what you hate, it gives you what you fear. It does all, because all you want is to grip your attention. All it wants is your attention. And it's literally like the story of Narcissus who he drowns in the reflective pool because he constantly looks at himself and looking into. He killed himself.

Starting point is 00:25:48 So it's crazy about this to me is we have all this new stuff, technology, and we all think it's all new. Nothing's new. It's all human behavior. It's all there. It's a different form. Yes. Yeah. Yes.

Starting point is 00:25:59 It's been told over and over and over. And then we just, yeah, we've got it. And we forget. Yeah. So are, do you have a optimistic or pessimistic view on how this unfolds in the next few decades? I, the, the optimistic side of me wants to believe that historically, we're pretty,

Starting point is 00:26:17 we're, we're, we're, we're stupid in many ways, but then we're smart enough to, after we've watched enough of us, you know, die a certain way or get hurt a certain way, we started going like, oh, that's not safe. So let's not do that. So do you think that it just feels really pessimistic right now because we're in the heart of the like growth of it and the evolution of it?

Starting point is 00:26:38 And we will turn a corner where more and more people are having this conversation and we start to look at it as like, hey, this is not like something where we're necessarily demonizing, just beware of the traps. So yeah, I wanna be, but it just feels so easily, like it's so fragmented now to where people have gotten so entrenched in having to prove their belief system

Starting point is 00:27:02 and to like really like foster that belief system specifically exclusively to where there's no real unifying one. Like let's say like there was an event like there's event that happened that like 9.11 or something like that everybody rise we kind of come together. Oh we're America. Oh I hear what you're saying.

Starting point is 00:27:22 There just isn't that kind of. We're all going in different directions. We're all going in different directions completely. Yeah, you know, so you know, he kind of talks about some of this and he says here's the here's the problem. Here's where I'll be optimistic, but here's a problem. He says that theologians have been studying and talking about these problems for thousands of years, because they're human nature, but we've discarded them.

Starting point is 00:27:48 So it's like this whole segment of, call it what you will, philosophical science, or whatever you wanna call it, of human nature, that we just threw away. So it's like, imagine if like tomorrow, we got rid of science completely, and then we try to live our lives. Like nobody using the scientific method,

Starting point is 00:28:03 let's just, you know, go about our lives. We be screwed. Yeah. So what happens, we have literally culture has done this for thousands and thousands of years, in multiple cultures, a lot of them saying the same thing. This is why so many religions have similar laws and rules and ways of living, because it's all based on human nature. A lot of it is, right? We're turning away from that. So the optimistic view is we're gonna rediscover

Starting point is 00:28:26 because we're gonna start more and more become more anxious, more depressed, more sad, more, whatever, that we're gonna start to rediscover of these practices. Well, isn't that kind of what, I mean, Adam Lane Smith is an evolutionary psychologist, right? So I think that's, and I don't think that's the traditional way psychology is even in top right now,

Starting point is 00:28:43 where I think there's more, I think it's becoming more popular, right? It's not new, it's just, it's a resurgence of that because there's obviously a need to go back to thinking like, well, why did we do a lot of these things for so many centuries, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's what we turned me from,

Starting point is 00:28:57 just my own personal journey from where I was as an atheist to becoming religious was, I realized my own arrogance. So wait a minute, what do I know? These are people that have been studying these challenges and problems for thousands of years. And I think I'm smarter just because I was born in, you know, the modern times.

Starting point is 00:29:15 Like, wait a minute, like they're not stupid. Yeah, we have electricity and we have technology, but that doesn't mean we're smarter. It means we have different tools, but these people have been studying this for thousands of years. Maybe I should revisit and see what they've said and see if there's real value. Once I opened up and I was like,

Starting point is 00:29:30 oh, there's a lot of value and a lot of the stuff that they teach. So now the pessimistic side of me is like, are we gonna rediscover those practices fast enough? Before we go too fast enough. Well, that is what's hard. Yeah, because after listening to another conversation with the

Starting point is 00:29:47 ex-Google executive that was part of the whole AI development, it's just like I mean, he admits he's like, we fucked up. We weren't supposed to allow this to make it to the internet and to have like access to

Starting point is 00:30:07 to all of this information like we wanted to keep it contained so that way we could work through the bugs and the things that we so we had a better clear understanding of like its intention and like where it's going to go but he literally thinks that it's already like a sentient but he literally thinks that it's already a like a sentient, a sentient being. Like it's already aware, it's already, like he said the emotions it's probably gonna have are gonna be even more powerful than our emotions because of its own understanding

Starting point is 00:30:37 and how it can like thousand, you know, I mean, you need to pass it. Exponentially greater capacity to feel and to understand and to learn on its own. And so it's just like, it's really hard for me to see where we fit in that. So knowing what we know now and seeing how things are and fully right now, do you guys,

Starting point is 00:30:58 are you more or less on board with what I've been saying for years on this plug? I'm plugged. Oh, I mean, I think that's, I think that's gonna happen. So more than, even more than. I think we're gonna, I brought that up years ago on here

Starting point is 00:31:11 that we were gonna have a clear divide in our society of people that are plugged in and people that choose to be unplugged. I think they're gonna be the, they're gonna be like, the way we look at the omniscient now. There's gonna be like, people like that and you're gonna be like,

Starting point is 00:31:23 oh my god, you guys still, like why are you guys doing that? Look over, look at us, how advanced we are. Handcrafted made by humans, like, you know, there's that, that's, it's gonna be quaint, you know, but anybody that's not using the AI, they're gonna get left in the dust. I love that Doug put 100% human made on our podcast.

Starting point is 00:31:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause now when people share ones, I see that's 100% human made. I'm like, that's gonna, that's gonna carry some weight. Do you just want to? Yeah, I hope so. For ones I see that's a hundred percent human made I'm like that's gonna that's gonna carry some weight Do you have eyes? Yeah, I hope so for humans who want to choose right? Yeah, I saw it caught that the human a thing post net watch people that follow and do that eventually and then again The we're really close to this plugged unplugging and then I can't help but think even more so with the apple vision thing that we were Just talking about the other day like just how close we are to like that.

Starting point is 00:32:06 Can you imagine going to restaurants and in public places? Everybody has something like that. Yeah. I know. Justin, is it true? Because you're like the UF, you're the, of all of us, you're obviously the expert on UFOs. I never claimed you're the resident expert on UFOs.

Starting point is 00:32:22 I'm paying attention. My default, you're listening. Everybody calls me conspiracy theors. I'm paying attention. I'm paying attention. My default, you're listening. Everybody calls me conspiracy theorists. I'm just a pattern recognition. I pay attention. A server. That's in all of them. It's just pattern recognition.

Starting point is 00:32:33 I'm just keeping my eyes open. Listen, is it true in the UFO world that UFO sightings spiked when we started to test nuclear weapons? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, do you think, because I don't know, did you guys watch this video in Las Vegas? Did you guys watch that?

Starting point is 00:32:50 Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. And there's like all these UFO sightings, all of a sudden happening, and all like governments are coming out and saying all this stuff. This body cam from a cop catches something falling out of the sky, and then they get 9-1-1 calls from people who are like, they're these 10 foot tall like beings in my backyard next to this thing.

Starting point is 00:33:09 They're looking at us and then the cop goes and interviews him, it's all a video. Do you think they're showing up more now because of AI? Do you think that's what's happening? I mean, if you believe in aliens, like that would be a plausible thing to think about. But I just, it's hard for me to jump into that like crazy, crazy ship with everybody without thinking that the government is so much

Starting point is 00:33:32 more powerful in manipulating the masses. Uh, and in terms of like, just information, this information and just, uh, yes, siops and also, I mean, Trump's just getting pulled back into to be arrested again for some other thing. There's just so much shifting moving parts. Nobody talks about the CIA and the FBI and nobody's keeping accountability to what they're doing. It's just like, it's so weird, right?

Starting point is 00:34:02 It's just like, we talk about the government and we don't talk about FBI. We don't talk about CIA. We don't talk about like, you know, what their intentions been over the years, what they're trying to do with the organizations. People don't realize this, but they were created, they were created to operate outside of the quote unquote, restrictions.

Starting point is 00:34:21 They have no, they have full autonomy. Yeah, did you know that they the pentagon's never been audited ever? Yeah says, we don't need to be on it. Yeah, it gets shut down like right away. So it's just one big state. What makes the world stage the play on with you is when we get something like the video I had just shared with you guys, I don't remember what news station first brought the whistle blower on and talked

Starting point is 00:35:05 to all about and he starts saying all this crazy stuff about they've got, they've got space. Oh, we know, we know. Yeah, all the you up. And then three hours later, they come back and they like totally discredit him. It's like, and it almost feels like it's all intentioned just to, yeah, just to make you so that when something like the cop on the body cam happens, you just discredit. Oh, my throat ahead of it.

Starting point is 00:35:27 Yes. Like they're ahead of, okay, we might be starting to see more of these sightings or things happening. Here's a cool thing. We'll get someone who's super credible that they go ahead and they'll prove that it's bullshit. Right. And then everything's bullshit.

Starting point is 00:35:42 Yeah. Yeah. And I just feel weird that that happened. It's a possibility, right? Like I'm not like completely out of that conversation that there's aliens in the exist. Like it could be the case, but in terms of human behavior, I looked there first.

Starting point is 00:35:56 Yeah, that's true. Although I will say this when the cop was interviewing the guy and he goes, oh no, they were playing the 901 call. The guy's like, there's these nine-foot tall beings, like really big eyes, and they're looking at me. Could you imagine? Looking through your rear glass, went door or whatever,

Starting point is 00:36:12 and there's a freaking tall, last area just looking at you. You ever seen, was that movie? How terrifying would that be? Yes, are you kidding me? Remember when there's, I had nightmares forever. Yeah, and they're in the corn fields, and then you get, just the most terrifying, like, suspenseful movies are the ones where you don't get

Starting point is 00:36:29 like a full view of it. And you can just see a glimpse of like this creature. Do you remember, finally, I remember that movie? Yeah. That one fucked me up. Well, there's a real story behind that one. That's a true, that's a apparently a true story. Well, at least the story.

Starting point is 00:36:41 Oh, that one fucked me up, because he gets abducted, and then there's flashes of him being like like experimented on. Yeah. I was a teenager when I watched that and remember how old I was 14 or something like that. Fuck me up. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:51 For a long time. You know, so I'm so sorry. I'm not gonna get an abducted. I'm stuck here. Hey, speaking of scary videos. Yeah, I love that kind of stuff. Speaking of scary videos. Justin, you didn't see this dog pull up the video from Egypt.

Starting point is 00:37:02 Have I buddy sent this to me this morning? It was so funny when you brought out. I was like, oh shit, my buddy's. Oh, this is the shark one. Yeah, this is me. Well, we all go, we all go on vacation. Look at this. This has to be the most graphic real video

Starting point is 00:37:14 of someone being eaten by a shark ever. Right. Look at this, bro. Look at this. He's, watch this. Oh, wait. No, no, look, watch. He's like, hey guys.

Starting point is 00:37:23 No, he's screaming. Doug has no sound on. Help. Yes. Watch. You're going to see some scary shit. Yeah, let me get it. Oh, there's a fan.

Starting point is 00:37:31 Wait a minute. Oh, there's a big one. Yeah, so. Oh, whoa, he takes them now. Oh, no. He gets eaten. Oh, no. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:41 He's under the water. Dude, he's already done. He's already done. He's so confirmed. Like this was a, what do you think that we think it's a person who didn't survive? Yes. Oh no, he's dead. No, he's dead. He, he, he, so when we go on vacation, we've gone on vacation a couple of times. Oh, she didn't realize there's a book. I'm a neither the boat got there. Yeah, he was trying to get

Starting point is 00:37:59 there to help him. Oh, well, I didn't see that part. That's it. Too late right there. We were. Wow. That's so rare, right? Usually the most common thing that happens with a shark is they take a bite. Yeah, it's cool. And realize it's not a fish.

Starting point is 00:38:11 You must have been delicious. We, gross. I know, Ben, just stuff. Hey, we've gone on vacation a few times where we're like by a beach. And you fuckers always like to swim way out in the ocean. And I like to go up to my knees.

Starting point is 00:38:23 That's why. That's why I'm not going swimming in the ocean. There's stuff out there. Yeah, there's stuff. And you especially look delicious. It's like, you're like, they like white right? You're definitely like,

Starting point is 00:38:35 well in the ocean. You know how we like, but the box has like heritage pork. You're like heritage. Yeah, that's what I'm there. That's why I don't wear speedo. That's what delicious. I have too many peptides. Well, that's a problem. That's not delicious. I have too many peptides.

Starting point is 00:38:45 That's a problem. That's a problem. That's a problem. That's a problem. It's just like, you're too salty. It's got a good fatty acid profile. Delicious. I'm milky and cheesy delicious dude.

Starting point is 00:38:57 Katrina said, why don't surf? Katrina said those apps. There's two that we use. One is the wonder weeks and the other one is baby sparks. Okay, both those both those apps Yeah, yeah, we get DM like crazy. Hey, did you guys see what's happening in Oregon? That's crazy. This is hilarious We wrote this is we read this is going in Oregon. Oh, yeah, so organs like Oregon's like California, right? California people think of California as being like this ultra Like a lot of states are like this, right? We're there, well, not a lot. There's a few states that are very, very much on one political side.

Starting point is 00:39:28 Right. And California is known as being like, hard core blue. Okay. The truth is it's the Bay area and the coast. California, most of California is actually red. It's just there's so much population in those bars that they, that they end up, you know, that's how we vote. But if you go through California, anybody who lives here, you know, you drive anywhere outside of the Bay Area in the coast.

Starting point is 00:39:49 Yeah, all the way central valley, all the way up the I grew up in central valley. It's cowboys and it's like, it's very, even Orange County in like some San Diego, it's more red. So yeah, it's just pockets in the Bay Area. So Oregon is like that, right? Oregon's like that. Like, there's like the parts that are like ultra, ultra super left,

Starting point is 00:40:07 and then a lot of it's not. So check this out. 12 Oregon counties have voted to secede from Oregon and want to become a part of Idaho. Wow. Wow. You want to become a part of Idaho? It's so what?

Starting point is 00:40:22 They get a draw like a line and everything. Yeah, but so for this to happen, the state legislator would need to approve it. And then they would have to go through an act of Congress. And they would never have to have a little shut that down. They would never do that. Because then the state would lose all that tax money and that's how they look at it.

Starting point is 00:40:43 It's like we already operate on this budget. Yes. We lose a fifth of our, you know, population because they want to be there. Then we're going to lose a fifth of all the tax money. Yes. And it would have to get passed through Congress. And I think it would be have to be a super majority or something. Because you always hear this.

Starting point is 00:40:58 You hear like there's always these crazy. Texas try that. Yeah. Texas try to do it. They're trying to do it. Yeah. There is. It's like, they're tried to do it. Yeah, I want you. There is. It's all gangster.

Starting point is 00:41:07 They're always trying to do this and then it never goes. Well, there's a, on, on California, there's, I think it's been on our, we've been able to vote on this a couple times where there's like this thing to divide California into like four different states. Have you seen this before? A three I think. I'm actually for that now. So am I?

Starting point is 00:41:22 Have you seen the different, the name of the person? First I was like, what? That's crazy. But like, yeah, I mean, they're really hard like am I? Have you seen the different than the name? First I was like, what? That's crazy, but like, yeah, I mean, they're really more like fake enough. We live in the part we wouldn't want to be in. So. I am.

Starting point is 00:41:32 We're nothing much. Of course, this is true. It's true. But if we could go two hours and we can visit, we've just two hours, that's not bad. I don't remember the names of them were funny too. It's like Jacksonianville.

Starting point is 00:41:42 I mean, it was always weird. Oh, they even had names, warm? Yeah, I don't know, Doug, if you funny too. It's like Jack Sony and Villalore. I mean, it was always weird. Oh, they even had names of them? Yeah, I don't know, Doug, if you could find the proposition. They all have, they have like names of the different states and they're pretty funny. Like the emerald triangle that grows weed, they were gonna be their own.

Starting point is 00:41:55 Yeah. Wasn't there this like fear? We love our earthquakes. Like, like, California was gonna like make its way to the ocean. Is that true though, or is that a myth? It's, it's a myth, but I feel like it's been said so many times and it's been in songs.

Starting point is 00:42:08 It's like a thing. Yeah, you know what, I think it's a myth but I think Superman III like perpetuated. You guys watch that? You guys watch that? He spins backwards and the earth to go back in time. Jump the shark so hard. Yeah, but did you see that?

Starting point is 00:42:22 That was ridiculous. That was, it's the same one. It's Lex Luther. He takes nukes and he puts them in the San so hard. But did you see that? That that that was it's the same one. It's Lex Luthor. He takes nukes and he puts them in the San Andreas fault. And then the whole premise is I did see that. He's going to sink the like that part of California in the ocean by igniting them and then that part of California fall for the ocean. And then all this cheap land that he has will become beachfront property. Brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Go back in the van, is that me in sections? Okay, so the six California scroll down, Doug,

Starting point is 00:42:48 I'm gonna read with there, Jefferson, North California, Silicon Valley, Central California, West California, and South California. Oh, that's not very creative. You guys can come up with better name. Jefferson's a cool name. Wow, sick, huh? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:02 So we would live in Silicon Valley. I mean, do we have that much, do we have that big of a population that we could go sick and still be bigger than a lot of states? Uh, well, I mean, the Bay areas are very Jefferson probably be the best Jefferson. That's freaking weedland, I think. I know. Isn't that the Emerald Triangle up there? Adam? Or is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or the North That's it. That's about a five and a half hour. Just smell in the air as you drive through it. That's it, right? That's it.

Starting point is 00:43:29 They still are. Oh, yeah. It's up there. It's wild. Like just everybody, the neighborhood grows. There's neighborhoods like that where every single person grows and sheriff patrols the town. It's like a total normal, total normal thing.

Starting point is 00:43:43 And you see people like during the season right, right afterwards, like after they pull down, you see like people hitchhiking to go up there with, you know, signs is like tremors. I mean, that's all they do. They go up there for the whole season. See, the reason why they don't, they don't have a lot of voting power up there

Starting point is 00:43:57 is because they forget. They forget the voting time. Too high to care. Oh, shit, that was yesterday. Oh, man, they missed it again. I was watching cartoons. I mean, I forget that maybe Dougalus, that this is a crazy stop. Look how much of the United, how much California supplies the entire United States for marijuana. Oh, triple. I heard

Starting point is 00:44:15 Canada's a big place too. That grows a lot. Well, they do. Yeah, British Columbia. Oh, this reminds me. So I talked a while back about like black bears like being reintroduced or like bears and grisly. I'm sorry. Grisly. Right. They had like, but I agree to that. Dude, do you know what they have found recently that is now in California? They found, I think there's an example of like two or different like families of these Wolverines. What?? They've migrated all the way down from, I mean, aren't they like from Alaska? Yeah. And so they've found Wolverines thriving

Starting point is 00:44:52 in this one part of California. Now, Wolverines, it's Wolverines, what's the one? Honey Badger, they're kind of related, right? Aren't they? Yeah, I mean, they're the same kind of like, like, tenacious little bastards. But yeah, I think the honey badgers are like after Australia, maybe.

Starting point is 00:45:10 Yeah, you ever watched a video of like, like maybe Africa, like a lion or a bear going after like a Wolverine or whatever, and they're just scared of them. It's a small little crazy ass animal. Yeah, they're so tough. They, I mean, they just, yeah, nobody wants a piece of that. And it, yeah, you see like, like, I think it was like 10 female lions all attacking one at the same time and literally just defended.

Starting point is 00:45:32 And so off of everybody. Yeah, Wolverine, honey badger, like a Tasmanian devil, right? Do they all come in like the same category as far as like, I don't know. They were like, it's still looking up your weeds that, I don't think you can find it. Yeah, I don't know what the last it is. Yeah. Yeah. Help don't know what you're talking about. It is like yeah, I help them Google sell. Yeah, it just put a

Starting point is 00:45:49 percentage of cannabis can't percentage of national cannabis sales from California, something like that. See what it says. And then after that look up a no, that's still going to give you dollar amount that it's selling. No, that's what I'm getting. Yeah, you're getting a dollar amount. I know I'm saying like they supply X amount of the entire United States of the product. Yeah. Yeah. It's like in a laryme amount.

Starting point is 00:46:10 Like I more than I knew and I was in it. I was like, oh shit, I didn't realize. No, no, Cal, well, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, California represents 20% of the 26 billion dollar industry. 20%. No, that's that's money and sale. Sure, but I'm the bit. I mean, you're not going to get

Starting point is 00:46:25 pounds. I don't know if we're going to. No, no, no, it's well, you can get like how much of the weed in everywhere else came from California, the origin is. Yeah, but still 20%. No, it's way higher in that. It's like 80, like 80% of all the Ameriwarn in the United States has come from California. Really? Yeah. It's like a great. That's why I wanted to find it for you guys. Oh, just establish it. Why would it be 20% of all sales. That would make sense. Yeah. This is Colorado. Really. No, that all that means is 20% of all sales is being sold in California. No, no, no, no, that says 20% of the total of the $26 billion industry. Yes. 20. Yeah. You guys don't understand what that's saying. No, I know what you're saying. If 10 billion was sold

Starting point is 00:47:04 in the United States, and 20% is sold in California that does not explain what I'm trying to say. Right, but hold on a second, you might not have that number of people at home because I think federally it's illegal to take weed from one state, bring it to another state, and then sell it, although that happens.

Starting point is 00:47:17 Yeah, yeah, it definitely happens. It definitely happens for sure. Yeah. I'll find where it's at. I know I've seen that. I saw like a really. Just ask your guy. Just ask your guy. Let me ask my guy. Yeah, I'll find where it's at. I know I saw like a real just ask your guy Yeah, we have John Name I made that up

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Starting point is 00:50:36 Yeah, Eric. I don't know if I'm gonna say Cresy Cresy's name. That's a great coach I'll find out. Yeah, but but we all knew about Eric before. Yeah, because he doesn't mess around. He's all about what actually works. Yes. And so that was the only reason why I even looked into this, because I totally discounted it for it. Like when they first sent, they sent a product well before,

Starting point is 00:50:56 I knew that Eric was connected to it. It's not strong by science, so that's Max Schmarzo. Well, it's similar. Similar to that, yeah. Oh, I bet you it is. Watch, they have the same name Well, it's similar. Similar to that, yeah. Oh, I bet you it is. Watch, they have like the same name. It is really similar. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:08 One's strong by science and one's, we did a whole episode with science by strong. We're terrible hosts. We're terrible hosts. I thought Andrew had it by now. It's stronger by science. Stronger. Err-trexler.

Starting point is 00:51:18 Strexler. Yes. It's stronger. Shout out to Eric. Yeah. Yeah. Bro, those brainpeppin' names. You remember the name. Yeah. You remember the name. You know how bad I am with names? Oh my gosh. I can yeah, brother's brain pepper. Remember from me. Remember the name.

Starting point is 00:51:26 You know how bad I am on names? Oh my God. I can't believe I remember the name. You guys ever run into somebody that you known for years? Yeah. Forget their name. Buddy. Ever happening? That happens all the time.

Starting point is 00:51:37 All the time it happens. It just happened to me the grocery store. And I you know them for years. Three, three, four weeks ago. This is literally like a scientific mathematical amount of names that you can remember. You can remember. It's always like, it's always someone like this. Like, okay, like it's a buddy of mine who's like,

Starting point is 00:51:51 he's a buddy of mine, but he's not like tight, like you guys tight and it's his wife. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I've been around her enough times. She definitely knows my name. I should know her name, you know what I'm saying? And then I run into her at the grocery store or something like that.

Starting point is 00:52:04 And like, oh my brother's wife like I was it I don't mean her I mean her dad my family My sister law In your defense in your defense, okay Katrina and I I don't share him He cornered me at a party. And he's like talking to me for like 10 minutes. And he's like he just stopped mid-settings. And he's like, do you even know my name?

Starting point is 00:52:32 No, he did it. He called you out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? I don't know your name. And that's weird that you just called me out on that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:41 I was so awkward. Oh my god. I mean, how do you work your way out of that? So he caught me in your defense on that, okay? I mean, could you turn it on? I don't hang out with him. We're on 12 years now. And it is, there's not a month,

Starting point is 00:52:58 in a two months in a row that goes by, that I'm not with her at a family, get together, a barbecue thing. And there's a family member there. I definitely don't know their name or their kids name. And I've met them at least 12 or 15 times. But there's so many freaking family members and there's so many branches and cousins and wives and sisters and brothers and laws to all them that it's like, I can't do it.

Starting point is 00:53:22 Do 12 years. How many of your brains get a journal? I'm in a journal. I actually saw somebody once. This is, and I thought I was smart, but I got called out where I saw someone at, I don't remember, I was at some store, and it was somebody that I worked with for years.

Starting point is 00:53:37 And I forgot, I didn't see what it was. And they were with their kids. I'm like, oh my God, you're a dad. He's like, yeah, it's a dad. And he's like, I'm like, fuck, I'm thinking my head, what's his name, what's his name, what's his name? I'm like, oh my God, you're a dad. He's like, yeah, it's a mad. And I'm like, fuck, I'm thinking my head. I'm like, what's his name? What's his name? What's his name? I'm like, oh, I'm a dad too. Do your kids have like funny names for you? Do they ever call you by your name? Like what are they saying? I don't try to get them to say. You did not do that. That is so cheesy. He's like,

Starting point is 00:53:57 you, he's like, did you remember my name? Oh, sorry. I've been lucky right now. I haven't been called out on it. No, I haven't been called out probably now because probably fucking one of them Brought to us like that motherfucker doesn't know my name. I don't think he's ever said it another call me out He's you with Justin does where he says chief. Yeah Yeah, man Was there an episode of Seinfeld where he couldn't remember the girl's name. He was dating and Yeah, and then he was like, I remember her name in the body part.

Starting point is 00:54:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we called her Dolores. What was it? That wasn't what it was. That was a classic class. That's a good time. Anyway, so shout out. Why don't you shout out the guy that,

Starting point is 00:54:41 because I don't think you've shouted him out yet, who did the talk which was good. I was gonna do that. Oh, you were. Yeah. Okay. So first off, I'll shout out that podcast episode. I don't know what his Instagram is, but his name maybe doesn't find it. Is Jonathan Pajal. Okay. So it's Jonathan dot P-A-G-E-A-U. And if you're like, where was the talk, the talk was on Jordan Pearson. It was Jordan Pearson interviewed him. His podcast, yeah. So if you wanna like, listen to some shit,

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Starting point is 00:55:57 How are you? Hello. Good, good. Thank you for having me on. I want to start with saying thank you for the podcast and everything. I'm a relatively new listener. Cool.

Starting point is 00:56:08 How can we help you? OK. So my question is about designing or programming like a sort of back pocket full body workout. I'm really consistent with my routine. I work with a personal trainer and do one, ideally two, but with work has been more like one hour long full-body strength training session a week, along with some reformer Pilates, yoga, lots of walking,

Starting point is 00:56:32 some running. And I love having a personal trainer. I love that I can kind of turn off my mind and he picks out the weights, the amount, the reps, what exercises to pair with what exercises. But when I'm traveling and in like a hotel gym, I feel really lost about how to get that sort of full body workout, just to keep at that maintenance until I'm back in my routine when I'm back. So I was kind of wondering how you guys would go about thinking about designing a full body

Starting point is 00:57:00 workout, knowing that when I'm traveling, I'm usually having suboptimal sleep due to jet lag or just like early flights or red eye flights. And that I just kind of want to be sending that muscle building signal to all the major groups without doing like it's not supposed to be a crazy PR workout or anything like that. Yeah, does your trainer know you're cheating on him by asking us is that I'm not going to have to. No. All right, we won't tell them. Okay, so how often you travel, because that's going to really influence my answer. Yeah, so for me, go ahead. I don't really travel locally. I don't really travel for work. My in-laws live in Europe, so I would say anywhere from two to four times a year, it's like a longer trip to Europe.

Starting point is 00:57:41 Thus, I will probably have jet lag, probably suboptimal sleep, and it's not that frequently. So I'm really only reaching for this workout, you know, two to four, maybe it's that even more than that, times a year, but I'll be gone for a longer period of time. So maybe I'm going to the gym every day to get that, you know, 45 minutes, maybe an hour of just time at the gym,

Starting point is 00:58:03 so that I'm doing something until I get back into my routine. And how long are you going for when you're over there? Usually one to two weeks. So I'm probably going to hotel gym three to four times. What's the setup there in terms of like what kind of equipment? Yeah, so it varies depending on like where we're going, but I've noticed the most standard is free weights. And sometimes some kettlebells, but it can really some hotel gyms I noticed don't really have the machines to use. And always there's usually a treadmill or something to do, like an incline walker, quick run to get some of the work out in. Okay, so I'm gonna give you two answers,

Starting point is 00:58:46 but they're connected, okay? So you sound like you're very consistent when you're home. Like you don't really miss work outs, you don't skip weeks. Okay, the data on missing a week, you know, even every two months, so that would be less than what you're doing. Actually, it's every four weeks. Yeah, in fact, there's Adam just mentioned. There's actually a study that shows

Starting point is 00:59:09 that missing a week every four weeks. So every fourth week taking it off has no effect on your progress. They actually took two groups and had them work out and one group worked out every week. The other group worked out for three weeks, took a week off, three weeks, took a week off, three weeks took a week off. At the end of the study, they had the same results.

Starting point is 00:59:28 Other studies show that less frequently taking time off like what you're doing, actually resulted in better progress. So actually taking a week off two to four to six times a month, excuse me, a year, actually results in better progress. So understanding that, I'm also gonna add that, it's still healthy to move, it's still healthy mentally

Starting point is 00:59:51 and physically to just move. So if you wanna go into the hotel gym because you enjoy it, it's good for your mental health, it's the way you like to start your day and start your structure, I totally get that. As far as programming's concerned, look, I could give you a workout program, and I can send you one that you can use when you travel,

Starting point is 01:00:10 and you don't even need a hotel gym to do it, or, and, I'll say, you can go to the hotel gym and literally just do this. One exercise per body part, that's it. So start with the big body parts, go legs, back, chest, shoulders, arms, core, and you're done. So I think I listed like five exercises. So if you did that and you did a moderate intensity, you, you're going to be totally fine. Now, if you didn't

Starting point is 01:00:36 work out at all, you're also going to be totally fine. So that's the other, other, other side of it. Now we have a program called Maps Anywhere where if you just had resistance bands and your body weight, you don't even need to go to a hotel gym, you could just do that. And you could pick from the workouts there and it's all written and structured for you. Awesome. Thank you. I'd say we send that over so you have that at your disposal, but I'm just so you know what we all do. Actually, what normally happens is I take the week off,

Starting point is 01:01:06 Justin shows up a couple times, does some bicep curls and bench press and shoulder press stuff. Just like for the pool. Yeah, just some pool muscle stuff. And then Sal gets up and does his religious routine, but he does like he suggested to you one exercise per body, your bits. I mean, we all do that.

Starting point is 01:01:24 That's kind of our route. We travel all the time. He's got back from Nashville for a week. I didn't train a single day the entire time, Justin, I think made it down once or twice to Jim. Sal had every morning and did his routine that he just said. So you would be fine, but I also recognize like my clients that are, so you sound like you're more like Sal,

Starting point is 01:01:45 and you like your routine of doing things like that, and so I'd probably push you in that direction of like, you know, just go do what he said, pick an exercise, provide, it's not a big deal. And you can't go wrong. And you can't go wrong, you're gonna be just fine, because I would be afraid to tell you to do what I do, which is take the week completely off,

Starting point is 01:02:01 because some people take that week off, and then that gives them the excuse to eat bad, and then they fall off their routine or just mentally they just yeah, I do the mental effects. I like starting my day off that way really, but totally, but because it's the same like I like I like to obviously relax on vacation. That's why it's not supposed to be like a crazy hard workout, but I need I love starting my day that way. I like being in the routine. I love starting my day that way. I like being in the routine. And then similarly on that note to what you're saying. Like I mentioned usually not the best sleep when you're traveling. For me, especially going to Europe a lot, it's jet lag.

Starting point is 01:02:32 It's a red eye flight from the East Coast there. And then I also do have, I start seeing an integrative medicine doctor around the same time. I found out about you guys and I do have high cortisol. I've been taking Oshwagandha and El Thienine, but and it's gone down, but like consistently testing really high. So would even doing like body weight only exercises. Yes, yes, yes, okay. Or does that not send any of the muscle? That's a great, that's a great and the fact that you add that information to us, you're the person who's

Starting point is 01:03:02 more likely to overdo it in this situation. In fact, you are overdoing it, right? Yeah, you situation. In fact, you are overdoing it right now. Yeah, you are. So you would be better off taking off. You would do it in like I do, which is take the whole week off. But I also respect that if it is,

Starting point is 01:03:13 I mean, Sal don't take the week off, even though he probably should do. It's because it's a mental thing for him that that sets the tone for his day. If I take the day off, these guys don't wanna be around me. I'm kinda, yeah. So yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:24 I'm already annoying, I get more annoying. So if that's the case, then yeah, go I take the day off, these guys don't wanna be around me. I'm kinda pretty weird. So yeah. I'm already annoying, I get more annoying. So, so if that's the case, then yeah, go there and honestly, yeah, you just move. In fact, stretching. Walking on the treadmill. Yeah, it's a good thing. So if that can give you that same good positive vibes and juices flowing and make you feel like you did

Starting point is 01:03:38 something good for your body for the day, then do more recuperative stuff, body weight stuff, mobility stuff, walking on the treadmill, set the tone for the day, you're more likely to overdo it by, you know, trying to over-complicate the workout with weights and push intensity, especially knowing that your situation already and the fact that you're probably jet lagged. So, Helen, I'm going to give you some advice you didn't ask for because now that I got more information and I know that your cortisol is high when it shouldn't be in your integrated medicine specialist is telling you that you're doing too much.

Starting point is 01:04:10 Let's talk about your normal routine, okay? You're doing too much. You're doing too much and of all the things that you mentioned, the one day a week of strength training, you're doing reformer work and you're running. You said you're running. Is there anything else? If I'm not running, I do try to get a good amount of steps, 10K, but sometimes up to 20K.

Starting point is 01:04:32 How many days a week are you exercising? Four. One of those is strength training and then the other three are what? How many days a week is reformer? How many days a week would be the running slash three? I guess then like three times a week reformer to two times a week reformer running sometimes doubling like doing a Pilates and running if it's a weekend day. And then walking it I try for every day. Okay. Cut the the running out. Just do that. Just cut the running out. Go walk. You can

Starting point is 01:05:03 go walk still. Yeah, but don't go crazy with that either. Cut it out. You know what's gonna happen if you do what I tell you? You're gonna get better results. In fact, if you have to stay busy, if you just like to be active, I would do some Yin yoga, some very restorative type exercise.

Starting point is 01:05:19 No, do more Pilates, because I know reformer work, people think, that's not restorative, that's actually a workout. So I would doer work people think, that's not restorative, that's actually a workout. So I would do like stretching, yin yoga, mobility, an outdoor hike, just a leisure type walk, but cut the running out. That's not benefiting you. In fact, it's hurting you right now.

Starting point is 01:05:38 Now your other option is to keep doing what you're doing and I would take a week off every five or six weeks, but I don't think you're gonna do that. Yeah, I don't think you're going to do that. So cut the running out, watch what happens. I think you'll be really happy with your progress. Awesome. Thank you guys. You got it. Thanks for calling in. Thanks. Thanks. Bye. Bye. I feel like we should write an ebook or something along the lines of this avatar. It's just such a common challenge and client, right? The training, this is actually my client.

Starting point is 01:06:09 Like I've trained so many of these, this is what I ended up training mostly. And they do, they all, they all tend to lean into more is better. And you know, maybe putting together something where we can communicate that to this person better than what we already do because I feel like we talk about this a lot, but it seems to be a challenge. What it is, is besides the potential unhealthy relationship that people can develop with exercise, because that's a real thing too,

Starting point is 01:06:35 is the mental effects. I mean, I've identified that for myself. Like, if I start the day off with some kind of workout, even if it's low intensity, that's what I do when I go to the hotels. In fact, last week when we were in Tennessee, I was sick, so I didn't, it wasn't a workout. I just went in and did some movement.

Starting point is 01:06:52 It just mentally, it's so beneficial. And I know a lot of people get the benefit of that. The problem is that they also combine it with a workout, they end up over training. So it's really just about kind of moving than it is anything else and starting your day off that way. Well, it's hard to you build that association where your body changes. You get in a better, healthier place, but then you still add that same mentality of

Starting point is 01:07:17 like adding more and like doing more aggressive, you know, style, train more intense training to where the point is not benefiting you the same way. No. And so that's the hard part is recognizing that and shifting so you still move, but you'd move with less intensity. Yeah. And again, I'm going to make this point again. If you work out consistently and you don't miss a week, you don't miss a workout, literally taking a week off every quarter, take a complete week off, if that's all you did, you'll get

Starting point is 01:07:43 better results. Okay. One more thing. What is reformer? You don't know what reformer is? No, I've never heard of it. It looks like the Pilates thing. Where are they? It's like the bench with the slide. And it's like a cable thing and it slides feet to it.

Starting point is 01:07:53 It looks kind of like a sophisticated, what was the thing that Chuck Norris did? Oh, the total gym. Yeah, it's like a more sophisticated version of that. Yeah. But it is, I tell you what, since she's gonna probably listen to this and she was already doing that,

Starting point is 01:08:08 she'd be even better off dropping all of that doing two days of full body strength training. Of course, you know, so if you want, I tried to be realistic. You want the most optimal way. Yeah, I know. I have a good girlfriend of mine that actually runs a reformer class

Starting point is 01:08:19 and you know, trying to, I've been, she's always asking me like, oh, what can I do? My body's not changing, I'm like, uh, I'm doing the reform. Stop doing your business. It's like, just straight train, two times,

Starting point is 01:08:28 or three times a week. Why do reformer strengths, I'm like, yeah, that's a thing. Yes, it is, but it's not the same as you. By the way, someone listening, he's like, it's hard. You should try. I know it's hard. There's a lot of hard stuff that doesn't get your body

Starting point is 01:08:39 to change, that's not the point. Yeah, no. So if she does, you know, that would be a goal is to move into more strength training, more barbell, dumbbell strength training, and away from that. But I know, and I'm gonna get crucified from all the hardcore reformer people that are out there.

Starting point is 01:08:55 They're gonna reform. We're a fool. It's similar to a blame. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Our next color is David from the Netherlands. David, what's happening?

Starting point is 01:09:04 How can we help you? Hey guys, well first of all it's very cool to be here. It's really exciting. I've sent in two questions and I would like to start with the first one. Okay, all right. As a trainer, would you view demonstrating and performing exercises for clients several hours per day as kind of trigger sessions or any other form of exercise? And to be a little bit more specific, would you count it as volume? And if so, how would you

Starting point is 01:09:41 modify your own training? Yeah, no, it's, it's you're just demonstrating. You're not working out. You're moving. It's movement, but it's not really working. Yeah, I would classify it like a trigger session. I think that's like, if I'm one of the, what a better... Maybe, I mean, how many reps you're doing? I mean, when I used to demonstrate exercises, I wouldn't do like, I wasn't doing like 10 reps

Starting point is 01:09:58 or anything like that for the most part, but it's movement, I would say it's more movement than anything. Yeah, activity. I mean, if you're going to count it as steps, I think that's what I would do. Yeah, so in other words, it's not going I would say it's more movement than anything. Yeah, activity. I mean, if you're gonna count it as steps, I think that's what I would do. Yeah, so in other words, it's not going in my volume, right? So if I'm tracking my total volume of what I'm doing for total volume in all exercises or my legs or my,

Starting point is 01:10:14 I'm not like, oh, shit, I did, you know, 12 push-ups today, teaching my clients, like I'm not gonna add that. So it's like, I treat it like movement slash trigger sessions and treat it as like, that's awesome for you. That's one of the, by the way, it's a great benefit of training. I miss that too.

Starting point is 01:10:29 I'm bringing it up. Yeah, that's something that, you know, you underestimate how much that helps in the, you know, total calorie burn, synosignal to keep muscle like. It feels good to move. Yeah, it's so good for you to do that. I miss that as a trainer.

Starting point is 01:10:44 Like, I haven't had that for a long time. It would be different if you were like a group ex instructor and you were like doing the class with the class. You know, if you're doing the workout with your client, that's different. But if you're just showing an exercise and then have them do it. You know, that's a good point. So because I had trainers that were like that, right? Some of my trainers, they were very interactive with their clients and they love to like do push up hand claps and they're like, they're like, they're like, doing the workout with them. Yeah, if you're getting into the workout like that, that's a little bit different. But if you're just like, Hey, this is how you do a bench press, you get under the weight

Starting point is 01:11:11 that they do, which is probably a, you know, fraction of what you can do and you're teaching techniques, five reps or whatever, that that's just movement. Yeah. So as a follow up question to that, As a follow up question to that, would you then, if you have a day where you have like five or six clients and you have been demonstrating and performing exercises all day, would you then add another trigger session yourself or? How long you've been training for, people? Three years now. Yeah, it doesn't count. Trigger sessions will be separate.

Starting point is 01:11:44 I wouldn't count it. It's just being active. You're just moving. Yeah, it doesn't count. Trigger sessions will be separate. I wouldn't count it. Yeah. It's just being active. You're just moving. Yeah, what if I can't afterwards? No. All right. So, and my second question was about intimate and fasting. And I know kind of the stance on intimate and fasting as a fat loss tool that it's maybe not the best because of the and intermittent fasting as a fat loss tool that it's maybe not the best because of the kind of restrict bench promoting behavior. That's right. How would you view it if it's for someone

Starting point is 01:12:14 to control healthy snacking, quote unquote, if the rest of the diet is on point? Okay. Yeah. Well, let me guess. So you're saying that you like to eat in a time restricted way because it's a great way for you to structure your eating. Otherwise, you tend to just eat throughout the day. Or is this for your clients? I think he might be asking for his clients or for

Starting point is 01:12:36 you? It's kind of both. So I really want to have the proper words to formulate this to clients. But for myself, it's like when I eat throughout the day, I split my meals up. So when I have five meals, I split it up across the day. But I tend to have more urges to have some more in between compared to when I did all in a time window, but still account for the same amount of protein, for example. I feel like I have less urge to snack in between because the next meal is coming faster. So I'll tell you what I used to tell my clients about snacking. I tell you that snacking is a made up word.

Starting point is 01:13:28 There's no such thing as snacks. There's incomplete meals and complete meals. And my goal is for every time that you consume food, we have a complete meal. So you have an urge to sit down and have a snack. We're not going to have a snack. Let's have a meal. Parad that with protein, get some good fiber in there, have a good amount of good clean carbohydrates.

Starting point is 01:13:47 Like, so throw out this idea of snacking and grazing throughout the day. Snacking is snacks are a made-up word to market to people to buy shit and snack on it all day. You either are eating a complete meal or you're eating an incomplete meal. My goal for myself, my goal for my clients is to teach you how to make complete meals. It could be a small meal, it could be a very tiny meal,

Starting point is 01:14:10 but I want you to eat a balanced complete meal. So that's how I used to tell my clients around snacking and teaching them to not snack. Yeah, what you're doing is you're identifying behaviors and what works or doesn't work. You know, because some people are actually the opposite. Some people are better off not eating for a period of time. Other, because if they eat small meals,

Starting point is 01:14:32 it actually makes them want to eat more in vice versa. So this is all an individual thing. And you got to kind of find what works for the person. So see how they work, how it works for them. I should say how they feel, what encourages better behaviors and relationships with food. And then you can help, that'll help you kind of, you know, direct where you're going to go with this. All right. Okay. Thanks. Thanks for your answers. You got it, ma'am. Thanks for calling in. Thank you guys. Bye, bye.

Starting point is 01:15:03 Hi, Dad. Take care, man. It did look like he was in a steam room, huh? It's all funny, yeah. It's nice. Yeah, the question about movement, I mean, he's a trainer, so he's overthinking things. But it's just activity, really. Do I count every step I take as a calf raise?

Starting point is 01:15:20 Because I'm going to go to the back. No, but a good discussion, though, because it did make me remember the the trainers that did work out. Group X instructors used to do the class with the class. Yes, that was only, yeah, that's a no brainer that to work out. I've been in the instructors obviously. I did have trainers that love to do that. Like I had some trainers that would like the medicine ball squat with them.

Starting point is 01:15:38 They did everything with them. They love to get the workout and sweat with them and they found it, you know, inspiring to do. I never got a hell of a hell of a inspiring. I never thought I'd hell no sit. I do miss that though, like unracking, racking ways, like carrying it around the gym. All they long, like just doing that. Yes.

Starting point is 01:15:52 Because then, you know, the contrast of that now, that's sitting on her butt and then like being in traffic. Totally. In all day. All day. Yeah. Yeah, so we gotta, you know, make up for that. And then the snacking thing, I just, you know,

Starting point is 01:16:04 snack is made up. It's not a thing. Yeah, no, it's a marketing that. And then the snacking thing, I just, you know, snack is made up. It's not a thing. Yeah, nice. It's a marketing thing. It's not a meal. It's a snack. No, it's like you either eat a complete meal or you eat an incomplete meal.

Starting point is 01:16:15 And if you want a quote unquote snack, okay, well then we'll eat a smaller meal and let's make sure that we go, and here's why that's so important is, like it's already difficult for people to hit their protein intake consistently. If you fill up the day with these little mini snacks of incomplete meals meaning that you're not balanced with some protein in there with the right ratio like 20 20 you're not going to hit you're not going

Starting point is 01:16:40 to usually carb heavy. That's right. They're almost always carb. Nobody snacks on a chicken breast. You know what this came from, I don't know what to say. Like everybody snacks on crackers and shit that is. By the way, you know what this came from? This came from the myth that you need to eat throughout the day, small meals. Before that, like snacking, and it was the food industry. The food industry really pushed this like, what are you gonna do for snacks?

Starting point is 01:17:02 And what about in-between me? How are we gonna sell more products when you're not actually sitting down to eat? Yeah. It's just, it's totally a made up thing. Our next color is Brad from Washington, DC. Brad, what's happening? I can't wait to help you.

Starting point is 01:17:14 What you producing back there? Oh, you call center? Oh, don't worry about it. Yeah. Oh, it looks like some CIA hush. Hey, it's the NSA, they finally got a whole lot of... GCE of DC. Oh, whoa, you're getting a lot of it. You see a video?

Starting point is 01:17:25 You guys are. I'm not trying to lose my job here. Come on. What's happening, man? How can we help you? So, first of all, thank you guys. You guys hear it all the time, but you're the best. Love your content.

Starting point is 01:17:38 I've been listening since about episode 500. So I've been around a little while. Not quite since the beginning, but damn, you're close to it. So I've been around a little while, not quite since the beginning, but damn you're close to it. So I love you guys. Adam, I want to thank you especially for your advice, help me, you know, call my horse inventory. Many fewer horses than I used to have. So thank you for that. By the way, that was me in the Facebook forum that posted that. I just wanted to show that out. It's nice. Good stuff.

Starting point is 01:18:11 Let me know what happens. I'm going to go ahead and get into my question here. So I've had incredible results with aesthetic and strong. And right now, I'm kind of in a place where I want to get some, you know, worked towards some new athletic goals. I'd like to cut about 10 to 15 pounds to become a little more agile and take a little bit of strain off of an ankle injury that I'm kind of rehabbing right now. 40 years old, 5.11, walk around at about 185, 12 to 15% body fat. And I'm kind of guessing on that.

Starting point is 01:18:43 But I'd like to kind of, I'd like to get to like 170 and maintain that body fat, right? So any lower than like kind of 10%, I tend to affect my quality of life. And then so my question is, how can I best lose weight without sacrificing too much strength kind of with the understanding that, you know,

Starting point is 01:19:05 there is gonna be some strength loss there. Brad, you're 5'11, 185. Your body weight's not bad for athleticism. So now if you were like 2'5, 2'10, 2'20, then I would give you advice that'd be a little more targeted towards losing size. But what I'll say to you is this, first off, is there a specific sport

Starting point is 01:19:26 that you wanna get better at, or is it just general athleticism? So I played a lot of soccer. I'd like to try and get about two games in a, well, definitely at least one game in a week, maybe two. And real quick, to preface that, I started this journey at like 155. So I've gone up to about as high as,

Starting point is 01:19:45 to like 195 and it just feels, you know, when I'm running around. Sure, yeah. It feels heavy. Dude, for sure. This is okay, so this is not gonna be too hard. It's all conditioning. This is not gonna be that hard for you.

Starting point is 01:19:57 So what I would say is play more soccer, lift less weights, and don't worry too much about trying to cut your calories, eat healthy, and then what'll happen is your body will adapt to be better at what you're doing more of. So I would play more soccer. I would do strength training, like once a week, a mass performance style workout,

Starting point is 01:20:14 mass performance has the best athletic workouts. Play soccer two to three days a week, one day a week of strength training with that, and then your body weight should settle at a good athletic body weight without having to try to lose too much. How long has it been since you played soccer? I've been off. I've been kind of taking it easy with my ankle for like the last two months. Okay, okay, that's okay because that was the one thing I would have changed it advice-wise because like this is I would love to go play basketball right now. And if I just started playing basketball right now,

Starting point is 01:20:46 I would for sure tear something right out the gates if I didn't lean down or get smaller first. But you've already been playing soccer in the last six months. And so his advice is perfect. Like you literally, I mean, you could even reduce the strength training down and just be more focused on playing soccer.

Starting point is 01:21:05 Literally. One day a week of lifting from maps performance and then the rest of it just playing soccer. Your body will adapt. What does your mobility practices look like? So I'm doing yoga at least once a week and that's a usually twice, but that's about it in terms of mobility. I would try and get a little more specific with that, and especially if we're gonna increase the amount of times that you're out there on the field and running around and getting a lot impact on those joints,

Starting point is 01:21:38 especially in the beginning, so just the aimless warm up, I should say, to be specific and get like good three, like solid mobility exercises for you to just do prior to getting on the field, and then also after. Just to reinforce that, make sure that we're getting good stability control, and that's activated, so that way,

Starting point is 01:22:01 because this amount of impact, it's gonna add up pretty quickly, if that's gonna be your focus for Well, do you maintain that Justin you have okay one off top my head. I love it's like stretches one. Yeah, yeah Combat stretch a walking Lizard with rotation. I love that for athletes like to warm up in because the world's greatest stretch Oh, that's what it's called the mobility you just did the mobility sessions for mass performance. Yeah, yeah, but we're just in going with three specific good mobility things before you get into every soccer, like you're not going to run a whole mobility flow before, like

Starting point is 01:22:34 literally that's the combat stretch and maybe inchworm. Yeah, the world's greatest stretch. You're kind of hitting that. Well, it's kind of hitting with the world's greatest. So those two for sure, yeah, let's do that. Something laterally. Yeah, yeah. Let's do that. Something laterally. Yeah, yeah. Lateral lunge hop.

Starting point is 01:22:47 I think that's in the masterformance. So those three movements every time before you get on the field like that, it'd be a great way to kind of prime the body before you get on the physics squad. Same thing. Yeah. Gotcha.

Starting point is 01:23:01 Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. That's one thing I've noticed is I get older. Like when I was 30, like I can just jump on the field and run for 90 minutes and I'd be sore the next day, but it's nothing like it is now. Yeah. I feel that. Yeah. I have to do it. And what do you think about, so just lifting once a week, you think you think it'll be all right?

Starting point is 01:23:22 Yes. Yes, bro. You're going to be fine. be fine. That's gonna be plenty. You'll trip out less is more at this point. Yep. That's you guys here. And then protein, I'm pretty dialed on the nutrition stuff, you know, protein about a gram per pound. Keep it the same. Yep. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:38 Yeah. Keep it the same. Don't cut your calories to try and lose more. That's actually probably the most important thing. You might even be able to get away with the increasing calories a little bit because of all the extra cardio and movement. I mean, it'll bring his weight down as it'll happen. Yeah. Yeah. Keep it the same.

Starting point is 01:23:47 Keep that protein up. That would be the probably the only thing that could sacrifice the muscle, the fastest would be to all sudden just let go of hitting your protein and take it. But if you're good about that, one day of good strength training of mass performance, mobility drills before you play soccer and start playing more soccer. Yeah. Yeah. A couple of weeks back, I cut calories pretty drastically by about a thousand and I don't know man just felt like crap like it didn't really feel right. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you're up expecting Yeah, awesome. Well cool. I appreciate it. I had it man. All right, Brad. Thanks Brad. Yeah, go spine people You got to fill me in on the horse thing. What was that all about? I have no idea

Starting point is 01:24:21 Go spine people. You got to fill me in on the horse thing. What was that all about? I have no idea. I gotta go to the forum and look, I'm trying to remember what he's talking about. Maybe horses growing up. Or someone said something once, you're like, what?

Starting point is 01:24:32 And they say to get you in, huh? And they say it again, and you're just like, you're embarrassed to ask against me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude. The only thing I could think of is when we were talking about you were teasing me about the horses,

Starting point is 01:24:41 but then he says he let go of a bunch of horses. What was I teasing you about? No, I remember my family. They were like, we're poor. Yeah, yeah. says he let go of a bunch of horses. What was I teasing you about? No, I remember my family, they were like, we're poor. Yeah, yeah, so you guys, you own a bunch of horses? Yeah, so I'm maybe Doug can look him up on the forum and see what else he's in. You know, this whole like, financially sound fun.

Starting point is 01:24:55 This whole I need to lose a bunch of size to be more athletic. That's true when you're like big. When you're a big person, we were just talking about this. You and I were literally just, before we go on the podcast, I made a comment to Sal,

Starting point is 01:25:08 hey, I'm gonna get really skinny and small. And he's like, what, what do you mean shred it? I'm like, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna start just doing card like I said. You're like, do you not listen to our podcast? We tell you, I'm like, no, I actually want to lose muscle too. I think I wanna just kinda shrink down completely.

Starting point is 01:25:23 What are you wearing now? About 225, too. Yeah, see, that's your big shrink down completely. What are you wearing now? About 225 to 30. Yeah, see, that's your big dude, right? So, and if you were like 205. And my basketball weight is like 185. Well, as I was gonna say, that's like a huge dude. Right, so let's say you were 205 right now. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:35 All you would have to do, of course, with the prerequisites of having the mobility and all stuff, would just be play more basketball, lift less weights. And then your body will just adapt. You'll form into it, yeah. Totally. Yeah, like that's the thing. And it does, I mean, a sport like soccer or more basketball, lift less weights, and then your body will just adapt. You'll form into it, yeah. Totally. Yeah, that's the thing.

Starting point is 01:25:46 And it does, I mean, a sport like soccer or basketball, it's just like constant running, explosive movements, so to have like mass isn't quite as advantageous. And it really matters when you're somebody who is 40 years old, and when he, like him, when he was 30, he was used to being one, what was he, 150, he said? Yeah, yeah, 155, and you're at 30 years old.

Starting point is 01:26:06 Now you're 10 years older and 30 pounds more on you. That makes a big difference. Your basketball weight was 185? Yeah, 185, 190. What was your football weight? I was to 25. So you're still beefy. Yeah, it's football.

Starting point is 01:26:19 Well, I mean, I got all the time. It's also though, I mean, it also speaks to why he's way more agile than we are today is that he's not that far off from his football. We have the thinking he calls it support constant square body. Yeah. This is one box. Our next caller is Cassie from Montana.

Starting point is 01:26:36 Hi Cassie. How can we help you? Hello. Well, just like everybody does, I first want to say thank you. And then I'm super excited to meet with you all. It's like meeting us celebrity, but honestly, better because of the authenticity that you guys bring to your podcast.

Starting point is 01:26:54 So I feel like I already know you all and that you're all super cool dudes that I would want to hang out with someday. Just a big honor. And so I'm a little star-struck right now, but I'll stop fan-girling and get into my question. What a great compliment. Yeah, thanks. So just a little bit of background. I've been lifting consistently for like four years and after buying a bundle of your guys as I realized how much I loved low

Starting point is 01:27:23 rep strength training and previous to that I had really only focused on like probably six to eight reps and above but yeah I just have had a lot of fun with that and I've kind of I'm in the last part of your anabolic program right now and I'm doing like the I think it's 12 to 15 and I kind of just by myself getting bored at the end of that set, which maybe means I'm not going hard enough, but anyways, I just, yeah, I feel like now training in higher reps sets, I get just bored and don't really want to do it anymore.

Starting point is 01:28:00 So I know it's good to train both, but I would actually prefer the effects of hypertrophy training rather than the low rep training. So I feel like I'm in a weird place of like switching back and forth and not getting good effects from either, good results from either and just not really sure where to go next. All right, Kassie. Well, first off, all those rep ranges build muscle.

Starting point is 01:28:21 Okay, so I know that they label some hypertrophy and some strength, but they all build muscle. And, so I know that they label some hypertrophy and some strength, but they all build muscle and then keep this in mind. First off, most people have a rep range that they prefer. So you're normal, you're common. That's very common. Most people are like, I love all rep ranges. Some, some people like high reps and other people's like, like low reps. Doing the other rep ranges will make you better at the rep range that you enjoy doing the most. Okay, so avoiding the high rep training is actually going to start to hinder your low rep training. You may start to find your joint pain goes up a little bit, you may start to find that you hit plateaus much faster or you're just stuck in a plateau. So you still, you've got to train in those other rep ranges if you want to continue to progress

Starting point is 01:29:03 and avoid plateaus and avoid, you know, things like injury. Now that means said you don't have to spend equal amounts of time in each of those rep ranges. Now I know we write we write the programs that way because that's a very balanced approach, but you could spend three weeks in a low rep range and do a week of a higher rep range. You go back to low rep. Like you can play with it in that way to where when you start to feel the negative effects of the low rep, like for me, if I go low rep for too long, I start to notice it in my joints and then the connective tissue and at the insertion points in my muscles, I start to notice

Starting point is 01:29:37 things stop feeling good and I start to plateau and I start to hurt a little bit. In which case, I'll switch to the higher reps and I'll do it long enough to where I start to feel like I'm good again and then I'll go back to low reps. So you could totally do that if you prefer the low rep trains, nothing wrong with that. Keep in mind that the thing that we tend to like doing the least tends to give us the best results. So all sales advice is correct and I agree

Starting point is 01:30:04 and I think that's a totally good viable strategy. But then also don't allow yourself to feel like in say a year or two years down your training like man, I just can't get past this plateau or I'm really trying to lean out more or I wish I was getting a little stronger and you've been kind of training this way for a long because this is what happens. People, they fall in love with a rep range, they fall in love with a training modality, and they tend to stick in there 90% of the time, and then maybe they bounce out a little bit and go back in. And then they're frustrated because they're not seeing the change they want to see in their body, whether that be strength or aesthetically

Starting point is 01:30:37 or whatever performance, whatever. And the answer is like, well, how long has it been since you've done X, Y, or Z, and many times? It's like, oh, well, I kind of do that, but then I get right back to this and it's like, well, I know you don't like doing that, but if you actually stuck in that a little bit longer, you probably see more results in the direction that you want to go. So just keep that in mind as you are leaning harder into the, but to be honest, when I get a female client that I can get to actually love the low reps and lifting heavy, I tend to not...

Starting point is 01:31:06 It's a win. Yeah, it is a big win. There's rarely ever I'm going to try and convince you to go the other way because I think most women and people in general tend to do the higher reps circuit training. So I love the fact that you like to strengthen train and if there was a rep range that I would have you stick in the longest, it would be that. Yeah, same. And that's the thing is we all have our preferences, isn't it?

Starting point is 01:31:25 Kind of to both their points, like the way that I tend to train for the most part is it would look like Maps Performance Phase 1 and then Phase 2 I kind of interrupted with. And so that, because of the fact that I'm training in multiple planes and that's kind of the focus, but the volume's a lot higher, the reps are higher. And that's just a way to kind of break it up, but also account for my joints, longevity, function, and you know, my strength stability. And then I'll jump right back into doing like more lower rep type lifting with that as well. So it's like, you can still kind of stay and hone in on what you like doing the best,

Starting point is 01:32:06 but you do have to kind of break that up in order to maintain the long term. Yeah, yeah. And my first, like I said, I've been lifting for like four years, the first two, two and a half years of that, I was only doing those higher reps. And so like, unless I'd randomly throw in

Starting point is 01:32:24 one rep max in there, and then I'd just get frustrated and Not do it for a long time because I was like well, I mean, I'm barely getting stronger So why would I keep doing one rep max is but yeah, in the first phase of anabolic I was like, okay This is awesome like it's a lot of fun and I can stay engaged in the whole set and Yeah, I just I'm hoping to move towards doing a little bit more of that. And it sounds like that's okay, and we'll still build muscle. Yeah. Well, and consider this too.

Starting point is 01:32:53 As you continue on this journey of relationship with strength training, you'll start to develop different relationships with different types of exercise and rep ranges and programming styles because circumstances change or you'll notice certain things about your body or I appreciate higher rep training more now than I ever did because I'm at a place now where continue to push heavy weight just has more risk versus reward. And so now actually find more value in some other that other training. So this is an ever evolving relationship. So you might not you're probably not going to be here forever. But nonetheless, you know, the advice we're giving you is a way to maintain good progress and health and do what

Starting point is 01:33:37 you love doing the most most frequently. Yeah. So then for me next, I mean right now I'm in the last phase of Vannabolic. I was thinking about maybe getting power lift. Is that something I should try? Yes, yes. Yeah, we'll send that to you. I'd love to hear you go through power lift. Yeah, awesome. Cool. Yeah, you got it. Well, yeah, thank you guys and if you have any other advice for that, I'm all ears but otherwise that was my big question and just kind of what direction I should go guys. And if you have any other advice for that, I'm all ears. But otherwise, that was my big question and just kind of what direction I should go next. So if you guys agree with PowerLift,

Starting point is 01:34:10 then I'm super excited about that. All right, I love that idea. I think you're an incredible place right now. This is a place I think we're trying to get most of our clients to get. So I think you're doing great. Just keep in mind all the advice that we gave. Okay, awesome.

Starting point is 01:34:23 Well, thank you guys so much. And I look forward to listening to every episode in the future. Thank you. Cassie. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I mean, you got to consider what you enjoy doing is an important value and a factor that you want to consider.

Starting point is 01:34:38 And there's nothing wrong with that, but just understand. It's the most important. Yeah, exactly. But just understand how to use all the other methods and tools. And so that you can do what you enjoy doing. Because if you, what you enjoy doing, if you do it too often too frequently and you don't pay attention to other things, then what sometimes happens is your ability to do what you love, you start to decline because of injury, overuse, or imbalances. You just need to understand the adaptation process

Starting point is 01:35:06 with exercise in the body. And it's like what I used to tell a lot of the orange theory clients that I had that love to go to orange theory. And I say, man, you love to go. You have this routine, you go every single week, you hang out with your girlfriend at lunch afterwards, it keeps you consistent and keeps your cardiovascular endurance up, but your plateau you're not seeing a results. Well, there's a good reason why that is,

Starting point is 01:35:27 because that's what you've been doing for years, and your body needs something else. If you need change, if you need change and want to see change in your body, then we need to change the adaptation. We need to change the way you're training in order for you to stimulate and see new changing growth in the body. So you have to weigh those out always. You have to be balanced. So it's totally okay to become this person who's always kind of training this way

Starting point is 01:35:50 because you love doing it. It's what keeps you consistent. Just keep in mind if and when, and the win is for sure, that plateau comes, and if you're still seeking change and you wanna see the body change in a different way, well, good reason why it probably is is because you're doing the same things that you've been doing for months or even potentially years. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to Instagram, Mind Pump Media. You can get a workout every single

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