Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2104: The Right Way to Lose 50+ Pounds, How to Fix Chronic Shoulder Pain, the Minimum You Need to Work Out to Maintain Gains & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: June 24, 2023

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New study shows that touring may be the key to longevity. Actually, just study on multiple animal models and found that touring concentration was a predictor of aging. So they increased touring concentrations and animals like rats and some worms and some other animal models and they found that the lifespan is increased by 10 to 12%. What is torrent? It's an amino acid. It's known as a conditionally essential amino acid meaning your body can produce torrent but under times of stress or illness you probably need to consume more of it. So what's the key takeaway here?

Should you just supplement with torrent? No, you know, we get a lot of torrent protein. Really what's the key takeaway here? Should you just supplement with touring? No, you know, you get a lot of touring, protein. Really what the study is showing is that you probably need more protein as you age and this totally corresponds with studies on humans. As humans get older, they do better with higher protein diets. So what's the, again, the takeaway? You want to live longer, eat more protein. Is this a new study? New study for touring. So this will be interesting. I what's the, again, the takeaway? You want to live longer, eat more protein. Is this a new study? New study for touring. So this will be interesting. When has our friend Lane got a hold of it yet? No. So to be interesting, see how Lane talks about it. Because it's like one of those ones that you could totally try and shit on it because

of it one being done in animal and then two, your point about protein. I hope that he highlights that's probably the key factor. That's what it is. They'll do studies on like branching amino acids, argonine, proline, whatever, all these amino acids, all these benefits. But if you get a good amount of protein, what would be considered optimal for muscle building,

you're getting a lot of all the amino acids. So that's what they're missing. So really, with these animal models, it's like if these animals ate more protein, they'd get the touring. And again, that corresponds with the data on humans where they find that as humans get older, having higher protein intake, especially when you combine it with strength training. I want to add that, right? You combine it with strength training. It's like, it's as close as you can get to the fountain of youth. So what's the motivation to study something like

touring by itself like that? Because they identify what they know what different amino acids do in the body. Yeah. And amino acid touring is important for energy production. It's in energy drinks. You know, like red oil. Red oil's got touring in it.

It's an interesting amino acid. It's not technically an essential amino acid because your body can make it. But when you're stressed or sick, you could deplete yourself very quickly. So they call it a conditionally essential amino acid. But how many grams of touring is in 30 grams away protein, like plainly, more than you'll get from just supplementing with touring?

Now, was that the class, like the energy drink class? Because that wasn't a thing for us growing up. But then it became a thing and it was like, they have like B vitamins, touring, and like they've just smashed all these vitamins in there and like called it an energy drink. Well, I think that the classic move there was just that caffeine is the energy, the main energy driver.

And then the selling point is that, oh, it has creatine, oh, it has vitamin B, oh, it has K, D, it has all these other things that they throw in it to make it more superior than the other caffeine drink. Yeah, be by the end. Really, at the end of the day, everybody who compares all of these energy drinks,

which is better and stuff like that, it's really the dose of caffeine is really what's making the biggest difference as far as what you feel. And then all the other stuff is just a bunch of filler, bullshit to make you sound or sound like yours is better or taste better. And that makes it a P brighter.

So B vitamins have been touted for a long time for energy, but really it's if you're deficient, then it makes a huge difference. Some people have a tough time absorbing B12 because they have gut issues. So you give somebody, or I think there's some genetic mutations in some people too, or some genetic variances, I should say, in people where they just don't absorb a lot of

B. You give them a shot of vitamin B12. It's life chain. I had a client like that. I had a client like that who had chronic fatigue, couldn't figure out what happened. Work with functional medicine practitioner. With supplementing with B12, it just wasn't absorbing. So the functional medicine practitioner was like,

do a shot of B12 once every, I don't remember what was three, four days. And she's like, bro, she's like, I did the shot. And she's like, hours later, I felt like a new person. This is why we talk about, you know, when it comes to the supplement game, nothing is more impactful than supplementing something that you're deficient in.

Yeah, I mean, I remember when we first got the mellow product from Ned and the magnesium, it was like, because you needed it. Holy shit. And that's why too, it's like, so why some people are like, oh, it's not that big of a deal. I didn't know anything. Well, maybe you're not deficient. And that idiot saying, and then somebody who does thinks it's amazing, it's like, well, yeah, because you're now you're getting what you need. Yeah, that's why I think in the future, and you're starting to see this a little bit, but I think you're gonna see more in the future that way protein, which is used to be just for body builders.

Now it's making its way into somewhat health and wellness. I think that's going to be a longevity supplement. Because you see this, you see that as people get older, their requirements for protein go up and with strength training, it really does make a significant improvement on quality life and on aging. And again, protein is chains of way, you know, a gram away protein is all the amino acids. It's a complete protein, meaning protein is all the amino acids. It's a complete protein, meaning it has all the amino acids and it has high amounts of all of the amino acids

you hear about, the branch of the amino acids, glutamine, which is the most abundant amino acid and muscle, touring, which we just talked about. So way protein, like give yourself, make sure you hit your protein targets with food and if you can't, you know, like get yourself a good way protein.

Legion's got a great one. We work with their bases with that. And remind me again, because Legion specifically, because I believe it's stavia that they sweeten it with, instead of like a... They don't use artificial sweetener. It's not our official sweetener, but also too. Don't they have enzymes and digestible enzymes? Well, they use...

I know the one thing about Legion that I like is it's way protein isolate. So it's like just protein. Yeah. Very easily digestible. It's so much better for that reason. Unless you can't eat dairy, right? Do you know what else? Mike Carries that I didn't know that he carried is the, which I love for because I mix a

lot of like way like in food, like if I'm making pancakes or waffles or back before, we had creatures of habit, I'd mix it in my oatmeal. And like finding a good way protein, like the flavor that mixed with, he has the flavorless way. And not a lot of, not a lot of companies carry also, he has all kinds of crazy flavors that all are amazing, but then he has a flavor. I bet nobody buys that though.

Okay, well, let me sell it to you. So if you mix way protein in pancakes, waffles, oatmeal, and food, to cook with, yes, it is the best to get flavorless way protein. If you're gonna drink it, yeah, if you're a person who shakes it up with water or almond milk or whatever your thing is and then drinks it, well then yeah, get your fruity pebble flavor,

caramel salted crunch, whatever. But I, they have salty caramel. They do, it is bomb, it is good. But I think it's made that up. No, no, it's totally a real flavor. He's got the fruity pebble one too. That's a real flavor, right, bro? Yes, he's got a real flavor. It's like, yeah, fruity pebble or fruity cereal.

Fruity cereal is the name of his, and it's bomb. But I tend to mix way protein in food. I mean, we bake, we make homemade cookies that way, we do pancakes that way, we do waffles that way. Like I said, we used to do the oatmeal that way. So if you wanna do that, the best is to do a flavorless, so it doesn't change the flavor of the food that you're already currently eating.

What do you see there, Doug? They have all types of interesting flavors. Cocoa cereal, apple pie, banana bread, Dutch chocolate, birthday cake, chocolate peanut butter, cookies and cream, French vanilla, fruity cereal, honey cereal, mocha, capicino, pumpkin pie, salted caramel. Fruity cereal tastes like after you've had fruity pebbles.

The milk, the milk at the bottom. What? Yes, as a taste. I remember that as a kid. Yeah, I know. That's why it was like a such as a black card. Yeah, when I had it, I was like, oh my god, that brought me back to the church.

You know what I, do you know what I did once? What I went to Italy when I was 12 and my cousin, I mean, I'd never tried this before. So he would do cocoa, what was it? Cocoa crispies or whatever, the chocolate? Yeah. Oh, cocoa crispy, milk. Oh, this is the best.

Oh, no, no, no, he used chocolate milk with the cocoa. That's, that's, that's right. That's overkill. Yeah, he had that beaties now, but. Wow. That's bad. It's like when I used to make notchos out of, that's not's right overkill yeah he had diabetes now but wow I was like when I used to make not show that it's not showd to read it overkill yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but no but he used him to you that I work out so well for I know he doesn't have diabetes that was a terrible job but he's I felt bad for last

I know that's terrible. It's dark. But no, you said, do that. You buy chocolate milk and you mix it in there. I'd be like, my as a 12 year old, yeah. Oh, you could combine everything. You know what else he used to do? Then I went later on when I was 19, set this pointies in college.

And he goes, you ever have super espresso? I'm like, what? Because you know, college you guys stay up and whatever. So they would make espresso. Then they would use the espresso as the water for another espresso. So you know, like, oh my God. Yeah, dude.

Like super caffeine. That's gotta be like chewing on like the coffee bean. Yeah, that's what it takes like. Look at Doug, Doug likes he's such an espresso in the fish and auto, I just killed him right now. Yeah. How are you consistently using your, you know, million dollar espresso machine you have?

Not a million, guys. I use it every day. You do. Every day you use it. You push a button and it picks the organic beans and Columbia for you to bring it. Yeah, bro, Sam. It's great.

It's gorgeous. It's so strong and everything. I have a $90 special machine at home, you know? Yeah. I bought it on Amazon. That's not really an espresso machine. It's a, listen, I'm a tie. I can sell it one about it. You know, you know that? Yeah. I bought it on Amazon. That's not really an espresso machine. It's 80, listen, I'm a tie, and I can sell it one about it.

You know, Doug is so good, but remember, I don't know if I brought it up in the show or not when, and this was like, I think it was before playoffs, when Jimmy Butler, which by the way, made it all the way to the heat, made it all the way to the end, right? And he was flying on his private jet

with his espresso machine, and it was the same espresso machine. The same one that Ed had. Yeah, Doug has. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I showed you that. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, Ed had done. That does, that does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I showed you that. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, you saw that.

Yeah, you saw that. The exact same one as I have. It's all chrome looking, right? It's chrome, it's black and chrome this one. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm like, you know, you're just, yes, he's flying on his, he gets off the plane. I don't remember what city they're in,

plane another team, obviously. And he is carrying an espresso machine on. No, I'm not that serious. And I remember I was looking at it and explaining how ridiculous it was and Doug's like, that's the same espresso machine I also understand. Yeah, then I was like,

now I know that thing must be that good. If you guys, you know what reminds me of his space balls remember when like, he had to grab this. Well, no, he had to grab the suitcase. And in her suitcase was this huge hair dryer. Oh yeah. Investors frame. He read this face.

What a great movie. Come on. What a great movie. Doug, do you have a particular water that you use for espresso? I mean, I have reverse osmosis water, I guess. You know, it makes a big difference, too. Okay.

So my dad is very specific. Oh, okay. He uses crystal guys or water and he preaches the whole family. Yeah. It makes a huge difference. Oh, my dad, no, you have to use crystal guys or water and he preaches the whole family. Yeah, it makes it makes a huge difference. Oh my dad No, you have to use crystal guy. Did you make a crystal guy? No for the longest time I was right. I was making coffee From tap water and I could not figure out why my coffee was not tasty because I had moved to a new house boss

And the water is just tap water. Well, my thought what you're boiling it's so I'm like getting that's bad You're gonna boil you're gonna boil off something and it's not bad,. Well, my thought was you're boiling it. So I'm like, I think that's bad, you're gonna boil off. So I'm thinking it's not bad, but it changed the way the coffee tastes. Yeah, the coffee is in birch. You know, the thing is though, with the espresso machine, you can't have a high mineral water.

Otherwise, it will get a lot of calcification on the interior. On the machine. In the machine. So there's actually test strips you need to use to make sure your water's not too hard. And so I do that. However, having minerals may actually improve the taste You need to use to make sure your water's not too hard. And so I do that. However, having minerals may actually improve

the taste of the coffee, and here's a trick I've heard, and I've tried, is if you get crappy coffee, you take a pinch of salt and you drop it into the coffee, and it will improve the taste of your coffee. What? Yeah. Wow. I just learned something.

I'm crazy. Yeah, try it out. Try the crystal. It makes sense. I'll try it. My dad's all about yeah. Crazy. Yeah, try it out. Try the crystal gai-sense. I'll try it. My dad's all about it. I just want to, like, literally, stop talking about it. Okay.

Yeah, we have. That's what we, so when we found out it was a tap water, we used to, we always have bottled crystal gai-sert water at our house. So that's what we used. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it made a huge difference. As soon as we switched over to that,

I was like, oh my god, this whole time, I thought there was something wrong with our coffee because it was like the same coffee I was getting forever. And I couldn't figure out why it was bad and then Katrina started pouring the the crystal guys Are water in there and it was like oh shit. That's awesome. Yeah, that's okay. Dude, I got to talk about I've already Brom up by three different times just and now is going down the rabbit hole of Jonathan Hey, yeah, I think it's a mistake. I love this guy dude. I knew you would go crazy I wish he was around man man, when I was like,

and just sitting the back of the church, and then I would ask these really deep, esoteric questions, the pastors, and nobody had good answers for me ever, and could explain the why in terms of like, yeah, I get sort of the surface of a lot of these parables and a lot of these things, but like he just explains it on a level. It's just so distinctively, like I understand what he's talking about.

He gives this analogy. It's, I've sent it to 15 different people. He gives this analogy of the value of symbolism and rituals and how they create and cause integration in our behaviors and what we do. And he says, there's a period of time when you don't know why you're doing what you're doing, but you do it anyway because you're supposed to. But then you have an awakening.

And he uses the best example of ever in my entire life, Karate Kid. Mr. Miyagi. Mr. Miyagi, telling Karate Kid that, you know, what's his name? Wax R. Yeah, do all these things. Wax the car, paint the. Yeah, do all these things.

Wax the car, paint the fans, do all these different things. And he has no idea what he's doing. And he says in this video clip, he says, because you're too stupid to know. So just trust me and do it. And eventually all will be revealed. And he goes, this is the value that we've lost. This is the value of symbolism and ritual.

And because it's been with us for so long, we forgot. So we throw it all away, because we don't need that, we throw it away, and so he says we're lost because of that. Isn't that crazy? No, it isn't. The karate kid thinks it's great because it's like we just,

easy example. Yeah, because we should, we'll be shitting on that right now. Like, oh, painting the fence. How's that gonna help me with fighting? I'll just do chores for you. And you know, and you just see it for like, that it's immediate surface kind of value

instead of going through the process and like that's where you learn everything. Yeah, and I mean, how many times have you done that in your life where you look back and go, oh, that's, I'm so glad I went through all that. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to do this thing right here. But while you're going through it, you're like, I wish I wasn't doing this, this sucks.

No. I mean, so we parallels that to fitness and like your journeyman story. Oh, that's so good. It just, it all ties in though. I mean, like, it's so hard to articulate to somebody like the why of like, especially doing something that's difficult like that. Like, you know, going through and also trusting,

we say, trust the process all the time and that's sort of like a sort of catch phrase we have. But really, it's just like having to step in and have that faith in what you're doing that is going to end up in a better result. And you can't possibly know now because like he said, like you know, it's going to look like you're too stupid to know right now. So you just have that faith and do it, you know, which is great. All right, so this is not timely because this already happened by the time this air is, but I want to bring up what happened at the White House where they had the pride, you know,

was it like a March or parade? And they had the... Was it a protest or was it just a march and something? No, they were there to celebrate. They hung up the rainbow flag and everything and they had a transgender, you know, activist or person, you know, go topless in front of the White House. By the way, the White House came out and said,

you know, this is old news now, but they came out and they basically said, you are banned from coming back or whatever. The beginning of the backlash, I think. This is the beginning of the like, okay, this is going too far. You guys are, this isn't helping anybody type of deal. But the whole, here's what really makes me upset about all this. It isn't all that. Politicians are politicians.

They're always gonna pander. They're all bullshit. They're all this. It isn't all that. Politicians are politicians. They're always gonna pander. They're all bullshit. They're all fake. They only say what they say because they know their support and they're gonna get voted in. And if it's not that, if there is no support, nobody's got a spine. It's just the way it is, okay?

And I accept that, okay? I don't, bottom line. But here's what annoys a shit out of me. They, in the White House, or these big, you these big capital buildings, they hang the American flag and then they put the rainbow flag or whatever. Here's why that annoys a shit at me because the American flag is all inclusive. It's the most fucking inclusive flag in the world.

That's it. That's all you need. That's it. That means if you're gay, trans, straight, black, white, whatever, that flag is for everybody. We're in this together. And the idea of liberty, the idea that all, quote unquote, man were created equal, that, that right there, and although it hasn't been expressed perfectly in the past, that's what's driven us to be leaders in the world for all of these different things.

We need to move away from, like, what's happening? What's been happening now for the last decade or so is this division, division, division, division. We're going the wrong direction. Yeah. That flag and our anthem and this country, that represents everybody. Immigrants, man, women, children.

You know, that's it. We don't have to agree with each other, but we're all protected the same way and that's that. Yeah, everybody's people have different experiences, but we've got to stop this like, just the strange dividing that's happening. We're in backwards. That's my rant. Do you think that a lot of this stuff is really like the root of it is coming from our population? Or do you think a lot of it really is driven by politicians and media to divide and to conquer and to separate? Yes.

I don't run into a lot of these people. It's not. A lot of these are coming from a lot of this radical stuff that we see on both the left and the right that gets highlighted on Fox or CNN or on your whatever channel that you follow on social media, I just don't see a lot of that in real life. I just don't see a lot of that radical behavior in real life. I feel like that gets highlighted to intentionally.

It gets exploited. Cause, yeah, exactly. It gets highlighted to use it to divide us more. And I wonder that. Okay. And I know you're you're bringing this up because it's like, Oh, finally, are we finally to see this like backlash and push back from this? I mean, the, the, the, the, I don't know, if it's a realist or pessimistic attitude about it, I just, then we'll just find something else. We'll just find something else to divide us and separate. And like until people wake the fuck up,

okay, and really start to piece this together, it's like, you know, who knows what it'll be next, but this just seemed like it's the easiest way to divide it right now. There's my fear, my, because here's what happens. There's a, there's a, if a movement starts to gain steam,

it gets identified by politicians or by media and it becomes exploited. It gets infiltrated, because it gets used like a tool. It becomes wielded like a weapon. So here's my fear. Right now what we're seeing is what seems to be like this backlash against the extreme components of the LGBT community. Okay, we saw this with Target, we saw this with,

Bud Ryzer going a little too far, whatever. Now, you know, topless transgender people in the White House. Now, the White House finally came out and said, you are banned from coming back. What I'm afraid of is the backlash is gonna get infiltrated by people who are now not gonna say things like, hey man, stop, you stop, stop doing these shows

in front of the kids where you have to make it or whatever. Like that's inappropriate. Now what are they gonna start to do is say, hey, we need to band gay marriage again. Let's go backwards. That's what I'm afraid of. I'm afraid it's gonna fuel. It's, you can already see some signs of that.

Yes, not good. Yeah, so that's why I mean, exactly what you said Adam, we need to be very careful because it gets exploited exploited either way and there's there's there's I guess negative and evil on You decide yeah, and we need to be very careful even if we agree with some of the sentiment We got to make sure we stay awake and say wait a minute hold on. I don't support going that like you're going way too hard Well, and there's again to your point of like median what they choose to to kind of like hand pick out there in the environment. It's like there's groups out there that are like,

gays against groomers is a good example of that. It's just like people that are just like, I don't see where this is appropriate. If this is a very sexual presentation and like we don't subscribe to that. Like we're trying to live our lives, you say everybody else. And this is not something we're putting all of our emphasis towards and doesn't represent us well.

And so it's like, unfortunately, we're in this weird climate where everybody has to profess their values, profess their belief system, profess everything. Otherwise, it's gonna get manipulated, turn into something else. Yeah, and I think what we're experiencing is the last, you know, gasping or grasping for air, or you're dying breaths of legacy media. Probably. I think it's on its way out. Yeah. There's more and more people. It feels the most...

It can't die soon enough. But it's going to and it is. Everything is showing is pointing in that direction that it's in. I mean, you have the Tucker Carlson's who are leaving the Fox channel. Like you're seeing more and more of these big names that actually carry most of the weight with this legacy, legacy media are now leaving. And it's only a matter of time before everybody just agrees that like it all is trash. Yeah. Fox CNN all if it's on the new. I don't believe it. If it's on the news of time before everybody just agrees that like it all is trash.

Fox, CNN, all, if it's on the new, I don't believe it. If it's on the new, it's getting well close to, if it's on the new, if you tell me now, like honestly, that's actually how I feel like I already filter information. So if someone tells me something, I'm like, oh, where did you get that? Oh, I saw it on CNN or Fox, like automatically. Okay, I'm gonna go over here.

Yeah, to me, it hasn't been confirmed yet though. If you heard other news, to me, it's not confirmed now. Well, here comes a turd in the punch bowl, okay? Because we're getting to a point soon, very soon, where AI is gonna get so good that you're not gonna be able to tell what is real and what is fake and what people are gonna beg for. People are gonna beg for arbitrators of real, of authenticity, they're gonna beg,

please give us some kind of a regulation or certification that shows us that this is real because we can't tell anyone. So this is where I'm gonna give more power to less people, not less. Yeah, so I don't know. I feel more and more people, I mean, how many people do you guys know,

listen to the show that claim, and they've heard this, that say that they get their news from us opposed to watching the news, because we're, they've built a relationship and a trust with us that the way we're going, that their values and morals align with ours, so that we are going to filter whatever is being put out there before we just put it out before we just record the numbers. Look at the numbers of like Joe Rogan or like some of these big shows that are just like more free, speech free thinking type of shows. Like they get all, they get so many more subscribers, so many more views, but like the legacy

meet is one highlight. So let me, okay, so get fast forward again. Let's say for some reason we become this big voice and they want someone on the other side or whatever wants to attack us and they can create fake images or videos of us doing things that we didn't do. And now we have to go out and how are we gonna combat that?

People are gonna beg for arbitrators of authenticity and that's gonna give more power to less people. They're gonna beg the government. We need a seal of authenticity because we can't trust anything. So it's just gonna do this. So that pay attention to us, that trust us. And then fast forward like you were saying, maybe initially there's this like growing pains

of like people learning that like this shit that people start to do to, I mean, Candace Owens is going through it right now. She just got pulled off of her YouTube channel. It's like they're targeting her, doesn't even know why. It's like, so that's, it's already happening what you're saying, okay?

And they're putting out disinformation about her in order to cancel her. So pretty soon here, the people that are loyal to you and believe it, they're gonna believe what you have to say over what AI and everything else is put out. What if it can make you say what they want? And it looks the same. So what I'm saying is people are gonna beg for a way to know,

they're gonna beg for someone to create it. To say that are gonna be out there, like voicing our voices and saying things that they like. Sure, they'll have to be there'll be like security measures around platforms like let's say Spotify or YouTube. Like so the only way you get to hear information from us. So if it didn't come from our forms of self, that's right. Exactly. And they'll be value in being a platform that offers that. That's a great.

That's a great point. So that's a market response. That's right. You come over to Spotify great point. So that's a market response. That's right. You come over to Spotify and what we guarantee is that if it comes from Spotify, it came from that voice. Yes. And so we have put up, we have built it.

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I just, I just look, I just want people to, there's a couple of things here that you can do. One is activism should be about you actually going and helping someone, not being angry and yelling. That's, and it's also way more, Arthur Brooks talks about this, it's way more fulfilling, it's also helps more as well. So that's number one, and then number two,

it's unifying. Number two, there's dignity and respect that each individual deserves, and if they treat you shitty, they hurt you or whatever, they go after your kids and wonder, that's different. Now, then the game is on. But otherwise, like I had somebody tell me,

I was on a Twitter debate and someone was, or discussion and I was talking about these, these parents that bring their kids to these sexualized drag shows. I'm like, this is insane. What kind of parents do this? Well, what about parents who bring their kids to hooters? I said, they're stupid too.

Why is that making any difference? Yeah, I'm not defending that. Just because it's a dude, that's doing it versus a girl. Like, you take your kid to a club. Yeah, more like a show. Or, you know, it's the same thing. You're still like, what did you generate dad? Yeah, so like, you got to be consistent.

The difference though is that just to make me clear here, is that the parents had the option to take the kids to the hooters, which would be a stupid decision for them to do, where you're in a public school where they are forced to be at, and then they show up. So there is definitely a clear difference. Both parents are idiots, right? In that situation, who's advocating for these drag queens to read stories to five-year-olds of that, that's ridiculous. And so would be bringing your five-year-old or seven-year-old

to hooters. It'd be just as irresponsible. Difference is, that's a dumb choice that the parents make themselves to take them there, where some of these parents don't have the choice. They can't just do anything you know. Yeah, they don't have the choice. Can they school? That's the other thing that's kind of scary that's happening right now too,

is that some of this stuff is happening and just parents are just unaware completely. I've heard multiple stories of parents just not even knowing that, like, Oh, that's awesome. Again, like you see media is gonna like dismiss it and say this is all just like right We can conspiracy you know There's just a lot of information out there that like will will stifle you know anything that's actually happening or not or

Exaggerated on the other end too and say that's happening everywhere, you know, so it's it's kind of let it's very It's very much like what narrative you're seeking is you'll be able to find something. Yeah, and by the way, the public schools are losing students at record paces. You know, it's breaking records right now. How many parents are homeschooling? And the pandemic really boosted the shit out of that.

But parents saw what their kids were learning because they were at home. They're like, oh no, I'm pulling you out. Yeah, so it's like exploding right now. With some school districts actually not getting enough money because so many kids are pulling out. I mean, I hope that happens. I mean, again, that's back to your, the market response.

I hope the market responds that way and then that they have to course correct because they can't fund the schools anymore. Speaking to schools, kids, and students, did you guys hear about Starlink's new engineer they just hired? Mm-hmm. Okay, this is, I mean, this is, you want to talk about, I'm going to find the article because Starlink has in Elon Musk, yes, dude, you ready for this? 14 year old Kiron Quasi, Quasi, I think I'm saying his name right, from Santa Clara University, he's

a graduate, so he's about to graduate at 14 years old. Is he the one with three degrees? I'm going to let me see. I'm one kid. So he's 14 graduating from Santa Clara University and Starlink already is going to hire him as a full-time software engineer. Wow. At the age of nine. Well, he's already. Yeah. So let me hear you guys. What do you think, like think that through as a dad? What is your thought on that? Boy, that's right because he might have the intelligence and all that, but that's still a child. Oh, yeah, it's a child. To do my job, a full-time job.

That's right. And you can't tell me that he's not gonna be robbed of his young adulthood and childhood by going straight into being an engineer. That's a tough one. He's not gonna be robbed of his young adulthood and childhood by going straight into being an engineer. That's a tough one. He's not a normal kid. Yeah. Which, and then there's all his genius. He's brilliant. Yeah. So, he probably not stimulated like the rest of his peers. And maybe he really wants to do it. Maybe he's more stimulated. He's got the adults. There's no way they would force him into that, right? So, there's definitely that.

But then there's also, as a sick, this is mom calling for him. I mean, let's just play this is mom calling for him. I mean, okay, come to me. Okay, let's just play this out though a little bit. Okay, so you're the dad and you have the kid and he is. He's not forced to do this. He wants to do this. Like what's the conversation like for you? Are you encouraging him to go do that?

Are you telling him about the potential of what he's missing out? What are you saying to your genius kid who wants to go be a engineer at 14? I would have him do it. I would have him work way less than full time. Exactly. That would not be full time.

And then I would be barriers around it for sure. Yeah, and then I would encourage him to build and start something on his own. Yes, it's crazy creativity. That's what I would do. I would push that direction. I would put, like if you want to keep doing the engineering thing, you still, you want to level up, like instead of us going into a working a job, a nine to five at 14 years old

or something like that, let's build something together. You got to, if I have a kid that's that damn smart, with my experience of building businesses, like we're going to build something. We're going to create something together. I'm saying? Imagine how challenging this would be for as co-workers. Like you're in a meeting, you know, and you're like 30-year-old.

It's a 14-year-old. And then you say something correct, you see? Like no, actually that's the wrong code. You got a little gizmo hazard. No, we'll give you a wedgie. Just give me a second. I'm crazy not to, right? I mean, imagine the challenges that come with that too.

Because again, you're a genius when it comes to coding and things like that. But you're still a child. Social communication, leadership, you know. Just wisdom, maturity. Yeah, be able to, yeah, there's a lot of things that that person is gonna be, that kid is gonna be way behind on.

I wonder what, I wonder what that pan's out to be over the next four or five years. And I wonder how I would handle that as a dad. Is that even legal? Well, hold on a second. Can you even do a full time job at 14? With consent. You have to make a special. So he actually commented on this. What do you say? So he says, I think there is a conventional mindset that I'm missing out on my childhood. But I don't think that's true. I think again, that mindset would have me graduating middle school now.

And I don't think it makes sense for someone that's able to take rigorous graduate electives work in a prestigious co-op. I am joining SpaceX. I mean, you're good. I mean, he's like, you're holding them back, right? And then there's gonna be a resent there. So, yeah, that's a tough one.

I mean, he's, he's, yeah, I was gonna say it from the narrow perspective of intelligence and mathematics and code writing and like from that perspective, like absolutely you're right. Like let's push the education, let's let you go. Like I would never want my son who's in middle school who could be crushing college to be like, hold him back. We're like, no, we don't want to excel,

like let him accelerate, but there's a difference between accelerating your knowledge and learning and then going to work. Talk about how a work for another come, what an interesting way to rebel. No, you can't go to work. You can't. You never let me do anything, you know what I'm doing.

I just want to build a rocket. You guys are a lunchpale. Watch me get it. I'm gonna go work. You never let me do anything. You watch me. I just want to build a rocket. You guys have a lunchpill. Watch me dad. I'm going to go work. Oh my shuddy. Such a room. Yeah. I can't open it up. I mean, our team is he still break down and have like tantrums and she like that. Throw fence. It's 14. Yeah, you got it, right? You know, you're still going to have to like that. You can. So dad, make me a sandwich. Yeah. Oh my god. Hey, my son right now. So I promised that I would bring up anytime there's like difficult stuff.

So we are, I think I brought up not long ago that we got on the baby tracker thing and he's like, I shouldn't say baby's not a baby, but the tracker thing, right? So he's like going through this gross birth that's, you know, should be ending any day now. And this morning, I jump out of bed because I hear him like just having a meltdown. I can never hear that from him him and I'm like I get up and I'm like and I think like Katrina is just like Abandoning him or something because I'd never hear a meltdown like that

And I'm like what is she doing I get up and she's like left him like what what's going on there? She's like just let him be and I'm like what she's I what's going on is his banana broke What's going on is his banana broke? He gets pissed His banana broken house dude and he just a meltdown and I'm saying just was so kids are funny Yeah, not right and she's like there's nothing you can say to him right now There's nothing you can say to solve that other than maybe go get him a whole another banana downstairs Which I think it was the last banana so it's like it it's a lot. You can't stick it back on. Yeah, I can't stick it back on.

So one time I, one time I started, I broke it. Yeah. He really didn't see it because he'll do the same thing. Yeah. I broke, Jessica saw me, she goes, no. So I quickly held it with my hand and just fed him, like, so he's not gonna notice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's broke.

That's what, so I didn't even know that was a thing. I told you guys on the podcast, I don't know. It was like almost a year ago, I think when I first figured we were driving in my truck somewhere and I was giving him his banana, and that was my natural thing. It was like giving him my little two-year-old a full banana, I broke it in half and I broke it in half. And I was like, oh shit, what are you doing?

You know, I'm getting curious, like, oh no, you can't break his banana. He can't, I was like, well that was news to me. And I tell you guys, I have to sometimes peel a realist's chicken nuggets? Peel? Oh, he just like the fried skin. That's funny.

About peel it. I'm like, peel it. It was an apple. What am I peeling? He's like, tick skin off. I'm like, oh, okay. He's like, oh, it's healthy. He just got white nuggets, you know?

Nothing else. Like this is not the tasty part. What a fun thing. That's the brand new ingredient. That's hilarious. I know, dude. You got a peel. I tell you what, too, and shout out,

I probably don't do enough of shouting Katrina out for, but I did, I called her today after the fact because of all that. I actually got up, he never comes in on my side. He came into the bedroom and he actually crawled in on my side of the bed. And I thought, oh, that was interesting. He's never does that.

He either comes down the middle and then cuddles up with Katrina or goes to her side. He actually came to my side of the bed. And I thought, oh, that was interesting. He's never does that. He either comes down the middle and then cuddles up a Katrina or goes to her side. He actually came to my side and crawled in. And so, okay, here's an opportunity where I could be a good dad and I'll put him back down instead of having her get up because he actually came to me, right? Because normally he refused me to do it

and it turns, like, oh, it sucks for you. You know what I'm saying? He wants you, right? So he came to me and I'm like, okay, I should do the right thing. I should get up and I'll take him, right? So I took him to bed. But man, I don't, so back to my teasing me

about peeing sitting down like in Doug's story too, of falling asleep, sitting down there. When I get up to go pee, that's another reason why I do this is that I can stay almost asleep and like, plop down on the toilet, go pee, and then come back and then fall back asleep. If I wake up,

man, it's hard to go out. I'm fucking awake, man. And so I was up for like three hours in the middle of the night after I got up, I walked him to bed, I rubbed his back a little bit till he fucking. See you were done. And then I was, oh, so I'm like exhausted, man.

And then in the morning I hear him kind of breaking down and she totally like left me alone. And so I like I call there and I just said, hey, you know, I always do, I I told you guys whenever I tell her I love you that there's a reason what I'm thinking right. So I told her that she called. She says, what are you thinking about? Oh, I just want me to tell you. And then I told her, I said, I just appreciate that you just handle that stuff. And you don't ever say anything. You don't ever complain. You don't ever say it's your turn. Like it and I know a lot of

relationships they do that right. It's like, I got a last night. So it's your turn to get up this night. Like she handles all of that. And I don't ever have relationships, they do that, right? It's like, I got it last night, so cheer, turn it, get up this night. Like, she handles all of that, and I don't ever have to. And like, I was, I briefly had to have an example of what it was like to not have a good night's rest of doing that and realize like, oh my God, if I had to do that 50% of the time, I would be just a, you guys would hate me.

You think I'm a pain in the ass to do with it? I think that's why she doesn't, because you know what I'm saying. She's keeping the peace from us. She knows who I am. She's keeping the peace from us. She's the business together. I'm rather just trying to help you. It's like just you and us.

Yeah, no. We ran her text, just let him sleep. And I'm terrible about saying something. So I got to be better about that. You just take this off a granite. You know what I'm saying? With your partner sometimes those little things. Well, I have to share some news.

My, your pregnant? Wow. It's, it happened, you guys. No, it's point 23. No, my prediction, you know, with the whole AI being, um, some kind of the antichrist, there's a church in Germany that's now using chat GPT. To do its preaching? To do its entire service.

Oh my god. So it's so far right now, like the preachers used it, it's like 85% and so we'll prompt it and we'll actually like, but they follow to exactly, you know, each part of it from the hymns, singing to the actual format and the whole entire sermon is all written out through Chats UBT. Wow. It's just trippy, right? Like it's happening already.

The takeover's gonna be so easy because they're gonna have everything already. Cause now you're just a guy standing up there, take it away. Wow. And it's like, why be the guy and then just go right to the machine. I've actually already used it for that before. So there's been times already, I've used it twice like that where I wish I remember,

and I have it in my notes. So I'm able to look it up for the audience to figure out what it was. But there's something like the Katrina and I were challenged with. And I'm like, you know what? I'm the Bible versus slipping me. That's like so good for this thing. And so I actually did chat GBT. I said, what does the Bible say about X, Y, and Z?

And give it to me in the top 10 or like that. And it listed out and was like beautiful. Like it gave me all 10 of the different verses and the meaning behind all that. And so, the power of that thing is incredible. You know that there's some women? I see what they're doing. You know, there's some women that are having that have AI boy and so, I mean, the power of that thing is incredible. So, you know that there's some women, I see what they're doing, you know? Yeah.

There's some women that have AI boyfriends already, right? Do you guys know this? Doug, look up. Doug, look up women with AI boyfriends. There's these, there's, there's women that are, like, they'll consider their AI their boyfriend because it talks to them and understands them. He really listens. You really listen to him.

Yeah, absolutely. Did you find a Doug? Yeah. Did the employees they have? What does the article say? The screen's not up. I'm sorry, I'm pulling it up here. No worries.

Yeah. So it's already started, you know? And this is without a form, like a physical form. Yeah. I mean, you add a physical form now. Well, isn't that, I mean mean that's obviously that's a factor, but it's not one of the highest factors, you know for women in terms of like you know What that's why it's really seeking yeah when they're physically safe for men. That's like that's not gonna cut it Sheeran like chat about things

chat about things. Stop talking. It's not extreme. What is that? Hey, it's so great. What does that say? What does that say there? Something called man of your dreams for $300. It sells an AI companion that will never die, argue, or cheat.

Oh, wow. Except if you stop paying it. That's like the selling point on it. It's so bad. Hey, there's, I mean, see, women falling in love with their AI boyfriend. That's an article Wow, don't get bored. You have to like every now and then you make one like cheat. I mean all of this to me just I mean guy all this to me is

I mean, there's parts that were like oh my god. It's so surprising But it's like it just is falling right in line with the unplug plug theory. I just think that like I can refer to your theory Is that fear? Yes, I don't make it like And you know why if I don't say enough if I don't say enough what'll happen it'll happen We'll be like whoa this is crazy. I've been saying that for years on this spot years. I've been saying that It's gonna be called that it's gonna be plugged in and you know what you need to name it something That's what I plugged in an unplugged it'll be good. No, that's how they're gonna call it They're gonna call it plugged in an unplugged and And that's how to be like, are you sure? You're a Bruce Willis was in that movie. Was it the one that?

That's a, Shit, it's right at the tip of my tongue. Chad Gbt would not know. Speak great about Bruce Willis. That's a, that's Chad Gbt. No, you know which one it is. Yeah, I do. I mean, you know what he's talking about, right?

Where it's all, Bruce Willis is like, you lay in these chairs and you're plugged in all day long and you live in the virtual world. Yeah, like you. You use Willis? Yeah. Yeah, it's called. Is this the one where you get taxi driver

in the future, is that something else? No, that's something else. This one is called, God, that's fifth element. Fifth element. Yeah, no, that's good. Yeah, this one, I mean, and I actually think it's one of the better depiction

of what I think is going to happen, which is not. Yeah, this one, I mean, and I actually think it's one of the better depiction of what I think is going to happen, which is this kind of, everyone will still have these kind of home, like player one, player one is it's a little more dystopian, right? It's like this, like, you know, everyone stacked on trailer park, whatever. But this is more like you have normal homes, but nobody goes outside.

See, here's why I think you need to name it something different. I don't think the plugged in are going to be called anything. I think they're going to be just normal. Yes. And then it'll be,'ll be unplugged. You're gonna have a name. Those are the weird ones. Like, oh, you're one of the unplugged. Whatever. Oh, wait, wait, wait, what is it? Manual. No, organic. You're organic. How organic. What is it? Is this surrogate? Yes, surrogate. Just what's it called? You play electric guitar or acoustic or is there another term for that where there's no electricity? Why do you need to call it?

Custin unplugged or acoustic? It's just acoustic, acoustic is anything. I like organics, organics, I like organics. Oh, you live organically, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you're an organic, huh? Yeah, yeah. How can you tell?

Your face is freaking good. Acapella is not your thing of it. It was acoustic, was what he, I think that's what you were trying to do. To elute you. I mean, it might be some different hammer Whatever, but I mean it's I'll come up with a name. I feel like it's good. It's credit for it Man sell hit it right on the head

I'm a capella. He's auto tuned Hey, did you guys you guys hear what happened? Don't change Hey, did you guys, did you guys hear what happened? Wow, don't change. It's just awesome. That just happened right there. It became younger. A little bit more.

Hey, if you haven't watched Sergei, did you watch it? It's a worthwhile job. Did you guys hear what happened in San Francisco, the West Cape? Yes. Oh yeah, because I was bringing this up. So they got, they're shutting down

because they already closed down Nordstroms. Yeah. Nordstroms left, right? And it was because it was, because of the fact that per month, like what was their nut? It was like 500 something million. They had to make no foot traffic.

There's none. I'm trying to look it up right now. Okay, so that's what happened. It was no foot traffic. It wasn't actually theft. I thought it was theft. Well, nobody's up there buying anything. Nobody wants to be there.

Yeah, why is foot traffic down? There's theft, there's drugs, homelessness, homeless shiver. Yes, so they're gone. And they follow lots of retailers that have left, Amber Cumbian Fitch left. You know what's weird about that? You bring them.

Whole foods shut down. It's a very obvious glaring problem. And it's like the whole city's decaying and it looks like it's going to be honest with you to Detroit. And like some people, you bring it up and they like, don't wanna like acknowledge it or admit that it's like a completely disintegrating failing.

Well, I mean, it's because you're literally insulting their home, that's why. Dude, it's awful, there it is. But I mean, imagine you're committed, right? You're on your own to home there for 20 years, maybe you're on your second generation of living up there. Then why aren't you fighting for change? Why aren't you actually like trying to implement things that are gonna clean up the city, bring back, law, order, get rid of all of this, like just complete destructive behavior.

Yeah, so banana republic left, you said north from left. Yeah, I saw the motion. Yeah, so the occupancy of the center went down to 55%. By the way, I've never seen it look like this. I think commercial vacancies in San Francisco wasn't like over 30% or so. It's higher than I think. I mean, that's, you know what that means?

You can't recover. That's what that means. That there, you wouldn't be able to recover because you reach a certain point you can't recover. That's what that means. You wouldn't be able to recover because you reach a certain point, you can't even fix it. The manager or major hotel changes pulled out too. They audit, they audit, switch it to frickin' whatcha'ma call it to,

like a homeless shelter, so change all that office space to a homeless shelter and get them up off the street or something. Well, if it's a figure out something, you gotta have medical services. You can't just shelter. If we need to be worse than them being on the street. We need mental health facilities to accommodate.

Did you see, since you brought up real estate, I actually, if I tell you guys this, did you see what Blackstone just put together a fund of 31 billion to go buy and outs and buy enough properties? Again. Yeah, dude. I mean, if they infuse $31 billion in buying up properties over there like could we actually not see this this housing market really go down much? How how how long how long do they strings I mean we may just be well nobody wants to get out of their house

Everybody's a hell of equity so they could raise interest rates all they want and people are like I'm not you see that I posted I posted that the other day of the amount, I'll show you the stat on. Did you see that Justin? I think I shared it with Sal, I don't know if I shared it with you. There, here it is right here. So 67.6% have paid their mortgages off or have at least 50% equity, almost 70% of people have.

So they're not going anywhere. Yes, have 50% or more equity means there were houses where double the what they have of an end or it's paid off. Then there's another 20 or now excuse me, another 32.4% mortgage homes with less than 50% equity and then 38.7 on excuse me. And then another 28.9% mortgage homes with greater than 50% equity.

It's like insane. There's no, and then if you.9% mortgage homes with greater than 50% equity. It's like insane. And then if you have a loan, there's no way you would get into a loan that's seven, eight% interest when you're sitting on that much equity and a three, four, five% loan. What do you think they're doing? It's low-ranking. It's stats right now in terms of people selling homes

right now numbers-wise, because usually right now, while it's getting into summer, that's when like, yeah, so we're, I mean, so they go off of like a rolling inventory to tell you of like how much where we are and so with that. And you wanna have like six months when you wanna see, when you see it come the other way,

we still, like in the Bay Area, have like three months of inventory for homes, which is still a shortage. Yeah. So we still have the, and that's part of why we have the shortage of. One, we underbuilt for the last decade, and then in addition to that, you have people that are just are not going to sell right now.

Now, you would think that they would potentially reduce rates to stimulate, but what you might just see is you might just see, you won't see the rates go anywhere. What you might see is big funds come in and buy a best, buy a throughout state, which would just just just to just drive it up even further. So we just might be moving to a new time of renting. Yeah, everybody's a renter and if you're not a renter, if you own, it's a two million dollars

to get in on a property or whatever like that. So. Yeah, you know what's cool is on the Airbnb front or whatever, you know, a lot of people, we know this, Adam, I showed you this, or you maybe you showed me, a lot of people are buying land and Building like fancy like Yerts

Intense and shit and they're renting them out like crazy and people are doing for vacation. I'm making killing I've seen that yeah, they're not even houses. They're just like it's a fancy tent No, they buy like a glamping piece of property out in the middle of nowhere It has like a pond in the middle and then throw like five or six, you know, fancy yurt around it and some running water. No charge like $500 an hour. I love it as a business idea. I think it's a great strategy right now. Totally.

So, organify mentioned is coming up here and I want to say something. I don't think we've communicated very often, which is that their products are actually third party tested for glyphosate residue. They're glyphosate residue-free, so glyphosate is what they spray on GMOs, but also oftentimes you can get organic products that are organic, but because the plants or whatever were grown next to conventional plants or farms, they get glyphosates on them. Well, I haven't seen that marketed from other companies. Is that, are they unique in,

because it's harder to control? It's easier to control organic and say you're organic. You have additional testing for glyphosates. Yeah. So they test their stuff for glyphosate. Now, glyphosates, why don't you want glyphosate residue? Could glyphosates kill weeds? That's what they exist.

They act on something called the shikamati pathway, which is also present in bacteria. So not yourselves, but the bacteria in your body, in your gut can get influenced by glyphosates. They almost connect like a mild antibiotic. So you want to make contribute to poor gut health. You want to stay away from going back to the gut. Well, isn't that the theory on what makes GMO really bad?

Because there's a lot of genetically modified foods Yeah, these come out Z by odd Z by odd it gives a GMO right so there's not not everything that's GMO is technically quote unquote bad No, no, no, no, but and but where most of the it's the the glyphosate that they douse them in right that's the thing that you got to watch out for Right, it's not the corn. It's the fact that they spray shit out of the corn Is it an insecticide or herbicide? Glyphosates are herbicide. herbicide. Yeah, and they kill plants through a pathway that doesn't exist in the human body, so they're

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All right, back to the show. Our first color is Olivia from Florida. Hi, Olivia, how can we help you? Hi guys, thank you so much for having me on. I'm really excited to be here. I just wanted to say thank you and a quick Testiment to how awesome you guys are and how much you know your stuff. My fiance was a long distance runner for years. Ran for a D1 school would run like 100 miles a week said he would never give up running. I hate running

So I was like, let me get you hooked on mine pump and wait, let's do it. So I converted him over. We ran anabolic together and this guy just hit 2.25 for bench in like three months of training and I'm still struggling to do a plate so but it's fine. Wow. That's awesome. I'm going to say thank you guys for that because now I don't have to go on runs with them. Awesome. Awesome. No problem. Okay, so I'll give some background info with my question, because I think it'll make a little bit more sense. But basically, my question is how I can train around a busy schedule while maintaining strength gains and compound lifts.

So I'm 23, 5 to about 125 pounds. I ran in a ballac from January to March, and I loved it, increased my strengths and all the big three lifts, and definitely put on muscle, especially my pods and glutes, because I need to get new scrub pants and jeans now. I'm a veterinary medicine student and I'm starting clinical rotations and we rotate through different specialties in the hospital every two weeks. So starting Monday, I'll be rotating through our medicine specialty, which is pretty time-consuming.

The hours are about 6.30 a.m. or earlier to like 7.30 p.m. or later depending on the case load. And I'll be on that for four weeks Monday through Friday and possibly weekends. And then I get a four week break of a more normal schedule like 8 to 6. And then I'll have another four weeks going through surgery, which is the same as medicine like kind of 6 a. like 7am or 8pm. So I won't really have time to commit to foundational workouts on those days. I wanted to start performance because I know the flow is typically in a ball like performance and then aesthetic and also I haven't trained performance style and probably about a year and a half, two years and I've been training full body style

since January and before that, I spent a whole year training split style. So I feel like my body probably would benefit from that challenge, but I just can't really start that until later in the fall, and then I figured I could do aesthetic in the spring when my schedule lightens up a little bit. So for the time being, I wanted to get your guys' advice on how I can continue to challenge my body in new ways, especially while not losing strength in my compound lifts because I'm kind of worried about that a little bit.

Yeah, this is an easy answer, Olivia. We have a program that would be perfect for you. Maps 15, do the advanced version. Basically, you'd be doing about 20 to 25 minutes a day of compound lifts and exercises. So you show up the gym or if you have a barbell at home, about 20 to 25 minutes every day, you're doing maybe two exercises and you're not just going to keep your gains, you're probably going to get stronger by following that.

As long as nutrition is good and as long as you're getting good sleep, I know it's stressful what you're about to do. so that could always throw a wrench, but you'll love it. You're gonna be, and then when you're ready to do a more traditional workout, then I would switch to mass performance, but mass 15 advanced version, done deal. It's centered around two compound lifts a day, basically.

And so, and the way you can run it, so if it's a really busy, stressful week, you can keep the workouts just short the 15, 20 minutes. If you find a day where you have a day off or you're well rested, you can actually combine the next workout together. So if you want, if you want to run it for 40 minutes, we, we wrote it in a way where you could stack it too. So it's like, you have that flexibility of, when you're in a time crunch, when you're not quite as rested, you can run just a 15, 20 minute version

when there's times where you're like, oh, I gotta hold, it's a weekend. I don't have any work to this weekend. Like I wanna do a full hour type of workout. You can combine two of the workouts and run it like that. So there's some flexibility in it, but running that. And since you already own performance,

it's the only other thing that I would say potentially to add if you have like these days where you've got some days off or you're really rested and you're like, I wanna do a little more, it'd be mobility stuff. Because you recognize that you've already been running kind of a body builder and split type of routine and full body, you're probably neglecting some mobility work.

And so we have that in performance. So if you want to add an extra day in there or something, where you're doing something, I would do the mobility sessions that are in performance to complement Maps 15 until you get back to your normal schedule. How long have you been working out consistently with string training?

Probably about three years now. You're gonna probably get stronger with mass 15 then. You're probably gonna, this is gonna, it's likely to be not just something that keeps you strong, but you probably are gonna see yourself get stronger. That happened to me. When we created the program and I ran it, I hit new lifts, new lift PRs,

and I totally did not anticipate that. So that's probably going to happen. At the very least, you're going to feel good. Yes, the frequency element. I think people don't realize how effective that is and just how much you can get just enough and then recover and then just keep that momentum going. But it's definitely not just a preservation type of a workout routine.

It's definitely something that a lot of people have gained from. Yeah, the only thing I'd say is just decide if you want to do it in the morning or after work. That's it. Yeah, I'm definitely like a morning movement type of person. I'm so used to like getting up at like 5 a.m. and going to the gym.

And I feel like if I don't get that movement and if I don't feel like I'm lifting as heavy or pushing myself the way I want to, I'll tend to like freak out and I'll want to over correct for it. Yeah. Because I have some bands at home so I didn't know if I should just switch to bands to save time in the mornings. Like if there's a morning where I have to be there like 5, 30 or 6, I was like well maybe

I could do some bands but I know like long term I would just be itching to get back and like 530 or 6. I was like, well maybe I could do some bands, but I know like long term, I would just be itching to get back and like lift them heavy stuff. So it would take a lot for me. Literally, this is what you do, okay? Literally, you shower, this is a 20 minute workout, okay? So you're not even gonna sweat much. Shower, get everything set up, drive to the gym, do your 20 minute maps, 15 workout,

and then go straight to work. Okay. Yep, you'll be set. And for those, the massive team workouts, I also have prime. So I do like a couple of just movements beforehand before I've been doing my list. And sometimes that takes me like 10 to 15 minutes.

Would I just be able to cut that out and just go straight into the lift? It depends how good your movement patterns are. Um, so if you've got really good movement patterns and the exercises are not ones that are like really challenging for you to get into, you could do one or two warm-up sets of an exercise, and then you're gonna be okay.

The people that that, yeah, people, that wouldn't work if you're like, man, when I squat, I get hip pain, where I really need to make sure I can deadlift right because I tend to hurt myself. In that case, I would say, you know, make sure you do the priming, but if you feel good and you're okay, like one or two sets of warm up and get into the workout, you can even just reduce it down to one of those mobility exercises and do that beforehand. You know, the most effective one that you need and then to like throughout the day, it's gonna be just as effective if you find a moment to just perform that

like for five minutes or something to break up, you know, whatever you're doing throughout the day, it's going to be just as effective if you find a moment to just perform that like for five minutes or something to break up, you know, whatever you're doing throughout the day, that's going to play, that's going to do very well for you. Okay, that makes sense. I'll probably be able to do the warm ups that's maybe just like drop the weight a little bit to connect to the muscle and then go to the foot. That's it. Yeah, exactly. Cool. So if you don't have mass 15, we'll send that to you, okay? Awesome. Thank you guys so much. No problem when you get married by the way. Oh 2025. I want to graduate that school first and get all my ducks in a row. All right. It's good for you. Smart. Yeah, congratulations. Get it. Thank you. Thank you guys so much. You got it. Yeah, you know, it's funny. We wrote Mass 15, right? And how many DMs do we get from people who are like,

I didn't think I'd hit PR. I don't think I'd build muscle like this is crazy. All the time. Yeah. I keep getting them. Yeah, it's strange. And again, I think that people underestimate the frequency component.

I also think it highlights something else that we have communicated on this podcast and we've admitted ourselves that we're guilty of this is obviously if you listen to a fitness podcast, you probably like fitness. You're probably and probably a good percentage or even probably fitness fanatics like us. They could benefit from me. And we tend to we tend to overreach and over train and not count all the other stress in our life. Family member dies, school tests, work grinding like crazy. Oh, and then I'm crushing the gym too. And it's, school, test, work, grinding, like crazy. Oh, and then I'm crushing the gym too.

And it's like, you know, I think a lot of people didn't realize that maybe scaling back the workout that would not hinder the results in fact, and accelerating a lot of people. You know, she brought up something else that we don't talk too much about, like an example of like where I cut out like my mobility stuff and I think you guys answered it perfect and it's like so if I'm if I'm gonna squat and you said it's like that's a movement pattern where I have to do

combat stretch I've got to do like a quick zone one thing and prime up or back to to to perform a really otherwise my low back will be feeling it my hips will be feeling it and I'll pay for it afterwards it's like it's a non-negotiable. But I can go into a deadlift cold. I can go into even, all right. Now, does that mean that I wouldn't benefit from doing prime movements? Absolutely, I would benefit.

But I can go into those movements. You can warm up with the movements. That's right. There's certain movements that are just, I absolutely have to prime in order to get myself in a favorable position. Then there's other movements that I can, it's, it would be ideal for me still to prime,

and if I have the time, I'm definitely doing it, but if that's something where I'm like, shit, I'm crunched on time, it's okay, I'm deadlifting today, I can get right into that movement. So. Next color is Carrie from Indiana. Carrie, what's happening? How can we help you? How you doing, guys?

Nice to see you. Good, man, thank you. Thanks for taking the time to have me on today. I really appreciate it. You got it. How can we help you? Well, just to kind of give you a quick file. So I, uh, I'm sure you've heard this story about a million times

over your guys' years of training, but, um, I, uh, I'm divorced. No kids over the last few years, especially during COVID, put on a ton of weight, just been a rougher years, like everybody else. Currently 45 years old and 510, 305, started working out seriously for the first time about three or four months ago. And last but not least, 20, 25 pounds since then.

And currently I am doing 170 grams of protein per day, 2400 calories. You're almost all my foods, some whole foods, kind of took that advice from you guys as far as trying to stay away from the restaurants, with seed oils and whatnot, so you guys have taught me. And I've quickly learned just kind of like going through podcasts and I thought you guys would be much going to get into the gym and just love how much I've learned so far and I'm going back and listen to old episodes and just really appreciate everything you guys put out there.

So I just wanted to say thanks for that. I'm just kind of at a point where I want to make sure that I'm getting everything I can out of my efforts and I don't really know where to begin. I know I love you. There's so many like maps programs and things out there that are available and I love, listen to some of the, a lot of the callers talk about different programs but I'm not really sure like what would be best for me. I do have limited mobilities and just because of my weight I feel like it can't be touched my toes like sometimes and hamstrings are tight from

lifting lately and but I will say that like I said I was about 20 to 30 pounds so far I'm stronger than I'd ever been I'm getting PRs all the time because I'm listening pretty heavy. You know I hear you guys talk about reverse dieting versus cutting, hit versus on two cardio's, or just walking. I hear you guys talk about high reps versus low reps. I'm not really sure how where to begin and how to, I guess how to start this journey.

Yeah, well, you came to the right place for sure. And congratulations on your initial 20 pound weight loss. Thank you. Yeah, so what does your workout look like now? How many of you do you go to the gym? How long do your workouts? What are the exercises you tend to do? Yeah, to come to do a three day split,

where like push pull legs. I'm walking about 60 minutes on the other four days. I work out to consist of usually about six exercises, about 18 reps anywhere between and the low end like six reps if I'm trying to lift heavy first set or up to like 10 or 12 reps for you know some of the other sets. Largely I haven't really gotten much into like some of the other sets. Largely, I haven't really gotten much into some of the core. It says that you guys have talked about as far as squats or anything like that. It's more of a bench overhead press. Yeah, most of the machines for legs currently, more of the kind of a beginner workouts that I found online. Okay, Carrie, can you do a deadlift in a squat,

in a barbell squat? Are you, have you tried that? I was in. Okay, maps down to Bologna would be the perfect program for you, but I would start you in pre-phase and I would do pre-phase for about six weeks, maybe eight weeks, a six day weeks, and then move to phase one and then follow the program.

I think that'll be perfect for you. Okay. By the way, what you're doing right now is not bad. Yeah, you're okay. You're actually doing okay, right? Which is why you're seeing great results. I think the only thing I would add, I might, I would probably bump your protein to like 200 grams.

Exactly what I was gonna say. So I'd probably, I'd push you up a little bit on it, but that's about it. I mean, like, you're, so that will also bring your calories to probably about 2600 calories or so. So I would love to put you on maps and a ball, like Sal said, that new stimulus, especially with the squatting and deadlifting, new movements in there right now, with an increase in grams of protein,

I think you're gonna see yourself continue to build muscle and continue to speed your metabolism up, which would be the main focus, I think, for the next probably six to eight weeks. Like he said, I love that direction. That's it. The other thing I would do, but you're doing great, bro. You are.

And the other thing I would do is I would track your steps every day. Which I do do that. Okay, so what are you averaging on a daily basis? It kind of, I mean, honestly, like the four days that I'm walking in between my lifts, I get a lot more steps, but I'm average, probably about eight to 10,000. Okay. Good. So try to see if you could hit eight to 10,000 steps a day

without the treadmill. That would be the one piece of advice I'll give you. Now here's why, there's nothing wrong with the treadmill. You're walking, there's nothing wrong with it. But long term, if we're gonna try and create habits and behaviors in a lifestyle that's sustainable, because here's the challenge, I'm gonna be honest with you. I know right now you're thinking the challenge is to lose the weight.

It's actually not gonna be the challenge, the challenge is gonna be keeping it off. Now they're both hard, but if I were to compare the two, losing the weight is significantly easier than keeping it off. Nobody keeps it off, like maybe five to 10% of people are able to do it because what they do is- There's actually the third time I've tried to lose the weight. I've lost 100 pounds twice in my life already. Oh wow, Okay. So you know. You know that. Okay. Yeah. So yeah.

First you time that I didn't do it, the health we have trying to do it the right way this time. You are so far. Stay on this. And so rather than then then walking on a treadmill and getting those steps, see if you can challenge yourself to do it just throughout the day. Okay. So what does that look like? In experiment with this. Literally, you go to the store, throughout the day. Okay, so what does that look like? In experiment with this, literally, you go to the store, park far away. You gotta use the bathroom in the building, use the one on the third floor, take the stairs.

You're in your chair, let's say you're watching TV, be like, you know what, I need to get some more steps, walk around while watching, like small things, it start what happens, you start to develop different behaviors, and it's, you're more likely to be consistent with something like that, then you are to stop, get on a treadmill for 60 minutes, something like that. So that would be pretty much it.

And then the protein, 200 grams a day from whole foods, eat the protein first if you're not doing that already. So whenever you look at your food, your meal, whatever the protein is, eat that first then move to the rest. That helps control cravings. It helps with satiety, it helps with blood sugar, and it's another great behavior to learn. What will happen over time is as you start doing that, that's how you're going to prefer to eat. So when I was a kid growing up, we always

ate the starches first, but then when I got into fitness, I ate the protein first. Now I always eat the protein first. No matter hate, I'll always eat the protein first. No matter what, I just the way I prefer to eat. So it's another kind of behavior training tool. That would be the other thing I'd say, but, but that's pretty much it. And then when we give you maps and a ball, pre-phase and perfect form is the priority.

Perfect form. Okay, so it's all right to lift heavy, it's all right to go hard, but do not compromise your form even a quarter of an inch Okay, because what the what you want to do over time is practice perfect movement and that's gonna pay back dividends Here's how we're gonna make sure of that okay We're gonna make sure that when you lose this hundred pounds this time that you keep it off forever And we're gonna I'm gonna have Doug put you in the private form also. And then what I, my, my ask of you is that when you start going through the map, Santa Ball program and you're squatting in your deadlifting,

share the videos with us and tag us so we can help you with the form and technique. Make sure you're staying on point with all that and just check in with us, continue to check in with us through your progress. That's what that form is there for. It's an incredible community of a bunch of people like yourself that have gone through most of the programs and then us and make sure you stay in touch with us and we'll make sure that you not only lose this but you keep it off forever. Awesome. That is exactly what I'm looking for. I mean, I just want to get leaners and I want to, but I want to need strong. I don't want to just be skinny like I was before.

You're doing it right, bro. You're already doing it right here. That's it right here. Yeah, you're doing it. You're already doing it right right now We're just gonna make sure you stay on the stay on the course Awesome that is fantastic advice. I really appreciate it guys. You got it brother. All right, Carrie. Yeah, thanks for calling in man Thanks a lot you guys have a great that Wow, I'll tell you what when he said that he's lost 100 pounds twice. Crazy, right? And now he's trying again. Like, I want people just to understand that. That is a big deal because what tends to happen when somebody loses a lot of weight and

gains a back, they never try again. They never try, or they'll try second time. And if they try second time and fail, which often happens, then they're done forever. So deflating. The fact that he's trying again is a testament. That's really, really good. And has the discipline to be patient. Yes. And do it the slow right way.

Because people tend to not do a better second or third thing. Yeah, yeah. No, you just get more extreme. Yes. Typically people that do this, the second, the third, the four, how many times they do this. They work that time, go with the preparation. They do, they just keep upping the extreme diet or the extreme exercise routine to do that. So the fact that he's had the mental discipline and fortitude to actually slow this process

down. He's doing a great job. And what's great is he's only been doing machines for lower body when he starts squatting and lifting. Oh, it's gonna be a world opened up. Yeah, increase that protein and take a little bit. He's gonna pack on some more muscle. That metabolism and get roaring. He's on the right track, man.

So I'm excited to stay in touch with him in the form. Our next color is David from Minnesota. David, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, guys, I just have a question for you and I thought it was a pretty good one. I work from home, so my spine tends to get compressed, and I know that certain things like walking and pull ups and dead barhains help, I still want to lift weights.

And common sense tells me that chest press and shoulder press are not a good idea while you're trying to be decompressed, but do you have other exercises that are safe to do in the meantime? Yes, and now you left. I'm reading your question here, so there's an important factor that we want to consider when we answer this. So it says in the question that you have several, several, see, bro palsy. Is that correct? So cerebral palsy? Yes. Okay. Okay. So now I'm going to give you a general answer that's true for anybody. Any exercise that you can perform with good control and stability is safe. Any exercise.

Now specifically exercises that may help the spine, I like the ones that you're already doing. I also like you that you're already doing. I also like you sitting on things that require you to activate your core a little bit. Like a fisioball might be okay, or they sell certain chairs that require you to be a little stable. And there's also standing desks

that can help with that as well. And that's just, I mean, I advise that for most people anyway. And it does make a difference because it does require you to maintain yourself with different stability versus like, just kind of sitting into the chair. That makes perfect sense.

And for more context, I'm an accountant who works from home. So that's pretty sudden, Terry. Yes. Yep. Also, what do you think about like bands and suspension trainer and stuff like that? Oh, I mean, amazing. Do you go to a jammer?

Do you work at a home? I work at home. I do have like a local gym nearby, but... What is your set up? Mostly the system, yeah. Yeah, what do you have? I've got adjustable dumbbells, like the... What's it called?

The Dumbler, that Norwegian Dumbler, where you fit plates on. got adjustable dumbbells, like the, what's it called? The Dumbler, that Norwegian Dumbler, where you fit plates on, it's got the magnetic clips, I've got that. And I've got every band you can imagine, and a full bar drawer attachment and a dipstand. Oh, you know, what would be symmetry would be really good to map, well, I would go map starter. Yeah, I would just do map starter I do have any of our programs. I do that. I was wondering which one would be like the best to get first because I thought since I have all the bands maybe bands would be good but

Starting from step one might be a good idea. I'm gonna give you the experts. I'm gonna give you a map starter Yeah, I'm gonna give you a map starter. We'll give you bands. You could do that later. It would be great Yeah, but start with map starter I think that would be the right program and then remember what I said right if you can do an exercise and you feel Like you've got adequate stability and control and mobility then it's safe Yeah, so any exercise could be dangerous and any exercise can be safe based off of those standards. So. And the goal that I'm doing with you, David,

if you're my client is I'm always challenging form technique, tempo, stability, before I add load. So let's say you and I are doing an overhead press and you're like, Adam, I'm kicking ass at this. They were doing, say, 90 pounds over your head and you're like, we're super happy. And you're like, I can do more. I'm they were doing, say, 90 pounds over your head and you're like, we're super happy. And you're like, I can do more. I'm gonna go like, okay, what I want you to do

is stabilize at the top, slow down the negative. And I'm gonna make that 90 pounds even heavier, more challenging, without adding load. So think that way too. So as you progress yourself through the movements in any of the programs that we have, before you just jump to adding more weight, because you know you can do more weight

Challenge yourself by slowing down the tempo or adding a stability component to the movement That's going to serve you much more than just adding 10 or 15 hours to bar totally That's that that would be all the focus. Yeah, if I was training 100% have you went how long have you been doing strength training? I've been doing strength training since I was about freshman in high school Especially with cerebral palsy it sort of a game changer when it comes to just coordination and balance and like certain things that used to knock me over Before I started lifting legs did not like that for example It's it's It's 100% the game changer for someone like yourself.

100%. You're training, when you're doing strength training, a lot of people think they're training their muscles, and you are, but you're training your central nervous system as much or more. Yes. And that stability and that control factor is what I want you to focus on when you're following MAP Starter. So when you look at the exercise and you do it,

go with the weight that is lighter, and then try to make it heavier by doing a slower, more controlled, right? Add that muscle tension too. So that slow tempo is everything, but really too to really kind of squeeze and connect to those muscles as you hold in full extension and then slowly bring it back down.

It's just gonna do do wonders for you. So yeah, and then we'll send you maps, bands. That's a band related to workout as well. But I think map starter is a place to start. All right. Stay in touch with us too, all right, David? Let us know as you go through those because I think there's some great benefits to symmetry for you after that.

So I like starter. I like bands and then I even like the isometric and unilateral work for you for from symmetry So we'll move into that after those All right, yeah, I'll do the program and I'll keep you guys up today Awesome perfect man. Thank you. All right, David Keep after it. Thank you. All right. I can't think of a job that would be more tortures for me than accountant I'm gonna count. Oh my god Imagine you imagine sitting down and doing everything alone? I ever tell you about one of my high school best friends that he lived with me when I moved

to San Jose. I remember he got a job with Deloitte and Tush. And that was back when I was working with a gym and we were, you know, the grinding gym schedule right at get home 10, 11 o'clock at night. And I love the job, right? So I come home all like, yeah, psyched an energy like we all did, right? And he'd come home just like he just got beat

and be like, what did you do today, dude? So probably fucking photocopied for 12 hours. Yeah, fucking God. So, swear to God, and this was like every day. Yeah, he, and he's like, in literally office, they almost like put you through the gauntlet. If you work for like one of these big firms, that they put you through the gauntlet. If you work for like one of these big firms, but they put you through the gauntlet

for the till you make like partner. And like that's like the deal is like, you are the runt and you just do all the bitch work. It's already like a laborious job as it is, right, being in a accountant. And then you gotta do all the bitch work on top of that to like earn your stripes before, because when you become part of it,

you make really good fucking money. And he couldn't, he's like, he knew what the, he knew what the pot of gold was the in the rainbow and he's like, I can't do that. I can't tell you, yeah, he make really good fucking money. And he couldn't, he's like, he knew what the, he knew what the pot of gold was the in the rainbow. And he's like, I can't do this. I can't tell, yeah, he never went back. We didn't do it. So he's actually in the wine industry. Oh, much more fun.

He's a very successful too. He's up in the, in fact, I told you, I think I showed you a picture of him. He was at the Laker Warrior game, download with me. We hadn't seen each other in years, and ran into him. You ran into him there, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, and he's doing all the wine thing, but yeah, counting is back to David.

Have you guys trained anybody with cerebral palsy? I have for him. Yeah. And I've had it. I actually have it. We had a close family friend that had it, but he was really like, David looks like he's a, he looks like he's, he's, he's with it. Yeah, like my buddy had what, like, yeah, there's very good real like, limited. Yeah. Very well. Right. Strength training is such, I mean, it now with standard care, right little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit Yes, well isn't it is it considered a neurological degenerative disease? It can to general. Yes, right So I mean you talk about if that's what's gonna happen. It's going to atrophy and lose connect I mean nothing is gonna be better. That's the counter One of the gone man, right that's it. All right. Our next color is Joe from Copenhagen Joe. What's happening? How can we help you?

Hello guys so for the world I just want to thank you for putting yourself out there and I actually found you like three years ago through full check and since then I just binge most of your stuff and I also want to thank you for sharing your journeys as a father and as a man, it's very impactful and also be doubtful because just growing up, like raising small humans, it's quite a responsibility, so I appreciate you sharing your thank you your journey So beautiful me My background is I'm playing eyes looking to lowest 20

I also did karate. I had a lot of injuries throughout the time But the last one I had the most impact on there also like why I'm here is I dislocated my shoulder and my elbow at the same time. And then I had a year later, I had a lot of such a lot of such surgery because it was just an unstable. That was four years ago. Since then, it's been going better. I had had troubles with pushing and overhead pressing before I could do a like a L-sit from the ground and go to the handstand. Now I'm happy that I can do L-sit because my shoulder is just very painful, especially in the back of the shoulder, where especially when I'm pressing and when I'm, it's actually

only when I'm pressing and when I'm moving my arms up. So I have been doing, I did maps and a bollic, that helped because I also did additionally only like one sided dumbbell rows, presses and kettlebell presses and like high reps of those, but it's been very slow. So in four years I have not been able to recover. I was able to shoulder press like 24 degrees, 24 kilograms with one hand, but now I can do 20 and it's painful. So the question that I have really, and I skipped a little bit,

but the question that I have is, what would you recommend? Would you recommend doing something like symmetry or, and also I skipped something. So I don't have a gym membership. So the part of the problem is that I was a coaching. So I was a fitness coach. I don't coach anymore because of finances and stuff. So I started in gardening and I also canceled my gym membership because of that. So right now I'm doing gardening day job. I am doing band training and calisthenics. And beside that I'm trying to get bigger and stronger and most importantly, fix my shoulders

so I can actually get a bigger and stronger without problems. Okay, let's back up for a second. Okay, yeah, I got scared. It's so good to do it. Okay, so, try to get information. Yeah, so, latter jet surgery, this is the one where they remove some bone from a part of your body, attach it to the top of the shoulder, the humorous,

and they try to create a tighter, basically a tighter shoulder socket to prevent further dislocation. Is that correct? Yes, they reposition the take a bone from the glenoid and they put it on the, they put it on the glenoid, they take a bone from around the cloud cooler. Okay.

How did you dislocate your shoulder? Because that, that's a pretty substantial surgery. Yeah, got pushed from behind playing on the ice up your game. Yeah, during the game. Okay. I, yeah. Okay. So traditional mobility work, because here's a deal, your structure's different now.

Okay, so when they do that, they've changed your structure, which essentially means all of the muscles and supporting structures, you literally have to relearn new pattern. All new recruitment pattern. Yeah. Okay, so it's not like it was before. So even if you had the old recruitment pattern,

which you probably still lost because you went through the entry process and the. So even if you had the old recruitment pattern, which you probably still lost because you went through the entry process and the surgery, even if you had that, it still wouldn't need to change a little bit because your anatomy is now different. Okay, so your anatomy has changed in a small, but significant way. So correctional exercise is gonna be paramount right now.

Maps Prime Pro has shoulder movements in there that I think you should do on a daily basis and I think you should do them slowly and carefully with intention. And I don't know if you can expect to get back to where you were before, but you could definitely go a lot further than you are right now.

So that would be the priority is what I'd focus on. As far as your workout is concerned, map symmetry would be the way to go, but you don't have dumbbells, do you? No, I have to get some balls. Okay, you're okay then. I think you can modify it. You could do it with kettlebells. Yeah, I think too like you said in terms of like really hyper-focusing on the what's you know your mobility issues and repatterning that whole process, but then too, like after you get through

kind of that isometric kind of kin stretch type of work to add load, I would very much like start with rubber bands with that as your next kind of follow up to that just because of the low damage with that and also the consistent sort of resistance that you're gonna have to then, because you just gotta take some time to realize,

you have to re-teach that function out of the shoulder before we really start to kind of get to where I know you wanna go, because you've been able to lift quite some weight there with your shoulder before but to re-teach it and then also go through kind of more unilateral work so we can simultaneously kind of have have both sides a work their way up together. So it's not just a fully bi-loaded situation. Let the weaker side

dictate the weight by the way. So don't lift more weight just because you're stronger on your other shoulder. Do exactly what you do on the weaker side, on your stronger side. Otherwise, you'll maintain an imbalance if you continue to lift different weights. So let me make sure I'm hearing you guys correctly then. So then the prescription here is, we're gonna send you maps prime pro,

do the shoulder work in there like as much as you can really, because it's just, I would do it several times a day. Yeah, multiple times a day if you can, so that follow what it says for shoulder in there, and then progress into symmetry. When you run symmetry, we're gonna use kettlebells. Where are you gonna incorporate bands?

I wish, because in maps, bands, we have band distractions, which is kind of what I'm alluding to in terms of like, adding resistance to your mobility moves. Do you have bands? Yeah, I have bands. Okay, so then why don't we give him bands and then specifically take the band distractions and implement that?

There you go. So it's basically our frequency builder days like in between. So you would be doing that full session there to kind of work your way back with Bands resistance. Yeah, but think of it this way, Joe. If you would have learned how to walk, and let's say you started learning how to walk, okay?

And you had to really focus on your technique because you're learning how to walk. If someone told you to run real fast and you tried, you might be able to move faster, but your technique would go out the window because now you're trying to do it with speed and intensity, okay? Because of your shoulder procedure, you have to go light, slow, and really, really focus on developing new recruitment patterns and recruitment patterns that work for you. If you push intensity and speed to soon, you will be a little bit more weight

and you will be a little bit faster, but your body's not gonna go in the development. The momentum's gonna mask some of those disconnects. Yeah. So we wanna reconnect the entire weight through, and that's why bands are great for that because there's no, sort of getting around the fact that you're going to have resistance in every portion of that rep. A way for you to measure or know if you're on the right track to what they're saying is

prime pro, the real goal of what we just gave you and everything we said is to be, is to get perfect at those shoulder movements. So when you, in the video, in the video demos, you're going to see Justin doing a bunch of the moves. I think you're doing most of the moves in there, right? Yeah. And probably. Yeah. So Justin's doing most of the moves in there is to, you want to get to a place with your shoulder to be able to perform the movements as well as he can. That's more of a priority than loading and going heavier with your kettlebell. So make that the priority is getting really good, that intensifying that workout,

more than trying to intensify the weight training work. Yeah, one last thing, in the shoulders are complex joint. It's not just the shoulders also the scapula that has to learn and develop recruitment patterns that are now gonna be favorable, considering your slightly altered structure. In Prime Pro, there's scapular movements and shoulder movements. Do them both. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But this surgery was four years ago. Since then, I've been doing

Brazangir Jitsuo. I actually got my blue belt and I won't compete against it, but still, my shoulder is just weaker and I've been trying to work through it. Listen, I'm not telling you rehab stuff. Yeah. I'm telling you how to get your shoulder to stop hurting. Yeah. So you've gotten stronger, you're definitely stronger, but it hurts. Bro, when you go through Prime Pro, if you do Prime Pro correctly, you'll be sweating from the movements.

So it's not like this, like, you know, sit back and strut lace, like yoga shit, like it's gonna be intense. And that's where your intensity should be in there. That's where you are really trying to create this greater range of motion, better control in the shoulder complex area. That's what you wanna be, and it's not like South,

it's not like some cheesy little rehab thing that you're doing. If you're hurting, that means your recruitment pattern is not ideal. And you've gotten strong in this not great recruitment pattern. So if you push the weight, you're going to just keep doing what you're doing. That's why we got to back down and get a reinforcement of this function. You have to learn a new recruitment pattern.

You have to learn it and it takes a little bit of time and it takes practice. But if you push the way you're gonna default to what you're stronger at, and right now you're stronger at a recruitment pattern that's causing pain, I hope that makes sense. Yeah, I also noticed my, it has kind of been like this, maybe from Isaac, that my one shoulder, I think my left one is lower

than my right shoulder. Sure. That could be also because, and actually, Dr. Talbeth actually has surgery on the right shoulder actually as well because I'm Well, listen Be careful. Yes, be careful with with you know when somebody has a hammer and you ask him You know to put a screw in because they're gonna tell you the hammer to screw in so yeah, I'm not going there

Yeah, okay learning new recruitment patterns when you've already strengthened a bad old, you know, one that's not ideal and it's strong Takes time. Mm-hmm. It takes time. So give yourself a year of Focus and then you'll get strong you'll surpass where you are now and you'll have no pain or far less pain Mm-hmm. Okay a year That's something it takes a while it takes a while, but you've developed this recruitment pattern now for the last three, four years. It's actually been getting better as I was getting stronger.

I had to push through a little bit, but yes, it's been four years in surgery and it's been hurting less, but it's still hurting. It's not that much easier. Well, it might take less than a year in that case, but it's gonna take some time as my point. Yeah, and it'll been hurting less, but it's still hurting. It's not that much easier. Well, it might take less than a year in that case, but it's gonna take some time as my point. Yeah, and it'll get progressively better. It won't be like, you don't see anything for a year.

It's like, you know, so, but what Sal's saying is, be patient, be patient. This is not like an overnight thing. It's, and the stuff in Prime Pro, you know, I can't stress enough that it's far more valuable to frequently do it throughout the day and every day than it is to do a one-hard session or two-hard sessions a week, which is what a lot of people tend to do, is they approach mobility stuff. Like a bodybuilding.

It's a beautiful thing, it's intense, but you can repeat it constantly because you can recover pretty quickly from it. So it's not like doing damage. What it's doing, it's just reinforcing that better recruitment pattern. So now, you know, your function and your strength is all going to be more stabilized. Because you have experience to your athletic, you have a background here, you're going to notice that there's like, you know, wall circles and there's handcuff with rotation. There's all these different movements.

You're gonna find one or two of them that you feel really good from it after it. You're gonna do it and you're gonna be like, oh wow, that does feel like it's working and helping. When that light bulb goes off for you, you do that all the time then. Like make that be the, like let's say it's the wall circle and you're like, oh shit, when I do that.

Yeah, five times a day That really I can feel that helps me out and now when I move I can feel that the pain's decreasing like that sure signal Like oh that's really improving what you need and do it all the time don't just do it once in every couple days Do it four five times a day for just a minute or two like literally every time you get next to a wall You got a few minutes right before you threshold, you hold it, squeeze into it, connect with it back off. And you just keep that pattern going and going and going until eventually it's no more.

That's right. All right. All right, Joseph. Thanks. So we'll send those for you. Thank you. Guys, I have another question. It's a bit sensitive, but if you don't mind, I'll sell it. Very sensitive.

Go ahead. Yeah, I'm not afraid. I don't care. Don't hurt my feelings. So there is a't mind, I'll sell a lot of stuff. Go ahead. Yeah, I'm not afraid. OK. Don't remind me. So there is a lot of, I mean, not much information. How do you, so in my family, it's been genetically problems with hemorrhoids. And I find very hard to work out, especially to push

harder with that kind of issue. Because if I wait, lift, it creates pressure. It can create internal pressure and then it clears up hemorrhoids and it's not enough information out there to figure out how to work out around it or just give it the rest and wait, I don't know, do you have anything there? Yeah, well okay, so the experience I have with this is when I were training post-partum women.

So hemorrhoids was very common in women who just had a baby, super common, I think like 70%. Is it really high? Yeah, that's pretty, I mean, you're pushing a baby up. Yeah, if I didn't realize it was that hard. Yeah, and then they would hire me and I would do strength training with them and of course, this would oftentimes become an issue.

So number one, the number one factor that helped was modifying their diet. Lots of fluid and a high fiber diet without really preventing any kind of straining or constipation. So they would eat well-cooked vegetables, they would add psyllium. Cylium husk is a really, really good supplement for them. So they would start the morning off with a serving, like a tablespoon of psyllium husk with two glasses of water. You have to have a lot of water with psyllium, otherwise it actually acts in the opposite, okay?

So that made the biggest difference. Then when we would work out, I would have them, and this is the thing with this, as it gets better, you can start to train with higher intensity, but in the beginning, you have to learn to breathe and relax the body and focus on the target area. So this is not an ideal way to lift heavy, right? When you're lifting heavy, you want to activate everything and you want, oh, you want to strain and struggle. But with something like this, I would have them,

while they're doing it, try to keep the face relaxed, you can brace the core, but don't create lots of internal pressure in the core. This is the opposite of what I would tell somebody when they're doing a heavy PR. Heavy PR is probably out of the question. They would breathe out, relax the face, focus on the target muscle, and that usually would create less pressure on the area that they, that they would, you know, they would feel it negatively otherwise. But the fiber, well-cooked vegetables, the psyllium husk, lots of fluid, that made the biggest impact. Okay. All right, I appreciate it. You got it. Thanks for calling, and John.

Hey, Herman. Thank you, Adam, for suggesting. You got it, yeah. Thank you, ma'am. You're good. Remember when I helped you with that, Justin? Yeah, yeah. You were real hands on with that. I appreciate that. Hey, you know, I tell you, I tell you, with the recruitment, this is the analogy I've given before on the show, and I think it's the best analogy to help people understand what I mean by what we talk about when we say recruitment patterns. If you typed on a keyboard with your index fingers for three years and you got real fast

with it. Because you can get kind of fast, right, with two fingers. You can double-angle a squirrel. Yeah, but you're just doing this, you know, all the time. And then someone comes along and says, hey, you know, if you do it with all your fingers in this particular way, you can be a lot faster. Well, initially you're not. Yeah, you're a suck-who-who.

Initially, you're slower that way. And then if you tell someone to go as fast as they can with this new method, they're going to be like, through that, I'm going to go back to my old method because you're telling me to go fast. But eventually through slow practice and learning this new pattern, you surpass what you could do before. This is what this is exactly what happens with recruitment patterns. If you push yourself too hard, your body goes back to what it's good at. And it will avoid trying to learn this new pattern. Everything he's talking about is just somebody that just drives full intensity, full blast.

I can guarantee it. Yeah, every, and that's what's so hard. It's such a hard switch to, that's why he didn't like what I said. It's good to take care of. No, I didn't like any of it. What we had to say, it was honest, and that's fine, you know what I mean?

But we're not gonna change, you know, the prescription. It is gonna help and gonna benefit. And you know, it's just sometimes you just have to step out and be like, I need to take care of this. I have to take care of my body. And I have to allow this to fully recover. I have to retrain it. I have to relearn how to use my shoulder adequately

and that takes time. Maybe one of the hardest people to help virtually that we've had yet. I mean, just really tough to communicate without- This tough one to articulate. Yeah, without seeing that person move, and then be able to put them in a more advantageous position and then say, feel that.

That's what I need you to do. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna be a real hard, slow, and good job. Yeah, we're real hard for us to communicate that with such a unique surgery and all the potential ways that he could be moving well or not well. Right. And then you add in the hemorrhoids on top of that and then like addressing that. I mean, that was a, that's a, that's a, that's a top. I mean, I felt like the advice was really good.

I just hope that I tell you if I hope it resonates a little. I mean, if, if anything, and if I didn't have experienced training, I trained a lot of postpartum women, that was what I was set at, a common thing with them. That's the only reason why I know, you know, what to do there, because I would work with their doctors. Yeah, so I hope that he sticks with the trust of process

and then also stays in touch with us, because that is a tough one to try and to mend virtually. Totally. Look, if you like Mind Pump, if you like our show, you want good fitness information, but you want it to be filtered through us, because let's be frank, the fitness industry lies all the

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