Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2108: The Relationship Between Strength and Bone Density, Body Pump Review, Ways to Release Tight Muscles & More

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Starting point is 00:02:02 Controversial. Here's why I'm gonna take a big disagree. Here's why there's a little bit of walking. Now of course, it's very general, right? I'm saying just generally over 40, but here's why. I can't wait for the key comments on this. Here's why. The biggest considerations with people over the age of 40 are risk versus reward.

Starting point is 00:02:20 And box squats are still barbell squats, but you do remove a lot of the risk because of the pausing on the squat, right? There's no changing direction where you have to like change your tension. So injury risk goes way down. Driving a sled, super functional, doesn't damage the body.

Starting point is 00:02:33 Taxi only when I agree with. Hip thrust, hip thrust, posture your chain, posture your chain. Hip thrust. You gotta do it. Get out of here with that, bro. Tell me you don't agree with this. I mean, yeah, this.

Starting point is 00:02:43 You do? Did you help this list? No, I need something explosive though. I would add like a kettlebell swing in there. Something that's like moving fast. Okay. Yeah. But that's I mean, I guess you could say it's a lower body exercise. Hip thrust. Relax. I was. Remember that time on the podcast, Adam? We said, Justin, I were better trainers in here. Can we put a clip on that in there? I mean, the box squatall is just a show, bro. First race and yeah,

Starting point is 00:03:08 that was me practicing immunity. I don't know. Yeah, let's be. Oh my god. Okay, so do you see why I listed those? As I know, okay, so I love I love it for I mean, it's gonna be great for the gram. We're gonna get all kinds of fucking heat for this.

Starting point is 00:03:24 Yeah, can't wait for people to just lamb this. What's your list? What's your list? What's your list? It's cool. I would have a deadlift on there. Or if not a deadlift, a hex bar deadlift, I think that's a great, great.

Starting point is 00:03:40 I mean, it's cool, that's a good one. That would definitely replace hip thrust for me. Rip, rip, you're getting all the benefits. You're getting in a hip thrust, but way more functional and can build what I like that way better. I like the driving the sled. And I would have put like a lunge. I love sled drives.

Starting point is 00:03:58 I like a lunge or a step up has to be there. Those are all definitely agree or in the running. Here's why I put box squats because, like barbell squats, just are phenomenal, just general overall. I know why you're doing it. I know there's, I know there's a concern with, you know, the elderly population or somebody

Starting point is 00:04:17 who has got all kinds of issues. These people are over 40, we're all over. Yeah. Well, hey, I'm trying to support your argument for that because all of us in here be squatting. You know what I'm saying? Like nobody in here would be doing box squats. I think I can't do a full squat.

Starting point is 00:04:29 You know, so I've been doing more box, I do squats too, but I do more box squats than squats these days because I could still train really, like today I was doing it with 400 pounds. And it's just way, the risk is so much lower because I can lower myself. So come back up. And so, now barbell squats are the best.

Starting point is 00:04:47 Okay. It's just bottom line. But the risk versus reward is skewed a little bit more towards risk than a box one. We just have to be very careful about how we communicate this because of course, it's very nuanced to what you're saying because it's also contradictory. So what we talk about, right? So one of the things that we always preach to our community is that even if you can't, so let's say you're 60

Starting point is 00:05:06 and you can't squat, you can't deadlift and do those movements, the goal should be to get to a point where you can. So if you're doing the movements you're talking about, it's not, oh, just give up and never do deadlifts or squats ever again, you can utilize these movements that you're suggesting for the risk versus reward. This is a super argument.

Starting point is 00:05:25 It's obviously a very general state. By the way, you know why I started talking about boxquats this way. When we interviewed Stan Efforting, Stan Efforting is one of the strongest pro bodybuilders or he might even be the strongest pro bodybuilder of all time. And he said, this was on camera and then off camera, I asked him about this. And he goes, I do a lot more boxquit in these days and I do traditional squats because I could still train really heavy and it's just, it's a lot safer in terms of risk. And I thought about him like he's right.

Starting point is 00:05:52 I mean, when I do box squats, I can go real heavy and it just doesn't seem to, I just don't seem to have the, like I said, the risk of injury or pain that I do with barbell squats. I don't think you just stop barbell squats. And again, this is super general, you know, over 40. Like there's such a wide variance. So I just cautioned that advice because, okay, and even with that statement with Stan Efferding is saying, it's like, okay,

Starting point is 00:06:15 I do a lot more box squats because I can go heavy because you know, because when I go deep with heavier loads, I tend to hurt myself. And so I'm going to,, or, lighten the load and continue to go deep squatting and work on mobility. Like that's- Yeah, but that's not nearly as viral. What do you want me to say?

Starting point is 00:06:31 I'll do that for a second. Yeah, it's like squats. Yeah, I'll do that. Try it off. I mean, you're gonna be able to spin everybody like a top with those three like that, because it's not what we would normally say. Think of the benefits you would get from a barbell squat, and then think of the benefits

Starting point is 00:06:46 you'd get from a good, same-depth box squat, because you can lower, right, you can get a band, you can go a little lower, a little higher. They're all, they're pretty close. Okay, from a muscle building perspective, yes. Even from functional and strength, like the carryover, like your box squat goes up, so there's your barbell squat, your barbell squat goes up, so does your barbell squat. Your barbell squat goes up, so does your box squat. It's so close that the carryover and the functional strength and all that stuff is, I mean, I don't want to say identical because it's not identical, but it's pretty damn close. So Kyle is training a couple of my family members right now and one of their frustrations

Starting point is 00:07:22 with them. And they're all north of 50. Yeah. Okay. One of their frustrations, and it's so funny when they communicate to me, thinking that I'm going to defend them against Kyle and go, like, you know, look, to Kyle, you need to go push my aunt and my, my, my mother-in-law harder and, and, and load them more. And he continues to take them through more and more mobility work and telling them, like, no, we're're just we're not there yet You need to do more of this you need to do more of that and and they yeah, and they want they want him to push the way and push more Because that's what they think is going to get them better results

Starting point is 00:07:58 And he continues to stick to his guns and tell them that they need to work on these, they just lack the mobility. Like, there's no reason for me. Sure, I could load a box squat on you just so I could put more weight and challenge that. Or I can continue to work on a greater range of motion or depth in your squat. And that's going to be far more beneficial from an overall health perspective and longevity. Does it, the way he's going is not going to build muscle faster

Starting point is 00:08:24 because he's not doing the heavy loaded box squats Oh, I'll I'll argue that it will because if he does it wrong They'll hurt themselves and I can get faster results doing it wrong Yeah, by the way, I'm here in the morning. I watch him train. He knows he's very good. Yeah, he really he's a really good train No, I know that's why I defended him when they were all right thought I was gonna jump on to jump on their bed I was like no you what you need to do this fucking listen to your trainer? That's what I said. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:47 I mean, again, I'm kind of milling the silver because it takes me a second to kind of think of the characteristics. Like, I really want for the person that's over 40. And that's why I sit like something fast. But for me, I like those choices. So I'd like to box squats for the, the by loaded, you know, being able to really focus on strength

Starting point is 00:09:08 and like that's something that, again, to your point of like it kind of reducing some bit of the risk. I find value in that one, but in terms of like adding in the instability component, that's where I would probably lean more towards like a Bulgarian split squat as a follow up to that, but then also the sled drive 100% I'm on board with that. So I like this, Hexbar deadlift, I like the sled, we can all agree on the sled,

Starting point is 00:09:33 and then a Bulgarian or a lunge. So here's why you have a stability component in that, you don't allow it all work for them. They can build tremendous strength on Bulgarian squats, just like they can on a box squat, and you have stability that's involved in that. You can buy your spin-in for the hip thrust. You're playing the hex bar.

Starting point is 00:09:51 Oh, why he wants that. Okay, so first off to be controversial. No, no, no, here's why. First off to the reason why I put sled and I didn't include a split stance, actually, although I look Bulgarians and lunges and those are all phenomenal. So you get volume in the quad. Well, not just that, but that include a split stance. Actually, although I look Bulgarians and lunges, and those are all phenomenal. So you get volume in the quad.

Starting point is 00:10:07 Well, not just that, but that is a split stance. Actually, driving a sled is torquing the pelvis. You can make that case a little bit. That's why I put that. You can make a little bit of that case. And by the way, the sled also takes care of your swings, because you could do that with speed. You can run with it.

Starting point is 00:10:22 And also, you could run with that. You could also trains the foot and the ankle and the calf. We're all the eight, but everybody in here is the same hip thrust. You could argue too, like doing a kettlebell swing. You know, I'm doing the same thing. Here's why I put the hip thrust. Hip-hinging, okay.

Starting point is 00:10:35 Hip thrust, floor bridges, very similar, whatever I put hip thrust is more of a, you know, obviously more of a muscle builder. It is one of the best back protecting exercises you can do in general population with people who may be lacked the mobility, strength, and stability to do other exercises. I could do a hip thrust or a hip bridge.

Starting point is 00:10:53 I wish the reverse hyper with more popular. Yes, that would be a big interesting. But I could do a hip bridge or hip thrust with almost anybody. That was actually one of my most effective back strengthening, lower back relieving. So I feel that way about a hex bar deadlift. Okay. I don't I've done the guy's ever had somebody comes you with back pain.

Starting point is 00:11:11 You haven't do a hex pocket deadlift. Well, no, you that you regress that first, but I've never I've never had a client ever, ever, ever who we we did not hex bar get to a point where we get hex bar to sure. But let me put it this way. You get an over 40 person average, not like super extreme one direction, and they're like, yeah, I got back pain, I low back kind of hurts or whatever.

Starting point is 00:11:30 What's gonna make their low back feel better right now and get stronger and reduce the risk of injury right now? Four bridge or hip grip? Yes, over a dead lift, which dead lifts are amazing for that. It just takes time. Yeah, but now you're isolating to a very small percentage of just everybody who's over 40. So to say that these are the three general lifts that you like that you.

Starting point is 00:11:50 It's not perfect. It's going to be, but I know I mean it creates a good discussion by the way. I'm not. That's why. Yeah, it's a good discussion. What's interesting about this discussion is what everybody agrees on the slide. So to me, that's the big standout. I like that's how powerful that is for a 40 plus.

Starting point is 00:12:05 Yeah. You can build strength with that. Hit us with the rest. Come on man. It's you get you get the unilateral type of work there. You get speed out of there. I mean, it's a. Put angles.

Starting point is 00:12:14 Every. That's it. That's it. That's a that's a key in there for sure. And for all the reasons too, if you're dealing with particular, I mean, I just I like the hex bar deadlift and I like a Bulgarian or a lunge in there. That's, I just would prefer those over the barbell box.

Starting point is 00:12:31 So here's the three general things that I put in there. And there's other exercises that can fall in this category. There's a squat. So that would be the box squat, could be a barbell squat. So there's a squat. There's a split stance, something, with a full extension, which includes the ankle and the foot. Addressing stability and strength. Yes, and that's all lower

Starting point is 00:12:49 body too, because there's no other, there's no other foot or calf or ankle, anything in that, right? So that's number two. And then there's some kind of a hip extension. Yeah, hip, hip, hip, or hip, right? So what else could go in that? We could be a barbell squat, a box squat, could be a front squat, those all go in that same category. It could be a lunge, Bulgarian split stance, or the or driving these led. Or it's just be like a jump in place. Right, or that, right?

Starting point is 00:13:12 Or you could go and then with the hip extension, it could be deadlift, hex bar deadlift, it could be, it could be Romanian deadlift, it could be good morning, or it could be hip thrust. I chose the ones with the best risk versus reward ratio that I could think of. That's what I did. So pick a squat movement that has a better risk versus reward than a box squat.

Starting point is 00:13:31 By the way, what you just did right now is probably the best way to explain to the people that are probably their heads are spinning right now with this conversation is. I saved it for the end. I wanted everybody to disagree with me. Yeah. Hopefully they got this work. We're all so dumb, though. Guarantee, guarantee 80% already commented on this shit. Already on fire.

Starting point is 00:13:50 But what you said right now is that's a real trainer. The real trainer goes, here's the three attributes that are extremely important to me that I want to get with this elderly client or north to 40 person. That's what I want to get. Now, where I start or what I do has completely to do with the individual. This is the same deductive process I had to go through with like the young athletes. I'm like, okay, I want to establish this, but like this

Starting point is 00:14:14 is a little bit too high skill. This is a little bit too high risk. This is a little too much, you know, education, I have to implement. So like, how do I distill this down to like the crux of like what to focus on? Yeah, with box squats, you know, look, maps and a ball, like, I wrote that a long time ago, okay? If you look at the original maps and a ball, there's a set of box squats in there before barbell squats.

Starting point is 00:14:35 Why did I put box squats on? Oh, yeah, it's a learning. Because with my clients, I saw almost, if not the same benefits with box squats that I saw with barbell squats with all my clients. And I could get everybody to box squat. I could not get everybody to barbell squat. Yeah, no, you're right.

Starting point is 00:14:50 I mean, one of the greatest regretions as far as like that I used with clients that I was the basic sit down on a bench and get up, which is the same thing. Exactly, same principle. I mean, that is the most obese, the condition client, okay, you hold my hand, I sit you down on a bench and you get back up

Starting point is 00:15:11 and we start to train that pattern. So you can at least, and then I can cue it, oh no, slide your hips back more, I can start to cue this. Your biggest deterrent, a lot of times depth, because it's unfamiliarity, it's, you know, they'll feel like their body's kind of resisting them going a little bit lower. So

Starting point is 00:15:28 you know, to be able to have them sit all the way down, that helps. There's also this, when you, when you lower and change directions for a split second, the weight that is that you're lowering with becomes heavier because of the change in momentum. So if you go down with a hundred pounds on your back, when you go to change directions, it becomes more like 120 pounds. That change in direction at the bottom

Starting point is 00:15:50 is a higher risk of injury. A box eliminates that, because you lower down controlled, you sit, there's no change in direction, you brace, you get your perfect form, and then you come back up. Whereas you don't have time to do that when you change directions at the bottom of a squat.

Starting point is 00:16:05 So really the consideration was max benefit, minimum risk with all three options. You know what, this conversation for me with this highlights more than anything else is why Instagram and TikTok trainers are stupid. Yeah. Because this is a classic example of how you could take they're just the clickbait of the world.

Starting point is 00:16:23 Yeah, you could take any of those exercises and make a viral video, right? To say something controversial or try and take one of those extracted and then get us a study to support why you're our minister. And the truth is training individuals is so much more nuanced in the voice. It's so much, like everything that we just argued about,

Starting point is 00:16:43 like there has been a client, there's been 10 clients that I have had to use your scenario, your scenario, and so, the truth is, a really good trainer understands the desired outcome is that we gotta get something for their foot, ankle, I gotta get some sort of, you know, a lot of work, I want something somewhat explosive, I wanna also weigh in risk in there,

Starting point is 00:17:03 I wanna weigh in reward there What is what's a regression to that? How am I gonna progress this like all that stuff? This is like real good training and coaching is the ability to do that and none of that fits in Instagram or TikTok never because they're like You're talking why we started a podcast because it's the it's long form communication I got to be able to talk about this for a while. I can't do this in, you know, 30 characters or however many characters on Twitter or a short stupid video. I can't wait till Andrew clips this. This is good news. It's gonna be so awesome.

Starting point is 00:17:30 You know who I hope? Can we make bets on like how many? We're gonna get the most hate on TikTok. All right, that's right. Let's get these guys. Yeah, listen, I good. Come at me. I, you know who I hope?

Starting point is 00:17:40 You know who I hope? That dumb idiot TikTok trainer, I don't even know his name, such a moron, like I have the dark glasses. Yeah, so. Actually for hypertrophy, they press and then the hex-quats slide with the movement.

Starting point is 00:17:52 The way muscle fiber is shut up, bro. Yeah. I mean, there are some common things that notice that we did all agree on. Notice, we didn't say any machine stuff. No. Nothing was machine. Okay, even considering the most deconditioned person, right?

Starting point is 00:18:07 So that we all agreed on. And we went into the sled, right? That to me, that is kind of the cool takeaway from this too, right? One, we didn't say fucking any sort of leg press or leg extension or any sort of a machine. That would be, I think a stupid, that's a bad trainer going that direction. And all of us agreed that the sled is such a great

Starting point is 00:18:26 universal cool to start over. You can't use a sled and who can't benefit from a sled. It's almost nobody. Yeah. If you can walk, you can do a sled. Anybody and everybody, you're an athlete, high performing athlete, sled. Your total beginner decondition, sled.

Starting point is 00:18:40 Your bodybuilder is stronger. It's this thing, it's just like, you know, you get fatigued, you just let go. Oh, it's as simple as that. I know. I know. I just discovered one of my favorite things to do and I can't believe this is still happening. I've been working out for so long and it just happened to me again. I just discovered an old exercise that I'm familiar with and I know about, I've seen a million times and I started using it and I just discovered how valuable it is.

Starting point is 00:19:07 And it's the dumbest, silliest, stupidest, it's an exercise you've seen a thousand times. It's a fricking dumbbell side bend. Oh, yeah. It's a dumbbell. We were arguing about that, there. Okay, yeah. Yeah, okay.

Starting point is 00:19:19 But I've been doing it too, especially with like a barbell. Yes. For me, it's been money. So, so obviously I love deadlifting, right? It's my favorite exercise. I'm actually a barbell for me. It's been money. So, so obviously I love deadlifting, right? It's my favorite exercise. I'm actually a barbell for more manly. Yeah, that's it. I'm a little tee-pull.

Starting point is 00:19:32 That's all I can think of. I'm sorry, but that's what I thought. So I love deadlifting. It's my favorite, one of my favorite, I'm really good at it. It's probably the thing on the best at in terms of lifts. And every once in a while, I gotta be careful. If I start to get too heavy,

Starting point is 00:19:47 I'll start to notice some stiffness in my back and okay, things will start to bother me and I'll do mobility, whatever. And I don't know why I never thought of this. Like where it's coming from is lateral stability or instability I should say. And it's always a QL issue for me, okay? QL is a muscle deep in the core and it it does some lateral strengthiness stability of the spine.

Starting point is 00:20:08 And a dumbbell sideband where you really hear through the lumbar, extend laterally, and then contract laterally. So people think it's a bleak exercise. Well, not really. It's a QL exercise. But if you really do it right, you'll feel that QL extend and stretch, and then you'll feel it contract.

Starting point is 00:20:25 Okay, I have never done an exercise that made my back the whatever little bit of pain I have. Not only go away, but my back stability feels like it feels like I did 10 weeks of mobility work from that exercise alone doing it twice, doing it twice. Literally do it go outside, test it and then see how you feel. I know you've been messing with it. Well, I had, yeah, and I think we're similar in how we got injured, you know, like, because of that shift of weight.

Starting point is 00:20:51 And so if you're not accounting for that ever, that lateral stability, it's gonna come back to kind of bite you. So to be able to train strength in it and get it to respond adequately, like, that's a good exercise for that. That's where I go from that. And then I also, like also consider any rotational forces.

Starting point is 00:21:07 That's where the windmill for me kind of covers both of those. Absolutely, so what I'm doing right now is I've done it two or three times only during my deadlift workouts at the end. The day after I feel zero, SI joint pain, I feel zero of those stuff I used to feel before, and I'm like, hmm, let's see, I'm gonna make sure my form is good, but let's see how strong I can get. Cause I'm gonna get really strong at that silly exercise.

Starting point is 00:21:30 And I feel like if I get really strong at that, I'm gonna be bulletproof with deadlifts. And that's how it feels when you're gonna do that. I do that for your 700 lives. Let me add to your personal thing, because I don't think I've ever seen you do this, and I was doing this yesterday. So, and this is, it's in the vein of like you supporting

Starting point is 00:21:48 yourself laterally when you're doing deadlifting. That's exactly why I was doing it because I've been feeling this, I like, I've been wanting to go heavier on my deadlift and I'm like, every time I do, I'm feeling this, I'm like, okay, I'm not collecting this shit. The assisted McGill Plains is fucking amazing. And all I did was literally my body weight,

Starting point is 00:22:04 opened my hips, let them come down, opened my hips, let them come down, opened my hips, let them come down. Open my, and 10 of those control on each side for like two or three weeks. It's not great when you do the movement, that's the solution. You know right away, right? Oh, and then you could,

Starting point is 00:22:17 I could just feel how stable my hips felt before I went into the deadlift. It's just, I just never, I just neglected. I never do it. And it's such a into the deadlift. I just neglected, I never do it, and it's such a great, great movement. I love it. So speaking of twisting, the media, oh, let's talk about the media real quick.

Starting point is 00:22:33 I just took a turn. Yeah, I know. Dude, the media is a propaganda bullshit machine. It's so bad, it's not even funny. Do you guys want to hear the latest on how they twist other twisting things? Okay. So who's still watching TV?

Starting point is 00:22:48 It's just like, yeah. It is, it is literally the loudspeaker for special interests, it's all it is. Yeah. That's it, that's it. They don't report anything other than what their goal is to influence you. And now I am 100% convinced of this, 100%.

Starting point is 00:23:03 I used to, this might be what it's going on. Now I'm like, for sure. So Bud Light, right, sales crashing, tanking. They're now, they're no longer the top selling, you know, beer in America, they're just, they're just getting crushed. Articles come out. Bud Light's sales drops, follows a recent trend in all domestic beers. Basically, the article saying, oh, the sales are dropping. The sales are dropping because people are just buying less in a domestic beer. And I've seen several articles like that.

Starting point is 00:23:33 Really? Yes. Target, target got hammered, right? With the whole, what they were doing with the, the pride displays and some of the stuff that, you know, for kids or whatever. Hammered. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:43 Bomb threats were called in to target. Ready for this? Buy LGBT activists who were like, you guys caved in and you guys caved in the mob, okay? The report, the report basically makes it look like they were coming from conservative. Why are we premises? Yes.

Starting point is 00:24:00 Yes. Yes. They also, it gets worse. They also on social media were posting pictures and images of target stores, rampage. Oh, I saw this. But that was from the George Floyd. The BLM riots.

Starting point is 00:24:14 Yes. That's great. Oh my God. I heard they got called out on that one though. They did. Yeah, I heard they called it. Wait a second. These are the videos from the BLM riots.

Starting point is 00:24:23 Dude. How wild is this? Yeah. It's so crazy. I mean, it's the videos from the BLM riots. Dude, how wild is this? Yeah. It's so crazy. I mean, it's so bad. If they like you, if they like you, the protective hell out of you, if they don't like you, the boy is like on here.

Starting point is 00:24:33 It's scary, the unfortunate part about this is, even though there's enough people that see it and we're talking about it, and obviously you're not the only person that's highlighting it, it's still, there's still a majority that fall for it. You know, it's crazy. I mean, I was actually surprised, this is kind of off subject, but somewhat along the lines, just of how much podcasting growth has slowed down.

Starting point is 00:24:57 It really has, and I was kind of scratching my head like what that is. And the more I thought about it, I was like, you know, if you listen to podcasts, you probably fall in the category of reader, like whether you listen to audio books or you read books or like your growth mind. Yeah, growth minded. I mean, unless you're like just purely a murder mystery, you're a podcaster, you're normally like, that's kind of a just pure entertainment. Well, they've done studies on regular podcasts listeners. They tend to be, they tend to be like that. Yeah, more educated, more affluent, and more growth oriented.

Starting point is 00:25:26 Yeah, so I think that we're just, we're reaching the peak of that as far as like, we've got, there's only so many people like, I'm serious, most people who'd rather plug into a Netflix series and binge watch for a week straight, and just be mindlessly entertained. So, and that same person. It's not immediately.

Starting point is 00:25:46 That same person is also easily manipulated by the media still. So, I just think that as much as we say here in talk, we're preaching the choir, everybody who's listening to this podcast, like I know that. I know that the numbers were so substantially higher than legacy media and old ways of consuming news.

Starting point is 00:26:07 To the point where they're destroying and crushing these old established media companies. And so for me, where was that reported? Was that from actually, again, I would question those numbers because I don't know how accurate I would think that okay So here's more. I'm gonna. Okay. So let me address what he's saying. Okay first so You're what are you suggesting are you suggesting that you don't think that maybe it's accurate that the legacy media is dying as much as it is

Starting point is 00:26:38 No, or that is not casting is dying. Oh, oh, oh, oh, unless it's getting ratcheted or numbered. Well, I mean, one of the easiest ways they measure that is by advertising dollars. If you look up, Doug, look up legacy media or television advertising versus podcasts advertising and it's fucking not even in the same universe. Right, but how? Right, but like it's the trend.

Starting point is 00:26:59 Yeah, and also the trend was moving in podcasting over the last five years, but that has seemed to take a halt. But hold on, is the growth slowing or is it negative? There's a difference. Well, it's not negative. So it's still growing, just the growth is slowing. It was really, I think it was like a plateau this last time.

Starting point is 00:27:17 Maybe Doug can fact check me. But then again, we also are also is all advertising starting to plateau Cause we're, you know, the, yeah, the, I mean, this is going, again, the easiest way to measure this is through advertising dollars, where the money is being spent by big companies. And if it's 70 billion to a few hundred million, it's not even the same universe. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no and if the theory is like, oh, we're gonna move everybody's gonna start moving in this direction, well, it shouldn't be slowing down,

Starting point is 00:27:48 it should be accelerating. Yeah, but is the slow down across the board? In other words, are we seeing a slow down because advertisers are just paying less, advertising less, people are getting laid off. Like, for example, Silicon Valley, I don't know if you guys saw this or not, but the tech layoffs, the amount of money people

Starting point is 00:28:04 are making is taking a massive hit in places like here in Silicon Valley. So it could just be the overall trend is going down. You know what I'm saying? So that's the thing that we wouldn't need to parse out. Yeah, I guess a question. I'd like again, like I don't know, I guess I just try to see like,

Starting point is 00:28:21 because of most people I talked to now, it's been an introduction to podcasts like over the past month or two. Like I've seen a lot more people like just all of a sudden like finding their way to it. So I don't know, I just find it's kind of difficult for me to see where else they would go in terms of like their. Well, I just really think that it's a very unique person that listens to, I mean, for the most part, I mean, I know that we've tried to blend somewhat of entertainment with education, but for the

Starting point is 00:28:52 most part, we're education. Like if you listen to us, very few people listen, they're just like, all these guys are just so cool and funny. I just like to listen to them talk about, that's not why most people are getting value from the show because we're teaching indirectly, right? We're teaching them about health and fitness and being better dads and all that shit like that, right? So you have to be a type of person that wants to do that and that's not a majority. And have the time to sit down and act.

Starting point is 00:29:17 And that, right? And then in addition to that, you can carve out five days a week and an hour and a half. Like that's a very small percentage of people that actually are doing that. And so. It's a long form of media. It's a means to say people that listen to audio books.

Starting point is 00:29:31 How many people you guys know that actually listen to audio books to learn and grow and to be better? And some of that's just not normal. No, I hear that. I think what Justin's saying is if you look at legacy media versus new media, new media includes all the other crap too. TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:29:47 Plus podcasting, people are moving. They are moving over. Legacy is dying. Okay, so yes, I agree that like more and more people, there's plenty of stats to show that more and more people get their news from TikTok and Twitter than they did just five years ago. So that's not true.

Starting point is 00:30:03 But I also think there was this belief, I don't we believe also that like, oh, you know, television media, all that stuff is going to completely die. I think it's just shifting. I think we're moving to the Netflix and we're moving to streaming services and stuff like that, which indirectly it will be getting hit

Starting point is 00:30:19 with advertising too. Yeah, that's a look. That's common by the way. If you guys don't think, by the way, if you don't think that Streaming services will not look like television soon. It will have options like they will have That's what will happen. It'll they'll eventually once they they they garner enough attention It'll be you could do free with that's right just like what Spotify like so all these streaming services aren't that different than Legacy media. No, just new companies like

Starting point is 00:30:43 Spotify is now kicking the ass of whatever name your favorite channel. The differences. Netflix is now kicking the other channels ass, but they're going to play the same fucking game. They are, but here's the difference. The difference is now you can get information that isn't necessarily going through the same gatekeepers. So you could put out a fake news article. I mean, fake news report.

Starting point is 00:31:04 So you're, okay, so they're different gatekeepers. And so they haven't been, no, no, no, they haven't been bought yet. No, no, no, no, hear me out. That's true. No, hear me out. You have that much faith in Netflix and HBO Max. No, no, not necessarily them, but let me give you an example.

Starting point is 00:31:18 You could do a fake news report through the old gatekeepers. Then there could be people with their cell phones going, that's not what's happening. And they put them posted to social media. Now you can see alternatives. By the way, I'm a hundred percent, the media hasn't become more dishonest. What's happened is we've become more aware of their dishonesty.

Starting point is 00:31:37 It's always been bullshit. It's always been bullshit. I think it's both. It's always been bullshit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's both. Here's why it's both. Name one. Let me, here's a reason why I must say it's both. It's, it's always been dishonest. I'm not, not saying that, but it's gotten increasingly more because more and more of it's driven by clicks and they, and they've learned that. They've learned, oh, wow, the more extremely go that was, we weren't aware of that. The marketing is evolved. It's like marketing is always evolved. Then we've learned over

Starting point is 00:32:04 time, like, oh, when we say crazy outland is bullshit, it gets way more views, shares, and clicks. I think so it's a combination of what you're saying. I don't think it's more, it's not, it's not as dis, like you can't tell me in the 50s, it was more dishonest in what it is saying. Oh, look, no way. Okay, I'll tell you what, what was the, what was the news report that finally tipped the, what was the news report that finally tipped the scales that got us to go to Vietnam? I'm not saying that it wasn't dishonest, I'm not saying there wasn't dishonest.

Starting point is 00:32:31 Hold on a second, you're not a saying. Everything is dishonest now. Yeah, what do you, there's like, no, no, no, no, there's a difference. There's a difference now, okay? Why don't we weigh in with the only person that was around here in the 50s? Yeah, that's the best.

Starting point is 00:32:41 That's the best. You're part of that, that greaser gang. Yeah., I mean Doug was like 25 around that time. I Wait It's Doug does have more Hold on a second. Okay, when the Gulf of Tonkin didn't happen, but they reported that it did and that's what drove us in a Vietnam Very few people questioned it. There was no counter information. So it was all bullshit.

Starting point is 00:33:09 You're the thing. You have to match the structure. You can name a handful of things. Okay. You can name a handful of things that you're pointing out right now. I can name a handful of things this week that didn't mean you. Only because you're more aware. Only because you're more aware.

Starting point is 00:33:24 It's a combination of both. We are more aware and we've got the worst. I don't think so. Yes, we have. I don't think it's the same show. Can you chime in here? You know, you're asking me a question that I can't really answer, simply because I've been going down

Starting point is 00:33:36 to rabbit hole over here about ad revenues. So. Here's the thing. You sent me off on these cases. You said, remember when he told me to look the sun. Yeah, I've been over here trying to figure this out We should tell you it's Andrew because Andrew can't answer this one because he's only a young buck So you want to ask me the question now the question is this the here's a debate is Media more dishonest today or are we just more aware of how to soar?

Starting point is 00:34:00 They've been because they've been dishonest like this for a long time. Yeah, I think they've been dishonest for a very long time Okay, but however, you just frame that argument for you to win that. That what my argument is, I'm not arguing it wasn't dishonest before. It's more dishonest today than it was. No, I think we're just more aware. Well, I don't think they have no, I'll agree with Adam in this point. I think they, I think they are, they have to be more dishonest today. Yes, to get clicks and get attention, right? And to counter. Yes. So, thank you. I think they are, they have to be more dishonest today.

Starting point is 00:34:27 Yes, to get clicks and get attention, right? And to counter. Yes. So thank you. That's the only way. They've had to ramp up their dishonesty in order to compete. Yes, let's back up. And that's because marketing is involved over time. They've learned that you've got to do that. Back in the old days, they would say anything everybody would believe. That's right.

Starting point is 00:34:40 And so they can just lie on one time. They were trying to buy, they were trying to buy in the swing voters a lot more back in the day Right, so now everybody's so split they can directly target. I'm gonna use an example that we're all that always Always Are you meant to overgrow you just need to submit you lost listen ever since the creation ever since the creation of the CIA and the Cold War This was a big deal. This is done. We know this.

Starting point is 00:35:06 Look, I'm going to give you an example. We can all remember. Everybody remembers. Hold on. Don't interrupt me. Everybody can remember 9-11. September 11. Why was it so controversial? Because we had people recording it.

Starting point is 00:35:16 People saw it. If that was in the 1950s, nobody recorded it. Nobody would have questioned it. We questioned things. You just believe authority. We now question things more. We have more counter information. So for every piece of bullshit,

Starting point is 00:35:29 we have people like that like that. So do you think, along your lines, do you think that marketing hasn't evolved in changes in the 50s? Oh yeah. Okay, yeah. We get smarter, we get better and everything that we do. One of the things that we've learned

Starting point is 00:35:42 over the last 50 years is how valuable and how much by saying crazy outland to shit gets us more attention. That has evolved and changed. It has gotten worse. It has not stayed the same and we're just more aware of it today. That plays a role, Sal, but it is definitely worse today. So it was more honest before. What you're saying? More than they are today. That didn't mean they weren't dishonest and there wasn't lots of dishonesty. I'm not saying that, I agree with that, but it is way more rampant today. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:11 You can go on right now and you could see like 10 different arguments on something that's all outlandish in every direction. Come on. It was a different form of it, right? People like to be, back then, people like to be lulled into like the state of comfort. To Doug's point, they were easily, they agreed.

Starting point is 00:36:25 There was less, so they didn't require more lying, more deceit. It requires, because of your point of it becoming more aware, now it requires more layers of lying and more layers of deceit. But that's not because, that's not because of what you're saying. That's because there's now counter information that is making it harder. We're more aware. We're far more aware of the bullshit That's all it is we were either I suppose no one's disagreeing that we're more aware. Yeah, okay That's no one disagrees with that. I have 100% agree with that and so that's obvious

Starting point is 00:36:55 But I do think it is worse today than it was that I think is because we are aware that they're ramping up the line That's that's okay. That's I think you're both right, okay? I still look at Doug trying to be friendly, but I'm swissorling here. I'm swissing this, circular conversation. We're all gonna stare at you and don't just say a word to your big side. Okay, big side, stay with me. Big side, this is typical debate.

Starting point is 00:37:16 Now you think about like history, right? It's written by the victors, his story, right? So advertising and media is owned by corporations, and their corporations have a vested interest in having the story that they want put out there to be put out there. And so I think traditionally, it's always happened over time with the invention of handheld cameras,

Starting point is 00:37:40 with the invention of now, especially smartphones, as people become more aware and aware nobody's harder. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. So Vietnam is a good example because Vietnam was the first war. Vietnam was the first war where you had people in the field recording and right away and we saw what was going on the horrors. We didn't see that in World War II or the wars. People were like, what the hell is going on? This is absolutely insane. Kennedy got assassinated, we had that recorded.

Starting point is 00:38:08 That recording caused a lot of controversy. Had it not been recorded, people would have just... Another way this argument falls flat on its face is that 50 years ago, there was like three sources of news. That's what I'm saying. People thought we're not aware. So you need to lie as much. Where you like you have to lie more to get attention. So you know, it's great.

Starting point is 00:38:28 Competitive argument alone makes your argument. You bring up to very controversial things and are still debated today in terms of like 9.11 and JFK right. And there's been recent information and developments for both of those that we just can't talk about because people are so entrenched in whatever they were told decades ago. And so you can't even bring that up as like developing information. Like people won't fucking receive it.

Starting point is 00:38:54 Look this up. Look, this is real. I'm not making this up. Everybody right now go Operation Northwoods, look that up. This was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. This literally, it almost happened. You know what it was? It was a, this was a, this was literally put in front of JFK. The plan was to fake a terrorist attack in Miami and blame the Cubans to gain support for an invasion

Starting point is 00:39:19 of Cuba. He said, no, we're not doing that. A fake terrorist attack. This was literally signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. So this is a real thing. This is declassification. And you're thinking like, what, they would never do that again with them. They would play this out again. They would never.

Starting point is 00:39:34 Yeah, bro. Yeah, dude, how naive. I know. All right, let's get out of here because it's getting a little too heated. I'm going to say something nice about Justin. And not because he agreed, not necessarily because he's greased with you. Not because you picked my side. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:48 We did another partner by the way. We need a, we need a number. We need a five-year. And you pick a side. God damn it. No, we're not gonna do that. I was gonna say Justin looks really good because, is it because you're super fitter? Is it because of the shirt? What's going on? I mean, I was hoping it was the fit part, but also the fit itself. You've been rocking more of the state Liberty shirts, I see. I have like white, black, navy blue now.

Starting point is 00:40:10 Like it's just like, it's the shirt that, even when you find something that just fits you in like a glove, like so that's where I'm at. Well, what they do is it's got wide shoulders and a tapered waist. Yeah. Now you have both. I don't, I actually don't have any state livery t-shirts.

Starting point is 00:40:24 Love them. So I've got their favorite suit collection, actually don't have any state livery t-shirts. Love them. So I've got their favorite like suit collection like crazy. But I do not have their t-shirts. They're all they're all tailored or see they feel like they're tailored for athletes because all because even t-shirts you're ever by t-shirt tied on your arms but it's all big on your waist and then you have this Blake. Does it feel like more or less dressy than Viori's t-shirts or the same. Where would you put it in this? How would you like? So I feel like Viori has a little more breathability.

Starting point is 00:40:51 It's like, so this is like, it's compressed, right? So it more fitted. It more fitted and so it's like, I don't wanna work out in it as much because I'll get like sweaty. So it's more, you could you address that up before you address the Viori stuff. Viori more ATHLEASURE wear more ATHLEAT. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:09 I'm wearing my you know Viori pant. And you could actually take that shirt. So what I did with mine was I took that t-shirt something similar and put the sport coat and the slacks on it and it looked like I was wearing. Yeah, I can. Well, I mean, he's wearing it with like that. So it dresses that up. So that so it's that's how you would decide that with like, okay, if I was gonna go workout, you would probably be rocking V-O-R-E.

Starting point is 00:41:28 But if you're like, I'm gonna dress like casual nice. It's comfortable, but it is like, it's definitely something a little more nice. Did you guys see that the DM we got from, I think it was a bride or a bride to be. She's like, all of my groom and all the groomsmen need to get suits, they all work out. Oh.

Starting point is 00:41:46 Yeah. So they went through state and liberty. Oh, they did. Oh, wow. I'm actually, we've been missing each other. I'm supposed to connect with the guys. I mean, supposedly it's been doing really well. So another one of those brands where I wasn't sure, like, you know, how big of the audience would go that way. But I mean, it makes sense. Like, it's, there's just not a lot of suit companies that tailor to athletic fit men. And they did such a great job. And I mean, I love their stuff.

Starting point is 00:42:11 But I haven't got a shirt. So I'll have to get some, I'll have to get some t-shirts. So yeah, you'd love it, dude. Did you guys hear that one of our wrestling heroes from when we were kids in the 80s? Past away? Who?

Starting point is 00:42:22 I'm a cheek. Oh, I'm a cheek, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Dude, how old. Who? I'm cheek. Oh, I'm really cheek, I'm a man. Oh, man, dude. How old is he? This looks like a lot. He used to rock those Persian meals and swing those around.

Starting point is 00:42:32 Oh, yeah. So he used to have the big clubs. Yeah, the big clubs. Yeah, he would go, when he'd do his interviews and stuff. Did he really? Yeah, and I don't know what they were when I came. I didn't know that's interesting. I bet if you type in his name,

Starting point is 00:42:43 a look up images, you'll see him getting interviewed by, you know, the white dogs look at that. Please tell me you saw the little boy who got off the bus from you and did the stone cold Steve Austin thing. Did you guys see that? That's cool. I just saw that. So Andrew thinks it's the same kid who did the whole

Starting point is 00:42:59 Colgan impression. Now you remember that video, right? Remember the kid who made the whole Colgan at the supplement store and that video went viral because he did such a good life. So Andrew thinks it's the same kid. Andrew, you gotta dig and find out if it's the same kid because that kid is like talented as hell. There's the Aaron Shick.

Starting point is 00:43:14 You know I met him back and... I thought he was leaner, I didn't realize he was that thick. He was a big boy. He was a real wrestler by the way. Yeah, he was a big guy. He was 81 when he passed. Huh? He was 81. Oh, that's old for a pro wrestler. Pro wrest a real wrestler, by the way. Yeah, he was a big guy. He was 81 when he passed. Huh?

Starting point is 00:43:25 He was 81. Oh, that's old for a pro wrestler. Pro wrestlers don't typically live very long. So I met him a long time ago and you could tell he had some injuries and stuff. But he was an actual wrestler. I think if you look up his history, he was a high level. He weren't most of those guys. Like most of those guys that were in the early the early like wrestlers were like crossover guys

Starting point is 00:43:45 Right that a lot of them were yeah, I thought that was a lot of them. Yeah, he was like a really good wrestler He was yeah, there he is. There's a picture of him. So he was the Olympic there Doug This the one underneath that picture that you're on right there. Oh, yeah, is that Olympic? Yeah, yeah, so well, he looks so different without the mustache and stuff Yeah, did he now did he read who do you wrestle for Iran? Iran, yes, by the way, I don't who do you wrestle for? Iran? Iran, yes. Okay. By the way, I don't know if you guys know this,

Starting point is 00:44:07 Iran has a really long pedigree of wrestling. Like, one of the best, yes. One of the best countries in the world for that style of wrestling, Olympic wrestling. You know, speaking to him, die and you're saying 81, he just reminded me of the John Deloni talk, because I finally washed it with Katrina the other night. Man, he did that thing where you, I've never done this, I don't think I would do this. I don't like this.

Starting point is 00:44:29 I don't know if any of you guys would do this, where he put how many weeks he's lived in his life and then how many he's supposed to. Have you seen every... Really puts in perspective. Yeah, that's why I didn't like it. I don't want to do that. Like he's kind of dark.

Starting point is 00:44:43 It's a little 90, right? Or something like that? I think only 85, I think is what he put. I think he kind of dripped. It's a little 90, right? Or something like that? I think only 85, I think is what he put. I think you put 85. So it's like a graph and you just like little tiny squares colored in is a week that he's already lived. And then the white boxes or how many weeks he has, you know, left if he lifts till he's 85.

Starting point is 00:44:57 And you can see like, only shit like my life is closing in. Yeah. I mean, we all obviously you know that if base we're all in our 40s, so you kind of know that you're the, that we're kind of the halfway. I know that's what the over the hill thing is supposed to all be, right? So we're, I know that, but visually be thrown in my face like that. I don't know if I like, I think that's too much information.

Starting point is 00:45:16 Me too. So you're, you're on board. Yeah, that's too much for me. Would you guys do that? I think you feel sad. Especially since my little white square are skinny years. That's not true. I would put yours like well you're gonna be the guy

Starting point is 00:45:28 who is the one ten out of us. You're gonna be an our funeral, Stug. Yeah, there's a good channel before to that day. Every, okay, we're eight years together now. We get the whole business though. We eight going on nine. Oh my, we're eight going on nine, right?

Starting point is 00:45:39 Years together. Like the actual business we were actually talking a year before almost, right? So, you know, we're going on like 90 in every year that goes by, we look sniffing the older and you look younger compared to us. There was a time where you definitely look like the older guy of all of us.

Starting point is 00:45:55 That time is gone. I bet you now, if we were to meet people who don't know who we are, like this is like, they just met mine pump like last week. And we were all together and we made them guess our ages. You would not be picked as the oldest. For sure. For sure.

Starting point is 00:46:08 I think I'd win that one. Only because you rock all your grays now. Oh, bro. Yeah, yeah. Shit, I go through. You see that I posted the old video we did, the maps, I know. I want to bring back, so there's a lot of old stuff

Starting point is 00:46:19 that does you do. Old ads that we did before, I mean, we were trying to. And I actually think we gave up on them too early because we just, we did them early when the podcast wasn't big enough to actually feel like the true response. Because I tell you what, when I share some of that old stuff, I get so much, I want to, Doug and I were going back the old rabbit hole when he used to run the Instagram.

Starting point is 00:46:42 Oh, my God. Okay. Okay, so I just remember when you were talking about ads, like, do you remember the one we did for Chimera where I walked into you guys and you had like cocaine lines? Like we're doing lines of coffee. Coffee, dude. I was like, it's so appropriate.

Starting point is 00:46:57 What was wrong with us? I loved it though. I just said that was the kid, by the way. It is, Andrew is the same kid. Yeah, that's like, wow. This whole thing, he's got his own page. Oh, he's got his own page. What a little badass.

Starting point is 00:47:08 What's his Instagram? It's called Ro underscore nose underscore wrestling. It's Ro ROW ROE. ROW. ROW underscore. He's like, there's like videos of him like Ro, Ro, the baseball team. Oh, what a little badass.

Starting point is 00:47:24 Ro, okay, Ro, so ROW underscore, Oh,, with a little badass. Okay, Ro, so ROW underscore. Oh, he's a super here. Oh, ROW. With a little badass. Hey, did you guys. How big is this falling? Yeah, what's that? Oh, we're gonna blow him up right now.

Starting point is 00:47:37 Let's blow this kid up. He's talented. Yeah. Did you guys ever practice those pro wrestling moves in the 80s on your friends when you were little and hurt somebody during that? I'm trying to think which ones, like the stone cold stunner.

Starting point is 00:47:49 And what was the one that Triple H did or is like the, like, I don't know, like it was on top of them and then. So I did the camel clutch. I did I did iron sheikh's camel clutch on my cousin and hurt him. That's a messed up ass move. What? Well the Boston crab isn't that like that one hurts? Yeah, that was terrible. That's it. That's a catch wrestling submission Holy shit. Yeah, there is

Starting point is 00:48:13 Wow, I dressed up as Hogan. That's great. I want to see it. I want to see it. I got a guy You guys half committed Plus, baby, the ultimate male versus the ultimate people. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. With a little talented kid, huh? That's great. That's awesome.

Starting point is 00:48:35 So that's funny. I was calling that Andrew and Andrew spotted that right away when I saw that. He's like, oh, that's like, that's the whole coping kid. I was like, oh, I didn't even know that's awesome. Hey, Adam, you're gonna like this, because you're such a business guy. Have you seen these, what's the whole COVID kid. I was like, oh, I didn't even know that's awesome. Hey Adam, you're gonna like this, because you're such a business guy. Have you seen these, what's going on right now

Starting point is 00:48:48 on social media where they're showing how much money you could save if you move from New York to Florida? No. I don't know if it's like, I don't know if it's like a, like I don't know if Ron DeSantis in their team is trying to do this, or if you're gonna be, you know our boy, Brandon Carter did that.

Starting point is 00:49:04 That was his big move, right? He went down and bought a place down in Miami and lives six months and one day out of the year down there. If you make, I'll use a big number and then I'll use a more realistic number. But if you make $650,000 and you go from New York to Florida, you'll save $200,000 in taxes. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:49:23 If you make $150,000 and you go from New York to Florida, you'll save $50,000 in taxes. Oh my God. If you make $150,000 and you go from New York to Florida, you'll save $50,000 in taxes. That's how big of a difference it is. See, if you have, obviously not everybody, but check this out, you know, like that has to be a, okay, what is the, I still at 50% of people have come back to work, right? So if you got remote working job,

Starting point is 00:49:44 at one point it makes sense to buy a place over there and live six months in one day out of the year, especially if you're almost pays for the mortgage. It says you can leave the winter months, you're snowing shit, go to Miami. Beautiful, there. Well, I mean, figure out, okay, so you said 150, so pick something in the middle, 150, 650,

Starting point is 00:50:01 so you're talking about someone saving $100,000. That's a, you know, $8,000 a month mortgage that's negated by just having that there. I know. That becomes like a new, how, I mean, at what point? And that's not a long flight, right? New York to Florida.

Starting point is 00:50:15 I mean, this is California, this is California, right? Same, very similar. So at what point does California and New York get to the point where it's like, they got to figure out a way to change that or they're going to keep blue. New York bleeding as much as California bleeding. Yeah, I mean, there were the two spots in the US that had the highest economies, right? Both, both. That's why they can get away with it, right? Well, I mean, currently, but, you know, how long I mean, in terms of it, everybody exiting, leaving and like companies leaving. Well, Florida

Starting point is 00:50:43 exploded. They're they've attracted people, California, blood. Those are the two comparable states I would say. New York is blood. So maybe Doug is better at this one, because it's tax stuff. If I work for a company, say I worked for Google, okay? And I got a job here in the Silicon Valley.

Starting point is 00:51:00 But now I'm a remote Google worker. I go, I want to move to Nevada. I want to move to Florida. I want to move to Florida and Still work for Google which is bit that that Google that where my got my employment is California Am I still going to be held liable for California taxes? I mean if you're an actual resident of those states No, no, I say I move out of California. Yeah, that's what I'm saying if you become a resident of those states Then Google would need to pay you as a resident of that state. Yeah. Okay. So that's where you get that's what the

Starting point is 00:51:25 thing. I was thinking, okay, wait a second. What if you got employed though by some of you're in New York, you got employed with other company that's based in New York. And then you're like, no, I don't want to. You know, you know, it's interesting about taxes. Well, isn't this perfect? I have the shirt on today.

Starting point is 00:51:37 We're talking about taxes. You know, it's, you know, it's interesting to say what is that? It's, this is Ron Paul bro. Taxation is theft. Oh, that's it. If we didn't get kicked off, we will now. Those ganks are going to. So you know what's interesting about taxes is, I don't know what the number is.

Starting point is 00:51:49 I can't remember, but there's a number of, we've never collected more than this percentage of the total economy. Regardless of the tax rate, okay? So high taxes, lower taxes, whatever, we've never been able to collect more than this percentage of the economy. Now, what does this mean? This means that you can raise taxes super high, but because you raise taxes, you crush innovation, you crush business, total taxes come back

Starting point is 00:52:17 as the same or less. So 70, for example, 70% of 100 is less than 40% of 300, right, or 600, or whatever. Because the economy gets crushed with the higher tax rate, you think you're going to collect more, you end up collecting the same amount or less because you reduce overall productivity. And I can't remember what the number is. There's an actual number. Well, I remember. They look at the history of the US. Regardless of the tax rate, this is the most we could ever collect.

Starting point is 00:52:43 Well, I remember when I was in my 20s and I was on this like every year from like 20 up until I was almost 30, I made a little more, a little more, a little more, a little more every single year. And I remember getting to a place with, once I crossed over like 80, 90K a year and then I was in the, all the way up to like 121, 130, the difference of the money you take home is so, for the amount of work I had to put in to make that extra to get to from 18 to 120, didn't justify what I was gonna actually taking home

Starting point is 00:53:14 because as I moved up that ladder, I was also moving up the tax bracket. And so I was doing all this extra work just to stretch myself to that 121.30 mark. And yet I felt like I was still making 80 or 90 K here. It was so frustrating. Some of the highest tax revenues that we've ever collected, which my point is that my finish with hot is that that made me not want to work more. Do more. It's like, why do more if I'm not going to?

Starting point is 00:53:39 And it's not just that less more taxes or more money to taxes means, means less money for companies and individuals to innovate and invest and grow. So it's not just you're less motivated. It's also I got less capital to go out and can't hire help. And to great. So some of the highest decades or years of tax revenue collection in America were not when we had the highest tax rates. It was when the economy was crushing. When the economy is crushing, even if we have a lower tax rate, we collect more because things are crushing. So this is always the balancing that people have to understand

Starting point is 00:54:13 when it comes to tax rates. It's like, you can raise taxes. That doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna collect more money, though, because if you crush business with this, you're gonna collect less or the same. Right, because of the- The truth that has nothing, it has very little to do anything with our economy, GDP. None of that is to take an account. It's literally about growing government. It's always about taxation is always about creating more, more, more government,

Starting point is 00:54:34 bigger government. That's the whole, the whole purpose of it. If they ever try and sell you, that's the of them pissing down your back and telling you it's raining. Yeah. With no accountability. Yeah. Yeah. Almost. Here you go. What does that say there? According to this, the federal government, this is in 2022, spent $6.3 trillion and tax dollars were $4.9 trillion. So what's the rate? 78%.

Starting point is 00:54:55 Well, you know, he create other taxes called inflation by printing more money, more debt, you know, that type of thing. So we're getting tax on the way our numbers. Yeah. Well, you know what the problem with this is, is that most people don't understand all of this. They definitely don't understand inflation. So how, and we have a democracy where we elect people.

Starting point is 00:55:17 So you now you're a politician, and let's say you want to be honest until the truth, be like, hey guys, listen, we can't pay for all the shit. Like Ross Pro, yeah, remember we did that? listen, we can't pay for all the shit like Ross Pro. Yeah, remember we did that. Yeah. We can't pay for all the stuff. So we're not going to give you all this free stuff.

Starting point is 00:55:30 The next day comes up is we can totally pay for the stuff. We're going to we're going to tax the other guy over there or not you and it's all good. You get all free stuff. Like you're not going to win. So it always goes down that that route. It just keeps growing. The beast keeps on keeps on moving forward. I know.

Starting point is 00:55:44 I know. I know, crappy. I know we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we I always just need a reminder than I'm gonna be right back on board. It just feels good I just feel good when I take it. We've got a meeting with them coming up I'm really curious to hear what it's about We haven't actually talked to Drew in a while and they reached out and I think Katrina scheduled for us for next week Sometimes so I don't know like something to do with doing either they got something else coming out Or they want they wanted to do more with our partnership Remember last time we talked with them. Remember he was wearing that, I don't know where that jacket was, like a Michael Jackson or Sergeant Patrick. He's got some serious style.

Starting point is 00:56:27 Yeah, he just, it's out there. He's just, he's like a red with a Drew Keele. I love Drew, Drew, Drew. He's a nice guy. He's a really nice guy. He is, he's a,

Starting point is 00:56:34 he's a character and you know, to talk about his brilliance and humility to scale something to the size that he did. I mean, I don't know where organized numbers are today. I know they're north of a hundred million dollar company, which is a pretty damn big company. And he had to wear with all early on in that business to step aside and allow someone else to run it.

Starting point is 00:56:54 It takes a lot knowing what we know and where we're at in this business, like imagine you like relinquishing your roles as executives and giving that the keys to somebody else when you're in the middle of building a scaling. That takes a lot, man. It does. That takes a lot. Especially when you built it. It's a lot of trust. Yeah. It takes a lot of trust. It takes a lot of balls.

Starting point is 00:57:12 It takes a lot of humility. Imagine if you did that, right? Like Steve Jobs, right? Imagine if you did that and then you saw mine pump going the wrong direction. Oh, panic. Especially since, you know, it'd be fun. We talked to remind me to bring this up because it would be interesting to hear from him that if it was, as soon as he stepped aside,

Starting point is 00:57:30 was it like a rocket ship and just kept going? Or did they go through a little bit of a low and transition of the changing of the garden, so like that, because you're right. I can't imagine bringing another executive in, stepping back our roles. And then watching a run, right? Yeah, and even if it wasn't going the wrong,

Starting point is 00:57:44 it was just kind of really being stagnant. You'd be like, oh my God, I gotta take it back and then what, okay. Yeah, and even if it wasn't going the wrong, we're just kind of really being stagnant. You'd be like, oh my God, I gotta take it back and then having trust and faith, okay, it's gonna take time to legacy. Yeah. All right, so shout out, I'm gonna shout out Jason Calipa. Good friend of ours is a CrossFit God. Super nice guy.

Starting point is 00:57:59 Haven't talked to him in a while. Super nice guy. Just the machine, physical machine. I think his Instagram is just at Jason Calipa, Calipa's K-H-A-L-I-P-A. There's a foundation that he always points to, right? What's his goal? Jesse Reese Foundation. And this is for child cancer research?

Starting point is 00:58:17 Is that a correct, I believe so. You know, I don't know if I ever told you guys this. I don't know if he knows, either that. I actually saw him. You remember Austin Begeeding? Yeah, okay. So you remember Austin, right? Well, all of it. So, yeah, name that probably I've heard a long time. So he, him and I worked together at the Capitol McKee 24th. This is my first one. So I'm 20, you know, barely 21 or two or something like that. And he eventually went over to work for Milpitas. And this was before CrossFit was like a thing,

Starting point is 00:58:46 right, before anybody knew what it really was. It was still underground coming from Santa Cruz and just like small pockets were doing it. And he called me up and he's like, hey, you gotta come check this CrossFit thing out. They have one of their little games that was happening in the parking lot is all you gotta watch this Jason Clepa kid.

Starting point is 00:59:01 And so he was only like 18 years old. So I actually watched him just like destroy all these men at like 18 years old in a parking lot at Mo Pidas. Wow. So if he hears this, like, I don't think I've ever told him that. He's still a moose man. Oh, he was a beast back then. I don't know exactly how old he was,

Starting point is 00:59:16 but I know he was younger than me. He's younger than us. And I was only, I was in my early 20s. So he had a baby. And I remember him just, he just destroyed everybody. It was even close. Super nice, guys. Seed makes the world's best probiotic.

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Starting point is 01:00:22 to strengthen. If you look at the studies on osteophenia, osteoporosis, bone density, the best intervention you can do that's non-medical or pharmaceutical or whatever, is just weight-bearing exercise. It makes existence strengthens all of the tissues. I mean, it's, I don't know, where they're hearing otherwise. Like, where's this information coming from that says it's not strengthening bone due to resistance training. Yeah, we've known this for a long time. I mean, remember you've brought up before too, the, I mean, long bowman, how that can start to impact

Starting point is 01:00:54 like even the shape of your bones and structure. So to think that resistance training is not having a positive impact on strengthening and supporting your bones would be ridiculous. Oh, it's incredible. I had a client, I've told a story long time ago. You know, I wonder if this is, sorry, to cut you off.

Starting point is 01:01:09 I wonder if this is the movement that's happening right now to be like anti lifting weights and stuff like that. I bet. You've been talking about that. Yeah, stupid. So I had a client, I haven't talked about this in a while. I had a client, I had a client years ago who had osteophenia, was healthy,

Starting point is 01:01:25 could it, and it was just, she was slowly declining her bone density. And so her doctor was, they put her on, I think was phosimax, was the drug and some stuff to try and slow down. It wasn't really, you know, it was still happening. She was really worried. She was a professor and she was teaching class

Starting point is 01:01:41 and she would share things with her class. And one of her students used to work for me. It says, Hey, I know SkyName Sal is a young studio. You should hire him as a trainer. Strength training is supposed to be good for it. So she did. She hired me. And we did very basic strength training.

Starting point is 01:01:54 She was in her at the time. I want to say she was in her late 50s, early 60s. And she wasn't a big woman. She was petite, so not strong. But we did traditional strength training. And I'll never forget, it was, I wanna say six months of strength, it was less than a year. She went and got her bone density test.

Starting point is 01:02:11 Her doctor tested her again, cause he didn't believe the results. Contacts me and says, this, I've never seen anything like this, what are you doing with this woman? I said squatting, pressing, rowing, traditional strength. Did he end up using her as like a case study?

Starting point is 01:02:25 He think they made her a case study. Yeah. Because of the impact. So if you have strong muscles, unless there's something weird going on, or really out of the ordinary, you have strong bones, just the way it works. Next question is from Calico.

Starting point is 01:02:42 What are your thoughts on programs like Body Pump for getting LinkedIn? That's terrible. That's terrible. Oh, what is it? Just pure circuit training. Body pump is cardio. Is the cardio group X classes.

Starting point is 01:02:55 It's a Les Mills group class with trash. Yeah, and it's with... I'm just gonna say it's trash. It's with barbells and dumbbells, but really what it is, is just they were capitalizing on strength training, but it's in a circuit fashion. It's cardio, it's trash. It's with barbells and dumbbells, but really what it is, it's just they were capitalizing on strength training, but it's in a circuit fashion. It's cardio, it's really no different.

Starting point is 01:03:09 Yeah, save your money and go for a run. Yep. I mean, you're gonna get the same type of benefits. You're getting very, very little benefits of building muscle and a body pump class. Now you guys mentioned it, and it was like a shortened range of motion wraps. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:23 Where they get the little plastic weights. Remember they have the like, step. And it's like you're stepping in curl and I remember this step in the curl and impressin' and doin' a little dosy dough. And it's like that little class is moving and lifting weights and stuff. And you have the same type.

Starting point is 01:03:35 And you have the group dynamic where everybody's like going too fast. Like zero rest period. The only rest period is setting your step. Your stacks up are changing the weight that they do every once in a while. It's a step class with weights. Now, that doesn't mean there's no benefit.

Starting point is 01:03:47 I mean, it's movement. And there's always, as long as you don't hurt yourself or over do it, as long as it's appropriate, yeah, it's healthy to move. Yeah, it's just not strength training. It's healthy to move, but is there any, is there benefits with a body pump class like you get from strength training?

Starting point is 01:04:00 No, zero, it's cardio. It's no different than any other form of cardio, except you're moving the rest of your body, whatever, but really doesn't make that big of a difference. So if you want the benefits of strength training. No, zero, it's cardio. It's no different than any other form of cardio, except you're moving the rest of your body, whatever, but really doesn't make that big of a difference. So if you want the benefits of strength training, what makes strength training, strength training, has less to do with the fact that you're lifting weights, okay, bear with me,

Starting point is 01:04:15 how are the fact that you rest in between sets? Yeah, how you lift weights? Yes, it's about the, you do a set of eight, 12, 15 reps, with it's high enough intensity, right? You gotta create tension. And then you rest for two minutes, and then you repeat it. That rest is what makes it strength training. The no rest is what makes it cardio.

Starting point is 01:04:33 And all these, I don't want to say all, but all the ones I know of, of group classes with weights are cardio. None of them are real, or that I've seen are real strength training. And I guess I should be clear on that, right, that when I say something like it's trash, it's better than you sitting on the couch and watching TV. Right. Okay, that's, we're not compared. But if you, when you talk about, is it the best way to get lean?

Starting point is 01:04:55 First of all, cardio is not even the best way to get lean, right? So the question is, is body pump a good for getting lean? Well, first of all, cardio is definitely not the best way to get lean in the first place. And so doing a class that is inferior weight training in a cardio fashion is like up there with one of the worst ideas for your approach to getting lean. You've been far better off doing traditional strength training or saving your money and just doing cardio if you're going to go that route, which is still not a great way to get lean. That's right. The calories that you burn, why you move your body quickly

Starting point is 01:05:25 adapts, learns to burn less calories, oftentimes by pairing muscle down. So that's why it's not effective. In studies, confirm this. The most effective way to exercise for fat loss is to train in a way to increase, yeah, preserve or build muscle to speed up your metabolism. So you burn more calories at rest all the time.

Starting point is 01:05:44 And that's not what body pump does. Next question is from Casey Diaz Smith. Can you take mobility too far such as knees over toes guy? Well, he's, there's a special, okay. Can you look up that move because I don't not familiar with that. I like his content. Yeah, I love him.

Starting point is 01:06:00 I'm probably gonna support what he says. I'm not pointing with most of the videos I mean. First list to find mobility. Mobility is not I mean. First, let's define mobility. Mobility is not flexibility. Flexibility is a component of mobility, but mobility, the way that we talk about it, is the ability to move through different ranges of motion with strength, control, and stability.

Starting point is 01:06:20 Okay, under that context, can you go too far with that? No, no, you can't. If you can move in greater ranges of motion and still maintain good control, good stability and good strength, then it's great. It's great. And the greater the range of motion that you can do with all that strength and stability and control, the better. Because you have wider ranges of movement and strength. Click on her Instagram. And also the work that went into a lot of those ranges of motion. Like I guess like just jumping in

Starting point is 01:06:48 and watching a video of him doing something where it's like an extreme range of motion that he's worked his way towards. Like that looks like risky. It looks like a lot of risk of injury, but at that point like there's a whole period of working your way up progressively towards strengthening each one of those parts

Starting point is 01:07:09 of that range of motion. Yeah, I don't like, so this Von Jammu's or Van Jammu's, however you say it. I'm not familiar with her, so it's tough to comment on someone I haven't gone through their content, but what I can tell you about Niz over Toe's guy, which is his name's Ben, something, or I forget his last name.

Starting point is 01:07:23 Oh, he's legit. He is legit And I've heard him I've heard him talk in long form and communicate what he is teaching and training So so what I don't like people to do is to look at some viral girl like this who we're looking at right now on Instagram And you see some crazy, you know flexible thing that she. And then you want us to comment on it. No, I like her. Oh, that's too far. I'll tell you why I like her.

Starting point is 01:07:48 There's two posts right now that I like. The one says, stretching will not make you flexible. Love that. Scroll down a little bit, Doug. Look at the next one. Stop stretching. Start strengthening. Just based off of those two, I think we can probably estimate or guess that she knows

Starting point is 01:08:02 what she's talking about. Right. Because you can take stretching too far. Right. You can give yourself so much flexibility that you have no strength and stability within your range of motion. And now you've just made yourself more prone to injury. So strength is a very important component and mobility.

Starting point is 01:08:17 Never heard of this, check. You know, good content. Okay. We're going through our stuff right now and everything actually looks pretty damn good. What I see. Yeah. The only risk I mean. So yeah, like passive flexibility. Yes, Yeah, the only risk, I mean, so yeah,

Starting point is 01:08:25 like passive flexibility, yes, there's issues there because like, if especially if you're athlete and you need to have tension, you need to have a tightness in order to be explosive and produce and generate force, right? And so, you know, to have like good fluid movement, you still have to strengthen those ranges of motion to maintain your ability to have strength in that.

Starting point is 01:08:50 Yeah. Do you guys remember when that study came out, I want to say it was the late 90s or early 2000s, or they found that, because the way that people used to warm up back in the day before athletic endeavors was static stretching. We all did this in PE, everybody did this in football and baseball, whatever. And then they did a study and found that static stretching increased risk of injury when people would go exercise. Everybody freaked out, how is this possible?

Starting point is 01:09:11 Well, because what you do when you static stretches, you temporarily increase your range of motion, but there's no strength and stability alongside it. So all you've done is made the person more unstable. We used to be taught to breathe your way through and like release, right? And to be able to passively end up in that position instead of really connecting.

Starting point is 01:09:30 Yeah, so it's totally different to intention. Yeah, I love our stuff right now. Move better, recover faster, and both prove your joints with strength and mobility. Yeah, she knows what she's talking about. There you go. We'll have her on. I'm gonna reach out to her.

Starting point is 01:09:42 Next question is from Alexis Athletes. Are there other ways alongside foam rolling and stretching to help release tight muscles? Yes. Okay, here's a deal. Okay, stretching, foam rolling gives you temporary relief because it tells the central nervous system to chill out. Tells us the NS to chill out with that tight muscle.

Starting point is 01:10:03 But you have to understand why that muscle is tight in the first place in stability, right? So here's what happens. Look, your central nervous system is what tells your muscles what to do. It tells your muscles when they can be relaxed. It also tells your muscles when they need to tighten up. And a good example of this is if you stand up and sit down,

Starting point is 01:10:21 your CNS is what told the muscles to contract and squeeze through your stand up and to allow you to sit down. Now, why are some muscles just tight for no reason? I'm here sitting on the couch and my neck is tight or my shoulders tight or my hip feels tight. What the hell is going on? Well, your CNS has identified that there's some instability somewhere and the way that it's creating stability

Starting point is 01:10:42 is by causing specific muscles to be slightly flexed. It's protective. And if a muscle is slightly flexed all the time, it starts to feel sore, it starts to feel not great. And then it feels better when someone pushes on it or you foam roll it or you stretch it. So the best way to alleviate tight muscles is to find out why they're tight in the first place and create stability through that, through strength exercise, through string-chang exercises the proper way so that your CNS doesn't feel the need to, you know, tense those muscles all the time. So for example, one of my favorite things to do and I would get a new client,

Starting point is 01:11:18 really common for people to have tight neck muscles, really, really common. So easy selling technique for me with someone will come in, oh, you got really tight muscles. I'm going to press on them real quick. They feel a little better. Now, let me do some strengthening exercises for some of the muscles that I know that you probably are weak in through other assessments I'd notice. That are going to give you the stability that you need, which is why you're seeing Ss

Starting point is 01:11:39 is making these other muscles tight. So, we would do, for example, like a seated cable route where they really pull the shoulders blades back and down. And we do a few sets, then they'd stand up and they'd go, oh, I can't believe how good my neck feels. Like, what did you just do? And I look like, you know, like I knew magic or something. But really, what I did is I temporarily created some stability. So the central nervous system could just chill out a little bit. So that's how you solve tight muscles is you create stability where it needs to be.

Starting point is 01:12:03 Oh, and this is really what motivated us to create Prime Pro. So in Prime Pro, we teach you how to go through every major joint in your body and test it, both left or right, and see if there's a discrepancy. And even if you don't have chronic pain or you don't have any major issues, I guarantee if there's a major discrepancy from left to right on your joint range of motion on one side versus the other,

Starting point is 01:12:25 you're gonna eventually get tight muscles when you start lifting. That's just what's going to happen to the point that Sal is making and so this is a great way for you to stay ahead of it before it even happens and then most certainly if you're battling it all the time, this is how you get to the root cause of it, is you go through those tests, figure out which side where there is this limited range of motion and then you do the exercises that we program in there to support that. Exactly. Look, if you like fitness and you like MindPump and you want good information and you want to ask us a question, here's what you do. Go to askmindpump.com.

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