Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2111: What to Do When You’ve Plateaued, Why Bulking Can Help You Look Better, Splitting up Maps Programs Into Shorter Workouts & More & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 5, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: The three BEST ways to use electrolytes. (2:31) How an unhealthy diet can affect your sleep. (13:08) Sal’s viral tweet explained. (16:05) Lululemon’s bad PR move. (24:44) Looking deeper into the Good Samaritan law. (27:42) Digging into cutting research on psychedelics when it comes to therapy and counseling. (36:28) Organifi’s Pure makes you feel awesome. (45:31) Shout out to @vanja.moves. (48:39) #ListenerLive question #1 - My goal is just to be healthy and have a healthy body percentage for my age. I started the year with a proper cut and brought my calories down to 2000 from 2400. I recently had a DEXA scan that told me that I was 30% body fat. How can I get to my goal of being at a healthy body fat percentage and am I going about it the right way? (50:03) #ListenerLive question #2 – Is it ok or is it beneficial to adapt the MAPS 15 Minutes programming to other MAPS programs? (1:05:26) #ListenerLive question #3 – With my current programming my back is still sore from deadlifts by the time I get to squat day. There have been multiple times now that I go for my first warm up set of back squats and my back immediately locks up and is in insane pain which cuts my workout short because I can’t continue doing squats or any hip hinge movements. Is there something else I could be doing differently to avoid experiencing this so often? (1:12:59) #ListenerLive question #4 – What type of workouts should I try to avoid or focus on when dealing with sciatica pain? (1:19:06) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** July Promotion: MAPS Starter | MAPS Starter Bundle 50% off! **Code JULY50 at checkout** Effects of Sodium Intake on Health and Performance in Endurance and Ultra-Endurance Sports Junk food may impair our deep sleep -- ScienceDaily @mindpumpsal Twitter post on religion Mind Pump #1480: How To Find Peace & Meaning Amid Chaos With Bishop Robert Barron Lululemon stands by decision to fire employees who intervened in robbery "Good Samaritan Law" in California - A Quick Legal Breakdown Mind Pump #2092: How To Cultivate Amazing Relationships With Adam Lane Smith Ketamine Depression Treatment: How It Works, Research, Safety Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Why The Scale Is Not Always The Best Way To Measure Progress – Mind Pump Blog MAPS 15 Minutes MAPS Prime Webinar MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Supine Piriformis Stretch UNLOCK Tight Hips With This Hip Flexor Stretch! - YouTube 90/90 to Pigeon Pose Hip Stretch Progression - YouTube MAPS Symmetry Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Bishop Robert Barron (@bishopbarron) Instagram Jonathan Pageau (@jonathan.pageau) Instagram Adam | Relationship Psychology (@attachmentadam) Instagram Mobility, Strength & Flexibility (@vanja.moves) Instagram  

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And the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Electrolites, sodium, potassium and magnesium, necessary for cells to communicate with each other, necessary for muscle contractions, necessary for your brain to work right. Here's the three best ways to use electrolytes.

Pre-workout. Use it as a pre-workout or with your pre-workout to improve athletic performance, your pumps, your strength, and your recovery. Here's the second one. Before cognitive performance, you have a test coming up. You need to study, take some electrolytes. Loss of electrolytes are too low, sodium, magnesium, potassium, can reduce, magnesium, potassium can reduce cognitive function and can reduce your memory, can make it harder for you to remember things. Here's the third way.

You wake up throughout the middle of the night to pee often, have some electrolytes before you go to bed. The sodium helps you retain water, reduces the amount of times you have to wake up to pee thus improving your sleep. Those are the three best ways to use electrolytes. In regards to the cognitive one, why is it then we feel,

tend to feel sharper and more clear-minded when we do like a fast? Oh, that's different. That's different. So when you fast, you naturally will produce ketosis. Well, that's if you're in ketosis, but what happens when you fast as your body

starts to produce more cataclysmines have been effort and effort and effort and cord is all, cord is all feels good. So that's what's happening. Now, you really want to kick ass fast and then have electrolytes. So no calories, so you still get that, plus you get the electrolytes, now you're on fire.

In fact, yeah, that makes me want to do that now. In fact, some people will fast, and because their electrolyte's are low, they'll feel like garbage. And then you have them add some sodium or whatever to their water, and all of a sudden they feel a mess. Because I haven't done this yet.

So, you know, I just, it wasn't that long ago when I did do a three day fast, but I did not utilize element, and now you make me want to do that. Like, I wonder if I would notice a cognitive boost. I mean, I already feel a little bit sharper when I'm fast. I wonder if I would notice a cognitive boost. I mean, I already feel a little bit sharper when I'm fast. I wonder if I would feel that elevated even more if I was just the water that I was,

because I was drinking, I ended up drinking a lot when you're fasting and you keep one, just keep your mouth busy and hydrated, right? But if I was actually using element every time, I wonder if I would notice the difference. I did it when I was fast. Oh, you did.

I did. I noticed, this even before we worked with element, I would just it. I did it when I was fast. Oh, you did. I did. I would notice, this even before we were to the element, I would just add sodium and salt to my water and I had magnesium and potassium pills. I had to buy everything separate. And it was a big difference. Because you know when you fast taking get those muscle cramps or this one was coming with me,

about 24 hours into a fast, if I was on the floor sitting and I stand up, I'd get a little for a second dizzy because it would lower your blood pressure. When I added the electrolytes, that was gone. So I felt, I just felt better, I felt more energy. So you know where I go? And this is a little bit more on like the electric conductivity. In terms of like, your body is basically conducts electricity,

right, to like send impulses. So your muscles respond, so your cut, like your brain sort of fires and operates more effectively. So this is like sort of like producing a better environment for that conductivity to occur. That's why they call it electrolytes. That's exactly what they do. Yeah. That's exactly what that's exactly what that's, but just from like a, like, you know, I guess like a, I don't know how to describe it. Well, from a communication, you need electrolytes

for cells to be able to communicate and operate to each other and work. Right. You need them. It's like the root function of it. Yeah, in fact, do you know how dangerous it is? If let's say you were trapped and you needed water and all you had was distilled water.

Yeah, you know that that's very dangerous. Yeah, no, there's been bodybuilders that have like fucked themselves up by thinking drinking distilled water would be a good idea. When they're also depleted like crazy too. Like there's some like horror stories from that habit. Yeah, natural clean water in nature is usually high in electrolytes because it's been filtered minerals. Yes because it's been filtered through the rocks

or mountains or when you have purified water, they'll add the electrolytes back in, they'll add the stuff back in because like I said distilled water is dangerous. Distilled water is like it's the purest water. There's nothing like you should never drink distilled water. Distilled water is used for other things like medical applications or like it's good for like

using it for filter filters. Like if you have pumps, like for example, like the, yeah, cause the electrolytes will get caught. It's right, and it'll create like calcium buildups. Or like a netty pot. Yeah, so like all my waterfalls and stuff like that that I have, they had that little pumps. And so I used distilled water. Oh, because then you don't get the minerals on them. Yeah, so like all my waterfalls and stuff like that that I have they had that little pumps and so I used to still water

Oh, then you don't get the minerals on that. Yeah, absolutely So I've been getting hit up a bunch by coaches athletes So we're getting into summer where a lot of times like athletes and coaches they structure like more Explosive movement conditioning, you know that kind of stuff. They're out in the sun and, you know, just so they're a bit concerned. And this is one thing I made sure of, like, when I was a part of, like, you know, that training process of bringing in a lot of the element to the athletes and like introducing them to that,

like, obviously giving them alternative to take like some pinch some, you know, mineral salt in their water, but had better result even. And I know there's like a breakdown of potassium and magnesium on some level, right? Yeah, in fact, they balance it out. Yeah, so a packet of, a packet of element has a thousand milligrams of sodium.

So someone listening, he's like, oh my God, that's a lot of sodium. Studies on athletic performance and health and these are healthy individuals, about four to six grams a day. So four to thousand to six thousand milligrams a day is optimal. The RDA believes like two to three, which is off. In fact, two thousand to three thousand in healthy individuals shows worse health and athletes reduce performance. So it's got to be much higher. So this is why elements very different. Other electrolyte powders will have like 200 milligrams

of sodium, if everybody's afraid of sodium. So you have to drink like eight of them, you know, or four of them, whatever to get the same thing. Magnesium 60 milligrams, 200 milligrams of potassium. Yeah, so that balance, I just noticed specific because I was sort of, I mean, some kids had their own concoction that they're putting, that are drinking gatorate or whatever it was, but in terms of muscle

cramps and like, so that was a big issue that we were like constantly battling. Do you know the original gatorade had more sodium than they do now? Yeah, yeah, it was more of a powder that they would add in and it wasn't this like predatory because of the whole sodium scare that started in the 80s and 90s. Remember, these studies connected high sodium to heart disease and it's like the whole fat movement while we start doing non-fat milk and everything like that. Yeah, and what they did is they didn't control very well. So people, if you took a thousand people

every day Americans, okay? And you looked at sodium intake, people with higher sodium have worse health. True, but the reason why they have worse health is because high sodium is in heavily processed foods or a lot of sodium. So if unless you control that for that factor, what you're actually seeing when you see a high sodium is these people consume a lot of potato chips, a lot of processed foods, a lot of garbage. Now, if you control that and everybody eats

healthy, and then you look at sodium, now you'll see the huge difference. Huge difference, very interesting. And then if you look at people who work out or who are athletes, I mean, I'm not gonna, this is, don't take this lightly. A little bit too low of electrolyte, drastically reduce your athletic performance. This is a game changer for athletes. If you play outdoors and you're in the sun and you supplement with, let's say you put element in your water

You'll not notice a little bit of a difference. You'll notice a big enough difference towards dramatic It's so amazing how much of this stuff like I wish I wish I had my knowledge now as a kid as a young athlete who is that was like You know, I wasn't the greatest athlete like I was the kid who worked his ass off to be able to get, you know, playing time, worked his ass off to me. Like, he would took a lot, you know? I wish I had that competitive edge where I had this, no, there's so many things.

And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it.

And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried to do it. And you just tried or cramp. Do you guys remember? Just drink more water. No. Well, okay, good. You guys had good teachers. Yeah, well, I mean, that's not the full answer, but that was at least.

Oh, that was better than what I heard. Yeah. They used to say, don't drink too much water. You'll get a side stitch or a cramp. I swear to God, it's what these tell us. Wow. And I thought up until I was like in high school, oh, yeah, before I go do something hard, I drink too much, I might be, is the opposite.

Our coaches like growing up, so like, you know, JV and all that, like, they would restrict our water. And we couldn't even have water. It was like a weakness. That was common in football. You saw that all the time where they had the little, you know, those water sprayer things with that and then like they wouldn't let the players go over there.

It'd be like, it'd be their reward for executing so many plays around. Till kids surpass you. Yeah. I'm here running a bunch of rides. It's like, no, until everybody crosses it this time, nobody gets water. Yeah.

Wow. I was like, why are you getting it with whole water? You want to know it's funny. So when I used to, so I was just thinking about this the other day, my dad has always loved salt. And people have always given him shit for it. Because of course, you know, there's a whole myth around sodium.

My dad always worked, a blue collar work, in the sun, in the heat, sweating his ass off, very hard worker, and he would talk, he would tell people, they'd be like, don't eat so much salt, it's not good for you. And he'd be like, I feel worse when I try to eat less sodium, I feel so much better. So whenever I'd go to work for him,

especially in the summer, when I was a kid, it's like 12, 13, and we'd be out in the sun and it's like, you're sweating, I'm carrying buckets of cement we're mixing things out there. He would always feel really good when my mom would give him like, deli meats, like a tine deli meat,

like prosciutto, salami, like things that aren't even healthy. And he said, I feel so good. It was a freaking sodium. Yeah. He was a sodium. That's why he was feeling so good because we would sweat our butts off. Yeah, of course.

But he had no idea, right? And then of course, you know, my mom was like, you're full of crap. It's not this love. My dad was right. Yeah. I know. Man.

It's just like, it's the propaganda from, yeah, we all got conditioned that like salt was just like horrible thing to have too much of. Now, you know, they used to fight wars over salt. Can't you guys know that? Yeah. Like major wars. That was like the original wars were over that.

Was that big deal? Do you guys know Gandhi? His like it's preserved meat. So much longer. Well, it's like one of the most valuable resources that you can get. You can get extremely valuable. You know, Gandhi's march was for salt.

You guys know that? Like his big ass mark. Yeah, because the salt that they would mine, the British, we're said that you guys can't have it. It goes back to us. So it was like a big thing. So that's one of his, it's one of the reasons why he protested.

Speaking of food, I just read an interesting study. They did a very well-made study. Now it wasn't a huge sample size, but the study was well done, where they compared equal calorie kind of macro breakdown diets, and they tried to see, and then it was crossover meaning these people ate this diet for a while and they this other diet for a while To see how it affect sleep

That's all it was how does an unhealthy Diet which which and the way they defined it wasn't higher calorie lower calorie. It was controlled It was just heavily processed foods over here, high in sugar, high in saturated fat, that kind of stuff, and then healthy diet over here. 12 food natural. Okay, whole food natural, less of those ingredients. I could do it here.

You could totally guess easily. The, and it wasn't the timing was, everything else was same, because I read the study, I'm like, okay, well, whether eating before bed, was it more calories? Yeah, I was gonna say. And then, it was like closer to failure. Yeah, and they would have a meat one,

and then eat the other one, And it was a sleep lab. It wasn't reported. It wasn't self-reported. So they were actually in a sleep lab monitored with a, yeah, hook up like, so they could see the different stages sleep. So a unhealthy diet reduced, same total sleep. They all slept the same. There was a little bit of a higher instance in insomnia

with the bad unhealthy diet. But the deep sleep, the restorative sleep was significantly less in the unhealthy diet. Significantly. You know what's funny about that point you're making right now is not long ago, we talked about the demonization of food and how there's this movement in space to not call some food, good food or bad food. Everybody in the fitness space can agree that sleep is arguably the most important thing that anybody can do to be healthy. And if there are certain foods, calories counted for exactly the same,

that you can eat, that one of them disrupts the most important thing that you could possibly get and one of them doesn't, how can you not label one of those good and bad for you? Right? It's this whole movement. Where there's like an economic angle to that, right? Like this misconception that like healthy food

so much more expensive and there's just so many ways now you can buy and bulk and strategize to find healthier options, but that used to be a big. That's pushback. That's one of the selling points for what they're saying. That's not the root. The root is, now there's a root that has some truth into it, which is shame, too much shame around diet

can drive people to actually worse. So, oh, you're eating a bad diet, you're a bad person, you're fat, like I get that, we talk about that all the time. So there's a little bit of truth there, but they go too far, right? They go too far in the opposite direction, which is like, nothing is bad, everything's the same. It's all, and there's also this movement just generally.

Twinkie hugs me. There's this movement in society to where everything is completely subjective. Well, what's good for you may be bad for someone else, and there's no objective truth in this whole bullshit, like this kind of philosophy. And it's just permeating the health space. So now there's good and bad food.

It's like the spiritual universe one. All right, yeah. You're talking about the. I saw that tweet. I saw that tweet. I'm like, you know what? I don't always. This is my first time.

I don't always retweet your stuff. I don't always repulsive. But I'm like, this is going to stir it up a little bit. I'm going to send this one out for sure. I just think I've been saying this for a really long time. Those of you that have been listening to this podcast have definitely heard me make comments about the irony of the people that are anti-religion, anti-god, but then the crystals universe talk and it's just like you have no idea how ridiculous you sound

being anti-god, anti-religion, and but being spiritual around crystals in the universe. It's... This is the tweet. You have no idea how to pronounce it. The tweet that I wrote, it's my first like tweet that kind of went off, is people who refer to the universe when talking about esoteric and spiritual topics want to so bad to say God, but they're afraid

of sounding religious. Yeah. So instead of saying God, they say, you know, I put it out in the universe, so the universe gave me this or whatever. It's like, okay, look. I mean, I didn't even say it. I just reposted it on IG and, you know, of course,

the DMs came. And of course, the only people that, I mean, I got it, and actually got a lot of, it was actually one of the more viral stories that I had posted a long time. So it definitely got shared from me, reposting it, and a lot of one of the most liked and everything like that. But then it woke up, of course, you can't help but feel triggered

when you're one of those people who refers to everything as the, thanking the universe for everything like that, you're that person, right? So you feel the need to come in and defend that. So those are the only people that I got. It's, so I had some people commenting, you know, who supported it, other people were like, offended by it, like one person goes,

well, you know why I say that? It's because religion is all about power and control and oppression and this and that said, all those things you listed are not because of religion. Those are all things that exist. Human, human nature. Yeah. You take out religion, it's still there.

These are still negative aspects of human behavior. You take out religion, it's still there. These are still negative aspects of human behavior. Religion is just, it's a practice and within that practice are human behaviors. So you're going to find. Man is flawed. Man is flawed and man has found a way to wield anything good for bad. Yeah. The more powerful something is, there is nothing pure out there that man has not found a way to wield for evil. Yeah. It's a fact. Name it. I'll wait. Yeah. There's not a single thing that is pure good that man has not found a way to wield for evil. Of course. It's a fact. And the more powerful it is, the more wise it is, the religion doesn't, isn't an exception. It's in there too. And arguably more because it is such a powerful thing.

And so the people of man has found a way to manipulate and use it just like in anything else. It's like when people blame, say, well capitalism, you know, that's right. Agreed, you created greed. No, no, greed existed before capitalism. Yeah. If anything, capitalism tries to mitigate the effects of greed,

because at least with capitalism, if you're really greedy, you got to give somebody what they want before you can get what you want. So it's the same thing, but with this particular thing, it's interesting to me because religion has been stigmatized. So I think there's a lot of people that say, they don't say God because they're afraid of how it's gonna sound.

And saying the universe sounds more accepting or cool or acceptable. So like I'm gonna crowd a people if I say God, oh, someone's gonna whatever. But if I say the universe, everybody's like, oh, cool, you know, this universe is always a vacuum there. Yeah. Well, look, here's a deal.

I remember when we interviewed Bishop Baron, this blew my mind. This is when I was, I went from atheistic, gnostic and then from there to Christian. And this, one of these conversations was the one that kind of moved me in that direction. I remember Bishop Aaron explaining how everybody worships, everybody does.

Yeah. And the way that I, that he explained it, or at least the way I like to explain it is, every decision you make every day is based off of the value. You turn left because it's better than turning right. You put on this shirt because you like a more nat shirt. Everything you do is a decision because it was better than the alternatives. And if you follow that all the way up to the top, there's a top value that you have. Your actions worship that top value. So if you can say you don't worship anything, but if you study

your actions, we'll tell you what you worship. and it's gonna be money or power or honor or pleasure or worshiping yourself or yourself or whatever, right? So we're making things into God all the time. So whether we realize it or not. Yeah, or you become deliberate by an intentional and say, well, I'm not gonna accidentally worship some shit. I'm gonna try worshipipping this thing over here. And that probably, you know, will take who is it along these lines?

Jonathan Pageau, he did this great. God, I love that guy. I'm going down his stuff. I know. He said, God, he talked about people who say, people have faith and say that, you know, well, whatever happens to me, it's what God wants for me. And he goes, it's not predictive. It's not, you're not saying you know what's gonna happen.

All you're doing is you're putting yourself in a position to no matter what happens, you could get hit by a cardamom or become paralyzed. No matter what happens, the best possible position to be in is to be in a position where you view whatever happens to you as something God is doing for acceptance. I thought, wow, what a powerful way of saying that, right?

Cause all kinds of shit may happen. You don't know what's gonna happen. But if you view everything is like, this is a gift, this is for me, that's the best possible attitude I think you could have. I can't say what? I can't say a release of control. It's a release of control and it's also reframing everything

as what is this, why? It's a different perspective. It's a release of control and it's also reframing everything as what is this? It's a different perspective. It's a better outlook. Totally. Everything happens for me, not to me. If you come from a place of everything's happening to you, then you automatically default to the victim versus you would totally empower yourself by saying that

even in the worst of worst things that happen in your life, that somewhere there's a gift in there, somewhere there is a lesson, somewhere there is an opportunity. So everything that happen in your life that somewhere there's a gift in there, somewhere there is a lesson, somewhere there is an opportunity. So everything that happens in my life, both good and bad, and it doesn't matter how traumatic it is, is an opportunity for growth

or for something good to come of it. And living in a life of optimism like that, let me tell you, it's a lot better place to be than on the other side of you being pessimistic and the victim and all these other, these outside circumstances are happening to me. That's an awful, awful way to live. Yeah.

I can't think of a better mindset that is going to give you the highest potential of success because you don't know what's going to happen. Nobody knows what's going to happen. Nobody knows what life is is gonna throw at you. So rather than trying to predict what's gonna happen, your best bet is to create a mindset that is the best possible way to handle whatever happens to you. And both good and bad.

If something really good, that happens to you, you're more likely to be grateful and more likely to not take it for granted. It's gratitude. And if something bad happens to you. You're more likely to be grateful and more likely to not take it for granted It's gratitude and if something bad happens to you You're more likely to survive it and then become stronger as a result. So You know for anyone listening right now like that attitude is just a good attitude to have That's why it's such a this is why studies show that people have that attitude do better Yeah, they just just bleeds into all aspects of your pursuits quite such, this is why studies show that people have that attitude, do better. Yeah.

They just just bleeds into all aspects of your pursuits, or whatever it is in front of you, relationships like you're learning, your academic focus, your job, anything. Like it's just, it's just, you got to think about like what's, what, what tool is going to serve me best in terms of my mindset. Yeah, business, God, you guys know we've all been entrepreneurs for so long. You guys have known people like this where they have the wrong attitude and they're going to start a business

and you know, like, did you're not gonna make it? Yeah. You know, like everything's like, you're not resilient. Yeah, like I'm a victim. I can't, oh my god, this is so unfair. The economy, I can't, this is terrible. And you're like, man, you're not going to do this because you're going to have all kinds of struggles

and challenges. And if you can't figure out a way to spin that and turn that into something that's going to move you forward, you're going to get crushed right away because that shit's going to happen. That's why when you talk to why when you talk to successful entrepreneurs around business, they all have this attitude. They all have this attitude.

I told you about the client I trained years ago who, he told me, I asked him what's the key to success and he said, ask me how many times I failed. And he said, you know, that's expected. Yeah, yeah. And just to change your outlook on it. Absolutely. Did you guys see the news that came out of this is a while ago

Now, but I've been meaning to bring it up. I don't know if you guys saw it the Lulu lemon people that were fired the employees Yeah, I did. Did you hear about that story? They stopped the shoplifter. Yeah got fired They fired the person to stop the shop. Yeah, do you know what the justification was? Like, like, why they would get terminated for interviews like California? I think so. Yeah, I'm pretty sure maybe ducking that. Doug, look at that rule. Maybe I think I might have saved this link

because I was gonna talk about it a little more. I feel like I saw this one time before, it was like Walmart or this lady security guard just tackled this guy, like that was shoplift they did. But they didn't fire. I Think they're I think they were afraid I didn't say I didn't say but they I think they were afraid They might I'm trying to think like okay like a company. Maybe they're afraid of lawsuits Like if you stop somebody and you hurt them or let's do this as so they have a zero tolerance policy related to physically engaging with perpetrators

so according to them, but their lives and safety at risk. So they're probably like, look, if employees try to engage, they could potentially get themselves hurt or the customers hurt. I know, but I feel like that's all legal mumbo jumbo to cover your asses, a company, right? That's right. That's right. So then so when that situation happens, that's where I pull the employees and they say, hey, listen, and I appreciate, I appreciate what you did. I appreciate that you want to do this.

I know we say we don't not to do this, but you do. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of like a little fist bump behind the door, but it's like, yeah. I mean, that, how you handle that? You terminate them? No way.

Yeah. I mean, I, so I totally, from a legal standpoint, I totally understand this, that you would do that. For the safety of your employees and potential lawsuits, makes total sense to have that in place to protect you Especially in a state like ours So I get it But then when someone an employee does that I feel like I'm pulling them aside and just letting them hey man next time

You just let them take it you know at the end of the day. It's not like it's not gonna hurt especially because now it's not now It's all national news. Yeah, you know, so I don't know, man. Now you look like it, to me, now you look like a douchebag for getting rid of them, you know. Yeah, and also, I don't know, it feels like it kind of emboldens criminals a little bit. Yeah, I mean, that's all the messaging that I'm saying. That too.

Then it looks like, oh wow, the employees are being told that they can't do anything. Now I'm more, more, it's the predicament San Francisco's in. You know, it's just like you get, you go light on the law and order and then you see criminals thrive. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't, that kind of pisses me off a little bit.

I would do exactly what you said. Yeah. I would have that policy to protect my ass. And then behind closed doors, I'd take them aside and be like, listen. Fuck yeah, good job. I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna, I'd take them aside and be like, listen. Fuck yeah, good job. I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna, I'm gonna suspend you for a week, wink, wink. You're gonna get paid.

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna come back to work. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Right. I mean, isn't that the move? No, I don't know. I just, I saw that.

I thought that was really interesting. I think that's, being obviously business owners, I thought, man, what would you guys do? I wouldn't do that. You know that they had to come up with a law and an insurance, I think behind the law, to where if you perform CPR on somebody and you get sued by the person that this law protects you, and they had to do this. It's a good smaritan.

Yeah, I think someone like that. Well that's because people were getting sued. You can't stop, right? Once you start, you have to keep going. Is that how it works? No, people got sued because they would resuscitate someone and break their ribs, or I don't want you to reset to take me,

I was trying to come to suicide, or shit like that. There's also another one too, where I thought if you start basically CPR and somebody that you are supposed to go all the way until the... Yeah, but I don't think you're gonna get sued if you start. I don't know, I don't know. I have to look that out.

Have you guys ever seen someone do CPR by the way in real life? It's exhausting. Yeah, they happen in the gym one time. Yeah, they're going. Yeah, it's a lot of work Yeah, you see no, yeah, only normally there's two or three people that will take turns Yeah, they take turns you go for a little bit of the next one. We're what were we we were it was in the snow Remember we were somewhere we were all together skiing and there was a guy that collapsed and they Yeah, where was that that was at North Star? Yeah, was it North Star? What were you doing there? I was with you guys. He says keen. No, I was making hot toddy's I wouldn't even I wouldn't even replace with the sleds

I forgot you been up on the mountain with us. Yeah, yeah, you must have just went up there and hung out No, this guy collapsed and somebody there. It was right behind us. Yeah, and somebody used CPR and they were doing it on the person until, yes, and I remember I was watching because I'm like, they're gonna get tired, someone's gonna have to take over. It's not like in the movies where they're like doing this.

No, it's constant. You got to compress the chest, dude. It's serious. And that's the protocol now. It's like, it's just, it's all like You got to compress the chest, dude. It's serious. And that's the protocol now. It's just, it's all like compressions. Yeah. Interesting. So you cannot simply stop providing CPR because you feel like stopping.

That's right. It's considered a gross negligence and not protected by the Good Samaritan law. See? So you get sued for stopping? Yes. You get sued for stopping. Good to know. I got a crap.

If you commit, you go in and you start. That's not, I don't like that. I don't like that, man, because then it scares people to help. Well, yeah. I mean, but that's, if you feel like you can't get in trouble for helping someone that we're kind of

a society we live in. That's the deal though. I knew it was ridiculous like that. That's stupid. So if you step in and you start, you're committed to the medic shows up. Wow. That's why, too, you'll have situations like,

so I did it at a girl in high school who was a lifeguard and so she knew CPR and a guy had a heart attack and died on the plane and there was like 45 minutes before they could land and he was like dead, but she had to continue all the way until they landed. For 45 minutes? Yes.

Oh my God. You didn't win this heart and everything? Yeah. Yeah, wow. Like 20 a until a license medic came in and pronounced the dead, you're supposed to keep going until that's got to be the worst place to see something like that. Because there's no, you're, we're in the air. Oh, yeah. Can't do anything. And then knowing too, like you're continuing to do CPR and so on, we probably was definitely. What would you like to talk about? And he was like. Hey, let me take over.

That I don't remember. That's the story of so old it was when I was in high school. So there is a chance that maybe somebody else stepped in help. But if I've ever called, I think she was on her own. I think she was the only one that was doing it all the way, all the way till they did. I almost had a D.C.P.R. at the gym. Almost like we called them, you know, paramedics and I remember like, uh oh, and they came. They were fast.

They came that real quick. I was like, thank God, I don't have to get on this and do this because that's terrible. That's scary. Yes. You don't want to be responsible for that at San Atreaser. Notice if you have to use a distributor. This was a Hillsdale way back in the day. I was a AGM.

Oh, wow. Yeah, I was 18 year old kid. So and I'm like, I just learned this. Yeah. Hurry up. Get here. I don't want to have to. You like doing the math? Was it five one three one do it all

Yeah, well now that they say just compress like if you don't remember just go go go yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, type of I think that's what it's it's it's switched to completely now It's been a long time so I've done mine now gyms re are required. I don't know everywhere But I know here the required to have really called Jubilar to Fibrillator. Yeah, you're required to use those now. Yeah. Or to have on my shirt. I think the stats, look the stats on those, but like they've saved. Oh, so lies. Oh, well, I'm really sad to have those.

There is a cool stat on administering CPR and the defibrillator and like each layer like increases someone's chances of living by a dramatic. Yeah. Has it just just buys them a little more time of getting either some air or a pair of mags? Are you there? Two things that you can have in your house that actually statistically are good to have.

The first one is something for choking. Yeah, the choking. That's what I've seen the most. When you have kids and they're defibrillator. If you especially have somebody in the house, that's a little older, have a defibrillator there because it could literally- I have either one of those.

Yeah. Many times I've met the order of the choking one and I never did. I wish I would have. I told you guys, the damn ad got me because I hated the fucking ad. They got me because it was this ring camera and it shows us mom rushing her kid out to the grass who's

unconscious. I bought it right away. You see a kid and you freak out. I bought it right away. Get this thing right now. I don't want to. It's actually probably a really a product that sold a ton just because of that simple product.

Yeah. Yeah. It's scary. It's the panic. It's apparently. Yeah. You said you saw your kids. It was when we were podcasting. memory came the next day was the marble.

It was hella weird about it because you were so freaked out. I was so beside myself because it was, and literally I didn't know how it would affect me going further on like I was just like in the moment, just trying to like solve whatever was in front of me and like try to be calm and cool and collective. That was the biggest thing was just trying to like solve whatever was in front of me and like try to be calm and cool and collective. That was the biggest thing was just trying to like, like focus, you know, because it was so like, I don't know. I didn't want to look at it as like, oh, I can't remember when he did it, did,

where did you have to get him to the hospital to actually get it out or did you just lodge it before? Dislodge it before, but um, it actually, so what happened was, it actually opened up his throat, so he actually swallowed it all the way through. So it went down and then he was able to pass it. But it was lodged in there. And so we had him with his head in the freezer. And so he was breathing in all this cold air and it kind of calmed down into where he was able to get breaths again. And then I was on the phone.

Having on wife as a nurse. You know, in her friend's life. I never thought to put his head in the freezer. Okay. So she's, yes, definitely. But also too, like it, she was freaking out. And I love, you know, and I was, and I was like, she's freaking it, she was freaking out. And I love, you know, and I was, and I was like, she's freaking out, she's the nurse. I'm like, I'm a, I get imagine having like, you know, ER nurse for a while, but she's like, this is why I was so traumatized. Because I'm like, you

know, she's, she's my rock when it comes to any kind of medical issue or thing going on, I can ask her questions. So I just, I was on the phone and I'm like calming her down and then like, you know, I see my son who's like pale and blue and struggling for life. Oh my God. Anyway, I don't want to talk about anymore. Yeah. Like give me night. Bro, you know what?

I'm sure if you would have talked to her, she would tell you that. I mean, and when it's someone else's kid She's probably super common collective when it's your kid who you try to say their life like all that she goes out the window It's the same. She can't see me bleed either like she almost passes out when she's that's Muddy. Yeah, which is I'm like, you've seen like a gilly pure terrible nursing home Right, it's like You're like, you're amazing at work. You go home and you're like, I can't get it. Wow, yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, that's you know, it's funny.

Those scary moments like that, they stay with you. Yeah, stay with you because your brain and your body create this pattern that's supposed to protect you from ever doing that again. So it does this, like it becomes this over reactive over zealous pattern. I had to check myself on that. Yeah, because I noticed I'd act differently in whenever like ever it would cough or you'd have some you know, you get that reaction. Like oh yeah, like it was just all super like overly reactive and so yeah, it's been working through. Oh bro, years, I mean years ago I had someone close to me, you know, get cancer

and then, you know, long period of fighting it and then eventually died, every symptom, anybody had around me, I thought, oh shit, like there's gonna be cancer though. Cause it was just a PTSD from it. It's like every single thing, you know, coughing too much, or I got pain right here, I'm like, oh shit, you know, maybe it's this or whatever.

It stuck with me for a long time. It was hard, man. It was tough. Yeah, they're doing some pretty amazing research on using in Theogins and psychedelics for PTSD. I think that that I can't, I'm so excited for that because it's so hard to treat. Like some people never, they never get better. They go to therapy, they do all kinds of shit I'm so excited for that because it's so hard to treat.

Like some people never, they never get better. They go to therapy, they do all kinds of shit and they just learn how to live with it. But they never get better. The research on this stuff is so remarkable that it's actually curing people. It's crazy to me because I know I've shared a little bit of my experience with Katrina

and using like psilocybin and MDMA and what I think is so fat, in fact, so funny we were, her and I were talking last night and we're just, you know, sharing like where we're at in our relationship and things that are going good and this and that and like just always trying to be mindful of that. We always try and add those types of conversations before anything bad happens, right? It's like be ahead of that stuff. So I think we have this like incredible like, incredible system communication like I just it's amazing right? I'm so blessed

Yet using MDMA and so Simon has even broke through and like connected even things for us So I think like man if you're somebody who like when I think about the Adam Lane Smith episode that we had that you know You're you're one attachment. She's another attachment and there's for this major gap You're on way dude. Yeah, you get exactly you're way you getting your's another attachment, and there's, for this major gap. You get your own way, dude. Yeah, you get, you get your own way. You get in your own way, like, so, like, I couldn't help, but when we had that, her and I were listening to that,

I'm like, man, I can see all of our friends, like literally, when he's describing all these different attachments, I'm like, oh, that's her, that's him, that's him, that's her, that's, and like, you can see what probably the challenges are in their relationship. So I'm like, man, here we are. We think we have this incredibly,

this incredible communication system and we have such a strong bond in relationship. It have experienced what a breakthrough we've had with psilocybin MDMA before. I can only imagine relationships that have this massive gap and don't have great communication like that. It has to be life changing. Have you ever heard of this thing

that you end up with someone whose bite matches your wound? Have you guys heard this before? Never heard that saying, but I mean, I've talked many times about most people that they get with, unfortunately, is they're drawn to each other because of each other's insecurities. Well, there's what happens is on the other end of that, there's good stuff that they're drawn to, but then the bad stuff creates some negative attachments and then you get in your own fucking way. Just gonna get arguments and it can spiral and spiral. And then for some reason, sometimes we'll talk about

the same thing and all of a sudden we hear each other. All of a sudden it's like, oh, what? I know we've talked about this 50 different times, but now like you're hearing me, I'm hearing you, there's no, we're not reacting to it or whatever. Yeah, MDMA got originally that, so it was four, it was for marriage counseling. Oh, so it originally was for that?

Marriage counseling. That's what it was, I did not know that. Oh, interesting. Here's what's messed up. This is what's so annoying and irritating and frustrating is that when psychedelics and end theogenes like, MDMA and stuff, when those first were kind of came out, the research on them for therapy, for counseling,

started to explode, okay? Then because the government, because it was a big counterculture at the time, and the government considered the counterculture a threat, right? We had Vietnam war, we had the Cold War, you got all these hippies. They're saying some stuff that's crazy and it counter-government. Oh my God, it's very scary what's going on. But we can't throw them in jail because they're just protesting. It's just free speech.

Like, how are we going to attack them? The strategy literally was the drugs that they use, we're going to target, and then that's how we're going to throw them in jail. And it was very effective. But the side effect of that was when they scheduled these drugs the way they did, you couldn't research them anymore. So if you're, so you had this huge protest, I'd be able to know this. You had all these researchers who were so upset that they all of a sudden could no longer study these compounds. Like, you had these, these people who used MDMA for therapy and counseling,

who now we're like, I can't use this anymore. Like, this is so effective. Like, what's going on? You know, now some of the laws are being, being loosened. Like, I told you guys here in San Jose, you can now do with therapists and doctors, ketamine therapy. Oh, that's right. Yeah, so I'm gonna do this. Oh, you are. I am.

I haven't tried ketamine, so I can't wait to hear your experience. Yeah, so I'm not gonna, I won't do any of this stuff in that setting without, and I don't recommend other people do either. I'll do it with it's professional, because, I'm a professional, so I'm gonna.

However, it's a bit. It's the famous last words. You'd be careful bro. I'm a professional. You start coming in and you're talking about mother, I am. Yeah, you've been a little bit. I'm lost now. Oh no, we lost them.

But I'm gonna do it and it's with, you know, licensed professionals, cause I feel like if it's so powerful and effective in this direction, boy, you can do this. Of course. Of course. So I'm gonna do it. I'll let the audience know, you know, license professionals, because I feel like if it's so powerful and effective in this direction, boy, you can go to the next one. Of course. So I'm gonna do it. I'll let the audience know, you know,

what that's like for me and, you know, how you've already experienced so cyber and MDMA. So I can't wait to hear your experience with that and how you can compare this. So what classes is then a ketamine end? I don't ketamine's a, well, it's like a tranquilizer. It is.

And it's used as an anesthetic anesthesia. I think it's an entheogen. Maybe you can look it up like a tranquilizer. It is. It's used as an anesthetic anesthesia. I think it's an end theogen. Maybe you can look it up, Doug. Yeah. And see if it's so it's not. Whatever it's characteristics, I guess, is what I'm getting at. So I've never, like, I've never experienced anything,

like I've never done it. I've been told it feels like a big dose of like opiate. So like, like a viking in or a feeling like that. I hope not, because viking makes me feel nausea. I don't, obviously it's not that. Well, yeah, you did not, that's the viking. It's not the opiates that so like a vikin or a feeling like that. I hope not, because vikin makes me feel nausea. I don't, obviously it's not that. Well, yeah, that's the vikin. It's not the opiates that's making you nausea. It's all the other shit that's inside of a vikin

and that probably makes you feel like that. But my point is that feeling of that, you know, like you melt into the couch or that you, this is me, I have no idea. Okay, this is just what I've heard. So, okay, so, so, so here's how it was explained to me. I was actually asking somebody about this a couple days ago. So I was like, let's break this down.

Like, let's explain, and then I've been doing more reading, because I know I'm gonna do it, right? So I'm diving in. Yeah. So what keeps your patterns, your brain patterns, right? What keeps these neural connections and these patterns so strong are the emotions connected to them. So if you have this fear emotion over this pattern,

it's hard for you to rewire that pattern until you take the fear out. You take the fear out, that pattern is no longer strengthened by the fear. And now I can look at it differently and I can think about it differently. That's a huge, that's a huge, the emotion's so strong with it,

you just keep strengthening it. I'm sorry, is that when you're in a better like feeling state. 100% that almost explains the MDMA and so Simon with the relationship Conversation. Yes. Part of what makes it so hard for a couple to break through on a conversation is the anger and insecurities around the trigger. The trigger gets the topic. Yeah. And so if you can dissolve that and it's literally just in like a logical

Conversation around things. Increases empathy, increases understanding. And then what happens is you create new patterns around that. And so, and by the way, this is the theory, but it's backed by neural imaging. So they'll do FMRI and neural imaging and they'll literally see rewiring happening in the brain. So that's what's happening. Academy is currently the only psychedelic drug that is FDA approved.

I did not. Correct. Yeah. So that's why I'm doing that one, because it's going to be with a doctor, really. I'm not, yeah, I'm not going to go to do black market. I'm going to do some therapy, you know.

I'll come back. I mean, that's a hard part about talking about, because I know we talk about it, and I'm like, obviously, I'm not trying to promote Miranda people, just going out and doing all this stuff like that. Like I'm fucking 40 something years old. I didn't do hardly anything when I was growing up. And so, like, as I got older and more mature, I got interested like you did in the science of it. You start learning about it. Like, hmm, this is interesting. Like, I'm smart enough and aware enough to not allow myself to go down the path of.

If you use these, like, very powerful tools, you know, there is... Well, I can see how you can see this. You can become obsessed with the tool itself. Well, we saw, we've seen it firsthand. We have plenty of friends in the space. They said the health space that have gone down the Iohasca and freaking MDMA. So it's considered a psychedelic drug. Yeah, that's interesting. Can you see if it's in theogen? I don't know if you know how to spell that. So it's ketamine in theogen. Yeah, it of a new one. I'm thinking of a new one. I'm thinking of a new one. I'm thinking of a new one. I'm thinking of a new one.

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I'm thinking of a new one. I'm thinking of a new one. I'm thinking of a new one. I'm thinking of a new one. I'm thinking of do do that. Or that thing did happen. And let me think about that for a second. And then because it's not so strengthened by the negative feelings, default to like your normal reaction. I'm not sure if it's an amphiagindo. Okay. They say like psilocybin. MDMA is. Yeah, an MDMA, but this one I think may not be. Okay. All right. All right. Well, I'll let you guys know. Yeah, I'm interested in what happens, you know, what's your main thing. Maybe we'll get a affiliate code. Well on the more legal market, I think I think we have an organized supplement to talk about today. It's not quite ketamine or so. But hey, pure makes you feel pretty awesome. I've been using a lot of pure lately.

I know I know I know I'm gonna use it today. I did. I see awesome. I've been using a lot of pure lately. I know, I guess I'm gonna use it today. I did, I see you, you've been back to pieces. I always forget about Pierre because it's subtle, and you use it regularly, and you forget that it feels good, and then you stop for a while, and you go back on it. Oh shit, I feel great again. Well, the best is when you're actually frequently consistently using it, and you feel the best effects of it.

Well, I've been taking it now, this is like the fourth day in a row now, I'll take it before the podcast, and I definitely notice it different. I'm due for my, my red juice kick. I know that I bid at my peak caffeine intake for about two or three months now. So I'm over.

Did I tell you what Justin did the other day? No, he did. Did I tell you? Snorted. No, he might as well. I mean, he smashed beer funnel at his butt. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's cute. He, well in the weekends, he, back to back. So this wasn't like one, later on. Back to back crushed, two big-ass, nitro coffees.

Back to back. Woo! That was a, that was a hard day though, dude. Like, I, bro, that's, I don't understand how you're life. That would, I had to have, I had to leave that. I had to leave that. Yeah. Well, I had, like, I was just beside myself.

I was a zombie that day. So I was like, I had to like,. Part of the rest. Well, I was just beside myself. I was a zombie that day. So I was like, I had to like, look at my options. Like, can I have like some kind of like false energy, something to pull from so I don't sound like a complete idiot. Otherwise, I was just gonna be worthless here. So I did that, got this immediate jolt. And then like literally an hour later, I was just, oh my gosh. That's what pisses me off is like, once I reach where I'm at right now,

the crash is nice. Yeah, and it doesn't even, I don't even feel like where I'm at right now is actually not quite the crash because I know better, like I know the next one is the crash. And so it's like I'm right at the threshold. What's your dose right now? 600. A day. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So my high, that was a high, that was a high day for me. All in a whole day. Yeah. My highest, the highest I'll get is $3.50, $400. Yeah.

And you're normally way lower on most things than me. So that's not bad. So I'm a six high with it. It's for peptide. I mean, I, yeah, that you got me for sure. Winning. I've got the informancy right now.

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I'm having to do the silly coreback. Yes. I don't know. Yeah, I grew as Lulele. That was long. Where do we just travel? That's my favorite. Oh, we went to Nashville, and we opened up all of our, you opened up a suitcase, literally.

He had the same size suit, no, your suitcase was bigger than mine. You had a little bit bigger suitcase in mine. I was like so impressed that you fit all of your clothes for a whole week in just that one suitcase. And then you opened it, and half of it was dedicated to supplements. We were like, where's your clothes?

Yeah, would you bring two outfits? Where are they? It's right under here. Oh, you guys talk all kinds of shit, but the second one of you guys is like, you're right, yeah, there's anything we need. I gotta hit a shot. You're my guy.

It's not, I need better sleep. You got something. I got something for you, buddy. Yeah, you do. You're good for that. That's very, very true. Who's the shout out today? So I've got a shout out.

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All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Caleb from California. Caleb, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going? What's happening? What's happening? Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. You got it.

This is crazy. I just start listening to you guys about two months now. And I used to listen to a lot of different podcasts. And I had a big portfolio of podcasts I used to listen to. And now I don't give him any attention. I just go through you guys's podcasts, every single day scrolling through each one at work. So yeah, you need these guys for all informative information. You guys give out there.

Yeah, we're the best. It's too fast. Yeah, we're sure. We don't know what to do. The most modest too. All right, what's going on? How can we help you? So basically, I've been working now now for about like two years,

real consistently. I've always been a real active person and always have like played basketball in my life, played soccer in and out of gym a lot, but past two years I've been real consistent about it. And basically back in 2022 when I first started, I was at like 150 pounds. I was really like frail and really small, in my opinion. I'm 5'10 right now and basically that whole year I boked, right? So I was eating around 2,800 to 3,100 calories a day and at a minimum I was eating 180 grams

of protein. I ended the year off at 196 pounds. That's a 40 pounds. You gave 30 to 40 pounds in a year. Wow. Yeah, a lot of weight, a lot of weight. I didn't, I will be a little more specific though on my workouts. I never really prioritized doing compound movements. I really did a lot of like dumbbell work on chest press.

Never really did any squats or dead lifts just to again, the details about it. But beginning of this year, um, I started my cut, you know, hoping that by the summer, I'd get, you know, lean stuff, but I started around 2400, cut it down there for about the first month and a half. And then after that cut down to 23, and then about three months ago, I dropped it down to 2000. And this whole time, I've been managing 180 grams of protein minimum, you know, some days maybe 200. But yeah, so I've kind of struggled with the weight on the scale. I was 196. And now I just weighed in today actually I've finally broke the 170s and 179.2 today. But for the past couple of months, I've been stuck at 180 and I'm pretty sure it'll fluctuate throughout the week after after today, but I've been really stuck around there. So my question is,

am I going about this cut the right way? Well, actually before that, before I get to that, I took a Dexascant about a month and a half ago, and I found out that I was 30% body fat. And that was a big, big eye opener to me, and that really hit home. I was kind of discouraged by it, but I kind of made it a reason to be even more consistent.

So now I really just, my big goal is really just to be healthy and be at a healthy bifurcid for my age and just look good and feel good. I've always kind of struggled with kind of having a lot more fat on my chest and always kind of prioritized doing more chest work because I've always kind of had a sadier look on my chest. But yeah, my two questions basically are,

am I going about this right way with my cut and just having the goal of trying to be healthy and get into a good bifurcengage and secondly, do you guys think I should do a reverse diet and kind of work my calories back up, gains the more muscle and have the ratio of muscle and fat, have the muscle way higher. Tell me about your compound lifts that you said, because you just started that this year, you said, right? You weren't really doing squat, deadlift, like so about that. So tell me about your, when did you exactly, did you start doing that?

And then what's the, where are you at currently now? What's the journey of that as far as your strength goes? Okay. So I didn't start doing copper movements until I really listened to you guys. So that's about a I say about two months. Oh, okay. So I started doing squats. I really have terrible mobility with the squats.

So I kind of do heel elevated squats. So I can get more depth to also focus more and more quiet. I've been doing bench dead lifts all once a week. Ever since I started, I don't want to put too much stress in myself. I used to be a big six to seven days a week type of guy But since I've listened to you guys I've cut it down to four and it's felt amazing With a lot more energy throughout my days and it feels good My strength is really went up like dragged it dramatically

I was doing bench when I first started it was just a plate, you know But now I'm repping out like a plate and a 35, like three. Yeah. Yeah. And my deadlift, I started off like just a plate, just to get the form down, but now I'm doing 255 for three, moving it pretty good. So the strength is there while I'm on the cut,

which is a good thing I think. Yeah, it also explains why you're stalling on the scale, by the way. Let's pause for a second though. I want to get something clarified. So you did a Dexascan recently, at 179 pounds, or 180 pounds, so you went down to... When I did the Dexascan, I was 186 at the time.

Okay, so you bolt to 196, yeah, went down to 186, got tested at 30% body fat. Are you sure that that's accurate? I'm pretty sure I accurate. I did go to the gym beforehand. Maybe I had a little bit of water before I know you guys said that can't skew the results a little bit 30% the law That's a high body fat percentage. So do you because I'm looking at it? I can't see you I could just see your face in your neck. Do you just you carry a lot of body fat on your body? I mean, do you know what if you looked up online what 30% looks like? And it was like, okay. And does that seem accurate to you? No. Yeah.

Something's off. Yeah. Something's not right. Now, I, and now you probably, you definitely gain some body fat to go from 155, 160 to 196 in a year, because that's a lot to gain in a year, but 30% body fats pretty damn high, that's for a guy. So I think you should go get a different test, maybe calipers from a personal trainer or underwater weighing, just to get a starting point, and then stop obsessing over the scale and monitor body fat percentage and strength. Those are the two metrics I would follow. Now as far as diet is concerned, I would have you do a slow reverse diet and I'd have

you train with one of our programs. Maps endabolic. Yeah, Maps endabolic and just focus on getting stronger and don't worry too much about the scale because what's going to happen if you do this right is the scale probably won't move much. You're probably going to gain muscle and lose body fat at the same time. I actually think that's what's happening to him right now.

I think you are seeing yourself stall on the scale because you're saying numbers in two months, what you're gaining in your bench and your deadlift is like phenomenal. Yeah, on a cut. Yeah, on a cut. So, and actually what will happen, if we put you on anabolicabolic we bump your calories a little bit

You're gonna see the strength really go up and you're gonna actually visually see a difference muscle wise You're gonna feel you're gonna feel phenomenal. Yeah, do you have? Is there somewhere we can see do you have pictures of yourself before and after something like that? Instagram I will give you a little if you guys want to look at my Instagram It's my first and last name. I have like a little highlight reel of my it will say Jim Okay, if you scroll a little bit it will show like my back progress. Okay, all right Doug's gonna pull that up because I'm having trouble with the I'm having an issue with your 30% body fat reading from your Dexa yeah

He's not 30 I'm looking at him right now. You're not 30. Yeah, I knew it. I knew it I'm looking at your face. I'm like this weird. It didn't make me sense. I would actually even see a pair body. Yeah. No, I would guess you in the low 20s, dude, the highest. Yeah. I knew that something was off at the highest. I would guess that when I got that, like, it really, it really shook me. I was like, there's no way in hell. Where did you get the test on? The flading body spec. Is that a jammer? Is that like, that's a, that's a company that does the digital thing? Okay flating. Body spec. Is that a gym or is that like just a place? That's a company that does the digital thing with you. Okay.

Well, they try to have like trucks, you can go like inside and they get a job. So actually, I don't even think you're 20% dude. Yeah, what? I think he's in the teens. You're in the teens, bro. Did they try to sell you something afterwards? Did they do after you buy something afterwards?

Yeah. Is the pick of your... The pick of your... The gym, the gym thread you're talking buy something afterwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is the is the pick of your genetic fat bird. The gym, the gym thread you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, no way, bro.

You're like, you're in the teens. Yeah, yeah. You're not, you're not looking at the very bottom one, Doug. Go. Yeah, you're like, you're like, you're like, maybe 16% body fat. I do carry a lot of fat on my chest though in my trunk area. That's yeah, but I just saw a picture of your back. I know what 30% looks like, okay?

It, it, it, it, it, so unless you store, and scroll down. Shit tons of body fat on your calf or something. I can't see. The last photo. Then, no, you, my legs are, my legs are really, the legs are pretty, the legs are pretty, the fore, and you're in the thread,

you're the real, you're talking about, there's a, there's a before and after, oh, 123, 23, 23. So that, that was just in January Look is January now look at the next one keep going to the next one No, oh yeah, you're you're actually probably you're in the team mid team. You're in the mid team. You're not even high teams Yeah, you're in the mid teams. Yeah, yeah, I Relief to me

I was like I had a long journey still you're taking asked got definition of his shoulders and his mind You're fine, dude congratulations on your girlfriend, by the way. I saw the next day. That guy's on the back. She's very pretty. Good for you, buddy. There you go. Yeah, listen.

Listen, go get another body fat test. Have someone you trust, do you like a caliper test, or do this? You can use circumference measurements. For men, a waist measurement is a relatively good accurate measurement of whether or not you're gaining or losing body fat. Because as you build muscle, you're not going to get a bigger waste. And if you gain body fat, a lose body fat, it'll probably show up around your waist. So it's not like 100%, but it's a better measurement. I would have you

right now focus on getting stronger and put you in a slight bulk and just try to keep building muscle, that's it. What would you recommend, should I start doing weekly for like a counting increase, like a hundred a week? What are you at right now? 28,000? No, you're at 2000? Oh, go up to 2400, right away. 24, yeah.

Yeah, go to 2400 right away. Yeah. We're gonna send you MAP's endabolic, follow that program, three-day week version, and you're gonna get strong as hell. Okay, and I will say one thing too, I started doing like a low carb diet as well recently. Yeah. You guys recommend me still stay with that low carb. I noticed that my energy kind of fluctuates. Why did you do low carb?

Did you just do it to do it? Because I started doing research and seeing that low carb like help with muscle. Yeah, no, the answer is no. No, no, no, no. That's some car. At some rice sweet potato yams, pick some of those. Yeah, go ahead and listen.

I tell you what, especially fuel your strength. Yeah, give yourself carbs enough carbs and make you feel good. So, you know, probably around 150 or 200 grams a day. It's probably working a settle. There's a wide variance with carbs. Some people do better with more. Some people with less.

The only people that go low carb that feel great tend to have gut issues or they go low carb and they're like, oh my god, it feel amazing. You just said you have less energy, which is like most people. So no, don't go low carb. How many meals are you eating a day? Three, four, how many? Oh, so that's tough part. My days are kind of weird.

I work all the way on Palo Alto, so I have to, I start around like 245, right? So I have to go to the gym around 9. I've just, my whole day schedule is I get up at 9, go to the gym, come on my 12, shower, eat, and then head up the house at 130 to get to work. And then at work, I'll have one meal, but I'll have two breaks where I eat like a protein like quest chips and some fruit. And then my second break will be like like a protein shake, you know. So real two big, really meals, two big meals. And then a lot of like little stuff to what are you making? Are you hitting your, are you hitting your protein intake? Are you hitting, you know, every day at least minimums 180. Okay. Why, why, why are you doing like quest chips and shakes on your breaks? Are they short?

Are they too short to eat food? Yeah, just 15 minutes. Do you have a microwave? I do have a microwave. I have been able to like warm up like ground turkey and some rice times when I have my break. How old are you Caleb? I'm 25.

Yeah, you know what? This is a big challenge with guys at your age. You guys hate cooking. So what I want you to do? I want you to prep your food and bring meals with you. That alone is going to make a huge difference. Going from high protein process foods are better than nothing, but on your 15 minute, that's plenty of time to warm up.

Should I eat food here between answering questions sometimes? Take it, warm it up with a microwave, make yourself some food, prep it, and bring it with you. Have a protein, little bit of carbs and some fats, and a vegetable, and bring some tupperwares with you. That's gonna make a huge difference too. Yeah. Okay, okay.

I wanna also think, Adam real quick, I used to do a shit ton of cardio, like five to six days a week, do a 30 minutes on a stair master like eight speed. Then I found you guys and you guys were like, stop the cardio now, don't do it. And I was dying back then. I was getting to work and almost passing on the way to work.

I work at Stanford and it's like a lot of walking. So it's a lot of fatigue there. So I don't almost feel like I'm gonna pass out when I'm standing, and I stopped that completely and I've noticed a lot more, see myself lean out more when I just focused on those four workouts I have a week. So, and I started walking, that started really making a difference. Yeah, bro, you look great. You're kicking ass, man. You're doing phenomenal, right? Yeah, go get your money back from that Dexas can. I'll ever give

that to you. That's a bullshit, guys. Thank you so much. You've got a man. Thanks for calling him. That's annoying, dude. That went when you know, and now I asked them if they're trying to sell them something because I've known I've known trainers. I I don't want to I'm not gonna say too much. I know trainers. Yeah to bullshit on on body fat Test to sell people stuff. Well, those are those Dexascans are those and they come around some of them come around and truck some of them are or station a real Dexascans are those, and they come around, some of them come around and truck some of them or station. A real Dexascans supposed to be accurate, right? It's supposed to be decent. He did just lift and drink a bunch of water.

30% from what, he could not even close, bro. I mean, how much water did he drink? I mean, they paid that for it. I mean, well, it also could be at the, I don't, if it could be towards the end of his day or the middle of his day, too, he could have had multiple meals plus a lot. I think a Dexascans different

than electronic impedance though, right? Because I think a Dexa scan tells you lean body mass, water mass, fat mass. I've never done one. Neither have I. I've heard they're pretty legit. They're supposed to be. Like electronic impedance.

They are, but they all are easily manipulated by water, food, and the time you... Even a Dexa. Yeah. Did you do them when you competed? Yeah, you have done all of them. Was a Dexa way off from like underwater weighing or whatever?

I mean, here's the thing that I always tell everybody. They're actually not that crazy far off unless you're trying to manipulate them or you don't understand how much you can manipulate them by the time of the day, the amount of water and the amount of food that you intake. If you are somebody who eats 3,000, 4,000 calories, you're 200 something plus pounds

and you do a Dexter scan one day at five o'clock, or I mean, first thing in the morning, with no food, no water, no nothing, and then you compare it to another one that you go at four o'clock in the afternoon, you've had three meals, a workout, a gallon of water, you can make a huge difference in the way it will read. I just feel bad for this kid, he's like, you know,

he's not even close to 30%. After he got that reading, he must have crushed him, you know, like, oh my God, I lost 30 pounds of muscle. Or really motivated him. My God, there's a whole other level of it. I could tell, when he said that, I was looking at his face. I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure. I was. I couldn't have like a major pair body too. You don't know. That's what I'm saying. I know. As soon as I got to the picture where a shirt was on, I was like, oh God, no, these kids doing fine. He's looks good. Yeah, he's doing good Our next caller is Vincent from Ohio Vincent. What's up, man?

Yo, what's up, dudes going on? All right guys good good. Hey, love list. That's you guys Really fun to listen to got a little bit of something in common with each of you even even dogs So let me just hit that real quick and then we'll get some my question. Really into Asian culture and history, just like Doug is, Sal, Italian, just like you also have a combat sports background. Justin worked with young high school aged and grade school aged athletes all the time. And Adam, we go to the same barber.

I don't know if it's gonna take me. And we also have that same, you know, Zen personality, we don't get mad too often too quick. So we kinda got that. Yeah, you understand how we're gonna. You got Adam. He knows exactly how I am. That's exactly how I am.

He's super zen. But if you tip me over, you're fucked, right? That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, push me over, you're fucked, right? That's the deal. Right. Don't push me over that edge. Don't push me. I'm a nice guy, but don't push me. I know how it is.

I get it. What's up? Real quick, the question here, guys, basically, is it okay in an okay in a sense? Is it beneficial to adapt the Maps 15 programming to other Maps programs that you guys have. So for example, like a seven day a week split on like an anabolic or a power lift or something like that, where you kind of break those,

usually you guys have three foundational days, break them down and program it out so that you can do two to three, maybe four exercises a day, but still, you know, be touching maybe four exercises a day, but still you know be touching weights All seven days of the week. It's not only beneficial. It's something that we're great strategy We've talked about actually doing because it there's tremendous value in taking all those parts and we've already recommended You're not alone in that idea. It's a great strategy Yeah, Vincent not only not only is it a great strategy for time

but Vincent, not only is it a great strategy for time, but I'm gonna be careful with how I say this, but I don't think it's equal. In other words, same volume, same frequency, same exercises, you would think you would get the same results. I'm gonna veer off and say that you probably get better results by dividing things up so much. In fact, if you ever get the time,

you can even divide up workouts to do twice a day, twice a day, do two exercises and more two-out. The more you divide things up, the more you, it seems like you get these kind of strength adaptations. Now, the challenge is time constraints and all that stuff, but, no, it's great. At the very least, you're going to get the same results, so there's no problem with it. Yeah, that's, that's incredible, because I've been working out for a very long time, 25-ish years and I'm always like a three to four day a week with weights, and then either like a mobility or a functional or something else on the other days. So I didn't buy the Maps 15 program out of like a time constraint thing.

I know you guys always talk about it's ideal for parents and people like that. I got it more for the discussion that you guys always have about the optimal versus the what your body can stand versus the too much and work and offer as long as I have. I think I've always sort of pushed myself further and further towards the too much. Doing the 15 has been great. I love it. I love hitting the weights every day. I love the short workouts. I love having the extra time day. I love the short workouts. I love having the extra time to do other things. So yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.

So I can take other maps programs. It, as long as I'm smart enough to kind of devise the right programming, not do squats and deadlifts on the same day, make sure that they're kind of spread out throughout the week. And that sounds awesome. Exactly. You're right on point. Vincent, let me ask you this. How has your results been since you've

been kind of messing around with that type of programming? So I followed the first program that I've offered you guys was Symmetry, because I'm big in Unilateral. I love it. So when you guys put out that program out of Super Pump, so I did Symmetry first. Then I went to RGB and that order did symmetry again and then got maps 15. I'm in the third phase right now. So I'm in the kind of the

five by five phase and I feel great. The phase prior to this, I've never felt the pumps that I felt with those, you know, four sets of 15 and things like that with the major movements. So results have been fantastic. And obviously that's what led me to ask this question is I don't want to get away from that. I want to push forward and continue with that if I can. And somebody your experience too is perfect. Because I mean, just the fact that you said,

we said about squats and deadlift, tells me you know what you're talking about. So do you have a prime pro and prime? Because those are great for somebody like you. I do. I have both of those as well. I don't know. I don't know. I'm gonna give you something free. But I'm sure everything. No, you don't have to give me nothing. I'll buy what I need from you guys. I support the cause. I appreciate it. Give it to somebody else who needs it and can't afford it. I'd rather pass it along to the next person. I appreciate that.

If you're ever in the area, let us know. You come say aye. Absolutely. I'm on the other side of the country. So I don't know if that's going to happen. I'm in Ohio, but yeah, I would love to at some point. That would be cool. You got him, man. All right, man.

Thank you. One more comment, not even a question. One more comment for Justin Justin. Out of the, out of the guys, I know you kind of listen to the heavy music the most. That's what you guys talk about. I got a band for you. I want you to check out their pale face.

They might melt your face off, but I think you might love them. They're from Switzerland. They're a metal band pale face. Check them out. Pale face. I haven't heard them. Sweet.

Thanks. I'll do that. Rock on. Appreciate you guys. Have a great time. Take it easy. What is it about like those that area of Europe that puts out the heaviest shit?

I know. it's cold. Vikings are your angry. Yeah, I don't know if it's like a Viking thing, but there are like, there's a lot of like crazy black metal and like crazy metal bands all there. Yeah, this whole listen, if you're advanced, like this is like a hack. You can unlock some crazy stuff by, you know don't want to do, it's just add more volume, because that's what you can do. But dividing up workouts, increasing the frequency, making your workouts happen more often, but shorter, seems to be more positive when it comes

to muscle building and strength. It's pretty remarkable. I've done this to the extreme, where I'll do a workout every other hour or one day or whatever. It's pretty remarkable. I've done this to the extreme. We'll do a workout every other hour, one day, or whatever. It's pretty crazy. Well, I mean, just personally, I felt that each time I'm performing the exercise, I just perform it better because I'm not fatigued at all. And then I'm allowing my body to recover. I'm repeating it the next day.

There's definitely something to it. Well, I also think that you indirectly increase volume without trying to increase volume, meaning like, because volume is a formula of sets, reps, and weights, multiple times. So you're stronger. So you're stronger. I'm only got to do two compound lifts. And so when I know I got to hit two compound lifts, like, I can get an extra rep. I can get an extra five, 10 pounds on the bar.

And then I'm fresh again the next day when I only got two exercises to do again. So the overall grand total. So I know what all the research says about if the volume is equated exactly the same, but it's not the same. I think what happens is that because you break it up like that, you not only get the benefits of increasing frequency,

practice, the stuff that you always tell, but in addition, I think you indirectly increase volume without trying to increase volume. And you don't think you are, because you're like, I'm not adding exercises, I'm not adding sets, so the volume should be the same, but I think you're just stronger. Yeah, I know brilliant observation.

That's great. Our next caller is Sydney from California. Hi Sydney, how can we help you? Hi, wow, this is crazy. I didn't think I would like lose it when I saw you guys, Our next caller is Sydney from California. Hi Sydney. How can we help you? Hi? Wow, this is crazy. I didn't think I would like lose it when I saw you guys, but Yeah, so Starting out just like thank you for everything you guys do. I started listening to you last November after starting my coaching business and Not only have you guys like helped me be a better coach for my clients,

but you just helped me personally with like my own health and fitness as well as like personal life just opening my mind when it comes to new perspectives and especially like with parenthood. So I really appreciate everything you guys do. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So my question, I'll give you some background. I've been lifting for about 14 and a half years. I've done everything from bodybuilding to powerlifting, to CrossFit, to Olympic lifting, and I'm currently 31 years old and just focusing more on strength and hypertrophy right now. And in my current program, I do legs three times a week on Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Monday is I typically do my pause squats, Wednesdays, I do the hip thrusts and Fridays I've been doing deadlifts. And I'm training in my in lower rep ranges and really pushing the weight right now. The problem that I've been having is my back is just not recovering from dead lifts.

And so when I go into my squat day, there have been multiple times now where I'm going in for my first set and it's like a warm-up set. I just have 135 on there. And my back immediately locks up. I can't do any squats, like with weight for the rest of the day. And so I'm not really sure. I have like, I'm taking salt in with my water.

I'm drinking electrolytes. I'm getting good sleep. I'm eating 2,000 calories a day, 160 grams of protein. Like I'm just not sure where I'm going wrong right now. Easy fix, yes, a movement. Easy fix. So real quick, when your back isn't sore or tired from dead lifts, then you're okay squatting.

It's just because you're the deadlift on Friday, come Monday, you're still kind of tired. Yeah. Okay, but you might have froze. Go ahead. Oh, yeah, sorry, that was correct. Okay, it's okay, you look like your frozen for a second. Okay, look, easy fix. There's an easy, it's a programming problem.

This is what it is. Monday, squat, Wednesday, deadlift, Friday, do your hip thrust, that's it. Oh, okay. That's it, you're done. Yeah, you'll have Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, by the time Monday comes around, you're gonna be be able to squat. You won't have a problem from the deadlifts. So I would do the the hip thrust on Friday instead of Wednesday, do the dead

lifting on Wednesday. You could also follow one of our programs for you. Why don't we just give her maps and a ball to follow, which is basically. I have a lot of your program. Okay. Do you have symmetry? Have you done unilateral training for a block? Okay. I've done some, I have anabolic performance, aesthetic, symmetry, math, 15, prime. Those are the ones I have. So did you just choose to create your own? Is that what's going on here?

And you didn't want to do that? Yeah, yeah, I kind of like was like, what can I do on my own? How long have you been training? So like coaching and training people or or training yourself? Myself 14 and a half years. I just got into coaching other people last year. That's awesome. And you said you warm up with 135 on the squad? Yeah, yeah, you're strong. Good job. What are you deadlifting? Deadlifting, my max is 345. Woo!

Yeah, you're pressing it. Yeah. Listen, so here's where the intricacies of programming really start to make a... They always make a difference. So it's always important. But the stronger you are, the higher you perform, the more every little piece makes a difference. Like, if this was like the typical person and they weren't as strong as you are, they haven't been training as long as you,

your programming's actually okay, with what I've seen, okay, I don't know all your program looks like, but what you wrote would be fine. But your lift, I mean, you're pulling 345 off the ground, your female, that's a shit ton of weight. For your tax in your body. Yeah, so it's literally,

this is like a simple programming fix. Literally, switch the hip thrust for the deadlift and you're fine. Everything else is fine. Okay, awesome. All right. That's it. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for calling in. Of course. All right. That was easy. Yeah. I was expecting you know what, I mean, highlights though, you know what, with so many people think that you do exercises. Yeah, but ice cream flavors, right know, so many people think that. You just do exercises? Yeah, it's ice cream flavors, right? Yeah, my friends have that.

My favorite quote ever. Workout programs are like ice cream flavors. It's like, dude, no, it's not. Like, orange circles. Not that simple, actually. No, one is chocolate ice cream, one's a bowl of poop. And this is just a great example of that. It's like, you know, you take ice cream.

And if you're weak and you're not, and you're just getting started, you could get away with subpar programming and still build muscle, but, then you really see the difference. But the truth is if you actually have good programming from the gates, you'll get even better results. And so it makes sense. It's always important, but I tell you what,

if you're advanced, if you're strong, if you're kind of like at those limits, small programming mistakes become big ones. Okay, like if you train a top level strength athlete, like the smallest mistake with programming is big. With the beginner's not that big of a deal, still makes a difference, but it's nothing. But like someone like her, that's why I asked her

how much she was lifting. So I'm like, wait a minute, you warm up 135, holding them in the lifting, what's your deadlift? Okay, now it makes sense. Like that's what she's getting after it. 345 is taxing for a man, let alone a female. And you know, Friday, you think Saturday, Sunday should give you enough rest, but when you're pulling 345 as a female, and you're squatting a lot,

if she's warming up 135, I bet you she works up to 225. Then all you got to do is move it so that it gives you more time in between. So, you know, easy answer, easy answer with that. Our next caller is Sarah from Illinois. Hey Sarah, how can we help you? Hi guys, this is so cool. Thanks for having me. Thanks for calling.

Um, big fan. So, um, little bit of background about me, I've been working out for weight training for roughly 12 years now. Um, I've never experienced likely any type of injury, any type of issue with lifting. And lately I've been experiencing really bad sciatic pain. So my question for you guys is what type of workout should I try to avoid, what type of workouts should I kind of focus on just to you know because

obviously now I'm like psyching myself out. I don't want to have an injury during my lifts, especially during like leg day or back day. So kind of looking for suggestions, maybe some tips and whatnot from you guys. Yeah, when when did you start feeling this? Did something happen? Or was it kind of like this gradual thing? It was like a gradual thing. I felt it in the right set of my hip and I thought, okay, it's it'll probably go away And then it just kind of started gradually going to the back to my back lower back And then kind of going into my glutes and I had the pain maybe for like three days. It was like horrible pain. Have you taken our maps prime test?

I have not know. Okay Well, there's where you start. We're going to send you maps prime because what we need is yeah, and you go through the test and we'll see what your ability to rotate to squat full depth and zone one. And I'm sure you're going to see something. So I'll give you something that might give you some immediate really. So this is not a cute, right? You didn't like injure yourself, right? I just want to double check. Yeah. And do you have a job where you said, down law? Yeah, I was just going to say, did that change? Like, you sit a whole lot more now? No, no. So I actually do medical sales. So I'm like on the

go all the time. So I'm never, I mean, I'm sitting in my car, maybe for like 40, 45 minutes driving, but I mean, majority of them, I'm on my feet. Okay. So I'll give you some, so the sciatica's a nerve that kind of runs, I guess, through the back of the leg, the glute, and sometimes the piriformis. This is where it's common, okay? This isn't always it, but this is where it's common, especially with people that work out a lot, and if you didn't injure yourself. The reason why I was asking those questions, sometimes you get a lower back injury, they

can cause this. But oftentimes it's the piriformis muscle getting really tight for a variety of different reasons. It could be you did an exercise in a particular way and strained it. It could be that there's some hip instability or some ankle instability that's causing the hip to do something that you know more than it needs to. So the piriformis will get tight. And when that happens it it presses right on the sciatican. So oftentimes what people feel is this kind of tight, tense muscle pushing on this nerve. And it feels like it can feel like heat or electricity

or just kind of like pain. That's kind of radiating through the leg. Sometimes it goes all the way down the leg. So there's a couple of things you could do for immediate pain relief. One is there's a seated piriformis stretch that you can do that oftentimes immediately alleviates some of the pain. So are you familiar with what I'm talking about?

Do you know what this looks like? No, no, I don't. Okay, can you see me? You can see me, right? Yeah. Okay, so I'm gonna show you on camera. So you wanna sit with your leg crossed. So ankle on your knee. So it's

like this figure four kind of position. Okay. Push your knee down, stick your chest out, really give yourself really tall posture. And then with that tall posture, bring yourself down over your leg until you feel a stretch. And then hold that stretch for 60 seconds to maybe two or three minutes even. Okay? So long static stretching, temporarily tells a central nervous system to chill out a little bit. And so what you're stretching there are some of the hip muscles, one of them is the piriformis.

And it could tell the piriformis to chill out. For whatever reason, it might be just active and tight right now. And if you notice some pain relief right away, like you stand up and you move around like, oh, that kind of feels better. Then that's probably what we're dealing with. The second thing you can do is in the same position

that I showed you with the stretch, is you can get on a foam roller, okay? So like the tube foam roller, sit on it. Yeah, well, lacrosse balls, it's not really at this point. Yeah, but I would sit the way I'm sitting now on the foam roller, then I would sit the way I'm sitting now on the foam roller, then I would lean towards the hand of the hip that I'm stretching and kind of move on the foam roller until you

hit that tight spot and then sit on it for a little bit. Make sure you breathe because you want to see an S to chill out and let that muscle kind of relax a little bit. And that should alleviate the pain somewhat right off the bat. And then you would do that maybe right off the bat. And then you would do that maybe two or three times a day until you started feeling better. And in the meantime, you would avoid exercises that hurt it, but you're probably okay doing everything you've been doing. And then from there, once it feels better, look at your workout and see

if something's missing. And oftentimes it's ankle instability or tightness or it's lateral stability issues. Lateral stability issues means like you might be doing lots of bilateral squatting, in front squatting and pushing a sled and that kind of stuff, stiff like a deadlift and hip thrust. But are you doing anything laterally where you're going sideways like a caustic squat

or even a basic abduction, right, where you bring your leg out type of deal to kind of build some lateral stability. Because if you're lacking some of those stability, then the piriformis and some of those other muscles that are sitting on top of the satica, could just be tight because you're trying to create stability there.

Your body trying to create stability. So relieve that, like you said, with some foam rolling and then put it into action and do some of these active mobility drills, like your 1990s, so you get internal external rotation over the hips, you know, combat stretch where we're addressing the ankles, even like an active pigeon, something like that's going to be a little know, the pain that you have right now, so you can also elevate your knee to, you know, kind of gradually add some intensity there, but, you know, in terms of that, it's just like we're opening up the potential for movement, so that way you can come back and kind of strengthen the instability. Yeah, are you able, you're sitting in your car, you're parked, right?

Yeah, I can do that. I mean, like don't drive and do this. Are you able to test out the in your car, you're parked, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, don't drive into this. Are you able, are you able to test out the stretch that I just said right now? Do you have room in your car with this steering wheel? Yeah, actually, like in the same position that you're showing me. So you just did it right now. Yeah. So I did test it out. Okay. Now, now sit real tall.

Yeah. So, so push the knee down with your hand. Sit really tall. Like stick out your chest. Sit real tall. You'll probably feel a little bit of a stretch in the hip already. Do you feel that? Oh, yeah.

Okay, now maintain that posture and bring your body down towards your leg and see if you feel like sternum or... If you feel the stretching of where that is, do you feel that? Yeah, definitely feeling that. Is that the spot that you've been feeling? Oh, yeah.

Even like brush this morning when I kind of went down lower to the sink, it was like a five-second shock pain type thing. So. Yeah, okay, so why you're talking to us, I want you to hold that stretch a little bit because then when we were done, I want you to take your leg down

and see if you still feel that pain, see if it feels any better. But it sounds like that's what it is. And you can even look up pure formic syndrome. Yeah, because I can't really. I'm trying to tighten it, pinch is on that nerve. So I mean, that's just it is. And you can even look up pure, a formus syndrome. Yeah, because it can get you a tight and it pinches on that nerve. So I mean, that's just something that can happen. And if it's just a tight muscle, that's good news.

We've actually got a bunch of great YouTube videos on this. That's, oh, we do. Yeah. Do we have one where we're doing that specific? All right. We have all this. We have active pigeon in there. We have the 90 90. We even have the seated. I think we do it instead of seated. We actually do it on a elevated bench or whatever. So yeah, we have all this if you let it go to YouTube and just go mind pump

Low back pain or you could put piriformis in you could put any of those ask mind pump Yeah, that'll probably do it to ask mind pump calm. Yeah, we have a new Refers you yeah, all right take your leg down to see if you're feeling different Thanks I'm gonna reverse you. All right, take your leg down and see if you feel any different. Thanks. Do you feel any different? Yeah, definitely feeling like release, which is kind of crazy because for the most part, I thought, hey, it's a nerve.

I don't know how much more, how much I can really do to it. It's different when you have like muscle tension. But just releasing some of that, yeah, it definitely does feel better. Yeah, good. It is a nerve though, it's being pinched, right? It's got pressure, it's got pressure on it. And then what we're doing by stretching

is we're leaving that pressure. And so that's all that you need to do. I mean, I would also, so we're gonna give her prime pros at what we said. We're gonna give you prime pro. Yeah, that's good. Cause that'll have some of those movements on the surface.

I don't know. Or symmetry. Oh, there you go. So I would be beautiful. I would go symmetry. She'd benefit from all the unilateral work. So I think that'll give her that stability. I think Prime Pro, the movements for your hips and ankles and stuff like that, that's

going to address all that, getting you ready to go into your workout. I think symmetry is a good program for you to follow. Right now it feels a little better just from that stretch. Yeah. I've always wanted more room, I think that'd be better. Good. I've always wanted to say this, but you're healed. We did it. we did it.

We did it thank you Sarah. Thanks so much guys. Thanks for coming. Stand up and walk. I really stand up and walk. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Can I tell you something now? It's all you missed your calling. I know, no, no, never gonna go in that direction. I tell you what there were certain things that I know, no, no, never gonna go in that direction. I tell you what, there were certain things that I used to love hearing from potential clients. They knew that nine out of 10 times I had the fix and I could show them right then and there, sciatica was one of them for me.

Whenever somebody came in, I'd be like, oh cool, I'm gonna fix this person, they're gonna hire me for like 50 sessions, this is gonna be easy. But that's the compliment. We didn't mention it, although I think on YouTube, I'm sure Andrew will be able to put her she had a picture of how fit she's incredibly fit

She also has a little bit of an anterior pelvic tilt. Yeah, so I don't know if you saw that we told exaggerate this issue I don't know if she's posing that you know how much I mean even she's posing it's exaggerated enough that that's like if you're practicing I'm sure that she's got a little bit of that which probably exaggerates which she's got going on But yeah doing I mean this is also to highlight, okay, for the listener, like why we recommend Maps Prime to everybody first is that you should go through. And this would get highlighted when she does like the windmills that you would see, you would see the discrepancy from her left to right. She'd have a hard time probably doing this on the side where she's got this issue.

So this is the point of everybody having Maps prime as like this is how we would assess a client before we put you on any of our programs. We'd run you through this assessment, see your movement from left to right up and down, see the discrepancy, and then we would make sure to include those movements and as we build the routine. Yeah. Let me add one other thing, by the way, had she gone to her doctor with this, the prescription would have been a quarter of the shop. Stop, stop, stop this.

It would have been stop exercise and I'm going to inject your butt with cortisone and then it'll make the pain go away. Now why? It's a very strong anti-inflammatory and it atrophies the muscle that it's injected into. So we're going to put it in the piriformis area. Oh my God, it's going to hurt for a day or two. Now it feels all of a sudden so much better. And what we've actually done it in the piriformis area. Oh my god, it's gonna hurt for a day or two now it feels all of a sudden so much better Yeah, and what we've actually done is increased the instability

Yeah, so then the pain comes back six months to a year later It's worse now the cortisol shot and then you end up becoming a regular yearly cortisol shot client otherwise if I don't get that My second ever that's right. Yeah, look if you want good quality truthful fitness information ask mine pump calm It's an AI model that bases its questions, excuse me, its answers off of all of our episodes. So we filter it for you. Now you don't have to deal with all the crap from the fitness industry. Askminepump.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram, Justin at MindPump.

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