Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2113: What Getting Sore Really Means, How to Deliberately Target the Chest or Triceps When Doing Dips, Drop Sets Vs. Straight Sets & More

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Starting point is 00:02:02 for muscle, athletic performance, recovery, strength, is beef. Almost no other food out there matches beef in terms of its key nutrients, how easily you assimilate them, protein, crate team. It's quite possibly close to the perfect food for athletes. So if you're looking to build muscle and strength and improve athletic performance beef, it's it's a good thing. What's for dinner? I'm wearing the beach. Yeah. I mean, where's the sponsor by the way? Where's the commercials bet? I mean, where's the beef? So a rib eye steak covers every essential vitamin nutrient that we could potentially need. It does.

Starting point is 00:02:44 I mean, okay, now I'm not advocating that you could potentially need? It does. I mean, okay, now I'm not advocating that you just need beef. You could, that doesn't mean you should, but my point with this is that if you're looking at key nutrients that people tend to lack or tend to find, or nutrients that we tend to be deficient in that cause things like weakness or low energy. Be vitamins, iron, protein.

Starting point is 00:03:05 Protein. Yes. And grass fed meat has a great fatty acid profile because one of the criticisms of beef is, oh, it's so high in saturated fat, so high in these omega fatty acids are inflammatory. Conventional beef can be that way, but grass fed beef has a way better omega three, omega six fatty acid profile. And it's just leaner anyway. So it's more of a protein food when you compare like fatty cuts.

Starting point is 00:03:28 But yeah, like if you want to get your B vitamins up and your iron and zinc and other things like that, like beef not only contains those things, but it contains very bioavailable forms of them. Because you can get iron from plant sources. You don't absorb it nearly as well, not even close. If you have an iron deficiency or go eat some beef, it's one of the easiest ways to bring it up and then be vitamins, like I said. Yeah, and then you get your organ meat, which is you take a whole other level to that

Starting point is 00:03:56 in terms of condensed nutrients and minerals and through liver and everything else, organ meat wise, you can't heart and whatnot. Organ meat is so high you have to be careful that you have to lie to yourself. Yeah, some of it. You can overdose. You know what's weird about organ meat? Is that if you eat an organ,

Starting point is 00:04:14 it contains the amount that contains the nutrients that your organ, that corresponds to it, need quite a bit of, for example. Okay, liver king. You know that was his big thing, right? Was it? Yeah, that was just not why he ate so many balls. Yeah, no, so his big thing where he was traveling around

Starting point is 00:04:33 all over the place and talking about how he eats like every organ, everything from balls, heart, and that is that the nutrients from that, from balls goes to better testosterone production. For heart goes to better heart health. Well, here's how it works. Okay, so like heart, your heart requires a lot of a nutrient called coq10.

Starting point is 00:04:51 Eating heart, it means you're gonna get a lot of coq10 because heart tissue contains lots of coq10. The brain, right? Let's say you eat brains. Not advocating eating brains, I think that's probably one of the more dangerous organs. Well, it's because of preons. Yeah, weird stuff, but very high in cholesterol.

Starting point is 00:05:04 Why the human brain is very high in cholesterol. So there's some truth in that, and I he went too far. Yeah. I don't think eating a lot of balls is gonna give you bigger balls. Yeah, bigger balls. That's a done anything for Justin. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:17 He's only a taste. Wow. He took it to the mission. No. He doesn't put him in a labor. It's gonna be scary. But when it comes to foods that are like anabolic, to be clear, your diet is varied.

Starting point is 00:05:35 There's lots of components to your diet. So that's clear. But if you have to pick one food that really meets lots of these needs and that could be labeled as anabolic pro strength, athletes who've known this for years, strength athletes who've known this for years, beef is king when it comes to this. Beef, eggs, those two foods right there will give you quite a bit. And I've done this with clients, well, they'll eat the same exact diet, same macros and everything, and then they'll include more beef versus chicken or fish, and they

Starting point is 00:06:05 notice strengthings. Usually, what happens? Even too, I've heard people bring up the fact that around the world, people that are in like, third world countries, their whole value system is in their livestock and their animals, so they raise up, and that's like their only food source and to have this blanket statement that beef is bad for you. What are you doing to everybody else around the world that survives off stage?

Starting point is 00:06:32 But again, grass fed beef is better if you eat a lot of beef. If you eat, like I do, I'll eat on average probably half a pound to a pound of beef on most days. I ate a lot of red meat. It's the primary source of whole food protein that I get. I go grass fed because at that level, the fatty acid profile makes a difference. Not a few of you, beef here and there. Doesn't make that big of a difference. But if you eat it as often as I do, like my butcher box that I get every month,

Starting point is 00:07:02 like that's, I would say, 80% of the beef that I is comes from butcher boxes grass fat. It's not the conventional. I mean we've always had our role As been and I've talked about it more than once on the show So some people are probably tired of hearing it But it's just when I'm home we cook with the butcher box meat And so that's my way of getting because the truth is, you'll never beat a grain fed fucking steak, dude. A grain fed fatty steak, like, yeah, it's just a different level of like fat. Super-pellible.

Starting point is 00:07:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like a wagyu steak, I mean, just so palatable, amount of fat that's in that steak. So when we eat out at a restaurant, you know, at a restaurant of the day, like I'll order like a grain fed type of steak. But then when I'm home, which I'm eating home 80 to 90%

Starting point is 00:07:46 of the time, I'm gonna make a grass fed choice. And I think, and the best part about butcher box is that they have found a way, in my opinion, to make some of the best tasting meat that is grass fed. Because in the past, I just was just turned off by grass fed meat. It was so different. That it was like, I didn't like it.

Starting point is 00:08:03 The best from them, the one that I can almost, that almost not tell, the tri-tip one. Yeah, I know you cooked that one. I had a lot of the tri-tip from, you do a lot of tri-tip in pork, right? I like to eat most from there. Did you try tip? I'll do the steak tips. I'll do a little bit of the pork chop, but what was the other one that I got into recently from them? But I mean, I have done the chicken, not get it, which was like a fine, from them for the kids and stuff in for me. Blows of the flyer.

Starting point is 00:08:30 I feel it from the kids, but I've made it for the kids and I eat it myself. Hey, you guys still have to hell out of them too. Hey, you still haven't had the skill yet. Wait till you guys have the skill. I'm waiting for that. I wish you had a hurry up and get that done because we can see your strips.

Starting point is 00:08:43 Because that is like, I mean, I continue to get introduced to like things that they have that are amazing. I told you, you got Katrina to order the pork. And she did the whole like slice the middle of it and put like, I forget what she put in the middle of it. Oh, she makes it up. Oh, she's, oh yeah, she's going to be like

Starting point is 00:08:58 in there, I think I can tell. She's so bold. Really? She makes like a little, she gets it open, then she puts cheese and ham. Yeah, cheese and ham inside the middle of the The pork tenderloin or whatever. Yeah, and then and then she put something else with it this she found some crazy recipe and Served it up to me one night. I was like no, I literally take a bomb. I slice them and have to make them thin dip them in egg and then

Starting point is 00:09:22 Panko or Panko or whatever. Yeah gluten free bread crumbs. Yeah, Panko. And then I fry them. What's that called German? and then, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh That's weird. Is that really what it was? Schnitzel. It's called Schnitzel. Doesn't that sound like a made-up word? It does. I don't even just made it. Yeah, I don't even want to call this. I don't even have a Schnitzel before. It's just what I said. It's pork that's fried with bread crumbs. You know what I had last night was a hush puppy.

Starting point is 00:09:55 What's it a hush puppy? Puppies. Stupid. Stop it. It's just a puppy. Isn't that potato sponge or something? I don't know. It's like deeply fried.

Starting point is 00:10:04 It tastes like a gluten ball. It tastes like a gluten ball. That's what it tastes like. I don't know what a hush pup. Isn't that, that's a southern food, right? Hush puppies are made of cornmeal batter with like garlic powder on your face. Yeah, like it's like a corn. Yeah, sounds like a bomb.

Starting point is 00:10:16 It's a gluten bomb, bro, definitely. That sounds delicious. It is delicious though. Yeah, we have one of the, did you fall asleep afterwards? I mean, I only have one because I just wanted to taste it because the table ordered it and I'm like that looks That sounds kind of good and I have like but anything or you like that

Starting point is 00:10:29 You have it comes with a butter it would just you wipe it on the butter or whatever and then it had like a jalapeno Mix inside of it to oh god. Yeah, no, it was good. I mean I could see myself wanting to eat a bunch of them But I knew better like as soon as I've been into it. I'm like oh, this is like a good bomb It's like I better stop right there. You know, it's plenty about sleep after you do. Exactly, you know, it's plenty about when you pay attention to how you feel after you eat, you stop craving certain food. Because you know, it's gonna ruin your day. I mean, to me, for the audience is listening.

Starting point is 00:10:54 This is the biggest hack to learning to make better food choices. Instead of always attaching your training and your diet to the way you look and, oh, I'm fat, now I'm lean, oh oh I'm fat, now I'm lean, oh I'm fat, now I'm lean, and it's all about that. Learning to connect like how my body feels when I eat really healthy, and how does my body feel when I make these other choices? And being honest, because so many people

Starting point is 00:11:20 are not honest with themselves. There's like, yeah, my body totally accepts ice cream. Oh yeah, it totally feels good when I eat them french fries. Like you lie to yourself and you say that, but if you really pay attention to everything from your energy, your mood, your sleep that night, water retention, blow, like all that stuff, and you just connect to it. And you connect to it.

Starting point is 00:11:40 And you connect to it. You'll naturally, you'll naturally want it or not want it. That's right. And sooner or later you'll get to a point, and to me this is the naturally, you're not, you'll naturally want it or not want it. That's right. And sooner or later, you'll get to a point, and to me, this is the point that you're trying to get to in your health and fitness and nutrition journey, is to becoming that aware of it, because then it makes it a lot easier.

Starting point is 00:11:54 And then it also, there's times, I mean, honestly, when I'm like, I'm not fucking, I'm going to be hurting tonight. Like, this is how you, 100% accepted. Yes, this is how you create balance because you're fully aware. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:06 You're fully aware of the decisions that you're making. That's all it is. But what happens more often than not is you're at a party, you're at the park, you're doing something with your family, you see a food, and then I know, like I got four hours left of us being out. If I eat that, it's gonna ruin the rest of the time.

Starting point is 00:12:21 I just don't wanna eat it. And it's not that I can't eat it. I literally don't want to. That's what makes it so balanced. Or like you said, you're like, well, I mean, I just don't want to eat it. And it's not that I can't eat it. I literally don't want to. That's what makes it so balanced. Or like you said, you're like, well, I'm at my own house, I could take a nap on the couch. So I guess I will. I guess I can do that.

Starting point is 00:12:32 Anyway. Dude, yesterday I did a tie massage. Have you guys ever done like a tie? Oh, were they like, I hate tie massage. They stick to me, they stick to her knee. I hate Katrina likes tie. They're like walk on your back. I got in there and-

Starting point is 00:12:47 Did you like it? So they- Don't fucking lie, you don't like it. You barely even like massages in the first place. Time massages, not for you. I like the effects. Okay, while it's happening, it's like, right? So I go in there.

Starting point is 00:12:59 This was a bit of gift. That's why you're being so nice about it right now. No, not a problem. I'm not, I haven't been told that I need to get more massages. I've been told. My wife's been trying to get you to get massages for years. Everybody told me I need more massages. But a time massage is not the way you get with someone like you.

Starting point is 00:13:13 I'll tell you right now, you don't go to a time massage. What do I need? Forgot, sports massage would be good, but even you have to be Swedish, then sports, and then maybe tie. Tie is like, Which one's sweeter when they do this the little time? No, no, Swedish is like,

Starting point is 00:13:24 they put you to sleep, rub you like soft. So if you're not used to the hard pressure and stuff like that and people don't like that at first, you gotta ease it. Feelings of ways to tie, they're just there's roots. I mean, if you relax your mind and you fall asleep, it's not a waste. Come on, it's be honest. But yes, physically you need more of a sports

Starting point is 00:13:42 that's what I'm teaching you. Yeah, cause I go in there and have you fill out the the form or whatever and I put on there like you want it like firm very firm. I said very firm. Oh God. And of course they look at me. So like oh yeah, so they bring the bro and she knew they send in this like you sweat.

Starting point is 00:13:57 Are you sweating? Are you sweating? No, I got I had like a like an adrenaline response. They send in this this like tiny in this tiny little girl comes in, she's probably a hundred pounds, right? And I know it's still after, so I couldn't see her at first. So like lay face down, so I lay face down, and they hold on to a pole or whatever above you.

Starting point is 00:14:16 And this bitch too, she is walking on me, but then she'll find a spot. She'll put her foot on me, and I can feel what she's doing. She stands up on one heel and lifts the other foot. Oh, the pressure. She did this one where my hand was behind my back, so it makes my scapula stick out.

Starting point is 00:14:33 Yeah. She put her heel where my scapula stick in out in there. And she stood up. Now here's the thing now, as a man, and I'm sure some man. You don't want to, you don't want to see that. The last thing I do. You don't want to see that. You want to see that. The last thing you want to see me. You want to see me take it in.

Starting point is 00:14:46 No, what a miserable experience you're doing. The last thing I'm going to do is be like, that's too hard. So I'm just sitting there like, see you just managing the noises coming out of you or anything? No, you're not, you have to let out. There's no way, no way.

Starting point is 00:14:59 I'm just breathing. So what they hear is, yeah, what they hear. Ooh. You know, doing one of those things. And I'm like, oh, you know, then you're tensing up more. No, so I had to be careful. I find myself tensing up and I'm like, my butt cheeks are squeezing. I got a lot of stuff.

Starting point is 00:15:13 But she was standing in that, and I thought to myself a couple times, I was like, is she gonna hurt me? Am I gonna like get an actual injury from this? But afterwards, I mean, I feel, I felt it. Yeah, I'm not afraid. I need time. I'm gonna go back. Really?

Starting point is 00:15:29 Yeah, I am. You should probably listen to the guy who's married to this sports fucking massage therapist that's been doing it for 20 something years. Or you can go try and figure it all out of you and learn the horse. And she put her high heels on you. Just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, I'm like, I'm gonna tossing crab on me, you know that? What's this where they like lift your chin from the back?

Starting point is 00:16:05 And they're like, yeah, she pulls his legs like this. No, she feds my knees and she did something with her legs and body where she, my legs are hooked into hers. And then she's like moving her body forward. And I'm like, I'm gonna tap out. Yeah, like my foot's gonna touch my head. I don't know if I can do this. I had a tie to come to that.

Starting point is 00:16:22 It's such a long task for a while. And, could you like, so, dude? And I'm like, it's annoying. And all the chopping and stuff, I'm Yeah, I had a time to come to that. That's for a while. And because, could you like to do it? And I'm like, it's annoying. And all the chopping and stuff, I'm like, I want to, no, she didn't do no chop. A good massage. A real good massage, my opinion. Okay, this is what I mean,

Starting point is 00:16:33 this is how I fell in love with Trina. Is she will ease you in, almost as if you're getting a sweetest massage to kind of relax you. She knows when you relax and settle in. And then she finds those spots and then doesn't go hard right The way she works her way into getting her and then before you know it She is deep as fuck and then you just you go out. Oh, that's it when you got a good massage therapist

Starting point is 00:16:55 Yeah, that's she knows all the points. That makes them she knows how to ease you into relaxation Then she knows how to go deep on you and you know it's a perfect one because you will fall asleep So here get the release and it's like like all those hormones come out and ever feeling really good deep and then you're just like oh my God because you're like a headache and if you're not hydrating enough like it really like this is you up the next day and you have to and you have to go on a toxic and you have to work up to it right so like if you've never done one before this makes sense going yeah like working out right 100% like working out. So like when I go see a massage therapist, like I tell them, like I used to give a massage

Starting point is 00:17:28 all the time, I haven't been in this long. So you're not to work me in or ease into me or whatever. So I know, I mean, obviously Katrina will tell you this too, it's just like with you with training and client. If they do the better job we do of communicating them, the better and a good experience massage therapist will know, like, if you communicate it and you say, like, hey, these are my intensive... So I know, like, yeah, like, okay, my traps

Starting point is 00:17:48 are my sensitive areas. You guys said, you gotta go easy on my traps, I'm sensitive there. My hips and my legs, you can go to town on my hips and my my low back, you gotta work into me. Like, I know how to communicate my entire body to a therapist and then a really good one. Again, we'll ease you in and then if you know it,

Starting point is 00:18:03 because you'll fall asleep and then when you wake up, you'll release. That makes sense. Oh man. Oh, she was standing on my butt cheek. She was standing on my hamstring. At one point, because I'm laying face down, I can hear, I can see her split in the gap. Yeah, oh no, that's very weird.

Starting point is 00:18:18 Oh, that was like if she slipped. Oh, no, she went around, I can hear her around the front. I'm like, oh, she can press on my neck. And then I feel something getting ready to push front. I'm like, oh, she can like press on my neck. And then I feel something getting ready to push. And I'm like, oh shit, that's a foot. So I think she was sitting away from me, holding on to something and going like, like, oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:35 Right into my handles and bars and things. I was like, this is brutal. I know, here's the best part, ready for this. There was a sign on the door, I swear to God. There was a sign on the door that they printed and it said, professional massage only know in the quotation sexual massage. Wow.

Starting point is 00:18:52 They probably get dudes coming in there being creepy. Well, because, I mean, in the defense of the dudes, there's like every other one, every other one is like that now, because they, what happened. I mean, that's what put Katrina's business out of business was, so they made up, they passed a law a while back where if you were on a temporary visa, you could legally do this massage and you could massage under the license of somebody else. So the hustle became

Starting point is 00:19:17 and this was all happened in this, this time that Katrina and them own their, their clinics and stuff, the hustle, because they used to be a high-end place, 150, 200 of the massage, like real high-end sports massage type stuff. And then incomes, this new law they passed. So you got these people that one therapist hires 20 people on visas that are like making, they're like $10 an hour huge money. They're charging $220, $220 bucks an hour. And then the hustle up on that is like, you get these girls that are willing to do $20 massages and other things on top of that.

Starting point is 00:19:49 And so then they just rake the money in. No, I didn't get it. And they put a lot of good clinics out of business, like Katrina's, they just couldn't, they couldn't, yeah, how do you compete? Yeah, at price point. Yeah, and actually, they were straight up, Katrina's like,

Starting point is 00:20:04 hey, she's like, man, there's some, some of these girls can actually massage pretty good for 20 bucks. You're saying like, I can't argue with like, they're getting you're giving you a massage for 20 bucks when ours were charging 170, like it better be light years different for 170 to 20 unless you're getting, yeah, no, this one was expensive.

Starting point is 00:20:19 This wasn't, this wasn't one of the places. Yeah, you probably went to like a, a small, a little, a little, like a small. Yeah, so those places, I think the law says it has to be in an open area. So you know when you pay 20 bucks and you're getting massaged and it's all one room. Yeah, there's other people.

Starting point is 00:20:31 Yeah, but you know how they do that, right? I've been in one of those, like they're just curtains. So it's one massive room so they can play funny. I know, so it's always a manipulative law. So I'm still in a, and they close curtain, you know, they do curtains in the, in the big full room. Wow, so I've done them, right? I've done like all the, all the different massages and she like that.

Starting point is 00:20:46 And some of the, like I said, $20 or ones or. I'll try that next time. I'll try getting a soft one next time. I'll see. It's not even that. If you just tell them, hey, ease into me before and not a tie. Tie is not for you, not where you're at right now. You do want a sports massage.

Starting point is 00:21:02 That's where you get the most released. See, my experience with massage therapist, and she was a brilliant at her job, and I remember one specific instance, because I was always reluctant, and I don't get a massage, who cares, whatever. And I had tennis elbow, really bad. This is what I was doing, Jiu-Jitsu,

Starting point is 00:21:17 and it would have to warm up, and it wasn't going away, and I couldn't figure out what was going on. And she said, let me work on your forearm. She straight relieved it. And from, okay, for one, so she brought in ice in the room. So she had ice, a heating pad. I sat in a chair with my arms, my forearms up on the massage table.

Starting point is 00:21:36 For one and a half hours, all she did was work on my forearm. And I mean, she got in there so, it was so painful. It was one of the most painful experiences of my life, seriously. But afterwards, that was it was it was gone. It was gone completely So I now have a connection with the more it sucks the better it is But I think you're saying is right. Oh, I mean, I've actually been asking Katrina for a while I want her to massage all you guys I want you guys to experience that because I was not a big massage guy before we met So I had had my experience of all of them just calling. I'm not really into it

Starting point is 00:22:04 I don't know your wife, my sister. I was. It's the. It's the weird. She make it weird. Yeah. That's what I mean. I don't mean like that.

Starting point is 00:22:12 I don't mean like that. It could be weird. I don't like, well, no, you're not. No, it's really cool. It sounds out now. No, it's weird. No, it's weird because you said your wife can read your like shit from.

Starting point is 00:22:22 Yeah. I'm not trying to get it. It's really. I mean, trying to get a good dream. I mean, she won't do that. So I was on your mind or whatever. It's far from it. She won't add. They don't talk to you unless you can engage

Starting point is 00:22:31 and talk to them. But like yeah, she'll do that. That's the moment till Adam everything. So Justin, this is really what's going on. This is not Justin is not feel about you. I don't know. I felt it in his, you know. His L5 was speaking to me.

Starting point is 00:22:42 You know what I mean? So do you know, so do you all know, we've all had enough what I mean? So do you know, so do you all know, we've all had enough of these now. So do you guys have areas on your, like you know, like your shoulder, your hip and back? Like where are you, like total release points? Do you know what these are? Mid, like the, like thoracic and kind of scapular area.

Starting point is 00:22:57 Interesting. You know what yours are? Yeah, like trap and like up into my neck and, oh, yeah, it goes all the way up. Like a lot of, a lot of it goes up into my My head like I get a lot of tension headaches. So you like that move where they go like this They reach all the way down your track. Yeah, yeah, I like pull up there. I love that. I'll give you a call traction Yeah, yeah, well that and then my hip my right hip gets a lot of

Starting point is 00:23:21 Tension there and that's my hit that you can get into you can. My pair of formists, my hips, my IT, all that. Like, you get into that and like, it's always my right side, dude. I always say don't touch my feet. I always say that. I hate it. I jump off the table. It just tickles my feet and my stomach.

Starting point is 00:23:37 I don't like, because I hadn't had that before. I had Jirlene does a stomach. I'm like, I let her do it the first time. It was great massage but the stomach, like it messed me up. I'm like don't I let her do it the first time. It's great massage with but but the stomach like it messed me up Like you fart what why just like No, like it just was weird and then like later on I just had like a reaction when my stomach was just like Just all out of wax. You know, that's where you where your store emotion and the so as and all that I didn't like it

Starting point is 00:24:02 Yeah, you know, just just leave it buried I should very dark. I'm trying to get it out. Yeah, I would ask for it if I wanted like evil sludge in there Didn't leave it in the kitchen. You know, let's not let's not move it out to the world He starts crying Are you ready for this right here? What are we doing? I have got something for you guys right now. What are you doing?

Starting point is 00:24:28 I know Andrew saw it. I sent it to YouTube. I sent it to YouTube guys. What is it? Oh, shut up, bro. Space tourism. Hey, is here. It's fucking here.

Starting point is 00:24:36 Listen to me. This is no longer a time to think it. Let's break down. Okay, here's a deal. Virgin. If one of us could easily afford, easily afford to go, that doesn't, we said general public Yeah general public bro, we don't we're not general public anymore. No, how much is it?

Starting point is 00:24:50 I'm gonna set you because because his robots said also clean but then there's No robot no Brought up a robots that pick up and set things down have been around forever and that's not To go to space? Let's hear the number. So I know when I win here. Okay, it's got to be how many millions of dollars does it have to? Hold on a second.

Starting point is 00:25:14 It can't be more. It can't be more. It can't be going. They're just going, you know, like, space tours. They're in space, bro. It's all they have to do is space. Hold on a second.

Starting point is 00:25:23 Did you say space or the moon? You said space, right? Well, maybe you said the moon. Space, bro. That's how you said do a space. Hold on a second. Did you say space or the moon? You said space bro. I told you they had And did he say the moon? I said they have a thing that they're building that's supposed to go around the moon. Didn't he say going to the moon? Yep. I mean if you go to the moon you're going to space. Yeah, so it's yeah, but like outside of Our atmosphere. So if you're just outside of our atmosphere, I knew you guys, I knew you guys, I knew you guys still not. Right? Bro, it's literally a space tourism

Starting point is 00:25:49 is here for the general population. How much does it cost? 200K ticket, which is not that crazy. Woo! Okay, I'm afraid. I haven't tried a flex right now. 200K is not, That's not a problem.

Starting point is 00:26:00 200K, name one ticket cost you 200 grand to go anywhere in the world. I mean, first class across the country is not a jug dubs first-class tickets probably fucking pretty goddamn close to that 200 grand probably 40 for one yes dog person yes 40,000 Yes, bro first-class tickets around the world is not cheap. Wait a minute look up first-class ticket from here to Tokyo and back Yes, probably like like 40,000, when we're going to take 1,000 back. Yeah, 40 grand.

Starting point is 00:26:28 Oh, I think you're right. Okay, my point is that is not that far off. Okay, now hold on. I guess 20 40 doesn't matter. It's not that far off. Oh, you're wrong, bro. It's $450,000. No, it was $200,000, where I looked.

Starting point is 00:26:39 What? Why don't you know what he pulled up? I'll put it next to you. I have no, I have to tell you. I got it. I got it on the screen. You have a, I have the ticket. I got it. I got it on the ticket. You have a base rate. Half a million.

Starting point is 00:26:47 This is Virgin Galactic site. So it's 150 grand. Maybe that's pretty solid 200K. That's the initial deposit. It was the deposit. No, I got it. I got it. I got it.

Starting point is 00:26:55 Plus, by the way, you don't go anywhere. You can literally go up to space and come back. They've been saying this. Stop it. Okay, so the initial tickets that were pre-sold were priced at 200K each. Pre-sell.

Starting point is 00:27:04 That's special discount. disc stop it you guys And point is it's not that and this is a very first one. So I'll tell you right now It's gonna they'll get it'll be 50% less before your fucking robots are washing dishes in your home Okay, when is this and here's a deal? Well, I bet you I bet you one of our friends What's this that does a space tour before one of our friends owns a fucking robot that's cleaning their dishes. Wanna continue this bet? What was the bet, by the way? Well, it's the, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:27:29 Space tourism, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What was the, did we pay? I said that we'd have, oh no, we'd have money. What's the matter? This is bragging rights. Yeah, it's bragging rights. It's worth more money anyway. I don't even watch your money.

Starting point is 00:27:38 You say, what do I need to do? We don't wanna do that. I'd rather talk shit. Yeah, you had to say I'm right. If you, if you, you know where it's at. We're not wearing this, right So this is definitely on the horizon. That's close, but I think a robot that washes your dishes is just gonna be closer, especially with AI.

Starting point is 00:27:52 Okay, so here's an easy way. Okay, somebody, one of us, or somebody close to us, okay, by proxy, friend or whatever, okay, acquaintance, friend of ours, will do a space tour before someone owns a robot that washes dishes in the house. How much more of a clear fucking win is that? Did you, who do you know, let's do it on the screen?

Starting point is 00:28:10 You can book as early as next year. I don't know anybody wanted to use it. But I guarantee we won the tour. One to two years. Now what is it, hold on, let's just add a curiosity. Okay, so they announced it. This is just like when they do a demo, right? Live and then there's like,

Starting point is 00:28:22 hey, we have it's all ready to go, but it's not ready for you. So what does it go up to space and comes back down to earth? That's it. That's a good question. That's expensive for that. That's a first one, dude. And you're going to get a month, you're going to get one. It's going to be as you hope.

Starting point is 00:28:36 And there's going to be a line of people that will pay that just to be the first people to do it. Look at this. You'll enjoy a future astronaut community membership. Okay, now pull up Tesla's robot just for comparison. It ain't no 400 grand. Yeah, I mean, it's stop. Stop. Well, let me tell you where there is, but there has been robots that have been picking up boxes and doing shit like that forever. I, when we talked to a student that was in an AI class, his, his

Starting point is 00:29:01 comment was, he wasn't a good student. What? Come on man. He's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the, he's not on the,

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Starting point is 00:29:32 Under 20, it's your point. The robots will read about what it can do. Yeah. Just so Adam can like, naysay it first. Yeah, watch the robot takes you space too. It can. It can walk up and take happy birthday to you. It can carry your blankets to the

Starting point is 00:29:45 locker room. I mean, I had it rocky for already. I don't understand like we're even arguing. Remember that? The robot and Rocky for. Hey, Polly. Hey, the true test will be this. Listen, if one of our friends get a fucking house robot that does the dishes before or one of you guys gets it, you win. But we might have to buy one. We will. Yeah. We'll go in on together. It just interacts with the physical world and it performs. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. The idea is to have replaced humans for repetitive and boring tasks, performing unsafe tasks. So it's going to have good balance, navigation, perception, interaction, physical world. Is that count a number of all kinds of things? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:20 This is repetitive. I mean, once we see it do it, then, okay good, Cam. All right, and it's there, but here's the bad. Here's the proven itself. So we're in the same boat here. If we win, you gotta wear shirt that says, Alan Justin will ride. You will win. I'll wear a shirt that says animals. Yeah, well, animals right.

Starting point is 00:30:36 Well, or we can, we're gonna buy each other, I'll buy you a ticket on the fucking flight over to what you call her. That's too crazy, doesn't just spend money like that. It's frivolous. What are you gonna see, dude? It's not gonna be a taxi route. It's been money like that's frivolous. What are you gonna see dude? It's not gonna be a taxi route. It's not gonna be 200K for after a year being out.

Starting point is 00:30:53 It won't even be 200K. You should know that. People are just gonna go on there and they're gonna yeah, they're gonna vomit. I mean, they're not even gonna be like, it would be a hitty to sell it for whatever, like 200 right now when everybody's willing to pay 400, pay charge the top dollar

Starting point is 00:31:06 till it's like happening all the time. You know what, you just mentioned something, what are the, what are the flat earthers gonna do? Oh, they're gonna blow their mind. They're not exploding. Hey, they're the first ones paying 400k. They don't have the cut money, they're not that smart. They're gonna be like, oh, it's all fake up here.

Starting point is 00:31:20 Yeah. It's CGI in the window. You know, hey, there's a rich, like, fun one of the good ones. There's so rich flat earthers, Kyrie Irvin was a flat earth Or he needs a girl. Yeah, he's gonna get him a ticket. It's not the same I was there's a bunch of other rich people I think stupid shit exactly. I mean you're smart if you're rich. Yeah, anyway, I don't know

Starting point is 00:31:39 Dude I had so many ds. I was like bro. I'll bring it up But don't worry these guys are gonna find a way to fucking back But I'll bring it up. Don't worry, these guys are gonna find a way to fucking back, but I don't, dude. You want to, yeah, space tourism here. It's not enough for you guys. It's an announcement. That's cool. But at least, it's not really, it's like this clear.

Starting point is 00:31:53 So we don't have to keep bringing this up every single time. A robot that does dishes in anybody, either of our houses or any of our friends houses, or one of our adding to this. Well, it has to be a friend of ours. A acquaintance. Okay. It can't be a fucking article of some random

Starting point is 00:32:07 or somebody we kinda know. Yeah, not like a friend, yeah, okay. Or someone will do a space tour. Why you change the bet? The bet was widely available. Because you already lost the other bet, there's already a space tour happening. It's already happening, so you lost that one.

Starting point is 00:32:19 That's not widely available. It's widely available. If you have 200k, you could do it. Plenty of people have 200k. You're still, that's what I said. It's widely available. If you have 200K, you could do it. Plenty of people have 200K. That's still, that's what I said. All right, fine. Okay. Somebody we know either flies on.

Starting point is 00:32:30 Well, how many people drive 200K cars around? Yeah. Okay. There's people that can find a way to get a ticket to do space for them. That's not that outrageous. If it was a million dollars, and I'd tell you guys,

Starting point is 00:32:40 okay, that's out of reach for most people. But a 200K ticket is not out of reach. It's expensive. Yeah. So it's first class, but hell of people is not out of reach. It's expensive. Yeah. So it's first class, but hell of people fly first class every day. What's that flight going to be like? So do they just, it's not obviously it's not going straight up. It's just flying higher and higher until you're out of the atmosphere.

Starting point is 00:32:55 I can't find exactly what is happening, but I do see that the first one is scheduled for then this month. Yeah, it's going to be like literally just outside of the atmosphere. So right above it. So just so you guys are clear, into this month, you lose. Okay, you lose because by the end of the, unless your dishes get washed by in the next 30 days, you lose the bet.

Starting point is 00:33:12 So I'm trying to extend the bet for you that, hey, when will one of us have a friend that has a new robot? Is that the first flight goes out? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay.

Starting point is 00:33:21 That's cool. Get your t-shirts. Get your fucking t-shirts. Since we're talking about stupid stuff. You guys know what? Hey, listen to what? That's stupid, that's cool. Get your t-shirts, okay? He did it, it really, get your fucking t-shirts. Since we're talking about stupid stuff. You guys know what? Hey, listen to what? That's stupid, that's cool. It's so dumb.

Starting point is 00:33:30 So listen to what Kim Jong Un just did. Oh god, let me get you to know. Well, this is what's his latest record. When you're like, does he have all the Guinness World records? Dude, he has to. Listen to what he just did, right for this. Yeah, it's here.

Starting point is 00:33:48 So many people in North Korea are committing suicide. Okay. Because it just means why now why they come in so sorry about no food. It's great. Whatever. So he has now he's ordered them to stop kill themselves by punishment or do you of execution? Really? That's not a real thing. Is it?

Starting point is 00:34:02 I want to kill you. If you try to kill yourself, I'll kill you. That's that's literally what it is. That's a real. That's a real thing. I want to kill you. If you try to kill yourself, I'll kill you. That's literally what you do. That's a real thing? Yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah, because it's called, like either counting it as a man. Leadership. It's an act of presence against socialism.

Starting point is 00:34:16 It's like one of those, like the, it's like an eagle, yeah, with a poster, like, with this poster, yeah. You try to kill yourself, I will murder you. I will kill you if you try. He literally said that. So he's making me like that. That's so crazy.

Starting point is 00:34:29 You remember those? Remember those were really popular? Those poster? Yeah, just the posters that would have like an ego on it and say like leadership, but it had like a hang in there. Yeah, it's really, it's really, it's an animal or something. We can't hang in from the tree. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:41 Hey, so, so check this out, right? So this is interesting, a little bit of a left turn here, but I've been kind of speculating on something and I'm noticing some stuff in kind of mainstream information and what's getting popular and it seems to be surfacing more and more. And now I'm looking at data that's kind of supporting what I was kind of suspecting. And I think a lot of people have been speculating on this. And then I've listened to some podcast by some spiritual leaders who are kind of commenting on this.

Starting point is 00:35:12 So a while ago, I don't know if I said this on the show, but a while ago, I think I talked to you guys and I said, it seems like religion and structure and that kind of stuff seems to be making a comeback, especially with younger men. It seems to be making comeback. You've been saying that for a while. I have. It's happening. Are you sure, or are you just red pill?

Starting point is 00:35:30 No. No. It's all the cons. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's happening. And it's not, like, young men are not going to, like, the local Christian church that plays music and you sing, they're going to the more structured versions, like Latin Mass, Orthodox Christianity,

Starting point is 00:35:48 like the more structured. So I love your speculation. Yeah, I do have some theories on that. And the irony of it is that, and you've actually said this before in the podcast, is that it's, and this is in our nature, to as young men as a teenager to rebel against the norm. And the norm has become so radical on the left

Starting point is 00:36:09 and anti-god and all that shit so much that now the most rebellious thing you could do is go to a very strict church. So I actually think that's what we're seeing is like a rebellious side to this movement, which is kind of ironic that it's leading to people to God. Yeah, I think too.

Starting point is 00:36:28 It's just like the perception of our world it looks so chaotic because of all the different media feeds that we see in like what kind of like narratives are trying to push for all kinds of different directions. And it's like, you know, like people just, I think there's this drive to just like make sense and order of things and so to go into something that's a little more, you know, even more structured

Starting point is 00:36:50 than they've experienced with. You literally hit the nail on the head. In a world that seems completely devoid of structure and discipline, where you can get anything, anytime you want. Everything's relative. Like you can make an argument for your people decision. Especially young man, especially young man, every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk.

Starting point is 00:37:06 Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk.

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Starting point is 00:37:25 Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. Every time you walk. And he goes, young men don't want easy, they want hard, they want structure. And he goes, and it actually bit us in the ass, and people started leaving. And so now they're coming back, but they're going to these more orthodox forms. And it makes sense. Again, if you look at the world, there's no structure around anything, you do what you want, you get what you want. And a lot of people feel sad, discontent,

Starting point is 00:37:41 they feel like they're just kind of floating in the wind. And so they want that's they're looking for structure So things like stoicism have exploded. Yeah, they talked about on this podcast these hardcore discipline fitness influencers who are exploding as leaders Like what are they saying like work out every morning eat like that? Disciplines. Yes, so it's this interesting movement that's starting to happen where People are craving because everybody feels this anxious, like, what the hell? I need some structure. I need some discipline.

Starting point is 00:38:10 I need something to help order things. And it's these more orthodox traditions. I think we're also just... I think we're also... I think we're also... I think we're also... We're also... I think we're also...

Starting point is 00:38:20 I think we're also... We're also... We're also... We're also... We're also... We're also... We're also... We're also... because it's gotten so extreme too. So I think that a lot of this was already kind of happening under the surface a little bit anyways, but I think that group tends to be this kind of silent majority a lot of the times. And I think that there's more and more people that are,

Starting point is 00:38:36 this is like that are finally going like, okay, this is getting too ridiculous. Or this is now starting to creep into my life. I mean, I find that I identify with this group of people. I don't feel like I really have a dog in this fight that much. But then once this starts bleeding into or starts to affect my kid at school and this chained, that shit, like, okay, now we have a problem.

Starting point is 00:38:53 Like now you're gonna get my attention. Now I'm gonna be more vocal about it only because it's fucking with me because I really don't give a shit what everybody else does. If you got to eat their own and how they wanna live their life. I just don't hurt me, don't steal shit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Don't just, don't repeat in my life, you know what I'm saying own and how they want to live their lives. I just don't hurt me, don't steal. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:39:05 Don't just don't repeat in my life. You know what I'm saying? That's all I care about. And so now that you, it's starting to encroach on, I think, mothers and fathers and people that now I feel like they're having. So I think that's kind of a combination of everything you're talking about is what we're talking about. Well, that's part of it. The other part of it is young men are dating less.

Starting point is 00:39:23 They're pursuing less risky challenges. People think that's a good thing, but it's actually in part of his young men are dating less, they're pursuing less risky challenges. People think that's a good thing, but it's actually in part of our nature. Like, less risky challenge like going out and talking to girls versus going online and watching porn or whatever, playing video games, which simulate challenge, but it's not real challenge like in the real world.

Starting point is 00:39:40 So young men are doing these things and they're fucking sad and they're depressed and they need challenge and meaning, especially young men are doing these things and they're fucking sad and they're depressed and they need Challenge and meaning especially young men need to feel like they're going towards something It's why they're a track this way really dysfunctional young men can often be radicalized in particular is a prime targets So it kind of provides Some of that some of that structure you're not left. Yeah, they're like oh my god. This this feels right like I feel Like I have a purpose, I have some meaning. And these are age old practices.

Starting point is 00:40:10 It's really interesting to watch kind of what's going on right now. That's really interesting. Well, I think you also, I mean, we kind of off-air, we've joked about this. Like, and I don't know where I feel and where I stand exactly on this is, there's a huge movement right now,

Starting point is 00:40:23 especially in the fitness space to you know attract you know beta men and help them become more alpha. Yeah, and so there's a lot of these like it feels a bit exploitive doesn't it? It does feel it's like it's like because I feel called to help that group of men also you know like I feel like I never anticipated this podcast or this what we've done to kind of morph into that. Of course, it was about sharing our fitness knowledge and helping people become healthier, fitter people. Along that way, I felt like we've had this movement of, you know, fatherhood, being leaders

Starting point is 00:40:57 for other young men that are growing up. And so I feel passionately drawn in that direction as maybe some of these other people do it, but I feel like it's exploiting it to try and monetize it by having these groups where you know, like, you know, bring your son and your father and let's do this boot camp thing and let me fucking make you get up at four o'clock in the morning, spray water on your face

Starting point is 00:41:18 and run and mud and like, now you're an alpha, you know? Like, I don't know. And I don't want to be, I don't want to come off either, by the way, if I'm offending somebody who's done that and I'm not trying to be judgey about it, I'm not sure if that, it's like, it's, it's with me kind of like the mastermind stuff does. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:41:33 And I know some people maybe have, well, when you see a mastermind, it had lots of success. When you see a market and you see a market demand, then there's always going to be people who come in and they're going to try to take advantage. And that's what I think a lot of that is. Is. So what, okay, so what I'm trying to get a read on, that's what I'm trying to articulate

Starting point is 00:41:48 right now, is like, is it take advantage or is it serving a need? That's what I'm there for. That's what the verdict is. The verdict is not out for me. Here's what I think. I think the, the ancients understood human behavior way better than we do. We know science, we understand the material world, but human behavior, they understand,

Starting point is 00:42:08 they understood very, very well. I think if you're gonna go and try to become more quote unquote manly, then you would wanna go somewhere where they're practicing these things that have been done for thousands of years that are trying true. What you don't wanna do is go to some modern, become a guy, become a man, what does that look like?

Starting point is 00:42:26 Here's how you pick up on chicks. Go do something hard and that's all we got to do. And I don't know, I feel like the playbook is out there. I don't think as easy as going on a weekend, I think people who talk about it the right way, like Jordan Peterson does a very good job. And what does he do? He breaks down this wisdom and he explains it

Starting point is 00:42:45 in ways that are understandable. But the wisdom's out there. There's nothing new. It's not new. It's all stuff that we've, did you guys, have you guys seen the data by the way on fathers and versus mothers who practice, spiritual practice and what it does with the kids?

Starting point is 00:42:58 Oh yeah, the likelihood that if a father practices the likelihood of the child is like crazy. Exponentially higher. Yeah, like 80 to 10 or something crazy like that I thought I saw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the mother of something like that, right? Yeah, so the fathers have the biggest influence

Starting point is 00:43:11 over the kids and what they practice versus more. I mean, I think that's just, if you're the leader of the house in that sense, right? That's kind of what it ends up being. Interesting, yeah. It's interesting, anyway. So, so this is kind of crazy. I just read this the other day.

Starting point is 00:43:24 Remember how we talked about that 14 year old that got a job at Or was it space X? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we Somebody just tested with the highest IQ ever ever beating Einstein and Stephen Hawking. What? Yeah, what an 11 year old what just tested with the high, it's a girl, it's an Iranian girl. She just scored the highest IQ ever. Wow. 162 points. That's two points ahead of Einstein.

Starting point is 00:43:54 I had 11 years old. Yeah, so this is the Mensa IQ test. So it's done within a specific time. Have you ever done any of these before? I've never done any of these before. I did an IQ test a while ago. I don't remember what I was doing. Who was it?

Starting point is 00:44:06 Oh, it was our buddy Chris who was talking about like some of these, like is it one of those tests that are, it's based more on logic than it is like stuff that you would have to study or learn in school? Isn't that well? I think so. Which makes sense why an 11 year old could do it because if you didn't study, you know, trick,

Starting point is 00:44:19 like time and 11. I never took an IQ test. I don't know what that entails. Yeah, I think it has to do. It's, it's your, the person's ability to understand the meaning of that. Oh, I'm totally fucking, say what? I'm afraid to tell me I'm dumb.

Starting point is 00:44:30 I'm gonna be horrible. Who cares? You're gonna motivate me. You are who you are, right? You know, there's nothing to me. Hey, you know, okay, so let's just play this out in your head a little bit here. If you do it, it comes back.

Starting point is 00:44:40 Yeah, if you took it and it's stable. So do you know that? Oh. So I'm trying to get Katrina to do it at ancestry.com. I tell you guys this, yeah. She won you took it and stable. So do you know that? I'm trying to get Katrina to do it at Ancestry.com. I tell you guys this set. Yeah, and she won't do it. She refused to do it because she's afraid. She's afraid of what? Because I mean, her and I both kind of have, you know, me, she would think that I have a little bit of a rough, rougher upbringing than she did, but she didn't have an easy rough upbringing herself either. So when she's afraid of she's going to see

Starting point is 00:45:04 a bunch of people that are She's related. Yeah, or she thinks that maybe she has a different dad. Oh, yeah, so there's like so what she like refuses You guys are third cousins Stop we're so similar. Oh shit That's how you when I was in Iceland that was a thing. I know they actually had to test They have to have like an app or the Connected because it's like it's too close proximity. Like everybody's lived there and it's like inevitably

Starting point is 00:45:29 like a cousin of yours or whatever, you don't know, you might interact with and end up dating. So we got into it about it. Because I'm like, she's like, I don't care. I don't want to know. I'm like, I don't either. It's for my son. It's like for our family tree going forward.

Starting point is 00:45:42 I'm like, I want to be able to. You know, she could put a fake name in it so that it won't alert anybody to her. If she's afraid of people finding her. Yeah, but then what could it be? I'm the whole idea is to find the lineage. You'll still find it. I don't want to do it.

Starting point is 00:45:55 I don't want the one doctor to be my dad. You know what I mean? Oh, the guy in the fish canard area. Yeah, I told her, listen, honey, I said, I'm rolling the dice the same way you are. We might find out I have a different dad, different every, like I have no idea. I don't think it tells you if you're dad,

Starting point is 00:46:11 I don't think it'll tell you unless your dad has also done the test. It's just, it's not gonna connect to heritage, right? Well, yeah, but if you're real dad connected, did the test and it might connect to you. Or if like it leaps like, you know, you see you're connected to a different dad's dad's dad's. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:28 So all it has to be, I mean, you can easily point you to different, like, wait a second, I don't know this guy was related to me. How's that possible, right? So, I mean, that's what she's just worried about. And I'm like, I don't care for my son. I want to, I want to be able to tell them. I tell her we're generational characters.

Starting point is 00:46:42 That's who we are in our family. Like we're changing the family tree. So I want it for, are not for me. I want it for our son and our son son. And they're like, it would be interesting. I am curious about it. I thought about doing that, but it's just like, I don't know, like what are you gonna do?

Starting point is 00:46:57 Like you're not gonna get all the specific medical information which I think would be better. No, so you could do it. So that's what we did. And you can actually get that. Yeah, so you do. So ancestry.com's what we did. And you can actually get that. Yeah, so you do. So ancestry.com is as we are looking at Nathaniel's. So Larry's son did his and it's already fascinating enough to know like where he's 30%

Starting point is 00:47:13 this but but then it tells you like percentage of like we've missed that. Yeah, of all the different. Yeah, our condition is. That is the reason it's this. So that was what made me really go like man, it's worth it for those things. Yeah, so you can also take another step further. You could take the data and bring it to a company that specifically does that, that's what we did.

Starting point is 00:47:33 So the reason why we did it is because my son, you know, he's like, he gets these random skin issues of trying to figure out what's going on. And so we want to see if he had the, I think it's called the MTHFR gene, maybe Andrew can look this up MTFR age. I don't remember what it was, but this particular, I guess, gene marker means that you potentially could get rid of toxins slower than the average person. So you could have build-ups of things like mold faster or other toxins. So you have have buildups of things like mold faster

Starting point is 00:48:05 or other toxins, so you have to be careful of your liver and there's a whole other, like it's basically something to consideration. Well, Jessica and I both have it, which means for sure my son has it. Now I seem to get rid of shit faster than Jessica. So it's not a guarantee, but it's interesting. So it means you get rid of caffeine slower,

Starting point is 00:48:23 it means you, you know, you have to be careful with certain chemicals. I don't know what it's called, MTHR. Yeah, you're right, MTHR for pretty much decreased ability to detoxify. Yeah. So lame that you can remember stuff like that. What? It's very specifically guided, though.

Starting point is 00:48:39 I can't remember. It's really laser, I call out things I'm in VSL or Jellicell, that makes me so mad. Yeah, medical fitness. It gives you such a leg up, yeah. It's such a leg up. Bro, it's amazing. laser I call out things I'm an MVS over jealous of that makes me so yeah medical fit gives you such a leg up. Yeah, it's such a leg up bro. It's not that's why other stuff in your life It's supposed to be hard, bro because you get that advantage. It's it's not like it comes without a cost You know what I'm saying? I don't feel sorry for you. So here's rock on my back. Oh, so here it is look at this

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Starting point is 00:49:57 for some of the other stuff that other people with this, because I've always been taking creating. Wow. Crazy, right? Yeah, that is crazy. All because I was insecure about my body. I served me so well. great take. Wow, crazy, right? Yeah, that is crazy. All because I was insecure about my body. I served me so well. So, I did it right.

Starting point is 00:50:10 Something right. But my skin conditions. God, speaking of skin, Adam, how, so you use Caldera Labs products more than we do. I just use the oil. Religiously. He just used the oil. You use the oil. So, actually, you know what, I finally started using the eye cream right now.

Starting point is 00:50:27 So, I'm using the eye cream. I wasn't doing it. So, I have like the eye cream. The only thing that I do, what do I, I don't use. No, I use, I feel like there's a product that I'm not using. Okay, how does the eye cream, were you just put it on before you were bad? Yeah, I just put it, no, underneath my, you know, it's where I'm bad. You use soap too, right?

Starting point is 00:50:42 Yeah, so, bar soap is the best bar soap I've ever started using. So, I'm like, is it foam up, like he said? Yeah. Like thick. Like it's just, yeah, it's like a foamy layer. Wow. You know, like some soap, you're like, you have like scrub and then you get like a little bit

Starting point is 00:50:55 of a lather, like you just, one time it's like lather. Wow. It's just here, it's foamed. Yeah. It's like a nitro. Is it like those kind of bubbles? I mean, and hey, I'm like, my son was showering with me after we were outside playing, so that's what we just

Starting point is 00:51:06 do, it's so nice that like, you know, trying to, uh, wash a young toddler with a bar of soap. Well, you're like, yeah, dude, it's so hard, but with that, so rad, I'd lather up and then it's all over and it's like, I mean, I could actually get him. I'm trying to catch him, really catch a grease pig. Yeah, right. You're gonna hold your kid when they're wet.

Starting point is 00:51:25 You know what I'm saying? Those are like weird things you would not think of until you're a dad and you're in that situation. It's like just every dad can think of that right now. Yeah, remember trying to lather your son up with a bar soap? I know. It's like possible.

Starting point is 00:51:34 Nearly impossible. So you use soap, the eye cream, the aisle. The eye cream I just started, the serum, and then I always forget the name of the, what's the regular topical? This one, the cream that I like the most, which I use. Yeah, but I use every day.

Starting point is 00:51:49 Every single day, I use it when I get out of the shower and then sometimes at night. Do you put it anywhere else or just your face in head? Well, I put on my psoriasis. So like you'll see, everyone's, I don't, you gotta see me before. Oh, I see, but you're talking, like if I'm itching my psoriasis.

Starting point is 00:52:04 I see. What is it the oil that you're talking, you'll, like if I'm itching my psoriasis, I see. I'll, what is it, the oil that you put it on? Yeah, just the serum. And the serum, like, it totally keeps it from, so part of what makes psoriasis a pain in the ass is it gets dry and itchy. And so most of the creams that they give you are like a steroid, petroleum oil type of like mixture

Starting point is 00:52:21 that you put on there. And so this is an all natural version of keeping my skin moist right or like moisture or whatever. So when it gets dry and itchy like that, I'll just reach over, I'll put a drop on it and then and then it actually cleans it up better than even the stupid psoriasis, creams and oils that they think of. You know the steroids, the steroids that people use on their skin. I use everything. It's the base layer, that's what it's called. So, you know what's, what, I don't remember, I was gonna go, anyway. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:49 Yes. It happened. You got distracted. You got distracted, you know what I mean? Oh man. It happened. Yeah, so, you use it too though, don't you? Oh, that's what you start as religiously.

Starting point is 00:52:58 I'm gonna say the steroid creams. When people use steroid creams on things like psoriasis or eczema, and it controls it, over time, they need stronger and more steroid creams. And like psoriasis or eczema and it controls it over time They need stronger and more certain and then when you go off of them. Have you seen what happens? Yeah, it gets way worse You get it right down through it. What do you mean? You get a rebound? So I saw I know somebody. I don't want to say who they were. I know somebody who it stopped working So she's like I'm just gonna stop taking the stuff and then let my body adapt. It was like a 30 day process and she took pictures. I felt so bad.

Starting point is 00:53:27 Her skin, it came out, oh my God, so it was like she was, she was actually at poison, I went through the steroid shots for a while because they were so effective. They convinced me like years ago to try the steroid shot and it was actually like magical. I took the shot and every day for the next five days,

Starting point is 00:53:45 my psoriasis shrunk, shrunk, shrunk, almost looked like it went away. And I was like, whoa, but then over about three months or so, I would start to come back again and then I do the stare-out shot again. And then I realized like, oh my God, it was still getting worse. I better stop this.

Starting point is 00:54:01 And so I stopped it. And then now it's worse than it's ever been. And that was years ago when that was going on. But yeah, I mean, it works. It reminds me of like a, you know, core zone shots. Yeah, you work like it's so like you get hooked on it because it works like instantly.

Starting point is 00:54:15 And like, oh, shit, this is how it works. And then you realize that your body figures it out. She went off everything and her skin just lit up. And she had to wait and go through this whole 30 day or something process of her skin. She's like, couldn't move. Everything itched. Oh, it's terrible.

Starting point is 00:54:30 It's terrible. See these pictures, so. Yeah, I know, I'm right. I actually, the last thing that I need to do is, because even Caldera, as amazing it is for my psoriasis and so it's still a band-aid for what, like the root cause. Root cause has got to be something related to my gut.

Starting point is 00:54:43 I still got to get the stool thing with cabral and go through that process and try and eliminate. I've never done like a carnivore straight water diet to like eliminate to nothing. And I've been toying around with maybe potentially. The first time I go to him and see if he can tell me specific things and if not, then I need to go on a run for like,

Starting point is 00:55:02 just see what happens. Yeah, I just need to, we're just case scenario you go back and go. Yeah. Yeah, no totally shout out today. So I got JP Sears, I think that it's been a long time since we brought him up and you know That guy's content is just so good man He's such as a smart funny dude and I just I think the other day he had some clip That I was laughing about and I hadn't checked to see how, like dude, he's grown to almost a million followers.

Starting point is 00:55:27 He's amazing. Yeah, you guys know he's a check, he's a checker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. People know him about JP, he's a really good fitness guy. Yeah, like really good stuff. He's really smart. Yeah, yeah, no, no.

Starting point is 00:55:40 I think that's what makes his content so good and funny is because he has a very intelligent way of approaching like really tough conversations. Satire is always like very good. Oh, his handle is awakened with JP, is that right? Yep. Yep. Hey, look, if you had a high protein diet, you might benefit from taking the right kind

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Starting point is 00:56:52 We know there's certain things connected to soreness. So if you haven't done an exercise for a while, that will increase soreness. If you haven't exercised at all, that'll increase soreness. Novel stimulus. Lack of sleep, having your fatty acid profile be off, so it's more pro inflammatory. Some exercises tend to cause more soreness. These are the ones that tend to load you

Starting point is 00:57:15 in a stretched position, for example. You're more likely to have sore hamstrings from, let's say, a stiff leg of deadlift than you would be from leg curls. So it's hard to say, but one thing is for sure that soreness does not indicate that you had a successful workout. It can tell you you did too much, like you went too hard, if you're really soren, you're soren for longer than a day or two, you probably over did it, but there's a lot of mystery around soreness.

Starting point is 00:57:41 We still don't quite understand why or what or what's happening in the body. I mean, everything you're saying spot on and true. And then to add to that, I would like to know what a comparable workout is because if it's not the exact same workout, all it takes is one novel stimulus to be in your program and you're going to get sore or so. So you may think because you do barbell backsquads

Starting point is 00:58:05 every single workout that you train and then this series of movements afterwards that are. And then today, you did lunges. You did lunges or Bulgarian split squats or even front squats, which are really similar, but not similar enough that that little bit of a change of stimulus is enough to make the body feel really sore if it's a movement

Starting point is 00:58:24 that you haven't been practicing consistently. So not that everything you didn't say that it could be that. Like, if you did it, so if she said, I do the exact same workout every single every day and then for some reason, sometimes I'm sore, sometimes I'm not, that would, I think, allude more to the direction that you were going with. Because even then, I mean, I've noticed that too with people going and extending the range of motion, which they realize. And it's just like, it's just a natural thing. I've noticed that too with people going and extending the range of motion, which they realize.

Starting point is 00:58:45 And it's just like, it's just a natural thing. You get more comfortable with that specific exercise. And maybe you're just performing it with more depth this time or like you're doing it at a different pace or, you know, there's just certain like variables and characteristics that can contribute towards that. Yeah. We do know that like the negative portion of a rep tends to cause more soreness loading in a stretch position tends to cause more soreness.

Starting point is 00:59:10 For example, you're more likely to get sore from a heavy chest fly with dumbbells and you would from cables because flies you tend to load heavier on the stretch. But yeah, it doesn't tell you, it tells you if you did too much, but I could make myself sore right now with the same intensity, anything, just by changing the exercises. And some exercises, like I said, are more likely to make you sore. It's, it's pretty rare that I get sore from, let's say, a lateral, side lateral. Like, it beat their shit out of my shoulder side laterals. But if I did, like an overhead press, I'm more likely to get sore.

Starting point is 00:59:48 So, but it doesn't tell you a lot and I hate giving answers like that, but it's just true. Well, there's degrees of it too, right? Like you said, like you really know when you over did it when it's like it's hard to even move and function the next day, versus like when you just you feel like a tightness and you feel like a little bit of a Restriction, you know, it's like okay. That's probably a decent spot. I get way less sore from heavy weight and really low reps I do from my reps beard and a story all things being equal right if it's novel that's different But let's say consistently working out one way or the other if I'm doing 12 to 14 reps

Starting point is 01:00:22 I'm way more likely to get sore than if I'm doing sets of like three reps. I almost never get sore from the low reps up, but I can feel it, I can feel that I worked out, it feels a little different. Does that mean one's more effective than the other? No. The key word in this to me is comparable. The fact that they used comparable,

Starting point is 01:00:39 and not exactly the same, because if it was exactly the same that I'm troubleshooting like you are, but if you say comparable to me, I'd be like, well, comparable in what sense? You follow the same, because if it was exactly the same that I'm troubleshooting like you are, but if you say comparable to me, I'd be like, well, comparable in what sense? You follow the same sets and reps, or you follow the exact same exercises, because changing either one of those

Starting point is 01:00:52 could easily make the difference with you being sore. If you always train in the eighth to 10 rep rates, also then you go three to five in that workout, but same exercises, like you're probably gonna get sore. And same thing goes, if you always train... The tempo, you didn't even change the tempo. Yeah, tempo yeah so I mean comparable to what is what I would want to know to like really be able to give you a more specific answer All right next question is from green fitness I have some kind of massive imbalance in my hips in the past

Starting point is 01:01:18 I've hurt my back and right hip several times and no matter how I train it's like it always comes back now I stretch a pretty good amount and I always warm up. I can still handle load, but it constantly holds me back, especially on my dead list. This is a classic, classic example of a left to right imbalance. This script, okay.

Starting point is 01:01:36 There's an asymmetry going on here. Now here's what happens. You train a particular way for so long, both feet on the ground, so bilateral type training, barbell, extra. So even dumbbells, but both arms and legs at the same time, you do this for so long. Your body has an imbalance and it just strengthens along with that imbalance to the point where that imbalance thing gets in the way. And then you'll find that once you go past a certain

Starting point is 01:01:58 weight or intensity, ow, I hurt myself. You could warm up all you want. You could stretch all you want. That strength stretch all you want. That strength imbalance is the issue. It's not necessarily a flexibility imbalance, although that's part of it. It's not necessarily an imbalance in any other way, other than strength. If there's a strength imbalance and it's big enough, then you're going to have what are called repeating injuries. And that's exactly what this person said. I keep hitting. So if you're listening to this right now, and there's like one thing that always pops up once you get to a certain point,

Starting point is 01:02:28 one of the best things you could do is an entire training cycle of unilateral training. Real unilateral training. Mapsimetry. Mapsimetry would literally, for this person right here, if they followed Mapsimetry one to two times, they would probably solve this issue.

Starting point is 01:02:42 It would probably be the solution. I would add two to, and this is ever since our great experience almost eight years ago now with Dr. Brink, look to the feet, it's just not something that, because you're talking about your hips and your low back. And so rarely do people think that it's stemming from the foot yet more often than not.

Starting point is 01:03:03 It is. So even though this is in your hip and low back, you're probably looking from the knees up, but many times, and it doesn't take much because as it goes up, just like the knowledge that Sally says, if you're like barely off a degree and then you go miles out, that's a huge gap between you. I think the same thing with a little bit of discrepancy

Starting point is 01:03:22 on your right foot. So if it just slightly pronates, by the time it gets all the way up to your hip and your low back, there's a big difference. So that pay attention to that if there is discrepancy from left to right and normally the most common ones are the feet will externally rotate more on one side or the ankle will roll and pronate in. And then that will cause the caving in, the internal rotation of the femur, which then you get that asymmetrical shift

Starting point is 01:03:49 that you're talking about. And it's all coming from, you know, foot strength, which is normally ready to just overall, foot strength and ankle mobility, that's limiting you and just end, again, the symmetry. And then if you have the ability to do symmetry, barefoot and work barefoot, like I would recommend doing that.

Starting point is 01:04:05 100% I mean, that's such an overlooked aspect of everything we're doing, especially like up the kinetic chain, how massively that affects all the rest of the joints and that sort of triangle of pressure, right? If you can just refocus and slow down and just kind of pay attention to that, like even in your stance, your walking patterns. That's like that's heal the ball, your big foot,

Starting point is 01:04:28 and then the ball. Right, so like your big toe pressure, your pinky toe, and then like where the tongue of your shoe is, right, like having that whole four foot sort of, you know, contacting at the same time and like just trying to keep focused on that, because you'll notice any kind of deviation from there and see what's happening. But too, even like they said that they stretch,'ll notice any kind of deviation from there and see what's happening.

Starting point is 01:04:46 But too, even like they said that they stretch, and so what kind of stretches are you doing? I wanna know, like, if this is a static stretch or you're actually doing mobility drills and doing things where... Pyming. Yeah, we're actually like strengthening and we're trying to intensify that with muscle tension,

Starting point is 01:05:03 so your body feels like it has strength and control stability there, not necessarily just trying to relax and get range of movement. Yeah, and you could also do this, this might be what's happening. Oh, this stretch feels good. So I'm gonna do this stretch. Well, yeah, you could alleviate the initial tension

Starting point is 01:05:18 and issue, but you're not solving the root cause. By the way, this is an experiment that someone can run that would illustrate what we're talking about. You could take a, like an insert and put it in one shoe, and that'll literally lift your foot up by not even a quarter of an inch, like a quarter of an inch of an insert. So put one of those doctor's shoals, foot things in one foot, and then walk around all day and tell me you don't notice a change in your low back.

Starting point is 01:05:42 You'll start to feel, you might even feel tension up in your shoulder and it's all coming from this like quarter inch rise in your foot that might almost be imperceptible. So this is how it happens. So over the years of strengthening your body with this, you know, quote unquote small imbalance it becomes bigger and bigger and bigger. So literally if you're listening to this, follow

Starting point is 01:06:02 map symmetry like one or two times in a row and you'll probably solve this issue. Next question is from the ordinary yogi. When doing dips, how do you adjust body position to focus on chest or triceps? All right. So in layman's terms or generally speaking, being more upright will hit the triceps more leaning forward, will hit the chest more. But you want to really think about what they both do, right? The tricep extends the elbow. So the more elbow flexion and extension in the dips, the more tricep I get. The pack takes the humerus, the upper arm,

Starting point is 01:06:35 and brings it towards the center of the body. So the more my elbows come out and then come together, the more I'm gonna get chest. So think of that as well, because I can actually be up right and still make it more chest, and I actually be upright and still make it more chest, and I can lean forward and still make it more tricep based off of elbow and, you know, the elbow position in essence.

Starting point is 01:06:52 So kind of I wanna understand that, by the way, that helps you with any exercise. Any exercise you do if you just look up muscle action on the internet and kind of picture it while you're doing the exercise, you're usually able to connect a little better to what you're trying to feel. So if you're going dips, chest is upright,

Starting point is 01:07:07 straight as possible, elbows in tight, if for triceps. You're going chest, elbows flared, lean forward. So you get more. I mean, what you're explaining, I think, is easy for us, because that's what I know. We're in the business of teaching people how to, you have to understand the mechanics, I think, of a muscle is challenging for the average person.

Starting point is 01:07:29 That's just an easy rule when you're doing dips. If you want chest, elbows are flared and you're leaning forward. If you want it triceps, you're more upright. Elbows tucked in right. Underrated exercise, by the way. Phenominally effective at developing all the pushing muscles, the front delts, the chest, and the triceps. I'll add one more if you're having trouble with that. So if I really wanted to keep it out of my chest, I would shorten the range up a tiny bit.

Starting point is 01:07:53 Yeah. So the deeper you go, the more chest and shoulders you're going to get involved. So if you're, which is a great thing, not a bad thing. But if I'm like, today's arm day and I I don't wanna hit any chest or shoulders with that, I'm gonna actually not only stay up for that. Yeah, I'm gonna stop at 90 degrees. I'm gonna get down to 90 degrees. Even though I could go probably another

Starting point is 01:08:10 and keep it in your tie-per. I'm gonna keep it in tight and stop. Focus on the same. Yeah, and I'm gonna stop that movement with the triceps, get a little bit of an isometric pause and go back up and then you'll really feel it in your triceps. Last question is from Dut Dut.

Starting point is 01:08:27 What is your opinion on drop sets versus straight sets? Okay, so a drop set is when you, we'll use curls as an example. So I do curls with let's say 35 pound dumbbells. I do, let's say 10 reps and now it gets real hard. Maybe I could do one or two more, but I stop. Then I grab 30 pound dumbbells or 25 pound dumbbells. I do as Maze I can. Then I got a stop and I'll grab a 20 pound or 15 pound dumbbells. So a drop set, also known as a strip set, is when you do X amount of reps with a weight and immediately switch to a lighter weight to be

Starting point is 01:08:58 able to squeeze out more reps. And usually there's anywhere between two to five steps. You mean you could do what's called run the rack, which is a drop set where you're going from, you're going five pounds down and you're doing like six steps or whatever. It's a high intensity technique. It's a technique that's got value if used sparingly. Do not use these all the time, use them rarely,

Starting point is 01:09:19 and then it's got some value. Straight sets is nine, where your set should be 95% of time. And a straight set is you do your reps and your rest, and then you do reps and then your rest, your rest between one to three minutes. That's 95% of your workout should be straight sets. The problem is a lot of people

Starting point is 01:09:36 learn about these intensity type amplifiers, these drop sets and force reps and negatives and all stuff. And when you do them the first time, they feel amazing. You got a crazy pump and it's like, oh my God, it's amazing. And when you do them the first time, they feel amazing. You've got a crazy pump and it's like, oh my God, this is amazing. And then they do them all the time. This is a fast track towards overtraining, fast track towards halting your progress.

Starting point is 01:09:52 That was gonna be the point that I made, which is these are all great tools. Cluster sets, drop sets, pyramid sets, supersets, giant sets, and they're all different than your traditional straight sets. Straight sets I think should be a bulk of your training in your workout regimen, and then occasionally you use these tools, like all the ones I just listed, to intermittently interrupt your normal training.

Starting point is 01:10:16 But what happens to Sal's point again, I'm just going to piggyback off of it, is people do something like this, and by the way, this is not only understanding the science and speaking from that angle But also the experience of doing this wrong for so many years myself is you do that and you're like oh shit Oh, my arms blew up or oh my god that work That was the best chess work I have forever and then all of a sudden you marry that and you become that person who does that all the time So just be aware of that. It's a great way. Now, how do I, how do I intermittently do this today? The things that like, I think are faster, like intensity, they're intense because the rest pairs are short from, you know, when

Starting point is 01:10:54 you talk about clusters and drop sets, things like that, where you go boom, boom, boom, boom, with no rest. So I like to use it when I'm in a time crunch. It's like, I think that's the most valuable. I do too. I think it's like, so I know I shouldn't do it all the time. I know it's a valuable tool to interrupt my workouts. Once a month, or sometimes once every two or three months, there's a workout where I'm like, ah shit. I've only got 20 minutes today. I really wanted to get a good workout.

Starting point is 01:11:18 Oh, you know what? I haven't done cluster sets or drop sets for a, I'm drop set in shit today. And then now, I not only do I have this novel stimulus because I don't do it that often, but I also save time and get us a full great workout in. Yeah, you know what, you know what's a rule of thumb with these is count all those sets if you're trying to figure out

Starting point is 01:11:39 your volume. In other words, a mistake I used to make was, I would count one drop sets. It was one set. Because it was all one set, right? But reality, if I drop down four times, four sets. So if I'm replacing straight sets with drop sets, every time I drop, that's all a set. So if I do four drops, that's four sets towards my shoulder workout.

Starting point is 01:12:01 Which is why it's an incredible time saver. You know what I'm saying? You can literally take your basic straight set workout that takes you an hour and just say, Hey, today I'm in a time crunch, I haven't done this a long time and you make everything a drop set and you're gonna be done half the time.

Starting point is 01:12:14 I'm gonna drop straight, cluster strip it. There you go. Yeah, it's magic mic workout. What? Justin, did you ever do? Do you even know what any of these are? I'm just listening. I'm like, you guys are reminding like, I've done all of them, but I don't remember the names. There's no real.

Starting point is 01:12:29 I'm always sexy. Like, why are they only sexy names? Because you know why they make, so they, they do well for studies, right? So if someone, you put somebody in a, a six week study and show them, use cluster sets, you're going to see all this off the charts, like response, because it's because of the intensity, right? And it's unique and different, makes good for magazine, clip out article stuff. That's why. Okay. But for athletic purposes, I can't, I mean aside from maybe strength stamina, you might

Starting point is 01:12:54 give someone like isolated strength stamina in a particular muscle, but I think for sports, you'd see more valuable, more value for maybe combining two or three exercises and not doing the same exercise. Maybe it may be a compound lift like a squat, but really what are you gonna get? You're gonna get stamina out of it. It's more of a hypertrophy based tool. It's a bodybuilding. Yeah, it's more of a bodybuilding tool than it is. It's a sports performance tool for sure.

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