Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2116: How to Break Through a Deadlift Plateau, Ways to Maintain Progress When Circumstances Dramatically Cut Available Training Time, How to Judge if You Are Gaining Weight Too Quickly & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 12, 2023

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And the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. It's healthier to be fat and have muscle than it is to be skinny and not have muscle. Now I know this is a generalization, but it is true generally speaking, to be fat with muscle than it has to be skinny with no muscle.

Is this for Justin? Yeah, it is. I feel so validated. No. Actually, whatever. Did you see this guy? Did you see his new Facebook profile? I saw it, I was gonna, I was gonna,

I was gonna, I was gonna, I was gonna crop it and be like, there goes Justin again, put his face on my body, you know, I'm surprised you didn't comment. I did, I actually, I actually screenshot it, it cropped it and then never got around to post again, and then I heard you. Sorry, I had no one on my asshole friends, like, asked me if I was on trends. So, wow, thanks, that's a good compliment.

Right. But you can't win. Trendy hard dude, are you fat or you're so buff that you must be doing lots of drugs. Trend hard man, every day, you can. You can't plan a trend hard, yeah. No, I love that, I actually, I actually really like this tip, right? Because, and a couple of things. One, you know, you see sometimes these power lifters

that have these big bellies and people are like, oh, power lifters aren't healthy. Look at their big old beer guts that they have and stuff like that. And then you also have, you know, people that are, that carry extra body fat on them, just genetically seem to have a higher body fat percentage, but then can do really athletic things.

And so it's not as simple as like, oh, just because you look ripped or you looked fit that you're fit and healthy, you can actually carry your higher body fat percentage and still be much healthier than what we would call back in the days the skinny fat person. Yeah, so okay, so when I was doing research for the resistance training revolution, I was blown away by how protective muscle by itself was like they have studies on obese individuals who lost no weight during the study all they did was gain a little bit of muscle. And you saw significant improvements in things like insulin sensitivity because muscle is so metabolically active, it tends to balance out hormones, it improves insulin sensitivity,

it muscle is anti-inflammatory in the body. Now yes, body fat itself, by itself, is also a risk factor, but muscle's so protective that, and of course we're not talking the extremes. You brought the example of power lifters. People are like, oh, power lifters, that like of course there's extremes with sports. So power lifters tend to be on the extreme end as well. I'm talking generally speaking,

if you had two twins and one person had very little muscle but was also skinny, the other person had a lot of muscle that had higher than what would be considered normal body fat. The person with more muscle will probably be healthy. First of all, muscle is mobile. It improves mobility. It decreases inflammation.

Improves insulin sensitivity. Like little muscle is very unhealthy on the body. It just is. It causes lots of problems. The most unhealthy population are people with little muscle and lots of body fat. That's when it gets real bad. So what's my point with this is, you know, working out, getting fit and getting strong, even if you don't get leaner, although that contributes to getting leaner, you have significantly improved

your health just because you built some muscle. Well, this also like coincides and goes right along with our recommended advice a lot of times in seeking muscle building as you're, before even you're trying to lose weight. So you're trying to actually physically change your composition by adding more muscle to your biwitch. It's just more protective, have all those qualities you had mentioned.

But then long term is a better strategy on top of that for then getting-term is a better strategy on top of that for then getting leaner. Way better strategy. I mean, when you also go to, you're also not including the things that could adversely happen if you all sudden cut calories and boost activity. So, you know, it's crazy because I think I started doing that well before I fully understood the sign spot.

I just, through practice, I just realized it. I was like, wow, this seems to be a better strategy when I focus my clients on adding healthy foods, getting strong, lifting weights, and not being concerned about the scale, even when they come in and say, Adam, I need to lose 100 pounds. So I think this is the same thing.

I did the same thing, but it was for different reasons. So it's kind of like I stumbled upon it. I did it because when a client came to see me two or three days a week, I knew I could at least train them right. The diet part was always hard because I'm not around when you're eating, you know, seven days a week. So I would always tackle the weight loss later. Now, when I say, look, at least you're here now, I'm going to train you.

Let's just focus on getting stronger. Let's build some discipline and consistency there. And then we can look at diet. And little did I know that that was actually the best approach anyway. Because of course, more muscle speeds up the metabolism, improves your hormone profile, improves insulin sensitivity. It makes the weight loss easier.

It makes the fat loss easier, I should say. So much more of a catalyst for all those other beneficial effects. But mobility is a big one. People don't understand this. Like, especially as you age, muscle is what makes you mobile. It's what makes your body able to move. And as you get older, look, there's a lot of elderly people

who are skinny and have terrible mobility because they have no strength and no balance. Their health is not good at all, versus someone who's older who might be a little overweight. Of course, there's extremes here. So someone watches, like, well, yeah, if you're 500 pounds with muscle, that's not good.

Like, okay, relax, everybody. I'm not talking about the extremes that's speaking generally, but if you're, if you're, let's say, 20 pounds overweight, but you have muscle and mobility, you can move, you're strong. Of course, you're gonna be healthier. By the way, the blood markers

in the test, you'll at the doctor will show this. If you take somebody and you get them just to build a little muscle, you'll see these improvements. Typically, more improvements with a little bit of muscle gain than you will with a little more fat loss. So it's just something that nobody talks about that needs to be discussed.

Okay, so I'm super curious. We, you know, when we get in here, I look up at the TV screen, I can see the notes that each of us have put up there for Doug and a lot of times like all read and see, and I'm like, okay, I know it's Justin or I know that's coming from, Sal, a lot of times handles the partnerships

and sponsors that we have. And so I'll see like a snippet and I'm like, oh, I know where Sal is going. Okay, you've got Ned as fat loss. Like I'm so, I'm like, oh, I know where the hell is going. Okay. You've got net as fat loss. Like I'm so in, I'm so way to, yeah. I'm so intrigued by where you're going with this. Bro, we've talked about this before. There's this really weird paradoxical thing

that they keep finding in studies. So they find that people that consume or use marijuana on a semi-regular basis consistently in the studies that they do have lower BMI. Which is ironic if you're a weed smoker, like I have been, and you get the munchies and stuff. That's why it's paradoxical. That's why it's so crazy. Like, you would think that it would be the opposite, anybody who's, and that's one of the ways that I actually mitigate, well, like weight gain or body fat is like I reduce my weed consumption at night or post dinner

because I know that that causes me to eat and munch. So, and I'm familiar with a lot of these studies. I've always thought that's so weird. So, so people who are like, this is crazy. No, no, no, first of all, again, the studies are consistent on this. Animal studies show this. There's human studies that show this as well. It's paradoxical again because everybody knows that we,

your cannabis is supposed to make you eat more. So, see what the more you do. And be lazy. And be lazy. You're right. Want to move less? What the hell is going on? He's on you.

He's on you. Okay. This is how interesting the data is. Pharmaceutical companies, right now, right now, there are several pharmaceutical companies that have drugs in their pipeline, their development pipeline, that are cannabinoid-based. Okay, so cannabinoids are the class of molecules that THC falls under, CBD falls under, all of the cannabinoids found in the hemp plant, or the marijuana plant fall under. There are currently drugs, like I said, several pharmaceutical companies right now who are researching cannabinoid-based

drugs for weight loss and diabetes because they see the effects. Cannabinoids seem to, in many cases, improve insulin sensitivity. The CB1 receptor, which is one of the cannabinoid receptors, so there's two of them that we know of, the CB1 receptor affects metabolism, and the data is showing that it may speed up metabolism. In other words, activating this receptor may actually teach your body to burn more calories. So, and again, pharmaceutical companies don't pursue something unless it's because, I mean, you know how much money it costs to take a drug from conception to markets, like a billion dollars.

They don't pursue just anything. They don't do that. But they are because it's really weird. So Ned and Weight Loss, obviously, is kind of tongue in cheek because Ned is a hemp oil product that's got full spectrum cannabinoids. The data is very clear on things like inflammation, euphoria, sleep, those are things we know it works, but it is very interesting, and the reason why I'm bringing it up is we're probably gonna see, at some point in the future, weight loss type products

that are cannabinoid-based, because again, these studies keep coming out. So you said it's the CB1. CB1. So that's the main one they attribute it, like most of the fat loss too. They think because it does affect metabolism. Okay.

Activating it seems to speed up the metabolism, but the insulin sensitivity one is a big one. I know when I invested years ago, so this company isn't existing anymore, it got bought up, but GW, I think we're called GW pharmaceuticals. They are the ones they had a drug that was fast tracked for a form of epilepsy. That's what got them known.

Droveason Drone, I think it was called. This one, Charlotte's Web, that strain of high CBD cannabis became popular and it was grown in Colorado also. Yeah, I was gonna ask because of like the ratios and all that, like if they figured out, you know, the pairings of that, because there's also like CBC, CBN, and there's, like, if they figured out, you know, the pairings of that, because there's also like CBC, CBCN,

and there's other like variations. So THC has its own benefits, but it's the least, it's the one that's least likely to be used in medicine because of its psychotropic effects, right? So, like, you know, you wanna take something for inflammation, you don't wanna be high all the time. I mean, maybe you do, but most people don't.

But, you know, there's some benefits as a psychotropic effects. There could be maybe some therapeutic effects and stuff like that, but they want to find the ones that affect you that have subtle, you know, maybe, maybe just make you feel better, but really have effects on inflammation, insulin sensitivity, anti-cancer. Their anti-proliferative with cancer, cannabinoids have been shown. The first study, I remember at a spain showed that it was anti-cancer in brain cancer. They showed to be anti-cancer in liver cancer and other forms of cancer. So it's really interesting, but with weight and fat loss and insulin sensitivity, they're

pursuing it. They're looking at it. And again, the data keeps coming out and it's weird because I remember when the first one came out, something's wrong, this doesn't make sense. Like, why are pot smokers have a lower BMI? And they did another one. Uh oh, it's showing up again. Animals study are showing it. This doesn't, it's why it's paradoxical because they totally anticipated them to all be stigma that's around it. Now, I want to be clear. I don't, I think we all think that the science and the research

around this is fascinating, fun to talk about. I don't think that you would recommend this as a fat burner. Although it may come out this way, right? Now, because more and more things now are moving in this direction, and maybe it's not the best fat loss type of supplement, but we're-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub I don't know if it'll go that far to where they give it to everybody, but I think it'll be very commonly used because the endocannabinoid deficiency syndrome hasn't been identified, but it's been speculated that a lot of people aren't producing enough of their own natural endocannabinoids because of stress, because of gut issues, because of maybe toxins. Toxins. because of maybe toxins. And so when you produce less of your own endocannabinoids,

well, the effects may be more inflammation, gut issues. You may have issues with sleep, you may have issues with anxiety and mood. And so supplementing with like hemp oil, which isn't gonna get you high, you'll notice it, by the way, if you supplement with, if you take net, you'll feel it, you'll feel something, but you're not high. You're smoking. Relax, sort of calming.

Yeah, you should be like, wow, I kind of feel good. And you can tell, it's not like, do I feel something? Like, you can tell, you feel something. I think a lot of people who have, like, kind of just don't feel kind of good, they have inflammation. Their sleep is kind of crappy. Like, this is, it's effective for a lot of people. I have family members, okay? My dad, my mom, I have an aunt, my grandfather before he passed away, they were using Ned on a consistent basis. I get texts from my dad all the time.

I'm running low, you know, and he always offers the buy before some. You're not gonna get a dad buy on it. No, I give you something, but he used on a consistent basis. My dad's got, you know, he's got lots of arthritis and joint issues just from hard labor working since he was a child. Your dad's a savage, but oh yeah, I heard it. I heard it with a motorcycle crash story, and it just like blew my mind.

Oh, yeah, like overall white. Yeah, he just rolled his way through the whole thing. Yeah, and just because of his judo background and everything like knew how to kind of fall through, but just like Lou got thrown off his bike. 85 mile pro. That's so crazy. 85 mile per hour, almost like a crush. That's so crazy. And he's saying, it was like a year or two ago or so. Yeah, yeah, he broke his foot a little bit, but yeah, it's funny, because he tells a story to Justin,

and he goes, and I'm in the street, and I'm trying to get up, and people like, don't get up, he's like, I'm gonna get run over, I'm gonna get up, yeah, dude, we had an intervention. My siblings all went to my mom afterwards, to my mom's house.

And we're all, like, you can stop writing motorcycles. Yeah. You can stop writing motorcycles. Yeah. Were you in the thread when I was giving him what he was talking all sweet and appreciative of his parents and I chill over it? We're talking about my family to stop. I don't know.

I don't know if I saw that. Yeah, you didn't respond. So I don't know if you saw it. I forgot what it was. You were just talking about how appreciative you were of your parents and your family there. And I was making a comment about, oh, I was telling you,

like they were asking people, they wanted to pay for everything. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no, like what you've done is, you know, been so much for you. And I said, I took him to Hawaii. And I made a comment, I said, you tell him how much money you made

for the last 10 days while you were on vacation. And you're like, no, no, no, it's about this. Like my family has done so much. I could never repay them. And you were kind of like jabbing back at me when I was just like, you know, bragging to tell you to brag about how much we made. So you shit all over my point. And so I came back and said, well, I guess if I had your parents,

I would say that. Oh, I was like, wait, I was like I had your parents, I would say that. Oh. Oh. Sounds like that. Wait, sounds like we're. No, son, I just, gee, it's just like my favorite way to make you like shit. What a dude. He's the father. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. My feelings, my feelings, dude. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. It's all fair for a player. Yeah, you should, if we hung out a little more Justin, I guarantee you at some point,

my dad would have, he would have told you some strength story or something like that, and then he would have done something to show you. Yeah, I forgot about that, because I would want, I would put him to the test. I want to see his, he looks here naturally strong to me. He's in a lot of pain.

Yeah. He's older, he's a fraction of how he used to be with that, but still, and he doesn't, because he doesn't know He's older. He's a fraction of how he used to be with that, but still. And he doesn't, because he doesn't let weight or train. He's like, you could so see that your brother got his genetics. Like your brother has that same look.

They just have this kind of bill to them. They look like they can lift heavy things. Yet they don't lift heavy things. He's like, I told you like four years ago, my oldest thought I was making this shit up. And he told my dad. He's like,

yeah, dad tells me all these stories, he goes, I think he's making them up. And my dad has that, he's like it's really old, heavy, like solid wood, dining room chair or whatever. And my dad goes, I, can you pick it up from the legs on the bottom with your arm straight, on the floor?

I still think nobody could do that. My dad, he does it, he's like, what the fuck? I don't need you. Yeah, my grandpa was a could do that. My dad, he does it. He's like, what the fuck? I don't even need to do that. Yeah, my grapple was a lot like that. Same, same kind of cut cloth. Like he would do the same types of things where you'd like show me something where you would just like

crush, you know, like like, I was like a baseball or something, and you'd like just crushed it. And like he could do things like with his grip. Yeah. It was something about the grip back in the day. It was a lot more emphasized. Especially when you shook somebody's hand,

you basically break. I always used to shake his hand. It felt like he was breaking my bones. Well, you know, I wonder if that has to do anything with that, right? So we've talked before about the huge decline in grip strength in men. And it's one of the predictors

for testosterone level stuff like that, right? I wonder if there's like a, in addition to that, there's also less emphasis on that. Of course. Because you're right, the generation before the firm handshake and that was their bench press. You know what I mean? It kind of was.

Like the handshake and like the grip, like that. It was like the signal. Arm wrestling, arm wrestling was so popular when I was a kid. When I was a kid, the whole family, everybody, all them in the family arm wrestle. That was like a thing. You don't see that anymore. Well, look, listen,

if you do anything manual, anything hard, if your hands are weak, I don't care how strong your arms are, your back, it doesn't matter, you have to be able to hold it. And everything they did back then, working on your car back then. Well, that's, I mean, you would mess up your hands. He was the airplane mechanic in the Air Force.

So he was just like, all the way, he's cranking, yeah, and doing stuff with his fingers and, you know, so yeah, I got him real strong. Yeah, when my dad, you know, he would like put mud on the, because he did tile him, granite, marble, that stuff. He whole, I don't know what it's called.

It's got a handle and it's a, it's a flat metal square. And you put the mud on it. Scalp, scalpel, scalpel, scalpel, scalpel. But you hold it and then he has a trowel on the other hand, which is like another flat rectangular thing. So he has a big pile of mud. It's like half a bucket of mud he would put on this thing

and he'd take the trowel and he'd throw it on the wall and then spread it while holding it. Now when you're a kid and you see your dad doing this, it looks easy. Yeah, it looks easy. Yeah, it looks like. It's easy to take. Yeah, like nothing. I was, I don't know, 17 and I went to work with him.

I was helping him do a family member's house. And I look at him like that looks easy. I said, but you know, I'm old enough to know that's probably not easy. And he goes, you're trying it out. First of all, holding this thing was exhausting because it's heavy, wet, mud. And then like flipping it into this stuff.

Isometric, literally, which is like the whole time we're doing, it's funny we're bringing this up, cause I was put in, ever to sleep last night, and I was, I found myself like watching this YouTube video, it was just like at home, and it just kind of came across, and it was these two guys,

I don't know if it was from like Thailand or Philippines. And they literally like their whole YouTube is about they just make a huts and houses and mulls. And it was literally just out of the dirt. I see the dog the whole thing out. This amazing modern looking like steps all the way down to this pool that they made that a running river nearby that they put like bamboo poles to like come all the way down to do all the plumbing to basically like pump into the pool.

And then they had like the hut, they put like grass and everything for the top. It's like a time-lapse video. It's beautiful. And it's like, it was like, I was just sitting there. I'm such a pussy. I know you're so motivated because I know you've seen the price tag for what it's good.

Cost of you. Just like, I know how that came up bro, you're used to be like, how if I did this shit myself, what would it look like? What would it look like? Oh no, that's totally what that is. That's 100% why I came up. This is show, this is like, we're gonna write a checkered. Hard work looks like, you're gonna write a checkered.

We were just mesmerized. You're gonna show the workers try to build your pool Oh really look at these guys. Yeah, yeah, exactly You guys know these machines, they just like had like like a hoe and like some Big shovel and they mean happen you should DM them Hey guys fly them in Takey torches will do this. Oh my god. That's what I got.

I got stuck on that level. Whole was you got crazy videos, brother. Should they build it? It's a really suck you in watch. I bet you that's how you came across it though. I know you were. I know you were. Yeah, what did this myself?

Yeah. That's a little. You know, I got to give. Sal, you credit where it deserves right. Because I don't remember how long ago, and I don't remember if this was made in on air or not, but we talked about affirmative action. And you predicted, and it was quite a while ago. Again, I don't remember if we made it on the show or not, but I know you did say this that that's going to be gone.

It's only a matter of time before it's gone. And that's exactly what happened. Now, of course, there's some people that are up in arms about it and think it's crazy and ridiculous, but I wanted you to share your thoughts on it because it's something that you kind of foresaw a long time ago that it would that it would get thrown off. First off, California banned affirmative action in the 90s. In 90, I want wanna say 97 or 98. So we banned it a while ago and on vote, everybody voted like this is ridiculous.

So this is a case that went to the Supreme Court that's basically saying that these, in these colleges that receive any federal funding, which is all of them basically, even the private ones can't use race as a way to, you know, admit people or not admit people. First off, I'll say this literally, literally, people talk about racism, okay? It's one of the few remaining affirmative

action was one of the few literal in its legislation racist laws, meaning race is in the law or the legislation or the description is in there. The description itself, meaning if you're this race, this is your qualification, if you're this race, it's your qualification. In fact, I saw a chart that showed that if you were an Asian American, Oh yeah, I saw this. If you were an Asian and you scored better than 99%

of everybody else, you were less likely to get into a college than if you were African American and scored better than 40%. Yeah. Okay. Just to show the disparity based purely on race. Yeah. I think I'm so happy it got destroyed because first off,

people say it's not fair this and that. No, no. There are far better metrics if you're trying to help with opportunity than race. So you're going to tell with opportunity, then race. So you're gonna tell me somebody who's a certain color, regardless of where they grow up, regardless of their education,

how much money they have, whatever, that that is a better indicator than some certain other things. Like, I'm the son of poor immigrants. My parents were very poor. My dad went to second grade, so how far he went to college. Because I'm, quote unquote, considered white and I didn't go to college. I don't care. But if I did, I would be in a different category than somebody else because of my race. In Asian Americans, you can be an Asian immigrant, whatever, because Asians tend to perform so much higher in some of these tests,

they're because of the race gets scored. They have to score so much better when we get in. And that was the case. The case was that was discriminatory against Asian-Americans. Now, I brought this up not just to give you your credit, but also, I don't know if you heard the episode with the all-in guys.

They talked about this. And the part that I thought was most interesting was how this is going to potentially disrupt and change college applications all together. Meaning this is also going to be the first domino basically to really disrupt the way the recruit athletes and also legacy. Yeah, so here's why I disagreed with that. Neither one of those were protected under the Constitution. So meaning if you're a good athlete, you get recruited to a college.

You could have worse scores, but that let you in. Yeah. Because you're a high performing athlete. That's not protected. Now maybe it doesn't look good. Maybe they're going to get attacked because. Well, so that was the argument that Chamoth made was he and he spoke to like a Supreme Court judge who said that this is

going to set the table. It was a lawyer. Supreme Court lawyer. Was it a lawyer? I thought it was a judge. Yeah, yeah, I know 100%. Okay, so anyways, they made the case that this is going to set the table now for those lawsuits. For someone else, basically to say, now I'm being discriminated against.

Here you have this dumb kid who's getting into, just because he can dunk a basketball and I can't. You know what the irony of that is? Which is interesting, maybe a little controversial, but it's not just objective. So people saying, oh, this is gonna hurt in particular African Americans, if we don't use affirmative action.

Now let's eliminate athletic scholarships, which I think will disproportionately hurt also African Americans, because objectively, they tend to be more that compete at that level in many of these sports. So I don't know how you can hold both sides of that argument to be honest with you. Well, yeah, no, that's why it's gonna be really interesting

to see how this all shakes out. It sounds like it's going to disrupt how education is done completely with as far as admittance to school. Yeah, no, the legacy thing I kind of understand, which is like, I went there, so now you're more likely to get there. So are you pro that or not?

This is also why I wanna bring this stuff. I wanna hear you guys' opinion on that, because it turns out like alumni and like, I feel like I have probably like a controversial, like I feel like I like that, and I know a lot of people probably don't like that. And the reason why I like that is if I came from and I know a lot of people probably don't like that. And the reason why I like that is if I came from what I came from, I worked as hard as I could, I educated myself, I went to college, I got into Harvard, as hard as it would be.

Man, part of me, I would want that to be a little bit easier for my son because I killed myself to get there. And so I'm not so anti that as everybody else is, because everybody I'm sure would think that, oh, that's so unfair that your kid has a leverage. Well, he does, because I fucking sacrificed a lot for him to do that. I want him to have a little bit of leverage. So, and if it was truly a private school,

then I would think that would be fair. Now, where it becomes unfair, in my opinion, is that they're federally funded. Yeah, there isn't really. What I don't think is fair is that you have to pay taxes that go to helping my son get leveraged to get in that part is where I know the argument is that there's very few that are 100% privately funded.

The private colleges receive millions of dollars in federal funding. So when it goes like that, then the arguments can be made. The athletic one, look, you're a good basketball player, football player. You're bringing the college money. Like you're a valuable asset. That makes sense to me or what like, okay, whatever. It's also a talent, by the way, it's not just the color. You're not born. It's not like color your skin. Where you just walk in or you But again, again, that goes goes back that goes for me. I agree with that too if it's private and you're not taking federal funds but if you're

taking federal funds how's that fair to my son just because your son's my my your son's gonna be more athletic than my son the way it's going. Sure. Right. So so my so but my son maybe ends up being smarter right and but your son gets to get into Harvard and I have to pay tax dollars to help him out because he can dunk a basketball and my son gets a better test scores in years.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I can see an argument for that, but it's not the same category as purely based off of her. Oh, I agree with that too. But I think that's why the lawyer was making that case, was like this is like the first domino to make the rest of those fall because it's gonna be really easy to make a legal case

against the athletes and the ladies in the legacy students. It would be the federal funding aspect of it that I could see being iffy, but race is protected. You know, it is protected. And it is literally racist to say, oh, your scores this, but your Asian or but your white or but your whatever or your Hispanic or your black, therefore we can adjust the scores and do all this other stuff.

By the way, people who are like, oh, people of this color or people in this category don't they tend to suffer for more of this other stuff. If you want to use a better metric use, like did they grow up with money without money? That could not make sense. Yeah, also money? Economics. Yeah, also. I doubt it. Yeah, single parent household. Like that makes more sense to me and I can get that.

And then the other part is like, you wanna talk about disparity. Forget the higher education. That's bullshit. Don't look at that. Look at public elementary, public junior high and public high school. You know that was the first time

Jason Calcana said something on the show that I like 100% agree with. I thought his opinion on the way that we should solve education and not only is the voucher direction, and make schools competitive, but also if you wanna address disparity, you gotta do it from kindergarten. Yeah, it's good.

kindergarten up is where it begins. And if you're not giving, I mean, it's crazy. I'm so intrigued by this conversation too, because Katrina and I were just talking about this. Like, I didn't start any sort of formal school until I was five. My son's been in school since two. And like watching him, like right now,

and right now one of the things that we do at the dinner table, we do a lot of these math problems and tracing and alphabet stuff. And I'm thinking, dude, I've been doing this with my son at three years old and four years old before he even gets to his, like he's gonna have such an advantage compared to what I had.

And I struggled in school. School didn't come easy to me. And I think that that is a major advantage more than anything else is the ability to be able to educate at a young age and get them started. Look, if you ever wanna see a gross disparity, the kind that you're like, how is this even possible? Go to public schools, go to public schools in an inner city,

go to one in a wealthy suburb. It is the biggest disparity you've ever seen. They're all publicly funded. No, no, no option. It's insane. And the biggest disparity you've ever seen. They're all publicly funded. No, they're option. It's insane. And the problem is you have no choice. You live in this neighborhood, that's the school your kid goes to,

whether you like it or not. And it's all the biggest clearing problem. And it's all publicly funded. Do you know how much a public school in California gets per student, per school year, on average? Yeah. Like $16,000 a month. Excuse me, a year, a school year.

Imagine if you gave that voucher to the parents. So they could decide. Yeah. on average, like $16,000 a month, excuse me, a year, a school year. Imagine if you gave that voucher to the parents. So they could decide. And then pick the school, you know, pick the school your kid goes to. And then the school has to accept it, because it's whatever, it makes it much more, that makes it much more fair.

But basing things off of race, that's, I mean, that's the literal definition of racism. So I'm glad it ended, and it's so funny to me, how people position it as being racist by ending affirmative action. Uh, it's interesting. Those people tend to be the racist ones because what they're literally saying is, if you are this color, not if you grew up in this area, not if you didn't have two parents, not

if you, if your dad or mom was incarcerated or you grew up poor, not any of that. If you're just this race, then we need to lower the standards to let you in. Those are the real racist people. Not the people who are saying you gotta be, you let in based off of your scores. And if we consider anything, consider your individual life and what happened there.

Not just the color of your skin. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad it ended. You guys wanna talk about Title IX and trends? No. Why is that? I didn't know if we wanna keep going. This I'm glad it ended. You guys want to talk about title nine and trans or no. I didn't know if we want to keep going. This is a really big duck. I'm sure.

Controversial train. Bro, I just, I just, we did, I just waited. Wait, didn't that, didn't that, uh, girl actually just go through court? By the way, I don't know if he's so, didn't, uh, the girl who refused to play, I think that's the one, right? Is that what's going on?

She got, she got, when all the way to court, didn't, are you familiar with this? I don't know where it's at, right? So I was half joking. Yeah, no, oh you were I thought you were serious That's why you were like a looting to that. No, I mean I wanted to know if you guys had heard any like development So you remember the girl that I can't wish I'm hoping my producers can save me right here because I can't I want to make Sure my factor straight on like I don't think it's been heard yet, but I think what college what college she went to and she was the one who refused to play in the news. It was a swimming right?

Yeah, track was a track. So I don't think that I think they're swimming or volleyball. Yeah, that's what I thought it was, but I mean, I know that court case just happened. So I was actually looking to ask one of you, hoping one of you guys said that, followed it. Cause I know I had multiple times. Your mic is not plugged in Andrew. I don't know why it's not. That's all right.

So it's already happened multiple times or you're saying different court cases. I see like two or three cases where women are choosing not to run. I can't find the case about it being 34. So, okay, so it's interesting you said that. I literally retweeted this insane article, insane article. It's just so crazy that we're discussing this.

Someone wrote an article and said the same, the same people who tried to oppress women are the ones trying to keep trans women from competing or something like that. It's still the patriarchy and it's's still a oppression of women or whatever. I think this is so crazy to me. Again, like I said with the affirmative action, the real sexist people are the people who are saying

that trans women should be able to compete with biological women. There's no differences, whatever. Let them not acknowledge you, give you the differences. It's in the advantage of biology. It's so crazy to me that they're doing that because it's gonna destroy women's work. Well, it's crazy to me that,

like this, even a discussion like this, you can't have it without being attacked in somebody called you transphobic. It's like, wait, we can't have an intelligent conversation around the biology and science advantage that this person has versus another person and just discuss, is this the best approach to it? Like, because I'm not necessarily saying,

I know the answer to like, how we solve this. I think I have some better ideas than what we're doing, but I definitely don't know all the answers, but just to have that conversation, you get thrown in a category of being transphobic because you're discussing it. I think that's ridiculous. Well, it's just make believe if you're just going to dismiss the fact that, you know,

there's differences. There are characteristics, biological characteristics that, you know, are completely different. We have to be able to stick with the actual science and biology in order to make decisions on what's fair and what's not. That's what sports is. And you can't have a conversation about that. Yeah, look, it's so crazy. We even have to look, you can't erase the differences simply by changing your hormones. You just can't.

If you're, you put me, you shut my testosterone off. You put me on estrogen. Yes, things are gonna change. Yes, I'm gonna lose muscle. I'm gonna lose strength. I'm gonna lose bone density. But not enough to make it so that if it like I was born a woman. Now, people always like to use this example of like, oh, there's a woman that could squat 500 pounds

stronger than you, and there's guys that can barely, you know, do a single push up, but no, no, no, those are only extremes. Outline. But generally speaking, it's not just testosterone that makes men stronger. There's other things that also make a stronger and faster in that kind of stuff. Well, the way to squash that argument too, is you don't compare the strongest deadlifting woman to us.

You compare her to the strongest deadlifting man. And when you, and the strongest, the fastest, everything, when you compare the sexes like that, it's not even close, It's not fair at all. So, no. And what it does is it shuts, I mean, the reason why there were categories to begin with is so women could compete. So they could get scholarships. And they're going to race on to elevate women to have a person. By the way, you don't see this argument, you don't see this argument with trans men. I know. I know. You don't see a bunch of dudes who are like,

I'm not competing because there's a trans guy. They don't do that well because they get their asses kicked. That just, I mean, there may be an outlier here in there, but they just lose. So the fallout is happening, right? We're seeing these core cases. Andrew says it's already been several of them. It's only gonna get crazier and worse.

What's the outcome? What happens? What do you guys think? I think eventually they're gonna have to to, they're going to have to separate categories. Yeah, there has to be a different way to allow competition, obviously, but it can't be integrated. Like there needs to be separate categories. I mean, is it that or do you just have to compete in your original sex? I don't think they're gonna do that because you do lose performance.

I mean, you do, but that's by your choice. That's your choice. You're choice. I mean, I feel like that's the only option until there's enough to actually create a leak. You think there's actually a big enough for trans women basketball, trans basketball? Like I don't see enough to actually create a league to create, and that's why they can't do it that way.

So they've got to go somewhere right now. That's kind of where, why we're where we are. So to me, yeah, exactly. I think that's where we made the mistake was thinking that, oh, this is the best place, you know, to put them is where they are, what they identify as now, but I think the more fair way to place them is what you originally were.

You know, and people need to understand this because the threat from a lot of this, how they're pushing it, and what I mean by pushing is like the same sports and this other stuff is to women. It's not really to guys. Like, you know, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like vice versa, we tend to be stronger, more aggressive. We commit more of the violent crimes.

And people who deny, like, oh, the threat thing, like that's the real reality. So it's the women that I do feel threatened. I feel throats is to protect people. Well, that's the threat feeling, right? I don't feel threatened. I could go into women's bathroom, I'm not gonna feel weird.

Women going to men's bathroom should might feel a little, but oftentimes feel a little weird threatened, right? If I walk down the street, if I go down to men's bathroom, you might feel a little, but oftentimes feel a little weird threatened, right? If I walk down the street, if I go down to Dark Alley, and I see a group of five women sitting down by the street drinking beer, I'm gonna walk by them,

I'm not gonna feel threatened. Most women are gonna feel maybe some threat or some fear, right, rightly so. Like, there's some statistics there, that back that up. Sports, those categories exist. Not to protect men, men didn't create the category to be like we don't want women competing us against us because We're gonna you know, we need our own category. It was for women

so a lot of this is is It's women that are feeling some of the stuff and so and look rightly so we got to have a real conversation You know, and it's not transphobic and other stuff It's just no I really yeah live and let live. But at the same time, we're talking about like sports and the integrity of the sport. And I just think that it does need to be discussed. You know, speaking of men committing violent crimes on women, did I tell you what happened to my sister? What? Yeah, my sister Cassie. What happened? It's just happened when we were all in vacation. She in fact, it was the day before I see a freak,

the shit out of me, right? So we're all getting ready to get, we're at the house at the trucky house. I'm getting ready to get in the truck, Katrina, I mean in the baby. And my sister calls. And my sister never calls me. She knows like text me first.

Like, you know, what are you doing? And so that and then like she'll call. So just to directly call me, I looked at, oh, that's weird. I'm gonna better answer it, right? Even though I was like in the middle of like loading the truck. so I picked it up. And she's hysterically crying.

And she's like catching her breath. And she's just like, this guy tried to kill me. What? Is what she starts her fucking sense of. I fucking right. I like, tell Patrick, get back to the car. I'm like, where are you? Where are you?

I'm coming right where and she's trying to catch her breath. And I'm like, what happened? What's going on? Where are you at? Who's by you? And she catches her breath. And she tells me that this guy tried to run her off the road. Literally, like a road rage thing. Bro, destroy the side of her car. Run her off. He actually hit her car. Oh, bro, slammed her car. What? She was freaked out. Did she get his license? Everything. No, none of that didn't get a description license, nothing. So she was, she was wedged between like a semi and another vehicle that was driving really slow. And the guy behind her was like aggressively riding her ass

and like coming up, trying to push her forward so that she break checked him. And after she break checked him, this dude comes over on the side, comes up, gases it, gets alongside her and fucking, wham! Slams her off the road, dude. Wow. Yeah, scared the shit out of her.

The shit out of me, man, she started it with this. Someone's trying to kill me. Oh my god, my heart's aching. Now does she live, she lives in Nevada. Yeah. Does she have a firearm, does she carry? Cause I know the law of that. So she does have a firearm.

And at that moment, I didn't ask her if she had her gun on her. And I mean, the guy, that would be that would be legal defense, right? Because that's a that's deadly weapon a car. That's right. So she could have. So Tom got there. Her husband got there to make sure that when they filed the report that it wasn't an accident, it was a assault with a dead.

Yeah. And assault with a deadly weapon. Like that's what they were trying to do. Um, and so it did get filed as that, but I mean, there was no, there's, I mean, the guy got away. I mean, there's see, he hit her and it took off. Yeah, I didn't tell you guys that. I was so, oh my god.

You just made me think of that with like men acting out in violence. So that's why, so I tell, I actually have this, uh, a while ago, I know where you're going to go. I had a conversation with my daughter. Yeah. And I said, you may feel emboldened at some point to flip a guy off, get in his face, maybe slap a guy, and lots of guys won't do anything back,

but there's occasional piece of shit that may, and you can get very hurt. So I told her I said, don't ever do anything and not consider that there may be a violent response from a man. I mean, the exact thought that's a one through my, I mean, obviously my sister is hysterical in that moment. The last thing I'm going to do is, yeah, and he told him, yeah, yeah, scold her. And his response was not, she didn't deserve it.

Right, right, right. 100%. But I mean, it really was like that away. I mean, I'm careful of that, you know, even being a male that I know can do some damage. You just never know what someone's caring and then you also have to consider this. When somebody is driving like that and has that kind of road rage, so with that, you have no idea what happened there, you have no idea if they're in fucking mode.

They're in, fuck the world. The kinetic brain. They can have a, I mean, we've all had a day like this before where you are, you've crossed the line of what your limit is and you're going like the next look for a reason. You're looking. I'm looking for the next motherfucker to cross the line with me. Right. And it's going to be his worst day because I've already had mine and I'm looking for a reason

to get all this rage out. And if someone's already acting that way on the road, there's actually probably a high percentage. That person is in that state of mind already. So risking flirting with that when you're not protected or you're not with more people is boys that really dangerous. I, you know, I had it, I remember years ago when I was dating my ex-wife, this was a long time ago, she flipped off the guy that cut us off and I had a conversation

with her and I said, listen, I said, when you do that, you're basically saying my boyfriend's going to fight you because you know what the other guys would do. So you asked me before you do something like that because it ain't going to be you, that's going to, you know, have to trade hands with somebody, it's going to be me. You got to think of that when you do that kind of stuff. But yeah, I've had this conversation a couple of times with my daughter, said, don't ever, don't ever think that a guy's not gonna do something back to you just cause he's a guy.

A lot of guys won't. There's an experience. You're in a one that will. But there's always that asshole out there. There's always that piece of shit that'll do something and then you're gonna get hurt. So, you know, I'll be very careful. Anyway.

I saw one of you had the recession notes up there and stuff and I was curious to let what you've been paying attention to like with what's going on on the economy the housing market is that you sell no it isn't but from I have been kind of hearing that it seems like it's Reversing yeah seems like things are coming out. That's what I think is yet So you that but then also you have this this looming what might happen with some of these loans, the Airbnb fallout, have you read what's happening? 50% drop of Airbnb. Yeah, so there's a lot of people

that used to play the arbitrage game on Airbnb, which is basically where you rent from somebody else and then rent your Airbnb out. Yeah, you Airbnb out. Or, so there's that part of it that's having a massive fall. Then there's the other part of there I think they're called DSCR DCS are I'm probably at the acronym wrong types of loans

Which basically you do not have to show income on like the old like kind of old loans where you just prove that at the income and Because Airbnb was blowing up in the last four or five years I could go get this property and say random area where, or let's use our example of Park City, what we have, and I could go, hey, this rents this at night, time 70% occupancy over the years, not. So I'll be cash-filing this much, and then they would approve loans, even if that person only made 40 grand a year on how much the potentially could make on the market. That's right.

And those are falling out because of the decline in the Airbnb. So they're not. What are the rules with that in terms of like, if you catch somebody, let's say you're the owner of the house and like they're listing it on Airbnb and like getting rent. I don't know what the ramifications are. But it's illegal to do that without approval. So but you can't be legal. So it is if you approve it.

So yeah, yeah. So like our buddy Lawrence, I remember was, was doing the arbitrage thing a couple years ago over here in a property. But he worked to deal out. Like he literally told the rent, the owner who wanted to rent it. I'll pay you the rent. Yeah, so I'll pay the rent, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna short term lease this. Well, that makes sense if they're transparent with it. But like, imagine if you're like the owner of the house and you live in a major listings there

Bro, I bet that happens all right. I wonder about that. I bet that happens a lot more than you hear about I'm sure that happens. I mean, we know as as homeowners and or landlords like you know It's not like you're checking up on every one of your properties all the time And if you're collecting rent every month, there's no reason to go. Yeah, if you're, I mean, we have a company, I don't know if you guys know this, one of our Oklahoma properties that is rented to us,

does that. So they do arbitrage, that's their business, is they rent from us, we get the stable income for us of the rent, but they turn around and they actually have a business that specializes in finding like engineers and companies that are businesses that have a lot of employees that... They go rent it, yes.

And then they rent, they rent by the room to like that company. And if you're a landlord, you're like, sure, you're paying me. Yeah, we don't care. I mean, for us, as long as the agreement on the price per month was cash flowing for ours that we're more in the long term game, not about cash flow for us. So it was like, hey, it's no brainer. We're cash flowing a few hundred dollars a month on that property. They can go try it.

They can risk trying to make thousands of dollars, as long as we get our stable, our cream on top. Yeah, our stable monthly. That also brings up though why That that was like one of our headaches when we first rented out they try to they had a hard time Running it out right away Yeah, so for like three months they were losing money because they were in a contract with us to pay and they tried to pull some shady Shit with us like over the you know the

Corner lot and there wasn't a fence there and people driving over it Oh, this you know we couldn't get the internet guy to find the address because it was going to be. Oh, they were. They're in and I remember because Jerry manages this for us, right? And so I remember those days when Adam was super mad. I'm so making those those are chasing back. I was super heated about that because I'm getting it from Jerry going like, Hey, they're trying to sue us over this.

I'm like, what? I'm like, this thing is possible. And then I like, I do a little bit of digging. Oh, okay. I know why. They're doing the whole thing that game. Yeah, they're playing that game because they lost a bunch of money in the first few months. Their whole business is built off of leveraging

that they can rent it out for more. If they lose three months of rent on us, they can already chalk up the whole year and not being profitable even if they were down. So they do the nitpick game. Yeah, cover this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I'm like, oh, okay, I see what's going on. And Adam don't call it. Adam's the wrong guy to do that with you. Yeah, so, hey, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a left turn. I think I brought this up on a past episode. I told you guys that was considering ketamine therapy. Did I get to take a test?

Yeah, you did. So can I ask you how the therapy's going? Where are you at with that? Sorry. Well, I think I'm gonna pursue ketamine therapy. Oh. So ketamine guess? Yeah, you did. So can I ask you how the therapy's going? Where are you at with that? Sorry. I think I'm going to pursue ketamine therapy. So ketamine therapy's approved. FDA approved. This is done with doctors and therapists.

It's all legit. And so I'm diving in deep before I sign up for this and see what it's all about. Fuck. This is remarkable. It's remarkable the how much ketamine improves neuroplasticity. Literally, they could see it. They could see the dent rights that come off the neuron in a stressed brain are short under ketamine, they grow.

And you have like this period of time after one session, it's like a week long where your brain is hyperplastic and you can influence changes, actual physical changes in the brain during that period of time. And so the way that it's organized, this is an eight week period, once a week you do the therapy, under the influence of ketamine. And I was talking to this individual about its effectiveness, and she's, she, she, she, just, she administers it and does it. And I said, so how effective is this? And she goes, she goes, I have people who are severe trauma, like we're talking about, like severe, severe,

like think about the worst case scenario abuse and that kind of stuff. She goes, and after eight weeks, it's like, they're a completely different person. She's like, it's like years of therapy. Like this short years of therapy. You know, like this short period of time. Now, is your super-excrasive exciting? So, I mean, I've been hearing tons of stuff about that

and we've talked already about MDMA and psilocybin and stuff like that. Now, are you abandoning the other therapy or have you already abandoned that? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, no, you want to, I'm going to keep doing all of it. Have you done more since we've talked last? A little bit, but then we're on vacation. Yeah, we'll like vacation. Oh, you mean the EMDR? Yeah, thank you.

EMDR. Because I, I've actually, I don't know if you've seen, we've had several people that have, they've asked me about your updates on how that's going because you've been sharing that with us. Yeah, I've done a couple of them. One of the sessions was so impactful that it really did change how I viewed certain things in childhood, like in a fundamental way, one session. So it was pretty remarkable.

I'm excited to experience what therapy under the influence of this, they call it psychotropic, so it's not a psychedelic, right? Ketamine, psychotropic of what that's going to be like. The research on it is fascinating and remarkable. You know that, you guys know that, by the way, the reason why FDA is approving these now is because of all these continual wars that we've been in, such a high percentage of suicide

among soldiers because of, you know what the leading cause of death of American service people in And suicide, suicide. Yeah. More of them die in suicide than in war. So the government is like, we, and they see the data and they're like, all right, let's look at this because this is not, this is not working out well for us. Is it, is it getting too personal to ask you what, what shifted fundamental? Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, God damn you. Sorry.

I'm just so fast. I'm so fast. I tell you off air in therapy. So I just leave all the listeners. But so he's still having then great. I guess the takeaway though is still having great breakthrough. I mean, you know, still been incredible. Yeah, I mean, our generation stigmatized. I think a lot of, you know, kind of therapy and that kind of stuff. I, the way I look at it, and I stigmatized it myself to be quite honest, but the way I look at it is, if your growth minded,

then being able to self-reflect with an expert or person who understands how to do that with you, you're just gonna grow faster. Yeah, yeah. So you wanna be a better person than, my motivation is I'm a father, I'm a husband, I wanna really be a good, especially a good father. So I'm like, all right, and I know ain't perfect

by any stretch of the imagination. So like, It's such a super hack because even if you're somebody who's into reading self-help, right, and you are growth-minded, you still have your own bias. And you have a lens that you see things through. You don't know what you don't know. That's bias, the narrative they've already written about you. So, I mean, and that's not to knock self-help or knock being personal growth on your own, because I think either you can make a lot of headway

just in that alone, right? I think you can have a lot of breakthroughs, but there still is this filter that you look through because of how you were raised and just having an outside non-biased person help you reflect on that is paramount. The benefit of that is tremendous. But again, with these substances, what they're finding is, because emotions, especially strong emotions,

strengthen thought patterns. Okay, so if you had a scary thing happen to you, or like a lot of people don't necessarily have like a big trauma, but they have what are called little traumas, right? So it's like, well, I didn't know these crazy things happened to me, but I was kind of neglected throughout most of my life. Or there was a lot of, you know,

it was kind of tumultuous when I was a kid or whatever. Those things can, when you think about them and really address them and talk about them, invoke those strong emotions. And you can't really process through it because of strong emotions, just strengthen that same behavior. So what these substances do, like ketamine, ketamine is a disassociative. So let's say something really bad happened to you, you get a car accident, you almost die, you try to think about a process it,

all it does is bring up those emotions, even though intellectually you could process it, those emotions still strengthen that visceral response that stays with you. So now every time you get in a car, for example, you get scared or you feel anxious or whatever, with, for example, ketamine, it disassociates you from that.

So now I don't get that, ugh, that feeling, you get like mentally refrained, but you can't like change what you feel. You can emotionally reframe. Now I can visit this scary thing and I don't get the same reaction and I've created a new pathway. And then I can strengthen that pathway

through, you know, repeat therapy. Now how is that? It's all different than still a side because that's actually one of the ways that I was, we were just, we had this conversation with one of our best friends, then they're married couple of good friends, go back, way back, and we were expressing like we've utilized psilocybin for these, and I described it with that exact way. So how are they different? Are they similar in that way?

They're similar in what they're showing in the studies, but they're different, they're different substances. Right, they're very different substances. Yeah, so, but they're similar. Like the psilocybin studies that blow me away are the end of life ones, which are crazy. So people who are terminal, like you go to the doctor, doctor's like, you're going to die in two months or three months, like depression, anxiety, obviously skyrocket. They did a study with people who are terminal, who did psilocybin therapy. I don't remember what the percent, it was crazy number.

It was like 80, I thought it was almost 90%. It was crazy. It was like a vast majority. It was like 80 or 90% of them felt at peace. Yeah. So you're gonna die in two months. Imagine how you'd feel.

And my God, my wife, my kids, my family, my business, what do I do? What's it like? They came out of therapy at peace. How crazy is that? Nobody's ever been to show that with that type of stuff, except for maybe like really powerful religious experiences,

which is what people are kind of equating it to. So, anyway, the research is going to be, the research on it's pretty amazing. So, I suggest speaking of research, I want to bring this up because this continues to come up with people in protein quality and stuff like that. And I know this, we've hammered this home, but I wanna say this, if a majority of your protein

is not from animal sources, you're gonna need more protein to do the same thing as the animal sources, okay? So if you're a vegan or a vegetarian, you hear us talking about, you know, 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight is optimal. You're probably going to need more like 1.2 of plant protein to equal the same benefits and studies just support this. So protein powders can be very valuable for a lot of people. If you're

a vegan, you probably need a lot. You probably need a lot of vegan protein powders to get those benefits of protein. Now, is that because it's single-y sourced or like, what about things like organify where they use a blend of different things? Better than single-sourced plant proteins. Still though, the assimilation of IO availability is still better with animal sources. But yeah, so organify is a good example. If you're a vegan or you don't eat a lot of animal sources of protein,

and you want to supplement with a vegan protein, organifies a great one, and have two, three servings a day. Really boost your protein up with it to get those protein benefits. Yeah, it does. The beautiful part about that is that like my digestive system can handle two or three servings of organified, or I can't handle two or three servings of organified.

Yeah, me too. Or I can't handle two or three servings of the way. Same here, same here. For a lot of people, it seems to be easier to digest. Oh, hey, so I have a good shout out for us today. Okay. And it's a good friend of ours. And I was blown away the first time.

And then now, I think episode three that I've seen them in. And that's our buddy Robert Oberos on righteous gems. He's in the righteous gems though, dude. That's so cool. He is a gem in it. Yeah, he's like got a role, dude. Like, legit. Has lines. Good for him.

Yeah, I was like so bored. Like, cause I had seen like he did a post a while back when maybe he was doing some filming. Yeah, I'd seen him hanging out with the other actors. Yeah, and I thought, oh, maybe he's just had some friends on the set or maybe he's got, he's, you know, an extra because he's his big massive physique so they found a way to make him like a cool extra

or what about that. And no, dude, he's got like legit role. Yeah. Super excited for him. He's a great guy. You should follow him on his pee. If you don't follow that guy. He's a world-strongest man competitor.

He's a giant. He's also super nice guy. Fun. Great dude. So we guys made me a world strongest man competitor. He's a giant. He's also super nice guy fun Great dude. We guys made me feel like a little baby. He picked you up. Mary you guys are you pick me up through me in the pool Yeah, we almost like slam my head. I still have that picture. I'll share that with Andrew for the By the way, we created a map strong with Robert Obers because he's a world strongest man competitor And we wanted to bring him to get like a strong a real strong man biggest man competitor and we wanted to bring him to get like a real strong man perspective on how to program that work.

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Legion.com. That's B.Y. L.E.G. I.O.N. dot com for such mind pump users could mind pump and get yourself a discount All right back to the show First caller is Noah from Maryland. What's up Noah, how can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. I know now's usually when people tell you how much they love the show, so I'll skip that. But I love you guys, I love listening,

I love your programs. I'm 29 years old, I've got about a 15 year training background and I started listening to the show. I liked it. We're in a handful of programs back to back to back. And I've gotten as strong muscular lean as I have in that time and most injury free. So thank you all for that. Can I give you a quick compliment with a little bit of detail about split because I feel like it doesn't get enough love? Yeah, sure. All right, I don't want to give away any secret sauce, but I really like the way it's the

double split and it mixes a little bit of bilateral barbell work for each. And then comes back around unilateral and the most split stance on the second time around for each push pull legs in the week. I just think that's really cool. Yeah, part of the programming. Yep, thank you. Yep, absolutely. Anyway, I just went through a phase of training a little bit like a maniac. I had a ton of free time on my ends. I just finished PT school, passed my board exam and started up my own first job as a physical therapist yesterday actually. Congrats. And yeah thank you. And so in that downtime I kind of took it as an opportunity to really push myself. I had all

free time in the world right before I'm about to have none of the three times in the world. And I'm worried that I had great results, progressed towards all my goals, but I'm worried that I got myself in a trap of doing that with a lot of increased volume and intensity. And if you guys have any tips for ways to not regress, now that I'm going to have to pull back on the amount of time that I'm spending in the gym and focused on my fitness goals. Yeah, well, so there's a myth that I believe for a long time in when it comes to fitness and it goes something like this, like whatever you do to get in shape, you have to keep doing the stay in shape. That's actually false. It's actually false. The amount of volume and intensity and frequency that someone may need to build muscle

or progress is much more than the amount that that person would need to do to maintain. So you could probably cut, and this is the data supports this, okay? It supports 1 seventh. Yeah, I mean, you could go, wait out. You could cut your volume in half and you're not going to lose anything You might lose a little bit of stamina and endurance Because that that might suffer from the reduced volume, but in terms of strength muscle how you look You're not going to lose anything if anything Knowing what I know about fitness fanatics knowing what I know about human behavior

You may actually progress by cutting your volume down in half, all things being equal. So I wouldn't worry about it. I would just follow a program that has less volume, less training, one that fits your schedule, and then that's it. And you're probably gonna be, not only you're gonna be fine,

you might actually do better. I ideally knowing what you're about to head into because I do know how rigorous the schedule can be for a PT. I'd have MAPS and Ebola, like in maps 15 in my arsenal. And I think scaling back to maps and a ball, like, is going to do a body good, probably feel good, but if it gets to a point where even three full hour workouts in a gym becomes too hectic for you or too much on your crazy schedule, then maps 15 is a great default to that.

Or toggling back and forth between when you have crazy loads, you kind of do more of a Maps 15 type of routine. When you have weeks or stretches, when you have less of a load, you can get after Maps and a ball up. But I think having those two at your disposal will probably be two of the best programs

to have in your arsenal. If you don't have those already, do you have those? I have the in-bolic enough 15. All right, we'll hook you up with 15, so you got 15 now too. What is your workout schedule look like now, and what do you think it's gonna look like in terms of time? So I can, what it did look like right at the end is I really ramped up,

but the most I could equate it to it will most be like peaking for a bodybuilding show, which I wasn't doing, but it was like that kind of level of spending time. I was spending a few hours in the gym, getting home, making myself some food, walking after I, doing some chores around the house, trying to keep moving and eat again,

and then walk again, and that was pretty much my day. So there wasn't a whole lot of anything else going on, but I had nothing else going on. Now, my schedule with physical therapy, I'll be doing two 10 to 8 shifts and two seven to three shifts. So I'm trying to figure out if I'll do mornings on some days, evenings on other days, or maybe take some rest during the week and pick up the weekend days instead. You're fine.

Maps at a ball like, you know what? If you didn't tell me anything about your new schedule, I was still telling you to do Maps at a ball. Because what you were doing before was probably too much. You got away with it because you recovered. But I bet going back to maps in a ball, you're probably going to see progress. You're probably going to build muscle and strength.

So I would do that. That's three days a week. That's three days a week in the gym. Yeah, and as I mentioned in my question, what I did before was intended only to be a very short-term push and then get away from it. I will never do that long-term. I did have one thing to add.

I've heard you guys talk about how you don't need to train as much to maintain strength and muscle in a specific back slide. I was worried about is actually putting on body fat because I got myself used to staying lean through using a ton of movement which I know is a trap and now I'm worried about continuing to hit protein but dropping my calories so that I don't lose the muscle which I know I can keep but not being in a calorie surplus

when my activity is so much lower. Do you know how much you were hitting calorie wise during this time of like super high activity? Based on the times that I tracked before, I was probably around 200 grams of protein and probably 3000 calories or so and I was building strength and dropping fat in that time. You know it'll probably happen. Is I would say don't change your diet. Yeah, I would go map center, ball, like on your days off, just keep track, try to pay attention to how much you walk. So maybe do a few walks a day, 15 minute walks.

And what'll probably happen is you'll probably feel more muscle growth. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, I don't think you're too high a cow. I would have said if you were like 4,000, I'd say, I just dropped your calories five to 600 calories while you're at 3,000 calories. And you were getting leaner and building muscle. Yeah.

You're probably going to just build more. Yeah. Yeah, that was in a cut intentionally. Okay. Oh, it was. I would keep it the same then. Yeah, I wouldn't change it. Yeah, you're going to be fine.

Yeah, I think you're going to just fine, man. All right. Yeah, I wouldn't change it. Yeah, you'd be fine. Yeah, I think you could just find them. All right, well, thank you guys. Oh, can I have a quick question about bands? Yeah, yeah. So I was considering looking into bands just for future use, nothing now, but does that require any gym equipment on top of bands or is it like even things to anchor to

or like would they be around a barbell that I'm pressing, or is it just pure band work? Yeah, purely, yeah, pure band work, but ideally you'd have like a pull-up bar, or we also use like a bench, a treadknot to like incorporate a bench, so there's ways around it, but those would be the only two items like in addition to just having a band

Okay, yeah, thanks very much and Justin. Thank you for all your hypertrophy and fat lesson, but Thanks for your question I'm here for you bro All right, thank you all so one last thing When I started listening I wanted to tell you this. Probably the hardest I've last, last last year. So was your story about going into

the woods with a milk jug and a barbell swatting to go to school in XV? Yeah. True story. Yeah. You did fun stuff. I don't know. His pillow fights was the funniest for me I like the cheating outside All right, no, thank you, but hey, we'll send that out. We'll send that math 15 or two you brother

All right, thank you. You got it man. Yeah, that's this a hard one for people to believe That they can do less this is for fitness when I. God, I didn't know that. I know. And you know what's fun, I still, even for me, like I literally, so if I'm training and I'm pushing volume, I'll do between 16 to 20 sets per body part per week total, okay. I recently dropped everything down to nine sets, so that's pretty significant drop, that's like half,

and what do you think's happening, progressinging, like every time, you know? So it's usually that you're overdoing it and doing less will probably get you better results, but at the worst doing less maintains. Not to mention, I don't remember recall what the group in that study that referred to the one seventh to maintain with their training experiences,

but I would speculate that as that compound, so do the results and the ease of being able to maintain. Meaning, when you get someone like him who's been training for 15 years, consistently like that, or like us, 20 plus years, it just gets even easier to maintain. So, if I were to have stopped or fell off when I was 21, I had made minimal gains, well, there's not a lot to maintain because I haven't gained a lot

because I had just started. But as you progress through years and add more and more training volume, add more and more muscle to maintain that becomes easier and easier. So a guy like this, I think he's going to be surprised when he reduces down to like a Maps Antiball program. He'll probably stay just as fit or maybe even get fitter by doing that. Definitely is stronger. I could guarantee. Yep. Next caller is Alicia from Ohio.

Hey, Alicia, how can we help you? Hi, guys. I just wanted to say thank you for having me on here. I've been listening to you guys since I started even touching weights. So like you've helped me throughout my journey of Not even doing anything to now why I'm here. Awesome So I'll give you a little background. I've been doing your guys's powerlifting program. I've ran through it twice now So I've been powerlifting for about

2 and a half years training for about three years in that direction. The first time I ran it, my squat went up tremendously, like 15 pounds, bench went up. It was great. Deadlift did not change at all. And then the second time I ran it, I was doing like a bulk through both of these phases back and back. So within that bulk, I like gained like 10 pounds and everything weight wise. But my deadlift didn't increase. I couldn't even pull my one rep when I tested it just now. And then my squat went up like five pounds and then Ben still goes up five pounds. But my basic question is with that and being more experienced in everything. Is there a way I can modify your guys' power lift program to gear it towards increasing the squat and deadlift

and kind of breaking through that platform co or anything like that? Let's talk about where you're at right now first. Where you at, where you at in those three lifts. So bench is about 240 right now? Whoa, wait, 240? You can bench 240? Yes. Oh, no way. Well, I already have an idea. What's going on anyway?

Yeah, you go into. You go. I just number. Yeah. We wrote these programs to effectively. Oh, right. What's the next one? What are you doing? What are you squatting? Uh, squats. They're not as impressive as the bench. They're only like three 30s. What I hit. Jesus Christ. Okay. That's good with your deadlift is stuck at like 309 310 maybe if I'm pulling like good, but like when I just tested I couldn't I couldn't even lift like 295 off ground, so how I wear the great numbers. How old are you? What? I'm 27. And you've been powerlifting just for a few years?

Yes. Do you remember what you lifted when you first started? When I very first started ever touching away, just the bar would bruise my back. That was about four years ago. So here's where it's killing it. This is when it gets, this is when stuff gets fun, but also potentially frustrating, okay. It's fun because your legitimately stronger

than 99% of the women in the world, okay. Those are numbers that I, I mean, I trained a lot of clients, I never had a female client that could lift that much, except for like super high level competitive. It's a bench. Yeah, like that's insane. Your bench press in particular, I don't think I've ever seen a woman bench.

No, that's... Did I frame in that round back? You should check out like, gin pumps and... Yeah, I know. I know that there's people there. But my point is, you should not actually check it out. You should not. Exactly.

You're talking about a one in a million person, maybe one in 10 million. My point is, you're really strong. You've gotten to such a high level that it's really hard. Everything's incremental now. It's really hard to progress From here. So okay, so you follow maps power left. This is the second or third time through Second time and then do you do anything in between? Normally I take like a week off of rest Okay symmetry. Do you have a specific competition coming up

or something you're training for? I do have something coming up in November, November 15th. Oh, that's true. So I'm hoping to get one more cycle in before then. Okay, so here's the sticking point oftentimes for people at your level. Has to do with imbalances, technique, mobility. You tend to improve some of that with someone like you

and you start to see some power output improvements or increases. Like a unilateral training, would probably benefit you really well. Now, during that period of time, you're not gonna be lifting you as much as you normally do. And then when you go back to bilateral, You might initially find that your strength is lower But then because you've corrected certain imbalances and improved your symmetry right from left to right then you'll see that you'll surpass

Some of your old lifts. I think you you that would probably do you really well Yeah, I'd love to see her run symmetry right now and then go back to power lift Yeah, the problem is time though. I don't know if she has enough time for that. Okay, we have, we're in, what are we in June? We're in June. Okay. In July, August, September, October, November. So you could technically go symmetry right now.

And then when she goes to the five by five instead of going to the five by five in symmetry, go right into power. So skip the last phase of symmetry. Yep. And then get back into power left. Okay. Yeah. Where do you now, let me ask you this. Obviously, you're strong. You've been doing this for a little while. Where do you feel the sticking points are for you? And do you feel pain anywhere? Like when you deadlift a lot, do you notice any issues? I have had some like lower back pain, but that was started like a year ago. So I've been turning the core mostly to like help that and kind of stabilize that.

And I've adjusted my technique in order like I don't feel out anymore. Okay. But that was like previously. And then it's just like getting it right off the ground is kind of like you pull sumo. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I of like you pull sumo okay yeah yeah it's thinking point for sumo usually you said you've you've experimented with deficit deadlifts a bit yes so this previous time when I did the first phase I

did deficits with like just a smaller like 25 pound ones that you see like at the commercial gym. That was like about how much of a deficit I did and then I just kept loading those up for those for the first phase into like about halfway through power lift. You can also do pause. So where you get, you take a weight that you can lift,

lift it two or three inches off the floor, pause for four or five seconds, and then finish the lift. So you're pausing about two inches or two to four inches or two to six inches off the floor, and then so you have to go lighter, much lighter to do that. But that'll help build the strength intention in that lower part of the rep. But I mean, single leg deadlifts and Bulgarian squats. I mean, are going to be fantastic for you just for like strengthening, stabilizing around your hips and everything else. And it's just, that's one of those things that I think a lot of powerlifters don't really consider.

And then if you spend enough time there really strengthening that and then go back, it's gonna be, hopefully it's gonna be a mind blowing thing. That would be my recipe with you going forward would be to interrupt after every, like let's say you do a meet, then right after a meet, I would run symmetry and then go back to power. And then I would run symmetry and go back to power. Let the run symmetry, that would be like a good formula. You can even do maps for formats.

You know, that's another program that might benefit you because you're at the level now where your limiting factor is not, it has more to do with like these small imbalances or your body protecting itself because you're lifting a lot of weight. So if there's a little bit of instability and your body senses it, you're losing power, you're losing strength, you're gonna prevent yourself. Now, a lot of power lifters use, they try to push past it.

This is when they start to get injured. Yeah. And you're in injury territory. I don't mean in the sense of your technique is off, but you're so strong that if your form is off a little bit, like if your form was off a little bit and you were squatting 100 pounds, it's not that big of a deal. I mean, you're squatting 300 pounds as a female. If your technique is off a little bit, the risk of injury goes up quite a bit. Magnify it. Yeah, so we're going to send you map symmetry. Don't do the last phase. Just follow follow the first few phases and then when you get to the last phase switch back to mass power lift

And I'd love to hear back from you. Oh, yeah, I'd love to hear back from me and how you feel and how it all worked out for you Of course, that would be awesome. Thank you guys. No, and you're crushing it. Yeah, that's super impressive. Yeah, good job Oh, my goal is to get to nationals and my Federation. So I have a while to go because my weight class there are literally like 500. Wow. For like that's very, very top. But it's like for like 400 would be the getting

me there. That's incredible. I guess there's some ways to go. And you're young, you know, top. You're young, like power lifters peak in the mid-30s, you know, sometimes 40s. I mean, you go, you're there's there's a lot of strength left in, oh, we're watching a video of you squat more weight than Adam. That's incredible. That's amazing. Yeah, good job. Yeah, great job. Thanks for calling. Thank you. You got it. Represent, huh?

Yeah, I'm glad to. Thank you. You know, I didn't realize? Yeah, I'm glad to. Thank you. You know, I didn't realize this. I'm so glad to ask you for me. This is something I didn't realize. I didn't realize that with all these people buying our programs, we're literally making everyone stronger than us. Like seriously though.

I don't think she's never touched weights. I don't think I've ever had a female bench over 230. I don't think I've ever had a female bench. I. I don't think I've ever had a female bench. I'm trying to think if I even had a female bench, like 225, yeah, two plates. I haven't seen that. No, honestly, it's for like, I mean, obviously, the competitors do it.

They're out. We're talking about like a real world. Yeah we've all trained and seen in the gym. You just, those are incredible numbers. It's squatting over 300. Yeah. It's unbelievably impressive. Yeah, I mean, when you get to a really high level, the higher the level you get, the stronger you get, the harder it is to continue progress.

And little small changes make a big difference when you're at that level. Well, especially when, okay, so like, and you know this too, it's like, when you're like very PR focused, you know, you've been training for a long time, you've been super consistent, you're squeezing out every last bit, and then you like,

sleep was good, sleep was good, nutrition was good, programming was perfect, boom, you hit a PR. Boy, it's hard just to replicate that. That's right. It's hard to even come back. And that's why she's feeling that. She's like, oh, man, I was just pulling 295. Like even though she's done 309,

well, yeah, that's because you got all the stars to align to hit this PR. And just to replicate that is very difficult to do. Much less, you know, exceed that. And so, yeah, no, she's at a frustrating place, but an amazing place. I think you're so impressive. I think if high level power lifters all did like at least 30 days, but probably more like 60 days a year. Okay. Just 30 to 60 days a year to break it up. Of unilateral training, they would all see such so much better results.

All right. Next caller is Nicole from Florida. Hi Nicole. How can we help you? Hi, how are you? Good? Okay, so first off, I think you all are awesome. I listen to you every single day when I walk my dogs around my neighborhood. And I Love the fact that you are starting to at least the podcast I've listened to are more geared towards women Which I think in every podcast I've heard, you don't have a whole lot of women followers. And so being a woman, and I've been in the fitness industry for 12, 13 years,

and I have constantly been trying to build muscle, but there's only so much you can find out there to help do that. So I guess my main question is, is there a way to build more muscle as a woman to get more past that what woman don't like that bulky face? Yeah, that's a good question. So this is really about the kind of the mental psychological blocks that you may have with the size thing growing, right? The best thing that I've ever done, well, there's two things that I did to communicate this very well. By the way, I read in your

question that you're a trainer and a coach yourself. So I'm assuming you're asking this question to help you coach other people, is that, is that what this question is for? I mean, I'm not one of those trainers that walk around and say I know everything. I believe fitness is always evolving. I'm always learning. I'm open to learning. I don't know everything.

So yes, it's more knowledge for myself and for my clients. But I mean, I get the typical. I train a lot of women and a lot of them come to me and say I don't want to look bulky. Yeah, yeah. That's still very and a lot of them come to me and say, I don't want to look bulky. Yeah. Yeah. That's still very common. One of the most important skills that you can have as a trainer or a coach is your

ability to sell your ideas to your clients. Okay. And so what does that mean? Right. So like obviously you have the answers as the experts. Someone hires you. They want to get more fit. They want to lose weight.

You have the answers, or at least you, they want to get more fit, they want to lose weight. You have the answers, or at least you have more of the answers than they do, the challenge is getting them to to follow them, to trust you, to follow the process, to trust the process, because it doesn't happen overnight. So how you communicate what you're trying to get them to do is everything. It really is, you have to sell them on the idea that they need to eat more calories. You need to sell them on the idea that they need to lift heavy weight and do compound lifts and avoid excessive cardio and all that stuff, right?

So the most effective ways that I was able to do this was one, focus on the metabolism boosting effects of muscle building, okay? Because what I'm doing essentially is telling the person, it'll be easier for them to be lean, okay? Cause a lot of female clients, that's their number one. They just want to get lean,

they don't want to be, they don't want to have a lot of body fat. But you're telling me I need to eat more calories and lift heavy weight, like what does that have to do with body fat, right? So I sell the metabolism boosting effects. That's what I focus on. And then the second thing I focus on is their strength, how strong they are on the gym.

And we just celebrate that strength. Now why is that Now why is that second part so effective for women? Well, a lot of people don't know, especially men don't realize, just how disempowered a woman can feel when trying to do certain things in everyday life, lift a heavy luggage or move some boxes. And all of a sudden, when a woman who's never lifted weights before starts to get stronger,

she finds that she could do these things that were really hard for her to do before and it feels very empowering. It's an amazing feeling. I can't tell you how many times I had female clients tell me getting stronger made them feel more empowered and secure in their own bodies. So that's it. I would focus on boosting the metabolism and feeling strong, the feeling of being stronger and celebrate that. And if you do those two things,

then usually you can move them along. Now, if they mention that they feel bigger, that they feel tighter, then you gotta defer back to the metabolism boosting, defer back to getting stronger. And let them know this is part of the process as we speak at the metabolism, it can be so much easier for you to be lean,

you'll be able to eat more calories, maintain a lean body fat percentage. So this is the process. I also think that there's, this is where I find a lot of value in the, the kind of the picture that I like to do. I like to have my clients take this like front side, back shot, first thing on Fridays, every Friday morning.

And I always tell them, you know, give me, give me like these one month shots of just trusting the process of I know what I'm doing and I'm going to take you to the place you want to go. And what they see is like they compare their getting bigger to their, you know, their thighs filling out in their genes and their genes are getting too tight or they're the shirt they used to wear and other arms are filling out. And they write right away think that they're getting bigger or putting fat on. But what is happening is we have you in a calorie surplus.

So you're filling out your muscle belly's more. Let's take a look at the picture that we took before we started this process and then let's take a look at the picture that we did 30 days. And yeah, your genes are fitting tired but look at the shape of your butt and your legs. You're a better.

Yeah, we're sculpting your physique right now. I can't sculpt your physique if we're always in a calorie deficit. I need those calories to help build you the physique that you're telling me that you want, but that's a process. And part of that process is us first building the muscle and building the metabolism and then doing what's out saying afterwards, then I'll reduce calories and cut you and then reveal all the hard work that we've done. And a lot of times when I have that so far, like, I get understand that for clients, but when it comes down to like myself, I'm probably in that 5% of women that actually want that

bulkier, bigger build. Like I have hit kind of hit that plateau and want to move past that. Oh, let's go calories. Yeah, calories. Yeah. Calories. Yeah, calories. Yeah, bumper calories. Yeah. And is there like a standstill to women how much they can potentially build?

Of course, sure. Of course. How long have you been lifting weights or strength training for Nicole? So I started lifting when I was 18. I did my first NPC competition when I was 20. I was in between three years of bodybuilding. I was in figure and then took it to powerlifting

and that's kind of where I found my love and what I really noticed my body responded well to. So combining those two both, I noticed that during my books, which typically I do more of many books than these big calories, so I just find that it works better for me. And of course, living in Florida, we're in bathing suits a lot longer, so feeling comfortable being out in a bathing suit and not feeling that fluffiness. I just feel like I've hit that plateau and can't get past. So maybe it is more, I need to go on a longer bulk or more calories. Yeah, I hear a couple things there, right? So

one, yes, I mean, you're advanced, right? You've been lifting consistently. I mean, you've competed at the whole level. Yeah, you've competed. you've also done powerlifting. So you're definitely starting to squeeze a lot out. The other thing I hear is maybe you really start to get a little fluffy and then you go reverse back out is because psychologically to the point of being in a bikini and not feeling comfortable getting a little fluffy. What body fat percentage do you stop that at or wait?

Or wait, do you know what your body fat percentage and you go? I mean, I kind of go based off of like my floor scale. I haven't done like the calibers, but I kind of know where my baseline is with that. I kind of stopped around the 28 to 29 area. And then I also try to focus more on my strength too in the gym. Like once I haven't, like once I notice my strength has stopped, that's when I start to say, okay, I need to now start to cut back down. I mean, you have dieted at the competitive level,

so you as well as almost anybody that understands how to get shredded, how to do that. I may play with a little bit, like if you were my client, I'd probably stretch you a bit and go, let's see if we can put a little bit more weight. Let's not worry about exactly what the scale saying. Let's push your bulk a little longer. Let's increase the calories a little more. Knowing that you have the tools, you know what it takes to get shredded if you have to. So if you

say you give yourself on the scale to 30 or 32 or your weight, five pounds more than you normally would, allow yourself to do that, see how your body responds in the gym. Maybe that's all it needed was that extra additional calories for a longer period of time to start to see strengths go back up and stuff like that. Knowing that we can always come back down. So I would probably push you in that direction, try and do that. Also, how, I mean, you're a trainer. Sometimes we forget to ask this sometimes because we just default that coaches are programming. No, what they're doing. Do you follow maps? Have you followed our programs? I'm just one. I did the power, it was the power lift. Okay. So that might be other recommendation

is because we're all guilty of this that we do. We do. We do. We default to the training programs that we like or we kind of follow the similar stuff. So you knowing your own tendencies as far as how you kind of train yourself and program, maybe look at our programs and go like, you know, like maybe a map strong, which is really unique and different. It's different performance, I think, would be totally different from what it sounds

like you've been doing previous to this. I'll say maps in a bulk advanced. You're the perfect person for MAP's endabolic advanced. That, I think, is going to squeeze out some more muscle out of your body. But now back to what they're saying, you're at a point, you're at your advanced, okay? You're at a very high level.

You've been training for a long time. The best way for you to continue down this path now is to start to just enjoy the workouts and enjoy different types of fitness. So training through segments of mobility, through strong man type exercises, again, back through powerlifting or bodybuilding, because each of those things is going to take your body to another level and you're going to learn more things about exercise and different

workouts. Yeah, you look awesome. We pulled up your, we pulled up a page. Yeah, yeah, we just pulled up your page so we can get an idea of where we're at, too. Yeah, you look awesome. No way. We pulled up your, we pulled up your page. Yeah, yeah, we just pulled up your page so we can get an idea of where we're at too. Yeah, you are, you're definitely. You're at a very high level. Yes.

Okay, maps and a ball of advanced, maps and a ball of advanced was designed for someone like you. Yeah, okay. Yeah, do you look for a better place? I'm gonna send you maps and a ball of advanced, follow that, and I, you're probably gonna squeeze out a little bit more muscle at your body.

I use that during like my bulk phase. Yes, yes, go into calories surplus, follow maps and a bulk advanced, and then get back to us. Let us know how it happened. Yeah, you're three to 500 calories. Yes, yeah. Yeah, what's your maintenance? I said about 21, 22.

Okay, yeah, I'd say, yeah, bring it up to 26 or so, 2600 calories. Okay. Yeah, that would be good goals. You get your calories up higher than that. For the amount of muscle mass you have on you, and it's good. Yeah, you got great delts and arms. Yeah, it looks phenomenal.

I'm very trapped. Everybody, all the guys always ask me, what do you do for your traps? I'm like, I don't do anything. They're just genetic. Yeah. Yeah, no, you have a great physique. I mean, if you were my client slash friend or without that, my only thing would be like,

hey, just also recognize like how phenomenal shape you're in and don't get obsessed about always chasing like the next level or what, I think that's important in your journey too, because I think you look absolutely phenomenal right now and we are just trying to squeeze out the last bit of everything with you here. Yeah.

How are you shooting for the stars? Yeah, no, no. No, follow maps in a block advance and then get back to us. Yeah, I would really curious. Yeah, I do. All right. All right. All right, cool.

Thank you. Yeah. It's another look. There's another person. Like, you get to a certain level. This is exactly like the powerlifting girl only on the aesthetic world. Yeah. Like, she has reached a peak performance.

I'm glad we look at the pictures too, because it's like it's so hard to tell when you really have these zoom calls. Like you want to- Just the face. Yeah. I mean, here's again, to add on what I was saying to her is like, if she's a friend of mine, this is where I'm starting to tell her to like, okay, like, I mean, what are your like lifelong goals?

Right. Because if you can just, you know, stay close to this shape for the rest of your life, I mean, you are, you're killing it. At this point, when you're at that point, that level of training, that consistent, you really have to shift the way, and I hate to say this because it's people don't like it when I say this, but you got to shift the way from training, hit goals all the time. Yes. You just have to, now it's okay to throw them in there, but make them different, right? Like now she would be great to like focus on mobility.

Yeah, I also become this mobility or picking exercises. She never, you know, she never focused. Yeah, become good at Turkish kiddo. Yeah, let me get good at it. Yes, but but really move away from being so goal focused. She's not going to stop. You're never going to stop working out. Obviously, she loves it. Move away from being so goal focused and just love the work that is focused. Yeah, and love the different facets of fitness because that'll take you to the end. That will take you to the very end.

So otherwise, you're gonna end up hitting the wall because you can't constantly, you cannot progress forever. You're just impossible. She got to fly these other programs. It would be great for her to just experience different outfits. Totally use of fitness and not get so obsessed

with body composition. Totally. She has fitness and not get so obsessed with body composition. Totally. She has a kid too. Looks like it. Yeah, she's winning. Next question is Chad from British Columbia. Chad, what's happening? How can we help you?

Hey guys, this is pretty cool right now. Thanks for having me on. I just wanted to start by saying thanks for all the content you guys put out. You got it. I've gained so much knowledge from listening to you, like fitness wise, but other areas in life like being a dad so it's pretty cool. So I just wanted to start by giving you a little bit of a background about myself. I thought that would better frame the question. So back in 2017 I was diagnosed with a benign brain tumor that impacted my hormones and my testosterone levels at that time were like really low, like around 100.

So under doctor supervision, I started to take Androgyle and then finally about a time in January 2019, that was in the normal range. Last year, my wife and I started, like one, start having kids. So we tried to wean me off the testosterone, but in this January, we found out I couldn't make my own testosterone anymore. So it was back down to zero this January. At that point, my doctor put me on HCG. So now my levels are higher than normal, so like 1200, 1300 ranged, and those have been my level since. I've been weightlifting

for around like 10 years now, but I don't feel like I've made 10 years worth of progress like prior to this year. Last November, just to switch things up, I took up running and was running three times a week and strength training three times a week. Back in 2019, I was at peak weight of around 225 pounds and I didn't really like the 45% of jobs at probably around 30%. So the next year, I cut down to all the way down 177 pounds. And I would say I was around 12%. Body fat, I'm not sure, just guessing. It was pretty brutal. And then this January, just slowly gaining weight

over the past few years, I was around 193. So I cut down to 187 pounds by March. But I was eating like 1800 calories a day and running three times a week. And I was listening to you guys too. So I knew that probably was an ideal. So in March, I started to see an online coach with the goal of increasing my metabolism, having my body fat percentage around like 13 to 15 and being able to increase my strength. So he got me started eating like 31 hundred calories

in March, which is a really big jump for me. And then now three months later, I weigh 206 pounds, but I'm put on quite a bit of strength in that time too. So finally, to my question, did I gain weight too fast in that three months, like around like 19 pounds in three months? Or is like 19 pounds and three months. Or is it possible that like my higher than normal testosterone cause most of that to be muscle and based on my goal, should I decrease the number of calories I'm eating or increase

or keeping the same. Chad, in that period of time, your body fat percentage only went up one and a half percent. Yeah, it's phenomenal. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, yeah. No, no. A quarter of those like in body machines and the things. One to two.

One to two pounds a week. And the fact too that you're on TRT. So you get to know that when there's a big difference when somebody is on TRT versus natural because your body is primed to build muscle basically 24-7, which everybody else is kind of this ebb and flow of peaks and valleys. Yeah, but it's more than that. It's more than that, Chad, because you didn't go from normal to HCG, because, okay, so you got your numbers up to your total, right?

I don't know what your free testosterone is, but you got it up to 1200. Well, if you were, you know, at 800 and you went up to 1200, yeah, you'd notice a little bit, not a big deal, but you went, you know, at 800 and you went up to 1200, yeah, you'd notice a little bit, not a big deal, but you went from zero to 1200. Okay, so it's like, it's like when the government, like when we did those, we did the lockdowns, and then after the lockdowns, I was like, look at all these jobs that we had.

It's like, those are the ones that we lost because the lockdowns was not the same. Like we're just, we're just coming back to where we were. So the amount of muscle you gained is is because you were at such a deficit to begin with. Okay, so you fueled yourself with more calories, you got your testosterone in the upper levels, versus you were probably eating too little and you had no testosterone. So that's and your body and you already know the answer to this, you tested your body fat, you only went up one and a half percent.

Yeah. It's not too fast. And your question is to stay or cut or what I thought, I mean, this is, I stay there. Yeah, I stay right where you're at. I think where you're, or even slowly increase. I mean, if I can, if I can increase calories and only put on, you know, as significant as you did,

and only put on a percent of body fat every two to three months. I mean, you're doing great. You're doing great. So I keep it right where it's at. And you're in a place right now, 3100 calories, 14 to 50, I mean, this is like optimal health right here. You're just australian levels in a healthy place. Your body fat percentage is in a healthy place.

If you like where you're waiting, how you feel is and your calories, I mean, everything is in a really good place, now it really is, I mean, what do you want to do? I mean, what's your your your primary goal? And then we would adjust eating and training accordingly. Right. Yeah. So I would say my primary goal is just to, I think keep increasing strength, but not get like too high of a body fat percentage because I've always been scared of gaining weight and I think that's why I was really scared when I saw that 20 pounds in in three months because I've kind of heard like the max you should be gaining a month is like two pounds. No, you're a muscle

bro. You test your body fat and everything you're fine. Yeah, and remember the point I was making for Sal and Reptome was just that you're you're. You're primed to build muscle when you're taking TRT. That's one of the perks of it is that you are primed to build muscle. So most of those additional calories are going to get applied over to building muscle for you. As long as you don't over like and 3,100 calories for your size, that's a good amount of calories, but it's still you could still you probably have room. Probably have room to get up to 3 3500 calories and be totally okay. So I would keep, I would keep slowly moving in that direction

until I get to a place where it's like, this is a lot of food. I don't want to, I don't want to eat anymore. Forget the fact that I want to continue to gain more muscle or not. It's like, this is just so much calories for me to handle. That's, that's, are you following a maps program? No, I'm not currently. How many days a week you're working out? Do you work out the game?

The coach has to be on four days a week. Four days a week? Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna send you maps and a ball. Follow maps and a ball, like do the three day week version, do the trigger sessions on the off days. Keep your calories the same or bump them a little bit, you're gonna gain more muscle.

Oh, that's, that's amazing here. Thanks guys. Yeah, you got them, you're gonna gain more muscle. Oh, that's amazing here, thanks guys. Yeah, you got it, man. Absolutely. Hey, did you guys, you guys trying to have a baby pregnant yet or are you still working on it? Well, I don't have, I got my testosterone at a good level, but my sperm hasn't started to come back yet.

That takes a bit longer. Okay, so. Does your doctor have you continually to take HCG as they should? Yes. Yeah, I'm on that for now. Yeah, I don't think they'll take me take HCG as they should? Yes. Okay. Yeah. I'm on that for now.

Yeah. I don't think they'll take me off. Yeah, they shouldn't. I mean, so I got Katrina pregnant while being on TRT and the doctor has just kept me on, I was on HCG at the same time. So you should be able to get that kicked back up. I'm not a doctor. I heard that kegels also.

All right, Chad. So we'll send you a map, send a ball. Okay, follow that. Oh, thanks so much, guys. You send a ball, okay, follow that. Oh, thanks so much guys. You got a man. You two, man. You got a man. Go get a pregnant, do it right now.

Right now. Let's not try. All right. Yeah, I mean, he tested his body fat. So it's like, listen, yeah, it's only, it's only too fast if you gain a body fat. He's just in a ball. Great.

Yeah, man. And I had to make that point. I had to make that point. I had to make that point out of him because, because, you know, you're right. That's a fact or two. Yeah, it would be like, it would be like if one of us got sick, lost 10, 15 pounds of lean body mass,

then got healthy and then we're done. Well, and by you explaining that, it also explains for him what potentially might happen in the next two, three months, which is he doesn't build as much. Correct. So he may experience that where he goes now three months and now he only add, say, two or three pounds or five pounds.

Which would still be great, which is still exactly phenomenal. It just means that you had a lot to make up initially. He made most of that up. But I mean, this is also one of the nice perks of TRT is that you are at, you are at like prime build muscle mode, which is not how it works. Most people bad night of sleep, you know, a little bit of overtraining, little stress from the drop.

Yeah, testosterone drops, and then that puts you in a less advantageous place to build muscle when you're taking it synthetically, it's your prime. By the way, study just came out, showed that TRT, because the worry is, is it contribute to more problems with the heart,

whatever, no, nothing, no, no negatives. And that, by the way, if you're listening to this and you don't know, or you suspect you may have hormone issues, go to mphorimomes.com, we have partners there. And this is what they specialize in, their doctors, and they can test your hormones, they also work with peptides. Don't do this on your own, or don't just guess,

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