Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2118: The Pros & Cons of Working Out Barefoot, How to Add Sled Work to Your Workouts, Important Considerations When Training People Over 70 & More

Episode Date: July 14, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  2118: The Pros & Cons of Working Out Barefoot, How to Add Sled Work to Your Workouts, Important Considerations When Training People Over 70 & More Mind Pump Fit Tip: Prioritize your sleep to improve all aspects of your life. (2:08) Knight Kap review from Kreatures of Habit. (12:13) Fire alarms are annoying. (14:38) Children need to expend energy and play outside. (22:11) Pay attention to how people make you feel. (29:57) The political circus. (41:31) Creatine is a HEALTH supplement. (51:11) Conspiracy Corner with Mind Pump: Shape Shifters and Buzz Aldrin. (56:50) Shout out to Russell Dickerson. (1:03:37) #Quah question #1 - What are the pros and cons of working out barefoot, especially for the lower body? (1:05:54)  #Quah question #2 - You guys have been consistently positive about sled work. What is the best way to add it to something like Maps Anabolic? (1:14:42) #Quah question #3 - Why doesn't MAPS Prime Pro include knees? Is it because most 'knee issues' are hip and ankle issues? Are you considering adding knees to the program in the future? (1:18:48) #Quah question #4 - What is the number one thing to keep in mind when training seniors 70+ who have never weight trained before? (1:21:17) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Eight Sleep for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! **Save $150 on the Pod Cover.** Visit Kreatures of Habit: Meal One for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MP25 at checkout** July Promotion: MAPS Starter | MAPS Starter Bundle 50% off! **Code JULY50 at checkout** The Wonder Weeks App BabySparks – A development expert in your pocket "This guy was really a menace": Hunter Biden driving at 172 mph while smoking crack photos go viral, spark outrage  Presidential Approval Highs & Lows Is Creatine an Effective Supplement? - Mind Pump Blog TRANSCEND your goals! Telehealth Provider • Physician Directed GET YOUR PERSONALIZED TREATMENT PLAN!  Hormone Replacement Therapy, Cognitive Function, Sleep & Fatigue, Athletic Performance and MORE. Their online process and medical experts make it simple to find out what’s right for you. Born to Run: A Hidden Tribe, Superathletes, and the Greatest Race the World Has Never Seen MAPS Cardio Mind Pump #2117: Fix Your Knee Pain Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Michael Churnow (@michaelchernow) Instagram Russell Dickerson (@russelled) Instagram  

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Reduce cravings. Improve your hormone profile. Give you a more positive mood. And probably just make you a better person. The kicker is you do this thing every day anyway, all you got to do is do it better. You ready? Have better sleep. Put some focus on your sleep. Have a sleep routine, sleep in a room that is effective for sleep Basically prioritize your sleep and all those things I mentioned will improve even if you don't change your diet your workout or anything else That's how impactful it can be. Oh good. I thought you're that was gonna be a pitch for monovie or something Is that company still exist? Oh, yeah, they went under I dug I don't know I have heard about them for a while

I think they went out you know my dad my stepdad or yeah, he did? They went under, right, Doug? I don't know. I haven't heard about it for a while. I think they went, you know, my dad, my stepdad, horse. Yeah, he did like, he did every MLM, did every single, I used to see there, I see people driving cars and have a stick around the back. Oh, they're still alive. Oh, they are. Yeah. No way.

That's impressive. You want to talk about a crappy, it's literally blueberries from the Amazon. Yeah, that's all, that's the same thing. But it's exotic. Oh my God. Oh my God. But yeah, because I mean, sleep, that's just too, too, too simple. Well, it's just too

simple. It literally has that big of an impact. And I'm not like just saying this like every study done on it. You know what it reminds me of? You guys remember that, that little spiel that Jordan Peterson did with, I think it was on, on Joe Rogan's podcast, which I think we've all shared it as like being one of the more impactful things, where he's talking about the first 10 minutes of walking through the door, or the 15 to 20 minutes you spend with breakfast with your wife every single day, and explaining that like, that's like 80% of your life. Like if you master those little things, you're going to have a really good life.

And I feel like there's the same types of rules apply to health and fitness. It's the boring things that are not fun to talk about, like sleep every single night, that if you master that, like mastering that will make you healthier than like 90% of the population enjoyable, not just like something in the future that you're working towards.

Yeah. Well, modern life, the default is, it encourages terrible sleep. Like, that's the default, right? So, what do I mean by that? Well, we don't get a lot of sunlight. That's, that impacts your sleep negatively. Most people have stimulants during the day

and maybe depressants at night, that impacts your sleep negatively. We're not active at all compared to what we should be doing. We tend to eat late. We tend to be exposed to light right before we go to bed. And so, and what we do is we confuse being so exhausted or knocking ourselves out with good quality sleep. To the point where, this is true now, a lot of people might not admit this, but most people need something to go to sleep or something to wake up. That's a hint, that's a clue that your sleep

is probably not that great. So really just improving that, and how do you do that? You just kind of prioritize a little, do a few things to your day and your lifestyle and it makes a huge impact on everything else. And not just your body composition because studies show that, right?

More muscle, less body fat, cravings, that's a big one. But also your attitude and your mood. There was a study that I read that showed that when people had good sleep versus not as good sleep, their perception of their daily events became more positive or more negative. So in other words, obviously there's objective things that happen around us,

but our perception of what's happening around us is the filter. So you could perceive the same event, the same stresses as more or less stressful, or certain things as more positive or less positive. This is what we often refer to as like your mood, right? How your mood is. Sleep has a profound impact on that.

So it's just one of those things we totally ignore. The way we tend to pay attention to it is by trying to knock ourselves out. Yeah. And we're extremely deprived from it. That's right. Okay, I have to pay attention to this. That's right.

That's right. Since you're talking about this this. That's right. That's right. Since you're talking about this, I think this is a good time to transition and share with the audience what happened or what transpired over the last, I don't know, it's been about 60, 30, 60 days. That's happened. I don't know if the listeners know this, but Uler, I don't know if they went completely under or they are in the process of shutting down. They were known to sleep me towards the end there.

Yeah, they've been, Euler, Chili Pad, Sleep Me first, which might have been the reason why they went under. I don't know if I should show them the chance to be recognized. Which was a product I absolutely have always loved and talked about because it's been such a game changer for me and Katrina is to be able to balance our, each of our temperatures individually and has made a huge difference on my sleep.

And anyways, as soon as they went under, I didn't even share this with you guys. I've actually been waiting to for us to talk about this when the first commercial came up. The, almost the day that it came public, that they were not going to exist anymore. We actually got three different emails from Jetbed, Sleep 8, and I can't remember who the third comment right away because they knew that we had been with them for the last couple of years. Yeah, I didn't tell you guys this. It was really, it was flattering for sure.

And I kind of went through and dug in what I thought, like what I thought was the best one of the three of them and then started negotiations back and forth, and that's how we landed on sleep eight. Because eight sleep is a sleep eight sleep. Is it eight sleep or sleep eight, Doug? It's eight sleep. Did I say sleep eight? I did, yeah, sorry.

Eight sleep. So when you compare them, they definitely understand sleep on a different level when you look at some of the stuff that they do. So, well, they're tracking way more than that's it. So, a lot of these products, what they do, because studies show this actually has a profound effect

on your sleep is the temperature that you sleep in. It makes a big difference, okay. And I think people kind of know that. They know what it feels like when it's too hot, especially more too cold that they can't get really good sleep. Well, temperature control, that's a big one. That's I think a lot of these companies do that. But eight sleep also tracks your HRV,

your body temperature, deep sleep, heart rate, I think. So it tracks what's happening while you're sleeping. And then here's the crazy part. The bed adjusts temperature to maximize your sleep on the fly. That's crazy. So it's like AI, right? So you're sleeping on the bed. Yeah. It's tracking these things. It starts to learn what works best for you and then it it modulates itself throughout the night to improve deep sleep to wake you up. So there's a feature on there where So a lot of people don't know this and I figured this out a long time ago I talked about this on the podcast and we've had a lot of listeners since Transition to what I'm about to talk to talk about because it was game changer for me.

Everybody wakes up with an alarm, and it's usually a loud phone or whatever. Well, years ago, I learned how that, it's so jolting that it actually has a negative effect on us, and that the way the human body evolved to wake up was more like temperature rises and the sun starts to, you know, kind of come up and you kind of just, feels like you wake up naturally versus the,

you know, the shock from alarm. That everybody gets to has PTSD from that alarm sound when you were a kid. In fact, right now, people know this. You did this, right? It still gives me chills today if I hear that, like on a movie. Yeah.

So people know this, like right now, if you can, if you just randomly heard the alarm sound that you hear in the morning, you'll get this weird visceral response. I think people know that because you've conditioned your body through this abrupt, you're not supposed to wake up that way, basically. That's like a stress response, right?

So I had bought this alarm clock that mimicked the sun rising, and it was a game changer for me. I remember I had wake up, but wow, I feel really good, right? Well, what it sleep does is it uses a temperature and vibration to quietly, slowly wake you up. Now, how does temperature work?

Well, if you're sleeping at, let's say, 55 degrees, if it starts to warm up and there's a period of time, and again, this particular product is smart. So it knows it'll warm up and they're warming up naturally wakes you up as if the sun was coming out. Yeah, pretty awesome. No, I'm sorry. No, I'm super excited about the partnership. So and it seems to be a product that is as good and better in every other aspect that I

felt sleep me and chilly was. So it's pretty cool. But I didn't tell you guys that about about all the companies that were coming to us. It was really cool. That's great. They had other ones too. Are you guys familiar with the bedjet? Or that one's kind of like basic.

It's like almost like an air-conditioned fan is like blowing in there. Yeah, my cousin's a fan, he likes it. But it doesn't have the tracking and stuff. And the other one was really basic too. I really felt like eight sleep is like the best choice out there, which was pretty cool that that I mean, because originally sleep me came after us. It was a friend of a friend type of partnership where they had they had done other companies with us and they introduced

us and I love the product and we used it and we've been with them for a long time. And I had no complaints about it. I just think that the company didn't work out. I don't know what happened logistically with the business or what like that that the company didn't work out. I don't know what happened logistically with the business or what I thought But it didn't work out and you know, I remember talking to Trina like oh man That's a bummer. It's like one of my favorite products to talk about because of how much it's helped us and it wasn't but like It was literally like less than a week dude. That's a grueer getting like that's a great feeling I know right. I thought that was pretty cool Like that. What do you always say Adam or the hot girls party? That's right the hot girl the dance

At the dance yeah them or the Hot Girl's party? That's true, the Hot Girl, the dance. Hot Girl, the dance. At the dance? Yeah, or the Hot Girl, the dance. Yeah, that's true. I just broke up with my boyfriend, 85 DMs. Oh, I'm sure my girlfriend is dancing around the shoes. Yeah, speaking of which, creatures of habit has a pretty bad supplement now.

Oh, no, I know, it's their nightcap. Yeah. Mike's, you know, so funny. Mike sent it over. He's actually sent it over twice now because he sent it over and I'm like, bro, I didn, you know, so funny. Mike sent it over. He's actually sent it over twice now because he sent it over and I'm like, bro, I didn't get it. I swear. I said, I said, you, this is when I didn't know what it was. I'm, I was at the face mask. He's like, no, bro, he's like, the face mask comes with it. There was product in the box. I'm like, oh, you

said, yeah, no, no, I don't throw it away. You sent it to our studio. We got so many employees in here now. And we've given them all the green light. Like, hey, you guys feel free to use whatever you want. I think the guy's taking up seriously. And so we get boxes sometimes and I'm like, hey, send it to my house. So he finally did send it over there. And I wanted to actually to ask you what your thoughts are on it because it's got a lot of good stuff

that we talk about. Camemail, CBD, I think L-theanings in there. Yeah, yeah and Gabba. Yeah, it's good. So a good sleep product, okay, so there's, I would put sleep supplements into two categories. One would be like knock me out, and there's some value in that, right?

There's some value in like, I just need something to put me to sleep, because that doesn't mean you're gonna have the best quality sleep, but that is better than not. That's like my travel kind of, yeah. When you're off time zones or whatever. Yeah, your intervention. Like if you had like, literally insomnia type of stuff, right?

Like I could see like that being like a value. But then the other side is more of a regular use thing, which will have compounds that are beneficial for sleep quality and can be used on a more regular basis and support natural sleep. That's what this is in there because it's got the GABA, it's got the Thienine, Rheeshees in there, Ashwagandha, these are all things you can use on a regular basis, CBD. So it's good stuff, but people don't know, creatures of habit, they make the high protein oatmeal that we talk about.

Yeah, well they, so I taught when Mike dropped this how we were on the phone and I'm like, hey, what's the deal? Are you moving away from oatmeal? He's like, no, no, he's like he was the vision was always That's why he called it creatures of habit is like to have this There's all these different things that he does habitual in his day to optimize Sleep energy movement strength so that well that makes sense is that he does habitual in his day to optimize sleep, energy, movement, strength. So that makes sense. So he has plans for other products. I don't know what they're gonna be in the future,

but he's like, yeah, no, this is just one of many things that I wanna do that have changed my life and has improved my health and fitness journey. So sleeping is speaking of sleep. I tell you the most annoying thing happened last night where I'll tell you guys what happened and I'll tell you about the thought process that I had. So the night before I had terrible sleep,

we had come back from vacation and the baby seems to be going through our youngest two seven months, is going through a leap, which we've talked about. You can actually look these up. They're actually so accurate, it's crazy. Like, it's so weird. Like, something happened and I'm like,

let me look this up. Oh, there it is. Okay, so do you think it's kind of horoscopy? Is that why? No, it's accurate every time. Because sometimes I feel like it's so accurate, I get blown away and I'm like, is this like a cuz I'm biased and is it because?

It's like, it's like that so far with us. It has to. I could train an eye and we still, we don't use it as regularly as we did when Max was one and two years, after two years old, we really slowed down using it. But every once in a while, if he's acting really abnormal, he just came out of one.

I think I shared this with you guys a couple of weeks ago. So you know what, I haven't looked at the app in a long time, what's supposed to be going on with him age-wise, he's like, oh my God, it's a leap. This is a leap and this is like, the symptoms are the things that he's acting and what he's doing are really lying. And I tell you what, I recommend this to people

that are parents with infants and toddlers because at the very least, becoming aware of that your kid is going through that gives you higher tolerance and more patience. 100% because of the way you're like, oh, they're acting up. Like, what's going on? Yeah. Like, no, his brain is literally developing.

Yeah. And so I have this empathy, like right away, like, even though I'm frustrated initially with the way he's acting or what he's doing, but then I go like, oh, well, I understand why now he's trying to figure out this or his vision is now coming together this or he's just now starting to really understand and comprehend sentences and so it's like, okay, so it makes me more patient. So parents have known this for a while. Is that your kid doesn't just linearly grow physically or mentally. It's like all of a sudden all the stuff happens and then it slows down for a while and all of a sudden they go through growth spurts. They do this through with brain development and all that stuff as well.

So those are leaps and they place a higher demand on the body's resources. Their sleep tends to get disrupted. So the last leap my baby went through, she went through the leap and right after all of a sudden she's like rolling and doing all these different things that she wasn't doing before. So you can clearly see what happened. So anyway, she's going through one. So the sleep was bad.

So last night, I'm like, you know, Jessica and I are like, let's just, we need to go to bed early. Like let's just organize everything right, set everything up, go to bed early. And that's what we did, right? We get everything set up, everything was good. And I go to bed and I'm laying in there

and I'm drifting off nicely. And Jessica was sleeping downstairs because I'm laying in there and I'm drifting off nicely and Jessica was sleeping downstairs because I had taken turns with the baby. So I was upstairs feeding her so she could go downstairs I Feel this tapping on my shoulder. I turn around and it's Jessica. It's like 11.30 a night I'm like what's going on? She shows one of the fire alarms is like beeping. It's got like a low battery. Oh my god So annoying fine, so I get up so I got to get up right so now like fully awake and It was a fire. I didn't even know that we had one there. So where I live It's like a kind of like a tri level almost and we have these really high ceilings. Okay, and some parts of the house

I don't know how the hell they put a fire alarm. How you changed the battery on this thing? But it was huge extension ladder just to reach the room. That was like the one at our trucky house that I got hit with that habit. Did you? Yeah, you know our ceiling is there, massive, and we have one all the way up in the corner. How did you get it?

Well, we have one of those crazy like 20 foot ladders. I had to go get that ladder again. Well, this is 11, 30, and I have a step ladder. That's as high as I go. So, you're like, this is the broom. No, I couldn't even reach it if I had to go get that ladder again. Well this 11, 30 and I have a step ladder. That's as high as I go. So, you're like, this is the broom. No, I couldn't even reach it if I had a broom. So it's way up and it's doing this beep. You know, every like,

and it's like, the deep roasted at it. So I'm like, what do, like I'm so frustrated. I'm like, oh, there's what can I do? And I'm like, literally in my head, I'm like, I'm gonna throw things at it. Just crush it.

Then I'm gonna wake up the kids. Yeah. So we ended up just turning up the sound machines'm gonna throw things at it, just crush it. Then I'm gonna wake up the kids. So we ended up just turning up the sound machines and trying to sleep through it. But you're good. Oh my God. I know. Bro, literally I was hate dreaming.

You ever go to sleep and you dream about what you wanna do. Yeah, yeah. So in my dream, I was so annoyed with it because you would hear it beep, everyone's well. That I got my gun and I shot it. It was like this. Yeah.

Yeah. Then it woke up and I figured I'd do that. But it gun and I shot it. I'm just like, yeah. Yeah. Then it woke up and I think I didn't do that. But it bad, I think. It kind of brings me back. I mean, you ever had one of those possessed toys that you just have to get rid of where the middle of the night, like it just turns on like randomly.

That was freaking you. And so we had this a long time ago, is when the kids were little and as at my old house, and it was one of those like dinosaur robot like you just turned it on and it walks around and it's like like makes all these weird noises and it just lit up and it was like it started like going really slow and then it turned off and then I go to like mess with it and I'm turning it off. It wasn't even on. It was just decided to turn on. And then go back to sleep, wake up again,

and it's doing that, but then it's going in super slow motion. And this is like with the weird creepy like, we're like, we're like, we're like, we're like, I grounded it through and outside to break it. And I look outside my door that's like a sliding glass door. It's out there, it just turns back on. I'm like, I'm gonna fucking burn that thing when I wake up. Where he's reminding me of a story one,

Katrina and I first started dating. I used to have this projector for a TV screen in my bedroom. And I actually had a big long master bedroom. And so it projected a hundred inch screen in my bedroom. And I had a big, long master bedroom. And so it projected a hundred inch screen on my wall. And she used to come over and we'd watch, this is like when we first started dating. And she'd come over and watch.

And this is the first time, she saw me lose my shit because someone was wrong, and needed a new bulb and stuff. And ordered it. And of course I've got this new girl I'm dating. And so I don't want to be a chump and not know how to change myself. So of course I'm doing it.

Yeah, it's established that you can do it. Right? Oh my God. It was like the most complex thing I had ever done, dude. To just change the goddamn bulb in a projector. I thought it would be like so basic and simple and I've got instructions out. She's like sitting there trying to help me and stuff like that. I got so memorized to have that condo. Yeah, this is before YouTube fucking ripped it off the wall

Went to the balcony fucking chucked off the Man She was like okay, I guess Hey guy Okay, I guess we should not go watch him move. It's a guy. He's still leaving. I know, I think I should stuck around with me, you know what I'm saying? Oh, oh man, I was so mad. I lost my shit just through. The butt that he exploded when he hit the ground.

Oh, that's annoying. I had once, this was a long time ago, one of those toys, Justin, that you're talking about, where it would just turn on randomly, and I finally got frustrated and I pulled the batteries out. And then when I went to bed, it turned on. I'm still tears on. Yes.

And I was like, what? So I stomped it to death because I was like, this is weird. Well, there's another battery that goes to the other part. Yeah, a little bit. And then I stomped it. A lot of those vocal arms have that. I've experienced that before.

Were you like unplug it, then you think it's gonna look good and then it has a battery, then you take that battery out, then it has like a you like unplugged it, then you think it's in a battery, then you take that battery out, then it has like a little watch battery in it. It's like it's like backup, backup, and you're like dude. Yeah, I do.

I think that makes sense. You talk about leaps. Max was going through, I mean, I don't know if I'd consider, I didn't go on the app and see if this was a leap, but it seems like a new thing, where I can literally see him processing like new words or a new sentence that you say, and he's in repeat mode.

So he's in this, like, if he hears something new, he's going to repeat it for sure, because it's just new to him. Or he'll see Katrina and I have in conversation, and here's something like that he's never heard before, and then he repeats it. And you can actually see the wheel spinning and like him doing it, we're wrestling around. And yesterday, and he's, you know, we just, of course, I let him feel like he's challenging me a little bit, everyone's so loud.

Like, oh, you know, and then I'll put him in like his arm behind his back or put him in a full Nelson. And so I'm doing stuff with him. This is a pretty hardcore beat. Yeah, I don't fuck around, bro. This around, right? So I wanted him to be a whoo. You know what I'm saying now, is that? And could you just leave I'm a surround, right? So I wanted to be a whoosh. You know what I'm saying now.

And you know, you're not, you're not to lead the room a lot. I was just like, I can't watch this. You're being so hard. I mean, he's laughing. It's not hard. Trust me. You know, he's this.

Yeah, there's a whole other level of hard here. When I'm in there, yeah, right? So just wait until he gets older. Yeah. So my new thing that I was saying to him was he come, he come around at me and dive at me. And I was, and I would do like a different move. And I said, you never seen this one before. And I'd was saying to him was he come, he come, run it at me, dive at me. And I would do like a different move. And I said, you never seen this one before.

And I'd say that to him. And he just thought it was so funny. And so like, that's this new thing right now. He taxed me out of nowhere. And he's like, you've never seen this before. And he's like, hit me, not so, yeah. Yeah, you've never seen this before. He tries to do like so weird move.

And that's the last thing. Don't ever, don't ever. Here's a lesson that I'll see people listening right now. Don't ever react strongly when your little one hits you in the nuts, because then they realize, that's a power hit. This is now, yeah, now my toddler thinks it's hilarious. So now if I'm sitting down or whatever,

he's gonna throw something at me, he's aiming for that. Because he hit me on accident, I'm like, oh my god, I remember that reminds me of like, when I was out of the park and when the kids were a little smaller and we would play like that, we'd play rough. And like, because we have always played rough

and tumbled and all that. And so they would, I was like throwing the football of my friend, we're getting the dogs, everybody's out, you know, getting energy expended. And they were just trying to come at me as I'm trying to catch football. And I just would stiff arm them and push them on their back. You know, and they'd come in.

And we just started to do this straight up like Kung Fu. Where I'm just like throwing a kick. Like just, you know, I'm not hurting them, but we were all like playing into it. And like they would fly and like roll out of it. And then these parents would walk by and just be like, whoa, somebody was like gonna call CPS on me or something. I'm just like, dude, you can play rough.

Especially if you have, well, I mean, this is gonna sound stereotypical, but it's true, I think, especially with little boys. They oftentimes they have to get out this loud, rambunctious kind of, like, I got a throw shit, energy. And so, you know, my two-year-old, he'll do that. He needs to, every day,

run really hard, throw-shit, and scream at the top of his lungs. Well, it just so happens that, you know, Jessica can't, she hates super-loud screaming. So she gets really mad at me. So I'm like, honey, he's got to get out this energy. So like, we do this thing now, we're gonna start doing this thing

where I'm gonna say to him, do you want to scream? And then she's gonna go outside. So she's, cause he's, he's key, scream, we're allowed. And then let him get that shit out. Yeah. Scream louder, throw something, do it. And he just goes nuts. And he goes to sleep nicely.

That night, you know? But they have to get it out. It's interesting how different like every kid is, right? When we were up in trucky, we had my best friend and his kids, right? And they're hunter his son is a year older than Max and then they have a daughter who's a year younger than Max and their night routine of getting ready to go to bed is so opposite of Katrina. First of all they

let their kids stay up at least an hour and hour and a half later than ours and then Mac like what we do it's like there's the I've shared it before, like, you know, bath time, even to this day, once he hits the bed to read, you don't get off the bed, and it's like, we read a couple books, then there's a story time after it. It's like an hour, and lights are all dim and down.

It's like this hour of my buddy, takes, goes, brings the kids out to the golf course when we're out there, and sprints and runs and tackling like they they exhaust him that's their way of getting him ready for Ben I just like that's so wild to me. I'm like so if we do that to max He's not going to bed dude. Yeah, he is not gonna sleep that way But they also had to figure it out. There's some their son is like total different speed than than max is He's a little bit more a really a reason. He's loud, he's more aggressive,

he's more physical like that, where he's got to expend that energy. And I think back to that video, I don't know if one of you guys were the ones that shared that, but I saw that viral video of Jordan Peterson talking about boys and, you know, and education

and then making sure that you exhaust them. Like it's, you think the kids are, the boys are getting enough play, he's like, they're not. It's like, just when you think they need, they've had enough, give them more and then give them more. Give them so much that you physically exhaust them. They need that. And you're saying that, that we just don't do that.

They say, society, we don't do that. That's true for a lot of kids. Not all kids, but for a lot of kids. If you leave kids to their own Devices and they're playing and having fun they play Until they're exhausted. They don't stop when they're not exhausted like I'm done They keep going and going like if you ever played with a kid in a pool or on a playground. Oh, yeah Like you're tired way before they are they want to keep going and

We don't do that. Like we tell like we expect these kids to sit in a chair, listen to someone for what six hours, little kids, and without doing that. Well then you add to that and then they come home from a school like that and then we allow them to sit on TV, video games, or iPads and it's like, dude, and then we wonder why they have this attention deficit disorder It's like well, maybe they they need to get a lot of this energy expended You know we're not getting it throughout the day, and so it falls on us as parents to make sure you do that You know it's funny, yeah people understand this with pets if you have a dog right you're right and you don't go walk your dog

To the shit out of your house. Yeah, and everybody knows like oh, go yeah You got to go take your dog for some run and depending on the breed, right? You gotta run a more or less or whatever. They're not like, here's a medication to show your dog out, so you could not bite shit or whatever. Well, that was the thing.

And it's like, when we were even on vacation, why it was like, okay, we're just going out, we're doing these things that are like physically taxing, you're getting a lot of sun, you know, or you're playing in the water, you're doing it. Like, they were so busy that like, their behavior was amazing. That was like the best time ever, you know, with them. And it's like, dude, you gotta think that that has a massive,

I mean, there's such a deficit there in that setting of education where it's like, if we could like combo the two together, get them as excited about learning while being physically active. You know, what a better result. I see a massive difference. I have the whole maxes entire journey so far,

four years of going through this with him. Massive difference when I make an effort first thing in the morning as soon as that sun is up to get outside. Yeah. To get outside and play with him. Yeah, it doesn't have to be crazy. Just just get him out and let that sun hit on him and play around with him and be outside for a couple hours. His behavior, the rest of the day and his sleep that, excuse me, that

night. He's proven. He is in, you know, it's so funny. It's so funny. It's proven. And yet we still as parents don't a lot of times account for that. You're kids acting out. He's doing so things. You don't go, like like at least I do now. I go like oh well We didn't we didn't take him outside early this morning We haven't we haven't played with them all that much like of course. He's being a little shit right now because he needs to Expend all that energy so it's so important Yeah, I gotta bring some does the same mission why there was one like development like so after you left, we were getting coffee down at this place nearby. And that's one of these food trucks.

And we're sitting there. And I'm sitting with the kids while Courtney's kind of going to grab the coffee. She's taking a while to come back. And I'm kind of looking around. And then she comes back and this guy's kind of talking or ear off following her over. And he keeps talking to her.

And he's saying all these things about like Jupiter and like whatever, like astrological things that tie into how many beneficial things are happening right now and blah, blah, blah. It's like all this like wizard voodoo, like astrology stuff. Yeah. And I'm just like, oh Lord, like roll my eyes, you know? And then he just keeps going on about it. And he's he's asking Courtney more questions. She's like,

she's totally being nice, but but not like, you know, cutting them off. Yeah. And so it was like, he just he looked at that as an opening to keep talking. And so we ended up getting this pitch for like some fake bank that he basically was like promoting he has and he could get us loans and he could do all this stuff. Like he was literally, he literally like went rambling on for so long that like I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whatever you're saying,

like I am not interested, we are good. And we're just trying to enjoy ourselves. I appreciate if you go. You know, I had to actually do that. So to enjoy ourselves. I appreciate if you go. You know, I had to actually do that to the point. And I'm like, I got a bit of tolerance where I'm not going to be a total dick right away, but like he was like totally like sitting himself down.

He was starting to write and I was like, making fun of him as he's doing. And he's not getting any social cues, anything. He's writing his number down on this napkin and all this stuff and he's trying to like sail these numbers and like financial terms and things that sound like he knows he's talking about. I'm like, this guy's so full shit. And so anyways, like I'm like, we're out of here. Like he just wouldn't get the hint. And so we all just like kind of left. And it just left a really bad impression on us. And he was doing this to also the people

that were selling the coffee and the business owners and trying to scheme with them a bit. And all this, we noticed Courtney noticed and pointed it out, he had a band on his arm that was basically fresh out of the hospital. Oh, no. And for two, he had mentioned some details to us, just super transparently,

that his wife had kicked him out of the house and whatever, and the cops were after him and blah, blah, blah. And all this stuff, and I'm just like, whoa, this guy, it was so much that I was just like, all those details just kind of left me, Courtney's very detail-oriented. She remembered every single thing that she was like, wait a minute. I guess

like he was running away the cops from Sedona were looking for him. He's in Kauai. And so she actually like filed, like called them and said, Hey, do you know of this guy and this character? They're like, yes. Oh, why? She remembered his exact like, he's like, it's almost my birthday She's like it was this thing they looked at the records like that literally is his birthday and and so like so he was Honest he was on I mean that was real. He's a con man. He's a legit con man that was like running around like Kauai trying to Basically just like hustle all these people to give them their financials.

And so they're talking back and forth with Courtney and telling him about, I guess he's domestic abuse, all this crazy stuff on his rap sheet, but it was great because the kids felt super uncomfortable and they were describing it to me and we were talking about it and I'm like, pay attention to that.

Pay attention to how people make you feel. And when you get an impression of them and like, listen to your intuition, you know? And so that was like a good lesson. It's like, this guy literally is a criminal. And he was just like, just decided to like, push himself in our sphere. You ever think about, I always think about,

like, because I actually had family that was my grandfather on my mom's side, was a legit con artist in and out of prison, her whole life. And I've always thought, how many times do you think you've encountered someone who's a legit con artist and maybe you just thought, maybe you did a good job of like, I'm good, no thank you, and you pass it up. But there's a lot of people that are scammers

and schemers and do stuff like that. Like how many times does somebody potentially actually try to target you, you don't even know it? Well, even, yeah, and the cops are saying like, well, I'm glad you didn't fall for them. Like, well, duh, it's like, obvious. You know, but he's like, no, you'd be so surprised. Like, how many people he's completely manipulated

and have fell for it. Is music charismatic or something? No, he's just pushy. He's the pushy, like, I mean, well, you okay, but you have like a super. Yeah, you're automatically together. You know, like some good people. Yeah, I'm just,

well, shit doesn't even stick for a second. Yeah, yeah, you're on the other extreme for sure. Well, I told you guys, I have a friend. I won't roll one of the bus on the podcast, but he's been a pathological liar since we were kids. He's still a friend of ours. We all have like this, I don't know, he's like got a piece of all of our hearts

so everybody puts up with his bullshit, but he fucking lies like unbelievably. And you can't call him out of lie because he's really good. And he's just don't even try. Yeah, so you just let him, and we just all, that's, you know, so and so, you know, we just say it,

that's all, so and so, that's just how he is. But he came here before and when he left, you guys were like, hey, he's a really smart guy, huh? No, bro. He is not, dude. He fucking is really good at bullshitting. Like, he's just got that craft, dude, where, and he can have a conversation

from politics, to sports, to business, and really hold his own in a conversation. With other really intelligent people, I've watched him do it. He's done it with me many times, and because I know him, I know he's full of shit, but he gets around to the people, and people all the time are like,

hey man, I really like your buddy. He's really smart, dude, I'm like, no, dude, he is not. Still lives at home with his parents, bro. He's fucking 40, 40 something years old, ain't doing shit with his lives of that, but he bullshits all the fucking time. So people have that art skill. I'm usually suspicious of people anyway,

but I remember once as a kid, this guy came up to our house. I was probably 15 or 16. He came up to our house to sell magazine subscriptions, and he was kind of like fast-talking my mom and this and that. And I don't know, it just seemed kind of suspicious to me. So I said, what high school? What's your teacher's name? Okay, I'll get a magazine as soon as I get in contact with you and the guy bolted. I remember my mom was so proud. Like, you spotted a

con artist. You saved me from like, it felt so good. But he was totally bullshit and that's obviously. Yeah. You know, sometimes those people that come to your door, nowadays, what they're doing is they're casing neighborhoods. Did you know that? Yeah, I've heard about that. So years ago, I got burglarized and when I didn't know this at the time, but it makes sense now, most burglaries don't have, like in the movies they happen at night, right, middle of night,

they don't do that at the middle of the day. Yeah. When people aren't home because they're at work and what they do with the police officer said they do because it was a ring that they busted up here in the Bay Area not that long ago. What they'll do is they'll wear like they look like they're with the electric company or they look like they're plumber whatever. Yeah, people don't even question that. And they ring doorbells and they see who's home, who's not home, what cars are in the driveway, what cars aren't in the driveway.

And then they know when you're not home and when you're home. And then in the middle of the day, they'll go in and they'll break in and steal your shit. And they usually case nice neighborhoods because they know that they have stuff in the house that they see. Well, somebody just did this recently

where they got really far. Well, one, I know that one YouTube guy who famously got all the way into the warriors stadium, their back entry level where all the players go because he looked kind of like Clay Thompson and he dressed like him and just everybody just kind of like rushed it, let him go. Gold move. Yeah, just told and then was he was shooting on the court and everything like that. I can't think you know, he is. It's a big dog TV, I think it's his huge, huge, huge,

and he's been banned for life now. Somebody else just did something very similar where they pretended to be either like PG&E or something like that and they just walked right through. What was it? It was something else. We all talked about it. They were carrying something.

Ladder. Yes. Oh yeah, you carry a ladder. That's what I was. That's what I was going. Nobody thinks the wiser. You can walk in and walk something. Ladder. Yes. Oh yeah, you carry a ladder. That's what I mean. You've gone nobody thinks the wiser. You can walk in and move with you to anywhere. Apparently. I mean, if you think about it, if you're a kid checking tickets,

why else would you have a ladder? You must be fixed. Yeah, two dudes with like, with like, you know, like tool belts and a ladder walk by, oh, we're here to, you know, we're supposed to do some work. Are you an ladder man? All right. Yeah.

Look legit. Yeah, you're a teenage kid. You don't know you better. You know what's so funny is if I would have known that fact as a teenage boy, I would have done that for fun. Just, yeah. My buddies and I would have done that for fun. Dude, I mean, there's people that have crashed like the White House, right?

Like with just like these parties and have just blended in just enough to where they get through every other thing. I, I gotta tell you, so I don't wanna say too much because this is a private story for but but I know somebody you want to hear something this is this is one of the crazy this is real one of the craziest stories ever heard my life so you guys know how in California I don't know they still have this they have the street through the three strikes law where if you commit three I

think I don't know if those misdemeanors or whatever. Three felonies. Was it three felonies? Three felonies go away forever. Yeah, that was for life. Yeah, so anyway, this person got caught twice doing something and had two felonies, career, criminal. Anyway, they would, they were burglarizing homes, what they did. Went into this wealthy house, broke into a safe, stole a bunch of stuff, and got away with it. Well, he had some, what are they called drives? What do they call where you store computer information? Is there a scan disk or whatever?

A hard drive? Like a hard drive or something like that? This is a crazy story. He went through it and saw children being abused on the hard drive. He had this moment where he's like, what do I do? So he tried to turn it in anonymously and found out that they can't persecute the person

unless they have a person turn it in. Oh my God. If I turn it in, if I turn it in, I'm gonna get my third strike. Is it real story? This is a real story. No way. Wow, what a good nunjury. Really? He turned himself in. Wow. Turn himself in. Bro, if you're a judge, you gotta is a real story. No way. What a good nun really he turned himself in

Wow turn himself in bro if you're a judge you got a lot that yeah, you got a they didn't give away But he did have to spend some time and gel but completely reformed himself It was like a life-changing moment became a totally different person. It's almost like it would a crazy Huh they out yeah, and they're totally I don't want to say too much interview No, I can I don't think they want to talk about it. Yeah, I don't know. Isn't that crazy? Especially if they're reformed. Isn't that crazy? That's way crazy. Could you imagine, like, he's, oh, I can't imagine that. Like, he's like, this is the best thought process that night.

Especially if you know you're going to get it. He's going to get it. Right. But you know, kids, what do you do? Like, yeah, exactly. That's, I mean, imagine you're, you're a criminal. Okay, and you do something like that. And you know, and you know, you're going to get it.

And you know, you're going to get it. And you know, you're going to get it. And you know, you're going to get it. And you know, you're're gonna get it. He's gonna get it. Right, like you know kids, what do you do? Like yeah, exactly. That's, I mean imagine you're a criminal, okay, and you do something like that. And you 100% know, like I'm gonna turn this in, and I'm getting time. It's just a matter of how much time I'm getting. Right. And what happened?

Well at the time it was three strikes, and that law, you could not, you could have sentions, right? There was no exceptions. It was like those minimum sentence laws. Yeah. So it's like, I'm going to jail for life, but they did let them out after a certain period of time.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that is crazy. Speaking of the White House, I guess they found some cocaine on this. Hey, before you came in, Justin and I were talking about this. Yes. What is worse?

Okay. Getting caught with cocaine at the White House or getting a blow job at the White House. Yeah. You get caught both times Yeah, but what it's what what's yeah, but like it turns of okay Well, we say our opinion but like the public perception. It's it's interesting Which one they would weigh is like a worse offense? That made a good point. What's your point? Doug? You said yeah? Well job performance, right?

I so what's gonna improve job performance and what going to cause your job performance to go down? You know, well, that's on the person though, right? Yeah, I was like, you know, I could be pretty productive on cocaine. You can't, it's true. No, say it, but I'll see you could be, you make real highly of yourself and do things that are not a question.

Make bad decisions. I'll buy it and need some cocaine. If you ever hear them talk, you just cry. Give me a big hug, guys. Um, I think the blow job would be worse because he's, you know, because obviously, oh, he's worse. Well, because it's, it was your here to talk to you. He's crazy. Oh my god. I think the blow job would be worse, because he's, you know, because obviously, well, because it's it was your time up Bill Clinton, because it's with another person who worked for him.

He's already, he's also married. That's what I was too presidents that did both these things. Okay, let's just pretend it was two presidents that did both. I think the public would view the cocaine is worse to be honest with you. He's saying I do. I think they would view the drug, maybe now.

I think maybe culturally, like back in, when that happened, I think it was probably the opposite. I think people expect. What do you think? I think people expect to a certain degree, that powerful man. I mean, like what do you think? What do you mean?

About the cocaine and the blow job? Well, I mean, I don't really care. We don't know who had the cocaine, but we kind of know. I mean, I said let's pretend Let's pretend like it's you know, it's funny me by the way. I can feel you. We don't know who's cocaine. It was really Right the White House. There's not a camera everywhere They're trying to throw everybody on the bus. Hey, wait, come on. They know there's cameras. I know it was a conference room We're the vice president, of course they know, but I mean, like they lost the film.

I bet there is a higher percentage of people in the White House that do cocaine than don't. Probably. You're a politician, dude. Right. Okay. A career politician. Yeah.

You can grab more of them cheat. I think spouses are more of them do cocaine oh Yeah, that's that's more cheat. Yeah, cuz a lot of a lot of I for you know, and this is my my little bit of experience with You know politicians and stuff like that I had a close intimate friend that was close to a presidential candidate a while back and One of the things that she told me that was really interesting and fascinating. And she said that the candidate at that time was telling her they have like this unsaid code that you don't talk about side pieces and wives and families because everybody has like their their political family. Oh, like this is what looks good. Yeah, and a lot of times, that's not even the real life, the real family,

and that is literally like this person. And they met years ago, and it was an agreement. Yeah, exactly. House of cards. And I thought house cards depicted that really accurately. And I knew about that before that show came out. I've never seen, I'm like, oh shit, man, I wonder if that really is that accurate.

And I've heard random stuff about presidents that we've had that their families that everybody thinks they know about aren't even like their real families. They have families in other places that they keep on the hush. And this is their political wife that everybody sees. Did you guys see the video of, so obviously we're alluding to Hunter Biden, right? Because he had all those pictures of him smoke that's right on the ship Yeah, it's a GC the video that never guess did you see the video that was released of him

Driving 174 miles an hour on the freeway Smoking crack. Yeah, you didn't see that yeah, I did. Yeah, yeah, no, I didn't see the video You didn't see that? You did? Yeah, I did. I saw it. Yeah. No, I didn't see the video. It's too much. Dude, can you imagine if you're the president that you're kid, I'm gonna be like, listen, I'm gonna have to beat the shattery right now. Like literally I have to physically beat the crap out of you because you're such. Well, we're only about a decade away from, you know, WWF wrestlers being our president. Just right around the corner from that. And that would be an upgrade. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, we're right around the corner from that. And that would be an upgrade. Yeah, yeah. Dude, we're right around the corner from that.

It's coming. So get ready. Yeah. Well, I think that the reason why all this stuff is coming out about Hunter, because before obviously they suppressed the hell out of it, we all know that now, right? They said it was fake and whatever. It was all real. But I think that it's all coming out because I think the Democrats don't want Joe Biden to run again

And they're gonna try to because because he's not he's not gonna win. He's he can't win. He's too Or both parties are colluding in the you know want to keep him there So he's gonna lose anyway and then Trump's gonna win. I don't think yeah, yeah I think they want they want Biden, and they're probably gonna say, hey, look, we'll let your son off easy, which they did, but you gotta step down, because we're gonna primary, these people who we think will win,

because we think you're gonna lose. I thought Justin had on the head, they're trying to position the cocaine at Camila, because it's right next to her car, right? No, they said the place it was at was near the, yeah, they started to that they said the place it was at was near the beat. Yeah, you're starting to push it. She's just a ruse. Yeah, like, isn't the conference room or something? They changed rooms where they found it. Because it's closer. They're like, come here, we're gonna have that, can we have a quick one here or a quick one here? You're gonna have to take a fall for the

cocaine. Wasn't the pole in terms of like, like, ability like tear was it's a record. Yeah, both isn't the both her and Biden have been a record. I don't know if he's been a record, but it's terrible. Oh, really? He's not the all-time worst. I don't know. It would be hard to beat. Maybe you look at that up dog. All-time, all-time worst polling presidents. Yeah, I like to see what those are. What any guesses are coming up top three. Nixon's got to be up there. Yeah. Yeah. Has to be up. I'm about to crook. Watergate, just.

Watergate was real big. Yeah, I destroyed him. And he actually stepped down. God, what was his top three? Come on. Before Doug says it. Hoover. What was it?

He was blamed a lot for the great depression. Woodrow Wilson. I don't know. Let's see. Let's see if I got two of them. I'm not sure. Just responsible for like the federal reserve on Is that on his term? Might have been what he got there. Well, they have high approval ratings and their lowest. Yeah, what are the lowest

Presidential approval ratings? I mean George W. Bush went down to 19% at one point. Yeah. Oh, you know what? When was that probably that was before September 11th. After September 11th, he's a proven one out. Even Trump's lowest was 29%, Biden 31%. Oh, Biden was the lowest. Okay, I thought Biden was the lowest. But I know that. Richard Nixon was down to 23.

Oh, wow. So he was in his lowest bush, huh? No, bushes the worst. Wow. Yeah. I didn't know that. And the funny thing is, what did he do that was the pipeline stuff

that was going on around, what was going on at that time that was so bad that he got that bad or, huh? 2008. Oh, what? So the polling was done. Oh, this was a percentage in 2008. Oh, this was after the crash.

That was a mess. No, no, no, no. You know why Iraq was very unpopular? Well, yeah. And they didn't this would do at the mess. No, no, no, you know why Iraq was very unpopular. Well, yeah, and they didn't find it. They didn't find it. We have a smash. Yeah, that makes sure. You know who had the highest and the economy crashed. Yeah, no, had the highest approval rating of all time for presidents.

George W. Bush. 90% after what? The iron after September 11th. The irony of that. Let me guess after September 11th. A bunch of fucking cheap we are. When he's fucking so easy we can we can go for he's the worst he's the best fucking that's not that was a 91 that is so bad oh his dad that's his dad oh is it his dad oh HW uh no that's not that's George W bro that is so bad okay it's just what does that say about us? Hey, we can't that we would literally make rate you as the worst ever and then in the same year or two years within two years

We rate you as the best you want to know what I you want to know what I heard recently I heard a candidate the veck Ramas Swami. I think I like actually like I like the very intelligent He said that he wants to propose where they do an amendment, which good luck doing that, but anyway, it's an idea, right? Where you in order to vote, you have to pass a civics test. I think everybody becomes saying this forever. A naturalized citizen, or you have to serve. I have to, you should all over that idea when I said that.

A lot of countries do that. I said that way back then. You said you have to pay taxes. No, I said I had a bunch of different options. I'm like, and or make it like you have to pass a test. You should be able to, you have to pass the test. You should be certain. Yeah, I like certain IQ level to vote on our president.

So I could see it now that, no, because that, that's, that'll never fly. But it's civics that makes sense. It's the same thing that we have, like when my dad became a citizen or my grandfather whatever they had to pass a particular test to become a citizen. Average American. Yeah, that was my point of that. That was my point I was making is you should have some sort of like basic comprehension of politics and legislation and what what they're trying to pass with their, like very basic before you should be able to vote. And I would throw myself in that.

If I can't pass the test, I shouldn't get to vote. Did you see some politicians, there's politicians who are like, we need to make voting so easy that you just do it online. What a disaster with that, Paul. Could you imagine? I can't, look, I mean, that was a perfect example of that with W.

The fact that he could be rated the worst and the best in the same sitting, come on. That's just so easy, we're manipulating. I know, come on. I know, I know. I know. Anyway, I'm gonna take a turn here. You turn.

Yeah, so. You take a lot of left turns. I know, let's go right. So, I, you know, every once in a while, you know, if you do something and it may be attached to like a bad connection, you have to something and you think, but it turned out great. I have a situation that happened where I have a weird relationship with supplements and exercise or whatever everybody knows this.

I've been taking creatine pretty consistently, mostly daily, almost daily, since that was 16, nonstop. Nonstop, almost nonstop taking it since I was 16. And it's the role of the dice, right? Supplement first come out, you're gonna take this every day. Is it gonna hurt you? Is it not gonna hurt you? At the time I didn't care, makes me stronger, so I'm gonna take it every day.

Turns out I did something pretty awesome. The Cretan one, the Cretan. It was, it- Did you share this? Well, I, what, the, how it's good for... Yeah, they're supposed to do the liver, right? I didn't, I don't think I talked about it. No, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, I think I told you guys off there. I did hear you say, yeah. So, for its neuroprotective, it's good for preventing and maybe even helping with fatty liver disease or liver function, heart health. It's a, it helps with methylation, which is a very vital process in the body. So I get blood work done and my numbers always come back and I can be on peptides, stuff

and whatever. I could have drink and vacation, get blood tests. And numbers always come out great. And I'm like, this is really weird. Like I would expect to see, I wonder if it's the cretin I've been taking since I was 16 every single day. It's got such beneficial effects. There's so many studies coming out

and showing its beneficial effects on not just muscle, but your organ. It's a health supplement. It's a big time. It's so strange. Yeah, big time. How funny is it that it's gonna be? I bet it's for sure.

It'll become that market at that more than even building muscle. If you, that's a bigger market. Right? Health is a much bigger market. It's a single, it's for sure it'll become that market at that more than even building muscle. That's a bigger market. Right. Health is a much bigger market. It's the single, it's probably the single healthiest besides filling a nutrient deficiency. It's got to be the single healthiest supplement you could take. Period.

I remember when they first came out, I was like, the scare around it. Building up in your gut and then you'd have like, I remember. Bad for came out. I was at the scare around it. Of a building up in your gut, and then you'd have, I remember. Bad for the cuteness. Yeah, picturing mounds of it. It was my stomach. You know, like it's like, I remember they painted it in that light.

You know my favorite solid comment, talking shit about you on YouTube the other day, maybe about me? Yeah, you. They were talking about you and your supplements. They said, it said, I love to watch Sal do his mental gymnastics to do it for, to, to make it just fine. Yeah, just to find it supplement you. I'm very, we all have our things, dude. I'm very, that's why I can't, you

don't, I, here's, here's something I'll tell the audience, don't ever idolize a human. And this goes for anybody, and if they're in the fitness space, don't idolize them as Jesus of health and fitness or whatever. Many of the things that we communicate, or especially, I'll communicate are things that I identify in myself. And I can communicate them well to other people, but it's still a challenge even for myself. So I'll still have challenges with taking too many supplements abusing them or stimulants or whatever.

And that's just, imagine like keeping up a side that you're like just this health guru, like you're a perfect person and you're going out and you're at some nice dinner, you have drinks and you have a good time and then like your fan sees you like, oh, I'll just discuss it in you. It's one of the things. I'm a human.

One of the things I'm most proud of that we did was leading from that vulnerable place, right, of leading with our flaws and admitting with the things that we don't do well, what we struggle with. Most of the things that we've learned, it's because we did it the wrong way. I just think that there's a lot of people that promote themselves online, that promote this facade. I just think that even if that works to get you a lot of attention and make a lot of money in the short term, it has to be torturous to live that way forever.

Then also live in fear of like, oh my God, what if they find out that I do this and I do that and I don't do this all the time. There's lots of it. There's lots of examples of that where people get caught up and it's like they hammered it. I mean, could you imagine if you saw carnivore med having a french fry? Yeah. I mean like he would be just he would be

Destroyers, but how shitty that's got to be to be somebody who doesn't get to have a French fry fresh your life because you went so Ham in that direction because you went so hard in that direction You just chopped all the things all you do that they would they would absolutely crucify you let the truth be told We learned this is personal trainers they would absolutely crucify you. Well, the truth be told, we learn this as personal trainers. All of us independently learn this, that I was a much more effective trainer as defined by my clients kind of hearing what I have to say and trying what I suggesting when they viewed me as a human with

flaws versus this perfect fit trainer who did everything right. And I remember, it took me a couple of years, or a few years of figure that out, that I want to communicate like the realness of like, yeah, it's hard for everybody. This is what I struggle with. I was more effective because they could connect more with me. And they actually helped me be a better trainer.

So I learned that through, I know all of us. You're relatable. All of us learn that through training. But then to what you're saying, Adam, especially if you're a public You know social media like okay, do we have any time to talk about conspiracy stuff? Oh, we have to I think we haven't done it What you go people want it sell People what they want what do you guys see that video? I know Justin has it was a video. No, I didn't so tell me okay

So it's on an airplane you saw saw it. Oh, the woman. That one I saw. Yeah. So there's like, that's falling under conspiracy thing now. That really happened. That did happen. Well, yeah, but like that's okay.

For context, like in terms of like what she's talking about, I think that's where the weird, weird stuff. I feel so bad. I'm not gonna shout homeboy out. He's from Houston, Texas. He's got a killer gym. We met him at the NCI event. And we met him and his team at great energy. I started following him afterwards.

I wish I could remember is the name of his business and handle. So I'll figure it out. Hopefully he'll hear this. And someone will reach out to me. It was his video that went viral. Yeah. And I actually I follow him. So I actually saw him post it first and talk about it. He made this big old rant about like, you know, if you, if you wake up one day and you're, you're, you're feeling crazy, keep crazy at home because the rest of us have live like it ruined his day. Like he didn't, he didn't fly that day because they delayed the flight for four hours. So it went viral, not because a woman looks crazy, but because she doesn't look crazy. Yeah. She's walking up from the back of the plane,

and she's like, that person is not real, very convicted. I'm not going back there. That is not a real person. Then another video comes, so that one went viral. She's like, I don't give a, if you don't believe me, she's just like adamant that what she saw was real. Yeah, and so then another video comes out with an English guy, I think it was something similar.

Get me off this plane, that person's not real. And then something about how his eyes blinked vertically. Yes. So instead of blinking like this through it like this. Yes. Now someone took a picture of the guy, they think the guy that that woman was talking to and they zoomed in on his eyes and it looked right.

It didn't look right. I gotta see that picture. I haven't seen it yet. that. It doesn't look right. So someone's gotta know who that girl is because she went viral. So it would love to hear like her history, right? So the conspiracy theory is around. She has episodes or things like, you know, like.

And the theory is around the longstanding conspiracy theory that they're shapeshifting lizard people. Yeah. You see funny, because if I saw that video, okay, I mean, because the lady does seem like, she, I mean, you guys are saying she's kind of normal, she does seem like she's a little crazy, but I mean, if you got that scared,

you would look a little crazy, right? I mean, that's kind of how you'd act. I guess that's how I look at it. Yeah, yeah, so that is kind of how you would act. So the real question is, because if that was like Katrina, who did that, I would freak the fuck out. Yeah, because that's like,

I know that she's not like that at all. And for her to feel that convicted, that she's gonna get off a plane and do that, like I would be scared of death. So it would be really interesting to know somebody who knows her and how they feel about her character because someone who is kind of crazy and does crazy shit, like that they would also be liable to probably do something

like that. But if it's like I got to sneak another one in here. And I don't know how recent this was or not, but this isn't tying into the whole like moon landing stuff in all that, but it's with Buzz Aldrin. And so he actually had made a trip to Antarctica. And he's like in his late 80s, right? And he went down there to, I guess, explore the South Pole. And I guess there's a part of the South Pole where there's, I mean, now this part is, I think, somewhat conspiracy or if you could actually see this on Google Earth or not, that there's like

a part of a formation of rocks, it looks kind of like a pyramid. And so like what he, what the weird part is that I wanted to kind of bring up was his weird tweet. So after so basically what happened they had to end his trip short because I mean he's old. And so he had like I think I had like a cardiac arrest or he had some kind of episode and that like just shut it down. But of the conspiracy of it is is that he saw something so scary that it like caused him to have like an episode And so it because here's the tweet like after his trip it said we are all in danger. It is evil itself

What that's it. That's his tweet. He treats that to the world. Yeah, like what the heck is he talking about? That is weird. Oh, right like I just was like trying to think about that is weird. Uh-oh. Right. Like I just was like trying to think about that. I'm like, I mean, is it real? Is it, I mean, and here's the problem is like all these dumb websites like Snopes and all these things are like totally like compromised. Like I don't trust like barely any of these websites that like are so called, you know, debunkers.

Yeah, debunkers like give me a break. I have seen what you did through the whole COVID stuff. So yeah, like so I don't know, debunkers. Yeah, debunkers, like give me a break. I have seen what you did through the whole COVID stuff. So, yeah, like, so I don't know, but at the same time, this is real tweet. Like, why would you say that? Yeah, what is that? Yeah, that's weird. Isn't that, that's freaky?

That is so weird. By the way, you could go, you can find videos on YouTube and people have made compilations of celebrities and politicians, shapesh shifting in strange ways. I see it. I see it. I see it. I see it.

Well, yeah, there's just weird stuff, you know, so I don't, I mean, I think lizard people are shit now. The truth is out there. There's a pyramid in Antarctica. Yeah, I didn't know that. What? Yeah. Yeah.

Why are pyramids so common around the world? The cultures that never saw each other connect, or contact each other? Exactly. Just, yeah, just think about that for a bit. Well, here's the thing, okay. Now you're gonna get into my sort of like, pop, pass, okay.

Just go back to the chat. Could you please, if we're gonna do this, pass the joint, come on, like this, I would love to, but I would love to, I mean, I think we've been running too long here for me to really get into this. But yeah, so the thing is, they keep finding these cultures that were like predates all of the history that we've already been taught. Right? And so it's like, my thought process is that we're just, we're just like all the cultures after that. We're just like copying and trying to replicate what was already there.

They got wiped out. Yeah. Uh, which was way more advanced than we gave it credit for. So that would be like my summary. I mean, that's really like Graham Hancock stuff. Right? I mean, he's like the main guy who like, he's as close to an alignment of how I've been thinking for. Well, there's ancient like cave paintings and drawings of what look like the

graves, which are the aliens that everybody knows or UFOs, like very strangely, which is really weird. There's lots of weird shit out there, that's all I'm saying. It's getting weirder. Well, on who knows, broken simulation. I'm pretty sure you guys aren't lizards. Yeah. Who would be the most likely dog? Double most likely.

I'm sure, though. So, when it doesn't age, or reverse engine. He's got Benjamin Buttons syndrome. For sure, he's the most likely. So, saw him eat an ice cream one time and his tongue When lick pay attention you guys I saw him he was laying on a big boulder naked one time in the sun I got a cool shout out. This was actually really neat. This happened just a couple of two days ago. I think it happened happened just a couple of two days ago. I think it happened. So a lot of times you'll hear music in the background at my house when I'm barbecue

and stuff like that on my Instagram stories. And I've been on this kick. I have a playlist that I shared to Teddy Swims playlist. There's got a bunch of different random songs, a lot of country music on there that I like. And so it's been playing in the background a lot. And I got a DM the other day that I actually opened in reg. Because I don't open a lot of those these days and I open it up and it says hey, you know I I see your your playlist and I see you you listen to Russell Dickerson

I'm a I'm a huge fan. He's one of my favorite country singers. Did you know that he's a big fan of mine pump? And I'm like no, I had no idea she sends me a YouTube clip of a fan of mine pump and I'm like, no, I had no idea. She sends me a YouTube clip of Russell Dickerson on YouTube and he's got a video of him and he shouts out, I think he's following our Maps 15 program. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I know. So then I sent over a message to him and found out we have a mutual friend and my buddy I text my buddy who's got his personal number and stuff like that And then he texted him and then we're all on a group thread texting each other back and forth But I've been listening to his music for at least a year if not two years and love his stuff and then to hear that He's a big mind pump fan. I thought that was pretty cool. So it's cool. What's the page?

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you have to have sex with people. There's a process. If they let's see feet. Yeah, feet look like mine. Don't tear out. You have ugly ass feet. Don't do this. Cover your feet.

At least don't do it in public. Cover them ugly ass feet. No, there's some qualifiers, okay? If you're always wearing shoes, you always walk in shoes, and then you decide you're gonna take your shoes off and try to do strength training with bare feet. Understand that your feet are covered in muscles.

There's some mobility in your feet. Your feet have to stabilize you. And if your body has learned how to stabilize with shoes on and you take them off, it's like all of a sudden you're lifting, you always lift with the belt, with the with shoes on and you take them off, it's like all of a sudden you're lifting, you always lift with the belt, well the weight belt and then you take it off. It could make your exercises actually dangerous.

So not a good idea to go from wearing shoes all the time then to just randomly going barefoot using the same weight training, how you always training. So you're on the couch to all of a sudden sprinting. Yes, that's a bad idea. You're gonna hurt yourself. So if you wanna try to train barefoot, go way lighter, way less intensity,

and give yourself a long time to get better at training with your feet being barefoot. And also include feet strengthening exercises and articulation, that kind of stuff. Cause they play a very big role in stabilization and in support and ankle mobility, which then contributes to knee function, hip function, and so on. So don't just go barefoot all of a sudden. That's the same advice that we give with anything, right?

We always talk about doing the least amount possible, list at the most amount of change, the same thing we go for this. You going from never working out barefoot to doing full one hour routines of your normal training session would destroy your feet. There's no reason to do that. I remember when I got on this kick and what I started to just so back when I used to have the bulldogs we basically walked around the block one time and so it started with I would get home, take my shoes off and then just be barefoot in my house the rest of the day. I would go outside, I'd walk the dogs around the block. Yeah, but you were also, you have to tell them

that you were intentional though. It wasn't like you just walked barefoot. You had to, you focused on your feet moving. I mean, that's the idea, right? If you're trying to work on a better connection to your feet, then doing walking with intent is the way to go. The same way that you would work out with intent, right? And I'm just moving your arm, flailing your arms around, right?

The same thing goes with your feet. And then even as stupid as it may sound, but I would be barefoot at home and I would be gripping the carpet and playing around with stuff, or I'd try to pick a toy up with my foot, like, and I think just incorporating it into your day like that. Russian Katrina's here. You're trying to switch my teeth. Eat dinner, you know, it's so. No, no, so I just slowly, I actually think the workout

was one of the last places that I went, right? Cause that's more intense. Loading a barbell back squat barefoot is way more intense than just walking around outside barefoot. And so the first step to me was, if I wear shoes 80% of the time, well, let's wear shoes 50% of the time.

And then what's bare shoes 30% of the time? And then now let's start to do things like intentional walking the dogs and picking stuff up while I'm in my house. And then eventually it was, oh, I barefoot for, and I do one exercise barefoot. And then I do a workout. And so just build up to it.

That's all you don't want to go make the mistake that some people do. They put those barefoot shoes on, they go for runs. The first time that happened, there was that book that came out that showed more and to run, I believe. Yeah, and it was that the guy went and studied cultures that run their whole lives. They don't run with shoes on. He watched how the foot struck the ground. And your foot and your body does strike the ground

differently barefoot than it would with shoes on. Like the foot and the ankle or shock absorbers, whereas when you wear big cushy running shoes, you end up using the shoes of shock absorber with your heel. And what a lot of people did is they read that book, they threw their shoes away and went running immediately barefoot and injuries galore.

Because their bodies had learned how to move with shoes. You can't transition that quickly. In fact, you can't even transition like at a medium pace. This takes a long time. This takes a very long time. Like it took you to do workouts, full workouts barefoot like a year. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and I mean to kind of, okay, we got the precautionary kind of information out there, but like once you get to the point where you have like established that and you're able to walk around barefoot comfortably, you're getting stronger, you're doing our articulations, you start to kind of make your way towards the gym. And like I started to do lunges,

I started to do a lot of like leg exercises and then start to start looting my back, a little heavier with the squat rack. And what I did notice was just how much more anchored I was. And how much better in terms of like the actual mechanics of the squat got for me, because just like anything else, if it's that feedback that your body is more secure and your joints are more accounted for,

like so if your feet are actually stronger, it's gonna support your ankle. It's gonna work its way all the way up the kinetic chain. Everything's gonna respond more appropriately and there's not gonna be as much dysfunction because really, I mean, this is one of those things I think is I wish we would have learned to focus more on the feet as trainers earlier in my career.

Well, it's weird. It's like, this is how I get people to understand it. Imagine if from the age of one till now, you wore gloves, snow gloves. Snow gloves for 90% of the time you use your hands. Imagine how much loss of function, articulation, control, strength you would have in your hands. Well, that's what we've done with our feet. In fact, when we were kids, they don't do this anymore,

but when we were kids, they encouraged parents to put shoes on that were really stiff, sold, and a lot of support is what they would say. Oh, it helps your toddler walk. You still got to do this stuff. And what it does is it actually, it's still I've changed your body to move. I like talking about this because I got into a lot of stuff

with family with my son because I was very adamant about no shoes and they, everybody try to freak out on me. Like he's made a glass, like he can't walk on gravel, barefoot, it's like the reason why Walking gravel hurts like hell for you's because you can't because you'll weak ass feet. Yeah, if he learns to do that early He can handle that. It's not that crazy It's not like he's gonna cut himself or hurt himself by walking on some gravel or dirt It's that you guys have learned you guys have taught your feet to go to sleep by putting them in socks and shoes your whole entire life

So you know a good way to kind of introduce it into the training, what I did, I was going through mass performance at that time, is I made all the mobility workouts barefoot. Yeah, because it's all barefoot. I mean, it's all body weight, right? So you're doing all these mobility moves. I think it's first injury.

And that's all, mobility is all about getting connected. So I love doing all of that first barefoot and then starting to introduce the weight training. So if you've never ran, if this is something you wanna do, you haven't ran or you haven't done in performance in a long time, that's a good way to introduce barefoot training before you start loading the barbell with bare feet, do mobility sessions barefoot?

Yeah, by the way, the worst demographic, what I mean by worst is the demographic of people that will require the longest transitionary time from shoes to barefoot are women that wear heels a lot. So if you wear heels a lot, you have a professional job, you're always in heels or pumps, there's another level that you have to work through, which is now you gotta get used to walking with flat shoes

and then barefoot. And you may find you'll get plantar fasciatus and tight Achilles because your body's acclimated to walking with your heel elevated. Is it ironic that the popularity of heels, I'm assuming had a lot to do with how curvy and shapely it made the legs and butt look on women. Yeah, it makes them actually, the pelvis and anterior tilt.

And it actually makes them more quad dominant and almost impossible for them to build their butt. Yeah. It's kind of ironic when you think about it, right? That we... It props it up, but it doesn't actually build it. Yeah, yeah. So because when they're up on their tippy toes, they're calves and their hands... You need more knee extension when you're walking.

Yeah, so it takes you instantaneously, you look a little bit better than your heels, but then it actually crutches you when it comes to trying to build a butt, because now you become so quad dominant, you go to do squats, deadlifts, these movements that are supposed to build a butt, and you end up just duping your quads.

There's a huge group of women that struggle with that for that reason. Next question is from Andy Lash. You guys have been consistently positive about sled work. What is the best way to add it to something like maps and a ball. Yeah, so the cool thing about sled work is it's a low skill, high value low risk.

Low risk. Low risk exercise. Very few exercises kind of have all that put together. Low skill because almost anybody can push a sled. Okay. It doesn't cause a lot of damage because there's not a negative portion of the rep like lowering the weight. It's all positive and the negative is it causes a lot of damage.

And it's very functional. There's lots of carryover. So with that does, it allows you to add it to your workouts without adding necessarily too much volume or damage and requiring too much recovery or more recovery. So where would you add this on a program like Maps and a Ball Look or any other program? If you feel like you can handle more volume, adding a few sets to the end of your

leg workouts, or even at the beginning of your leg workouts will sled work, it's going to require a little bit more recovery, but not a ton. And so it's one of those exercises that a lot of people can add in game benefits. I did this. So I actually have a personal protocol, how I added it to maps and a ball. So we talk a lot about fitness enthusiasts. We always kind of teeter on pushing the limits or we're always pushing that line or finding that line of overtraining. So I would add the sled in like this. So if it was a week where I did a really good job

of keeping two in the tank, not over-reaching, then I would add it to a workout somewhere, couple, like maybe two rounds or three rounds of sled drives at the end of my workout. If I had a week where I over-reached on squats, maybe I was kind of pushing a PR a little bit or did an extra set or did a little too much and I felt I was like, oh man, I'm more sore

than I need to be, then I would actually replace, like front squats, the next, because we have like a lot of times back squats and front squats in the week, I would replace the front squats with sled drives instead. So I would use it as a way to either one increase volume and intensity for my week because I did a good job of pulling back

on the other days of legs. Or if it was a day when I, or a week because I did a good job of pulling back on the other days of legs. Or if it was a day where I knew I overreached, I would actually replace it with a more taxing exercise, like let's say barbell, back squats or front squats. I do the same, especially replacing it when, let's say there's been a few weeks or a week or so, I've had off to where I'm trying to ramp back or like if it's like a client of mine

that hasn't really trained legs heavy in a long time, like that's a great place to start in terms of like just reintroducing their legs to getting that kind of contraction and getting them to respond. So it's really valuable for that to just add in that kind of practice and volume. Yeah, at the moment, I would say I probably do sled work instead of traditional barbell

work every third week, I would say. And it just keeps my joint healthy. Yeah. I have no loss in performance and strength. So I feel like anytime I join out saying where it's like, you notice that like you've been pushing it for a couple of weeks. I need to have a week right back off the backstacks. Exactly how I use it.

I gave the example of it being weak to weak, but sometimes it would look like that. I have two, three weeks in a row of consistent barbell work, and then it never fails. I always over reach a little bit, and then that was always my signal of, oh, this week I'm going to do sled work instead of doing barbells. Well, and also just to like kind of add in, as far as our programs and stuff like we did add in our Maps Cardio has programmed in sled and we did that intentionally,

so you get that kind of cardiovascular output without the irony is like we didn't program any running really in Maps Cardio. No, that's for people who that are themselves because you just run. You just do that. Yeah. Next question is from E Morse 1440. Why doesn't maps prime pro include needs? I love it.

Is it because most knee issues are actually hip and ankle issues? Are you considering adding knees to the program in the future? Yeah. Okay, so you can't. There's no mobility needs. Yeah, so okay. Strengthen your quads and your hamstrings, which both flex and extend the knee contribute to healthy knees. But if you have kind of chronic knee pain and you can't figure out what's going on, it's

coming from mobility or stability issues in the ankle. It makes the hip always. in the angle. Always. That's it. Always. Because the knee flexes and extends. It just, it does, that's it. It does. And then the only other condition where you have a knee issue that is not related to that

if you had an acute injury. If someone takes a baseball bat to your kneecap, or your kneecap, it's not lacking mobility work there and just needs the heel and recover. So if you got knee issues that's acute, there is no knee mobility stuff that you're going to do is just rest and recover. If you have chronic knee pain, it is always related to either ankle or hip pain. That's it, because just so people understand, if you look at the knee, it bends and it extends.

That's it. Okay. It doesn't rotate. I mean, there's a little bit of give, but that's because the ligaments and tendons allow that. There's no muscles. Stretching it, baby. There's no movement or muscles that rotate the knee

or bend it laterally. It only flexes and extends, that's it. But the ankle, it rotates, it bends laterally, it flexes and extends. It's very mobile in that sense, the hip, even more so. So what happens when you're doing squats or lunges or deadlifts or any other exercise that uses lower body, if the hips or the ankles are not working optimally, then what happens with the knee is the ligaments start to support the load, the lateral ligaments or the ligaments

that prevent the knee from twisting. Like, let's say you do a squat, and your ankle is too tight. And what ends up happening when that happens is your foot will start to turn out as you squat. Well, that turning out, your hip can handle, but your knee, that place is a strain on the meniscus in particular.

So you're like, ooh, my knee hurts when I squat. Well, it's not the knee. It's coming from the ankle or maybe from the hip. So when you look at MAPS Prime Pro, it's got every joint except the knee in there because you want to get better knees. We got to work on the ankles, the foot, and the hip. Next question is from local noon enterprises. What is the number one thing to keep in mind when training seniors, 70 plus who have never

weight train before? Okay, it's the it's the same thing that you keep in mind when training anybody, but you have to be far more conscious and considerate when you're when you're training people in this age group, which is you must train them appropriately. What does that mean? It doesn't take much at all to get a senior who's never weight trained before to get their body to send a signal to get it

to get stronger or improve its fitness. And for a trainer or somebody who's not experienced with this, they almost always overdo it because you get a senior who's 70, you sit them down on the bench, and you say, okay, let's have you sit up and stand up and sit down, and we'll do that as an exercise. It's like a box squat with no weight, right? Very good traditional exercise to do with a senior. And then they'll have the person go until the person gets tired. And they'll be like, oh, that was appropriate. You overdid it. Yeah, you overdid. Because the most that this person who never exercises in this age group gets up and sits, you know, gets up and sits down is like one. Like they'll do it when they watch.

No, like, you really think about it from mathematical or volume, right? Like they probably get out of their bed once. They get off the toilet maybe twice. They probably get in and out of their car twice. Yeah. So they literally do that body weights quad. And it's not like all that one. Yeah. Five to six times with huge rest periods in between. So you're doing 15 that in a row. You hammered them. Yeah. It's already like that. You just have to think that way. It's like you have to find and that's why your point

of I mean, it's the same as almost the advice is kind of the same for anybody's meeting them where they're at because you could also have a seven-year-old Who still waters keys deadlift. Yeah, very active does a lot of physical stuff It's very different. Yeah, and that and that person has a total different and that matters more than 70 right? What matters more is what does this person do on a fragile? They are how like equipped they still and how long have they been this way for how many years? Like if you've been relatively sedentary and with no weight training, no real physical activity for decades,

like boy, this is gonna be a really sensitive person. I'm not gonna have to hard do it with my original process. Yeah, but if this is a 70 year old who has been very physical most of their life and now they're wanting to really pick up strength training, well, you know, maybe I can start them somewhere else. I'll give you an example. This is general.

So obviously, there's a difference between individuals, but I'm going to give you a general starter beginner workout for someone in this age group. Because at some point, this became like 30% of my clients because I train doctors, they send me to their clients and they're their patients. So I had a lot of clients that were like 65 to 85 at one point.

And I loved training, it was always real fun. And so here's a general workout for somebody who just hired me, who's never strained trained, who's in this age group. I would do this, I'd have them come in and I'd have them sit down on the bench, I'd watch how they sit down. Then I would adjust the height of the bench

with like foam pads. And the first exercise would be to sit down on the bench, I'd watch how they sit down, then I would adjust the height of the bench with like foam pads. And the first exercise would be to sit down with control and stand up and we would do like three to five reps, we'd rest three to five minutes, and then we'd do like another one or two of those. Literally, that's it. They could probably do 10 or 15, but I'd do like three to five. Then the next exercise, literally, I'd have them sit up real tall. I put my hand between their shoulder blades and I have them squeeze their shoulder blades back as hard as they could hold it for two seconds and then relax and we would do that like

six to eight times and we'd rest three to five minutes and repeat that a couple more times and then the third exercise Okay, this would be the last exercise, is that I have them sit up real tall, I'd have them take their hand with their thumb kind of pointing up, like they're gonna hitchhike, but they're arms straight, and I'd have them come back and go as high and straight as they possibly could and hold that for like three to five seconds, and then bring it back down, we do like four reps of that.

So you'll notice there was no weight involved in the upper body exercises at all, and that would be it. Simplicity is king and going very slow and intentional with every one of these movements and allowing them to feel their way through it, communicate through it. Like, I mean, that's really the utmost intention because it's really about how they're going to feel the next day, you know, and like you got to really be sensitive to how to gauge that. And also I found that, you know, a good way to motivate them during the

sets is a world there's original. You you you place it. You just gotta pick that up. Okay. I'm gonna like six. Two to go. Yeah. Ain't no, uh, the first phase of map symmetry.

It was, is a great place for somebody. Too much volume, but it's a good place to look. So if you are a trainer, I'm assuming this is a trainer who's asking this, I would own that program, I would own a Prime Pro, and I would have Starter. I think a blend of all the exercises and things we have in there.

And then of course, still applying that original rule that we said of a plate, meet them where they're at because that could be literally getting up and down 10 times. So what I'm about to say is gonna sound outside of the scope of personal training, but I believe it to be within the scope because if you really believe your job

is to improve the health of an individual, then that's more than just exercise and nutrition. What we would do in between sets would be a lot of conversation. I would ask a lot of questions. I believe it really did contribute to their improvements in health because many of these people in the stage group had very little you know interaction with people. Some of them lived on their own or they had a caretaker and their families in a visit

them except for maybe once a week and they come in between sets we talk and ask them questions. By the way people in the stage I know you're making the joke about the word that's original or whatever but if they're sharp that wasn't a joke. I like them too. That's one of my favorites. You guys don't like those? They're so good. Butterscotch discs are really good to it.

If you... Ginger snaps. When you find someone in this age group and they're sharp, the wisdom and stuff that you could gather from is, this is why I used to love training them. I would ask them all these questions and I remember they're a wealth of knowledge. Oh, I would get advice on marriage and raising kids and society. And oh, I've seen this before, this happened, and went to whatever, and I'll be like, oh my God, this is so amazing.

But take it very easy. And the next day they should feel better. So you should not call them, and Mrs. Johnson says, oh, my legs are really sore. She'd be like, wow, I feel, my back doesn't hurt as much. Boom, you know you did the right amount of volume and training. And they improve and get stronger, just like anybody else. And the payback

is actually higher because they start to become more independent. It's life changing. Yeah, which is pretty awesome. Look, if you like Mind Pump, you want to follow some of our workouts, but you want to start small, go to Mind Pump Media on Instagram for under $5 a month, you get a programmed workout every single week right there. Mind Pump Media on Instagram. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So Justin, is that Mind pump Justin? I'm at Mind pump, De Stefano, and Adam is at Mind pump Adam.

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