Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2119: Getting Leaner By Eating More Calories, Ways to Improve Muscle Definition, How to Train When You are Feeling Burnt Out & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 15, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. 2119: Getting Leaner By Eating More Calories, Ways to Improve Muscle Definition, How to Train When You are Feeling Burnt Out & More (Listener Live Coaching) Mind Pump Fit Tip: Do the LEAST amount of work to ELICIT the most amount of change. (2:06) Recapping Maximus’ 4th Birthday Party. (14:59) The value of sign language for kids. (23:49) Effective natural methods to dispose of ants and other insects. (27:26) Big Pharma advertising spend game. (35:40) Glyphosates are EVERYWHERE! (43:13) The guy’s take on the Jonah Hill emotional abuse allegations. (46:30) It’s all about timing when it comes to elections. (50:03) Threads vs Twitter. (58:23) An update from Sal on the peptide BP-157. (59:04) An easy way to boost your protein is with Paleo Valley’s bone broth protein powder. (1:00:35) Shout out to Bret Johnson. (1:01:41) #ListenerLive question #1 – How do you reverse your diet if you’re mostly eating meat? (1:03:10)  #ListenerLive question #2 - Is it ok to jump from program to program? My goal is to gain back muscle definition. (1:15:48) #ListenerLive question #3 – How would you recommend getting back into working out after battling through a severe burnout? (1:29:01) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP15 at checkout for 15% discount** July Promotion: MAPS Starter | MAPS Starter Bundle 50% off! **Code JULY50 at checkout** Mind Pump #2112: Is 15 Minutes Enough Time For An Effective Workout? 10 Plants That Repel Bugs - Herbs, Shrubs, Flowers Insects Hate 70% of News Advertising Now Belongs to Big Pharma CDC finds toxic weedkiller in 87 percent of children tested Farming robot kills 200,000 weeds per hour with lasers What To Know About Jonah Hill's Emotional Abuse Allegations Video of Donald Trump Shaking Joe Rogan's Hand at UFC Fight "Mamas For DeSantis" Ad: "When You Come After Our Kids, We Fight Back” 100 Million Sign-ups In 5 Days. 8 Reasons Why Threads Is Blowing Up Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** MP Holistic Health MAPS 15 Minutes Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Bret Johnson (@bretjohnson11) Instagram Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk (@garyvee) Instagram  

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Why am I bringing this up again? Because I think we need to explain this better so that you understand why this is so important. By the way, I want to be very clear, doing the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change need to explain this better so that you understand why this is so important. By the way, I want to be very clear doing the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change is actually the way you get the most amount of change. There is no better way to do it. So follow it whether or not you want to get fast results or you just want to be consistent,

follow it. I'm actually glad you're going over this because I feel like sometimes when we say this that people go like, okay, I get it, that's the better way, but I still could do it the other way, the other way will be faster. That's right. That's how I feel like it's interpreted sometimes. They think that if you do the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change, you're compromising faster results somehow. Oh, that's the easier, but that's the better healthier way. Right. I still want to go the better way. No, it's the better, better, better, Yeah. No, that's the way you get the best results.

Bottom line. Now, why? Because you're in that adaptation sweep, sweet spot. You're not pushing recovery or what you can tolerate. It's all about adaptation. It's all about adaptation. And if you go through the rest of your life focusing on that, you're always going to train appropriately or at least you're going to get closer to life focusing on that, you're always gonna train appropriately, or at least you're gonna get closer to appropriate than it would if you're trying to see how much you can tolerate, how much work I can handle. And that just means better strength gains,

better fat loss, less joint pain, better mobility. It's the better way to approach it, regardless of what your goal is, if you wanna get their fast, low, or consistent, it's just better across the board. Not compromising anything in my point by making that, you know? Yeah, it's just better across boy, not compromising anything in my point by making that, you know? Yeah, it's just really mentally challenging when you think that fitness is this pursuit of all work, right? And so to be able to do a more effective job at getting better at work,

you got to do more, you got to do it more intensively. And so it's just kind of like it's a really hard concept to realize that you have to work with your body, which is, has all these checks and balances and balancing effects to it where you have to find that sweet spot that's actually been official to you. I'm still searching for the perfect analogy in something else that's like that. There's things like, I've used it, I've used the analogy around golf before, anyone who's golfed, you think that you want to go up there and like hit swing as hard as you can to get the ball go much further, but the irony is like backing off of that and actually swinging more properly and better connected.

Like you'll get, you'll go the ball the whole time further because yeah, I mean, if you're just constantly just swinging all the time, like you're going to reinforce bad patterns, which then again, your ball might be going further away from the target. I got an example. I was just watching cars, the movie cars on my son. He loves that movie, right? Yeah, he's pretty good.

And I think it's technology. Yes, no, I swear to God, this might be actually be good. So I think it's part two, where Lightning McQueen is, like he's cocky at this point. He's winning all the time or whatever. Maybe it was part one. It was part one. It was part one. It was part one. It was the first one where he's cocky at this point. He's winning all the time or whatever. Maybe it was part one. That was the last kid movie.

It was part one. It was the first one where he's just going and his pit crew is like, you gotta come in and change your tires. Like no, I'm gonna keep going. Yeah, that's the first one. And he blows his tire. Like if you watch NASCAR or Formula One,

they have to carefully calculate and measure when to do pit stops and when not to. And you would think for someone who's not experienced, just keep going as long as you can because you'll beat everybody he's doing the pit stops, but you'll end up losing, because your car gets destroyed. So you have to be perfect.

That's the point. The point is, you have to be perfect with it. And what happens, especially to people who are consistent, by the way, we communicate this so often because this happens to us all the time. I'm going through it right now. As you continue to work out, you'll naturally trend towards doing more and more and more.

It just starts to go that way and you start to push up against what you can tolerate, not necessarily what's most effective. I always, I hate to say, but it always surprises me. I cut the volume down, boom, better results, boom, get leaner, boom, and I always, oh, I have to shake my head. Why do I always do that to myself? So if you keep this in the back of your mind

when you're training, you're more likely to do it the right way. That's why it's such an important thing to create it. I think it's hard because, one, there's not a lot of other things that are like this. And then two, it really does depend on the audience or who I'm speaking to, whether I really emphasize this, right?

Because there's a clear divide of people in the like, you know, trying to pursue their health and fitness journey. You have one side that just can't stay motivated, aren't consistent, afraid to push themselves, right? They just, they hate working, they're that side. And then you have the other side that's like motivated to work out afraid to push themselves, right? They're just, they hate working, they're that side. And then you have the other side that's like motivated to work out, to change themselves,

or even borderline is in love with exercise and working out. And so if I'm talking to the group that I can't get to be consistent for one week, I'm not really worried about telling them to overreach too much because they've got plenty of room to increase intensity, volume, and everything else. But if I'm talking to the average person

who's highly motivated to change themselves or already borderline addicted to fitness, then that message is extremely important. I think it's where you tend to make your excuses, I think, tells you a lot. Like, do you make excuses as to why you need to work out more or why you need to work out so often or so hard? Or do you tend to make excuses as to why you need to skip workouts?, or why you need to, you know, work out so often or so hard, or do you tend to make excuses

just to why you need to skip workouts? That'll tell you a lot, right? If you're the person that's like, hey, I can't make it to that party, I gotta work out, or hey, you know, I know I'm on vacation, but I'm working out every day or whatever, and you're making excuses, then you're probably the person needs to scale back a little.

But if you're the one that's like, nah, I gotta miss you, I'm gonna miss another workout, I'm gonna miss this whole week, that big deal, let me miss some more, then you're probably the person needs to go a little harder. It's always that's like, Nah, I gotta miss you, I'm gonna miss another workout, I'm gonna miss this whole week, that big deal. Let me miss some more. Then you're probably the person needs to go a little harder. It's always that balancing act, right? Of the right amount, but literally, it's the least amount of work to elicit

the most amount of change. And that I think is, I can't think of a single better guiding principle when you think of long-term success, right? Besides being consistent or whatever. You know, one of the things that's helped me recently with that and I, those that have been listening to this show for, you know, more than three or four years, pre-COVID, I was like the, had to go workout in the gym guy, anti workout home person. And, and you guys

were always the workout home is so amazing. I'm like, no, no, no, gym, gym, like no way I work at home. Right. But once COVID hit and I was forced to work out at home, you know, on my little PRX setup, I found that there was some things that I did fall in love with. And it was this piece is I felt like it was okay for me to go in the garage and just do one or two exercises

and then go back to my day and then maybe revisit again or whereas in when I would go to the gym and I if I had a drive to the gym was like one I'm only going if I know I'm going to go train and then if I go train I'm going to go train for at least an hour or more I want to be in there I don't want to waste my time with one exercise and go all the way over there and so I think it limited my ability to do that. We're having the PRX at home. Now I have this like, okay, well, maybe I'll just do two exercises today. Or, oh, I should, you know, I should scale back to age. I really want to go all the way to the gym just to do this, you know, two or three things really light. Like, oh, I'll just skip it all together. We're now having access to the, my gym and my garage. I find myself

doing a better job at these principles. So I say, but for different reasons. So when I work out with just a squat rack, a barbell dumbbells and adjustable bench, okay, which the, like in here we have two PRX setups. And what's cool about PRX is it folds into the wall. So for people who don't know, you can still park your car in the garage and do all that stuff.

But when you pull it out, it's literally the most stable squat rack that you'll find because it's attached to the wall, boom, anchors and ground. But anyway, the reason why that encourages me to train properly is because I don't have 85 pieces of shiny equipment that I want to go distract you. Yeah, because if you think about it this way, if I gave you, if I said you can work out consistently,

but you have 10 exercises picked from, you're not going to put, you're not going to put any of these machines on there. It's going to be all the best, most effective exercises. Right. So, I mean, for the last, probably 15 years, a majority of my workouts have been done with that right there. And they've been the best workouts. And I've been working out for longer than 15 years.

I've been working out since I was a kid. Those are the best workouts because it encouraged me to do the bangers. Yes, it encourages me to stick to the effective stuff and to pay attention to that kind of stuff. Otherwise, I have all this equipment. I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna try that one. You just, let me try a little of that and I end up doing more than is necessary,

which actually takes away from my progress. Yeah, I noticed a bit kind of what Adam was talking about in terms of like having the ability to just go attack one or two exercises. And then I had to get over that psychologically of like if I stop and I interrupt my workout, like it's not doomed. So it's like everybody thinks like if something happens, like I can't be distracted, I have to have this devoted chunk of time to just be completely deliberate and focused and all that kind of stuff. And I finally allowed myself to not like keep thinking

on those lines and would go do errands, would be outside doing chores or like do something else productive else or come back downstairs, you know, do another two exercises. And by the end of the day, I've like completed a whole workout, but it's like, it wasn't that added amount of pressure

that this is gonna be like unusable. This is gonna be like not like an effective workout that way. You know what's funny about that? I can't wait. There's limited data on this because they really haven't done a lot of studies specifically on that. Okay, I want you to explain it, but they will, I'll make it, I'll say it right here, they will, because I've experienced this,

I've seen clients train like this, and then Olympic athletes have trained like this for a long time or experiences before, and some power lifters too. If you take your workout and you same workout and just split it up so it's done throughout the day, so instead of doing a one-one-hour session, let's say you did, you you know three 20-minute sessions or two 30-minute sessions or five or six 10-minute sessions,

let's just say. Not only is it it's not the same, it's actually better. You'll find that you'll actually get more strength gains, more muscle, more fat loss by dividing the workout up. So for people who are hardcore, who love going to the gym, unless you live next door to the gym, it's try this out, get yourself a home gym set up, basic, you don't need a bunch of stuff, and try that, try working out throughout the day. It's very convenient, by the way, too,

if you have it in your, obviously in your garage, especially if you're from home. Try it out and you'll get better results than if you do it all at once. Now, the drawback is it's actually inconvenient for a lot of people to do it that way because they don't have in the garage or they got to do other things, but for other people it's more convenient. Throw all that aside, it's actually more effective. Like try it. Try doing 10 sets of squats throughout the day versus all at once

or do your whole workout, split up throughout the whole day that way. Watch what happens. It's remarkable. Yeah, that's you speaking. That's you speaking in advance person. I think there's tremendous value too for the beginner because, you know, one of the hardest things if you ever fall on off for a while, the mental hurdle or the motivation it takes to get to the gym because you know

what that, how hard that person workout is. If I have this ability of like, oh, I've got it in my garage, like, oh, I don't need to make it into this daunting, real hard way. Oh, the first one goes, go, and then I'll go do two sets of something, and that's it. And then tomorrow I'll do three sets of something,

and then the next day I'll do four or five sets of something, and that ability and flexibility to be able to make that decision by having the access like that. I mean, I think that it has tremendous value for someone who's trying to, I think you would think like, oh, a home gym, you gotta be pretty hardcore into working out if you want a gym inside your house or access to that.

Where I think, no, you know what, for a beginner, I think it's as valuable, if not more valuable, for building that consistency. Yeah, you know, I had the, this is when I figured out the frequency model too, back to what we're talking about in terms of like training, we're Yeah, you know, I had the, this is when I figured out the frequency model too, back to what we're talking about in terms of like, training, we're frequently split up workouts, whatever, the fastest way I ever got to doing,

like, tons of put, like, pull ups, like, be able to do 30 pull ups, was literally doing, like, some pull ups every other hour. I'd have a pull up bar, and I would just jump up and do, not to failure, nothing crazy. I would just throughout the day,

I'd do a bunch of pull ups. I would just jump up and do, not to fail you or nothing crazy, I would just throughout the day I do a bunch of pull-ups. Man, my pull-up strength went, it elevated so quickly. It is rapid strength. Like it's crazy. Like you'll never experience, strength gains as fast as when you practice that way. And I learned it from a trainer,

I had this trainer that just, he bench pressed so much weight and I thought, I didn't know that he, this is just how he worked out. I thought that he was just falling around. But in between clients, he'd go out and do a few reps on the bench, and then you train a client. And all day long he was doing this,

and I thought he did that in addition to his work, I was like, no, that's all I do, man. I mean, I think it was bench like four or five or something all the time. Oh, dude. That's super crazy. Hey, how was your weekend? You bailed it at something party, huh?

Oh, dude. What's up? Sometimes we get a little overzealous with the little one. So we had a Saturday set up where we were gonna go, we were gonna drive from San Jose to Half Moon Bay for my brother's son's birthday. So that we would have been up there like 10, 30 in the morning, done the birthday thing there,

and then from there, drive down to Morgan Hill to go to Max's birthday. This is, remember, two little kids. Okay, naps all that shit, you know, trying to schedule it all at the never-hate. It just doesn't work, dude. Just tantrums already at the first party. Shit going down by the time we get in the car, I'm like, you know what, we're going home dude.

There's no way I'm going anywhere else because I'm going to end up giving these kids away to someone else. You missed an epic bubble dispute. What? I want Adam to describe the bubbleologist. We hired, so the things for his birthday, right? We did a taco guy, we did a snow cone machine, and we had a bubbleologist that came there.

What, a bubbleologist? Yeah, is that a real thing? No, I think it's a made up work. I'm pretty sure it's a made up work. Although she definitely made it sound like she was educated for that. So, Katrina found this thing online. We were trying to find like some cool,

like originally we were talking about having like somebody come dressed up as Bowser, knock on the door and bring, like we were like, let's do something kind of cool that the kids would get a kick out of. And so we were like looking at all these different things and Katrina found this bubble show. They make those giant bubbles. Those look cool.

They are cool, right? And so I told her, I was like, oh, that's a good idea. And like a bunch of four-year-olds, I think they're going to be all into it, so be great. And you have all these different options on what you pay for, and we got the main package where you have a show that like a bubbleologist comes and puts on this show for the kids, and then afterwards,

the kids can go bananas with all the bubble stuff, right? And so this girl gets there, and set lady and you know I'm walking out to her car to help her out and she's I'm asking her how long you work for the company and stuff. So actually not that long it's huge like there's lots of people I don't even know how to feel I'm like we say how you not know you don't know anybody that works well we contract right so it's this massive company all over like the United States and they they do these bubble shows everywhere and I'm assuming I didn't ask for this,

but I'm assuming that you get some sort of a probably weekend course and you get certified to do bubbles and now basically anybody can be a contractor and do bubbles, at least that's what it seemed like. So we get there and we get set up all of my garage and you know that feeling when you're listening to like a stand up comedian who is just bombing. Oh no.

And you're like, you are awkward. I mean, I want to step in and help. You know, it's like, it was so she couldn't get the bubbles to like, what? Yeah, every she'd bend over. Okay, so I remember, heavy set lady, every time she bends over to get the bubble thing going, it would pop. She's been over again. And she's like nervously talking about why it's happening

and making excuses for it. And originally without, oh, maybe there's a little bit of wind coming in so we closed the garage. We're in the seal garage. There's not a breeze anywhere. We're also we're all getting hot and dined in the garage, watching her enable to get a bubble going. And going through, and she's like,

got her phone for her notes on what's next, and it was just so awkward, and these kids, they're four, right? So as soon as she would get a bubble, five minutes, man. Yeah, and not only that, but it was like, she was like trying to teach them like the types of these three dimensional shapes, what was the real name of it?

And they're like, these kids don't give a shit about it. They're like, give her a tetrahedron. Every time she would actually make a bubble, they'd go, ooh, oh, the kids would be all into it. I'm like, stop talking, just make some bubbles and these kids are going insane. But instead, we had to watch this 20 minute, like just bomb session of like a presentation in a show

and it was really bad. And then finally, it was over. And then we took the kids to the backyard. We had all those big plastic, you know, like pools, and they'd fill it up with bubble stuff. And then all the cool was awesome. Yeah, gangbusters. And then the kids just had a ball.

For like the next hour they were doing their own thing and making bubble and just let them go. And that would, so that's an option. I wish we would looking back now. So anybody who's considering doing a bubble party, like we did, skip the show. Probably don't Google that. My something's gonna come up.

Not for adults. Bubble party. Oh my God. Yeah, I thought, I mean, you know what's interesting though, the science around bubble, have you guys ever read? Yeah, okay, I know you have Justin. He, he, he, he, he, he, he,

that's why I was actually, he's very cringe. Yeah, with the, that they the way that bubbles stick together, the shapes, and there's like a crazy science around both. So she was trying to teach that. Yeah, she's trying to teach that to these four year olds about how how you the bubbles can attach themselves together and how if you had a string here and you moved it up, it looks like it shrinks and it doesn't and just I mean, so it was like,

and now if she was teaching it and it was flowing well with her making a bubble, it would be cool. But she would go on this thing where she would talk about it and then she'd go to do it and she couldn't do it. So it was like, this is really bad right now. Just all the geometric patterns and all that. It forms and it's all based off of like the, it was the coldening. And yeah, yeah. Yeah, so yeah, the Fibonacci sequence and all that, it forms and it's all based off of the gold.

Surface tension, yeah. Yeah, so the Fibonacci sequence and all that. So it's like all, yeah, so there's lots of cool science that you could have incorporated that. But yeah, for that crowd, the highlight was when Justin got inside and she did a bubble over him. And I told him I paid him $100 before me. I tried so hard because she was telling the kids.

So she would do this thing, right? Where she had the kids and she would raise it over him and then she would tell him to blow. So the kids would be inside a bubble and then blow through the wall and then would make a bubble or like that. And so Justin gets up there and say, oh, go 100 bucks if you fart

because she's behind him doing the f**k. Also, was she in the bubble too? Yeah. Just wrapped in that little layer and bus. Also, she had the bubble. Yeah. Just wrapped in a little layers of Justin would double bubble. Did it just like out in the middle of bubble? Like right behind me at the same time. All of a sudden he gets opaque. What's in the middle? A lot of percent.

That was the highlight of the 20 minute show was teasing, teasing with Justin when Justin got in there to make the bubble. And then it was like, it was an epic. But then Max had a good time. Hi. He had a blast. He was really, I was like it was an epic. But the max had a good time. Hi. He had a blast. He was, I was actually really proud of him. You know, I've shared before, you know, with previous birthdays, how my son just gets a little

overwhelmed and we had 50 plus people at the house. I mean, it was, the house was full. It was packed and it was cracking. It was loud and it was, but he had a blast, man. He did great. Yeah. Had a good time and that's so awesome. And exactly what I didn't want. Thousands of presents. Yeah. blast, man. He did great. Yeah, had a good time and. That's so awesome. And exactly what I didn't want.

Thousands of presents. You know, so. Yeah. So many toys. Literally my business partner's the only ones that listen. Like everybody else in the family ignores, ignores what I ask. Every year I say, single dude. Stop pal for my son.

Please, stop pal for my son. Just get him. I don't care if you spend $5. Just fucking put some money towards his future. What do I like that? No toys. Can't do like that? No, toys. Can't do that, can't do that. No toys.

And then I got this, you know, I've got parents that didn't do much for me as a kid. So they feel like they got to overcompensate for my son. So, and they won up each other. So they're dropping like a grand for you. I'm saying of like toys and stuff like that. I'm just like, come on. Is it all like age, inappropriate?

So a new car, you know, it's like a drive for two. My dad, my stepdad, I'm just like, come on. Is it all, is all like age inappropriate? So, a new car, you know, like, so I can drive for two. My dad, my step-dad, I'm parked out back. My dad gets this basketball hoop for like 16-year-olds. I'm like, you think I haven't been trying to get my son to play basketball like more than anybody, you know what I'm saying? That's all I think about.

And I'm like, I can't even get him to be interested in it. And you get a full size, you know, what you're gonna call that goes up and down? Glass backboard, like the 10 footer. What am I gonna do with this right now? At least I'm so glad. You're talking about me. I'm so glad Wifey stepped up and was just like,

yeah Larry, please leave that in the box. Don't take it, because he wanted to put it together and she's like, yeah, just leave it in the box. We'll do it later. Like 16 years later. You're gonna say. You're gonna say it. It's if he has for it. like, yeah, just leave in the box. We'll do it later. Like like 16 years later. You know what I'm saying? So, it's a little...

If he asked for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we were at my brother's party earlier that day and my family has changed so much in the last few years because all like my brother and my cousins, everybody's having kids. And right now, one of my cousins, his wife is pregnant about to have one. My brother his wife is pregnant about to have one.

My brother's wife is pregnant about to have one. So it's just exploding. So the parties have changed so much. Where they used to be just like adults and like a couple kids. Now it's all kids. Like run around acting crazy, moms, dads chasing around. So it's for that now and the structure around. It's fun, it's hectic, it's great, but it's cool. It's totally different. It's totally different. Yeah, it's for that now and the structure it around. It's fun, it's hectic, it's great, but it's cool.

It's totally different, it's totally different. Yeah, it's awesome. So what led to the breakdown with the tantrum to subite that was? Well, it was cold, because so cold over there. So the temperature difference between San Jose and Hathamun Bay, it's like I'm on another planet. Oh yeah, yeah.

It was like 85 up there, it was 50 or 55 with wind. Yeah. So we're like cold, the babies can't sleep because it's too whatever. And I'm underneath that heat lamp trying to help we're get sleep. My two year old, you know, two year olds don't play well together.

They know how to play on their own together, but not play together. They're like little dictators. Yes. So like, you know, my son gets a car, starts playing with cars. Well, now that's the car that his cousin wants and the other little boy wants

and they all start fighting over and the parents come over. You need to share and I'm like telling them, no, no, no, it's your kids' toy. Don't force them to share. But if you want to take turns, it's okay. So then my son's crying. Everybody's crying.

Then I pull him aside and then he freaks out. And then I got, and then finally I had to like, resort to like, bribing him. I'm like, hey buddy, do you want me to, I know we didn't bring you any toys, I'm sorry. Do you want to go buy a toy? Yeah, so we walked out, I walked to a store, found some toys to buy, I brought them back,

but that helped the little bit. Dude, my daughter, my seven month old trip off this, seven months old. So one of the best things that Jessica did with, or two and a half year old, was she taught him how to sign language before he could speak and it's amazing because before a child develops the motor skills and coordination to form words they can communicate they still can communicate they just use signs so she's been doing

this a little bit with Dalia and she can sign milk to us and we thought it was a fluke but no legit she does this no I do want milk and she can sign milk to us. And we thought it was a fluke, but no legit, she does this. No, it's not. Do you want milk and she goes like this? Oh, wow. And then we give it to her. And we've tested it like seven times now. Which is so cool that you have a seven-month-old baby,

this little chubby baby. She's doing it, yeah. Yeah, this little chubby baby, you think there's no way that it's communicating that she's hungry. So wild. You just perhaps, it was funny for, it was funny in the moment for us. You guys will laugh because of this this point You're making we're in the jacuzzi last night or the night before last my best friend and I were bullshit and talking sports

I'm like that's like 10 o'clock at night and the wives both our wives went in the house to go make something to eat and we've been talking for like 20 minutes Later, we're like, dude, I thought they were gonna bring us food out there and you can see you know from my back window You can see the jacuzzi from the kitchen or what that. And so he's doing this. Oh, he's doing this. Yeah. Oh, the children sign.

So she totally does this. Yeah, she's signing back. Yeah, she does the red bag. Give it a go. I'm gonna give it a go. It was so fun. You had to be a dad, right? Who teaches the kids sign like I used to think that's funny. And so it started cracking up. That's hilarious. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you teach them a word, and they'll say it wrong, but then that's how they say it for a while, so you as a parent know what they mean

when they say it. Oh, he means water, he means food. I don't know why I don't realize this with the railiest, but it's obvious. When he was a baby, we teach him a sign, but then he'd do it in a weird way, and we didn't understand him, because I thought I didn't realize they would do that

with sign language too. Of course, yeah. So for the longest time, I was a spirit of time, or my son was doing the sign where he would go like this to his mouth. He want to water. Poor kid. I keep giving him food. Here's the food. And he's like, he, ah, and I'm like, we keep telling me you want food. And eventually I figured it out. Like, poor kids, but thirsty. So I've been giving him food instead. But they'll do the same thing. They'll make up their own or they'll change it a little bit and, you know, I'm trying to do the little thing. So, hey off subject, but I was just thinking about something that I wanted to ask you guys

if you guys knew this or not. So we are battling ants right now because of the heat. So I don't know if any of you guys have got some ant stuff going on. You guys don't have pest people come? Yeah, we do. So they come actually tomorrow to come, uh, re-spray and stuff like that. So yeah, we do that like quarterly or annually, it depends on how it is. And so we haven't since we've been at this place and, could they come out to you? But in the meantime, I didn't know some of these things. You know, like,

Raid is not a good idea. And not for like the kid reasons, but not because it's not effective with ants. Okay. So it just kills them on contacting that. So, so, and also stomping. So I didn't know this. So I thought maybe you guys might, and if not, here's some fascinating information for you that I found very fascinating after talking to the ant exterminator or whatever. You don't want to use spray raid because if you spray raid,

they smell that chemical smell, and it puts off something that alerts the other ants, and they just move the colony somewhere else and it's not a good idea. Same thing goes for if you step on ants. Oh, they smell it. If you step on it, they admit something. So the move is to wipe them up with a wet towel

and flush them or run them down the drain or what I like that, or vacuum them up and dump them somewhere else. Well, that's funny. We'd vacuum them a lot. Yeah, that's the move. So don them a lot. Yeah, that's, that's a move. So don't smash them and don't spray raid, which I was totally spraying raid all over my house.

I remember what stuff I had. There was something too that we had found that they would actually like eat it. Yeah, take it and they would bring it back to the call. That's the fact that it's a jelly, it killed all of them. That's a jelly suggested that. She goes, little gel packet.

She also said the hack for the killing and spraying is the spray windex. Windex neutralizes that chemical release or whatever like that. So she's like, the hack is the same thing. So we have a sandbox in the backyard, full sand, obviously the kids play in and Ants got into it and some bugs or whatever. And so I couldn't use poison. What am I gonna do? I can't put poison and my kid's gonna go play in there.

So I went online and researched what to do because I didn't want to have to like throw out all the sand, buy new sand, it's big pain, the ass or whatever. So I read on there that cinnamon and peppermint oil. Peppermint oil, yeah. It repeels them. So here's what I did and it totally works.

Now I have to redo it like once a week or once every the week, but if I do this, no bugs are going near the sand pit. So I bought a chemical free pest deterrent, which is made essentially with peppermint oil. So I spray peppermint oil around the sandbox, then I got ground cinnamon, and I mixed it with the sand, so there's ground cinnamon in there. And then I spray the peppermint oil around the sandbox, then I got ground cinnamon,

and I mixed it with the sand, so there's ground cinnamon in there. And then I spray the peppermint oil in the sand. And if I do that, no bugs at all get in there. They'll touch it, nothing. Now if I wait like two, three weeks, then eventually start getting in, but then I repeat it again,

and within a few hours the bugs leave. They don't like cinnamon. It reminds me of what I was, were you, did I share that on the show Was it just us talking off air about the different plants that I said I want to oh yeah, I think you mentioned off Did I was off air right so I don't think Sal heard be talking about this so I've saw this like crazy The spider that I haven't seen before at my house in my California room and So I right away got online like some of the natural ways for me to look for this.

And they actually have a list of like 10 different plants that like repel insects spiders, mosquitoes. Yeah, and it's all the plants that have these real potent smells. Lavender, basil, yeah, a padding peppermint well was on there. There's all these types of plants that admit those like real strong potent smells. If you keep those in your house or near... Or on your sector side. Yeah, it's a way to repel spiders and bugs. Of course humans like it. I'm gonna spray this on the skill.

Yeah, it's like, hey, it's like weed. Weed produces like THC to protect itself from UV rays. Humans are like smoke it. This is the best. This is great. Yeah, but it makes me think like that would be, I mean, and lavender and all those things are like good looking. This is the best. This is great. Yeah, but it makes me think like that would be, I mean, and lavender and all those things are like good looking plants and they smell good.

So like an idea would be to probably pot some plants around there and it'll probably even help keep them. Wow. So looking at them. We do have some basil and all that kind of stuff, but yeah, we've had a real bad mosquito problem. It's been like, it was a little bit noticeable like the year before, but like this year is like,

they're like gang busts. So do you have to have professionals come out and treat like like, I would assume. So I was looking into other products. Like there was some kid, I guess some college kid that came up with this like, I don't know if it was like electric one. Electric, I saw that, I saw that ad pod.

And I was like, I wonder if it's legit or not. I was like, this is just some good marketing, I wonder if it's legit or not. I was like, oh, this is just some good marketing. But I'm willing to look at other options because it's like the mosquitoes themselves, I went all around the property and I looked at all the usual suspects with when you have a dead water. Yeah, we went through and drained all that or we would put soap in there and other stuff

to kind of like kill any larva that was in there and bleach. But yeah, so that was it. There's still comment. I think it's from the local creek and some of the areas a little further than us. What animals eat frogs and stuff? Frogs, so you know. So there's some of these plants.

I'm gonna send the list. It was 10 plants. And they like the lemon grass. There's a bunch of other ones that like repel mosquitoes, but all these bugs. So I'll send that over to you. The other thing that I've seen that helps too, is this such like a dad conversation.

You know? Good time, we just like, I just was like, it's just done on the right now. No, next is like, you got to shortcut, you know, to get over to like, lawn care real quick. Yeah, it's like, or a barbecue conversation. You're like, oh my God, I'm such a loser.

You guys get those shoes with those places. I love those shoes. It's so convenient. I'm talking about it. I do. It's so bad. But anyways, back to it for the other, the dads that will appreciate this conversation.

You know, the other thing that actually helps, Justin, it doesn't get rid of them, but I know it's a huge difference with just having air moving. So by having to put it like an oscillating fan, or if I don't know if it's an enclosed air, wherever you're at, but just where air is moving, it's like where the air is stale

and sitting still like that, they congregate like that, whereas if you're least blowing air in that area, they won't kind of sit in that area. Well, miscutus or legit problem. They're not like, they carry disease for sure. So they're not like just the pests. They're a big problem. And some parts of the world, they're a major problem.

Well, yeah, now they've like created like some Frankenstein. Whatever happened to that, you brought that up on the show like. They did it, like a year ago. They unleashed them. They did. In Florida, right? There's other places too.

And I think there's like weird shit popping up. Well, here's where my cacles come up up to because I've heard of like some cases of Malarion Florida. Yes, and I'm like all of a sudden All of a sudden that's not good. By the way, what are the cat? Does anybody know what cacles are? What's a cacle? Dogs get like this like is that what that is? When your hair sticks out. Yeah, I think that's what they're talking about I don't know why I thought it was like Again, I you got the fact check me, but there you find out so many lost Doug. So what's what's cackel? What's a cackel? I mean I spell it. Yeah, it's a CA it's not cockle. No

You mistaken You're hey makes your cockles go up holy shit. Oh, hey Vagra it's just to find as a harsh sound when laughing. It's a harsh sound when laughing? Yeah, the harsh laugh resembling cry of a hen or a goose. I want to see somebody laugh like that. And that's totally wrong. It's not like an actual thing then.

I want to see somebody laugh with a cackling. Oh, that's cackling. But put in the phrase, my cackles are up. That's different. You're thinking cackling, I know what that is. Wait, there might be a different name, a similar. Haccles? We're probably using it wrong.

Maybe cacoles. It's hacoles? God damn it. Oh, it's hacoles. We can't even do it right, Justin. I know you meant those. It's been hacoles this whole time. I think I said that before.

Nobody's corrected me. Thank you guys. The hair's on the back of the neck and the back of a guys. The hair's on the back of the neck, in the back of a dog. The hair's on the back of a neck. Yes. Hackles. It's bitchies. It's your cackles.

Cackles? Oh my god. I think we've all been saying that for a long time. I don't even got to know. I was in hackles before. New to the revile. New to the guy. I get angry when I say the wrong thing.

All right, I'm gonna take a, I'm gonna take a son of a turn here for a second. I was listening to a podcast. You brought this statistic up before Adam, and I was really thinking about this, and something really dawn on me. And it might be obvious to a lot of people, but it wasn't super obvious to me

until I sat down and really thought about it. So you brought the statistic up, but so you probably know the answer. What percentage of all advertising? Oh, this is crazy. It goes to pharma. Yeah, yeah. What percentage of all advertising goes to pharma? Yeah, yeah. What percentage of all advertising goes to pharma?

I think it's like 80%. 70%. Oh my God. So all advertising, all advertising money out of all of it, 70% of it comes from pharmaceutical companies. Now that by itself, you kind of hear that and you go, well, I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. I mean, they're big companies.

They make a lot of money. They give out the content that's, you know, affected by that because of or put it in perspective with anything else. Like put it in person, like match it against anything else that's advertised. Right. Nothing is in the same universe. Here's where it gets crazy and close. This is where my brain was like, oh, shit.

I didn't even think about this. Okay. Why do companies spend money on advertising? To begin with, it's to influence the consumer, right? If you spend a lot of money on advertising, it's because you wanna create a narrative, you wanna sell your product, you wanna, you basically are trying to make money by advertising

your product and advertising as many, many different ways to do so, but it costs money to do so. So there's that, but here's the deal. Formaceuticals, consumers don't go buy pharmaceuticals. I can't go to the store and buy a prescription pharmaceutical. I can't. In fact, has anybody gone shopping for pharmaceuticals besides when you go to Mexico? No. Because you have to go through your doctor. So who the hell they advertising to? Doctors? Are they advertising to doctors on TV? Is there that many doctors

where they're going to spend 70% of all advertising to advertise a doctor? Is there that many doctors where they're gonna spend 70% of all advertising to advertise a doctor? No, it's just, you're aware of the name brands, so that way too. You can either ask or if the doctor brings up, like, oh, I've heard of that. Not even close, because that would be still be a small amount. Like when you go to the doctor

and the doctor prescribes you something, nine and a 10 times, you're like, well, I've heard of this other drug that also does, most people are like, okay, thanks, Doc. I'll look at my prescription. Yeah, we trust you, whatever. Here's why. Okay.

All that money goes to a network, and especially to a news network. If you're a pharma company, and you're giving Fox or CNN or NBC, 70% of their revenue. They're not gonna share any of the bad stories about your shit. You have influence.

One, this is entirely, because if you're a company, why would you spend money to add to the logs? It's away for the Nalabi. 100%. If you were a company trying to advertise, and you're not even getting consumers through your advertising because they have to go through several gatekeepers with pharmaceutical drugs. The whole point, the whole reason why they do this is because now we are funding NBC or

CBS or CNN or Fox, whatever, three-letter acronym news network. We can control them. We can control them. Yeah. And they are not. Even indirectly, even if you don't have any backdoor or any shake, it's like, listen, this is 70% of our revenue stream advertising wise, we are not going to put that story out that that whatever said drug just killed that, you know that little girl or what that would be an awful headline.

How do we allow this? Every other country knows that that would be the case. There's only New Zealand's, the only other country that even allows pharmaceuticals to advertise. Here's the deal. I'm usually against regulations against stuff like that, but in this case, here's why I may I would support it. It's a comfort of interest. Well, it just, it doesn't make sense. You're advertising to who.

Your consumer has to go through their doctors. Now you guys want to spend money talking to doctors and hospitals. That's fine, but wouldn't be on television or the internet and stuff like that, but it doesn't make any sense unless the goal, which makes perfect sense, is to simply have influence over these networks. So, when a journalist wants to go on an investigative report on this reports on these drugs or vaccines or name it, then the network may be like, hey, why don't you not do that?

Because they pay like everybody's salary or probably not a good idea, or you lost your job. Shame everyone who's skeptical. Dude, I was thinking about this a lot, and I was like, holy shit, that's the only reason. I'm like, who the hell buys pharmaceutical prescription drugs as a consumer? You have to go through your doctor, your doctor gives it to you,

and I've never done that. I've personally never done that. If a doctor prescries me something, I'm not like, well, there's this other one. I never, either. I always heard about the subject, you always forget the name. That's why. You do, I don't know how many times I've seen like a psoriasis commercial, and I'm like, oh, I'd ask my doctor read it. I was heard about the central. You always forget the name, that's why. Yeah, I don't know how many times I've seen like a serisus commercial and I'm like, oh,

I'd ask my doctor by the time I get to, I'd never remember. By the way, they're running out of names to make up. Have you noticed that? Like a lot of these drugs, I know. It's just like, man, the, the, like, I feel like they just have like one of those apps that just randomly grabs like a few different letters and smashes them together. But, but even then, like, I think I've done it a couple times where I'll ask the doctor, hey, I've heard about this, whatever, and the doctor will say, well, actually this is better.

Because whatever, and I'm going to, you know, you're the doctor. So, okay, you know, I kind of believe you or whatever. So it's 100% to have influence over these networks. And this is why, today, the largest lawsuits ever paid out were done by pharmaceutical companies who knowingly put out drugs that they knew were killing people for other reasons. And this is what they had to pay out billions of dollars for. And they continue to do this shit.

Well, isn't the third largest killer too? Yeah, doctors? No, pharmaceuticals. Pharmaceuticals. Yeah, use. No, no, no, no. Pharmaceuticals. Pharmaceuticals. You prescription. Not, not, not, not. That's what I mean. I prescribed drugs.

That's what I meant, right? That's right. That's the third largest, right? That's right. That's crazy. I know. Hard attacks and then, yeah. I know.

It's crazy. So it's, again, it's, the counter to that is these like, class-assual lawsuits, which can take a long time, you know, to kind of build up. And what happens if you're, here's why this is important for people listening right now. If you have, like, let's say you have a million people all using a particular medication, and let's say it's a heart medic, I'm just going to make up a scenario. It's a heart, it's for cholesterol or to improve your blood lipids or whatever.

And you notice that your eyesight is kind of getting worse, just some random thing. You may not connect it to the drug. You're getting older, this is kind of weird, my eyesight's getting worse, this isn't making any sense. But now imagine if that's you and you're watching a news channel and the news channel is like doing investigative reported, hey, all these people who are taking this drug struggle reporting this very strange symptom. Well, now you're going to connect the dots and people can start connecting the dots and things get figured out much sooner. Before it like a class action lawsuit or something crazy would need to happen.

But that wouldn't happen because these companies, these networks are reluctant to even pursue these stories because that's how they make their money. That's it. I know, dude. I was tripping. I wonder how much time they're funding just like that. I wonder how many times too, it's like a bit of a double edge sword too though, even for the pharmaceutical company. Now they're in bed with this network and now they better keep paying because if they don't pay

and then as a network, you might decide to start telling all those stories. So it's like, once we shake on this deal that we're pulling to be pumping this much money, it's like we're in bed with you for the long haul because easily can do that. Like, oh, you advertise for a year from, oh, now that we're not advertising more, we're gonna tell stories all about

all your shit for the last year or so. It's a game, dude. But 70%'s a lot. Oh, I'm, when I saw that, I saw that. And I bet you it's more for news networks. That's 70% total. But I bet if you go to news networks, it's closer to 80%.

What was the stat that I just shared with you guys that Dr. Cabral shared, oh, the glyphosate. That was crazy to me. Oh, man. What was the 87% of children you're in tested? Have glyphosate in it? Yes, dude, it was over, I think it was over 80%. I believe it was 80% or so.

I believe it was. I know. You know what sucks about that. 87% right here. Glyphosate was found in 87% of children tested. They tested like 600 and something, random kids or what do I thought, an 87%. Now you can reduce your exposure by eating

only organic foods and stuff, but the problem is that this glyphosate, this is what they spray on GMOs, right? It's so provisive, though, yeah. It's water soluble, so some of it gets back in the air and then rains down. Yeah. And so you'll see it. And this is why when you buy organic foods or supplements,

you don't just want them to be organic. You also want them to be tested to be glyphosate residue free. Did you guys see that level. Did you guys see that? Did you guys see that laser tractor for pests? I did. So how does that work? I do, and I was watching a video, and I had real briefly before we had started.

It's just lasers. I don't know who posted about it. I can't remember. Let's have some detective sensor detect. Cause how would it like to delineate what the creature, yeah, the movement or the... The movement or something. The shape of something.

Maybe the laser itself is not hot enough or something to kill the plant, but it does... But a bug? It does kill the bugs. I mean, I don't know how the video I saw kill the... Kill the critters or just kill bugs. I think it was bugs. Yeah, I think it's bugs. I don't think it does like, I don't know if it does pass like rodents.

Okay. The W-Wild. There's no way that it would make I don't know if it does pass like rodents. Okay, the W wild. There's no way a laser that kills a rodent, but it doesn't kill a plant. How cool would that be if you had a robot laser killing like rats and shit in your property? Yeah. Well, I imagine it's a healthier way to mitigate the past. So it'd be interesting to see what. Yeah, I'd love it if it worked. Yeah, because you can minimize chemicals. Maybe Doug could look that up laser. Is it pesticide?

Yeah, do your pesticide, laser acro, you know, crop, laser, pest crop removal, I'd say something like that. You go, I did see the video though, it looked pretty rad. Yeah, it was just driving over the plants and just zapping everything. I didn't know if that was like a manufacturing, you know, like anything's real anymore, right? It's like, I watch a video now and like,

I always pump my brakes before I get to, so I'm like, well, this could be totally manufactured. Who knows if it's even a real video? No, no, it's just like going to space. Yeah, that is real. That's very real. I could have swore, listen. Oh, God, that was so close.

We're not gonna go off the tangent. I just, I had to throw a jab in there. I promised this one, and I'm winning right now. 30 seconds. We have it recorded. I'm almost positive you said trips to the moon. I did say that.

What I said was that they already had that going on. Like I made the bed about space. But when you add the bed was a to moon. No, it wasn't. No, because I brought up a story that it was. We haven't recorded it. We can find it. I thought the bet was people will make trips to the moon.

To the moon. Before a robot washes dishes. Right. Not just space. Anyway, we'll find out. It's fine. I know. Everybody's going to rise right now.

Not again. All right, we're done. We just find it. We can find it, Doug. There's stuff here. I'm just trying to find the exact thing that you're referring to. Do you know who posted it? I don't remember who it was. That posted it.

Someone shared it. Anyway, let's talk real quick about something that's gone viral. Did you guys see this whole thing with Jonah Hill and his ex-girlfriend? No. Yeah, no. I haven't seen this. Okay, so this is so, I don't know, man. This is kind of weird. Okay, so Jonah Hills ex-girlfriend posts a bunch of tweets that Jonahill sent her, and she said he was, he did emotional abuse to her. He was a narcissist, like a narcissistic sociopath, and she posted the tweets between them, okay? Now, here's a deal.

That's what it was, a narcissistic misogynist. That's what she called it. Okay, now I read the tweets, and I'm like, oh, they don't sound, like they sound kind of like fine. They sound okay. Now I don't know the relationship. There could be a lot of stuff going on but basically

He said to her like so she posts. She's a surfer. She posts pictures of herself surfing in this and that and he says he goes I respect your love of surfing but I respect myself as well and your love of surfing and being in those situations a lack of awareness Or not mutually exclusive. This isn't me I have my own issues I own. If you want marriage and family you can't use the 25 card. Step up and cut shit.

These people don't get your time or your kindness or the sacrifice of mine and then he gives her like look this is what I want. He goes this is plain and simple. If you need to be able to surf with men, boundary lists inappropriate friendships with men, to model, to post pictures of yourself and a bathing suit to post sexual pictures, friendships with women who are in unstable places and from your wild recent past,

beyond getting a lunch or coffee, I am not the right partner for you. If these things bring you to a place of happiness, I support it and there will be no hard feelings, but these are my boundaries for romantic partnership. That's what he texted her. That's what she posted. That's what she posted. She posted that.

You know, it's bad is that she posted that as toxic and bad. That's not bad at all, right? And that's like, we might have to break up type of conversation. It seems pretty like respect. He's establishing what he's looking for. I can't imagine communicating well. Now the argument is part of why this went viral. Is it because it is not bad and everybody's light in this world? establishing, yeah, what he's looking for. I can't imagine communicating well. Now the argument is part of why this went viral

is it because it is not that and everybody's lightness. No, there's arguments on both sides. Wow. So some people are like, so he met her when she was the surfer, posting pictures of herself and her bathing suit and stuff.

And he went into her DMs and flirted with her. Sure. And so people are like, what a hypocrite. He lacked her then but not now. And I'm like, well, hold on a second. He liked the single girl doing that stuff, but if they're gonna get serious and get married, now you have to, and that's very,

that's very, that's totally reasonable. Like there's a way you act when you're single, and whatever, and then there's a way that you act when you're with a partner. So to me, that's still reasonable. I don't know, people were saying it's controlling, but I'm like, it's not controlling. You've been dealing with the option., that's still reasonable. I don't know. People were saying it's controlling, but I'm like,

it's not controlling. You can deal the option. Yeah. So I don't know, man. You just basically saying I'm out if you don't wanna do it that way. Yeah. So how is that controlling?

I don't know, man. I don't know. That's what you give a fuck around with a 25 year old too. How old is he? He's our age, is he our age? He's teaching so. Yeah, what are you doing with a 25 year old dude? Come on.

He's still controlling. He's a narcissistic massage. Now yeah, what are you doing with a 25 year old? Yeah, come on. He's so controlling. He's a narcissistic massage. Now, we don't know behind the scenes. You may be really clever with that, but based on those texts, I was like, why are people trying to, why are you just basing it off of that? That sounds pretty rational. It sounded very rational to me.

Yeah. I don't know. It's weird. It's weird how people are mad about that kind of stuff. Did you see any, I saw a little video on clip but I didn't see any response from the internet. I saw Trump was at the UFC fight and I saw the infamous handshake that he did with him

where it looks like he's trying to get Joe to bring, because Joe's refused to put Trump on the show, right? Is that, I think so. Yeah, I think so. I thought I heard that Trump is wanted to get on his show for a long time and... I think initially he was entertaining the idea of it and then... Yeah, I've heard him say he doesn't really want to do that as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think he... To me, I would be the most viewed... Oh, for a while, I'll tell you. He doesn't care, though. He's on the Oprah of podcasting or whatever. I think that it would be great to hear a debate open podcast form like with him and Biden or him and whoever's in a run Like I think that would be in interesting a shit that and then Media by Joe that would be also by just giving Trump the platform for an hour

I don't know like if if it's long form like that you have to get through all the one liners and all of your Okay, so if you're an anti-Trump guy you should be pro that because then you're you have to walk your way through everything yeah he will hopefully be able to poke holes in all of it but i actually think you'd work in trump i still stand by my my theory i think that he's the the uh the the best chance the democrats have at winning and they really want Trump to win the primary and they've resurrected him as such they want him to see that because he to win the primary and they've resurrected him as such. They want him to see that because he will win the primary because he's got such a strong base. He is very unlikely to win a general because people hate him so much. So many people hate him.

So I think that they want him. That's what I think. Yeah, I think they want him to win the primary. So at what point? And to start saying we're not that far away. So at what point will we hear like the official who's all running? A lot of people wait till, I didn't realize they wait this long.

Yeah, they do because if you're the front runner now, yeah, you've explained this. You get attacked, they come after you right away. Yeah, like the Santas was way up high, but because he was way up high and people knew he was gonna run, they've been attacking and he's fallen quite a bit. So if you look at like presidential elections,

the initial leaders tend to fall off as the election. That's why there's that what they call the October surprise, right before the election, where they drop a bomb, and there's not enough time to counter it and influence it. It's all about timing. They've spent billions of dollars on perfecting the manipulating tactics manipulating tactics of the effects. Just seeing you showed me that one campaign video,

DeSantis put out. That one was possible. Oh, that was really, I was like, wow, they didn't watch it. I should've heard. They were really paying tag on the emotions of people. It was about pissed off moms. They're coming for your kids, type of kids. Oh my God, it was like, fire.

I'm like, that is crazy. That is effective political life. It is very effective. Really? Oh, interesting. Did you just happen to watch it on TV or did you see it? No, it was trending on Twitter. Yeah, and I watched it and I listened to it.

I'm like, ooh, if you get spicy, if you can rally moms, whole you're done. Because they are the organizers. You get moms to really, really. I would imagine they're probably a big base of the voting too, I would think. They are, but it's more about, if you can rally moms together,

about their kids, they get together, they take it, they take it, they take it. They're family, they'll organize. They will organize. Yes, you don't fuck with the ones out on the street. That's a face that'll crush. What do you guys, are you guys paying attention right now? The threads versus Twitter?

Are you guys watching this? No, I mean, I know. Oh, they had like so many. Yeah, they had like record downloads. Oh, millions, yeah. Oh, yeah, I think it was like 17 million like instantly. No, they were maybe more now. Last time I checked, there were 50 million or something.

Yeah, something huge. Well, look it up for us Doug right now. Look at it at 100 million. Yeah, now here's the thing though. Yeah, now here's the thing though. It because it was a one click thing from Instagram. Yeah, that's, but it's gonna, the proof will be in the the usage.

The usage and that, did you see Elon, have you seen Elon's tweets bro I didn't think I could like him anymore Tell me that one was real in regards to what I'm talking about or something else the Zuck is a He's a lot of how did he really tweet that cuz he did I laughed for a while now he's just being at the fight right so a hundred million signups in the first week yeah that is in insane wow yeah bro did you hear what I said though?

You know, literally Tweet. That's Zuck is the cut. I mean, at this point, it's, what, who does that, bro? Well, I mean, it goes back to what we talked about before and I was like, this is all self promotion, right? This is all about right now. You have two guys that are battling,

now they're actually literally battling companies, like heads out. It's a direct shot. Threads is literally a almost a carbon copy of Twitter. Which I actually heard there's some lawsuits involved, right? Sure, I'm sure that he is. So it's like it is a direct shot across the ballot, Twitter. And so I'm really interested to see what this does.

I mean, that's gotta be pretty threatening for Elon to see them come out with a product that is that potential user, they're not going to move from that platform that they use probably the most. So to have that as an option, I could see, I mean, there's power in that for sure. I've already, I've already posted on threads more than I posted on Twitter and I've had my Twitter account for I don't even know how long right. and it's just it is nice because we we and Obviously were unique like we're mostly on Instagram and so I'm already on that platform and it's a easy Connection and it speaks to threads easily so I can bounce back and forth

So I don't know man. Well, it's so they already said I'm yeah, I'm scrolling through his tweets because there's some other he calls them lizard boy I like Twitter, but yeah, I'm scrolling through his tweets because there's some of the calls on lizard boy and like he knows how to talk shit is why I like so funny. He did. Okay, so threads already said that they're gonna focus more on like culture and like you know popular culture, what's happening media and they're going to down whatever they call it down regulate or reduce the visibility of political and serious. So they're gonna to down whatever they call it, down regulate or reduce the visibility of political and serious- So they're going to censor.

So they're trying to make it like entertaining fun Twitter. Whereas Twitter is- It's still the place where you're going to go be controversial, say what you want, type of deal. That's the purposely doing that. Yeah, I mean, so what do you think? Do you think that's a smart strategy? I think it's a pretty smart strategy.

I think it's a smart strategy. I do think it's interesting how I feel like, I don't know, this is obviously not enough, this is true, but Zuckerberg did say, and it has been revealed that the government did have some influence over meta and what they did. I feel like he's their little boy and they're telling him like, we got to take out Elon, let's do this. Let's do that. Yeah, yeah. You know, type of deal and make a copycat and then, you know, we got to crush them. And then we'll protect you.

Yeah. It would be wild to see what happens with these losses. Because didn't they have, didn't they like recruit a bunch of like Twitter people over? And they had all these, they had all these like personal stuff. 20 engineers made threads in nine months. Wow. Nine months, they boom, spit it out.

And it's ready to go. I know, it's crazy what they can do now. I mean, I like it. I mean, I'm not a fan of Zuck and I like Elon better, but as far as the platform is concerned, I like the threads platform right now. I do. I just like the, I like it.

It's more like what? I haven't used it that much. It's just like Twitter. It's not that much different, but the fact that I use Instagram so much and it communicates with you. Is it easy? Now, our friend Brett, right?

Johnson was talking about that it's really, it's like he thinks it's gonna cannibalize Instagram. It's basically, you're not really getting new people to do anything, you're just kind of moving them from one keeps shifting them. Yeah, you're just moving them from one platform to another of the same for the same company. So it's not really like growing the business anymore.

So it'll be interesting to see what it does for Meta in general. Well, it's happened to their stock. Has it gone, it has to have gone up since all of this. I haven't looked at it. I haven't looked at the stock more. Actually, I've done it. Because 100 million stock, that's pretty pretty good.

Well, he's, it wasn't real supposed to be the competitor to like TikTok, right? I mean, in a sense, and is that taking any business away from TikTok? So I think, okay, so Gary Vee talked about this, and I thought this was an interesting point. He said like, and this was like directed towards YouTube, Facebook, all these companies like, what this,

he said what this highlights to him more than anything else because that was back when they had only 70 million, it's over 100 million, it's like that these massive platforms with these massive audiences have an opportunity to have market share in all of these. Like why, like, Maze will just have it. Like YouTube should have a Reels, a Twitter, and an Instagram type of, that, because if there's people that just subscribe to you, they kind of do, they if there's people that just subscribe, you kind of do the YouTube shorts.

Right, and so I think that's his point was, you know, everybody should, I mean, that's what this should teach you as a company is that listen, it's like, if you have a built-in audience that big, there's no reason for you not to have all those. Yeah, the stock is way up. Oh wow.

It's definitely way up. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Hey, I'm gonna, again, interesting. Taking the turn here, little update on the peptide BPC157 and the KPV that I've been trying for health. Oh, you're taking the pill form, right? Pill form, forgot health.

And I note, I am definitely noticing some positive effects. And I found, and I looked up more studies. Do you know that they're studying it for anti-alcer potency and for CNS disorders like multiple sclerosis? Because of its connection to the gut. Wow. Yes.

Pretty wild. BPC also does this. Upregulates receptors for growth hormone in your connective tissue. So it literally, that's one of the ways it accelerates healing in some of those hard to heal areas because it up regulates the receptors where growth homework attaches. Pretty wild. It's it's really crazy stuff, man. Yeah. Like the

potential of BBC like, and it's healing effect all over the body. I mean, there's just so many applications. Yeah, but I have been using it pretty consistently now for maybe four weeks, and it was kind of the slow Gradual process, but my gut is like like way more resilient right now And it's I'm pretty sure it's from that. Yeah, I've been on it for maybe three weeks So and I've I have noticed a better response in terms of my how my guts been reacted It was like really volatile for a while. Yeah, yeah, and I was getting it tested with Cabral's team and everything, and so it was like,

I'm still like working through that process of trying to like carve back at the overgrowth. Yeah, speaking of gut health and stuff, so Paleo Valley's bone broth, I've talked about their chocolate, how it tastes good, and how I can take it super often. It doesn't affect my digestion, because it's easy to digest.

So I've been doing this thing now where I'll do with every meal, I'll have a scoop or two of the bone broth, just as a way to boost my protein. And it's such an easy way to boost protein. And I notice no negative, so literally with every meal, I'll have one or two scoops of it. And it, boom, instantly adds 15 to 20 grams of protein to every meal And I'm like what an easy way for people to boost their protein rather than taking it right over your rice and meat

No, I don't put it on it. I had to use port on it. No, just every meal because it's so easy to mix So thin, it's so thin easy to mix it tastes super good and just drink it with your meal right afterwards And it you've just bolstered your meal with another, like I said, 15 to 25 grams a whole. I see so many people posting about that now. I swear to God, you guys are so good. You got so many people on that. It tastes good, it's the best thing.

You tried it right? Yeah, finally. Yeah, it's good. Am I wrong? No, you're right, I told you. No, it's fine. Shout out today, I just, I just mentioned his name as well, shout out, because because I actually since we've met

You know, we we get to meet so many people with the interviews and stuff like that and I bring up every once in a while when I meet somebody who I I really like and I stay in contact with and Brett Johnson so if you do not follow Shaleen Johnson's husband He is fucking a riot. He's super smart He drops a lot of like financial stuff So, husband, he is fucking a riot. He's super smart. He drops a lot of like financial stuff, so I love that he taught, he openly shares a lot about their business,

how they make money, how he invests money, and he's hilarious. Sarcastic is shit. He's a cool guy, like, he's been a great follow. So, if you're not following Brett, make sure you follow him. I think it's just his full name all together. So, I'll look up the handle so you have it dug for our notes.

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It's been a pleasure listening to you guys. And it's really, it's really nice to hear men actually be men and how you talk about the relationships and your parenting and then on top of that all the same stuff. So just wanted to say thank you. But my question is to do with reverse dieting. So a little bit of background. I've been working out mostly strength training for like 15 years, but I've never actually done a reverse diet. I've definitely done diets, but I typically eat carnivore.

So like 90% meat. So my question is, how do you reverse diet if you're mostly eating meat? I'm like 90% meat and dairy and then like 10% periphery, which is just like pickles and sauces really. So I don't know where to go from here in order to reverse diet? Do I add carbs? Do I just eat more of what I'm already eating? So just looking for your take on that. Can I ask first why the mostly carnivore diet? I feel best on it. It's easy.

It's so easy for me. Like I've done this for ages, I typically eat low carb in general, even when I'm not eating more so carb or like, and I think low carb would be less than 100% just kind of intuitively eating, not tracking, and just, you know, not avoiding curve. But recently, like around April, I was like, okay, I was like, these guys, I'm gonna focus on protein and water. That's it. And then I kind of naturally just fell back into eating

a carnivore-type diet, suggestion-wise, it feels good. I don't know if this thing. So if I'm tracking and cutting or maintaining whatever It's easy, but then it's also easy. You know the go and eat meat and everything's good So you don't you don't have like a reaction or anything to rice or sweet potato or yams or things like that You just have gravitated towards the carnivore diet Yeah, I don't typically gluten or like any kind of process part, um, but no, it's so no, no, no adverse reaction. Well, you said, you said you feel best. I want to dive into this a little bit because, um, it's a

pretty extreme diet. Okay. Um, the one that you're describing. And you said you feel best. I want to dive into that a little bit because there are people that feel best on a carnivore diet, but often times, if not all the time, there's an underlying root cause that's going on that's not being addressed. So what do you mean by you feel the best? And you mentioned digestion. What are you talking about? So I didn't feel for a while, but I found when I ate veggies, I was getting bloated. I felt like mostly bloated, just like I just would just stress.

When I, like if I eat processed carbs, I feel like heavier bloated. Yeah, that's the kind of, I do take feed probiotics, because they do obviously have that issue. Um, but yeah, like I don't, I don't have any bloat or anything like that when I'm feeding this way. Have you ever been tested for um, um, any dysbiosis testing, like looking for things like seba or sefa? Okay. You know, I've never had any bad testing.

I, I think that you need to because, so here's what happens when somebody like you feels bloat or digestive distress from eating some carbohydrates, okay, or starches. They tend to feed certain types of bacteria and not eating them will make you feel better if you have, let's say, bacterial overgrowth or some dysbiosis, but you're not solving,

you're not really solving the problem. You're kind of moving around the problem. And although you feel best this way, the best you would feel would be if you would address the root issue. Like if you have SIBO, what you're doing right now would be a band-aid. I did this for years myself until I was able to address the root issue. So you do feel better than you would

if you didn't treat the SIBO anyway, carbohydrates, but you would feel best in all aspects, including athletic performance, if you were to treat the underlying root issue. So I think it's, I think the, it would be super valuable for you to see a functional medicine practitioner and get some gut testing to see what the root issue is. I mean, when I say super valuable, I mean life changing valuable in terms of strength, performance, energy, hormones, skin, hair, everything,

it would really be life changing. That being said, okay, skin, hair, everything. It would really be life changing. That being said, okay, that being said, all reverse diets ultimately look the same. What you're doing is you're increasing calories over time. Now, should it be protein's fats, carbs? Well, if you're not hitting the ideal protein targets for muscle building, which is around a gram of protein per pound of body weight,

and I would tell somebody to focus on protein. Eating the way you are, you're probably eating beyond that. So you could just eat more of what you're eating to do a reverse diet. But I can't stress this enough. Work with a functional medicine practitioner and get some gut testing. Because something's going on,

there's a reason why you experience some of the distress that you experience when you eat carbohydrates or starches. And if you don't address that, it's just always gonna kind of be there. By the way, over time, even on a carnivore diet, even not necessarily feeding those bacteria, it often continues to get worse.

And what you may find, and this is oftentimes what people find, is their diet gets more restrictive. So somebody goes keto, then they go mostly carnivore, then they go purely carnivore, then they can't even put pepper on their steak anymore. And it's just salt and meat. And then at some point, the even experience issues there. I would add a couple of things too. So one, yes, you could just increase your calories through more meat. That's really hard to do.

I mean, one of the reasons why I abandoned the keto diet a couple of years ago was, I was trying to actually do a bulk which is in the same thing as reverse dieting. I'm trying to add calories and build and I just couldn't do it. I couldn't keep up with the calorie intake that I needed to do, which was great for dieting and staying lean. So I found the value probably the same way that you did. So for reverse dieting purposes, I thought it was really, really difficult to do that. So I'm not a big fan of trying to do that

through carnivore diet. The other thing is, and I agree with Sal, like I think that going through the testing is just like, that's just something you should do. I think everybody should do that. Even if they, I think people feel good should do that. I think it's just a good baseline to see kind of where you're at.

So I think there's tremendous value in that. I also have had a lot of successful clients being able to still do things like rice and sweet potato and yams and foods like that. Like staying away from maybe the starchy foods that are like higher glycemic index or sugary foods, like those types of things I see disrupt or cause more problems.

So that's also an option is to try and reverse and add those types of carbohydrates. But again, I think we're all probably going to say the same thing that it's worth getting tested to get the root cause of what's going on. Yeah. Are you in our functional medicine or health forum on Facebook? No, I'm not amazing. I just have a couple of programs as far. Okay, so it's a free forum.

The name of it is MP holistic health. MP holistic health. It's a group. Go on there. You can ask questions. There's functional medicine practitioners that answer questions for free. And then if you find that you want to work with one which I think would be very, very valuable. I can't stress this enough.

Then work with them. This is Dr. Cabral's team and it'll be life-changing. It'll be absolutely life-changing to be able to eat a wider variety of food and to realize the benefits of them. I mean, athletic performance alone will explode because you'll be able to eat and assimilate these types of foods. And again, if you don't figure out what the root issue is, what'll happen over time is you're going to find that you're going to have to restrict more and more. And more of the foods that you eat become foods that you can't eat.

So, and that's not necessarily a sustainable path. Yeah, getting closer to a real diagnosis in terms of like what's really like why you're reacting the way you are, I think it'll just give you that that knowledge base. So that way when you get to those ruts and those plateaus because right now it feels good to just stick with meat and I can totally like identify and understand relate with that. But to be able to again add calories, that's a really difficult place. If you're just just gonna stick with meat as your base for all that.

So yeah, to get that specific information is gonna be really helpful. Yeah, okay, that's definitely something I'm gonna do. All right, perfect, do it. And then follow up with us, because I'll be very interested to see what the results are. But I suspect that there's some dysbiosis going on that's just going untreated All right, well, thanks for calling in

Appreciate it When the the look of man that's not what I want Just add cheese It's great. Yeah, you should have done it. It's a good compliment Yeah, you know, the old way of handling gut issues, and I was a part of this, was avoid the foods that bother you. Okay, and then you have this list of foods that bother you. And then what happens is, oh, looks like these foods now start to bother.

And over time, it's like, oh my God, I have like five foods left. Oh no, and I have three foods left. What the hell is going on? And when I finally treated myself for SIBO, it was like five foods left. Oh no, now I have three foods left. What the hell is going on? And when I finally treated myself for SIBO, it was like a light bulb. Like, oh my God, like this whole time. Right. There was an issue there that I was just,

you know, kind of putting a bandaid over. Yeah. And again, once you solve it, you solve it. That's the thing you can solve it. Oftentimes you could solve the issue. Well, it's like she found her first answer, right? Like, this is where I feel good right now, you know? But it's like hard to, I guess,

pursue other means in terms of like coming back to incorporating other foods in there because this is like kind of like the safe place now. So, you know, it's gonna take some work to, you know, really figure out and diagnose like what's going on, but once you do, it's just like, then I just feel like at that point now, you can bring back sort of the balance.

Yeah, I think once you get to a point where she starts to notice the foods that make her feel uncomfortable and the foods that make her feel good, I think that's still important information. Then you go solve it like you're saying. So the thing that I see that happens a lot to people is even the people that go and solve it,

then they reintroduce those things that caused it from the beginning and then they feel okay, the first few times, it's like, you know, and then they overdo it and then they're back there again. And then what they end up doing is like, oh, that didn't work for me. Yeah, no, I have to stay here.

No, here's a rule of thumb is this, is having one or two foods that bother you. There's somewhat normal. A whole category of a macronutrient that bothers you, not normal. So it's like, I can't eat carbohydrates. Okay. Something's going on here. I can't eat any fruit. I can't eat any vegetables. Okay. Something's going on here. But if it's like, oh, bread bothers me, but I can eat rice and put, okay, well, you know, and it might be something in the bread, it might be a little bit more reasonable.

That's right, that's right. So if that's you and you're noticing, like just entire categories of foods in macronutri, or if it continues to pile up that you find over time, more and more foods going that I can eat this list, then there may be an underlying cause. Yeah, unless you have some real clinical diagnosis. That's right.

Yeah, I have to stay here, then that's different. So our next caller is Whitney from Canada, and she also has a young companion here. Hi, Whitney. How can we help you? Hi, guys. This is Charlotte with me. Hi, Charlotte. Charlotte.

Hey, hi. Hi, good. It's about seven years, and she's nine. So that means I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that.

I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm, it's politically correct. Wow, you're smart. Yeah. Doug's the favorite. Oh, winner. Turn off the camera. All right. Sorry. Go ahead, Whitney. Okay. So I wrote down my question. So you guys have it, but I'll read it through here. Basically, I have been following your programs for about two, three years now, anywhere from starter, anywhere, Annabelle performance, strong power lift, all of those. I've run them all the way

through. And right now, just given life factors being crazy, busy and trying to manage stress and whatnot, I find that I don't have that much time in a gym. So I haven't got 15, but what I've been doing is taking, say, anabolic and turning it into like a seven-day-a-week program, where sometimes I'm just going in. And if it's only squats I can do, that's all that I'm doing, but I'm being really consistent. And to be entirely honest, I am like a five-by-five girl. I don't love the higher ups. I hate it actually. I just can't get into it, but I did it. Take the program because you always say to go through the

program all the way through first and then I've made modifications, but I'll get through a couple phases, say in one program and then I'm like, I really want to jump into phase two of performance. And then from that, I'll want to jump into power lift. And back and forth is it okay for me to be doing that. Do you have any suggestions? Should I just bite the bullet? And 15 is the way that I should be going. Or my ultimate goals are leaning out a little bit more. And I'd like to chase my old strength goals.

That would be just like in the back of my mind a fun type of thing to do. Awesome, awesome. That's an inspiration. Whitney, don't jump from program to program. Extremely dangerous, I'm just kidding. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what you're doing. You're doing great.

You're so consistent. You've been following our programs for a while. It sounds like you know your body pretty well I can see that you're obviously fit. There's nothing wrong with that following a program fully is Probably ideal and I say probably because there's a lot of individual variance from person to person You've been working out for so long if you're pretty in touch with your body, you know what works for you, then you're probably gonna train yourself better than our programs that are written for a general audience.

Now, that being said, I wanna ask you about the higher reps because you hear this from people for two different reasons. One, they just don't like higher reps because of the way they feel, or two, they tend to feel more exhausted and over trained with the higher reps. So I want to ask you which one of those is you, is it because it's just not as fun or do you find that they tend to be more exhausting and fatiguing

overall? Oh, that's a good question. I think I'm gonna say exhausting and fatiguing, and when I was usually when I was in those phases of the programs, that's when I was just like, if stress is running high, I feel like it's too much. Yeah. I'm in the higher reps, I love, I live for a good five by three or five by five. Your intuition is very good.

So high reps stresses the body more than low reps do. Now low reps can stress the joints and the central nervous system depending how strong the person is. But higher reps, if you look at the total volume, which is sets times reps, times weight. If I did 30 reps with 135 pounds, that's more volume than one rep with 500 pounds. And it definitely exhausts the body and fatigues the body more. So I have a suggestion for you, if that's the case,

cut the volume in half when you go into those high rep phases. So when you get into phase three of MAPs and a BOLIC, instead of doing three sets of an exercise, do one and see how you feel. And you may find that your body starts to respond phenomenally to the higher reps again. It's just you had to calculate, you had to basically account for the total volume.

So, and I don't necessarily talk about this because most people aren't as in tune with their body as you are, you haven't worked out as consistently as you, and then people just avoid it because I don't like it, and that's when I encourage people to kind of push through and try it out, but your intuition is right. So if you go into another high rep phase,

cut the volume in half, and then see how you feel, and you just may find that you start to see the benefit from those phases again. So, a couple of things for me, one, we'll have Doug send over maps 15, so you have it. I think there's just so you get the structure. Yeah, just so you have it, I think you have some value to go through that. To you're in a place right now that I was always trying to get my clients to. So you're doing incredible, right? And so anything that I think we say right now, take a little bit with a grain of salt,

because I think that it's what you're doing, learning to balance it out, listen to your body, splitting up, anabolic, nothing's wrong with that. You're also a mom, you're also an entrepreneur, you've found incredible balance, and so we're kind of nitpicking here to try and give some advice, but I think where you're at is a phenomenal place. And really when it comes to leaning out

and getting in more shape as far as body fat percentage, that's gonna come from diet. What you're doing training wise, whether you're running our maths 15 or you're kind of bouncing around like you're currently doing right now, that's, you're gonna be fine. Like that's totally fine where you're going.

It's all gonna be in how you diet. Now, there is some value in choosing maybe a program of ours that is really different than what you would normally do. So, and leaning into, oh, I don't ever train like a, you know, like the strong man competitor. I've never done like a power lifting, you know, you know, circuit or whatever. So if you haven't done things like that, there is some value to that because it's a be a novel stimulus. So you might see faster results,

but all in all, I think you're doing incredible with the way you're training. Yeah, I mean, that's where my brain goes, too. It's like, you found that sort of sweet spot in terms of like doing more of the five by five by three kind of protocol. I'm definitely can relate and have the same type of love for that type of training. However, I try to challenge myself still. So that way, you know, I came respond a little bit differently and give my body a new stimulus.

So something like, in terms of volume and not being too stressful, like more on the body weight side, more on the rubber band side, might be a good option for that to build volume and get some conditioning there and some muscle endurance. So just consider that in terms of like something to kind of weave in and out of to come back

and give your body kind of a new stimulus. I wanna talk about the getting leaner just for a second. Do you know, do you have a general idea of what your body fat percentage is? No, I'm gonna guess high 20s and five foot one and I'm down to 134 from 140 but I know I know that I'm not. I lost a lot of muscle mass over the past couple of years was super addicted to exercise and a competitive cross-fit for a while, then switched that, went hard

car in the yoga direction and kind of broke up with CrossFit and then now back at the gym, but I'm really having to start and then had a couple surgeries and things go on since then. So, I've had to really start at square one. So I know that I'm on a higher body fat percentage because my strength is nowhere what it used to be. Okay, so there's two ways you could approach this. And one way I think is a lot better.

First off, you look healthy to me. You look like you're gonna put a good body weight at your height, the fact that you lift weights, you're probably in the mid 20s. I say you don't look high 20s to me. No, you're probably in the mid 20s, which is a mid to lower. Yeah, which is a great place to be,

because a very healthy fit place to be. There's two ways you can approach this. You mentioned you're not as strong, you lost some muscle. One way is to get leaner by cutting calories. The other way is to get leaner by building muscle, okay? Remember, body fat percentage is a percentage of your overall body mass, your overall body weight.

So if like right now, if I were to snap my fingers and put five pounds of muscle on you, but you kept your total body fat pounds the same, you're now leaner, okay? I think that's a better approach, I really do. I think if you're tracking and you have an idea of what your calories are, your protein intake is, if you're hitting your protein targets, I would reverse diet you and just try to get stronger and throw your

scale away. Take your scale away. I think that's no brainer. That's the way to do it. Since you meant, now that you gave us that information that you, you are not as strong as what you were, that's the beautiful part about that is the body remembers that. So to get back there will be a lot easier than to just try to cut calories and lean out body fat percentage that way. So it would be way more advantageous for you just to reverse diet and go get strong. And you're gonna see the change in the physique

that you probably want. So I think that's a no brainer piece of advice. Yeah, and that's ideal because I am a stress not eater. So I need to be focusing on my diet And that's ideal because I am a stress not eater. So I need to be focusing on my diet because if it's a stressful time then I just forget to eat. I'm not the other way around, right? So I have been trying to focus on always

bringing good quality protein choices and veggies and increasing, because I know that my calories are also playing a factor in me being able to build the strength too. Well here, start with this, if you're not doing this already, with breakfast, lunch, and dinner, eat 40 grams of protein with each meal. So, and eat that first.

So, figure out what 40 grams looks like and make that with breakfast, lunch, that'll give you at least 120 grams of protein a day, which is gonna hit your protein targets. And let's start there. And then just try to get stronger. And don't weigh yourself. Don't worry about the scale.

Look, I've known many women at five, one, two, weigh 10 to 12 pounds heavier than you, who were shredded because of the muscle. And the size looked great and all that stuff. So your body weight, I wouldn't even worry about that. I would look at strength, hit those protein targets. Let's see if we can get your calories up, much better approach than trying to cut your calories to try to get leaner. And you're programming that you're doing is fine. So, especially since that you have the self-awareness

that you would probably tend to stick in five by five. So as long as you interrupt that, you know, by bouncing out of it for a while then coming back, you're going to be fine. Yeah. Well, thank you. You got it. We're good. She got any questions? Yeah.

Thank you. You're a little gymnast this one. So she's benching, squatting, overhead pressing and all those things all right. Awesome. Good job, Charlie. That good job Charlie head of the curve good job Charla. Thank you so much Whitney for calling us Thank you guys early appreciate it you enjoy your day. Thank you have a good day. Bye I love questions like that. I love moms like that. Yeah, doing a great job You know what everything the

though you know that the the, she obviously has a relationship with exercise that can go in the negative. She's experienced that before. No, she recognized it. Yeah, she's great. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, I hope women listening really understood what I said

with the other approach to getting leaner. It's a better approach. If she gained muscle and got leaner, she, it would be much more sustainable. She'd have a better hormone profile. She'd be stronger. She'd have more energy than if she just tried to drop weight and get leaner in that way.

It's a much, much better, it's a healthier, more sustainable. And forget the scale, because people get hung up on the scale, especially women. If you look at her with more muscle and leaner versus just lighter and leaner, the more muscle leaner looks better. It just looks better. It's when the scale shows up. It's when people freak out.

Well, when she made that point that she was weaker, that was the... Yeah, that's what I knew. That was like it. That became a no-brainer piece of ice. Our next color is Michael from Sweden. Michael, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for taking Michael. And thanks for your content. I started listening to you guys a couple of months ago.

I always had hard time finding like trainers here in Sweden, so I really enjoy listening to you because you're really listening to what you're talking about. Thank you. Mostly Justin and I, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll just jump straight into my question. Okay. If that's right. I listened a lot to you guys and sometimes you mentioned this about burnout, burning

out. And I actually had that happen to me and like two months ago that I had a pretty bad burnout from doing way too much, like working out too much, working too much, and having kids, you know, their whole life. Situation, so I was wondering, how you guys would recommend someone like me

to get back to training and also maybe how to balance life better than not risky burning out again. We wrote a program just for this. Well, before we get into that, Michael, I'm reading your question. And if you don't mind, I'm going to kind of talk a little bit about the details because there's, you know, there's burnout over training and then there's what you experienced. So in your note, you said that you got so bad that you couldn't even stand for shorter durations because your body felt completely spent from high stress and overtraining.

And then you found out from some doctor appointments that you were burnt out. So let's talk about this for a second. What did the doctor appointments test and what did they show? They did a lot of tests because I had a lot of inflammation in my chest, so they thought it was something more serious, but they turned out it wasn't thanks for me. They just did like blood works and all that and they said that you're fine, but you're you're burned out, you need to start listening to your body and not to do so much as I am doing. Okay, and you say inflammation in your chest, was this heart inflammation or was it the chest cavity? No chest muscles. The muscles.

OK. And did you get inflammatory markers tested? I don't know. I'm not sure about that. OK. Because, well, let's talk about what got you here, because this is a very extreme level of burnout. I mean, this sounds like...

Potentially. It also depends on how... Well, I mean, this could be rabdo. I don't know what they tested, right? They would have said something like that. Not necessarily. That's why I'm asking what the test show. They might not have looked for it.

Because sometimes what doctor... I'm not saying it's what your doctor did, but sometimes what doctors do is they don't know. So they just say, oh, you're just over trained. Yeah, what this sounds like to me and correct me if I'm wrong. Sounds like you went to the doctor because you probably felt so fatigued and burnt out and he'd ran, they ran a bunch of blood work, a bunch of tests on you. Notice that your chest was probably really inflamed, probably from over training like crazy, and told you you need to calm down.

Is that what happened? Yeah, basically. Okay, but what led to this? Because this is not, this is not. Yeah, well, one of those, like I'm pretty high, I actually very, I would want to say that I, I am, I pushed myself really hard. I, I guess I don't listen so much to my body because I,

you know, I follow this mentality that you should like you should betray And even if you're tired or you know old David cockings But that they don't to work out for me like it does for them. What did you work out? What did your workouts look like? What did you do? Yeah, how was your sleep and what was the rest of your life stress? I need more details Usually I do it like upper, lower split with where I do the compound movements and I add some secondary, like where I think I need more work, like if I'm working in the knees or stuff like that and then I do that three times a day a week coming and then I maybe run twice a week and then I work like night to five and then I usually have lots to do at home as well because I like

to help out with everything. Okay. So this, from what you're explaining and how you felt and the kind of inflammation you felt and the fact that you couldn't stand, I'm going to recommend that you get more testing and go see a specialist. How do you feel now, by the way? Now I've been in high-stopped training and started to rest a lot, so now I'm pretty much back on my feet again.

Do you feel back to my body? Is back on my feet? Yeah, I feel good or is that just back on my faith again. Do you feel back to my mind? Is back on my feet? Yeah. Good, or is that just back on your feet? Yeah, like how's your sleep? Do you feel normal? Is libido okay? Apatite?

Yeah, it's still there. Like 90% back, I don't say that's normal. Okay, so we'll talk about the exercise. And then I still think you should go see, because you might have experienced rabdo where the muscle damage gets so bad And then I still think you should go see, because you might have experienced RABDO where the muscle damage gets so bad that it overwhelms your body's ability

to get rid of waste byproducts, could also be something else that's going on. So what you're experiencing, what you explained in your know, I've never seen with somebody, except for someone who goes and literally destroys themselves for hours and hours. Yeah, yeah.

Trath leader across. Yeah, I, they had some theories because I also have like a drive before that I had some extremely high stress in my life from because I also have my own company and then I had some bad stuff happen. And then I also, I had a call that they thought might be COVID and maybe I had this sort of post COVID and then I went to the gym and did that lifts and after that it was there. I was there.

Gotcha. Okay, so I definitely want you to go see a specialist. I want you to test your inflammatory markers, look at your kidney function, your liver function, and a hormone profile. Then with exercise, I mean, this is gonna sound very general, but less is better and slow is better.

I think a program like Maps 15 would be an appropriate way to start. And if you don't have that, we'll send that to you. And it's literally 15 minutes every day. And I think that would be an appropriate place to start. You'll still get stronger. You should still see results. But I wouldn't be satisfied without further testing.

I'm still not satisfied before explaining. You know, Michael, you've only been listening for a couple of months, so maybe you haven't heard me say this on the podcast before, but the goal is to do the least amount possible to elicit the most amount of change. And that's really hard for people to wrap their brain around that because it's different in almost every other aspect of your life, your business and, you know, education, the harder you work, the more results you get with fitness, with body composition change, losing body fat, belly muscle, it is not like that.

And in fact, a better strategy for not only faster results, but long term results is approaching the gym as I'm going to do as little as I can to elicit change. And all you have to do to elicit change is a little more than what you did last week. If you were doing nothing last week, then a set of squats will elicit change. So think like that. Approach your training like that. The goal is to go in there and actually not this is the reason I love David Goggins because I think he's a great motivator and things like that. But there's a reason why we haven't brought him on the show and interview him because we think it's the opposite message that we're constantly trying to teach our people,

is that it's not about suffering. Yes, there is a mental thing for people that are in very special mental strength. That's a different category. Yeah, but somebody who's trying to be healthy and fit, it's a terrible approach for health and fitness. And so as much as I like the guy, I don't like the messaging for our health and fitness community because I come from a total opposite camp

Which is what I said to you which is doing as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change And so that needs to be your mindset as you approach this mass 15 I think was written with that kind of thought process is going in there doing two exercises a day You know a compound lift two compound lifts and then getting out of the gym not trying to crush it that kind of thought process is going in there, doing two exercises a day, you know, a compound lift, two compound lifts, and then getting out of the gym, not trying to crush it, just slowly build on that. Yeah, but we'll send you a mass 15,

that'll give you the program. And then if you need more specifics with testing, I would look at C-reactive protein, I would look at A1C, I would look at kidney, filtration, liver, function, I would look at creatinine levels in the blood. And if a functional medicine practitioner might be someone good to find, if you can't find one there, we have a free forum on Facebook called MP Holistic Health and you could just

join it, it's free. And there's functional medicine practitioners that are much more qualified than I am to that could direct you for further testing. But I think that's a good idea, Michael, because what you're explaining is not typical. And it's not even typical of people that over train. So there's something else or there was something else going on. And I think it's important to look deeper. Yeah, Doug's gonna send you the Mass 15 program and then I'd love to see you in our private forum also. So you can kind of keep up,

let us know what's going on. So we can probably even better advise you as we find out more information from the doctors. Yeah, thanks a lot. I also had a really hard time from what you're saying, like to know when it's okay to rest a lot. I usually choose to push myself rather than rest. So that's like the balance, I think it's really hard to find.

Just remember what I said to you. It's different than almost everything else in your life. It's not the more work, the harder you go, the more results you get. I know that's how it is in almost every other aspect of life. It's not the more work, the harder you go, the more results you get. I know that's how it is in almost every other aspect of our life. It's the right amount. And the right amount for every person is very unique and different.

And if you have a high stress job and you get a lot on your plate, you have to be even less than a normal person. This is where programming really helps with that, to be able to find that right dose. To follow it to the tee You know don't second-guess it just you know trust the process see what it does for you first I think you just need to believe what it can do for you first

That's right advice. Thanks guys You got it. Thanks Michael. Stay in touch for a call in Yeah, thanks a lot. I Hope you see somebody. I don't like the way the explanation, it's alarming for sure. Yeah, I mean, okay, and I was on point. I worked, I lifted weights three days a week

and did in ran twice a week. That would not cause 99% of time would not cause super intense, what happened. And then he mentioned that he had long COVID and all these other things and who knows what's going on. Yeah, the part that seems that he wrote, and he didn't say but he wrote in there that even the shorter workouts were still bothering

and what's kind of strange. What annoys me sometimes with doctors is, oh, you're just doing too much. And so I asked some specifics, what about this? They didn't know. They make quick assumptions. Yeah, there's no further testing. If I was a doctor and he came to me and I looked at that I'd be like well your middle-aged man you look otherwise healthy Yeah, you could be working out too hard, but you have trouble standing yeah for short-term

We got to look a little deeper and kind of see what's what's going on. So And then severe chest inflammation. I mean it could be wrapped up. Look, you could get so much muscle damage. It overwhelms your body. People get hospitalized for that. And they do. But the doctors would have seen, unless they're completely inept, they would have seen his CK levels at extraordinary levels. In which case, they would have, unless they didn't test for it, is what I'm saying. In which case, they would have, you know, put them on IV. But something else is going on. I feel like a client, I mean, a patient that comes in and complains to those In which case they would have put them on a high V and but something else is going on.

I feel like a patient that comes in and complains to those things that would be one of the first things that you would test. I mean, it's become common with CrossFit and stuff like that. It's become more popular. So I feel like if you came in and you're talking about your workout making you feel this way, I would think that's like a first box that most doctors get. Potentially, right? But even Rado's rare, it's not super common.

It's pretty hard to get someone in that place like that. So definitely look deeper. I know sometimes, oftentimes the answer is you're doing too much, but sometimes the, like you're doing an amount that might be a little too much, but Holy cow, I'm so crushingly tired that I can't move. Yeah. Or I can't stand. Yeah. You got to look a little deeper. This question so highlights though, what we've been saying for so many years on this podcast,

I know we get flack for sometimes with the hardcore fitness community is that I think that messaging is so terrible for most people. It really is. I get how it hypes this all up. Like I get hyped out, dude. What I told you, the David Goggins, like it gets me all. how it hypes this all up like I get hyped out dude what I was a David Goggins like he gets me all yeah someone like this

here is like oh my god I can barely stand and then David Goggins like you're a pussy is it I guess I'm a pussy I just push harder yeah you know that's not that's like that's not the answer work yeah look if you like mine pump head over to mine pump free dot com and check out all of our free guides you can

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