Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2121: The Best Way to Build Muscle Without Weights, Resistance Bands Vs. Free Weights, the Downside of Competing in Bodybuilding & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 19, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Have kids. It’s an incredible growth tool. (2:23) A trend Mind Pump can get behind. (24:02) A new approach to potty training. (29:06) Toilets in Japan are NEXT level. (34:18) Ways to make the WNBA more enticing. (40:47) The body types that make you the best at one position are not the same body types that make you the best at other positions. (45:54) Breaking down the FDA investigation into PRIME Energy drink. (52:43) The lost benefits of Ginseng. (58:50) Shout out to Kendrick BBQ. (1:02:19) #ListenerLive question #1 - Where do I go next? I'm in a place where I want to lean out again, but I don’t want to keep putting on weight. I'm also not sure what to expect with adding these hormones via my doctor into my system post-competition. (1:06:34) #ListenerLive question #2 - How would you recommend I reverse diet, post my first bodybuilding show? (1:19:02) #ListenerLive question #3 - How many reps should I do per set when training with bands? (1:33:54) #ListenerLive question #4 - What are the benefits and limitations between weights and bands? (1:41:58) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Visit Joy Mode for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first order** July Promotion: MAPS Starter | MAPS Starter Bundle 50% off! **Code JULY50 at checkout** Elon Musk FULL INTERVIEW with ZUBY (NEW) - YouTube salt and honey combo #fyp #honeyandsalt #preworkout # ... - TikTok Child-Led Potty Learning Without a Power Struggle - Aha! Parenting Shaq Says The WNBA Should Lower The Rim So Players Can Dunk Rick Barry’s Free Throw Shooting Was ICONIC | #shorts Senator Chuck Schumer calls for FDA investigation into high caffeine content of PRIME Energy drinks | CNN Business Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! MP Holistic Health Reverse Dieting 101 | MAPS Fitness Products Mind Pump #2080: Get Jacked With Bands! MAPS Suspension Training Best Mobility Exercises to Help Alleviate Back Pain - Mind Pump Media Mind Pump TV Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned ZUBY (@ZubyMusic) Twitter Elon Musk (@elonmusk) Twitter Lewis Howes (@lewishowes) Instagram Benjamin Kendrick (@kendrick_bbq) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram  

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There's one thing you can do that will force you to grow as a person more than almost anything else, by the way, this is backed by lots and lots of data. What is that thing? Have children. Having kids makes you reflect on yourself. It forces you to grow into a better person or completely disconnect those of you that do that. Shame on you.

It is an incredible growth tool because for the first time in your life, you love something more than yourself. Yeah, a little controversial this one. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that.

Only because people still think that we're overpopulated, that's what. Okay, that's a glad to have that. That's a factor of it. That is false. I will don't be on false. People don't realize that. You know that, I was blown away by the,

I don't know you call it statistic or what, but when someone shared with me that we could literally fit like the entire world's population in Texas. Yeah. With the population density that's less than like Tokyo. Yeah, yeah. So people will say resources. So they're in the 70s, I wanna say,

there was this theory called, I want to see 70s or 60s, called peak oil, that we would, we were reaching a point where we could no longer get as much oil as we needed for energy demands and the cost of retrieving it was going to exceed the benefit we're going to get from it and then society will collapse. Today, we have access to more oil or more energy per person than we did back then. Okay, why innovation? Innovation has led to that. And people say, what about food?

We produce more food per person today, even though it's a larger population, than we did 20, 30, 40, and definitely 50 years ago and beyond. Why? Again, innovation. And there's less people starving, less people sick, and all that stuff today than the were, you know, again, 30 years ago. Less people in the world is not a good thing. Yeah, now, I'm sure at some point we would reach potential limits, but the human ingenuity and innovation, that's like our greatest skill. So it's like, right now, if we cut the population of the world in half, it would

be a disaster. Like, it would be an absolute disaster. People would starve and it would be terrible. More good people is a good thing. So this whole like, we need to have less people type of thing or it's totally false. It hasn't worked out. Wasn't it in reverse in some countries, like they're actually noticing a decline in the population. China, Japan, Europe is on the brink here. We're getting close and that collapse can cause, that's actually can cause collapse. It reminds me of like when you like a Western medicine where you have like one doctor that like looks at one like a symptom and then like it understands one part of the body But then like the fact that everything works energetically. They don't communicate

That's how I feel like when you when you hear things that were like alarming that oh we're overpopulated coming from like an Environmentalist Based off of that like oh we're polluting the earth and we're going that direction But it's like yeah, but if an environmentalist actually spoke to an economist and actually told you what would happen to our economy, if we actually did that, like you would understand like, okay, so we shrank a little bit of the pollution by eliminating these people, but now what happens when our economy starts to tank

because we have less people that's not growing, growing the GDP that's not feeding the elderly off population, there's more people that are dying off them being born, like you have any idea what that would do to civilization with murder, suicide rate, all the stuff that would increase with all that stuff. A lot of innovation productivity, but also this is also something people don't realize is that the wealthier people become,

and this is a fact now, we can see this clearly, the better they are to the environment, the more they care about the environment. Because if they care about the environment, because if you're dirt poor, you don't care. All you care about is I need food. Survival, yeah. I need shelter. I'm gonna burn this, whatever I have.

I don't care if it makes smoke. I'm gonna throw stuff in the river. I don't care. We're starving right now. We just need to eat. Now when you make enough money and a society becomes wealthy enough to where people can think about these things

Then they start to care they start to innovate they start to not worry so much about paying more for something that's more environmentally Conscious for example, so like you know if we want to move in that direction Then we need prosperity not to hammer people like think about this way if you're starving and you're struggling, I don't care about electric gas, coal, pollution, I don't care about that. I just need food right now. Yeah. And we need to survive right now. Well, also too, it's kind of a slow shift.

Like we've seen this in programming with TV shows and everything growing up from kind of that shifting from the derpy kind of dad and then like this, this idea that it's just better to be single and just bang all the chicks and have this Peter Pan syndrome and like, that's just a better lifestyle in general. And that's been like programmed. Well, along those lines, you know what else is true about the, the more wealthy we would come to is a less likely you are to have kids, which is unfortunate because you're, you're more equipped to probably raise more children yet yet you're less likely to have someone's kind of backwards when you think about it.

Yeah, well, there's a trade-off, and a trade-off is heedingistic value versus, I guess, meaning and maybe purpose. So, men are a great example because theoretically, men don't have a biological clock like women do. So, women, there's a biological clock that kind of can force them to have to make decisions sooner than men. Men technically we can have kids whenever up until the day we die.

Obviously not ideal, but we don't lose our fertility. And so we kind of don't, like unless we have children, we don't really have a reason to grow up. And so we tend to live that way. We have kids all of a sudden, you think about things differently. It's not about you. You got, okay, you know, I know I do these things that are bad for me. Now I really got to look at them because I don't want my kids to do the same thing. I don't want my daughter to date someone who does these things. So it kind of forces you

to take responsibility to grow. You're not going to be so driven by hedonism because you find value in different things. So, now, is it harder? Is it more expensive? Yeah, it is. But usually harder things are better for you. I mean, that's just, that's just the, you know, the way it is. And this, and again, the data is very clear on this. Having children, for, and not,

and other people are gonna point out like terrible examples. So these people shouldn't have kids. And these, yeah, I get that. By the way, I'm not talking to you deadbeats out there don't have kids if you're a moron And you don't want to take care of one and you're a loser. Yeah, you should probably just worry about taking care of yourself for now But for most people the data shows like having children is a it's harder for sure I'm not gonna lie. It's definitely harder But it's a net positive and it provides a value that like

did you realize that you didn't love anything more than yourself until you had kids? I don't realize it. No. I was one of the biggest realizations I had. Yeah. It's interesting how we're actually genetically hardwired for that, right? I was listening to the interview with Zubian, Elon Musk, and he's talking about, you know, having children and like how it's in our genetic code and how it could take. And he used the example of like wild animals, he's talking about like a bobcat or like the most fierce like wild animal that would like kill and eat and destroy anything that it could feed on in front of it and stuff like that.

And was it is this fierce animal yet that same animal all of a sudden can have kittens or have children and all of a sudden that their demeanor becomes this protective carrying loving like it's weird and it's not like somebody trained that animal to do that. It's like in its genetic makeup to to do that and we're hardwired the same way and you don't it's it's innate you don't really realize it until it happens. You can think about it all you want and go like, oh, yeah, I hear this, or I've been taught this, or I've seen this. But I mean, from my experience, from someone who almost didn't have kids, to having kids, it's like, it's so, it's so weird how everything that you, that you thought you, you knew about your purpose and what you cared about, also.

That changes. Completely shifts and changes and gets up into it because for the first time in your life, you actually have something that you truly love more than yourself. A lot of people think that, oh, I love my mom, oh, I love my wife, oh, I love my husband, I love these other, and then I'll send you

have a kid and you realize, oh, fuck, like. There's a whole different level. Yeah, there's a whole other level to this. And that doesn't mean you can't really love your wife and all those other people. But then when you actually have a child, it changes completely. Yeah, I heard this talk once about children

that really impacted me. It's like, you have an opportunity. By the way, what you just mentioned, I want to say this to you before I go on, what you mentioned is why some people run away. Because, and men are definitely much more likely to do this, it's because it's scary. It's the most responsible you'll ever have to be if you actually want to step up and take care of this thing and raise them.

And so some people are like, I can't, I'm out, I can't handle this. So it is a scary thing. But here's, this is, here's the talk that I heard that I thought was so impactful. It's like you have the opportunity to develop the deepest possible relationship you could ever develop, ever, okay? Like you'll never have this opportunity with a friend or anyone else, like you're gonna have,

you have this opportunity to raise a human being from birth and develop the deepest, most profound relationship you can develop. And then the kicker is, that kid wants that more than anything. They want that more than anything. So tell me how you can find that anywhere else in the world. And if you don't pursue that, or you shut it down

because why, because it's expensive, because that means you have to go to bed early, means you can't party with your friends, you can't buy fast car or whatever. Like, that's not a great trade. It really isn't. One of the greatest regrets, by the way, people on their death beds are people without kids. One of the greatest regrets is that they didn't have kids or children. So if it's so amazing and it gives so much purpose, makes you such a better

person, then why is it not promoted anymore like that? Why is why what is what was the biggest shift and say like the 40s to like now on why it isn't? I'll be very simple. Look at the spending and consumption habits of people with kids versus people without kids. And you'll see a vast difference. Talk about like consuming, you know, worthless things or purchasing lots of things. So they sell consumers in general. So based on the year theory, most massive companies that are in the business of selling product to people are in favor of you being single and wealthy than you being a family

with four or five kids living conservative. Yes, and that's not it. Because look, when you have, even if it's subconsciously, they're driven that way, right? Yeah, well think about it, like, because they're about profits. Yeah, like when you had kids, or you had Max, I mean, your consumption habits,

and look, objective, you have, look, here's a funny thing, I hope you don't mind me sharing this. You have far more expendable income today, even with your kid, than you did five years ago when he didn't exist without him. Yet your spending habits completely changed. It was because you made less money,

you're way more wealthy now than you were then. Dries my wife crazy. Yeah, it changes everything, right? Right? That was not funny. I don't understand you. She's like the more money you make, the more of a miser you become.

I said nothing to do with that. That's nothing to do with the income going up. That's everything to do with having a child. For the first time, again, every decision I made financially pre five years ago was selfish. What do I want? Now, what do I want? Later, what does that look like?

And so all of my decision making was based off of that. As soon as you have a child that completely gets disrupted. Now it's like all I care about is his future. And so the way I spend has to change. It just has to because it's no longer selfishly motivated. It's more predicated on how does this impact him. Everything from him seeing me blow money like that is that good for him to see or us

or me giving him all those things. Does that matter? Or me also setting his financial future up or teaching him good money lessons? Like now all of a sudden, those factors all play a major role in my decisions where that didn't exist before. Right. You're also harder to manipulate in particular ways by politicians and again, by marketers, because when you have kids, your value starts to check, look, you're far more likely to do harmful shit to yourself than you would allow your own children to do.

So like you take somebody, let's say, who smokes cigarettes, right? And you're like, you know, you should stop, ah, whatever I enjoy it, whatever. And yes, then would you want your kids to develop this habit? Hell no. No, I don't.

Yeah. So it makes it harder for you to be manipulated because now you're considering people that you treat better than you treat yourself or at least you're more conscious of how to treat them in a better way than you are for yourself. And I know there's a lot of men out there, especially in fact, I was talking to him yesterday

where he had a kid young and he's like, you know, now when I do certain things, I ask myself like, because he has a daughter. And he know, now when I do certain things, ask myself like because he has a daughter And he says now when I when I do things ask myself Am I acting like the man I would want my daughter to be with and he says this totally motivates me to be nice I That's how I answer like when someone asked me like what's the biggest difference in your life? Having a kid there's lots of different things right but biggest thing, and it's cheesy to say this,

remember when the WWJD thing was really popular? What would you just do? The wristbands. Oh yeah. Remember that? What goes through my head is like, what would my son think, right? With every aspect, everything from how I talk to my wife,

what money, spending decisions I make, what kind of career I decide to do. Like, that just goes through, and it's like, it's not like I actively have to think about it. I don't like it stop and like, oh, should I partake in this? What would my, it's just there. So, you think that's something that we all have

or is hardwired in or is it something that, just because I thought about fatherhood, I think, do you think that's something that everybody? I think it's both, I think that there's a hard wiring there, but also, of course, your own past trauma, your fear, all that stuff can step in and people can run away or be terrible people and not wanna be there for their kids. But generally speaking, having kids tends to just drive those things,

it tends to make drive those things. It tends to make us a little bit different or consider it. When you care about your kids, I should say, and look, I know there's like I said, there's a lot of bad people out there and this is the argument people try to make, but most people care. They, nobody's perfect by the way. I know I'm far from perfect, so I hate that

when people criticize people who talk about having kids. Like, well, you're not a great, you know, perfect parent because whatever. Like, don't be an asshole, nobody's perfect. But generally speaking, this is the case. Just like generally speaking, parents know what's best for their kids. I hate it when people try to make that argument like, you don't know what's best for your kids.

The state knows better. The teacher's no better. The doctor knows better. Man, most of the case, most of the times they don't. Sometimes they do, but usually that's not the case. You know, I was actually thinking about this topic and I was thinking about, and I always think of you when I think like this like evolutionary,

like why, why is it that, you know, and I understand the biological reasons, why, you know, because women have a clock on it as far as how long they can have children, that it's more advantageous for us to have children. Younger ages, when I think statistically, we are, it's where it's we're far better having children as we, as men, as we get older. So it's kind of weird that, as a society that we've, I don't know, with the average age

that somebody has children, but it's in this probably 20, 20 something year old age. When I would make the case that when you're in your mid 30s to 40, you raise a better kid, you're more prosperous, like you can feed them better, you can take care of them better, you can teach them better. So, do you think that we are going to evolve in that direction? Like, do you think that the, as we get healthier and we get technology and science evolves, like, will we go from the average age that a woman has a child? It was at, let's say, I don't know, maybe look that up for me, Doug, so I'm not just spouting off random numbers,

but let's say it's 25 or 27. Does that move to 33 in our lifetime or like a later age? And like, we start to slowly evolve to having children. We have to figure out how to make that happen. Is it happening or is it going the other direction, do you know? And the age is going up because the strongest type of that is women are pursuing more education

in careers and then deciding to have children later on. I mean, that's a whole nother discussion, like what's the right age or whatever. I think there's an emotional maturity that men don't reach at the same age that women do. Yes, that's the same. Well, here's what I thought, South, not saying it roughly, but like, like, you see older men and younger women.

So, to me, it made sense hundreds of years ago when it was all about physical. So hundreds of years ago, before we had all this technology, and it was about, if I had a kid, it would be my best interest to have a kid when I was 25 to 30, when I'm in my prime. I'm strongest, I'm fastest, I have the most energy to keep them protected.

When that was like the main way to raise and take care of a family. So it made sense having children much earlier in those times. But in a short period of time, when you talk about 100 years, that's nothing in the grand scheme of things. Like in the last 100 years, that's completely shifted. Like I don't have to go out and fight off

something to try to attack my family. Well, in that, like you used to, the way you do it now is through educating them, financially providing for them, socially taking care of them, psychologically being there for them. Like it's a different, it's a different war. So the way it would work in the past was more like this.

Not so much how young and physically able you are as a man. That plays a role, but rather your status in the tribe or society. So an older man who survived, like this is why men with scars on the face are considered more attractive. And so it shows he lasts, he has some resources. And what they did was the older man would continue to have kids with younger women. So he'd have this wife and they'd have kids, she would reach a certain age and have another

wife as long as he had the resources and the status. So it wasn't so much about his physical prowess. Although that also plays a role, it was more like, this is my sense of humor they think is such a... Good luck selling Courtney on that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm starting to try to fix off.

This is hilarious. Well, honey, my resources are going up. I'm gonna say you're not getting any younger. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, intelligent, yeah, I don't think I'm a little picture. You don't want to do that, dude. No, I mean, we can talk about that too, as well as more beneficial. Monogamy seems to work out much better. Where are we going with this? Yeah, much, much better, but anyway. But yeah, the whole like, the message out there

is that having kids sucks, it's expensive, it's hard, your days of fun are over, you know, life sucks, and that's like all media. Like, there's no movies or anything anything to pick to the other way. And then when they do depict dads and make this look like morons, but that's not the case, man. I mean, I hope that's one of the things that we're changing. I want to make being a dad cool, you know, I think that.

I wish I had more people that I looked up to in whatever space or thing I was into that promoted that. Because we definitely I feel like the 90s was like fast cars, bang lots of chicks, make lots of money, yachts, like that one B was the example or that right. So either your or Homer, that's a good example. You're either super smart, successful, single lots of women women and not family guy. Or your family guy, your fat, your dumb, and your drinking beer sitting watching TV at the house. Like, you're talking about how great life used to be.

Yeah. Yeah, talking about high school, talking about high school football you played or some shit. You know what I'm saying? You know what's funny too? Men know this instinctively. They don't, like, man, listen to me right now, right? So think about a scenario.

In fact, I talked about the guy I was talking about with a young dad, I told him the scenario, we were talking about it. Imagine this, imagine you had two men. One guy, single money, sleeping around with lots of women or whatever. The other guy, also successful, lots of money, can sleep around, but chooses to be loyal to his wife.

Who do you actually respect more? And most men would be like, actually, it's the dude that's loyal. It's no different than this. So different than the fighter who could whoop the shit. Who could whoop the shit out of somebody who doesn't versus the guy who goes and picks fights with everybody. So I had that happen to me once.

When I used to train in Jiu-Jitsu, I went to a bar with a bunch of my buddies and a couple of them were pro fighters. These guys could wipe the floor without anybody. And I remember we went to a bar and some drunk jerk was totally taunting one of my buddies and eventually tried to start a fight. And this guy could easily, like easily could have handled him, right? He could have beat him up in a sandwich at the same time.

It would have been embarrassing. But what did he do? He stepped back and said, hey man, listen, easily could have handled him, right? You could have beat him up in A to San, which at the same time, it would have been embarrassing. But what did he do? He step back, say, hey man, listen, I don't want to trouble. Let me buy you a, and he was totally like, and I remember, totally calm and collected. I respected him so much.

Like way more than if he had kicked his ass. If he had kicked his ass, someone like, yeah. Right, right. And that shows restraint. 100% to show that. You know, speaking of kids, you see the latest TikTok trend.

Is this the one where they're at? This one's not bad. I can get behind this a little bit. They're in the tide pods. It is way better than the tide pods. I can get behind this. It's like, they're taking like the... Salt honey.

Yeah, salt honey shots. Before work out. Yeah. There's actually some sciences. There is. That's why I'm way more for this than the gummy bear sour patch. Right, great. That's stupid. I'm way more than this than the gummy bear sour patch for creating that stupid.

I'm way more than the tide pod stupid thing they're doing. At least they're doing, honey and salt are great for you. Sugar sodium before you work out. Yeah, we're gonna get a little bit of a boost. And honestly, case, the same science that the people that we're using the sour patch kids like that is attached to the people that are using the honey. And that's a much better source if you're going to do that.

So I actually, I'm totally for it. It tastes good. I mean, when you get salt and honey, probably tastes good. Yeah, so that's probably, well that's okay. Should you just like a pinch of salt on the... Sugar and sodium, that's the same science

that it was that made the, you know, what's doctor integrity pushed the sour kids thing, okay? Yeah, summer patch kids. But one of the arguments, if you could probably go back and listen to that episode years ago that we did, is we probably said honey and salt. If you want that, go do it through natural sources

that are healthier and better for you, not all the dies and ultimately, I wanna add this though, for most people, sugar pre-workout, isn't necessary unless you're doing like these crazy long-gruling workouts. Most people have plenty of glycogen reserves. Like the G-resources.

Yeah. Hard core athletes definitely, but most people find, but those, I'll make a case for somebody else. Who? If you're in a pretty hard restricted core, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you're dieting pretty hard, yeah, then it might make you feel sleepy.

So I mean, I used to be, I used to be in a hard to come in. So I used to low carbs before my Yeah, then it might make you feel sleepy. So I mean, I used to be a part of the company. So I used to low carbs before my workouts because it made a significant, now where I'm at now, where I'm eating when I'm hungry and I eat whatever, right? Not a big difference, but when I know I'm cutting, I used to be cutting for like a show or something and I'd be depleted, depleted, depleted

and then get a nice surge of 50 to 70 grams of carbohydrates an hour before that workout. It made a big difference. Yeah, that's so special population, I would refer to like athletes. I just want to say that because I know somebody's going to try get a nice surge of 50 to 70 grams of carbohydrates an hour before that workout. It made a big difference. Yeah, that's so special population. I would refer to like athletes. I just want to say that because I know somebody's going to try it. So science door.

But average person. I'm going to clip you on TikTok. I'm going to make it. Average person, this isn't going to make a difference. But the sodium, the sodium might, the sodium probably will. Most people, unless you eat lots of heavily processed foods, you get a garbage diet, but if you had a relatively healthy diet, if you had like a packet of element

before your workout, like maybe not even 20 minutes before, 10 minutes before, because sodium gets utilized pretty quickly, if you had a packet of element before your workout, you'll notice most people notice some performance enhancements. In fact, have you guys seen all the DMs? Yeah, yeah.

For people for sure. People are like, I didn't realize it would make the... So, I thought you were full of shit. Maybe Duncan pulled up. One of you said, I think I thought sent that in our thread. Did one of you send the TikTok trend? Was it one of you? Who sent the TikTok trend?

Oh, no, I don't know. Maybe it was Jerry. Yeah, it was. So, look it up. What I don't know, and I have it look closely, is to see the amount that they're taking. Yeah. Because if you're taking this little, little... I mean, it was, so look it up. What I don't know, and I have it look closely is to see the amount that they're taking. Yeah, because if you're taking this like little, little, I mean, is it?

You know, they're not measuring it. No, I, it can't possibly be as much as what's in element, right? There's no way. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're getting 1,000 milligrams with element plus some potassium and magnesium. How many tablespoons of table salt is that?

Like three? By the way, table salt is just sodium. There's no magnesium or potassium. It's a rich balance. And there's a lot of benefits that both with what's six over 60% of the population is deficient on magnesium. So the fact that you're getting something that helps.

But the balance makes you utilize it better. Not in that. That's what I'm saying. Not only that, but then you add in the fact too that you're deficient, you're deficient and you'll feel a difference for that too. Hey, we were talking earlier about families. I gotta tell you guys about how Jessica approached, is approaching potty training with Aralius?

I'm, I'm very fascinated in this by the way. Dude, I'm rooting for you, but I don't know if I believe this is going to work. Hey, hey, hey, so it's cold. I think it's cold. Oh, there's a, there's a, there's a name or a, yeah, it's called child Land there you go dog your dogs. Yeah, yeah, you're playlists is out of you Huh now look at the tiktok stuff. Don't lie guy What was that he's got back from Japan? Still kind of yeah Did you see the panty machine Vinny machines while you're out there? Oh, yeah, you know what I look for him I Did you see the panty machine, Vinny machines while you're out there? Oh yeah. You know what, I look for them. Okay.

I actually did. I looked. Turn it. You know what, it used to be that you could buy alcohol on the street. You could go get beer, whiskey even. Really? Out of a vending machine.

I didn't see any of those anymore. So maybe they've removed a lot of those. Interesting. They still have a lot of vending machines, but mainly. You know, it's so, I was like, but mainly, I didn't even go on on the ice cream. So right now, I was like, oh man, I wish I would have had Doug.

By some for you? No. Oh, I see. I don't need you to just smuggle me dirty panties. Okay. I can find some local dirty. No. It's my heat to you.

You're very resourceful. Very resourceful. Very resourceful. Oh. Thanks for sharing. Hey, what is it? Okay, no, so go ahead, go ahead. Hey, hold on, let me tell you.

I don't know how you think it'll left on that. No, no, no, so it's called, I think it's called Child Lead, a potty training, I think it is. So she's talked to me about this up until recently. And I, you know, I trust her. She's super intuitive with kids. She knows how to read them very well.

And she's almost always right. So I trust her, even though I'm very skeptical, right? So basically it's like and I'm gonna butcher it. Sorry honey. She's gonna tell me afterwards. I totally fucked it up But anyway, it's like don't make a big deal about it. Don't bring it up Don't talk about you got to do potty here. You got to do that there and when he does choose we don't make up We don't over-selebrate. It's got to kind of be his idea. He needs to discover it So I'm like all right, whatever anyway the other day he's in the bath and it happened. He goes, uh, mama, I got to go pee. And she goes, Oh, okay. Um, we got to wait till we get out of

the bath. And he goes, but I need to go now. She goes, uh, well, you can go to the potty if you want and nonchalantly and at state silent because she coach me. And he goes, okay. From that day forward now, he has now every day, has to go to the P, he has to go take in to the potty on his own. And we don't make this big celebration about it. It's like, he tells me I'm like, wow, that's great buddy, and I leave it at that, because you're not trying to overemphasize or under-emphasize it.

It's gotta be his idea. There's no resistance, it's all him doing it on his own. So we're like on day three. And like, like he now tells Jessica when he needs to go to the bathroom. Now he hasn't done a poop in the bathroom yet. But that's coming. So I have a theory on why that's successful for you. And then why did we do it? Why did also know we changed? Right? Because I thought about it when you brought it up to the day and you know obviously I have max in school right now so I've. You have timeline that's right yeah and you and at each grade he has gone up now so we

were that we've gone up now is the second time where he's at like the school only do so much so he he has to be potty trained then it goes he has to be able to wipe himself so you have this timeline that you have to. So I bet historically before we have, you know, this school structure that we've had, only for a year of observation. It probably was smarter to like, hey, when the kid is commuting time, yeah, with the time of it, starting to piece together at his pace and you don't make a big deal about it. Oh, it's probably a lot more natural. It's more natural. The problem probably with that is that that hits for some kids at two, hits some kids at five and that range. And when you're on the school timeline, oh,

if you have a kid at pre-K, he's got to be able to do this. And then when he gets a kidney garden, he's got to be able to do this. All that anxiety you're bringing into the whole process. That's right. That makes that makes that makes the most sense to me on because I'm sure that's, and makes a lot of sense, because she's homeschooling, right, that you guys are gonna control that. So that makes sense,

that would be the smartest way to do it. There's a little pressure on, and some schools are different. Like my buddy's school, his kid won't, because Max can do everything, right? And he wipes himself even too. But I make him wipe with wet wipes so he so he he does a good job because with dry stuff He doesn't do as good of a job and so boys leaves he doesn't use the entire role

Well, when we first we first why are boys so bad? Oh, yeah, oh boys I don't know why my toilets are like overflowing. So I I Told Katrina I said um, is it like the first like weekiest cool? I noticed that I'm like he's got He's got tracks in his freaking underwear. I'm like come on like No, we're safe you guys already have old kids. They think we're not cool. So they're not gonna, we don't say,

no matter how cool everybody else might think, we might be the fuck our kids are not gonna think we're ever cool. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm gonna go back and listen to those hell of episodes, even if they are about that. I guess he'll be dinosaur, like, I know, right.

Well anyway, it'll be like, at some point, telepathy, time to do it. Right, so, okay, that he's got these skimmar. So I tell Katrina, I'm like, have them bring wipes, he's got these skimmar, so I tell Katrina I'm like have them bring wipes and he'll do it just fine and she's like I don't know if the school Let him our school. That's him my best friends school won't let him Why is it called the first I don't well you can make the the flushable ones we use flushable ones By the way for all the people that always DM me about that to there's like those so bad for the environment

You should get the bidet and stuff like that. I had the bidet for a while. Those things don't work as good as a good old fashioned wet. A real bidet does, but the bidet attachments. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, I do the bidet attachment. That's a little strong. I mean, if you really want to do that, what do you mean into?

I'm just saying, like, I'm like squirtin' fuckin' jets up. No, that's not what I'm doing. It's like, I did it for a while. That's what I'm saying. So I had the attachment thing going for a while and I can get kinda behind it, but the wet wipe is like, you know, yeah, you're in and out.

You're in and out. You can serve toilet paper that way. It's better. Just that it had to, it must've been. You must've experienced it. And you're guaranteed. You must have done it. That's some weird feelings not doing that again. No, take it off funny. I don't like this. That's what

I said on a reverse. Yeah, I don't know. Must have been somewhere in Europe, but yeah, it was strong. It's too strong. Yeah, no, those are tattoos. Is it like, so what's what is like Japan's pooping situation? Have you seen Japanese toilets? No, that's why I asked. They have the most high tech toilets. Yeah, they actually have built-in bidets.

They have like fans that will blow your butt dry this whole night. That's true. Oh, they do. Wow, let's see a picture. Do you ever see the picture? Why are we so dirty and stinky in the US? Oh, it wasn't until like my 20s,

until I met a girl who like, schooled me on that. Like, and then I got my wiping game together. I did not have my wiping game together until I was 20 No Japan they have two kinds of toilets basically. I mean they have regular toilets But they have like the old-fashioned just hole in the ground. Oh, I squat down. Okay, but that's still like you still have those Okay, typically more in public places maybe like train stations Like two feet print, but then you go into other places and they have the toilets.

And toilets in Japan, they've taken them to the next level. You know what's crazy about those though? When you've seen pictures of them, if you don't know how to read Japanese, what do you do? Exactly. There's like 85 different functions. I know you pushed the wrong button.

You're in for a good surprise. Justin would be really excited to push the little button. Yeah. Look, look at that. I'm wrong. What if you sat on that? Wow. What do you do? I don't know. the really excited to push the button. Yeah. Look, look at that. What if you sat on that? Wow. What do you do?

I don't know. Wow. It's like a video game. Two of them have butt cheeks. I'm a star. Yeah, but what are they doing to the butt cheeks? What are the tits for? What?

Those are our tits. Those are butt cheeks. Those are big tits. And wash your tits while you're at it. It's great with the face. Let's go in on you. Yeah, that's hella buttons, Doug. Yeah, and actually,

the one up at the top, there's like a Chinese character means big and then the other one means small. So what you are? So you don't know, depends on what you do. Number one or number two. Right? So you push the small button if you do a number one and push the big button if you do number number one and push the big button if you do a number Two if you need beer or flushing power if you know Concert water. Yeah, so but that's really the only button. You need to know about that machine that panel That's it, but all those buttons on the side. I mean that again the bidet. It's the the different Spray's got so it looks like there's yeah, you can actually change the position

I just say looks like there's a lot like calibrating So it's like yeah, you say you want to have it, you know, there's no right at the old one of these Calibrated just to your but hole so it's perfect. Yeah, exactly Number that would be yeah Need some custom. I would love messing with them. I go in before him super strength ultra-jump I wouldn't trust it. I said, it recalibrated. You're ready, buddy.

Huh. Yeah. I watched the movie, was it Cars 3? That's why I knew about this. I know you're an analogies lately. They're all become from the Disney cartoons. No, Mator goes into a Japanese bathroom. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, yeah. That's how I'm like, is that real? I looked it up. Can you, I know you can speak a little, can you read? I can's right. Yeah. That's how I'm like, is that real? I looked it up. Can you, I know you could speak a little jab, can you read? I can read some. Yeah. Okay. The Chinese characters, I mean, maybe okay in that situation. Yeah. I mean, there's no problem with that. They're very, well, those are Japanese characters, Chinese characters.

Well, they're, so the Japanese they use what's called kanji, which comes from Chinese. So it's basically the same characters as in Chinese, but they, but they combine it with their own writing styles They have a couple different writing styles that they combine with so and the writing style that they have is phonetic so it's they have like this kaki kukai ko Which is you know the Japanese is always a constant in a vowel basically for the most part Wow, did you have that when you taught English there? I guess you had to learn how to read some of it right because you had to had to translate. Oh, no, I did, I did no translation. It's just

more survival. You know, a couple of years ago, there was a theory that we were going to go back to like characters and emojis as, as communication like that was as the emoji like thing really kicked off. Like, where are we at with that? Have you heard that? I don't know, but it's interesting because the Chinese characters are really pictures. So for example, dog will mean dog in China or dog in Japan, but they're read differently. They different pronunciation. Because it's a picture, essentially means dog.

Got it. That's like, it's in a sense emoji. Yeah, exactly. Have you guys ever seen the keyboards, the computer keyboards on a, I think they're called stenographers in courtrooms? Have you seen them? Have you seen the keyboards, the computer keyboards, on a, I think they're called stenographers, in courtrooms, have you seen them? Have you seen the keyboard?

I haven't seen the keyboard. They use a shorthand, and it's like, it's not all the letters, it's like, it's less, it's like, is that the type so fast? It's pretty wild, have you seen them before? No, I haven't. They have these really weird, like, circular, yeah, it's kind of like, faced-in, like, yes, yeah.

And they can type super fast because they use a different form of language called, I think it's called shorthand if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, kind of, kind of. I mean, it makes sense that we would go that direction because you could communicate so much more with like a smaller amount. Now, what was the evolution to go from like, because it was obviously characters back then,

oh, when you look at the walls, like, Oh, that's the shorth short, look at the ancient Egypt. I mean, look at that little keyboard that the stenographer's used in the court. What? Yeah, weird. Because they have to move so fast to get every word. Has it always been like that?

I always thought she was typing the full words out. No, not the full words. It's shorthand, but you get all, you, you, with shorthand, you get all the words. So basically, she knows that when you put the PW space R, something together, that means like a whole set. Yes, just like, oh, wow. Kind of.

So you have to go to like school for that? Or you have to go, yeah, you do. Oh, so you get paid up? Or you just make it up. Stenographers, maybe. And you know, they're called stenographers? Stenographers. Not like a stenographer.

Stenographers, stop it. Stenographers. Stonographers. Stonographers. Stop it. Stonographers. Stonographers. Yeah, like a bubbleologist, kind of. Yeah. But I know professions. I'm sure that professions I can exist soon with AI.

It'll just record everything that's being said. Yeah. They're already doing that. Yeah. Why you even have that job anymore? Well, they're so accurate. I think that you have to be pretty highly trained, especially the higher the court You the better you have to be at doing it. Yeah, so my mom learned a new for him

31 to 69,000 a year in California. Yeah, yeah No, you know court Kind of weird stuff. Yeah, I don't think you're sitting there trying to process what's going on. You're like, do you still listening? You still listening. You do that for a living. You do that in your sleep pretty much. Yeah, but I think court cases are like what police officer?

You ever talk to a cop? Like, oh man, how excited you're talking like a fire. 99% time is born like a fire fighter. It's a fire fighter. Yeah, a fire like one fire a year. Yeah, the rest is like the rest of the time. It's not all murder type, you know, cases. That's right. That's fair.

You know, most of the time. So I don't know. So I wanted to take us a little bit into Adam's wheelhouse with this. Whoa. Yeah. Because we're always, you know, kind of conspiracy heavy over here. Okay. So yeah, NBA, but specifically W NBA, uh, it's a real house. That's a real house. I wanted to do a lot of trouble with my job. I want to ask you if this is a valid suggestion, which I thought, okay, so, Shaq, and you might have even already heard this. So, actually put out there that he was like thinking

in terms of like all these other sports, you've seen how they've kind of restructured some rules and things to make the game more exciting and have like more action and like kind of eliminate a lot of the boring parts of it and whatnot. And it's like, you know, with the WNBA, because there's no real dunks, like why not lower the hoop? So I've thought of the same thing because they play with a smaller ball. It's not like they're playing with the same size ball as a man is.

Sure. So like, why would you keep the hoop the same ball? Why is a hoop yet 10 feet? No, I agree. I think that's a, that makes sense. It makes total sense. Yeah. Why not have, because dude, think about that. Like when, you know, it's a little, and they can duck and they can get a little more aggressive aggressive. Yeah, because people, that's what people want to see. And that's what makes it exciting. So it's just to make that, like, you know, more enticing because like I mean obviously We've heard the angle of like who's even watching it. Yeah, you know Tristan you a lot a lot of true there and like so you know or we should should we do these degrading kind of outfits like they did for like the lingerie football

Yeah, that's like the stupid like but so anyway, I thought that was a legitimate Point yeah, well didn't they now didn't they change I mean they changed they Pumps show sports they pop so much money in the NBA and it doesn't make it WMBA. Oh, yeah, I make it No, but just to keep it afloat. Yeah, so but don't they change professional sports all the time to make them more exciting? Yes, yeah, okay, change rules on exciting. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Change rules. We just did it for baseball. Yeah. Don't they change it?

They just made it bigger. I mean, well, one, the three-point line was created later on. That was something, the shot clock. Like that didn't exist at all. Then it was a certain, I don't remember, the original time was. So, Pitcher now has a certain time before he has to throw the ball, which is. And the same thing with basketball, a shot clock, like you, it's sped the game up and it made it more way more offensive and exciting

because that's to be faster. Fight sports have changed a lot because that, like the original MMA was no round. You hit the ground. Yeah, that's a good, that's a really good question. Like if you're changing all these things anyways, you've got a smaller ball you're playing with, like why wouldn't you lower the hoop a little bit?

We know that dunking is more exciting and stuff like that. Like I don't know what the thought process behind that, why they wouldn't just do that. I don't know if like all of a sudden people would think that, oh just credit them, like it's not the same game anymore, but it's like you're playing with a different size ball, so it's not exactly the same already. So, it's not happening. It's not happening. So, it's, yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's exciting.

You know, the part that I think is, is so funny about this, is that like, because it's a lot of the push is like for, you know, equal, you know, everything's equal. Equals women should have this league and they should get paid the same and all stuff like that. It's like, well, if you want it all equal like that, then why don't you just put everybody in a league and if you're a good enough girl to play? Well, of course they won't. Of course they won't, but I mean, you can't, you can't ask for it to be like

exactly equal, but then we also segregate it. It's playing to their strengths. Like I think we also segregate it. Play into their strengths. I think that's ridiculous to think it's the same thing. Well, pay the pay thing silly. They actually make, they actually, I don't remember, I think it was basketball, might be soccer, actually make a greater percentage of the amount of money they bring in than the men do.

So, Whoa, what'd you say? I think it's basketball, but it might be soccer. What? That the women's team, but it might be soccer. That the women's team, they make less than the men, obviously in the argument, which is a very valid one, is they just bring in less money. So you're making less money.

But as a percentage of the money they bring in, they actually make a greater percentage than the men do. Oh, of course. Yeah, yeah, no, like significantly. Yeah, and a lot of that is funded by the the NBA or the NFL or that they're pumping money into it so they can pay those salaries and do that. It's not even built. It's not run like a legitimate business.

It's probably, now here's where I'll like before I get, you know, crucified for all this stuff. There, there was a time when nobody watched men's basketball. There was a time when hardly anybody watched the NFL. Right. And part of what got it really popular was just the awareness around. Sure. Okay. So, so you take time. Also, the game, if you watched basketball in the 50s and 60s, it looks like women's basketball right now. It was like very slow. A lot of layups, a lot of make shots. You know, it's just, wasn't as exciting.

And so, you know, maybe it's just gonna take time of evolving more awareness, greater athletes can introduce to that. And I think that is the thought process on like why practice up? Why keep trying to make it happen like that is that this hope that, you know, in 15, 20 years from now, women's basketball will look a lot different than what it looks like now because you've attracted

a much greater population of people that are interested in it and they've gotten better and better and better sport. Okay, so now on the completely opposite flip of the coin into the men's realm, you've seen an example of somebody like Eric Berry who used to shoot his percentage, was like 89% free throw shooter, and was like really one of the highest percentages out there in terms of consistency. You don't see that kind of high average,

but his style was completely unconventional, was like super like granny underhand. Oh, is that what you do? Shut, nobody's done replicated that since. Do you know that? You've had some guys do it a little bit. Okay, but there's a player. There's a player for God, I'm gonna draw a blank right here, but it doesn't matter for the point who actually switched to shooting his free throws with the opposite hand

and as a better free throw shooter. And so you've seen guys that have kind of tried it a little bit. Do you know why people try it by the way? The physics of underhand throwing a free throw is better. and so you've seen guys that have kind of tried it a little bit. Do you know why people try it, by the way? The physics of underhand throwing a free throw is better. The odds of you making it. Because the arc, the backspin, the physics of it are much better than the traditional way that they try to make the shot. Now obviously when you're playing, you don't want to do that

because you'll get knocked out your hands. But with the free throw, I remember specifically I had a science teacher who broke it down and taught us like, you know, that is the indefensible like cream hook shot, right? The sky hook. That was another one you don't see ever. Yeah, you don't see a lot. You don't see a lot.

I think a lot of it's just because it hasn't, it's not taught at a young age, you know, keep doing it, but I bet you have somebody actually really promoted and taught that kind of underhand free throw. You know, since we're talking about sports, we've been able to see a very small window to ever do this. I know. You will find interesting things. Too many good you did.

There's a baseball player. So I used to say that what we haven't seen yet in baseball and one day we're going to see this is a player. And there is a guy right now. And of course, I'm going to draw a blank on his name too. That is a pitcher who's crushing home runs. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's rare, isn't it? That hasn't happened. We haven't had like a, we haven't had a dominant pitcher

who's also dominating home. And that to me would be, it would be the greatest like baseball player you could ever have. It's just your normal, you specialize throwing and so that. How nervous would you be as a general manager, like a coach? Oh, but that he's that he's doing because that's if you've used your star picture and then going up there to home play. And you probably know who this. Yeah, his name is show. Hey, O'Tani. Thank you, buddy. Wait, wait, hold on. Turned up as Mike. Who's it again? Was it up? Yeah. Oh, my bad. My bad. Oh, yeah. Show. Hey, O'Tani. Wait, and where'd he come from? Japan. Yeah. So he actually led Japan to win the world's the world classic when they played against us

T. Me. O. Say and they won it Wow, and what's what is he right where is he right now and home runs for in comparison? I'm like where's he ranked right now? He's like he's amongst like the top he's like probably top five. Yeah, wow Yeah, and he's like it's like a little shut He's like the best of the best pitching and hitting. Yeah. That's remarkable. That's never happened. He was never for interesting.

I don't know why I didn't think the default to you right away. Sorry, Andrew. I was like, he's a bass ball. Yeah, we have the baseball guru guy in here right now. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Remarkable. Yeah.

Baseball. Is that the most popular sport in Japan? Well, I don't know if it's the most popular, but it's very, very popular. Do they play differently there than they do here? Is there a different strategy or is it the same? Yeah, don't you remember when, was it each hero, was like one of the strategy was the first pro.

They played games, but like he was like one of the first players to come over to the US and like focus on like these little dinkers, like intentionally. Like we have this kind of like we glorify home runs and the big hits and focus on like these little dinkers, like intentionally. Like we have this kind of like, we glorify home runs and the big hits and crush on the ball and so like that. And he would like, he was on placement. Yeah, you come up and like really just like slap the ball.

You know it's funny, you remember when Karan played with us. Yeah, so you know he, he referenced the other day about how we did softball. All of us as trainers and we ended up sucking. Karan, he played cricket growing up. And he was a world class badminton player. Yeah.

And so he gets up now. He never played baseball or softball, but he's on our softball day. And he was great. But he would like slap it. Yeah. It looked so unconventional, but he was like one of the best hitters on our team. Yeah. Because the way he played.

He did hit those gaps. Every time. Yeah. He was really good at placing the ball wherever he wants to. And he looked where the gap was and then he just kind of slapped it over there. And it was a bit of crushing the whole run. That's interesting. Uh huh.

Yeah, I mean, from a outside perspective, I guess, because sports, especially professional sports, it's such a, like, it's to the point now where you're, you're the best of the best can play. And so many people play the particular sport that the body types that make you the best can play in so many people play the particular sport that the body types that make you the best at a particular position are not the same body types that make you good at other positions. I think football is probably the most clear. Whatever makes you a great lineman, probably ain't going to make you a good, maybe wide receiver

or cornerback. Speaking of that, this is weird to me. Lewis House, who references being this, you know, pro football player guy or whatever at one point in a screw. Arena football, right? He did arena football and he posted the other day, his card, never in my life. And so in arena football, like you can't do this in the NFL,

but in arena football, you can play both ways, just like high school and stuff. You can play defense and you can play offense. Where do they call that iron? Glad, who's it? Iron man, what do you mean? You just call that when you play, when they play both play offense. Really call that iron, glad, isn't it? Yeah, iron man. We just call that when you play, when they play both positions in their term for that both ways.

No, not that. You don't know if they have a term. Anyway, go ahead. I thought there's a term when you play. Like when you play football, everybody plays both sides. It's the same position. It's the same,

same people play both sides of defense. Well, it's not, it's actually not like that. It's just some guys are talented enough that they'll play both sides of the ball. But I've never seen what he, linebacker and wide receiver. That seems so odd. Yeah, because to your point about body types and positions,

like you would see a wide receiver go to corner or safety, because you want to be leaner, fast, you know, add jump. Yeah, Lanky, like that, that's the same type of bodies. You can see this kind of crossover. Right. I've never seen a crossover with a linebacker to why it's really wide receiver, maybe tight end, but even that is weird. Interesting.

Yeah. Linebacker, you're more beefy. Yeah. You need to take on a lot more mass, you know, in front of you. So and you got to be explosive and all that. So, I don't see the pairing there, linebacker. Yeah, BFFK. Yeah, you would see linebacker

and what, running back or something like that. Totally, that's usually the pairing. I thought running backs were typically shorter than linebacker, so. Or is that just, linebackers aren't normally tall. Linebackers are normally short. Yeah, well, yeah, they're not typically that tall.

I mean, really, it's like you're the bulldog out there like trying to basically establish that, like help support the defensive line. Football is the most tack, you're the attacker. It's the most like war if you look at it really. Cause you got like your jets, you're the one that makes all the tackles if your systems working right.

Ah, interesting. So I heard that, was you having the brusse up that the prime drink is getting sued potentially? So dumb though. It won't stand up over 200 milligrams. Now, wait, hold on, what's the explain? Okay, so the, I'm assuming it has to do with caffeine,

you just have to listen. Okay. Yeah, it's saying that it's dangerous. So, and I, why I think it's getting news and why someone even is attempting to is because how popular it's become with kids. And you've brought this up Justin, like at your kids school, like, prime. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, honestly, it's a status. Okay, like they're like, I'm a prime or like it's prime or gatorade.

Right. One or the other. And so I think that's why they're coming after prime is because I think for the first time, energy drinks were more popular for like high school and above, like drinking caffeine, coffee, any of that stuff like that. And it's only been in the last decade or two, not even two decades, less decade, has these energy drinks made its way to the younger population.

And arguably prime is, you need to find the stat if you guys can find the stat at all, but I bet you that prime is got to have the youngest caffeine drinking audience than any other energy drink. And so that's what they're coming up. But it's only 200. If bang and rain and all those other ones, there's 300 milliliters. So it's Chuck Schumer. Yeah. Chuck Schumer is calling on the FDA to investigate high caffeine content and Logan Paul's prime energy drink. Not okay, look, here's a deal. I kind of agree with this, but not prime. I do agree that caffeine should have some regulation.

100%. I agree too, but you can't single out prime. Well, he's doing that because it's. Pop prime, yeah, exactly. But I do think that caffeine should be regulated to some extent. you can't single out prime. Well, he's doing that because it's... Pop prime, yeah, exactly. Yeah. But I do think that caffeine should be regulated to some extent. To most cues, younger, 18 to 25 is much younger

than the traditional sports drink market. Yeah, see, that's why I figured. Yeah. And I would say, it says 18 to 25. But they have two, the confusing part is they have a primates like the gatorade, or it's just more electrolytes. It's like a sugar sports drink versus

their one with caffeine. Yeah, but you know what we got, pop. But you know the ones, yeah, right? It's just more electrolytes. It's like a sugar sports drink versus their one with caffeine. But you know what we got. But you know the ones, yeah, it's a drug. That's the thing, the kids will go to the ones with the caffeine. Yeah. Well, look, again, actually a lot of people don't realize this. Caffeine is a drug and it has legit withdrawal and it has a addictive property.

It we found caffeine today. It would be illegal. It would be illegal. We would want to do g fuel, which is even worse. So that's because of the video game culture. Yes, that is another one that's up there in caffeine. I don't know. G fuel might be like 180, but still it's closed.

It's crazy. Yeah, go to the other one. Listen, the LD50 for caffeine is low, meaning a certain amount, I forgot what the doses will kill like half the people. Well, the fact that there's any sort of negative effects and there is no like a kid could go by nine of them and no one tells him he can't drink nine in a row. That's dangerous.

That would be hell. He wouldn't know. Yeah, he'd die. No, actually it was a kid that died from, they were selling caffeine powder that you could take by the scoop and the kid, yeah, he took them but he took too many scoops and he ended up dying. I've heard horrible stories about that too. Like the kid that's going to camp that's bringing

all of the drinks with caffeine to sell them inevitably they had like a vending machine there. So all the kids were just buying them from the vending machine ends up drinking them all himself and then like, I don't know if he died, but he got very like death. Yeah, isn't it strange that like the things that we try and regulate and stop and so on and that, but it has to be money though, right? I mean, there's so much money in energy drinks and caffeine and stuff like that, that it's like the toothpaste is out of the tube or whatever.

Well, in the past, it wasn't really an issue to have to regulate caffeine because you got caffeine from coffee and kids don't like coffee. Coffee, coffee, well, yeah, they might now because we make them like ticks like milkshake. Well, we talked about this on the show years ago. It was eight years ago when we first was because I remember we had that Starbucks on Lincoln right down the road from the original studio. And I remember being super like, oh my god, like I walk into Starbucks and I'd see,

you know, some lady in there with her two or three little kids that were getting all these, you know, I think they had like a unicorn drink and they had all these like that were that had caffeine in them like what are you doing? Like introducing that to them that early like that's crazy. You know Starbucks Regulates their nitro. Yeah, I can't get I can't get more than a grande that's right Pizzes me off every time remember I had the hack for a while there. Oh, yeah, I For a while there I had a hack for that I two. For a while there, I had a hack for that. I would like because they always ask you the size if you don't tell them size, like, Oh, I'll have a nitric cold for my body. Like, Oh, what size?

The biggest you give me, you know, and then sometimes they want to be cool and like hook you up with a bigger size, but they're not allowed to. They're not supposed to give you more than a grand because they know they know that. It's a strong. Okay, now explain the logic behind that. That's not over 200 milligrams in a in a in, in a, in a Grande. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Grande Nitro's close to three. Give me the breakdown on that.

It's like, it's like, it's close to three 50s. No, no. No. I think it's two 75 or two. Two, it's almost, how much? Oh, two 80s. Two 80s. All right. So it's almost 300. In a Grande. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. You're right. It is flying. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So boy, when I was getting those venti three, you got your, your bus and did, you had right. It is flying. Yeah. Wow. So boy, when I was getting those venti Yeah, your bus indeed you had a venti nitro. Yeah. I still was with you. Yeah. What would that be? So what's the ounces and well, ounces hello out of venti is so a grand day is what 18 ounces and then the venti is is the 20 ounces and so it's another two ounces. No, it's got to be more than that. So it must be 16 and 20. 16. I don't think I think that's what it is.

12 and 16. 16 for Grande, Venti is 24. Oh, well, snap. We're like, Venti is 24. Yeah. 24 ounces. So you, you, you have like 400, wouldn't that be Venti quad throw?

Yeah. Well, that'd be Venti quad throw to make sense. No, no, you're the Spanish. I say extra large. I just say extra large. Yeah, well, I thought they were to make sense. I don't know. You're the Spanish people. I say extra large. Okay. I just say extra large. Yeah, well, I thought they were always based off the, uh, I don't know.

You know, they have one size bigger, the Trenta. 30. 31 ounces. That makes no sense. It'll be Trenta Uno. Yeah. Why would that be that? Well, Italian probably.

Is it, is it, is it Italian differently that? It's no, you got it. You got it. It's like, it's very tough in Spanish got it. It's very close to Spanish. Very similar. That's very good. Yeah, I wouldn't go with that. That's the linguist.

Speaking of stimulants, I've been reading a lot lately about an herb that's been used traditionally for over 2,000 years, ginseng. I've been reading a lot about ginseng because one of our partners has a product that I started using and I really started to, I'm really enjoying its effects and I'm looking at the ingredients and I'm familiar with all the other ingredients but it's got ginseng in there which I haven't taken in a long time and I think it's the ginseng that's added to it that's causing the effect. So it's joy mode. And it's a, they advertise it as a supplement to improve sexual enjoyment, that kind of stuff.

But really what it does is it boost nitric oxide. And so I use it as a pre-workout because you also want more blood flow when you work out. And do you think that's the main reason why you feel that? Why it feels different than when I take other things that have all the other stuff in there. Like the citrulline and then, you know, got it. Yeah, and it's got to be the ginseng now ginseng again

It's been around for a long time. Yeah, I've heard about ginseng It's a classic adapted gin. It's got you know mental boosting qualities mood boosting qualities mild stimulant boosting qualities. It's it's one of those herbs out there has been used for so long, longevity, it's a longevity herb. Really interesting. So I've been reading more and more about it. And yeah, it's cool to rediscover something I haven't looked into it from.

You know the first time I've ever heard about gents? You guys remember the first drink or thing that you remember ginsenging in? Oh, God. Sobe. Oh, sobe. Yeah. Remember sobe?

Easy. What happened to them? They had a... No, they may still be around. They picked pick you up. Yeah, we're so be drinks at they do you still Never with a little get coater is like power bar had a little get goes over on that They were huge at one point. What they yeah, they pixie dust the crowd. Yeah, they still some they do Still around yeah, they're still around who they own by and they all but just so be there's like coke already bottom Pepsi Owns them before yeah, yeah, Pepsi or Coke own every Yeah, it's yeah, it's corner. They do but but Jim the first time I tried jinsing. I was a kid because my uncle's an herbalist and

He you know what remember one time I saw something I said bar a little bottle of jinsing and I took it and I thought I felt something from it But I took it off 12 so I don't know if that's a good age something from it, but I took it all 12, so I don't know if that's a good age. But you're like in class and you just like you didn't want to answer any questions. No, well that happened anyway. Do you think if you're an herbalist you're also probably a good cook too? What? Yeah, because you know a lot about all the herbal spicy. No, not really.

No, no, you ever have, I feel like you would. Have you ever had real, you ever had an herbalist who's not a good cook Yeah, I'm uncle Have you ever already dismantled? Have you ever had real like have either one of you ever been to someone who practices Chinese medicine and given you like powders and stuff to treat you? You have yeah, Mike Katrina's their acupuncturist is also an herbalist. Do they ever taste good? No, never. Yeah. So no, they're not, they're not

looking at making it taste good. I think your knowledge behind it. So like, I mean, in your, your learnings around, or that you learn also the ones that you cook with you. I know I understand that like you don't use, you know, ginseng in your pasta or what are what that. So, but I mean, I would think that you probably have the most experience, right? You've done a lot of Chinese medicine. Yeah, it had never tasted. He's also the best cook. Yeah, well He just I don't know how to formulate that stuff. It's really about the effect right not about the flavor Yeah, a lot of my teeth too. Look at you powder You have to make them into teas and then drink the powder at the

Tinctures, tinctures and stuff like that. Speaking of cooking I have a different shot out for us today So I follow this guy and I think I found him because, remember when Trigger sent us the trigger, and that we were briefly, oh, I saw this, yeah, I follow him too. Working with, so that's, I think I originally found him, because I think he's sponsored by Trigger also. This guy's name is Kendrick underscore BBQ, and the dude just barbecues his ass off.

And he's got, I mean, just drops recipe after recipe of like really cool. So there's this, I think you learned from him. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, no, so I watch, I mean, I want, he's not the only guy I watch by what, I mean, I'm actually dougger you into like watching barbecue dudes and channels, like I follow a few.

I do if there's something that, it's just, it's something specific. I want to cook, then I follow a few. I do if there's something that's... There's something that's... There's something specific I want to cook, then I'll follow somebody for sure. So if I want to learn how to make a really good recipe, then I'll start doing research. I mean, it's one of those things that we're, you know, we're this generation that like we still haven't fully adopted all these great resources.

Like I remember when I first like start, I'm like, what am I doing? Like you've got these people that like are absolutely brilliant at doing these things, like I remember when I first like start I'm like what am I doing like you've got these people that like are Absolutely brilliant at doing doing these things like I just follow their recipes So yeah a lot of the stuff that you've seen me grill. It's because that's not cuz I figured it out You guys break it down you and you and you and Doug in particular That's not scientific. It's not me is cuz I've learned I've why I follow enough of these guys and pay attention And I see these little hacks. And everyone has different styles and so I'll try something out

and some styles mesh with my style. And so it's something that I'll adopt and it's now. I never thought twice about barbecue until we went to Texas. And then it shattered my... Just destroyed here from every other barbecue. I just, I remember we ate the first time barbecue there and I was like, what the, you know what?

If I've been even doing. So I have a, this is so different. Doug, I would like to hear your point and theory on this, like why Texas is so special in that way. And my thought process is the two biggest factors. Obviously there's all kinds of style and different things that, but the two biggest differences is I think

quality of meat and slow cooking is their thing. Slow cooking. Yeah, I think there's a whole culture. The culture. So culture around it. So you got so many people doing it, the cream rises to the top. Right, and that's a good point. That would add to that.

That would add to that. So you have this great source of meat. You got a culture around slow cooking and you being good at it. And so it just brings it. Look, it's the same reason why you'll get great Italian food in New York. You'll get great Mexican food in California.

It's like, it's all about the culture. And here are barbecue culture sucks. And it's just disgusting. It's so bad. But we got other food that's why we got to eat it. And you know, Santa Maria try tips, you know, to my point is, because you know,

in saying we, what, you know, California, the Bay Area, especially, is like all about, you know, fast, fast life and so with that, like, if you're slow, if you like to slow cook, like, that's not the, I mean, that's the only reason why I don't barbecue even more is because I do like to slow cook and now you're committing, you know, four hours to eight hours or four of, you know, working the grill.

So it's like, I gotta have the time and the weekend to do that and I just, this, no wonder why dad's like barbecue. All right, I'll be on time for the pro hours. Pro, don't bother me. Yes, golf barbecue all the way. You know, from barbecue to shit. Those are like the three places. A man can get away.

It is 40s with children. It's like that sums it up. I can tell my wife, oh, I gotta go, I'm gonna grill that brisket. Oh, you know, brisket, see, I said, long cook. I'll be out there for 10 hours. Yeah, I can't wait for my tree.

Yeah, I'm gonna go. Stay there with golf trees. Stay there with golf. I'm gonna go around a golf. I'm say, I'd say, I'd treat. Yeah, I'd say, I'd treat. Stay there with golf trees, stay there with golf. I'm gonna go around a golf. That's why I think like sooner or later, almost all dads, like no matter how shitty you are, you pick golf up because you figure that part out. Or mechanics, right?

They'll just sit in there and like have a project where they just, these literally are looking at the engine and drinking beer and just like, yeah, how funny is that? Those are all the things that we're drawing. I'm doing it with you. Look, if you eat a lot of meat because you're trying to get a lot of protein, check out butcher box.

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Hi, how are you guys? Great. Wow, this is like so crazy that I'm actually talking to you. Before I go into my whole little story for you, I just want to say that I switched careers from being a full-time hairstylist to a personal trainer two years ago at 30 years old and I listen to you guys every single day on my way to and from work and I just want to say thank you. You guys have helped me so much with coaching my clients, especially since I've only been doing it for a short time. Yeah, thank you.

Appreciate that. Great. All right. I'm just going to read my email because there's a lot that goes into it on this way I can try to stay organized. A bit of a backstory. Four years ago, I was 200 pounds over the course of about two years. I lost 50 pounds naturally through diet and exercise. And ever since then, I've always gotten into the range of being like 150 to 155, around 25% body fat. And that's kind of like where my body likes to stay most of the time. When I get to lean out a little bit below that,

around 18 to 20% body fat, usually like 140 to 147, I've gotten down into that range multiple times in my life, but every time that I go to reverse out of it and try to stay a bit leaner. I always tend to remain in a body fat percent and weight that I'm comfortable with unless I'm tracking my food. I did compete for WBFF in April this year and I got down to 17% body fat. And since then I put on about 13 pounds of fat back on. I did feel like I struggled with some of like the post show binging and things like that. I recently did a body scan and I'm back up to about 24% body fat. With that, about nine months ago, I was diagnosed with PCOS and endometriosis.

I have some hormonal issues. I got blood work done. My progesterone was completely undetectable. My testosterone was very, very low. I got blood work done and my progesterone was completely undetectable and my testosterone was very, very low. So I've now started hormone replacement with creams with both of those drugs. Basically, my question is, I just am in a place where I don't know where to turn. I've struggled over the last couple of years putting on muscle.

I can't seem to stay in a place of leanness that makes me happy. I feel like I'm really good at coaching my clients. But when it comes to figuring out the right path for me, I'm't seem to stay in a place of leanness that makes me happy. I feel like I'm really good at coaching my clients. But when it comes to figuring out the right path for me, I'm just not sure which way to go. I'd like to get a little leaner, but I don't know if that's something I should focus on right now, where my focus should be and what steps I should take to progress over the next year. Yeah, great question. Yeah. Based off of what you're saying, I would focus on getting healthy. Yep. And that's going to get you where you want to go. First off, a load of mid body fat percentage in the 20s. Yeah. There's a healthy place to be for a woman, especially if she's fit. So if you

work out and you're in that range, that's a healthy place to be because of the shows that you competed in, because you lost a lot of weight before, I'm gonna guess that there was a lot of potential overtraining, overtraining. Endometriosis and PCOS are very closely connected to insulin resistance as well. So, and sometimes this isn't show up on tests. Low test, and now hormone imbalances are often the result of and not necessarily the cause

of certain issues. So what will happen is you'll go on progesterone to testosterone, you'll feel better, but the root cause might not necessarily be addressed. Have you seen a functional medicine practitioner or has this only been through a hormone doctor? Just through a hormone doctor? I have not. Okay. Just through a hormone doctor. Okay. A functional medicine practitioner would be a where I would go. I would work with them.

Okay. And look at your gut. In your email, you also wrote about inflammatory foods. That's something I was going to ask, like, how accurate you think those types of tests are? Because I know you deal with a lot of gut issues and things like that. Well, they're a starting point, but they don't tell you the whole picture. But if you do one of those tests,

and there's like a bunch of foods that light up on that, then I would look at gut health is what I would do. And people who over-trained, over-diet, lots of stress, those are all stresses on the body, tend to develop gut issues because it affects motility, gut wall permeability. So I would work with a functional medicine practitioner to find some of the root issues,

and then I would work on getting healthy. And then what will happen is you might get leaner just from doing that, you probably will, without having to worry about cutting, and over training and pushing yourself and all that stuff. So that's 100% where I would look. And they're going to look at your insulin sensitivity. They'll probably test your A1C, they'll look at your fasting glucose. They might look at your thyroid. Oftentimes, you go get your

thyroid tested. Levels look normal, but they don't look for things like antibodies, so you could have normal thyroid, but antibodies are actually making it like you have no thyroid. So that's another thing that you want to look at. So very often, PCOS and endometriosis have lots of other things that are contributing to that, and you want to find, you want to kind of look and find the root cause versus covering it up. See, a lot of women will actually go on birth control to cover up those symptoms, or they'll go on, you know, hormones like you are. Nothing wrong with hormone therapy,

but at 30 years old, otherwise healthy, I would say there's something else that's probably contributing to that, and I would say there's something else that probably contributing to that. And I would address those things. Otherwise, what's going to happen is you'll please catch up game for your entire life, which is it sounds like you're getting tired of playing that. It's been a long time. Like it's great to not be in that higher weight range anymore, but there's still just like that small area that I can't seem to break through. So that's good. Yeah, and I think too that you do your,

I mean, we're all gonna say almost the same thing, but definitely do your best to kind of let go of the body composition right now and purely focus on just health. So like my training focus with you would be like, let's talk about mobility, let's talk about strength. Like we're focusing on those things. Like I don't want the scale, I don't want the body fabr percentage, we're not gonna talk about stuff right now. Let's get about mobility, let's talk about strength. Like we're focusing on those things. Like I don't want the scale, I don't want the body fat percentage.

We're not gonna talk about stuff right now. Let's get you healthy. Let's talk about how you feel, let's talk about how strong you are, let's talk about how mobile you are, and kind of let that go right now as we're trying to get to the root cause of what's going on. Because if you're constantly watching that,

that'll kind of be a mind fuck, right? Cause you can easily go up a few body fat percentage in the pursuit of getting healthier. And it doesn't mean you're going the wrong direction. You can actually be going in the right direction, but if you're hung up on that, it could cause you to take a left when you were heading the right direction. So my advice is, if I, you were my client would be,

let's not, let's not think about that right now. You're in a good place right now, really body fat percentage wise. Let's really focus on the health aspect and the way I would do that through training would be focused on strength and mobility. Yeah, now Brittany, the worst thing you could possibly do would be to try to do another show.

So I hope you're not thinking about signing up for another show, that's after you. Okay, good, don't do that. Yeah. But just to sell this a little better, okay? If you work with a functional medicine practitioner, they find some kind of root issues that you? If you work with a functional medicine practitioner, they find some kind of root issues that you could start to work with, this, here's why that's such

a, um, a good thing to do. It'll make being lean and strong and fit and healthy, easy. So right now it feels like a struggle. If it feels like you're always kind of clung at it and if you just go off a little bit, oh my god, my body responded this weird way and I got to push things into the... I'm exactly what happens. Yeah, so you can, you could literally put you by improving your health and finding some of these root issues, you're gonna get to a place where you're gonna be like, and I've seen this so many times of clients where they come to me and they go, this is really weird, like I'm doing half the work

and I look and feel way better. It almost feels like it's too easy. Like, well, that's because you're working with your body rather than fighting against it and not addressing some of these issues. So again, I think a functional medicine practitioner. Now, the other side of this is this, Brittany, you're a trainer.

How long have you been training people? Two years. Okay. A functional medicine, you need to have one in your back pocket for your clients as well. One of the best. Okay. It's the best partnership I ever had

for my clients was a good functional medicine process. Just going through this process get to make you a hell of a trainer. It will make you an amazing training. You can do it early. Right. And then you'll have somebody there that you could refer your clients to.

And you'll also know what to look for. The only reason why I know, like what I'm saying to you about PCOS and endometriosis is not because I'm a functional medicine practitioner, it's because I've worked with them so many times that I've had clients like you and then they've come and solved those issues and I saw, oh, this was the issue and I can see these trends. But insulin insensitivity is very common with those things. And there's lots of things that can cause it and gut inflammation tends to be at the top

of those things. So again, look at those. We have a forum on Facebook called NP Holistic Health. Go ahead and get in there. It's totally free. They have functional medicine practitioners in there that will answer questions for you. And then the, the practitioners in there work with Dr. Stephen Cabral is one of the best in the business. So you could go with him, Dr. Becky

Campbell is another good functional medicine practitioner. Go to Cabral. You could look into they're all, they're all really, really good, but go to MP holistic health.com. Thank you. You got it. No problem. By the way, workouts wise, are you following any of our programs? I'm not following any of you or specifically. I did want to purchase one when I was off of show prep and I just wasn't sure which one would have been right for me. So I am following a program right now, but it's not one of yours either.

Anabolic or 15. Yeah. Let me do this for you because you're a trainer. I think maps at a ball will be great for you. I think maps prime pro will be great for you for your clients. Thank you. So we're gonna send both those to you, okay?

Very exciting. Thank you guys so much for everything. Appreciate it. You got it. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. I mean, you feel better with the hormone therapy, but if you don't solve the issue.

That's probably the one the one knocks I have on hormone replacement therapy is as amazing as it can feel. It could also mask what really else is going on and you're just really kicking the can down the road and eventually you're gonna have to address that stuff anyways. But I mean, when you're a trainer, like, and if you have any, I wish I knew someone like

Dr. Cabral when I was in my 20s and trying to figure my own shit out, like, one, it would be an amazing to go through that process and learn about myself, but even more valuable, like the education of like going through that so I can now communicate that to my clients. Like, I would have been such a better coach and trainer had I had someone like him in my back pocket or had gone through the testing and learned from him so I can then communicate that.

I mean he's even got so we all learned that. He has, we have those forums established. He's got for coaches and trainers that are listening to this. I mean, I mean, has courses and certifications where he teaches you how to read labs. That's so valuable to be able to do that and help your clients out. Like, 100% if I was still a trainer, that would have been something that I would have done just for that reason.

It's selfishly you get the benefits of learning about your own body, which that's kind of like a no-brainer, but then what that's gonna do for you is a closer trainer. You send yourself aside from all the competition, you provide better service, your clients, get better results.

It's just, it's such a no-brainer. I mean, if you're not thinking constantly about how to better educate yourself as a trainer and how to like incorporate a bigger network of people that can help, then you know, what are you doing? If you're, as a trainer, you understand exercise, you understand technique and work out programming, you understand basic sin nutrition. So that's your expertise, but you need people around you that you can work with that can solve problems that you can't. And when you can do that for your clients,

you become invaluable, they come to you for all the issues that the traditional medicine can't fix, because you say, do you know somebody that can help me with this? And then you have somebody, and it makes you just so valuable. Yep. Our next caller is Nate from Utah.

Nate, what's happening? How can we help you? Good, how are you guys? Good, good, man. Good, good. This is kind of surreal. I've been listening to you guys for a couple of years now and it's pretty awesome to see you guys in person or at least through the camera. Cool, thanks, man. Yeah, so just to give you some backstory before I asked my questions. So about six years ago, I kind of was super depressed, super overweight.

I'm five foot eight and I was 240 pounds. So, you know pretty pretty big decided to you know enough was enough and I wanted to change so I started getting into lifting, I started getting into running and I ended up losing, I ended up getting down to about 195 pounds, just watching what I was eating, doing that, all that type of stuff. Kinda yo-yoed back and forth for about six years, started getting into endurance races, half marathons, marathons, kinda doing all that stuff. While I, you know, in between that, I was kind of lifting as well. So keeping that in the mix.

So fast forward until now, which brings me, you know, to my question, about a year ago, I decided to, I wanted to kind of step it up a little bit, just because I'm super go oriented. And I signed up for, well, I hired a coach to do a bodybuilding competition. So, I started with him in October of last year, and we did about, so about nine months and kind of went through that whole entire process, the prep, the grueling, all that stuff. And I competed June 10th, so about four weeks ago. With that being said, the prep messed me up pretty bad. I got down to, so again, I was 5-8, when I first started

with this prep, I was 196 pounds. I got down to so the day of my show I weighed in at 169 pounds and I was eating 14 hundred calories, 14 to 15 hundred calories a day, doing two hours plus cardio a day. It was, as you guys obviously know, it was pretty grueling and it it taxed me pretty good. So anyway, I got on stage, I competed, I checked off that goal. Well now, which you know, brings me to my question. My coach kind of just left me high and dry afterwards, didn't help me through the reverse process, didn't help me through that whole entire, you know, that period where from what I was reading and from my, the research I was doing is extremely pertinent, especially getting back to healthy, you know, hormone levels and all that stuff. So, I did my own research, again, you know, internet can tell you all sorts of stuff.

And from what I researched, the studies, they did studies on, you know, going right back to what you started prep at. So for me, starting prep, I was eating about 25, 100 calories right at the beginning. So I kind of pretty quickly went back to that. Well, as you guys can probably already know in already tell or whatever, but I ended up putting on some weight pretty quickly. So just to give you some context. I was 169 pounds obviously like I said and now I'm sitting at about 180 pounds The crazy thing obviously I put some I put some weight on the crazy thing about it is that you know It's not super crazy because the you know, I obviously know the hormones are a lot better But I feel phenomenal in the gym right now.

I mean, I feel like I've never felt before, which is pretty crazy. So I guess my question for you is, do I guess where do I start, right? Do I go back and kinda like, cause my big thing is I wanna be, I don't have any plans of competing again right now in the future,

but I want to stay lean, right? I don't want everyone to get up to that point. I'm having a hard time mentally seeing myself the way that I am right now. So. So, 169 to 180 is actually not that bad. It's 11 pounds.

And it may feel that way, because you were so lean and so shredded, but you gotta get your factory in. Half of that water. Yeah, water depletion, carbohydrate depletion. You're gonna have a quick five to six on that's healthy and good right away. So even if you put a couple extra pounds on,

it's not bad. I've seen people put 30 pounds on bro in a week. Like that's, yeah, that's where it gets really bad. So I actually think that you're not that bad.. I wouldn't have taken you from 1500 back to your show prep 2400 cut. I would have actually went from 1500 to 1700 to 1800 to I would have I would have walked you up that way while simultaneously backing you out of the cardio So like we might what we would probably start at, let's say, 2,000 calories and then take a carve off an hour of cardio.

And we'd stay there for a little bit to let your body level out. And then I ask you to bump your calories another 100 to 200 calories and then drop off another half hour cardio. So that's kind of how I would do it. And there is no, the reason why there's so much damn information on the internet, there's no perfect right answer

because it's gonna be individual to the person. And this is where the coaching process with me would be like, okay, how do you feel, how are we looking, are we not putting on too much weight? And as long as we're not putting on excessive weight as we reverse diet out, I'm gonna just keep etching those calories up and start to slowly back out

all the cardio that you're doing. You did highlight something that I've talked about on the show many times and Sal has experienced this because he's dieted so extreme before too. It's the feeling of refeeding the body after it's been depleted for so long that is the most an field. It feels more anabolic than steroids does to me. It's the wildest feeling. And so that's, I mean, and I think a lot of that is just your body thanking you in telling you like, this is, I needed that. I needed to be fed.

And yeah, and it's just, you're primed to build right now. So you're in a good place. I don't think you're doing a bad job either, bro. So I mean, go easy on yourself, the fact that you put 11 pounds, that's not that big of a deal. Nate, are you still doing all that cardio? I'm not. I pretty quickly dropped it off just because, you know, time commitments. I'm actually, I'm an electrician. So I'm out in the heat. I'm out in all my feet walking. Yeah. I mean, I was walking without the cardio about 10,000 steps a day And then I added the cardio on top of it. It was just extra. So bodybuilding coaches are the worst

Coaches that are out there just just for health. They're just the absolute worst Yeah, but you said something and I so I want to help you out and I want to work with you Rather than trying to work against your nature. So first off, we have a reverse dieting guide. I'll send that to you. So it's kind of breaks down what a reverse diet, it kind of generally should look like. So I'll send that to you.

But you mentioned how your goal oriented. You did endurance running, then you went to bodybuilding. It sounds like you really have, you really enjoy training for a goal or a target. Is that correct? Absolutely. Okay. I want you to try a powerlifting competition. And I'm going to send you Maps Powerlift.

And I want you to find a powerlifting coach. Powerlifting coaches are a million times better than bodybuilding coaches because powerlifting coaches, they got a show objective numbers going up. They're not all great, but they're usually okay or good, whereas bodybuilding coaches tend to be crap and tend to hurt people. So you can find yourself a powerlifting coach. I'm going to send you Mass Power Lift. That's your, that'll be your program if you don't get a coach.

Find a competition, find a weight class that you feel like you want to compete in. That'll help you maintain a relatively lean body because I know there's a whole like, you know, belief or view on powerlifter so they get fat. Really that's powerlifters in the unlimited weight category, but every other powerlifter has to train within a power, they have to control their body weight. So if you're competing in the, you know, 180 to 185 calves, like you can't go above 185, otherwise you're in a new weight category.

I think powerlifting and a powerlifting competition is the best way to get your mentality switch over to something a little bit better. And you're gonna get, you have to get stronger with powerlifting, that's the goal. And why is that good? Because it's hard to underfeed your body and over train and get stronger. that's the goal. And why is that good? Because it's hard to underfeed your body and over train and get stronger.

It's almost impossible. So I think that's gonna put you in a better direction in terms of getting you out of this mental state that the bodybuilding puts you in. I love that advice. Even if you don't wanna actually do a competition, I think that advice is still good like to at least go through the program

and pretend like you're going to do a competition. I think that's a good place to focus and train. And I think you're going to see lots of benefits. As you're seeing already right now, being fed again, like your strength probably feels amazing, your lifts and workouts probably feel great time to really focus on getting strong in the gym. So I love that advice. That's great advice.

Even if you're not excited about going and doing a competition, you don't necessarily have to do that. Just follow the program as if you were. That's right. Awesome. So would you guys, would you guys recommend like, uping the calories into that as well or just kind of stay? I mean, what would you recommend for that? It depends. I think you're okay. Actually, I think your jump was okay. Not that I would have done it that way, but based on what you're saying, as long as you don't keep seeing Dramat like if you could put on another 10 pounds this week, then I'd be like okay

We have to be fast, but are you is it good food or is a bad food? So obvious like right after I had you know all these cravings whatever I did have like a couple cheat meals So then I went right back into you know middle prep. Oh, way in type stuff, which, you know, which has been good. But I have, like, I introduced, I graduated the end of that prep for the last three weeks. I was, like, zero carbs. So nothing completely depleted. And then I went to having, you know, introducing carbs and, you know, all six of my meals, which then obviously made me fill out, made me look fluffy, you know, makes me a little bit of my meals, which then obviously made me fill out, made me look fluffy, makes me a little bit self conscious, which I know is a little bit of body, just

more fiend stuff like that. Nate, out of the 11 pounds that you gained, now that I know you went zero carbs, eight or nine of it is just like it's all good. It's all good. That's why I said when you first told me the amount you went on. Yeah, zero to that. I could make, I could go 15 pounds swing with zero to carbs, like it easy,

and it not be anybody fat. So I would keep your calories where they're at. Keep the, whether at, due maps, power lift, and then continue to reverse diet from there. So maybe for the next few weeks, couple weeks, keep it at 2400 calories, and then read the guide, it'll encourage you to add a hundred to 200 calories a week and then do that and see where it takes you

I bet you'll probably it around to close the 3000 calories without any substantial fat gain But some really good strength gains. That's when we know we're doing really good as if you can get through that that Maps strong progress or maps powerift program and you've increased calories and we really have input on much body fat at all. Totally. Awesome. Sounds great. You got it, man.

Thanks for calling in. Hey, by the way. Yeah, thank you, guys. Thanks for the work that you do. You're going to be one of the last few employed people when the AI takes over. Yeah, I love you guys' conversation about that, so it keeps me motivated.

Yeah, I know, Nate. conversation about that so it keeps me motivated Okay, thanks guys, yeah Isn't that funny I So although when we were in Utah right since he isn't Utah remember when we saw those first time I ever seen one of those dirt compactors. It was all robot. Oh really? Yeah, we remember with that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we last time went to our parts of the place. Yeah, that's right. And they were talking about somebody still has to operate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, you see that you're gonna be a button pusher, you know, and then you'll be able to actually, like, working on things. No, I think, I think if you used to go oriented, like, go power lift and get out of bodybuilding, man. There's very few people, and this is gonna piss people off. Yeah. There's very few people that should go do a bodybuilding.

Again, going from like, and I get it, you know, it's like, you lose weight, you a bodybuilding. Again, going from like, and I get it, you know, it's like you lose weight, you get excited that your body's changing and now, nah, I'm a competition kind of guy, you go in, but that's like the last competition I would have sent in too. You know, this is why I know that I get a lot of flack and so do anybody who can,

he says competing is a sport, but this is why I like to compare it to a sport because I would never recommend a sport for somebody to get healthy and in shape. It's just not a great approach to doing that. And there's a lot of competitiveness and within competing. And so there's a lot of things

are similar about sport. Yes, I know you give prance around in a fucking board shorts and it's not hard and tough and you're not slamming to me. Yeah, it's a different type of a competition. And so it gets a lot of shit and grief from people that are like real athletes because you don't have to be athletic

to do a bodybuilding competition. But as far as the extreme aspects of it, the consistency, the discipline, the unhealthy side of it, it's very much like a sport. And when you're trying to be fit and healthy, it is actually not, people think it's a good route because you lose body fat,

most of you will think, oh, this is a good way to get healthy, it's not. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna say this right now. If you want to sign up for something that involves strength training or lifting weights because you want a goal, you are far better off signing up for a powerlifting competition

than you are a stage presentation competition, like bodybuilding physique, or bikini. And for people who are like, yeah, but what about body fat gain? Besides the unlimited weight classes, you're gonna have to maintain your body weight, or you could drop weight and get into a better body weight class because getting a lighter one often makes you more competitive.

Powerlifting will serve people so much better. Think about them starting with powerlifting will serve people even so much better. So much better. Think about them starting with powerlifting to then go transition to becini or to bodybuilding. It's just like, it's just a better route in general. Everything we talk about in terms of like building muscle to start with is the focus. Our next caller is Connor from Ohio.

Connor, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, first off, I'm give the public toilet. Thank you. I appreciate you guys into my email and I found you guys a little over a year ago and you guys changed my complete perspective on fitness You guys changed anything from my workout plan where I eat Everything I think you guys for that. Awesome. Thank you. So my question revolves around fan training. I

started working out about two, three years ago and I didn't mostly body weight and then I tried searching to weights but didn't have the room or the money to really afford a home gym. So I looked into the loops I was in spans and fell in love with. And I found you guys based off of the videos you guys have. And my question revolves around web pages with the bands. I know you guys talk about going to failure when trained bands, whether it's every day, three days a week, etc. And I was one, I know you guys talk about, excuse me, I know you guys talk about more reps to failure, how the study's on that, but I also know you guys talk about going to low of that for ages as well. But I also know you guys are talking about going

to low-eventures as well. And I'm just confused on where to go with bands. OK. The reason why higher reps, we tend to advocate for, and now higher reps like 12 plus, not necessarily 20. To failure is just the safety component, the forum component. There tends to be not as much volume in the lower rep,

because you're doing lower volume anyway, typically when you go to failure. That being said, eight reps, 10 reps, even six reps, the failure, totally fine. Just make sure your form and technique are good. Do you have maps, bands, by the way, or what are you following for your band program? Actually, I went back to you guys' earlier episodes, episode 13-8. You guys give a band, that's a band only episode.

You guys give a full body workout with 10 exercises. You guys say you three times a week, every set to failure, and three sets for exercise. That's a good workout, but it's not as good as maps bands. every set to fill you. And do he sets for exercise? Yeah, that's in time for that. That's a good workout, but it's not as good as MAP spans. MAP spans, we fully programmed out. We face it. Send that over to you bro. Yeah, let's send that to you.

And that's gonna kick ass for you. And then the other thing, I know you have limited space. I think it would be wise to invest in a couple adjustable dumbbells or a kettlebell or two. And then I think it would also be wise for you to incorporate some body weight movement. Or map suspension. Yeah.

Or suspension. Map suspension. You can get a suspension trainer for 50 to 100 bucks. We have them on our site. And we'll send you the program. So with map spans, we'll also send you a map suspension. So you got that program for free. And literally all you need is a suspension trainer.

And I actually think you can progress a lot from those two programs. Those two programs. So suspension from the beginning. Those two programs right there, you can put on some serious most. You can do more. And that's the thing is the tool itself is more conducive towards like certain types of training. So you know, the bands, if you start to get into low reps and you want to have that kind of like heavy resistance, a lot of times it's really efficient workout, that's why we tend to structure it a little more towards, you know, the 10 to 15 kind of

range there. So, you get a more effective workout that way. But yeah, the suspension trainer, you can. There's ways to get, provide angles and gravitational forces against you where you can actually go down in reps and struggle through that a little bit more. Yeah, I'm so glad you guys I totally forgot. Yeah, suspension will be perfect. And not that not and the only reason why I interrupt it is because I don't Disagree by the way was like obviously at one point you would love to get some dumbbells. You would love to get a barbell Yeah, I would love to get a gym membership where you can go to that But if I'm thinking what's the least expensive least least amount of space, like best thing I can do to progress you, bands and suspension trainer.

I can get a lot done with bands and suspension trainer and spend little to no money and little to no space. So those two would be a great place for you to hang out until you get to a place where you can get a gym membership or get a good free weight setup. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I literally woke up like

flying in front of my front door and that's the only space I need. Oh yeah. I got you everything there. This will be free. It works. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, this is awesome.

This is perfect for you, bro. We're gonna send that over to you. Okay, and I do have one more small question. It's not that they did a band training at all. Okay. And I'll give you a little bit of context. one more small question. It's not a related band training at all. And I'll give you a little bit of context. For six months now, I've been dealing with a little bit of low back pain. And it happened when I was doing dead lifts with bands.

I was doing conventional dead lifts and I was doing high reps. I got my full set done fine and it was 20 reps and then I did six and I had stopped and Usually the pain starts in my can the morning Like when I get out of bed, but as I walk and move throughout the day It goes away and I've been told it's like my pure formus, but I'm not exactly I think this has a lot to do with what Justin said when you do low-wrap

I think this has a lot to do with what Justin said. When you do low reps with like a move, I can I'm not a fan of, even though you can do deadlifts with bands, and it's possible, right? We've programmed that. It's definitely not my favorite way to progress somebody on deadlifting. Because of that exact reason right there.

It's our deadlifting is already a very technical exercise. And then when you got like a heavy resistance band that's pulling on you while you go through the reps, it's just really tough to keep very strict for the resistance. Because the resistance is variable, is it doing the same thing? Yeah, and so I think the point that Justin was making earlier about why low reps with bands are just not ideal is the way it's pulling on you. And deadlifts is probably the most

difficult exercise to progressively overload with just bands. So I think you need to drop that, and I think you need to just follow what we got going on in suspension for stuff like that. I don't think it's your periformis by the way, because you don't feel it in your butt cheek, right? You don't feel it down your leg. You said it's in your back.

Like it's the middle of like my lower back, all the way at the bottom of my spine, where my glute connects, and every now and then I like to feel it a little bit on one side of my glute, but other than that, that's it. Oh, well then it might be the periformis if that's the case. So there's a seated chair stretch. I think I did.

I have it on my pump TV. Is it my pump TV? Yeah, you've done so, There's some good stuff on here. I've seen that. I've seen that. Do some of those stretches and see if that doesn't alleviate a little bit. Yeah.

Okay. All right, man. Well, thank you guys. All right, Connor. You got it, bro. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, thank you. Goodbye.

I mean, for overall fitness, ultroning between suspension and band training. Yeah, good. Yeah, that's good. It's to be efficient and like you said economical And like he only has that devoted space. I think that's probably the perfect. Yeah, I wouldn't need to add anything I mean, I of course you want as many tools as possible But if that remains to a limitation we love barbells, but it's not always that accessible No, I mean, I think that's the the ultimate goal at one point. Hopefully he I mean he seems like easy young rice 20-something years

All of you. I don't know if he's still in school or what but it you know, hopefully at one point. Hopefully he, I mean, he seems like easy young, right? He's 20-something years old. I don't know if he's still in school or what, but hopefully at one point, you can get himself a gym membership and then follow something like Anna Balk, if he really wants to pack on muscle. But I mean, with bands and suspension at his age, where he's at, he's fine. Yeah, I can do a lot of great work there.

Awesome. Our next color is Leonard from Scotland. Leonard, it's happening. Hey, guys, what up? Man, this is quite surreal. It's like being in the matrix. It is. Which pill you're going to take. Oh, yeah, both of that one.

It's wrecked. Wow. Well, how can we help you, man? Yeah. Um, so I got some basic questions and to start off the first question, it just gives you maybe a little bit of background as to why I'm asking it. Let's in terms of my fitness background. So about 2007, so about 150 and I started training with just using my body the whole way for pretty long time. Up to the year of 2020, one of us pretty much doing body weight training at home every morning, like for an hour. It wasn't related to 2021 in January, where it got into a proper structured strength training

program by Mind Valley, which taught me that it's principal of having a structure even just thing of a rest day, to sort of structure my program much better. And later on, I discovered you guys, thanks to Max Luga via BigShadow to him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I've done some of your programs as well, like Ana, Barlec and Svetix. And I was really impressed by sort of strength gains, a game from them by having adapted them into my practice using bands, mainly.

Because the thing is, I only have bands, because of my circumstances of having always needing to be mobile and not having really access to a gym regularly. So we have actually really worked with weights as much as that. So my question really along to that line is, what are the benefits and trade-offs between bands and weights really? Because I've thought that I probably gained some new more benefits with weights.

You guys once talked about pants and a different podcast that is, so which was really insightful, but I'm not quite sure where the benefits and the trade us up between the two if I go on audio. Good question. Yeah, okay, so off, I mean, just

rathigates, bands, the resistance becomes stronger the further you stretch it out. So the resistance you get from a band is very different from a fluid. It just feels different. And different resistance types, if they're introduced as novel stimulus, they can cause changes in the muscle to happen relatively rapidly. Meaning, if you always train with a particular type

of resistance, then you switch to a different style, you'll start to see some results. So this is true if you start with weights and go to bands and vice versa. Bands are very versatile. I can attach them at different points. I can do all kinds of different exercises. They don't take up much space.

The disadvantage of bands is some of the most effective, just gross motor movements are not really done really well with bands. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa. A spa Free weights mimic real world more than bands when you lift something in the real world. It's a free weight So that's it heavy weight low reps tends to be better with free weights If you get really strong bands can be actually Challenging to work with like if you get somebody who could let's say You know row 300 pounds in trying to find a band that can with that kind of resistance, it actually gets a bit unwieldy and actually dangerous, believe it or not, with bands. So,

the pluses and minuses, though, with both of them really work well together. I mean, we never, you know, some circumstances bands are better, and others free weights are better, and in ideal situation, you do both, and you go through cycles of both. So I hope that, I hope that kind of answers your question. Yeah. A simpler way to put this is you can be, you can get incredible shape and be healthy and very fit just by doing bodyweight and band stuff. But if you are trying to progress, build more muscle, get leaner, progress where you're currently at right now, one of the fastest ways you could do that is by doing a novel stimulus. A novel stimulus in this situation with you will be free weights. Because you do mostly bands and body weight,

you just simply training with free weights is going to be novel and your body is going to respond much quicker than any sort of bandic size that you've been doing that so frequently for the last year to two years. So, but if you're happy where you're at physique wise and health wise, there's nothing wrong with doing bands in body weight for the rest of your life. There's many people that that's that's all they do and they're in great great shape. But, but it's it'll be much faster and easier for you to progress by switching to a novel stimulus. And bands, so each are different tools, right? So, and you have to kind of highlight what they do best. And one of them, you know, with the bands,

they're better for recovery. So therefore, you know, building up more volume and frequency and kind of leaning in heavier into that side of, you know, the attributes is kind of where we heavier into that side of the attributes is kind of where we structure with maps bands because it's gonna be able to provide that type of stimulus to your muscles which also produces building muscles

but that's a different attribute than say, like I'm lifting heavy weights and just focusing on those compound lists which actually, my force output is so high that I'm actually going to require more rest and recovery to then allow my central nervous system to perform at that high level again. So you have to alternate that and be more conscious of how you structure that versus with bands, it's like, we can go and perform a lot of these exercises pretty frequently

and get a totally different stimulus. Yeah, I mean, look, they're all tools, and the more tools you have, the better you'll be able to work, the better, the easier. That's all. Yeah, but can you do it with less tools you can? You totally can. Hmm, I'd, wow, that's a pretty insightful responses to that. That's a pretty insightful response to that. That actually gets me to, since just mentioned, maps, fans as well. The thing is with maps, fans, because I compared it a little bit to anabolic and as FedEx, whose philosophy here, quite well understood with the compact movements and then going to more isolated movements, which sort of gets much easier and much more comfortable than towards the end. But by maps, bands, I don't see this sort of structure in a way akin to that what I've seen in a public

and aesthetics, because the exercises, just cause of my background probably I'd like to understand on the sort of way that you structured it. And the second face looks a little bit more like a hypertrophy or a doing space really rather than a strength face. Are you? Yeah, very different. They're different. That's what it's for a reason.

It's program different because it's different. Do you work? Do you work in the fitness and health space? What do you mean by your balance? Not at that moment. The fear is an endeavor that I have actually to move into into the personal training space actually. I want to look into certification as well. So at a moment, I sort of feeling, first of all, my own confidence. I even coaching my parents, like my mom, this very eager with strength training at the moment. It's just very, she's doing really nice progress from coaching.

So are you an engineer right now? Because you mentioned your background that you're, you know, considering background, are you an engineer? Do you work with like a lot of numbers and plans? Well, I'm a physicist originally by background. Makes sense. Okay. Definitely.

So, um, workout programming does have a structure and a sequence that you'll start to understand over time. It's far more complex than it seems on the surface. What you're identifying in anabolic and in aesthetic are the very obvious signs of some of the programming. But there's a lot more that goes into exercise programming. And this is why strength coaches, you know, really good ones can be so valuable

versus people that just understand how to work out. So we have to consider the type of resistance, the exercise selection, the order, how the days follow each other. We're pairing of the exercises together. Tempo and sets and reps, what the days follow each other. Having of the exercises together. Tempo and sets and reps. What the whole picture looks like. And you learn this through lots and lots and lots of experience.

A simple analogy to this is building your body is like building a house. And the tools that you use to build a house, you don't use a hammer, the same way that you use a screwdriver, the same way you use a saw. All of them are valuable towards building the house, but you're not gonna use the hammer the same way you use the saw. But it's even, it's okay, let me add to that. It's like building a house,

but then sometimes you're building a house on granite, other times you're building it on a slant, you're building it in the rain. You have more workers, less workers, different types of wood, different, you know, so many variables that go into programming. I mean, we didn't even write a program for an individual. That's where it gets really crazy. We're writing a program for a general audience,

which is actually exponentially easier than it is when you're writing it for an individual, and it gets even more challenging when you're working with more advanced individuals. If I have to create a program for a high level competitor, I got to read, the programming is very, very detailed versus the beginner works very simple. So if you're trying to figure this out,

following the programs is step one, step two, getting certifications, step three, training other people, and then through experience, it'll start to reveal itself over time. So, and you sound very analytical, you'll figure it out, but it's going to take some time, for sure. Yeah, I don't expect that going to be like a flash of light moment really in any sense. It is a long endeavor and after all to learn with success and mistakes along the process to make the best of it. Yeah, and I'm going to make it sound even harder than you got to, you got to account for a human behavior.

And this is where shit gets real weird. Oh yeah. Exactly. So good luck, my friends. Yeah, I know that feeling. Actually, I have a certification as a function of medicine health coach. So I have a little bit experience in terms of coaching and understanding the behavior of people.

And even convincing myself or even all of this is interesting. Let me put it this way. Awesome. Okay, Leonard, are you in our private forum, the mind pump private forum? No, I'm not. I'm gonna have Doug give you access. I'd love to hear your process,

especially if you're gonna get into being a coach. And so like that, there's a ton of other trainers and coaches inside the forum, including us. So we can hear your progress and how you're doing. Wow, wow, that's actually awesome. Whoa. Yeah, and that's really great because I can't just bomb out my next few questions in there on there rather than keep you guys tied up. I mean it's like almost lunchtime by you guys. So that's right. I'm really hungry. Awesome. Well thanks for calling in man. We appreciate the support.

Yeah, I really appreciate the support from you guys as well. Listen pretty much almost every day. Just listen until the one that you put out right now, starting off with the topping on beef as the best protein sauce. Which I just had today. This lunch is a really big portion. So it makes me even more satisfied. Awesome. All right. Thanks, man right on Leonard. All right. Thanks guys. That's awesome. Yeah So I mean just just you know, you just had to take my simple analogy and make it fucking

You know why? Go ahead. Well, here's why because he's assigned your your ride, but I mean either I think my point was enough for him to get like Oh, okay, I get it. It's different tools Well, here's what I throw it. Oh, it could be on a slant. You're right, but I mean, either, I think my point was enough for him to get like, oh, okay, I get it, it's different tools. Well, here's what I threw it at. Oh, it could be on a slant, you have three guys. Well, you know why I said that? Because he's a scientist and he's trying to figure it out.

Here's what scientists do. This is what they do. You know, he's the noise of shit of us, with the science people in the fitness space. Is they look at the studies? Yes. Okay, you can have all the studies you want, but we're not training robots,

we're training humans, you throw in human psychology and now one's in zero's, it's not gonna work like that. No, it's not like Newtonian physics where you have a formula and then this is how it works. You're also working with a human who is fucking complex and weird and changes all time. Us stuff. So programming is not necessarily an exact,

there are components that are, yeah, we have like burst laws of specificity. There's the law through dynamics. There are some laws within programming and building a physique and so on that, but then there's so many other factors that play in row and it's not as simple as two plus. One of my favorite examples is this,

is they'll say, how many times, you know, the frequency a muscle is trained doesn't matter if their volume is equated for. The problem is in application, when people train more frequently and split up the sets, they tend to do more volume because they're fresher and stronger, so it's never equated for.

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