Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2128: The Best Sled Drive Alternative, the Ideal Amount of Sleep to Build Muscle, Choosing a Weight for AMPRAPs & More

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Creatine is one of the BEST supplements anyone can take for any goal. (1:54) Caldera for sunburns works! (11:16) The media machine comes after In N Out. (16:38) The lasting negative impacts of masks. (17:52) Disney’s strange moves are coming back to bite them. (24:24) Mind Pump Recommends Tucker Carlson interviewing Andrew Tate. (34:54) An update on the Arlo saga. (47:21) Ketamine may help patients with treatment-resistant depression. (49:28) Shout out to The Rabbit Who Wants to Fall Asleep: A New Way of Getting Children to Sleep, an audiobook by Carl-Johan Forssén Ehrlin. (59:33) #Quah question #1 - What are some sled drive alternatives? Could I do a tire pull on a beach using a harness? (1:01:24) #Quah question #2 - What is the ideal amount of sleep for building muscle? Everything says 7-9 hours but how big of a difference would 9 hours of sleep vs 7 make? (1:03:50) #Quah question #3 - How do you pick the weight for AMRAPs when starting out? (1:10:11) #Quah question #4 - What’s the best way to use the sauna? (1:13:58) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Legion Athletics for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** July Promotion: MAPS Starter | MAPS Starter Bundle 50% off! **Code JULY50 at checkout** Dietary creatine intake and depression risk among U.S. adults - Nature In-N-Out bans mask wearing for employees in some states New York Times Admits 30% of “COVID Deaths” Weren’t From COVID These are America's 10 worst states to live and work in - CNBC Disney cuts back on Marvel, Star Wars content - CNBC Tucker Carlson Releases Full Unedited Interview With Andrew Tate Mind Pump #2092: How To Cultivate Amazing Relationships With Adam Lane Smith Efficacy and safety of a 4-week course of repeated subcutaneous ketamine injections for treatment-resistant depression (KADS study): randomised double-blind active-controlled trial The Rabbit Who Wants to Fall Asleep: A New Way of Getting Children to Sleep, Book by Carl-Johan Forssén Ehrlin Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout** How To Do The Sled Push The RIGHT Way! (AVOID MISTAKES!) – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump #1770: How Sleep Helps Your Muscles Recover And Grow This Is The Optimal Time to Be In an Ice Bath & Sauna - Andrew Huberman Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) Twitter Andrew Tate (@Cobratate) Twitter Adam | Relationship Psychology (@attachmentadam) Instagram Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (@hubermanlab) Instagram  

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give you better energy for your heart, help your liver function better. No joke, I'm not making this up, this is all backed by data, it's Crate team. Crate team is one of the best supplements. Anybody could take for any goal. It's amazing. Now, yes, there are individuals out there

who might not feel great when taking Crate team. You get gastro distress. You'll know if you take it. Other than that, unless you're told, you shouldn't take creatine by a doctor, a specialist, you should probably take it. It's good for you. You know, it's funny about this. This is how widely spread. This has become so now there is so many different types of creatine for marketing purposes. And the best stuff is the best stuff. Best stuff is the good old plain old monohydrate cheap stuff. That's it. Nothing else added to it.

Yeah, no flavor. Just simple. The raw form. Yeah, you know, it's funny that that maybe we were one of the first, by the way, I'm going to say this quite confidently. We've been on air now for almost nine years, Doug. Yeah, almost nine years. Holy cow, okay, that's been a long time.

We were one of the only, if not the only people in our space who were talking about the health and longevity benefits of creating. Nine years ago, everybody knew about the strength building and all that stuff. Nobody was talking about health and longevity. Now, lots of data is showing its benefits. In fact, I just read a study on its anti-depressive effects that you give it to people who are mildly depressed and creatine seems to lift them out of depression. This is a mental, like, this

is like, like, how you perceive the world, supplementing with something like creating. It's incredible. It's good for the liver, it's good for the heart, the muscles, of course. It shows a cognitive boost. You actually see improvements in people's IQ scores when they take free team. It's so funny when we first started, we were just talking about, especially because that segment of supplements was always so heavily performance-based, and then we're trying to like convince, you know, some of these bros in the gym, like, well, maybe there's some adapted gins and maybe there's like some things over here on the wellness side that might help and contribute. You know, meanwhile, all along, like like creatine keeps proving itself to have worth and so many other

directions wellness-wise, it's just mind-blown. Yeah. For someone who's like, well, how can I do all those things? So just real, kind of low-level general breakdown. What creatine does is it increases the amount of ATP, a dinocyan trifosophate, I'm saying that right, ATP that is available to your cells. ATP is energy for your entire body. All of your cells, most of them, operate with ATP. It's like the energy of the body. Now, the reason why you get stronger when you have more ATP is because ATP is a source of

energy for power and for strength. But ATP is needed for brain function, organ function. As you age your mitochondria has trouble producing as much energy. So having more ATP is a good thing. Crateen also is good for people who have issues with methylation processes because when you supplement with Crating, your body now has, is able to dedicate more of its resources towards methylating. So people who have issues with like absorbing B vitamins and stuff, find improvements with Crating, it's going to be one of those supplements that's going

to eventually be recommended across the board. Like, and I'm not, I'm not making this recommendation now because there's not much data on this, but I bet you it's going to be for kids, it's going to be for pregnant women, it's going to be for elderly already are starting to get recommended for creatine. So it's, it's pretty wild and it has a lot of studies. It's one of the most studied supplements that's out there. So it's not like we're just like basing it off of a couple studies. There's like thousands. We get asked constantly about where to get creatine. I think you'd get it just about anywhere. Probably what I would spend a little more money on. I think besides going through

a reputable band because that's just like I would recommend with protein powder, right? Protein powder, you can find all over the place. You know, going with a brand that you trust instead of trying to save $5. I think there's some value there. And then the second thing with creatine is micronized, or micronized is everything in that right? Just makes it so it makes sense. Yeah, I would pay a little extra for that

because that makes the difference. You know my drinking sand? Yeah, it always ends up like that, right? Yeah, we're just first reading because it's like stuck at the bottom or stuck with the stuff. And it's just like I feel like I'm never getting all of it. It's a rough. Yeah, otherwise it, if you get to mechanize it like dissolves really well. Legion has a pretty good, so they combine it with Elkhornitine, El Targaryen. Yeah, he has

some recovery stuff with it. It's in his recharge, right? Yeah, and that culmination is good for muscle recovering and enhanced absorption. So it's like another level up. I mean, all the stuff I said about creating, you can get from just pure creating. But Legion's got a nice combination if you want to kind of go with like the performance type of route. So then was like bang, did they did the micrionized kind of infused like what kind of I always was very questionable about like what you know kind of quality was in those drinks with the creatine wise like what you have to do is see the CEO to no no. Andrew, well, you have to do a C the CEO to know.

No, no. Andrew, can you please put a picture of C.O. I'm like, right here. It's enough said. He looks like he looks like you should totally trust him. Yeah, it looks like you should totally trust him. When you look at a can of bang, if you could turn it into a person.

Yeah, he's got a trench coat. You know, and he's never seen him before. I believe he's actually been removed as CEO. Has he? Yeah, the guy you're thinking about sold, right? Yeah, I'm not sure. Somebody just acquired him, I thought. Who monster butter? Yeah, because he's in a lawsuit. Oh, for a long time. So in March of 2023, the founder and CEO Jack O'Wock was removed from the company. Oh, is that Sam, huh? Yeah. Too bad.

That's great. He's seen like the casinos. Yeah, true. No, but it's, it's, it's, I mean, we keep reading studies on this compound and it's like, I mean, it's remarkable all of the benefits. There's almost, there's like nothing negative. The only people that I think would be advised, not to supplement with it are. The kidney issues.

Well, yeah, if you're like on dialysis, I mean, you'll know, because your nephrologist or your doctor will tell you not to do that. They'll say, don't do this, don't do that. But everybody else, it's something you should take. In fact, there's some studies that suggested taking as much as 10 grams a day

is better for cognitive performance than the typical five that we always recommend. So, and again, it's inexpensive. And I've been supplementing with it almost non-stop since I was 16, which all this good news that I'm reading, I didn't supplement that log for that long because I thought it would be good for me. Truth be told, I'm just happy that it turns out it was good for me. Truth be told, I'm just happy that it turns out it was good for me.

I was right on track. It was so damn long, but yeah, it's something that you pretty much everybody will gain some kind of health benefit from taking. And then if you work out, it's one of the few things you'll know when you take it. Well, I mean, are there any other, I mean, because you're not going to, I mean, on some level, like something with protein, in a form we'll have a lot of carryover in the wellness direction,

but like there's really not another like performance, type supplement that I speculate would be tested for a lot of these other things that it could help with. No, so here's what's, so this is the timeline, right? Like a fedra is not gonna really help your health. This, here's the timeline. I remember when Crateen first set the timeline, right? Like a fedra is not gonna really. Yeah, help your health. This, here's the timeline. I remember when Crateene first set the market. One of the most popular brands was EAS at the time.

Bill Phillips put it out. And it just immediately exploded because it was like a supplement that worked. Like nothing else worked, right? You took a supplement, I don't know, I was working. You take Crateene and you're five to 10 pounds stronger on all your lifts within a couple of weeks. That's like standard.

That's typically what people will feel right away. You got better pumps, better performance. So it exploded and then because it actually caused like actual strength gains, immediate negative like publicity, right? Immediately it was like, yeah. It's creatine safe, should it be be banned is it a steroid people for you acids are dropping dead there was like all kinds of crazy misinformation in

the very beginning of it like it was like some crazy steroid it's gonna be really bad for your kidneys is go it's gonna damage your liver I remember all this you know kind of come now and then more and more they kept studying it and it went from performance to cognitive health to longevity. So now they're doing all these studies on longevity and creatine and I mean it's pretty remarkable. Well I usually take what you say with the grain of salt, so we're going with this. Just because, you know, like, when a commercial coming up,

we're adamant about like, you know, he delivers it with such conviction. But no, I use the Caldera, and I use it for my, my sunburn. It works. And it actually, like, it started to really help the healing process. And I, because I was already starting to kind of flake

and get dry and like, and I was like, oh my god, dude, I'm just going to be like,ake and get dry and I was like, oh my God, dude, I'm just gonna be like, you know when a snake like shit is exoskeleton? Yeah, I was pretty sure, my whole body was gonna do that. So I started like lathering it all over myself and I'm sure like lotion would have helped too, but I was like, since he brought it up,

you know, I'm just gonna give it a whirl. Dude, I don't know, dude. So I'm gonna make it confession. I know Adam's been doing this for psoriasis, but I'm gonna gonna give it a whirl. Dude, I don't know, dude. So I'm gonna make it confession. I know Adam's been doing this for psoriasis, but I'm gonna make it confession. You're not, the oil is called the good, the good serum, right? Yeah. So it's a small bottle and it's like this big

and you put like a couple drops on your hands and you use it on your face. It's really good for your face, okay? And it's a very concentrated, high quality product. It lasts a long time if you just use it on your face. Yeah, yeah. But the cost, I mean, you know, things that are typically really good, typically cost more because of the process.

And so it's, but it lasts a while if you just use it on your face. Now, I'm going to fold this closure. I've been using it everywhere. It is better than any lotion. Everywhere. Almost everywhere, just calm down. But it's getting clarity here. What are you doing in there?

No, I, like, instead of lotion on my arms or my knees or whatever, I'll do a little of that better than any lotion I've ever used. And I'm, I'm, yeah. I love to see them go in that direction for sure. I mean, you go through a helpful, you go through a bottle pretty quickly. I feel like they are, I mean, they did they did this soap. I mean, I wonder if they have what their plans are to continue. I mean, the company is still growing. So that wouldn't be surprised if they come out with some sort of a lotion or so.

Oh, yeah. So good for the skin. A body oil or body rub or something like that. Where were you most sunburned on your shoulders? Yeah, I was in my shoulders and then like my upper back. And so yeah, I was putting that on there and having Courtney kind of rubbed out here. Well you're like you're such a superhero. I know you feel like this is a compliment but actually I'm gonna go negative.

Oh yes. So be more. You know you're gonna tell you the shit show and tell me you're gonna have. You know you read like comic books and don't compare me to Aquaman. Stop. Yeah. He's the worst superhero. Yeah.

You know you read a superhero like strong whatever that's just and like super amazing. Yeah. They have the worst superhero. Yeah, you know, you know, you read a superhero that like strong, whatever, that's Justin, like super amazing. Yeah, they have a weakness though. There's always something, right? They always do. If you put Justin in the sun, 95% of his strength in there, he gets gone. Of course.

It's as if how intense it is. Yeah, where are we just at? Tricky's, oh, we were walking. We were going for a walk. We were going for a little tentative walk. It just is a zippie. I can't do this much longer. Hey, I thought it's so hot.

I throw. And I'm not well, yeah, it was hot. I don't know. Like there's just like a certain tolerance I have. And like sometimes if I'm already hot and then I go out and like be physically active in the hot in the heat, like it just, you're exaggerating. We went for a stroll. Yeah, it's like, hey, let's go for it. Yeah, really? We were going for a walk.

Hey, the look on his face was like, and he's under his breath. I'm dying. Because he doesn't complain, just a never complain. He'll die, and then what happened to Justin? He had a heart attack, never told us. He's walking, and I'm looking at him, and he's like, what's going on?

He's like, yeah, I gotta walk in the shade, I don't like. It's so hot, and he takes a shirt off, and he was like, struggling. I wasn't embarrassing. It wasn't good. Oh man, it was not a good look. It's so hot and it takes a shirt off and he was like struggling It was embarrassing. It was a good man. It was not a good look. I'm like, oh, what's happening? That's why you're like a superhero. That's why I know if I really tingle with Justin turn up the heat real quick Yeah, by the way you mentioned we mentioned monster. I think because the CEO guy went to a monster Do you ever look at the conspiracy theory around the monster? Oh, the 666? Yeah.

Here's the, no. You ever saw that? No. That the, that the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, yeah, yeah, it's I mean did they connect anything else to like the At least liquid death when all hit on that right? Yeah, they just say on his They were I think it was 100% went to jump the shark. I think it was really Like I don't want you really to forget have Satan in my world. Yeah, I don't need that inside me What does that say right there Doug Doug, about the monster energy drink?

Yeah. This woman claims that monster energy drinks uses satanic imagery to promote anti-Christ agenda. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't really see the 666 and the claw marks. That's too long to go to the logo, yeah. Yeah.

A speaking of anti-Christ stuff, did you see the, I mean, the mass media, gotta love the media machine coming after in and out for making it a rule for them to not wear mask in there as a poise. So they, so by the way, Hebrew numerals, that's what it is. They're all, they're three Hebrew numerals, that means 666. Now it's crazy.

Snuck that in. And then it's monster. Come on, bro. Of course. Of course. You know how you get all, you deliver it. You guys, you know how when you drink when you get all weird at them. Yeah. That's what happens. You're getting possessed. Anyway. So what were you saying about the meat? So yeah, there I mean, rockstar. In and out, and out, I guess, as admitted, I could cross five different in and out locations have now made it mandatory that you cannot wear a mask. Oh, employees can't. Yeah, yeah. And on the media is attacking them.

Yeah, yeah. Talk about the hypocrisy around it or whatever. Before COVID, before COVID, before the world went crazy. And if you're listening to this right now, and you're like, the world didn't go crazy, you should probably go see somebody because it did go crazy. Before COVID, no company would allow you

to cover your face when you're working with the public. That was normal. Yeah. Could you work anywhere and wear a mask over your face and help people or whatever? You just can dismiss the facts hard to understand you. I remember like, ask this lady that was like, oh yeah, and I felt, I'm so,

oh, it's so frustrating. It's like, I can't like pull it down and we can have a conversation. By the way, there's a big difference between a company saying it and the government saying, very different. If I operate a business and I tell you, you gotta wear pig tails to work here.

That's my company, I should be able to do that. If the government comes in and says, all your employees need to wear pig tails, now I've got a problem with that. So that's the big difference. I just thought that was funny. And then at the same time, what we had news what last week come out,

the new CDC numbers on COVID, what do they attribute? No, one third. We tell you how we took them a fraud per cent. Okay, let's all pause for a second, because I'm gonna get so annoyed. Is there any conspiracy theory that was floated or labeled conspiracy theory during that period of time

that hasn't been true? That didn't reveal itself to be the fact. It's all coming out to be true. Dude, like, rewind, wait, all the episodes in 2020 that we did, like, I would love to go back here. I don't know if you remember, but I called and said this and I said it won't matter because by the time it all unfold. Correct.

Yes. This is everybody's not going to give a shit anymore. Right. They're moving on. I said that when we were in the thick of all this and we were talking about what's going on and I thought I don't even give a fuck because by the time it all comes around, nope, we will have moved past it, everybody will have forgotten about it,

we're on to the next day. So there's a playbook, it's all about the new cycle. It's keep it going. The way that they pushed and sold the vaccines, the way that people got shut down when they said, hey, this is experimental, which it was, they actually said that in the thing that you said. The way that when people said, hey, these masks experimental, which it was, they actually said that and the thing that you sign, the way that when people said, hey, these masks

are probably helping anybody. Yeah. They didn't. Lockdowns, probably gonna cause more problems than solve, true. I just read a study right now that shows that there was a 17% increase in learning disabilities among children because of that.

And it's been attributed specifically to that. Yeah, no shit. And then one third it's been attributed specifically to that. Get no shit. And then one third of deaths were not due to COVID. We're seeing that too. That's a huge number. We're not talking about like a little bit. Yeah. Like how many millions of deaths were there in the US

or how many, right? Now take a third off. Yeah. That's crazy. So you got to ask yourself, why? Why would they, why were the numbers? What you got to really ask yourself, is there's still people I see wearing masks.

I know. I feel bad. What is that? What is that? They were traumatized. Yeah. They were really traumatized, bro. It's not, it's, I feel bad.

They haven't recovered. You're a special kind of special. You're doing that. No, I know, hey, look, I feel for them because I can be a hypochondrac. It was a challenging time for me. They're traumatized, dude. I mean, you still see, I mean, I was at the airport and I saw mom putting her little kids in mass and all that stuff.

And it's like, I still see it. I still see it. I see parents who've got little kids that are walking around wearing masks and like I'm just so confused. Like what else do you need to come out before you realize? Like not only did it not work, but it was a bad idea. Really bad idea. Oh, I mean, children's development was hampered.

And I want this is sad. I think that's where I get most mad about kids. If you're a dumb adult, whatever. It's lots of dumb people. And lots of people that do dumb shit, and I don't care. I think I only get upset when I see the kids. So when I see the kids,

it's so impressionable. Exactly, because you're an idiot, you've now been, you've convinced your children that this is what we need to do. And then now they're stuck in this place because they look up to their parents for what they should do. Well, here's why, right, this is the sad part.

Children who were affected negatively, which is most kids, they were isolated way more than they normally would. So can't go to school. There's this air of fear that was way excessive than what was necessary, obviously. Lots of turmoil, people may be losing their jobs or what's going on.

Force to wear masks. The kids can't read faces. Lots of learning and development is happening there. Not around with the kids as much, whatever. The damage that happens to kids cannot be reversed completely. This is the sad part, it's permanent. When you have a developing brain and you do something,

this is why when you have a trauma when you're a child, you still deal with it when you're a fucking adult. Right, that's right. Because if you lose your therapy, just to get back into that trauma to face it. I don't even think, that think, I think I get so irritated because I think that people are naive, to we don't even know how this is going to impact them

say 10 years from now. No. Like you don't even know. Like we still, that's, and so if you got them and you're still letting them do it, wear the mask and so on, that's like, what the fuck, man? I know.

I know, it's, it's, it was a weird, it was a weird time. I think a lot of people, I think there's, there's a few categories of people. One, it's the people who said, I told you so, not a lot of those because it was two years of bombardment from all angles, media, culture, your job. So, so that, it's a lot of pressure. So it's not a lot of people that were like,

I'm not following along and I'm gonna stay that way. Okay, but there's that category of people. Then there's the people who were like, okay, I'm gonna kind of follow along. And then now we're like, wow, that was messed up, that was totally wrong. And then there's a category of people that the pain of admitting or acknowledging what they

did where they either... Yeah, that they disconnected with friends and family or they did something that hurt their kid. It's so painful you can't acknowledge that that was all. In fact, it feels better for me to keep moving forward and propagating this fly or whatever. You know what's all that? It's crazy. And the media, here's the good news out of it.

I think more people now than ever. Just trust them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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What's the criteria? All the free states. Oh gosh. So now they, now in the article, because here's what happens, this article is get shared in people read headlines. I mean, the study, you see what they put in there, inclusivity, humidity, and like property tax.

No, it's like random weird stuff. No, it's more like inclusivity and whatever. Yeah, whatever, yeah. What's crazy about the study is that those states were at the top, the worst states of the living, those were the states that had the largest population increases. In other words, people were moving to them. So opposite. Yeah.

You know, so who's painting this picture? Who's. So it's so opposite. Yeah. So who's painting this picture? Who's trying to paint this picture of these terrible states to be in or whatever? It's really messed up. Yeah. It's a really weird, more interesting stuff that's happening around the world. Bob Eiger, Disney's CEO announced that they're selling off a bunch of their streaming services.

They're reducing, they're like, I think they're freezing all your Star Wars Marvel. So they're over saturated the market with that. I think it's necessary. And then they're selling off a bunch of their streaming services. And the rumor is that they might even sell Disney Plus to Apple. Dude, that's crazy. Was even crazier than such a legacy brand. So this is getting consolidated into one big company.

Oh, and all that. I remember saying, I wonder who said some of this shit? He said that. One, one. Yeah, one, one. I'm going to lose that argument too, because it'll be three. That's what you said. Oh my God. That's still, dude, one, one, one. I'm gonna lose that argument too, because it'll be three. That's what you said.

Oh, my God. That's still, dude, I honestly, I think that's so necessary, though. I mean, yes, those two different brands like Marvel and Star Wars, like we love them. And it's like, you get excited about certain shows, but it was the only thing that was making them any kind of money and getting them views. Like they tanked with Willow, they tanked with Indiana Jones, they tanked something else that was like supposed to be a blockbuster that they tanked. They've been doing

pretty poorly, huh? Yeah, and it's honestly, it's alarming to me that they would make the same decisions over and over again. And they're not receiving feedback from the actual like viewers and the audience. Like, to me, it's like, when are companies gonna kind of pivot and understand that like, they went away from their customer base. Like, there was, there's obviously a huge customer base that is like, we don't like this.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's, I always consider Disney like a very conservative wholesome type of brand. And it just doesn't seem to have that vibe or feeling more. They've moved more and more in the, you know, kind of woke type of direction. That's what's, I think that's the, whether true or not, that's the sentiment. Yeah, right. Exactly. I'm not stating that, that that's like my personal belief as much as that's the feel that's out there. And I feel like you're alienating the biggest part

of your following by doing that. And I mean, it's kind of like the stupid move that, you know, Bud Light, Gillette made, it's just like these, these, this move that you guys are doing when you, when you know, like, you're an outsider, I'm not even in the business. I'm not even looking at the numbers. I could, it's obvious who your customer base is, the, why would you do something like that? So, so strange to me.

It is. It's such a, I mean, I mean, Disney's a, I mean, they're an old company, a very successful brand. I mean, if I had to bet on them, I bet that they're an old company, very successful brand. I mean, if I had to bet on them, I'd bet that they're gonna do well, that they'll figure it out. Oh, they will figure it out. I mean, honestly, you brought up the stock, I'll pull it up right now to see.

See, even what happened. Yeah, I'm curious what's out. I mean, I have quite a bit of, both Max's portfolio and my portfolio is heavily in Disney, because I do believe in the brand long term. And even if I'm not a fan of what I see going on right now, Max's portfolio and my portfolio is heavily in Disney, because I do believe in the brand long term. And even if I'm not a fan of what I see going on right now, I do believe that they'll eventually turn it around. Well, I think one of the mistakes they made,

yeah, they're $87. Well, so that's down. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, definitely. Yeah, it's been going down for a while. A little husband, look at that. Oh, yeah, I'm looking at, was that 113 towards the beginning of the year? It's kind of down for a while. A little husband, look at that. Oh yeah, I'm looking at it. Was that one 13 towards the beginning of the year? It's kind of dropped, yeah.

So there was a big drop, it looks like around May. That's a six months, go to one year. Yeah, look at it. Yeah, look at it. Well, a lot of companies, though, went down during that period, but I could see kind of the trend there. Interesting. I, yeah, I don't know.

I don't know what to think with some of this. I mean, they have, I don't know. You know what I think a big mistake they did was, and I think a lot of companies are making this mistake. And I don't know if it's because they're forced into it because of how things have been, or if they thought that would be a good decision. But Disney kind of started to get into the political sphere with their opinions. And then what happens is you're a big company, like Disney, you have a lot of influence.

Now you're gonna be attacked by the other side and you could suffer whether true or not, you're putting yourself in an arena that, you know, maybe you're probably better off just kind of not saying anything. I mean, this is the Gina Kranano thing, I think, was a huge mistake. And it was literally because, um, Catherine Kennedy didn't like that, you know, on her Twitter, she would post things

in regard to her opposite stance politically. And it was just a political, um, issue for her that it was like, she thinks that, oh, we can't have this person work on the show anymore. And that was the decision. And then there was massive pushback and backlash because of that. And then it just kept going in that direction. Yeah, this is like why I double down. I think that it's actually funny.

It's totally not related to his athletic abilities. But I actually think it's one of the reasons why Michael Jordan So revered because it was one of the most brilliant things he ever did was completely avoid that conversation. Unlike somebody like LeBron who is thick in all of it, and I just think that, and sure, there's maybe some people that love LeBron more because of that, but he's equally hated because of that too, I think, and I think it does divide your fans and that forces them to look at you more than just this professional athlete in what you're great at.

Oh, you also have these political beliefs, which is, I think, a smart strategy that I think Jordan always did. And I think was kind of the norm back in the days where now there's this movement of, like everybody wants to have it. Silence is violence, and if you have a platform, you have to use it.'s this movement of, you know, silence is violence and if you have a platform, you have to use it. And it's like, you know, this, this, this push of just because you

have a large following that you should put an opinion forth on these subjects that most of these people are not educated on. It's like such a, we don't need any more uneducated opinion. Well, that's part of it. I think the other part of it is your force too because like, part of it is your force to because like Gina Carano puts out a tweet, they might have got heat saying, Hey, what are you guys going to say about when you're actors? And I kind of forced into that position. And then the second thing is everything's politicized now. Everything wasn't before. Everything is now.

I don't agree with your force. I think you make that decision. I feel, if you, I mean, let's be, if we, people could say that they're, we went through all the same stuff and everybody wanted us to make this big stance. And I mean, we collectively all touch, so they're like, listen, like, we don't know yet. We don't have enough information.

We're not educated enough on it yet. Like, we could have all our own opinions we want, but until we see, and there's still some people that like, hate it on that. You know what I'm saying? They're like, oh, I can't believe you didn't say this already. I can't really act. I have to understand like all of the details of the facts.

Yeah, but it's probably gonna be an intelligent. But you guys need to understand something too. This other part of it, which is literally everything's been politicized, okay? I could tell you three car brands and I bet you would associate it with a particular political party. Or I could tell you would die it. a particular political party or I could tell you

would die it. Yeah. Yeah. I could say, oh, I eat a lot of meat or I'm a vegan. Immediately, you're like, well, you probably vote this way. You probably have these beliefs. Yeah. It's because everything's become politicized. And so it's like you're everybody's being forced into this like you're here. You're there. Type of deal. Very strange. Never before. Do you guys remember driving a car and someone being like, oh, I know. No, I mean, all of that is just the power

and the brilliance of the media to be able to do that. I mean, that is the best strategy is to divide and conquer. And if you can turn every single thing that you do as a consumer into a political choice and try and pigeonhole people into that, but it's our responsibility to not allow that. You know, it's our responsibility to, when someone says, oh, you have a flag in front of your house,

you must be a conservative, like, because I love my country, I automatically vote Republican. Like, no, that's not what that means. You know, like, you have to be able to defend yourself in that situation and not allow idiots to put you in that box. Like, people have been trying to put each other

in a box forever. Justin, I were just talking about this in the bathroom. I don't know, anyway, but we're in the best conversation by the way. Yeah, that's great. We're gonna hold this in our business. So, under the stall, but no, we're sitting there. And I was reading these news articles,

I'm like, it feels like they don't even try. Like they used to try when they would lie to us, it was smarter. It was kind of like, you kind of had to be like, hi, I could kind of see. Now it's almost like the sun's purple. You're like, what? No, it's not.

What do you say? I was totally opposite. But I wonder if it's just either they think, they're starting to realize either that people are just gonna run with it, or what? Like why is it gonna be a number of things? What they've realized is that nobody, they're just gonna listen.

The bulk or idiots, and the free thinkers, even being sly, we're gonna think for themselves and challenges long. So why waste our time trying to be sly? Let's just be blunt. We're gonna catch the 60% dummies and the same 40% that are free thinkers and that we're gonna challenge it. It doesn't matter how creative we write it.

They were gonna challenge dig into it. Think about it. So why waste our time trying to be slow when we're gonna convince the 60% that we know we're gonna convince no matter how we write it. It's weird. That's what it is. It's like, the idiots are gonna fall for it no matter what.

So it's like, let's just be direct. Let's just get more of it out direct. It's like, the idiots are gonna fall for it no matter what. So it's like, let's just be direct. Let's just get more of it out, direct it like, let's not waste our time being created. Now, what point, yeah. Do you guys, do you think at some point, I hope this happens at some point, do you think that most people are gonna be like, wait a minute, this is all bullshit.

Like what is going on here? I think we're all, I don't know, I mean, if they haven't come to that conclusion now I Worry what was the last time you looked at You know what what are the trends right now with these you know news networks like let's say you know MSNBC or the Fox news or CNN like are they are they maintaining their viewership? Are they continuing to see a decline? What do you see?

You should like look at them. I'm pretty sure they're tanking. I would think so too. I know Fox had a new lineup and I just saw an article that they're reading. Well, Jesus, I mean, they lost Tucker, right? So that had been one of the, I mean, you're talking about one of the most viewed men.

He's a fire right now. Oh, interviewing everybody. Tell me that Andrew Tate interview was not one of the best conversations you you ever saw I was never I never watched Too much of Tucker Carlson before I would see clips here and there I Watched him interview Andrew Tate and then I watch him. I was pretty measured I watched a few so then I watched him interview the Republican like the best presidential candidates. Yeah, okay

the Republican, like, presidential candidates. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Here's what I hate about the media. Whenever they interview a political candidate, they like play like, like softball. Like, hey, and they don't really go with the hard shit. Or they play softball. I know you have to play softball, and then who they like, and then who they don't like

their throwout. Yeah, and so then the candidate doesn't go and go to this guy, because he knows you're going to ask me the hard questions. I'll go, you know, like, what's your favorite ice cream or stupid shit like that? He was hard on these, on some of these candidates. He eviscerated Mike Pence. You see that?

Oh man, bro. And he didn't let up on it. Yeah. He kept going, I'm like, finally, I want to see Mike Pence gives the most political suicide. Terrible, terrible. Yeah, terrible. Terrible.

And then, uh, let's name a vac. That guy's winning me over. Yeah. I thought the, he's doing, name it back. That guy's winning me over. Yeah. I thought the, he was fired. He was doing really well. I thought the Andrew Tate interview was the best interview. I think it's,

I think it should be one of the best interviews this year that John Joe Rogan on any, but I think it was one of the most, the most. He really paints a different picture of the guy, like, like, in terms of like any understanding, if you hear his name, like people already have opinions and that's all been sort of programmed, understanding, if you hear his name, like people already have opinions,

and that's all been sort of programmed, but then if you listen to the guy, and here's thoughts all the way through, it's pretty interesting, the contrast of what you're receiving about him versus, you know what actually happened. What's weird is how he's become like this figure that people fight over,

and there's so much contradictory information that keeps being put out over this one person. It's really weird. It must be because he has so much influence. And especially the maybe the people he's influencing, the young man, the young, the 20 year old kind of men crowd. Yeah, because you don't read anything that's in the middle about him.

It's either like really bad or like he's the most awesome thing in the world. Yeah. No, I mean, bad or like he's the most awesome thing in the world. Yeah. No, I mean, I think the reason why I like that so much too, because I remember when we first came across this stuff and we had a back and forth debate about him and stuff. And I think that most the interviews that I've seen the guy in, because he's not afraid to go have interviews with people who completely disagree with him. He's playing defense like 90% of the time.

Like most people are out to, unless it's like, it clips to make him look horrible. Yeah, and Chow and he would come off a little bit abrasive, which I knew that was one of the things that you didn't like. It's like you'd be like, I don't necessarily disagree with you saying, but I don't like the way he says it. You know, am I arguing back to that?

I was like, well, fuck the guy is in a fight every time he gets in a conversation because nobody is like asking him, like intelligently thought questions where he can articulate his point. They're cutting him off. They're challenging him. Even, you know, people that may even agree with him were interviewing that way. Where that conversation with Tucker, I felt let him articulate his point. And Tucker didn't throw softballs, like he asked very hard questions.

Well, then why did people say this about you? And they made him explain everything. I've never seen him so common in interview and never see his, I've never seen him be able to get out a full train of thought. So big picture, right? Big pictures. I was thinking about this.

We watched the interview the other night, all of us. And, you know, I have mixed feelings about and your tape from what I've seen. But big picture, there's a huge market demand for young men to have like somebody to look up to that essentially tells them like the shit that you know, that you're supposed to be told when you're a young man was like,

go to work, work out, get a job, be responsible. I'll take care of yourself another. Yeah, if you want to be healthy, if you want to be attractive, you need to be confident, you need to be show that you have some value. It's not just saying, earn your wealth. It's not just saying, Jordan Peterson very different, but he also kind of attracts,

there's a vacuum, like young man don't have that. And the message isn't like, isn't necessarily like be lazy and whatever. It's like, it's not easy stuff. If you do what he says, he's like, if you get through the bravado and all that other shit that he does, what's he telling you to do? Like get off your ass, go work hard. Yeah, be independent. Self-sufficient. And young men are like, yay! Whoa, nobody told you that before? I mean, I think that's why we see it. We talked about this other day on the podcast,

and I said the jury's still out on how I feel about some of these things that people are monetizing. And again, it's not me bashing on them because I said the jury's still out, I'm not sure how I feel, but there's a lot of these influencers or people that have large followings that are building these brands around these weekend camps or week-long boot camps where it's like, and really it's like they're hammering the shit out of these

junk boys and very, very militant too about their approach. It's just, but they want it. So you see there is, there's this obvious need it totally reminds me Of the OCR movement that we talked about years ago. Remember when we speculated on What how funny it is that if you go back a hundred year if you were from a hundred years ago You got a time machine and you saw that people sign up and pay to get beat up and run through these courses You would be baffled by that, but it's because we need it It's in our human nature to desire that challenge,

that hard, because we are all soft. We're working on these desk jobs. It reminds me the same thing. You go like, wait a second, these young boys are signing up to get yelled out and kind of be little in-camped and water spray. And they're facing us about toxic masculinity. The older hearing about is like,

if I'm too energetic or I want to move, like I have to be on medication, you know, I have to sit still, I have to like, you know, memorize scenes and conform and comply. It's like, you know, of course there's gonna be this like, ah, like rebellion to that. Yeah, and I just think they're thirsty for like a male role model. Yeah, you know, like calls to them, it says to them, like, make you can, you know,

do something with yourself. There is a better version. And that also takes hard work. And then also encourages things like stillness as a man where it's okay as a man to cry or be sad or have downtime, but you still get the fuck up and go to work. Do the work. You still get up and you do things. That's a good man. You have to keep at it You can't just like fall pieces. No, you have to that's how the world works And I just don't think we've been saying that for a long time I think we've been to a fall piece telling everybody to be it's okay. It's be emotional be sensitive cry It's okay, and I think we're leaning so hard into that that we're we're messaging to men the same way that we

Messes like the women remember when we talked to men the same way that we measure the life of the women. Remember when we talked to attachment Adam and he was talking about how, we're even going after therapy the wrong way with men. We're thinking that men don't want that. Like men need a challenge. They don't need to sit and hear their feelings all day and express themselves, like that's not what is going to help them.

What's gonna help them is to give them, show them the problem, show them how to solve it, and they go get their ass to work and make them go accomplish it. And then that right there is going to empower them and make them the problem, show them how to solve it and they go get their ass to work and make them go accomplish it. And then that right there is going to empower them and make them a better. Yeah, so someone listening right now might be confused over what you're saying. So I'll give it a little bit of an analogy. It's like it's not telling a young man have no fear. Okay, that is not how it works. You're going to be afraid.

Yep. And you need to feel that. You can't just disconnect and be told you. A robot because that'll make you a terrible father and make you a terrible person, a terrible friend. You'll end up medicating yourself with alcohol or God knows what. So it's not about having no fear. It's about being brave.

Yeah, having courage. In order to be brave, you have to feel the fear. Yeah. That's the difference. So it's not telling men or boys, hey, you know, feelings are bad. You ignore your feelings. You can't be sad.

Hey, be in touch with your feelings. You got to feel these things. They tell you a lot about what's going on. They give you signals. You're mad for a reason. You're sad for a reason. You're frustrated for a reason. Oh, oh, it's 7 a.m.

You got to get up and go to work still. You still gotta go do that thing. You still gotta go to the gym. You still gotta take care of your family. That's the message. And I think it's like, it was two extreme of one way. And then I went two extreme in the other way, you know? And I know young men listening right now are probably getting jazzed by hearing this

because nobody says that. Well, I think that's why there was so much appeal to somebody like Andrew Tate is because I think he was unapologetic About that messaging and and he's like anybody else that's on social media is like he knows what gets clicks And so he leaned into that he leaned into the extreme version of that which backfired on him, right? It also got him a lot of negative. It also got someone like you who I think probably agrees with a lot of his messaging to get it clipped out and shared to you. Then you're like, I don't like this guy. I'll tell you, I'll tell you my, listen, from what I've heard

his words, not clips that are taken out of context. And I haven't seen all of this stuff. Okay. But his words, like I can hear what he's saying. And I could say, okay, I see his point. I get where it's coming from. Okay. that's true. But if I met him in person, his bravado, the way he presents himself, the way he talks, I just wouldn't like him. Oh, I just come to cross with that. You think I'm like, oh, I mean, you, but I'm like secure enough in a situation like that where I don't think it's in secure thing. I just, it just would come across to me as like, I don't know, I think someone who puts themselves out in that way. Like, why are you, why are you, I wonder if you would present himself like that around.

I didn't even think that he would have that bravado. I think he would have, maybe it's a media- In contrast to somebody challenging him. That's right. He does not strike me as the guy who's insecure about what a badass he is that he would need to flex on someone like us if he came in the room.

He knows how financially successful. He knows what a badass he is physically. He's always talking about what's money he has. Again, that's leaning into the social media thing. That's why I just explain. Well, that's what I mean. We're judging. It's like, wait, here's a thing. Like, part of why we suck at social media is because we don't lean into those things. Right. No, we've got the toys. We've got the success. We're very masculine. We have a lot of those traits also, but we don't lean into it because it's just not our style to do things like that. To our fault, right?

If we wanted to be better at social media, we would exploit those things. As a media personality, I get it. I'm just saying in real life, if you sat down with someone, and within the first five minutes, he talks about his Bugatti and his private jet. Yeah, so I get that. I do. Yeah, that's why I think you're off on this. I don't think you would.

If you, the way I look at somebody like that, right? And then what I've realized is if somebody aligns with me values morally, spiritually, if we have a lot of those things in common, rarely ever do I meet them and not like them. Regardless if they have a flamboyant personality or they're quiet and shy, if morally we align on a lot of things, nine times

at a 10 when we meet, we end up blacking each other. Yeah, sitting here, I don't mean flamb, we can be loud, you can be quiet. There's nothing wrong with that. I mean, if you're sitting down in front of me in the first five minutes, you're telling me about, I don't know, uh, the car as you drive, how much money do you really think that's how you are? Well, no, this is the media. So I don't know him personally. Yeah, I know. So I'm judging. We're all speculating right now, right? Totally. I just, I, I really disagree that we would invite him in. He would walk in this door and he'd be like, yo, you see my Bugatti outside? I just, I don't, that that would be annoying. Yeah, that would annoy me too. And that would also be a sign of a very insecure man.

He does not strike me as a very insecure man. And that would be obvious. Like men that have to do that, right? Or any sex for this matter. Anybody that has to lead with that. And this is by the way, coming from somebody who was very insecure about these things. Matter of fact, this was something

that I had to work on for a very long part of my life and my journey of success was when I first started to get that, I felt the need to have to say that stuff because I felt so insecure from where I came from. And I'd be in a room of highly educated, successful, intelligent people, and I too had all this financial success.

And so I needed to talk about all my accolades because I was insecure about that. I do approve it right now. I've long, I'm beyond that now in my life. I just don't get that from that person just because that's what they talk about. I mean, it's hard, we're judging, somebody off their videos, you know, all the media.

I mean, who know? I mean, how many times have we met someone in person and it's way different? Yeah. Then the persona of these times. So many times. Yeah, almost every time. Yeah, most of it.

I had to bring this, I have an update on Arlo, and I just wanted to kind of ever sense like that story. I told you guys about him kind of going off trail, finding this poo and then like eating it, get real sick, tripping out. Yeah. Because you thought he might have eaten so much. You thought he might have eaten so much. Sounded like I've been growing in the poo or something. So I have a theory.

Okay. So he's been like probably the most difficult dog I think I've been growing in the poo or something. So I have a theory. But okay. So he's been like, probably the most difficult dog I think I've ever had, right? I mean, hands down. Love, super like lover dog, like he's like very lovable and everything, but like just a huge pain in my ass. And I love this story. Dude, so as of the last few weeks since I even told you guys a story

I mean he's just been like calm Dossile He listens to commands like I've been taking him out. He comes back He doesn't like just take off like he's done that to me a few times And he just comes up and he's just like a totally chill lover. I'm just like Yeah, I think he saw mother Ia and he just comes up and he's just like, totally chill lover. I'm just like, I think he saw Mother Aya. I think he finally saw the way.

It was just like, you know, like maybe, maybe some neural connections happened in there. And he's just like, you got it. You know, it's like, this is how I have to behave. I don't know. I'm like, holding on to that. Like, hope it's now he's all good. How old is he though right now? Yeah, I know, there's that.

Yeah, so he's, what? Four. I think he's five. Okay, yeah, so he's getting an older son. That's about right. Like when they start breaking out of their teenage years, you know what I'm saying, and then, when is all, but he still, the energy is the same as it was.

Well, yeah, he's crazy. Well, I mean, he's still a whimeriner. I mean, at the end of the day, those dogs have got a lot of energy. My buddy who was an ultra marathon runner, love that dog, is a dog with run hundreds of miles with him. You know what I'm saying? That's cool about a dog like that,

but I don't think he's ever, it'll take a long time for him to come, energy down. But I bet that he's moving out of being a teenage boy, and now he's more of a mature. Sure, that's like the logical explanation. Yeah. I'm holding on to mother, right? We're going with your eye-loss, get your hip, I logical explanation. Yeah. Hold on, mother. We're going to the rye law.

Get your if I need to. I'm just saying, hey, something happened immediately after that. Speaking of that stuff, but another study, because you got, you know, I've talked about how I'm going to try doing this ketamine therapy thing. Oh, did you sign up for that? Well, I signed up for it. It hasn't happened yet. I'll keep, I'll give you guys all.

Okay. Okay. You haven't done the other one since then, or have you? No, not specifically, but I think I'm gonna go tonight and then I think I might. Oh, you are, okay. Yeah, so check out this another study that came out on ketamine. So ketamine's FDA approved for the treatment

of anxiety and depression and things like PTSD. Well, they did a study, this is the British Journal of Psychiatry, okay, so researchers from the University of New South Wales and Sydney, Australia found, okay, this is crazy, that more than one in five participants achieved total remission from their symptoms of depression after a month, after a month of biweekly injections. A third of them had their symptoms approved by 50%. Now keep in mind, these are treatment,

this is treatment resistant depression that they did in the study. Meaning these are different. These are different other treatments, previous to this. One of the hardest things to treat is this is treatment resistant depression. That means you've tried SSRIs, you've tried,

other combinations of drugs, you've done talk therapy, you've done, and it just doesn't get better. One month, one third, 50% better, and one fifth, we're cured. That's a weird thing to say about depression. Wild, there's something there that is quite potentially like a breakthrough in medicine that's gonna be like equivalent to like antibiotics

where it just changes the whole landscape of every. Yeah, I can't wait to hear your experience and to compare it to all the other stuff, right? Because I feel like there's a lot of similarities in the research that we're hearing around like the MDMA, the ketamine, the psilocybin, like they all seem to have these profound benefits to therapy. So, be interesting. Along those lines, because I believe very strongly, this is true in almost every case, something that is that powerful also has lots of potential negative power, too. I read a substack, so you guys familiar sub stack where people write. Okay, so a doctor. This was a doctor

Who wrote about his experience with Silas Ivan? Did you see this I think I might have yeah, so he wrote in there Yeah, he suffered from kind of mild moderate depression for a while and you know He had been on treatment had read all the studies. He's a doctor. So he took all the precautions He had microdose with it leading up to larger doses to test this tolerance. Everything seemed okay. Set himself up with some friends. I think one of them was medically trained in this great environment.

Like he knew the studies, he knew what he was doing. He was a some kid going out to party and he'd need some mushrooms. Okay. He ate a less than what they would call a heroic dose. I don't know what the dough, but he ate like a substantial dose, one that you would eat if you were gonna, you know, get treatment or whatever, took the dose.

Full psychedelic dose. Yeah, I think I don't remember what, I don't even think it was three grams, if I'm not mistaken, I don't know what the doses are, I think that's what I read, but anyway, he took it and he had this great experience. And he felt amazing, he started texting family members, doing all the stuff.

And then the following days, he started noticing interesting connections in life. Like, oh, wow, like this, this happened for that reason and that happened for that reason. But then it was this song is giving me this message that I've asked over numbers and things. And then, oh my God, I just saw this food label and I read this thing and that's telling me this. He didn't realize it. His friends started seeing this happen to him. They contacted his therapist or like something's not right.

He went into a full manic episode for three months. Like wait, crazy for three months. And now is starting to, so he wrote and just now starting to recover. So he writes about it and he says, listen, like the potential for danger. He's never been manic before either. He triggered a manic episode in here. I mean, I could see that because of how powerful and profound some of these things that we're reading about, I could just imagine someone who is stuck in this place for so long,

maybe years, maybe decades of their life. And all of a sudden they do this, you know, Silas Ivan trip one time or I'll Oscar trip one time and all of a sudden they make all these crazy connections, then all of a sudden you start thinking everything is connected like that. And there's probably some truth to that. There's got to be some truth.

But then you like overthink that, you know. I think there's got to be some genetic, yeah, proclivity or something. Epic genetic. Yeah, something there, there's got to be some genetic, yeah, proximity or something. Sure. Epic genetic. Yeah. Something there, like that was going to be my thought was like, maybe they can look back in your, your, you know, ancestor, you know, genealogy, whatever, and like find out how if there's any like potential for psychosis or any kind of like issue like that that may be something that could be triggered.

Well, I think those to that point too, that people that get addicted to alcohol, cigarettes, any other drug are just susceptible to getting addicted to that also too. I mean, I think we've seen plenty of examples of this in our space when we first started doing this podcast and we were traveling around and meeting all kinds of new people and you know, the beginning of this podcast there was a lot of like a lot of Iohaska, a lot of Silasive and a lot of DMT trips that were happening in the health and wellness space justifying it as this you know way to be better and more connected and in whatever and pitching it as this like improving oneself and being healthier yet they're chasing this like every fucking weekend and it's just like

okay at one point do you all right what point do you work yeah yeah and what point do you start to admit to yourself that okay I'm getting high yeah I'm trying to get high and have fun and it's and you justify it because it has these positive benefits to it's like well I get high and smoke weed and I laugh and have a good time watching movies and then what point do I justify that I'm doing this all time for that and it's no different you know I've you guys have you guys ever known somebody that's gone into like a fault couldn't that's a scary not panic no I had a client I had a client oh really yeah It was, let me scary. Oh, oh, it's, it's, it's literally crazy. Like you literally believe like this person believed he, well, I'm not gonna say too much just in case they listen

and I don't wanna, you know, make them feel like I'm talking about him, whatever, but this person literally went manic and believed that they were this famous person that passed away years ago. Oh, wow. Thought that's what they were. They had to, they took him to, and he talked to me after he came out of it.

They took, they had to hospitalize him. And he, I said, what was that experience like? Cause he's like telling me now at this point, right? And he goes, I thought everybody in the hospital was in on it. I thought my family was in on it. I thought that everybody wanted to keep me, wanted me to be fooled and not know that I was this person,

who's from the past, this famous person. I'm like, you fully believed it. He goes, oh, I was, he's all, you couldn't convince me otherwise. Like holy shit, that's great. That's scary, that's really scary. That is so wild. Yeah, I knew it.

So one of my friends growing up was the same ages. My cousin that lives with us. She was like four years older than me. And he'd come around all the time. It was like a drummer, cool guy. And I found out later, like he used to do Frisbee golf and all that. And I run into him every now and then played in this pretty famous punk band. And he got into DMT.

And he smoked a little bit too much DMT and he literally went crazy and like is walking the streets and fully homeless now like after like overdosing on DMT. So I was like, I didn't think of like a psychedelic drug having that effect, you know, and so that was a little cautionary tale for me. So, so ketamine is not a psychedelic in that sense and I think that's why it's probably the only one that's

Yeah, because it doesn't safer. I think so. I think they're seeing the studies that there's less of these potential You know effects so it'll be interesting then because if I go crazy. Yeah Because you It's safer is it less maybe potential as power is maybe it's not as powerful as the eye I don't know man man, I'm seeing studies. Well, yeah, crazy. I mean, a lot of them seem to point in the same direction, so it's interesting to me.

You have to wonder too, because a lot of that does is like, open these pathways or open these doors, like how many doors are closed off or pathways close off in your brain as a protective mechanism because- 100% right. And so you open a door that was supposed to stay closed.

You're right. Because your brain already taught it like like that's supposed to stay shut. There is a you need the equipment to be able to deal with it. There's a reason why you don't remember this thing in your past. Yeah. And then all of a sudden you're going to remember it and then go home like you know five hours later and you're supposed to be cool. I mean could I could see imagine like so I told you guys before there's a lot of like dark like I don't remember like I don't, my meaning, like I don't remember,

of like my childhood. And so much of that, I think I've processed, worked through, and like in fact, I come from a place now that I'm very grateful for everything that has happened. But I can't imagine doing therapy like that. And then it opens this thing, like I didn't even know, I was like molested for six years or some shit. Oh, terrible.

You know what I'm saying? Like something like that. And like all of a sudden now I just horrific. Yeah, I'm like, I thought I was so over or some shit. You know what I'm saying? Like something like that. And like all of a sudden, now I just horrific. Yeah, I'm like, I thought I was so over all my shit. Like, isn't it opens that door? Like I could just imagine like, you know what that's happened to people? I bet.

Has it happened where like two, if you delete a memory like that, but it still kind of lives in your body, it does feel it, right? It does. And just to make things even more paranoid everybody, you can actually have false memories You could somebody could lead you right and you could start to create like wait a minute

Maybe that did happen. Yeah, no no That's why I with this testimonies are not early that solid now that we've freaked every Yeah, we went to a negative spiral there. Hey, you know what is the safest thing that's been shown to help make you feel better What getting fit? You ain't gonna open up some Hey, you know what? Is the safest thing that's been shown to help make you feel better? What? Getting fit. Yeah. You ain't gonna open up some people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like sleep fit.

That's it. Go on drown. Easy and you're not gonna open up weird trauma. Go live something. Nutrition. Yeah. Do we have a shout out for today? I have something for you guys.

Okay. Yeah. This is a, the irony though is like this didn't, uh, didn't do as well as I wanted to do for me. So there is an audio book for children called The Rabbit Who Wants to Fall asleep. And my cousin, Stephanie, she used this like on all our kids and she was the most brilliant thing ever. And I tried it on Max. I'll save the story for the next time we get in here about like everything that happened when we did when him and I did this.

But the the story is a meditation for children. So he's telling a story about a rabbit who want who needs to fall asleep and his voice is is very meditated and it's like it like a lot like I'm listening to it. I'm like falling asleep and she's like I would put that on for my kids and they would never get to the end of the story. And it's designed to like kind of pull them in and also be very meditative for them. And then they fall asleep to the story. And I was like, oh, that's a pretty cool little hack. That happens to me when I listen to the Hoobermann podcast.

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Try a kettlebell in the sand. Let's put your car neutral and push it. That's another one. Make sure you're not going to go in the hose. Do you have a dry heart? Do you should do other things I should mention there. I used to do this with clients too, depending on the surface that you're working on. You could put towel on the floor and push the towel. So you have some resistance dragging something or pushing something.

Anything that provides resistance that you have to push or pull is essentially a sled. The difference with a sled is it's made for that reason, so it's more convenient and it's not going to break or ruin your floor or whatever, but it could be anything. You could pull a wagon. You could get like a one of those radio flyer wagons, you could throw, load it up and pull it. I mean, anything that gives you resistance?

You get a rickshaw. Yeah. Let's go down with the rickshaw. You guys try. We just have a day to go to work. We have to hear if you guys don't know. We just it's the most carbon neutral. That's right. Well, around the last day of the planet.

Yeah, I mean, the benefits of pushing and pulling things are it's low skill in the sense that the risk of injuries low in comparison to other actions, that zero, but in comparison to other movements. There's no negative portion of the rat, right? There's no eccentric. It's all concentrics, right? You're pushing, but you don't have to, like when you squat, you have to also lower the weight and squat it up. But this is just pushing. And the eccentric is where you get a lot of the damage and the soreness. It's also we get a lot of muscle growth, but it limits you in terms of recovery. So pushing things or pulling things, you could do it often. And the other benefit, and this

is one that I think is often understated, is I mean, how many lower body exercises do you know that encourage like full extension all the way down to your toes? So it's not just your hips and knees, it's also your ankle and your strengthening your foot and in that in isolation, but rather all connected together. So it teaches everything how to really work and move well together. It's why it's so functional. Yeah. Low damage, low impact. It's one of the best ways to really build up volume

to build muscles. So it's an awesome tool. Next question is from Connor Amrine. What is the ideal amount of sleep for building muscle? Everything says seven and nine hours, but how big of a difference would nine hours of sleep versus seven make? It may be an individual thing here.

Not only is it individual, it's also dependent on what's happening in your life. It's also dependent on the quality. What kind of sleep is it? That's it. I've been in bed for nine hours before and felt dead, tired waking up. And I've also had six hours,

but it was like, I had quality six hours and it felt a lot better. So it's a lot more than just the time that you're in bed. It's like the kind of sleep that is quality. I guess the only way to know is to try one to the other and see how you feel. Yeah, I really feel that putting too much emphasis on the total time is a waste of time to do that, no pun intended. Just because there is such an individual variance on exactly how much is optimal for you. And I think more energy and effort should be into consistently trying to improve how you prepare for bed. I think there's so much room for improvement on everybody in that department, including

myself, of being consistent about when do I stop drinking water? When was my last meal? How soon do I get the lights turned off? When do I actually get into bed by that time? Like, do I decompress and either do some sort of a gratitude thing or read instead of like thinking about stressful things like work, breath work. Like, there are so many practices that you can start to put into your routine to get better quality sleep regardless if it's six hours or nine hours that you should

probably be working towards that. I would put more of my energy into that than going like, oh, check, I got eight hours today, you know, oh, another win. It's like, but yet you went to bed three hours later than normal or you just happen to be super exhausted because you got terrible sleep the week before and that's the only reason yet you went to bed three hours later than normal or you just happen to be super exhausted because you got terrible sleep the week before and that's the only reason why you slept that long. So instead of focusing so much on the length of the sleep,

I would put effort into better quality sleep by how I prepare for sleep on all those things that I listed. It's one of those things where too little or too much is not good. If you're sleeping a lot, there's probably an underlying health issue. If you can't sleep, there's probably, again, an underlying issue. I remember for one of the big ones for me that I just, I mean, relatively recently figured out besides the sleep routine before we went to bed was how much being exposed to the

sun in the day. Probably not. They have huge difference. So it's like, oh, I'm up at 8 a.m. If I get sunlight at 8 a.m. That impacts my sleep when I go to bed at 10 p.m. You would never think because they're so far away from each other, but they have huge. This is, I love for someone to test this out because this was such a big one for me too. It was like, the house that I'm at now too has this nice backyard I can lay out with the sun hits early in the morning. Like if I just go sit out in this little chair

or the sun's hitting and I'm kinda like having my cup of coffee for the first half hour or so of the day, I've just that sun beating down on me. That night, I don't give a shit what I do that day. That night I always get almost the best sleeper. Just from that one little thing, ignore all the other crazy tips that I said and like just I think that makes such a big difference. And I don't know if that's again the individual me who you know is under fluorescent lights all day long is used is sometimes. No, no studies back to some

of them. Yeah, right. So I just. I notice the same thing. I mean, for me individually, I have to cut off eating at seven o'clock. Like, I can't eat past that or it can completely interrupt and destroy like my, my REM sleep, like the deep sleep. I could probably make it through, but it's like, I'll still wake up, you know, feeling tired. You know, it's interesting about this. Do you remember as kids when, you remember this, like, this was a calming comment, right? Where you're like oh man. What is it about going swimming that makes me sleep so good at night? Remember you go to your friends house they have a pool and everybody would go to bed like early that night.

Yeah. I thought it was the swimming. Yeah. It was exhausted. It was we were outside and the sun all day long. And I have with my little ones like if you have little kids with trouble sleeping, you get them out in the sun all day. you a huge difference in max by getting him outside and giving him a half hour to our play early on First in the day makes a tremendous difference on his nap time or his bedtime and how easily he goes down and how hard in Consisting his leaps now part of the question is like know, how much of a muscle building difference or what? Okay, so bad sleep or yeah, let's say poor sleep versus good sleep profound difference in everything not just your ability to build muscle burn body fat it'll affect your cravings your mood your psyche your hormones your inflammation your

immune system it's profound to the point where sleep deprivation will kill you. That's how imperative it is. It's like oxygen, like you absolutely need it. So it's one of those things that's very important. And if you just go to bed and knock yourself out with, I don't know, a substance or you just hit the pillow and close your eyes immediately because you're so exhausted, or you need all these stimulus during the day to keep yourself awake.

I would examine this because this could have huge effects. I'm gonna make the case that it's not as profound, obviously, if you're, I think someone getting bad sleep is like you're going negative, right? And then somebody who gets okay sleep is just neutral, then somebody gets great sleep is positive, and it has its compounding effect So if you continue to string good quality sleep days in like yeah, you're not gonna all of a sudden that week put 10 pounds of muscle on

But you string that together for weeks months and years of doing that it the carryover into your life your energy your Lebedo your ability to build muscle, your ability to recover, like, it's huge. And it compounds because you're streaming those better days of sleep together for so long, that I wish I understood that better when I was younger and it was more resilient and didn't care as much about that because it's like investing. You know, it's like you put a hundred dollars away every day.

It doesn't sound like a lot of money right now, but you do that for months, you do that for years, you do that for decades. Now we're talking about a lot of money. Next question is from MarBare 2307. How do you pick the weight for AMRAPS when starting out? AMRAPS stands for as many reps as possible. Now, before we get into like weight selection, I just for people who aren't super familiar, this doesn't mean an AMRAP is not due as many reps as you can do regardless

of form and technique and just move the bar or whatever. That's not AMRAP is and I wish they changed the name so people will get it. It should be as many Excellent reps as you could do as possible or as many reps as possible with good form. Yeah. So the second your form is off You're done. Mm-hmm. A lot of people mistaken this for keep going until you can't do anymore. No, no Once your squat form is gone overhead press starts to look different your band whatever you're done with the set Okay, so that being said, this could be a really hard thing to pick because most of us, unless you train this way and you practice, you will underestimate,

you know, how many reps you think you could do with a particular way. So you look at a way and be like, I think I could get 10 out. And then you'll get to 10 and be like, maybe I have two more and then you'll get, oh, I think I have two more. So unfortunately, I don't have a better answer than this.

But you pick a weight that is a guess the first time, then your second set or third set typically gets a little bit more accurate. Well, I'm trying to think of what programs we program this where we use traditional exercises. Normally we use this on, like we program it, body weight stuff like push ups, pull ups, like, we program it, body weight stuff, like pushups, pull ups, dips, and strong hesitant there.

And the reason why we typically do it is because we know there's both men and women using the program and when there's a wide range of, how many they can do. How many someone can do. And so instead of us saying like a generic answer of like 15 body weight pushups, that could be really hard for maybe my female client,

but really easy for my guy who can do 80. So we put things in there like as many reps as possible. So normally it's like a program like this, like you're going to do push ups, two sets, as many reps as possible. So that's me, the first set I could rep out, say 70 of them in the second set I could rep out 50. That same another person could get 10 the first time I could rep out, say 70 of them, and the second set I could rep out 50. That same, another person could get 10 the first time, and then five, and they're both doing as many reps

as possible because it's a bodyweight movement like that. And so, typically that's how we program it. I rarely ever program like a bicep curl for as many reps as possible, or a bench press for as many reps as possible. I just don't, try and think where we program that where it wouldn't be a bodyweight type of movement and it wouldn't be like that.

Do you know off the top of your head, Doug? I don't. I think it is mainly bodyweight type. Yeah, I think it's strong. We have some like, it must be a baby. Because you're saying choose a weight. I'm like, where are we choosing?

It's strong. I think we did some am rap sets in split. I think laterals and stuff like that. If I'm not mistaken. It's not a lot. Run the rack. I know we did that in PET. Yeah. I wish we had a little more clarity on the exercise because I think that would also determine

how I would give this person advice on how to choose a weight. I guess if you were choosing something like lateral raises or a traditional exercise, I would try and pick a weight that I think I'm going to get 12 or 15 reps. That's what I would probably over 10. So if I was doing, if I was doing an am I would probably pick a weight for like the types of exercise we were just saying, like a lateral raise, a bench press, even if you were to do bicep curl, I'd pick a weight that I think I should fall right around 10 to 15. And I'm not really worried if it's north or south of that, but that's kind of how I'm

trying to gauge the weight. Yeah, really we should rebrand this amgrap. So what's that? As many good reps as possible. Oh, yeah. I like the hand. Next question is from depraved habitual self-plasuring. Wow. You know what this is turning into?

You know, there's like viral videos of the people pranking like the Peloton instructors. By putting funny names and getting them to like, you know, get them like the playing crash or the guy got fired and is like, bang ding, ow. Oh yeah, yeah. Some things. Some things.

Yeah. I think Doug's starting to. And there's some TV. Yeah. I think Doug's certain to get trolled a little bit. I think so too. But this is Justin, I know. I know. I always handle a little. I do this. So what's the best way to use a song?

The sauna. The best way. Inside of it. That's probably the best way to do it. Don't sit outside of it. Yeah, don't sit on top of it. Won't work that way. Probably I could tell you the best way not to use it,

or should I say the worst way to use it, it was probably before bed. They show that it can interrupt sleep if you raise your core body temperature right before you go to bed. So it probably not a good idea to do it too close to bed. Post workout, I believe to be the best. I think it with the improved blood flow,

the growth hormone release. So I'll work out when I have an opportunity, when I have a chance, I'll work out, not eat, right? So I have no meal yet, go in, do 20 minutes. And I noticed it's like a, it's a little bit of an added stress, but I do get some better adaptation results from doing it.

But other than that, I don't think it makes that big of a difference. When you look at the data aside from before bed, I really use it or using it at all, because there's data that supports using it, using it is incredibly beneficial. Oh, no, yeah, I guess I'm thinking just time. I think I'm just thinking of the time.

Well, so I think what's more important, and I think Huberman, touch it on this whole time, right? Yeah, total time. Like he's got two clips you know, clips on one on cold plunge, one on sauna. Like to reap the most benefits, if you do a minimum of, I can't remember what the sauna time

is a week and how much the cold plunge is. I wanna say it's like 40 minutes, maybe Andrew can look this up for me, what Huberman says on this, I believe it's 40 to 60 minutes of heat in the week and like 20 minutes of cold, something like that. Or 15 or 15. Somewhere in that range.

I know there was a study that was done on all cause mortality and in the study, now of course I'm sure this could get extreme, but in the study, the more the better. So people who did it, four days a week, I better was better, all cause mortality and people who did it, three days a week and they got better than people who who did it four days a week, I better was better, all caused mortality in people who did it three days a week and they got better than people who did it two days a week. That being said, this is a, it is a stress on the body in the sense that you, you'll see if you ever use

a sauna, you'll notice that you can go longer and withstand more, the more the more, the more you're with it. Exercise mimic her. Some what? Some what? Just because it raises the body temperature and the core temperature. The mistake, and by the way though, like I mean, Doug has been told not to do it, right? So depending on what other stresses

that you have going on in your life, it may not necessarily, you gotta remember all these things. Cold plunge, sauna, exercise, training, cardiovascular stuff, what you're doing, sprints and stuff. All of these things are all stressors. And depending on what else you have going on in your life, you know, all just because it has studies attached to it to show its benefits may not necessarily always be beneficial.

But I think there's a pretty generic, his smallest dose that gives you the biggest bang is what I was looking for. Did you find it for me, Andrew or no? Yeah. It depends on what your your goal is here, but the smallest amount in the sauna, specifically, is five to 20 minutes. If you're looking for overall cardiovascular health, general health, total one hour per week, split into two or three sessions. And if you're looking for growth hormone release, multiple sessions of 30 minutes each,

with cooldown periods in between. So one hour a week, one hour a week on that and then I think the one then cold. You know, don't like about that though. It's like exercise. It's such an individual very. Yeah, yeah. You know, like I know this for myself. If I overdo the song, it zaps me. Yeah. My energy's down. I feel like crap. So, so okay, yes, where I see it is is total time in one session like if you did let's say 60 minutes Just like exercise. Yeah, if you did 60 minutes in one week I can really like I'll get ahead a sometimes if I go for a full hour straight But if I did 10 minutes every day not bad at all. Yeah, I think I think the way that someone should approach it is

To start slow if you feel fatigued from it, you probably overdid it. So start slow and then slowly, like with exercise ramp up from there and then go up to a dose that is reasonable for you to sustain. Because like anything, I believe consistency is probably more important than intensity or all that stuff. Oh, that's right. And hydrate. Yeah, I agree. Someone might be like, oh, six days a week is better, but I can only do three. It's a waste of time, type of deal.

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